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COMMISSION
MINUTES
OF MEETING HELD ON SPECIAL MEETING-TUESDAY, August 7, 1913
PREPARED BY THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK
CITY HALL
H. D. SOUTHERN
CITY CLERK
RALPH G. QNGIE
ASSISTANT CITY CLERK
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SPECIAL MEETING
AUGUST 7, 1973
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CITY OWNED PROPERTY AT 46 WEST FLAGLER
STREET
AGREEMENT BETWEEN CITY OF MIAMI AND "MR.
REVITZ" IN BEHALF OF FLAGLER CENTER
BUILDING
LEASE 110 WEST FLAGLER STREET -TAX AND
LICENSE DIVISION
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73-642
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SPECIAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING
TUESVAV, Auguat 1, 1973
On the 7th day ob Augu4t, 1973, the City Commi6 4.on os the City
o b Miami, Uchida met at their kegutan meeting pi.ace at City Hat,
Miami, Fton.Lda in apec.Lap aeaa.Lon eatted by Vice Mayon Reverend Theodore
G.Lbaon to con4idek bua.Lneaa os pubti c import. Carted to Orden at 9:10 A.M.
Upon tort cat the SoUUow.Lng membena )S the Commission were bound
to be pneaent: Reverend G,Lbaon, Mk. Rebo.sc and Mn..aGordan.
ABSENT: Mt. P.eummen and Mayon Fenne.
An invocation wa4 detivened by Reverend Theodore G.Lbaon who ,then
.fed tho4a pnea ent in a pLedge o b attegLance to the F.eag .
1, CITY OWNED PROPERTY AT 46 WEST FLAGLER STREET
Mr. Reese: Mr. Vice -Mayor and members of the Commission,
in keeping with the wishes of the City Commission pertaining to
the property at 46 West Flagler Street, the City Administration
proceeded to endeavor whereby the City's operations could be
relocated in, in order to convert this property eventually into
a City park. We had been able to locate a piece of property west
of the railroad tracks on Flagler Street, it could be rented for
a period of three years. It would cost the City between four and
five dollars a square foot, ---four dollars a sq. ft. and the
additional dollar is the way of looking at the cost to prepare the
building to be used for the City purposes. This property has air
conditioning and the only thing that has to be done to it is a
balcony area created in order to get the necessary sq. footage
for files. It would be suitable and adequate for the purposes of
the City. Also it givesthe people the opportunity to walk in and
pay their occupational licenses as they previously did. They would
not have to go to a second floor, or upon an elevator. This opera-
tion downtown is a source of considerable revenue, and convenience
to the public has to be part of the consideration.
In discussing this problem with Mr. Revitz, we recognize that
hs is a contractor and also the City has a contractor. Mr. Revitz
has stated he would have to spend $14,500.00 a year to destroy or
remove the improvements located on 46 W. Flagler and also he would
need this property for one year during construction. This $14,500.
a year, if it cost them that much to demolish the building, is equal
to $3.24 a sq. ft. of the amount of money that could be interpreted
to rert this property for a construction period of one year. because
we would have to spend this $14,000. if we demolish the building,so
he is demolishing the building, or he stated he would, and pay for
it and in this way I say he is paying $23.24 a sq. ft. for rental
of property. Also, he has stated that at the conclusion of the
period when the park is to be developed, that he was pilling to
donate $50,000.00 for the development of this park. I think this
is a consideration as well as all other considerations, if the City
Commission is so inclined, has to be reduced to writing. hz. also
have to get it well established that the building that is now being
constructed has no entrances or exits that would lead onto a public
park. A public park is not a public dedicated right-of-way that you
can use for any one facility to have entrances or exits on it. There
would also have to be an agreement worked out between Mr. Revitz and
also the City of Miami where it would hold this City absolutely
harmless for any event that might happen during construction or
up to the point the City uses it as a park, and of course the
hold harmless would not apply at that period. Also the City Com-
mission should consider passing a resolution today, if you adopt
this to authorize the City administration to have the necessary
funds taken from the parks bond issue for downtown parks anduse
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those funds to pay off the publicAthat exists on the property at
46 W. Flagler and the outfit that holds the mortgage on it is the
City of Miami pension system.
If this construction period runs beyond, ---if the need for
this 46 Flagler St. runs beyond one year, / think theCity should
get a fair rental fee for the use of this property until the con-
struction period is over with. Most construction doesn't close
out in exactly 12 months, it takes a little bit longer, and I
think there ought to be a fair rental established for the use
of the land at that time. These are the proposals that the adminis-
tration has to the City Commission in order to turn this over or
into a park.
Vice -Mayor Gibson: All right.
Mrs. Gordon: Your recommendations for the relocation of
the departments that are not being housed in that building,
would you repeat them please?
Mr. Reese: My recommendation is that these people be vacating
the building at 46 W. Flagler and moved to this new site west of
the railroad tracks that would be rented space. There will be a possible
three year lease on it if the City Commission is interested in a
three year lease.
Mrs. Gordon: And what is the rental, did you say?
Mr. Reese: Location is 110 W. Flagler, the rent is $4,800.00
a year and the sq. footage cost in this is 1,615 sq. ft. and it
would figure out with the alterations to run us between four and
five dollars a sq. ft. The actual raw sq. footage rental is $2.97.
Mrs. Gordon: In other words,you are figuring the renovations of
would you give me the figure please.
Mr. Reese: It is somewhere between, well I'll say five dollars
as a rental for renovation. The City can't amortize it. We have to
disperse it, ---
Mrs. Gordon:I mean total dollars , Mr. Reese, I was trying to
get a figure from you, what you figure the renovations in total
dollars will cost, not on a sq. ft. basis.
Mr. Reese: Approximately eight thousand dollars.
Mrs. Gordon: And what was your point is,to have to do to the
property in order to bring it. --
Mr. Reese: TO put up a balcony that would be suitable to
hold files and records, --
Mrs. Gordon: In other words a storage area?
Mr. Reese: That's right. And the balance would be forthe
cleaning up and fixing up the place.
Mrs. Gordon: Your main reason for desiring to place the
offices in this building, as opposed to the other, is the con-
venience of the floor level entry for people using it,is that it?
Or amount of work it would cost the City is less in the long run?
Mr. Reese: Over the years the people that use this facility,
use it solely to come in and pay and get their receipts ad licenses
and everything else, all in one trip. It is on ground level. If it
is in an office building, it is less convenient, less identifiable
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and if we are located in a spot that we are, -that is the City of
Miami, is going to be more suitable that it is in an office space.
Mrs. Gordon: Another question, Mr. Reese, would we be obliged
to take a three year lease, or would we be taking a one year with
two options or what?
Mr. Reese: That I can't answer. Mr. Andrews tells me it is
open and can be taken for one year, with an option for the next
year and the following war. with a maximum of three years.
