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Item #41 - Resolution
• MIAMI CITY COMMISSION MIAMI,, FLORIDA IN THE MATTER OF: * * AGENDA ITEM 36 * * * * * * * * * * * TRANSCRIPT of excerpt of City Commission Meeting held on Thursday, April 20, 1972, at City Hall, Dinner Key, Miami, Florida, with the following City Commissioners present: MAYOR DAVID T. KENNEDY COMMISSIONER IRWIN G. CHRISTIE COMMISSIONER THEODORE R. GIBSON COMMISSIONER ROSE GORDON COMMISSIONER J. L. PLUMMER, JR. STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT: MELVIN REESE, CITY MANAGER ALAN H. ROTHSTEIN, CITY ATTORNEY J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER • Item 36. AREA BOUNDED BY N.E. 17 TERRACE ON NORTH, N. E. 15 STREET ON SOUTH BISCAYNE BOULEVARD PROPERTYNKNOWN/ASND N. 1720 E. BAYSHORE DRIVE ON EAST, LESS N. E. BAYSHORE DRIVE( KNOWN AS TRACT "A" OF "PLAZA VENETIA" and AREA BOUNDED ON NORTH BY THE WOMEN'S CLUB, ON WEST BY N. E. BAYSHORE DRIVE, ON SOUTH BY N. E. 16 STREET, AND ON EAST BY BISCAYNE BAY, ALL KNOWN AS TRACT "B" OF "PLAZA VENETIA" a. *Ordinance amending Ordinance No. 6871 (Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance) by CHANGING the ZONING CLASSIFI- CATION for above described - Tentative Plat #817 - "PLAZA VENETIA," from C-1 (Local Commercial) to C-3 (Central Commercial); and by making the neces- sary changes in zoning district map made a part of said Ordinance No. 6871 by reference and descrip- tion in Article III, Section 2, thereof; repealing all laws in conflict herewith; and providing for a severability clause herein. **Planning & Zoning Board meeting March 27 - Item #3 (a) Planning & Zoning Board by 5/4 vote recommended Change of Zoning Classification THREE OBJECTIONS Planning Department recommended - "Denial" Applicant - Florida East Coast Properties N. E. 16 AND N. E. 17 STREETS BETWEEN BISCAYNE BOULEVARD AND N. E. BAYSHORE DRIVE b. *Resolution CLOSING, VACATING, ABANDONING and DISCONTINUING for public use N. E. 16 and N. E. 17 Streets between Biscayne Boulevard and N. E. Bay - shore Drive, in accordance with Tentative Plat #817 - "PLAZA VENETIA," subject to meeting all the platting requirements of the City of Miami. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER r4 ;I3V ix&,- ibxn Potka*NA. oanso fno* . F AUD yd (40091Orthinot bod:t7cnhb gvOdS. 101 UOITA3 1-Rio l i. " t Alt$'R1 V AV,AA V f isloxl:mmt�.D ,L t neD) E-'} alb ryr�rsltt as rt�ifMe9pnv (o!� Tase 13 !d Q a so o n itt b.� O blot tune ,III slOttlA +► . nail 10ill or) ni tars;( I's 19torl 'smuaro '" 11Iid15 t.:pv►st ,tii h7noa tttn A .v Tlossitt** CO EA d b/roe psino2 A prams -Ali aes10 4?uiag2 to 9 astSO s . zoiI - Jtrr ,.gqA o=191 •.i ? fa zi Tar TIY.._. a GU&, al 4 % .', � slrlur� zol :M i1 f ITY,in'3aTQ _ 0C iue P, , 'will, fi siiS�i�'I ..,-rr--.-r--r .ram-s--- fl 3. **Planning & Zoning Board meeting March 27 - Item #3(b) Planning & Zoning Board by 5/4 vote recommended official closure THREE OBJECTIONS Planning Department recommended - "Approval subject to conditions set forth by the Plat and Street Committee." Applicant - Florida East Coast Properties AREA BOUNDED ON NORTH BY WOMEN'S CLUB, ON WEST BY N. E. BAYSHORE DRIVE, ON SOUTH BY N. E. 16 STREET, AND ON EAST BY BISCAYNE BAY, ALL KNOWN AS TRACT "B" OF "PLAZA VENETIA" c. *Resolution granting a "Conditional Use" as provided in Ordinance No. 6871, Article XV, Section 2(8) (d), to permit CONSTRUCTION of 810-UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING on Tentative Plat 1817 - "PLAZA VENETIA," location described above, site zoned C-1 (Local Com- mercial) proposed to be rezoned C-3 (General Commercial). **Planning & Zoning Board meeting March 27 - Item # 3 (d ) Planning & Zoning Board by 5/4 vote recommended "Conditional Use" THREE OBJECTIONS Planning Department recommended - "Denial" Applicant - Florida East Coast Properties. NOTE: *Title of resolution and/or ordinance **Summary explanation - not part of title . ©M enr itabi0 id iiitt1vh'9 tm=sq o2 , (ta) (t) stt�2 ►? KT OJI U8 'gaMTMM'{ /#11.0 8 4/1621 I V AgAIV t`S t} 14141 'nos s is3 , avods bedi/essb a/ ed o/ %saogexg /sidle (I slotsmo 7 ♦r11+w.. w.., woe.. -L}T h7508 Iya1103 4 fiiat:Ltq** (Mt' :saej t £xaoa gslt tea s Vaat nstq ' oItoni0 nifif!T ucfOosz fnsmiisge0 puinnss.E4 3 laS3 £E4X011 - wollsqA Inn -- a{ :ZT(Tyl nolivineel 20 sr/#,r* no;$fine.igls Yxaamu8** 3 n ►) A. J. INDEX OF SPEAKERS Jack Watson Tibor Hollo Joseph Amisano Joe Henry Walter Fries William Ruben Jose Currais Sam Duke Robert Bell Leonard Keller David Sokol Mr, Trembley Robert Miller Charles Giller Lucius Williams Steve Little George Acton George Reed Tibor Hollo Jack Watson P AG E 5 19 26 41 45 46 49 53 54 56 58 60 61 63 71 80 95 100 118 124 J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER V "1L. 're?: nedrt . *Ifittfx7) Marvin Roman Mr. Davenport • 138 143 J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER • WHEREUPON . • the following proceedings were had: MAYOR KENNEDY: Item Number 36. The applicant is Florida East Coast Properties, and the attorney is Mr. Jack Watson. MR. WATSON: Do we have to read the item in its entirety? MAYOR KENNEDY: No. MR. WATSON: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor, may it please the City Commission, my name is Jack Watson. My address is 505 Pan American Bank Building. I represent the applicant, Florida East Coast Properties, Inc. At the outset I would like to make some- thing clear to the Commission, and that is the fact that due to the objection of the Planning Director of the City of Miami and certain architects which were called in by Mr. Acton [phonetic] to review this project, we have cut this project to the economic bone. We have reduced the number of apartments from some 10,050 to 810. We have withdrawn all the requests for J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 02q_ 4A ins Sbheri l•i�: .amOstrt A3411. .TNi t iari7ort.::, : {^z?f . h. r'v1s' inn as i i .34 IA 1 Yell , ,0-17sri . /tg. —i• 1a?*: %rrsti 'J., fiA fi81'4 'iO $SCE f2�3 6�1:t'iczl "( zte'/O') 9tfl•SA elf./ s ±t. .a.. 1•0 nos10atdo !{ r)1 brin -rr3te 'o 3��t �tZh 21.41 1uP3 9Vj . iv4f *.bow ?,.r Avt . sW t, • all variances that we had initially, and so really, the only thing here before you of major consequence this afternoon is our application to change the property from C-1 to C-3. We are prepared, should the City of Miami so dliire to accept it, to place a covenant on record at the Public Records of Dade County, Florida, to run with the land in covenant with the City of Miami that we will develop this property substantially in accordance with the plans prepared by our architect, Mr. Joseph Amieano. Our presentation this afternoon will be substantially the same as it was before the City Planning Board when it approved the project. That hear- ing ran a little over four hours, and we are going to try to do the best we can to avoid any repetition; but an application such as this is a little bit different from the usual zoning application that comes before this Commission, not only because of the magnitude of the development, but also because of the tremendous outpour- ing of civic interest in this project. We have a great many business leaders of J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER £.tai.tiI.2 fail 1 *too to uoy do of tlo/Job:i a , b9xbgeYc#: sus 41, c ousJq o.i /' $g4b9s o$ 0%/azob c¢ nuoD ahstl 3O abxeos0 °lido/ oft/ In Jnonsimni bail ed i edua aids golsveb tti.w ,r oxs tuo yd be tsqoYq enAlq eri:r .c:a:a1W: 7 dH a iJoInes;sxq vQ '1 asw /1 es +Imes ;edj Xii4.t111s0e;?�,. 41 bevo/qqs /i r ege Easoff prti.nnr; i" biovs al ciao 9)t *s ►d 043 ob v-13 £ n el Hare as doss 4o11stalc qs rr, no ifint1gga patriot £suet 01 r:tr o. :i: :to 9autiatid yirto Koji ♦rich Zrag1+:t to'iq trf/ ni oelo ixtd . rtemgo►l. my lesxmlal : �Y1 pat _dam Jsgxp s 91v4e a�1 our community that wish to express themselves, and have done so in writing, which I will get to a little bit later. We have tried to limit the number of speakers. In trying to limit the number of speakers and get the message of the people to the City Commission a petition was prepared and circulated around through the City and through the County. We have had over 2,300 signatures from people living within the City of Miami and the surrounding area, as this project is really a community project. There will be people living outside of the City of Miami that would like to come to this project and use the facilities, reality. . should it become a The petition circulated read: "We, the undersigned, respectfully request the City Commission of the City of Miami to grant the pending zoning application of Florida East Coast Properties to permit the construction of Plaza Venetia. We believe that the development of Plaza Venetia is in the best overall general welfare of the City J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER �1tq 9 oJ'``' tit,/ S tn' its / I II '01 tott Deal of poIVII sigoa sit/ to Opabase egi isp bi'3 ivnli:+ boa bst a vi t e.Cao Fq Oft' b Irv) ak tit* 00j3/jf11 9r(i �►sNIC,c RA ,secs ?nthasd cztt* od, boa Irv*: .1n9tozq VI 'f J ''s ei_ t t i321 sita ss t,hes / etO 1 ' i3sg *1? ad , eP s. I supsx '*tM to • of Miami and urge your immediate approval. Respectfully." That petition was addressed to the Mayor and the City Commission of the City of Miami. Time would never permit me to read all the names on these petitions, which I am going to file, but I would like to take the liberty of running through a few because I would like them in the record, at least in the verbal part of the record. The first signature, Alvah Chapman, Miami Herald Publishing Company. Secondly, the Miami Building & Construction Trades Council and all affiliate construction crafts; D. Henry Kress. First National Holding Company; Kenneth W. Roth. Bauder Fashion Career College & Finishing School in the Dupont Plaza Center; Maria R. Kettle, President. Les Violins Restaurant; Mr. Jose Currais. New York Life Insurance Company. Bankers Standard Insurance Company. Hal W. Spaet. D, Richard Mead. Charles Giller, A.I.A. Samuel M. Kurtz, F.A.I.A. Maurice A. Ferre. Elliot Roosevelt. Alfred Browning Parker. E. F. Bauman. Skip Shepard. Maurice Horowitz. The Bank of Kendall, e. pr3 •1; i sew .apt/11 , iD 01 ao sota4 41110 y4i0 grf3 r (l q xsven bluow,t0T i1w . a.!7©13 sg : d no. SOMsn srr`!`_.$ adi L g,�i seta/ fl4 val bluow I medi gait!, ( uow i aw13sd ; odl lc,tz.sq isdiSv X JJd t 1 ai (t 4 F 11 . off'1 . .+•�ri gmoD t3nitia4Ldui b1610 ,mash voD aa. s1T noi1pul4e00 P•: x bi i rvj . cif ofit . W • t1SsnooR 07gq roO 100.1*a • aideinil s ►olloa z�►�:+ ri Lie . ig % 91J/(!' .: , 421AM ; x117T ) 'v 9 1 .:3.t 1-10D p?oL , iI#t 3us17 - a{ti lt.::=J . h£9t1 b21301 . G . 19 Gcr: istaq .M rninwri'; bolt: A .11av o l r: _. 3 .. - Y:.,TS1c343N �Tn+�r2•, 9 by Howard F. Dale, President. Sears Roebuck a Company. Florida as Company. Boulevard National Bank. Riverside Bank. Chelsie Senerchia. Miami National Bank. Central National Bank of Miami. Commonwealth Land Title Insurance Company. Bessemer Securities Corporation. Jordan Marsh. Biscayne Boulevard Associa- tion. E. Albert Pallott. Otis Elevator Company.. Ring's Department Stores, Inc. Belcher Oil Company. Jack Thomas, Incorporated. Harry M. Stevens III. These are but a very few of the 2,300 and some odd signatures which we have received, and at this time I would like to file with the Clerk of this Commission the signed petitions addressed to the Mayor and City Commission of the City of Miami. A number of these people also expressed such interest in the project that they allowed their names to be published in a separate petition which was addressed to the City of Miami, which read the same way, which appeared in both our local newspapers --the Miami Daily News lastnight, and again this morning in the Miami Herald --a copy of which I have here and I would like to file for the record. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER • swofl Y d sbilof . •hid ebiezevisr .yaegeb' "818itislWant 8111T brin11 osxd . rteY s�c`b r " ' `ltiiifo xor rt'o asap . f#aitt4 cbdl •`g i nol i . 7hI , atrrol tia e' p rn i ' v-caaft . be azogYtao°ills tw mort ` r) -sew s lad szs • errbAT sw rfoldw atiiirsrp#e bilo onion Six, tlw sill 0I 8$1,1b/ifttvI snit bs eno.lft19q barrple ` art3 NflY�tYC�cT^'�: to eelib okpa lftJ'J' v� i ? t<R, g s t e rf t 10 -9dxre d A 'ail/ oafotg 3 hl itt1)11)3r:1 :ws 15(1,5e s ni bsdalidtrq sad oe -_t'tw . ,F:sn 16 y4inD 94$ o$ born- iilf =a Ir 'o1 xu' rood al betseyge en 4.7 a gets ' Idple.. Vito rs�ri T rinllw 16 Ygoa e--blelon Fr^?$.!';+ . T'J709/ etit 'x01 `etli WaRHi A .A ■ • 1© We have some additional waivers of con- sent, which I also would like to file for the record. At the Planning Board I think we filed some thirty some odd letters from people that have written in and expressed their desire and hope that Plaza Venetia would become a reality. There are two or three of these letters that I do wish to acquaint you with. The letter is addressed to Mr. Tibor Hollo, President, Florida East Coast Properties. "Dear Ted: "We are very pleased that your plans for Plaza Venetia show such confidence in the future of Downtown Miami. It has been one of the'Chamber's aims for the pact three years to support strongly whatever Greater Miami could do to secure the interest of investors such as your- self in proposing large, well -planned developments to strengthen our core city. "The exciting things now 'happening in all sectors of the downtown area make J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER lbba eme4 od oiii 'biu oil pttlnnaX4.40 atoll. atal$6/ # I► as . �i o oa 9b Kiori1 if bnA ni tteld k L0' Use/ a emo led Y a!,+ fta: t~,salq. w of) I dbdl ° e zfl3 i; efidi 3o s..frxr� oxbba f Y9 1s1 OAT — Aso:) igs3 abi/od% :nsbt xg , of `e letsn1q ? 9V its OW, worm ei:tonaV'axal 'Xa3 kwc,:Iawn° to O atuj Ord '.al zadmadD sal to au nasd 7Igqur of a say aaldl *eaq 33 .gym aiN /siset0 Isvoiadw *IYota 3vni la $aelslal sdl SA 4� pailtogo/q ill 'ilea �112pr:s . a of ctla gajs,+rsb apti,if!� nri.dnxa otl" ;.noh sti.i to a o$ost its RA K Slit. 't .b • 6 • us feel that our future is not only secure, but considerably brighter than it was five years ago. "The two new buildings going up at Flagler and the Boulevard, the new down- town campus of Miami -Dade Junior College, the coming redevelopment of the Old Port site, and the steady progress toward a new Government/Convention Center down- town, are all evidence of a strong civic pride in Miami and a growing thrust toward greatness. "From our knowledge of core city redevelopments taking place in other cities, we believe the Plaza Venetia concept is not only sound financially, but is of a scope that permits inclusion of many qualities and amenities that are often omitted in lesser plans. By its very size, it produces much in quality and pleasure that could not be obtained otherwise. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER tittutt ::,moo <; ' YidaxbteatP- . ops a xai?� bli tbIivd. 1t*UEOM* 4. avaXtafa sd3, ,b0n.,11090l sf zttsi! io eu o;; (ZWet olq yhso, 9rf# Lt1,s le$1a Ilin9vl:oT ttpinalair.00 Mats s P s bn $ tutttal ab.tzq vpfyetiwosrl Imo n[px '° ice aa3�ia? $wwtgolovebal car m41 vs.ilsd aN ,s /k* :ninon Yino Oct: ni t9 tt04 41 2 Fd1 fg0aa s 410 84 $nd 3As EA4 e(114. 101) Wu4n 3:v 1t 511s 1., ep atilt° 4!a!4bo7.1 to Y Ov :41 Ue 74 1 ounbolq, brie • "Miami has shown- that it can *think big' in public developments. How many cities can boast of a doWntown public green space of the size that Park will nox become? Or of blocks for a downtown Junior Bayfront several College? Or of a multi -block Government/Conven- tion Center? "What Miami must do now --as we see it --is to welcome bigness developments to match the parks and public places. in private scale of its Only sizeable private developments can provide the tax base to finance needed public services without penalizing the homeowner. Although we have not done a dollar -for - dollar tax study on Plaza Venetia, we believe every Miami taxpayer ought to be happy with the thought that new private buildings in the central city are going to help with the tax burden by replacing otherwise low -yield properties. 12 J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER .9pigolOvit s In i F"1 g n i e sti f Fitt 3i n ' ettfoved WOO- L num/W nt s' io svoh [1d-tiles tIolee, no ob ieurt n9nn14 9ntOoLewr o e11 gdi ri3fer1 of efnrr4v. nveb . eszrlq bis itizq aso +ednommtti tv efivIlq . ar/ bebe*n eonea2 i 'off *fed oe aril Palatlent q r►nob ion everi ev dgOOd jA rm al S no ybule eel 'zsIIob ' qxs t Ima1'I yteve ovel sd :et friroorif eel iftij ptrgne inf^►� et ai epltYS;#p blind ref $11 ri#irt (lien of 9t1c.plq blet4-wol 90.1.17e'rii0 V,SStID :1 A "Many things are attractive about your plans for Plaza Venetia. Of par- ticular note among the mixed uses of the land is the space set aside for resi- dential development. Many cities have lagged in providing attractive places for people to live in or near the down- town area. With Plaza Venetia, Miami will be in a position of leadership. "Having residents 'built in,' so to speak, should contribute much to the safety and vitality of the area. Resi- dents create a steady demand for goods and services, providing employment for those who live in nearby areas. And since visitors always flock to lively places, our tourists will also enjoy what has been built to serve us well. "Above all, perhaps, is the effect of a large new development on surround- ing areas. In city after city, we have seen the upgrading and rejuvenation of J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER nt ed$ p°hbMt, Rost tkr ssA :t'ti►m olS**I Y n pn#hivexq . ** 610001 70 n 9viX of 191904 V Io3 An no U,iaoq z Sl 'id law alneblae d27snon binofit .= +r 'e tins Vets* i.b .tiss$ t s a 897* Iansb Prt#4.ivo/q olovfv' r e .ydzaon ti slit/ odiessodt 311 ekaw s YodivIN, -a3sia _l11w aiellu 1 Yle otoulq as of ,Ilv'f Bead esd-3sdw .'rQf'zf eq 1114 avodir .. ,: singr,l evell "snit epvil 1511r. ,fib f; 01 wrsr. Psti t;gxpqu Aril nose 14 14 nearby blocks in response to new life and new demands. "It has not been possible for us to study in depth the variances required by Plaza Venetia to make it economically feasible. It is right and proper, of course, that these be carefully con- sidered by those who have this responsi- bility. It is our hope, however, that zoning regulations --some of which may not be applicable today to the best and high- est interests of the city --would not be narrowly imposed without careful thought for the many positive gains offered by a development such as Plaza Venetia. "Sincerely, Lester Freeman, Executive Vice President, The Greater Miami Chamber of Commerce." Another letter dated March 27th was also read into the minutes of the Planning Board, and it was addressed to Mr. Tibor Rollo. • J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER learopai la' oq aosd rtslbfv aril oise littittO *401 odssad& icy/ -tries VOo svoit odw. eooi3 .imprzolNis 13god ,zoo sii I :,' %. ld snas---snobs ugss :psinos ci/ o, ysbol , e4d lq ,ad jf t� 9(11 to aft 1 'e 9 bssoqui yLla'xtn =Uzp 5e141'soq .yams sti-%31 ssal/ as clout laaagolsveb 111a140%1AR" $ aexD odd , JasbIss15i.. spiv bsJr:b lect,O Sq arfa xo Ee/vnia sedd atra 111; .* ©llo ,odiT .lid v 1;14E44:W311s 4! W 15 "Dear Mr. Rollo: "I am taking this opportunity to confirm our position favoring the development of Plaza Venetia. "As neighbors to the proposed site (Biscayne Boulevard to the gay between 15th and 17th Streets) and informed citizens, we strongly urge the Planning Board to favorably act on tonight's presentation. "Again, best of luck on the speedy development of Plaza Venetia. "Sincerely, H. J. Jurgensmeyer, Vice President and General Manager, The Miami Herald Publishing Company." I will read one more letter and go on to other things. This was a letter written by Herbert H. Johnson & Associates, Architects; Miami, Washington, and Tampa. It was addressed to Mr. Rollo. "Several years ago I was a member of a Chamber of Commerce Committee that was set up for the purpose of establishing J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER • a Downtown Development Authority. We were instrumental in setting up the present tax district including all of the downtown area from 17 Street on the North to the Miami River. The Downtown Development Authority operates on funds contributed by the taxpayers in this area. At that time and today, the Downtown Development Authority considers this entire area as part of downtown Miami. It seems only fair then that the zoning for this area would be the same as downtown Miami, namely C-3. This reminds me of another case where there was taxa- tion without representation. "The change in zoning to C-3 seems even more reasonable when you consider that C-4 abuts the property on the South and is one-half block away to the West. "As you may know, I investigated all of this for another developer who had contemplated purchasing the property. 16 0iitf 0 e tdl iax B vY i5 .9Lt9V exsi )trin rtJ ' of eloddpis4 °ti: i o, blaysioM .9111141111) -2 osllH ti#U iluicd111 plc; y1 phox*s 94t 'itistiSka no los yids -royal 03 bi1sfl8 x�r�l 10 la8d initopA. srtoV asslq to inseIgoleveb u t, . t, . H . yd92goni2 .. auens) Nis .1ttabiae: .'so3V stiff —9-soca ono bast Ili, i to -91i91 s emu, ettiT aCnitti :j ,sraeszb6 ,-i r ops n3r;9y laYtovee,m o 'j 3 a 13d.sa riO 4.14 ..t i,1uA 01 t?.t rti Jpilla VI troll seal ou t3 . xeviA 4,11,1 403-M0 r!$101: X9 ) yj xo amA SiSSIROMMrsa syn gxs . 941 , d bst10 f. 0 01 bit t> ami 3 341t j#t:. : »u orilurk I•nsingnl3veiaAnfftltw4Q 0 3Zbq as .691k.. "TORS e-idi liz3 vivo emees 3l .im*in biuow ssxs iidj .zr#, .pakto: £- D % S sman x zasiM nwolawob oxedw _ atn 3adlons tt,1 . sm o± E•nacsxcgel du©4 is not', >ninom ni sp:tsdo sd?" rrsdw 9Idsn0efiel same nsva 5 asgolq nAI 'Jugs #► *add ,►swo Ilad-snosi bns {x S;G3 3i yE33 uotd., eA" 7nAior« to? $ d 3a Xis as lazua bsie,igrert,Inft bad ',1aanD A L • "The Master Plan that we developed at that time, for what we considered to be the proper use of the land, was very similar to yours. It, too, would have required a change in zoning to C-3. "There have been a number of Master Plans made for the re -development of downtown Miami, all of which have included the area around Jordan Marsh as a major commercial area. In order that it become such an area our plans contemplated that the zoning would be less restrictive. "I am sorry that I cannot be at the hearing tonight because of prior commitments. I would have liked to express my opinions in person. "Sincerely, Herbert H. Johnson, F.A.I.A." J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 17 `trelitfpot 89:16 ifat te glitt6 16 it & 8fb -e/r as Molts '61ndt9d i $sdl rinds si:1 jis 3 W141131tft±a . ev#iotxise1 ' ea9i tsc' I #Ici3 TriO �t is 'I" uAbed Idpihol pia/Jim614, nvrc! bluow I .a0II /1mmaa enoinigc Ya e'e tcpte x 7 sdIsii ,;�iszasr lt" :#7: 3140 .51, Now, I think it is clear to this Commission that there is the public that does not a very, very large segment only support this project, supports it enthusiastically by taking the time out either write letters or sign a petition or a request this Commission to allow Plaza Venetia to become a reality. 18 of but to of I do not know where the usual board is up there --maybe you all do not have it down at the Commissiq level --showing the area in question as to how many people object and how many people do not object, but -- maybe Mr. Simpson has it there --really, I think that we are down to just --there it is. And that has been changed. That red property on the right withdrew their That was the Woman's Club. At the time we objections and cut the project down as far they withdrew their objections, so they do objections. withdrew our as we could, not object any more. There is an awful lot of green there. There, are an awful lot of people that did write in and did consent to this thing. I think that within the entire 275 feet radius you are only going to find one n J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER ,41 A: , .zov Itt WPM Vt /As* !4 yi 124 sig $ .ap2tV 410141 4011w 1LT I 1 $ ask? as,a/41.v_olta4/-41.0/aairtfrtoD 1. 41 s7srfw wott$ so; ox? ,svislt ion 04 1Lit,itfay adybin— noliaeop 41 4971 44* villworte--1.7%,!:,1 sicion yftax WA* b44i.30td0 Is 97--ozedl ila44eoMaja ,oi1disq ,-)rft 1 alltaq? F\fti-t 1,*.t.tex4,47,t.r.tiapt oI nwob ort/LfO y/xstgovg b Ise iiDa natal:0.404 aif .4.44,Pr a no i t sAJ ID* .bas ao41440,tdo .300 32. sit/ ws-ibc1.11,, y444 ,,b,frion lav r yna /Dot,de 01 Ives 44 Si eladT ;fiii/ sigosq lo *151 fulwa na s/a ; td3 spfttd2 oi oolf trabel Joel Va-HRO q t trettno."1 f,*; 10 objector, and I doubt very seriously if the objector comes down to the Commission to talk. The objections that we have, generally -- well, they would have to come from outside the immediate area, because the people there want this developed. I do not want to take too much time my- self, I will be coming back as we go on and introducing various speakers, so at this time I would like to turn this over to my client and friend, Mr. Ted Rollo, who hopes to develop this property. Thank you. MR. HOLLO: Mr. Rothstein, Honorable Commission, Honorable Mayor, Madam Commissioner. I have been here many times before you, and never in my experience that I can remember have I asked for a project so worthwhile and so very much in need by our town -'by our whole populace. We have talked about it previously --about improving downtown. We have talked about problems our big neighboring cities have, problems northern cities have with their downtown areas. There was a big article written by George Romney about it not so long ago in the J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER A W lad, tnedie*Vit' runt siabiti-4.416$44 'now tandt 9140 oioojd b P9m0-) Attme T9fits I I no,: Witraued aYs1 ol laity lbirlot" id entemo ad ILlw , I omit e/AS IsAge,A2sAssqa EL/017; M bast's!! ban igni15:1* otiravo jt .10,1,40iff stril,goiliveb ;3,1 ecifietr: f. 134 $ 041,1011 Alt • - ,D r15.5874 xbyel blifevraoti , no.tr. iftvzc ynsm chIsti need *vat - $so I lfirld• yst 79VSn 911/1WilltOW Oa *biting 7(51 11,40C1 910fiV td-^.11VOI 'WO N:rt. /4;ads be.Ain:1 elved-sfit Le:41bl svtri ' ;.11Witlatirob pnivc, :cr.; 11T-SidCr.V3 09%-rbe esiIla Oniloarfpf,..in sittr asems rtirodnwt)b /leit3 on 11 Inods legroom ntatoeD. rrs2.11-rw Ilaa541.1 Tpfur- 20 Nimorlarr newspapers. Only the type of developments that we are proposing can satre our downtowns; more specifically, our Downtown Miami. We have to recreate a focal point that it has lost --a magnetism to bring people, to serve people. At the last meeting in the City Commission the very Reverend Dean McCormick has said, "I like it because it serves people." We ought to serve people, not residences -- not shelter of residences, but shelter of shopping, recreation, and life, all tied together. Not so long ago --thank God --the bond issue was passed for our parks and recreation. As you know, our city, six years ago, spent a quarter of a million dollars to get a reading from Master Doxiades of his plan on how he would plan the future of Miami. The northern end, although it is described at 17th Street, showed a large in concentration, highly intense apart- ment development where now our park will go, because we are all aware that, thank God, that has passed. Where will you then put the large .4 d-� 21 cofbenttetion Of populace in the downtown core? Next to that park we have the Miami Herald Building. Next to that is the property my company has assembled and now wants to turn over for the best use and the best benefit of our town. That is the only part that is left in your northern node of our city for high intensity --I am quoting Master Doxiades now--multiple-family development connected to commerce, office, and recreation. This is in his annals, turned over to you for a quarter of a million dollars. Nobody, may I submit to you--nobody---has implemented --there way nobody before me who came forth and said: Okay, let us do it. Well, we ask you: What will you do when 1976 comes and we are fortunate enough to be selected as one of the bicentennial cities? Where will you take all these people? What will you show them --Top of the Columbus, or send them to the beach for Miami ---Miami is our city --send them to Fort Lauderdale? We have nothing to show them. Alfred• Browning Parker made a beautiful J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER , s q ¶ so S.ei )1 d Ica' yiloslp ,s-x bnn , so1ll mdu a edf 4#neonr sg i.r' a a7u1 o 2 i 1r.k: Aa off' •Iuo 3Rt�M nor c'� Uiiob nol..'