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BAYFRONT PARK MANAGEMENT TRUST
— BOARD MEETING —
DATE: Tuesday, October 24, 2017
TIME: 12:00 p.m.
LOCATION: Bayfront Park
301 North Biscayne Boulevard
Miami, Florida 33132
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BOARD MEMEBERS
Commissioner Frank Carollo
Marlene Avalo (by telephone)
Emilio Calleja
Alex Cardenas
Ralph Duharte
Frank Fernandez
Jeanie Hernandez (by telephone)
Nathan R. Kurland
Marie Louissaint
ALSO PRESENT
Rodolfo Calderon
Jose Gell
Rafael Suarez -Rivas
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Mary Wick, Domino Gibbs, Maykelin Salmeron,
Michael Gaid, Claudio Riedi, Dexter Lehtinen,
Steve McCord, Sandy York, Valeria Sanchez,
Karina Mestre, Tony Delahiguera, Peter Davidson,
Robert Weinreb, Gene Walton, Fran Fenton,
Cristina Palomo, Eileen Higgins, Ray Martinez,
Tim Gomez, Brian Oliver, Rodney Barreto,
Rev. Pedro Martinez, Wayne Tillman, Carl Bey,
Steve Dutton, Jacqueline Johnston, Manuel Perez,
Abigail Mahony, Don Silver, David Smiley,
Mark Rosenblum, Saif Hamideh, Tom Temp,
Jason Walker, Sue Nelson, Andres Althabe,
Valeria Sanchez, Scott Larson
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The following proceedings began at 12:04 p.m.:
MR. CAROLLO: Good afternoon, everybody.
I would like to commence Tuesday, October 24th,
2014 -- 2017, I'm sorry, for Bayfront Park
Management Trust. We will begin with the pledge
of allegiance, and I'll ask our secretary to lead
US. Mr. Gell.
(Thereupon, the pledge of allegiance is
recited.)
MR. CAROLLO: Thank you, Mr. Gell.
We will continue not with roll call. My
name is Frank Carollo, I'm chairman of the Trust.
MR. CELL: Jose Gell, Bayfront Park.
MR. KURLAND: Nathan Kurland, Bayfront
Park Management Trust.
MR. CALDERON: Rodolfo Calderon, Bayfront
Park Management Trust.
MR. CALLEJA: Emilio Calleja, Bayfront
Park Management Trust.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Frank Fernandez, Bayfront
Park Management Trust.
MR. CARDENAS:
Park Management Trust.
MR. DUHARTE:
Management Trust.
Alex Cardenas, Bayfront
Ralph Duharte, Bayfront Park
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MS. LOUISSAINT: Marie Louissaint,
Bayfront Park Management Trust.
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: Rafael Suarez -Rivas,
Office of the City Attorney.
MS. WICK: Mary Wick, court reporter for
Taylor Janovic.
MR. WEINREB: Bob Weinreb, City Manager's
Office.
MS. SALMERON: Maykelin Salmeron, Office
of Commissioner Frank Carollo.
MS. GIBBS: Domini Gibbs, Office of
Commissioner Carollo.
MR. TILLMAN: Wayne Tillman, Commissioner
Carollo.
Park.
MS. SANCHEZ: Valeria Sanchez, Bayfront
MS. MESTRE: Karina Mestre, Bayfront Park.
THE COURT REPORTER: Alexa Goldman, court
reporter.
MR. BARETTO: Rodney Barreto, Super Bowl
committee.
MR. RIEDI: Claudio Riedi, attorney for
Events Entertainment Group.
MR. LEHTINEN: Dexter Lehtinen with
Claudio Riedi.
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MS. YORK: Sandy York, Ultra Music
Festival.
MR. MARTINEZ: Ray Martinez, Ultra Music
Festival.
MR. WALTON: Gene Walton, 900 Biscayne.
MR. OLIVER: Brian Oliver, Rolling Loud.
GENTLEMAN MR. SPEAKER 2: Tim Gomez,
Floridian Partners.
REV. MARTINEZ: Reverend Martinez.
MR. DELAHIGUERA: Tony Delahiguera, Live
Nation.
MS. FENTON: Fran Fenton.
MR. DONOVAN: Sam Donovan.
MR. HIGGINS: Eileen Higgins, Downtown
Neighborhoods Alliance.
MS. PALOMO: Cristina Palomo, President,
Downtown Neighborhoods Association.
MR. LAID: Michael Gaid, Ultra Music
Festival.
MR. MCCORD: Steven McCord, Event
Entertainment Group.
MR. CAROLLO: I think we have
Ms. Hernandez on the phone. Ms. Hernandez?
Jeanie?
MS. HERNANDEZ: Jeanie Hernandez, Bayfront
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Park Management Trust.
MR. CAROLLO:
waiting for Ms. Avalo.
agenda.
Thank you. We're just
Let's continue with the
I think we have a pretty packed agenda, so
I'm going to ask everyone, obviously, to maintain
decorum as always. And I'm going to try to run
through this a little briefly, although I'll give
ample time to discuss any items.
With that said, Mr. Calderon, if you will,
Trust finances.
MR. CALDERON: Thank you, Commissioner.
Let's review the month of September 2017. The
first page of the report shows a negative change
in net position of $356,745. I would like to
point out the main reason for the deficit is due
to emergency expense for Hurricane Irma. We're
working with the City of Miami and FEMA to get the
funds reimbursed.
If we go to page 12, we have a
year-to-date for the full year, for the fiscal
year 2016-2017, before depreciation, we have a
positive change around $514,132. After
depreciation, it goes down to 76,928. That
includes the expenses we had due to the hurricane.
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We go to page 23, it shows a balance
sheet. The last line is $10.6 million, that is
cash at 4.1 and assets at 6.4.
Page 25, accounts receivable report, and
the last page, minimum cash flow with a cash
ending balance of 4.1.
MR.
CALLEJA:
Motion
to
approve?
MR.
CAROLLO:
Motion
by
Mr. Calleja to
approve. Is there a second?
MR. CARDENAS: Second.
MR. CAROLLO: Motion seconded by
Mr. Cardenas.
Any discussion? Hearing no discussion,
all in favor say aye.
BOARD MEMBERS: Aye.
MR. CAROLLO: Anyone in opposition have
the same right to say no.
Motion carries unanimously.
Mr. Calderon, continue, please.
MR. CALDERON: Let's continue with page
25, the arrearage report. The first item is
Cirish for $500, that has been paid. Live Nation,
paid. Roc -Off Productions, paid as well. South
Beach Lady, we're waiting for the check. It's on
its way. Urenergy Yoga is paid. That's all for
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the report.
MR. CAROLLO: Very good. Thank you.
Moving into the approval items, consent
agenda. Does any board members want to pull any
items from the consent agenda?
MR. KURLAND: Motion to approve as a
whole.
MR. CAROLLO: Motion by Mr. Kurland. Is
there a second?
MS. LOUISSAINT: Second.
MR. CAROLLO: Second by Ms. Louissaint.
Any discussion?
The only thing I want to point out is in
Resolution 17-061 for the minutes to be
transcribed verbatim. I want to make sure it goes
from now on, but at the same time, I want to go
back all the way to January 1st, or the first
meeting of January 2017, so that all the minutes
are transcribed verbatim from all the meetings.
With that said, any further discussion?
No. All in favor say aye.
BOARD MEMBERS: Aye.
MR. CAROLLO: Anyone in opposition has the
same right to say no.
Motion carries unanimously.
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There's a couple of individuals I see
coming in. Say your name for the record.
MR. DUTTON: Steve Dutton.
MR. CAROLLO: And I see --
MR. PEREZ: Manuel Perez.
MR. CAROLLO: Thank you.
And your name, sir?
MR. BEY: Tom Bey.
