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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC 1974-10-21 Minutesa t TY OF MIA 1 NC01111=1)11 'I' F.1) 18 96 SPECIAL COMMISSION MINUTES OF MEETING HELD ON Oervags4 11.9 /9 77 gt.04446e4fors.s.c. --ArIvreakomr PREPARED BY THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK CITY HALL H. D. SOUTHERN RALPH G. ONOTE City Ctenk A66ist1nt eito MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING CITY COMMISSI AL IAMI, FLORIDA ON THE 21st DAY OF OCTOBER, 1974 THE CITY COMMISSION OF MIAMI, FLORIDA MET AT ITS REGULAR MEETING PLACE AT CITY HALL IN SAID CITY IN SPECIAL SESSION TO CONSIDER THE PROPOSED APPR- OPRIATION ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 1974-1975. THE MEETING WAS CALLED TO ORDER AT 5:25 O'CLOCK P.M.. BY MAYOR, MAURICE A. FERRE WITH THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS OF THE COM- MISSION PRESENT: ALSO PRESENT: OMMISSIONER REV.) THEODORE GIBSON OMMISSIONER . L. PLUMMER, RJR. OMMISSIONER OSE GORDON VICE MAYOR MANOLO KiBO O MAYOR MAURICE A. FERRE P.W. ANDREWS, CITY MANAGER . R. ropcH, ASST. ITY MANAGER 0 N LLOYD, ITY ATTORNEY H.1J. UTHERN, ITY CLERK RALPH G. ONGIE, SST. CITY CLERK AN INVOCATION WAS DELIVERED BY COMMISSIONER (REV.) GIBSON WHO THEN LED THOSE PRESENT IN A PREDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. Mayor Ferre: Now, ladies and gentlemen we have a time problem. The time problem is that at 7:00 O'clock this room is needed for another meeting. So I will do the following: I will recognize members of the public that wish to be heard. I would respectfully ask those members of the public that wish to be heard not - (repeat) the statements that they made at the previous meetings. If you would please. In other words, if you'vd said it before give us the benefit of the doubt that we remembered what you stated and lets move ahead now with new statements by people who don't think that we covered the specific ground that she or he wish to cover. I am going to cut off all public debate in 45 minutes and that will give this Commission 45 minutes to deliberate and come to a conclusion hopefully, this evening on these programs. The first speaker will be Dr. Ben Sheppard and I apology to the rest of you because he must go to Jackson Memorial Hospital to address a conference of nurses. Dr. Sheppard: I am here just to state very briefly that as you know, the Archdiocese has many projects. Perhaps, we have undertaken too many. We need some help. Where we can do it ourselves, we do it. We have just bought a home on 26th Terrace. I have the check right here for Alcholic Addiction next to Bathesda Manor. This is money I have raised personally practically, with the help of the Archbishop. You have been generous enough or the committee has been, awarding us sufficient to help maintain the 0vertown Recreation Center. The cost for the Overtown Recreation Center; actual cost is about- 2 at least $200,000.00. And we have been awarded 100(I believe) 100,000 in which we are extremely thankful and we'll make up the rest. My request is for help in the runaways home. The run to house„ the Miami Bridge, the one on N.E. 2nd Street and my request is for some help on that, because though we do have potential contracts from the state and from the county. It's going to cost a great deal of money to do it properly and I can't use up all the money which the ABCD drive collects. Right now we are using I would say one half of the money in youth projects of our owns Things that is called the Archbishop Carroll- Sheppard trust fund as it were. I could name ten of them. And we do need some help from you people. Any help you can give us will lighten the load and permit some of the money to be diverted. These are all youth projects. The ones I am interested in. We didn't put a Word in there about the St. Vincent's Outreach, which is an antiabortion clinic and which is run purely on money from the Archdiocese, in other words we didn't make any request for it. The rental there is $1,000 a month alone. Its run by the Sisters and Out -patient service where free pregnancy tests, anything dealing with youth is handled without charge. We haven't even mentioned that. We are not mentioning the thing I have the check for. I was able to raise it. The home for adolescene (addicted adolescene) which I hope to be able to firm up the deal this week and maybe open next week. But we are asking if possible, to give us a little help with the Miami Bridge because it is important. We don't want to read stories about six young kids being picked up in the lots somewhere buried. We should let you know that all of --- I would venture to say that if we did an ethnic count or religious count on our youth charities that less than 50% of these are Catholic children. There is no attention paid to color, race or creed -in any of our projects. Mayor Ferre: Dr. Sheppard let me ask you a question, cause let's get specific now. What is it called the Bridge House? Dr. Sheppard: The Miami Bridge. Mayor Ferre: Miami Bridge, all right. How much are you specific- ally asking, is that the program you want funded? Dr. Sheppard: Yes. I want help on it. Mayor Ferre: What does that mean? $5,000. Dr. Sheppard: You've made several decisions. You haven't got too much money left. I can say to you in all - I would like to say to you forget everything else and give us the money that we need. But I am not going to do that. I can't do it honestly. Mayor Ferre: What's the minimum you need to put on a successful impact program? Dr. Sheppard: If I can get $50,000 for the Miami Bridge, the Arch- diocese will come up with the rest. Mayor Ferre: How much is the rest? Dr. Sheppard: The rest is about $140,000. Mayor Ferre: You hear that? He says if he comes up for $50,000 from the city he'll get 140,000 from the Archdiocese. Mrs. Gordon: Are there any funds from the budget of the Police. This is an action that is helpful to the Police. As I understand it, because its for runaway youth and you're in a custodial position with regards to these young people until they are placed where they belong with their parents or who ever they belong, the guardians are. And it appears to me that we ought to consider this as part of the Police budget, because you really are helping the Police. Its figured at 25% we would be able to help the Police 25% to 30%. Are my figures right? 