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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC 1973-09-25 MinutesCITY OF MIAMI SPECIAL COMMISSION MINUTES OF MEETING HELD ON SEPTEMBER 25, 1973 ---------- PREPARED BY THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK CITY HALL EXCERPTS OF MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF MIAMI,FLORIDA September 25,1973 Mayor Kennedy:One other item to be brought up, and that is my motion to lease to Metro for a period of one year the Orange Bowl Stadium, the P4arine Stadium and Miami Baseball Stadium. Mr.s'. Gordon: Mr. Mayor, I again must ask you to make mention of some method of determining the amount of the rent that will be paid to the City for it. Mayor Kennedy: You can't do it now, Rose, it is going to have to be negotiated by the City Administration, the City and the County Attorneys and Mr. Goode's office, and this is a motion of intent, and then they have the negotiations and then they have got to come back to this City Commission to approve it and they have to come back to the Metro Commission to approve it. You have got all those safe guards. You can't set a price now. Mrs. Gordon: It is a policy then what you are after? Mayor Kennedy: It is a policy. Mrs. Gordon: A11 right, I second your motion. Mr. Plummer: Let me understand Mr. Mayor, ---you are setting a policy, you not asking for them to gather the facts to come back to this Commission and rer ort to us, exactl y so we can lay the facts on the top of the table. What I am sayirr is this, Mr. Mayor, I am not trying to dispute your word or your motion. I would have prefer.ect that we give the authority to the City Manager and to the County Manager to investigate the possibility of this so they could lay the facts before us on the table to see what exactly we are doing. Mr. Mayor, 1 personally, you know I have heard Mr. Andrews, 1 have heard some disputing from Mr. Rothstein, if it is a motion made, that we get all the facts and lay them on top of the table, then we set a policy, I would vote with the motion. and I think this has to be done. 1 really do. Rev. Gibson: That is not what he said, Mr. Plummer. Mr. Plummer: I understand that but I just want it for clarification. Mr. Reboso: ILr. Mayor, I would like to hear the City Manager's recommendation. Mr. Andrews: What is that? Mr. Reboso: I would like to hear from you in this motion. Mr. Andrews: It is my recommendation of course, that the City Commission not transfer or lease anything to Metr.o,:olitari DF do County. From my point of view, I think the Ci.tv e :tremely fortunate in the tax dollars that it collects and how these tax dollars are used. If you e::ciude the debt service V2`if7 requirement from the City's considerations for '73 and '74, the City will collect, based on the millage that you have now, or will establish tomorrow, pay revenue from tax dollars amounting to approximately twenty-three million dollars. That twenty-three million dollars will only opez'ate fully the police department. Your number fire department, parks and recreation all, the public facilities, everything that the City of Miami accomplishes will be accomplished from other than tax dollars. I can't over -empha- size that because it is extremely important. I personally as an administrator, and you treat this problem differently, from the Point of administration, I see no advantage whatsoever in trans- ferring this to Metropolitan Dade County. As an administrator, I would be very concerned and Metropolitan Dade County would begin to use tax dollars on the Orange Bowl that has never been accomplished before, As has been stated earlier, the Orange Bowl, if our relationship with the Dolphins and the University and the Orange Bowl Committee, if we can demonstrate to them that we have their interest at hart, that we will take into consideration. their recommendations for improvements for the Orange Bowl,in two years the Dolphins will be in a position to make a major contribution to the advancement of the O. Bowl. We have some plans afoot that we were going to initiate, and I was going to come back to the City Commission which hopefully would put the Marine Stadium on a self -paying basis. There were things we were holding in abeyance to keep the profile of the Marine Statium such that it was to be used For m-irine purposes only. We want to advance some irograms to the Commission which would I am reasonably confident that in another year we can have the Marine Stadium on a self laying basis as well, and if you are looking for ,a recommendation from me, that's my recommendation that the City of Miami continue solvent, that we not make any additional transfers until such time as the Committee which Rev. Gibson and Commissioner Plummer serve on jointly with the County until they had an opportunity to examine preciseIly what the County role will be, and what the City of Miami's role will be in the future, and this is something that should have been started 15 years ago. We have been squabbling in a way with the County for nearly 15 years because we haven't properly delineated precisely what Metro will do and the City of Miami will do. And I think that is the point of beginning, that is the intitial.step. Mrs. Gordon: May I ask you some information Mr. Andrews? Regarding the proposed improvement that Mr. Reese had proposed when he was City Manager and that he proposed would be paid by the money from the Fla. Power and Light franchise funds, ---well i.sn't it possible that we would have these monies for some other Zressing community situations if you don't use it for the O.I3ow1? Mr,. Andrews: I can't deny that, but let's look at