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Meeting Minutes
Thursday, May 23, 2019
9:00 AM
Planning and Zoning
City Hall
City Commission
Francis Suarez, Mayor
Ken Russell, Chair
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Vice Chair
Joe Carollo, Commissioner, District Three
Manolo Reyes, Commissioner, District Four
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner, District Five
Emilio T. Gonzalez, City Manager
Victoria Mendez, City Attorney
Todd B. Hannon, City Clerk
City Commission Meeting Minutes May 23, 2019
9:00 AM INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Present: Chair Russell, Vice Chair Gort, Commissioner Carollo, Commissioner Reyes and
Commissioner Hardemon.
On the 23rd day of May, 2019, the City Commission of the City of Miami, Florida, met at its
regular meeting place in City Hall, 3500 Pan American Drive, Miami, Florida, in regular
session. The Commission Meeting was called to order by Chair Russell at 9:01 a.m., recessed
at 2:16 p.m., reconvened at 4:18 p.m., and adjourned at 5:04 p.m.
Note for the Record: Vice Chair Gort entered the Commission chambers at 9:02 a.m.,
Commissioner Hardemon entered the Commission chambers at 9:20 a.m., and Commissioner
Carollo entered the Commission chambers at 9:35 a.m.
ALSO PRESENT.
Emilio T. Gonzalez, Ph.D., City Manager
Victoria Mendez, City Attorney
Todd B. Hannon, City Clerk
Chair Russell: (INAUDIBLE), everyone. Welcome to the May 23, 2019 meeting of the
City of Miami City Commission in these historic chambers. The members of the City
Commission are Joe Carollo, Manolo Reyes, Keon Hardemon; Wifredo "Willy" Gort,
the Vice Chair; and me, Ken Russell, the Chairman. Also on the dais are Emilio T.
Gonzalez, the City Manager; Victoria Mendez, the City Attorney; and Todd Hannon,
the City Clerk. The meeting will be opened with a prayer by Commissioner Reyes, led
by the pledge of -- and the pledge of allegiance, led by myself. Thank you. All rise,
please.
Commissioner Reyes: Please bow our heads.
(Invocation and pledge of allegiance delivered)
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning, Mr. Vice Chair.
PART A - NON -PLANNING AND ZONING ITEM(S)
PR - PRESENTATIONS AND PROCLAMATIONS
PRA PROTOCOL ITEM
5909
Honoree
Presenter
Protocol Item
Safe Boating Week
Mayor Suarez and Commissioner Gort
Proclamation
Miami Bayside Foundation
Mayor Suarez
Proclamation
A Safe Haven for Newborns
Mayor Suarez and Commissioner Russell
Proclamation
Julia Dawson
Mayor Suarez
Salute
RESULT: PRESENTED
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1) Mayor Suarez and Commissioners presented a Proclamation to pay tribute and bring
attention to important life-saving skills and to promote Safe Boating Week. Safe
Boating Week strives to provide tips for recreational boaters to ensure that they have a
safe and fun experience on the water. On average, 650 people pass away each year in
boating -related accidents in the United States. Often, boating -related accidents occur
due to a human error, instead of equipment failure or environmental factors. Actions,
such as wearing a life jacket, significantly increases the chances of surviving a boating
accident. The City of Miami encourages its residents to safely enjoy boating -related
activities throughout the year. The Elected Leadership paused in their deliberations of
governance and thereby, proclaimed Thursday, May 23, 2019 as "Safe Boating Week"
in the City ofMiami.
2) Mayor Suarez and Commissioners joined the Miami Bayside Foundation to pay tribute
to forty-one (41) students commending them for their dedication and commitment to
education. The students were recognized with Certificates of Merit for their
outstanding performance in the successful completion of the academic programs in
their respective schools. Elected Officials paused in their deliberations to honor their
talents and enthusiasm for academic excellence, and wished them success in their
college studies.
3) Mayor Suarez and Chair Russell presented a Proclamation to Safe Haven for
Newborns. Safe Haven for Newborns was created by the Gloria M. Silveiro
Foundation, a not profit organization for newborns to address tragic cases of infant
abandonment that occur across the United States. Safe Haven for Newborns provides a
safe and legal solution to the quandary of parents of such children, saving lives of
infants in danger of abandonment. The organization provides counseling and works
with a variety of professionals to address the conditions and situations leading to
potentially tragic pregnancies and births, contributing to a creative solution for this
significant social problem. Safe Haven for Newborns affirms that every life is precious
and worthy of a promising future. Safe Haven for Newborns has performed a unique
service to the communities of this City and provides vital leadership for others in our
society who seek a solution to the tragedy of infant abandonment. The Elected
Leadership paused in their deliberations of governance and thereby, proclaimed
Thursday, May 23, 2019 as "Safe Haven for Newborns" in the City ofMiami.
4) Mayor Suarez recognized Ms. Julia Dawson. Ms. Dawson has participated in the Civil
Investigative Panel (CIP) and promoted civil rights in Miami since 2001. Ms. Dawson
worked with The Coalition, a group of organizations that organized and planned for
the first Charter Amendment in 2001 requiring the City of Miami to have a Civilian
Oversight board. She further participated in the subsequent amendments to the Charter
and Ordinance that occurred in 2016. Furthermore, she has attended the majority of
the meetings and provided valuable feedback to the staff and members of the panel.
The Elected Leadership paused in their deliberations of governance to honor Ms.
Dawson and thank her for contributions to the City ofMiami.
Chair Russell: We'll now make the presentations and proclamations.
(Presentations and proclamations made)
Later...
Chair Russell: We're going to give further proclamations, and recognize the Bayside
Foundation. I'll hand the mike to the Mayor, please. Good morning, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Francis Suarez: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
(Presentations and proclamations made)
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AM - APPROVING THE MINUTES OF THE FOLLOWING MEETINGS:
AM.1 City Commission - Planning and Zoning - Mar 28, 2019 9:00 AM
ORDER OF THE DAY
MOTION TO:
Approve
RESULT:
APPROVED
MOVER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissic
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Chair Russell: Moving back to the regular agenda. All right. We have the minutes
of the Planning and Zoning March 28 meeting, 2019. Can I get a motion on that,
please --
Commissioner Hardemon: So moved.
Chair Russell: --AM]?
Vice Chair Gort: Second.
Chair Russell: There's been a motion; seconded by Commissioner -- Vice
Chairman. All in favor, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes.
Chair Russell: We have a couple proclamations left, but I'd like for the Mayor to be
present for that, as he's presenting those, so while we wait for that, I'll have the City
Attorney go ahead and read the procedures for the meeting.
Barnaby Min (Deputy City Attorney): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Any person who
is a lobbyist, including all paid persons or firms retained by a principal to advocate
for a particular decision by the City Commission, must register with the City Clerk
and comply with related City requirements for lobbyists before appearing before
the City Commission. A person may not lobby a City official, board member, or
staff member until registering. A copy of the Code section about lobbyists is
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a presentation, formal request or petition to the City Commission concerning real
property must make the disclosures required by the City Code in writing. A copy of
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The material for each item on the agenda is available during business hours at the
City Clerk's Office, and online 24 hours a day at miamigov.com. Any person may
be heard by the City Commission through the Chair for not more than two minutes
on any proposition before the City Commission, unless modified by the Chair. If
the proposition is being continued or rescheduled, the opportunity to be heard may
be at such later date before the City Commission takes action on such proposition.
The Chairman will advise the public when the public may have the opportunity to
address the City Commission during the public comment period, or at any other
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must first state his or her name, his or her address, and what item will be spoken
about. A copy of the agenda item titles will be available at the City Clerk's Office
and at the podium for your ease of reference. Anyone wishing to appeal any
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the conclusion of the deliberation of the agenda item being considered at noon. The
meeting will end either at the conclusion of the deliberation of the agenda item
being considered at 10 p.m., or at the conclusion of the regularly scheduled agenda,
whichever occurs first. Please note, Commissioners have generally been briefed by
City staff and the City Attorney on items on the agenda today. Mr. Chairman, do
you want the Administration to announce which items are being --?
Chair Russell: Not at this point.
Later...
Commissioner Reyes: Mr. Chair, I have to leave, because --
Chair Russell: We're all hungry. We're going to lunch.
Commissioner Reyes: -- I already missed one plane; I don't want to --
Chair Russell: I apologize for that.
Commissioner Carollo: The only request that I make, since we're going to be short
Commissioners -- you're going to be back when, or are you?
Chair Russell: I'm bringing us back --
Commissioner Carollo: Commissioner Gort?
Vice Chair Gort: (UNINTELLIGIBLE). No.
Chair Russell: Yeah.
Vice Chair Gort: I'll be back. I don't have to go anywhere.
Commissioner Carollo: Okay. Well --
Chair Russell: I'm bringing us back at 4 o'clock.
Vice Chair Gort: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) killed my plans.
Commissioner Reyes: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) plans?
Commissioner Carollo: I won't be able to get back until probably 5:30 or so.
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Chair Russell: Are there any items you'd like us to defer until
(UNINTELLIGIBLE) ?
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah, I -- well --
Chair Russell: Not defer; table.
Commissioner Carollo: -- we're short -- Commissioner Reyes, before you go, you
could bring me a souvenir wherever you're going, since the Mayor didn't bring me
one.
Commissioner Reyes: I'm going (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Commissioner Carollo: No. Bring me one of those little Statue of Liberties.
Commissioner Reyes: I'm going to bring you a Statue of Liberty.
Commissioner Carollo: The new Statue of Liberty.
Commissioner Reyes: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Commissioner Carollo: I'd like to defer some items.
Chair Russell: We haven't actually even done the order of the day yet; we're taking
that up at 4 p.m.
Commissioner Reyes: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: We're taking that up at 4 p.m. Which items would you like
deferred?
Commissioner Carollo: Well, the --14 -- excuse me; we did 14.
Chair Russell: Yes.
Commissioner Carollo: 13, which is the Melreese issue that was there; 9, 10 --
RE. 9, RE. 10, RE. 13, RE. 6 --
Chair Russell: No, we won't be able to bring them back (UNINTELLIGIBLE) this
afternoon.
Commissioner Carollo: -- FR first reading) -- DL2, D3 [sic], FR.2. So if there
could be a motion deferring these until we have a full Commission?
Chair Russell: All right. So even if you do come back at 5, we won't be able to
take them up.
Commissioner Carollo: Well, we won't have a full Commission then.
Chair Russell: Commissioner Reyes has expressly told me which ones he wants
deferred while he's not here. He doesn't need to be present for any of the others.
Commissioner Carollo: Okay. Well --but we do need a full Commission for some
of these, frankly, and there's nothing here that can't wait in any of these.
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Chair Russell: All right. There's been a motion to defer RE. 6, RE. 9, RE. 10, RE. 13,
FR.2 -- that's my item; I'd like to see it go through today. I don't see a problem
with it.
Commissioner Carollo: Well, I do, because it's very complicated, and I need to go
through it and make sure that it's understood well, and some additional things that
might be needed there.
Chair Russell: Fair enough. It does affect a property in your district, as well, so
fair enough. DI --
Commissioner Carollo: I don't know what it affects; that's why I'm trying to find
out.
Chair Russell: Understood. Then DI.2, as well --
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Chair Russell: -- and D3.1.
Commissioner Carollo: Right.
Chair Russell: Is there a second? Second by Commissioner Hardemon. All in
favor, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes.
Todd B. Hannon (City Clerk): And it's deferred to the June 13 meeting --
Chair Russell: Just --
Mr. Hannon: -- all those items?
Chair Russell: Yeah, the next --
Mr. Hannon: June 13, that's the next City Commission meeting.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right, right.
Chair Russell: Two weeks. Yes, please. All right.
Commissioner Carollo: The --I should be back for some of these that -- there 's one
in my district, but it's PZ (Planning and Zoning); we can't do that until we go to
PZ, so we can't defer it, butt should be back for all that --
Chair Russell: Got it. All right.
Commissioner Carollo: --and PZ.
Chair Russell: We're meeting back here at 4 p.m.
Mr. Hannon: And then, Chair, just for the record, Commissioner Reyes wanted to
be a co-sponsor of EM. 1.
Chair Russell: Good.
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Commissioner Carollo: What's that?
Chair Russell: The one we just passed.
Commissioner Carollo: Oh, okay.
Chair Russell: We'll see you all back at 4 p.m. Thankyou very much.
Commissioner Carollo: Thank you. I'll be back at about 5:30, no later than 6.
Chair Russell. Correct.
Commissioner Carollo: Okay.
Later...
Chair Russell: We'll take up first the order of the day for the regular agenda, and
we'll dispense with the regular agenda. I'll also take up the order of the day right
afterwards, for the Planning and Zoning agenda, so we know what we're dealing
with, and we don't waste any more of anyone's time. Mr. Manager.
Emilio T. Gonzalez (City Manager): Thank you.
Chair Russell: Which items would you like to defer, continue, or withdraw?
Mr. Gonzalez: Yes, sir. Good afternoon. To be withdrawn, PH.], bid waiver for
Formula I World Championship. That's PHI to be withdrawn. RE.], to be
withdrawn; addition of Bicon commercial solid waste franchise agreement. And to
be deferred, RE.8, the Julio Dotel settlement. Those are the only three. And I
believe, sir --
Chair Russell: To what date?
Mr. Gonzalez:
-- I believe you deferred some from the dais before lunch.
Chair Russell:
Correct. For RE.8, what date would you like to defer to?
Mr. Gonzalez:
Next meeting, sir.
Chair Russell:
Two weeks from now.
Mr. Gonzalez:
Yes, sir.
Chair Russell:
Okay. Todd?
Vice Chair Gort: The other referrals [sic]?
Chair Russell:
Thank you. So that is --
Vice Chair Gort: The other ones. The other deferrals.
Chair Russell:
The other ones, we already did.
Vice Chair Gort: Defer.
Mr. Gonzalez:
They already --
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Vice Chair Gort: Yeah, but I don't have them; sorry.
Chair Russell: Okay. So I'll let you know just now; or, Todd, if you 'd like to?
Todd B. Hannon (City Clerk): Yes, sir. So before we recessed for lunch, Items
RE. 6, 10, 9, 13, FR. 2, DL 2, and D3.1 were deferred to June 13.
Vice Chair Gort: Just before D1.2, which one? You have RE -- the last, I have 13.
After that, what came?
Mr. Gonzalez: FR.2, sir.
Vice Chair Gort: FR.2, okay.
Chair Russell: Yes. That was my ordinance, reinstating the Interim Parking
Program. We're going to defer that. That was two weeks, as well, right? Yeah.
Mr. Hannon: And, Chair, if-[ may, as part of the order of the day, the person who's
here for their personal appearance would like to have it deferred to June 13.
Chair Russell: Perfect. We'll add that one on, please.
Mr. Hannon: And Commissioner Carollo asked that we wait on -- to address RE. 17
until he got back.
Chair Russell: So RE. 17 we'll table; that doesn't need an action at the moment.
Mr. Hannon: Correct.
Chair Russell: Gentlemen, are there any items you would like to see withdrawn,
deferred, or continued from the regular agenda; not the Planning and Zoning?
Good? Is there a motion then to defer PA. 1, withdraw PH -- PA. 1, withdraw PH. 1,
withdraw RE. 1, defer RE.8 to the next meeting? And I believe that's it.
Vice Chair Gort: Move it.
Chair Russell: Its been moved by Commissioner Gort; seconded by the Chair. Is
there any further discussion? Hearing none, all in favor, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: All opposed? Motion passes.
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PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR REGULAR ITEM(S)
Chair Russell: Okay.
Vice Chair Gort: I'd like to move the --
Commissioner Hardemon: We haven't done --
Chair Russell: Now --
Commissioner Hardemon: --public comment yet.
Chair Russell: Yes, and that's what we're about to do here. For all remaining
items on the regular agenda, I'm going to open up public comments. We're not
doing them one at a time. The reason we did it in the morning was because of the
veto; we got backed up, and then we were trying to get in one or two items before
lunch, since we took public comment on those separately. But right now I'd like to
open up the public comment that should have normally happened at 9 a.m., for all
the remaining items on the regular agenda, the non -PZ (Planning and Zoning)
agenda, and that is the CA (consent agenda) agenda, the PH (public hearing), the
REs (resolutions), the -- and the second and first reading ordinances. So if there's
anyone here to speak on any of the items remaining on the regular agenda, please
approach the lectern. Nobody? All right. So we will close public comment, and
then let's take up the entire CA agenda.
Commissioner Hardemon: We have one young lady.
Emilio T. Gonzalez (City Manager): Mr. Chairman, we have one.
Chair Russell: Hello. Oh, you're very welcome. I'm sorry; I didn't see you.
Luisana Hung Salazar: I'm sorry. I just wanted to -- this is my first time here;
very impressed. Thank you for the job that you all take on behalf of all the
citizens.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Salazar: Thank you. I just wanted to speak on behalf of the resolution, PH.4,
which is being led by Commissioner Gort. Thank you so much. I represent
Residential Plaza. It's an assisted living facility. We serve 350 low-income older
adults in the community. And there is a resolution being voted on providing some
funds to be able to install a generator that will allow us to provide a safe
environment in emergency situations. Thank you so much; this is much needed,
and these are the most vulnerable in our community, so we appreciate your efforts
to keep them safe. Thank you.
Commissioner Hardemon: Tell us your name.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Ms. Salazar: Thankyou, Commissioner.
Commissioner Hardemon: Tell us your name.
Todd B. Hannon (City Clerk): Chair, I'm sorry; the speaker's name?
Ms. Salazar: Oh, I'm sorry. Luisana Hung Salazar.
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Chair Russell: Thank you, Luisana.
Ms. Salazar: Thank you.
Chair Russell: Is there anyone else here who'd like to address the dais and the
public regarding the morning's agenda? Seeing none, I will now close public
comment on the regular agenda.
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MV - MAYORAL VETOES
MV.1
RESOLUTION
5653
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Department of
ATTACHMENT(S), GRANTING THE APPEAL FILED BY
Planning
MICHAEL SPRING, SENIOR ADVISOR, OFFICE OF THE
MAYOR, DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT OF CULTURAL
AFFAIRS, MIAMI-DADE COUNTY ("APPELLANT") AND
REVERSING THE DECISION OF THE MIAMI HISTORIC AND
ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION BOARD'S DENIAL,
PURSUANT TO SEC. 23-6.2(B)(4) OF THE CODE OF THE
CITY OF MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS AMENDED, OF THE
APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL CERTIFICATE OF
APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE RESTORATION OF AN
EXISTING STRUCTURE AND NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A
THREE HUNDRED (300) SEAT THEATER, A PARKING
STRUCTURE, AND EXTERIOR SPACES WITH
LANDSCAPING TO A PROPERTY LOCATED AT
APPROXIMATELY 3500 MAIN HIGHWAY, MIAMI, FLORIDA,
33133, A LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC SITE KNOWN
AS COCONUT GROVE PLAYHOUSE WITH THE FOLIO
NUMBER 0141210450140.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0169
Note for the Record. A motion was made by Commissioner Carollo, seconded by
Commissioner Reyes, to override the mayoral veto, which FAILED by the following
vote: AYES: Commissioners Carollo and Reyes; NOES: Chair Russell, Vice Chair
Gort and Commissioner Hardemon. As a result, the mayoral veto is deemed
sustained.
Note for the Record. For directive referencing ME 1, please see item NA. 1.
Chair Russell: All right, we'll now begin the regular meeting. We're going to wait a
minute, just to clear the room. While we're waiting, I'd like to recognize Miami -Dade
County Mayor Carlos Gimenez; thanks for joining us. You're very welcome. We'll
now begin the regular meeting. Order, please. Everyone find your seats. Mr. Clerk,
are there any mayoral vetoes?
Todd B. Hannon (City Clerk): Good morning, Chair. Yes, there is one mayoral veto
to be considered by the City Commission. Mayor Suarez has vetoed Resolution R-19-
0169 that was passed at the May 8, 2019 special City Commission meeting.
Resolution R-19-0169 pertains to a resolution of the Miami City Commission, with
attachments, granting the appeal filed by Michael Spring, Senior Advisor, Office of
the Mayor, Director, Department of Cultural Affairs, Miami -Dade County, Appellant,
and reversing the decision of the Miami Historic and Environmental Preservation
Board's denial, pursuant to Section 23-6.2(b)(4) of the Code of the City of Miami,
Florida, as amended, of the application for a special Certificate of Appropriateness
for the restoration of an existing structure, and new construction of a 300 -seat
theater, a parking structure, and exterior spaces with landscaping to a property
located at approximately 3500 Main Highway, Miami, Florida 33133; a locally -
designated historic site known as Coconut Grove Playhouse, with the Folio Number
0141210450140. Thankyou, Chair.
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Chair Russell: Thank you very much, Mr. City Clerk. We have procedures to deal
with the mayoral veto, and it does involve public comment, with or without a motion
on the veto. So what we will do at this point is open the floor for public comment.
Anyone who is here who would like to speak on the veto is welcome to approach
either of the lecterns. You'll have two minutes to speak. We ask that you honor those
two minutes for the efficiency of this meeting. You'll hear a little "beep" at the 30 -
second point. We ask you to start wrapping it up at that point. Very important to
note, we are potentially making a motion with regard to a Mayor's veto of an appeal
in a quasi-judicial issue with regard to a HEP (Historic and Environmental
Preservation) Board decision. What that means is, if an appeal is filed on this veto or
on that appeal to a higher court, what we discuss today is very important. We are not
looking here to introduce new evidence into the appeal or the HEP Board decision.
We're not looking to re -litigate the issue. If you've been here before and spoken on
this issue, your comments are on the record. You do not need to repeat yourself. You
are welcome here as a member of the public to use your two minutes, but that sort of
information won't sway the decision of this board one way or the other; it's on the
record, and we have been through that. If there is new information that you feel will
sway this board, it's important to note that that is not exactly what we are deciding on
today. The appeal happened in a silo. The evidence that was given during that
appeal is what the appeal was -- what the motion was made on that appeal and the
decision of this board, and the veto was made based on that motion and that decision.
So new information today is not what we're looking to consider in whether or not to
weigh the veto of the Mayor, but you're all welcome to your two minutes. You've very
welcome here. This is your house; and so, we are here to listen. That being said, I'll
start over here and --
Mr. Hannon: Chair --
Chair Russell: I'm sorry, Mr. --
Mr. Hannon: -- my apologies. I just need to administer the oath before we begin
public comment.
Chair Russell: Okay.
Mr. Hannon: Thank you. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. If you will be
speaking on the mayoral veto item -- only on the mayoral veto item -- may I please
have you stand and raise your right hand?
(The City Clerk administered oath required under City Code Section 62-1 to those
persons giving testimony.)
Mr. Hannon: Thank you, Chair.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Thomas Johnson: Good morning. Thank you. My name's Thomas Johnson, and it's
an honor to speak in front of you. I am here to support the Mayor's veto, and the
reason is, I've lived in Miami since 1992. I used to go to Coconut Grove back in the
early '90s, when it was a very vibrant place, and I don't see that anymore. I think
what the Commission needs to consider is the vision for what you want Miami to be in
the future. I think a fully restored playhouse would be a very special, unique thing for
the City of Miami. I think it would attract large crowds if it was run properly, as in
the past, when you had performers, such as Denzel Washington, Kathleen Turner,
Lisa Minelli acting there. I think Miami is ready for this. Miami has embraced the
arts; you can see by the success of Art Basel, and so forth, that Miami can
successfully do this. Other cities have done this. I used to live in Phoenix, Arizona.
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They have a large theater there called the Orpheum, which is actually 1,300 seats that
was built in the 1920s, and is very successful. I see with the County's plan that there's
going to be just more retail space and a small theater. I think the small theater is a
great idea. I like the alternative plan, the Coconut Grove Playhouse Foundation plan
that actually restores the whole theater, and also has a smaller theater for local
productions. I've been to Joseph Adler's productions, and they're excellent. So a
couple things I've read is, there is no alternative plan, but if you go to the Coconut
Grove Playhouse Foundation website, there's a very detailed alternative plan. Also,
I've heard that there's no funding for the restoration of the playhouse, but I don't think
that's true. I think -- I voted in the 2004 referendum to restore the Coconut Grove
Playhouse, and the $20 million of taxpayer money --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Mr. Johnson: --was to go to that. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Could we hold on the demonstratives until the
speaker that's presenting those items is up, please? Yeah, because they -- the
audience can't see; and so, we'll bring it -- we're alternating lec -- sorry. We're just
alternating lecterns and then what we'll --it won't eat up your time. We'll let you set
up so that it doesn't eat up any of your time at all.
Commissioner Reyes: Sir?
Chair Russell: Yes.
Commissioner Reyes: Just -- excuse me. This is the first time that I am before a veto
or whatever. Are we going to deal with the merits of the development that -- of the
project of the County, or are we going to deal with the merit of the veto? Because
what I do understand, we are -- what we are doing here is, either we're going to either
override or do nothing, or accept the mayoral veto that has to solely do with the
appeal by the County, and that the -- I mean, the -- what was granted was the appeal
on the auditorium site of the playhouse; that it was not considered historic, because of
the conditions that -- or whatever -- and you voted, because you thought that it had
some historic aspects. But I'm not -- I don't want to cut anybody short, but what I
don't want is that what I'm hearing is the same thing that I heard before.
Chair Russell: Correct.
Commissioner Reyes: And that is not what we're treating here; it is my opinion. My
opinion is the veto, based on that the Mayor considers historic the auditorium site, or
is it an historic or not; if we consider it historic or not. That's it.
Chair Russell: Yes. So the procedure for today --a motion can be placed at anytime,
and if there's a second, we take it up. But regardless of the motion or not, we do have
to take up public comment, so I just need to --
Commissioner Reyes: Yes, yes, but what I'm saying is that can we limit it to, you see,
that area, that part?
Chair Russell: Yes. And that's what my guidance was --
Commissioner Reyes: Yes.
Chair Russell: -- to the public; that we're not re -litigating the issue; that we're not
going through all the facts of the issue, but the public does have their two minutes to
speak.
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Commissioner Reyes: Yes, I know they could --
Chair Russell: Yeah.
Commissioner Reyes: -- have their two minutes, but what I want to know is if we have
to take into consideration the --
Chair Russell: No.
Commissioner Reyes: -- what they have said before.
Chair Russell: What our decision is to be based on today is the facts of the appeal as
they were --
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Chair Russell: -- placed before us.
Commissioner Reyes: It's -- only a question.
Chair Russell: Yes.
Commissioner Reyes: Is it historic or not? That's it.
Chair Russell: Yes. Thank you. Next speaker, please.
Victoria Mendez (City Attorney): And we would like to reiterate, based on
Commissioner Reyes' information, everyone, please limit it to the veto. Obviously,
the County will have a lot more leeway, Mr. Mayor. Thankyou -- because they're the
applicant. So everyone, please; if not, you will be cut off if it's not limited to the veto,
okay? Thank you.
John Nordt: Hi. I'd like to thank the Commissioners for their work and their
diligence on going forward. I'd like to support the veto. My name is John Nordt,
3580 Royal Palm, Coconut Grove, my whole life. Remember, today, May is National
Preservation Month, so we have a little reverence for that. Again, per Commissioner
Reyes' comment, National Register of Historic Places, historically significant
architectural elements intact, and the facgade is not a separate building. The County
plan violates the Secretary of Interior's Guidelines for Historic Properties, and I will
give supplementary information to the desk over there when we're done. $2 million in
special category grants would not be available if it is -- reaches demise, and other
local State or Federal historic funds and tax credits are not available for construction
if it meets its demise. I took the telephone survey on Poll I that has not been talked
about before to renovate a newly restored language. There was nothing mentioned
about demolishment. I took this two years ago. I knew more about the playhouse
than the person asking me the question. The way it was phrased was an impossible
answer. I would like to bring attention to social media, which has done 422
respondents, and they had a significant 96 percent to restore the playhouse. So it
depends on how you split the poll. I would like to mention one more thing. In today's
paper, open mike, Miami Herald, Arnold Middleman writes a letter to the editor,
recalling Herman Welk and Carnival at the playhouse. Herman Welk just died at
102. And Arnold Middleman talks about the playhouse in this letter to the editor
today in the Herald. It's a significant cultural icon for Coconut Grove. I'm going to
drop this information, which is supplementary information for all the comments that
are going to be made, and thank you very much.
Chair Russell: Sorry, we're alternating. Mr. Mayor.
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Miami -Dade County Mayor Carlos Gimenez: Yeah. I want to make sure that my IT
(information technology) guy put up some images and --
Chair Russell: Thank you. Take your time. We'll get the --I believe they want to put
up some --
Mayor Gimenez: Don't worry about the easels. The images are on -- the images can
be broadcast. Don't worry about the easels.
Chair Russell: All right. So then, let's get the easels down so the public can see.
Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Gimenez: And I shouldn't be much longer than two, maybe three minutes.
Okay. All right. So my name is Carlos Gimenez. I'm the Mayor of Miami -Dade
County, 111 Northwest 1st Street, Miami, Florida. Here we go again. After more
than 30 public meetings about the playhouse, and years of hard work, I urge you to
override Mayor Suarez' veto of your support for the County plan and the Coconut
Grove Playhouse Project. Our application for Certificate of Appropriateness and our
testimony established a compelling record for the approval of our project; not going
to repeat all that today. Yesterday, I sent you a letter, highlighting the errors and the
fatal flaws in the City Mayor's veto statement, both legally and factually. Those
reasons do not justify this veto, and I want to place that letter into the record. But just
for a moment, let's use our eyes and common sense. Our project restores the historic
front building -- not a fagade -- the building in its entirety. This is the very building
that Mayor Suarez used as a backdrop for his veto announcement to suggest that we
were demolishing the playhouse. That's what it will be restored to. That's the iconic
structure that we all consider to be the playhouse. I believe that's even the structure
that the gentleman had on his T-shirt. Nothing could be further of the truth that we're
going to demolish that building. We're actually going to restore it back to its 1927
glory. We are carefully restoring that iconic architecture to 1927. Now, this is what
has been seen from Main Highway and etched in the public's mind for almost a
century. And this is what people think about when we talk about the Coconut Grove
Playhouse, that image, and we're going to restore that building. And with our
project, this is what people will continue to see and enjoy for years to come when this
beautiful building is fully and carefully restored. Let's continue to look at the
evidence. There are "before" and "after" pictures of the exterior of the back concrete
box that Mayor Suarez would have us save; and so, I'd like to show what it is that
we're talking about today. That's -- on top, that's what we're talking about. There's
no architecturally significant element to what I call the back of the theater. That's
what we're talking about. That's what this whole hoopla is all about; that structure
back there. These are "before" and "after" pictures of the exterior of the back, the
pictures of the landscaping, plazas, pocket park, and the restored architectural --
architecture and theater that our project creates. But your choice is even more stark
than these pictures of the completely undistinguished back, and the sides of the
playhouse building. It is about something wonderful happening to revive this magical
place if you override the Mayor's veto. Or is it about nothing happening now, and
perhaps for years and years to come if the Mayor's veto stands? It's not hard to
imagine that this entire building will continue to suffer an awful fate if you do not
approve our project, and if the property goes back to the State; what some call
"demolition by neglect." Please do not let this happen. Our project restores and
celebrates the historic architecture and brings theater back to the playhouse. It
creates a place that is pedestrian friendly and welcoming to the Coconut Grove
Business District and the West Grove. It provides a parking solution for theater-
goers and the Business District patrons. And it can happen now. Together, we can
happen -- make it happen now with your support. It is completely misleading to even
suggest that there is another plan. There is no funding, not one cent, for any other
plan. The County and FIU (Florida International University) have the lease on this
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property, and only the County and FIU have a lease on this property. We have more
than $23 million of funds committed for the restoration of this theater. We have spent
two years completing architectural drawings and going through all of the regulatory
reviews. We have a partner in the Miami Parking Authority, with the advantage of no
land cost and $9 million of funds dedicated to making parking an attractive
investment. And people who suggest that we are ready to go are just plain wrong;
unless you make them right, by stopping us again. I urge you to do the right thing for
our entire community. Override the veto, and help us make this project a reality.
When this episode of the playhouse legendary history is told, please be counted
among the leaders that returned the Coconut Grove Playhouse to our community.
Believe your eyes. Look at the record and the pictures of what is there now; this back
and sides of a plain, hulking concrete shell; and then, look at what we can do together
to bring life back to this home for great theater and this gateway to the corner of
Coconut Grove. And as a Coconut Grove resident, I urge you to override the veto.
And again, I also urge you to listen to the folks that say there's another plan and a
foundation out there with another plan. There may be another plan, but there are no
funds to go along with it. And as I've said on the record, if it is about the size of the
theater, I am more than willing to accept $10 million from the City of Miami, which
has been promised by certain political figures, and we'd be happy to make a bigger
theater. But a bigger theater doesn't mean saving the concrete structure in the back.
A bigger theater means making a new modern theater, and also re-establishing the
iconic facade and the iconic building of the Coconut Grove Playhouse; that's what the
people know as the Coconut Grove Playhouse. I don't believe it's the back structure --
the concrete structure that sits in the back. Thank you very much.
Chair Russell: Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
Commissioner Reyes: Can I ask the Mayor a question?
Chair Russell: Of course.
Commissioner Reyes: Mayor?
Chair Russell: Mr. Mayor?
Commissioner Reyes: Mr. Mayor, just for clarification -- because I have heard many
people that come and said we want a 600 -seat auditorium, 800, a thousand, 400, 500.
Who has the authority of -- over that -- I mean, that -- the playhouse? Who has the
authority? Who has the last word of what is going to be built there? Because the
only thing that we have -- the only power that we have as I do understand is that by
declaring it historic, there are certain limitations -- I mean something -- kind of held
hostage, you see. But it's -- there are certain limitations. But we don't own that,
right?
Mayor Gimenez: No.
Commissioner Reyes: We don't own it.
Mayor Gimenez: No.
Commissioner Reyes: We cannot decide what type of auditorium we're going to
have?
Mayor Gimenez: The lease is --from the State is with FIU, and we're sub -lessee to
FIU. It's a State -- it's Miami -Dade County and FIU, that's who controls the property
right now.
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Commissioner Reyes: Because I want to clear this. If nothing happens, if you decide
-- the FIU and the County decides that you're going -- you're not going to do
anything, and it's going to be reverted to --
Mayor Gimenez: It'd revert back to the State.
Commissioner Reyes: -- the State.
Mayor Gimenez: Yes.
Commissioner Reyes: Now, in order for another authority to take ownership of it, has
to go through -- what?
Mayor Gimenez: It'll go through surplus -- there's a surplus land process that they
have at the State. The -- a university -- a State university and/or some other State
entities that may be able to get the property for free; if not, even the County and the
City would have to pay for the land to buy it. And that's --
Commissioner Reyes: Doesn't mean that we could go and take over it --
Mayor Gimenez: No.
Commissioner Reyes: -- and build whatever we want?
Mayor Gimenez: No. The only -- look, one of the reasons why --
Commissioner Reyes: Because I don't want to misinform the people.
Mayor Gimenez: No. One of the reasons why FIU is involved is that they were able
to get the property from the State for free. The County can't even get it for free. You
have to pay fair market value. And so, if it goes back on the -- as a surplus property,
it'll most likely go to the highest bidder, and then that highest bidder -- I don't believe
that a -- they will consider a theater to be the highest and best use for that corner of
Coconut Grove. We're the only ones that have this plan; we're the only ones that have
this lease; we're the only ones that have any money. We have $23 million. A lot of
people have said they can raise a lot of money for a number of years, and I haven't
seen one penny being raised in addition to what we have in the County for this
project, and that's why I urge you to override the veto.
Chair Russell: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Did you want to be recognized,
Commissioner Carollo?
Commissioner Carollo: Yes, I would. Mayor Gimenez, good morning. I don't know
if maybe I should address this question to you, or Mr. Spring, but regardless who
answers it, I think it's important that we get these facts out. As I understood, the
County did a in-depth analysis, study of what was the appropriate size of a new
playhouse that would pay for itself based upon the amount of people that would come.
So my question is, if I'm correct in that assumption, my question would be, is how
much more is it going to cost? Do you have any numbers, whether we have 100 more
people than the 300; 200 more; 600 more? As I understand it, the studies that the
County did shows that with a number of 300, that works out where we shouldn't have
a loss, and it could pay for itself, the whole project that's being done.
Mayor Gimenez: I could ask Michael Spring, our Director of Cultural Affairs --
Chair Russell: If we could --
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Mayor Gimenez: -- to come up and answer that.
Chair Russell: -- and I apologize. What I'd like to do procedurally -- because I know
we'll have a lot of questions for you all as the applicant -- if we could do the public
comment of the non -applicant public first and go through, but I would like to clary --
very, very important for legal reasons -- our decision today cannot be based on the
interior qualities of the theater itself. The number of seats cannot weigh into our
factor as a Historic Preservation Board when we made the appeal; yet, and today as
well, when we sustain or override a veto.
Commissioner Carollo: I understand that, Mr. Chairman, but the point being is that
the biggest argument that I'm getting nonstop is the additional seats that are in the
back, so that's why I want to clarify that aspect. My decision is not going to be based
on that; it's going to be based on what I find to be logical on this subject.
Mayor Gimenez: Thank you very much.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Mayor Gimenez: One final comment. Again, you know, we agree on a parking
garage. We agree on restoring the iconic image of what the Coconut Grove
Playhouse is in that structure, in that building. The -- this whole disagreement is
based on the back of the house; the concrete -- that blue concrete structure you see
has no architecturally significant elements, and we believe that we can do a heck of a
lot better than that for the people of Miami -Dade County.
Commissioner Reyes: Just a final question. If -- and I'm going to ask -- if, as
Commissioner Carollo was inquiring about additional seats, whatever is going to be
done, that building has to be demolished, right?
Mayor Gimenez: Demolished, yeah, because that back structure doesn't work for
modern theater. It actually didn't even work before, because that's why it went
bankrupt. It's gone bankrupt more than once, right? All right. So --
Chair Russell: Order, please. Please, no comments from the audience, please.
Commissioner Reyes: Just as a point of information --
Mayor Gimenez: Look, it went bankrupt, all right?
Commissioner Reyes: You see, it's just a point of information.
Mayor Gimenez: Yeah. Well, it doesn't work, because it wasn't built for that purpose.
It was built to be a silent movie theater, and then it had different iterations and
different lives throughout its history. It does not work for modern theater; it just
doesn't. And so, that is what this whole argument today is, because before, it was
about the size.
Commissioner Reyes: Yeah, I mean, I don't want to touch that.
Mayor Gimenez: Now it's about that; historic preservation --
Commissioner Reyes: Yes, sir.
Mayor Gimenez: -- because even the folks that are part of the foundation originally
wanted to demolish the back -- all right? -- and create two new theaters. But now
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they want to restore that, because this is the only vehicle that they have left to stop the
problem.
Commissioner Reyes: Two new theaters. How big each one?
Mayor Gimenez: Excuse me?
Commissioner Reyes: Two new --
Mayor Gimenez: They wanted -- the folks that we talked to -- I mean, are now --
we've been talking to them for years -- wanted a 700 -seat theater and a 300 -seat
theater.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Mayor Gimenez: But never restoring that, the back of the house; always had the
restoration of the front, but never restoring the back. Now they want to restore the
back, because this is the only avenue left to create a bigger theater. I've never been
against the bigger theater. The problem is there is no money, and people have been
telling us and have been promising that they could raise more money, and they
haven't raised a cent. Again, I'd be willing to take the $10 million from the City of
Miami at any time, and we can make a somewhat larger theater, but restoring the
front and the parking garage, and then we can move forward. But even a larger
theater, you would not restore the back of the house.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Commissioner Carollo: Mr. --
Commissioner Reyes: I will prefer that those -- that people that are -- they claim that
they can get funds from the private sector and donors that they contribute $10 million
of the $20 million.
Chair Russell: All right.
Commissioner Carollo: Mr. Chairman?
Chair Russell: Yes, Mr. Carollo.
Commissioner Carollo: Before -- if they could put the pictures that they had up again
for a second --
Chair Russell: Sir?
Commissioner Carollo: -- of the back of the warehouse?
Chair Russell: Sir -- it just disconnected, actually.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah. Can you put that back on, those pictures over there?
I'd appreciate it. Thank you.
Chair Russell: So after this part of the comment, what I'd ask is that we go through
public comment, because I'm sure we will have questions for the applicant/appellant
when we come to make our decision on whether there's a motion or not, whether
there's a vote or not.
Commissioner Carollo: Okay.
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Chair Russell: But I would like to give the public their due before, because otherwise,
we get into a bit of a roundtable --
Commissioner Carollo: Well, I understand.
Chair Russell: -- discussion.
Commissioner Carollo: I understand, and this is a quick observation.
Chair Russell: Yes.
Commissioner Carollo: If I hadn't been told that this was a picture of the back of the
playhouse, this big picture that we have here, I would have thought that this is a
warehouse in Hialeah, or somewhere else in, you know, the industrial zone of Miami -
Dade. I mean, my God, we all have seen historical buildings in Miami, and if this
looks like a warehouse, how in the world can I say that this part is historical?
Chair Russell: Please, please. Commissioner, let's save the dais discussion for when
and if there's a motion. I'd like to really reserve this time for public comment for
those who are here to speak to us. And so, if that's okay with the applicant/appellant
to wait till after the public comment -- is that all right? I'd -- that'll give you more fair
time, I believe, rather than interspersing between the public. Thank you very much.
Unidentified Speaker: Thankyou.
Chair Russell: At the very least, during Miami Preservation Month -- what is it? --
Preservation History Month in Miami?
Unidentified Speaker: Yes.
Chair Russell: We're all sparring over who's the best preservationist here, right? In
one way or another, I think we can celebrate that. Whenever you're ready.
Jenifer Howard Zuh: Okay. Just give me one second. First of all, my name is Jenifer
Howard. Thank you. I'm a resident, and born and raised herein the City for my
whole life. I just wanted to quickly clarify what the Mayor's talking about. This
boomerang -shaped pink front right there, that's what they want to preserve; that's
why we're so upset, because once they behead the entire back of the building they can
do whatever they want with that. That little piece up there is not going to save your
neighborhood; it's not going to -- that piece can be anything you want it to be, so
that's the big reason; plus, it's also a whole theater when it's the whole building. Let
me just go back to my other slide. Okay. The National Historic Preservation Act
celebrates its 53rd year. It is the law. It is the nation's most important advocate for
the past. The quality of life in our cities and towns has been improved by a greater
appreciation reflected in the law of such intangible qualities as aesthetics, identity,
and legacy of the past. The distinctive character of historic districts became an
antidote to the anonymous neighborhoods and strip malls. This is what they're
proposing. Okay? And Section 267.061 directs the Florida Department of
Environmental Protection Division of State Lands to evaluate potential alternatives
when proposing the demolition of a historic site to determine that no feasible and
prudent alternatives to the proposed demolition or alteration exists. So I would like to
ask, Commissioner, has the State of Florida Department of Environmental Protection
completed the required review of the alternatives when this demolition was proposed?
I would like to ask that. I would also like to submit into record this product. It's
widely known for its protective abilities. I don't know if the County knows about it,
but the directions are inside.
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Chair Russell: What is it that you're entering into the record?
Ms. Howard Zuh: I'm submitting a product I'm not sure the County recognizes or
knows about, but it's widely known for its protective abilities in preserving historic
buildings. I don't think that they've seen it, and I've never seen one on the playhouse
for the last 13 years.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Ms. Howard Zuh: But I'd like to --
Chair Russell: Of course. Are you complete with your public comment?
Ms. Howard Zuh: Yes.
Konrad Dabrowski: Yes.
Chair Russell: All right.
Mr. Dabrowski: Good morning. My name is Konrad Dabrowski.
Chair Russell: One moment. I lost him. I wanted to recognize another elected
official I saw out there, but I guess I don't see him anymore. All right. Please go
ahead.
Mr. Dabrowski: Thank you, Commissioner. My name is Konrad Dabrowski, and I'm
a resident of Charles Avenue, so one of the few people, I'm sure, here that actually
live next to the playhouse and are going to face pretty direct consequences of this --
those decisions, including the increased traffic. And I strongly urge Commissioners
to override this veto for a couple of reasons. I kind of -- this is my first time, by the
way, here, and I felt encouraged to speak out, just based on observation of what has
been happening lately. And, you know, as mesmerizing that horror show in DC
(District of Columbia) is, I think it's partially driven by fact -- that there is a fact --
less fact free debate driven by emotions, and I understand that is happening also here,
because we're talking about a very emotional, sentimental issue around here. But
when I look at the facts --I'm a numbers guy. When I hear people talking about a
large theater somewhere, other places than in Miami, well, we have evidence that the
big theater failed financially a couple times over here already, I'm asking myself,
"Why even we're having this debate?" Right? In any other circumstances, we would
have gone with the County's plan. And that's another point that I wanted to bring.
The vantage point of the community that actually lives there and appreciates the
County's plan in a way that some people might not -- right? -- as opposed to the very
large theater that I think is part of the -- you know -- people who are opposing here,
and it gives additional living space to people; the people in West Grove or nearby
streets need -- right? -- like parks, little pocket park, plaza promenade, and stuff like
that. I mean, there's nothing wrong with the mall, you know. In fact, I can go with my
family there and spend some time, and sit with my baby. I mean, there's a bunch of
other things that make this sense -- make this plan a perfectly viable option. And, you
know, like Mayor said, I don't think there is any financially viable plan that's been
submitted. So in a financial decision like that -- I'm going to be living there for
decades to come, right? I have nothing against older generations, but old people
protesting against the County's plan, you know. I mean, look at the crowd. I have
nothing against that; just, you know, I'm going to have to live with those
consequences --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
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Mr. Dabrowski: -- if that plan fails again in 10, 12 years.