25% to 30% with the capacity of the run to house- the bridge. Mrs. Gordon: In other words, of the 50,000 you figure about a third of that amount is directly assisting the Police. Dr. Sheppard: I would say yes. yes. A third of the 50,000 - oh no-- 2 Mrs. Gordon: A third of the total , so-� Dr. Sheppard: A third of the total is what we Mrs. Gordon: I am figuring of every portion, a third of that uh huh. Dr. Sheppard: The figures we have for 1973 from Chief Garmire go to about 1070 runaways. Mrs. Gordon: Well figuring on that basis all of it ought to come out of the Police budget, Mr. Andrews because its directly assisting the Police. They would have to handle this if Dr. Sheppard and his group were not doing it, is that right? Dr. Sheppard: It either be there or lump them up in youth_hall or parkway one on top of the other. Mrs. Gordon: Ok. I think we should consider it in that light since we are trying to stretch every dollar for programs that we already have that we can't assign to any other budgeting areas. Mr. Reboso: According to the City Manager we can Rose. He say that more than 90% of the budget is for personnel, right? They have to reduce personnel if they want to turn over this money to Dr. Ben Sheppard, person- nel has to be reduced from the Miami Police Department. Mrs. Gordon: Yea. Well if they are handling this task they certainly are saving the Police from having to spend the money on that type of Police work and nobody can say they are not. I mean, they are what they are doing is definite helping the police. Dr. Sheppard: The police are not custodial unless they put them in jail and we don't want them in jail and we don't want them in youth hall. Mrs. Gordon: You don't want a child in jail, and you certainly don't want to put them into a situation like that - like the youth hall. Mayor Ferre: Rose, I think your point is a valid point. The question, the next question then is from the Manager and that is, "Since 90% of the Police budget is for people could there be people released because this program existed". Mr. Andrews: That's the part Mr. Mayor and Members of the Commision, I can't answer that quickly and I am not trying to be flippant about this, but somewhere if you want to include this program from funding through gen- eral fund assources you'd have to go back and re-examine the Police budget and make a determination where the money would come from. I don't recommend that you do that or you take this action at this time. What I would suggest you do is to take - Dr. Sheppard is telling you to do take that under advis- ement and then wait til you get through with the program and see what can be done. Dr. Sheppard: The program is there. Everything is there. People are there. All I can tell you Mr. Andrews is that we dipped into at the School Board. I'll repeat it. Mrs. Gordon: Dr. Sheppard, I am in accord with what you are doing is a worthwhile project. But what we are trying to do is be able to fund every- thing we need to do and that's one of the things, ok? Mayor Ferre: Thank you very much Dr. Sheppard. Oh-- excuse me Father. Rev. Gibson: No, no Doctor I'm clear on you. I was going to --- Mayor Ferre: We have in our presence now Senator Claude Pepper who I'd like to recognize at this time. Senator I want to thank you for coming down (applause). I want you to know any time that if you wish to -- you are welcome to be involved in these proceeding. If you 'd like 01011114,e a state- 3 ment or a recommendation. We are going --- trying to figure out what to do with all that money you sent us from Washington. (Claude Pepper -- speaks but inaudible-- Well, we know that you are a busy man these days if you would like to we'd be honored to have you. Rev. Gibson: We are going to make one stipulation. That is what you say, you are going to send us some more money. Sen. C. Pepper: Mr. Mayor and members of your distinguished council. I thank you very much for the privilege of being here today to join the other members of the public and you to reflect upon what is the best use to be made of the Revenue Sharing Funds that you received. The charact- eristic of the distinguish Mayor and his distinguished associates that you are giving the people an opportunity to express their opinion about this matter and I want to congratulate all of you that you are not making this decision in some smoke filled room or some suquested chamber. But you are trying to invite the sentiments and the suggestions of the people of the .leaf and futhermore I know that you'all group, the City of Miami as I said the other morning in your presence and in the presence of Father Gibson, has done an exemplary job in the past and I know you'll even str- ive to do better in the future. In the allocation of your Revenue Sharing Funds to social needs to meet the needs of the people of the City of Miami. I feel that sort of a keen sensitivity about these Revenue Sharing Funds, because I cast the oaterotsrr vote and the rules committee in the house that made possible the reporting out of this bill. And then I was active and supported the matter on the floor. There was a time when there was consid- erable criticism attached to this program of Revenue Sharing which was orig- inally recommended by the Administration. It seems to be a desirable thing to permit the officials at the local level to distribute these funds in the way that the people of the community thought best and that they thought best for the people in the community. So I could understand you considering here now an amount to something like 8 million 400 thousand dollars your anticip- ated revenue for fiscal 1975. There are roughly as I recall some 30 million dollars a year these funds available altogether to the political entities of Dade County. And I hope that's going to be a meaningful source of help to the most desirable and deserving deeds of our ears. One of them I wouldput to you all if I may would be to try to serve the needs of the elderly. (applause). My committee - in view of the fact that I wanted to look into the matter I wrote a letter to the Comptroller General and asked him how much of the Revenue Sharing Funds that were allocated over the country, the public body were being used in aid of the elderly and their program. I got back a letter from the Comptroller General of the United States which I put into congressional record that 2/10 of 1% that was after they had surveyed 218 public bodies indiscriminately chosen throughout the country. The report was that 2/10 of 1% of those Revenue Sharing Funds received by those public bodies was distributed to the elderly and to programs that concern so vital ly the elderly people of the country. Well now I know there are many demands upon the funds that you have, whatever their source may be, but when we read in the paper as we did the other day. I don't know whether it's true or not. I haven't checked up on it. But some elderly people on South Beach were eating cat food rather than the diet that they would ordinarily been accustomed. When I know and Dr. Quint, I called Dr. Quint's office - I guess he's here ( oh, here he is over here) - he knows about this nutrit- ion program. If I may say so, I happen to be the original author of it. The house, I got Senator Kennedy to support it in the Senate and its been a very