. 1.9d ybod .• .11.0 it:. 1111- na O mil 44131. . mugs sJsov3-41,0;4,01( :1 wcf a 'oy IIiw #ate w d*zsd sd/ ci as..1 bass, 7c , e:..dm t 5 2 9;7.1 - ':s{noea 1 c ..00a4 buss-- Z9:i'3t ril:tl:Ci .., 2i2 projection--Miamarina--but nothing has been started yet, nothing has been done. Our city has been exposed to a series of beautiful things, but nothing tied together heretofore. We have a Jordan Marsh --a credit and asset to any community throughout the country. We have a most gorgeous Miami Herald Building --equally community. We have beautiful buildings Building. Nothing ties them together. an asset like the They are to any Bacardi hap- hazardly thrown together. None of our developers ever thought of implementing, including myself --me, too, I was asleep. Our country has sort of a moratorium on buildings, and I think that a good hard look at what is happening is always good. Our country is decimating our lands. Do you know that over one million acres of land is annually taken for developments --good rural fertile land taken by urban developments --sprouting cities, choking up our lands. That is because we have allowed -- not us alone in Miami, but big cities allow their people to go out of their town, they have no further develop- ments within their cities. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER ogxs rt ►s:i I v:70 b91t v41111es :sod?11.t! ! 2.03i/ri5•1. i t bOI s - �-tis i l�3 'X Uir , b S v r. GsriT19- _ ?, IblIik'I g6; /17641,1, »ibihd iut;t34:s9d;*v$d 3W t,r: • stroll . Isd$,spO , awoI vm �7:ti i�i^til ?nildem4LgatS a #>:t►;'"�. ,� .(1sotat 2 ice earl vx trtuoo i)oop ., i i . Art14$ I betA , a bpi pvawdr5 at tari_._ta�3�. I + 70;j a J*111 wort. Roy{ o XtT c :tn9 It is vsb n ,t , c *J't3 #!j fir ;, ri E:1; �fsh`a a: is . 14m4i Grp rq.! .).. ram; ,1105 $ n2 y9d ` r.�v,� xieriy 23 The Planning Department, they are fast asleep. They are not encouraging builders and developerd to come in; thus big populations were lost, lost from the central quarters of the cities, leaving the cities -- the central cities --bankrupt. We are coming to that phase, ladies and gentlemen. I am hoping that we are not there yet. There is only one way that we can stop it, to my knowledge, because you will not stop people from coming down to a beautiful state. You cannot go to the north and say: Hey, people, do not come. We do not want you. We do not construct for you. We cannot keep them out, it is their choice. We have to accept them. They are our fellow citizens and it is our duty to provide for them --to serve them. The only way we can save our already decimated lands is if we develop our central cities, give a good strong There is only dimension; up ward. core to it, bring people back into it. way to accomplish that --in a different or down, not any more horizontally out - Unfortunately in our state, in the State J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER t.ku pnip a/ w tinoi: nail to tne ono yin° rfa: �ilo 4b' 9`Z'_ :' 17, tonA . spa 1 1 L 9d $ 'Mob Pnsr^.. boa di/on 3 /o:ix/entio ,o ., .uo' Ift^w 7 Utz mod/ gee]i /onaa d .mod/ o lvd ow r. n 51/74,1Zq o: 4!/6too 41 11 b,tn e a n : t r xv►' L'OL' geu6o sigosq .qe$ w ;eta► yin Yuc? 4oi:4zo) ol4 01' ebnat ot.7-! deiit±t000s of 'fie Ylois pno :tr no ri. + qu of Florida, especially in the southern portion, there is only one way and it is up, because down is water. Ladies and gentlemen, what I have said at the Planning Board is a matter of record and has been taken down. I would like to conserve your time. I must, however, impart to you one deep regret that I have done -- that I have done at the Planning Board --to make a stupid compromise. This project needs intensity and density, and I allowed myself to reduce it to 810 from a thousand units --stupid: I am ever to regret it, because in the interest of our project and our city we have to have density. I, and many fine citizens of our town, respectfully urge your Commission for their approval of this project. MR. WATSON: When Mr. Rollo set about to find an architect to try to do something on a plaza -type development, he wanted to get somebody that he felt had a national and worldwide reputation. He secured the architectural services of the firm of Tbmmbs, Amisano & Wells of Atlanta, Georgia, to design the project. Mr. Amisano has a national reputation as J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER gsblIcot ;Moe priratc, aii°b tato dot x*t�n14►liet-..a Ices zb4. leg alb" . n = a .t aut,0% lisitytn Z s L 05 • apzt vat an architect in the designing of such large projects suc as Plaza Venetia, and that dictated that he would be the one to create Plaza Venetia for the City of Miami. Mr. Amisano is not going to tell you abou his qualifications, but I am going to tell you about som of them. He is a fellow member of the American Institut of Architects; member of the American Institute of Architects Executive Committee, Georgia Chapter, 1963; American Institute of Architects Committee, American Institute of Georgia Chapter, '63; Executive Vice Presi- Architects Design American Academy of Rome; American Institute of Planners; International Council on Shopping Centers; Shopping Centers in Chicago; the University of Chicago in We introduced member of the Council of member of the faculty of 1964. into the record at the Planning Board meeting a printed brochure of some of the projects that Mr. Amisano and his firm have designed. They are part of the record, should any of the Commissioners wish to see them; but in the interest of time I would like to introduce to you at this time Mr. Joseph Amisano, who will explain this project to you. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER rior18-.' bs*s; n • *on . a.t. prUop ba I .. r, iaalii�,tF st s a39a3idci4 3o: rgiiiinrti Z ^. avr, 3o soilsa, ;Ea' t�s ; ;I's4qati3 aipaoea s1 :: r N:•.. 3.•.! ,:;co rg nts e . tit;.0$214.1 pnggo :71r!c o - iecid3 a :,8 9. noD .r z G r 4. . 26 Mr. Amisano. MR. AMISANO: Mr. Mayor and Commiesioner8, let me first correct a small thing that Jack said about my qualifications. I do not know about a worldwide repu- tation, but I hope I have the qualifications just to do this project. When we looked at the project originally, we did at the outset review the planning that had been done by the Doxiades plan, which was published in '56, as well as the land use plan of '59, and,in essence, I would like to make this statement at the outset: that the proposals which we have on paper go both into the goals which Doxiades had proposed in that plan, as well as the kind of uses which are explicitly defined in the plan, the land use plan of 1969. To start with, if I may just identify the area [indicating] of the project, our project area, which basically encompasses the land around the Jordan Marsh store from 15th and then going up to 16th Street Terrace, Bayshore, and from Bayshore to the Bay, and the area that is presently used as the parking lot for Jordan Marsh. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER it aril: p*# LS voJs want ni l i t upsi q 911 . e b * of Oliva 1iao.11lLe :x l dud .$09to xc7 r .4- frr?t L q : ntkinis tat nt! s �t } q 25w doks'fw %slag .mbstzoa edJ vJ ,eei to nsLlupou 6etAL,,adl ae> '.C�i. �G J hsisz9J*$t thti east o± ;.r tsgsa ,-to evsdAvw, dtidW ;alse oge, -. 3 t i beacaoig bsk estwitztori.clitiv � i ai i xa sIs f!a#thr sssu h .bi The basin of looking at the proposed uses is to see whether they are compatible with the uses that already exist in the area. Many statements have been made about the activities that presently exist in the area, generally in most similar circumstances where retail has been created as you have seen in regional shopping centers, many of which we have done, in a great many places around the country. But you are, in a sense, creating something out of rollcall, you are putting it in an area largely oriented to a suburban market. What is unique about the site in Miami, it has two fundamental ingredients which do not ordinarily exist and which normally almost have to be created when you have similar types of large scale retail development& in outlying areas in the so-called regional shopping centers. One is that the department stores that exist are not only Jordan Marsh, but Sears and Jefferson, which are the basis of a retail core. The second degree is one of transportation access, not only the kind of access you may find around i, "i iz)%to sU a _NCO O it W9D jtrn,_3a r“,s3-A iaxett +;i --IL 9e 9vr,ri uoy es b.lsD *s* *sd ; 'RV rfoLtta to vas* *Irtedliso •.. 1/ttife _1 `b4 3$r'-4 1nLdi ve1sr; 1 1,:rx o it* eti #S peilssan •9ia91rt $9ta; ds rsti n • 3 Li nda aupi.nu tan iz inoirwipa2 ls3 3Ae bfial owl i 9i!f;ti I8o!#tLS 9't.," WI 10 tsgvv3 !nitrate �•; 5 r; ►' bsl1i3-oe esit at teszc . r .hti,•_ �7t�5crs: 94.1 3ad3 s�tp to •i3ad 9sf3 1/5 ttsb bassaa *IT �t. ?n butt sri3 Y-ao 3An • 28 a shopping center that is related to a local artery, but it is one that relates that the site in terms of the activities that commercial activities, to a regional artery system so of existing land uses, in terms already exist --these retail and hotels which are located in the vicinity --has a transportation system that does relate to a regional capacity. The present core of the city as was described in Doxiades'pian--this was a study and outline indicates that the activity core which exists to the north, and the one further south, which is generally built around the present what we call CIH area, and the ones that are in between, he predicted that the area north of llth Street would eventually have to be intensified because there were certain factors already there --which I have mentioned --regarding the retail and the transportation facilities as they exist. To start out as a planner it is not simply a question of developing the plan around specific areas, it isn't simply a question of taking X number of feet of retail or hotels or office buildings or apart- ments and plunk them down on the site, the internal J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 151 T Y S 9200 saa # g o dsizC?r.� 31 g, 3 r 10:0s. s4 x04$203 ear.- SA loa i+ � A t a ti .. a evut Ito 4 74si tt of s ingredients, or all the faetorswhich have to work in terms to effect the things which are external, keyed to the external factors, have to do with traffic. If this project has undercover paring of approximately 4,250 cars, it is our concern that the supporting streets are there to take the •firbuat ofr traffic this would introduce. Now, traffic in terms of just single exiting or single egress would create the kinds of problems that you see in many other large scale developments. But what we have done, we employed Wilbur Smith, who has also done a great deal of work here in Miami, to look at the problems of taking care of the traffic that this would produce. He has completed a report which I think Mr. Watson --I think that is a matter of record which is now in --the last pending hearing. If it isn't, well it should be in today and made part of the record. He has worked out a plan. He was worked with Mr. Simms and the Department of Transpor- tation. That plan indicates that the structural system, the system of handling traffic both in and out of the project in its approaches, is workable on the densities that are being recommended here today. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER to 10. E rstr r.t *IS 9ICkb 9vs 3 :i+ lc .0aaaalq k t2 IT .1-74.1 5715 Lta ast$ so?Sal : Tfrri '$!t '!1 err • The other ingredients which were --- COMMISSIONER CHRIST/Es May I interrtipt for a second. Were they workable tinder the thousand some odd apartment densities? MR. AMISANO: Yes. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: They were? MR. AMISANO: Yes. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: On the original projection they were workable? MR. AMISANO: Yes. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: Thank you. MR. AMISANO: The other ingredients --and if 1 may run through them quickly and not try to take too much time in doing this and get to the plans --is that we are interested in the pedestrian circulation. These elements,which have to do with making up what is we believe to be a better working plan, are elements that have to do with, not only creating shorter distances between points --for instance, we have a pedestrian bridge --which is in a particular drawing if I may have it raised --[indicating] that goes J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER d� a Ishno e Aanoes -t feidL 2ps *OW itsdl ac • .a9v ION x e f o sd S 7ii41 ,• gK[ r boa ylgoiup ash 14,p r¢ sti auY vs,: F v� lop Lan .eici$ nipb .si einiJ c.o." -i 'is0bsrq ad* rrf bp4eaxs/ni *In .,, ;.. sd 01 sysiled 9w 41.1sdw r3� 1 / it w ab 03 ev fi Sub !pt9I1 e! , 9'f r, Rests tts�s;�sci asanai tfb Ist7orl a ,; ; : t ,.:. el ^'0i44w--sP4Xd A+4iVaa.b `--'rii3--bee zz f i evati %s J 9 .L r17s'04ra,. 31 from the comfiercial area over to the apartments as a pedestrian right of way, which is a public access at a bridge level to allow the pedestrian to have the kind f experiences that maybe are not being afforded to him now on the site as it exists. Right now you have a parking lot which is not attractive to the water's edge. What we have now in our plans is a way to get from one point to another point with full protection. In other words, you are go- ing above the traffic, crossing over from one side of the development to the other side to get access to the water. What we are saying is, in terms of access, once you are there --and this is simply just going to an outer edge and providing a Mute qualitative facility than what may exist now. What we are interested in, we have provided in our plan, which the further drawing shows, that at the waterfront there will be a setback where that is a pedestrian right of way at what is now the water level, which is that drawing to the left [indicating], as well as one which would be at the upper level, which is the second drawing you see there. So 4 q `s 6 # ' >� �t n 5.ix dS ltbe Vtd t,tt 1.6,1 3t 0 076 tOi tno sr ;i 01 I : ;Mitt v;1 x f1.x? , .Y►phs '' ` x3 --. -03 IS f. - r .'.,_ a t rtcT1 • ilirp »GG twit ? F, ; 'r z ri3ca nI atai$0 G7q i. Invo p:'iienc D Aoittili 9tl.i .a1,1,71i!i' .Abit 7111:0o e3 n e z ri tae awls es 36dW ` l7Tin e' el it pia--iraait . ';'°'rs s nibt$o/1 !as 3^I • .U1011 1111tx9 YEr, :! 5,' te rf" tiy tverri 7tno/1 iad4w attl 36 +r: , .GoTt% WIC 3r1'$4i r «'c} 117., t 64t bSq E al a?P4 f"3 71,14. sr! 7�. 32 that the pedestrians, both those who are shopping and those who may be living there and those who are simply visitors to the area, may have access to the Bay. We are hoping, and there are opportunities that the park that exists to the north of connected along the waterway --that type of see in this, and perhaps more commonly in we have here, but this is an to do this, it could be walk that you European cities than opportunity. We can start this as an opportunity, hoping that there are other developers in the. city who choose to develop the waterfront, the park, as these can be connected. It gives more meaning to the park and to this edge of the property. The access elements which have to do with traffic safety, the separation of vehicular movement, we are concerned --what that drawing simply says is that in the traffic system that is being proposed, there are new traffic lights to the north on l7th and Biscayne which control that traffic movement. The existing traffic movements work ideally with the project. We have one- way systems, both egress and ingress, to the project, so for a matter of producing a framework for movement an 0 J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER e7.111 bns t ra a a.tsixs 4Artti,: t ut n'igq1111A%-et4ll teitie, toy it r t ;tra�z s e sysd ov 0.0 .291413 fro as aid:" $sdi a; n . 4 , 4no// e+: env gpieveh Pai tszt atvvip Ji . b91 s^: r,7,) GCS •yj'tsgozq st(� sQ !3 `' .:t w s suns et? •11t2i:, palla 1.541 l dw.,-t91;29'no7" t. 11.3 f S no. ,-i 4 1°u ixt a x ai. bag ' Eat 41,0d itiatnq 33 traffic on the sites we have provided all the facilities. And Wilbur Smith's report, who that prior drawing shows; in his report he works out the mechanics of making the kinds of vehicular movement work. And I would like to submit this to the Commission. MR. ROTHSTEIN: Sir, would you be so kind as to verbally, for the record, offer all these placards that you have been pointing to and discussing, making them a part of the record, and supply us either with theta, or if you want them, a similar scale large scale photograph of them. You could make that as --- MR. AMISANO: For the record, we will take the exhibits that we are exhibiting today and sub- mit them as part of the record --either these or duplicate of them. The other aspect having to do with traffic, and, where we do not, as Wilbur Smith's report pointed out --we are not looking at this as a local system. Unfortunately, our drawings we are looking at today simply say that these are the things that are $ J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER t€• i tiov, e .fa.ctsitt a -i 41*w , /12 'Wi •fit )fts o3wsi4ttioT eta Yl clue fin Q If) r31 3o aoZnc,4 • 116,il. ry t i �'a� �� 1sdisv ovsd ibttairti 141,1 to 31r,c, lfi.'.f 9I64.", tern sir ev tete-e�it#?ri-x bxonem 'id, to' lsq am 16 /zsgto IsAiSo focAlb sk' LdY.as .paitool 1tvi etaseed: lett vet r • happening around this project and within it. Traffic has --you all experienced this --- all the backup implications Khan it does not work. We are concerned about not leaving any one aspect having t do with traffic unturned or unresolved. The service element of cities --and there are a great many facts available to us on the cost of servicing a city --is enormous. In New York City, becaus they have never made proper provisions for servicing a high -intensity area, the cost of a desk to deliver is almost equal to the cost of the desk itself. What we are trying to do in every one of these concerns having to do with what makes a city function better is to pro- vide the kinds of facilities that avoid the kind of con- gestion which does that, not only to the cost of goods to us as shoppers, but to those in the area. You would be equally affected by this. So that all the service for this entire project is off the street. They have their own service courts, and they are indicated in red. The retail part of the project has four major service courts, and the apartments have one. TF 4441 hen71!+nr. n use e ate nor sf4s at140,0r arm is r '.it 0;1 • ZI !'Ctfrit1t5- $1--Ift h fi z to Isav site ;.tfitts :lent, esti 1n J*6D sdi 01 Imvv7 a4 py “no dnn ,1 t43 !ltsh d*7;irq;.. i.s 330e1 ems# j j ,elt— ao 0.1 vdsa'� < n1 lit 11%111 It W %? ,• {�. • „.., +ire .is 35l I mentioned earlier in terms of pedes.. trian circulation, which we are exhibiting there as a green element --this is sidewalks --whatever we have as setbacks, we are saying that within the project we have several ways to circulate to be able to connect the project, one side to the other. We have a bridge to avoid the kind of pedestrian crossing that blocks traffic or adds to any kind of hazards related to street crossing. We also pointed out that there is the opportunity to connect to the north part of the site where there is a park, and possibly even down --in the future, and perhaps by some other developer --to the south towards Plaza Venetia may be possible. What we are trying to demonstrate here is that this project has an opportunity, and that is how other projects can latch on to it. How do you part the assets? It is raising the point of all the negative things in the community, but every community has enormous assets, and it is the linking up of these assets which we would like to see happen with this project. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER .101901.+19 Atipot*Als ow legn!'4'1 -0/ licifs 9d-0$ 0/01/014±0 0$ tifsw visitoW.toilto bitt :0$,Obla an0 $ pole noi$0 nsitistfaq to, boil ort abl,sstrf to boil yttif,,431 ebbs io .tiniaoin ri tIilOo bsao:qOis�W tq di7ett sd3 o$ a2SnfIeo tO1 N.73 nu 31c 1-ays lei.dietoq bits %tug i I9vr.413 -1-91110 swop wisrilsq tseor; ed yen skisei017 arsig eb7ow.3:7; ; pnirt$ 918 is,340 • 4, ns tosl St..,9t7(1 •4 no eatri 1161) di aoy of) %toll ▪ sv.E.$.spen erl$ Ils to dnioq 9r= • en.ri y3inuame* vlevs Ind IV:4 a-lseef.. sastli to coui Rst 42.kw 1,132taD .9 flr'F'So.:.4:14 71r. ' 36 We indicate that the retail core to the left going down Biscayne Boulevard has these oppor- tunities. Now, the question is to test them. This is a test case. We have seen it happen in other cities -- my home city in Atlanta, where it started about some ten years ago doing certain types of linkages. This is becoming more and more a planning device to solve some of the earlier problems, the most recent planning being in Atlanta. They adopted a citywide system of linking up the high activity areas so that we could stratify certain things which have to do with service and drop off pedestrians. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: Is that concept the underlying concept of the Prudential Center in Boston? MR. AMISANO: Yes, but we would like to go a step further. Some of the larger projects were either isolated, they did not connect --but / think the ones like you see in Montreal, which is one of the best ones, I think, for any of us to look at, Radio City in many J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER anti of al tittle rmggad 3itee* .:1-13s Ii 0.:; i 3 o a sely3 'al* pittio .a y f. y$1 Atilb Opt a l 5 ^. ',' ; D V9b pairritsig t *xolloittlit s7Ofi Eti iaort 9fif , aits cticm$117r)� 3r 91vite4.33o • IS 13631101dr .tFi f+fj - :IS e►w 3aAl oe imettiftiirifts r ri rt .; ea ri3iw 013 o$ evs.if itprUrtf ~kf: ., ,. : ate �'� � � .� ►1!?. •,: :31T2151NDf'� 1 2X hQ3 s I n s fxr .el 9113 lgs.onot � i v r, c► = u , z f Z {IZAR IMA ., , ergo E .ioi!W , jaa 3#0 tit esa • 37J ways, but it is underground -type connection. With the opportunities to take advantage of the temperatures that are a Miami product, we would like to see ways to connect it on many multilevels rathe than to go underground. The other aspect has to do with transit. The project --we have worked out with Mr. Simms a way to get a transit dropoff for the project which is right at the center between --yes, right there --where you could come into the project, and we can have the dropoff right there. We will have a taxi dropoff there at that point, so that would not be something in which we are going to add congestion to a street that must flow adequately to serve the city as a whole. And very recently, in working with the Port Authority, there is an opportunity to even get water transportation between that facility and what would be the bayfront and tie in with that drawing to the left where it could be a pedestrian access. It could make the harbor activity relay these kinds of transportation elements, these kinds of opportunities for this project. If it works, then this could be 6trna9` 6t tilt :r`s:tt+tE :II it 1 1:$W 9* a s of airy: ioegsa is a: WIT._ 7". rf#tue $00 b6 itni-WW1'` Mtr► crs� T.± �;n cr ;t --sxnrdi 3d017 gas x /461939d V.I.! 7�-, xgl -*' analif iw qt4 �i frh, ni pntt!?s $ dd #ou bluo, parlayed to many other projects, to many other uses. We are concerned with the fact that we do not want to see this become an introverted project; that it is walled in, single purpose; that it unless it has ways in which it can reach out --and one of the things and it is what people do for the project, is that you can provide the facilities, but if there is a way to get people to the outer edge, if there is a view enhancement - If you walk along the Biscayne Canal, there are ways to -- I mean, there is literally no access to that edge except at that park. The park has not been developed for that. So we are interested in developing the kind of vistas --in other words, between the church and the apartment structure we would like to see that present right of way, which is an alley, developed as a park -like entrance to the bayfront and tie up with that drawing which is shown on the left. I would just like to run through the plans very briefly, if I may. Basically, we are looking at a housing of cars for some 3,200 people on this side, and about a thousand on this side [indicating]. This is entirely Yttsm artl: vox.la,t tie bni -3uo fit 1 11'x its 14•7.n on cF.7 4wal i * .r rf " 1 w n rw ;. -17..sterzq arLV 44)1 ch: aX+ oaq J-sdw -11orti 311 lud :r i . 4,k j Artla bZ vim-. a t (9tit .!A , apt , !l1.it* ad/ o:J ,:anst snystsi1;; d gttoi si,�,�r 0.1 aesDon an yilA10#1 ei 979.4- 95 nssd Fran esrl ;lug 44T. Alzq + . 