Chair Russell: Thank you. So you're in favor of an override?
Mr. Dabrowski: Yes, please.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Next speaker, please.
Steve Massey: Hi. My name is Steve Massey. I live across from the theater in
Avatar; practicing attorney in the State of Florida. With all due respect to the County
Mayor, I would just like to note that if you paint a historic picture on a pig, it's still a
pig. I'm here really to question -- trying to find information in the public record. I
really have a question. I see that there's a letter from the Florida Department of
Environmental Protection, dated August 29, declaring the County in default of its
lease. Under the lease, which I've read, there's a 120 -day cure period. The clause
that the State has said that the County is in default is because they've missed their
timeline. Looking across the theater, I note that the timeline has still not been met.
So, therefore, unless there's been a new lease executed or a waiver letter, there's no
more lease. I mean, the lease is clearly in default. The 120 -day cure period is over.
The County has not met the timelines, which is what was quoted as a default in this
letter. So I question whether the County has standing to appear before the City to
argue for this playhouse in the first place, or to challenge any decision by the City in
any competent court of jurisdiction in this State without a valid lease. Secondly, I'd
just like to say for the record that having read the MOU (Memorandum of
Understanding) between the County and the Parking Authority, I note that the
County's plan is not fully funded. Actually, they used the $20 million from the bond
issue, which, again, is supposed to only be used for restoration of the theater,
specifically, in the bond issue. So technically, they don't have that money. But if they
had that money, they could replace the -- they could construct the theater there, which
is in yellow. The Parking Authority does have the money to build a parking garage,
but there's no money to do the items in blue. There's no money to do the historical
fagade --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Mr. Massey: -- that is the painting on the pig. Now, and where the money's supposed
to come from was originally some developer that was magically going to appear --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Mr. Massey: -- and I just want to note for the record that under the lease that doesn't
exist, there's a "no encumbrance" clause. I've been in the real estate business for 20
years. I can't imagine a developer or anybody else; or a loan, magically, from Art
Noriega, appearing --
Chair Russell: Thank you. Your time is up.
Mr. Massey: -- without the ability to encumber that property under the clause and
lease. Thank you very much.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much, Mr. Massey. Good morning.
Stephen Neal: Stephen Neal, 501 Northeast 107th Street; faculty member of the FIU
School of Theater. Once again, I urge you to allow this plan to move into the
construction phase so we could bring our flagship regional theater back to life. If you
vote to uphold this theater, the playhouse will likely remain what it has been for the
past 13 years; a useless and decaying skeleton. Producing theater companies are the
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beating hearts and life blood of theater. Anyone who suggests the playhouse can
return to the glory days of operating in an 1100 or even a 700 -seat theater is
engaging in wishful thinking, at best. For example, the cost of playwright royalties
and actors' salaries are based largely on the physical number of seats and the ticket
prices. A 700 -seat theater more than doubles the overhead in those two categories
alone. A 300 -seat theater makes practical artistic and financial sense. It will enable
Joe Adler to continue producing award-winning, off-Broadway style, cutting edge,
bill paying, nationally -recognized regional theater in a bigger and better space. I
reiterate, the most valuable assets of the playhouse are not to be found in the cement,
plaster, and wood of that much altered stage house. They can only be found in the
rich production history, the blood, sweat, and tears of thousands of men and women
who created over 50 years of unforgettable productions that had very little to do with
the building, but everything to do with what we -- theater really is; that's what makes
the playhouse so important. If Joe were to work magic within the severe limitations of
a converted meeting room, just imagine what he can do in a building specifically
designed to produce live theater. In conclusion, I urge you to join us in supporting
this exquisitely detailed plan. It's grounded in common sense, vividly imaginative,
culturally sensitive, and financial feasible. It restores and pays homage to the most
significant and recognizable designs of Keno and Elliott; and more importantly,
brings the beating heart of live world-class theater back to the Grove within three
years. Thank you for your time. Thank you.
Commissioner Hardemon: Before you leave --
Mr. Neal: Thank you.
Commissioner Hardemon: Mr. Chairman --
Chair Russell: Sir, sir, sir, one of the Commissioners would like to address --
(Applause)
Chair Russell: Please, please, no applause today, please. Thank you. The --
although it was very well delivered. Thank you.
Commissioner Hardemon: Yeah. It was theatric, right?
Mr. Neal: God bless you. Thank you.
Commissioner Hardemon: No, no, comeback, sir.
Chair Russell: The Commissioner would like to address you, please.
Mr. Neal: Oh, sorry.
Commissioner Hardemon: There is a historic theater in Overtown called the Lyric
Theater.
Mr. Neal: Yes.
Commissioner Hardemon: It has less than 400 seats, and the operators of the Lyric
Theater have been complaining that they don't have enough seats in order for the
building to be profitable. What they say is that the ticket prices per seat have to be
very high in order for them to cover what the cost would be for an actual, say, a
performance to be there; and so, they find that troubling. Also, in Miramar, I think
Miramar has about a 700 -seat theater that's relatively new, and they're looking to
expand to a larger theater. And I know they bring shows from all over the nation.
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When -- help me understand why -- besides the cost of lights, et cetera, why having a -
- and I know this doesn't play into necessarily our decision, but I'm really curious.
Why is it, in one -- in Overtown, they say 300 -- 400 seats is not enough; in Miramar,
they say 700 seats is not enough; but then here, you say that 300 seats is the magic
number?
Mr. Neal: It's the magic number because it can be paid for. It can -- Every time you
have a theater open with empty seats, you lose money. If you can -- that was the
problem with the Coconut Grove Playhouse to begin with; they couldn't fill the seats.
They had 1,100 seats to fill. They cutoff the balcony section and still couldn't fill the
auditorium.
Commissioner Hardemon: So --
Mr. Neal: They tried very hard, but they went bankrupt, because they overpaid
everything.
Commissioner Hardemon: So if -- theoretically, if you can fill the seats, then you
could have a profitable theater; is that what you're saying to me?
Mr. Neal: That's what I'm saying; plus, if you do have a profitable theater at 300
seats, there's always the possibility of expansion.
Chair Russell: Please, please.
Commissioner Hardemon: Thank you. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you, Commissioner.
Commissioner Hardemon: Thank you.
Mr. Neal: I appreciate your time.
Chair Russell: Good morning.
Maria Freed: Good morning. Maria Freed, 3055 Washington Street, Coconut
Grove. I'm here to support the Mayor's veto. And I want to thank Mayor Suarez, as
well as Commissioner Russell and Commissioner Hardemon, for their support on
preservation. We really need you and we really welcome your championship towards
preservation efforts in a community that has lost so much throughout the years.
Commissioner Russell, if you would just indulge me for a minute just for the record, I
have a question that I don't know the answer to. In the Memorandum of
Understanding between the County and Miami Parking Authority for the development
ofparking garage, offices, retail space, restaurants, residential units, and a new small
theater at the historically designed Coconut Grove Playhouse site, under Article I of
the General Terms 1.2, it states that, "The agreement shall be subject to feedback
from local community stakeholders." I would like to know if there was a public
meeting that provided local community stakeholders an opportunity to give feedback.
If so, when and where was this meeting held, and is there a public record of this
meeting? Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Al Alschuler: Good morning. My name is Al Alschuler. I live at 2430 Brickell
Avenue. My personal association with the playhouse began some 40 years ago, when
Players Reparatory Company was seeking a more suitable performance space than
was being performed at the old Museum of Science. I was an active member of the
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board of the Players when we purchased the Coconut Grove Playhouse in the '70s,
and after achieving statewide recognition, we established the Players State Theater.
In 1978, I became the founding Chairman of its inaugural conservatory, creating
community programs, to which FIU and Joe Adler I know will be committed in the
future. I left the playhouse board in 1984, objecting to then Artistic Director Jose
Ferrer's predilection for hiring out-of-state actors and technical staff rather than
employ South Floridians. But I had early -- opportunities early on to see numerous
productions directed by Joe Adler. Now a Gables Stage subscriber since its
inauguration, I am confident in his ability and in his vision. I'm a Carbonyl Panelist
for many years. I can attest to my Carbonyl colleagues, overwhelming colleagues,
overwhelming preference for this 300 -seat Grove Stage solution; a space that can be
successfully and profitably filled by Joe Adler. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Julian Kreeger: If it please the Commission, my name is Julian Kreeger. I spoke
previously, and I will try not to repeat what I previously said. I've been an attorney.
I've taught art and entertainment law at the University of Miami Law School for 27
years. I fully support the position of the County Mayor and FIU. I'm also on the
Advisory Board for the Dean of CCAMT at FIU, which is the College of
Communications, Architecture, Music, and Theater, and I've been President for 34
years of the Friends of Chamber Music of Miami, which brings internationally -known
performers for piano and chamber music to Miami. I do not believe that there would
be a huge audience for that above 300, number one. Number two, I have not seen that
I can recall in the 34 years that I've been President of the Friends of Chamber Music
any of the people who are here opposing the FIU and County Manager's plan for the
Coconut Grove Playhouse, and I don't think there is any other organization in Miami
that brings artists of the caliber the Friends of Chamber Music brings, of
international reputation. I should also point out that I was the Florida
Philharmonic's representative in the Performing Arts Center Trust when the Arsht
Center was being, you know, designed and prepared. I won't burden -- but I urge you
to overcome the veto.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Steve Weinger: Good morning. Thank you. I'm Steve Weinger. I live at 1881 South
Bayshore Drive, down the block from City Hall; down the block from the Coconut
Grove Playhouse. And I'm also the volunteer President and Chairman of the Board of
GableStage, and I've held that position for some years now. And, you know, I'm not
here to talk about how beautiful the restoration will be and how practical it is, and
how alternatives are impractical, because I don't think that, frankly, those are issues
that you're allowed to consider. And I think you are allowed to -- and imagine, each
of you owns property somewhere. Can you imagine if somebody said, "Well, you do
comply with the Code, but we're not going to allow you a building permit, because we
think you should have five bedrooms instead of three really big ones." It's not your
property. It's not your property. You don't have control over it. You don't have legal
authority. And as you know from recent history, when you interfere with private
property rights, you end up paying in damages. So the way we see this is that the
Mayor's veto was based on impermissible factors. And you, aside from your
responsibilities -- other responsibilities -- have the duty to protect the resources and
the financial condition of the City. GableStage has property --interest in its property.
It's been awarded a contract for 50 years at a very reasonable rent of a dollar a year,
and been promised a $22 million theater site, and we're not just going to walk away
from that after 10 years of working on it. And so, you have a duty to override this
veto, and to protect the interests of the City; and in doing that, what you'll be doing is
following all of the opinions of your experts, because in this case, the City staff, the
experts in this area all determined that this was an appropriate use of our property --
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not your property, but our property -- an appropriate use, was consistent with the
designation as an historic site, and so forth. And for -- nobody is saying that that staff
recommendation is wrong. All people are saying is, "Gee, if this were my property,
I'd rather have this," or "I'd rather have this." Well, it's not; and so, we intend to
proceed with this project or to seek appropriate remedies if we're not given
appropriate consideration under the legal standards. We took our interest in the
property, subject to the designation it was given, and now subject to it being changed
without due process. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Steven Dloogoff Good morning. Steven Dloogoff, 3418 Franklin Avenue, Coconut
Grove. There's little that I can say here today that will change the minds of the
Commission. What could and will change is when the citizens of the Grove and
Miami -Dade go to the ballot box. It's time for the gentlemen of the Miami
Commission -- and I'm sorry to say -- able to say ladies and gentlemen of the
Commission -- to wake up; the will of 77 percent of District 2 and 74 percent of the
population of the Grove, and approve the County playhouse plan, and override Mayor
Suarez' veto. Since we are a democratic society, whether or not your district includes
the Grove, you have been elected to take mind of the will of the majority of the
residents of District 2 and the Grove, and override the Mayor's veto, and approve
Michael Spring's County plan for the playhouse. On March 16, 2018, the Coconut
Grove Village Council submitted its support of the County plan. With your refusing to
override Mayor Suarez' veto, you are saying you have little or no regard for the
Coconut Grove Village Council or the population of the Grove. As a member of the
Council, I take that as a personal offense to the integrity of the Village Council. I'm
sure this resolution has been distributed to the Commission, but you may never have
read it. I will pass it out today. It's time to stop pandering to the wishes of the few
individuals of the community and move forward with the County plan for the
playhouse that will enhance the Grove, its citizens, not create a traffic nightmare,
have a playhouse that is financially independent, and will not require the City or
County funds to sustain itself, and represent the citizens of Coconut Grove. The
Heisenbottle/Eidson plan has never made a presentation specifically on the items that
are being saved of the existing auditorium structure. Councilmen, wake up and listen
to 74 percent of the population that you have been elected to represent. Wake up and
smell the flowers. The election is not far off.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much; November 5, actually.
Commissioner Carollo: Let me just make a quick statement, Chairman.
Chair Russell: Yes, Commissioner.
Commissioner Carollo: Chairman -- and I have to do this. The gentleman talked
about the will of Coconut Grove, and I respect that, but I have to put this in the
record. The playhouse might be in Coconut Grove, but the playhouse is for all the
people of Miami. Just because a key institution is in one part of the City or the other
doesn't mean that other people that live in another part of the City have any less so -
say or rights than those that live in one district, because I assure you, there are
probably even more people that live outside of Coconut Grove that would come to the
new playhouse, just like in the past. The majority of people that attended plays that
came to the playhouse were not from Coconut Grove, and I just want to say that.
Chair Russell: Thank you, Commissioner. Good morning.
Barry White: Good morning.
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Chair Russell: No applause, please.
Mr. White: My name is Barry White, 1001 Southwest 129th Terrace. The HEP Board
got it right. Mayor Suarez got it right. The plan before you was rejected by the HEP
Board -- I was at that meeting -- for two main reasons. It did not meet Federal
guidelines, and therefore, would not qualms in the future for Federal funding. And
number two, there was no alternative plan presented. One of the main reasons for
that playhouse to exist was as an economic driver for that area, and when it existed, it
flourished. And I want to have enough time to address Mayor Gimenez, a private
citizen's points that he made. I'll be brief, but he took all the time he needed to make
several points, and I'd like to address those points. The reason for that failure of that
playhouse was not for lack of attendance. As I've explained to this board before, and
in writing, it failed due to catastrophic mismanagement of their board. When their
Artistic Director violated the rules of the -- those who license plays to be performed
by altering the plays as the Equity Actors informed them in New York, the playhouse
was barred from that point on from receiving plays from New York, first -run plays,
and they could only produce one-man shows, locally produced plays. It could not
produce quality theater. Regarding the size of the playhouse, you've been told by Mr.
Buffman and by others, and by me, with courting New York based produce -- I am a
theatrical producer. I produce shows, and I'm a performer. And the optimal size for
that theater, ifyou want to -- is 1,100 and 200.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Mr. White: And with 1,100 seats, you can make a profit.
Chair Russell: Thank you, sir.
Mr. White: But -- and as far as the monies involved, if Mr. Gimenez -- Mayor
Gimenez has money for his plan --
Chair Russell: Time is up.
Mr. White: -- won't that money be available -- now, I just want to see if there's -- and
to take Commissioner Carollo's point, there were busloads of people coming from all
over South Florida to that theater. I was a member --
Chair Russell: Thank you, sir. I apologize, but your time is up. I know you have so
many points to make, and a lot of people do, but there's --
Mr. White: -- Mayor Gimenez -- and he was given exceptional time at your hearing
the last time while you were making your final vote. I think that violates Mason's
laws, and you should look at that. When you are --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Mr. White: -- end your discussion, that's the end of it, and it should be cut off there.
Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Tony Scornavacca: Good morning. Commissioner Reyes, Commissioner Carollo,
Commissioner Russell, Commissioner Gort, Commissioner Hardemon, I ask you to
support the Mayor's veto. The playhouse needs to be restored as closely as possible
to its original state. The interior of that auditorium is special. We do not need a
mini production at a school -size auditorium with a Bed, Bath and Beyond attached on
the side. This is not what the Miami -Dade County citizens need. The Coconut Grove
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Playhouse is the crown jewel of Miami in this area. No other structure -- maybe
Vizcaya, the Freedom Tower -- these are outside of this particular area. In this area,
the Coconut Grove Playhouse is the crown jewel. The voters voted. What
governmental body will ignore the vote of the voters? Voting is sacred. The vote was
for the restoration of the structural integrity of that building. It was not for a smaller
theater and something else, and an alternative plan. The vote that the voters voted
for, which is sacred, was for the restoration of the structural integrity of that building.
Not viable; I'm hearing all this talk about "not viable." Every theater, opera, ballet,
symphony, theater in the United States, every one is supported by benefactors and
grants, and that's how the arts and the cultural affairs survive.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Mr. Scornavacca: Thank you.
Chair Russell: Time 's up. Thank you.
Commissioner Carollo: Excuse me.
(Applause)
Chair Russell: Please, no applause, please, please.
Commissioner Carollo: Chairman, I have to make a point of clarification. I know
that he wanted to make a point, but I think he forgot that small little theater that some
think is historic; the Olympia Theater, downtown.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Commissioner Carollo: That's historic.
Commissioner Reyes: And I want to make another point. You see, I am -- as I stated
before, I would not agree on the City of Miami taking ownership and mortgaging for
a future -- as we have done any time that we have taken a menu -- venue. But if you
have those benefactors that could raise the money for a larger auditorium, please talk
to the Mayor of Miami -Dade County; that he said he's willing to do it if the money is
there.
Chair Russell: Commissioners, if we have a question for a specific speaker that we'd
like them to address based on something they said, let's do that. But for our own
purpose of discussion and -- let's save that for after the public has had their time.
Vice Chair Gort: Mr. Chairman?
Chair Russell: Yes, Commissioner Gort.
Vice Chair Gort: Let me give you a suggestion. Any question that we want to ask,
write it down. And then when the time comes to close the public hearing, we'll ask all
those questions.
Chair Russell: He was recommending that --
Vice Chair Gort: What I'm saying is, if we're going to ask the Chairman to please go
ahead and ask -- write down the question that we want, and then at the end, we'll ask
them. Thank you.
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Chair Russell: Thank you very much. If you do have a direct question for someone
who's standing right there who may have to leave, I understand that. But I just don't
want us to get in a roundtable discussion or debate with the public, point by point. I
forget who was next. Thank you. Good morning.
Ana Carrano: Good morning. My name is Ana Maria Carrano. I am a Miami
resident who worked for five years in an organization to preserve historic heritage.
I've been in this hall for the previous sessions, and I consider that the veto is based on
the premise that the project does not respect historic preservation standards, which is
wrong. As it has been presented in this hall before, the interior of the Coconut Grove
Playhouse has been intervened several times in the past. And the current project is
actually preserving the historic fagade and designing as a sustainable auditorium that
respect the scale in the community that it's based in; this is why I urge you to override
the veto. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Good morning.
Lisa Remeny: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, the Commission. This is -- I'm
Lisa Remeny, long-time Coconut Grove resident, visual artist, and I have a question
for the County, Chairman, for you to please ask them when the time comes. I'd like to
know why the County's refused to restore the Historical Coconut Grove Playhouse
consistent with the historic preservation guidelines of the Secretary of the Interior, as
the Lyric and other restorations projects have successfully done. What about this
great building we're standing in today? If this had gone to developers, would we be
in this beautiful restored building? Is the County's plan a real estate project merely
masquerading as a theater restoration, considering its plan for restoration of the
property includes 33 percent of the space for feeder -related purposes and 67 percent
is designated for office and retail space? Do we need another failed retail space, like
Coco Walk? Look what that has become. All those historic buildings went down 30
years ago, and now look what it is. Do we need more of that? I don't think so. Thank
you very much.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Mitchell Bierman: Hi.
Chair Russell: No applause, please.
Mr. Bierman: I'm Mitch Bierman. I'm an attorney, but my hobby is supporting the
arts, and I serve on the Cultural Affairs Council, and the Board of GablesStage and
Perez Art Museum. I'm here because that's really what I care passionately about, and
it's not really for my own kids, because they're very fortunate. They go to New York to
see theater with me twice a year. It's for all the kids in Miami -Dade County, kids who
grew up here, who would have the chance to see live theater, and some of them have
the chance to see it currently at the GableStage, but a lot more of them will have the
opportunity when the GableStage is in the Coconut Grove Playhouse. And those kids
grow up to be people like Terrell Alvin McCraney, who had opportunities to present
at the GableStage and developed his art at the GableStage, and eventually won an
Academy Award for his film. We're in a position now where we can do something
today to make this happen. There is no real alternative. There is a project that is
funded; it is feasible; it has a company that is going to serve and run it that is an
award-winning company. And the alternative is to do nothing with this space for
another generation, because there is no other project out there that we're choosing
between. And the other, you know, pressure -- and I applaud everybody who wants to
preserve as much history as possible, but there's only so much that can be preserved
with the money that we have now. So I urge you to move forward with this today so
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that our children can enjoy theater live in Coconut Grove in the next few years.
Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Next speaker, please.
Gloriana Calhoun: My name is Gloriana Calhoun. I'm a long-time resident of
Coconut Grove, and I --first, I want to say one quick thing about the playhouse. This
playhouse has a reputation that goes far beyond Coconut Grove. I used to work with
set designers in New York. I worked on productions that -- we worked them down
here in the Grove Theater. The actors from Broadway and off Broadway loved the
Coconut Grove Playhouse. They loved coming down here and they loved performing
in it. And I have a quick question. In the Memorandum of Understanding between
Miami -Dade County and Miami Parking Authority for the development of the
historically -designated Coconut Grove Playhouse site, under Article I of the General
Terms, 1.03, under Project Components and Descriptions, it states that the County
will fund the construction of the theater, rehearsal and scene shop. My question is,
who will fund the development of the parking garage, offices, retail space,
restaurants, and the residential units also listed in the Memorandum of
Understanding? Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Good morning.
Carol Lopez Bethel: My name is Carol Lopez Bethel. I reside at 3907 Loquat
Avenue. I want to open this by thanking former Commissioner and current Mayor,
Mr. Suarez, for your courage in responding to my request the first time I stood here
for the playhouse, asking that this Commission show the wisdom of Solomon and not
kill the baby. It's not necessary in order to return it to the proper mother. It does not
have to be murdered and split in half. It's quite obvious that -- I think most of us here
know that this project, the County's project has not been fully funded. Many residents
feel that they have been misled to understand what is not, in fact, true. And in reality,
this so-called survey that returned 74 and 78 percent of District 2 and Coconut Grove
residents who are in approval of this does not trump a referendum. I guarantee, the
City of Miami voted -- the entire City of Miami voted to restore the playhouse, and a
survey, which I was never served and no one I know in Coconut Grove was ever
served does not trump a vote that was placed. Please remember that. We do not -- it
just takes a simple survey of the empty retail space that is in Coconut Grove right now
in the Village; and a brand-new office building, which sits unleased. We need more
office space? No. Please, Commission, the wisdom of Solomon, I beg you again,
don't kill the baby.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
(Applause)
Chair Russell: No applause, please, please. Good morning.
William Mahone: Thank you. My name is William Mahone. I'm a relatively new
resident of Miami. My job moved down here about three and a half years ago, and
when I was trying to decide whether or not to move here or not, one of the things I
took into account was the very vibrant theater scene in Miami. I'm a theater buff- I've
been for a long time. And even up in New York, I had heard of the Coconut Grove
Playhouse, and I looked forward to seeing shows here when I moved down. So I was
a little disappointed when I moved down here and found that the theater was actually
dark, had been dark for a long time, and there didn't seem to be much prospect of it
opening again. But I did move down, and then I began to follow this plan, which is
now before the Commission, to reopen the theater; a very practical, I think a very
wise, very good plan. And I was very disappointed, honestly, when the Mayor vetoed
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it just when it was on the 90th yard line. I think the reopening of the Coconut Grove
Playhouse will be a great thing for the people of Miami; not just the residents, but
visitors. But honestly, it'll be a great thing for the American theater, and I urge all of
you to please override the Mayor's veto and don't consign Coconut Grove Playhouse
to the ash heap once again for another indefinite period of time; decades, two
decades, who knows? Thank you very much.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Barbara Lange: Good morning. First, I want to thank Commissioner Hardemon and
Commissioner --
Chair Russell: Pull the microphone a little closer.
Ms. Lange: Oh. First, I want to thank Commissioner Hardemon and Commissioner
Russell for voting against the County plan, and I want to thank the Mayor for vetoing
the plan. And I have a question. If the State stated in a letter, dated March 1, 2019,
to the City of Miami Historic Board, stating the County plan was inconsistent with
historic nature of the property, how is the County plan viable when it's obviously in
violation of historic standards? Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Ms. Lange: Did I give my name?
Chair Russell: What's your name?
Ms. Lange: Oh, Barbara Lange --
Chair Russell: Thank you, Barbara.
Ms. Lange: -- 3901 Braganza Avenue.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Allyson Cohen: Good morning. Allyson Cohen, native, 2 Grove Isle Drive, Coconut
Grove, Florida. I want to thank you, Mayor, Commissioners, for supporting the
preservation of the Coconut Grove Playhouse.
Vice Chair Gort: Speak into the mike.
Chair Russell: We can't hear you; if you could pull the mike up, it'd be better.
Ms. Cohen: Imagine that. Appreciate that you've made the overture to support and
preserve the Coconut Grove Playhouse. There aren't many standing buildings like the
Coconut Grove Playhouse. I have a question. Is it true that the County has been
denied special category grants from the State of Florida due to the failure of its plan
to meet historic guidelines? If so, does this make the County's plan ineligible for
local and State and national historic funds, and tax credits? Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Anthony Parrish: Good morning. My name is Andy Parrish. I live at 3940 Main
Highway in the Grove; it's a 1909 house in the Grove. I'm a former Chair of the HEP
Board, and I want to specifically speak to that question of why we're here today. Is
this historic or not? So let's all take a state back -- step back -- and think about where
we want to go. We all want live theater to return to Coconut Grove. So what we'd
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normally do is we'd ask Goggle Maps how we get there. So in Google, we'd enter our
destination, and we might call it Broadway. Then Google will ask us to enter our
starting point, because you can't get anywhere unless you know where you're starting
from. Our starting point is and has to be what the HEP Board designated when the
HEP Board designated the entire exterior; the entire exterior of the playhouse to be
historic by an 8 to 0 vote. That was in 2005. There is no other starting point,
Commissioners. Since then, the HEP Board has twice stopped the demolition of the
auditorium, comprising most of the playhouse; matter of fact, the demolition plan the
County has is -- 90 percent of it almost goes down. The National Trust has put our
entire playhouse on the National Historic Register of Historic Places. The State of
Florida has instructed us to return the playhouse to its starting point. That starting
point, as I said, would be preserving and restoring the entire exterior of the
playhouse, including the exterior of the auditorium. All the rest will be stops along
the way; even alternative routes on our trip to bringing back Broadway to the Grove.
Thank you very much. And thank you, Mayor Suarez. I definitely support this --
support the veto. And thank you, Commissioner Hardemon and Commissioner
Russell.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. No applause, please. Thank you. Sir?
Miguel Abadia: Good morning. My name is Miguel Angel Abadia. Honorable
Mayor Suarez, Commissioner -- Chair Russell, Commissioners, I'm here today to
praise and commend you, a true Mayor, but most of all, a true man; a young man with
conviction, proven leadership that kept his courage, integrity, humility, ethics,
sincerity, and loyalty, all towards your own true beliefs. Thank you, Mayor Francis
Suarez, for believing in a different future for our beloved playhouse, and caring for
the diversity and inclusion that it will bring back into the area. "Gracias. Usted es
nuestro" -- (UNINTELLIGIBLE). Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Mr. Abadia: Now I may continue?
Chair Russell: Oh, yes. You still have a few --
Mr. Abadia: For the ugly part --
Chair Russell: Okay.
Mr. Abadia: -- and that's the Miami -Dade County. In our County, to repeat a lie, it
does not make a truth. With a dictatorial approach, we heard many times, "It is not
our way, then it will not be done." What a despicable arrogance. And with a scary
tactic, they even said that if it was not done their way, the contract will be given back
to the State. Well, hallelujah. For the love of art, culture, and history, please do so
as soon as possible, ASAP. The playhouse, a national historic landmark theater,
deserves to be in much better hands. Let the lady, the grand dame of Coconut Grove,
thrive once again, and put it in the hands of knowledgeable, caring theater --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Mr. Abadia: --connoisseurs. Thank you very much.
Chair Russell: Next speaker, please. No applause, thank you. Yes, please.
Elizabeth Ponce: Hi. Elizabeth Ponce. I first want to say something to all of you. I
just got two smiles from this one fantastic gentleman, with these two gentlemen. You
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just called me "lovely. " Thank you very much. And that's what this is about;
marketing. You see what I'm dressed like?
Chair Russell: You need a microphone, ma'am.
Ms. Ponce: This theater has a dress code. This theater, if marketed well, whoa, the
sky is the limit. Let's talk about Valentine's, okay? How about Blood of the Sangre,
Blood Wedding, drama? Ah, but you have to have a dress code, okay? This theater
will have wine like this; not in plastic cups. This theater will shine. This is the goody
box, okay? This theater will sell everything like hotcakes; just that simple. You see,
it's about shine, gentlemen. Give me Number S. And Mr. Reyes, you were right. We
should have sat at a table and discussed this, and the sky is the limit. Thank you very
much.
Chair Russell: You're in support of the veto, or you are in support of the override of
the veto?
Ms. Ponce: (INAUDIBLE), if I may.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Liz Gibson: My name is Liz Gibson. I live in South Grove --
Chair Russell: Just a moment, Liz.
Ms. Gibson: --for many years, since I was a little kid. I have a couple of questions;
then I'll explain to you my situation.
Commissioner Carollo: (INAUDIBLE).
Ms. Ponce: I want you there, dressed up to the nines. So I'm in favor of the veto.
And may I say one more thing, please? A disgrace, because you should be
celebrating for the labor that this man has done for the culture of Florida. We should
all be there celebrating. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Liz, you have the floor.
Ms. Gibson: Yes. First, I have a couple of questions. Did the County's application
for Certificate of Appropriateness contain language that accurately described the
scope of the work at the historic playhouse? Anybody want to answer that? If not,
could this be the reason that the community was not aware of the County's intent to
demolish our historic playhouse that is on the National Register? Okay, now let me
tell you why I'm attached to the playhouse as it is. My mother bought our house when
I was a little girl. We moved to South Grove. They were finishing off the floors. And
I went to Coconut Grove Elementary. I went to the playhouse before it was a
playhouse. It was a movie theater, and it cost 25 cents to see a film. I was there when
they turned it into a playhouse, and I used to baby-sit for some of the actors' kids. My
brother had the limousine service for the playhouse. My niece was an usherette.
When I worked for Dade County for 26 years, we would often go to lunch at the
Taurus, and we'd see what we called "the blue -hair matinee people." But it was
always packed. When I used to go to plays, you know, as -- when my children were
little, it was always packed. I don't know whether it was mismanaged or what, but I
would like to see the veto upheld. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
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Marlene Berlow: Good morning. My name is Marlene Berlow. I live at 3840
Crawford Avenue, in Coconut Grove, where I've lived for 37 years. I've seen so many
changes in Coconut Grove. This fabulous opportunity that we have for a theater
complex that seats 300 people is like nothing any other city our size can afford. I
think each of you who the people have elected have your obligation to the people that
elected you to give them the opportunity to have this theater move forward, not stop.
I'm opposed to the veto. I think that you will have failed your people, and you will
have failed your City.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Good morning.
Katrina Morris: Hi. Katrina Morris, 4130 Lybyer Avenue, Coconut Grove. I get
more nervous -- I'm an actor, and I get more nervous talking to you guys than being
on stage, because it's important. I live in an old house. It was built in 1945. And I
like the door that sticks in my closet. It's got the original doorknob. I like all the
quirks of my house. And I've heard a lot about size and modernity, and all of this stuff
of -- we have to have this state-of-the-art theater. But sometimes when you're
performing, the theater, even the weird -- like, okay, which way do we have to come
in? And like what -- that adds to the performance. That adds; that history that the
theater has actually adds to the performance; it doesn't take away from it. And
furthermore, right now, we may know what the conditions of the theater -going
community are right now in 2019, but we don't know what's going to happen in the
future. So people might get sick of Netflix, and they might go, "You know what? Why
don't we disconnect it? Let's go back into the community and go see more play" -- We
don't know what's going to happen in the future, and if we tear that theater down, it's
gone, and the future that it had and the past that it had are gone. So I just -- that's
why I get nervous; that's why it's important and -- yeah, love it.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Ms. Morris: Thank you.
Chair Russell: Good morning.
Marcelo Fernandes: Good morning. Marcelo Fernandes, 3936 Main Highway; also
the Chair of Coconut Grove Village Council, which has endorsed the County plan.
We did a complete deep dive into the construction process, the liability, the proforma,
and the sustainability of it, and we approved. But today we're not going to talk about
that, because we're going to go back to the specific facts of why we're here today. It's
about the historical -- the auditorium. And I asked the Mayor, the Commissioners,
others that I've spoken to that if this deal gets upheld, you must have a Plan "B" in
place immediately. Without a Plan "B," we all lose. And both -- if that becomes an
issue, that that back auditorium needs to be preserved the way it is, then neither plan
complies. The foundation plan nor the County plan complies with that. You have to
come back with a hundred percent new plan, and I don't want this to sit for years and
years and years, and nothing happen. The facts are we're here today talking about
the viability. Both plans propose anew theater. Be it 700 or 300, they will gut and
demolish that entire auditorium to make it happen. So I don't want any -- you know --
wool over anybody's eyes. We're not talking about preserving it if we keep those two
plans. You have to start back from scratch. And if you're going to start back from
scratch, please have a plan in place to keep FIU and the County in control, if they
have the control -- I believe they do -- to move this thing forward, and not lose the
playhouse for everyone. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
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Alan Cox: Alan Cox, Dinner Key; 50 years in Coconut Grove. I'd like to thank
Commissioner Russell and Hardemon. And my question is, what is the status of the
County and MU's lease of the playhouse property with the State of Florida? Thank
you.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Good morning.
Deborah Castro: Good morning. It's an honor to be addressing you this morning.
I've never done it, and the Mayors that are here, and the citizens. My name is
Deborah Scarba Castro. I live at 3683 Hibiscus Street in the Grove, and my home
was designed by Keno and Elliott. And culture and creativity is the heart and soul of
our society, and the Grove has an incredibly rich story, and that is that great minds
visited here and came here to work. August [sic] Saint-Gaudens, Singer Sargent,
Alexander Graham Bell. Many of us don't know that. Many of the citizens don't know
that. And there's always a conflict between modernization and respect for the past.
But this property will be the only Keno and Elliott property in the country that will be
destroyed, and that is significant. My husband is restoring another property right
now. He -- I humbly tell you he's gifted. I invite you all to come to my home and look
at what he's done. He bought the house for a few hundred thousand, and now it's
worth a few million. Look at the pricelessness of El dardin. Miami Senior High
raised hundreds of millions of dollars. The Gables School. How could a City this size
not have the vision that people come here to learn more; that we're "Sun Tan U. "
Some of the great citizens developed the "Miami as an Art community." Now it's
better than Art Basel. What will we say when we've whitewashed all that history, and
there are no icons to look at? I salute Mayor Suarez for his veto, and I ask you to
take a look at my home --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Castro: -- where people stop, they walk in, they don't know why they love it, or
Worth Avenue, or the great --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Castro: --places in New York. Thank you so much. Please consider my words.
Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Good morning.
Kathy Suarez Parks: Good morning. Here I am again. Kathy Suarez.
"Whitewashed, " that was a good one. All we keep talking about is the past. What
about the West Grove? What about the displaced, the demo by neglect, and the
irresponsible spending? The West Grove residents, the Bahamians that built it
weren't even allowed to enter the building. They couldn't use it. This is ridiculous.
There's been years and years and years of opportunity to raise money and do
something about this. I'm going to be 62 years old, and I think that this should have
been done a long time ago. I think it's disgusting it sat this long, but it has. And the
longer it sits, the worse it gets. We have no right to this building. This building
belongs to the State property, and the County and FIU have the lease. Somebody is
going to push this too far and we're going to see who's in charge, and that scares me.
If the other side has a plan, they need to show with the money. The County has the
money. And it's embarrassing to see people that look like me constantly stand up and
constantly want, want, want, want, want the past. The past is gone. We need to move
on. I'm tired of people calling me and asking me, "Ms. Kathy, 20 million for a
playhouse?" Now they want to spend 40. I never saw one dollar of that displaced
money that was promised. 360 million was set aside by this Commission. 10 percent
went to hands immediately off the top, and no one got that money, because no one
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understood that they had to stay in the City. But there was no housing in the City. I'm
asking you to please move forward and let this building and something happen so we
can move forward and we can start using money --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Parks: -- to do something about the people in this community besides live in the
past. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Good morning.
Katherine Brookshier: Hi. I'm Katherine Brookshier. I live at 2944 Bird Avenue.
There's no way to justify the nearly complete demolition of one of the oldest and most
famous structures in South Florida; in Coconut Grove, particularly, which is the
oldest community, the original settlement of Miami. Coconut Grove Playhouse is a
critical home for artistic expression and classical theater. It is a place that has been -
- not been condemned structurally and maintains adequate original design and
foundation to inspire preservation rather than demolition. Protecting this venue from
demolition is protecting our City's identity. There is a public demand worldwide for
intimate venues for the performing arts, and I am proud to be a resident of the City
that is recognized for its remarkable cultural diversity. And it should go without
saying that all of the cultures in Miami hold a deep love and respect of theater, live
musical performance, and art of all mediums. This theater can house as many people
as we can fit in it. To demolish it and build it as 300 seats is despicable. It is
imperative to get our playhouse restored and reopened as soon as possible. This
historic venue will lose allure if torn down and built as new. I believe that the people
of Miami and the thousands who visit each year will flock to this amazing venue that
has been such a special gem in the community for decades when it is restored and
built as closely as possible to its originality. Historic preservation has not -- has been
taken very seriously by scores of communities across this great nation, and it has been
executed successfully and proven to thrive. Let Miami follow the lead of those
communities and cities throughout the rest of the country, and preserve and repair the
playhouse as it stands. The definition of the word, 'preservation," according to any
dictionary, does not include the word, "demolition." Please support the veto of the
Mayor. Thank you very much.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Sylvan Seidman: Good morning. My name is Sylvan Seidman. I live in Miami -Dade
County. I served for 22 years as a counselor at New World School of the Arts, and as
such, proudly became adopted by Terrell McCraney as a godparent. And just
parenthetically, Terrell, who currently is Chairman of the Yale Playwrighting [sic]
Program, MFA, supports the County plan. But I would urge all of you to use a mental
GPS (global positioning system) on this. You have two paths: One is to approve the
County plan. It's been vetted, revised, it's ready to go. Or you can set your GPS to a
vague plan, bigger theater, no financing, and a 700 -seat theater, which will not work.
So if you voted in favor of the County plan, I urge you, stay on that path and vote to
override the Mayor's veto. If you voted against the plan, I urge you to use your GPS.
Ask it to recalculate, because if your GPS doesn't recalculate, there's going to be
nothing on that site. And as Michael Putney said recently, if this plan is not adopted,
if the County plan is not adopted, it would be a travesty. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you, sir. Good morning.
Jonathan Rose: Jonathan Rose, Five Island Avenue, Miami Beach, Florida 33139.
I've been here most of the times that you've met -- that other organizations have met,
and it's always been a disappointment. The County plan needs to be approved. The
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veto needs to be overridden. And don't let this be another disaster, like the Miami
Stadium vote.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Sally Stern: Good morning, Honorable Mayor Suarez and Commissioners Hardemon
and Russell. I want to thank you, Mayor, for your veto; and Commissioners, for
voting against the appeal, thank you very much. Today I'm standing before you to ask
you to uphold the Mayor's veto. At the last hearing, speakers were asked to raise
their right hand and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
However, the prevaricators on the opposing side chose to go against that invocation.
Gimenez facts: Mayor Gimenez, Michael Spring, and Arquitectonica say they have a
plan for preserving the playhouse, keeping its historic designation and character, and
keeping the cost within $23 million. Truth: The County has an outline, not a plan.
How can they know the cost of the new playhouse/shopping center/offices without
detailed renderings and specific cost? Their plan could run $50 million. Who is
going to pay for that? What are they hiding from us? Why do they fight so hard to
show the Commission -- to not show the Commission specific drawings and figures?
Use your imagination. Gimenez facts: The Coconut Grove Playhouse will retain its
historic designation and significance with the County's plan. Truth: Florida
Department of State and the Division of Historic Preservation told both Mayor
Gimenez and Spring, and showed them in writing that that's completely false. I
actually spoke to Dr. Parsons on Monday. The Department of State letter specifically
says, in quote -- I only have about 30 seconds more -- "The demolition of the
playhouse structure is not consistent with preservation and if only the south and east
facades are left standing, Coconut Grove Playhouse will no longer possess its historic
character and integrity, or designation. "
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Stern: I spoke with Mayor Gimenez personally, and he told me that was untrue;
designations, laws, expert findings were all untrue --
Chair Russell: Your time is up.
Ms. Stern: -- as he apparently the arbiter --
Chair Russell: Ma'am --
Ms. Stern: -- of his own truth, laws and expert --just -- I have a --
Chair Russell: -- I'm sorry. I apologize. I know you have a lot of points.
Ms. Stern: Please respect the historic beauty of our community and the voters who
voted a $50 million bond issue to preserve and restore Coconut Grove Playhouse.
And like Superman said --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Stern: --truth, justice, and the American way. Thank you very much.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Stern: Please save our playhouse. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Good morning.
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Marlene Irving: Good morning, everyone. My name is Marlene Irving. I'm a 35 -
year resident of Coconut Grove. I'd like to thank Commissioner Russell and
Hardemon for their upholding vote at the last Commission meeting on the Historical
Preservation Board, and I'd like to thank Mayor Suarez for his vetoing of the
Commission's decision. I'm here to urge you to uphold that veto. And I just have one
question that I would like to ask is: Why did Dade County decide to devote less than
one third of this entire project, excluding parking, to a theater and two thirds to
retail? Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Amalia Caputo: Hi. My name is Amalia Caputo. I'm a visual artist, living in the
Grove since 2003. My kids went to Plymouth Pre -School and Coconut Grove
Elementary. I had the opportunity to see, among other plays, Eve Ansler, Full House.
All the time I had trouble finding tickets. I fully support the veto of Mayor Suarez.
The idea of having another shop and another high-end apartment building sicks me
[sic]. More than half of the stores of the Grove are closed and have been closed for
years. I have seen disappear the Bahamian neighborhood to gigantic duplex homes.
I have seen hundreds of hundred -year-old oaks cut down and destroying the canopy
that Coconut Grove stands for, and not only being it an environmental issue that we
need to preserve, as well. I've seen Coconut Grove totally disappear to high-rise
buildings. I -- take, for example, a city like Barcelona, who had a theater that burnt
down -- the Liseo -- and it was very old, and it got recon -stored -- restored. And
being --preserving does not mean living in the past. Preserving lives -- means living
towards the future, and standing for our history and what we represent. All the
arguments that are fav -- in favor of demolishing and building a small theater just
state that the past administrator was not good or that the architecture is not relevant.
History is not about that. History is about -- what makes history is the people that
live in a city that are happy, and having a life that -- a city that takes care of their life;
not the money -driven another -- yet another shopping mall and another office
building that was going to be only in favor of a few. If you erase the theater, you
erase the history of the Grove. And to think that this is only about the Grove is
insane. This is about the City of Miami. You want to be a first -world city, you have to
preserve, also; you don't have to do "tabla rasa. " Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Guillermo de la Paz: Good morning. Guillermo de la Paz, 3441 Charles Avenue. I
live in the same sidewalk that the playhouse is, and I heard a lot of misinformation
here. No one is going to demolish the playhouse under the County plan. We only
talking about the auditorium, which is a big square box on the back. The building, it
will stay the same. But I'm not here to talk about the building. I'm talking -- I am
here to talk about people. What is the impact that this building has in the West
Grove? Well, guess what? We have not only the playhouse. We have the Ace
Theater, which is -- happen to an historic theater -- closed. We have holes on the
streets. We have shootings on the streets. The last shooting, a guy was shot 12 times.
The biggest hazard that any neighborhood can have is not building; it's the people.
How can we tell a young man from the West Grove that he deserve a building that is a
theater closed for 13 years -- not six months -- 13 years? How can we explain to my
son, that I walk every day to the gym that the rats coming out of that building are
about two feet high? Never seen a rat so big. That the people go to the roof to do
drugs. And the question that the Commission and the Mayor have to think is, if the
best way to honor an architect or two architects is to have a building like that? If the
answer is "no, " preserve the fund, build something new in the back, and let's bring
people --young men from the West Grove --from every part of the City of Miami, and
embrace into art; not in politics. Thank you.
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Chair Russell: Thank you. Good morning.