meaningful program to hundreds of people in Dade County. Dr. Quint has had a fine share in the administration of that program. The State of Florida gets 9300 for the State of Florida and we get (I believe) somewhat less than two thousand (2500) here in Dade County. Well now that is avail- able that one nutritious meal a day for it not to exceed five days a week to the people who are eligible to receive that assistance at a center. They- 'll deliver the food to the home of the individual, but the other day I was successful in getting a 25 million 400 thousand dollars or 25% increase in the funds available for that program through the House of Representatives making a total of 125 million dollars of Federal Funds for that program which the Senate took exactly as we sent it over there from the house. Now that's add several thousand people to the number who will get at least one if a nutritioua meal a day. But the program that we got authorises 150 Million for 75- 200 million for 76 and 250 million dollars for 77, but that relatively a drop in the bucket. We had a conference on the aging at University of Miami a little bit ago and 192 of the people of Dade County are over 60 years of old and a considerable percentage of those are over 65 as you know. And a great many, the overwhelming majority of those people need such a program as this. So there is just not enough federal money available under the program that we've got to give that kind of nutrition program to the people who need it. So every penny that you can add to that program at the local level. You've already been very helpful and very cooperative. But every penny that you can add will just mean that many more meals everyday for the elderly needy_of Dade County. Now I'll add only one other thing. Eventually that program envisage that the place where these meals are served will not only be a nutrition center but it'll be a recreation center for those people. Most of us can go to a private center of some sort for our recreation. Many of these people cannot and that bill envisages that there will be social services rendered to those people and they'll not only have a nutritious meal_ enjoyed there but they'll enjoy the companionship and_the comradeship of the people and I know the great generous compassionate City of Miami under your leadership will someday help to provide a building where they- 'll have and with the help of maybe the in motion picture industry, the government and others. They'll be able to see motion pictures and slides etc. Mrs. Gordon: We already have it Senator. Sen. C. Pepper: You've got in some places, I hope. Mrs. Gordon: We have it at Legion Park. Sen. C. Pepper: That's right I know you have. That should be multi- plied all over ---- Mrs.Gordon: Absolutely. Sen. C. Pepper: Mr. Mayor the only thing I'd say that whatever you can add to the nutrition funds of the elderly poor of the City of Miami I think would be a blessing to those people. Mrs. Gordon: Senator, when will those funds be available that you just mention? The additional funds- when will they start funding down here? Sen. C. Pepper: Well, they'll available. They should be available immediately, because it's for fiscal. We got the appropriation bill through the other day. About a week ago. They should be available. The addition was - it's a hundred and twenty-five million, instead of 99 million 600 thousand dollars. Mayor Ferre: Paul that means we really need a grantsmen. Mrs. Gordon: May I ask you another question. Senator while they are talking? What percent of total Revenue Sharing did you say was being used for elderly? Sen. C. Pepper: Out of 218 public bodies that were canvass by the Comptroller General 2/10 of 1% of the Revenue they'd arrived these separate entities was given to the elderly program. 2/10 of 12. Mayor Ferre: It really is unbelievable, isn't it. Senator I might say this and I am sure you've seen this probably in the press or I am sure you've heard about it. From the almost 9 million dollars or over 8 million dollars that we received from the Federal Government. The majority of that money has had to go into running the city. I think it's important that we take this short pause to explain that to you because you are one of the authors and I think you are entitled to a direct explanation from the City Commission. The reason for that is that the taxpayers, the property taxpayers of the City of Miami from the commercial properties to the homeowners -only pay for approximately a third of what it takes to run the City of Miami. Now I might add that what we pay for in real estate taxes just about covers the Police Department and maybe a little bit of the Fire Department and that would be it. If that were the only sources of money that we had we could not run any other department but the Police Department in the City of Miami. Now as you know the state legislature has put a cap as to how much we can tax property owners and therefore we' ve had this cap put on us. There have been a series of things that the state has required local government to do and really what's happened is a lid has been put on us in local government and imposition of cost have been injected as to what it costs to run a government and the legislature has passed bills. For example on labor negotation with the Police Depart- ment which are going to be very very expensive over the years and we just don't have the money. We really, and I hate to say this but it has to be said the legislature has not really acted responsibly in Tallahassee, because it has put a lid on us and said that we can't do this, but it really is not substituted the funds that they have kept us form imposing on the electorate and on the people of our community and therefore we find Ourselves continually more and more dependent on Federal Revenue sources. I might point out as Mr. Andrews mentioned earlier that 90% of our budget is going to the payment of salaries and the other expenses that go along with running the city. We got close to 3600 employees and those 3600 employees plus the pension and the retirement and the health & welfare, hospitalization and all the people type of fundings that come from this budget comprise 90% of our total budget. So we are not out building swim- ming pools, like I read in some newspaper reports that some local govern- ments have done with their federal funds. We are not out building athlet- ics fields or paying for marching bands. Unfortunately, we've had to use tbeae monies to maintain the high quality service that we of the City of Miami rendered to the people and I might say that the City of Miami at this stage of our history is down to a police department, a fire department, sanitation, parks and recreation, and planning & zoning, and public works. Those are the five basic function. And the other functions of the city has had over