Mrs. Gordon: We certainly aren't hoping to remain in that
as a permenant type of facility. We are hoping we will have
something the City can use that we could house more than that
one department and hopefully it will be in the downtown area.
How a long a period of time do you think it will be before you
might have such a permanent facility available for the City.
Do you figure the time would coincide with the three year
period?
Mr. Reese: The government center?
Mrs. Gordon: Yes. .
Mr. Reese: I don't think the goverment center will be occupied
in three years.
Mrs. Gordon: You think we are going to need this little
building for more than three years, or move again.
Mr. Reese: Or else move again, but this is right across
from the goverment center.
_ Mrs. Gordon: I know that, both locations are in the same
general vicinity. Mr. Reese, how much money would the Revitz
firm charge: the City for their office space after the three
ronths concession period?
Mr. Reese: Was 6 dollars a sq.ft. the figure that you gave
me, Sir?
Mrs.Gordon: And for what period of time is that available
to the City.
(In -audible reply from unidentified person.)
Mrs. Gordon: I have no further questions.
Mr. Reese: In order the refresh the City Commission's memory
the administration come back in sometime ago, or came into the
City Commission with the report pointing out the condition of
that building down there. We haven't been able to use the 2nd
floor, at 46 Flagler for some time, because of.the deterioration
of the structure, so we vacated the 2nd f).00r,several years ago
there was a bad rainstorm and the drainage blocked up and etc.
so the 2nd floor is in unoccupied position. And recognizing that
a number of people were interested in the site, I suggested we
ought to put it up for sale, but the City Commission through
their wisdom decided it should be a park. So in keeping with this
park program, this is the way we are following the City Commission's
wishes.
Mrs. Gordon: One more question for you to answer, is the
thousand sq. ft. an inadequate space for what you need?
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Mr. Reese: The 1500 sq. ft. I'm quite sure will meet the
needs.
Mrs. Gordon: I am speaking of the one the Revitzes are offering
to us. I think I remember, it was only a thousand feet, is that
correct?
Mr. Reese: I dont remember what the exact sq. ft.
(Inaudibl. a reply)
Mrs. Gordon: Are you saying then the space is the same,
the amount of space available is the same, because that is
the consideration I think, ----
Unidentified Person: Mrs. Gordon I didn't hear you, --
Mrs. Gordon: I thought I recalled a thousand sq. ft. in
some of our previous conversations were available.
Mr. Revitz: That is correct. There are a few spaces in the
building that measure a thousand sq. ft. that were offered to the
City and when they came down to look at them, they also looked
at a space Ibelieve had 1500 sq. ft. so that is the way it stood.
Mrs. Gordon: Where was that?
Mr. Revitz: The 1500 ft. I believe was on the 3rd floor,
to the rear of the 3rd floor but that was 1500 ft. and that's
more than I offered in my original offer.
Mrs. Gordon: Thank you. Mr. Reboeo or Fr. Gibson, do you
have anything,----
Vice-Mayor Gibson: No. Mr. Reese, are these suggestions
and recommendations, do we have them in writing ?
Mr. Reese: No we don't have them in writing other than we
have a verbal commitment on the rented apace subject to the City
Commission's action and a potential rented space. But we have
discussed all of these items with the exception of the hold -harmless
provisions and also the cost if we run beyond the year, but we had
met and had discussed and Mr. Revitz places an almost impractical
deadline and burden on the City to comply with this, but if it is
the wishes of the City Commission I'm quite sure it can be done.
All items would be put in writing, if it is the wishes of the City
Commission.
Vice -Mayor Gibson: My personal reaction is all the provisos you
raise or ask for or should be made, certainly if we are going to
vote we ought to vote knowing that's what we are going to get.
I thought the staff had that ready. I mean I thought you were
going to say to us, okay we've done our homework, these are the
things and pass the copies to Mr. Revitz. He ought to know that
is what we are going ,--
Mr. Revitz: We understand that Fr. Gibson, the only thing
that has not been discussed is the hold -harmless, and that's not
a problem at all, I think the City is entitled to it and we will
certainly indemnify the City against any problems that can happen
on that property while we occupy.
Vice -Mayor Gibson: I love everybody, but I know when money
starts moving, a lot of love goes out the window. I will be• most
happy , I'll be much happier I am sure, and if all those provisos
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are written and passed here, and items prepared to take the time
to wait before Y vote. I am not going to vote until I get them.
The others may be willing to. but I want tham written so the public
will know that we are going to be diligent about their rights,and
this is not against you.
Mr. Revitz: I understand.
Vice -Mayor: I just want, for instance, Mr. Reese said Item 1
2,3,4,5,---see I must protect the man who is not here, who other
wise will raise these questions. I'd like to have them written.
Can we do that?
Mr.Levenson : Fr. perhaps this will help, the proposal that
we made is in writing, and if executed by Mr. Revitz on behalf
of the Flagler center building, whatever else the City might want
we will re-sign. There is no it is really mechanics.
Vice -Mayor Gibson: Let me say this, I understand what you
are saying, but I don't think you understand what I am saying.
Mr. Levenson: What you want is is eAlcuted
proposal,---
Vice-Mayor:--and I want Mr. Reese, to put in writing those
provisos, ---they sound reasonable and just to me, I'd like to
get them, ---
Mr. Reese: Canon Gibson,I came back to the City Commission
in keeping with the previous instructions of getting together
with these people, to see if we could work out something and I
think the date of August 6 was the deadline placed on us, we
endeavored to meet this deadline and here we are on the 7th and
all I am doing is bring forth these different points to this
City Commission to say, if you want these incorporated or any
additional points in this agreement and then we proceed on that
to develop this agreement, and then supply the agreement back
to the City Commission, but in the meanwhile can proceed as long
as we cover all these points.
Mr. Levenson: May I suggest something, whatever the resolution
the City adopts setting forth what the terms of the contract will
be, the contract will follow that and we must execute it or we
don't have an understanding, and there is nothing that bas been
stated by Mr. Reese that has not been discuesed other than the
hold harmless and that is reasonable. It is just that it never
came up, so we have insurance anyway so everybody will be covered.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Reese, would you or the City have to incur
other additional expenses for the 2nd alternative facility, that
they would not have to incur beside the renovation in the one being
offered to us by Mr.Revitz, meaning insurance or whatever other
kind of expenses you might know about. Did you hear me? I asked
you a question.
Mr. Reese: I would gladly answer if you repeat it.
Mrs. Gordon: We are doing an analysis of cost as well as
convenience in this alternative as opposed to the original
consideration. I am asking you are there any other kind of
expenses that we should consider, such as perhaps as additional
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insurance coverage that the second facility would incur that we
are being indemnified against and not having to pay as I under-
stand it, in Mr. Revitz's building. Is that correct?