11S OW e2 —rto9w1s, ,ablow m4io a4«..azle.iv j A )1 i fi i uow sw xu?s adsusb ,vats tst J.iw (:4 r o 11 d.d.itiw e: CV, t. sz� ban lninl- sd .ilei ad,do awa:i r:� ;•. • l'bm T a .' huti 't449w, reo .14iisi;d niaAta i rs 39 under cover. There are two levels of parking on what would be the approach street levels, and above those two levels are two retail levels. You can see at that point the first retail level, and the pedestrian connection, the apartments, and this is open space recreation areas located here. There is a second department store located in that area, and that is Jordan Marsh. Above the retail levels there are three additional levels of parking --above the two levels of retail --and above that are two other facilities, an office building and a hotel with its own recreational facilities. And internally, the things that we en- vision --an enclosed pedestrian walkway in which there will be light --what we are trying to create internally is a sense of place, a place where people can come and meet their friends. There are many projects where it has been done successfully. There are many projects that we can point to that have accomplished this. This has happened. So, aside from the mercantile aspects of J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER rto nap e:,kg ,afxot $i / ,,goa -e' .favor 'x a bnu er svods--pat 12,Oftpp alowsi ijrt., t -' _Id is owl t .AOSAO Oiods br s " J t r.:` a . t ti a:iw I620! ',12•1M pr:lblhid ' yzw:{Ibw iz asbaq 170001049 !Y3 r< _o oi sits ow +'-atiw---idp,L_' i _+ "y. Ifiact easlq $ a17 SC ^ 'oF3t7'..:. hoeizi Year zEd4 1; 911 a)b.i A tea it, it does ultimately wind up as a community facility and it does become a meeting place. I would like to close by saying that the richness that we believe that this project has --not only providing the kinds of things that the other planners have spoken about, about bringing housing to the urban core, but opportunity to enhance the natural assets that already exist, and also there is an opportunity with this project to parlay it and tie it together with the many things which have been proposed by planners, by people who have other visions, and we do think that it has all the ingredients to do this. Thank you. MR. HOLLO: Thank you, Mr. Amisano. I would like to just mention that we have the delight and the pleasure of having the Commissioner of the finest reputation amongst us, and this is the reason we have taken the extra time to go very deeply into the project with our architect, so we could acquaint our new Commissioner with the project. Some of you, lady and gentlemen, have already seen it before. We wanted him to be able to J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER soh -I; sooh Itd so oft t 4 ti rr add d =t "410141 '' O' bBi 9ffl 1.1 ,nteuc;i pt!pf�d` 1ti*ds „!good -/s CI I/ gorta tita`e t•3irlvitoglo Itt 1 oqqo ai s"f 9:#S oats btt s t •It ; F coJ +i qt ,6 vt yaiixaq oI lo=,t ►A .�, %joao./city nt'bd r.p, i b sF%ti .')cis t entolskv ''z i4 o vl5tt G . mid/ ob- of Bluathexprtk ari _t • soy nsti't 119 uov $.Rs± T :6,1,1 R , > rc s frt y 2no t DI 5,111 blunt/ ?' prr.f.vj 1 to e'SL -, n ; 3 elP.Q!S"R rto.t3s,tu n� on.ft dliw Zanolat2ml ►u ? '»inew 3'rd ., t: 41 • absorb as much as possible in this very short time allocated to us. At this titne , with your indulgence, it is my privilege to call an old friend, a man of great accomplishments in our town, a man whose many, many thousands of members of his union have helped me to produce the fine achievements that I have earned in the city. It is my pleasure to introduce Mr. Joe Henry, president of the United Building Council in Miami and affiliated trades. Mr. Joe Henry. MR. HENRY: Thank you, Mr. Hollo. Honorable Mayor, Honorable Commissioners, my name is Joe Henry. I am the president of the Miami Building and Construction Trades Council, which repre- sents more than 30,000 workers in Dade County, construc- tion sites, and many plans. In my many travels around the country, and working in all states, too, I have seen it happen time and time again. The economy of an area certainly depends on the resources of their area to be employed. It vitiths twin an./ o xw rt.i o.t *Ar*setiti SI. 3 Pa.ibil 8 ilotWto asbtt s`tn bsisil OM alells lonoti loysM-=e d sonoll ono e$zc 911 I In;Ii sot. iontroD esbalT t0,}Juy.#ertoD bn 5 9i)8n 81S;(70V ,000tet rigs+ ta air sys d I poi 444414 . Y*� uoy 'Fasa<r 31 z 7 s fij riaiRu .1 ,6 g:::Rpl7A 7A� y., .tttsVs sn. 42 makes a happy city, a happy economy. Today we have a lot of unemployment in our area. We do not have heavy industry in our community. Basically, what our economy is based on is tourists, construction, a little light industry which is connected with the construction indus- try. I saw it happen in '58 in Carol City. This project, with the multitude of monies to be put in there, and to run for three years, offers help to many, many construction people. It will also give work to many, many people in plants getting the materials to suppliers. That will help them. Not only that, it is a beautiful project. I am speaking for the people I represent, and I have represented them for sixteen years. I have tried to be a good citizen in my community. I can assure you that ifthe unemployment situation begins to dwell in this community of ours now, we are not going to have the community we would like to live in. For instance, the moratorium in the Keys. Today, would you believe two cement factories down there J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER ! s aaoo ed4.4 0 n1 Se' a I no It. fiW i trca srld dt v ,lOs idT 7o1 nut oS MO i r!oiiant$ana, XnA. Ig n1 stgoeq y ss wY# ota3 $7ow 3vi Of[ .L11w darIT .arsiiinatO of a1si7 , S ed a el 31 150 i s #oN goeq orb 10..pnias y nhai-xia a $. bstneasxgs':; r-, .,s.i lnur.urroo Yr i nesi is prop s r, 31 cart$ :=oy urea; ne3 I 11 4 V tamo: el!{:' al ,[.towb a$ an1tsd 4;( .:. " w 1(. innammo 1 iS ear li 0j.:.Pniop i c r7 5 ``o./r' om sd$ o sons so 19 711044/41Rj • 1 43 are already shut up. --completely shut down. Would you believe people are leaving the Keys today because the unemployed are corning to us asking us to get them jobs. Now, everyone has a right to work if he is willing to work, and everyone should have a place to work if he is willing to work. I am not a Floridian by birth. I considez myself a Floridian by adoption. Certainly Dade County and the City of Miami did not adopt me, I adopted them. I think I live in the best place in the world, and I can say that I have traveled quite a bit within the United States and out. I want to see everybody employed in our community. I want to see everybody happy. When people such as Mr. Hollo are willing with his company to put this type of money in it, that's a hope, for one thing. Forget the building of it, that is a lot of money. The economy of the people in our community will be employed in such a complex as the plaza that he wants to build; continuously employed. There ain't no inflation there. A man out of work now for a few months, he thinks he's in a depression. Let him stay out of J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER no- qr,9 �•{{ ►..`. 17.2E b t 7 c. g, .. Id •n .ibi# icrobib-gt;it 3f$#.ti to `►1 sdi 'rf am*=Lq late 9113 At !w .i T :9rJid s 9./10, b9jOilititSovd i vfzOdYTOWS *St 61 /tis T :s 311 domes 640 li9" `4r..$ 21!t1 log © " .'414 b e's 'r`+f 4mgs z1 a. iSOsu v work for three months, that individual, as far as he is concerned, is in a depression. I love my community. I try to serve in every capacity. I am on the Board of Directors and others. I beg of you, when you consider this., consider the citizens that you have to do the job for. Consider it with an open mind and open heart, and I hope within your mind and your heart you will find it to be the right thing to allow Mr. Hollo and his company to build this beautiful plaza. And in conclusion, I want to thank you for the time at the meeting, and I wish each and every one of you the loveliness and the best of health you all deserve. Thank you. [Applause] MR. HOLLO: Thank you, Joe Henry. I appreciate it and am privileged to have your support and friendship. At this time, lady and gentlemen, I would like to call to the mike a friend of our fine city and J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 0,4 .rosrr3) "-r9v1...3 ib o evlaif r **tii ! s ,a10 srfi ri rrsgo bns fir, , aqc nts fillw i i iw volt Itooit amyl blot briu! o •?: ci btrs otictt •' ' : i .-al, Sniff/ . r:;>i ., r4SS.41 4,U.Uuss i Pl. rf >w , no1 :ui Fort:, i bn�4 SW I ris#e ba* 1V„t, et'tA /, srtl ' lead 941 0,1-lit t i i orxt 941 ucy,;. G 1Oy zirbtil iVfili 0 4s►ps_r rb af, yb6: %solid $ftlj /A err bn9.tx a s e41 of list 0s _- A":1�y3n Y�'�isi • . our town. He has taken the greatest interest in the cities and your fair city. He has been a strong part of our business community; president of the Central Bank, Central National Bank of Miami, as well as president of the Biscayne Businessmen, Biscayne Boulevard Association, I would like to call Walter Fries to the microphone. MR. FRIES: Thank you. Mr. Mayor, Honorable Commissioners, lady and gentlemen, I am a firm advocate of three things: brief speeches, brief introductions, and Plaza Venetia. I am going to keep to all of those right now. I think we are all standing here, or sitting here, participating in the making of history. I am only a neophyte in the history of Miami, but we have seen the development of tourism create Miami and Miami Beach. We have seen the great progress of the Miami Dolphins. We have seen air transportation, sea trans- portation create Miami as the gateway to Central and South America. Now we can see Plaza Venetia redevelop the downtown area and develop this immediate area. I would respectfully recommend your J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER . uc)v sI ... '4 lrneo`i sidalonsg 10y4 ► . AO .c hit,a 3 s 114 sls , r. 404, : TILL ;ism sel nt Pith+ +ttOi?: sq tote^ ,i 'to , xmlis ti aitzt A rdgastz ,r_ :► f; o3issY) zlua$ to SikescolavaL ;` * - .; , j aesiP©tq i`tZolptivatl Xta es !hart 4t' 6TS q eau :t,s Mail , z -,21 -. f: '►z yllui; cegeei . aLDOV 4 953z .4 3 approval of Plaza Venetia. Thank you. [Applause) MR. HOLLO: I surely thank Mr. Walter Fries, and I appreciate those words. If I may ask one of our good neighbors, the very anchor of our project, to the microphone, he would like to say a few words to you. Mr. William Ruben, president of Jordan Marsh. MR. RUBEN: Thank you, Mr. Rollo. Mr. Mayor, Members of the Commission, and ladies and gentlemen. A little over sixteen years ago Jordan Marsh built a store on what was a pony track at 15th Street and Biscayne Boulevard. sixteen years I do hope that we can Jordan Marsh has become a good part In that period of all agree that of the community, a viable part of our community, and work for our community. In that time I listened to many people who have come to our offices and talked about the development of that property --an amazing number of people --and there has always been a great problem that J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER • 4 (LA IWO* ellt titevalf Aktkoolt,,, Attitirunts I ,00p WO 10 ,i00414s:". I II 9fii 0$ loo)tolq WO 10 ithltitlit' w r 119Wa9v1 *fiafl1L1W .tril A ,,,ttoit 1438UR,..$114 toriJ lo eTed0014, 00y4I4 • .1P! _.-aacia love) asta. Urfw: tu.!entoilvs i.tud rsi .b7aveltsea eftysttelti r, fle*. ifidd '1)(04 ..tib I boop s-'arbooett ear! lieln'o **low ban -‘y/ifutitaGp Ituo lo berre,e1.1. .sraks -Sakt$ nr bokiit$ tirts::asaillcs /06 as orl-a-, -lad* 10 ;PttXt.4 4004 Alyslesit..asid e/eriS 1"440 F113010 r :7 has been created in the development of the prOperty, and that is in the cost Or development; the cost of develop- ment of the downtown area, the cost of land, and the cost of building. That has always been the key as to why thin area has not been developed. What has happened in the last fifteen years is our county has grown. We have seen the growth of shopping centers throughout the county. We have seen people move to the outlying areas of the county. We have seen business leave downtown Miami and move to other parts of our county. There really has not been a viable force to bring that back into the downtown area. That is part of the great excitement of this project. When Ted Rollo presented this project to us, we were --and X think everybody was --a little amazed at its scope, but even more so we were amazed at the fact that this man could put it together, which he has done. This is no longer a'developeres.dream. Mr. Hollo has bought the property. Mr. Hollo has raised the money to develop the property. Mr. Hollo has J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 411 o eri$ -Ong rts.t to if40 ►' age attO €t ► :1 ttf:; -:3' E3A d 64 J ni RI :1r.irj AWOb Af:t ;feteDit4k to ► i 3 o rt r' _; •: f I. eii5 ni WOOtd Q evssi 9W .ttOt410 !+let#- tttubt?i ' TT! !, .: -7'-!M4y iguoo 910 JtOt{ tJo'Ytit 87atriea .erft 'ZO ene'li : no imeiM nwolnwob svesi 8eenisri: . 311ttC ": iJ s nesd for* :sari y1:tet+a. e%sit^ nexs nwotttwob ettt aitti toad it t . dootoxq eitil iv /ttsntslioxs df bniiteasttq olloit be siwr £ - b 7 Ifbocirtsve Antif.,. I t!t z-- erf .. sm.s eisw sw oe `9.0r.l n vp1 jud a oq ;, 7W1/9V01 $1 tug ,bl.am firer eta./ + t:; :g©lsveb'" c Tepooi a ©1'H .1M - fi}l „ 111 ;ai aHT' •/17flgoJ.$ ittpti od a F . Yfii9Gip x +s golovsb 'V33e0 fiz !9 TRtl44 t • deVeldp►ed the plans to develop the property, and now is working toward the full developmentof the retail end of the property, as well as the living end of the property. Now, that has not been done. We are not talking of a dream any more, we are talking of something that is here. Maybe" that is why it is so controversial in the minds of many people --the scope. Greater Miami has not had a project with this scope. Greater Miami has many needs. I could look at our own business just in the downtown store and what it contributes to its community --over eleven hundre employees in the one store, a payroll well over seven million dollars a year. Multiply that. Multiply it as to what it is going to mean in the remainder of the commercial development in this area. Multiply it as to what it is going to mean and what it will bring in additional development in the downtown Miami area, be- cause it will excite other developers. We have a vested interest, I think. We are part of it, but I think we also have a great $sste,;-: interest in Miami because we are part of it. I do not think that this community can meet its needs --and it has J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 4/tell:rig aril 10 $4 fate P.aalt orrob Rd A . ; niAlz 91A 9W ODIMITIOIVI9szb A oa ztt vs t 444t 9! . egona srftt--s156044. Irviftsg )o 5 r, i --1! r ,71 .sqopa i4 44,11c toottrig, s Lr,ti -f yusra asrf 11214114 ILtsfett) rzwob ILt t assittaud •fIWO *1;TC Zt evo--yilrartrimoo e$1 al elagte (140 910 III Ft .T1041011 tasy As sl b ,^10 ,rtisrno trid. rit • ftlten • 0.1 pnlop. TL •SATE R1IIj4±,-,./t1Spiti0.1',11.Ve Is; istiw bt19 nOslIn o$ praop 14 Iwoinwob 9r1 ssisgaloveir •11a$4.0jovab lorlio.s3/1x$ LLF, bsltztv svirl sW !3vsrl aals sw lott $76 5.14 SEIPL0 .4111iiM J't-r-4 Cr :t f: ni .t7' / Jett)! nv) ylinunuago 5,1 14-3 alipa flj1.144.14i315 3-14 49 .1.1••••••••••• many needs in the total Miami area --unless it develops theincome, unless it develops the people to produce the income that will enable us to build the parks and take care of the many other needs in the underdeveloped areas for this community. We are for it. I think the great, great number of people in this community are for it. Thank you. jApplausel MR. HOLLO: Thank you very much, Mr. Ruben. I would like to call now another neighbor, a good neighbor from the Les Violins Restaurant, a fine gentleman who found his home with us here, Mr. Jose Currais. MR. CURRAIS: I am Mr. Jose Currais, more known by Jose to all my friends. Of course, you have to excuse my English language because I don't speak too well. Well, in 1962 we came here, my five partners and myself. We have a lot of friends from Cuba: Mayor Bob King High, Mayor of the City of Miami; J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER olgo .. qWild I9b(Tt; sitti^ tY U Ilw !UMW) srii rtstid .I - .4.1 101 434,9W 1°3 £ : v/i r,I *- aE,ti AI 9Cgoa;1 . t16y : AnadT tsatutlggA3 ucy Ir£adT : l..$94 'aon f I go DI Oil hlb� r I ss?r er:ifoiy 29d sdmoll xadripi:,r. '. e29d r ±W ambri al, 5dj • bauol 0,7C W rT.:-. . 1!- I : 21AVIU3 . fI .tbnot•xa Yi Ilb c� of 9Vhe Utrf. , aeT{ OD 3:t XEoga j'nt3b I s,lur,n.,,. • Steve Clark, City Commissioner at that time; Lou Price, Director of Publicity of Miami; George DuBreuil, ex Vice Mayor of Miami. We talk with all them. More or less we wanted their advice because we wanted to open a nightclub that in some way has to be something different - something like Tropicana, that I think that more of you know in Havana. A11 of them tell us more or less these things: Be careful, because in this city there is no possibility of Pink Elephants in the kind of nightclubs or supper clubs. All of them mentioned to me names of clubs: Copa City, Vagabonds, and other ones in the small islands between Miami and Miami Beach. But they told me always, "If you and your partners think that you can do it, go ahead. If that is what you have to do do it, because that is what we need in the City of Miami; for all the tourist that come here we need those people who make ambitious developments and convert impossible dreams into realities." In this way --in that way, more or less, were born those two nightclubs, Les Violins and the Flamenco. J. P. GREEN 5/ave op/06; - 115 441 'J 4 • t -I•i 1;1 i1,44tt' 4*0 $41fil':, 11.911 $nsw ow 9tti4O14•10*-1,Vik#04 1-„r- dJortoo. od 0$ slid OlOn Jr,di Affi r $04, ipszt,..tqpxT 9x.i e:ot ..1(,)t, 4" j v To oloa tu 110 $444,4o 44 yilo eldl ak soOnood,lololAD boIX odJn.L4,040011 ;141'1 Io b!)(10//otmHAMAJ to 11A .advlo o /orizto bna othand.apnV otlip r4(1'.1 ,soG insiM boo Isfs44 neow;od tIonj/op loolt bno opy I/7 isrfw al indl lX .bsods op n boon ov iEf ek „160 smo3 Jod$ 14itoo o41,14p, A a/noNlolovob tuolJOas u4cm $1 51441 ent5o7b :5,11 1 yAw 00.11 rcd ,2dololdpin ow/ .0aor!J rvr. 43340 .1 3 _!. And, of course, you have to suppose that we tried to be something like a small Las Vegas in this City of Miami. Now, more or less, those dreams are realities. In all these years we were inspired by persons and projects, even those a little bit crazy sometimes, like Mr. Flagler and his railroad to Key the Empire State Building, the John Hancock Building, Mr. Daniel Hart and his Fontainebleau. And the last project that I want to men- tion is this same City of Miami and the Dade County, because it is itself --you know, if you look to that seal there, you can see numbers 1896. That means that it is only 75 years old. I think that in some ways it is a crazy idea, and this is a crazy more or less city, Miami, with all these big developments, all these big things, and all Miami Beach, and all Dade County. At the very beginning it looked like a little crazy, but all these projects are realities. In past days, I saw in the newspapers things like putting elephants in pingpong tables, and in J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER aia='t sxb eeod riotri exaw �►:' d 0l141l z 9 3t t.td bits eto 7M a tr ,'A ataoonsH rtriot i tb 3ua gfsi^ 1 lard rostoiq i i stir NIA =sU o t brrs kt*k 10 /3 9REE 1 = trot rioy I voat` GSM l tdT 11.101 . ca'Q8I '$! d tun 'ass rrE r!vr' 3":1 •bwo /It Jafi1 iftiff3 �i- Xis ,aJtiostgolosvbb ?.. :. .YJLL c) sE.sa iia bars , ri5as= :;;LT) 31i1t1 ��[ bsalot i 4rit ILi '47S3 'aysb.a*s 9 AI zlnar'go.is 143'9F Tall that moment, that very moment, all those things came to my mind, and all those advisors and friends that I mentioned before, and more of this I compare with all those other names and projects that I also mentioned before. It is for this and that other reason that I am here today, to tell --to tell to all City Commissioners that when you vote today for this ambitious project --against or for it --think what it means for the City of Miami and the downtown area. And like those two members of the Planning Board that when this project was heard by them explained their votes, they told: I vote for it because this kind of development is what we want for this beloved and young city of Miami. Thank you very much. [Applause] MR. HOLLO: Thank you, Mr. Currais. Now, if it is all right with you members of the Board, I would like to call upon one of the trades who would like to say something to you about our develop- ment. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER k j; r ;'':\ o .etff 5Ne lid* *In F f i 3 3 i ie#' of --lit} 6$ .♦ ;:tz fJh .t o l u r:.>ol tov toff, 1 :telly n i rid - ! ''so1 ' o i e rt k r, r: . A 1' ti Wcl i fi ad bran i ; • ,. °Y:�drr r,. owl e$orti gni brat frieff stW rterf..r ,ne Ji 7(73 nlov `f f lo.)$ `st'T/ 7c0. i#.OW elf _szlW S �1 'Ci n't,f=)t: ; .,kr.!5_. .%Yn IsemIqoAl :f ip.i:z "It k ii n F•'.3it0 .S .6 Ta cite r.' 53 I would call Sam Duke to the microphone. MR. DUKE: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Commission, I just happened to hear the remark of the City of Miami being incorporated in 1896. I will have the distinct pleasure next year of being installed as president of the National Association of Plumbing, Heating & Cooling Contractors, which was incorporated in 1893, so we are about eighty years old. It has been my pleasure in traveling around the country representing our association to meet people in all walks of life. I am always proud to be introduced as the man from Miami, Florida. Then they ask me questions which make me feel that nobody under- stands that some of us people live on the western shores of the eastern coast of the Intracoastal Waterway. A lot of people throughout this country do not realize that a lot of us live on the mainland of Florida. One of the things I wish to convey to the Commission is in my travels from coast to coast through- out these United States, city after city has the same problem. Everyone is complaining of the panic to the suburbs; of the refuge from the downtown and core area J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER tirdomff ado its . 4est n ttz prtis:+d to I'' *' I q to ttOiSs i .1)10 s'rs oy rzi sxusi*iq-y tsssd aid -SI >1ooesz Too ittlitezgliri nuoz+ r•J OVVral$ .^.zi . s tISw ' • hbJ ion, 1 titian Molt owl Sri on JsclI I1431 entreAS+vit*iiiS4:3rc?ij� w a:1? no svii .algo9q .;u )0 9:;l5,''' .'': 54 leJ .h1' oz/Sni" .e,did Jason nu`f.1,, {:. oft ob �a. .Intiaa ri.4Ytd toot putridi 511 'o btt>aintset lift#rte evil rr' -. • Oi ds iw I sacitta $di its snu • of Jasoo moll 8i9vsj$ ys ni G r► (141 1194 4100,11 g =15i7 stiff '!3 pnittisiqmoo.al onorl”•,, f!4rOt17.W017 041 moYZ 9 v3a7 K rsC97F. TSL:O:♦ into areas other than the concentration of buildings and populations. You go to Boston, Pittsburgh, Los Angeles, and Chicago, and every one of these cities is trying to perfect and perform things to bring the people and the projects back to the central area of the city where they belong. I urge you to respond as citizens through out the country have responded in city after city, recognizing the urgency of rebuilding and rejuvenating central systems within the core area. I encourage you to vote for the adoption of Plaza Venetia. Thank you. [Applause) MR. HOLLO: Thank you, Mr. Duke. Now, you have heard of tangible things, such as banks, money, labor, businesses. There is some- thing that is so much closer, deeper, in all of us. If it is not, it should be. I would like you to hear from the spiritu Representing the Episcopalian Church, Mr. Robert Bell. MR. BELL: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Commission, my name is Robert Bell. I am a member of th J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER .3 . 2 A bttoCte ,Amt, Y011a y►iia A .4 20P9� ex bno Nr1b,E1 rQax,.l a X oPaa s;e _' tie btxs 0 1 , 0116 •.:11eq o / ons I .beT .EldansV eusiq epzu I !►V$4 V x. Si t'o: n 00i4ob4 sett BY 7ftlit T [4011;1ggA] • xf; , uoy )trtsd : 4►3.I0g .Fitt i pns.t io bxasd,,.r vett moo ,wok • a5e4snieud 0040 is Ri , u.ciseb t' eao tD tbum oa niSd ' ' b+i u o r, i' : } 4 Inez'! n i tto y ;# , L : f tiAW 7 ! !iAi i. d � i . ;rr s ..2,[s Kaa#a .q •L Chapter of Trinity Episcopal Cathedral, which is the governing body of the cathedral. I am here representing myself, as well as the Dean, The Right Reverend George McCormick, Dean of the Cathedral. He happened to be out of town today and I am representing him. We at Trinity feel honored that we, like the City of Miami, are 75 years old. Trinity Cathedral, as many of you know, was started by some of the great founders of Miami. In fact, the original founding of the church was held in the parlor of Julia Tuttle. We feel that there has to be a revitaliza tion in the downtown area. This is close to our hearts because Trinity has become, not a neighborhood church as we would like to have it, but we feel with Plaza Venetia it will again be a neighborhood church. We sponsor such things as the great organ concerts --open to the public, free, without charge We feel that this Plaza Venetia will again revitalize the downtown, and we at Trinity ask tha you vote in favor of this today. Thank you. [Applause] J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER -i ttw #if 1 %9 to* ,t' lepift ,lggMr! .rrxri ptelittott ?4inttr:i Leaf ytinhl? PVT Az .i xT . bie sv$ K '::C.' s ,Utz V ° o 5,^1b a vd hoO ts111 law '; Itt `Cs:t 1.-n v tiMiplvo gift jo 12. ` .Jtmt;xt` iuT 521 t1 to 4011.1 44 :tit hlfst:. ::: -. .• =t1 O/ sud o• ril- . sd$ 113a1 L H t{T . g.wxs awoIrtt+i .,.7 xorld isa s Ion ,# taosd asc +ir. .;... Sod S 11 av5.41 o f a a�r:.:is t!�us x� noge •31-7 397 , o1Iduq gtIf o/ roV tiff./ Jliti1 .l .j `ary b.is , nwolliwob :is7.i J s S 1. . yisho3 y to .tioT limn? 43 , h=vafi t$L ybod StAit a , brit�'�i.F • 56 MR. HOLLOt Thank you, Mr. Bell. I think there is more depth to your words than maybe meets the eye. I appreciate them. I would like to shed some light on this project from the standpoint of real estate. We have some fine gentlemen here to say a few words about it. I would like to call Leonard Keller to th microphone. MR. KELLER: Thank you. Good afternoon, Mayor, and Honorable Members of the Commission. I am an owner in the area, and it is very seldom owners do not object to something. I built the Bayshore Towers on 18th and Bayshore, and I own 19th and Bayshore, the Miriam Apartments. I think it is a credit to Mr. Hollo and his program that almost everybody here, where they usually oppose him, is for him because of the scope of this project. Let me say this. I see this project as the weight in the balance. We have Biscayne Boulevard that is very limited in its power to develop. You have J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER li emoa b94* ; .shales Ss€ 7 eb/ow �+'s :xE 08, fp1414. n $ L3a19 ' bxr,rosd lien. e/ O$li _ bi t*w. 1 b riG i . u;yntti� YoYr;Ai %nopill!lta ooa . t oL4e;irate J ,s915 on: 1 i . X9W1,0 -Ari.: GRS 1 . pr..k.`flsma o; Jps Oo Jon ob a eizY:, brzG N9lortay.4g bits 4181 no eY:wC;rz . ainemi7cgA sal -LW sfi$ r 3To .x,b.'.rxo ti 6. .$F Irani I .evene3cf mid 201 al oh! a � . �r,. m 15a I �{ 9V1:l: !3Ei •13 is x9W . sPixsdad rli a j rz,i r;a7r!