Amanda Harford: Good morning. My name is Amanda Harford. I live in 4410
Brighton Place, and I am in support of upholding the veto. Before I start, I'd like to
thank all the Commissioners, the City Mayor; all the government officials that are
here, as well as all the citizens that take time out of their day to come and express
their opinions. I want to start with a survey that everybody keeps talking about; that
74 percent of the district is in support of the County's plan. I was never asked about
this survey, so I dug into it. The sample size of the population that they used was
actually less than I percent of the population. It was actually 0.2 percent of the
population. Under Findings, the percentage error is ridiculously high; it's 97
percent. So it's kind of bogus. The other thing I'd like to talk about is the National
Register. Okay, this is not a legal standing. They're not legal expectations or
standards, but the HEP Board's job is to protect and preserve history. The nation has
found that the Coconut Grove Playhouse holds national significance to US (United
States) heritage. They've recommended that we restore in its entirety, interior and
exterior, to either 1927 or its late 1950 structure. I'd also like to talk about the money
and I -- for a second. I am part of the younger generation, and my generation likes to
spend their money on experiences. I live in the Grove, and it is barren, but all of my
friends love the Grove. People come from all over to hang out in the Grove. We --
that's how we like to spend our money. Furthermore, I agree; I do think that the West
Grove needs to be involved. I think the Bahamian settlers that built that Grove -- that
playhouse and weren't allowed in that playhouse should be recognized and they
should be honored, and this should be about them. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Next speaker, please.
Jenine Agala: Hello. My name is Jenine Agala, and I am for the veto. I am -- I was
extremely fortunate as a young child to have experienced the Coconut Grove
Playhouse. I spent many summers there in the theater, in that cement box,
quote/unquote. Once those lights were turned on and a young child was on that
tremendous stage, there is a visceral experience that is difficult to equal in a smaller
space commonly found. I -- as a mom, I'm getting pretty tired of driving around the
City and pointing out places to my kids of what things -- how things used to be.
"Look, son. You see that CVS? That is where your great-grandfather opened up his
first bake shop and made the first guava pastries of Miami. " I am tired of driving
around and telling the kid -- my kids about wonderful structures that were here,
history that is -- they can look up in a book. I'd like to be able to take them to the
Coconut Grove Playhouse. I'd like for them to walk into the grand structure of that
and experience what I experienced as a child. I saw Laney Kazan (phonetic) perform
in Gypsy there. It's something that I remember today. You can't do that in a 300 -seat
theater. I thank you for your time, and I urge you -- This is not about the past; this is
about the future. And as a mom, our kids deserve this. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
(Applause)
Chair Russell: No, no, no. Thank you. Good morning.
Arva Moore Parks: Hello. My name is Arva Parks. I live at 1240 Southwest 17th
Terrace. I am very much -- like to talk about the Coconut Grove Theater and not the
Coconut Grove Playhouse. The theater opened in 1927, and it was open for about 40
years. And I have to say, I may be one of the few people in the room that actually
went there. In fact, to give you an idea of how long ago it was, I saw Lassie Comes
Home there, when I was a little girl. I was awed by the interior, and a few days ago,
Dade Heritage Trust had something at the Olympia. We sat on the stage, and as I
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looked at the Keno and Elliott designed Olympia, which is also the playhouse, I was
very impressed with many of the features that remain that are also in the Olympia,
regardless of what George Hernandez said. And I usually agree with him, but I did
not on that. I did my thesis on Coconut Grove in 1971, and I got to know many of the
pioneers, fortunately. One of them was Estelle Overstreet, who worked as the
assistant to the first Mayor when Coconut Grove was actually a City. She went
berserk when it went out, and they said that the theater was built with saltwater sand,
and she proved otherwise; and, of course, it wasn't. It was built -- and I was part of --
when I went back in it, after all those years, I went to the playhouse, I went -- I
belonged to all the various playhouses, but it was when I went back in recently as a
preservationist, and I looked around, and I saw all that remained. There's a lot that
remained. And I said, "Look at" -- Willy Gort, there was a time in the City where he
was the only one that ever voted for preservation, and we thank him, because very few
things -- many things have -- saved because of that vote. I just want to remind you,
and I will finish, there were not three votes to save the Biltmore Hotel. I told that to
someone the other day, and they rolled their eyes and said they couldn't believe it.
Dorothy Thompson changed her vote. I'm particularly distressed about the lightbox
that has no place there. And so, I hope that you all will vote to uphold the veto --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Parks: -- and use the Secretary of Interior Standards on restoring the playhouse
and the National Register.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Ms. Parks: Thank you.
Chair Russell: Good morning.
Cornelia Corky Dozier: Good morning. Honorable Mayor, Chairman Russell,
Commissioners, my name is Corky Dozier, and I am a 50 year veteran of the arts, as
professional. I came to the Coconut Grove Playhouse as union representative from
Actors Equity Association to integrate the Coconut Grove Playhouse. By
"integration, " I just don't mean those blacks that were a part of that production that
we call, "Don't Bother Me, I Can't Cope, " but integrating the theater for all people. I
am Coconut Grove. I am a creative. A creative has no color. But people forget that
when the playhouse opened with that integration experience, for the first time, people
in the West Grove, people from all over our communities, from an international
standpoint, really felt that this is a theater for them; a theater for all, and many
different experiences occurred; not just theater, but a performing arts venue; that's
music. People forget that it was a cinema, a music palace, a movie palace. People
forget that it was the very first art gallery that existed right there in Coconut Grove.
It is the icon and the essence of who we are as a creative experience; the people that
we talk about when we say, "We are Grovites. " Yes, Coconut Grove Playhouse is at
question, but what is more at question is, are there jobs? Is historic preservation
being looked at and are jobs being created? The new amendment for historic
preservation addressed job creation; addressed all of the opportunities for inclusion.
I am because you are, and I support the Mayor's veto.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Mr. Kurland.
Nathan Kurland: Nathan Kurland, Coconut Grove resident. Commissioners, ladies
and gentlemen in the audience, 13 years; 13 years, no theater; over 4,700 days of
dark theater; 4,700 days. I'm a 50 year member of Actors Equity. I want theater in
my community. I attend GableStage; I attend Miracle Mile; I attend the Arsht Center,
both the black box and the main stage, but I have to go elsewhere in order to have
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theater in my community. I respect the opinions of those of you, my neighbors. I
respect your opinion to want a bigger theater and a restored theater. Arva Moore
Parks, we were together on that stage in 2012, when we ran, "Give it Back. " It just
kept the theater out of hock to get the theater returned so that we could move forward,
and we were successful in that. What we have not been successful in is moving this
particular County plan forward so that we can again have theater in Coconut Grove.
Commissioner Hardemon, truthfully, many of us have really believed this is about
you, sir. Three of the Commissioners voted for the County plan; you and
Commissioner Russell voted against. We would like to ask you, sir, to help us bring
theater back to Coconut Grove. I'm in favor of overriding the Mayor's veto. Thank
you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Carmen Pelaez: Good morning. I'm Carmen (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Pelaez, and I am
thankful --
Unidentified Speaker: I just want to say I'm yielding my time to her.
Ms. Pelaez: Oh.
Chair Russell: Okay, that's fine.
Ms. Pelaez: We've got Christmas in May; how wonderful. First, I want to address
the Mayor's comment about the fagade and the back wall. I don't know if he's ever
actually been to theater, but what happens inside the theater is very important, right?
That's why we all care; that's why it's not a warehouse, Mr. Carollo. I've been to
many backstage --back walls of theaters, and they're never pretty. They're not meant
to be pretty, because what's beautiful is what happens inside. It's a humanity that's
reflected. If the only part of a theater that were historic or what happened outside, I
would have saved a lot of money on tickets, and I probably would have gone into
another career, because I wouldn't have made any money as a theater maker. This
idea that the County wants to preserve and we're holding them back, and the theater's
falling apart -- If you're worried about mold in the theater, the County has the power
to turn the air conditioner on. If they're worried about rats, the County has the power
to call an exterminator. If they're worried about it falling apart, the County had the
power to put up protections when the hurricanes were coming, and they didn't. So
they're being very disingenuous, and they're disrespecting your intelligence and your
ability to observe a duck, and call it a duck. I mean, Commissioner Hardemon, you
asked about seats. A 300 -seat theater is going to limit income ability, period; that's
why these other theaters are asking for more. It costs almost the same to run a 300 -
seat theater as it does a 700 -seat theater. The reason viability is important as part of
preservation is -- because the County brought it up first. They say we don't have
money. They say we don't have plan. We have money, and we have a plan. Just
because they say it doesn't make it so. 90 percent demolishing a building does not
count as preservation, but that goes along with the rest of their funny math. That goes
along with the rest of the way they're structuring this deal, and it's not right. How
many times are they going to take advantage of us? They get overrun on every single
project. They've never been -- brought in a project in by budget. Commissioner
Reyes, your fiscal responsibility is admirable. You're giving us a new park right
across the street from my house. But not everybody only loves a park. Theaters
matter; it's where we commune; it's where we see ourselves; it's where we see our
past and our future. We do not scale the building to the abilities of the man. We scale
the man to the possibilities of the building. If a 300 -seater is -- a 300 -seat theater is
all GableStage can handle, then GableStage should stay in a 300 -seat theater; not
take over an institution.
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Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Ms. Pelaez: Thank you very much, guys.
(Applause)
Ms. Pelaez: I support --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Pelaez: -- the veto.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Richard Fendelman: Richard Fendelman, owner of the Coconut Grove Arts Cinema.
I am donating my time to the greatest historical preservationist/architect.
Melissa Meyer: Melissa Meyer, 25 year resident at 3161 Ohio Street of the Village
West in Coconut Grove; architectural designer and professor of architecture, and I
am donating my minutes to Richard J. Heisenbottle, historic theater preservation
expert. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Six minutes, please.
Richard Heisenbottle: No, I did not put 20 -dollar bills in each of their pockets.
Commissioner Hardemon: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Mr. Heisenbottle: Good morning, Mayor Gimenez, Mayor Suarez, Mr. Chairman,
Commissioners, and member of the audience. And for the record, my name is Richard
Heisenbottle, FAIR (Fellow of the American Institute of Architects), and I'm President
of RJ Heisenbottle Architects, with offices at 2199 Ponce de Leon Boulevard, in
Coconut Grove. I am here in support of the Mayor's veto. And as you will recall, the
County's appeal -- or at the County's appeal earlier this month, I, along with my
colleagues, Preservation Architect Rick Gonzalez; and Arva Moore Parks, next to me
-- a renowned historian -- all spoke to you and provided clear and competent
testimony and evidence that your HEP Board did not err in denying the County's
application for Certificate of Appropriateness; that they did not err, because beyond
the shadow of a doubt, they heard the same clear and competent testimony that you
heard; that the County's plan does not meet the Secretary of the Interior Standards
and Guidelines for the Restoration of Historic Structures. Moreover, you heard the
State Historic Preservation Officer, the highest authority in the State of Florida, opine
by letter, saying the exact same thing. This testimony is and was the legal backbone
that is required for approval or denial of any COA (Certificate of Appropriateness)
under Chapter 23 of the Miami City Code. Your Historic Preservation Board heard
it, and voted to deny the County's COA request. The Commission heard it, and you
voted; and Mayor Suarez heard it, and he vetoed. Now I'm not going to repeat myself
today and go through that same sort of testimony, but I would like to address some of
the comments and thoughts that are in Mayor Gimenez' letter that was sent to you
yesterday. You heard from the County Mayor essentially a threat; that if something
doesn't happen now, nothing will occur for years, or forever. I would say -- I would
tell you not to succumb to that sort of a threat. This is simply not the case. Every
candidate for Mayor supports the restoration of the Coconut Grove Playhouse. This
project will get done in one form or another. Let's make sure it gets done right. In
the letter to you, Mayor Gimenez implies that the Historic Preservation Board didn't
have the right to deny the Certificate of Appropriateness application, when all of you
know it most certainly did have the right. They have every right; that is their charge.
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He claims that the Historic Preservation Officer Warren Adams, who is standing
behind us over there somewhere, recommended approval. Well, he did recommend
approval, but later on, he went on to explain to you that -- at the last meeting -- that
his recommendation was based upon a false misunderstanding of the previous actions
of the board, and he corrected himself. You can ask him again if necessary. Mayor
Gimenez goes on in his letter to tell you that Miami -Dade County's Preservation
Officer performed an independent analysis, and concluded that the COA, as
proposed, met all of the applicable historic preservation standards. Do any of you
really think that the County's Historic Preservation Officer is really independent? Do
you think that she may somehow know more than the State Historic Preservation
Officer or more than Arva Parks; or more than Rick Gonzalez, who sits on the
Florida Historical Commission and the National Register Nominating Committee?
When the SHPO (State Historic Preservation Office) and Mr. Gonzalez tell you that if
you go forward with the COA, the building will be de -listed from the National
Register of Historic Places, rest assured, it will be de -listed from the National
Register of Historic Places. You also heard the testimony of Ellen Uguccioni, the
City's former Historic Preservation Officer, who wrote the -- what I have termed "a
flawed Historic Designation Report. " But Ellen said herself -- and I quote -- "I'm also
a bit chagrined at myself, because at the end of the report, I made a statement, 'Only
the south and east fagades are distinctive,' which has led, I think, to people assuming
that I was saying that only the east and west fagades are important, and therefore, we
don't need to worry about the building envelope itself. I want to make it clear that my
intent was certainly to include the entire building in the Historic Designation Report.
When we designate historic buildings, we don't just do the envelope or what's seen
from the front. I didn't receive" -- "it didn't receive its significance from being just
two walls. It's an entire history of what happened inside this building, " end of quote
from Ellen. Every film, from Lassie that Arva saw there, through my old favorite,
when my wife fell in love with me during Cyrano de Bergerac, each play that was ever
performed there is part of this history. The legacy of the playhouse, the heart and
soul of Coconut Grove, needs to continue; most certainly, not as a new 300 -seat
theater, with an old facade set in the midst of a retail and office development twice its
size, but rather as a restored theater, continuing its legacy of theatrical and artistic
excellence. The entire community -- preservationists, theater enthusiasts, and all
community stakeholders -- can mobilize behind and support the Mayor's veto today.
By supporting Mayor Suarez' veto, you are telling Mayor Gimenez to embrace the
spirit of compromise; a compromise that saves the playhouse and saves the
neighborhood --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Mr. Heisenbottle: -- a compromise that can be supported by the entire community.
Thank you all very much.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Are there any other people here to speak on
the veto?
Unidentified Speaker: (INAUDIBLE).
Chair Russell: You'd like to speak on the veto? Would you like a--?
Irene Monroe: Irene Monroe, resident of Coconut Grove. I give my time to Mike
Eidson.
Nancy Vogio: Nancy Vogio, 3316 Devon. I'm giving my time to Mr. Eidson.
Chair Russell: Thank you. But before you speak to us, one gentleman who wasn't
able to approach the lectern, he had a comment to make.
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Jesus Bello: I would like to support the Mayor's veto. As a young man, I happened --
My name is Jesus Bello, 3301 Northeast 5th Avenue. I have wonderful memories of
the Coconut Grove Playhouse as a young man; saw Marlene Dietrich, and Shirley
MacLaine. So that is a wonderful experience, and I support Mayor's -- the Mayor's
veto, all represent [sic]. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much, Mr. Bello.
Mr. Hannon: Chair, if we could get the speaker's name?
Chair Russell: He -- Could you say your name again, sir?
Mr. Bello: Jesus Bello.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Now if there's -- are there any other --? Not yet; we have
one more speaker. I heard them; they already yielded their time. There were two
people; is that right?
Unidentified Speaker: (INAUDIBLE).
Chair Russell: If -- he wasn't sworn in earlier. Todd, if you could administer the
oath, please.
Mr. Hannon: Good morning, sir.
The City Clerk administered oath required under City Code Section 62-1 to those
persons giving testimony.
Mr. Hannon: Thank you, Chair.
Chair Russell: Six minutes, please.
Mike Eidson: My name is Mike Eidson. I'm an attorney with Colson Hicks Eidson in
Coral Gables, and I live in the Park Grove Condominium, Apartment 502. I have
lived in Coconut Grove area for 45 years. And I'm here to testify today on behalf of
upholding the Mayor's meto -- the Mayor's veto. This has always been about
preservation. If you go back 13 years when the County concocted this plan, when
they first concocted this plan to build a 300 -seat theater there and give it to someone
who was operating a theater in Coral Gables, they knew that they had to tear down
this auditorium in order to put the 300 -seat theater. I don't think there's any real
question about that. They have been pursuing this for 13 -- 12, 13 years. For six
years -- six years ago, the State agreed to send it to the County and FIU, and for six
years, they have not touched this building. So they like to say that the building looks
terrible, because in 12 years, they haven't spent a dime on the building, inside or out,
so it will look like it looks today; quite dilapidated and ignored, this faded lady from
the past. It will be 100 years old in seven years. In England, you couldn't tear this
theater down. In England, they would restore this, because they have these different
categories of old buildings. They like to keep their past. This is one of the last
buildings in the '20s that we have left in this City, and it's probably, if it was restored
correctly, the most important building in Coral Gables -- in Coconut Grove. And by
moving a theater from Coral Gables to here does not change anything. I guess if
they're going to bring great theater here, with this theater coming, that means Coral
Gables is going to lose great theater, right? So we have a sum zero here by making
this move over here and spending $55 million. What are we spending --? That's the
value of the land and the money they want to put into this. To me, this looks like
Coco Walk IT How long did that last? About 25 or 30 years. Somewhere in there is
going to be a theater. You've got the old building they say they're going to restore
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stuck onto a modern building that's going to house 300 seats, and in front of that is
some rock, and then they got a bunch of stores and apartments. It's going to be hard
to even find the theater in there. It's not going to be the important theater that this
theater was. In 2014, we decided to form the Coconut Grove Playhouse Foundation,
a 501(c)(3), recognized by the Internal Revenue Service Non -Profit Corporation, to
study the possibility of reopening this as an important national theater again in the
old building; if that wasn't sound, then an enlarged theater building there. This was
the most important cultural institution in this City for decades. Up to the time that
they went out of business in 2006, they were drawing up to 125, 000 people, who were
enjoying theater and being educated in the theater arts. It was one of the four or five
largest regional theaters in the country. This City that prides itself on being a
growing global city is the only cosmopolitan city in this country without a large --
without an important regional theater. They call it "lort,"L-O-R-T. We don't have
any here. They have two in Sarasota; they have one in Jupiter. I've been all over this
country and looked at these theaters, and talked to their directors to come up with the
plan that I'm about to show you, because they have said in this letter that you got last
night, this authoritarian letter that you got from the Mayor, that we don't have an
alternative plan. And I want to show you that we have not only an alternative; we
have the right alternative plan; a plan that we have put together over five years that
we're proud of, and that we can afford to implement here. We have done this the right
way. We set about proving methodically and deliberately over this period of time,
using the finest experts in the country, including AMS Theater and Planning in South
Fork, Connecticut, and Fisher (UNINTELLIGIBLE) in New York, and many -- I've
talked to nine different architects about how this might be done and whether this
theater can be restored, and whether it should be restored. So can we start with the
first slide?
Dennis Kerbel: Mr. Chair, Dennis Kerbel, Assistant County Attorney.
Chair Russell: Just one --just a moment, please. Please finish up.
Mr. Kerbel: No, Mr. Chair. At this point, respectfully, I have to object strenuously to
the idea that someone else is going to present a rival plan for this board's
consideration on the detail. There is --
Chair Russell: Can you stop this for some other time, please? There's two minutes
left of his public comment, so.
Mr. Kerbel: I understand, but this -- I just need to lodge the objection for the record.
It is outrageous for someone to come into a quasi-judicial proceeding on another
property -- another tenant or property owner's application and present a rival plan
that is not before you. I just need to lodge that; and with that, I'll sit. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Noted. Thank you.
Mayor Francis Suarez: Mr. Chair, if I may?
Mr. Eidson: Now that I've been interrupted --
Mayor Suarez: Mr. Chair, if I may?
Mr. Eidson: -- how much time do I have left?
Chair Russell: I'm sorry.
Mayor Suarez: May I?
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Chair Russell: You have two minutes left.
Mr. Eidson: Two minutes. Okay, start the slides.
Chair Russell: Mr. --
Mayor Suarez: No, no, go ahead. Let him finish.
Mr. Eidson: Okay. This over here is the look of the front of the restored playhouse.
Next slide. This is the front of the new Coconut Grove Playhouse, which has got a
building to the right, which is a educational and community outreach building. We
can afford to do this. We restore the entire theater to its 1926 condition, like we did
in Coral Gables for the Books 'N Books Building, and -- go ahead, Adam. And next,
on the left -- go to the next one, next one. That's the three different parts of this plan.
That's the inside. The next one is the small theater that we will build next to it. We
can afford to do this. The total cost of this is less than $50 million. If the City of
Miami puts in $10 million into this project, which we discussed with the last two
Mayors, we would have $36.5 million -- not 20 -- $36.5 million -- and we have 5 right
now. We have not done anything. If you read the letter, you'll see. Oh, by the way,
the letter mentions the fact that they're going to do a lot of things for the West Grove
and include them in this, which they're not. They're going to give them a path through
this project to walk into the Grove. They're going to also --they implied that the State
approved 300 seats, like the -- not -- the State suggested or improved 300 seats that
was -- had nothing to do with this. They put that in there. They wanted 300 seats.
They always wanted 300 seats. They cannot put 300 seats into the restored building,
and that's why we're here today. How can you award somebody who has spent 12
years trying to shove this down our throats, and is going to spend another five years
trying to build 300 seats here? I have done everything I can do here. I've put $2
million into this out of my own pocket, because I believe this is right. I love the plan.
I think this is a good plan. I think if not now, when? If not here, where? This is one
of the most important theater sites in this country. People all over the world are
going to reverberate to what we do today. This is a 100 year decision. This is not a
little decision about building a 300 -seat theater. It's about what we consider
important, what legacy we leave to our children, and I -- as I've said, I've done
everything I can do. I will be there to help anybody who wants to build the right thing
here. But at this point, I appreciate very much you giving me the time to speak here.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Unidentified Speaker: Okay.
Chair Russell: Do you need an additional two?
Mr. Eidson: Yeah, I could use another two minutes.
Chair Russell: Okay, two minutes, please.
Mr. Eidson: I think a very, very important -- we call this the Coconut Grove
Playhouse Center, and it's going to cost between 45 and $50 million. We have
cleared that with Sask International, which built the science museum. We know that's
what it cost. We own the land. It's going to cost about 45 to $50 million to build this.
As I said, we have $36.5 million now. If the governments -- we've got the State
Government, the Federal Government involved, putting up tax credits, $4.5 million; 2
from the State, for preservation; 10 from the City; 20 from the County, and we will
raise 20 million. In the last 14 years I have been in leadership at the Arsht Center, we
have raised over $100 million. You can check the records. I've been involved in this
for 25 years. This is my passion, and this is what I spend my time doing every day;
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reading this, and making sure we pay every single person. We have never missed a
performance. And we can afford to do this in this great -- this city that's aspiring to
greatness. This is a gap in our cultural offerings, and this is the last chance we're
going to have for decades to do this thing right. Thank you very much for letting me
speak. Oh, I didn't finish it. 30 -- $56.5 million is what we've put into this plan. We
would not stop there. We have raised $7 million for the Arsht Center in the last two
months. That's all money that supplements the Adrienne Arsht Center's operations
that allows us to do programs for people who are underserved in this community, like
the Ailey Camp for 150 kids every summer. We have --that is what we want to do in
Coconut Grove. We want everybody in this community participate in this. We don't
want this to be a theater that's open from 7 to 9, four or five days a week, and closed
22 weeks a year. We want this to be a center that we can afford here that's in the
right place, because Coconut Grove has got a brand all over the world. If you said
something to somebody about trying to save Coconut Grove in London, England, they
would know where it is, what it is, and why they're for you. So I appreciate the time
that you've given me here today.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Commissioner Carollo: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: Please ask to be recognized.
Commissioner Carollo: Mr. Chairman --
Chair Russell: Commissioner Gort's asking to be recognized. I apologize.
Commissioner Carollo: I -- if he could stick around here for a second.
Chair Russell: Just please --just --
Vice Chair Gort: I only have one question. You mentioned Adrienne Arsht Center,
correct?
Mr. Eidson: I was the President -- yes, sir.
Chair Russell: Commissioner Carollo.
Mr. Eidson: But I did more than that for the ballet over nine years that I was
President there.
Commissioner Carollo: You -- yeah. That caught my attention, too. You were the
President of the Adrienne Arsht Center, Chairman of --
Mr. Hannon: Sir, you need to make your comments on the record.
Commissioner Carollo: -- and you said you raised -- what? About 7 million?
Mr. Eidson: We're raising -- we're supposed to raise about 6.5 to $7 million a year
for our budget, and that's what we've raised every year --
Commissioner Carollo: I see.
Mr. Eidson: -- since we opened in 2006.
Commissioner Carollo: So you're real good friends with Adrienne Arsht, I suppose.
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Mr. Eidson: What?
Commissioner Carollo: You're good friends with Adrienne Arsht, I suppose.
Mr. Eidson: Well, I've worked with her. I can't say I agree with everything that she's
Commissioner Carollo: Well --
Mr. Eidson: -- you know -- wants to do, but we -- I have a great relationship with her,
actually.
Commissioner Carollo: Did anyone from the City in the last month or two ask you to
speak to Adrienne so she could open up her home for a little affair?
Mr. Eidson: If I asked anybody from the City --
Commissioner Carollo: No, no. Did anyone from the City of Miami ask you to speak
to Adrienne Arsht so that she could open up her home for a little affair?
Mr. Eidson: No, sir.
Commissioner Carollo: Okay.
Mr. Eidson: And I saw Adrienne at the gala that we raised -- I'd say we raised almost
$7 million -- it's probably closer to $6.2 million -- in donations, and money that we
raised at our gala. I can even tell you the people who made the donations. And at the
ballet, we raise 6 to $7 million a year for the 10 years that I was the President and the
Chairman. And I'm involved in these things on a daily basis. I don't just chair a
board. So I've worked very closely with Adrienne. Adrienne gave $30 million for the
Adrienne Arsht Center to put her name on that center, and to support what we have
done in this community by building that wonderful institution.
Commissioner Carollo: Well, I --
Mr. Eidson: Since that time, she's given another 6 million.
Commissioner Carollo: --have no problems with Adrienne. I know her. I know she's
given a lot to the community. I was just trying to put one final piece to a certain
puzzle that I won't deal with today.
Mr. Eidson: Thank you for asking; I appreciate it.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. And --
Commissioner Reyes: Mr. Chair?
Chair Russell: -- Mr. City Attorney, there was an objection filed with regard to the
public comment, because it brought up -- Mr. Mayor?
Mayor Suarez: Yeah. I just want to address the objection. The veto that I filed or
executed was based on the record and it was based on the decision of the HEP Board
and it was based on the County's plan, and no alternative plan. Thank you. I think
that should address the objection.
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Chair Russell: Thank you very -- and for the dais, I just want to make sure that we
also are not voting on a -- an alternative plan, even though it was presented in public
comments here. The veto is -- I mean -- I'm sorry. The -- it's already been a long day.
Commissioner Reyes: Mr. Chairman?
Chair Russell: It's been noted and -- but we will disregard the alternate plan in our
decision-making process regarding the veto.
Commissioner Reyes: Mr. Chair --
Chair Russell: Commissioner Reyes.
Commissioner Reyes: -- a point of information. And I will request that we table this
for now. I have to leave, and I have to -- a plane to catch, and I would like to see
RE. 14 before we --
Chair Russell: Thank you, Commissioner Reyes. I apologize, but by -- we must take
this up as the first substantive item --
Commissioner Reyes: Okay. So --
Chair Russell: -- of the day, and we cannot take up any other items until we dispense
with this one.
Commissioner Carollo: Well, no, that's fine. The only thing that I ask is if we're
going to be short a Commissioner, I, myself, have to leave at approximately --
Chair Russell: Please, please.
Commissioner Reyes: I had this trip before the Mayor vetoed it.
Commissioner Carollo: I have to leave at 3:30.
Chair Russell: Understood.
Commissioner Carollo: I'll be back as soon as I can.
Commissioner Reyes: Yes, sir.
Commissioner Carollo: So whatever items we have in the agenda that we're going to
be short a Commissioner, I'm going to be asking for deferrals, so.
Chair Russell: Listen, please. Everyone quiet. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) the City
Attorney.
Commissioner Carollo: I'm not asking for a deferral for this item. It's here.
Chair Russell: It's -- will be no deferring this item.
Commissioner Reyes: No. I will be -- I want to vote on this right now. I mean --
Chair Russell: All right. Let me clarify procedure. There will be and can be no
deferral of this item or reconsideration at another time.
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
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Chair Russell: It is the first item we have to take up, and we must dispense with it. If
no action is taken, the veto is sustained. The only action that can be taken at this
point is a motion to overturn the veto. And so, basically, we are finishing up our
public comment. We'll be as expedient as possible, because we don't want to lose you,
but we must take this item up.
Commissioner Reyes: That's right. But what I was asking is to vote. Get a --
Chair Russell: I wish we could.
Commissioner Reyes: --fast vote --
Chair Russell: Yeah.
Commissioner Reyes: -- I don't know, but I was informed that it was in agreement
with the statute -- I mean with the procedure.
Chair Russell: I'll be happy to hear an opinion on that, but I certainly don't want to
take any action here that would jeopardize --
Commissioner Reyes: No, it's --
Chair Russell: -- our decision on this playhouse issue at a higher court if we take up
other substantive items before, in violation of the law. Madam City Attorney. John?
John Greco (Deputy City Attorney): Mr. Chair, the City Code does state that this
item has to be considered today. It cannot be deferred to a different day. Also, it has
to be considered as it is. There --you can't impose an alternative plan; although, you
know, we have had evidence prior to this that relates to the feasibility of doing this,
and so on, and so forth. However, what the City Code does say, technically, is that
the Clerk is directed to place this on the next regularly scheduled Commission agenda
as the first substantive item for consideration --for Commission consideration, which
the Clerk has done. We have been considering this all morning. And technically, a
brief tabling would not be in conflict with that section; although I would emphasize
that the Code does indicate that it is to be the first substantive item for consideration,
so --
Commissioner Reyes: Okay. Then let's --
Chair Russell: Just a moment, please. I'm recognizing the Mayor.
Mayor Suarez: Thank you, Mr. Chair. If the County would waive its right to make a
procedural argument on the basis that we take up other -- you know -- other items, I
would be fine with taking up whatever other items the Commissioner wants to take up.
Commissioner Reyes: No, listen. If it is going to jeopardize anything --
Mayor Suarez: Right.
Commissioner Reyes: -- and I would not do it. I will allow my colleagues to -- I'm
very concerned about choosing the attorneys that's going to represent --
Mayor Suarez: And you have (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Commissioner Reyes: -- the City in the negotiation with the Mayor, a real estate
project that is going to be -- I mean, supposed to take place --
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Chair Russell: Right.
Commissioner Reyes: -- on Melreese. But if it is -- I mean, it's going to cause any
problem, I will humbly ask that somebody entertain a motion so we can talk. I can
give you my opinion on this, and maybe we can vote before I leave.
Chair Russell: You have to leave in 20 minutes, right?
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Chair Russell: All right. How are we with the County with regard to presentation of
your side of this item? Sorry.
Mr. Kerbel: We have a brief rebuttal. I want to make some legal points in response
to what we've heard, and the Mayor has a short closing.
Chair Russell: How many minutes?
Mr. Kerbel: Five minutes.
Chair Russell: Five minutes total?
Commissioner Reyes: You see --
Mr. Kerbel: Five minutes total.
Commissioner Reyes: Can we make our comments now? Because I --
Chair Russell: Not on another item.
Commissioner Reyes: No, no; on this item.
Chair Russell: On this item. I believe that we -- the way we should finish this up --
Barnaby Min (Deputy City Attorney): Commissioner --
Chair Russell: -- is allow the County their five minutes, and then we see if there's a
motion. And that's where we are.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay, okay, because I had -- I have some notes here, as
Commissioner Gort suggested, and one of my notes is that I have heard a lot about
that we are going to lose the designation, national designation, have had a national --
our place in the National Register of Historic Places. That's not so, because from -- if
we follow history, that we are following history, I am going to remind you what
happened with the Sears Building. The Sears Building was -- I mean, it was in the
National Register of Historic Places, and it was demolished, and the tower was
preserved, and still is a historic place, and still receives some -- I mean, receives
funds, Federal funds. You see, that argument -- and I think that it doesn't hold water,
but one thing that really, really bothers me is that we have used this veto, which is --
and I said it at the beginning -- it was particularly about the vote and about the
designation of the auditorium as historic. And I have heard, and heard the same
arguments, and I'm sorry that I've got to say this, but I have heard the same
arguments. We can build a 600 or 700, a thousand, and all of that. Well, if you can
do that and you can raise the money, go for it. But this is not what we are doing here.
If you want to raise the money and work with the County, and you're going to find the
patrons of the arts within our community that are willing to place more money and
they are going to support -- because it's not only building the playhouse. How are we
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going to support it and who takes ownership of the maintenance of that? Because I
don't want the City to take ownership and be responsible for any shortage that they
have in the operation that they would have to subsidize it. I will vote against that. I
mean, we have done that for too long, you see? But if you want to do it, just go right
ahead and do it. But the vote here is, is that historic? It is historic or it isn't historic?
And -- period. That's --I think that's the only thing that we should consider here.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Commissioner, that's again for our discussion. I'd like to
let the County finish their presentation. Is there anyone else before I close public
comment who would like to address this dais? All right. I'm closing public comment.
One more. Because once we start the County, we're going to ask questions of the
County and we'll be done with public comments. I want to make sure. If there's
anyone from the public who hasn't been heard who would like to be heard, this is the
moment. Okay, so we have two more for public comment.
Brenda Betancourt: Yeah, very fast. I'm support of the veto. Even though we want to
do more things, to build new stuff, I think that then in that case, I should knock down
my house from 1920 instead of be working and trying to get it restored every -- little
by little, because it's hard to find the right things, how to put it in old houses, older
structures, but I think that they are very important for our society, for our children.
Sometimes, we just think about a mall, another mall to go shopping; another thing to
go do something else. But sometimes it's important and responsible to restore
buildings to make sure that our children know what they did, those grandparents,
fathers; that they built things in this City. It's important for us to have it. The
restoration committee, most of the time, they don't have the power. If anybody wants
to buy something and they want to knock it down -- we see that every day in the City
of Miami -- it get knocked down. So if it's -- they want to save it, I would prefer for
you guys to actually vote for save it. That would be my preference, so I'm in favor of
the veto of the Mayor.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. And is there --? I saw one more hand. Sir, did
you want to speak?
Rommel Arrelan-Marinas: (INAUDIBLE).
Chair Russell: Sir, you need to do it on the record, and let us know your name.
Mr. Arrelan-Marinas: Yes, yes. But I collect all my information already. Rommel
Arrelan-Marinas, 441 Northeast 145th. I am in favor of the County's plan and to
override the Mayor's vote.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Closing public comment; last chance. Thank you all very
much for your advocacy. County.
Mr. Kerbel: Good morning, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Chair, Commissioners. Dennis Kerbel,
Assistant County Attorney, with offices at 111 Northwest 1st Street. I am privileged to
represent Miami -Dade County on this project, and I want to start by correcting some
misconstructions of the law in the record that have been presented. There's some
confusion, I think, in the public about -- let me start with the ballot. The ballot
question that actually went to the voters is: To construct and improve libraries,
cultural facilities, and Head Start Learning Centers for preschool children, to offer
multicultural educational opportunities and activities, described in Resolution
Number 91904, adopted July 20, 2004. Shall Miami -Dade County issue general
obligation bonds to pay cost of such projects in a principal amount not exceeding
$552,692,000; bearing interest not exceeding maximum legal rate; payable from ad
valorem taxes? That was the bond question. The bond question references a
resolution, and people have noted that there's an entry in that resolution regarding
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the Coconut Grove Playhouse. But the resolution is also clear that a majority vote on
the Board of County Commissioners following a public hearing can change those
projects. So nothing that we are doing here is inconsistent with the ballot language,
and I want that record to be clear. The second thing is we've heard a lot of talk about
a mall or a retail structure, and I want to reframe that discussion, because what we're
talking about here is commercial uses in the iconic front building. Commercial uses
in the iconic front building are what was there in 1927; that's how it was designed.
So to say that we are adding a mall is a misnomer. As for the other retail spaces,
your Miami 21 Zoning Code requires a liner building for the garage; that's the other
retail space. So to call this a mall is completely -- is a complete misnomer. We have
heard comments about the lease, and accusations that we are in breach of the lease.
First of all, that is not a consideration for this board; second of all, we are not in
breach of the lease. The State has not found that we are in breach of the lease. We
have had ongoing correspondence with them. The State has asserted accusations.
We have responded and said, "The lease, in fact, does not have set timetables. We are
not in any way in violation." They have not taken any action to find us in breach. So
it's not an issue before you, and it's also incorrect to make any accusations on that
front. In terms of the legal standard before you, I also -- and I'm sure that the
audience is not going to enjoy this -- I need to reiterate that this historic preservation
proceeding is a quasi-judicial review of an application based on a plan. It is not
legally an opportunity to revisit our business plan with the State. That is between the
County, Board of County Commissioners, FIU and their Board of Trustees, and the
State. So we've heard a lot of talk about it, but that's not properly before you. And so,
finally, let me re -center on what is the question before you. The legal question before
you is: Do we meet the standards for a Certificate of Appropriateness under your
Code? The testimony that you heard that was contrary to our plan is all premised on
the same error; and respectfully to the Mayor, it infects the veto entirely, and that is
the idea that the National Register designation in any way governs this. It is an
honor. We are intending to build a theater and restore great theater to this location.
The theater is important, but the National Register designation is premised on an
analysis of the interior of the building that is not preserved. The governing legal
standard here is your 2005 Designation Report. And by the way, for all the testimony
about what was in or what was not in, and what Ms. Uguchionni may have thought
about what she should have included, no one has addressed the main issue, which is
the interior was not preserved, and it was not preserved correctly. We've heard a lot
of talk -- in fact, Mr. Heisenbottle took a -- what I thought was an ad hominem attack
on the County's Historic Preservation Officer, Sarah Cote, who I need to personally
defend, because I work with her. She is of the utmost integrity. She did do her own
independent analysis of this project. She found much as the City's Preservation staff
did that we meet the actual standards. So Mr. Heisenbottle, who I should add, is a
frustrated bidder in this case -- he wanted to build this facility. He was not chosen for
the project. The person who was chosen for the project was George Hernandez. And
of all of the testimony that you've heard, there is not a single person who has assailed
George Hernandez' credibility or his assessments of the historic value of this building.
And he did a year-long analysis. And so with that, when you look at the right
standards, this project meets the standards for a Certificate of Appropriateness, and
there is no evidence to the contrary. And with that, I'll leave it to the Mayor to bring
this in for a landing. Thank you.
Mayor Gimenez: Thank you very much. And I just want to reiterate one thing -- a
couple of things, actually. Number one, Miami -Dade County is the only one that's
bringing any money to the table. I know we've had many promises --
Chair Russell: Please, please be quiet, everyone in the audience, please. Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Gimenez: -- by Mr. Eidson. Mr. Eidson and I have been in conversation for
years. You, the City Commission, gave Mr. Eidson three months to raise $20 million.
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He didn't raise a cent. I gave him time to raise $2 million. He never raised a cent.
So all this that, "I can raise and I can raise, and I can raise, " I'm sure he can, but
apparently not for this project, because he's been given opportunity after opportunity
after opportunity to raise funds for this project, and it hasn't happened. Miami -Dade
County is the only one that has a viable plan. Miami -Dade County will restore what
everybody knows to be the playhouse; the iconic structure, the iconic building in the
front that all of the photographs that we know of show, because nobody is going to
show the back. Nobody's going to show the -- you know -- what Commissioner
Carollo says, a Hialeah warehouse. Nobody's going to show that, because that is not
what is the iconic Coconut Grove Playhouse. The Coconut Grove Playhouse is on the
list of historic places. So was the Sears Tower, the Sears Building. The Sears
Building was also on the National Register of Historic Places, because it was actually
the first art deco building in Miami -Dade County. So what happened at the Sears
Tower, the Sears Building? The Adrienne Arsht Center was built behind it. Most of
the structure of the Sears Building is gone today. The Adrienne Arsht Center sits
there today where that was. There is one element that remains, and that one element
is the tower. And I hope that, you know, you can kind of zoom in on this, because
that's what it looks like today, the tower. It's still on the National Register of Historic
Places, and it was restored to its original look, the tower; not the rest of the building.
By the way, do you know who the architect of record was for this project? Richard
Heisenbottle. So for him to say that we cannot maintain our historic designation, that
we can't bring back the look -- the way that this looked back in 1927, restored to its
natural glory, and build a modern theater behind it is a little bit hypocritical on my
point of view. And so, I would hope that this Commission would find in its wisdom to
override the Mayor's veto so that we can get this project off the ground. We are ready
to go. Delays will cost us one, two, three years. And God knows, if the State takes it
back, because once we're done with our process, if we can't finish our project, then
probably the State will take it back. We don't know what's going to happen after that.
So please go ahead and vote. And hopefully, you will vote to override the veto, and
we can work together to bring great theater to Coconut Grove. Thank you very much.
Chair Russell: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Is there a motion to adopt Resolution R19-
0169, and become effective, notwithstanding the veto of the Mayor?
Commissioner Reyes: Excuse me.
Mayor Gimenez: I'm sorry, can I put this in the record?
Chair Russell: I'm just asking if there's a motion. Yes, you may submit that into the
record. I'm asking if there's a vote -- is there a motion to override the veto of the
Mayor?
Commissioner Carollo: There is a motion to override the veto of the Mayor.
Chair Russell: Is there a second?
Commissioner Reyes: Yes, there's a second.
Chair Russell: There's a motion and a second. Discussion amongst the dais. Mr.
Mayor, would you like to be recognized?
Mayor Suarez: Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I have not had an opportunity to speak on
this item. Obviously, I issued my veto memo, so I would ask for a little bit of latitude;
not too much, but a little bit. There's been hours and hours and hours of testimony by
all sides; by the County, particularly. And so I -- one of the things I want to do is I
want to have one of my staff members address the veto itself from a technical
perspective, and the Mayor's response to the veto, and the County's points relative to
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the legal standard, et cetera. But I have to begin before that -- I just have to -- by
reiterating or requoting the Mayor of Dade County, who -- and I quote -- just said,
"Miami -Dade County is the only person bringing money to the table. " That is a direct
quote. Anybody can pull the tape, rewind the tape, whatever you want to call it.
"Miami -Dade County is the only person bringing money to the table." Commissioner
Reyes and Commissioner Gort were very, very in the -- in their deliberation over
whether or not they would grant the Certificate of Appropriateness were very
concerned about what the City of Miami's obligations were. There's been a narrative
out there that there -- this is a $23 million plan that is fully funded that is the only
viable plan. That narrative has been out there. And I will tell you and I will show you
in my comments how that is relevant to the veto message, and is part of the standard
that we have to apply. To say that Miami -Dade County is the only person bringing
money to the table -- I don't even know where to start. The plan, the County's plan
contemplates -- the County's plan contemplates using $9 million from the Miami
Parking Authority, $9 million. I think it's 6 million from the Parking Authority and 3
million from the BID (Business Improvement District). That's City of Miami money,
number one. Worse than that, worse than that, it contemplates, their total -- their
entire plan contemplates a City contribution of $28 million for capital. Let me
reiterate that for all of you to hear this. $28 million for capital from the City of
Miami. The County's contribution is 22 or 23 million. I'm not exactly sure what the
exact number is. They are asking the City, under their plan, to contribute $28 million,
and an annual operating subsidy. Commissioner Reyes was very, very clear that he
did not want us subsidizing the theater. And the Mayor was very adept at getting
right up and saying, "Wait, wait, wait. Everything but the MPA (Miami Parking
Authority). " Of course, because the MPA is everything else. The MPA is a 450, 000
annual operating subsidy for the playhouse. That is City of Miami general fund
dollars. The $28 million -- which, by the way, 20 million of which is unaccounted for.
20 million of that is unaccounted for. In the County's plan, it is a 50 -- not a $23
million -- it is a $50 million plan, if you study the MOU, which is part of the record --
a $50 million plan; 23 million to build, by the way, a new 300 -seat theater. And I will
refer to something that Mr. Curbello talks about. I think it was his -- I want to say
Point Number 1, when he talks about the ballot language. The resolution that the
County passed, which is Resolution R-919-04, providing for and the holding of a
special bond election in Miami -Dade County, references an appendix, Appendix "A."