Mr. Reese: We would have the same insurance on this City
of Miami property if it was located in Mr. Revitz's building
or anybody else's, and also you've got to keep in the cost to
move. We've got to move and I'd much prefer move once for
three years than move for a short period of time.
Mrs. Gordon: I thought I understood we could there, either
place for three years, is that correct or not.
Mr. Revitz: You could stay in the Roberts Building
indefinitely but the offer we made was for three months free
rent, then after that the proposal was the City pay the going
rate and we worked it out with Mr. Reese the going rate was
more than the City wanted to pay so we agreed at six dollars.
That's where we were at that, and now he found space that is
more suitable at a lower rate.
Mrs. Gordon: Are you willing to meet it? You are not?,
you withdraw from that?
Mr. Revitz: We never made that offer.
Mrs. Gordon: I'm asking would you meet the other rate.
Mr. Revitz: At $4.00 a foot,
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Reese said four or five, now
Mr. Reese: Mrs. Gordon, let me get the record again, the
sq. ft. rental is $2.97 a sq ft for the space I am referring to.
Then I said the cost of improvements is going to bring it up to
approximately $5.00 a sq. ft. because we are amortizing the cost
over a three year period.
Mrs.Gordon:I understand, ---
Mr. Reese: I want it to be understood all the way along
so there can be no misunderstanding.
Mrs. Gordon: I am not disputing but the cost is cost whether
it is costing us one way, or costing us another way.
Mr. Reese: I appreciate that I don't back away from it, but
is it worth something to have it on the ground floor.
Mrs. Gordon: I don't know if it is or not.
Mr. Reese: It has been worth something over the years.
Mrs. Gordon: It may be a security factor not having it on
the first floor, and I would like to think about.
Mr. Reese: Well, I hope a City facility doesn't have to worry
about the security factor.
Mrs. Gordon: I don't know if a City facility is a special
exception when we are talking about security.
Mr. Levenson:Mrs. Gordon I think there is something else
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that should enter into consideration. The City has expense that
could be broken down per sq. ft. where they are now, and I
don't what the comparison is, but obviously there is an expense
where they are. I believe that none of this is really costing
the City anything and the City is gaining at lease $50,000. not
counting the cost demolition or anything like that.
Mrs. Gordon: Are you then saying that you would not make
available to us the extra consideration cf the park development
sums if we do not take your office space, is that what I under-
stand?
Mr. Levenson: Not at all. What I am saying to you is
that where the City is currently located has some cost factor,
and I don't know the cost factor, but I don't think it would
run less than what it is going to cost to make this move and
rent this other space, so that all the things we are offering
are really a plus to the City, is what I'm saying.
Mrs. Gordon: I realize there are pros and cons in there
evenly,they are not one that's not dramatically better than the
other or dramatically worse in my thinking, but very close in
identity. Mr. Reese places a.great value on the floor level,
the street level entrance to the building and I don't know how
my fellow commissioners feel because they haven't voiced their
opinion, but I certainly would like to hear from them. I know
it is going to, --feel like they are waiting for me to make the
sole decision for them, so why don't they speak up.
• Mr. Levenson: What I am saying is this, the City's current
operation located at 46 Flagler St. has a cost factor that can
be broken down per sq. ft. I am certain that when that is calcu-
lated and the rentals that is paid to the retirement fund who
owns that property under this lease arangement, if that were
calculated, compared to the move at $2.90 a sq. ft. plus the
renovation, I am certain they work out exactly the same way
or very close. You can't operate for much less than that .What
I am saying is everything else that we are offering to the City
is really a plus, because you have the same cost factors anyway.
Mrs. Gordon: Do you provide and will you give the City the
maintenance of the daily services that most office buildings
give to their tenants.
Mr..Levension: In the Roberts Building? Yes. Three months,
of course, janitorial, air conditioning and all that, yea.
Mrs. Gordon: Do we take that into consideration Mr. Reese?
Mr. Reese: We've endeavored to take it into consideration
also we didn't set a price on what it would cost us to modify
the Revitz space in order to make it suitable for the function
that we perform down there. We didn't take that into consideration.
Mrs. Gordon: That is a consideration.
Mr. Reese: I know it is, but we didn't spend the time after
we saw the space, to sit down and figure out what it would a)st
us for the necessary remodeling of the facilities.
Mrs. Gordon: Then we can ask Mr. Revitz if he would do the
remodeling in that facility.
Mr. Revitz: I could not do it at that price. At six dollars
a foot there will be, you know, when space is going 7 and for
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my building, ----
Mrs. Gordon: Well there is some prestige in having the
City in your building.
Mr. Revitz: Which way?
Mrs. Gordon: A plus factor
Vice -Mayor Gibson: Mr. Reese, maybe the record will reflect. ---
tell us what those things are that Mr. Reese said he thought
we ought to get. Do you need, ---please, I want to hear them,
and I want to write them down,
Mr. Reese: On the agreement? No. 1-• is that there can
be no exit or entrance designed into this new building that
would come across park land, that would use the park lands
as a public right of way or walkway, this has to be in the
agreement, there also has to be a hold -harmless agreement
written whereby the City is held harmless for any act or
activities that would be carried on on this property, during
the time Mr. Revitz is using it, also I suggested that any
period of time that would run over the year would be a charge
of what ever the Commission sets, but I say $5.00 a sq. ft.
and also this Mr. Revitz is going to spend $14,500. which is
his estin.;:.c for demolition of the building, which figures out
to approximately $3.24 a sq. ft. as rental to the City of Miami
for this property for one year, now these are the items stated
for consideration by the City Commission. The reason and rationale
behind the arriving at a .cost per sq. ft. of renting public lands
is so that it can't be misunderstood that the City of Miami is
giving public lands available to one developer to use during
a construction period free of charge
Mrs. Gordon: Somebody calculate for me if I am right or
wrong the annual rental of the space that Mr. Revitz is offering
to us, 1500 sq. ft. at $6.00 a sq. ft. as up to 9,000.00 a year,
is that ccrrect?
Mr. Revitz: No, Commissioner, the space I offered was a
thousand sq. ft. for three months, now if you were to take the
1500 sq. ft. and multiply that by $6.00 that is $9,000.00 a year.
Mrs. Gordon: Yes, but we can't get along with a thousand
I should think. We might think along what we need and not what
sounds good, so we weed more space than a thousand, and I'm not
even sure that 1500 is sufficient. I mean Mr. Reese knows the
size that he needs, I don't, but I say 15 is much closer to the
16--15 he mentioned before the other facility had, so I am cal-
culating on the basis of 15, that adds up to $9,000.00 for a year
and for three years adds up to $27,000.00. I don't have a calculator,
what is the cost to the City for three years on the other property
Mr. Reese?
too?