the years. Housing as you know, water and sewers, the port, Jackson Memorial Hospital, all of these things have been turned over to Metropolitan Dade County. So what we have left. We've got to use these federal sources to run the city. I am sorry, I don't like it, Commissioner Rose Gordon doesn't like it, Father Gibson, the Vice Mayor, and Plummer. None of us like it, but we are really up against the wall. We don't seem to have much choice at this point unless we cut down the services to the people of Miami. Sen. C. Pepper: May I just add this Mayor in respect to what Father Gibson pleasantly said at the beginning of my remarks. This program (I believe) goes through 77 - it was a five year program. We started in January 72, so it goes through 77, our fiscal 77. Now of course nobody can project what congress is going to do at that time, but obviously it will scrutinize the expenditure of that money over the country. Because this money is basically taken the place of federal programs that were already in existence and it would determine that it be better to let the local authorizes have the money and decide how to spend it rather than the decision to be made in Washington. But there'll be many people no doubt will want to re-examine and no doubt they will take into account in the determination of whether to extend this program as I hope they will and I shall certainly strongly support. But they'll take into account how and how wisely the money has been spent by the local authorit- ies. They are not going to try to dedicate to them, but of course they will review the expenditure. I am aware of your problem Mr. Mayor and I know you want to do everything you can. I just want to say, squeeze out every nickel you can for a little more nutriment for these elderly poor of our area and I know you feel as well as I do. (applause). Mayor Ferre: All right, thank you very much Senator Pepper. Who else would like to address this Commission? Father Gibson: Ann Wilson, did I hear you say when the present- titian was made that your program is a program that cuts down,across up and through, is that right? Ms. Ann Wilson: Yes, are you talking about all service, every- body in Miami. And it isn't my program, it's your program. Father Gibson: Well, yes, I know. But I mean the one you were speaking for (you know) see-- I have to speak for all of us. Ms. Ann Wilson: Father, can I just make a remark? It cuts through race, creed, and color. It serves all social economic levels, that's one good thing. Two, it is a city program entirely. There are many worthly causes before you today, I know. But I do feel very strongly that many of those causes have fund raising arms. They have people who can raise money for them. But the city children don't (can't) vote, don't have an constituency, don't have a board of directors who can raise funds for them, don't have a fund raising drive every year and therefore they have to depend on you, the city fathers to see that they are properly cared for. And may I say that, I think good After School Care and good Child Care is the answer to not having to have the things that Dr. Shepp- ard, unfortunately had to answer for today. Thank you. Mayor Ferre: Ms. Wilson, my only -- I got three concerns. One is that we are only covering two, three or four hundred children when the need is for thousands ( you know) even though the answer to that of course is well this is the beginning and I hope that it is a beginning, because I completely subscribe to the philosophy behind the program. My second con- cern and I say this very advisedly that we ( nice to have you with us Dr. Sheppard) Second concern is that with the need of the poor and the indigent as it exists that I am concerned in funding programs for people who can't afford those programs at the expense of people who cannot afford. Now in this case. I am not saying that this is so the case, because I know it's not so, because you've got a sliding scale and I think it's essential that we always keep that in mind and that we keep repeating it all the time. That if a person has an income (you know) that they can afford to pay for the program, that they ought to pay for the full amount. I've always and this is not the first time I've said this. I've gone before the United Fund and as a member of the board stated to the board that I completely was against the United Fund paying (for example)subsidizing my children to become boyscouts, because why should this community pay for my children being boy scouts and I know that for every dollar that I give somebody has to match that dollar and more for my child to be a boy scout and if it cost $65.00 a year for my child to be a boy scout, why should he only pay $25.00 when I can afford to pay $65.00 don't you see? I think its very important that we keep very clear accounting and for those people who have income in excess of family incomes of $15 to 20 thousand dollars or what- ever it is as a family (you know). And those who are under ten relatively and those that are under five, but I am not worried about those that are making $10,000. I am worried about people making $2,000 a year. Those are the people that I think that this Commission and that we as a nation and as a community have to be concerned with. The ones that would like too, but can't. Ms. Wilson: Mayor, May I make a comment back, is that all right? I think your point's well taken but you've got to remember also today there is a lot of unemployment in Dade County and it's going up. There are fam- ilies that are just living on the edge with two people working. If one person loses their job they're in terrible circumstances. This program helps the marginal people stay off of welfare and keep their jobs, keeps their independence. I think another point is too is this, that the perso:a who pays the taxes very often doesn't see the service and I do think that, people who pay property taxes but they may be in the lower middle income group certainly have a right to have service also. We subsidize golf courses, beaches and everything else and certainly we can give a few dollars ts.ward child care. Mayor Ferret I agree Ms. Wilson, but be careful now, because you know, I can take that argument and expand it. I can sty since I pay ok, $300,000.00 of real estate taxes then I should receive $300,000.00 worth of services from this community. Which 1 may not, because you know, I happen to be in a different tax bracket. That's not the way this system works and the point that I'm trying to make and I want it - this is just a good a point as any. I want to make it tonight on the record,is that it's a question of orders of priorit., les and all I'm saying is that I would like to see a roof over every` body in this community and I would like everybody properly clothed. But if someone for example is not eating a square meal