And in Appendix 'A," when you look at Project Number 299 -- Municipal Project
Location: Miami -- the project name is, "Improvements to the Coconut Grove
Playhouse." Improvements to the Coconut Grove Playhouse. GOB (general
obligation bond) funds would complement other funding to reconstruct the Coconut
Grove Playhouse to restore its structural identity and add to its performance and
educational capabilities; $15 million from that line item. Do you know how much the
County's plan right now contributes to preserving the Coconut Grove Playhouse; how
much County dollars? Zero. Zero. The entirety of the County's plan, the entirety of
the County's plan is predicated on the Miami Parking Authority, the City of Miami,
restoring the southern and eastern facades, and creating a little lobby area --
whatever you want to call it -- which, by the way, is going to have commercial --
commercialization in it -- at our cost; $5 million. The City of Miami is paying every
single penny; which is why I find it so interesting and bewildering that we sit here,
five and a half years after the lease was given to Miami -Dade County with nothing;
nothing to show for it. And I'm wondering, how can that be? And it's very obvious
when you look at the record, when you look at the MOU. It's because the City -- the
County never contemplated for them to contribute one penny for the restoration of the
faqades of the building; and so, that's why nothing has been accomplished -- or the
garage, by the way; that's why nothing has been done. I'm going to ask one of my
employees, Eddy Leal, to please make a presentation on the basis of the veto. And I
just want you to understand that the relevancy of that information, the reason why it is
relevant to the record is because our Code, our own Code states -- which, by the way,
it's also consistent with State Statute and is referred to in the Florida Department of
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State letter from their Preservation Officer. And I do agree with Mr. Curbello that we
should avoid ad hominem attacks; they should be avoided with reference to the
County's Preservation Officer, which, I'm sure, acted in good faith. They should also
be avoided with respect to Mr. Heisenbottle, which I think we all know has a stellar
reputation in this community. But if you look at the State's own letter, it talks about
the fact that there must be no feasible and prudent alternative to the proposed
demolition or alteration. That is State Statute. There must be no feasible and prudent
alternative. The County is the tenant, and you know how much money the County is
dedicating to the preservation of the playhouse? Zero; zero of its dollars. So I don't
believe that it meets that standard. And by the way, our Code -- and I hope I'm not
stealing all your thunder, Eddy -- which is Section 23-6.2, talks about Certificates of
Appropriateness that are issued when demolition is contemplated; the alteration of
existing structures. And it talks about the Secretary of Interior Standard for
rehabilitation and the guidelines, and there's obviously been testimony from probably
both sides on this issue. Obviously, I was persuaded by the competent and substantial
evidence in the record that the County's plan does not meet this standard. But one of
the components of that standard, Subsection 4, talks about unreasonable or undue
economic hardship. I've already explained to you that they haven't even dedicated
one dollar of their bond money to the restoration of the playhouse, so I don't think it
qualifies under that standard. But in addition to that, it talks about that they must
make a written statement presenting factual data that shall be in the form of a sworn
affidavit containing the following information. Frankly, a letter from the Preservation
Officer saying that they've analyzed a bunch of plans; which, by the way, maybe they
have, but none of it is in the record for us to see what they have supposedly analyzed.
I've asked our MPA Director; I've asked our Preservation Officer, "Is there anything
in the record" -- we scoured the record -- "that talks about this supposed plan that
they had that talked about them" -- "it not being feasible?" We couldn't find anything
in the record. And frankly, it's not enough that they make that statement. They have
to swear to it in an affidavit. And the reason why they have to swear to it in an
affidavit is because we're talking about historic property. We're talking about our
soul. We're talking about things that matter to people over the course of decades. So
we don't just allow people to demolish them without good reason. We make it
difficult. We -- there is a process. They have to go to the HEP Board. If they're not
happy with the HEP Board Certificate of Appropriateness, they have a right to
appeal, which they did. If they're not happy with that -- or the Mayor has the right to
veto that appeal. That's another part of the process. And this Commission has the
right to override that veto. That is another part of the process. It is a very
comprehensive process. The County has already indicated tome that they're going to
sue if the Mayor's veto is over -- upheld. The Mayor told me that on Friday in my
office. And so, to me, they don't respect the process. They don't respect the owner of
the property, which has said very clearly that the County and the City should meet,
which is why I reached out to the Mayor on Friday. I called him before I issued the
veto. I called him after I issued the veto. I saw him at an event, and I invited him to
my office to talk about how we could resolve this to preserve the playhouse. So, you
know, I -- that -- those are my introductory remarks. I have more remarks based on
the veto itself and based on the record, and based on the legal standards. But I will
defer to Mr. Leal for his comments. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Mr. Leal, I -- what I would like to do -- because I do believe the will of
this board is pretty ready to vote, but I imagine what you would like to proffer is
anything that will make the case on further appeal that happens; that you would like
things entered into the record so that whichever way this goes, you know, whichever -
- if there's a lawsuit that something's been placed in the record on behalf of the
Mayor. Is that what we're looking at?
Eddy Leal (Counsel to the Mayor): Yes, Chairman; that's correct.
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Commissioner Reyes: Mr. Chair?
Chair Russell: Yes.
Commissioner Reyes: Chair, the floor --and I want to know what's your position and
Mr. Leal: I'm a staff member for the Mayor.
Commissioner Reyes: You're staff member for the Mayor. Okay, okay.
Mr. Leal: Thank you, Commissioner.
Commissioner Reyes: And you are an attorney, also, right?
Mr. Leal: Yes.
Commissioner Reyes: Yeah, because I remember you from the --from that --
Mr. Leal: We've before your -- this Commission --
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Mr. Leal: -- and I think as a --
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Mr. Leal: -- and I'm happy to be before you on a different --
Commissioner Reyes: From the Babylon.
Mr. Leal: Yes, Commissioner.
Commissioner Reyes: Yes. I remember you from the Babylon.
Commissioner Carollo: Oh, the Babylon.
Commissioner Reyes: Yes.
Commissioner Carollo: I knew that face was familiar.
Mr. Leal: Hopefully a friendly face.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Mr. Leal: Hopefully a friendly face.
Commissioner Carollo: The old Scarface building.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Gentlemen, time is of the essence. I'd love to wrap this
up. We're really close.
Commissioner Carollo: I didn't catch your full name. What is your full name?
Mr. Leal: Eddy Leal.
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Commissioner Carollo: Eddy Leal.
Mr. Leal: E -D -D -Y,• L -E A -L.
Commissioner Carollo: And what is your title?
Mr. Leal: Uh --
Commissioner Carollo: Your title; I know you're an employee but --
Mr. Leal: Counsel for the Mayor.
Commissioner Carollo: Counsel for the Mayor?
Mr. Leal: Yes.
Commissioner Reyes: Legal counsel for the Mayor?
Mr. Leal: I am a legal -- I am a licensed attorney in the State of Florida; I'm a
licensed attorney in the State of New York; I'm a licensed attorney in North Carolina.
I took and passed those bars. I am an AV Preeminent rated attorney. I have --
certified as a rising star super lawyer.
Commissioner Reyes: Oh, man, you're a super lawyer, but I just asked a simple
question. I mean --
Chair Russell: All right. Please, gentlemen.
Mr. Leal: I could keep going if you --
Commissioner Reyes: All -- with all that pedigree, I don't know what the hell you're
doing working for the Mayor.
Chair Russell: All right. Gentlemen, please. Gentlemen, gentlemen --
Mr. Leal: I don't work for the -- I did this because I want to help, and I want to be a
proud member of our City, and that's why I'm here.
(Applause)
Commissioner Reyes: That's good. That is good.
Mr. Leal: Just like you; just like you and everybody here.
Commissioner Reyes: I wanted -- I just wanted to know what was your -- what's your
title and if -- your title. I don't know if the Mayor wanted an alternative to come with
us --
Commissioner Carollo: I'm confused.
Chair Russell: Please, let's get his comments on the record so we move on, please.
Commissioner Carollo: I just want to get your official title again. I'm a little
confused.
Mr. Leal: Counsel for the Mayor.
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Commissioner Carollo: So that's your official title --
Mr. Leal: Yes.
Commissioner Carollo: -- counsel for the Mayor?
Mr. Leal: Yes.
Commissioner Carollo: Okay. Well, we'll deal with that at another time. This is not
for this time.
Mr. Leal: Be happy to, Mr. Carollo.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Mr. Leal: Let's get to the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) of (UNINTELLIGIBLE) before --
Chair Russell: Please, how much time do you need to make your statements?
Commissioner Carollo: Absolutely.
Mr. Leal: Thank you. I think my remarks will be very brief, so I would ask three
minutes. And the issue here that I want to address is the due process claims and the
application of the supposedly wrong law that was apparently misapplied by the HEP
Board. As we know, the Mayor's veto, what it does is reinstate the HEP Board's
decision. It is crucial that -- I know we've mentioned it, but it is crucial that this
decision has to be guided by quasi judicial factors. So I know we hear about urgency
being a factor. Urgency is not a factor that can be considered and should not be
considered. It has to be a process. And to the extent that substantial and competent
evidence is necessary to support the vetoes, it is supported. The appeal should have
been denied. And this is one of those "sexy" topics that only attorneys like to talk
about, which is jurisdiction, butt know that it's important, because for a court to have
jurisdiction, it has to first make sure that it has jurisdiction. In order for the City to
issue permits, it has to have jurisdiction over that property. Everybody recognizes
that jurisdiction is a big, important topic. Now, the denial up here should have
occurred because the appeal was premature. It was an unperfected appeal.
Jurisdiction can be raised at any point in the proceedings. And let me explain under
three reasons why this appeal should have been denied. That does not address the
merits, Commissioners. This only focuses on the issue about whether the appeal was
perfected and should have been decided by this Commission. One, the HEP Board
permitted the applicant, the County, to come back and submit revised plans that did
not jeopardize the National Register designation. Two, the County did not accept the
deferral that was suggested for further evaluation. Three, the HEP Board was
prevented from hearing the full details of this plan. If we go back to the minutes from
March 5, 2019, you will see that that hearing took hours. At approximately -- and I'm
reading now from the minutes -- at 12:15 a.m., the Board suggested the applicant to
consider requesting a continuance, although the applicant was not obliged to,
because some board members articulated that after a lengthy discussion, the specifics
of the new design plans had yet to be discussed. The suggestion of continuancy [sic]
would allow for the County's new design plans and massing to be looked in detail by
the Board. The applicant declined the suggestion. So what you have before you,
Commissioners, is you have a decision by the HEP Board that was preliminary in
nature. Yes. If you read the four corners of the document, it will show that you have
an appellate right, but you, as a Commissioner, can make a determination whether
that is a ripe appeal; whether the HEP Board actually heard everything, and it did
not. I looked at the video last night to refresh my recollection, and you will see the
County saying, "We want you to vote up and down. " Well, they received an up -and -
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down vote, and respectfully, the HEP Board said, "We're declining to exercise our
right under the Charter, Chapter 23, to give you a Certificate of Appropriateness. So
at this point, when they appeal, it is improper to have a decision by this tribunal, by
this Commission, to exercise jurisdiction. So under that ground, you can sustain the
veto, because the appeal was improper. Again, jurisdiction can be raised at any stage
of the proceedings. Any reasonable appellate attorney will tell you that's the case.
Now, the HEP Board seeks to affirm the HEP's decision, and there are two important
factors that have been discussed, and I want to zero in on. One is, it is clear from the
record -- and I'm referring to the March 1, 2019 letter from the Department of State -
- that the standards under the County's plan were not met, and people say that, but I
wanted to dig a little bit further into that analysis. The standards are 10 standards,
and the standards that are not met are 1, 2, 4, S, 6, 10; more than 50 percent of the
standards that are recommended by the Secretary of Interior were not met by the
County's plan. It wasn't one. It wasn't two. It wasn't three. It was more than 50
percent of the plan did not meet the factors. I know that there's been a discussion
about Sears, and whether Sears, after the fact, became national designation or not.
Now that is speculation. And I think it would be improper at this time to consider
what could or could not occur. The fact is that the letter that you had before the HEP
Board, the letter that you had before the County Commission specifically stated that
(UNINTELLIGIBLE) were not met. The standards were not met. Number two -- and
I know Mayor addressed this on his preliminary remarks, and it's important, because,
again, we sit here in a quasi-judicial proceeding, so you're essentially appellate
judges in this capacity. And in this capacity, you have to look at the applicant. And
it's important to recognize that the applicant has full control of what it submits to the
City, what it doesn't submit to the City. We have no control over that. And one of the
glaring --
Mayor Suarez: Deficiencies.
Mr. Leal: -- deficiencies -- Thank you, Mayor, thank you -- was that it was lacking --
under -- to be clear -- 23-6.2(h)(4), requires an affidavit that shows that written
statements presenting the factual data establishing such economic hardship. The
application does not include that. So you can't come now to this board and say,
"Well, my due process rights were violated, and they misapplied the law. " Why?
One, because you had sufficient time to present your case, and you declined to do so,
or even get a deferral; and second, you submitted an application that was deficient,
and that now you're seeking to be evaluated under a different set of standards when
you perhaps could have applied to that approach, but under the application, it was
incomplete because you never submitted an affidavit that apparently could have been
verily provided, and they failed to do that. Under those remarks, I would ask that you
sustain the veto, take no action, and let the veto stand. Thank you for your marks
[sic]. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. There's been a motion. There's a second. Is
there any further discussion on the dais? Hearing none, I'd like to have a roll call
vote, please.
Commissioner Reyes: I think he stepped out a little bit. You don't have to rush it.
I'm -- I lost --
Mayor Suarez: Mr. Chair?
Chair Russell: You got your flight --that's why I'm moving quickly.
Commissioner Reyes: -- I'm going to lose -- I lost my flight already, and --
Mayor Suarez: Mr. Chair, if I may?
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Commissioner Reyes: I don't have --
Chair Russell: Mr. Mayor.
Commissioner Reyes: -- time --
Mayor Suarez: While we're waiting for Commissioner Carollo, I just want to
reemphasize, because --
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Mayor Suarez: -- I did say that I was going to make some changes --
Commissioner Reyes: I'm going to charge Francis for this.
Mayor Suarez: I got you. I want to reemphasize a few points. One is that the
County's plan is not a fully funded plan, period. It is not a fully funded plan, period.
It has $32 million in cash of a $50 million plan, and it's relying on one of two things:
Either us -- the Miami Parking Authority borrowing $20 million, or some joint
venture partner coming in on the development and giving us that money. I just want
to be clear.
Commissioner Carollo: But thought we weren't supposed to be making decisions --
Commissioner Reyes: Absolutely.
Commissioner Carollo: -- on financials.
Mayor Suarez: Its important, because it relates to --
Commissioner Reyes: No, it is not.
Commissioner Carollo: Our -- I mean, you have your legal counsel there that came
up and explained that, but you've been saying all along that we should not be making
decisions -- it's illegal for us to make decisions on financial matters.
Mayor Suarez: I haven't been saying that all along.
Commissioner Carollo: Your whole argument (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Mayor Suarez: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) speaking (UNINTELLIGIBLE). I haven't been
speaking about this, so let me -- Commissioner, you're entitled to your opinion. Let
me just finish.
Commissioner Carollo: Well, right --
Mayor Suarez: So --
Commissioner Carollo: -- you know, I -- what I really --
Chair Russell: Please, one at a time. One at a time, please.
Commissioner Carollo: -- think you should have done to make everybody happy and,
you know, kind of kumbaya again with Mayor Gimenez, you should have brought him
a little old souvenir from your --
Chair Russell: Please let the Mayor finish.
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Commissioner Carollo: -- European vacation. But anyway --
Chair Russell: Let's disregard -- please, let's -- let the Mayor finish, and then we'll
take our vote.
Commissioner Carollo: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Boy, boy. Now that's a lot of
culture there.
Chair Russell: All right.
Commissioner Carollo: That's a lot of culture there. Yeah.
Mayor Suarez: Just go ahead and call the question.
Commissioner Carollo: That's the people --
Chair Russell: All right.
Commissioner Carollo: -- that are going to be going to the playhouse and buy a
ticket.
Chair Russell: All right. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to do a roll
call vote. Four -- There's been a motion and a second to basically override the
Mayor's veto. You need four `yes" votes to this -- in order to accomplish that goal.
For my part, I'm very satisfied with all the public comment and the testimony that was
given. My decision will be based completely on the histories -- the historic factors,
not the financial factors, not the --
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Chair Russell: -- interior factors, not the seat size.
Commissioner Reyes: We're voting only on -- and that's what we should have been
doing.
Chair Russell: Correct. All right.
Commissioner Reyes: We're voting only on the decision to -- I mean, if the
auditorium is historic or not; or if it is, could be demolished, and preserving the
building, you see --
Chair Russell: Yes.
Commissioner Reyes: -- in order to build a new -- and besides that, and based on
what -- I mean, I don't believe it's historic, because it has been remodeled hundreds of
time; the front building, yes.
Chair Russell: Yes.
Commissioner Reyes: I think that is a jewel.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Roll call vote, please.
Vice Chair Gort: Wait a minute.
Chair Russell: I'm sorry. Commissioner Gort has another comment. I apologize.
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Vice Chair Gort: I've been very quiet. I spoke at the end of the last hearing.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah, you have.
Vice Chair Gort: And I said it one more time. Can you hear me? Okay. I want to
make sure you can hear me. All right? I've been coming to the Grove since 1957. It
wasn't the Grove; it was the Village. The businesses were completely different what
exist today. The businesses were changing according to the change of the community.
The other thing that we have is, these pictures, like I told you, I've been seeing it for
years. This is the same picture. This is just a rerun (UNINTELLIGIBLE),
unfortunate. Somehow, we can't get the groups to get together. We talked about the
Sears, but we talked about also the train station, Northwest 7th Avenue. It used to be
the main station; how people got here to Miami. That station was knocked down. Its
still -- right now it's going to be completely historic. Its complete -- it's
(UNINTELLIGIBLE) declared (UNINTELLIGIBLE) national historic site. They have
the Circle. And now (UNINTELLIGIBLE) you know how much I help with you and
how much I believe with you, but I think we have to make a decision. For that reason,
I'm going to support this. I'm going to support the motion on the floor. And I know
it's going to -- this is going to court. Every -- what everybody doing here is creating
record so we can go to court.
Commissioner Carollo: Maybe; maybe not.
Vice Chair Gort: So I want to make sure that when we go to the court, you guys could
sit down and maybe you all can come up together with the money and the whole
works, and get this done once and for all.
Commissioner Reyes: Amen.
Vice Chair Gort: Thank you.
Commissioner Reyes: Amen.
Chair Russell: Roll call, please.
Mr. Hannon: Roll call on the motion to override the mayoral veto: Commissioner
Hardemon?
Commissioner Hardemon: Against.
Mr. Hannon: Commissioner Gort? Commissioner Reyes?
Commissioner Reyes: Yes.
Mr. Hannon: Commissioner Carollo?
Commissioner Carollo: Yes.
Mr. Hannon: Chair Russell?
Chair Russell: No.
Mr. Hannon: The motion fails, 3-2.
(Applause)
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
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PA - PERSONAL APPEARANCE
PA.1 PERSONAL APPEARANCE
5913 A PERSONAL APPEARANCE BY RAFAEL VIEGO REGARDING
PROPOSED PARKS IN THE ROADS.
MOTION TO:
Defer
RESULT:
DEFERRED
MOVER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Ken Russell, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. Item PA.] was deferred to the June 13, 2019, Regular
Commission Meeting.
For minutes referencing Item PA.], please see "Order of the Day. "
END OF PERSONAL APPEARANCE
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The following item(s) was Adopted on the Consent Agenda
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Wifredo Gort, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
CA.1
RESOLUTION
5789
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Office of Capital
ATTACHMENT(S), APPROVING THE REQUESTED
Improvements
MODIFICATIONS OF THE DESIGN AND SCOPE OF WORK FOR
CITY OF MIAMI ("CITY") OFFICE OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
("OCI") PROJECT NO. 40-1340584 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF
THE SEAWALL, DOCK, AND KAYAK LAUNCH AT THE CITY'S
VIRGINIA KEY NATURE CENTER ("PROJECT") PURSUANT TO
RESOLUTION NO. 17-0478 ADOPTED ON SEPTEMBER 28, 2017;
FURTHER APPROVING THE REDUCTION OF COSTS DUE TO
SAID PROJECT MODIFICATIONS FROM THE PRIOR TOTAL
AMOUNT OF TWO MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED SIXTY THOUSAND,
NINE HUNDRED ELEVEN DOLLARS ($2,560,911.00) TO THE
CURRENT TOTAL AMOUNT OF TWO MILLION, FORTY
THOUSAND, NINE HUNDRED ELEVEN DOLLARS ($2,040,911.00);
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL
AMENDMENTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS FOR SAID
PROJECT MODIFICATIONS AND CHANGE IN PROJECT TOTAL
AMOUNT, ALL IN A FORM ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY
ATTORNEY AND SUBJECT TO BUDGETARY APPROVAL.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0196
This matter was ADOPTED on the Consent Agenda.
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item CA.], please see
"End of Consent Agenda. "
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CA.2
RESOLUTION
5754
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION
Department of Real
AUTHORIZING A DONATION OF FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF
FOUR THOUSAND SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS ($4,075.00) TO
Estate and Asset
MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE, INC., A501(C)(3) NOT-
Management
FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION ("PRESERVATION LEAGUE"), TO
PARTIALLY FUND THE MARINE STADIUM SEAT ART EXHIBIT AT
MIAMI BEACH ("EXHIBIT") TAKING PLACE FROM EARLY MAY
2019 THROUGH AUGUST 2019, WHICH IS EXPECTED TO
GENERATE BETWEEN SEVEN TO TEN THOUSAND (7,000-
10,000) PEOPLE PER MONTH AND WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT
IMPACT BY MAINTAINING THE MARINE STADIUM PROJECT IN
THE PUBLIC EYE AND POSITIVELY IMPACTING THE IMAGE OF
SAME; ALLOCATING FUNDS FROM PROJECT NO. 40-B30688,
MARINE STADIUM RESTORATION PROJECT GENERAL FUND
CONTRIBUTION AWARD 1426.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0197
This matter was ADOPTED on the Consent Agenda.
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item CA.2, please see
"End of Consent Agenda. "
CA.3
RESOLUTION
5755
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Department of Real
ATTACHMENT(S), AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO
Estate and Asset
EXECUTE A JOINDER AND CONSENT TO THE AGREEMENT
Management
FOR WATER AND SANITARY SEWER FACILITIES
("AGREEMENT") BY AND BETWEEN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY
WATER AND SEWER DEPARTMENT("WASD") AND LINDEN
AIRPORT SERVICES CORPORATION ("TENANT"), IN
SUBSTANTIALLY THE ATTACHED FORM, FOR THE PROVISION
OF WATER AND SEWER SERVICES TO THE HELIPORT
FACILITY AND SETTING FORTH THE TENANT'S OBLIGATIONS
TOWARDS THE COMPLETION OF THE HELIPORT FACILITY
LOCATED AT APPROXIMATELY 980 MACARTHUR CAUSEWAY
AT WATSON ISLAND, A CITY -OWNED PROPERTY, FOR A TERM
AS DESCRIBED IN THE AGREEMENT.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0198
This matter was ADOPTED on the Consent Agenda.
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item CA.3, please see
"End of Consent Agenda. "
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CAA
RESOLUTION
5907
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION
Office of the City
AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO PAY BRANDON
Attorney
RAULERSON, WITHOUT ADMISSION OF LIABILITY, THE
AGGREGATE TOTAL SUM OF TWO HUNDRED FIFTEEN
DOLLARS ($215,000.00) IN FULL AND COMPLETE SETTLEMENT
OF ANY AND ALL CLAIMS AND DEMANDS, INCLUDING ALL
CLAIMS FOR ATTORNEYS' FEES, AGAINST THE CITY OF MIAMI
("CITY"), ITS OFFICERS, AGENTS, AND EMPLOYEES IN THE
CASE OF BRANDON RAULERSON V. CITY OF MIAMI, PENDING
BEFORE THE UNITED STATE DISTRICT COURT FOR THE
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA, CASE NO. 18-22825, UPON
THE EXECUTION OF GENERAL RELEASES OF ALL CLAIMS AND
DEMANDS AND A DISMISSAL OF THE CITY WITH PREJUDICE;
ALLOCATED FUNDS FROM GENERAL LIABILITY ACCOUNT NO.
50001.301001.545013.0000.00000.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0199
This matter was ADOPTED on the Consent Agenda.
Note for the Record: For minutes referencing Item CA. 4, please see
"End of Consent Agenda. "
END OF CONSENT AGENDA
Chair Russell: And I'll ask for a motion on CA. 1, 2, 3, and 4.
Vice Chair Gort: Move it.
Chair Russell: It's been moved by the Vice Chairman --
Commissioner Hardemon: Second.
Chair Russell: -- seconded by Commissioner Hardemon. Any further discussion
on the dais? Hearing none, all in favor, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively).- Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes for CA. 1, CA. 2, CA. 3, and CA. 4.
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PH.1
RESOLUTION
4509
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
City Manager's
ATTACHMENT(S), BY A FOUR-FIFTHS (4/5THS) AFFIRMATIVE
Office
VOTE, AFTER AN ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING, RATIFYING,
AYES:
APPROVING, AND CONFIRMING THE CITY MANAGER'S FINDING,
ABSENT:
ATTACHED AND INCORPORATED AS EXHIBIT "A," THAT
COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATION METHODS AND PROCEDURES
ARE NOT PRACTICABLE OR ADVANTAGEOUS, PURSUANT TO
SECTION 18-85(A) OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF MIAMI,
FLORIDA, AS AMENDED; WAIVING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR
SAID PROCEDURES; AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO
EXECUTE THE HOST CITY AGREEMENT AND THE PARK USE
AGREEMENT, IN A FORM ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY
ATTORNEY, BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF MIAMI, THE
BAYFRONT PARK MANAGEMENT TRUST, SOUTH FLORIDA
RACING, LLC., AND FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
LIMITED, FOR A TEN (10) YEAR CONTRACT FOR THE RUNNING
OF THE FORMULA 1 MIAMI GRAND PRIX STARTING IN
OCTOBER OF 2018 WITH A FAN FESTIVAL AT BAYFRONT PARK
AND COMMENCING WITH FORMULA ONE GRAND PRIX RACING
FROM OCTOBER 2019 THROUGH OCTOBER 2029 WITH AN
OPTION FOR A FURTHER TEN (10) YEAR EXTENSION AND WITH
TERMS AND CONDITIONS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH IN
SAID AGREEMENT.
MOTION TO:
Withdraw
RESULT:
WITHDRAWN
MOVER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Co
SECONDER:
Ken Russell, Commissic
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item PH.], please see
"Order of the Day. "
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PH.2
RESOLUTION
5856
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND
Department of
EXECUTE AN AERIAL EASEMENT ("EASEMENT"), IN A FORM
Resilience and
ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, WITH MIAMI-DADE
Public Works
COUNTY FOR ENCROACHMENTS OVER AND ACROSS THE CITY
OF MIAMI'S RIGHT-OF-WAY KNOWN AS NORTHWEST 1ST
AVENUE BETWEEN NORTHWEST 1ST STREET AND WEST
FLAGLER STREET MIAMI, FLORIDA FOR THE PROPOSED CIVIL
AND PROBATE COURTHOUSE PROJECT PURSUANT TO
SECTION 55-14 OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF MIAMI, FLORIDA,
AS AMENDED ("CITY CODE"), WITH CERTAIN USER FEES
REQUIRED BY SECTION 55-14 OF THE CITY CODE FOR
GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES AND AGENCIES BEING EXEMPT
FROM PAYMENT FOR THE ENCROACHMENTS OVER THE
PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY; FURTHER AUTHORIZING THE CITY
MANAGER TO TAKE ANY AND ALL ACTIONS NECESSARY TO
ACCOMPLISH THE GRANTING OF SAID EASEMENT AND THE
RECORDATION THEREOF IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF MIAMI-
DADE COUNTY, FLORIDA.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0200
MOTION TO: Adopt
RESULT: ADOPTED
MOVER: Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER: Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
AYES: Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT: Carollo, Reyes
Chair Russell: Within the PH (public hearing) agenda, we have PH2, 3, and 4.
Can I get a motion on those three items, please?
Vice Chair Gort: Move it.
Todd B. Hannon (City Clerk): Chair, just so you know, PH 4 is a four fifths.
Chair Russell: Of those present?
Mr. Hannon: No, of the body.
Chair Russell: Then we can't do it. All right. So let's table that until we have
Commissioner Carollo back with its.
Commissioner Hardemon: Can I propose a motion?
Chair Russell: Yes, you may.
Commissioner Hardemon: I propose to approve PH 2 and 3, and the rest of the RE
(resolution) agenda, except RE.]7.
Vice Chair Gort: Wait a minute.
Chair Russell: Except RE --
Commissioner Hardemon: 17. That's the one --
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Chair Russell: --17.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- that Commissioner Carollo wanted to he here for.
Chair Russell: Yes, and he did ask for that one to hold, as well; you're right. All
right, so that would he -- correct me if I'm wrong -- PH.2 and 3, and RE.2, RE.3, 4,
5, 7 --
Commissioner Hardemon: Unless you want to take 7 now.
Chair Russell: That wasn't in your list to pullout separately.
Commissioner Hardemon: No, it was not. I'm just (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: Right.
Commissioner Hardemon: Unless you want to hear it separately.
Chair Russell: 7? No. It's fine. 7, 11, 16, and 18. Is that correct, Mr. Clerk?
Mr. Hannon: Good to go, sir.
Chair Russell: All right.
Vice Chair Gort: Second the motion.
Chair Russell: There's a motion and a second. Any further discussion on the dais?
Hearing none, all in favor, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes. And that leaves its from the -- from
that section of our agenda only with Items PH 4 --
Vice Chair Gort: You guys are good
Chair Russell: -- and RE. 17.
PH.3
RESOLUTION
5877
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
ATTACHMENTS, ACCEPTING THE PLAT TITLED "TUSCANY
Department of
COVE," A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF MIAMI OF THE
Resilience and
PROPERTY DESCRIBED IN ATTACHMENT "l," SUBJECT TO
Public Works
SATISFACTION OF ALL CONDITIONS REQUIRED BY THE PLAT
AND STREET COMMITTEE AS SET FORTH IN EXHIBIT "A",
ATTACHED AND INCORPORATED, AND THE PROVISIONS
CONTAINED IN SECTION 55-8 OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF
MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS AMENDED; ACCEPTING THE DEDICATIONS
SHOWN ON THE PLAT; AND AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE
CITY MANAGER AND CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE THE PLAT AND
CAUSE THE RECORDATION OF THE PLAT IN THE PUBLIC
RECORDS OF MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, FLORIDA.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0201
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MOTION TO:
Adopt
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item PH.3, please see Item PH.2.
PHA
RESOLUTION
5845
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Commissioners
ATTACHMENT(S), PURSUANT TO SECTION 18-85(A) OF THE
and Mayor
CODE OF THE CITY OF MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS AMENDED ("CITY
AYES:
CODE"), BY A FOUR FIFTHS (4/5THS) AFFIRMATIVE VOTE,
ABSENT:
AFTER AN ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING, RATIFYING,
Note for the Record. For additional minutes referencing Item PH. 4, please see
APPROVING, AND CONFIRMING THE CITY MANAGER'S
FINDINGS, ATTACHED AND INCORPORATED AS EXHIBIT "A,"
THAT COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATION METHODS AND
PROCEDURES ARE NOT PRACTICABLE OR ADVANTAGEOUS
FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI ("CITY") AND WAIVING THE
REQUIREMENTS FOR SAID PROCEDURES; AUTHORIZING THE
ALLOCATION OF GRANT FUNDS FROM THE DISTRICT 1
COMMISSIONER'S SHARE OF THE CITY'S ANTI -POVERTY
INITIATIVE ("API") IN A TOTAL AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED ONE
HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ($100,000.00) TO ASSISTANCE
TO THE ELDERLY, INC., A FLORIDA NOT FOR PROFIT
CORPORATION ("ASSISTANCE TO THE ELDERLY"), FOR THE
PURPOSE OF PURCHASING AND INSTALLING A GENERATOR
AT RESIDENTIAL PLAZA AT BLUE LAGOON, LOCATED AT 5617
NORTHWEST 7 STREET, MIAMI, FLORIDA; FURTHER
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND
EXECUTE ANY AND ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY, ALL IN A
FORM ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, FOR SAID
PURPOSE.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0211
MOTION TO:
Adopt with Modification(s)
RESULT:
ADOPTED WITH MODIFICATION(S)
MOVER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Ken Russell, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. For additional minutes referencing Item PH. 4, please see
"Public Comment Period for Regular Item (s), "Item PH.2, and Item PZ. 2.
Victoria Mendez (City Attorney): Commissioners, is there any way that you would
be interested in --? In order not to have a four-fifths, we can have an allocation on
this item for $50,000, and then we can come back for this actual --for the item on
,Tune 13 for the other $50, 000.
Vice Chair Gort: But what will you need then; a motion to --?
Ms. Mendez: So what we would do is an amendment of this to amend the amount to
$50, 000, which would be the threshold in our Code, in order just to have a regular
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majority vote that could get them started on the process, and then we come back on
June 13 with the rest of the item.
Chair Russell: I think that's a good set -- I think that's a good solution for now,
Madam City Attorney. And there's no notice issue on that, since it's just a reduction
in the amount on the same item?
Ms. Mendez: Exactly. We're reducing, and we don't need to meet that four-fifths
threshold. So we over -noticed, if we do this amount.
Chair Russell: What is the total in this item?
Vice Chair Gort: 100.
Ms. Mendez: A hundred.
Chair Russell: It's 100.
Mr. Hannon: So right now there's a motion on the floor to defer this particular item
to June 13, with PZ.2 and 3 continued to June 27. You know, Chair, ifyou'd like to
withdraw your second, we can take up PH.4 by itself, and then come back to PH.2 --
PZ.2 and 3, or the motion -- if Commissioner Hardemon's okay with removing PH4
from the current motion that's on the floor, we can vote on PZ.2 and 3, get those
continued, then move to PH. 4.
Chair Russell: That's my preference.
Later...
Chair Russell: On PH. 4, Commissioner Gort, ifyou'd like to make the motion with
that amendment, we'll be able to pass at least $50, 000 of the funds.
Vice Chair Gort: I think she was -- she wanted to (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Lillian Blondet (Director): Yeah, 50, 000 -- I just -- Lillian Blondet, Office of Grants
Administration. I just spoke to the representative from Residential Plaza, and they
said, $50,000 would be okay for now. We've been working with them already.
Vice Chair Gort: Okay.
Ms. Blondet: So we can start writing their agreement, and then give them the
money, so at least they can start the deposit process with this --
Vice Chair Gort: Okay.
Ms. Blondet: -- because they have other funding sources.
Chair Russell: And that'll work.
Ms. Blondet: So at least this would --
Chair Russell: Thank you for that solution. Is that a motion, Commissioner Gort?
Vice Chair Gort: Thank you. Move it.
Ms. Blondet: Thank you.
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Chair Russell: Its been moved with an amendment; seconded by the Chair. I'd like
to open the floor, if there's anyone for public comment on this. Its a bit of a change.
Hearing none, close public comment. Any further discussion on the dais? All in
favor, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you for bringing that up. That
was (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Ms. Mendez: Mr. Casamayor was the one with the brilliant idea, so we thank --
Chair Russell: All right, credit all around.
Ms. Mendez: -- him for --
Chair Russell: Well done. Well done.
Vice Chair Gort: Well done. Well done.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Vice Chair Gort: By the way, you guys welcome to discuss any item you would like
to discuss for us to look at. You got a motion to --
Chair Russell: All right. If there's no further business on the dais, I'll bring us to a
close. Are we all of -- are we all at peace here? Thank you very much, everyone.
This meeting is now adjourned at 5:04. Thank you so much.
PH.5
RESOLUTION
5906
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Commissioners
ATTACHMENT(S), PURSUANT TO SECTION 18-85(A) OF THE
and Mayor
CODE OF THE CITY OF MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS AMENDED ("CITY
CODE"), BY A FOUR FIFTHS (4/5THS) AFFIRMATIVE VOTE,
AFTER AN ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING, RATIFYING,
APPROVING, AND CONFIRMING THE CITY MANAGER'S
FINDINGS, ATTACHED AND INCORPORATED AS EXHIBIT "A,"
THAT COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATION METHODS AND
PROCEDURES ARE NOT PRACTICABLE OR ADVANTAGEOUS
FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI ("CITY") AND WAIVING THE
REQUIREMENTS FOR SAID PROCEDURES; AUTHORIZING THE
ALLOCATION OF GRANT FUNDS FROM THE DISTRICT 3
COMMISSIONER'S SHARE OF THE CITY'S ANTI -POVERTY
INITIATIVE ("API") IN A TOTAL AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED ONE
HUNDRED FOUR THOUSAND, FIVE HUNDRED SEVENTY-FIVE
DOLLARS ($104,575.00) TO CATHOLIC CHARITIES OF THE
ARCHDIOCESE OF MIAMI, INC., A FLORIDA NOT FOR PROFIT
CORPORATION ("CATHOLIC CHARITIES"), IN SUPPORT OF
CATHOLIC CHARITIES' SERVICES FOR THE ELDERLY; FURTHER
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND
EXECUTE ANY AND ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY, ALL IN A
FORM ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, FOR SAID
PURPOSE.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0212
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MOTION TO:
Adopt
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Joe Carollo, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Carollo, Reyes, Hardemon
Chair Russell: I'd like to --
Commissioner Carollo: There's two that must bring up.
Chair Russell: We can do it after lunch, though; yeah?
Commissioner Carollo: Well, this -- I don't know if she's going to be with
(UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: My stomach's about to make a motion.
Commissioner Carollo: PH.5 is for food for a lot of our elderly.
Vice Chair Gort: Move it.
Commissioner Carollo: Move --
Chair Russell: It's been --
Commissioner Reyes: Second.
Chair Russell: This is PH.5 --
Commissioner Carollo: S.
Chair Russell: -- the API (Anti -Poverty Initiative).
Commissioner Carollo: For Catholic Charities, so they could feed a lot of --
Chair Russell: There's been a motion by Commissioner Gort.
Vice Chair Gort: I mean --
Commissioner Reyes: Second.
Vice Chair Gort: --I'll second Carollo's --
Chair Russell: All right.
Commissioner Carollo: Thank you.
Vice Chair Gort: -- Commissioner Carollo's motion.
Chair Russell: Moved by Commissioner Carollo; second by Commissioner Gort.
That'sPH.5. I'd like to open the floor for public comment on PH. 5. Hearing none,
I'll close the public comment. Any further discussion on the dais? All in favor, say
"aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
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Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes.
END OF PUBLIC HEARINGS
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RE.1
RESOLUTION
4049
MAY BE WITHDRAWN
Office of the City
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION APPROVING
Attorney
AND RATIFYING NUNC PRO TUNC THE ADDITION OF BICON,
AYES:
INC., DOING BUSINESS AS S & S NATIONAL WASTE, INC., A
ABSENT:
FLORIDA PROFIT CORPORATION ("BICON"), AS A FRANCHISEE
UNDER THE CITY OF MIAMI ("CITY") NON-EXCLUSIVE
COMMERCIAL SOLID WASTE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT DATED
JULY 1, 2016, PURSUANT TO REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS
("RFQ") NO. 495344, IN RESPONSE TO THE CITY'S NEED FOR
ADDITIONAL QUALIFIED VENDORS TO PROVIDE AND MAINTAIN
THE SAME LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL SOLID WASTE HAULING
SERVICES WITHIN THE CITY, FOR AN INITIAL TERM OF FIVE (5)
YEARS, WITH THREE (3) ADDITIONAL ONE (1) YEAR OPTIONS
TO RENEW.
MOTION TO:
Withdraw
RESULT:
WITHDRAWN
MOVER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Ken Russell, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item RE.], please see
"Order of the Day. "
RE.2
RESOLUTION
5748
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Office of Grants
ATTACHMENT(S), APPROVING THE ANTI -POVERTY INITIATIVE
Administration
GUIDELINES, FUNDING REQUEST FORM, TEMPLATE
AGREEMENT, AND EXHIBITS, IN SUBSTANTIALLY THE FORMS
ATTACHED AS COMPOSITE EXHIBIT "A"; AUTHORIZING THE
CITY MANAGER TO UPDATE, FROM TIME TO TIME, SAID
FORMS, PROCESSES, AND AGREEMENT(S), TO ENSURE THE
PROPER UTILIZATION OF PUBLIC FUNDS, WITHOUT THE NEED
FOR FURTHER CITY COMMISSION APPROVAL; FURTHER
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL
NECESSARY DOCUMENTS, ALL IN A FORM ACCEPTABLE TO
THE CITY ATTORNEY, FOR SAID PURPOSE.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0202
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MOTION TO:
Adopt
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item RE.2, please see Item PH.2.
RE.3 RESOLUTION
5756 A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Office of Capital ATTACHMENT(S), AUTHORIZING AN INCREASE TO THE
Improvements PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENTS WITH KIMLEY-HORN
AND ASSOCIATES, INC., CHEN MOORE AND ASSOCIATES, INC.,
AECOM TECHNICAL SERVICES, INC., AND MILLER, LEGG &
ASSOCIATES, INC., FOR THE PROVISION OF MISCELLANEOUS
LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES, FOR ADDITIONAL
WORK IN AN AMOUNT NOT -TO -EXCEED $500,000.00 FOR EACH
FIRM, THEREBY INCREASING THE TOTAL COMPENSATION
LIMIT FROM $500,000.00 TO AN AMOUNT NOT -TO -EXCEED
$1,000,000.00 EACH; ALLOCATING FUNDS FROM THE
APPROPRIATE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND
DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS, SUBJECT TO BUDGETARY
APPROVAL AT THE TIME OF THE NEED; AUTHORIZING THE
CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AMENDMENT TO EACH
AGREEMENT WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES, INC.,
CHEN MOORE AND ASSOCIATES, INC., AECOM TECHNICAL
SERVICES, INC., AND MILLER, LEGG & ASSOCIATES, INC., IN
SUBSTANTIALLY THE ATTACHED FORM; FURTHER
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND
EXECUTE ALL OTHER DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING ANY RELATED
AMENDMENTS AND EXTENSIONS, SUBJECT TO ALLOCATIONS,
APPROPRIATIONS, AND BUDGETARY APPROVAL HAVING
BEEN PREVIOUSLY MADE, AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH
APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF
MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS AMENDED, ("CITY CODE"), INCLUDING THE
CITY OF MIAMI'S PROCUREMENT ORDINANCE, ANTI-
DEFICIENCY ACT, AND FINANCIAL INTEGRITY PRINCIPLES, ALL
AS SET FORTH IN CHAPTER 18 OF THE CITY CODE, IN A FORM
ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND IN COMPLIANCE
WITH APPLICABLE REGULATIONS, AS MAY BE NECESSARY
FOR SAID PURPOSE.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0203
MOTION TO:
Adopt
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item RE.3, please see Item PH.2
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REA RESOLUTION
5692 A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Office of Capital ATTACHMENT(S), AUTHORIZING AN INCREASE TO THE
Improvements PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENTS WITH A.D.A.
ENGINEERING, INC., AMBRO, INC., A&P CONSULTING
TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS, CORP., CHEN MOORE AND
ASSOCIATES, INC., COASTAL SYSTEMS INTERNATIONAL,
INC., EAC CONSULTING, INC., HBC ENGINEERING COMPANY,
H.W. LOCHNER, INC., KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES, INC.,
MILIAN, SWAIN & ASSOCIATES, INC., STEARNS, CONRAD AND
SCHMIDT, CONSULTING ENGINEERS, INC., SRS
ENGINEERING, INC., TETRA TECH, INC., TRACE
CONSULTANTS, INC., WANTMAN GROUP, INC., AND WSP USA,
INC., FOR THE PROVISION OF CIVIL ENGINEERING SERVICES
FOR MISCELLANEOUS PROJECTS, FOR ADDITIONAL WORK IN
AN AMOUNT NOT -TO -EXCEED $500,000.00 FOR EACH FIRM,
THEREBY INCREASING THE TOTAL COMPENSATION LIMIT
FROM $500,000.00 TO AN AMOUNT NOT -TO -EXCEED
$1,000,000.00 EACH; ALLOCATING FUNDS FROM THE
APPROPRIATE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND
DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS, SUBJECT TO BUDGETARY
APPROVAL AT THE TIME OF THE NEED; AUTHORIZING THE
CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AMENDMENT TO EACH
AGREEMENT WITH A.D.A. ENGINEERING, INC., AMBRO, INC.,
A&P CONSULTING TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS, CORP.,
CHEN MOORE AND ASSOCIATES, INC., COASTAL SYSTEMS
INTERNATIONAL, INC., EAC CONSULTING, INC., HBC
ENGINEERING COMPANY, H.W. LOCHNER, INC., KIMLEY-
HORN AND ASSOCIATES, INC., MILIAN, SWAIN &
ASSOCIATES, INC., STEARNS, CONRAD AND SCHMIDT,
CONSULTING ENGINEERS, INC., SRS ENGINEERING, INC.,
TETRA TECH, INC., TRACE CONSULTANTS, INC., WANTMAN
GROUP, INC., AND WSP USA, INC., IN SUBSTANTIALLY THE
ATTACHED FORM; FURTHER AUTHORIZING THE CITY
MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE ALL OTHER
DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING ANY AMENDMENTS AND
EXTENSIONS, SUBJECT TO ALLOCATIONS,
APPROPRIATIONS, AND BUDGETARY APPROVAL HAVING
BEEN PREVIOUSLY MADE, AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH
APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF
MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS AMENDED, ("CITY CODE"), INCLUDING
THE CITY OF MIAMI'S PROCUREMENT ORDINANCE, ANTI-
DEFICIENCY ACT, AND FINANCIAL INTEGRITY PRINCIPLES,
ALL AS SET FORTH IN CHAPTER 18 OF THE CITY CODE, IN A
FORM ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND IN
COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE REGULATIONS, AS MAY BE
NECESSARY FOR SAID PURPOSE.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0204
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MOTION TO:
Adopt
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item RE.4, please see Item PIL2
RE.5 RESOLUTION
5878 A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION ACCEPTING
Office of Capital THE PRICE PROPOSAL RECEIVED ON MARCH 18, 2019,
Improvements PURSUANT TO REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS ("RFP") NO. 18-19-
005, FROM KEARNS CONSTRUCTION, CO. ("KEARNS"), THE
SOLE LOWEST RESPONSIVE AND RESPONSIBLE PROPOSER,
TO PROVIDE DESIGN -BUILD SERVICES FOR THE DINNER KEY
MARINA REPAIRS AND RESTORATION PROJECT, IN THE
AMOUNT OF $16,880,381.00 FOR THE SCOPE OF WORK, PLUS
ADDITIVE ALTERNATIVES #1, AND #3 THROUGH #8, IN THE
AMOUNT OF $3,919,619.00, PLUS AN OWNER'S CONTINGENCY
ALLOWANCE IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,688,038.00, FOR A TOTAL
NOT -TO -EXCEED AWARD VALUE OF $22,488,038.00, ON A
PHASED BASIS; ALLOCATING FUNDS FROM THE CITY OF
MIAMI ("CITY") GENERAL FUND, FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION
DISTRICT ("FIND"), SANITARY SEWER BONDS, AND
ADDITIONAL SOURCES OF LEGALLY AVAILABLE FUNDING YET
TO BE DETERMINED; AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO
EXECUTE A NEGOTIATED DESIGN -BUILD AGREEMENT
("AGREEMENT"), IN SUBSTANTIALLY THE ATTACHED FORM;
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ISSUE NOTICES TO
PROCEED AS REQUIRED ON A PHASED BASIS; AUTHORIZING
THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE THE COST OF AND
EXECUTE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE AGREEMENT, IN A FORM
ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, REQUIRED TO
COMPLETE ANY SUBSEQUENT PROJECT PHASES WITHOUT
FURTHER CITY COMMISSION APPROVAL; FURTHER
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND
EXECUTE ALL OTHER NECESSARY DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING
ANY AMENDMENTS AND EXTENSIONS, SUBJECT TO
ALLOCATIONS, APPROPRIATIONS, AND BUDGETARY
APPROVAL HAVING BEEN PREVIOUSLY MADE, AND IN
COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THE CODE
OF THE CITY OF MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS AMENDED, ("CITY
CODE"), INCLUDING THE CITY'S PROCUREMENT ORDINANCE,
ANTI -DEFICIENCY ACT, AND FINANCIAL INTEGRITY
PRINCIPLES, ALL AS SET FORTH IN CHAPTER 18 OF THE CITY
CODE, IN A FORM ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND
IN COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE REGULATIONS, AS MAY BE
NECESSARY FOR SAID PURPOSE.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0205
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MOTION TO:
Adopt
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item RE.5, please see Item PH.2
RE.6
RESOLUTION
5751
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Department of
ATTACHMENT(S), GRANTING THE APPLICATION FOR A
Planning
HISTORIC AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION, BASED ON THE
AYES:
RECOMMENDATION OF THE HISTORIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL
ABSENT:
PRESERVATION BOARD, TO THE OWNERS, JOEL AND
COURTNEY DENARO, FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3518
SOUTH MOORINGS WAY, MIAMI, FLORIDA AND KNOWN AS THE
INDIVIDUALLY -HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED PROPERTY, "THE
FISHER RESIDENCE."