Mr. Reese: $14,400.00,--
Mrs. Gordon: As opposed to 27, and that in cludes the renovation
Mr. Reese: No, the renovation are 3/8ths ,
Mrs. Gordon: We have to count everything to be fair in
analyzing something like this.
Mr. Reese: I understand that,---
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Mrs. Gordon: How much would it be, would you please?
Mr. Reese: Three times eight is how much, ---
Mrs. Gordon: I'm not figuring, you do the figuring, ---
Mr. Reese: Three times eight must be twenty four.
Mrs. Gordon: So the difference you are talking about
is three thousand dollars.
Mr. Reese: Yes.
Mrs. Gordon: But that is the same amount I guess we
will be getting forthe three month concession.
Mr. Revitz: But you neglected to add in the cost of
renovation of the Roberts Bldg if there is a possible renova-
tion.
Mrs. Gordon: We are doping you are going to see things
maybe,
Mr. Revitz: That will be impossible. I don't even know
what type of renovations are necessary, but at the cost of
$6.00 a foot it would be impossible to include any renovations
whatsoever. I would have a revolution in my building if the
people in my building found out the City was only paying $6.00.
Mrs. Gordon: I think that you
Mr. Revitz beyond what your people
also the convenience you are going
of property made available for you
You wouldn't be here talking to us
have another consideration
would think. You are thinking
to have by having this piece
for the use you need it for.
in the first place, ---
Mr. Revitz: But I am paying $80,000. for that privilege.
Mrs. Gordon: I recognize that but cost is only secondary
to need sometimes, if you need you pay, if you don't need you
don't buy it for a nickle.
Mr. Revitz: There is a limit to everything, and I think we
have more than reached our limit in this situation.
Mrs. Gordon: I have a little booklet which was sent to me
which is very apropo to what we are doing this morning, and I
show it to you, some of the elected official think money grows
on trees, but it doesn't in this picture, ---it's a picture of
a tree with money growing on it, so we are analyzing what we have
to do, we have to analyze what it is going to cost to us and this
is a factor. You have reached your limit in what you can do and
Mr. Reese's proposition saves the City money, then we have to
think that Mr. Reese's recommendation is the one we have to work
with, and I think, in my opinion, the prime consideration, ---
dollars and cents.
Mr. Levenso n:Commissioner Gordon, I don't disagree with
what you say but in order for that analysis to be complete you
must know what it costs now, and I know the City pays under
its lease with the retirement fund who has title to the property
to the First Natl Bank, is $18,000. a year rent now, so you
are actually saving money. You have to consider that when you
talk about what it is going to cost to operate elsewhere, and
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I don't know what other expenses you have in up -keep and main-
tenance there. You've got to take that into account.
Mrs. Gordon: I really appreciate your bringing that fact
to the table, because it is something we ought to know, but
I don't think it is a factor in deciding between your location
and the other ane because that factor is an existing factor
that will be eliminated in the future so you don't need to
think of it any more. Anyway we've determined that without
the cost of renovating your building we are almost equal and
the factor that we need to know which we don't know is the
unknown factor of what it would cost to house our personnel
in your building so this is something that is necessary in order
to make a final determination.
Mr. Reese: Again, the attorney was talking in my ears
so I haven't got the ability to turn one ear on and one ear
off, ---
Mrs. Gordon: So I'll repeat my question, my question was
that a final determination would require a figure for the
renovation of the Roberts space.
Mr. Levenson: One thing certain, Commissioner Gordon,
it is not going to work out for less than $5.00 a ft. It
can't because after three months it is $6.00 a ft. and Mr.
Reese has gotten this phase, renovations included, ---
Mrs. Gordon: And yours is 6, but you favored giving us
a three months grace period and I'm taking that off as a
deduction and applied to the over-all amount of the lease.
Mr. Levenson: But it is trivial in terms of a three
years period, that is $1500.00 when you break it down.
Mrs. Gordon: But in dollars, for three months, is how
much, is three thousand dollars.
Mr. Levenson: No, it is $1500.00. A thousand feet,
Mrs. Gordon: No, it is only 1500 ft, you must remember, --
Mr. Levenson: --but a thousand feet at $6.00 a ft. for
a year is $6,000.00, and three months, a quarter of that, ---
Mrs. Gordon: I know but I am assuming you were going to
get ----work the string only 1500, am I wrong?
Mr. Levenson: I thought so.
Mrs. Gordon: My calculations were being based upon your
giving us three months whether we take the'larger or the smaller
space.
Mr. Revitz: Our offer was for three months of space based
on a thousand sq. ft. period.
Mrs. Gordon: Well, in that case I think Mr. Reese's offer
is for the best interest of the City.
Mr. Reese: The other aspects of it Mrs. Gordon is the
money we spend for renovation is increasing our total number of
sq. footage over the 1500, because we are making a balcony for
file space, so we are gaining the $8,000. that is spent for the
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alterations has to be recognized,of getting additional sq. footage.
It may not be prime office space, it is still a place for your
files and records.
Mrs. Gordon: Is there any other storage space that would be
available in the Revitz Bldg for us For that purpose without
any additional charges.
Mr. Reese: These files and so on, and our process are
fairly active during the months of August till at the beginning
of December. This is when they are very active, when the people
are coming in to make their payments and so on. So the files
would have to be within active working space. I don't know if
he has storage space for files, but is isn't dead storage, it
is active storage.
Mr. Revitz: We have no storage space in the building.
Mrs. Gordon: Would you like to deliberate for a while
Mr. Revitz? No deliberation necessary?
Mr. Revitz: I don't see the point. We have made our offer
and that is the maximum we can do, period.
Vice -Mayor Gibson: What is the wish of the Commission?
Mrs. Gordon: Well once again this Commission must
consider what is best for the City of Miami and what is best
for the City of Miami is to save the tax payers as much money
as we can, so I would accept the recommendation of the Manager.
Vice -Mayor Gibson: Is that a motion? Any further discussion?
Mrs. Gordon: Yes, that's a motion.
Vice -Mayor Gibson: Call the roll, please.
Asst. City Clerk: Mr. Rebobo,
Mr. Reboso: Yes.
Astt. City Clerk: Mrs. Gordon?
Mrs. Gordon: Yes.
Asst. City Clerk: Vice Mayor Gibson?
Vice Mayor Gibson: Yes.
Mr. Reese: Canon, Gibson, would your consider passing a
resolution authorizing the administration to proceed to develop
such a contract and agreement and enter into it, in conformance
with the conditions that were expressed here this morning. so that
we can proceed?
Mrs. Gordon: So that the record will reflect exactly what
we are speaking about. We would like you to reiterate the conditions
that you want included.