MR. CAROLLO: Thank you.
Moving into the general agenda items. The
first item is the City of Miami Ticket Surcharge
Ordinance. Members, I'd like to do a quick
explanation. Right now as it currently exists,
there's already a ticket surcharge in the City of
Miami. The only thing that this is actually doing
is doing an adjustment for a higher paid ticket.
If you go to your pack, you'll see in the
last page where we're adjusting or amending the
new ordinance, it's actually just for higher paid
tickets. So in other words, that someone who is
paying $1,500 for a ticket, doesn't pay the same
surcharge as someone who is paying $30 per ticket.
It went to the city commission and was
unanimously approved. Commissioner asked me to
bring it to Bayfront Park, so I brought it here to
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Bayfront Park, and we're scheduled to have a
second reading soon.
Now, with that said, as a side note, I do
want to say that Bayfront Park and this Trust has
been around for many, many years. And I could
tell you, in all the years that this Trust has
operated, there's only been eight years, eight
years, that the city has not subsidized it at all.
In other words, eight years that this
Trust was spending self-sustaining happens to be
the eight years that I have been chairman.
Regardless who sits here after me, who sits there,
or if I ever step foot in this building again, I
am setting the structure for this Trust to be
financially sound for many, many years to come.
And at the same time, making sure that all
the employees that have made Bayfront Park such a
success, don't have to worry about their salaries,
whether they're going to have pay cuts, whether
they're going to have insurance for their
families, whether they're going to have any
retirement benefits.
I will not let your typical City of Miami
politics get in the way of doing this. So I
welcome a motion for any discussion you feel we
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should have.
Mr. Kurland.
MR. KURLAND: I will speak for myself,
however I don't believe any members of the Trust
will have a problem receiving more money from the
various producers in events from this park.
MR. CAROLLO: Exactly.
MR. KURLAND: We seem to be foregoing the
process it usually takes to something like an
increase in surcharge. The exact comment by
Commissioner Russell at the commission was,
Commissioner Carollo, have you discussed this with
the Bayfront Park Trust? He didn't recommend that
you go to us; he asked had you already done it.
My problem is there is a process in place
whereby this Trust is entrusted with the well
being of Bayfront Park as you have been our chair.
We seem to be eliminating any potential input from
this Trust and putting it all in your hands, not
necessarily voluntarily.
So it is not that we're receiving more
money. I think all of us agree the health of the
park depends on our revenue streams. But I'm
objecting to the process by which we discuss and
then we come to -- and even to the point where I
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would like to have had the producers of Ultra,
perhaps, make a presentation to us about how
they're feeling. I would like the Rolling Loud
producers to come to us and talk about it. Not
because I'm not going to do it because they say
they would rather not pay more money, but because
it's part of the process. If you eliminate the
process, you eliminate the will of this board.
Lately, we don't seem to have much will or any
input whatsoever.
MR. DUHARTE: I totally agree with his
comments.
MR. CAROLLO: I have no doubt.
Any other comments?
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: May I bring up
something factually that may be obvious? The
ticket surcharge is a regulation that the city has
is citywide, and its implementation may indeed
impact certain facilities more than others. But I
think Chapter 53 in the code originally was
written when the city -- you also had the Coconut
Grove Exhibition Center, you had a series at the
Commodore Ralph Monroe Marine Center active again.
All I want to mention is it's written in a
citywide basis.
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MR. CAROLLO: If you remember a few months
back when our former executive director was here,
he mentioned the fact of having shortfalls in the
revenue streams. His way was to have additional
events. There are other ways to make up the
shortfalls. This is one of them. And I don't
believe that someone that pays $1,200, $1,500 per
ticket should pay the same surcharge as someone
who pays $30 a ticket.
Mr. Kurland.
MR. KURLAND: Once again, I want to
reiterate, it is not about achieving additional
funds, it is the process for which the board sits
here. This board is meant to opine in what it is
we exactly intend to do. And this board has had
precious little input of late in terms of what it
is that is coming out under our name.
MR. CAROLLO: So how much time do you need
to opine? Because that's what we're doing right
now, we're having a discussion so you can opine.
How much time?
MR. KURLAND: Certainly, before it goes to
the city and to the city commission, it would have
been polite, at the very least, and possibly
important, at the very most, for us to have some
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kind of input and to continue the process.
No one person runs the Bayfront Park
Management Trust. There are nine of us all
together. Usually, with the kinds of decisions of
this magnitude, you would think there would be
input from all.
In this instance, I not only didn't have
input, I wasn't even aware it was happening until
it was already happened. That should not be the
way we are informed as members of this Trust.
MR. CAROLLO: Well, give your input.
MR. KURLAND: I'm doing it right now as we
speak.
MR. CAROLLO: Right. Right. So give your
input with regards to the issue right now.
MR. KURLAND: I object to the process by
which you are doing this, not the input of extra
income.
MR. CAROLLO: Okay. So what's the
process? What should be the process? You want to
put it for the next meeting? I mean, what's the
process? I'm leaving it up to you. What's the
process? I'll defer it to the commission. What's
the processes? Give me an additional 30 days?
Hey, what's the process?
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MR. KURLAND: Well, if I take you as my
example, you have literally at city commission
objected to more of a lack of information and
requested deferrals than any other commission, for
which I respect you. Because, at the very least,
you should have all the information possible
before you make a decision.
I am objecting to the fact that this went
before the city commission before it was even
discussed by Bayfront Park Trust, before we had an
opportunity to hear what our producing events had
to say. I just would have liked a little more
input before I'm being asked to pass on it and
allow the city commission to vote a second vote
already and make it happen before we had a chance
to say a word.
MR. CAROLLO: Two things. Two things.
First of all, it's a citywide issue, it's not just
a Bayfront Park issue. I still brought it before
the final commission meeting. I brought it before
the final vote. Okay. And I'm telling you, what
do you want to do? Do you want it extended?
Ultra is here. Rolling Loud is here. You want to
hear from them? You left one out, the residents
are here, too.
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MR. KURLAND: We should hear from them.
That's also on our agenda as well. We could
certainly discuss that as well.
MR. CAROLLO: The reason being is, you
know, I'm tired of saying, oh, you know, we don't
have time, this and that. So I'm bringing it here
as an informational item. You can see it, take as
much time as you want. Because realistically,
we're not taking a vote on this today. It's going
to be something for the future. But I'm giving
you way enough time for you all to read it, read
it again, and keep going on it.
MR. KURLAND: We're don't get to vote on
this today, but the city commission is? At what
point does it matter if we discuss it or vote on
it or not?
MR. CAROLLO: No, we're not voting on the
informational item.
Mr. Calleja.
MR. CALLEJA: Just a reminder, other
cities, other concert venues, other events, and
their surcharges to compare what we're doing?
MR. CAROLLO: Well, let me answer it this
way, what other city, other venue, sells tickets
for 1,500 or 1,200 and the average price is
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somewhere in the area of $400, $500?
MR. CALLEJA: Chicago. New York.
MR. CAROLLO: It's hard to --
MR. CALLEJA: I think that's part of the
discussion what Nathan was bringing up. Maybe
we're way under, maybe we should charge more,
maybe we're not in par with other cities, other
events. Maybe that's what he's getting to.
MR. CAROLLO: Mr. Duharte.
MR. DUHARTE: Commissioner, by you saying
that, you're admitting, basically, you're doing
this for Bayfront Park and for the events we hold
here.
MR. CAROLLO: I mean, let's make no
mistake about it, the location that it affects
most is Bayfront Park. I said that in the
commission meeting. Let's make no mistake about
it. Because as I said, there's not too many
venues that have four or $500 tickets and $1,000
or $1200 tickets.
MR. DUHARTE: So the target events were
basically the ones that we are holding here?