• nS�CI Tut,:. j. 57 got short blocks. You have got commercial developments going from 19th up to 36th that are very limited and will never have any real significance. Maybe 25 years from today when zoning is changed and properties are torn down, but in the next 25 years, ladies and gentle- men, you have what I would call an amateurish develop- ment,compared to most metropolitan cities,between the Venetian Causeway and 36th Street. Small lots. You cannot do anything with In order character of a big-time them. for this city to take on the development, to compete with large cities --we are now considered one of the most important cities in the United States, but we cannot develop it because we do not have property that lends itself to development, other than the unusual exception that Mr. Hollo is developing. Here he has depth; here he has property. Here we can get big-time significance. I think that this is the balance of making Downtown Miami something of national significance, and it requires some consideration on your part. This i small compared to what it will do for the City of Miami. I am now not thinking of Mr. Hollo and J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER Nest 90A6010 ne*:, 4917Sti ; yr:w, frigolq titknot nodw a•s' sisipt--tt 11/4tEltitt 1. LI ci • - • sttzb itt iLtrio-qatow 'sew !Iv asIttogotitta $stirs 0.1 11sm2 .tsfinS3 tiSat boa yewerimo:.' .fittlitt d3iw .pitictlync - 01 yik* a itit .1'61 -Ishio-rit ,.ittsfrigoisvith s eno bomehltino6 won *%& ind y$7egotct Ivsti Ion ObAiw oeusof.Id 1-",..unu OrUtfirA$ 161110 ,insagolev91) 0,; ed 31911 .pnigoi-evoi) -liS?.ft1SD SW y.1-to,•.,-1 • : '• sd sri/ ei itnitt$ I noil ra pnirUsnioa vjoy no.tirtoblenoct eniott cE Ukv ikJatiw hs.:r. -1M 0 pnbLniel. /on won 113.Viii) .t 1/ 41 (•"i1R 1IIE 58] his project, I am thinking of its absolute importance to making this city one of outstanding character, and 1 am proud and happy to recommend it to you. Thank you very much. !Applause] MR. HOLLO: Thank you, Mr. Keller. I am also appreciative of your analysis. We have also a very fine gentleman here representing Keyes, a real estate business. One of their outstanding vice presidents, Mr. David Sokol. MR. SOKOL: Thank you, Ted. Honorable Mayor Kennedy, Commissioner Gordon, Reverend Gibson, Commissioner Christie, and Commissioner Plummer. It has been my pleasure to have known Mr. Rollo for the last seven years. At the time I met Ted I was the sales manager of the Miami Beach office at that time. Since then we have all had the opportunity to see each other grow and to help one another. My first meeting with Ted was assembling the land where Centre House is at. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER AAT . 7,f4 t uoy A tad • s , oa.i 3 riev a.4115 avid SW �n baud n1Cles ,teen , es1931 •#•Y palbnsIaluo i df o 9rt0 • OD , ybsnno?! xo M sid;naomof ; iatiD xsnolavintato3 fflosdi xe 2 9iq yzi need ead II -T� k.'•'.!.s I • n7„Atey itrisa lasf ssi:f : f: is iIr orb /4o laPsisut es.t x.x.; !JET! 1111 SVAri9 tsedj saa! - ..G ern (lied 134. bnti wo • bore rftiw p. llgai- 4012 i y1 5 HC,U” IV.t rj,› I can tell you this: Mr. Hollois a doer. He does things and he does them well. He is a family man. He has the support of his wife. Arlene is here in the audience. And a daughter, Sheila, and a son, Wayne. He is also highly thought of in every community in which he has built. Before he came here he built in Cocoa, and he was very highly respected. I know him to be a charitable man, and a man of vision, and a man of courage, and it takes a man of vision and a man of courage to do things --just as the president of our own company, who is going through a trying time today, is a man of vision and courage. These are the people that help communities like ours, like Miami. Plaza Venetia, without a doubt, will make Miami a showplace for tourists, for the residents, for the people, and I certainly hope that you will vote for Plaza Venetia, which would be a boon, not only to Down- town Miami, but to all of Miami. [Applause] MR. HOLLO: Thank you, Mr. Sokol. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER al BR =f9t'r4 ► It s has , s.t.$10 rructrrnon y#evo t# to 101 I spn i ct Sr srf • rfr, mA .9nr7ter.=n. Itfpiri r. c; • vi. i'1�i d:[id srf oeti star?,eri axols OIdr11114t10 a sd (0.,a1131 von I i has prziop 3o has :3oi2iv lg ans s 44 ,ysLad 891d1rruramoo aXad t i eigoeq 9.1d � . ; _ • r,. 1 —j l i xaaa 3o rtsx s bra ah oh o$ speuroo MAT fi 5: s ^r el odw : , Vrtivimoa a 0 Ic$ o 1: ttr)b 6 rio fi` ,s.LleneV szalq 9 r! { J.©.i w ucv r) isrij egod ,tials1703 I bar> dcrs , nodd A 9d b.tuow tdw 131 DOy • .1.1441m $p ?4s 91 dLR1 • f r:if �.rr Iaa4lggA1 X rr rl T : °'I 1i . 51% haaRo 4 .L t . 60 I think that the Honorable Commission would like to hear a few words from the standpoint of utilities. I would like to introduce to you Mr. Trembley from Florida Gas. MR. TREMBLEY: Honorable Mayor, Commission, Florida Gas is certainly behind this project I think that it is going to bring some of the people back downtown, where they will not only work there, but they will live there. I just wanted to have a few words to say to you about this, and I certainly do hope you will vote for it. Thank you. MR. HOLLO: Thank you very much, Mr. Trembley. I felt that maybe last, but not least, we have some very fine A.I.A. architects who would like to say a few words. They are not associated with this project. They came to examine our plans and they have some words on that --how they feel about this --just like one of your petitioners, and my petitioner, Mr. Alfred J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER X o$ s: -lovc i4 old xotto. t 4stiftri f! ,r ! C)11. of r �y [ t.oW I Lag Z T . 114 T bolded 14X01 ! of sbF xo i i , r, t.t anfilq grid . to some pot/4 $ 44iop law (Iao let 1, Ys tt.. ezet!w w we3 E evsd o4 ►6.#. M $eu[ y sgon' ob yinisixeo I. bAs 1)1:t .IJOy iruadT v-r v troy tasdT : G.LIOR . ft.}i itrd ,ott,7,;1 :jdrf m 4,111 1.e.11 1 •1'+I..Ei 341 v:-ST"A nt t I) :LailntaX5 o3 1 t3 it-' iundr. feel yst1 yogi-_ftri{ w�. t xsx:n;a��sg Ys fins „zlono, r :110 .,4i . i. .r . :1, . Browning Parker, who wholeheartedly endorsed our plans as well. A.I.A. Now.I would like to call Robert Miller, 61 MR. MILLER: Mayor Kennedy, Commissioners, I think it is important to recognize all of the obvious factors and to present them to you. The fact that this is implementing, is the first implementation of the Doxiades concept. It is a chance and an opportunity for the City of Miami to seize upon the expertise of Joe Amisano and the planners whom he will have as consultants, who will aid you in achieving future zoning concepts. This project in itself is a step forward in zoning concepts. It is a radical change from any- thing we have in our city ordinances right now, even though it is being limited in its patterns by those existing laws and ordinances. But I would like you to look at it as visionary men and discover these opportunities that it presents to you for giving to Miami and to the downtown area a change in development concepts. J. P. GREEN COURT' REPORTER :us xado5i oa yhsrTtiaX 70' A. J to I IS psi tpo0stt _ ft i s4' ogm c 44 RM 94+$'.4119os" Ci of t)ia { s r s.t ra 1 e i id$ $a43 oa ail 'non bsi pa .!# t t tl; Antsftol ` :i r ;.cr °ro qo its btt6 aonfid0 a; al di 3n se.t.1sg3cs ad#, aaga cakes luenoo as avail ULw.. Sri 141,11 i a rtr Y 1. n n ) pair= sou rl ptsiva./du ni :: 2 ,• a r ai 1l.sall lk $astoocq e/r4T ql?fiLfirio 1.631bsT s Bi soonzniblo Yiio No n r i t r1 nn/q/ sg fi n2 .briar it . saansa,iblo bay, av , ›i o f t3:t Joys 9 L L k .71jRzrri za:ic n gfiafid xavooaib b rr; Ct "7 o almous .Jnsrngoiievab nk 9pr, PIaai1 .(1 .C, '13131040,f) Tll,/a:� The project has been criticized for berg a --I think the term was "a blatant use of spot zoning." I think the men who are sensitive to the future zoning ordinances that we will be writing will tell you that spot zoning, or the grander term "location planning," rather than blanket zoning, is the way that we will have to go. And the two men here, and the men who will follow, will be asked on numerous occasions to pass, to approve these kinds of concepts. I would also further suggest to you that I think that Ted has backed off, and I was disappointed when he did. I would encourage you, not only to pass this and approve it, but for you to encourage him to expand it and enlarge it, because it is a conservative concept and it can be much grander, and it will do more for the City of Miami and each of us if indeed it is enlarged. Thank you. [Applause] MR. HOLLO: Thank you,Mr. Miller. I would like to clap my hands, too. It was enlightening. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER b u of tlet 1l14 t Wiw q t 411 Yaw l ` 11 vis rad, ` it i' •L" T _..11 Item odi T , , . f: l eel Yo , i ^ 17.r1:1 14Arit`.t f n t_ ri :t - erL+ Tina , s/sr bnA s s o o o e an Tov uet- -ha its * lid I i l w a s p ti t.r a itj `t7i►. t '' vow 3 a zw 1 btts 3 d 'bilb R: ate beT 9 Inn Lott , uay epeetvo tr t s'xuons o rroy:. l$' tud 4 i -i sRUtst3sd.: } s lslno bnr.r ,, ,•��. i beifi Y91)n•S`Y , hum 9d 1!!S7 i rr t taL ~ia rizis I rl 9 e t w :t T 2fiti # Ate 'vJ + • r ^ XrtstfT Tsauslgg41 'fnariT :0,141011 .4t4 Ksago 0_f 63 We have here, however, a gentleman we are very fortunate to have in our community. He lives here and works here. He is an A.I.A. architect of nationally known reputation, whose edifices are engrossing numerous cities throughout our country. I think he is desirous maybe to say a few words in connection with this project. Mr. Charles Giller. MR. GILLER: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen of the Commission. This project was first brought to my attention by a letter that was circulated to chapter members of the American Institute of Architects local chapter, and was sent out by the president to the members of the Miami City Commission. This letter indicated that it suggested that the Miami Commission wait, that they wait until more design. . studies are made, wait until more detailed design studies are made. There were terms in this letter such as "pot of luck," terms such as "the city having to accept a 'blank check'," which, frankly, under the circus stances and in view of the presentation that has been J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER :X(7o1Tx3 dpuri r 18711 •t;r: •zr- ,ttlygo, 9dyan euollee u ./.00tdzq *Hi dfly aox33enlio7 +c . 01 L D seltadD . IM 's b000 tl, tiiW .3iM 44001040 grf :} aetoxq 8LCT s' , $#$w GOa ae1=oD If -°' S3 sled!' . sbtm 13Ia txo . 1tsin 0O7q $ ari welv ;,* .'1 3 , r, 64 made by Mr. Amisano and his associates, I think is grossly unfair and completely unrealistic. I have taken the opportunity to study Mr. Amisano's drawings, as well as the sketches and the models. Frankly, I feel that I am in complete accord with Mr. Miller's concept: that this is being under- developed if, in fact, the project is limited to the 810 units that Mr. Rollo had suggested at the Planning Board. Normally, projects of this size and magnitude that have been developed in other cities in the United States cost so much because they are in the heart of the city. The land costs so much, the acquisi- tion of land, the acquisition of buildings that are income -producing, these costs are so high that private developers simply cannot undertake those projects economically, and in fact they do not. There are some forward -looking cities -- Boston, Philadelphia, Washington, to name a few --which have undergone urban renewal development programs. Those urban redevelopment programs have come out of tax dollars They have not been elements that have been developed and M . 011,7;" .7 .tt e rno;3 tf i paled ai Iasi/tan LIstitty 0. 'R tis`! zig sA:t j6 09 : 0)i3 s L a e i r; F l o spas PIIN 405. '.3 79114 ri Ft; .bO 9 * :goksti ova 14. t, r::" Si eau/toed -43 t kn.:U;oz tsi 3 , rfour3 oa 41,4,Ai ad? II .'�► s o i :� aPriibi.lud 3c xsplitairpoa `r rii r;p iti 7c sx$ .$'O.3 oasrtl :iao.d1 eAs$1 a r.:Oorttts-3 :ton al *mil - -,`;s al has tr egos ,ass east'" 5 $:rtiatt a,# ,no$pnirft s t �ui:ic fi [ )oxcj Jnetic aisysb Is;,,arts/ muilu no*1 sybri. $sitt 4$naseIs nas<? 14 3' : R t ,t A3TRG89f! ,Butz; a,'•r' contributed by a private enterprise. 1 think that this is the one significant contribution that this. project has over most of the urban redevelopment projects of other cities. This will additionally add to the tax. Objections were made because the plans were sketchy. This blank -check condemnation, frankly, I feel is very, very wrong, because in my terms when Mr. Rollo and the financiers who are backing him are willing to put up 90 or very close to 90 millions of dollars as an injection into our downtown community, they cannot put that kind of money in without having the financial. responsibility. That financial responsibility has to be reflected in the plans and the thought that has gone into this project. I think that the placards and the models and the plans that you have seen, plus Mr. Amisano's explanation, have been thorough, and I think to ask for more than what has been presented is merely sidestepping a very important and very vital, issue. The basic question we have here, really, is density. This has been where the opposition has come J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER )xq a b i 40 = oe to q Stamp ed o� 14a tilsa Hi t n '• Vic': 4 �d tl erg l In J r.. ., 9d/ saunosd tibia :new snn, foatdO , nol3brr tsbttoo Aos t:o- held a. ri:' am/91 vm al sauaoed , pnozw vzov y .. xs mid p iitnsd exs orlw axs.#onsa oh 3o anolilim',.,Of o saoio yxev verij , y/invmmoo nwo/nwob xpo o/ai 21 erii pnlvzd $oodilit ni Fyortart 3 y:.i.tidianogsex #sionstr#3 Jul! ',$d Jeri/ $dpuortl od3 Vhns arts.tcs .4 .4 ab/sosig ar!i led/ laid/ X a ulq . rssa sys4 uov 3sdl earl brzn , ripaosottl need ousel , no, +E ; • ri b33noe3Iq need es;, Isrw amrii I631v y/ov has Jnsllogr;i 7S1 sw Yxs v noileaup oiand 'i" l� iangQ 9d/ exeriw nerd asrl 1.12840 A 1-so44jH Tf1Uo: CC^ 66 about. If we do not have density someplace --I mean, We have to have density someplace if we are going to develop. In order to have density in certain areas, we must have open areas in other areas. Downtown, the central core, is where density logically and normally should be. It has the traffic arteries. It has the underground power. It has all of the utilities and roade and access that can adequately serve this kind of development. Now, I personally do not subscribe to the C-3 zoning type of approach, but inasmuch as that is what the law is at the moment --in other words, you have zoning laws which are numbered C-1 and C-3. I think we should take a look at what C-3, which is central busines zoning, would permit. I made some rough calculations and it became evident that C-3 zoning would permit up to 1,500 apartment units on this, on the residential side, and that is the eastern portion of this project. That is based on a land requirement of 125 square feet of land for each apartment unit, which is part of your C-3 zoning. at I». +frith is nis$20 on bas yl is3; se x . l she a9.J1d2tu brt t alit/ V19 . 01) LLRa b s‘ri•il 0J qt 100 el , . , 3:: 1.s.$ 911$ ast :rT AD 7osdus ±Of Ot!,V14,410041Z. 04011 riWintas, t t.434.02qqA 10 :fir*i ab=ow xstf.lo at- 7, m Acifj bets i:i99 F:S ri9lw f�frrn Cry EifJ IAn dPtio! *Noe sfmC,± J.irryzec bluott tglool f-9 .£f £79f1893 sildfic=�1 �t�T no i3i t 1Y ; r �3141.0.4 ,fI^.tH lg $ t". •+t, i : ; .- '; is '` '} s`zsupa Z., to ,Is s lups3 fan itts cl al 43idw onffini i w _G. F: Jr 79 + THEyos J:Uo:; 67 Now, of course, there are other require- ments. There is land use, land area ratios, which must be conformed to. If these apartments were of normal size, I also calculated that certainly up to 1,100 apartment units could be accommodated in the residential portion of this property, provided under your ordinance that certain prescribed amenities were provided -- provided for off-street parking, plaza areas,and other recreational areas. Your ordinance does make those provisions and does give credit for those under the ordinance which requires so much land for so much area of building. High density in the center of our city is a normal development, and it is the only area which can truly support the kind of activity that will be generate by high density. I strongly recommend to the Commission that they consider this in this light and that they vote in favor of Mr. Rollo's original proposal, rather than the reduced version. Thank you very much. (Applause] J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 80 to slew I 0,1 u /1 on # al 44 zuay xsbtitYt b114 eblY019 a% t 1e4 n, esoza safa., p s2[firf asob,osnattitqa 1:09Y ".b/w .saoril Tol ,its* 9 ►i 1441 01919 i s► i 9 1 T e3if!f, idr:3r7;:A it1F, a i r4 :t ix*e91a'f.[ f r'. jr 74.1 2ssxr; 894b brTn to x9jneo 9111 Al Y3i*49b .dP1H teas ydito 94$ al : i. bisb rt�ragta% �T r., t E I1110w Jtvi#oa 3o ba. ;4 Off/ 1, (1 f.r, esfj ort bnera tospl xlptto/Ja. :ri.i . b:rs / 11 gid3 # eifil xebieno:; lsepgc/c1 1147o a'Qi1oTt , ;`: . ♦gpia.},9v b .:,? i`i ugy,445471 f.'aUbiggA1 MR. WATSON: Mr. Mayor, and Mdmbetg of the Commission, the Transit Authority of Metropolitan Dade County also had something to say about density. I have here a letter written April 17, 1972, addressed to Mr. Tibor Rollo, President, Florida East Coast Properties. "Dear Mr. Rollo: "I have reviewed your plan for Plaza Venetia. I find the project most exciting and encouraging for two reasons. "First, as you know, the MTA is hoping to operate a waterborne public transportation service on Biscayne Bay with a terminal to be located at the proposed site of Plaza Venetia. Your plan for a marina at the site will mesh nicely with our proposed waterborne transportation service. We would need dock facilities and pro- visions for passenger shelters and a minibus loading area. With the water- borne transporation service we can provide direct access to Plaza Venetia J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER /Oa talktn -9 taOm�ts i 1.TM 9ttj otok _. A.. 'due/ onlodti4iiii gr t trtr, 1i1 C1r 1. `�Ur7,' toxe610! g ci ist I .slyngq ips7000Re )r ' sY qb n7is 1.7,,-i say soale no so irsot �tt�l#s cgar belsoc 1 sd ©t.. I i ii'7C1 s ti3iw . o.i sns,V sttsi'i 3.v. efh bee twig s 1 siis stfl iri sett �ttim 5 •sa'i nslr bseocralq zuo rills, yie3.la deer r r.iw .9 ivIrsa noililt tati/1 formed-1, 0r.. q bat as/J.1110a' 0o5 heart b.Cttr bns eisiieerth tsVttss$bq .'103 arrcm; sw 9ris rijlw n, e r4ur geV . be74 pa/bestir a t/d i p: s r, ► oiv oa' atii$aYagtrus/l r ! r Iq oi aaean �btv.sr . Haunt from North and South Dade, from Downtown Miami and from the Port of Miami. Thus, provision for our waterborne craft at the proposed marina will be mutually bene- ficial. "Second, and probably most important, is the concept of Plaza Venetia --namely, a high density concentration of a wide range of activities. Our transportation problems in Dade County are the result of the vast distances people must travel to work, to shop and to play. By concen- trating residential land uses, employment opportunities and shopping facilities in one area, the need to travel great distances is minimized. Such concentra- tions can then be served very efficiently by public transportation services with their high capacity characteristics. The waterborne public transportation service is a classic example. "Furthermore, Plaza Venetia should J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER Ilaxp onl -d *Tito0*ux ad rr l :team yl dsii0111 allaneV at1 , 4gpph+ sr' s 3o 1rt3p tUp,: t izna1! dpi d s Iowii.'rinil 10. ..49F041 P 97 o dj. y$41?417„ 9b$4 a 91 ' C; _9x/ 1go q, B# 2;144,0 a6V a+:',J no:. •tt . yaig c$ # .tra -qms , arizu brim i,+.; t ebias1 p41:t6•17` 111f.Dr3 przLggorla bps essx3i u�xo :�,•.; G�i7p I9vB i o .been 9f{w 0936 9 .anco :i x1Z . bat.lairira el 6 Soria -t ill779v b9v796 sad nsi1 95. iV196 pu #,ra eagerrs,x/ 10.13agE: 4p1. ls:>Jxn(18n61./ i..1 iq mn74dIs3814 r: Lt erl,' V %.9xwrzad1it1r . go a long way Miami area as County. This ever going to in bolstering the Downtown the economic center of Dade is important, for if we are solve our transportation problems (congestion, pollution, accidents, high operating costs, immobility for the poor, the elderly, the handicapped and the young), we must start thinking in terms of using what we already have more efficiently. By concentrating activity in high density nodes such as Plaza Venetia, we can minimize travel distances and make greater use of public tion, the more efficient means mobility. It is becoming more transporta- of providing and more obvious that we just cannot afford urban sprawl any more. "I commend you on your project. We need more such developments in Dade County. "I will be in touch with you concern- ing our arrangements for the waterborne public transportation project." 70 op bqo rani.. baggl olhasd pit '041 . ` , ctrt ns►rtlits2# ss.u<�► exomv6r1bs9Yt 9 "tarns Pttihcr : ., .ilos pnitailneb t4 , .11 'nsio .r -r r nss19 e8 do99bon_ $'lamb riplr' ,t i alb 19v611 9sint n10- 4ao nax olidrsq 3a. 99xr l Wbe:p 9.1frrl [) r7- n 3.o ars9r.: �ne2fls 39 a nos :stiff anus 970M pnimoond 'es '�33 T SGrt7! blox r ionn.r;o $aut oW 16111 auo i Vt: '-, .”Zi;Iola ^uo do n l b'l9fifAA9 3bbri fit 23,rt' vutoieVo. J ,dove 17onr t}mein: _o uov r•� iw dauo nz gd (1191cAlofl Yoe t # pAtg ,nrx16 Tun ilw 71 It is signed by Ronald J, Tober, Planning Officer for the Metropolitan Transit Authority, Dade County, Florida. I would like to file that as part of the record. We have concluded our list of scheduled speakers. However, I understand, Mr. Mayor, there are a number of speakers from the floor that would like to speak on the project. So, if I may, I would like to call anyone that would like to speak from the floor to come on up, please, to speak in favor of the project. MR. WILLIAMS: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Commission, my name is Lucius Williams. I am with the Downtown Transit Authority. I want to speak to you this afternoon directly to the question of whether or not we should change the zoning, or i ►n;1►kr, other language that has beer used is fine and well and good, and I hope to be able to assist you in the question of whether or not we should change the zoning from C-1 to C-3. Gentlemen, the present zoning for this site is inadequate and restricted and does not reflect �,y 1 N {may x ode,' o iiki . bOLOALSAV ltwstl aN + 70jSM . bith/nObar 9Vf)Wo3i t .-• � [, `u bI uop' isti i i `. RII ` . r .1 L �:�r•i bltsow I ores .t xt loaf .dostoV' 13Q71 isioqa. O*- o J. Niro J s rI J ram. 113- 3o 7ava3 rti[ega 03- q8 s; dingt�! 7ev_ t4 YM H.t t dirW . FiM CIS I . Errts'3; 401 at • in c id$ uc; off' )(stole of nsw 7 Jon ao iwilasiW: 10 sailssaup iti :i 4Prupcsr.1 744/o Alpteliti '/0 , uttino., o� agosf X bn- . boot ha* LS9w fa) 0 . inn pni.nos 794/ Will to noll-aoun .C-, Oi J-nsa41q Os neesiJn .on aeoL bru bs �#�ee bns a� ,,u � a. fl O .'1 . L _ 1. 41100yt. • the use of the area as a major retailing comMercial, and use which has been recotnrnended by the downtown plan, concurred in by the Downtown Development Authority, and concurred in by the Miami Planning Department. Unfortunately, no classification of the existing zoning ordinance of Miami can satisfactorily accommodate major development with mixed uses as is.. proposed here. I have tried unsuccessfully, together with the existing ordinance since 1967, which would accommodate developments of this size and complexity. Therefore, the Char before us for this site appear to be threefold. One, retain the existing inadequate and restricted zoning, and the high density area remain an open parking lot. Number two, grant a C-3 zoning classification with adequate conditions to safeguard the public interest. And number three, recommend the planning development classification, which has not yet been adopted, and neither was adopted as this hearing began, which has not been tested, and which will undoubtedly require a substantial amount of time to get operational. In all honesty, gentlemen, the latter J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER tLfls lftwob 4d/A vA .11tom;01440b'06/41P9a 9" Y4 ottelligea- r tqllitos.:.:) on ogs/sat/Io ilta Itsn trustli ontfirible rni 5exlm d/iw /to golsvob 7tcf.7. ,r,l!rtztoon.uano .bat7119Vt T nonle &t1ropni.1%ix.1 1)PS Lia_eidi lo atasm7olgivr: Alk3103 sei .eln4q-ae7 sa0 r1.-2 fis ,Tialoo= bsrni's- bnn7) s/cvalbs ..:42s-rAt4-- 1,nin!!fr, __'0,71110S.* ri 4 '.."417t *litt441* 144.1 bnE S _73 suggestion, which is a good goal to pursue, has come too late to be applied to this project. For these reasons I am recommending a re- zoning to the C-3 classification with no variances, and as special conditions reflected in the plans shown today which can be guaranteed by a covenant with the land to build the project in accordance with the plan shown here. / have reached this conclusion because I do not believe that our machinery or classification only adopted this afternoon can respond to the demands of a reasonable development schedule, but also because this development provides many direct benefits to the public, and it fulfills the public policy and goals as follows: Number one, the assembly of a large tract of land exceeding 15 acres; Number two, the provision of inside park- ing in numbers more than required by the ordinance; Number three, the provision of recrea- tional areas and observation decks on upper levels of parking garages; Number four, the provision of low buildin 3O77 �f► 9di 11.E n J c.a t� 44141 101 711v on iliw no: 2liatplo £-D ,r d,. anzlq sdi . nl batael sl epo Jibro') rfi is 4n*r.3Yon s yd bOaJnn/nu ? n q srt3 dikv sonstxoaos ni Joa(ol:; clsulonoa aid3 had*may avnd . ni osm to t0rf:4: ed3 of bnogae:Y nso noort7_)i' n -71d oasts Jud , 91ubedan ln ►mqo.: ev<. ? alnon9d ioa7ih ynssm as51vo7 J i :1r'", aIsop bras 'o±.taq olit101q on a i i s .a i ; to YfCrn`-'t s edl 19no "19t'ff 1j ;asxc,ri el pnibv3-,;1., o no.taivolq nets ,owl .1$,'.'zc,1i J�xa• rf ci9lkupsx ah it a-r,; Holm t t o adJ as d idf u'tf c r) no 2/3`.3b ,^.olJrvI$2,:!o bn5 i -, • coverage on loading for upper floor; Number five, offstreet loading and un- pedestrians and guests; Number six, improved vehicular access; Number seven, improved pedestrian circu- lation by shortening walking distances; Number eight, increased construction and desirable uses in the area; Number nine, provision of plaza areas and observation decks for hotel guests; Number ten, provision of facilities for bus loading and unloading; And number eleven, the provision of multiple building entrances to enhance pedestrian access; And Number twelve, the separation of pedestrian and vehicular access in some cases. Further, other specific amenities and direct benefits to this city, not required by the C-3 classification, but offered by this development, includes 50 to 60 feet setback on Biscayne Boulevard at ground level; a SO -foot setback along the property facing the Woman's Club; a 20-foot setback along 16th Street from J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER si is tits # ltit bg1 1' Ile /fttirauu ebog' ', ttsyss .z citclu r . 36oa eib prtbtisw pttInsd-;or Bnoe bless/nni , 3sipis Ye m,J11 i. sxr edi al 1_.74'1y q 3o no.Ie.tvolq l9nir7 x9dmu ; ;atesnp IAjorf xot agDob os3 3o notei.voxtr ,.ssl xec#wuvf e pfr.Z bE ;) I (r.'i ; ' •� r r .