the O. Bowl from the standpoint, Mr. Plummer: ;4r. Andrews, so that Mrs. Gordon is not mislead unless I am under a misconception, the Fla. Power & Light franchise can only be used for capital improvements, --no other community services, only capital improvements. Mr. Andrews: She is saying can't those be in other areas of capital improvements is the way I understood her to say. Mir. Plummer: She didn't say. 0/25/73 • a Mrs. Gordon: It was understood, Mr.Andrews: I took it she meant that it was to be used for capital improvements. Mrs. Gordon: Cf course. Mr. Andrews: That is true. I don't know if you, ---- how much value you will place on what I am about to tell you now, but I place a great dearOf value on what I am about to say, and that is, the City of Miami is composed of 3600 employees. They just don't bump out fenders and attach them to vehicles. They render all kinds of services, and they have pride in this City and if you begin transferring those things that make the City of :Miami exciting, dinamic, and reduce it to garbage collection and reduce it to a few other functions, you really robbed the City employees from performing the kind of exciting services that they think they are performing. I think this is a very important erement for you to consider. Mr. Plummer: May I ask Mr. Andrews a couple of questions? Mr. Andrews, unless I am completely out of character, if we transferred the 0. Bowl to Metropolitan Dade County, we cannot transfer that j:o'ssibi.lity of funding with it, correct? In other words we can't give to Metroj::olitc1n dade counl.y our franchise of the Fier. tower & Light, so in fact, Metropolitan Dade! County would. have to USG tax-iollars if the improvements were Lo be ..nJ Cw' Well, I wonta 1 ri_., 1it1F.' so, ---determination would have to be mde as to how they would j:rop-ose to fund these improvements, and from what :Ir. Robbie has been quoted, in the news1'81 e'r, can:] the statements tilt:',., rilde to me at lunch, both he and ii':. Stanford, they st ec1 ri c;hll.y said if this :'ere Lranterred that these improvements could be j crfor.11c.. on a broad ta':i ltu 1:PS(2 USin(J :ietro; •01i t:+n a'AC'C' ti... U.1)a 5(:7 to prop'' CkC the mrro 'f IIlC:iht: , Li nil that is the I .art i. tried to stress that; the .1.tv t7. .1ini:1] is not jO1.ne to u c ,t valorem t aN ._ . It has not used . _. valorem to ;es in the past. .L.. 1.r,+ t.rai:te'.l to take i' poll, I think it :is the only major sports comple:-: in the Unite' St:ates that doer not require some form of ad valorem taxes to supi-ort it. The City of Miami as the C. .fo\'J1.. sets r1.t,•ht: now, has invested /�million dollars i.'1 capital improvements and those improvements and those i.m-- t.rovement:"; are worth about 25 to 30 million dollars not includ?.ncj land. If you warted to build the 0. moll as it is now, you'd spt'nd 20 to 25 million dollars, if not 30 million dolldr.s. And you've got where you are c:•i11 7'1 million dollars. z•1r. Plummer: I disagree \'ith you sir, if you look at the statistics as I 'looked at, a cal aci ty seatiny of 80 , 000 peoj. lc. in the Ncw Ur.lcars Stadium um we are talking about a project that starter at A2 million dollars , and now 1r30,0f0,000. Andrews: In fairness you wouldn't want to make that comparison, because you would be corm ar. i.ng a facility that was of little higher }:.rice that-. the 0. Bowl. :Ir. Plummer: Let me get back to my ori.ctinal question, that right now, it does not cost, and I clot' t think i•1r. Robbie, -- you can disagree with me if .'ant sir, or anybody who doesn't want the improvements. This Commission 1.'ent unanimous, --we wanted the i.mf_-rovements. I think all the major tenants said yes, we want the i mj. rovernents . Now, what I'm trying to make a point is this, the County Noes not have the same funding that we have for re-neyoti.iation of the franchise, which is solely dedicated to capital imi. rovements. They have made the 9/25/73 statement that if the improvements are to be made, and everybody pants them, then it will be on a broad tax base. Well, I've got to remind some people that the Citizens of Miami pay 27% of that broad tax base, so in fact we are talking about that the people of the City of Miami then would be taxed for the improvements to the O.Bowl. If my thinking is wrong, tell me. CITY OF MVMI DOCUMENT INDEX MEETING DATE: "SPECIAL" SEPTEMBER 25,197 ITEM NO DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION COMMISSION ACTION RETRIEVAL CODE NO. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 COMMISSION AGENDA & CITY CLERK REPORT FUNDS BUDGET 1973-74 PAY COST OF MOVING A PORTABLE BUILDING FOR CENTRO MATER POLICY OF CITY COMMISSION THAT FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING FUNDS SHALL BE USED FOR GOVERNMENTAL ORIENTED SERVICES FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 1973-74 FOR LEGAL SERVICES PROGRAM 1973-1974 FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING BUDGET FOR PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMS 1973-74 FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING BUDGET FOR HIGH INTENSITY STREET LIGHTING EXPANSION PROGRAM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING BUDGET FISCAL YEAR 1973-74 FOR THREE LAW ENFORCEMENT PROGRAMS FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING BUDGET 1973-74 FOR ASSISTANCE TO THE "WOMEN IN DISTRESS" PROGRAM" FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING BUDGET 1973-74 FOR THREE MODEL DAY CARE CENTERS CONDOLENCES - LATE FULLER WARREN R-73-727 R-73-728 R-73-729 R-73-730 001 73-727 73-728 73-729 73-730 R-73-731 73-731 R-73-732 73-732 R-73-740 73-740 R-73-741 73-741 R-73-753 73-753