MOTION TO:
Defer
RESULT:
DEFERRED
MOVER:
Joe Carollo, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Carollo, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Gort, Reyes
Note for the Record. Item RE.6 was deferred to the June 13, 2019, Regular
Commission Meeting.
For minutes referencing Item RE. 6, please see "Order of the Day. "
RE.7
RESOLUTION
5752
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Department of
ATTACHMENT(S), GRANTING THE APPLICATION FOR A
Planning
HISTORIC AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION, BASED ON THE
RECOMMENDATION OF THE HISTORIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL
PRESERVATION BOARD, TO THE OWNER, SOUTH PACIFIC
6300, LLC, FOR THE HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED PROPERTY
LOCATED AT 6300 BISCAYNE BOULEVARD, MIAMI, FLORIDA
WITHIN THE MIAMI MODERN ("MIMO") HISTORIC DISTRICT.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0206
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MOTION TO:
Adopt
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item RE. 7, please see Item PH.2
RE.8
RESOLUTION
5727
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION
Department of Risk
AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO PAY TO AND
Management
ON BEHALF OF JULIO DOTEL, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS
IMPOSED BY CHAPTER 440, FLORIDA STATUTES, THE TOTAL
SUM OF $125,000.00, INCLUSIVE OF COSTS AND ATTORNEY'S
FEES, AS WELL AS A SEPARATE GENERAL RELEASE, IN FULL
SETTLEMENT OF ANY AND ALL CLAIMS AND DATES OF
ACCIDENT ALLEGED AGAINST THE CITY OF MIAMI ("CITY"), ITS
OFFICERS, AGENTS, AND EMPLOYEES, WITHOUT ADMISSION
OF LIABILITY, UPON EXECUTING A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT,
HOLD HARMLESS, AND INDEMNIFICATION AGREEMENT, AS
WELL AS A GENERAL RELEASE OF THE CITY, ITS PRESENT
AND FORMER OFFICERS, AGENTS, AND EMPLOYEES, FROM
ANY AND ALL CLAIMS AND DEMANDS; ALLOCATING FUNDS IN
THE AMOUNT OF $124,900.00 FROM ACCOUNT NO.
50001.301001.524000.0000.00000 AND FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT
OF $100.00, FOR THE SEPARATE GENERAL RELEASE, FROM
ACCOUNT NO. 00001.980000.531010.0000.00000.
MOTION TO: Defer
RESULT: DEFERRED
MOVER: Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
SECONDER: Ken Russell, Commissioner
AYES: Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT: Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. Item RE.8 was deferred to the June 13, 2019, Regular
Commission Meeting.
For minutes referencing Item RE. 8, please see "Order of the Day. "
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RE.9
RESOLUTION
2525
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Department of Real
ATTACHMENT(S), ACCEPTING THE CITY MANAGER'S
Estate and Asset
RECOMMENDATION APPROVING THE FINDINGS OF THE
Management
SELECTION COMMITTEE THAT VIRGINIA KEY, LLC,
ABSENT:
("PROPOSER") IS THE TOP RANKED PROPOSER FOR
Note for the Record. Item RE.9 was deferred to the June 13, 2019, Regular
REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS NO. 16-17-011, LEASE OF CITY OF
MIAMI -OWNED WATERFRONT PROPERTY FOR
MARINAS/RESTAURANT/STORE USES LOCATED AT
APPROXIMATELY 3301, 3605, 3501, 3311, & 3511
RICKENBACKER CAUSEWAY, MIAMI, FLORIDA ("RFP");
AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO
EXECUTE A LEASE ("LEASE"), SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW AND
APPROVAL OF THE CITY ATTORNEY AS TO FORM AND
CORRECTNESS, FOR AN INITIAL TERM OF FORTY-FIVE (45)
YEARS, WITH TWO FIFTEEN (15) YEAR RENEWAL TERMS AND
PAYMENT OF A MINIMUM GUARANTEED ANNUAL RENT EQUAL
TO TWO MILLION TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS
($2,200,000) INCREASED ANNUALLY BY THE GREATER OF 3%
OR CPI ("BASE RENT"); TOTALING APPROXIMATELY TWO
HUNDRED THREE MILLION NINE HUNDRED EIGHTY FOUR
THOUSAND SIXTY DOLLARS ($203,984,060.00) OVER THE
INITIAL TERM; SIX PERCENT (6%) OF GROSS REVENUES;
APPROXIMATELY EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS ($80,000,000.00)
PRIVATELY FUNDED INVESTMENT TO REDEVELOP THE
MARINA IN AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE MANNER,
INCLUDING BOAT STORAGE, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, AND
PUBLIC PARKING; FURTHER PROVIDING THAT THE
EXECUTION OF THE LEASE IS SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF
A MAJORITY OF THE VOTES CAST BY THE ELECTORATE AT A
REFERENDUM SPECIAL ELECTION; FURTHER CLARIFYING
THAT SUCH AWARD OF THE RFP DOES NOT CONFER ANY
CONTRACTUAL RIGHTS UPON PROPOSER UNTIL SAID
FAVORABLE REFERENDUM HAS OCCURRED AND A
CONTRACT IS ENTERED INTO, AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY
CHARTER.
MOTION TO:
Defer
RESULT:
DEFERRED
MOVER:
Joe Carollo, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Carollo, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Gort, Reyes
Note for the Record. Item RE.9 was deferred to the June 13, 2019, Regular
Commission Meeting.
For minutes referencing Item RE.9, please see "Order of the Day. "
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RE.10
RESOLUTION
2526
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Department of Real
ATTACHMENT(S), MAKING PROVISIONS FOR A REFERENDUM
Estate and Asset
SPECIAL ELECTION TO BE HELD CONCURRENTLY WITH THE
Management
GENERAL MUNICIPAL ELECTION ON NOVEMBER 5, 2019 FOR
ABSENT:
THE PURPOSES OF SUBMITTING TO THE QUALIFIED
ELECTORS OF THE CITY OF MIAMI ("CITY') FOR THEIR
APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING
REFERENDUM BALLOT QUESTION: "SHALL THE CITY BE
AUTHORIZED TO LEASE APPROXIMATELY 27.5 ACRES OF
LAND ON VIRGINIA KEY TO VIRGINIA KEY, LLC FOR A 45 -YEAR
INITIAL TERM WITH TWO 15 YEAR RENEWALS; MINIMUM
ANNUAL GUARANTEED RENT OF $2,200,000.00 (WITH
ESCALATIONS) TOTALING APPROXIMATELY $203,984,060
OVER THE INITIAL TERM; 6% OF GROSS REVENUES;
APPROXIMATELY $80,000,000.00 PRIVATELY FUNDED
INVESTMENT TO REDEVELOP THE MARINAS IN AN
ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE MANNER, INCLUDING BOAT
STORAGE, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, AND PUBLIC PARKING?";
DESIGNATING AND APPOINTING THE CITY CLERK AS THE
OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY COMMISSION WITH
RESPECT TO THE USE OF VOTER REGISTRATION BOOKS AND
RECORDS; AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY CLERK TO
CAUSE A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE HEREIN RESOLUTION TO
BE DELIVERED TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OF
MIAMI-DADE COUNTY PURSUANT TO APPLICABLE LAW.
MOTION TO:
Defer
RESULT:
DEFERRED
MOVER:
Joe Carollo, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Carollo, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Gort, Reyes
Note for the Record. Item RE.10 was deferred to the June 13, 2019, Regular
Commission Meeting.
For minutes referencing Item RE.10, please see "Order of the Day. "
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REA 1
RESOLUTION
5382
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Office of
ATTACHMENT(S), APPROVING, PURSUANT TO THE REQUEST
Management and
FOR PROPOSALS THAT WAS ISSUED APRIL 22, 2019 BY CITY
Budget
OF MIAMI ("CITY") FINANCIAL ADVISOR PUBLIC FINANCIAL
ABSENT:
MANAGEMENT, INC. ("PFM"), THE SELECTION OF THE
PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY SANTANDER BANK FOR THE
PROVISION OF CAPITAL FINANCING IN A NOT TO EXCEED
TOTAL AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF THIRTY SIX
MILLION DOLLARS ($36,000,000.00) FOR THE
LEASE/PURCHASE ACQUISITION OF APPROXIMATELY FIVE
HUNDRED FORTY (540) POLICE VEHICLES, GENERAL LIGHT
FLEET VEHICLES, GENERAL HEAVY FLEET VEHICLES, AND
FIRE APPARATUS VEHICLES AND FOR PAYMENT OF THE
FINANCING COSTS OF THE SAME; AUTHORIZING THE CITY
MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE A FINANCING
LEASE/PURCHASE AGREEMENT ("AGREEMENT") FOR SAID
VEHICLES, IN A FORM ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY,
AND ANY AND ALL AMENDMENTS AND DOCUMENTS
REQUIRED BY SAID AGREEMENT, PROVIDED THAT THE
TERMS ARE CONSISTENT AND IN A FORM ACCEPTABLE TO
THE CITY ATTORNEY; FURTHER AUTHORIZING THE CITY
MANAGER TO TAKE ANY AND ALL ACTION NECESSARY TO
EFFECTUATE SAID LEASE/PURCHASE ACQUISITIONS,
SUBJECT TO THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS AND BUDGETARY
APPROVAL AT THE TIME OF NEED.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0207
MOTION TO:
Adopt
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item RE.11, please see Item PH.2
RE.12 RESOLUTION
5886 A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION RENAMING
Commissioners THE CITY OF MIAMI'S POLICE TRAINING FACILITY, CURRENTLY
REFERRED TO AS THE MIAMI POLICE COLLEGE, LOCATED AT
and Mayor 400 NORTHWEST 2ND AVENUE, MIAMI, FLORIDA, THE "CHIEF
CLARENCE DICKSON POLICE COLLEGE"; DIRECTING THE CITY
MANAGER TO TAKE ANY AND ALL ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS
NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE THE RENAMING OF SAID
FACILITY.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0213
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MOTION TO:
Adopt
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Ken Russell, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Carollo, Reyes, Hardemon
Commissioner Hardemon: I have a quick motion.
Commissioner Carollo: Well, I'll just state on the record, while you're putting your
motion --
Commissioner Hardemon: Wait, wait, wait. Before you do -- before you do it -- I
promise you; you won't be averse to this motion.
Vice Chair Gort: Mr. Chairman, wait a minute.
Commissioner Hardemon: If --
Chair Russell: Let me --
Commissioner Hardemon: Wait, wait. I promise you; you won't be averse to the
motion.
Chair Russell: Commissioner Hardemon and then Commissioner Gort.
Commissioner Hardemon: I move that we approve RE. 12.
Chair Russell: Seconded by the Chairman.
Commissioner Carollo: Well, let me see what --
Commissioner Hardemon: That is renaming the police training facility Clarence
Dixon Police College.
Commissioner Carollo: Oh, Clarence Dixon? Absolutely.
Commissioner Reyes: Motion --second.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Lawyers, clear the floor for a second.
Commissioner Carollo: Absolutely.
Victoria Mendez (City Attorney): Public comment on that one?
Chair Russell: We're opening public comment --
Commissioner Hardemon: On that.
Chair Russell: -- on RE. 12.
Vice Chair Gort: No need. Close it.
Chair Russell: Does anyone need to speak on RE.12? We're closing public
comment. Any further discussion from the dais?
Commissioner Hardemon: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) go.
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Chair Russell: All in favor, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes. Unanimous. Thank you. And thank
you for your patience today.
RE.13
RESOLUTION
5757
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION DIRECTING
MOVER:
THE CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, AND INDEPENDENT
Commissioners
AUDITOR TO TAKE ANY AND ALL ACTIONS NECESSARY
and Mayor
REGARDING ANY IMPROPER OCCUPANCY OR USE OF ANY
ABSENT:
CITY OF MIAMI OWNED PREMISES BY UNAUTHORIZED
Note for the Record. Item RE.13 was deferred to the June 13, 2019, Regular
BUSINESS ENTITIES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE
MELREESE GOLF COURSE LOCATED AT 1802 NORTHWEST 37
AVENUE, MIAMI, FLORIDA.
MOTION TO:
Defer
RESULT:
DEFERRED
MOVER:
Joe Carollo, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Carollo, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Gort, Reyes
Note for the Record. Item RE.13 was deferred to the June 13, 2019, Regular
Commission Meeting.
For minutes referencing Item RE.13, please see "Order of the Day. "
RE.14
RESOLUTION
5704
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION
MOVER:
AUTHORIZING THE RETENTION OF
Commissioners
AS LEGAL CONSULTANTS TO WORK IN CONSULTATION WITH
and Mayor
THE CITY ATTORNEY AND TO PROVIDE SUBJECT MATTER
NAYS:
EXPERTISE ON NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN THE CITY OF MIAMI
AND FREEDOM PARK LLC; FURTHER AUTHORIZING THE
EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS FOR SAID PURPOSE; ALLOCATING
FUNDS FROM THE NON -DEPARTMENTAL LEGAL SERVICES
ACCOUNT NO. 00001.980000.531010.0000.00000.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0214
MOTION TO:
Adopt with Modification(s)
RESULT:
ADOPTED WITH MODIFICATION(S)
MOVER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Carollo, Hardemon
NAYS:
Reyes
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Commissioner Reyes: Now --
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Commissioner Reyes: -- before we break to lunch --
Chair Russell: Let me take that up. So, Mr. Clerk, it's after noon. What
procedural motion do you need for us to continue one more item before lunch?
Todd B. Hannon (City Clerk): If there is no objection from the Commission, you
may continue to proceed.
Chair Russell: All right.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay, but (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: Is the body -- because you are leaving for the afternoon, right?
Commissioner Reyes: Yes, but I --
Chair Russell: You're going to find another way; planes, trains, and automobiles.
Commissioner Reyes: -- have to be now at the airport at 5 o'clock.
Chair Russell: All right.
Commissioner Reyes: So I --
Chair Russell: Will this body sit for one last item before lunch?
Commissioner Reyes: -- have to be at the airport at 3 o'clock. So I want to get --
Commissioner Carollo: You want to come back early? I don't know.
Chair Russell: Oh, you want to take this up before -- after --?
Commissioner Reyes: That's right, because I have to be -- I mean, I want to take it
before, because I have to be at the airport -- yes -- at 3. I lost a flight at -- I want
the courtesy of doing this.
Chair Russell: Got it.
Commissioner Reyes: Please.
Chair Russell: All right. Gentlemen, we're going to take up one last item before
lunch. All right.
Commissioner Carollo: Okay.
Chair Russell: I'd like to pass the gavel and move Item RE. 14, please.
Commissioner Reyes: Yes.
Victoria Mendez (City Attorney): I can't hear you.
Commissioner Reyes: Mr. Chair --
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Vice Chair Gort: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) back in business. Can you please allow us
to finish the agenda? We have a long agenda to go through. Okay?
Commissioner Carollo: Chair --
Vice Chair Gort: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) be very happy. Thank you.
Commissioner Carollo: -- we're going to have to wait a couple of minutes to --
Commissioner Reyes: Yeah.
Commissioner Carollo: -- get this room clear.
Later...
Chair Russell: In order to make my motion, I need to complete the item -- the
motion has a blank in it. And so, my motion is to move RE. 14, adding the name,
Fowler White Burnett, into the blank spot, if it pleases this board.
Commissioner Carollo: Nope, it doesn't please me.
Chair Russell: You're Chair.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Vice Chair Gort: Your motion is -- was there a process that we had to receive the
letters from the different individuals for qualifications, and was there a set time for
that? In other words, you requested applicants to apply to certain -- to --
(UNINTELLIGIBLE) be -- considered for the attorneys for the work to be done with
the Melreese Park, right? And was there a deadline? It was open --
Ms. Mendez: Yes, a deadline was given. So now there's a motion on the floor --
Chair Russell: And let me explain it just to --
Vice Chair Gort: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: -- see if I get a second here.
Vice Chair Gort: Sure.
Chair Russell: So I believe that we should be following the lead of our City
Attorney and City Manager with regard to selection of the attorneys that represent
us. Our job is to ratify those. There was an original offer given, but there's only
one. This body asked for the selection process; they came back. Of that 16, the
City Attorney recommended three. We had vigorous discussion over that. There
were some issues kind of nonrelated to the development agreement itself, but more
about qualifications of law firms with regard to their relations with Cuba. Of the
three, I felt that this one is the -- has no connection to Cuba, whatsoever, with
regard to the State statute, our own resolutions, as well as the concerns brought up
by Commissioner Reyes, so Tin putting forth that so that we can move forward. So
my motion is for that particular law firm.
Vice Chair Gort: In other words, you want to add to the three that was suggested
by the --?
Chair Russell: No. It's within -- it's one of the ones she suggested, and I'm just --
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Unidentified Speaker: Fowler White.
Chair Russell: --picking one and making a motion.
Vice Chair Gort: Okay, perfect.
Commissioner Carollo: Which would be the two that you suggested?
Vice Chair Gort: Okay, there's a motion. Is there a second?
Commissioner Carollo: What were the other two that you suggested, Madam City
Attorney?
Ms. Mendez: Shutts and Hunton. Shutts --
Commissioner Reyes: Hunton is out of the question; they're doing a lot of business
with Cuba.
Commissioner Hardemon: Fowler is the one where the lawyer said that he was not
going to directly work on it?
Commissioner Carollo: Well, there was a whole discussion.
Ms. Mendez: Right. And he has --
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Ms. Mendez: -- since gotten an Ethics opinion, so that's been resolved with respect
to that. He still can't work on it, unless there's a waiver by this Commission, and
the Commission is usually not inclined to do those waivers, but it is up to you,
obviously.
Commissioner Carollo: Well --
Commissioner Hardemon: Can he indirectly work on it?
Ms. Mendez: No, he cannot work on it.
Vice Chair Gort: Okay.
Commissioner Carollo: You'll never (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Vice Chair Gort: There's a motion. Excuse me. There's a motion. Is there a
second?
Commissioner Carollo: You'll never really know.
Ms. Mendez: If you did the waiver.
Vice Chair Gort: Excuse me. There's a motion --
Ms. Mendez: If you did the waiver.
Vice Chair Gort: Excuse me. Through the Chair, please. There's a motion. Is
there a second? No second. It dies for lack of second.
Chair Russell: One down.
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Vice Chair Gort: One down. Okay. Any further discussion. Any further motions?
Commissioner Reyes: Any further motions?
Chair Russell: Did someone have a choice of (UNINTELLIGIBLE)?
Commissioner Carollo: Well, we could either choose one out of the two that were
recommended, or we could certainly choose one out of the three that were
recommended, so.
Vice Chair Gort: My understanding, you guys like the one in particular where you
were get some questions about the -- doing any business with Cuba, the one you
recommended?
Commissioner Reyes: You see, it is your district; which one you prefer,
Commissioner Gort? I mean, that you think that could do a good job.
Vice Chair Gort: My understanding, there was one group that really stood out,
because of the amount of deal they did with the stadium, and so on. And the
question they were asked, do we give them a break so that they could go back and
come back and say they (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- they had deals with Cuba. And my
understanding is that has been the question that was asked.
Commissioner Carollo: What group was that, Commissioner?
Vice Chair Gort: The name of the group -- I don't have the --
Commissioner Reyes: That was Fowler, right?
Vice Chair Gort: No.
Commissioner Hardemon: Did we not come back with --?
Commissioner Reyes: No. That was Fowler, right?
Chair Russell: Can we just establish which one Commissioner Gort is speaking
about?
Commissioner Reyes: That's right; that was Fowler.
Chair Russell: That was Hunton, I believe.
Commissioner Reyes: No. Hunton is the one that they are very --
Vice Chair Gort: Right.
Commissioner Reyes: -- proud about all the business they do in Cuba.
Chair Russell: All right. Let's -- I would like clarification from the City Attorney or
the City Manager which firm Commissioner Gort is referring to. This is the first
one that was suggested; is that correct, Commissioner Gort?
Vice Chair Gort: Yes.
Chair Russell: Which is the first firm that you had recommended?
Ms. Mendez: The first firm that was recommended --
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Chair Russell: Before the selection committee.
Ms. Mendez: -- before was Hunton.
Chair Russell: For the selection process. Hunton.
Ms. Mendez: Hunton Andrews Kurth.
Chair Russell: Got it. So Commissioner Gort, do you have a motion based--?
Ms. Mendez: That is the first one that was suggested.
Commissioner Reyes: Hunton was the one that they had --
Chair Russell: Just a moment, please. One at a time. So based on that,
Commissioner Gort.
Vice Chair Gort: The presentation (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Irvin Rai: I think the Commissioner is referring to the Fowler White/O'Melveny &
Myers --
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Mr. Rai: -- combination. We're the ones that represented Major League Baseball
in the transaction for the Marlins, which I think is what the Commissioner was just
referencing.
Chair Russell: So let's be clear, though, because at the beginning of the statement,
he mentioned the first firm recommended by the City Manager and the Attorney,
and that was Hunton.
Commissioner Carollo: I'm sorry. What firm are you with?
Mr. Rai: O'Melveny and Myers. We partner with Fowler White.
Commissioner Carollo: Okay. And you say you represented the Marlins deal?
Mr. Rai: I represented Major League Baseball, not the Marlins.
Commissioner Reyes: Yes.
Commissioner Carollo: All right.
Chair Russell: Just a moment, please.
Commissioner Carollo: Either way --
Chair Russell: Just a moment. One at a time. Before we move on to any
discussion, I need clarification over which firm Commissioner Gort was referring
to.
Vice Chair Gort: My understanding, one of the -- I referred to two. I mentioned
one in local. I mentioned them because they're experienced in dealing with sports.
And my understanding in research that I've done, they're the type of people that will
tell them "that's a bad deal. "
Chair Russell: Which firm is that?
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Vice Chair Gort: This firm right here right now.
Chair Russell: Fowler.
Vice Chair Gort: Fowler.
Commissioner Reyes: Fowler.
Chair Russell: So do you have a motion, Commissioner Gort?
Vice Chair Gort: I do; move it.
Commissioner Hardemon: That was with Fowler?
Chair Russell: All right. Seconded by the Chair. There's a motion on the floor and
a second to move RE. 14, adding an amendment --
Commissioner Reyes: Discussion.
Chair Russell: -- in the blank for Fowler White.
Commissioner Reyes: Discussion. Open for discussion.
Commissioner Hardemon: And that's the one where the gentleman had the
conflict?
Commissioner Reyes: Yeah. The guy --that was the one that I nominated.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Chair Russell: One ata time. Go ahead.
Commissioner Reyes: I was the one that nominated it, and then we had a little
problem with the gentleman, and then we found out that you were dealing with
Cuba, because I'm going to be very clear here.
Commissioner Hardemon: Listen, I thought that's what we were here for.
Commissioner Reyes: I'm going to be very clear.
Chair Russell: One at a time.
Commissioner Reyes: I mean, it might mean -- doesn't mean -- to some people, it
doesn't mean that much, but it means a lot to me, because, I mean -- and the --
although the people -- it is a free for all now, everybody wants to do business. We
have statutes, and we have -- in our Codes, there are laws that prohibit that. You
see? And as long as it is codified, I am going to enforce it. I'm going to ask for that
enforcement.
Chair Russell: Now, could somebody representing that firm and their partners let
us know --? Answer three questions, please. There's a state statute; we have a City
resolution as well, and then we have the criteria that Commissioner Reyes has
stated very clearly in previous meetings about advising companies that deal with
Cuba. Do you have any conflict with any one of those three issues?
Luis Konski: We do not --
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Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Mr. Konski: -- represent any company doing business with Cuba.
Mr. Hannon: I'm sorry. Can you get closer to the mike, please?
Chair Russell: Your name, please.
Mr. Konski: My name is Luis Konski. I'm sorry. I'm --
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Mr. Konski: -- (UNINTELLIGIBLE) of Fowler White.
Chair Russell: Right.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Chair Russell: So you do not represent companies that work in Cuba or with
Cuba?
Mr. Konski: We're in compliance with all laws and all statutes
(UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: Right.
Commissioner Reyes: If you comply with it --
Mr. Konski: Yes.
Commissioner Reyes: --I'll vote for you then.
Mr. Konski: Yes.
Commissioner Reyes: That's it.
Mr. Konski: We don't do business with Cuba. The only company that we do
business -- which does business with Cuba, but we do not deal with them in that
capacity, and that is Carnival Cruise Line.
Commissioner Reyes: That's what -- that was a problem that -- let me ask another
question.
Chair Russell: Commissioner Reyes, just a moment, please.
Commissioner Reyes: I'm sorry.
Mr. Konski: As clarification, I understand --
Chair Russell: Just a moment; let me ask you the question. In what capacity do
you work with that cruise line company?
Mr. Konski: We represent independent contractors of Carnival Cruise Lines [sic];
mainly doctors who are on the ships.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
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Mr. Konski: But we have no cases involving anything having to do with Cuba.
Chair Russell: And you have -- and so, you do not represent that cruise line with
any of their compliance with Cuban law, with American -Cuban relations; none of
that. It's simply about medical --
Mr. Konski: Absolutely.
Chair Russell: -- issues within --
Mr. Konski: None whatsoever.
Chair Russell: -- their company? All right.
Mr. Konski: None whatsoever.
Chair Russell: Are there any questions for --?
Unidentified Speaker: I think we had a statement to that effect.
Commissioner Reyes: Another question.
Mr. Konski: Yes.
Commissioner Reyes: How much are you going to charge?
Unidentified Speaker: I'm sorry?
Commissioner Reyes: Oh, it's -- that's a very valid question, because --
Commissioner Hardemon: I have a question.
Chair Russell: Commissioner --just a moment. Commissioner Gort --
Commissioner Reyes: Yes.
Chair Russell: -- would like to hear from other attorneys. Commissioner
Hardemon has a question. Is it for Fowler?
Commissioner Hardemon: Yes. You know, in law, there are facts, and facts can be
read one way or another, but generally, they are facts, which make them universally
true. You can read a fact -- you know, as a witness, for instance, a witness can
present a fact, and the hearer of that fact can infer different things from it. What
I'm troubled with is when I listen to the statements that you put on the record, I see
other attorneys who -- you know, who are Florida Bar members, as well, shake
their head in disagreement, and I'm trying to understand -- and I'm sure it'll come
up -- if it's because they see the facts differently, or they do not agree with your
assertion of fact, because we want to make our decision based off of truth. And
there have been a lot of things that have been asserted about many of the firms that
are here about its business in Cuba. When we continued this the last time, it wasn't
to give us more time necessarily to say who we should vote for; but more so, what
are the relations with Cuba and the firms that are dealing with business in Cuba?
And so, I'll give you a chance to kind of respond to the whole assertion of fact,
because I understand you're saying, "We're in compliance with the State law, " but
you backed away from your previous statement, which was something to the effect
of who you represent in Cuba.
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Mr. Konski: We do not represent any company in Cuba, period.
Commissioner Hardemon: All right.
Mr. Konski: We've made a statement to that effect; we have provided it to the
Commission.
Commissioner Hardemon: Do you represent individuals?
Mr. Konski: No.
Richard Wood: Gentlemen, my name is Richard Wood. I'm one of the managing
shareholders at Fowler White. To be perfectly clear, we represent the independent
medical doctors that are on board these ships in connection with claims for medical
malpractice that take place on board the ships. We've not done any work with
Cuba. We've never represented and counseled clients on doing business in Cuba,
since the inception of the firm in 1943, period.
Commissioner Hardemon: Have you ever represented Carnival Cruise Line?
Mr. Wood: We've represented Carnival Cruise Line --
Commissioner Hardemon: That's Carnival --
Mr. Wood: -- in the capacity --
Commissioner Hardemon: -- Cruise Lines [sic] do business in Cuba.
Mr. Wood: -- but not in connection with counseling them on any business issues or
doing anything with business with Cuba. We've only represented the independent
contractor physicians or nurses, or physician's assistants that have claims against
them for medical malpractice for incidences that have taken place on board the
ships.
Commissioner Hardemon: Right. So I mean, I understand that very clearly.
You're saying that Carnival Cruise Lines [sic] has a contractual relationship with
the physicians that are on board their ships.
Mr. Woods: Correct.
Commissioner Hardemon: Which means that you represent those individuals?
Mr. Wood: Correct.
Commissioner Hardemon: However, you've also stated on the record that you've
represented Carnival Cruise Lines [sic]. Now, if there's a suit, I'm sure that the --
Mr. Wood: Carnival --
Commissioner Hardemon: -- lawyer will site Carnival, and then --
Mr. Wood: Correct.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- they'll sue the individual doctors.
Mr. Wood: Correct.
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Commissioner Hardemon: When that happens, who do you represent there?
Mr. Wood: We -- Carnival Cruise Lines [sic] is brought in as ancillary in many of
these cases, and Carnival Cruise Line is our client, but they are medical
malpractice defense claims. Just as we represent the university in connection with
Jackson Memorial Hospital, it's medical malpractice. It's not business advice, not
any transactional advice. It's purely medical defense for claims that had been filed
against the physicians.
Commissioner Hardemon: Right. So you have represented Carnival Cruise Lines
[sic], who does business in Cuba?
Mr. Wood: Their ships go to port. None of our cases have involved any incidences
of any -- on board any ship that has made a port of call in Cuba. But the company
as a whole -- and we're proud to represent them.
Commissioner Hardemon: You should be.
Mr. Wood: They're one of the largest and significant corporate entities in this
county; an employer and a great community citizen.
Commissioner Hardemon: And Carnival Cruise Lines [sic] -- because, you know,
I'm new to learning all the intricate details of business in Cuba, and property that
was taken from citizens or companies that did business or lived in Cuba, but in fact
-- because what I've understood was that the ports that are in Cuba, that Carnival
Cruise Lines [sic] docks at, were, in fact, ports that were confiscated from
businesses that were in Cuba before Castro took office -- took his position in the
country. Is that true?
Commissioner Reyes: Their families that are here.
Commissioner Hardemon: The families are in America.
Commissioner Reyes: The families are in America, and they're going to be suing.
Commissioner Hardemon: So -- but my question was directed to the attorney,
because I want to get his answer on the record.
Commissioner Reyes: Can I make --?
Chair Russell: Just a moment, please. Let them respond.
Commissioner Reyes: Sure, sure.
Mr. Wood: Yeah. I would have to see that. I have no personal knowledge that
that's the case. I -- and have not -- wasn't prepared, and did not realize that we'd
be researching that issue, so I couldn't comment on it.
Commissioner Hardemon: You have no personal knowledge --
Mr. Wood: But I'm glad to look at it. We would be glad to look at it.
Commissioner Hardemon: You represented Carnival Cruise Lines [sic], and you
have no personal knowledge --
Mr. Wood: We're representing Carnival Cruise Line in connection again with
medical malpractice. We have nothing --
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Commissioner Hardemon: I heard that part, but my question to you is, I want to
clarify that you said to me that you have no personal knowledge of the facts that I
just stated on the record?
Mr. Wood: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) of the title to the history of the ports and the
property?
Commissioner Hardemon: No, not me; you?
Mr. Wood: No, we don't.
Commissioner Hardemon: You have no personal knowledge of that?
Mr. Wood: With regard to the title and how the ports and how they're operated,
absolutely none.
Chair Russell: Commissioner Reyes.
Commissioner Reyes: Yes. I mean, I'm satisfied with that, but I'd rather have, I
mean, clear -- I mean -- or a commitment that you're not going to represent
anybody or the government of Cuba or anything --
Mr. Wood: I absolutely will not --
Commissioner Reyes: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Mr. Rai: -- represent (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Commissioner Reyes: But now, let me ask -- let me tell you something, and this
goes for anybody --all of you, you see. I received this. I received this. And we all
received an envelope with information inside, you see, talking about the different
folks or accusing other companies of doing business with Cuba, or that they had
had criminal problems; I mean, they're going to be accused, or they had had Bar
complaints. Shame on you. Whoever did this, shame on you.
Chair Russell: Can you submit that for the record, please?
Commissioner Reyes: Yes, I'm going to submit this --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Commissioner Reyes: -- to the record. And I think you got one; everybody one --
got one. Shame on whoever did this. You see, you know what it is that you
represent -- I mean, whoever did it. I'm not accusing. I don't know who did it. But
you represent the legal system, you represent justice, you represent the law, and
you go so low. It's just like if you were hyenas, man. I mean, I wish I knew who it
was, because if I knew for certain, I would take it upon myself to make a -- propose
a resolution that that company or that firm will not do business with the City of
Miami, ever. Lack of ethics. Lack of ethics. I mean, if you're going to win it, win it
on your own merits. And if you are doing business with Cuba, be man enough or
woman enough and say, "Yes, I'm doing" -- ma'am -- I mean, and I have to make
a penny, " and all of that. I mean, and I will say, "Well, you're making a penny.
You're making money on a suffering of the Cuban people. " But don't go so low,
man. I mean, maybe it's because I am this old, and I was brought up in different
values.
Mr. Rai: Can I (UNINTELLIGIBLE)?
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Chair Russell: Thank you.
Commissioner Reyes: But this is incredible.
Chair Russell: For the record, Commissioner Reyes is referring to an anonymous
package that was dropped off for Commissioners containing dirt on several firms
with their relations to Cuba, et cetera. Commissioner Gort.
Vice Chair Gort: I have to confirm that. I received that, and I threw it away. I
mean, it's ridiculous to see the way sometimes we function in this City. People
wanted -- they don't want to gain the contract because of their ability to perform.
They want to gain it by destroying and sending -- It's ridiculous.
Commissioner Reyes: I have a question.
Chair Russell: All right.
Commissioner Reyes: One of you are -- I mean, somebody brought to my attention.
You have somebody that names O'Melveney?
Chair Russell: Yes. That's one of their partners that's on this --
Commissioner Reyes: And it says that economic sanction (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
relations (UNINTELLIGIBLE) as well as economic sanction (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
trade with Cuba. (UNINTELLIGIBLE), Iraq, Lybia, Sudan, and Syria. (Expletive),
this is worse.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay. Represent U.S. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) companies in
obtaining a (UNINTELLIGIBLE) authorization, licenses, and advisories opinions
under the EAR and -- Wow.
Chair Russell: What are you reading from, Commissioner? I'm sorry.
Commissioner Reyes: I'm reading from there.
Chair Russell: What is it?
Commissioner Reyes: From -- somebody -- I mean --
Chair Russell: Is it from that anonymous package, or this is from --?
Commissioner Reyes: No. This is from their --
Chair Russell: Their website. Okay, got it. I got it.
Mr. Rai: So if I may?
Commissioner Reyes: Absolutely.
Mr. Raij: I'm with O'Melveny. I think you're referring to a bio of one of my
partners in Washington, DC (District of Colombia) --
Commissioner Reyes: Yeah.
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Mr. Rai: -- who is a U.S. sanctions lawyer; does not advise on any Cuba law; does
not active -- does not represent any company in Cuba; does not do anything --
advises strictly, solely on U.S. law. I've spoken to her. She has no active matters in
Cuba. She doesn't -- again, we do not do business in Cuba.
Commissioner Reyes: But --
Mr. Rai: But she advises on U.S. law.
Commissioner Reyes: -- the way that it is advertised, it says that -- I mean,
advising on obtaining licenses to do business with Iran, with Cuba.
Mr. Rai: She advises on U.S. law from the U.S. -- that's issued by -- The U.S.
government has multiple laws related to doing business around the world. She
advises on U.S. law. We do not -- I repeat -- we do not interact with any foreign
government on these issues, period. We do not represent any business in Cuba. We
do not represent any client in Cuba.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Commissioner Carollo: The --
Chair Russell: All right. What we're going to do now is we're going to open the
floor for public comment, which means anyone, including those who are -- who
have answered this request for letters, may speak at this time, and any
Commissioner may ask you questions at that time. So if you'd give your two
minutes --
Commissioner Carollo: No. You --
Chair Russell: -- ifyou need -- and any Commissioner.
Commissioner Carollo: -- can't do that. You have a motion on the floor.
Commissioner Reyes: Right.
Chair Russell: Yes.
Commissioner Carollo: So you can't --
Ms. Mendez: Before --
Commissioner Carollo: -- open it up when you have a motion on the floor.
Chair Russell: Absolutely, we can. We absolutely must have public comment for
anything we vote on, and we're about to vote.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah. Well, then you have to withdraw the motion on the
floor.
Chair Russell: Not at all. I apologize, but for procedural, we have a motion, we
have a second; we're now opening for public comment and discussion. That's all.
There's no separate motion here.
Ms. Mendez: I would ask, though, if you have already spoken, and you're going to -
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Vice Chair Gort: I'll withdraw the motion.
Ms. Mendez: --say the same thing with regard to public comment --
Commissioner Carollo: Okay.
Ms. Daly: -- that you've said in the past, then --
Commissioner Carollo: Motion is withdrawn.
Chair Russell: I'm sorry; you're not the Chairman.
Vice Chair Gort: No. I'm withdrawing the motion.
Chair Russell: And I understand.
Commissioner Carollo: And you know what? I'm glad I'm not, so I don't have to
answer somebody else.
Chair Russell: So there was a motion. There was a second. We were about to
open for public comment. The motion has been withdrawn. Is there a new motion?
If not, we won't be taking this item up.
Later...
Chair Russell: Back to the other item on the floor, RE. 14.
Vice Chair Gort: Okay. My question was, I wanted the other firms to be able to
speak, but if I withdraw the motion, we still can discuss --
Chair Russell: Yes.
Vice Chair Gort: Okay.
Chair Russell: We can discuss it, and we can make another motion at that time --
Vice Chair Gort: All right.
Chair Russell: -- if any minds have changed.
Vice Chair Gort: Okeydoke.
Chair Russell: So the motion's withdrawn. We're going to open the floor for public
comment. Any attorneys here would like to speak, anyone from the public would
like to speak on RE.14 only, please, you each have two minutes, and the
Commissioners can feel free to ask you questions.
Ana Maria Pando: Good afternoon. My name is Judge Ana Maria Pando. I'm a
retired Miami -Dade County judge, and I was one of the firms. I'm the principal of
the firm that -- one of the firms that submitted a letter of interest. You all were here
for my presentation; I'm not going to rehash it. You all know me. I bring to the
table institutional knowledge which nobody else can bring. I was an Assistant City
Attorney for just short of a decade, because then I became a County Court Judge.
As a County Court Judge, I did nothing but landlord tenant. Actually, I did
landlord tenant and a lot of (UNINTELLIGIBLE) cases. As a -- when I was
assigned to Hialeah branch courthouse; therefore, I bring that to the table that I
don't believe any other firm can. And what I bring is the fact that I can make
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decisions -- to the table anybody else can; I'm sorry -- the fact that I can make
decisions, and the fact that can tell "no" to powerful and strong people, because I
did it as a judge. And I can anticipate litigation, because I reviewed, during the
eight years that I was doing landlord tenant, many, many commercial leases, and I
handled the disputes related to those commercial leases. In addition to my -- to
what I bring to the table that no other firm can bring, I also have on my team a
lawyer by the name of (UNINTELLIGIBLE); he's present here. He has been doing
real estate for 15 years and --for 20 years; I'm sorry -- he has been underwriting
real estate deals for 20 years under -- as a member of Attorneys Title, and he brings
the real estate experience necessary for this particular deal. And in addition to
that, I have Moises Grayson, who does nothing but commer -- who does -- when I
said, "nothing, " he -- of course, he has to eat and everything else, but when he is
working, he is looking at commercial leases of this type. He has done leases
involving $75 million deals, $100 million deals, and I -- we can do this with a team
of 15 lawyers, at $250 an hour. And together, we bring to the table 30, 30 -- about
85 years of legal experience; 10 of which involve my experience as a judge, doing
landlord tenant work. So -- and we're only a phone call away. We're very
accessible. We're down -- I mean, my office is down the street from here, on 37th
Avenue and 23rd Street. And, you know --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Pando: -- we're effective. And at the end of the day, if -- I just found out this
morning that if you want -- what you want is stadium experience, Moises Grayson
actually worked on the acquisition and the development -- the financing of Joe
Robbie Stadium, so we bring that to the table, too.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Ms. Pando: Thank you very much.
Commissioner Reyes: Mr. Chair?
Ms. Pando: And I do not do business with Cuba. Appreciate it.
Commissioner Reyes: Mr. Chair --
Chair Russell: Commissioner Reyes.
Commissioner Reyes: -- I want to -- once again, I want to state that -- I want to
make the statement that this is not a stadium deal, you see. The stadium is a
minimal part of the major, major real estate development that is going to be done
there. I have heard thatpeople come and they say, "We're going to bring an expert
from Germany. " We don't need an expert from Germany to -- I mean, anybody can
deal with a little stadium that is 28 (UNINTELLIGIBLE). I bet that I get -- the
Chairman here can deal with that deal. The deal is a major real estate deal. And
what I wanted somebody that knows about real estate that -- and doesn't charge an
arm and a leg, because they're going to bring an expert from --
Chair Russell: All right.
Commissioner Reyes: -- Germany. This is not the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) that is
going to play here. This not going to be a league from Spain or
(UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: Let's hold discussion and just do public comment, and any questions
you have of the attorneys at this point, please. Any questions?
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Commissioner Reyes: That's right. How much are you going to charge?
Ms. Pando: $250 an hour.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Commissioner Carollo: Well, why so much? They said they'd do it for 175.
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Ms. Pando: Last time I was before you -- I don't know if you remember --
Commissioner Carollo: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Ms. Pando: I don't think, Commissioner Carollo, you were here; your brother was
here. Last time I was before you, I basically lost the proposal, because the firm
said they were going to do it for free, so I'm not surprised. But at the end of the
day, we'll do it for $250 an hour.
Commissioner Reyes: 200 --
Ms. Pando: I worked for the City. There were days I was making $.50 an hour,
and that's okay.
Commissioner Carollo: Well --
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Commissioner Carollo: --you know --
Commissioner Reyes: $250 --
Chair Russell: Gentlemen, one at a time, please.
Commissioner Reyes: -- and that include the expert on --
Ms. Pando: There's no expert.
Commissioner Reyes: -- stadium. Okay.
Ms. Pando: You know, we have in these proposals --
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Ms. Pando: -- you know, there's a proposal that's bringing somebody from
Germany; another one from Connecticut.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Pando: There's no need for that.
Chair Russell: Commissioner Carollo.
Commissioner Carollo: A point of interest, we have a new restaurant that will be
opening in Calle Ocho. We recently had a real nice one that opened up; now we
got a second one, and the cook's name is Jorge Has. So I don't know if, you know,
there's a connection there or not, but that's the cook's name; Jorge Has.
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Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Commissioner Reyes: I thought (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: So this is a little bit of what I was trying to avoid in terms of
creating a selection committee here with, you know, a whole question and answer
session, but here we are.
Commissioner Reyes: Next, sir.
Chair Russell: We're going to keep going two minutes apiece, please, and any
questions you have for the attorneys.