- r i voxq efts , neva.£e lad tun br - ybsq enn ri :s of a ofrex/rr y r:1 ; t Magee sris , Q,viex; ,101.:, < . �' '3at r;" :�.1 f, olnveb zirf yd be/s!'iro Jud 1/sT,zq tie3 prior t �Qn . yzio s s r joGI- r r, North Bayshore Drive to the Bay; a 30-foot the east side of North Bayshore Drive; and back along the Bay for a bayfront walkway, setback along 25-foot set - which can ultimately be connected to the other private properties to the south, and ultimately to the park to the north. Over 73,000 square feet of required usable open space, and 50 to 60,000 square feet of open space not required and not calculated in the usable open space figure. For all of these reasons, I recommend the change in zoning to C-3 with no variances, and with the identified public benefits and amenities being guaranteed by a covenant to run with the land to assure development substantially in accordance with the plans that you have seen today. Then there is one last reason that you can be sure that this is a good development, and that reason is the architect that has been hired to plan this project Mr. Amisano, a fellow of the American Institute of Architects, is competent and well -recognized in this country and abroad. When he signs his name to it with his credentials, you can be sure that this is a good J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 1.1 $wile/ xt '4tc po J 10 :f esi 6215Ir. a OOat;t%' .'N.i;:7 YO CrICUPe 030,tn O ht ';,enr,„jC E d. ni b91sluolso 1 bin bsxl typo -r -. 7 , a rco s3wt °d ell$ I o Lis x0 1 r , ssonal/av on dt w t_D of u : as yn l etif t#31.s flux oi -a.-;s , Ine?tgo'sv6 g oop s al gift:, ' Jsn7 nat)FTomli 3.rtt io voi1; ems,''7 ah f unpla eri : erm development and will not adversely affect the growth and potential of your city.. Thank you. [Applause) MR. WATSON: Thank you, Mr. Williams. At this time I would like to offer the City of Miami a restricted covenant which will run with the land, which binds --I will get to the meat of it. This hereby covenant contract, which reads as follows: Florida East Coast Properties, Inc. MAYOR KENNEDY: Mr. Watson, let me just interrupt you for a second. As you know, Canan Gibson got a surprise telephone call on Tuesday morning, or Tuesday afternoon, that he was appointed to this Commission. He has a very important engagement in Orlando tonight and it is going to be very difficult for him to cancel it. He is going to have to leave here at 6:15 to make it. Now, I know that will not even give you time to finish yours, and I know that those who are opposed will want at least an hour or two to present J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER i it r', . ; P, .1 x00V o oz 0A44. *04 i.1w siolf{w ItiAnovoo be$11138oT s: dsom et{J 39p .iixw;Iabnid t losxfinoo jtiatfDVO`J vrislot{ C^.1rd;'' Corr ` 131 , itO8lsW . /M :MUM i r07;; .bnao9e r Ir;:. s JcP noedix rtana3 ,wohA unv w?, -;; xsba uT xo , pnInlo r 'rnh airT tT 4,46 911 . nola i mao3 alAt oJ r�,3Jri '. r± a 1 firts Jripiaol obnsla0 ni : i.19111 -, t,,. are . Z i Isonzo ,ot mitt xoa. . t i o:.srt o:1 C i.: €i a z r`. .:. % af3V9 9atf 1Stw i .f +Joni: • :1."�•. oft t32 O,'tL J6c11 won/. `i' a zs<'i oi ow; 14 iuod <1G Jese+i Jr. 7rt itiaaH;J .9 . L • • 77 their case. It leaves us this way, that we can proceed with a four -man Commission, or you can ask for a defer- ment. I know it is very costly for you to put on this presentation --to get all of your people in town --and I know it is very difficult for the opposition to be here because they have taken time out from their jobs, also. COMMISSIONER GIBSON: Mr. Mayor, I will say that I will abide by the decision of the four rather than inconvenience you who make the presentation. I want to be as understanding as I would want you to be with me. I would abide by the decision and would not say that I have been outdone. MR. HOLLO: Thank you very much. I appreciate it very much. MR. ROTHSTEIN: Mr. Commissioner, -if you have to leave before a vote is taken there is no way that you can cast your ballot in absentia. COMMISSIONER GIBSON: There is no way? MR. ROTHSTEIN: No way to cast a ballot in absentia; no, sir. COMMISSIONER GIBSON: That is all right, J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER ew dhrf iYo% ,tas rtmo troy '1O A-0 g of mot tot vila00 omm--7is'> rf .tzr i wart-: T ii at11o9q• a :, 'tt i9 •Bt) { i-'-!'ir •:r n9r.f,no noiliaoggo .3Rf ' o '.-1:0011115 trn,v a 72ed1 mo7 • tto #14 svr,ri v.Y..: j f r7rrr:o!)(f' XrM . YM : T+fO2arD R3N0I22IMMOD erfd to noiaioob add Yd 9'Mcft 1 flw •f, .• sin9aezq 9d olsm oriw srov 9Dnoi n uo� Inew bluow .I 11s Arilhaslr. z 114 s,r ,; r),-( r;a :fore bluow 5ns nolhiosh. 1101 vd WT' v?7v trod., Mind : oLi4IcTi .AP' olan.immro3 .1M allE 't':NTO7 . Sid r 7xsri neAs1 ei sdov is-xoled . r iirtosds r. att) of tisw p :PlIaTeriT )r -A iss4T t�Y = i f%> 'V ! : %o8QSO 5I34tr)r g2I'kti07 . i r3r109ZIq `FUu" 78 just 00 everybody understands. MR. HOLM: I must tell your Honorable Commission that we are under the wire working at this time. Every hour practically counts. You are well aware that these drawings, upon your gracious approval, will have to be translated into working drawings. We have to start in November in order to complete it before 1976, our bicentennial year. In order to complete and get this project started in November from these working drawings,on a project of this size it would take a large office a year and a half to do. We have authorized extra help and overtime for architects to accomplish it by November so we can start. We are pleading with you to hear this case tonight, and I understand it, I understand the implications, and I understand completely that if Father Gibson has to leave, he has to leave. I appreciate it. MAYOR KENNEDY: All right. If both sides are--- Mr. Hacker, do you understand the situation? I cannot see who is out there. How many speakers in opposition are we ooy IO1.1 obriti uoY .alai on .yl ► i1C fi •tirt?'r —'t .:, uo. n xp loby tto4u '01 tkw t b s/b pnil./OV 151111 ttal' n 11 19:: •. Jap hr t b191qmot 01 14bIo iwhxb potAlow gzsdi mo 'Ind!ro vt,i 0 9pin.[ t', s sf Blow it ex. r vJrL �x xs bosiloue sv,e' 9W .oh ;:J-+ 3sf o1 uny :1 iw pni bs9 t n ; ? y bnel + bac111 1:n., I Snit r <, _ =,711 i I . 9Vf.91 f S 8'st) vi amleocte ;►'Ir .. ;, _ ii.. • going to have? tThereupon, the opposition Speakers from the audience identified themselves to the Commission.] MAYOR KENNEDY: About five. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: I just see three. MAYOR KENNEDY: Mr. Hollo has said he does not object. Do you all object to going through with the hearing if Father Gibson has to leave? UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I object to the extraneous mattersbeing read in length that can be entered into the record, such as this covenant. COMMISSIONER GORDON: I cannot hear what you said. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I have got to go, too. I have got employment that I absolutely have to go to. I have spent the whole afternoon. MR. WATSON: This completes our presenta- tion. MAYOR KENNEDY: All right. Let's start with the opposition. Mr. Hacker, however you want to do it, erfls i$ be i r:a 961141601 er1t oolatilmmoD .sviI JuodA llatiOgX ROYAM a;rt I :3IT8I$(It R3ROX2aIMr OD asrf o1 Ioh .114, : YG3t435X S?OYA!,F pnlop of Joetdo Lin oC! . 13 ft t ; r;,, `clot at art naad1D xsridaq 31 prt:169., tdo I :F.a:tArqu Qa1'4I`:24antuu 3tidl ri/pflsi al 669'I ntrisd axeJ/m T von z kdI 25dova , 51() 9Y sr:f J' bnr:no I : „OIROD aatiOiU`Itt.'"J`) _3vzr I :,`i2XA252 ci t 7'i`WafTTriU Jzri$ lnenyclqm.1 lop . L o o r l 9:i i s 9.t U.!iw air(T :102?2TA .411 ri• ' .1Audz 11A :YC1fljUX aOY M nolli:3n, ffi!',f :.i07 7£iv941c7e. `l orP M xY 1'1 l s c i! .41 t. you may proceed. So, let me just have the understanding that when Canon Gibson has to leave,both sides know he has to leave here at 6:15 to make an airplane, and there is no objection to proceeding with four people in this Commission. MR. WATSON: There is no objection. We understand completely. MAYOR RENNEDY: Do you understand, also? MR. LITTLE: Speaking for the people I represent. we understand; yes. Mr. Mayor, Honorable Commissioners, I am Steve Little, the current president of the Florida South Chapter of the American Institute of Architects; therefore, the signer of a letter which I believe you have all re- ceived, possibly with the exception of Father Gibson, which letter I was authorized to write and submit by the executive officer of my committee. I am here this evening in an attempt to clarify what apparently has been a misunderstanding of the position our chapter and our executive committee wish to express in that letter. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER ebsf?tIc.,-1 istbn0 aril oVsst. Out fUodoitilsolo/ asd nOsdiD nPnr. ns1q7is no dtism ol 21:3 IS -gooq wot r(ikw psassoolq oJ aoi-: Sol Arm Iltdo on ni o/oAT :i!OBTf..W al9f1 41obau ut5y of; :YCLTHWAA q0YAM ft tol pnlASeqR :34TTIZ ,Ir Ibso/au9blv ±ettimmo0 olds7onon ,n)ynM 4 f.)di lo in6bia9lq JnalTun 5di Io sloilinnT uoy Dvnlied ftidw IsIisl lo noiigooxe 9ei 9V ban 9::17w t1• )5,7.110d4116 .sel/immoo ym P(1)Vs irLj oif mr .-7.sbnuaim n no3d acq 5vit,3D9xe I:41n V3j(7.1• .-lejA91 J;11.7 C.1 7Y-r. (1 Hoyt is14 i 81 The first thing I would like to underscore causes me to be here with some mixed emotions. I am not absolutely certain as to whether I should appear at this time or prior to this time. There is a statement made in our letter --perhaps you will notice --with sufficient emphasis, which says that our chapter does support the project. We do not object to the project. We have not focused our attention on the project. We have no argu- ments with the developers as relates to the project. We certainly are not lacking in the vision that has been expressed by many of our fellow citizens here today, nor are we lacking in the interest of the community. I think the members of my chapter would cheer the support that Mr. Rollo has represented here today. I think it is an encouraging demonstration of the kind of civic action and support for visionary projects of this kind, which we as architects. certainly must encourage. However, our letter attempted only to raise caution, principally to two areas. The first area as it relates to the speci- fic project is the one to which I am sure you are all sensitive and aware, and that is the question of adequate J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER P ,'''7r: ,•E 82 assurances, from your point of view and from ours, that the development will proceed as it has been presented to you today, both in word and in drawing; that the same level of professional competence will be applied to the implementation as has been evidenced by the work done so far and the fine presentation by a person whom I admire, perhaps --I might add perhaps more than anyone who has spoken today, Joe Amisano. But we are concerned that there should be some adequate mechanism, some assurance for all of us that this type of competence will remain available to the developer so that we can see this visionary dream realized in the way we would all like it to be. Our second concern, which is the same one we have confronted you with time and again, but which we possibly seem to be in a position of restating, because this is a matter of concern for us all, relates to the possibility of the establishment of a precedent by a change of zoning. And our concern here is the same one which has always existed. We have all experienced instances in which precedents, once established, tend to remove from Ili bluow I pn14;! faIk3 sl9 oiloms baxim smog ti* W bf orta Z •zotitaaw of t nJe n c . sI ,dm .3m tJ eirL .y .ter Lirr '3'% /,tt L1t'i voy Rt A;i''.1 .. tool, i89q At) ijo htiJ i;vb8 , oatol ,q111 of zontdo Jc.,n nb ' i 94x1 . ina[olq ar i rto rtoi tr.; Ara .o.L alv 9 ni alit ?`:� �F $ r nti.fio �ao."[na iuo to t•��r �,., str 1sr2ria). u:)w .t i'xtfin i . ya ,oi 3L9ri bzJnop,. .9.,nam. 9 , to ram;=r s. f17, 6 is `•. "1 r'7 i ri s 9 t• i. to W9IV riff •` as*p q Illw icier" t VlIvsib 41 bt n bt.qw al "31 qqs sd it iw oonsl9gmoo ode Yd bawW31ds tTs9d aarf as n, R dw noa lsq s ycf noi3sd.nsaeiq in.i O\ t1S riAdJ— o%om Agsd/sq b5n . oanaimA qo;, di /Wiz' 69n79D30s 31,6 9W . vC xol son=.lusas 1%moa ,, einnduel- St.itfT ilw s;.ixsl. qaon 0 olel.v ; J1fj 992 gto ew 1Ls biuow 94 11w sz;i 174'10':1,i rn, i P: F.J..�:. this body and from the local control of those interested in the environment and the community development the prohibition of its spreading. I will not take your time to point out the illustrations, because in deference to your knowledge of the problem I will simply conclude that this was intended to be our position. It is still our position. I would like personally, and not as an official of the chapter, to add one comment. I would personally like to compliment Mr. Tibor Hollo and his staff on the further development of the concept which has been presented here today. I would like to think that perhaps our earlier meetings were instrumental and bene- ficial to this extent. This has been beneficial to us all. Thank you. MR. ROTHSTEIN: Mr. Mayor, I think for Mr. Little's benefit I can advise you as to the two Questions he has raised. The first question as to living up to the presentation; as you noticed, all along I have required that they put these matters in evidence with the Clerk. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER d- 10 i tVat, 041 amidin±: TUoaial Jon 11Fer 1 UO\ 01 60042914b (xi sadsond moil tins Ptlit $ Jatil abulit00 ylgmit IllI 11801 'iu 11114 81 rta otliratoexaq'aiil bluot4 nalAt200 ono 1:11)4 o001osrin ":r o udkr.Tfi 1604:11mm:1a 9)11i r 03 oril •10 iliscuTolevab niiir -7! ;:t7 9111 b.tw»r .vfib0/ 17.ft.:1 -taco-x:181a Slaw aptilJaan —lartsd need ad LhfT .1r9.1%e flOy Art5;IT . 7.1! :;1177,21iT0H uoy s217!..14 nat.) I .1.1'ts- f ;. • nr-ri iti • v;.1 oi noi1acisp 18.111 arl'r ri I 'pr;0113 Jiw If.10311311 9:).11151'va 01. "viati:r1:) 8,-.9114m 1::01;i _ to ; t, t " 84 am going to further aek-- Is this young lady your court reporter? MR. WATSON: Yea. MR. ROTHSTEIN: --that this be transcribed and also be delivered to the Clerk as an exhibit, in full; and the covenant running with the land which you have, which you showed me before the meeting, which refers to the plans, will have to be expanded to include the exhibits and models and the recommendations made. in the presentation, made part of the exhibits. Now, with that covenant, then --this is the type of covenant that the County accepts in large scale projects and uses, and the County Attorney has ruled it is valid, and I, too, rule that it is valid as such. As for precedent, in the future we have prepared this PAD --planned afea-deyelopment'ordinance-- which will make any such project tions required by the Commission type of meetings that Mr. Little subject to the condi- after first having the referred to, where there are conferences, as a referral to our Architecture Board, the Urban Renewal Board, our Planning Department, and which will in effect do the same thing --make sure J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER :too° Ittoy $.41414044/01 o.1 tr#Oit .set. 1140810 ,Pm alrtt 1,5111-- Oft1TaBTOg .g•m xg its •as 41040 ad/ o/ bwx9vi1-.1) L1Ie4J.diktcpnindul InA(Tgvo:) r.jr faipS019rii 9101*1 OM bevolip, u,./" bnacixo od oi 4vsd fliv 91:4 (-4 Sabnerivi000'x pril bras .19bOlfi 17217f- itixo effi ittri obi= InolJE,Jrrif-- El: 11 t 1 d4 OrtInsvoo indzf ddtlw a/qanls ylnuoD JstiJ VnuoO ei baE Jul sdi ai ,/nob91(1 11:0 10-gmeTo/g7gbAWIs:basniilq-- LJ i5fat.37.t1 yrisz • L 7 'fur) oi 151151 AirtniA '11J0 usi!99:: tt odzt of) .4 .1 2 85 that there is constructed on an overall basis what is presented. The only way that they can do anything but build what they have represented on the plans and the models and get any changes is by going through the whole scale process that they have been through now. In other words, if they want any changes of any substantial nature, that will be up to the departments looking at the plans and looking at the presentation and looking at the models, and you would have to go and make a new applica- tion or an amendment to the covenant. So both of the problems that Mr. Little has raised are taken care of today, first, by number one, the covenant as I have described it, and number two, that it will not be a precedent because of the fact that once you changed to C-3 there would be a code and have to comply with everything in the code as it exists. Secondly, in the future any such developments can only be presented through a planned area development. COMMISSIONER GIBSON: Mr. Mayor, may I just ask something of the last speaker. Mr. Little, was that his name? MAYOR KENNEDY: Yes; Mr. Little. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER .0% d tt t? b ns vro as fib, 510 . i t itC1 o al yAd1 d004` °loot Vino 9dT ♦ :.� �: 4 'T I. n c3 ertt rtb ztoitgatupsrx, ;9VAi tL Pniopjd al satfat##o Tim i nP ripno%di flood 'axial 1a i4 .Jnrf.•t r.: F =��17 due Fitt lb sei t'tteo s ('ta . tasw N!.9,1 i a"itV etnsc isgDb 931 vad JJ try+ JfieJ ban nh,i tsinoasuf 9dt to pni: n eAsm btrs op of ffivwf bt s0ca irc,'( sctt;nsvo9 edi of lnambn,rrr. fit:t am9 f (o1q edi ao tf ocf •o2 30 eaus3nci Insb9993r s +on ;• _I :t ,t J _10 ! 9d hIuow 9~z9f1 -') cs ;::fr-,-, 1.i.. ,. 7 C an flho..) 9 is ni pniddy :tov ♦ I!3:tf;rjq a fans :)4-fi a } 4 r d COMMISSIONER GIBSON: Mr. Little, please, sir, would you help me here a minute. Did you hear what the City Attorney said? MR. LITTLE: Yes, sir. COMMISSIONER GIBSON: I wanted to raise the question of how do we fulfill the requirements that you raise? Did his explanation adequately take care of us with these two things? MR. LITTLE: Sir, from the point of view of an architect and not an attorney, they do; but the questions have much more in the way of legal ramifica- tions, I think, than architectural. I do not feel competent to respond. I would have to rely on the legal counsel who are here for their evaluation. COMMISSIONER GIBSON: Let me ask --- MR. LITTLE: I am not trying to duck the question, but I do not really feel competent in those areas. COMMISSIONER GIBSON: All right. Let us assume that the legal part --we have to, because that is your line. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER A VLD 9d Aft: t t sd x ►rtL'oyiii<< -lia r89Y :31 TZ'.J .RM /a:5w I :110aBID. maiii? aaI?4Mo') atitrp9z er i ILUU1u1 .-Av ob wod yl slsupEbs crokl er5,Igxo eiri i t'apnidi nw: <,•-.• :t fit••ri 9t0 moll ./la :aJJ Tl1 .AM yert t , vgrt1ct;1a as Ion bruS. •.7 , psi u ysw 9d gi o10,17 (ft3Lt r, . Ls/0*s/idols asdi : i } , rv7. 3x a� Jas/lgmo3 599!. ;ton oh 1, olw Isanoin 941 no t rr� t ior, :l, I •:iaTTi::i. i. • _t. r- } r 871 I am concerned about adequate competence. That is very important to me. I understand that. How do we achieve that or be certain of that based on what you, as an architect, conceive it to be? MR. LITTLE: I feel that in the area of the physical environment, of course our chapter and our architect members and other architects who are not necessarily members have some expertise in this regard and they can contribute if given an opportunity to revie the design as it develops, and to report to this Commission on their findings as it develops. I would feel it was perhaps unfair of me to suggest that the covenant that has been suggested be extended to assure that Mr. Amisano remains the Commission architect. I have, as I said, expressed personal knowledge of Mr. Amisano that he is highly regarded, and I feel, and have felt from the beginning, that with his leadership and his ability we can all rest assured that the development will be competently implemented, as it has been competently conceived. COMMISSIONER GIBSON: All right. aba lOod fts1219Ein0 ii6'6± Ott iIrtilt 6J $ftis1/64.4m1 d /o sVoinot 4b urdli -r 47.,f4 1100J IdOlg ag “ittrk 1011'4 110 ?n inel I :3,1TTI11 .RM do '100 9t1.060 16 A tinm11071V ! - f.NriV tio9„tidols /ndlo bars tIsJno-I ni oz311.secixa 9mon qvmd Iedt ii J7orrio ns n9vIll II oiudIltno-, ol bits ,nciolovelb 4 ' :4 .1nifT —lc/of9v:11:71 ts tpilibaH ./iOrff ecllilol :1 nW .11 1911 blvow a.614. tsrft inflflevo!) onsaLm% Jr.,t.LI ( btEn svE vilpir! ai /f,(.4,/ onseirlA .1" ,pni..nnIpod Se1.1 mo-si 9Lntt) 9W v:!ilidr IIA .,!IInsJogmo) 9! 1:.zsl .69Virr.?,flon !!. 98 Just one thing finally, sir. You understood what he said? MR. WATSON: I think so. COMMISSIONER GIBSON: Is there any objec- tion to his line of reasoning and thinking? MR. ROLLO: Yes; as to the covenant that we already have prepared, Father Gibson. / also will agree to the covenant, which I already have agreed, between Amisano and myself; that he is going to stay at the helm of this project. COMMISSIONER GORDON: / have a question -- again, to Mr. Little. You did not touch on --and I wish you would your thinking as to the use of the planned development in developing this proposal. MR. LITTLE: Yes, ma'am. I am glad you reminded me of that. It was not a part of the major concern expressed by the committee, but a number of the members of the committee on several occasions introduced the thing into our discussions because we are concerned and have been for some time with the absence of a planned J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER • n sxsAt ii3C►lm is citatIrincc cpniAnirtl has painons91 to von add 01 as ;x'. Y 101JOH . A!A s 1 .noad1 s ovsri 16)sa/I t I dnidw pnlop al 9r IsAJ i $L9avrt r)rtfi oven T ; IOti1OD ga► m a t!.r (V'? 9 4:11 J -tt., t, 015v', `iw I bar;--nonoun$ Jon bib u-�Y �b raartos1q sri± o tau ar;l o.3 .1sE:ogt7'.o 11. is 1. ♦S AS I .'7 3' lim 1 aoY :31TT I s , cr>a ;ours ndi Io lxsg a Jon 3o oadmun s 1uc' 3 im ro�a :;rid ..., -i ox.1ns. cr•.oiesao it,svhe r'i`) Ion zn _ _g etusosd enolanvppib , r•�. 1c1 s^Reads sril 1/ w iJ qE n• t2 I ii.0 .9 liffn 89 area development ordinance or planned unit development as it is sometimes known. We were, however --all of us --in the dilemma of recognizing how much more beneficial it would be for this type of project to have such an ordinance in effect, and on the other hand also recognizing that no such ordinance was a matter of record. The timing has become, in this instance, one of the factors which exercises pressure on us all. It is difficult to be in a position with a rare opportunity --which this certainly is --to do something which can be tremendous, can be great; and on the other hand,because of the necessity of the urgency,to find ourselves in a position of having to do it in a manner which raises these questions. And it is really only that. With the planned area development ordinance in effect --and as Mr. Williams pointed out, had it been sufficient testing and operation at installa- tion time, I would certainly feel that we would be much more confident with a development of this kind for which the ordinance is created, where it is subject to those conditions. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 1l th b' o .1nf.4!- to is w if .%'low 3 1t.0ef9d !!"los ifnitm.v pnininnons ns boon ovad o3 $oota7q .3a - ^ i .i -: nisi1TUO of oaXi ba6r tnito drti nr\ .Ujoa%el Mo utlIsm 6 aw .'•his:. { 90 b; a •t . L,hsi ;iL al .:i *HE $u no 0'.1j:.8 -,..., an iffw--11/Inu/*sormt3 9167 r_ _.t a 9d tri 4`:1 odL 1'o entraoscf#5nve 7bA o 1TU�J`i C�Qts n ni .L 3 t aoup. aairizt, $�3?i, -x 79i2:1r;r —.tog ►Jfa;i:+ r' t ar.) 11. 1 .1M es c gar ow zi,.rf 30 • ... !i . ICt: 4 / COMMISSIONER GORDON: Are you familiar with the ordinance itself as it was passed an the first reading today? MR. LITTLE: I am not. I regret to say that it was a complete surprise to me that it was going to be presented here for a first reading today until I heard it. I have only had an opportunity to get a glimpse at it. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: The chapter was not brought in for consideration in the development of the planned unit? MR. LITTLE: No, sir --not at least officially, not through my office. COMMISSIONER GORDON: I have a question to the attorney, since you are the one that spokeof the covenant. I want to know, if this were approved in this manner, with the covenant on it, and for any reason whatsoever the proposal were abandoned, but the zoning had been changed, what would the position be of the City at that time with regard to the possible selling off of parcels of this land with this change of zoning? J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER oz.6:. OttotatImmoi A 3'14a 'i roar, t .i. � r► Ist i sin ni 9gEtc Iv eis is rrtao 'l-11t# •'. '{'1'j ?'f' -7' f- Y it •/Rrff 04 ?ii. bssz st . ,$ $ -01 5 5 s.��T i7:i:7,,rri? yilnuiioggo as -brat 1'Ino wise s tF '.t.' seT :3ITZISilin Fa icoI i;It vsb sdi ni nolisIsbI2sxoo Iol r:i if ion is ion- .; . f s3vsft I : rOc ()) 71311OIR"!','MO`. sn* '3ff.1 315 LJOV sonl 0":9n _ s!rot.s I L:anfiCI' i noiliso diPeog Pt -'aria ie i!tl i' ,� a1i�- swat 15 :n H ; i a • MR6 ROTHSTEIN: Madam Commissioner, you show great foresight in the question; and the answer is that under the covenant binding the land, a covenant running with the land, it cannot be used for any other purpose other than the purpose within the terms of the covenant without the City Commission releasing prospecti purchasers from the covenant. I was going to suggest some 60 days from now when the PAD ordinance was to be in effect that you would vote to designate this C-3 as a PAD C-3. COMMISSIONER GORDON: What do you mean by MR. ROTHSTEIN: Well, we are providing this ordinance that when somebody comes in --- COMMISSIONER GORDON: What does the PAD stand for? MR. ROTHSTEIN: Planned area development. COMMISSIONER GORDON: I knew what planned development was. You added a letter and I wante to know what you were referring to. MR. ROTHSTEIN: Planned area development. And that would make on our map itself a J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER bag 001 s 1 bnsl. etId '.pnibaiti 3 t53 beau sd $onnzt It '3 el adz n 3 f;!'1 t W1-i1 ?�f ),'rrsrttr�s 9ti1 raitLt.w ,9 o ` ttq 9 Ci n 4i '1�3;110 c3�+,5Ytt^ e 91o1 no. ±moron vt.:0 sill rr4 :.i E .3f Mt9VCi� 911 me�� + „r. rj77.i12 smog Jesppu' of palop esw Tile _ii oc o/ axiw ssassib^lo lirs`i r:.> S •c,. 'r!o.r, , D Cii q s es- £_D e.'r,1S sls p.ienb -1 r b i s:rfW : t'OGIOD Ra ,OI L:I MMo ) .sas sw , I W rYaT €T jo ,; " ..M x afono3 'tbodsmot nerrw .J n1: :wsnA I 71fO0s o 51;II907-r!)