MR. CAROLLO: I'm not targeting any
events, but I'm just saying the facts.
MR. DUHARTE: I agree with Mr. Kurland
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when he said that the income is welcome. But it's
true that I agree, and I have said it through the
meetings, we have no input. Basically, things get
done without this board even discussing it.
MR. CAROLLO: So, well, you're discussing
it right now. And you know what, I welcome you to
help Nathan -- help Mr. Kurland come up with that
process.
MR. DUHARTE: Sir, the process is in
place, we just haven't been applying it.
MR. CAROLLO: What is that process? What
would you like to do? I have it here before you.
What would you like to do?
MR. DUHARTE: Simply discuss it before it
goes to the commission.
MR. CAROLLO: So what would you like to
do? We're discussing it now.
MR. DUHARTE: Basically, there's nothing
we can do now.
MR. CAROLLO: What do you want to do? Do
you want to defer this? Do you want me to defer
it to the city commission?
MR. DUHARTE: Yes.
MR. CAROLLO: Okay. So when do you want
to hear this again?
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MR. DUHARTE: Next meeting.
MR. CAROLLO: Okay, next meeting. The
next meeting will be after the commission meeting.
So do you want to have a meeting before the
commission meeting? You can hear it here. You
will have sufficient time to go through it.
There's not much information that really
needs to be had because it's quite simple, but
that's okay. So we'll have a meeting of the
Bayfront Park prior to the commission meeting in
November, and then we'll have the commission
meeting; is that what you'd like?
MR. DUHARTE: What are you saying? We're
having a meeting tomorrow? The commission meeting
is Thursday.
MR. CAROLLO: I understand that. I will
defer it. I will defer it at that meeting at the
commission level. Then the next commission
meeting in November is before the next meeting of
Bayfront Park. What I'm saying is we'll have a
meeting in early November --
MR. DUHARTE: I'd rather not. I'd rather
not.
MR. CAROLLO: What would you like to do?
Mr. Kurland.
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MR. KURLAND: This is disingenuous at
best. As I've said, you are a tireless advocate
for Bayfront Park.
MR. DUHARTE: True.
MR. KURLAND: I think most of us will
agree to that, Commissioner, what I object to, and
what I continue to object to -- and there's
another item coming up that I object to -- you are
literally just taking over and leaving us no -- I
mean, we sit here as a board almost powerless
because these decisions are being made without any
discussion by the board.
There is a process in place that is let's
discuss it before it goes to the city commission,
not when it's already been approved on first
reading. You can ask us what we would like to do,
but it's already been done.
MR. CAROLLO: Mr. Kurland, nothing is done
until the city commission votes on final reading.
Nothing's been done.
MR. KURLAND: You're asking me to
acknowledge the process by which we arrive at
these decisions, the discussion by every single
member of this board: Mr. Fernandez,
Mr. Cardenas, Ms. Hernandez, all of us have an
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opinion on how we feel about particular issues,
and yet none of us have had the opportunity prior
to today to give them. Just seems that's what
we're supposedly here for. Otherwise, let's not
have a board, let's just have a chairman.
MR. CAROLLO: We have a board to vote.
And the truth of the matter is, that's why I bring
it to the board, for us to discuss. I go a step
further, I'm saying, listen, what do you want to
do? What's the process? Do you want to defer
this so you can discuss it some more? We can. We
will defer it to discuss it some more.
I mean, if that's what you want, we'll
defer it to discuss it some more. I don't know
how much more discussion we need. So you're
saying the process is flawed, okay, so fix it,
let's remedy it. It hasn't passed on second
reading. Which, by the way, this is a City of
Miami issue, it's not just a Bayfront Park Trust
issue.
MR. KURLAND: It certainly affects
Bayfront Park and the producers. It would have
been nice to have had some input, some discussion
prior to it going to city commission.
MR. CAROLLO: I'm telling you on second
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reading, I will defer it so you can have all the
discussion that you want beginning today. That's
why it's on the agenda, so you can have all the
discussion you want, and all the members can have
all the discussions that they want. If you want
to take a vote, we will; if not, we won't. But
we're kicking the can down the road.
And in the meantime, I don't know, I
didn't see any proposals when our former executive
director said that we had a shortfall in our
revenue stream. You've had plenty of time since
he said that to come up with some proposals. I
haven't heard of any.
Mr. Duharte.
MR. DUHARTE: It's very nice that you came
up with it. We just wanted to discuss it before
it went to the commission.
MR. CAROLLO: Understood. You will be
able to discuss it all you want today, and you'll
be able to discuss it, we'll set another meeting,
all you want prior to it going to commission
meeting. Even though it's a citywide issue, I
will ask the city commission to defer it to the
November meeting. You can discuss all you want
now and discuss all you want at another Bayfront
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MR. DUHARTE: Commissioner, I would rather
not have no other meeting till the end of next
month.
MR. CAROLLO: Mr. Kurland.
MR. KURLAND: Rather than beat upon one of
the executive directors in the City of Miami,
simply in the process of trying to be transparent,
informed this trust that the boat dock income was
down $350,000. We appreciated being informed, and
yet we hadn't really had discussions regarding how
we were going to replace that money. We are not
criticizing the addition of higher ticket
surcharge.
Let's be very clear, Commissioner, what
we're having a problem with is the fact that the
process has been completely overlooked. We don't
have a process anymore. We were asked -- we were
told to approve a $2.2 million jungle gym. No
discussion. No RFP. No nothing. Approve it and
it's done. We didn't know it was happening, and
it's done. It's got to stop.
This is about everyone contributing to the
Bayfront Park Trust and the betterment of this
Trust and the betterment of everyone involved.
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That is not what is happening now. I'm not
opposed to an increase of surcharge.
MR. CAROLLO: So pass it.
MR. KURLAND: It's up to the board to pass
it. What we are trying to make note of is the
fact that process has become flawed.
MR. CAROLLO: Mr. Kurland, I -- you know
everyone keeps either forgetting or not saying
that since this board passed the funding, or at
least allowing the executive director to move
forward with the jungle gym, I have told you all
that there has been no purchase orders, that we
have not allocated the funding at all, and as a
matter of fact, in large part it was myself that
had to, you know, debate very hard against one of
my colleagues to be able to receive those
$2 million.
Those funds -- that money, even though
it's there, has not been allocated, we have not
done a purchase order, we have not moved forward.
As a matter of fact, I'll be honest with you, I
want to see if we can set up, and I told you all,
some type of committee. I discussed it with the
city attorneys, Did we do anything incorrect?
They said, No. What if we went through some type
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of RFP process? They said, Possibly.
Unfortunately, Hurricane Irma came by and
everything has taken us back.
So I think even though I have mentioned
that, and that's why I want all the minutes to be
verbatim, because all those details I have said
have, ironically have also been missing, I want
them to be there.
So again, you're saying that the process,
let's kick the can down the road. In the
meantime, in the meantime -- and by the way, I'm
not saying anything about former executive
director, but we listened to the tape, he didn't
say that dock income was low, he said that the
revenue stream, there was a shortfall in the
revenue stream.
We addressed that, too. If you notice
since our dockage income was low, we revisited
that contract, and we made a significant increase.
Something I think we should have done a long time
MR. KURLAND: Fair enough.
MR. CAROLLO: So with that said, it's up
to this board. What do you want to do? You want
additional time, we'll take additional time. But
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in the meantime, listen, that money is going to
come back to this Trust.
And yes, as you saw, I requested an
increase for all the employees. I requested that
we give them a retirement, except that instead of
six years not giving them anything whatsoever.
And yes, I'm sorry, but I was not okay with them
not having or this Trust not providing them
insurance, health insurance, for their families.
And I think that's how -- by the way, Mr. Kurland,
that's how, realistically, this will go to pay all
that, now and in the future.