then I think that has_a priority over putting a roof over somebody else and that's all I'm saying. But there are things that come first.and that for example if somebody is not eating a hot meal doing the day in Dade County then I think this community has a primary responsibility to that person before we go out and fund for example uniforms for a band or a sports program or a cultural program as much as I am for culture. And I say this, I don't know where Mr. O'Reilly is tonight or my friend Selma Alexander is going to be all upset, but I cannot for the life of me see how we can give $10,000.00 to the Ives Centennial Celebration when we have people that aren't getting a square meal in this community. I am sorry, I just can't do it. Ms. Wilson: Well, that's one of the beautiful things about this program some of these children aren't getting decent food where they wouldn't get it anywhere else. Mayor Ferre: Are there any other question? (repeat), (repeat). All of you want to speak we have about another 20 minutes or 25 minutes of speakers and then we are going to go into a Commission--- go ahead. Dr. Crown: Mr. Mayor, I am Dr. Crown from Jackson Dept. of Psychiatry. Speaking to the Child Care Program Mr. Mayor, I think your point is very well taken. I think that hot meals are essential at every age and certainly as a part of the Day Care Center which we've been talking about and you are all familiar with. Hot meals are an essential part of this program. Some of you have had questions as to why the cost is as high as it appears to be. I think that you have got to recognize that in Day Care the hours are far longer than in nursery or in kindergarten or public school kinds of things we go a minimum of 12 to 13 hours per day. We go around the clock twelve months out of the year. In order to adequately provide services for child- ren you must have adequate manpower. According to the figures that we pres- ently are looking at. $40,000 was taken out of this Day Care budget on a loan to another program. This $40,000 has not been put back into the budget. The other aspect that is not been taken into account is the fact that the fees that were estimated as income to operate in fact are not realistic because of the fact that we are dealing with the total population in the City of Miami. The idea of an average of $18.00 per week per child is not realistic. This in fact would eliminate many, many families from having children in this Day Care Center. The other consideration is a fact that arbitrarily nine personnel were eliminated from this Day Care operation. If we are going to do Day Care and do a quality job and provide for our uncoming manpower it is mandatory that we have the initial figures that we talked about a year ago in order to establish the point that we aren't meeting the needs of alithe children, of course it's realistic but if we can't do a good job with the initial things. We certainly cannot hope to expand upon it. Mr. Plummer: Doctor let me get at a point thats been in the back of my mind and I told Ann Wilson this and we still have a healthy disagreement. You know everything in life has to be what you can compare it too. The figures which I have or been afforded to me show me that roughly for every child in Day Care Center operated by the City of Miami the cost is going to be approximately (and I'll use round figures) $32 hundred and 80 dollars per child. Yes. Now, I look at some figures here in a memo from the Mayor which says that the federal government allows ( the state? or whatever it is. Mayor perre: It's number five(5). The State pays $25.00 per child=y-=- Mr. Plummer: $25.00 per week per child. Now, then I relate it to the fact that my child attends a private school in which she is fed one meal a day. She is there from approximately 8'oclock in the morning until 3 in the afternoon. Including transportation to and from school, supplies, insurance, the whole nine yards. And this year I screamed very loudly, because they up the price to 1680 total. Now granted that's for 10 months, it's not for the 12, but when I look at the proposed figures for the City of Miami Day Care, it's double that. And I just cannot justify in my mind these figures. Now, maybe you don't have those answers somebody else might have those answers, but these are the things that I'm having to grip my mind with with the only figures that I know. Now if those figures are not correct then I would be wel- comed to hear some other figure but based on what I have I see 32 hundred and 80 dollars per child. Dr. Crown: Mr. Plummer, I have not seen that particular figure so I cannot respond directly. However ---- Mr. Plummer: Well it's very simple. We divided 150 children into (what was it 412,000? 387. Dr. Crown: I think that you have to keep in mind that when a pilot project is started your expenses are always much higher. As the operation began to expand your cost per child automatically drops. Mr. Plummer: Well now we were told by the - Mrs. Chandler or Miss Chandler I don't remember- Miss Chandler then I can't be wrong that that was the maximum that they were only licensed for 50 children per center. Dr. Crown: Are your figures including the construction cost? OM MI6 11•11. Mr. Plummer: No. this is just operational, that's excluding capital improvements. Just the operational costs. Dr. Crown: I would have to see those figures because as we initially planned this out we were not coming up with this --- Mr. Plummer: Well Mr. Andrews do you have those figures? Am I in- correct? Mr. Andrews: We went over the original request for 412,000. Went back over that budget and was satisfied after we were through reviewing it that it could have been further reduced and it was reduced to$387 ,000.00. We went back with Ms. Chandler and reviewed that once again and we find that the $387,000.00 is an adequate budget according to the standards that the committee is established to carry out this program so we are not going to use the 412, but what Commissioner Plummer is trying to point out is that at the $387,000.00 that if you equate this to 150 children it turns out to be Mrs. Gordon: Wi11 you remember that you have included in there $112,500.00 in fees to be received and you cannot be guaranteed that that's the amount you are going to receive, so I mean that's a totally misleading statement. Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, I stand corrected. At the $387,000-if we use that figure it comes out to 25 hundred and 80 dollars and 53 cents per child. If the additional 100,000 which has been asked for is granted. It comes out to 32 hundred and 47 dollars and 19 cents per child. Mrs. Gordon: You may not receive that 112,500.00 dollars because that is based upon the ability to pay. Mr, Plummer: Rose I am only using the figuring which I was furnished. 