Mr. Reese: The conditions that are set forth is the City of
Miami would enter into an agreement with Mr. Revitz, put Revitz
in quotes because I think there is a corporation, and this agree-
ment would say that he is to demolish the improvements on the
real property located at 46 W. Flagler Street, and upon the demo -
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lition of this building, he then can use it for construction
purposes, construction site, again put that in quotes, because
it is an accepted term, for a period of one year, this cost
or revenue to the City for the rental for making this available
for one year is equivalent to $3.24 a sq. ft. rental which is
the number, and that figure is arrived at by taking the total
sq. footage of the land dividing it into $14,500. also that
"Mr. Revitz" will make available to the City of Miami $50,000.
as a donation upon the dedication of the park that is to be
built at 46 W. Flagler Street, and also if the need for this
particular site goes beyond one year,"Mr. Revitz" was willing
to pay rental of $5.00 per ft. for this construction site until
it is nolonger needed, that in the design of the building there
would be no entrance or exit on the new structure that is being
designed and built at this location, or adjoining this park
location, that would have any entrance or exits coming off
that building into the park, also that there would be hold -
harmless agreement arrived at between the City of Miami and
Mr. Revitz" and this agreement would be for the existence
of this site being used as a construction site, we would endeavor
to vacate this property, we being the City, as expediously as
possible, providing the City Commission gives us this authority
to rent the site or store front at 110 W. Flagler Street to be
utilized for the purpose of housing the functions now being
performed by the City at 46 W. Flagler. If it is the wishes of
the City Commission, we would also enter into a one year contract
with an option for a second and third year, ---
Mrs. Gordon: Do you think for our own protection we should
say three one year options?
Mr. Reese: 1 am not as knowledgeable as you are on the
real estate transactions, so whatever is the right way to do
it to the best interest to the City, I wish you would make
that suggestion.
Mrs. Gordon: I always look for the advantages to be on
the sideof the City.
Mr. Reese: I am not as knowledgeable on real estate trans-
actions as you are.
Mrs. Gordon: I would just say as long, as much as you can
get by way of option would be to our advantage.
Mr. Reese: Now, those are the conditions that are set
forth.
Mr. Revitz: May I suggest one thing?
Mr. Reese: May I conclude? Then there is one other resolution
that would have to be passed by the Commission stating that funds
from the parks bond program that were incorporated in that bond
issue for parks development in downtown Miami, that these funds
would be made available to pay off the balance due the pension
fund on the property at 46 W. Flagler, and thereby making a
clear t:.tle available to theCity of Miami on the land, and
second resolution passed giving theCity administration the basic
authority to enter into the arrangement to lease the space at 110
W. Flagler and to make the necessary funds available for the rental
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from the date it is rented till October 1, 1973, these funds
to be made available out of the contingency fund. Now, the reason
I say Oct. 1, 1973 this is the beginning of the new budget year
so we will have to incorporate the balance of the fund in the
new budget. These are the actions I see need to be taken to
consumate this this morning.
Mrs. Gordon: The one figure you gave that I did not catch
was the rental for park land after the one year. You mentioned
it but I did not hear it.
Mr. Reese: Five dollars a sq. ft.
Mr. Levenson: I want to interject one thought, in the
6th provision of the contract resolution, Mr. Reese said the
City would vacate as expeditiously as possible but for our
purposes in order for us to coordinante the public and private
sector interest, we must have that by no later than the 13th
of August. Actually we needed it last week, and if this is going
to serve any purpose, it has got to be then and no later than
that.
Mrs. Gordon: That is a determination that we can't make
up here, the one the Manager can make, --
Mr. Levenson: As a contracting party, what the resolution
will state will be the terms of that contract, and those will
be the only terms Mr. Reese will be able to agree to, but for
our purposes we can't contract unless that is in there, because
if it is after that date it is meaningless to us.
Mr. Reese: I think it is nice to take and establish an
arbitrary date, but the City administration has leaned over
backwards in this. Now, in order to be very practical, and
very realistic, here we are sitting on the 8th of August, right
now, and
Mrs. Gordon: the 7th,---
Mr. Reese: --the 7th and we are talking about the 13th
— this means we have to get this space rented, we have to get
these people moved out of there, all of this, and it is absolutely
an impossibility unless it is an emergency, or otherwith there
is going to be error made on `_he City's side somewhere, because
we have to sit down and negotiage a lease with these people and
if they said the 15th would give us a realistic piece of time and
we could get it accomplished.
Mrs. Gordon: That is only saying a week from tomorrow.
Mr. Levenson: Let me say this to everybody, we have been
trying to work this out to the mutual benefit of both since
October of last year, now just a minute, this is not an arbitrary
figure, we have construction commitments and we are currently
borrowing money at 111/4%, which means we've got problems but if
Mr. Reese wantstill the 15th, two days, I am certain is not
a problem, but it has to be a specific date, in otherwise there
is no purpose to it.
Mrs. Gordon: I as a Commissioner will not set that date.
Mr. Reese will have to do that because it is in his hands
whether or not it will happen in that period of time. I am not
going to set the date.
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Mr. Reese: I just wanted to see, the point is, that the
next step was that if you don't agree to this date, the deal
is off, well I just wanted to point out that so it doesn't
come back on the administration, we can do it I think by the
15th and try. everything to get it accomplished, but I wouldn't
this Commission to say go ahead and enter into this deal with
the stipulation that it had to be acoomplished, really, by the
close of business on the loth, if you throw the 13th in there.
This really what is being said.
Mrs. Gordon: If you can come to a conclusion on thr• sate
then that is all right with us, but if you can't th;►c is going
to be allright with us to. I am not going to force Mr. Reese
to do an impossible feat.
Mr. Levenson: Nobody can do the impossible.
Mrs. Gordon: Right, that's why you have to be reasonable.
No one knows, you know,you are going to tighten it so close,
that one day here or there is going to make or break your deal.
Mr. Levenson: Mr. Reese says the 15th, we will work it
the 15th,
Mrs. Gordon: I'd rather see him move it to the 17th and
not have to sweat. That's up to him. If he will do it,fine.
want
Vice -Mayor Gibson: Mr. Revitz, you and the gentleman, I
hope all of us who sit up here, as well as you who stand down
there will always be reasonable when you come to the Commission
and hope we will at all times be reasonable and fair by you.
Now, I hope as we pass this resolution, we pass it in that
sense, and I don't think we want the administration to be dragging
their feet, and we don't want you breathing down their necks.
We don't want the impossible and unreasonable, now the adminis-
tration can go and sit on their fannies and do nothing, and wait
till the last minute, and then you know if we say the 15th you
know everybody is breathing down now, brothers, anything you
like, I am not a lawyer, but I tell you what lawyers will tell
you, anything you write isn't worth the paper it is written on
unless the people who do the writing and signing have a will to
do. I shall always remember Sidney Aronovitz when he sat up there.