MR. DUHARTE: Commissioner, like you said,
you have been here eight years, why didn't you do
something sooner?
MR. CAROLLO: I'll tell you whv.
MR. DUHARTE: Please.
MR. CAROLLO: I'll tell you why, because
from the board level you look at things a little
differently. Look to see analytics, how much were
-- how much are expenses from one year versus
another year and so forth.
When our former executive director moved
on and I became more active in the day-to-day
operations, I started asking some of those
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questions. It wasn't just oh, so health insurance
went up from this amount to this amount? No. It
was what type of health insurance do you all have?
What do you mean you don't have health insurance
for your families? What do you mean you don't
have health insurance for your loved one or your
child, that can't be.
I started getting more and more into the
day-to-day operations. That's how that all came
about. And there were significant flaws, at least
in my opinion, that I brought to this board.
Again, with the surcharge, what do you
want to do? I'm ready to move forward. By the
way, this is just a recommendation to the city
commission.
MR. KURLAND: Right.
MR. CAROLLO: By you passing this or not
passing this, it really is just a recommendation.
If you think that we should increase the surcharge
or not.
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: Mr. Chairman, that was
actually the legislative point I wanted to make.
This is an ordinance amendment. And much the same
way other boards give information and a
recommendation to the commission one way or the
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other about matters that concern, piece out
comprehensive plan, code enforcement, that would
be this that kind of input the board would make
today or on some other occasions as decided by the
board.
MR. CAROLLO: So I will take a motion
either in favor of this. I will take a motion to
defer this. What does this board want to do? I
am telling you I am very adamant that we should
pass this because this set the stage and the
structure for the future of this Trust, whether
any of us will be here or not. And assures in a
time of uncertainty for employees that they don't
have to worry about the future with their
salaries, retirement, or health benefits.
Okay. Is there any motion?
MR. CARDENAS: Motion to approve Miami
take a surcharge.
MR. CAROLLO: There's a motion by
Mr. Cardenas. Is there a second?
MR. FERNANDEZ: I'll second.
MR. CAROLLO: There's a second by
Mr. Fernandez. Is there anymore discussion?
Dr. Louissaint? Mr. Duharte?
Mr. Kurland.
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MR. KURLAND: Once again, I am not
opposing the surcharge. I think there's silence
because everyone is in an uncomfortable position
right now. It would be like voting against the
health of the park and voting against additional
income for the park to say no to the surcharge.
So once again, for the record, the process that
gets us to a decision should be made by this
Trust, not just by the chair of the Trust.
MR. CAROLLO: Okay. And I have said
beforehand, what is that process? Do you want to
defer it? Do you want to defer it? You know
what, let's not take a vote. Let's defer it.
Then you'll have plenty of time --
MR. KURLAND: There is a motion on the
table, there is a motion and a second, from what I
understand. We're going to vote one way or
another.
MR. CALLEJA: Can I make an alternative
motion? Can we direct the executive director to
do a study that should have been done and see what
other cities charge, talk to all of our promoters
to see how they feel, and come back at the next
regularly scheduled board meeting so we take it
up.
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MR. DUHARTE: I would second that motion.
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: But there's a pending
motion.
MR. KURLAND: You have to withdraw your
motion if there's an alternative motion.
MR. FERNANDEZ: May I make a comment?
MR. CAROLLO: Sure, Mr. Fernandez.
MR. FERNANDEZ: This is a recommendation.
MR. CAROLLO: Yes.
MR. FERNANDEZ: So potentially this has to
go back to citywide?
MR. CAROLLO: City commission. To the
city commission.
MR. FERNANDEZ: So based on what we would
do, the additional study, which I understand that
would give us additional information, but if we
felt that at some point going forward that this
could be higher or -- I'm saying this because of
the sake of time.
Maybe at some point in the future, if
we're allowed legally to have some pricing that's
different, then maybe that can be reviewed after
some additional research. But it sounds like,
based on the time frame, then whatever it is we're
going to do based on what Duharte had mentioned
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before, we would have to have another meeting in
November to review that information, sounds like.
MR. CAROLLO: Yes. And I'll be honest
with you, whether -- let's say another venue,
let's say, in Chicago charges more or charges
less, is that really going to make a difference?
I mean, Mr. Kurland is saying he's okay
with it. He wants the process. He wants to take
more time. But realistically, is it going to make
a difference? So think about what we're asking
because everything we ask for also takes money.
It takes time.
For instance, we want all our minutes to
be verbatim. That's going to cost more money. So
everything we do takes time and money. So again,
it's whatever information we get maybe from
Chicago or maybe another area really going to make
a difference? Maybe it does, I'm not sure. I
mean, that's why I'm asking the question.
Mr. Duharte.
MR. DUHARTE: It will probably not make a
difference.
MR. CAROLLO: That's my point.
MR. DUHARTE: I'm going to be honest, I
really would have wished we could have discussed
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it with Rolling Loud and Ultra and hear how they
feel about it and if they have any suggestions.
MR. CAROLLO: They're here.
MR. DUHARTE: It's not going to change
what my opinion is, and I am for the increase, but
I honestly would have loved to hear from them
because they are partners with us. That's the way
I see it.
MR. CAROLLO: Mr. Duharte, but they're
here to state their opinion. They're here. Not
to mention, not to mention, the residents are also
here and their representation is here. We can
hear from them. That's what meetings are for.
That's exactly what this is for. That's exactly
why I put it in the agenda. We can listen to
them.
Mr. Fernandez.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Could we take a few
minutes and do that?
MR. CAROLLO: Absolutely.
Can the representatives from Ultra give
their opinion?
MR. REIDI: Commissioner, Claude Riedi and
Dexter Lehtinen. We have been selling tickets for
the 2018 event since last May without surcharge,
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and it creates dilemma for us. How are we going
to collect a surcharge on tickets already been
sold? A surcharge is, by definition, a charge on
top of a charge. So it's physically impossible
for us to go back on the contracts we have entered
with our patrons already and demand more money.
It should not apply to events that have already
sold tickets. You would create an incredible
quagmire for us.
MR. CAROLLO: Understood. Is that the
only issue you have?
MR. RIEDI: That is our main issue. There
were remarks made that there is lack of analysis
here, how many tickets are affected, how much will
revenue be -- 10,000, 100,000, or 1 million? We
don't know.
But our main concern today is that this --
the way the legislation is drafted right now, it
would affect our existing contracts, and it would
put in a difficult and untenable situation. We
cannot collect on the tickets we have already
sold.
MR. CAROLLO: Understood. So my question
to you is, if we make an amendment to the
legislation that stipulates something to the
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effect -- and I'll yield to our city attorney --
something to the effect that from the date that it
passes on, any tickets sold, then it will apply.
So all the tickets that you sold prior to that,
you do not have to apply it to. Obviously, we
would have to take account of the tickets sold
from whatever point forward.
MR. REIDI: Well, that creates a
complication for us. We have to change all our
advertising, we'd have to change our pricing, we'd
have to change our pricing tiers possibly. I
would request that you make it not applicable to
events which have already sold tickets.
I think we have already sold over
60 percent of our tickets. And long before this
has been introduced this has been going on. We
still ask you to do an analysis of how much money
this will really generate.
This has to be tied to some sort of
benefit to the park, and we don't know the exact
amounts. But at the very least, we should have an
exception carved out for events that have already
sold tickets.
MR. CAROLLO: Understood. Thank you for
your comment.
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If I may two point, first of all, the
analysis of how much it would make, I think -- and
that was part of my question -- I don't think it
really makes a difference whether it's 100,000 or
10,000 or 200,000. I have put language here, and
by the code, there is language here that whatever
the ticket surcharge makes, it's maintained within
the facility. That makes it -- that's actually an
opinion by the attorney general.