1 Mts. Gordon: No. l am just saying it because theta not valid you know in the analysis of the program. Dr. Crown: Mr. Plummer, excuse me. Two points, one - thefee to pay is not a realistic fee. If we go back to what the Mayor said originally, the concept of $18.00 pet child is just totally unrealistic for a great majority of the citizens of the City of Miami. Mr. Plummer: You are saying $18.00 per child per week. Mayor Ferre: That's not what the State allows. The State allows $25.00. Dr. Crown: The $18.00 figure was an estimated income figure. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Villaverde before you leave now, you were in the discussion that I had with Vito Rigillo the other day and he was saying that in his opinion the United Way has established that a proper rule of 774V,.e, is still $25.00 per child per week for Day Care Center as far as the State is concerned. Mrs. Gordon: That's not a twelve hour program. Those are eight hour programs. We are talking about a full day. Seven to seven program because the working mother has to get her child somewhere before she goes to work and,be sure the child is in safe keeping until she can pick the child up. We have an innovative of due pilot program there is nothing like it around and one that the nation will focus in on us and look to for directions' to expand it and this we covered last year. This we went over hash and re -hashed. What we are simply asking for today is to restore the $40,000.00 that we borrowed from this program to help the Wynwood Park Area establish a facility for the head -start program. They will receive operating funds because they are in a low-income area from the county but they don't provide capital improvements and we are providing the capital improvements so they may have some kind of service for the children there. Mr. Plummer: All right. Mr. Mayor, may I finish? Thank you. I would like --- I would also like to ask at this present state, are any children yet enrolled? Dr. Crown: It is in the process of enrollment at this time. We finally have the things beginning to become operative. Mr. Plummer: All right. Would you forward to me a copy of the application for qualification for the sliding -scale? Dr. Crown: I'd be happy to see that you get a copy of this sir. Mayor Ferre: Why don't you send it to everybody on the Commission so we'll have that on record? Dr. Crown: Fine. We'll see that you each get a copy. Mr. Plummer: In other words, do I understand in philosophy, that if a family is making lets say in excess of $15,000 dollars which is conceivably their children can attend, that they will be paying the full $2,580 ? Dr. Crown: I think that if we can go on what Metro has discovered in it's first Day Care operation at Jackson. A family that has a income of $15,000.00 a year cannot afford to exist and spend that kind of money for his child no matter how much they would like to provide for the child. Mr. Plummer: Well, where do we reach a point that in fact that a parent would be smarter to send their child to a private concern rather than sending it to a City operated concern? tr. Crown: l think we reach that point Mr. Plutgmet when we take out citizen rate and say we reelly,do not want to encourage you to. ,vork., Mr. Plummer: 1 wholeheattly concur. Dr. Crown: That if in fact you are going to be a working employable citizen and you have a child and you are concerned for it's well-being then you must know that it is being well supervised a minimum of 9 hours and something per day because you work 8 hours and you got to get there and get back. Mr. Plummer: Doctor you turned it around on me. Let me turn it around on you. Is there a maximum combined income of a family which says that a child cannot qualify? Dr. Crown: Not qualify? I would certainly hope that Mayor Ferre: In other words of someone who has an income of $200, 000.00 wants to send his child, he or she can send the child to this program? MR am onion. Dr. Crown: Certainly. Mayor Ferre: And how much will that child pay, that's the question? Dr. Crown: All right. If in fact you sir, decided to send your child to one of the Day Care Centers we would look at the income and not have to much difficulty realizing you could afford to pay the full operational cost of your child and as such would feel justified in excessing you for a buck. Mayor Ferre: Do you in fact do that? Dr. Crown: This is what I would hope the procedures would be. Mayor Ferre: I am not asking you what you hope. Are you doing that? You say you are in the middle of it, now is that what ---- Dr. Crown: The applications are just coming in therefore I cannot give you a concrete answer. I can only tell you what the philosophy is -- Mayor Ferre: Doctor I want to reiterate my previous statement. I think it is essential that that be done. I certainly don't think that this city wants to subsidize somebody who can well afford to pay for this program. Dr. Crown: I could not agree with you more. I think we do far to much of this. Mr. Plummer: One other thing and I'll conclude. Is it the intent that there will be a written sliding -scale? Dr. Crown: Yes I think this is mandatory. Mr. Plummer: Ok. I agree! Thank you. Mrs. Gordon: Dr. David would you address the same subject because you have more information on it? Mayor Ferre: Mrs. Gordon in a moment because I am not recognizing Mr. Lopez on the same subject. Because he's been asking and I told him to keep quite a little while ago and now I'm recognizing him. Mr. E. Lopez: I realize that what these people are trying to do,but I would like to make a couple of corrections of a statement that has been made over here and one of them is what Mrs. Gordon --- Mrs. Gordon: Who is your champion to, get you the money for Wyndwood, to get the capital improvement? So, don'_t knock what I said. (laughingly) Mr. g. Lopez: You said that this money was for head start programs. It were not ami• die Mrs. Gordon: Don't call it head -start. It for child care programs, but it's for capital improvement, not for operation. Ok. Mr. E. Lopez: Right. So I just wanted to make that point clear. And the subject we realize that there are other programs in here in Miami. Maybe not as a pilot program as the group that is here represted but there are other programs and other sources of funds that: can utilized to run programs like that. Mrs. Gordon: Dr. David would you clarify the --- whatever it is that you wanted to clarify for us please? Dr. David: Well I was just standing as a back-up really. But I think one point that has not been made and I think that Commissioner Plummer has stated his view quite clearly. One thing I think that he did not realize though was the different in the hours and you have to have two or three shifts of staff to cover a Day CAre Center. Therefore your cost go higher when you are taking care of the children longer than the child that