He said something I shall go to my God with, he said'where there's
a will there's a way'. Now the administration heard your plight.
I hope they act accordingly and don't go out here and drag their
feet.
Mr. Reese: I hope Rev. also,
Vice -Mayor Gibson: ----just a minute, I hope you will not
be breathing down their necks, you know, asking them to do the
impossible. Let's settle the matter, I think we are ready to go,
and let's use Mr. Reese's term, and the term carries with it
'no delay', that is what we are saying. We don't want anybody
to be shirking and jiving around here by this matter --that's
what it means. Can we get a motion?
Mrs. Gordon:
Mr. Lloyd,
Asst. City Atty:
Is it resolved between both of you?
I wonder if I might be indulged,---
Vice-Mayor Gibson: ---yes, Sir,
Mr. Lloyd: ------give the Commission the general form of
the resolution.
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Mr. Lloyd: I believe according to what Mr. Reese said
it would be a resolution authorizing and directing the City
Manager and City Clerk to execute an agreement with the
Flalger Center Bldg. for the right of the Flagler Center Bldg.
to use the 46 W. Flagler St. Property for their purposes as
enunciated by Mr. Reese as follows, and according to the following
terms and conditions as enunciated before this Commission and
further authorizing funds from the park bond program to be made
available to satisfy the mortgage on the 46 W. Flagler Building
as held by the pension fund.
Unidentified person: Is that right Mr. Reese?
Mr. Reese: Yes.
Mr. Lloyd: I think that will satisfy you Canon Gibson as
to terms and conditions.
Vice -Mayor Gibson: Right, right.
There upon the following resolution was introduced
by Mr. Reboso, who moved its adoption:
RESSOLUTION NO. 73-641
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY
MANAGER AND THE CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE AN AGREE-
MENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MIAMI AND "MR. REVITZ"
IN BEHALF OF THE FLAGLER CENTER BUILDING IN CON-
FORMANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: (a)
"MR. REVITZ" ACTING IN BEHALF OF FLAGLER CENTER
BUILDING IS TO DEMOLISH AT HIS OWN EXPENSE THE
IMPROVEMENTS TO REAL PROPERTY KNOWN AS 46 WEST
FLAGLER STREET AND UPON COMPLETION OF SUCH DEMO-
LITION, SAID PROPERTY IS TO BE USED BY "MR. REVITZ"
ON BEHALF OF FLAGLER CENTER BUILDING FOR USE AS A
"CONSTRUCTION SITE" FOR A PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED ONE
YEAR REPRESENTING A COST OF $3.24 PER SQ. FT. RENTAL
COST, (b) THAT "MR. REVITZ" WILL MAKE AVAILABLE $50,000.
AS A DONATION UPON DEDICATION OF PARK TO BE BUILT AT
46 WEST FLAGLER STREET; (c) THAT IF NEED FOR USE OF
THIS "CONSTRUCTION SITE" EXCEEDS A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR
THAT "MR. REVITZ" PAY A RENTAL FOR THE CONTINUED USE
OF THE PROPERTY AT THE RATE OF $5.00 PER SQ. FT. ;
(d) THAT IN THE DESIGN OF THE NEW FLAGLER CENTER
BUILDING , THERE BE NO ENTRANCES OR EXITS INCORPORATED
IN SAID DESIGN TO PERMIT ACCESS ONTO ADJACENT PARK
LANDS;(e) THAT A HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT BE EXECUTED
BETWEEN THE CITY OF MIAMI AND "MR. REVITZ" HOLDING
THE CITY OF MIAMI HARMLESS DURING THE PERIOD SAID
PROPERTY IS BEING USED AS A "CONSTRUCTION SITE";
(f) THAT THE CITY AGREES TO VACATE PROPERTY KNOWN
AS 46 WEST FLAGLER STREET AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POS-
SIBLE WITHOUT DELAY; (g) PROVIDING THAT FUNDS FROM
"PARKS FOR PEOPLE" BOND ISSUE DESIGNATED FOR DEVELOP-
MENT OF PARKS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA BE TRANSFERRED TO
THE PROPER ACCOUNT TO FACILITATE PAYMENT OF A MORT-
GAGE ON PROPERTY KNOWN AS 46 WEST FLAGLER STREET IN
ORDER TO PROVIDE CLEAR TITLE TO SAID PROPERTY PRIOR
TO DEMOLITION OF BUILDING
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the City Clerk's office,)
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Upon being seconded by Mrs. Gordon, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote - AYES: Mr. Reboso,
Vice -Mayo Gibson and Mrs. Gordon. NOES: None.
Vice -Mayor Gibson: Thank you, ---
Mrs. Gordon: We have a couple more motions.
Asst. City Clerk Mr. Ongie: Mr. Reese asked for a motion
to give the administration the authority to enter into lease
arrangements at 110 W. Flagler. You haven't acted on that yet.
Vice -Mayor Gibson: I thought the motion carried that we
were going to carry out those provisions.
Mrs. Gordon: The one that was moved was which one Mr. Clerk?
The first motion we just moved.
Asst. Clerk Mr. Ongie: The first motion was the authority
to enter into
Mr:;. Gordon:----agreement,---
Mr. Ongie:---agreement with Mr. Revitz with all the conditions
mentioned by the City Atty and Mr. Reese.
Mrs. Gordon: We have two more motions.
Mr. Lloyd: I think we just have one. The resolution authoriz-
ing and directing the City Manager and City Clerk to execute a
lease agreement with the appropriate authorities for the 110 W.
Flagler S reet bldg according to the terms enunciated by Mr.
Reese with funds to be made available, ---
Mr. Reese: A separate resolution on making the funds
available.
Mr. Lloyd: A11 right, that will be your authority to
enter into the lease agreement with the appropriate authorities
and we will have a separate resolution making available the funds.
Vice -Mayor Gibson: Do I hear a motion?
The following resolution was introduced by Mr. Reboso
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 73-642
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY
MANAGER TO EXECUTE APPROPRIATE LEGAL ARRANGEMENTS
TO LEASE SPACE KNOWN AS 110 WEST FLAGLER STREET
FOR USE BY THE CITY OF MIAMI TAZ AND LICENSE DIV-
ISION; FUNDS FOR PAYMENT OF RENTAL AND THE NECESSARY
RENOVATIONS TO BE TRANSFERRED FROM THE CONTINGENCY
FUND TO THE PROPER ACCOUNTS; SAID RENTAL PERIOD TO BE
FROM DATE OF RENTAL TO OCTOBER�',1973
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on
file in the City Clerk's office.)