And I don't know if it's in your pack, but
it's definitely in the pack of the city
commission. So the money's made, whether it's
100,000 or 10,000, or whether it's 300,000, it
will maintain here at Bayfront Park Trust.
With regards to the tickets this year,
listen, I don't mind doing some type of amendment
to the legislation so that the tickets that you
have sold would not apply. But again, unlike what
most people say, I'm just one vote, but I'm
amicable to something like that.
Mr. Calleja.
MR. CALLEJA: Mr. Commissioner, doesn't
that sort of prove the point that if we were to
pass it, if the commission passed it, they would
have obviously objected and gone after us.
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MR. CAROLLO: Mr. Calleja, they would not
have gone after us. What they don't tell you --
and I've read these contracts pretty well, what
they don't tell you, in your contract it
stipulates that if we adjust these rates, they
have to abide by it. That's the part that they
didn't tell you. I'm being here diplomatic and
friendly to everyone.
Mr. Fernandez?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Can we hear from others?
MR. CAROLLO: Sure. Who else would you
like to hear from?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Anyone.
MR. CALLEJA: Live Nation?
MR. DELAHIGUERA: We don't have a comment.
MR. CAROLLO: Residents? Rolling Loud?
MS. HIGGINS: We would be for higher
surcharges for tickets that are past a certain
amount in price.
MR. CAROLLO: Tim -- Mr. Gomez.
MR. GOMEZ: On behalf of Rolling Loud, we
did a little bit of back -of -the -napkin accounting
for what it would have meant for the show this
past year, and the surcharge, we spent
approximately 240,000 to the park.
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If it were the same size show or a Ultra
size show next year, we anticipated the affect on
the surcharges would be about $960,000 when you
take into account your lower level tickets and
your VIP tickets. The lower level tickets
incrementally, we understand. On the VIP end,
it's a 600 percent increase on the surcharge.
If that's the market, if that's how it's
done. You know, could we live with it, probably.
Would it affect our ticket sales, I guess we'll
find out when and if we have a show here.
But we would have liked to be at the
table. We would like to talk to folks about it.
Could there have been an incremental adjustment,
first year this, second year this, a sliding
scale, those are things, you know, we're happy to
have a conversation.
MR. CAROLLO: Absolutely.
MR. GOMEZ: We love this park. We love
the employees. We're happy to be here, and we're
happy you want to take care of them.
MR. CAROLLO: Thank you, Mr. Gomez. And
by the way, if you're saying it's that big of an
increase, maybe that's because the surcharge is
very low for those $1,000 tickets, $1,200 tickets,
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and that's my point.
Listen, just to conclude, and then we'll
see exactly what you want to do. I don't know how
many of you have gone to Ticketmaster lately or
buy $100 ticket and how much surcharge and how
much fees you pay. Highest surcharge that we're
asking for a $1,200 and $1,500 ticket -- I don't
know how many of you go out and purchase $1200
tickets, but the surcharge is $12. And if you're
buying $1500 ticket or $1200 ticket, I have to
really believe that for an additional $12, you're
not going to say no, no, no, we can't do this.
You have already heard from Ultra. It
seems like they're okay with it. Their main issue
is for the current year. We can make an
adjustment there if you so choose. Seems like
Rolling Loud will be okay. And it seems like the
residents are okay.
You know, again, we could postpone this
and defer this or take a vote today. By the way,
you're welcome to come to city commission meeting
and also state if you're in favor or not. You
have another bite at the apple. Just remember, it
is a citywide issue. And personally, I think it's
a no-brainer. So we don't have any real
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opposition.
MR. SPEAKER 1: Mr. Chair, if I may, just
to a make a legal point very briefly, normally
legislation is effective prospectively, not
retroactively unless it says so. But if it's the
will of the board, you could consider adding to
the legislation something to the effect of this
amendment shall not apply to an event selling
tickets on the effective date of this amendment or
something of that nature.
MR. RIEDI: We would be satisfied with
that.
MR. CAROLLO:
something like that.
I would be okay with
MS. FENTON: I think there are tickets for
events for next year for sale, maybe not in the
1200 or 1500 range, but I think tickets already
sold should not apply, but it's not excuse for
people to post events and sell one ticket and
prevent surcharges for the future.
MR. CAROLLO: Understood.
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: Again, it's up to the
commission, but my intent was to make it as
concise as possible saying it would not apply to
an event selling tickets to event an on the
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effective date of that amendment. So presumably
an event is selling tickets for one year, it's not
selling tickets yet for something in the future.
So it's something for the future. Again, that's
the intent.
MR. CAROLLO: We have heard from
everybody. Do you still feel we need to postpone?
MR. KURLAND: I never asked for
postponement.
MR. CAROLLO:
vote on it?
MR. KURLAND:
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please?
Would you like to take a
I'm ready to vote with the
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MR. CAROLLO: Yeah. The motion is to
pass -- well, to recommend to the board that we
should increase the ticket surcharge.
MR. RIEDI: Clarification, with the
addendum that city attorney suggested.
MR. CAROLLO: Let me hear from the board,
do you want to make the recommendation with that
addendum?
MS. LOUISSAINT: Yes.
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MR. KURLAND: Yes.
MR. FERNANDEZ: Yes.
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: Do you accept that,
then? Do you accept that, Mr. Fernandez?
MR. FERNANDEZ: Yes.
MR. CAROLLO: Mr. Calleja.
MR. CALLEJA: There's two motions. I made
mine. I'm willing to withdraw my motion which was
seconded by Ralph Duharte.
MR. CAROLLO: We have a motion on the
floor made by Mr. Cardenas and a second made by
Mr. Fernandez, it is to approve or -- approve the
recommendation to the city commission to pass an
amendment for the ticket surcharge with the change
regarding the current event, and I will yield to
Mr. Suarez -Rivas.
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: Again, the amendment is
something that this ordinance amendment, this
section, would not apply to an event which is
selling tickets on the effective date of this
amendment. So if a promoter is selling tickets
now, the effective date is, you know, after the
commission passes it on second reading then it's
exempt.
MR. CAROLLO: Should it pass?
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MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: Yes, you are correct.
MR. SPEAKER 2: That means no tickets for
next year are subject to the surcharge the way he
just stated it?
MR. CAROLLO: Yeah. This year's event,
March 2016.
MR. SPEAKER 2: No surcharge on any
tickets?
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: No current --
MR. SPEAKER 2: The way he read it, he
said it would not apply to events currently
selling tickets.
MR. CAROLLO: Right. The additional
amount.
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: The additional amount,
this amendment.
MR. CAROLLO: Even though I will say it
says in their contract that they would abide by
the judgments.
MR. SPEAKER 1: Mr. Chairman?
MR. CAROLLO: Yes.
MR. SPEAKER 1: Just to be clear, the way
Mr. Suarez -Rivas explained the amendment, every
single event taking place at Bayfront Park from
now until the next event after they start selling
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tickets, so every event selling one ticket today,
not just Rolling Loud, that's what the language
said it would do.
I thought the intent was that those
tickets that were already sold wouldn't be
surcharged, but the tickets that were sold after
the amendment -- after the ordinance was passed,
would be subject to a different set of rules. But
to be clear, that's how broad the amendment --
MR. CAROLLO: There's one correction,
there's currently a surcharge by City of Miami
ordinance. What we're requesting is an amendment
an adjustment, to that ordinance so that the
higher price tickets, would have a higher
surcharge.
What Mr. Suarez -Rivas is trying to do, and
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MR. SPEAKER 1: And that would apply to
every single event taking place?
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event, if you're having a February event, or a
March event, and you're already selling tickets,
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then what this Trust I'm hearing, and what
Mr. Suarez -Rivas, I think, has stipulated, is that
this additional surcharge would not apply to those
tickets.