you are now sending to school. Also it's twelve months, which you said you recognized- But I would like to speak to the point just briefly and I know you are watch- ig the clock and that is that I think it is commendable for the city to sponsor a program that does not segregate children according to their income. It is a thrilling thing to go to the Jackson Day Care Model Program and see children of all social economic backgrounds, all races playing together, working together.a varied staff. I have been associated with head -start since the very beginning and it's a wonderful program. But there are some people who don't want to send their children to head -start because they think it is for poor children. In this kind of program any body's child may be enrolled, and so therefore it is across the board and I think for our society this is a big plus. Mayor Ferre: I completely agree, provided that those that have the money to pay -pay the full amount. Dr. David: Exactly. I just spoke with Mrs. Slayton over here and she says that they figure that the cost per child is $35.00 and their highest income children are paying $41.00. And another point that hasn't been brought out here is that we need the income of some of those higher income families in order to make the program go. If we only had the lower income who do not pay very much, then we'd have to ask you for more money. Mr. Plummer: Where do you get the figure of $18.00? Dr. David: I said $35.00. Mr. Plummer: And how did you derive at that figure? Dr. David: I said I was quoting Mrs. Slayton, you want to ask her? Mr. Plummer: I sure would, because ---- Mrs. Slayton: Child Care Specialist for the County and has the Day Care ---- Mr. Plummer: Are you saying that our program is $35.00 a child? (Inaudible-- No.--- We want our's to be a model program too. Mr. Plummer: Well but we are going to be even a better model, because we are going to be $2,580 dollars worth. Mra+ Gordon: Let lne ask about the $18.00 was that the estimated aivetagel Mt. Plummer: $25.00, (Inaudible) Mrs. Slayton: The thing that I did at one point was took a random sample of all the parents fees and averaged them. Some were paying $41.00 and some were paying nothing. And it averaged to $18.00 a week that the parents paid and I wondered if that was the way this $18.00 figure came, because Mr. Plummer: Well since the scale hasn't been set there is no way of determining that. Mrs. Gordon: The scale has been set Mr. Plummer. I think we are talking around in circles right now. Mayor Ferre: We've got to move on, that's what I was just going to say,. Mrs. Gordon: Because I.don't see what we are even discussing, because the only thing we're discussing right now is something that also totally funded with the exception of the money we withdrew to lend to the Wyndwood Area and that's it. Mr. W.D. Tolbert: Thank you Mr. Mayor. We want to speak about the Central Area Apartments in that area two years ago we found 2,600 youths from ages two to six in the town park and central area apartment. That was two years ago and I understand it's a little higher now. We are looking at a.mean income of $3,400.00. We are looking at a average family size of 6.5. All the people who live in the town parks are trying to buy the apartments with that kind of salary. We are talking about servicing 300 young people from ages six weeks through the Day Care Program at a.. cost of $4,050 dollars a year which is decidely lower than the figure we've discussed. Two things now. We weren't clear on Dade County hass appropriated the $234,000 of which part we are asking the city one year ago to match it. One year ago they gave us 6710 we are ready to go the architects We have the blue prints ready. The paint committee gave $40,000.00 of his money of parks to help to develop the grounds. So we are all ready to go we are ready now to contract and say to a contractor. Come build before the prices get much higher. These figures was based on two years ago estimate. I am asking the Commission for clarification. Where do we stand on the city's share of the half million dollar capital out -lay to serve 300 young people from 7 A.M. until 9 P.M. six days a week. If I can get that clear I'll sit down sir. I'll sit down anyway. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Andrews could you address yourself.. to the question? Mr. Andrews: WE11 this was a program that the City Commission was giving consideration to as a potential re -funding for this year based on the information that was made available at the last meeting. Prior to that nearly a year had gone by since the request for funds was made and we felt that it should have been included with the re -programming of these funds, but obviously from what has been stated at the last meeting in here. They apparently are now ready to move ahead with their projects and their plans are under way. This is something that I presume the Commission will have to take under advisement as we go through all of theseand then make a determination as to how important you feel it is in the relation of the rest of the projects to make a determination about funding. Mr. W. Tolbert: Mr. Mayor, any additional information we want we will be happy to provide it for him at the moment he wants it. Mayor Ferre: All right sir. Thank you. '3 Ott Stride Quint: I represent the Senior Centers of Dade County. First, I would just like to compliment Senator Pepper for his remark$ tonterning the elderly and also I'd like to compliment you for the remarks contribute to you in the newspapers -saying that we have not served the elderly enough with the Revenue Sharing Funds that we have available. Mayor Terre: Well, Doctor I might say that you are one of the people in this community_that showed me the light. I know you been here for about 2 yrs. now. Dr. Bruce Quint: 1h yrs. Mayor Ferre: 1' yrs. and I want to say that I personally can _attest that this community is very fortunate to have someone not only of your dedication background and ability but of your knowledge and we welcome you here to the City of Miami Commission Meeting. Dr. Bruce Quint: Thank you. Basically why I want to speak today, is because I was somewhat disappointed that the Senior Centers of Dade County, an agency which serves the Greater Miami Area we have nine sights for the elderly in the Greater Miami Area was excluded in the recommendation for Revenue Sharing Funds and there are just three brief points I'd like to make which might give you reason for re -consideration. The first is that today in the field of the elderly, one of the prime concerns is keeping the elderly in the community and out of institutions. This is where you save the most money and you provide the greatest human service. The meals prog- rams and the medicate programs .and the social service programs they are all beinggeared for