•< ,•, dial. 6 +bsbLP SJo . € _w ''fay. E1.raOxr7 „t(5r1 ';5 ; t74 I 92 clear record notice to any potential buyer that they just cannot use it as C-3. COMMISSIONER GORDON: In other words, what you are saying is that this is a designated C-3 PAD area? MR. ROTHSTEIN: Right. COMMISSIONER GORDON: And that all other PAD areas would then be C whatever it is PAD following it? MR. ROTHSTEIN: Exactly. So that there would be clear notice to anybody looking at our records that you cannot do in this area C-3, you have to know what the permission of the Commission has been on the use of PAD, and that in effect --- COMMISSIONER GORDON: Why do we have to wait 60 days to do something like that? MR. ROTHSTEIN: Well, because the ordinanc will not come into effect. We have a second reading, and we have a 30-day effective date. This is not the type of ordinance we could pass as an emergency, because but that would only be for record purposes, because I go back to my first answer to your question: Nobody can e J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER sauonarmmo its 0 9114,11 • kalash A eat eid/ 1941 si pn.tyvi , r. . J1piR z:t4IaT"}3To1r .PM =rt brA : CiOt 1O) Avor2aflY a q EI xevaIGnw ed ;, 1:10%. / i pft,L?'eof hcidvrs o L i 41Z , r vsd i3n7 , C --,') EtIU Rill } Rill Lam, a. ob .#f: p `r5 -i, ed s:taf`, noi€ a C'T-To lei ionc^,�n .i r , yri r ; RO{? i.00 fra;1 i1Z123-7,111) 94ria:)3d �l o 3 e z+ r `-' N .% ti 9 W . 1.1 f 9 a'.Ctf't` .910 ey t,i..1ri 3 ;s e9a6gwug blo991 a771 rt•. , 93 use that land once that covenant is filed for any purpos other than is set forth in the covenant without the City of Miami Commission first releasing it. COMMISSIONER GORDON: And you are satis- fied with the covenant? MR. ROTHSTEIN: Yes, ma'am. Both Mr. Sonken in the County Attorney's Office and myself are satisfied with it. We have had an opportunity to review the law and it is very clear. Now, if I understand that, Mr. Little, if I understand it, then, Mr. Hollo has agreed that part of the covenant would be that the gentleman who is the man who prepared the plans -- MR. WATSON: Joseph Amisano. MR. ROTHSTEIN: Right. --will continue to be --- What is the architectural firm you use? MR. HOLLO: Mr. Amisano will be completel and fully at the helm of this project, the entire pro- ject. MR. LITTLE: I would accept that. I do not believe that it is appropriate, J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER A iw taa#61 * .1.1 . pf c) 4i161 $0 0a a 4axit . o:ia2 ;c; ,r,,.-, udy bftA :t OGAO;D gO0I38IMMOD clop roved orilt .ns'bn ,esY :f113T2HTOR . 1M f;i has snk.1i9 s' yortxa$JA yfnuoD F. ` : r C ;4 .;,,ry ±audxongo no bars ovbti 9W .I i 1� .� '�r .r 3 y �:,• LP1 , iaiij bnslo73nttu I odw crr;,n!I1rt9h . sr;1 9d i�Zrl�?�,+ �: e�r:: riTV/,:., Ff!� --aaLLi4q 1- )+ 1 . orzc? 1,R t`q9&oL : i103TAW ..ri jsl : YIRTBiITOP . Rf.t --3d of Lit1f .L. non lI VTR II±. onsalmf. 3'� J n itiJ I goons bl 'o:`t I : (;:au'• iil a r1.13d 9.1j j; Jf ai t jf,r!i 3V3 Ivd jc,c; r ` :I. .c as I indicated when I made the suggestion, which, inci- dentally, I made in jest, that it be made a matter of covenant. I do not believe --again, not speaking as an attorney --I don't know --you can, by law, force two people into a contractual position. MR. ROTHSTEIN: The answer is very simple This is a project contemplated to be completed by 1976. The effect of this will be that if for some reason the architect cannot comply with continuing performance, or they feel he cannot, the only way they can put someone else in charge is by someone of similar caliber accept- able to the Commission at that time. MR. LITTLE: That will be fine. It is perfectly in order. Thank you. COMMISSIONER GORDON: I have one more question. I read these minutes pretty thoroughly, and I appreciated receiving them in this manner. It is easier to read double-spaced than the ones we normally get. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER oolIst obrAte 7sq n.be , "aoR d 95 The question I want to ask is this --and this bothers me because we have a little condemnation suit pending on some park land. How will this affect that as to the price being paid for it? MR. ROTHSTEIN: I do not believe it will affect it at all. In any event, prior to the time we are having the trial you will have acted under the PAD, and it will be a PAD C-3. At that time there will be no effect possible at all. MR. GNORGE ACTON: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Commission, I think most of the things that I had intended to say have been covered in this last bit of conversation. I will try to be very brief and not be redundant. I would like to say, however, that we are not on this side of the room because we are in opposition of the project. We have tried to state very clearly that ours is not a position of negativity. I think it is regrettable that some of our fellow architects who criticized this letter did not take the time to come to us and find out precisely what the intent of our objectives were. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER &ton e1 irJ :Iliw won biati load 9W '° s q 9MOR rv' i I ed i tt ob. z x V Z 'aoTOR. .RV ors f r.*)oixq 44101.0 'gip ni . [ i n atom; hot sVAd 11011,0X . As i' r j orf or73 Ss,r!,t tlIZ i - . R .aM 0J11111) OR c;OArifi: o±ii o Jaw; IIi fLT _ i bl-levao rresd 9Vf3i2 a s V131.7 od 01 T:';i :3i O:(iI i)l rJr w 1. f ow oall:_. r}u .mood, r.�f nvr,11 :-9 Our main interest here is to attempt to protect what is going to happen to the City. [Thereupon, Commissioner Gibson retired from the Hearing.] I think this covenant is an essential part of the entire agreement, however, there is one question that I still have, and I would like for someone who is aware of the legal ramifications to clarify this for me. I would urge you, if it is possible, to tie this in in such a way to the new planned area develop- ment so that this will be the only one that can be passed under this, and any future such project will be subject to this kind of review. This is for the simple reason that he and this project -- and I think it is a very fine project for downtown. I think it will do all of the things that have been discussed here today. I think it is something that we need, the residences downtown; what we need to revitalize the downtown. But we do not need this encroachment on the waterfront on lot after lot after lot. Our Chapter has worked dili- gently, along with other members and organizations in the community, to save the South Bay area, to prevent it s Oi al g%Od gtfLtVID .N01.0 810 ot ntOtil oA ttlioll) i oadiD isnoiatimOt [.nitssit ae nB ai InAnovos Sidi Atidi 1 s/sn.1 ‘19V9WOn ‘19111991pb sLiI hiuow 1 bilt-,.avad IfiJa ro ort Iswq sdi Io oldjaeoca 81 i sio' splu a bennzlq wsn adi t n.,-)Lt77 17:7 zIirLtsno vino ri 9d illw pOtO1C1 ZiOU2 911.TiUa bns loa al zif.T .waive/ to bni:4 .nini I blf, ein4 bnE T .nwoj-nwob 9/0d beaasmaib need fiiVtr! enJ ,been 5fil pwob enJ ez:i115Jivol ojboen t)ffi no inemo.50.171no 0W 2En itoiqzri:) au() •7!ol • • • 97 from going the Way Miami Beach went. We would like Miami --- as you knOw, in the parks, the acquisitions -- this, again, is part of the objective. I have mentioned to this Commission before that I have spent some time in Madison, Wisconsin, in school. Here was a city surrounded by water and nobody could see it, you could not get to it. Now, isolated instances of this kind of encroachment on the water can be very acceptable, but if it is a precedent for future growing, which enables other people to go into court and repeat this, you are going to have a wall of buildings and you are going to have another Miami Beach. Is there some way that this can be done that this is a one-time thing unless it goes before a review board which judges the future situation under our merits in what is good for the City? MR. ROTHSTEIN: I think Mr. Acton will tell you that the ordinance that they passed on the first reading today provides for each step of review that you are talking about, and placement, location in reference to all natural bodies as far as ecological J. P. GREEN COURT IMPORTER toy •es xm.ek'i w Dri•" i ; Z, rrc w�.W ine E 1 blitiito 9Si nisps t aIt . -.. anotileinppi, Jno0 Eif. Oi bonOin3m cvii I o2ibsM ni 9rrs3' 0r402 .111terfe 9v ri • sir d b9hauo sru2 n a13w .i pi i0P Jon bluor vo ' .c ac :fIF, n.i baf£iiOca _``joss \r7t9V s0 aso xc;isw 0E-11 no fw , rti oup ;rlriu3 xo J fi£,3i431 flllr .1'xf1OO Oiff r uo'' Tarifa paii*Llid 1O t._... floosE ; F o aaoinu c. ..f i' i._ c'. c: ;(;y c.a } • 98 and environmental needs that have to be considered. That is in the record. Part of the reviewing group is the Urban Board of Architects, I think. COMMISSIONER GORDON: Yes, that is in there. MR. ROTHSTEIN: We have covered everything COMMISSIONER GORDON: Mr. Rothstein, I want to ask you another question in regard to that. When in two months this becomes C-3 PAD MR. ROTHSTEIN: Right. COMMISSIONER GORDON: -- it will then come under the Urban Review Board and the other. MR. ROTHSTEIN: No. The only reason for passing it, we are taking care of everything that will be in PAD under the covenant. In the future we will not have a covenant, we will have a passage by the City Commission of approval of a PAD project of such and such form, subject to such and such conditions, which will be passed by you. Then that is the applicable control of the project. Because we do not have the PAD today, we are doing it by means of a covenant, which is legal -- J. P. GREEN .• !,:qaulo7tI lanOo 9d o vn ibin t).04.41..V9i :644 -71b.'1,0)51. 1 ‘einelitioa-sT 30 b1f,0,3 511i .asY :k0PROD AHMOIUMMO:.) _ysevoo eyed eW :14141.'2HT051 .FIM 1.1oR .11,1 :140CISIOD. 313110I2%Iiit,102t foaepsx ni. noilas.vp Jection.s ;mooed aidi arlInom owl ni 11.9rilk .Jr1Pig- :MtaTEHTOA w :X0aROD AaMOIZEIVIMWD .'terfic ed_lt br.47, b/soa welv*e a: •ylno eriT .oM :MIdUHTOE pndrilyzevEJ lo e-lzo pnikei ..Insr:evot) Off. Vfifi j0i 1/.1W SWSUjjrj tYr ril vt...t.-)671*T "..‘: :2-1...1'1 • 3..LaELEMITIOD ,,.:ID eiii T.?.d opf.,;!azc1 .- 'I- ' i i Cilia r.rto a rbua: ,521:,-7, if:-; u .6 I -., ci begs.eci ed Hirt ..iffi- 'T.c, loJaup I Slifirl jot' of) t:3v,' 9..-2,,fi.6!D9f1 ri.4 ,inEnsvo E ?,:,..) ailf.ftl Aa3no t %I:MORS TA U 7.d TI • what we will do when it becomes effective through the ordinance. COMMISSIONER GORDON: That will not supersede us, then, if we change that? MR. ROTHSTEIN: No. The only purpose of passing the PAD is for the factor -- as I suggested -- that this cannot be a precedent, and it will be clear to everybody on our mapped designation that in order to do any kind of project they will have to follow PAD process go through an environmental test. For example, in the PAD we have even said that the City Commission may require a feasibility study, a traffic study, a water and sewerage study, an ecologi- cal study -- from soup to nuts systematically. This Commission and the Board and the Department will require that this community be enlight- ened completely as to what the effect of the project will be. COMMISSIONER GORDON: Do you have the covenant here today now? COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: He has already filed it. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER sip.= isr1T.. 0400g0D ASMOlettiMMOD 'fsd3 eydA o sW 11 tnedy yin() 9riT ,©M :KIST8RTCH ') a I u. i ^-- 203Osa 1 o 1 "i U. /S Iliw .L fans , 3nsbsseaq s ed ni Jsdi aoi.Js Zp.Ceb beggsm aun 1.701,101 of evsrf I1iw yer1rt I E .i Ae mn o - _t. \T 9W GIN efiJ ai ,oigmsxe so' 12E91 E 9'Tilupel ysr; rsoi eairTmon ,.,. D1J3a 9;ys ewe . has le !_w % S.isoi3srts aya as zln oL ' =: jDusoE erI. bns nolaa ?Jinumrnoe 2.Cr;i fir!Jsdi 9"fi:3e'r i:95 ws 9rI r1 .? C + a 'ic v c•C.! : WOQS?QD fi' T_C 7;_. I : HIT2I1H;, `" 3VO : f !`A tTJ vaaai ASTAL'y R i 11+0:: 4 100 MR. WATSON: He has not filed it. COMMISSIONER GORDON: Oh. MR. WATSON: We have added to it verbally COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE`: Thank you. MR. ROTHSTEIN: If you will turn to the final page, I think you will see it there. The two features that will be added to it will be that not only is it subject to the plans, but it is also subject to the presentation, to the exhibits, to the model, and to the agreement by Mr. Hollo that the architect will remain in supervision of the project. MR. REED: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm George Reed; architect, Coconut Grove. We all have strong feelings about the desirability of having a project such as this to enhance our downtown. I think we have thought and dreamed about that for many years. When you see a large parcel assembled, it certainly leads to an expectation of greatness. The architects of the community were eager to learn of the plans and the imagination that would be shown, and in fact, we were delighted that Mr. Amisano could come to J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER he'll for; Ort : KOCROD S OId IMMO:; ilOST A # . 1.M oaTAW , q► .`:ttr�r1T ttlTit15110 gavtgati" tren i i i w no'i II : i iTMI'Tdr'i . ff y r # [ J3t " i1±w rro sift o{ f 1 i i o.' bebb 9d S i 1... % OPj5 ... .1( iud ,c'n Iq J i3 of 1..6 .'.iF eY1-d+ to.I t L".;ts. .:i .. 2xe 911y f� , toetos v i r i Juno- f tg afi :iY i� .i • 101 Miami and help us be better than we are; but I would be less than honest if I did not also convey to you my sense of disappointment at some of the results. Instead of kindness to our bayfront and the open vistas, we have here a project with mammoth compassion. Instead of compatibility with our surroundings, we have sky -filling view -blocking, intensification, and supersaturation. We have heard before from the professiona; staff, and we find that this far exceeds what your own planners think would be a viable project. Instead of melting into our zoning guidelines, we are asked for more, much more -- of everything -- and what would become, I think, the greatest example of spot zoning this City has ever known. Hopefully if it becomes the planned area development it will be another form of spot zoning -- perhaps with more control. But the by- products can be disastrous, for example, and it was mentioned a few minutes ago by Mrs. Gordon. Can you concede -- I can't -- as Mr. Ball's attorneys for the dock property not returning after this, but ask for the C-3 that they were denied once before when they were changed from industrial to C-1. And if they did not J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER ced .od am :: 0.1 Vsvr'rao 081,6 .Jon bib. I 21 a--)ny luael .. ertl. to otoe 3s aiv :nego rci .bna irrc alyad Vic) ^ _! aril .noiaaagnoe ri 'omrts,tr rl iFh :t evsri ew ,apillbnuoalma ilJo rim lw ±sa-i-gra brrs ,noiJsoi ianeJa , r eri.1 moat eu Ind baberi fa •sri 9W brie aL-ee^.xe xs3 airii . i0Jrozq eidhiv b ed blow 5 01.a EW , aen ii@b IJD pIIino:c: iIJC:' ,sr#W bnis pnidiy,eve yo -- Tqa aro elgrts :3 Jaeihe rp 1 Ji ai .nwory i v 79riJona 3,d. iliw i Jae1:1i ;;.! r.''•.1,.., i� Jr a . 0a rmo 10 y f. 4�•11 �--i . a :;M Ali OL7F •9111toids a l lizE Liu i/Iaa5ixo .`3 -L {:u 102 get it here, why would they not get itin court? And th result of an increase which you must certainly expect to the cost of; purchasing that property, the increasing cost to the Miami taxpayer in their condemnation suit underway with Mr. Ball's•people now. And the distinct possibility that we really never owned that property due to our lack of money and the bond issue. Also, that Plaza Venetia can be built to be more profitable for the developer -- a developer, by the way, that has already demonstrated his ability to super -site a site such as the Centre House project at Jackson Memorial. I believe we should think about what that could mean to our bayfront. You Commissioners in the past have publicly pledged yourselves to a bayfront that is open and green, and at this rate, if that took place, we would not have it at Plaza Venetia and we may not be able to have it along our downtown boulevard, either. Interesting, is it not, that the people who took out the two -page ad in both newspapers claimed they wanted a better downtown. And that included a large picture of our park and open waterfront -- just J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 07 oo ni ii fist' yer#U bloow vriw rr. i s 7 go . aram nay 4n s:tiw 9, sriJ Y /sqn q irez n.t 4 to zrrc 3 �, irmebnoo xJ:eri ni ,l y&qx.s rim InA . iorr elgosq,.i;'tlsa t;hri,t bsx o -.revs(' :71.i. zoa `z; : r.;i_• IA . ax,sa.i. bnod Lrxt vsnom .z o o .1( 5.7 -r o,:, 9d o .i i l i r, ci 9 d y:sw or i yd oa.:10.z1, i'E, aD3[OICi 9eMO ;trii .1 b.iioriS ew c.�rr ,ioY .i o avi z:i , . }t E visa icy D9).b' i,'J re.<O) U110 is i,79:1 i' jOC: ii i r1_`3Cjr1 L c 103 what this project is not and never will be. .The developer has described for us his more obvious objectives; the access for pedestrians, vehicles, service and transit systems. But these are really not qualitative experiences, they simply help the project to provide a method for claiming all these parties and all these people to one spot. To do that and to increase the return on his investment he asks that a number of streets, City of Miami streets, be closed and turned over to him. By my calculations he is asking the City to give to this project 1.3 acres of land, valued roughly at $10.00 a square foot, for $565,000 worth of City right-of-way. That is a land giveaway by the City of over one-half million dollars to permit him to saturate for profit. That just cannot be fair. We must be entitled to some concession from this jumbo project, some relief. And another point long and loudly plain is in regard to the tax benefits that this will have for the City of Miami and the increases that will accrue. I would like to refer the Commission to • t t Jbfs c' bs.tti'Eoa4: •aSli IOgdiOvob QfsT b e col eceoot =6Ji$ 'esv:ilooi_' in . aftisdgya Jdatild bfts So ;T,, Yr3Ci ,gooasilotixe i: t n f i ti u- pai rislo Itolt bo`1f,l9i' % 9bivo.:IFt .3oga o,ro elgoeq oavfi�� r'omi8sva.i aid no IIJi I 9(i,.t .i,ms iM y i'D , aJool.i a uDfso yr v *mid oi 1.9vo J o o t o .f g o f 9 v o oi of o'lfs pa fs 00.0iG th - JnftT .=rE��r-lc;- tici u .i i a :lid -or .) f:t0 • S bn!:rro l Jr1i00.j Li Er,'s a�t:,:;e- t €3f3 P:1.i ' r. A an article written by Nicholas Vdn cloven of the Washington Post that appeared in the Miami Herald on February 9th, entitled "Hi -rises in Downtown; Saving San Francisco, a Case History". In that article Mr. Von Hdven reports on the urban crisis of San Francisco and the investiga- tion of thirty people in San Francisco. I would like to quote a paragraph or two from his story. He said: "The group included thirty people; economists, architects, planners, and desperate citizens. "They soon left to see if they could find out what had really been happening, having followed all the best advice that they had been given; to build more high buildings. "They found out that in building the buildings in the city downtown, that after looking over the tax rolls, the government budget, the numerical flow that comes out of modern administration, they found out that San Francisco, which has more sky -scrapers than New York or Chicago, is destroying the economy of San Francisco. "Far from adding to the tax base•- 1 10 nOVOH,4,- :ati.0401K vd ne.1..:(i-ry !--,tr.,:4... • —r.; 4 -311 imii11:416;a1A)0E0(14,B'JsA . I • nwOJftwoe ni tatill-IH1 befiiin.9 9,*cED nevon noV ni 911,1 bnn ootIonsuri nsE lo w .opaloas79 as2 al sigoq .ylola 3±f mOIIOW O behulDa1 quoup euennsig: r • rI:fl 992 Oi nopE vn.dT" pnivsri ,pninoggsd ne.asd 73 ;nevip need bsa fti ni 3uo /01i: . Tr.!? wo 1./ ,31L1 ,J091,u,4 ii 1' n.r..P. 147(1/ Inn f) . ; 7 : • Irce ALei: and I quote--1They cost the city five million more a year to service than they bring in.' Nor does San Francisco profit indirectly. The suburbanites who work in the new sky scrapers don't live in the city, so there's no sales tax revenue from them." He proceeds to describe in great detail what is happening. There is a hook written called How High -Rises are Destroying Cities. So I think it is time that we stopped examining every applicant who wants to develop a piece of property to its utmost on the basis of him doing us a favor. He is not doing us a favor, he is costing the city money -- more money than these street closings cost. I would like to pass it to you if you have not seen the story; if you have, 1 think it is worth consideration in this instance. Today we have heard praises loud and long, and the showmanship is impressive. Letters have been presented today, mostly from people who have some personal interest in the work. We have letters from someone at the Herald who turned out not to represent the newspapers' publicly stated opinion of "too much on too little space". We hear that echo over and over, do we not? "Too much on too little space." J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 9 ift d , i€ t:% `:fart 1 t ... t7[P,a fir gaild wtin 9fi1 01 ftow p W r= ?Si; i iJ� !!y )r! xrsi 2.JinP. on e,1919JL t>%' 4 V.i %'1 �i;"s'f rrk 9d0').For.) t, wrtt i�A� x � r iiiw li od n ri y:.;, ^.• tr#: a!'! J 2 i {n rt l 1 rc? . ;! t. 1.: ". Ti go i.6 iob 63 .: riii:w '3j w ",nioL ;'Tjr 1'n e:£,r7 14t Romt, S f '►ri7 `fTsi (:; ;.i flit t7'"'vf:I ..2i (}311i ru;r' ) ' ci zt± aaLq of ohlI h.[ffow i:I Z I5VZri Hatay 2± af32i6 7 L•Yz5i"! stir{ sw J 1 r? V i:: eW t-9fl tjJj,' ')i ; 7 4 3 ; fT i) .'.+, , t A;r 106 What are we to do? I think we can ask ourselves to speak to them. We can ask of them to do something for us. We can ask them to come back again with fewer units; to set back more from the bay; some open -up ground level pedestrian spaces, perhaps using our own City streets -- the ones we own right now. The list of opportunities is endless. Planned development. Sounds like something we want to do. It certainly sounds like a greater promise than the antiquated C-3, and sets far more precedent with far greater promise of adhering to the submitted plans. I suggest we quit crowding our shoreline with Collins Avenue -type buildings towering three hundred feet into the air. Sure, we all want Plaza Venetia, but we want it with a sanity; with consideratiop for the community we live in; with compassion for the uniqueness that makes Miami the tropical delight that it is. I look to you, Mayor, and Commissioners, to begin today to build our City of Tomorrow with care and wisdom, and I know you will. Thank you. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER Vt3},(),J' i. et"i..:EiIW d e io s o 'm6rf i ,1 1t$ 01 .80 srtfi rrt03 3®rrs OA1 Jsa of ; a tS rl U Osq , zsobga nsi1f8sbsq 1ev l pix nwo sW a9fo srf al a'•iiinui"Zoggo to Jail .^.- riT pr;irtio}J oa o;{ri abnuo , ..fr:sf;rc c ), o r IsJ6stp s 9:41:I abnzro:= 1 :r._;i.~. _ oos aq O'TO:77 7,z1 a Sa br; L v. ndrja _ di of z.)rsi7s. bri lo o i nl bwolo J iup ow J aappij 1 Tr:Z"r�1J+jam epniblizsc +MgV j �t)IJriJ -,. Ifs 3W t.oau2 . a�b 3'_ lJ .! Jiw aascr o.) ride,- S.f. irioa odd i:iTNLM `C:trio bi iiJcj o.j iliw uo Y WOr.X 2 aag ..zr.a.> :irt6„ r 107 by �r ". ( Yirn I MAYOR KENNEDY: Do you have any other speakers? UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Mayor, Members of the Commission, during the analysis of the Plaza Venetia --- we had a model prepared of the entire area since the Plaza Venetia model prepared by the developer only relates to the development and not the surrounding area. We felt that it would be wise to prepare this model to show the Commission exactly the kind of bulk that Mr. Hollo is contemplating putting on his property. And let me state that the Planning Department, like virtually every other individual or organization that has spoken, endorses the concept of Plaza Venetia. In our report to you, we said that although we endorse the commercial uses that are along Biscayne Boulevard in the proposed development, that there were certain objectives, community objectives, that were not evidenced by the proposed development, and those were three -fold. No. 1, we felt that any development in the City of Miami that goes up anywhere must take cogni- zance of our unique climate and unique ploy. Nowhere J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER ;s ova ri _ u y oa a max RoYATI " f ..xM. :3i 3%A3g8 'aniTW GItrU .e ?o belsge/q Iebor;I s bs:f •;.; .riJ yd bT71.6cisaq isbo"r z iJ E-In9 ' .0r1J Joa b:Is Jn9r;gol3Vs t .J , 91g O_} s2J_w o'd b.0 UOh` 1 i J f 11 ..) Li! 43r 3 ' .Jn6xs Goi s?.immo�' J .i no pL:2iii.iq pniJ lqmodcioo Sri as7:ao ne ns-��.� 1., a? _3'J47 ; I1O J o.E .J .'Io:i_j'[ ' Jo n r fir{-} a3 i; 151.amilToo" Jv r. ' rgr 108 in the City of Miami should we have a project that is completely inter -introverted. In other words, what I am saying is that a project that all of the front activities the amenities, are in the project and not on the outside Now, since that time I must say that Mr. Amisano and Mr. Hollo have gone in a direction which will assure that we get some of the objectives as set forth in our Plaza Venetia study. We especially related that around Biscayne Boulevard. We consider this to be the gateway to our CPD; and certainly we are entitled to the same type of amenities that presently exist along the existing Jordan Marsh store. I want you to look at the existing model. Then our Mr. Simpson will take off the existing develop- ment and replace it with the proposed development. Now, this model does reflect the improve- ments that have been'made by Mr. Hollo. In other words, since the time that the project was first presented to the Commission, Mr. Hollo.and'.his architect have placed open space along Biscayne Boulevard. They have put a certain amount of open space along the residential building on Biscayne Bay, but we are still of the opinior J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER J - o'iq 'B evsn - bLuor$s J no Jon bns das&oi:q sri:t ni ysa ta:.rf I emit JzfiJ 0741. t-.,. nop ofIok . Y, fevi Z 9 do 94. Io o loe ..L, ,, 075 8W ylniziao 51'fr \L[lt:9891r! .Ltip —.ixs ell; :pool o:t olsvo hse• .ro _q s riJ 10 `spit Yam_ rtis bt-.: �Y. ;laano C• 1.7 109 that although he is headed in the right direction, that there are certain shortcomings with the project as it is presently being presented to you. No. 1, we have stated that this type of project should be subject to a planned development ordinance. The reason we said this is because it ties down the developer to site -plan review, and exactly delineates the kind of open spaces that the City can expect to receive in return for granting the developer the privilege of putting his development in the City of Miami. But if you will notice, you know the plans that have been presented to you today, although they deline- ate the open spaces along the residential buildings, are still somewhat hazy as to the kind of open spaces and amenitites which will be put into the commercial development. Now, we felt that the existing Jordan Marsh store provides open green on two sides. We felt that the same type of treatment should be continued around the entire perimeter. We also felt that the time we analyzed the project that the amount of density that was being placed on Biscayne Bay was completely J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 'be-10'1 ai ed -6 JtAli 4ttilq eir5-glIft# 0ram6J/oea ,Is ,,)/Y-46-o.jI162o7(1 J-t6J:baj0#.itisif dy 1 .01,1 benaslo oi ,luso9d al affil bitW ff0S5%-.1rr finivai oi Jridd asoaqa nog() to f,:11.„ -9di /ot nlqIe71- -ni Jnemcoleveb ald t4fid won A :Joy ,eolJon Illw 1 dpuodJls ,yzboi uoNt! od- ud 1i 311i pals 40 to bal,1 061 ol 2.6 t.fsfri 33 erfJ oitri Jug sd Illw sble owJ fTO dfidi ilea ow cacl CISO•Tp od bliJorfe JUSMiZeli . J-191 oials sW .13Jsmi-1.c),! 