Angela de Cespedes: Good afternoon, everyone. Angela de Cespedes, with Shutts
and Bowen. I'm one of the three law firms that was recommended by the City
Attorney. I want to address a couple of points. We actually delivered a packet to
the Commissioners, I believe, yesterday, and it was an amendment. Mr. Carollo --
Commissioner Carollo asked for real estate experience, and we provided all of the
Commissioners and the City Attorney and the Assistant City Attorney with more
detail about Shutts and Bowen's real estate experience, which I think is critical, and
it goes to your point, Commissioner Reyes. All this talk about Cuba -- and by the
way, let me just say for the record, O Melveney's position that their lawyers advise
clients with respect to U.S. laws that relates to Cuba, that is exactly what we do; no
more, no less. So we're in the exact same position as Fowler White on that issue;
exactly the same. Okay?
Commissioner Reyes: How much you're going to charge?
Ms. De Cespedes: I cannot speak to that, sir. I -- unfortunate -- you know, to get
up here and to say that to you, but I will tell you is it doesn't take a team of 15
people, like Ms. Pando just said.
Commissioner Reyes: Well, you know (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: Let's not talk about other attorneys and stick to our --
Ms. De Cespedes: Okay.
Chair Russell: Yeah.
Commissioner Reyes: Yes.
Ms. De Cespedes: Yes. And I'm not authorized to give you a price, and that's
something that we can negotiate.
Commissioner Reyes: But (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Ms. De Cespedes: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) think -- but one of the things that we told
you in our original submission is that we do it for a discounted rate of 425, but it's
only going to take two lawyers. We've done hundreds of these ground leases --
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Ms. De Cespedes: -- hundreds.
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Commissioner Reyes: But I don't want the City of Miami to get then a bill for $5
million for this deal, because it doesn't matter; we're going to -- we're not going to
recoup this --
Ms. De Cespedes: There's not going to be --
Commissioner Reyes: -- okay, of 3 or $4 million. We had had bills like that, and
you know that. Okay?
Chair Russell: All right. Thank you.
Ms. De Cespedes: I'll tell you this much. I'll tell you this much. If we do it, we're
going to spend as much time as needs to be spent to do it correctly --
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Ms. De Cespedes: -- so you don't find yourselves in a mess down the road.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay, 450. You're -- that's it. Okay.
Chair Russell: All right.
Ms. De Cespedes: Anyway, again, just to address. We are qualified. We have --
we are here. We are in Miami. We've been in Miami for 110 years. We've
negotiated hundreds of these ground leases.
Commissioner Reyes: But --
Ms. De Cespedes: We have all of the real estate capabilities necessary to do it.
And with respect to the comments -- the firms in Connecticut and the firms in
Germany, that is a miniscule portion of it, and please don't disregard that, because
the attorney in Germany has negotiated stadium deals for 30 different soccer
stadiums, and there are nuances, Commissioner. There are nuances.
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Ms. De Cespedes: And the Connecticut firm --
Commissioner Reyes: But we don't --
Ms. De Cespedes: -- is in a very particular position to help us obtain additional
revenue as a result of the negotiations on the lease, because they've had a massive
redevelopment in Hartford, Connecticut, which is why we brought them in. And
they have very, very interesting methodology to go home and extract additional
revenue that you all have not contemplated, and that is why we brought them in,
because at the end of the day, what are we doing here? We're trying to do
something good for the City. We're trying to bring revenue to the City. We're
trying --
Commissioner Reyes: Yes, ma'am.
Ms. De Cespedes: -- to create something that's, quite frankly, going to be a legacy
for all of you --
Commissioner Reyes: Legacy. You mean --
Ms. De Cespedes: -- here at the City.
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Commissioner Reyes: -- that destroying that park is going to be a legacy?
Ms. De Cespedes: They're building a new park.
Commissioner Reyes: Oh. They're not building anew park.
Chair Russell: All right. Let's not get --
Commissioner Reyes: I'm sorry; I'm voting fully against you. That's it.
Chair Russell: Please.
Commissioner Reyes: That's it.
Ms. De Cespedes: Thank you.
Chair Russell: Let's not get into the substance of the deal itself. Next, please.
Thank you.
Gustavo Membiela: Good afternoon. Gustavo Membiela, from Hunton Andrews
Kurth. We are also one of the three recommended firms. We are the most qualified
firm of the three recommended firms, and just -- you know, we have real estate
lawyers here in Miami. We've been here for 20 years. We have 85 lawyers across
the country, but I wanted to address three specific points to this Commission. One
of them is, in terms of the proposals of other two qualified firms, both of those
proposals involve multiple firms. We are the only firm that, on its own, has these
qualifications with our partners. You know --
Chair Russell: Internally.
Many Gustavo: Yeah. Mark, who was here before this Commission before on his
stadium experience, and our local real estate team who has the real estate
experience. Conflicts -wise, we do not do anything in front of this Commission. We
do not have a land use practice. We do not have a government relations practice
here in Florida. So we have no conflicts, no appearance of conflicts, in terms of
this representation with the City. The last point is that I want to raise -- because
there's been a lot of talk about my firm, and what we do in Cuba, what we don't do
in Cuba. And the discussion by this dais has been both factually and legally
incorrect, and let me tell you why. The statute -- the Florida Statute that you keep
referring to, that statute may be on the books, but it doesn't apply. Governor Scott,
when he signed it into law, said, I'm signing this into law. There's a savings
clause in this statute, but it is unenforceable, " okay? It is unenforceable. And the
decision by this Commission to exclude any firm on the basis of what they do or
don't do in Cuba is a violation of the U.S. Constitution --
Commissioner Reyes: How (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Mr. Gustavo: -- and the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) clause in the Constitution. And as to
what we do in Cuba, we do no more or no less than what the attorney from
O'Helveny told you there. We represent clients with respect to U.S. law. We
advise them on what their obligations are under U.S. sanctions. Under the Office of
Foreign and Asset Control, are you complying? Are you not complying? Should
you not be doing this? And what do you do -- you know -- and how do you go
forward with your business, and how do you divest? You know, a lot of it is
(UNINTELLIGIBLE) transactions, where there may have been a multinational
(UNINTELLIGIBLE), and there's (UNINTELLIGIBLE) for divestiture.
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Commissioner Reyes: Okay, sir. You have any relationship with any of the elected
ojficials; the Mayor, or anybody else?
Mr. Gustavo: Do I have any relationships?
Commissioner Reyes: Yes, yes.
Mr. Gustavo: Well, I've known you and your son for many, many years.
Commissioner Reyes: That's right. But that's --
Mr. Gustavo: For many, many years.
Commissioner Reyes: --why I don't want you to think that it's personal. It is not
personal, you see. And how much -- I mean, let's do it -- you claim that you didn't
do it -- I mean, that now nobody -- now nobody does business with Cuba. And they
have -- all the Facebooks -- you see, you open their Facebook pages, and they are
so proud of their knowledge and their business that they do in Cuba, and how much
access they have to the government and to the attorneys in Cuba. And now nobody
wants to do it, you see. I think that we should listen to you guys and make a
decision, and we should take into consideration also how much are we going to be
paying. That is my --
Chair Russell: Criteria.
Commissioner Reyes: -- criteria.
Mr. Gustavo: Mr. Reyes, to your point, like I told you last time I was here, the
Cuba practice is me. I'm the one that does the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) advice. And
you know how many times I've gone to Cuba? None. None. I've never negotiated
with a Cuban official. I've never done anything with a Cuban official. We don't
take clients to Cuba. We certified --
Commissioner Reyes: I believe you.
Mr. Gustavo: -- it in an RFP response. Okay.
Commissioner Reyes: I believe you.
Mr. Gustavo: Thank you.
Commissioner Reyes: My decision is not going to be on your relationship with
(UNINTELLIGIBLE) Castro or Raul Castro. No, it's not going to be based on that.
Mr. Gustavo: All right.
Commissioner Reyes: It is going to be based on something else, or -- neither on the
benefits that your clients are -- I mean, given the benefits that they bring to the
Cuban government, which oppresses us. It's not going to be based on that, you see.
That's for the record.
Chair Russell: Thank you, Commissioner Reyes.
Mr. Gustavo: And just to, Mr. Reyes -- to that last question, Commissioner Reyes --
and I would just have -- you know, if -- so that you can be true to your word, and
you understand what are our qualifications for this, I would have you look at the
deal that we are doing for the State of New York, where it is a full commercial real
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estate development where we won a public RFP (Request for Proposals) for the
State of New York, where there's a hotel and there's commercial development, and
there is a stadium attached to that, which is very similar to this in terms of the real
estate type of transaction that this City is doing, and I thank you for your time.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Good morning.
Edward Martos: Good morning. Thank you for your patience. Thank you for the
opportunity to speak.
Commissioner Reyes: I just received another -- I mean, what the hell's going on
around here? This is just like -- I mean, it's --
Mr. Martos: Commissioner --
Commissioner Reyes: -- a pack of wolves.
Mr. Martos: -- I'm happy -- I see what you're holding up; I'm happy to speak to
that.
Commissioner Reyes: Man, another page disqualifying somebody else. I mean, I
never seen this. Shame on all of you guys. Okay. You see, (UNINTELLIGIBLE). I
mean, you're an attorney, man. You know, I always had such a high opinion of
attorneys, and now, Jesus Christ, just to get a contract, it is just like a pack of
wolves; just to get a contract.
Chair Russell: All right.
Commissioner Carollo: Now you know, Commissioner, why you never see an
attorney with his hand in his own pocket.
Commissioner Reyes: You know, some people say I'm -- there's an old saying in
Cuba that says, "Entre abogado to vea, "you see. When you want something bad to
some people to happen, you say, "Entrepreneurship abogado to vea." And that
translation, see, I hope I see you between" -- "among lawyers, because you are
going to be bad. " Its going to be bad for you. I mean, I never thought about that.
My goodness. You see, I -- please, somebody make a motion, and let's --
Commissioner Hardemon: Listen, before --
Chair Russell: Well, we're in public comment now, please.
Commissioner Hardemon: We're in public comment, and Mr. Chairman, once
they're completed, I would like to be recognized.
Chair Russell: Gladly.
Mr. Martos: Commissioners, thank you again for the opportunity. My name is
Edward Martos, office at 2525 Ponce De Leon Boulevard. I'm here on behalf of my
law firm, Weiss Scrota Helfman. You all know Weiss Scrota Helfman well. We've
represented the City in the past. We've represented just about every local
government in Miami -Dade County at one point or another. Currently, we're of
counsel for 13 governments just in Miami -Dade County. We also represent
governments in -- elsewhere in South Florida. I think that qualification alone puts
us above the rest, as somebody capable of addressing the City of Miami's needs and
servicing this issue. It is a real estate deal. We completely agree that it's a real
estate deal. We handle all the real estate transactions for those governments, in-
house. We have that experience. Now, Commissioner Reyes is holding up apiece
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of paper with a bio of one of our attorneys. That biography is for Alan Fertel. He
is a sports and entertainment lawyer, and at one point he was trying to get talent
outside of Cuba; in other words, players; not a corporation, not the government of
Cuba, but rather have a player exit the country. By the way, the player was not
able to leave the country, okay? But it did appear on his bio, and that's the concern
he's going to raise. With respect, Commissioner Reyes, to your concern about pay,
we've done many deals for real estate projects for governments, and we routinely
have developers pay the legal fees. That's exactly what we would propose here. In
terms of what the fees would be for our partners, we would charge 350 an hour; for
our associates, we charge 300 an hour; for one partner in particular, who's with a
joint firm of ours, we would charge $425 an hour. But again, we routinely include
in our contracts -- and we've done this very successfully for multiple governments --
a provision where the developer ends up paying the bill. So the City would not
incur legal fees under our proposal. Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Commissioner Carollo: But those fees --
Chair Russell: You have a question, Commissioner Carollo, first?
Commissioner Carollo: -- are all negotiable, right?
Mr. Martos: I'm sorry?
Commissioner Carollo: Those fees are all negotiable, correct?
Mr. Martos: Yes, they are.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah, I figured that.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Mr. Martos: You're very welcome.
Chair Russell: Good morning.
Hugo Alvarez: Good afternoon, Commissioners.
Chair Russell: Good afternoon.
Mr. Alvarez: Hugo Alvarez, on behalf of Becker and Poliakoff. And I think our
name -- when you hear the name of our law firm, it's synonymous with real estate. I
agree with the comments that Commissioner Carollo and Commissioner Reyes had
made repeatedly. The law firm that this -- that the Commission hires needs to be
qualified, and needs to be well -versed as it relates to real estate. One of the unique
qualifications of our law firm that none of the other law firms has is we have more
Board-certified planned development and real estate attorneys than all the other
law firms that are applying combined. And why does that matter? Because we're
the only law firm that can actually say before all of you, we have experts, Board-
certified experts in the area that you need legal assistance with. You have a City
Attorney that's Board-certified in municipality law; she's an expert. We have the
Board-certified attorneys in real estate. We have the Board-certified attorneys in
planned development. You won't hear me talk about Cuba, and you won't hear me
talk about conflict issues, because we're a real estate law firm. We have been since
we star -- we founded approximately 50 years ago, and in that time period, we've
garnered probably --
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Commissioner Reyes: Which one is your firm?
Mr. Alvarez: Becker and Poliakoff.
Commissioner Reyes: Becker and Poliakoff. You know, I --
Chair Russell: Can you let him finish?
Commissioner Reyes: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Listen, I'm going crazy.
Mr. Alvarez: Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you. You have a question for him?
Commissioner Reyes: No, no, no. I heard enough. But can we -- as a body, we
need an attorney, right? Can we name Commissioner Keon Hardemon as the
negotiator? You see, I -- my motion is --
Commissioner Hardemon: Now, you remember that when I leave this dais.
Chair Russell: Commissioner Hardemon asked for the floor.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay. My motion is to -- I'm proposing Commissioner Keon
Hardemon, because I trust him, and I think that he is going to be -- and he is -- I
mean, he won't charge us that much money, you know.
Commissioner Hardemon: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) the rate.
Commissioner Reyes: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: Thank you. One at a time. He is the attorney among us.
Commissioner Hardemon: Trust me; I think I can get partners to come in with me
to make an intelligent decision about this.
Commissioner Reyes: Would you accept that?
Commissioner Hardemon: If I could, right? So this is what I suggest. I think -- I
admire all the attorneys that have come before us that are making their case for
representation in this matter. I think it's an important decision that we're making.
We've talked a lot -- about a lot of different things that matter to us; some things
that are not applicable by law and some things that are; some things that should be
considered. But the one thing that we have to also consider is that this is more than
a relationship with the City of Miami. This is a relationship with our City
Attorney's Office. And so, when we're discussing this sort of matter, we need to
understand that the attorneys' offices are going to be working together. You know,
there are -- I remember what was deemed as the "Dream Team, " and all attorneys
know who the Dream Team was, but they didn't get along. The team did not get
along, you know, and that -- and the win that the Dream Team had does not
necessarily come on the back of the attorneys, in a sense of, you know, there was
poor witnesses for the State, and some mishandled evidence, and that goes a long
way when you're looking at facts. And so, I say that to say, is that we don't want a
mishap of that. And so, what I'd like to do is I'd like to make a motion that gives --
The City Attorney's Office gave us a number of different teams, and we've heard at
least two motions that describe firms on this dais, from last meeting and from this
meeting. And so, my thought would be that -- and not before -- we nominate two
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attorneys' firms, and allow the City Attorney's Office to negotiate with those two
attorneys' firms, and then come back to us and let us know who they determine --
Commissioner Reyes: Can you please name --
Commissioner Hardemon: -- would be the best.
Commissioner Reyes: --the two?
Commissioner Hardemon: Right. I would name those two to be what was moved
by the Vice Chair -- I mean, by -- yeah, by the Vice Chairman, Fowler White and
Burnett, and then also Shutts and Bowen.
Commissioner Reyes: No.
Chair Russell: There's been a motion. Is there a second?
Commissioner Carollo: I --
Vice Chair Gort: Second.
Chair Russell: It's been seconded by Commissioner Gort.
Commissioner Carollo: Discussion.
Chair Russell: Further discussion.
Commissioner Reyes: I -- I'm -- and let me tell you, after hearing the lady from
Shutts, I don't have -- You see, we have to understand that you cannot have any --
besides the Cuban deal, or the thing is -- but you cannot have any, I will say, a
preference or be sympathetic to the mass, to the people that are going to -- that
make this development. The lady made a statement that they said they're building a
new park. That means that she is already, already -- she is already partial, and that
-- I think that is very dangerous. Besides -- and I have friends in that firm, but that
statement will preclude me -- that statement alone will preclude me from voting for
them, you see; that statement, because that shows favoritism; that shows that
impress -- she's impressed by those people that she's going to be dealing with, and
we are in this predicament because of our lack -- of my lack -- particularly mine,
and I think Commissioner Carollo -- lack of trust of the Administration, because the
Administration, they had been cheerleaders for the project. You understand? And
that's why we are in this predicament. And I cannot vote or recommend anybody
that makes that statement that they are so impressed and in awe with the
development that is going to be made here. I want somebody that is going to go
and represent us for the best of the City, not like that. I'm sorry, but Shutts, I will
not vote for them.
Chair Russell: Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner Hardemon, I actually -- I
think what you said was actually really well said, the analysis to -- it's not so much
about the one firm, but it's how well the team works together.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay. If you bring another --
Chair Russell: I'm sorry. Sorry.
Commissioner Reyes: --firm --
Chair Russell: I'm sorry, Commissioner --
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Commissioner Reyes: -- I will --
Chair Russell: Let me finish. But I -- and I think this is what should have been
done in the first place. This is allowing our City Attorney to use their discretion.
And I think what we need, if we -- if this motion passes, and these two are sent to
the City Attorney, and she works together and negotiates, or whatever, and brings
something back that we affirm whatever the City Attorney chooses. I believe as --
that should be -- I mean, obviously, it'll be a majority, so it may not be everybody,
but I think that's our charge here, and I think your suggestion is a very good one;
that, you know, rather than us choosing and then forcing the City Attorney to work
with someone that we have chosen, this originally should have been the City
Attorney's choice that we were ajfrming or denying, period. And so, this method
that you've chosen, allowing us to narrow it down to two and sending it back to the
City Attorney, is actually quite a good one, so I appreciate that. So there's a motion
and a second. I'm just going to finish up public comment. If there's anyone who
hasn't spoken yet on RE. 14, and if there's any further discussion -- if anyone has
questions for the attorneys who are here --
Commissioner Carollo: There are --
Chair Russell: Did you speak on RE. 14 yet? You are welcomed to speak.
Brenda Betancourt: Not yet. Brenda Betancourt, 1436 Southwest 6th Street. I just
want to actually thank Commissioner Carollo and Commissioner Reyes to stick to
themselves [sic] to -- trying to get not the same, same all over again. I think the
Marlin [sic] Park give us a really bad taste of the deals. They -- it's still in place.
They cannot be fixed, because the bad decision that was made before. So I
commend both of you to do it. To me, I think it's great if we can get the lowest rate,
because sometimes you pay more for an advice to --from an attorney, and then you
realize that, "Oh, that was what was thinking, and now I'm paying somebody a big
rate to do what I was already confirming. " It's like -- it's just an opinion. And
sometimes attorney forget that they work for you. So when attorneys forget that
they -- actually, their job is to make your life easier, and not just charge you for
every half an hour or for a phone call. I think it's very important that
Commissioner Reyes said that the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) should be great. We have a
great attorneys. And I know Judge Pando for a long time. I was in her court. I
used to manage the Hialeah Courthouse. And if somebody is going to tell you in
your face, `Like it or not, no, " it's going to be her. And she's not going to care
about what people think; she's going to do the right thing. At least to me, that's
(UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- you should consider one of those two firms, because
somebody's going to tell you the truth and not going to go around because other
reasons, it will be her. Most people don't like it, but it's better the truth than feel
sorry later when you have to pay the price, the way we're paying prices right now
with the Marlins, with the 11 o'clock at night, fireworks; that you hear it 20 blocks
around, or the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) in front. We, as a city, can cannot use it,
because they don't allow you to use it; or your parking lots, that they are empty,
and we cannot use it, because the Marlin deal is preventing us to use it. So I hope
that you guys do the right thing; not just for the deal, but for the citizens of the City
of Miami.
Commissioner Reyes: I --
Chair Russell: Thank you. I'm closing public comment now. There's a motion and
a second to narrow down of the selection process --
Commissioner Reyes: I --
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Chair Russell: -- to both Shutts and Fowler. And you're not looking for the City
Attorney to make a recommendation today, are you --
Commissioner Hardemon: No. I --
Chair Russell: -- in that motion?
Commissioner Hardemon: No. I think that what will happen is that the City
Attorney's Office will meet with them --
Chair Russell: Yes.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- and they will --
Chair Russell: Bring back recommendation.
Commissioner Reyes: I will --
Commissioner Hardemon: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) whoever they choose is who we
choose.
Commissioner Reyes: I will have --
Chair Russell: Right.
Commissioner Reyes: -- I would love to make an amendment, and this be Fowler
and somebody else, and leave Shutts out, because as I said, I don't have any trust on
what that --
Chair Russell: There's been an amendment.
Commissioner Reyes: -- according to the statement, the statement made -- I mean -
- I think that it is going to be partial to the developers.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Commissioner Hardemon: Mr. Chairman?
Chair Russell: There's been an --
Commissioner Hardemon: Mr. Chairman?
Chair Russell: --amendment requested to remove Shutts from that motion. Does
the mover accept the amendment?
Commissioner Hardemon: I want to respond to you, because I think, you know, my
colleagues deserve a response. I completely understand exactly what you're saying.
And the only reason I'm not willing to accept the amendment is because sometimes
we disagree about what we believe is a park versus green space; and so, on this
dais, we talk about these things. And so, if it was represented to the public that that
was going to be a park, and someone says it's going to be a park, I just kind of take
it as a statement of fact and not necessarily an --
Commissioner Reyes: Sir --
Commissioner Hardemon: -- emotional appeal to (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
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Commissioner Reyes: -- you are an excellent attorney, and you are an excellent --
Chair Russell: One at a time, please.
Commissioner Reyes: -- orator.
Chair Russell: Let him finish.
Commissioner Reyes: Yeah.
Chair Russell: Just (UNINTELLIGIBLE), please.
Commissioner Hardemon: I'm finished, I'm finished, I'm finished.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Commissioner Hardemon: I'm finished.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Commissioner Reyes.
Commissioner Reyes: You are an excellent attorney, and you are an excellent
orator. I speak with an accent, but I don't hear with an accent, okay?
Commissioner Hardemon: I have an accent, too.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay. I heard what the lady said and the way that she said
it. She turned to me and she said, "But they're building a new park there, " and that
shows her disposition. And I know people that work in Shutts that I love as a
brother, you see, but I am consistent. I am consistent. And that statement was
clear. It was not misspoken. It was not -- it was -- that -- it was a conviction that
they were doing the right thing, you see. And it's -- she said, It is a signature
project thatyou" -- "it's going to be your legacy. " To me, it's not a signature park.
If you say that, that means that you like the project, that you're in favor of the
project. That's why I humbly ask you --
Commissioner Hardemon: Right.
Commissioner Reyes: -- to name somebody else, because I don't trust the
impartiality of the person --
Commissioner Hardemon: Understood.
Commissioner Reyes: -- of the lady. And I'm sorry; I don't know the lady, and I
don't have anything personal against anybody. This is a project that I had stated
my position from day one. I think it's a horrible project for the City of Miami, and I
-- I mean, I want somebody that it is going to represent the City not on my view or
your view that you voted for it; on the benefit for the City of Miami --
Chair Russell: All right. (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Commissioner Reyes: -- without having any favoritism.
Chair Russell: Got it. So mover does not accept the amendment?
Commissioner Carollo: And --
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Commissioner Hardemon: But I think he has the option of -- they have the option
of Fowler, and I thought I was being fair with Fowler, including it in the motion.
Commissioner Carollo: Can I suggest something else, even though I don't like the
idea at all, because --
Commissioner Reyes: I don't either.
Commissioner Carollo: -- ofgiving --
Chair Russell: Bring the mike down a little.
Commissioner Carollo: -- the City Attorney, the City Manager, the Assistant
Attorney, the Parks Director, whoever, the prerogative that we have, and it's our
final responsibility? The buck stops here. I don't like to play Pontius Pilate and
wash my hands. However, having said that, would the maker of the motion accept
maybe a third firm?
Commissioner Hardemon: I would.
Commissioner Carollo: So that in case we don't come to an agreement on the first,
there's a little more wiggle room, because we have to come and make a decision on
this already.
Commissioner Hardemon: But the only way that I would accept the amendment to
include a third farm is if -- whatever the City Attorney's Office determines --
Chair Russell: Of those three.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- who it should be, then that's who it should be,
because they've made -- they've -- and I don't -- and I agree with you in the sense of
I don't want to -- I would -- I don't -- it is not a habit of mine to give my authority to
anyone besides us.
Commissioner Carollo: Okay. So --
Commissioner Hardemon: But I think that this would be a good way of allowing
someone who's going to work so intimately with them --
Commissioner Carollo: Well --
Commissioner Hardemon: -- to make a decision.
Commissioner Carollo: -- I'm going to name one of the two firms that I believe are
the best qualified. I think you have one in the group that was chosen. The other
one I'm going to name is Becker Poliakoff.
Commissioner Hardemon: I would agree.
Commissioner Reyes: Well, if you --
Commissioner Carollo: At least --
Commissioner Reyes: -- name -- if you propose them, I will second you, so we vote
now.
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Commissioner Carollo: At least we get some wiggle room there, and I feel
comfortable that we have at least two of the major firms; that either one have
sufficient experience in the real estate side, which, to me, is the most important, and
that have enough good attorneys to -- that have had experience in the stadium deals
to go into that too, but the most important thing here is commercial real estate,
because that's what the bulk of this whole project is. I don't think that we'd be
talking about this --
Commissioner Reyes: Nope.
Commissioner Carollo: -- if it weren't for the commercial real estate side.
Chair Russell: Thank you. So the mover accepts the amendment?
Commissioner Hardemon: I would accept that amendment.
Chair Russell: Does the seconder accept the amendment?
Chair Russell: Yes. So we have all agreed.
Commissioner Carollo: I would only add this --
Commissioner Reyes: I --
Commissioner Carollo: -- that we emphasize to the City Attorney also that price is
a factor.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Commissioner Carollo: Price is a factor.
Chair Russell: Now, if -- I'd like to clam this motion, based on what
Commissioner Hardemon has said. Is this a pre -affirmation of the choice of the
City Attorney, or does she need to bring it back to us? Are we saying of these three,
whichever one the City Attorney chooses, that's Scripture?
Commissioner Reyes: I can --
Chair Russell: Does she need to bring it back?
Commissioner Reyes: -- not go along --
Chair Russell: Just a moment.
Commissioner Reyes: -- with that.
Chair Russell: I'm asking the mover.
Commissioner Reyes: As long as that firm is in there, I cannot go along with that.
Chair Russell: Okay.
Commissioner Reyes: Because I -- I mean, I have to trust the impartiality of a firm
that is going to -- and that trust has been broken, you see, with that statement.
Vice Chair Gort: Mr. Chairman?
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Commissioner Reyes: I mean, it is the same thing that I have with the
Administration; that they were, and still are -- the Manager is the cheerleader for
the project.
Chair Russell: You 've said it. Thank you.
Commissioner Reyes: You see?
Chair Russell: Commissioner Gort.
Commissioner Reyes: And I cannot vote for that.
Chair Russell: Understood. Commissioner Gort.
Commissioner Reyes: I cannot vote for that.
Vice Chair Gort: My understanding is their job is to come up with the best deal
that will bring the most benefit to the City of Miami.
Commissioner Reyes: Yes.
Vice Chair Gort: And that's their job with the City Attorney; to sit down, and with
her -- our people, the Administration, and come up with the best plan that is going
to give the most favor among the funds to the City of Miami and benefit to the City
of Miami, to the residents. Then, after they do that, that's the -- they entitled to do -
- the Administration come with a plan. They come to us, then we vote if we like it or
not.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Commissioner Reyes: No, but what I --
Chair Russell: Commissioner Hardemon. Just a moment, please --
Commissioner Reyes: -- what I'm not going to (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: --please, please.
Commissioner Reyes: Hold on a second.
Chair Russell: One at a time --
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Chair Russell: --please.
Commissioner Reyes: Please --
Chair Russell: I would just like to understand the motion. If it's a pre -approval of
any one of the three --
Commissioner Reyes: No. The thing is that --
Chair Russell: -- (UNINTELLIGIBLE) or would you like it to come back to us?
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Commissioner Reyes: I -- if it is to vote "yes'' or "no, " I mean, I might go with it,
but if it is going to tie us to whoever the City Attorney picks, as long as that firm is
there, I am not going to vote for it.
Commissioner Carollo: Well --
Commissioner Hardemon: The --
Chair Russell: Clear. Crystal clear. Commissioner Hardemon.
Commissioner Hardemon: The City Attorney has already provided us with --
Commissioner Reyes: I (UNINTELLIGIBLE) business.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- guidance about --
Chair Russell: Yes, you are.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- the firms that we should be choosing from. And so,
we have not gone astray from what her recommendations are. And so, what I'm
trying to do now is say, "Okay. Well, initially, I said two, but I'm willing to have
three names now go back to the City Attorneys, " because what I'm saying is that if
we're already following her decision making on this about who we should be
considering, let's follow her team, who's going to be working with her intimately;
and whatever they say, after they've taken a list of whatever they think is important
to them, plus cost, et cetera, that they make the decision, and what we are doing is
we are approving their decision.
Commissioner Carollo: I hear that --
Chair Russell: So --
Commissioner Carollo: -- and I --
Chair Russell: Commissioner Carollo.
Commissioner Carollo: -- technically don't --
Commissioner Hardemon: So you won't have to come back --
Commissioner Carollo: -- I technically --
Commissioner Hardemon: -- no more attorneys coming back to us.
Commissioner Carollo: -- don't have problems with that. However, if, for any
reason, this Commission decides to vote down her recommendation -- that's why I
wanted two firms, and then limit ourselves to those three so that this doesn't go on
forever, and we pick them -- one of the other two, if, for any reason, the first one,
there's no consensus.
Commissioner Hardemon: No. What I'm saying is that by this vote, it would allow
her to be able to choose. That's what I'm saying.
Chair Russell: And it's done. Doesn't need to come back to this Commission for a
further --
Commissioner Hardemon: No, because --
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Chair Russell: Understood.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- by coming back --
Commissioner Carollo: Madam City Attorney, you have some pretty confident law
firms there, some attorneys that make a lot of money per hour. What do you
estimate -- and I don't want to hold your feet to the fire on this, but I do need you to
opine on this -- what do you estimate should be between one amount on the low side
to a higher amount on the higher side the rates that we should be looking at?
Ms. Mendez: It depends, because we can negotiate a flat amount; we can negotiate
an hourly amount. I can talk to you during the process of discussing this with the
firms. I do know that, obviously, the bigger firms have a slightly higher dollar
amount. We are going to do this on a consulting basis, so the goal is to be,
obviously, not breaking the bank. We've had enough of those for the past two years.
So I think that -- I don't want to hold myself to an amount, but I will be in
communication with you, and then we can go from there.
Commissioner Carollo: Well, you -- okay, you will be in communications with all
five of us on the amount, the ones that vote here; not just sponsor things?
Ms. Mendez: Not just who; I'm sorry?
Commissioner Carollo: I said the ones that actually vote here; not just sponsors
stuff, pretending they vote here. The -- I think the most important thing is that we
bring this to a conclusion quickly. And what I want you to emphasize to the firms,
when you speak to them and make your final determination, is that we want the --
and the whole reason we're doing this whole process, we need to get, based on the
deal that's there, that was voted upon -- obviously, we could do less or we could do
more -- but based on that deal, how much is this worth to us? What is the market
value? And then, if they built more, how much more would that be built based on
"A" amount of hotel rooms or "A" amount of square footage for retail; or if they
would build less, how much down would it go. So that's what we're bringing them
in for. The stadium part, I don't think, is that hard, because this is a very small
stadium; 25,000. And, you know, this is not going to be any kind of a money --
major money provider to us --
Chair Russell: Thank you. Commissioner --
Commissioner Carollo: -- (UNINTELLIGIBLE) the rest of it.
Chair Russell: Commissioner Gort.
Vice Chair Gort: My understanding, the people voted for a specific project, so it
has to be a specific project. I mean, the hotel, the mall --
Commissioner Carollo: Yep.
Vice Chair Gort: -- the office buildings, and all that. Okay?
Ms. Mendez: But people voted for you to make the decision at the end.
Vice Chair Gort: No. I understand.
Ms. Mendez: Okay.
Vice Chair Gort: But the deal should be based on what the people voted on.
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Ms. Mendez: Yes.
Commissioner Gort: Okay.
Chair Russell: Thank you. There's been a motion and a second. If this motion
passes, the City Attorney will be have the final decision to bring forth; to work with
either Shutts, Fowler, or Becker. That's the motion on the floor. There's been a
second Any further discussion? All in favor say --
Commissioner Reyes: ,lust one clarification. Whatever she says goes?
Chair Russell: Yes.
Commissioner Reyes: Then I vote against it.
Chair Russell: Understood. All in favor, say "aye. "
Commissioner Hardemon: Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed?
Commissioner Carollo: Aye.
Commissioner Reyes: Yes. No.
Chair Russell: Motion passes, 4-1. Thank you.
REA 5
RESOLUTION
5914
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION
Commissioners
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER, IN CONSULTATION WITH
and Mayor
THE CITY ATTORNEY, TO DEVELOP CRITERIA, ESTABLISH,
AYES:
AND IMPLEMENT A CIVIC INTERNSHIP PROGRAM KNOWN AS
THE CITY OF MIAMI PAGE PROGRAM FOR 15-18 YEAR OLD
STUDENTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF INTRODUCING STUDENTS
TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT, POLICY MAKING, AND PUBLIC
SERVICE ("PROGRAM"); AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO
EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS, ALL IN A
FORM ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, FOR THE
PURPOSE OF IMPLEMENTING THE PROGRAM, WITH AN
IMMEDIATE EFFECTIVE DATE.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0215
MOTION TO:
Adopt
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Manolo Reyes, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Carollo, Reyes, Hardemon
Chair Russell: All right. If I could --
Commissioner Reyes: I got one -- before --
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Commissioner Carollo: I have --
Commissioner Reyes: -- I have some children here; RE. 15, which is -- that I am
moving --
Chair Russell: There's a motion.
Commissioner Reyes: -- RE.15.
Chair Russell: Is there a second on RE. 15?
Commissioner Hardemon: Second.
Chair Russell: There's a motion and a second. I'd like to open the floor for public
comment, if anyone would like to speak on RE. 15.
Commissioner Reyes: Yes. Come in. State your name. Check this out. Check this
out. Check this out.
Commissioner Hardemon: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) to speak. I don't know.
Chair Russell: Hello. And we won't rush you; please.
Commissioner Hardemon: The first question is, do you do business in Cuba?
Chair Russell: All right.
Commissioner Reyes: Not yet.
Vice Chair Gort: Go ahead.
Chair Russell: Welcome. Please give us your name, and you -- the floor is yours.
Carlos Morales: Good morning, Commissioners. Sorry. Good afternoon,
Commissioners. My name is Carlos Morales, and I, along with my brother,
Marcelo, are here to support RE. 15, regarding establishment in the City of Miami
"Page Program. " Thank you, Commissioner Reyes, for agreeing to support --
sponsor and support this item, due to your passion for educating and mentoring
students. We're extremely excited to see this program move forward in the City,
with the help of the Commission, in order to teach students about local government.
Kids will not have to travel far to Tennessee to simply learn about the government.
We can learn about the government right here. We hope to -- we hope, with your
leadership and vision, that this local Page Program would spread to other cities.
Thank you for your support.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Well said.
Commissioner Reyes: You are very welcome.
(Applause)
Commissioner Carollo: All right.
Chair Russell: Thank you. We're going to close public comment on RE. 15. Is
there any further -- Oh, I'm sorry; we have further public comment.
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Brenda Betancourt: Are this program -- Brenda Betancourt, 1436 SW 6th Street.
Are this program going to be just in District 4, or it's going to be actually in the
entire --?
Commissioner Carollo: Citywide.
Commissioner Reyes: Citywide, citywide.
Ms. Betancourt: Where did the kids can apply?
Commissioner Reyes: Here.
Ms. Betancourt: Here?
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Ms. Betancourt: At this office?
Commissioner Reyes: With each Commissioner.
Ms. Betancourt: Each Commissioner can have --
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Ms. Betancourt: -- how many students per district?
Victoria Mendez (City Attorney): That's what needs to be set up with HR (Human
Resources).
Commissioner Reyes: That have to be set up.
Ms. Mendez: So --
Vice Chair Gort: They have to go through a process.
Commissioner Reyes: But that is -- each Commissioner is going to have some
students that they're going to come and intern with them and -- with him, or --
because we don't have "her" here. And so (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Ms. Betancourt: Can I give all of you phone numbers --
Commissioner Reyes: You can bring your daughter.
Ms. Betancourt: -- (UNINTELLIGIBLE) everybody (UNINTELLIGIBLE)?
Commissioner Reyes: You can bring your daughter, and you bring her to me.
Ms. Betancourt: Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Any further discussion? Closing public comment. Any
further discussion on the dais? All in favor, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes.
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RE.16
RESOLUTION
5922
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION
Commissioners
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND
and Mayor
EXECUTE A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT
AYES:
("AGREEMENT"), IN A FORM ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY
ABSENT.
ATTORNEY, BETWEEN THE CITY OF MIAMI ("CITY") AND
INVESTORS GUIDE LLC ("SELLER") FOR THE ACQUISITION OF
REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 700 SOUTHWEST 63 AVENUE,
MIAMI, FLORIDA ("PROPERTY") FOR A PURCHASE PRICE OF
THREE HUNDRED FIFTY-EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS
($358,000.00); FURTHER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO
NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY
DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING AMENDMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS
TO SAID AGREEMENT, ALL IN A FORM ACCEPTABLE TO THE
CITY ATTORNEY, AS MAY BE NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE
SAID ACQUISITION; ALLOCATING FUNDS FROM A SOURCE TO
BE DETERMINED IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED FOUR
HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ($400,000.00) TO COVER THE
COST OF SAID ACQUISITION, INCLUSIVE OF THE COST OF
SURVEY, ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT, TITLE INSURANCE,
DEMOLITION, SECURING THE PROPERTY, PROJECT SIGNAGE,
AND RELATED CLOSING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH SAID
ACQUISITION, ALL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TERMS AND
CONDITIONS OF THE AGREEMENT.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0208
MOTION TO:
Adopt
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT.
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item RE.16, please see Item PK2
RE.17 RESOLUTION
5918 A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION DIRECTING
Commissioners THE CITY MANAGER TO DRAFT A RESOLUTION FOR
and Mayor CONSIDERATION BY THE CITY COMMISSION AT ITS JUNE 13,
2019 MEETING TO CO -DESIGNATE THAT PORTION OF
SOUTHWEST 6TH STREET FROM SOUTHWEST 27TH AVENUE
TO BEACOM BOULEVARD, MIAMI, FLORIDA AS "DR. EDUARDO
J. PADRON WAY'.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0210
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MOTION TO:
Adopt
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. For additional minutes referencing Item RE.17, please see
"Order of the Day. "
Chair Russell: As soon as we have a third on the dais, we can take a little action.
Yeah. All right, he's in the chambers. I'd like to take up Item RE17, Co -
designation of Dr. Eduardo Padron Way. The Clerk's Office has spoken with
Commissioner Carollo's office. He had asked for this wait, but he's happy to see it
go forward. If I --well, I don't want to speak for what his vote would have been,
but he's happy for us to be able to take this up without him at this point. Is there a
motion on RE. 17?
Vice Chair Gort: Move it. I think it's an excellent idea. The gentleman has done
quite a bit for education in this community.
Commissioner Hardemon: So they're naming it Patron [sic] Way, right?
Chair Russell: Padron, Padron.
Commissioner Hardemon: Oh.
Chair Russell: Not Patron.
Commissioner Hardemon: Oh. So like -- not like "Oreo "?
Chair Russell: No. Not like --
Commissioner Hardemon: R -E -O.
Chair Russell: Yeah.
Commissioner Hardemon: Not "Oreo' ; R -E -O.
Chair Russell: Yeah.
Commissioner Hardemon: And "Padron, " not "Patron. "
Chair Russell: Correct; not on the rocks.
Commissioner Hardemon: Say no more.
Chair Russell: Is there a second? Second by the Ch --
Commissioner Hardemon: Second.
Chair Russell: -- second by Commissioner Hardemon. It's been moved by the Vice
Chairman; second by Commissioner Hardemon. Any further discussion on the
dais?
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Vice Chair Gort: Well, I'd like to thank the Mayor and Commissioner Carollo for
putting that together.
Chair Russell: Yes. It's been a pleasure working with Dr. Padron. We'll see what
he ends up in his next iteration, but I'm sure there will be one, and we --
Vice Chair Gort: He'll be coming up with something.
Chair Russell: Yep.
Vice Chair Gort: That's for sure.
Chair Russell: All in favor of RE 17, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes.
RE.18
RESOLUTION
5921
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION
MOVER:
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND
Commissioners
EXECUTE A PARKING SERVICES AGREEMENT ("AGREEMENT"),
and Mayor
IN A FORM ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, WITH THE
ABSENT:
DEPARTMENT OF OFF-STREET PARKING A/K/A THE MIAMI
PARKING AUTHORITY ("MPA") FOR THE OPERATION AND
MANAGEMENT OF A PARKING LOT OWNED BY THE CITY OF
MIAMI ("CITY") AND ADJACENT TO THE TOWER THEATER
LOCATED AT 1508 SOUTHWEST 8TH STREET, MIAMI, FLORIDA,
WITH TERMS AND CONDITIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET
FORTH IN THE AGREEMENT; FURTHER AUTHORIZING THE
MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE ANY AND ALL
AMENDMENTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS CONCERNING THE
SAME, ALL IN A FORM ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0209
MOTION TO:
Adopt
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item RE.I8, please see Item PK2
END OF RESOLUTIONS
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EMA
ORDINANCE Emergency Ordinance
5908
(4/5THS VOTE) AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE OF THE MIAMI
CITY COMMISSION AMENDING CHAPTER 35/ARTICLE VIII OF
Commissioners
THE CODE OF THE CITY OF MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS AMENDED,
and Mayor
TITLED "MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC/PRIVATE PARKING
AYES:
LOTS", BY CREATING A NEW SECTION 35-292 PROHIBITING
PRIVATE PARKING LOT OPERATORS FROM ISSUING PARKING
VIOLATIONS TO MOTOR VEHICLES PARKED IN SAID PRIVATE
PARKING LOTS; CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE;
PROVIDING FOR AN IMMEDIATE EFFECTIVE DATE.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: 13840
MOTION TO:
Adopt as an Emergency Measure with Modification(s)
RESULT:
ADOPTED AS AN EMERGENCY MEASURE WITH
MODIFICATION(S)
MOVER:
Joe Carollo, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Carollo, Reyes, Hardemon
Note for the Record. Item EM.1 passed as an Emergency Ordinance with two roll
calls.
For additional minutes referencing Item EM.1, please see "Order of the Day. "
Commissioner Carollo: And the other one that I do need to get through today so
that people aren't getting ticketed further -- and we all agreed that we were all in
this together --
Vice Chair Gort: Sure.
Commissioner Carollo: -- is EM. 1, the emergency ordinance on parking tickets.
Chair Russell: There's a motion on EM. 1. This is a four-fifths.
Commissioner Reyes: Let me clam something on that ordinance. You see, we have
institutions, like --
Chair Russell: Is this a second?
Commissioner Reyes: Oh, I will second, butt want --
Chair Russell: Okay. There's a motion. There's a second. Open for discussion.
Commissioner Reyes: -- to know that -- I mean, I want to make it clear that we have
to amend this, and we have to discuss this, because -- for example, Miami Dade
Community College -- you see -- they have people -- they have parking spaces -- I
mean, they have parking --
Commissioner Carollo: They don't do that. They don't do that.
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Commissioner Reyes: No, but they can -- there are institutions, certain institutions
that they will ticket. They will use (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Commissioner Carollo: Well, if you'd like, I have no problem if you include in the
ordinance that the only exception --
Commissioner Reyes: Institutions.
Commissioner Carollo: -- is -- well, educational institutions.
Commissioner Reyes: Educational institutions.
Chair Russell: Education --
Commissioner Reyes: Educational institutions, and I accept that.
Chair Russell: So the mover -- and does the seconder accept the amendment?
Vice Chair Gort: Yes, I do.
Chair Russell: So educational institutions will be exempt from this --
Vice Chair Gort: Right.
Chair Russell: -- ordinance we got?
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Chair Russell: Yep.
Vice Chair Gort: Yes.
Commissioner Carollo: Right. Going to be -- it's an emergency ordinance, as we
discussed before, so it'll be first and second reading. So could it be read?
Victoria Mendez (City Attorney): Right. So I have to read it twice --
Commissioner Carollo: Right.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Ms. Mendez: -- when you make your motion.
Commissioner Carollo: Well --
Vice Chair Gort: It's been made and second already.
Commissioner Carollo: -- it's been made and second.
Ms. Mendez: Okay.
Chair Russell: It has. Is there any further discussion? I'd like to open for public
comment on this item.
Commissioner Reyes: Look at this.
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Carla Hernandez: Hi. How are you? I'm here to speak against the emergency
motion, one that forces parking garage people to tow cars instead of giving the
tickets.
Commissioner Carollo: I'm sorry. What is your name and address?
Ms. Hernandez: I'm sorry. My name is Carla Hernandez.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Ms. Hernandez: You're welcome.
Chair Russell: Two minutes.
Commissioner Carollo: Is there an address?