MR. SPEAKER 2: So as a practical matter,
the additional surcharge will not apply to any
event in the City of Miami for, basically, a year.
That's what it amounts to. People selling tickets
to events right now across the board, not just
Ultra, not just Rolling Loud. That would be the
effect of the amendment?
MR. CAROLLO: That would be the
recommendation of Bayfront Park Management Trust,
and we'll take it up at the city commission.
MR. SPEAKER 2: I wanted to make sure
there was clarity what the amendment would be.
MR. CAROLLO: If they have an event and
they haven't begun selling tickets, they're having
an event in January or an even in February, yes,
the higher amounts would apply.
MR. SPEAKER 2: I'm sure everyone will
start selling tickets once Mr. Smiley writes --
MR. CAROLLO: If those events haven't
already been books.
MR. RIEDI: How about make it effective
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the first reading. In other words, events that
started selling tickets as of the first reading.
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: We could change that
concept to say on the effective date of the
amendment. We could say on the first reading of
the section, which is whenever -- I don't have the
date offhand.
MR. RIEDI: November 12th -- October 12th
was the first reading.
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: So we could say --
thank you for that -- we could say this amendment
will not apply to events that were selling tickets
on October 12th, 2017. And then just want to
say --
MR. RIEDI: On or before.
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: Yes. On or before.
MR. CAROLLO: Mr. Cardenas.
MR. CARDENAS: Assuming this passes on
second reading.
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: Yes. This is
contingent on the commission passing.
MR. FERNANDEZ: I would assume they would
accept our recommendation?
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: That would be up to the
city commission.
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MR. CAROLLO: Do we have clarity? Any
further discussion?
All in favor say aye.
BOARD MEMBERS: Aye.
MR. CAROLLO: Anyone in opposition has a
right to say no.
Motion carries unanimously as amended.
I'm sorry. There's more people that are
here that haven't -- for the record, I heard that
David Smiley is here. I haven't seen him. So we
have David Smiley here, for the record. Who else
is here? Can we -- just for the record.
MR. LARSON: Scott Larson.
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for the record?
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MR. CAROLLO: Sir.
MR. ROSENBLUM: Mark Rosenblum, Perez Art
Museum Miami.
MR. CAROLLO: Anybody else? No?
Thank you, members. Good, healthy
discussion. If we could move on now to review
approval of upcoming events.
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Mr. Gell.
MR. GELL: In your board packet is a memo
outlining three events we intend to do a lease
agreement or a permit. The first one is an
contemporary art installation at Museum Park.
It's an artist interpretation of art performance,
and it's an installation of a water pump, single
water pump that will take water from the bay and
put it through its pump and shoot it out the other
side. And that has DERM approval. That should
take place November 8th through November 12th.
It's a two-hour art installation per day for five
days.
Second one is Red Bull is filming --
they're filming at Museum Park skydivers. Pretty
much a media -driven event. Takes place at night.
I think some formation or constellation.
Third one for review is December 12th
through the 18th, projection mapping. That is an
advertisement -based event that's going to map an
advertisement for, I think, MCS Cruises on to the
Hotel Intercontinental. We have done that a
couple years ago.
MR. CAROLLO: Okay. By the way, I do want
to point out another event that recently reached
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out to us, the College Football Playoff
Championships. Mr. Gell provided a letter that
tentatively will hold sections of Bayfront Park
and Museum Park from January 7th through 13th,
2021. Again, tentatively. I would like to add
that here to make sure we have board approval
since it's tentatively done.
With that said, Mr. Kurland.
MR. KURLAND: Can you give us an idea what
might be involved with that?
MR. CAROLLO: Fan experience. I imagine
similar to what we did for the All Star Game, what
we did for Casa Clasico and so forth. It's for
the College Football Playoff Championships.
Again, it's way in advance. It's in 2021. You
can have more discussions if you want.
MR. KURLAND: Oh, 2021.
MR. CAROLLO: Like I told you, Bayfront
Park is not that little, you know, park no one
knows about. Any time major events wants to come
here, they have to apply. Bayfront Park is
included. I think it's a testament to the work we
have done over the last few years.
So I want to make sure that's added here
for review for board approval in the next. Again,
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you have plenty of time in the process. It's in
2021.
Is there a motion to approve events?
MR. DUHARTE: So moved.
MR. CAROLLO: Motion by Mr. Duharte. Is
there a second?
MR. KURLAND: Second.
MR. CAROLLO: Second by Mr. Kurland. Is
there any discussion? Hearing no discussion, all
in favor say aye.
BOARD MEMBERS: Aye.
MR. CAROLLO: Anyone in opposition has the
same right to say no. Motion carries unanimously.
Thank you, Trust members.
We will move on now to the third general
agenda item. It's an item that I asked to be
placed on the agenda, and it deals with an item
that has been placed on the Omni CRA agenda.
Before I continue, if we can -- there's
two members here that haven't, for the record,
stated that they're here. I know we have
representation from Commissioner Russell's office.
MS. MAHONEY: Abigail Mahony with
Commissioner Russell's office.
MR. CAROLLO: Thank you for being here.
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And then we have representation here from the Omni
CRA.
MR. WALKER: Jason Walker, Omni CRA. I
indicated I was here with the sign -in sheet.
MR. CAROLLO: Thank you.
With that said, there's an item in the
Omni CRA agenda. In short, it's a request to
remove all current and future obligations with
respect to the Omni CRA monetary contributions for
capital improvements at Museum Park as contained
in the interlocal agreement; in other words, the
global agreement.
If you look at your package, the back of,
you will see towards the end, you have a letter or
a memorandum from the city attorney's office where
the question, issue, has been asked whether the
Omni CRA is required to provide funding for the
maintenance of Museum Park.
If you go to the next page in the
conclusion, the city attorney's office concluded:
The Omni CRA is required to make an annual
contribution of 2 million to the Museum Park
Capital Expenditure Fund payable through the year
2030 pursuant to both the interlocal agreement
dated December 31, 2007, and the redevelopment
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plan as amended upon substantial completion of the
park component of the property.
So I know a few meetings back we were back
and forth on a few thousands of dollars. Well,
this is tens of millions of dollars. And it is
placed on the Omni CRA agenda. And I am hoping
that this board does become active, and if we
spent an hour or two discussing tens of thousands
of dollars -- actually, it was less than that --
but tentatively millions of dollars, we would take
a stand, and again make a recommendation that the
Omni CRA board does not pass.
Is there a motion?
MR. DUHARTE: So moved.
MR. CAROLLO: Motion by Mr. Duharte. Is
there a second?
MS. HERNANDEZ: Second.
MR. CAROLLO: Second by Ms. Hernandez.
Any further discussion?
MR. KURLAND: Not just to hear the sound
of my voice, not being an attorney in a room full
of attorneys, I believe that the agreement here,
the interglobal agreement, is a legal document.
And it suddenly seems, as if by whim, CRA is
trying to change a legal document that clearly
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states that for the maintenance of --
MR. WALKER: If I may?
MR. CAROLLO: Can the board member speak?
Mr. Kurland.
MR. KURLAND: For the maintenance of
Museum Park. I wasn't talking about what you wish
to do with the money, I'm just saying that's how I
was reading it as a non attorney. I believe that
this was an agreement that Omni CRA would be
giving $2 million a year for the maintenance of
Museum Park. We have as part of the budget $1
million a year for the upkeep of Museum Park. I
believe it's a legal document. We have the
opinion of the city attorney saying it's a legal
document. And this would not be any kind of
recommendation that I would make.