Upon being seconded by Mrs. Gordon, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote - AYES: Mr. Reboso,
Vice -Mayor Gibson and Mrs. Gordon. NOES: None. '
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Vice -Mayor Gibson: Now the third, --
Mr. Lloyd: The third resolution will be authorizing and
directing funds to be made available for the entering into the
lease agreement for 110 West Flagler Street building and for the
necessary renovation of the buildings from the contingency funds,
Mr. Reese: Yes,
Mr. Lloyd: ---from the contingency fund.
Mrs. Gordon: Up to October 1st I heard Mr. Reese say.
Mr. Reese: Then it will be covered in the new budget, from
October 1,---
Mrs. Gordon: -part of the motion, ----
Mr. Lloyd: --right, the rest of the funds be covered in the
new budget.
Mrs. Gordon: Okay, I'll move,----
Vice-Mayor Gibson: Call the roll please,
Mr. Ongie: Mr. Reboso,----
Mr. Reboso: Yes, ---
Mr. Ongie: Mrs. Gordon?
Mrs. Gordon: Yes.
Mr. Ongie: Vice -Mayor Gibson?
Vice -Mayor Gibson: Yes.
Mrs. Gordon: Don't we need another motion Mr. Reese?
You said we did, to take the funds from the park bond issue
for the pay-off the pension fund. --
Mr. Lloyd: That was included in your first resolution.
It would be a necessary part of that resolution,
Mrs. Gordon: You don't need to make it separate?
Mr. Lloyd: I don't believe so, Mrs. Gordon, we put it in
the first resolution, and I did it that way because I felt
it was a necessary part of the first resolution, because you
have to have the funds,---
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Mrs. Gordon: Have we covered everything pertaining to or do we have to
do anything further with this matter then? Is everybody concerned
satisfied that we have handled everything? Some of us may be out of
town, you won't get another meeting.
Mr. Revitz: I think all that remains is thanks.
Mrs. Gordon: We look forward to your beautiful new buildingwhen its
completed and we look forward with great anticipation to a mini -park
downtown.
Vice Mayor Gibson: Now, I see on here, we are through with Item 1
aren't we?
Mr. Reese: Yes Sir.
Vice Mayor Gibson: I see on here Item 2, I believe I indicated that -
Mr. Reese: Item 2 is pertaining to the present City Manager and
in order to bring this p^oblem forth, I want you to recognize that
its necessary to get the record straightened out and the records of
the City of Miami pertaining to the City Manager so I am going to ask
the Commission to bear with me for a few minutes because I am trying
to reconstruct something that took place over the years.
The City Commission was in office in 1960 through the Mayor contacted
me in January 1960 to see if I was interested in being City Manager of
the City of Miami and eventually that was concluded.
In the conclusion or at the conclusive meeting, I met with
Robert King High, also with Judge Balaban and Joe Du Mond; Mr. DuBreuil
and Mr. Hearn didn't come to the meeting. Mr. Du Breuil was out of town
and Mr. Hearn was somewhere else.
At that meeting we did discuss the conditions of employment and
the conditions of employment, I raised the question at that time about
hospitalization, about pension, about insurance, about the use of an
automobile and sick and annual leave. It was agreed to that all con-
ditions in previous or all arrangements I had previous been able to
have afforded me in Maryland would be extended here, was an automobile
for use 24 hours a day, also that city made the hospitalization etc.
available to the Manager and the Commissioners and things like that
and the vacation would be for 30 days. These were the conditions that
I came to the City on. The first year, the year of 1960, I didn't
take any vacation so in 1961 on July 17th, the Commission then decided
to fire me and there was a considerable public reaction so on July
25th, they re -hired me and they passed a resolution showing that there
would be no break in service and appointed me back to the original date
and then in coming back and making the statement of accepting the
position in 1961, I pointed out that I hadn't been on a vacation for
quite some time.and that I would like to take some time off because
it was a trying period. In the minutes of that particular time, it
did point out that the time I asked off, Mr. Hearn stated, quoting
Mr. Hearn out of the minutes, that I think he is entitled to 30 days,
you have earned the 30 day vacation and I. would certainly and definitely
like to see you granted this leave. This is the only place it shows up
in the public records.
The Department of Finance has maintained the 30 day vacation all
the way through and also it was pointed out in the very beginning to
me that the 30 days that I had been used to was no problem because
the Commission always went on a 30 day break in the month of August so
the Manager could go at that time if he was so inclined or later so
all the way through, this has been the practice of the city.
Now in reconciling the accounts, there is nothing on the record.
So, I am asking the Commission in order to get everything straight
and in order to pass a resolution pointing out that the Manager was
entitled to the 30 days and also it was accumulated insofar as the
unspent time was concerned and the reason I am asking for it to be
brought up this morning and discussed and acted on, is my last day is
on the 17th and I realize the Commission is again, scattering in
different directions.
Now, I have gone through this with the Law Department and they
have presented and prepared a resolution for it etc., and I am hoping
the City Commission will be so inclined to accept it.
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Mrs. Gordon: May I ask you a question please Mr. Reese?
Are you saying that all the vacation time for that number of years
that you did not take, how much does that amount to?
You took some time and some you did not.
Mr. Reese: I think I have a balance of something. I can't give you the
exact number of hours but it is in excess of 2000 hours.
I better correct myself because the sick leave is in that.
Mrs. Gordon: Some approximate we need -
Mr. Reese: Mr. Andrews has gone upstairs to get it -
Mrs. Gordon: While he has gone to get that, I would like to ask a few
questions Mr. Reese that are bothering me -
Rev. Gibson: Relative to this matter?
Mrs. Gordon: Yes it is. Its on Mr. Reese and pertinent.
Some things have been bothering me Mr. Reese and one of the things that
is bothering me and it doesn't reflect on you in any way as far as your
personal integrity, I have always vouched for it and I still do but I
take exception with the resolution that this Commission passed at the
last Commission Meeting and I listened to the tape and I have asked that
it be transcribed and have verified that I did question this particular
portion of the resolution as to Mel Reese and Associates.
I would like to --
Rev. Gibson: Rose, Rose. Let me ask now -
Mrs. Gordon: There is nothing irregular about -
Rev. Gibson: Wait. I have only to use my judgment. I would hope that
matters pertaining to the Comnis�ion. First of all, I think we are
out of order to raise any questions or take up any items for which we
did not speak specifically in the call of this meeting.
Now I don't want to be guilty of calling a meeting for one thing and
then dealing with another.
Mrs. Gordon: Father, if you do not permit this matter to be brought
to the attention of the people, you will be doing the people an injustice.