'ITUOME 911:t iDsfo-.11 aLlw vnfl StlyiSPiE blc; '4FM510 .5 A fiartgr,'"3fitst.. ' • , tr:..CLO • out of context with the stated objectives of the City of Miami. Now Since the time of the Planning and Zoning Board meeting, the Department has done a little bit more research on it. One of the things we wanted to do is to give to the Commission the kind of density controls that are presently being put in force through- out all of Florida. I am sure that the Commission has read in the paper the type of public hearings that have been held in relation to Key Biscayne, the uprising there over blocking the waterfront, the problems in your development, and the same type of thing that is present- ly happening along Miami Beach. Now, Mr. Hollo is presently asking for approximately 162 units per acre on five acres of land on that parcel along Biscayne Bay. Miami Beach, before they had a complete revision to their zoning ordinance, had as the top number of units that could be developed on the ocean, 160 units. And this Commission, I know, has taken enough trips up and down Miami Beach to realize the Chinese wall that has been erected between Collins J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER s1k1 orld lo -9m1.1 'od4 znia woK 1Tob rift dn9ritd/tq9a 07:n1:1-e bT 8pnidj srld lo 9n0 .di AO 10 brti':4 odi nolaaimmoD ed.1 03 71.o1 ni Jug pilled yldn9a91g 9' MMOO 5Ai isffd 9:ma ms 1 .si)11(1.fl pnilssn :)ilduc4 to sqyi edJ 7.tow,,) u sdi ,onyzoalE y9X oi noi.J61-1 do7.co s.J.J liAO:talOJEW 3ii .Ft.D50a viztasaog al oliv)H Jf lo C:110..f.F ,soa6nIblo ,no i-f3TiclycJb sd 51ifo I iflOiP2OD 2.rf"H ,• oi fi as5c: i • • 1 111 Avenue and the ocean. Now, the Beach realized this, so they went through a series of hearings, reviews, and finally revised their ordinance to reflect a maximum of 125 dwelling units per acre. But even beyond that, we prepared a map that shows the type of oceanfront density development that is allowed throughout Florida. We were especially concerned with -- naturally -- South Florida. We wanted to show you, you have a maximum number of units that are being allowed throughout mainly those oceanfront communities in Florida now. So, what this shows is that throughout South Florida, the entire area is becoming more and more conscious of the need to reduce density, not only along the oceanfront, but also on the interior. A recent example was Hollywood. They had some very bad experiences with developments that were built to about 150 dwelling units per acre, and they went, you know, to an opposite extreme. They had such unfortunate experience, they clamped, you know, the top of -- I beg your pardon, it is Hallandale I am referring J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER ••••••••••..ili i 2±rfJ •bssslsb/ noes& srii , wcV aysivS'Y ` 3nIls9fi Io asixse _ mul ixsm s is9il91._oJ sansnibuc, qs aci sw , isrii bnolisd no o .fir.. 91) yilatteb 1rIo'1inseso t ) or7c,_ slaw SYY bi171`i Jvcdpvoii;i riiLta? -- t,-.Ii57;.ri,: n -- nu lo :wdmun :r;um± rn DVLrf aflSw'7^, n2o.1 Juogr.1Sc"i:,.., a wo rf G •L s7�r: ::rs Ejzpv T illsw • 112 to. It show: ''5 to 60 DU's per acre. Now, in this project, as I said, we endorse the project itself. We commend Mr. Rollo on the selection of his architect. He is a fine architect. He is everything that the Chapter said about him, and also Mr. Watson has said about him. He is a fine architect, but any architect can only work within the constraints and the program and the framework of the program that is given to him by his client -- his client His client says I want to put up 800 unit per acre on this parcel of land. He has to abide by this program and design it to the best of his ability within those constraints. Now, I want you to look at the type of bulk that Plaza Venetia's residential project envisions along the Bay. I want you to especially look at what it means on terms of the adjacent bulk of the church and the Women's Club. I do not think that Women's Club really realizes that in the wintertime they will be in the perpetual shade. We prepared this map, which actually is a shadow map that relates to, you know, various times of J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER isa aZ a±rld ni Iwi',ri .1M lin s rrriv ° . v ,1,L 9 e - ir!ods false asJq,srfD Dfi.s a k 913 . mi rf a.c z a -w klow vino nso JosJirio7s 701e9Msxa odt bns mwspolc 9r!_' F: drtss io aid mid of :IL}v.r p 1 .:Jug of tasw I aystar«.c E?:iii eH . bnsl ao I90"1r.0 r{ 3o .7aod merit of ( :10' `.Fa <"11r.i of ii ,L 1i i. w 1 .E. l e ci a s o d +J O y 1 11 3( Q 2'::i� xLLl fI F it r, ec ;:�i rtv:�ni4r WC A CIZ M Ft 113 4, A Jo si 47Nr0-; 'F; 1 1H 113 the year -- you know, spring, sufnmer, fall, and winter. Of course, the time in South Florida when we value the sunshine the most is naturally in the wintertime, which is the time of the year when the sun is, you know, traveling along at the lowest point, and consequently casts the longest shadows. So, you can see that in the wintertime the poor Women's Club will be in perpetual shade. Now, I told this to somebody and they made the comment: well, that is great because it will save on air conditioning. But nevertheless, it still prohibits lights and to a great extent circulation of air to those adjacent property owners, and also the apartments in nearby areas -- some of them. What we are saying is we believe there is too much of intensity of development along the Bay. No. 2, that the plans as presented are still insufficient to delineate exactly the kind of amenities that we are entitled to and should get along the commercial development, Biscayne Boulevard. The plans do not reflect this. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER ,1ts3 ow nsilw sh woni - 08 n.i said . Jiro uoy , ai n38 'odi .nodes troy sci `+r' _, 'attoD bnb , ttii oq f.swol 3L-L net .115n Jfh\ ,O2 .8Wobbna sd l city dulD eciamoV •ic,o r uhodemoa c. drL b 1oJ I• ufn9d jfa£>wp ai Jscz 11`3• Ic hO.iiBluol D 77rrc, . flori: ? o :r,:_ - S )d 5W al Pf±•Y ' !? YF —oIE :ifis:igole sj y vLX9 C 7.1 i£Sf5. Now, this is the kind of thing that we would have if we had the planned development ordinance in effect, and we could tie down the developer to exactly, you know, what he is going to give us. No. 3, we still cannot recommend C-3 zoning in this area, although our Law Department has said, or has stated that they will have covenants with the land. They will guarantee that the development will not exceed what is shown by Mr. Hollo. But we believe that the proposal as presented to you today can be modified so that we get the kind of amenities that we need along the Bay; so that we can get the kind of amenities that we should have along the commercial development; so we get these exterior amenities to go along with whatever type of architectural treatment Mr. Amisano is going to give in our full development. MR REESE: Mr. Acton, before you go any further, will you please -- you and Mr. Simpson -- take this model and orient it in the same direction that the other model is oriented so it does not lead to total confusion. Get Jordan Marsh on the right street. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER ti�ct$I+ -:3r1 bstf n t q(4.ev o.O .ih# .tg i bkL:or ow f' ;s _r , yip .oi pxt op a t tf ±.sr{w ,weir rmooe on .I1 e.ew tE <o, r 'Ysg94 ' ws,S o ri rtod L5 , ��zv lev(3,o ev. rl SSlw yetl eveh ed./ rri ee nsInup .: i w .114 nworia a i ogoq sdi isd1 $vesIed ew f ry,.s di oa bei rbom ed )r.1 nolh been ew J- E d .J a f) i d-i 11 e :.; z .ti o N i bj e f i z w o2 ;Jn9;nao.eveb I iio f:nG';._.;; rail w pnolL J,7 n iop al onsa1+ A. 7h1 'tit blr zoy - s cj J.n L,sob 33, blvov e.to Now it is more representative of the capacity. 115 .. I think, also, that you ought to point out to the City Commission what the City objectives are that you referred to -- what they are. MR. ACTON: When I made that comment I was referring to the stated community purpose of reserving our bayfront for the use, you know, of the public, and also realizing that, you know, any future developments that are erected in the future in this area would have their view blocked by the amount of bulk. That is representative of the residential development along Biscayne Bay. MR. ROTHSTEIN: Mr. Mayor, for the benefit of not being tied by precedent in any other areas, I would like to point out that part of the planned area development concept is that when you have a mixed use planned area development, you are taking into consideration the entire acreage of the planned area development. What I mean by that is, I do not accept the statement as such, because that is not the concept, J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER tAw JadJ oEm a I ' tsd asi lm00 ,,,i _t d b67791 1 fl 4nq^tuq ' jiruttudtos' s sdi o woa t roy , sau 9f f `' Ol °Inola•1 d -! L (r ,won voy tstt3 vnisilsoI or 1u to 9r11 'di 6410019 9 916 ;G adi yd fiSASoLd *sly 1isr1_f .o.h r uol edJ IS SV.'tJslfTsavIgn1 Eg 6tytn?18 px-ioi aoy5M . i T"aHT02 n ni inebsoslq yd 'boil pn.i 9e iuo inlog o f r Lro f ,Jacimgolevsb :5e15 i�zr;rYr. r ', 1s 1 u f i!E tip yd fIESM 1 JadW 7 F saurod hr, WAIN TNu f; CIE 1 'c as to the density per acre on bayfront so that it has to be clarified. You are not taking into account in this manner with the covenant, which in effect will be your later PAD, just the acreage where the residential are. That is the purpose of the PAD, that you can put a heightened development in density in certain areas, residentialwise and otherwise, and you do not have that in the rest of your PAD, so that you take into account your whole designation. In other words, if I go into court and somebody says, "Well, look, they are putting up 175• units per acre on the Bay", my answer if very simple -- simply, they are not. This Commission is considering the whole project, and the residential density for the whole project is, of course, much lower because you take into account all the other acreage. That is the whole point, so I do not want this record to reflect that the concept that you are going with of the covenant, nor the concept of PAD, is to look at just the residential buildings on the residential acre. That is the whole point of planned J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER tLi (1fl vai .3e ni .ds1 k 14041000944 tiiiw '190 tri Vtlegeb;,fh $ 9a;goIevc , E; of.) uoy Wm. 84,479 c brifi 9)tF'' uoy .1E40 og...014q auo'' 10 Jni op I 1. ,:sb o , xsr o nI —; . Jiuq max . yad4 019O,i 1I$V 1 leweas Vri ., "\&8 .9rii no .lon 's3h1 a.no7 ai aozaat%moD 2J dT xc� y iarteb 1bk n9bia91. 9rij i. . ar.f.soed aswo.i riQUoili t 9i QUO:? • spss xab 'xscEio for: slotiw ~+no•) facie Jsr1.4s9i isx o i... ,; . , In rlevo 9 n.L51:1 is�� rtybir9's si ��t sr1J .2± fsciT , Fla Si0 :El .L HDTV TELex) 17, 117 ti area development; you are looking at a whole mixed use development, so that when you take into accoufit the other acres, obviously your density is much, much below 175. I do not want this record to reflect anything other than that, because otherwise Mr. Acton might be setting a precedent that we would not want by saying that if you passed this you are allowing 175 per acre on the Bay. That is not accurate. We are looking at an overall mixed use planned development, and therefore the residential density is much lower, too. I do not know what the total acreage is, but you would have to take into effect the total acreage into the density to get your average density. MR. ACTON: Mr. Mayor, I also want to point out to you that the City Code of the City of Miami requires the Planning Department to coordinate certain renewal projects with the Dade County Planning Department, and since the Dade County Planning Depart- ment hasn't done a very intensive study of this area in connection with their multiple use study for the MacArthur Lane, they did send to you a report on this J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 9,f o riw oo. oini 40 . rig Xf1T al It, gtt9'# 'Y ':'tt r r trn i v o bsoo 1 sirf.J Ins S 'Ion ob T ee iwx9ri{ saueocd 1 AI rrmi!i c bl uow sw ifirf.1 lr sbsosnr . ear, may slat hews ci L1ll`t .i_ 9W . 9i s SuDas don al jrigT .'nemgol wvob ellAfi q. 9a i be t ^: if deum e * Visfsb ds i n9bs79- od , 8.t spseloti IAtal or.'1 epzie/os .IufOt 94t 1 31.13 . funs. sp4I9Va; c^.1F, Z , ioysM .xM iiRQTDA . 1M ori_.; to ebc3 ytt ed./ 1; J �:`• Jr,S,,Ri-,:a-c an�nrt�t G,-r _ i:LoD aril ridiw :tfYs.i /nmoD 9bk0 srp. -, ;_fin ,Joy od baee t:. r ,;9 dJ ;lawn() .�i .t t•a • 118 project for us to see that pretty well verifies the findings of your Planning Department. The first letter that was sent to you brought out such things as the scale of development in relationship to the surrounding area. They also brought out the proposed residential density, but, of course, they have reduced it since that time. And they went on. This letter was transmitted to you and it endorsed the findings of your Planning Department as related to reasonable division. That concludes my presentation, Mr. Mayor, and members of this Commission. MR. HOLLO: Mr. Mayor, Madam Commissioner and Mr. Commissioners, if I may take a few moments of your time -- I know it is getting very late -- I just would like to chronologically answer a couple of meager objections that we have had to this wonderful project. I guess everyone has to have one. Even if you bring gold bricks and put them down in front of you, you will find some objector who wants to keep you from putting it up. Well, such as I may, I would just like to J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER robs apw . I evsb ao s1ao :o `:dud , itios? laud(' Ino- 1� prx i d i PhD J.. bxxus sri .smi.4, 160s ,04ta Ji beii it anF.a asW 1 i9S 2 i ( 3ti )rri nz0 Upy sa s r�ibni:; .a0,a,[vib ci ;a o^ : .: O 3 �ir3c�?�v Smarr; s9.f 4,0lao 1Bri? Fi?n FIS :Oi OE .fIi ar c, a e),!rM z yArI 1 s a l sn o i. wo ri t1 191)1 ow Si r ri t SIN Arid evri,i 5 -:.)Firs U `i asci `-?no ;SaVee aaeup ado i ad b_, . 1 U 0'r. I , y I:f;1 1 otdo `moa E _ 1 i flap: answer a few of these objections; one of them being that last one that the learned Mr. Acton has mentioned, this report that you have received from the Dade County Planning Department. The gentleman who has signed it, he says he is a planner. He never said that he was a traffic consultant. We have hired, at a great expense, a traffic consultant. He is the finest traffic consultant in the nation, I think -- Mr. Wilbur Smith. Your City uses it. I will not bore you withhis entire report, and I am submitting it to you, respectfully. I would just like to state the conclusion which is one short paragraph. "The studies of excess and circulation and the environments of the proposed development indicates space and convenient access for the patrons and employees of the project without significant interference to highway traffic. If the recommended street improvements are implemented, so it will be. Thesite is well -located in relation to the area street and expressway system, which will facilitate rapid disbursal of generated traffic. The existing transit J. P. GREEN couRr REPORTER ;rii 10 SAO 120011aatdd ao nem asd 5o3'0A M Eibnls91 FAJ J L,11 t ebsd eri i 11101i beVi9b97. 917Zd [J 0 1 io r tat - °G(.7,i ; ssri oriw rzpst0iJttsp 911Trr:4 _ sd:1 bisa aeven 9h . lenn fq sr A x9 ise p s is , be x. ri avr;3i <,74 '361J i29ni3 9f1J. 2i r4u _fir. .' _ _ • •ii'!T9 aid r{iIW ifoy .?-;o{i :111s*iOsaa,,' , U0y c4is a oJ 'oil l .F 3-{ t b i u'.)w ._ .riq.>7ps15c + r ov ii., o •x y ��.i t��c. �?;1 ? riil.i i:3 �J1`�;3 'ii��J •.. ... r fliw • icqaaa RIT3;043p 7f tl. 120 surface and the mixed lane uses will tend to minimize auto travel and parking requirements, so the effect on the surrounding area will be less than it is indicated by the overall size of the development." This was the last item that Mr. Acton wrote. The other item was concerning itself with the number of units on hand, as I indicated to you before so emotionally. And I am emotional not for me so much as for our City, because this project is hopefully scheduled to recreate our downtown, and to do that it needs density, intense density, as the study of Mr. Doxiadis, the master, has revealed to you at the cost of a quarter of a million dollars. This is the pivot, the northern pivot point where density is required, intense density, metropolitan density. We do not have it anywhere in our downtown. Shops are not enough -- and I will bring it out a little bit later in answer to Mr. Reed's allegations. Shops are not enough. That bankrupts a city if you only have shops or offices. You need a mixed area, and you need the density of both. Mr. Acton was worried about this, and I oi bris ZI.w esprr sr s ., ._, :g fi oe ,einsm_a"i ..up ?t'1 Y Ear el J i ilEdzt I I! °-.1119rtrgoioCt?5 cf in JE fi ,ail 2er,S r • 121 would like to disperse his worries about overshadowing the Women's Club. I must state it here that the Women's Club, not only as one body withdrew their objection, but stood up and was in favor of our project. The Women's Club is deciding now to move out of that area because they found their building anti- quated and dilapidated. They are trying to find a new home for themselves in the northern area -- probably Miami Shores. I would like to state one more item in connection with Mr. Acton's objections, and that was the amenities. The current amenities resolve them- selves when they are thrown there to the Venetian Rambler and the Jordan Marsh parking lot. Not too much to look at, is it? It is at the northern node, at the northern pivot point of our downtown Miami. I appreciated very much the words of Mr. Little, President of the South Florida Chapter of A.I.A., and Mr. Harcher, and their great esteem. I am forced to say a few words about Mr. Reed's statement. There were two statements, and I would like to kind of correct it a little bit because J. P. GREEN COURT REPO TtR tuodE 29: 110W ale on7F9gei(; ?_' ,; r`: • 3rd e:tod ii oiBi um T 49 Iffiiw 9f(o :: > 10 ao asl ni ariw ri ^wo,: 1?rY.tb1oo J ai doll ` fi917 biiud 1,1,4702..' r 9'? li frs 9fi' for er! V it • 122 he took things out of context in Mr. Von Hoven's article Mr. Von Hoven continues --- He read the article, by the way, at our Planning Board hearing and I took it upon myself to investigate Von Hoven's statements further. Mr. Von Hoven and his group of thirty professionals, mixed professionals, findings in San Francisco were that: yes, neighborhoods of offices where there is nothing else, no mixture but office buildings down the line, or neighborhoods of nothing but stores, and nothing but stores, could bankrupt the amenities of the city. He is asking for it, and his group came up with the conclusion, the very conclusion that Mr. Doxiadis came up with, that he wanted mixed amenities -- mixed amenities -- shelters of residences, offices, and commerce, alike. These will provide, as we have brought out in our traffic survey, for the proper utilization of a great core of a metropolitan area. Just one more item and then I am nearly finished with my rebuttal, because there is nothing really to rebuttal in his words, but he wanted you to J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER avoIi noV .1m ni. ixo- noo it? J o W tf yd t 9_to.g tm '_?s. ym noqu ? 400`a br:5 G .1 r1 e ii+ t:.: J E, J r r ,7rw aiA bITG to 2Loor:/o='.ri itri:. r :i!: i ::.. 01: a O E bOO:...': Li i= _ `4 rC Yam. sc. bluon -; C E fi 9 .1, 123 • believe, Lady Commissioner and Mr. Mayor and Honorable Commissioners, that those people who wrote us letters, do not know how to read plans. I must admit that some of them do not, because we got about eighteen hundred letters, but a few of them do know how to read plans. There is one by Mr. Herbert Johnson. Mr. Charles Miller, I am sure, knows how to read plans. Mr. Kruse (phonetic), F.A.I.A., Fellow of A. I. A. Mr. Miller. And certainly Alfred Browning Parker knows how to read plans. Thank you. COMMISSIONER GORDON: You mentioned something about the Women's Club, Mr. Hollo. MR. HOLLO: Yes. COMMISSIONER GORDON: If and when it vacates are you planning to acquire that as part of your development? MR. HOLLO: If I have enough money left. [Laughter) COMMISSIONER GORDON: But you are planning that? MR. HOLLO: Yes, ma'am,,if I have enough J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER air ;.610/W 04= s;atq Omisa1!;r* o dl ikitbs atrm_ i.., .aaelq krcl ti n99Jdpa.s tJOds is p ,91t7 e u6oe bAp1 of ti moal ob m,s,11 30 faneD . x:Ni . riQartriot rise/ H . artslq bEsa Q+ woe awoo$ :. •A . JC ..A 1 :cloy .0T r c ry .• i 14 1 a n -9 W .a.9y b;T.z., : i 0(IROD 4 `z d-ErJ ziupt)s rJJ c'u rtt� ,art I r T 1 sir_ .J J y '1z ' " oq_ I tssuo:. 4 • money left. space? COMMISSIONER GORDON: You mean for open MR. HOLLO: Are you just a lady commission- er now, or a real estate broker, ma'am? a [Laughter] MR. WATSON: Mr. Mayor, in final rebuttal I want to say this. As far as Mr. Acton's points as to the impact on the surrounding community, the surrounding community wants it. They all want it. When we talk about the privilege of developing, I wonder whose privilege it is. It seems to me that it is a privilege for the City of Miami to have somebody come in here with this vision, foresight and put together a thing of this magnitude and offer it to the City. I think maybe that is where some of the privilege might lie. And when you really get really down to the nitty-gritty, as I see it, because I am kind of a practical guy, I look at it and I see you have only got two objectors, George Reed and George Acton. I believe J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER W�rCi�1' seta : uoY : YlOWI07 513110T28IMM071 j a 11., ,r1 , c . .�� ine w 11.1s a svi-G* Lii Juo'lz Ai lJ r:'.. 1`SJI 2! P '3oi Liri r cl • fl eiv air iY _:`,3 ni shu:11:IpLm c1:1J. ao P lif £: e-sod,4 21 iG: J fi ?HO97-151 UL`. 125 we have satisfied everybody else, and believe us, we have tried to do the best job that we could to come to this Commission and present this matter to you to the best of our ability. All that we can do is we can just hope that you will give us your favorable consideration. We certainly do appreciate your long indulgence in this matter. Thank you very much. MAYOR KENNEDY: Is there any rebuttal? [No response] MAYOR KENNEDY: Is there anyone else that would like to say anything? [No response] MAYOR KENNEDY: The Chair is open for a discussion or a motion. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: Mr. Mayor, I would like to make a motion because I believe it was only you and I on the Commission at this time some five or six years ago in the DuPont Plaza when Mr. Doxiadis came to Miami and made a presentation to the community. It was an enlightening presentation. It was one that J. P. GREEN COUNT RaroRrrII led brie % 9 Is 7bod7ieve tt03 9W `f$3di dot 3= ed e►!i ob leJJfm 8i1It irtaa�=rg bnf; so sw ?i ob neo 3W i,fij I C A z snoz s f d.r Lovr l _u n` era tr r=oI 'wov . clou e=7':i`7 j; �SSy ? r1 r 3' i.; j 4?fi si. U-i?���: _....T ._ovj'a 1 ;?1Jki YarT Ya it+i ';.1 ty 0".t:;i% Cpni Yt.4 Q1 �FJri: :iT : {•a?n 9 i4 7 ii � • r�:�.��: f'n, fi.:.q4ci • 12 was Sorely needed: Prior to this time there were many plans, the Magic City plans and other plans, the names of which I do not remember,- They were before my time and before your intentions, and because time. They were plans that had good but were shelved because of impracticality Of a lack of private investment, and fore- sight and courage of investors and developers to come in. The scope of Doxiadis' plan was over- whelming. Many of the people there were, not critical, but doubtful whether it could be achieved because it was vast in scope. And Mr. Doxiadis, I remember, said: it is not an overnight plan, it is for many, many years in the future, and it would take the majority of private investment to distinguish from governmental investment to achieve what he called "the wedding to the sea". And I think we have to keep that in mind as to some of the objections as to doing away with the view to the Bay. I was thrilled with Doxiadis' report, as so were you, Mr. Mayor, and all my colleagues, because .be lie n 19W 919di 9i7IC� ff .)i —a sty y 2iit= C .1EfiLto bac 211SC ii ed e-tew yedT . '; 9d Q4.. bz d i i r1 i 2 Ct 5 -i. g �:?'•' ai1T..0 io 9ubo d 1>>Qvx31:P 1.a a 2 'ca olov 9i bITF, '2)- _J r} r? OM sill bsx79idos I ".`. O s ._ j 1 r 4n _.i niob oi clsd Is 127 immediately thereafter we went on record endorsing the concept. I have to compliment, and I personally am very grateful, as a representative of the City, to Mr. Hollo for coming forth with the first implementation The Doxiadis plan calls for this area to have just what this great architect, Mr. Amisano, has put forth here. I, for one, never thought that at the time I would be on the Commission we would see some of this coming about. Everyone there recognized the plan was great, but we just did not think we could put together the esplanade, the development of any part of it and what we have today. I do not think this plan is perfect, no plan is, but it comes pretty close to it as alluded to by many of the A.I.A.'s and many of the letters that came through. I do not think Alfred Browning Parker would put his okay to a project if it was not in the overwhelming good interest of this City. I think, Mr. Mayor, that you were impressed that day with Doxiadis, because ever since you were put in a position of leadership as the mayor, you J. P. GREEN m btto39a ao jri9 4° ow 7e a '3;'ai' ,fins ;231eI.C..lam n 01 ovi i risas .b1t.ro,,,7 c'x' f at ql 1 5-rFiU9Bs1 Thu,- :,% 128 • have taken the forefront in the redevelopment of down- town, and because of your leadership, these great - buildings are coming about, and because of your leader- ship in conjunction therewith, the bond issue was passed. And I think because of the tenure of Miami, due to your leadership, that people are willing to take a chance and come into Miami and revitalize it as it should be. Now, I am really shocked that this could be achieved with not one variance. I make no qualms about it, if there were necessary variances to achieve the objective, I would have voted for them. But it comes with no variances whatsoever, and a change of zoning from a C-1 to a C-3, which is recommended by the master of all planners, Doxiadis. I want to read to you from our own C-3 District statement, which at best is antiquated. The C-3 Central Commercial District is intended to apply to the heart of downtown business section of Miami, which says all portions of the City and Metropolitan area. The business and service of the Central Commercial District includes many of those J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 9mciolevebel s_r{j rti Jr—oa O.co eeedJ , gzff I9{af3 )I ITuo d 10 92MBO9d ban , frte 5 ftr41e1C . ,_ 2i bf:od fit i�+i�,'p� • , :� _�. '. - e a u ct -3 t 9 I J t o h' 9' f 'Iga9q jfir ban zoa j-„; or rJ J L -- Eaonlauci n-. '; !". . F; 129 supplied in other types of commercial districts,; in addition thereto,.. many services and facilities not available elsewhere. High land values, limitation of space and public convenience justify a greater intensity of use than in other commercial districts. I think the antiquated C-3 distinction serves completely what Plaza Venetia is calling for. I do not want to reiterate, because we have been here for years, but I have taken some volumin- ous notes because there is a lot of controversy on it. I think when you cut away all the fat, the issue is really very clear. I think Lester Freeman, representing the Chamber of Commerce, made the comment, made the interesting point: it takes the burden off the home- owners. That is only part of the picture, a very, very small part, because I think Plaza Venetia should not even be alluded to that; on its own, it is a great project. One thing that I hope is realized by this is what Mr. Amisano has said as -- and I want to repeat the words because it is exactly what we need -- J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER _......�..s-j r ni r.; a:r 130 "parlay the project; tie into this project; use it as a catalyst so that the development can be accomplished as called for in the long run". I am thrilled that I am on the Commission to see part of the fruition of the Doxiadis report and not leave the Commission as being one member who also shelved the plan without reality. I compliment Mr. Rollo for his courage and his skill in bringing it to the Commission. I compliment Mr. Amisano for his great talent in coming forth with this project. And thirdly, and not least, I compliment Mr. Jack Watson for one of the finest legal presentations that I have had the pleasure of seeing as a Member of this Commission. I make a motion to change thezoning from the present zoning to C-3, subject to the covenant to run with the land as given by Mr. Hollo. MAYOR KENNEDY: You make a motion on 36-A, subject to the covenant? COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: Yes, sir. MAYOR KENNEDY: Is there a second on 36-A COMMISSIONER PLUMMER: Mr. Mayor, I will J. P. GREEN %at toq axrli oiai 911 tu.s Jim(4019v9b .nava naol °di rj: ac." rio ms I 35111 holliInJ ME ailatixoG el-1J ao aokJim.:,1 3dineur sift prdec EE ,simmon 9iii 021- ae151 EI;4. brim vSbiit ea° U: . ,n sh:,* Lra I 7,!3!-T 5ipa) 1).-1 '16:.i.rA 043 j 4j . 131 not go into a long dissertation, but when I look at this project -- and I have sat here for the three hours that we have spent on this project, and I weighed the pros and I weighed the cons. You know, I, many times at night, go downtown to buy a paper. When I go downtown I am appalled at the fact that the streets are almost desolate. And what is happening? The people surely come in. The density is there in the daytime, but as soon as the sun goes down, the people go home and do not come back to the downtown area. We can do a lot of things in the down- town area. We can put up auditoriums. We can put up theaters. We can put up many things, but I think with- out the people all goes for naught. I think that this must be looked at, not as an individual project on the north end, but as an overall project for downtown Miami. Mr. Mayor, I believe that this project will be good for the City of Miami, and because of that I will second the motion. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER adw Ind tnoi.is aea_ it pnoi r. . u fi srii aol a-r9ri Ina sync! ri?sew I brr6 %.10ci:.naq aidI .ter.._ o di wc.inwo1 op i nsri:` . "� ": , t.':4 eas ah20.:18 J6rii yrb .prr_Lriecgs i :,.. c, r • MAYOR KENNEDY: It has been moved and seconded. 132 Call the roll. THE CLERK: Mrs. Gordon. COMMISSIONER GORDON: You want discussion MAYOR KENNEDY: No. This is a roll call. COMMISSIONER GORDON: My name has been called to vote and I would like to comment. I read the minutes very thoroughly and I found a comment that was made by one of the Planning Board members that I cannot help but read to you at this time. It was made by Mrs. Callahan. She said, "I speak against the motion. I feel as if it is a little bit like a joke I heard one time where the lady was being wheeled into the delivery room and the doctor stopped and asked her what she wanted, a boy or a girl, and she said she would take what was there". In a sense, this proposal, as proposed, is very incomplete, in my thinking, for me to take a position today -- this evening -- endorsing it. I am in favor of your type of developmen• J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER r(, heb+d a•sd i i 'a ICI:51 TOYAV . I1o: �).;-tz' . 1iobaoi) . is T '• .:iCt •i.i''w i o.. : YlOQI1O !�• i `a' �'1 `F 'S `t; �,+ ss alr`T .:,;; . 'c1i Va _ ._ fi3TR;�ea.i 133 yes. 1 urge you to proceed to complete your proposals; however, I firmly believe that if we permit this change of zoning to C-3 I would be remiss if I voted for it. I would be remiss to the entire community of Miami. I believe we need to take the orderly route to progress and we need to control, in every detail, a development of this magnitude. And that takes nothing away from the very, very good capabilities of all persons con- cerned with this project and all the good people who have come here to endorse it. I feel that the planned unit development concept, which we passed today on first reading, should be the criteria for this development. I feel that development of this kind could wait sixty days, could be implemented in the manner and with the controls that would be made available to the planning and development, so I would have to vote no to the motion. THE CLERK: Mr. Plummer. COMMISSIONER PLUMMER: I vote yes. THE CLERK: Mr. Christie. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE1 I think what the woman said as she was being wheeled in, she said, "I'll J. P. GREEN lto' eielgmoo 7J .'33eoo q rJ m— Jimlot ,w ai jEfs:i e\:' li1,1 '.f.' . e.it :z •±y 2 Lj `Yfi�. o... 513Trft7 „H • ,fir,. { • 134 take whatever is healthy." I think that is what we have, a healthy project, and I will vote yes. THE CLERK: Mayor Kennedy. MAYOR KENNEDY: When I became MayOr of Miami I wanted to do something so that when I left office, perhaps someone would remember that I was there. We have tried to have a progressive administration during the time I have been there. We have fought for certain things that have been very good for our community, such as the bond issue. When I ran for reelection, I made as one of my major efforts, the redevelopment of our downtown area. I saw this in a three-phase package. One, I saw the development of the Jordan Marsh area into our new downtown where we had a beautiful Jordan Marsh store, where we had the hopes of having Korvettes come in, where we thought Alexander's was going to buy Jefferson's out, where vie saw that a planned development was coming in, where we not only would have fine retail stores on the Boulevard, but that we would have housing 9V£f 9W i'F^ffW E 1. 36(J :�f!.' ft'i T .(79V 9 iO \V 2J) afiT a'" .. " Ya . 'T4'it .? [QYAM nr7i iii'_':n of ub of evi s i.i..�. 1; bnod i- ._.:f•'Ci.ol v b9.: ' 1 � J.i F' f anw Jon. hll f'.093ii f1UG;, 135 • to bring back the middle -income purchasing power into the downtown area. Every downtown area must have that if it is going to survive. I saw in the Flagler Street area the creation of a Latin downtown area. We have the Latins here already, and we must have a vibrant section of our City where people will come in after five o'clock. Without the French Quarter New Orleans would be a ghost town. We have the Latin population here, why not use it? Let us turn Flagler Street into a Latin shopping area. We could connect the new down- town up in the Jordan Marsh area with the Flagler Street with the mini -buses going down a beautiful Boulevard, that hopefully we will have parks up the middle of and we will take care of. We have had in our Commission the bond issue, which the Members of this Commission fought for very aggressively, and hopefully we will have a beauti- ful Bayfront Park that people can look at when they are traveling back and forth to and from downtown. The third was the Brickell Avenue area where we are hoping, once again, to build a fine office J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER prii2E.r( 'lug nmo7)ni 3.s ` i.)1 n !S1 wyin iwoJ'firyo1', i091Jf .1o1p SIT. rrvst .T', v i ov.:{ =111 014, r V..:3...1,t 1 3�( • 136 building section and bring in apartments. This, too, would be joined by your mini -buses. Hopefully someday all of that will be tied in with rapid transit, biat we are talking about realities, we are talking about getting something done today, not living in a dream world. When I heard that Mr. Hollo had purchased this land, I was thrilled, because you will never get anything developed in a metropolitan downtown area unless you have someone who has the capability of acquiring massive acres of land. Land mass is necessary for the right type of development. He had the courage and ingenuity to go in there, tie up the land -- get it get it financed, and go and hire one of the great architects of the world, a man who has had the experienc the knowhow, who comes from one of the most progressive cities in the country, Atlanta. We have seen his work. They have come up with the project that is going to be the first focal point in the overall development. Hopefully all of this that I dream of can be accomplished and started in the next couple of years. J. P. GREEN :, a9-Jtscis tii- priixd Fsn, 4H .29 ud-inim :Eudy ,rci _,9:...� ttn7J bigsx f3.w rti bey. i d Vnaszi 926 3t. ct ni it o:I tbo i i o 1 ♦/ f4. b :1 r' r I w Vay eauz Jed , h.ol1,._:ff. J i. zit 9H- . nen:J rl _c•, .a h a o sc - ' " ; J:,. • 137 I think it is a great project. I do not apologize for it, I compliment it. It was in my program when I ran for reelection. I got 73 percent of the vote of this City. Everywhere I spoke, I spoke about downtown redevelopment and what we wanted to do. I stand on that record; I am proud of this project; and I vote yes. [Applause] COMMISSIONER GORDON: I applaud you, Mr. Mayor, for standing up to your convictions, and I do the same. I am not opposed to this project, I am only opposed to the method of implementation. MAYOR KENNEDY: All right. Item No. 36 B. How long do you need on this, Mr. Watson, another four hours? MR. WATSON: No way. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: I move 36 B. MAYOR KENNEDY: All right. 36 B has been moved by Mr. Christie. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: I am moving it subject to the conditions set forth in the Street J. P. GREEN GOURT REPORTER ri sr;1 10 idt! iJ • I Committee. second? I second it. on 36 B? thing. 138 MAYOR KENNEDY: All right. Is there a COMMISSIONER PLUMMER: Yes, Mr. Mayor, MAYOR KENNEDY: Call the roll. MR. ROSSIN : Pardon me. Are you voting MAYOR KENNEDY: Yes, sir. MR. ROSSIN: I would like to say some - My name is Marvin Rossin. My wife and I own a house at 1712 North Bay Shore Drive, which is right next to where Mr. Hollo intends to develop. I have spoken to him, and I mentioned the fact that the street being closed would shut off access to an easement of ten feet that goes behind my property and gives us access to the rear. He has assured me that he will give us access just to the south of our property, or at least to the same side. But I believe I am entitled to something in the way of assurance, because I have got the plan J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER j IIA : YCIaMW ,T StOYMM rr , leY ::SaMNJ,JQ F b1;l1e2IMr o ), :i1o7 nAi fir:`> :YG i kla �;... p.9m _ro b B� %�)f yY.rmE ..3 : YOStIii3Y, h 139 here in front of me and I would like to read what it says. "The ten -foot private easement as shown on the attached plat of Rice and Sullivan Subdivision are hereby perpetually dedicated to the free use of all owners of lots in said subdivision, and it is understood that said ten feet from such private easement shall forever remain the private property of owners of property in Rice and Sullivan Subdivision." So, I am not objecting to the eliminating of the streets, but I would like to ask you to put in the restriction that any owners that are blocked from using this easement in the rear shall be given access by the developer. Thank you very much. MAYOR KENNEDY: Mr. Watson, you want to comment on that. MR. WATSON: Yes, sir. MR. HOLLO: Well, specifically, there are Mr. Rossin and another lady by the name of Mrs. Allocca (phonetic), and with both of them we have worked out their problems. Mr. Rossin is here. I have explained J. P. GREEN COURT IMPORTER 140 • to him how they are going to assure him of it, and it will be assured and it will be done. MAYOR KENNEDY: Well, you want a little more than that; right? MR. ROSSIN: Yeah. I would like some- thing in the ordinance to give me that so I can sleep good. I do not want to lose access to the rear. MAYOR KENNEDY: How can we accomplish that? MR. HOLLO: I have shown it to Mr. Rossin that we are including an -easement for him on the south property line, and it was acceptable to him, I believe. I am standing by it. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: You are representing that to this Commission, Mr. Hollo? MR. HOLLO: I do. I am representing that under oath to this Commission. MR. ROTHSTEIN: This private easement will be shown on the plot? MR. HOLLO: It will be, yes, of course. We will work it in. It .is not shown at this time but it will be shown. J. P. GREEN COURT RQORTIR mitt b u2G5 OL c as:ob 9d iI .st vo t .i r �?�S 20 A, bluow . "�Ce`� T,•I .`) i oa `x?1-1J 3?: £vit+ ?' r >: a ;4 vJC:fal'��'1 r •rr 7'11 mie 3 R s 141 • MR. ROTHSTEIN: W6 are working on a tentative plot now. MR. HOLLO: It will be shown, yes. M. ROTHSTEIN: Now, the motion was made subject to the plot. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: I made the motion subject to the approval of the conditions set forth in the Plot and Street Committee, which approval must reflect Mr. Rossin's easement as set forth in his testimony. MR. ROTHSTEIN: Is that satisfactory to you? MR. ROSSIN: Yes. Very good. Thank you.. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: There is a motion, Is there a second on my motion so that we can all go home? COMMISSIONER PLUMMER: I second it. MAYOR KENNEDY: It has been moved by Mr. Christie and seconded by Mr. Plummer. Call the roll. MR. DAVENPORT: My name is Sam Davenport. MAYOR KENNEDY: Just a minute. Is this J. P. GREEN COURT R*PPORrsee • 142 on the same thing -- on the easement? MR. DAVENPORT: No, this is on the street, Northeast 16th Street. MAYOR KENNEDY: Well, let us get this one in to protect the property owner, and then we will hear you. MR. ROTHSTEIN: May I say this. Going along with the approval by the plot, so you should be aware of it, one of the conditions of the Plot Committee is, it is always the condition that when you replot, any underground facilities will be moved at your expense and not the City's. Do you agree to that, sir? MR. HOLLO: Yes. MR. ROTHSTEIN: Thank you. THE CLERK: Mr. Christie. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: Yes. THE CLERK: Mrs. Gordon. COMMISSIONER GORDON: [No response] MAYOR KENNEDY: This is the B section. COMMISSIONER GORDON: Yes. THE CLERK: Mr. Plummer. J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER io gl. , oV: : `' OT Vl2V t 3 . 51 . joe'1i2 au ie.f_ , II; W : Yts3H,Tic3X :1Q (:,,' ;6.1 bns ,:sn o vd-a,3(lox:r • irii N,pa 1 r r rr. .,y i 'Joy 02 gi0iq Ord OCij 20 oi a i o. =i_ n ►0L ne€i w:� I,Czvon :1.0nj,,: 143 COMMISSIONER PLUMMER: Yes. THE CLERK: Mayor Kennedy. MAYOR KENNEDY: Yes. Yes, sir. MR. DAVENPORT: Mr. Mayor, Commissioners, my name is Davenport. I am a civil engineer for Florida Gas Transmission Company.. Florida Gas Company owns a six-inch natural gas pipeline located at Northeast 16th Street, between Biscayne Bay and Northeast Bayshore Drive. This line delivers gas to People's Gas on Miami Beach. Florida Gas has no objection to the vacation and closure of Northeast 16th Street at this location, provided the right-of-way can be attained and a written agreement would be given to Florida Gas Transmission Company stating that the Florida East Coast Properties, Incorporated, would reimburse our company for all related costs to the pipeline reloca- tion. I have that letter that Mr. Hollo has agreed to relocate our pipeline at no cost. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: He has given you J. P. GREEN . EeV 30 , 1f:T. 13.:11' i t3 4t A Li.-1`i O L B a J., s A p..� .t a c7 .ftiiT `_;refs_ pne ii loid De o of: • rH • 144 a letter? MR. DAVENPORT: Yes, sir. Could I make this part of it? MR. ROTHSTEIN: Part of the record. Give it to the Clerk, sir. That was one of the things I had in mind when I made that last statement on the plot. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I have a letter from Mr. Hollo here. MR. ROTHSTEIN: Give it to the Clerk as an exhibit. the record.] MAYOR KENNEDY: All right. Item 36 B. Now, Item 36 C. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: Move it. MAYOR KENNEDY: Moved by Mr. Christie. COMMISSIONER PLUMMER: I second it. MAYOR KENNEDY: Seconded by Mr. Plummer. Call the roll. THE CLERK: Mrs. Gordon'. COMMISSIONER GORDON: [Discussion off MAYOR KENNEDY: What is the vote? T.Aog'2IVA.0 .5110. SJi 'o Ja r1 9iciM i bSrr:•'J ra 9ffi i0 Jafi i IQ eno 2f34o' * . —i'r . ain e :` .3visr .? }?AT4? Q:iI'tITrt:.BUT aM 92 I :1.afIi) 145 THE CLERK: Yes. Mr. Plummer. COMMISSIONER PLUMMER: Yes. THE CLERK: Mr. Christie. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: I vote yes. THE CLERK: Mayor Kennedy. MAYOR KENNEDY: Yes. Now, while we are on this item --- MR. WATSON: One more thing, Mr. Mayor, if you please. In checking with the title company that is going to insure this property so that the developer can get started, they ask that the City pass an enabling resolution since the City has the public easement along North Bayshore Drive which will be kept open. The plans as you know, if approved, call for a pedestrian over- pass and an automobile ramp, and they need some enabling resolution, which I have here, to allow that to be done. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: What is that again, Mr. Watson? Would you repeat that, please. MR. ROTHSTEIN: What is the head room shown on the plans? .$ . .i.'ciL'?; rilov L. 4s_r nd I:.. L, at -71 MR. HOLLO: A minimum sixty feet. I think the requirement is fifty -foot, nine inches minimum by the State. The highest structure, I think, is currently fourteen feet. MR. ROTHSTEIN: This resolution is COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: Basically what does this do, again, Mr. Watson? I am sorry, I did not quite understand. MR. WATSON: Well, since the public has a public right-of-way, a public easement along North Bayshore Drive, it will allow Plaza Venetia to bridge over on the top of the easement, and for the automobile ramp and the pedestrian walkway. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: All right. I will move it. MR. ROTHSTEIN: Will you read the title, please, sir? All right. I will read it. Resolution authorizing Florida East Coast Properties, Inc., to construct and maintain a certain access and egress, automobile ramp, parking facilities and a pedestrian overpass, and a walkway, 3. `:�� 's,_V • 147 all to be located over and across Northeast Bayshore Drive on the location which is shown at 14 Plaza Venetia, Miami, Florida. This provision is dated April 18, 1972; prepared by Mr. Joseph Amisano, F.A.I.A. 128 King Street, N.E., Atlanta, Georgia 30303. To he located in Rice and Sullivan Subdivision, Plat Book 4, page 64, and Lot 1 amended plot of the Plaza being a resubdivision of Rice and Sullivan's Plat Book 33 on page 18 of the Public Records of Dade County, Florida. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: I'll move it. MAYOR KENNEDY: All right. You move it, Mr. Christie. Is there a second? [No response] MAYOR KENNEDY: Is there a second? COMMISSIONER PLUMMER: Mr. Mayor, just a moment, please. [Brief pause] COMMISSIONER PLUMMER: Yes, I second it. MAYOR KENNEDY: All right. Seconded by Mr. Plummer. r Call the roll. J. P. GREEN 148 • THE CLERK: Mr. Plummer. COMMISSIONER PLUMMER: Yes. THE CLERK: Mr. Christie. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIE: Yes. THE CLERK: Mrs. Gordon. COMMISSIONER GORDON: I think it is important to review the development plan, or something to review ourselves with the planned development. I cannot vote for the portion without the entire project. THE CLERK: So your vote is no? COMMISSIONER GORDON: Oh, yes, of course. THE CLERK: On this portion? COMMISSIONER GORDON: Yes. THE CLERK: And Mayor Kennedy. MAYOR KENNEDY: Yes. THE CLERK: Thank you. MAYOR KENNEDY: All right. Now, before we finish this, Mrs. Gordon brought out an interesting point, and I want to make it right now. I would like, Mr. Acton, that you in the future, knowing that there may be projects coming up, J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER MINIM • be prepared. We should have had a planned unit development in here. Doxiadis came out with this plan a long time ago, and there is na planned unit develop- ment. All of us would have felt much more comfortable if this was being done under that type planned unit development, and I am sure Mrs. Gordon would have voted for it otherwise. I put the direct blame on the Planning Department for not having the vision to come up with i I hope in the future that we will be a little more progressive in our thinking so that maybe our City will be able to move forward at a better pace. COMMISSIONER GORDON: Mr. Mayor, I am glad that you mentioned what you said, because this has been bothering me personally for some time now, because I know that it has been at least a couple of years at least a year -- that a consultant was supposed to have been hired to restudy and prepare us for develop- ment like this in the downtown area, and as I understand it, we still do not have this completed. MR. REESE: Mr. Mayor, and Members of j p1SYinkin our �i a n �-, .-�.,p, .. � ��... , WI C., _4 -- r Et; r r ,_; cs:t q I t 1 . s-.)>> J 9 I in cs ._ 432 Fii, .'3 .1- cf r•. • paper today. And all the Downtown Development Authority has to do is come up with the money that the consultant is proposing. They are the ones that have taken the bids, and collectively the Downtown Developmen Authority, with Mr. Acton, determine who the consultant should be. This should not be a financial burden here in the City, it should be the Downtown Development project. If I remember correctly, it has not been acted on for the lack of twenty or thirty thousand dollars. Which is it -- twenty or thirty? UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Forty. MR. REESE: Forty -- for forty thousand dollars. MAYOR KENNEDY: When this came before us, Mr. Reese, Mr. Acton made the recommendation on which firms we should take. It was Mr. Acton's recommendation in conjunction with Mr. Williams. MR. REESE: That is correct, but J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER .70 151 MAYOR KENNEDY: One second. We passed on the one that Mr. Acton Wanted, and it was told to us that the cost would be a certain amount. Now this man, this planning firm, has come up with a much higher figure, and that is why this plan has not been done. Also, Mr. Acton has said he is going to wait until the D.O.T. plan is done for the DuPont Plaza area. Well, hell may freeze over before that is done. I have been fighting for over a year to get that contract signed with the State D.O.T., and they still have not signed that contract. So if we have to wait for the State D.O.T. to complete a study that may not be signed for six months, and then it is going to take them a year to eighteen months to complete, and we are going to hold up our downtown development study for that long to get the input from that study, then I do not think that we have a Planning Department that is on the ball. COMMISSIONER GORDON: Correct; and I reiterate, in January of 1971, I asked for a study of J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 152 the uses on the river bank of the Miami River, and today, in April of 1972, we are as far along as we were then. I am very disappointed that we have not been able to progress in this field, and that is just another area of concern that we are going to be facing soon. MAYOR KENNEDY: And I would like to have next week, if you, Mr. Reese, would set up a meeting with Mr. Williams and Mr. Acton. I would like to have this thing resolved as far as the planning study for the downtown area. We have voted on it and nothing has been done. If this firm does not want to stay within the price range that was agreed upon, let us readvertise the proposals and let us get a firm who will do it with the money that we do have. I am sure we will get a firm that will do it. We do not want to wait for a year and a half to get a D.O.T. study to come in to have the input to do the reevaluation of our downtown development MR. HOLLO: Honorable Mayor and leviA immdM pno1.6 t?,12 ;Incd AW JJ54L1 b9inib Oi pal:op DIE ii1;71 1Livn,.- :z ail j3F ;q:10',.., c7,..)- —i1 blucw 1 -r ...- 15171L ao 153 Commissioners, I want to thank you in my name and in the name of my City for your insight, foresight, and progressive thinking. Thank you. [Thereupon, the hearings was concluded at 7:30 p.m.] J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER 'Fill rt IA) 6 ' j)..1 2 S O • IIIMEREW 154 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER I, JOANNE F. HOPKINS, a court reporter in and for the State of Florida at Large, do hereby certify that I reported in shorthand the proceedings had before the City Commission of the city of Miami on April 20, 1972, at City Hall, Dinner Key, Miami, Florida, commencing at 4:15 p.sm; that the foregoing pages numbered one through 153, constitute a true and correct transcription of my stenographic notes. Dated this day of August, 1972. JOANNE F. HOPKIN$ COURT REPORTER J. P. GREEN COURT REPORTER oo r r. SC"7 a r FLORIDA EAST COAST PROPERTIES, INC. 1605 BISCAYNE BOULEVARD, MIAMI, FLORIDA 33132 • PHONE 01.9561 September 19, 1972 City Clerk City of Miami City Hall Dinner Key Miami, Florida Re: City Commission Meeting Notes April 20, 1972 Dear Sir: On August 15, 1972 we were informed by Miss Joanne F. Hopkins of J.P. Green, Court Reporter, that she delivered to you a copy of the captioned Hearing, the portion of which concerned Plaza Venetia. Upon her verbal report to us and upon receipt of a copy of the Notes ourselves, we accepted the fact that she had complied with your wishes although 4 months late. This morning, Mr. Watson's office informed me that you had never received same. I apologise for that but had no way of knowing. Enclosed is the Report Miss Hopkins gave us for our files. If I can be of further assistance, please contact me. Sincerely, FLORIDA EAST COAST PROPERTIES, INC. (1 `rne stine Gray Assistant to Mr. Hollo eg Enclosure