MR. CAROLLO: Like I have said numerous
times, that's why I want full minutes so that we
have verbatim what has been said in the past. By
the way, by the way, in the Omni CRA agenda, in
one of the whereas clauses, in the seventh whereas
clause it stipulates: Whereas, pursuant to
Resolution CRA R17-0044 adopted July 27th, 2017,
the board of commissioners of the Omni CRA
authorized -- here's where I disagree.
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It says: A final contribution towards
capital improvements for the Museum Park in the
amount of $2 million -- and it goes on. I don't
think it was a final, but it was a contribution.
As you know, I happen to lead this fight
for these $2 million. But like I said, that's
2 million per year for, seems like, at least 15
years or so, so another 28 million or so. Bottom
line is, listen, I will tell you, I don't even
mind negotiating, but there's no way that I think
we -- and I'll be honest with you, the residents
should agree to a signed contract or amending or
totally disregarding a signed contract, a signed
agreement in the tunes of tens of millions of
dollars to Museum Park.
So I ask that my Trust members that you
join me in this, let's say, debate, but I'm not in
favor of totally disregarding the millions of
dollars. I ask you that we, you know, send a
clear message, hopefully unanimous, recommendation
to the Omni CRA that that is not approved. Okay.
You want to speak?
MR. WALKER: I apologize. I don't know
what happened to me, but it doesn't matter.
MR. DUHARTE: It's $28,000,000.33 it
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doesn't matter well it does matter.
MR. CAROLLO: It matters to the board and
to the residents.
MR. WALKER: You said it, Mr. Chairman and
you said it, it's not maintenance for the park.
MR. CAROLLO: Right.
MR. WALKER: If you want to do it as
maintenance, then it would be legal. I was just
correcting capital improvements.
MR. KURLAND: Capital improvement.
MR. CAROLLO: With that, anymore
discussion? Can we take a vote? All those in
favor say aye.
BOARD MEMBERS: Aye.
MR. CAROLLO: Anyone in opposition has the
same right to say no.
Motion carries unanimously. Thank you.
We will now continue with information
items. And by the way, I placed this on the
agenda because I receive from the DNA board,
Downtown Neighborhoods Alliance, their
recommendations for any negotiations that we would
do, let's say, with some of the events that we
have, let's say Ultra and some of the other ones.
I chose, and I asked to place it on the agenda,
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for you to have knowledge of it, for you to digest
it so you have plenty of time to process and have
plenty of process time before any discussions
would happen. Okay? I am not necessarily -- I'm
not enticing anyone to have discussions now, but I
am in the future.
As you know the last of the five-year
contract with Ultra ends in March of 2018. I
thought we would have some type of discussion
where at least we will be in some type of
communication where I could bring something to
this board, that has not happened. And most
likely it will happen sometime after I leave as
chairman. So Mr. Gell knows a lot of the emphasis
I have made in a lot of different sections where
we should be receiving more money.
As a matter of fact, I thank this Trust
for passing the recommendation for the ticket
surcharge because, believe it or not,
approximately half of the money we receive from
Ultra is from ticket surcharge. So with that
said, you have plenty of time for the process. I
may not even be here for the whole, but...
Mr. Duharte.
MR. DUHARTE: Commissioner, as I
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understand, the biggest issue with Ultra,
basically, their contract I don't think is going
to change much.
MR. CAROLLO: I wouldn't say that. I
wouldn't say that yet.
MR. DUHARTE: But the biggest issue was
the money issue. And basically, we haven't done
the numbers, we don't know exactly how much extra
are we going to be making. Because I tried
talking to the executive director and tried to get
some numbers together, and the numbers were not
there, we were not able to. So obviously, there's
an increase already. Maybe we can just work at
this. You got a couple weeks left, maybe you can
get that done before you go.
MR. CAROLLO: I --
MR. DUHARTE: Money was the biggest issue
as I see it, no? Make it happen.
MR. CAROLLO: I think from a timing point
of view, we may not be able to make it.
MR. DUHARTE: I think it's in everyone's
best interest to have them as a partner and secure
that event happening.
MR. CAROLLO: So Mr. Duharte, let's talk
about this. And I do consider partnerships you,
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know, but the partnerships need to have fairness
between both partners.
MR. DUHARTE: True.
MR. CAROLLO: Listen, we have come a long
ways with Ultra. And in all fairness, they have
done a lot of adjustments over the years. But as
they have grown, the revenue streams to the park
should have grown also. And at the same time,
there are issues that the residents have that we
need to see if there are ways to remedy or if
there are ways that, you know, we can lock them
together and come to consensus. That has not
happened. And therefore, I have not brought
anything to this board.
However, I did bring the one thing that I
have, the document that was sent to me, I think
two or three days before we were going to send out
the agenda. That's why I wanted to place it here
for you all to see it. I want to tell you, I was
very frank with Ms. Palomo. Even though we didn't
get into much detail, I want to put it for the
board members to see it, but there are flaws. I
didn't get into details. I don't want to get into
details, but there are flaws.
The way it sits right now -- look, I know
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the staff at Bayfront Park is busy doing research
on this and stuff like that, but the way the
document is right now, we couldn't have two of the
events that just occurred that I think were great
success, one was the Susan Koman run and then the
other one was the Ironman, that was also great
success.
So they need some work. They need some
work. But I still want all of you to have it so
that you have time to process, you have time to
discuss when we come back to the next board
meeting or the one after that or the one after
that. You can call me. I have been told by
various people I will be on speed dial. You can
have those discussions.
Mr. Kurland.
MR. KURLAND: Now that we know process has
become your favorite word.
MR. CAROLLO: Of course.
MR. KURLAND: I will ask for deferral of
the position paper from the DNA. I like a little
foreplay before going steady.
MR. CAROLLO: We're not taking any vote.
MR. KURLAND: No. I know.
MR. CAROLLO: It's just for you and
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everybody to see what they're asking for. It's
purely information. That's why on an information
item we're not taking a vote. We're not saying
yes or no.
MS. PALOMO: If I may?
MR. CAROLLO: Briefly.
MS. PALOMO: We want to open a discussion,
and there is no intention of dissecting the points
at this meeting. What I propose is having a
Sunshine Meeting to take place in the near future
between Bayfront Park Trust and DNA and whatever
producers of events you see fit.
The position paper is not singling out
Ultra or Rolling Loud. It's events in general.
This is about an increase in park revenue that we
think possibly could get accomplished this year,
contrary to what you think. It's about having
access to the park and the playground and getting
rid of the most disruptive elements of events. I
think we can do this by working a little more
collaborative with each other.
The street closures, the sound and light
checks, you know, the amplified noise. These are
things that have gone beyond limits. They happen
at all hours of the nights, on weeknights, and we
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need to set limits for the residents to make these
events bearable.
I also want to point out, as many of you
have been to these meetings know, over 1,000
residents signed a petition started by us to end
mega events, period. We have brought this
position paper to you to bring more of a centrist
position on this issue. So it's reasonable, and I
think even residents who enjoy going to Ultra and
any other event, are going to be in agreement with
a lot of the points mentioned here, so any --
MR. CAROLLO: Any questions for
Ms. Palomo?
MR. CARDENAS: Have a majority of the
producers you may or may not been referring to
been given these position papers?
MS. PALOMO: I have it available for
anyone who would like to take a look. But no, we
have not engaged in any direct conversation with
promoters of events.
MR. CAROLLO: Our agenda is public record.
They have it there. That's why I did this. So if
everybody or anybody wants to see it, will have
access to it.
Mr. Duharte.
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MR. DUHARTE: I thank you for presenting
this to us, and we will look through it, but I'm
going to tell you the next time you bring a
petition where over 50 percent of the people who
signed the petition lived in Canada and somewhere
else, better get citizens from --
MS. PALOMO: I'll give you a list of
those.
MR. DUHARTE: I have it.