Rev. Gibson: Rose, let me say this. Now you and I sat here and we went
through this business when all of this took place. If anybody knows
anything about Theodore Gibson, I believe that the people have a right
to know. I am only saying that the meeting was called. Now I will be
the goat. The meeting, when Mr. Reese called me and explained to me
that we had a deadline with the Revitz people, I agreed to the call of
the meeting. I am not so sure even taking, I am not so sure we are
doing the right thing and counsel maybe you need to tell me because I
would like to get this straight. I don't think we can legally take up
this matter of annual leave pertaining to the City Manager in view
of the fact that that was not in the original call for the meeting.
I am not trying to duck an issue. I just want to be right.
Mr. Lloyd, Asst.City Atty: Excuse me Mr. Vice Mayor, were you referring
to the subject brought up by Commissioner Gordon about the previous
resolution?
Rev. Gibson: I want to deal with both. When my call was the call for
the Revitz business and I said, go ahead and call the meeting because
I knew that the Commission had instructed the administration to move
posthaste on the Revitz business and I was acting under that understanding.
Mrs. Gordon: I was also told that there would be a second item and
that would be the annual leave pertaining to the City Manager and the
City Manager of course is leaving us as the Manager and a contract
for his services as a consultant is to be entered into on or after
August 20th but prior to August 27th and this Commission will not be
in session again, and if you shut this conversation off Father, you are
guilty of not permitting the people of the City of Miami at least to
have in the public records a matter that I feel needs to be aired for
the benefit of all parties concerned including Mr. Reese.
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Rev. Gibson: Rose, let me say this. It wouldn't be the first time I
have ever been guilty but I promise you this.
I, would suggest to this Commission that if you have any dissatisfaction
about a prior action, you could take the appropriate action this
morning to call a meeting and notify the other two Commissioners who are
not here.
Mrs. Gordon: I cannot call a meeting.
Rev. Gibson: I'll call the meeting. You have my word. I'll call the
meeting. I think those men ought to know that there is a dissatisfaction
about a prior agreement or arrangement. I have nothing, listen, and if
you call the meeting, I will voice my opinion there. I just don't
want anybody to say that I called a meeting and wanted to undo what
was done. I may feel as you feel. You don't know that.
Mrs. Gordon: You don't know what I feel because you haven't let me say so.
Rev. Gibson: Well but I don't want to take the chance of opening up
pandora's box and be boxed in.
Mrs. Gordon: It might open a can of worms.
Rev. Gibson: Well let's open them the worms when, look, you could open
10 cans of worms - if we notify the other men that this meeting is to be.
It will be up to them to be here. If they aren't here, that's .their
business, but I would hope that if we are going to -
Mrs. Gordon: I am sure those men have knowledge that we are meeting
today. It's not a secret meeting.
Rev. Gibson: Rose, I sm sling to rule you out of order.
Mrs. Gordon:
.You can rule me out of order if you wish but -
Rev. Gibson: Well I am going to rule you out of order and I am going
to say this.Since the 3 of us could vote on the matter.
Mr. Reboso: The only problem is that nobody told me that annual
leave was on the agenda today.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Attorney, may I ask you a question?
One that requires your answer.
May I ask for some clarification to an action that was taken at a
previous meeting or may I not ask for clarification?
Its a point of information.
Mr. Lloyd: At this meeting, it would be improper for you to ask for,
let me not say improper but it's out of order for you to ask for such
information, inasmuch as this is a special meeting designed for a
special purpose, as called by the Vice -Mayor under his authority.
Mrs. Gordon: Well on the agenda, the matter is touched on in a•
not direct, but indirect manner and therefore, it is a related object.
Its a related subject.
Mr. Lloyd: I am sorry to disagree with you but -
Mr. Reese: Canon Gibson, may I withdraw this question of
leave? It isn't worth this at this time.
Mrs. Gordon: I understand your withdrawl Mr. Reese and I
carry this further and I would say to you, you are remiss
permitting me to bring this question to the floor.
Rev. Gibson: Rose -
the annual
intend to
in not
Mrs. Gordon: You do not have to take any action father but certainly -
Rev. Gibson: Rose, I understand what you are saying but, I can
promise everybody. I will preside at a meeting if I am the presiding
officer, I will try to not be partial. I will try to be fair in what
I do, but the one thing I do, that if you don't follow the orderly
process, we are all going to be in trouble. Now, I am going to rule
any further discussion out of order and I am going to declare this
meeting adjourned and Rose, if you want me to call a meeting to 'discuss
a particular item, you have my commitment right now and we will set the
date right now, just tell me.
Mrs. Gordon: May I ask Mr. Reese one question? Before I answer your
question?
Rev. Gibson: All right, providing it doesn't pertain to this matter
now. Go ahead.
Mrs.Gordon: If I can't ask a question pertaining;to this matter, then
I can't answer your question. There may be no need for a further
meeting.
May I ask a question? There may be no need for a further meeting.
Rev. Gibson: All right Rose, you ask the question and I will with hold
prerogative of the chair to rule it out of order.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Reese, you tendered a resignation to the City of Miami
and to me it was a very big surprise. I had no previous knowledge that
you intended to resign. I don't think it was such a big surprise to
some other people on the Commission, not naming any names.
WHat I want to know was -
shall I keep on talking? I thought you were ready to shut me off again.
What I would like to ask you was when you, did you have any discussion
with any members of the Commission prior to your tendering your resignation
and was part of that condition for your resignation, that you become the
consultant for the City of Miami? I would like an answer.
If I may have it say so and if I may not have it, you may say I may not
have i t .
Rev. Gibson: Mr. City Manager, you don't have to answer that question.
I am going to rule that out of order.
That is getting in the back door when you can't get in the front and I
am going to now adjourn this meeting because we Thave fulfilled the
purpose for which we called the special meeting.
Now Rose, I regret doing this but I know how difficult, how much trouble
it could cause if you don't preside at a meeting fairly and partially
and deal with it legally and I want to thank the members of the commission
for coming and the staff for preparing the agenda as you have.
THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMISSION, THE
MEETING WAS ADJOURNED AT:
10:30 O'CLOCK A.M.
THEODORE GIBSON
Vice Mayor
ATTEST: RALPH G. ONGIE
Assistant City Clerk
SP.MTG. AUG 7,1973
ITEM NO
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CITY OF MIAMI
DOCUMENTspEci,, MEETING
MEETING DATE:
INDEX
DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION
COMMISSION AGENDA & CITY CLERK REPORT
(3 pages)
ALLOCATING $45.719.33 FROM 1973 PARKS GENERAL
BOND F0:9 PAYMENT PURCHASE PROPERTY KNOWN AS
46 WEST FLAGLER STREET
AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER TO LEASE SPACE 110 WEST
FLAGLER STREET -TAX AND LICENSE DIVISION
AUGUST 7, 1973
COMMISSION
ACTION
R-73-641
R-73-642
RETRIEVAL
CODE NO.
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73-641
73-642