Chair Russell: It doesn't need -- she doesn't need to offer one.
Ms. Hernandez: So this motion -- this emergency motion is really scary to me. It's
basically saying that if l stay a few minutes over on my parking, I don't get a ticket;
you're just going to tow my car. It seems a little -- like a knee-jerk reaction and a
lazy way of finding a more suitable solution. I'm a mom of three kids, and
sometimes I run a little late on my parking, and those of you who are parents should
be able to sympathize with the fact that sometimes you do run late on your parking.
We also live in Miami, which has unpredictable climate, so sometimes the weather
can make us late, butyou're basically saying thatyou're not going to give people the
opportunity to face a fine in any of these instances; you're just going to tow their
entire vehicle. To me, this is creating a public service issue -- a public safety issue;
sorry. And what's going to happen is, it's just a matter of time before someone like
me gets their car towed, finds themselves stranded, and then something really bad
happens. So unfortunately, if you do pass this emergency motion, it's going to be
your fault.
Commissioner Reyes: From what I know and what has been found, this ticket, it is
$45, and it has a name -- I mean, it has a telephone that they claim that -- then you
can appeal it. There is no appealing to it. And it increases tremendously, and it gets
to 140. We have an expert. Can I call an expert? You? You make -- you are the
one -- come here.
Chair Russell: No, we're not calling experts right now.
Commissioner Reyes: No, no, no, no.
Chair Russell: We're doing public comments.
Commissioner Reyes: I just wanted information. How much does the ticket --
because she did an article on that.
Chair Russell: So -- no, no. I'm sorry; just a moment. You're not on microphone.
You're not on the record. Commissioner Gort, and then we'// get to that --
Commissioner Reyes: Yes.
Chair Russell: -- if we want to have any discussion --
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
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Chair Russell: -- on that question.
Commissioner Reyes: I would like -- love to know, because this is something that
has been abusive.
Ms. Hernandez: I understand --
Commissioner Reyes: And many old people --
Ms. Hernandez: -- but the ticket's $50.
Commissioner Reyes: -- they don't even know how to do (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Ms. Hernandez: Right, but the ticket's $50, and getting your car towed is a couple
hundred dollars. So not being given the option, you know, and not being given a
warning --
Commissioner Reyes: This is faster. They get you faster with this ticket and --when
they calling a tow truck and all of that.
Ms. Hernandez: Right, but if you have --
Chair Russell: That's (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Ms. Hernandez: -- you're not giving people a chance. You're just basically taking
their entire car.
Commissioner Reyes: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: Thank you. Just a moment. Commissioner Gort.
Vice Chair Gort: Let me add -- and this could be amended -- we have rules and
regulations right now. People used to use tow trucks or boots, whatever you want to
call them.
Commissioner Reyes: We have --
Vice Chair Gort: Do we have -- the parking establishment has got to have signs
saying, "You got 15 to 20 minutes" --
Commissioner Reyes: 20 minutes. That's right.
Vice Chair Gort: -- "before you can do that. "
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Vice Chair Gort: So I think that should be included in that.
Commissioner Reyes: In that ordinance.
Vice Chair Gort: That the parking facility that's licensed by the City ofMiami, it's
got to go by the ordinance that we passed before.
Commissioner Reyes: The one that we passed --
Commissioner Hardemon: Mr. Chairman?
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Commissioner Reyes: --for the booting --
Commissioner Hardemon: Mr. Chairman?
Commissioner Reyes: -- includes the (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: Sorry. Commissioner Hardemon.
Commissioner Hardemon: Thank you for coming.
Ms. Hernandez: You're welcome.
Commissioner Hardemon: You put a good voice to what the issue is, and, you know
-- but I want you to understand something about what I'm about to say, and then I'm
going to propose something maybe to the board that could be -- and if it's allowable
by law, we can utilize. Our issue is that you're getting ticketed through unlicensed
ticket givers.
Ms. Hernandez: Okay.
Commissioner Hardemon: And so, in the City of Miami, we contract with the MPA
(Miami Parking Authority), and the MPA is who handles all of our tickets. They
handle the parking fees, et cetera; and the City of Miami, it gets a revenue from that.
And so, there's a relationship that has a direct effect upon bringing in revenue to the
City of Miami and also the responsible ticket giving. You have official -- people who
actually give out those tickets. You have an appeal process. I mean, you have
people that can answer to an issue. Now, on the private lot side, I can understand
why you would want to be ticketed rather than towed, but the problem is that if you
are ticketed, the question is, who gets the revenue? The question is, what is the
appeal process? The question is -- So basically -- so they're operating illegally, like
an unlawful business there. And so, you know -- so I un -- so I think --
Ms. Hernandez: So wouldn't it make more sense --
Commissioner Hardemon: -- that what hap --
Ms. Hernandez: -- to regulate the --
Commissioner Hardemon: Let me finish.
Ms. Hernandez: -- ticket -giving?
Chair Russell: Just a moment, please; let him finish.
Ms. Hernandez: Yes. Go ahead.
Commissioner Hardemon: So what I'm saying here is that, if there is a legal way
that private lot owners can also contract with the MPA, then it'll give the lot --
Chair Russell: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Commissioner Hardemon: -- owners an opportunity to give tickets -- or for the MPA
to give tickets in the private lot owner's lot rather than the tow. Now --
Chair Russell: It does exist, actually.
Commissioner Hardemon: Okay. So --
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Chair Russell: The MPA does do contracts with private lots, and they manage
(UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah, that is --
Commissioner Hardemon: So I think that's --
Commissioner Carollo: -- (UNINTELLIGIBLE) already.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- then that would be -- if we were going to make an
amendment, it would be that, yes, this, as they have putting [sic] it, is not allowed
However, if the ticket -- if the lot owner contracts with the MPA, then they're to do it.
Commissioner Carollo: I -- that's in the books already, and I have no problem
adding that amendment; that it could only be allowed if any private lot owner --
Chair Russell: Contracts through the MPA.
Commissioner Carollo: -- contracts through the City's Parking Authority.
Commissioner Hardemon: Because then that guarantees that --
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- everyone is operating on an even playing field --
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Commissioner Hardemon: --and you'll have the option --And what you'll find is
that if someone is still towing your car rather than employing the MPA, they wanted
to tow your car in the first place. They're -- I mean, they're in the business to make
money. And I personally don't like to park in private lot owners' facilities, because
of that very same reason. And so --
Chair Russell: Does the seconder accept the amendment, as well?
Commissioner Reyes: Second.
Vice Chair Gort: I do, but I want to make sure we also put the restrictions that they
cannot do anything after the time is off. They have to give them -- I think it was 15
or 20 minutes. I don't remember how much it was.
Commissioner Reyes: It was 20 minutes, I think it is.
Vice Chair Gort: Okay.
Commissioner Reyes: That we included that.
Vice Chair Gort: I wanted that to be part of that, too.
Chair Russell: I'm sorry. Could you clarify what that amendment is?
Vice Chair Gort: If you'll recall when we were discussing about the boots and all
that --
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
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Chair Russell: The grace period?
Vice Chair Gort: -- through the grace period --
Commissioner Reyes: That's right.
Vice Chair Gort: -- do we -- we came up with certain -- all the parking facilities
within the City of Miami, they have to have signs stating who's taking it, who's
giving it. They have to give them 20 minutes --
Commissioner Carollo: But that was approved before.
Ms. Hernandez: Is it possible --
Vice Chair Gort: Oh, it was approved before; only needs to be incorporated.
Ms. Hernandez: --for you to license them?
Chair Russell: Just a moment. Just a moment, please. Ma'am --
Vice Chair Gort: Excuse me.
Chair Russell: --you don't have the floor on this.
Vice Chair Gort: Excuse me. We're talking among ourselves.
Ms. Hernandez: Sorry.
Vice Chair Gort: Okay? There's certain rules that we have to follow.
Ms. Hernandez: Sorry.
Ms. Mendez: That's a different ordinance that we have, and we can obviously revisit
that in the future. This --
Vice Chair Gort: But that was approved?
Commissioner Carollo: That was approved.
Chair Russell: Yes.
Vice Chair Gort: That was passed?
Ms. Mendez: Yes, yes.
Commissioner Carollo: That was passed. We don't need to do anything.
Vice Chair Gort: The parking facility has to comply with those ordinance.
Ms. Mendez: Yes.
Commissioner Carollo: Yes.
Vice Chair Gort: Okay.
Ms. Mendez: This one's a little different.
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Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Chair Russell: So you -- that's not an amendment necessary.
Commissioner Carollo: So you're covered with that, Commissioner Gort.
Ms. Mendez: Right.
Chair Russell: All right. And we're making this ordinance better as we go, which is
what we do, but for process sake -- that's why we usually have two readings so we
can --
Commissioner Reyes: Yeah.
Chair Russell: -- really think it over . I'd just like to understand the emergency
nature of the motion, so I understand why --
Commissioner Carollo: Emergency nature --
Chair Russell: -- we're pushing this so (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Commissioner Carollo: -- is that you have predators out there giving tickets out to
people, very high tickets, pretending that they're government; either our Off -Street
Parking Authority, maybe even a police type of ticket. Even today, they're trying to
scare people by putting this out there on all the cars.
Commissioner Hardemon: I mean, for that matter, I can create that same sort of
ticket, go outside, and put that ticket on someone's car --
Commissioner Reyes: Yes.
Commissioner Hardemon: --and wait for you to send the money to my account.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Commissioner Reyes: Yes. And—
Commissioner
nd--
Commissioner Carollo: Exactly.
Commissioner Reyes: Mr. Chair, and you know what -- the way that many of the
people are intimidated (UNINTELLIGIBLE) what had happened that they -- once
they give you a ticket, you have a debt with that institution, which is not a
governmental institution. You have a debt. And as -- if you don 't pay -- you see, you
might appeal it, but you will never win an appeal. And as -- if you don't pay, the
ticket increases -- the fine increases, and they will then pass your information and
your debt to a collection agency --
Vice Chair Gort: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Commissioner Reyes: -- and then that will damage your credit, you see.
Chair Russell: All right.
Commissioner Reyes: I mean, it is quite --
Vice Chair Gort: Okay.
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Commissioner Carollo: That's the emergency (UNINTELLIGIBLE) —
Chair Russell: Thank you. Is there --
Commissioner Carollo: -- this is happening?
Chair Russell: -- any --
Vice Chair Gort: Call the question.
Chair Russell: Is there any more public comment on this item from anyone who
hasn't spoken yet?
Kelly Mallette: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Kelly Mallette, Ronald L. Book, PA,
18851 Northeast 29th Avenue, Suite 1010, in Aventura. Thank you for the
opportunity to speak. I represent City Parking, and just to address some of the
comments that have been made. I think the goal here really should be to find an
opportunity for private property owners to enforce parking in a way that's fair and
reasonable for the public, as well. The public should have notice. And I think there
are regulatory boundaries that you can put in place that would resolve these issues.
We'd like to work with you to do that, if that means a cap on what those fines should
be, a grace period, you know, appropriate notice on the citation, appropriate notice
signage at that location. We're prepared to work with you to try to come up with
something that does provide an appropriate regulatory structure to do those things.
Vice Chair Gort: Thank you.
Commissioner Carollo: Well --
Commissioner Reyes: This is --
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Is there any further public comment?
Commissioner Reyes: Can I make a comment (UNINTELLIGIBLE)?
Chair Russell: If you 'd like to ask her a question --
Commissioner Reyes: Yes. No. What I'm going to inform you, this is the first
reading --
Commissioner Carollo: No; first and second.
Vice Chair Gort: No, no, no. It's emergency (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Commissioner Reyes: Oh, this is first and second.
Commissioner Carollo: Emergency.
Commissioner Reyes: Oh, it's an emergency.
Vice Chair Gort: Once again, let me incorporate. My understanding, the ordinance
that we pass, every facility, parking facility, surf parking facility in Miami, has to
have the signage, they have the grace period, and they're supposed to be having that.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah. That was passed.
Vice Chair Gort: That ordinance, that was passed --
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Commissioner Carollo: That was passed.
Vice Chair Gort: -- and we discussed it.
Commissioner Carollo: That's correct. And --
Vice Chair Gort: Okay?
Commissioner Carollo: -- what --
Vice Chair Gort: But that exists. That ordinance exists.
Commissioner Carollo: -- Commissioner Hardemon did, he took care of what
they're asking here for. By the private parking facilities being able to officially --
which they've always had that opportunity -- to go to the Off -Street Parking
Authority and work out something with them. Now we're protecting the public; that
they're not going to get the scam that's happening now. And, you know, I think this
is fair as we could be, but we have to protect our public. We have a lot of people
that are very law-abiding. They don't understand, when they get a ticket that looks
like an official government ticket that it's saying that -- and from what I understand,
they were sending these without even sending the first one. They were claiming that
they didn't pay it, and that now they were late, so they owed a hundred plus dollars,
or what have you. So this is not right, and this is truly an emergency ordinance that
we should pass.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Is there any further public comment on the item? Would
anyone else like to speak? You've already spoken on this, correct? Oh, I'm sorry;
you're speaking. Iforgot. (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Brenda Betancourt: It's okay.
Chair Russell: Please. You're very welcome.
Ms. Betancourt: I'm counting. I'm counting how many times I'm going to be able to
-- because you're going to be able to add a minute to me, right? No? All right.
Chair Russell: You get two minutes to address us right now on this issue.
Ms. Betancourt: Okay. How to report lots that are doing it illegally? Who's going
to enforce it? Because it's nice to have a lot of different resolutions, but how we
going to be able to know this be enforced? And the reason I'm telling you this is
because Shenandoah has suffered a lot with a lot that we have in 13 and -- I think
it's 10, 9 or 10, by the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Monument in 13. That lot doesn't have a
sign. That lot doesn't have -- not even a mark that it say that it's a parking lot, and
it's a restaurant in 6 -- in 4 --15 and 8th Street who use it as a overflow parking, but
the lot doesn't have a sign; but if you go there at night, it's 50 cars, and somebody
running back and forth with cars. So where do we report it? How it's going to be
implemented? They actually -- the City, the Police, the Administration is actually
willing to enforce while you guys are passing the law.
Commissioner Carollo: Well, this is what I've gone through with these illegal --
Ms. Betancourt: I know.
Commissioner Carollo: -- valet parking places.
Commissioner Reyes: Yes.
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Commissioner Carollo: You have the Code Director back there that you could go to
her, provide her the addresses. The location you're telling me, I haven't seen it
before. The only -- if you said it's between 9 and 10th --
Ms. Betancourt: Its in 13th Avenue --
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Ms. Betancourt: -- and 9th, behind (UNINTELLIGIBLE), the other corner -- in the
corner, the corner lot.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Commissioner Carollo: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Commissioner Carollo: -- I'll be looking at it, because I haven't seen it, and I go
quite there often. Maybe --
Ms. Betancourt: At night.
Commissioner Carollo: -- it's on weekends; I don't know.
Ms. Betancourt: Before my two minutes run out, just to make sure -- because you
see -- I just want to make sure that -- how are we going to be sure that the towing
company are not going to take advantage of again? Because they are properties that
-- for example, I live on a main street; people park in front of my house. And if I
want to call the tow truck so they can come and move a car in front of my driveway,
it's like I have to --- I think I'm better have a meeting with Trump before somebody
show up, would actually do something for a car who's blocking a driveway. So I
know the Police is short, and I know that we have a lot of things going on, but the
rest of us, the citizen that doesn't commit crimes, we need service, too.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Chair Russell: Commissioner Gort.
Vice Chair Gort: Let me answer that. The -- all you have to do, in your driveway,
you put a sign on your fence --
Ms. Betancourt: It is in there.
Vice Chair Gort: -- "do not parking, " and then you can contract your own trucks.
Ms. Betancourt: I already did, and the police --
Vice Chair Gort: Okay.
Ms. Betancourt: -- told me the last time that they have to call them first, so if not,
hey --
Vice Chair Gort: Well, no. That's the responsibility --
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Ms. Betancourt: -- I want a recording -- I want a copy of the recording to see if I
can just go (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Vice Chair Gort: -- it's the responsibility of the person, the business that own the
tow truck to report it to the police that they're picking the car up.
Ms. Betancourt: Thank you.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Further public comment.
Anthony De Yurre: Ah, yes. Anthony De Yurre, Bilzen Sumberg, 1450 Brickell
Avenue. I'm here on behalf of City Parking. There are a number of operators that
are contracted with Parking Management, and the concern is that there are
applications that we have with the City; we're following a lawful process to have
proper parking permits. I'm not sure exactly -- There are other operators out there
that are -- I don't know what process they're following, so we're concerned about
everybody being blanketed with the same predisposition to just prevent parking fees.
We have -- and my understanding, staff was working on an ordinance, and I think
that there have been multiple suggestions proffered on the dais. And so, since we're
here on an emergency basis, I believe that both first and second reading are going to
get truncated today, and it's going to take that out of the hands of staff, and I think
that we want to allow the opportunity to take advantage of the comments and
suggestions were made by Mr. Carollo -- Commissioner Carollo, Commissioner
Reyes, and Commissioner Gort. There is legislation from California that is a model
legislation that our clients follow across the United States. And then lastly, this
would be the only municipality in the United States that would be implementing a
"No Ticket Policy, " which would force us to tow, and we don't want to tow; and in
fact, our clients don't want us to tow. And we would prefer that the City create
legislation in place with the same safeguards that there are in place for towing.
Again, we don't want to tow. We would prefer the ticket. Because the situation --
Commissioner Carollo: Well --
Mr. De Yurre: -- as the other speaker stated, is the worst-case scenario, where you
get towed, and there are many people that just can't afford to have the tow. The car
is gone; they can't get it out, as opposed to having a safeguard.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Commissioner Reyes: Mr. Chairman?
Chair Russell: You have a question for the speaker?
Commissioner Reyes: Yes, I have a question for him.
Mr. De Yurre: Yes, Commissioner Reyes.
Commissioner Reyes: Its a very short question. You -- I mean, you were using
Parking Management, right?
Mr. De Yurre: That is --
Commissioner Reyes: They are the ones that were giving the tickets?
Mr. De Yurre: That is correct. (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Commissioner Reyes: Did they have a BTR (Business Tax Receipt)?
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Mr. De Yurre: Does -- I don't have an answer to that question for you, if they have -
Commissioner Reyes: Because as -- my information that they were doing -- they
were -- I mean, they were placing tickets in everybody that was -- I mean, the time
was expired just for seconds, and -- but they didn't have a BTR. I mean, how can
you hire somebody that doesn't have a BTR?
Mr. De Yurre: And the instance such as this, in other municipalities --for example,
Coral Gables -- these issues have come up. Various -- different versions of these
issues have come up. We've changed tickets, we changed the language in the tickets,
and we've been -- made changes that are satisfactory to every municipality. And all
we do is we ask for that same opportunity to do that and create regulation that
works. In Coral Gables we created a different ticket, a different color; we changed
the language. We put safeguards in place; very much in the grace period.
Commissioner Reyes: Another question: Were they in the booting business before?
Mr. De Yurre: We don't boot.
Commissioner Reyes: But Parking Management, they were in the booting system?
Mr. De Yurre: I can't speak if Parking Management, but --
Commissioner Reyes: No, because I have information; they lost their license and all
of that. But I want -- if you're going to hire somebody to do business -- I mean, to
place tickets, you should at least find out who they were, why they are in a different
type of business, and if they have a BTR or not.
Mr. De Yurre: Okay.
Commissioner Reyes: Because -- I mean, that is -- doesn't look good.
Mr. De Yurre: I will absolutely pull that information for you, Commissioner. And if
given the opportunity again to work with staff, work on this legislation -- In the City
of Coral Gables, for example, again, we were able to solve the issue; in particular,
we don't boot. We've never booted in the time that I represented this entity. And
one final comment to Commissioner Hardemon in the comments about revenue.
There is a revenue that goes to the City from every single one of these violations, and
I believe it's approximately $15. And we are used -- our company, City Parking, is
used as the model for investigations that a city's conducting to other operators on
whether or not they are giving the $15 that's due to the City or not; our company
has, always will, and that is a revenue source for the City.
Commissioner Hardemon: So are you saying that you're the one that give the tickets
that's created this emergency ordinance?
Mr. De Yurre: There are multiple operators that have -- that lease the properties.
These are usually properties that are owned by real estate developers, and they're
just not developing; the properties actually sit there. So we go in, we maintain, we
comply with all the City requirements, bring the properties up to Code, and operate
them as parking lots.
Commissioner Hardemon: So I get that. But the question I have is for our City
Attorney's Office. Is there anyone else, besides MPA, that's allowed to issue tickets
in the City of Miami --
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Commissioner Carollo: No.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- legally?
Commissioner Carollo: No. Absolutely not. And --
Chair Russell: For the City Attorney.
Commissioner Carollo: -- you know, what I've seen here so far is a lot of wolves in
sheep's clothing. Now, your firm, is it a foreign corporation in Florida?
Mr. De Yurre: Bilzen Sumberg?
Commissioner Carollo: No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying the --
Chair Russell: Client.
Commissioner Carollo: -- parking firm that you are representing.
Mr. De Yurre: City Parking. No, City Parking is here in the State of Florida.
Commissioner Carollo: Right, but aren't they a foreign corporation from Georgia
that opened up in Florida?
Mr. De Yurre: No. They're a Florida Corporation; City Parking is.
Commissioner Carollo: Okay. Strictly Florida Corporation.
Commissioner Hardemon: Are they owned by another entity?
Mr. De Yurre: No.
Commissioner Carollo: Okay.
Commissioner Reyes: Well, where's -- the main office is in Georgia, right?
Mr. De Yurre: No.
Commissioner Reyes: I mean, the --
Commissioner Carollo: That's Professional.
Mr. De Yurre: City Parking is in Tampa, Florida.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah. Professional is the one from Georgia.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
Commissioner Carollo: Now, what you've asked for we've done. We've amended
the ordinance so that if any of these lot operators want to enforce parking so nobody
gets towed away or booted or, you know, hell might fall upon them if we do away
with this, all they got to do is contract, like they could have done before -- now it's
even more official -- with Miami Off -Street Parking Authority. That's the City's
parking agency. They're honest. We could trust them in the tickets they issue.
They're not going to be issuing people tickets after the fact; that they were never
mailed, and then they send them a hundred plus dollars, and all these games. So
whatyou've askedfor, we've done --
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Mr. De Yurre: Thank you.
Commissioner Carollo: -- in this ordinance.
Chair Russell: For clarification, I'd like to recognize the Miami Parking Authority.
Art Noriega: So since I wasn't here for that aspect of the conversation --
Chair Russell: Your name?
Mr. Noriega: Art Noriega, Miami Parking Authority.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Mr. Noriega: I am -- by law, by statute, we're not -- we are prohibited from writing
a ticket on private property. I can't go onto their property and write a ticket.
Chair Russell: Unless you have a lease agreement with them?
Mr. Noriega: No. Even with a lease agreement, I can't go on privately -owned
property. I can only go on municipal property, privately held -- you know, property
we own or the City owns -- and write a ticket. I can't legally write a ticket on private
property; prohibited.
Chair Russell: Understood. So -- but this --
Mr. Noriega: But I've tried. I've tried to work up, you know --
Chair Russell: -- legislation would preclude them from being able to write tickets on
their private property?
Commissioner Carollo: Yes.
Mr. Noriega: Correct, yeah.
Chair Russell: That includes --
Commissioner Carollo: How were you doing it once before? There was a lot on
16th Avenue and 7th Street Southwest, that you had some years back -- I think before
I got elected --
Mr. Noriega: Yeah.
Commissioner Carollo: -- how were you handling that?
Mr. Noriega: So property we've owned -- right? -- or where we may have a long-
term lease on, we certainly can.
Commissioner Carollo: Okay.
Mr. Noriega: --but in this particular case, what you're proposing is that we go to a
property that is owned by somebody else, of which we don't have site control over,
we can't issue --
Chair Russell: Okay. I just heard two different --
Commissioner Carollo: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) ifI can give you --
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Chair Russell: Just a moment, please.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Chair Russell: I --just to clarify. I asked you specifically if you have a lease with
them, you can do it, and you said, "No. "
Mr. Noriega: If it's a long-term lease, yes --
Chair Russell: Okay. So --
Mr. Noriega: -- and we have site control. We're not just managing the property, or
we -- it had -- we'd have to have total site control over the project. In other words,
we'd have to take the project from them and have it under a long-term or
(UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Commissioner Carollo: What is --
Chair Russell: Commissioner.
Commissioner Carollo: -- long term?
Mr. Noriega: I would --
Commissioner Carollo: I mean, about three years?
Mr. Noriega: --I mean, I --five years probably would be minimally acceptable.
Chair Russell: So --
Mr. Noriega: Like in other words, we can't -- it can't be a management agreement,
in other words.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Mr. Noriega: That would prohibit us from writing a ticket.
Commissioner Carollo: But there could be provisions --
Mr. Noriega: Yeah.
Commissioner Carollo: -- and it could be broken, if need be, for `X" amount of
reasons, so --
Mr. Noriega: Yeah.
Commissioner Carollo: You know, I think the motion that was made by -- or should
I say, the amendment that was made -- stands firm. They could still contact you,
enter into a three- to five-year lease, and go forward with that. But what we can't
have is this situation that people are getting these tickets; that they're told that they
hadn't paid them, so now it's a hundred plus dollars, when they never even saw the
original one before.
Chair Russell: All right. Is there--?
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Commissioner Carollo: And maybe the solution is that all these places need to
charge a flat rate. If they're going to be there half a day, so much; if they're going
to be there a full day, so much, and that kind of resolves the whole situation for that.
Chair Russell: Just charged to be there, but not a violation.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Chair Russell: We're going to finish up with public comment, please, and then we
can finalize our discussion and make a vote. So would you --?
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Mr. Noriega: With the 12 seconds I have left --
Commissioner Carollo: He's done. He's got nothing left.
Chair Russell: He's got 12 seconds left.
Commissioner Carollo: From where?
Chair Russell: I'm recognizing him.
Mr. De Yurre: With the 12 seconds I have left, I'll just say, please don 't force a tow.
Believe me, all these scenarios you discussed have been resolved with every
municipality we've worked with in the past. We'll be the only municipality in the
country that does this. The tow will be much worse. Thankyou very much.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Next speaker, please.
Commissioner Carollo: Those are scare tactics.
Chair Russell: Just a moment. He was --
Thom Mozloom: Hi. My name is Thom Mozloom. I live at 725 Northeast 75th
Street. That is your district, Commissioner Hardemon. Gentlemen, this feels like a
rush job to me. This feels unnecessarily hasty. Commissioner Russell, I really
appreciated your comments earlier that we make legislation better as we discuss it.
Doing this as an emergency, and first and second reading, and no more after that, I
would encourage you guys to slow down. There seems to be a lot of things you
haven't thought through, like the lady who spoke earlier, whose car she's worried is
going to get towed. It doesn't sound like you have an option to that. The Parking
Authority just stood up and said, "No, we can't write a ticket there, " so there are no
other options. I don't know what else you haven't thought of in doing this, but you
really ought to maybe slow down a little bit. Maybe it's not such an emergency.
Maybe this has been going on for a while, and it's bad, and people shouldn't be
getting tickets, and all that other stuff, and running up the charges, but perhaps you
should take a moderate approach that is thoughtful and methodical, and do it right
rather than doing it quick. My gut feeling, after hearing everybody speak on this, is
you guys are about to walk into a land mine. This is going to open up a can of
worms all over the place, and none of you, nor do I, nor does anybody here, know
what those -- that can of worms is. So before you rush into this, I would ask you
guys to slow down, think through it, get some experts at the table, talk to the guy who
was here before from the Parking people. Sounds like they want to work with you,
but you probably shouldn't do something that's going to result tomorrow in having
people's cars towed.
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Commissioner Carollo: So your suggestion is --
Chair Russell: Thank you. Do you -- I'm sorry -- represent any company in this
issue?
Mr. Mozloom: I represent my company, the `11I Network. " We're an advertising
agency.
Chair Russell: Its an advertising agency?
Mr. Mozloom: Yes.
Chair Russell: And how is that related to the parking industry?
Mr. Mozloom: Its not. I'm here for different reasons. I just --
Chair Russell: Okay. I just wanted to clam if you were registered on this issue for
(UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Mr. Mozloom: No, no, no, no, no. no.
Chair Russell: Okay. Thank you.
Vice Chair Gort: But (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Commissioner Carollo: Do you have any --
Chair Russell: Commissioner Carollo, you have a question for him?
Commissioner Hardemon: A private lot --
Chair Russell: Commissioner Hardemon.
Commissioner Hardemon: --person does not have to tow. I mean, say, for instance,
you owned a lot, right? We're making these facts up.
Mr. Mozloom: Right.
Commissioner Hardemon: You own a lot. Someone chooses to pay you to park on
your lot. They pay you, and they overstay for five minutes. You, as a lot owner, can
choose to tow. That's a choice that you make. You could also choose not to tow.
This will also give you the option of choosing to allow ticketing; we just want it to be
within the law. And so --
Mr. Mozloom: Yeah. I think you should fix this.
Commissioner Hardemon: Apparently --
Mr. Mozloom: I think you should fix the (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Vice Chair Gort: Excuse me.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- there's an industry that is growing here, but it's
growing in a nefarious way that usurps the law. And so, we want to establish what
the law should be, and then allow those private lot owners to do business, or to do
what they want to do, which is not allow towing. And to not allow towing, then they
can contract with the MPA.
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Mr. Mozloom: Yeah, I get it, but it doesn't sound like you have that alternative to
ticketing yet, and that's all I'm saying. Maybe you should have that --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Mr. Mozloom: --before you do something else.
Chair Russell: Understood. Thank you.
Commissioner Carollo: Well --
Mr. Mozloom: Thank you.
Chair Russell: Commissioner Carollo.
Commissioner Carollo: --for the record, we did discuss this at the last Commission
meeting. Everyone was put on notice that we were bringing this on first and second
reading. Everyone on this dais agreed to it. And I think that we even have the Mayor
that is in agreement with it, too. I mean --
Chair Russell: Let's -- Thankyou.
Commissioner Carollo: -- everyone's in agreement. Are you in agreement with it,
Colonel? Okay.
Chair Russell: All right. Let's conclude public comment, please.
Erika Carrillo: Okay. Hello. Good morning. Good afternoon. My name is Erika
Carrillo. I'm a TV (television) reporter from Univision 23. I was the reporter who
was investigating the cases, because we start receiving a lot, many complaints from
residents receiving those tickets. There were two representatives from City Parking,
Inc., and City Parking, Inc. is the owner of the private parking lots, but they're not
the company issuing the tickets. They let a company called Professional Parking
Management to issue those tickets. When I came to the City, I discovered that this
company, Professional Parking City, never have a BTR from the Miami City, never
have any license, any permit. I don't know if City Parking did their job to investigate
this company, because they were letting this company operate inside their private
lots. Not does that. Professional Parking Management is a company registered in
Georgia; was dissolved in 2015. The owner are waiting for a trial, because they
have a pending case for fraud against City of Miami. When I was investigating this
company, Professional Parking Management, I found that they have several owners,
several registered agents living in Georgia. They have a P.O. (Post Office) box.
This company issuing the tickets against the residents. They -- I never found out an
ojfice. They just have a P.O. box in Broward. They are work -- I don't know who is
the owner. I would like to ask to City Parking, Inc., who is the owner of that
company issuing the tickets? Because at this time, nobody knows who is the owner
of the company issuing the tickets. Where is at -- their ojfice is located at? Because
nobody knows. They don't have an office. So our concern as media outlet was why
a company, City Parking, is letting Professional Parking Management issue tickets
without a permit from the City --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Carrillo: -- without a BTR, without a office, without an owner? We don't know
who is the owner of that company.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
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Ms. Carrillo: That was our --
Commissioner Carollo: Well --
Ms. Carrillo: -- main concern, and that is --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Carrillo: -- why I want to clarify, because I know you Commissioners have
several questions --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Carrillo: -- regarding that.
Chair Russell: Commissioner Gort, did you want to say something?
Vice Chair Gort: Yeah. One of the biggest problem we have right now are people
want to save money, so most of this surface lot, they don't have attendants. They
have machines, where you go and you put the money in there. And then, if you
would have attendants and use your tickets, it would be different, because then the
person will pay according to the time that is there. Now what happens is, whoever
has a surf parking within the City of Miami, there are certain rules and criteria that
we put on it. There should be signs on every one of them, telling what the procedure
is. At the same time, if there -- they got grace period of about 20 to 30 minutes.
That's an existing ordinance right now. Maybe it's not being enforced. Maybe we
got to make sure that we get someone -- because (UNINTELLIGIBLE) paying
surcharge, and we have somebody doing the audit of each one of those parking
facility. So we got to make sure that they're working according to the ordinance that
already was passed six months ago.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Commissioner Car --
Commissioner Carollo: Well --
Ms. Carrillo: Commissioner, I can mention something about that? We couldn'tfind
not one sign telling the residents they were receiving or they were getting a ticket --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Ms. Carrillo: -- of $45 in those parking lots.
Commissioner Carollo: Well --
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Commissioner Carollo: --for --
Ms. Carrillo: Not one sign.
Commissioner Carollo: -- the record --
Chair Russell: Commissioner Carollo.
Commissioner Carollo: -- I guess these good ole Georgia boys and gals have found
easy picking down here. They started with booting; that they were predators on
booting; didn't pay the City. Thanks to investigative work by Univision and this
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reporter, the State Attorney's Office came in and they arrested them. So now they
got a new gig. It's putting the tickets that make it appear that they're the Off -Street
Parking Authority of the City ofMiami. But besides not having a BTR, that it's -- it
is an arrestable reason for someone that's in business like that, but beyond that, if
you're registered in Florida as a foreign corporation, which means any corporation
that's not a Florida corporation, whether outside of the country or in another state,
Florida list this as a foreign corporation. If you're registered as a foreign
corporation in Georgia, and it's been dissolved for numerous years -- you don't even
have an address anymore -- I even question the fact if it's a legal entity operating in
Florida, because once you claim you're a foreign corporation, then -- and you're
not, because you've been dissolved, you have to change everything that you have in
your Florida corporation that you opened up as a foreign corporation, an entity of
that foreign corporation. So it seems to me -- and you're the attorney, but, you
know, we have a real City Attorney that we're going to go by -- that they're not even
a real entity that is allowed to operate in Florida.
Chair Russell: All right.
Commissioner Carollo: Madam City Attorney, what say you?
Chair Russell: Please, we're still on public comment for this item. We're not yet to
the discussion portion for ourselves. I'd love to really finish public comment, and
then we can finalize our discussion, ask any questions we have, and then we'll vote.
Hello, Mr. Book.
Ronald L. Book: Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, Madam City Attorney,
Mr. City Manager. Ron Book, for the record; 18851 Northeast 29th Avenue, Suite
1010, Aventura, Florida 33180, representing City Parking. What you've just
listened to is a bunch of hearsay, inaccurate statements. They're wrong. Her
statements are right on the corner of libelous, inflammatory, and slanderous, and the
reporter was shown the company's local business license this morning. She's chosen
conveniently to stand in front of you and not discuss that, and discuss that she
couldn't find one. Let's just be clear about one thing: Towing, which is about what
you're going to walk the City completely into -- you're about to assure that the
towing cartel that exists out there will be the only form of relief that any of these
private building owners with parking lots and the surface lots have. Now I don't
know about everybody else, but I can tell you that I've parked in your other
building's parking lot across the street. And like Commissioner Gort has said, three
years ago, when I got towed the first time, there was virtually no signage. Now
they've got small signs up, because some of us raised a lot of Cain. My car was
towed again from there a second time for overtime parking. What's going to happen
is, you've done away with the booting business basically completely. You're now
going to take and tell private business owners that own their property, that allow
people to park on itfor a fee, that they can't do what they're doing. Where you were
moving as a Commission was to regulate the industry. We would urge that you do
that. This is a practice that is used in cities throughout this State and throughout the
country. You'll be the only community to say it's not an option; basically leaving
your residents and visitors to pay a towing charge double, triple, quadruple what
this process costs. You want to regulate. You want to create a regulatory scheme
that creates a comfort level, Commissioners, Mr. Chair. We are prepared -- as I
have encouraged Commissioner Carollo today, yesterday, we were prepared to sit
and work through an ordinance similar to the California statute that does exactly
what I'm describing; creates a regulatory scheme. The public should know what
their options are and should have that opportunity, and not be forced to go to dark
tow lots inconveniently for twice or three times what this process calls for.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. Is there any further public comment?
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Commissioner Hardemon: Who --
Chair Russell: Commissioner Hardemon.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- does he represent?
Chair Russell: City -- I'm sorry. The --
Mr. Book: Park.
Chair Russell: -- City Park. And --
Commissioner Hardemon: You do not represent the other entity that was named on
the record?
Mr. Book: There are apparently a number of others out there, companies. I
represent a singular provider.
Commissioner Hardemon: No, because the statement that you made on the record
was that the reporter conveniently left out this BTR. And so, my question to you is,
she described, as I remember, the BTR of that --
Commissioner Carollo: Professional --
Commissioner Hardemon: --Professional Management something.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Commissioner Hardemon: Is that the BTR --
Commissioner Carollo: Professional Parking.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- that you were referring to?
Mr. Book: The BTR that I'm referring to is that, which is the entity that issues the
citations to the individuals.
Commissioner Hardemon: Okay.
Commissioner Carollo: So that's Professional Parking?
Commissioner Hardemon: Got it. So --
Chair Russell: Just a minute. One at a time, please.
Commissioner Hardemon: But you do not represent that entity?
Mr. Book: That is -- entity is contracted with -- by City Parking.
Commissioner Hardemon: Okay. So -- but you 're --
Mr. Book: Through the Chair, I apologize.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Commissioner Hardemon: No, butyou're in -- you have contact with that entity?
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Mr. Book: I do, sir. Well, I've not -- Mr. Chairman, through you.
Chair Russell: Yes.
Mr. Book: I have not had any conversations with the entity that issues the citations,
Commissioner.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Mr. Book --
Mr. Book: Yes, Mr. Chair.
Chair Russell: --just so I understand, though, when your client contracts with them,
every ticket that's written on their property, they get a portion of that fee; is that how
it works?
Vice Chair Gort: Of course.
Mr. Book: I believe they pay a flat fee to the company to --
Chair Russell: Operate.
Mr. Book: -- handle the management. No, it -- they're the -- they have the contrac --
City Parking has the contractual relationship with the property owners.
Chair Russell: Yes.
Mr. Book: They contract; and for that, they pay a fee to those buildings or to the lot
owner.
Commissioner Carollo: That wasn't the question.
Chair Russell: No. My question is about --
Mr. Book: I'm sorry.
Chair Russell: -- the subcontractor that's issuing the ticket. Do they share a portion
of the ticket --
Mr. Book: That is not my under --
Chair Russell: --the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) ?
Mr. Book: Mr. Chairman, I apologize. That is not my understanding of how their
business operation works.
Chair Russell: Understood Thank you very much.
Commissioner Hardemon: Which -- I'll --
Chair Russell: Commissioner Hardemon.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- remind you, does not mean that that is not what
happens. It not being his understanding is just --
Mr. Book: No. Mr. Chairman, what I would say to you is, because --
Chair Russell: I'll get the translator.
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Mr. Book: -- I am certainly prepared to sit down with the City Administration,
Commissioner, and walk them through it, and open up their agreements, and let
them see how it operates. We're not afraid to operate in the sunshine. We're not
afraid of regulation, which we understood the City was moving towards preparing.
Again, we have -- we pulled the California statute, because we thought it was the
tightest --
Commissioner Carollo: There you go again --
Mr. Book: -- regulatory scheme.
Commissioner Carollo: -- mentioning California.
Mr. Book: Pardon me?
Commissioner Carollo: There you go again --
Chair Russell: All right.
Commissioner Carollo: -- mentioning California.
Mr. Book: I don't want to be like California, but at least, Commissioner, it was a
tight regulatory scheme that gave you a good starting framework.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Commissioner Gort.
Vice Chair Gort: No. Once again, I want to make sure that every lot within the City
of Miami, we have to check it, because according to the ordinance that we passed
about six months ago, they got to have signs. And now, since they don't do booting
now, they have to have sign that says, "You'll be issued a ticket. "
Chair Russell: No, they could do booting.
Vice Chair Gort: Oh, they can do booting, but --
Chair Russell: They can't issue a ticket.
Vice Chair Gort: -- they can't issue ticket, but they can do the booting, but --
Chair Russell: Correct.
Vice Chair Gort: -- they don't do the booting for some reason. So I want to make
sure that certain criteria they have to follow in each lot.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Vice Chair Gort: So I want to make sure that that gets done.
Commissioner Carollo: That is in the ordinance --
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Commissioner Carollo: -- we had before. All right, call the question.
Chair Russell: Is there --no, we cannot. Is there any further public comment on this
issue? All right. I'm now closing public comment. Is there any further discussion
from the dais? Hearing none, all in favor --
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Todd B. Hannon (City Clerk): Chair, Chair, Chair --
Chair Russell: We need it read --
Mr. Hannon: -- (UNINTELLIGIBLE) title.
Chair Russell: -- in the record.
Mr. Hannon: And then there needs to be two votes.
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah. Its got to be -- yeah, it's got to be read.
Chair Russell: Correct. Please read it into the record, Madam City Attorney.
Ms. Mendez: I just wanted to confirm that the only amendment is the one exempting
the educational institutions?
Commissioner Carollo: And that they can lease through Off -Street Parking
Authority.
Chair Russell: Miami -- MPA.
Commissioner Carollo: MPA.
Chair Russell: Whereas this does not preclude them from --
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Chair Russell: -- contracting with MPA --
Commissioner Carollo: Yeah.
Chair Russell: -- under our current regulations.
Ms. Mendez: Okay.
Vice Chair Gort: (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: Yes.
The Ordinance was read by title into the public record by the City Attorney.
Ms. Mendez: I'm going to read it again. An emergency ordinance" -- oh --
actually, vote -- I'm sorry -- on that one.
Chair Russell: Can we vote, and --
Ms. Mendez: Yes. Sorry.
Chair Russell: -- then we read it again? All right. Thank you.
Ms. Mendez: Thank you.
Chair Russell: Roll call vote, please.
Commissioner Reyes: Yes, sir.
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Vice Chair Gort: No, you can (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: No, that's all right. All in favor, say "aye."
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously.
Commissioner Carollo: Second reading.
Chair Russell: Second reading.
Ms. Mendez: And second reading.
The Ordinance was read by title into the public record by the City Attorney.
Ms. Mendez: As amended.
Chair Russell: Thank you. All in favor, say "aye. "
Mr. Hannon: Is there a motion?
Chair Russell: Oh, you need a motion on the --
Vice Chair Gort: Move it.
Commissioner Carollo: There's a motion.
Vice Chair Gort: Second.
Chair Russell: There's been a motion by Commissioner Gort; seconded by
Commissioner Carollo. All in favor, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed?
Commissioner Reyes: No.
Chair Russell: Motion passes.
END OF EMERGENCY ORDINANCE
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ORDINANCE Second Reading
5749
AN ORDINANCE OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION AMENDING
MOVER:
CHAPTER 56, ARTICLE V/SECTION 56-113 OF THE CODE OF
Commissioners
THE CITY OF MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS AMENDED ("CITY CODE"),
and Mayor
TITLED "TAXATION/AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION FOR
ABSENT:
ENTERPRISE ZONE BUSINESSES/ELIGIBILITY
REQUIREMENTS," BY AMENDING THE ADMINISTRATIVE
PROVISIONS OF THE AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION
PROGRAM, TO SET FORTH THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH A
BUSINESS SITED IN AN EXISTING ENTERPRISE ZONE IS
DEEMED TO HAVE BEEN GRANTED THE CITY OF MIAMI'S
CURRENTLY EXISTING AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION, FOR
THE SOLE PURPOSE OF QUALIFYING FOR MIAMI-DADE
COUNTY'S ENTERPRISE ZONE EXEMPTION FOR WATER AND
SEWER CONNECTION CHARGES; CONTAINING A
SEVERABILITY CLAUSE; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: 13841
MOTION TO:
Adopt
RESULT:
ADOPTED
MOVER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Ken Russell, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Chair Russell: All right. So all we have left are ordinances; SR. 1. Is there a motion
on SR. 1 ? This is the --
Commissioner Hardemon: So moved.
Chair Russell: -- WASA (Water and Sewer Administration) ad valorem tax
exemption. Thank you very much. The Chair will second that gladly. And can we
read that item into the record, please, SR.1 ?
The Ordinance was read by title into the public record by the City Attorney.
Chair Russell: Commissioner, may I co-sponsor this item with you? It means a lot
to me, as well. I appreciate you bringing it forth.
Commissioner Hardemon: Everybody can co-sponsor.
Chair Russell: I know. I just want to be polite.
Vice Chair Gort: The more, the better.
Chair Russell: Please note me as a co-sponsor on this item.
Vice Chair Gort: The more, the better.
Commissioner Hardemon: Yes.
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Chair Russell: All right. Any further discussion on SR. 1 ? Hearing none, all in
favor, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes on SR. 1.