MR. CAROLLO: Thank you, Mr. Duharte. I
want to make sure we're respectful to everybody,
all of our guests.
REV. MARTINEZ: Can I request to speak now
since I have to pick up my granddaughter?
MR. CAROLLO: I understand. Go ahead,
sir.
REV. MARTINEZ: Can I speak from there? I
don't want to put my back to these fine people.
MR. CAROLLO: Yes, sir. Two minutes.
REV. MARTINEZ: As I see we have ten to 13
events planned for the rest of the year, am I
correct about that? I want to read you part of
the letter. I first wrote to Mayor Tomas Regalado
two months ago, then I wrote to David Smiley who
published the article.
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MR. CAROLLO: He's here.
REV. MARTINEZ: There you go.
This is my letter: Thank you for your
recent article concerning Bayfront Park. The
petition moved to Ultra and other events. As a
resident of downtown Miami for the past ten years
living right across from Bayfront Park. I live at
50 Biscayne. My wife is the president of the
board.
I am very appreciative of the coverage. I
am very concerned with the continued events being
hosted by Bayfront Park. I believe it is being
overused and how it is affecting residents,
visitors, and the environment impact of Bayfront
Park. Quality of life, additional traffic, noise
24 -hours a day during set-up, taking down the
events, and additional crime.
Two, the park is closed to residents and
visitors before and after the events. For example
Ultra, is a weekend event, but in reality, it's a
month event, setting up and taking down.
Environmental damage to the Bayfront Park for
weeks the park goes without watering, trimming,
fertilizing, and pruning. Bayfront Park, I
believe, may be doing damage -- and I use a hard
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word. I don't know if I should use it before
everybody here now -- for not caring of the
continued impact of the community and the
environment.
So this is my concern: As a resident, I
have been here for ten years. I'm all in favor of
making money. I'm glad over the last eight years
commissioner, the park is making money, but we
must balance that with quality of life with all
those who live here.
MR. CAROLLO: I agree.
REV. MARTINEZ: How many of you live in
33132 ZIP code? We're the ones feeling the impact
of what's going on.
MR. CAROLLO:
REV. MARTINEZ:
appreciate it.
It's understood.
Thank you very much.
MS. PALOMO: If I can make a comment?
MR. CAROLLO: Ms. Palomo. Moving on. Go
ahead, briefly.
MS. PALOMO: In a public records search,
we have the Lollapalooza contract available that
they do at the Millennium Park in Chicago. And
there's a lot to learn from that contract, I
think, in terms setting limits for breakdown time
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and events. And there's a copy available. So
anybody who would like to receive a copy on the
board, I'll email it to you.
MR. CAROLLO: Thank you, Ms. Palomo.
Mr. Martinez.
MR. MARTINEZ: I'm the chief of security
for Ultra. The last four years we have gone out
of our way to try to outreach to the community,
also outreach to the Downtown Neighborhood
Alliance to try to have that dialogue with the
residents at one time. We have been very
concerned and want to make sure we're responsible
promoters. And we hear the residents and
businesses and what their concerns are and try to
mitigate as best as we can.
I'm open to sitting down with the DNA and
any other group who would like to talk about our
event and other events and how we can be better
partners with the city and Bayfront Park Trust and
the residents.
MR. CAROLLO: Excellent. Thank you,
Mr. Martinez. We had a few years back major
issues with public safety, and Ultra did come to
the commission and we set different standards, and
you have abided by those standards. And I have
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heard from many people that safety, the safety
issue, has definitely been addressed. Thank you
for that.
MR. SPEAKER 2: Just to reiterate, they're
asking for a Sunshine Meeting to be set up. It's
to take place in a public forum with a public
notice with the board. This is something
everybody participate in. Neighbors are invited
as well as promoters.
MR. CAROLLO: That could be made in the
future. That was already said by Ms. Palomo. I
know there's always an attorney who needs to put
the legal aspect, but Ms. Palomo already addressed
that.
With that said that, if we could now
continue at this time --
Mr. Barreto, real quick.
MR. BARETTO: Rodney Barreto on behalf of
the Super Bowl. We're scheduled to be in the park
in 2020. My biggest concern about the
neighborhood agenda was trying to limit major
events here I want to go on record to say that we
already have a contract. I think some really good
things were said here with Grant Park in Chicago
and the Boston Commons. I think the neighborhood
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and the board should get together. Those parks
are there, they've been there forever, the
neighborhood. In this case, the neighborhood grew
around the park, and I think there's got to be a
happy medium to put in place.
Remember, we're a world class city. We're
going to have major events every year. We just
had the All Star Baseball, we just had soccer, and
now we got Super Bowl, and we're going after more
Super Bowls. We're going to have major events
here, and I think we need to come together with
the neighborhood and figure out how to work in
harmony.
Now take that hat off. Put my Bayfront
Park. Believe it or not, I was one of the first
board members of the park. I did the grand
opening with Roy Orbison. Gave him his last
birthday cake.
A lot of policies you put in place are
policies I put in place to make money for this
park. Charge for the bear cage, charge for the
ticket booth, and generate revenues so we didn't
have to take money from the City of Miami. You
guys are doing a phenomenal job. You should be
congratulated.
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MR. CAROLLO: Thank you, Mr. Barreto.
Trying to build consensus again. I have
been on the record today, and many times when we
have these major events coming to South Florida,
coming to our city, Bayfront Park, you have to be
part of it. The all Star Game, the Super Bowl,
college championship football. Everyone knows,
downtown Miami Bayfront Park, we're it. That's
where I mention without getting into too much
detail, there are some flaws with the position
paper. And I mentioned two events that just took
place this month wouldn't have been able to take
place the way it's written right now. That's a
discussion for the future.
At least for the time that I'm here, take
into consideration Super Bowl and all these major
events, I think we have worked very hard the last
few years, New Year's Eve. You know, and there's
just no reason we can't build consensus.
With that said, I want to move on.
Mr. Gell, Museum Park.
MR. DELL: Thanks. At the last board
meeting, I mentioned that the City of Miami CIP
department was going to begin the restoration
project of the granite pathways. That, as of
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yesterday, has begun.
So it's being developed in three phases:
The first one is -- are the pathways that are on
Biscayne Boulevard between 8th and 9th Street.
That portion will take about two to three weeks.
MR. CAROLLO: If I may, that was paid by
City of Miami General Fund. I fought hard for
that. Close to $500,000 for us.
MR. GELL: Thank you, Commissioner.
Second phase is going to be on the upper
level. It's a small garden near that is near the
PAMM Museum. That is another couple of weeks.
The third phase is the west pathway that's
decomposed granite and has lots of potholes. The
materials weren't the best chosen, but that's
going to be restored as well.
So CIP tells me all that work should be
done in December. They're working with us to plan
their schedule.
The second update for Museum Park is the
east/west promenade that is at 11th Street from
the Science Museum all the way to Baywalk. That
is going up, supposedly, or purportedly, rather,
in February 2018, and completion date is the fall
of 2018, let's call it that. And that's my
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MR. CAROLLO: Thank you, Mr. Gell.
Real quick, I also want to mention we have
another association here. The president and his
lovely wife. For the record, can you state your
name and the association that you're with.
MR. ALTHABE: Oh, sorry. Biscayne
Neighborhood Association. My name Andres Althabe,
President.
MS. NELSON: Sue Nelson also on the board
of the Biscayne Neighborhood Association.
MR. CAROLLO: Thank you both for being
here.
MR. ALTHABE: Thank you.
MR. CAROLLO: We will continue. New
business?
Mr. Weinreb was here. He left?
MR. SUAREZ-RIVAS: He left.
MR. CAROLLO: Any new business? Next
board meeting is November 28, 2017. Thank you
all. I appreciate the healthy debate. This
meeting is adjourned.
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