END OF SECOND READING ORDINANCE
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ORDINANCE First Reading
5830
AN ORDINANCE OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION AMENDING
CHAPTER 55 OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF MIAMI, FLORIDA,
Commissioners
AS AMENDED, TITLED "SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS," MORE
and Mayor
PARTICULARLY BY AMENDING SECTION 55-8, TITLED "SAME—
SAME—FINAL PLAT," SECTION 55-15, TITLED "VACATION AND
CLOSURE OF RIGHTS-OF-WAY, PLATTED EASEMENTS, AND
EMERGENCY ACCESS EASEMENTS BY PLAT," AND SECTION
55-16, TITLED "CONSIDERATION OF EASEMENTS AND ALLEYS
WHEN ALLEGED TO BE ABANDONED AS A MATTER OF LAW,"
TO ESTABLISH A LIMITED EXEMPTION TO THE REQUIREMENT
FOR REPAYMENT OF FUNDS FOR VACATED RIGHTS-OF-WAY
IMPROVED WITH CITY OF MIAMI FUNDS FOR NON -REVENUE
GENERATING GOVERNMENT-OWNED PROPERTIES USED
SOLELY BY SAID NON -REVENUE GENERATING
GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY AND BEING UTILIZED SOLELY FOR
A PUBLIC PURPOSE AND REQUIRING A PLAT AND A REQUIRED
DEED RESTRICTION WITH AN AUTOMATIC REVERTER TO BE
SHOWN ON ANY SUCH FINAL PLAT CONTAINING A VACATED
AND CLOSED RIGHT-OF-WAY TO BE INCORPORATED INTO
NON -REVENUE GENERATING GOVERNMENT-OWNED
PROPERTY BEING UTILIZED FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE TO
ENSURE REPAYMENT OF SUCH FUNDS SHOULD THE
PROPERTY CEASE TO BE USED SOLELY FOR SUCH PUBLIC
PURPOSE.
MOTION TO: Pass on First Reading
RESULT: PASSED ON FIRST READING
MOVER: Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
SECONDER: Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
AYES: Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT: Carollo, Reyes
Chair Russell: Moving to the first reading ordinances, FR.1. Is there a motion on
FR. 1 ? This is the subdivision regulations in Chapter 55.
Vice Chair Gort: Wasn't F1 [sic] --? I think that was deferred, wasn't it?
Chair Russell: FR.1 has -- FR.2 has been deferred; FR.1 is still before its.
Vice Chair Gort: Finalplat; move it.
Chair Russell: Do you want to clam which one it is? Would you like the --
Vice Chair Gort: This is final --
Chair Russell: -- Administration to present it?
Vice Chair Gort: --plat.
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Commissioner Hardemon: Present it. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) final plat one.
Chair Russell: Actually, FR.1 is --
Commissioner Hardemon: FR.1 is an amendment to the Code.
Chair Russell: Yes. That's right.
Vice Chair Gort: No. Wait a minute. FR.1, we don't have (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
sponsored by Manolo.
Chair Russell: This was Commissioner --
Vice Chair Gort: Commissioner Reyes.
Chair Russell: -- Reyes' item. Was he sponsoring this for the Administration? Is
this an Administration item?
Vice Chair Gort: This is a plat for downtown Miami for the courthouse that the
County is asking (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Unidentified Speaker: The courthouse, yes, that's correct.
Vice Chair Gort: Yes. I move it.
Chair Russell: This is FR.1 ?
Vice Chair Gort: Yes.
Chair Russell: Its been moved by Vice Chairman --
Commissioner Hardemon: Seconded by me.
Chair Russell: -- seconded by Commissioner Hardemon. Juvenal?
Juvenal Santana: Good afternoon. Juvenal Santana, Deputy Director, Department
of Resilience and Public Works. FR.1 is an amendment to chap -- this is a first
reading for Chapter 55, Section 8, with regards to establishing an exemption to the
requirements for repayment of funds for vacating right-of-ways [sic] improved
within the City.
Chair Russell: Got it. Any further discussion from the dais? Hearing none, all in
favor, say "aye. "
Todd B. Hannon (City Clerk): Chair, title.
Chair Russell: I thought we had already read it. Yes, please. Please read the title.
The Ordinance was read by title into the public record by the City Attorney.
Victoria Mendez (City Attorney): I would have the Commissioners note that between
first and second reading, there may be an amendment to say the timing of the plat
may be any -- a recorded document may be done in the public records that reflects
this, without having had to come back before Commission. So between first and
second reading, there's going to be that amendment.
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Chair Russell: Understood. Any further discussion from the dais? Hearing none,
all in favor, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes. That's FR. 1.
FR.2
ORDINANCE First Reading
5881
AN ORDINANCE OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION AMENDING
Commissioners
CHAPTER 35/ARTICLE XIII OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF
and Mayor
MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS AMENDED ("CITY CODE"), TITLED
ABSENT:
PRIVATE PARKING LOTS; MORE PARTICULARLY BY
REPEALING SECTION 35-290 OF THE CITY CODE, TITLED
"COMPLIANCE WITH THE INTERIM PARKING IN CHAPTER 62,
ARTICLE XIII, DIVISION 4," TO CLARIFY THAT THE USE OF
CERTAIN PROPERTIES TO SUPPORT PARKING NEEDS WITHIN
THE CITY OF MIAMI ON A TEMPORARY BASIS, WITH CERTAIN
RESTRICTIONS, IS ALLOWED UNDER THE TEMPORARY
PARKING PILOT PROGRAM PROVIDED FOR IN SECTION 62-
543(4) OF THE CITY CODE; DIRECTING THE CITY
ADMINISTRATION TO UPDATE SECTION 62-543 OF THE CITY
CODE; CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE; AND
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
MOTION TO: Defer
RESULT:
DEFERRED
MOVER:
Joe Carollo, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Carollo, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Gort, Reyes
Note for the Record. Item FR.2 was deferred to the June 13, 2019, Regular
Commission Meeting.
For minutes referencing Item FR.2, please see "Order of the Day. "
END OF FIRST READING ORDINANCE
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BU.1 BUDGET DISCUSSION ITEM
4967 MONTHLY REPORT
Office of I. SECTION 2-497 OF THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES
Management and (RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE DIRECTOR OF MANAGEMENT AND
Budget BUDGET)
II. SECTION 18-502 (CITY'S ANTI -DEFICIENCY ACT)
III. SECTION 18-542 (FINANCIAL INTEGRITY PRINCIPLES)
RESULT: DISCUSSED
Chair Russell: Moving on to BU. 1, please. Hello, Chris.
Christopher Rose (Director): Good afternoon, Commissioners. Chris Rose, Office
of Management and Budget. This is the monthly budget report, co-sponsored by
Commissioner Hardemon. We sent the report out earlier today. It is very similar to
last month's report. Really, the major difference is that it incorporates the
settlement that was agreed upon at the last Commission meeting with Flagstone
Gardens, LLC (Limited Liability Company). Other than that, it is pretty much the
same. We're tracking right around the same surplus, budget surplus. And we will
be still looking at a deficit, because we have used prior year fund balance for the
other settlements that have occurred already this year. We are proceeding with the
budget for next year. We're looking at the first week of July releasing that. And I'll
be happy to take any questions you have at this time.
Chair Russell: Any questions for the Budget Director? Hearing none, Thank you
very much, Mr. Rose.
Mr. Rose: Thank you, Commissioners.
Chair Russell: Well done.
END OF BUDGET
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D1.1 DISCUSSION ITEM
5840 A DISCUSSION REGARDING A PRESENTATION BY THE
City Manager's CHAIRPERSON OF THE FOLLOWING BOARDS/COMMITTEES
Office CONCERNING THEIR ANNUAL REPORTS:
- PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD
RESULT: DISCUSSED
Chair Russell: Moving on now to Board and Committees, Annual Reports. Do we
have anyone to present D1.1, please? Take (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Administration. Is
anyone here to report on the Boards and Committees? We have DI.1 on the agenda.
Joe Napoli (Deputy City Manager): It's the Parks. We're going to check to see,
Commissioner. They weren't here last time either.
Chair Russell: Okay.
Mr. Napoli: Mr. Chairman.
Chair Russell: Not at all. Which brings us to only two items in the Planning and
Zoning agenda that are in Commissioner Carollo's district, as well as a four-fifths
from the regular agenda that we cannot do without Commissioner Carollo, as well
as one other item that he had asked for us to hold on.
Commissioner Hardemon: What time is he (UNINTELLIGIBLE)?
Chair Russell: He was expected back at 5:30 at the earliest, so we'll have a choice
at that point of whether to adjourn and table -- I mean, defer these items, or take a
break for an hour and see if he comes back.
Commissioner Hardemon: Yeah. I'll (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- I want to especially
hear Commissioner Gort's item, because the young lady stepped before us to --
Vice Chair Gort: Yeah.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- present on it. An hour and a half is quite along time.
Vice Chair Gort: Well, we could be discussing -- this could be a sunshine meeting.
Anything you guys want to discuss?
Commissioner Hardemon: Anything else you want to talk about?
Later...
Chair Russell: Do we have any time estimate from Commissioner Carollo's office?
Todd B. Hannon (City Clerk): I guess we could address D1. 1, and we're speaking
with Commissioner Carollo's office right now.
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Vice Chair Gort: We're getting close. (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: DL 1. Did we get a -- someone from Parks here, or Parks Committee?
Mr. Napoli: No, they did not show up --
Chair Russell: Okay. So we will --
Mr. Napoli: -- Mr. Chairman.
Chair Russell: -- let me wait and see what we're going to do with the whole
remaining agenda then before I defer it.
Mr. Napoli: It's not someone from Parks; it's from the board, and they did not
show.
Chair Russell: From the board of --
Mr. Napoli: Right.
Commissioner Hardemon: Yeah, it's boards.
Mr. Napoli: Right.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. All right. So all we have from Planning and
Zoning is one remaining -- or two remaining companion items that are in
Commissioner Carollo's district, so if the will of this board is here to wait, we will
wait for the next hour and a half or so; otherwise, we can defer it to the next like
meeting.
D1.2 DISCUSSION ITEM
5490 A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE CITY MANAGER.
Commissioners
and Mayor
MOTION TO: Defer
RESULT:
DEFERRED
MOVER:
Joe Carollo, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Carollo, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Gort, Reyes
Note for the Record: Item DL2 was deferred to the June 13, 2019, Regular
Commission Meeting.
For minutes referencing Item DL2, please see "Order of the Day. "
END OF DISCUSSION ITEMS
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COMMISSIONER, DISTRICT THREE JOE CAROLLO
D3.1 DISCUSSION ITEM
5534 A DISCUSSION REGARDING CODE ENFORCEMENT.
Commissioners
and Mayor
MOTION TO:
Defer
RESULT:
DEFERRED
MOVER:
Joe Carollo, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Carollo, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Gort, Reyes
Note for the Record. Item D3.1 was deferred to the June 13, 2019, Regular
Commission Meeting.
For minutes referencing Item D3.1, please see "Order of the Day. "
END OF DISTRICT 3
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PART B: PZ - PLANNING AND ZONING ITEM(S)
The following item(s) shall not be considered before 2: 00 PM
PZ ORDER OF THE DAY
Chair Russell: Barnaby, just for the sake of procedure, could you read the
Planning and Zoning rules into the agenda -- I mean, into the record?
Barnaby Min (Deputy City Attorney): Yes, sir. PZ (Planning and Zoning) items --
Chair Russell: Thank -- and then we're going to move to the order of the day for
the entire agenda.
Mr. Min: -- shall proceed according to Section 7.1.4 of the Miami 21 Zoning
Code. Before any PZ item is heard, all those wishing to speak must be sworn in by
the City Clerk. Please note, Commissioners have been briefed by City staff and
the City Attorney on items on the agenda today. The members of the City
Commission shall disclose any ex parte communications to remove the
presumption of prejudice, pursuant to Florida Statute Section 286.011(5) and
Section 7.1.4.5 of the Miami 21 Zoning Code. Any person may be heard by the
City Commission through the Chair for not more than two minutes on any
proposition before the City Commission, unless modified by the Chair. If the
proposition is being continued or rescheduled, the opportunity to be heard may be
at such later date before the City Commission takes action on such proposition.
The Chairman will advise the public when the public may have the opportunity to
address the City Commission during the public comment period, or any other
designated time. When addressing the City Commission, the member of the public
must first state his or her name, his or her address, and what item will be spoken
about. A copy of the agenda item titles will be available at the City Clerk's Office
and at the podium for your ease of reference. Staff will then briefly present each
item to be heard. For applications requiring City Commission approval, the
applicant will then present its application or request to the City Commission. If
the applicant agrees with the staff recommendation, the City Commission may
proceed to its deliberation and decision. The applicant may also waive the right
to an evidentiary hearing on the record. The order of presentation shall be as set
forth in Miami 21 and in the City Code, providing that the appellant shall present
first. For appeals, the appellant will present its appeal to the City Commission,
followed by the appellee. Staff will be allowed to make any recommendations they
may have. All persons testifying must be sworn in. The City of Miami requires
that anyone requesting action by the City Commission must disclose before the
hearing anything provided to anyone for agreement to support or withhold
objection to the requested action, pursuant to City Code Section 2-8. Any
documents offered to the City Commissioners that have not been provided seven
days before the meeting as part of the agenda materials will be entered into the
record at the City Commission's discretion. If any Commissioner thinks that
documents supplied to the City Commission less than seven days before merit a
continuance, the item may be continued by the City Commission. Thank you, Mr.
Chairman.
Chair Russell: Thank you.
Later...
Chair Russell: If we could pass the mike to Mr. Garcia for a moment? He's at the
lectern. There we go. For the Planning and Zoning agenda, which is also open at
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this time, are there any items you'd like to see continued, withdrawn, or deferred?
I'm sorry.
Francisco Garcia: Yes, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Francisco Garcia, Director of
Planning. I do have a number of requests for withdrawals and/or continuances.
The first is PZ. 1. Item PZ. 1, I have received a notice of voluntary withdrawal from
the attorney for the applicant, Mr. Javier Fernandez, so PZ.1 to be withdrawn.
Items PZ.4 and PZ.S, the Administration is requesting that they be deferred to
June 13. And I also have, pursuant to conversations with the appellant for -- in
Item PZ.6, we are jointly requesting a continuance to the June 27 meeting of the
Commission.
Chair Russell: Is that enough time to find whatever consensus is necessary?
Mr. Garcia: I believe so, sir. I think we're very close in terms of devising a
strategy to move forward and bring the property into compliance; one month
should suffice.
Chair Russell: Okay. So that is a continuance of PZ.6?
Mr. Garcia: Yes, sir.
Chair Russell: All right. So that is PZ. 1, withdraw; PZ.4 and 5, defer; and PZ. 6,
continue. Is there anything else that --?
Mr. Garcia: That is correct, sir. That leaves us with Items PZ.2 and PZ.3, which
are companion items, in District 3.
Chair Russell: District 3 items. All right. Is there a motion to that effect --
Vice Chair Gort: Move it.
Chair Russell: --for PZs.1, 4, 5, and 6? Its been --
Peter Ehrlich: Sir?
Chair Russell: Yes. We'll open for public comment on the deferral. Let me just
get a motion. There's a motion by the Vice Chairman; seconded by the Chair.
Open for public comment on the deferral.
Mr. Ehrlich: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon. Peter Ehrlich.
Miami address is 720 Northeast 69th Street. I'm here on PZ.6, the item that the
Director just spoke about for the deferral. As a neighbor and a resident, and a
board member of Bayside Homeowners, and also the MiMo (Miami Modern)
Board, we support the deferral, but we'd also ask that the appellant be asked to
remove the sign -- remove the illegal mural while they're discussing the future of
the signs on the site with staff, if that would be at all possible. Thank you very
much.
Chair Russell: Thank you. Noted.
Mariela Lopez De Albear: Hello, Commissioners. Mariela Lopez De Albear, 661
Northeast 68th Street. I support my neighbor. They're doing the deferred time for
PZ.6; that they bring down the illegal mural and -- until further resolution is done
and the final decision on this. I would greatly appreciate that. And I also have
some letters in reference to this from my neighbors, which they were not able to be
here due to work, and I would like them to be put in the record. Thank you.
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Chair Russell: Thank you very much. With regard to the request that the mural
be removed, it's my understanding -- and the Administration can help me here --
until this is ruled upon, we won't be acting upon the issue, correct? Because it's
under appeal at this point.
Mr. Garcia: That is correct.
Chair Russell: Okay.
Mr. Garcia: The subject matter of the appeal is still open --
Chair Russell: Yep.
Mr. Garcia: -- and that will be properly taken up.
Chair Russell: So you will see the mural for a little while longer, but the goal here
is that rather than bringing them into noncompliant potential situation when
they're working on coming to an agreement with the board and the neighborhood
in the Minto District, we'd rather try to keep that in line from a time frame
perspective, so they don't become uncompliant while we're trying to work out an
agreement with them. So --
Ms. Lopez De Albear: Okay. So my understanding is that they're not being fined
until June 26, until they come into compliance, when the final resolution is going
to be done and their appeal; is that correct?
Chair Russell: This is a procedural question that once an appeal is filed -- and
maybe Barnaby or Francisco, or whoever would like to address that. The question
is as to whether or not they're being fined on a daily basis when they're under
appeal.
Barnaby Min (Deputy City Attorney): I would have to defer to the Code
Enforcement Department as far as what the status of that violation is. I'm
unaware of any stay that would --
Chair Russell: Not so much in that one in particular, but in general.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: In general. When they're --
Chair Russell: I'm sorry; I got it.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: Sorry.
Mr. Min: Then I would defer to the Department of Code Compliance. The way it
works is that they issue a notice of violation to a property owner; they give them a
period of time to come into compliance. If it does not come into compliance, they
go to the Code Enforcement Board. The Board then can either require immediate
compliance or give the property time to comply. Unfortunately, I don't know the
status of that, so I would have to --
Chair Russell: Right.
Mr. Min: -- defer to Code Compliance.
Chair Russell: Is this when a Code violation or a HEP (Historic and
Environmental Preservation) Board --? It is a Code violation.
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Mr. Min: Yes, sir.
Chair Russell: All right. So we'll get some clarification on that as soon as we've
got it.
Mr. Garcia: To the point -- to the question asked, I am advised that they have
received a continuance from the Code Enforcement Board, which means that they
are -- they have been granted time to bring the issue into compliance. Fines have
not begun to toll.
Chair Russell: Have or have not?
Mr. Garcia: Have not.
Chair Russell: Okay. Thank you. So you know what's going on.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: So they're not?
Chair Russell: They're not being fined, and they are not required to remove it
until this board will make the decision. Is that what's holding it off.?
Commissioner Hardemon: No.
Chair Russell: Until this board rules on the appeal?
Commissioner Hardemon: You said fines have not begin [sic] to toll --
Mr. Garcia: That is correct, sir.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- which means that they are still being fined?
Mr. Garcia: They are not being fined, sir.
Commissioner Hardemon: I thought the tolling of fines was the stopping of fines.
Mr. Garcia: I would yield to the Code Compliance Assistant Director.
Lazaro Orta: Good afternoon. If I may, Lazaro Orta, Assistant Director of Code.
They went -- the property appeared before the board, and they received an
extension pending the outcome of the appeal through the Commission. Until that
happens, the fine will not begin to accrue, because they are under an extension
from the Code Enforcement Board.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: Excuse me, but I saw it on video when the HEP Board met
with PZ.6 -- well, it wasn't PZ.6 back then -- and they asked them to remove the
mural, and then they appealed it to the City. They did not give them a
continuance. They asked them to remove it. And then they said that they were
going to appeal to the City. So that's not factual, what you just said.
Mr. Garcia: We will take this in two steps. As pertains to the Historic and
Environmental Preservation Board, you are correct in pointing out that their
proposal to retain the mural was not approved.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: Correct.
Mr. Garcia: So that mural that exists there presently continues to be in violation.
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Ms. Lopez De Albear: Correct.
Mr. Garcia: So that is the portion that pertains to the HEP Board. Then the
applicants have the ability to appeal the HEP Board's decision to this board, the
Commission. That is going to happen shortly; likely, at the next available meeting.
As pertains to the fine, or the Code violation itself, that was ruled upon by the
Code Enforcement Board. And what the Code Enforcement Board did was while
they found that the property was not in compliance, they also continued the item to
provide them some period of time to bring it into compliance. We are presently
within that period of time.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: So while you're bringing it into compliance, you're in a
freeze period of not having to pay the fines --
Mr. Garcia: Correct.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: -- until the final decision is made, whether you're in
compliance or not in compliance?
Mr. Garcia: That's correct.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: But my question is whether this Commission further down
the line grants the mural to stay or not to stay, or whatever; the neon sign, not
neon sign. In that whole period that they were not in compliance, does the City --
does the Code Enforcement recognize they were not in compliance during that
time, whether or not it was a frozen period, but they were not in compliance?
Commissioner Hardemon: They're still not in compliance.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: Will they be fined for all that time once we meet again?
That's my question.
Mr. Min: Mr. Chairman, those are questions that are appropriate for the Code
Enforcement Board, which is the sole authority that has the ability to fine the
property.
Chair Russell: Okay.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: I couldn't hear. What did you say?
Chair Russell: He said the Code Enforcement Board takes up those decisions.
For our part, we're just dealing with the appeal itself.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: Okay.
Chair Russell: So it's not under our purview of whether or not they're being fined
on a daily basis, so.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: Okay. And just one more thing. So it's going to be heard
again on the 26th? Is that the date that it's going to be heard?
Commissioner Hardemon: June 27.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: June 26?
Commissioner Hardemon: June 27.
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Ms. Lopez De Albear: Oh, June 27. Okay. In that time, will the Commission
make a final decision, or are they going to appeal it again and buy more time?
Commissioner Hardemon: They can't appeal it (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Chair Russell: We can't give you that answer at this point. We take that up at the
time. Right now we believe -- and I -- and you heard me ask the Director if that's
enough time to come to consensus, and he believes it is.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: Okay. I just know, because I have neighbors that they're
not granted these continuances the way this PZ.6 is being granted. Its kind of
weird.
Vice Chair Gort: Excuse me. I've been through this process in the Keys --
Ms. Lopez De Albear: Yes, sir. Yes.
Vice Chair Gort: You always -- you can get fined or you can get -- receive a
violation, but you have the right to go to the board and tell them, "Look, I have
this violation. I was not aware of it, because it was done by someone else. I need
time to take care of and fix this violation. " They can extend it and give you time,
and that's the way it is.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: No, no. I understand that, but what I'm saying --
Vice Chair Gort: On the 26th, according to the City of Miami, the way we behave
here in the City of Miami, we can vote against it, but they can take us to court
again. Okay?
Ms. Lopez De Albear: Okay. Thank you so much --
Vice Chair Gort: Just for your knowledge.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: -- for all your time, and I would like to have my three
neighbors that couldn't be here be recorded on the record.
Chair Russell: Of course.
Ms. Lopez De Albear: Thank you, sirs. Thank you so much.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. All right. Is there --? Oh, we have a
motion, and we have a second. Is there any further public comment on the
deferrals? Hearing none, any further discussion from the dais? All in favor of the
deferrals and withdrawals, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you very much.
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PZ.1
ORDINANCE First Reading
3517
AN ORDINANCE OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Department of
ATTACHMENT(S), AMENDING THE ZONING ATLAS OF ORDINANCE
Planning
NO. 13114, AS AMENDED, BY CHANGING THE ZONING
AYES:
CLASSIFICATION FROM 76-8-L," URBAN CORE - LIMITED, TO 76-
ABSENT:
12-L," URBAN CORE - LIMITED, OF APPROXIMATELY 0.55 ACRES
(23,939 square feet) OF REAL PROPERTIES LOCATED AT
APPROXIMATELY 1136 NORTHWEST 8 AVENUE, 1146
NORTHWEST 8 AVENUE, 1145 NORTHWEST 11 STREET ROAD,
AND 1157 NORTHWEST 11 STREET ROAD, MIAMI, FLORIDA;
MAKING FINDINGS; CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE; AND
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
MOTION TO:
Withdraw
RESULT:
WITHDRAWN
MOVER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Ken Russell, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. For minutes referencing Item PZ.1, please see "PZ Order of
the Day. "
PZ.2
ORDINANCE First Reading
4196
AN ORDINANCE OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Department of
ATTACHMENT(S), AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 10544, AS
Planning
AMENDED, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE MIAMI
COMPREHENSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, PURSUANT TO SMALL
SCALE AMENDMENT PROCEDURES SUBJECT TO SECTION
163.3187, FLORIDA STATUTES, BY CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND
USE DESIGNATION FROM "MEDIUM DENSITY RESTRICTED
COMMERCIAL" TO "RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL" OF THE
ACREAGE DESCRIBED HEREIN OF REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT
824, 826, 834, 842, 852, 860, 868, AND 876 NORTHWEST 1 STREET
AND 29 NORTHWEST 9 AVENUE, MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT "A"; MAKING FINDINGS;
CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE; AND PROVIDING FOR AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
MOTION TO: Continue
RESULT: CONTINUED
MOVER: Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER: Ken Russell, Commissioner
AYES: Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT: Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. Item PZ.2 was continued to the June 27, 2019, Planning and
Zoning Commission Meeting.
For additional minutes referencing Item PZ.2, please see Item PH.4.
Chair Russell: The remainder of the items we'll be deferring or continuing, so that
would be on PH4, which is a four fifths; we'll defer to 6113; and PZ (Planning and
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Zoning) -- do you need separate motions for items that are in the regular agenda
versus the Planning and Zoning agenda? And then PZ.2 and 3, we'll continue to
6/27. Can I get a motion to that effect?
Commissioner Hardemon: So moved.
Chair Russell: Its been moved by Commissioner Hardemon; seconded by the Chair.
Any public comment on the deferrals? Hearing none, any --? Go ahead.
Vice Chair Gort: I have a problem with my -- the -- somehow we're going to have to
find out if we can get an extension for the -- for my item, because they need this
funding to comply with the State regulations to have the generators in the facility; if
not, they're going to be penalized and they're going to be fined. So there's no way
he's going to come, right?
Chair Russell: Which item is that, Commissioner? Oh, because it's a four-fifths,
right. Yeah. This is the assistance to the elderly, and it's -- and certainly four-fifths
not of those present, but of the body. You may. We have public comment. I'll open
public comment back up on --for this deferral.
Luisana Hung Salazar: Thank you. No, as Commissioner Gort was saying, the new
emergency rule imposed by the Governor make us comply with the generator rule by
May 31. We're kind of running against --
Chair Russell: June 31?
Ms. Salazar: May 31. So that's the only thing. And, of course, as you know, we are
at risk of losing our license, which it will cost us to have to look for placement for
350 low-income older adults; out of which, 54 are Alzheimer's and other related
dementia diagnosis.
Chair Russell: This would have been a good one to grab before lunch, as well. I
apologize. I didn't realize the urgency.
Ms. Salazar: Its okay, sir. I understand.
Vice Chair Gort: This should have been done.
Chair Russell: I didn't realize the urgency. I apologize. The message you got from
Commissioner Carollo is that he's not coming back?
Todd B. Hannon (City Clerk): I'm sorry; I didn't ask him that, sir. I was just
checking to see what his intentions were with the remaining items. We can reach
back out.
Chair Russell: That'll be great. Its worth waiting, if we can. I mean -- but --
Vice Chair Gort: Its almost time.
Chair Russell: We'll wait.
Later...
Chair Russell: If we remove PH. 4 from the current amendment -- the current motion
and just do the deferral -- I mean -- sorry -- the continuance of PZ.2 and 3. Is that
okay with you, Commissioner Hardemon?
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Vice Chair Gort: Yes.
Chair Russell: All right. So then on the -- on that particular continuance, all in
favor, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes.
PZ.3
ORDINANCE First Reading
4201
AN ORDINANCE OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION, WITH
Department of
ATTACHMENT(S), AMENDING THE ZONING ATLAS OF ORDINANCE
Planning
NO. 13114, AS AMENDED, BY CHANGING THE ZONING
CLASSIFICATION FROM 75-0," URBAN CENTER TRANSECT -
OPEN, TO 76-8-0," URBAN CORE TRANSECT - OPEN, FOR THE
PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 824, 826, 834, 842, 852, 860, 868, AND
876 NORTHWEST 1 STREET AND 29 NORTHWEST 9 AVENUE,
MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
EXHIBIT "A"; MAKING FINDINGS; CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY
CLAUSE; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
MOTION TO: Continue
RESULT: CONTINUED
MOVER: Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER: Ken Russell, Commissioner
AYES: Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT: Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. Item PZ.3 was continued to the June 27, 2019, Planning and
Zoning Commission Meeting.
For minutes referencing Item PZ.3, please see Item PZ.2 and Item PK4.
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PZA
ORDINANCE Second Reading
4677
AN ORDINANCE OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION AMENDING
Department of
ORDINANCE NO. 13114, THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY
Planning
OF MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS AMENDED ("MIAMI 21 CODE"), MORE
AYES:
SPECIFICALLY BY AMENDING ARTICLE 1, SECTION 1.2 OF THE
ABSENT:
MIAMI 21 CODE, TITLED "DEFINITIONS OF TERMS," TO MODIFY
THE DEFINITIONS OF ATTAINABLE MIXED -INCOME HOUSING AND
WORKFORCE HOUSING; AMENDING ARTICLE 3, SECTION 3.15 OF
THE MIAMI 21 CODE, TITLED "AFFORDABLE AND ATTAINABLE
MIXED -INCOME HOUSING SPECIAL BENEFIT PROGRAM
SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS," TO ADD NEW INCENTIVES
INCLUDING A FLOOR LOT RATIO ("FLR") BONUS AND NEW
MINIMUM UNIT SIZES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF PROJECTS
PROVIDING HOUSING FOR MIXED -INCOME POPULATIONS AT OR
BELOW ONE HUNDRED FORTY PERCENT (140%) OF AREA
MEDIAN INCOME AS ESTABLISHED BY THE UNITED STATES
DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT; AND TO
CLARIFY LANGUAGE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE; CONTAINING A
SEVERABILITY CLAUSE; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
MOTION TO:
Defer
RESULT:
DEFERRED
MOVER:
Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
SECONDER:
Ken Russell, Commissioner
AYES:
Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT:
Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. Item PZ.4 was deferred to the June 13, 2019, Regular
Commission Meeting.
For minutes referencing Item PZ.4, please see "PZ Order of the Day. "
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PZ.5 ORDINANCE First Reading
5310 AN ORDINANCE OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION AMENDING
ORDINANCE NO. 13114, THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY
Commissioners OF MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS AMENDED ("MIAMI 21"), MORE
and Mayor- PZ SPECIFICALLY BY AMENDING ARTICLE 1, SECTION 1.2, TITLED
"DEFINITIONS OF TERMS," TO MODIFY THE DEFINITIONS OF
ATTAINABLE MIXED -INCOME HOUSING AND WORKFORCE
HOUSING; BY AMENDING ARTICLE 3, SECTION 3.15, TITLED
"AFFORDABLE AND ATTAINABLE MIXED -INCOME HOUSING
SPECIAL BENEFIT PROGRAM SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS," TO
ADD NEW INCENTIVES, INCLUDING A FLOOR LOT RATIO ("FLR")
BONUS AND NEW MINIMUM UNIT SIZES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT
OF PROJECTS, PROVIDING HOUSING FOR MIXED -INCOME
POPULATIONS AT OR BELOW ONE HUNDRED FORTY PERCENT
(140%) OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME AS ESTABLISHED BY THE
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN
DEVELOPMENT, AND TO PERMIT AFFORDABLE AND ATTAINABLE
MIXED -INCOME DEVELOPMENTS ABUTTING A T3 TRANSECT
ZONE BY PROCESS OF EXCEPTION WITH CITY COMMISSION
APPROVAL; TO CLARIFY LANGUAGE WITHIN MIAMI 21; MAKING
FINDINGS; CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE; AND
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
MOTION TO: Defer
RESULT: DEFERRED
MOVER: Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
SECONDER: Ken Russell, Commissioner
AYES: Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT: Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. Item PZ.S was deferred to the June 13, 2019, Regular
Commission Meeting.
For minutes referencing Item PZ. S, please see "PZ Order of the Day. "
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PZ.6 RESOLUTION
5770 A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION
Department of GRANTING/DENYING THE APPEAL FILED BY JOEY CANCEL
Planning ("APPELLANT") AND REVERSING/AFFIRMING/MODIFYING THE
DECISION OF THE MIAMI HISTORIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL
PRESERVATION BOARD'S DENIAL, PURSUANT TO SECTION 23-
6.2(b)(4) OF THE CITY CODE OF THE CITY OF MIAMI, FLORIDA, AS
AMENDED, OF THE APPLICATION FOR AN AFTER -THE -FACT
SPECIAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE
PAINTING OF MURALS ON A NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY
LOCATED AT APPROXIMATELY 6789 BISCAYNE BOULEVARD,
MIAMI, FLORIDA, WITHIN THE MIAMI MODERN/BISCAYNE
BOULEVARD ("MIMO") HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH THE FOLIO
NUMBER 0132180090010.
MOTION TO: Continue
RESULT: CONTINUED
MOVER: Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
SECONDER: Ken Russell, Commissioner
AYES: Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT: Carollo, Reyes
Note for the Record. Item PZ.6 was continued to the June 27, 2019, Planning and
Zoning Commission Meeting.
For minutes referencing Item PZ. 6, please see "PZ Order of the Day. "
END OF PLANNING AND ZONING ITEMS)
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NAA DIRECTIVE
5985 DIRECTION BY COMMISSIONER REYES TO THE CITY
Office of the City MANAGER TO ENSURE THAT NO CITY OF MIAMI FUNDS ARE
Cierk USED FOR THE COCONUT GROVE PLAYHOUSE THEATER.
RESULT: DISCUSSED
Commissioner Reyes: I want to place a directive to the City Manager, if I may, that
-- you see, we don't -- we won't place any funds on -- okay -- on the Coconut Grove
Playhouse; that no funds from the City of Miami is going to go there.
Emilio T. Gonzalez (City Manager): So you're directing --
Commissioner Carollo: There's a second to that.
Commissioner Reyes: Yes, sir.
Mr. Gonzalez: Okay. Yes, sir; noted.
Commissioner Reyes: It's an ordinance, okay, that no -- ordinance or a resolution;
whatever you want to call it.
Commissioner Carollo: Resolution now. You could bring an ordinance back, if
you --
Commissioner Reyes: That's right. A resolution that not a single penny is going to
go there. There is a second?
Commissioner Carollo: There's a second.
Chair Russell: In order to -- we have a motion on the floor -- I'm sorry -- with
regard to this, RE. 14.
Commissioner Carollo: No. There's --
Commissioner Reyes: RE.4 [sic], okay --
Chair Russell: 14.
Commissioner Reyes: -- we could take that later.
Chair Russell: All right.
Commissioner Reyes: Okay.
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NA.2
RESOLUTION
5962
A RESOLUTION OF THE MIAMI CITY COMMISSION ACCEPTING
ALL FUNDS AGREED TO OR AWARDED AS SANCTIONS, AFTER
Commissioners and
ATTORNEYS' FEES AND COSTS ("FUNDS"), IN THE CASES OF:
Mayor
THE BANK OF NEW YORK MELLON, F/K/A THE BANK OF NEW
YORK, AS TRUSTEE, VS JOSEPH BEHR, ET AL. CASE NUMBER
CACE 11023871 DIV11, THE BANK OF NEW YORK MELLON,
F/K/A THE BANK OF NEW YORK, AS TRUSTEE, VS VICKY LEE
GRUSBY, ET AL. CASE NUMBER CACE 11021448 DIV11, AND
THE BANK OF NEW YORK MELLON, F/K/A THE BANK OF NEW
YORK, AS TRUSTEE, VS RICHARD VON HOUTMAN, ET AL.
CASE NUMBER CACE 08031773 DIV11; ESTABLISHING A
SPECIAL REVENUE ACCOUNT ENTITLED "AFFORDABLE
HOUSING PROCEEDS FUND" IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THE
FUNDS; DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO DEVELOP A
FRAMEWORK IN ORDER TO UTILIZE OR DISTRIBUTE THE
FUNDS TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROUGHOUT
THE CITY OF MIAMI AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
ENACTMENT NUMBER: R-19-0195
MOTION TO: Adopt
RESULT: ADOPTED
MOVER: Keon Hardemon, Commissioner
SECONDER: Wifredo (Willy) Gort, Commissioner
AYES: Russell, Gort, Hardemon
ABSENT: Carollo, Reyes
Chair Russell: While we do have a moment, gentlemen, I'd like to bring your
attention to a pocket item that I handed out with the City Attorney at the very
beginning of the morning; if I could present it to you, and I'm sure you may have
some questions. There -- you all recall the legal case that we were involved in with
Wells Fargo, et cetera, that went to the Supreme Court. That's the City of Miami
standing up and saying, you know, had behavior of the banks led to many illegal
foreclosures, which led to losses for the City. There's another similar case on a
separate path going on in Fort Lauderdale tomorrow, and that was brought to my
attention. So I asked our City Attorney to look at it, meet with that attorney to see if
there was a dovetail of the two cases; there is not. They're separate enough that we
don't want one to interfere with the other, or muddy the waters on the one we're so
far successful on. But there is a potential there in this case, and what this case is
alleging is that banks, such as Bank of America, Bank of New York, have continued
fraudulent activity leading to illegal foreclosures far beyond any settlements or court
orders, so they're in contempt according to this case. The problem is, this is now a
criminal case, and there is no -- listen to me; talking like a lawyer here -- one to
receive the funds if a punitive judgment is made against them. So what I'm offering,
which the attorney believes will help with his case, is for its as a city to be an outlet
or a clearinghouse for any award given, which could be in the possible multiple
billions of dollars, and that we earmark all of it for affordable housing, and that it be
presented to the judge through this resolution that the City of Miami would be a
good steward of this as we have just completed -- or we're working on completing
the largest study we've ever done in our history with FIU (Florida International
University) and the Metropolitan Center on how to appropriately spend affordable
housing dollars in today's climate and all of the challenges within the affordable
housing spectrum that we're facing; and two, our record of holding banks
accountable for similar situations. It doesn 't put us at any risk; it doesn 't put us any
liability; it doesn't tie us to their case. It's simply saying, if they win, and this judge
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doesn't know what to do with the money, we'll take it, and we'll make sure we're
good stewards of it throughout the State. Its not all for us; it's a case against the
banks for the entire State. And so, we would be directing the Manager to create a
framework under which these funds could be allocated and dispersed. I envision
some sort of program where municipalities who are interested apply to us, and that
sort of thing. And, of course, a good portion of it will be available to the City of
Miami, as I guarantee you, we have a great percentage of the affordable housing
crisis in this State. So that's my pocket. Commissioner Gort.
Vice Chair Gort: I think it's an excellent idea, but I have to tell you, the study that I
read, I know a place where they had a -- they did a survey on the amount of the
people that were there, and most of the people were there really were not knowing
what they were answering, so I don't have too much faith. But I think we do need
affordable housing, but also, I think we need home ownership. The money should be
created also -- In a lot of our neighborhoods, we have people with Code violations
that cannot afford to fix it, because they -- we -- and that going to be an item for
discussion next month, because we have a lot of problems getting those people any
help so they can go ahead and comply with the fine -- with the Code and take care of
the Code, because they don't have the money for it. It takes an engineer, it takes an
architect, and a lot of the people come out, and they can't get the right people to do
so. So I think that's an excellent idea. We should dedicate it all. And I think, if we
have a plan that we can put together, we'll have a better chance of getting the
funding directed to them, because to me, homeownership is the most important thing
in any neighborhood. And the other thing we looked at is we need to somehow --
there was an article came out in the paper the other day. Its the -- a group of
individual businesspeople from -- in Tallahassee and from -- they met, about 500 of
them, a large group, and they recommended that affordable housing is important,
homeownership is important, but also create jobs that will pay more, and train
people so they can pick up the new jobs in the new industry that's coming out, so
people can get a higher salary than what it is today. So those, I think is focused, and
it's ideal to do.
Commissioner Hardemon: Two things: One, do we get a percentage for managing
this fund? Do we get like a management? Second, why didn't the other city where
the suit was being brought out of create something like this?
Chair Russell: The attorney recognized our efforts already and a willingness.
There's another city that is interested in this. It's not the case within their
jurisdiction. Its also happening in the State of Hawaii. The same attorney is
managing it. And the county of Maui is writing a very similar resolution to ours on
behalf of a suit in the State of Hawaii.
Commissioner Hardemon: So --
Chair Russell: But I couldn't answer why -- if and why Broward wasn't interested. I
didn't ask. I just said, "Yes, we will. "
Commissioner Hardemon: Should we go to Hawaii to figure out what the legislation
looks like --
Chair Russell: We may just have to do that.
Commissioner Hardemon: -- how it applies to the people? Yeah, okay.
Vice Chair Gort: We have to go there.
Commissioner Hardemon: Aloha.
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Vice Chair Gort: We have to go and see the program.
Commissioner Hardemon: Right.
Chair Russell: They do have a tight housing crisis as well, though. It's --
Commissioner Hardemon: I can imagine.
Chair Russell: -- surprisingly or not.
Vice Chair Gort: I think it's an excellent idea.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
Commissioner Hardemon: So moved.
Chair Russell: Thank you. It's been moved by Commissioner Hardemon --
Vice Chair Gort: Second.
Chair Russell: --seconded by the Vice Chairman. I'll open for public comment on
this item. Is there anyone here who would like to speak on my pocket resolution with
regard to the affordable housing fund we'd like to create? Hearing none, I'll close
public comment.
Vice Chair Gort: I have a pocket item.
Chair Russell: No further discussion from the dais. All in favor, say "aye. "
The Commission (Collectively): Aye.
Chair Russell: Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you very much, gentlemen.
NA.3 DIRECTIVE
5986 DIRECTION BY VICE CHAIR GORT TO CITY ATTORNEY AND
Office of the City CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW THE CURRENT RULES AND
Cierk REGULATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH SPECIAL PERMITS.
RESULT: DISCUSSED
Chair Russell: Commissioner Gort, you have a pocket item.
Vice Chair Gort: Originally, I was going to bring this as a discussion item, but the
-- there was not enough time, so I have to bring it up as a pocket item. I'm having a
lot of problem with the special permits. Special permit is the -- my understanding,
it was established for those non -for-profit that want to set up a -- some kind of a
festival or events so they can raise money for the -- whatever they have, and it
works out good. But I think some of the people are abusing. I have a couple of
buildings in my district, which every weekend with a special permit, they can have a
nightclub. So what they're doing, they're running a nightclub by utilizing the
special permit. I think that's something that we need to look at. We need to change
the rules and regulations. I talked to the director of that department, and he told
me he's working on it, but we need to do something right away, because my
understanding, one of the buildings where this was being done
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(UNINTELLIGIBLE) Certificate of Occupancy. They don't have a Certificate of
Occupancy. They don't have a CO (Certificate of Occupancy). They don't have
Fire Department's right-of-way -- or permission from the Fire Department. And
you need to understand, many of those buildings is three-story building. You can
have over 500 people in there. If afire or anything takes place in there, it could be
deadly, and we will be responsible for it, and we'll be liable for it. So we got to
look at those special permits, really look at it, and we got to really work on it. So
I'm instructing the -- I'd like to instruct the Administration to please look into it
with the attorneys, with our assistant -- the attorneys, and let's do all the tweaking
that we need to do to make it very specific.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much. That's direction; you don't need a motion on
that item?
Vice Chair Gort: No.
Chair Russell: Okay. Thank you very much. All good?
Barnaby Min (Deputy City Attorney): Yes. We --
Chair Russell: All right.
Later...
Chair Russell: Commissioner Gort.
Vice Chair Gort: I think this can give us a chance, an opportunity for all of us to
discuss a lot of the things we need to discuss with the Administration. I mean, we
talked about sunshine meeting. This is the best sunshine meeting we can have right
here, and we can ask questions and -- If I can get some idea from the City Attorney,
how they thinks they can improve the special permit, I really would like to
(UNINTELLIGIBLE) hear from them.
Joe Napoli (Deputy City Manager): Certainly, Commiss -- I mean, just -- right now
we do have a working group, coincidentally, on special permits, TUPs (Temporary
Use Permits), as well, on our processes and procedures, because, as you said,
things have changed, and now a lot of entities are using the special permit; not for
street festivals and that sort of thing, but for a variety of events. The Code says for a
special event that the organizer can organize up to ten special events a year;
doesn't specify property. So several organizers can use the same property
throughout the year and have more than 10 special events. That's one thing we're
looking at from a Code perspective. Also on the process on the inspections that are
due; and then violations, how the violations are tracked, and whether they get a
permit again if they have continual violations. But we're looking at the entire
process from soup to nuts, and I think we'll have some good recommendations, both
in the process as well as, perhaps some coaching.
Vice Chair Gort: But what you're saying, organizers. They can have 10 events a
year; almost once a month. I mean, 10 events in a whole year can be -- take 10
month. So who are these organizers of this professional business? Does it become
professional business?
Mr. Napoli: It essentially becomes that. As you're saying, it could become that,
because you could have several -- more than 10 throughout the year at the same
location.
Vice Chair Gort: So -- but we need to -- a description, what's an organizer?
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Mr. Napoli: Right.
Vice Chair Gort: And what is the use of special permit?
Mr. Napoli: I agree.
Vice Chair Gort: And it should be limited to the place where they're going to have
the event. I had -- during Ultra, they had an event which was in an apartment
building -- in the parking lot, right next to an apartment building, two blocks away
from the church, and the priest wasn't too happy about it.
Mr. Napoli: Right.
Vice Chair Gort: Those -- these are the things we need to look into it, because
people -- unfortunate, we put things with good faith, hoping people will follow it,
but somehow, people misuse it all the time.
Mr. Napoli: So, Commissioner, we'll continue with our process, and then obviously
come to you once we come up with some --
Vice Chair Gort: No. I understand there's specific areas where we allow them
because of the area, but now they're doing it without coming to the Commission or
anything like this.
Chair Russell: Thank you very much.
The meeting adjourned at 5:04 p.m.
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