this purpose. The second point is that the Senior Centers servesthe heterogeneous population. We serve all areas of Greater Miami area which includes Blacks, Spanish-speaking and White. And we cut across all income levels and the third area is that in writing grants now for the last year and one half in this field. I had purposely come in with a figure which I thought would be amenable to the City Commission understand- ing that there would be a lot of needy organization asking for funds and basically in my proposal I had stated that in order to help keep people out of institutions and in the community we would serve at a minimum a thousand additional people at a cost of $45,000.UU ana I think tt you carefully look over thevarious proposals you would have to look a long way to find that kind of a staff in ratio. Mayor Ferre: N0w you mean to tell me that you are going to give some- body a hot meal, is that what you are talking about? Dr. Bruce Qunit: No, no we are not talking about hot meals. WE are talking about where we set up a health maintenance and social work (net work) in addition to our hot meals now. The meals are basically serves to bring people in for the meals. Then you have to provide the supporting social services. The many elderly when they get sick or they are shut-in in their homes. This is when the most damage, the most deterioration occurs. We need staff to go in there now to treat them in these critical periods. If they are healthy and well about we don't have to serve them as greatly as we do in these critical periods. And we are saying for the staff for the $45,000.00 that we requested we can serve an additional 1,000 elderly people in the Greater Miami area. area? Mayor Ferre: Ok. I misunderstood. I am glad you clarified that. Mrs. Gordon: Do you cover all areas of the city, you go into every Dr. Bruce Quint: That's correct. Mrs. Gordon: You don't cut across any line OP On MP Dr. Bruce Quint: We serve all areas in the city including all populatio within the city. Mayor Ferre Page 21, Senior Centers of;tide County, Inc. $45,000 request. Provides.:senior aide, nutrition, recreation, health Maintenance, case work, adult education, and volunteer aervice to elderly. Ate the aide.<centers in the City of Miami? Dr. Bruce Quint: Yes they are.. Mayor Ferre: Within the city boundaries? Dr. Bruce Quint:. Within the city boundaries in the Greater area. Mayor Ferre: Not Greater of Miami. City of Miami -- Dr. Bruce Quint: City of Miami. We go from 62nd Street down to the trail, from 27th Avenue over to South Miami Avenue. Mayor Ferre: Funds requested to expand health maintenance and casework services. $38,200 of this amount for two caseworkers and two nurses (RN). Other funding includes State and United Way. A member of the United Way. All of the request is for staff salaries and travel. No overhead expenses are being requested. Any questions of the Doctor? Are there any further questions? All right who is the next speaker? Mr. Ralph Aaron: I am only speaking out of context because I was sitting here and I do a certain conclusion relative to what's taking place since I sat down here within an hour ago. It is quite obvious to me that's what's needed by the City of Miami is a federal grantsman. As we enter the fourth quarter of the twentieth century there is a lot of money up there. Mayor Ferre: We completely agree with you and we are working on it. Within the next two or three weeks you come back we'll have a report for you. Mr. Ralph Aaron: May I comment on one more thing then relative to this? You know it's a strange thing but you know we have some luxury services are a little fast on the City Commission rather on the Civic personnel. My point simply is this. Since the Metro Development Department isn't doing its job to provide jobs for us. I suggest that the Planning be re -directed to provide both the federal grantsman and a development director to bring him in the within the City of Miami and not the general area to provide jobs for our people who are definitely hurting. Mayor Ferre: All right. Good statement. Mr. Cerf. Mr. D. Cerf: Thank you Mayor Ferre, Vice Mayor and Madame Commissioner and fellow Commissioners. I would like to briefly report back to the Comm- ission on the topic you all asked me to look into at the previous hearing. And I am glad to see Mrs. Frazier here. I think she can be part of the general discussion. I would like to bring your attention to page 23 on the City Manager's report of October the llth. Basically the federal funding was passed over by the County for tenant services and I would like to bring to your attention once again that the County through HUD has a tenant services agency. However the county through HUD also is one of our largest landlords and evicts probably more people than anybody else through HUD. So there is a complex of interest in the County not surprisingly said well don't fund any tenant organization because the independent tenant organization in these indeed fight HUD when it tries to evict tenants. But be that as it may there were two proposals submitted. Now, last year the City of Miami funded tenants security in the amount of $50,000 this has got a board of directors which includes Rev. Thedford Johnson, and Mrs. Eunice Liberty, the president of the National Council of Negro Women and others. This board of directors through the last year has watched the spending of the money and the actions taken by tenants security and we feel we've performed our function. Now there was a complict because there were two proposals. The one from tenants security and the one from Tenant Education Association of Miami. The way to resolve this is the indication that we got from the chairs. We had a meeting and we tried to resolve the two. Now in the budget that was proposed for Tenant Security headed by Rev. Johnson, there WWI a nev position available. Money in that new budget. The increase from the $50,000 was $20,000 we got from Model Cities last year which we don't get anymore. So we need that to continue the present operation and the other $20,000 was for inflation and for a new position.. A pos- ition and a half really. Now what we have done to try to resolve this conflict and keep everyone happy is this, is that the Tenant Security is willing to do one or two things to Rev. Johnson. That is to offer Mrs. Frazier and her staff positions --- Mayor Ferre: All right stop right there Dave. Because in your letter here as I read it. You say that her organization is a one woman organization. Mr. D. Cerf: Herself and an aide at this time. Mayor Ferre: Oh there is an aide. Ok. Go ahead. Mr. D. Cerf: But we have the funds in the proposed budget and frankly we could use a woman of her energy and caliber. So we could absorb her into the organization or we could give her an independent sub- contract. An independent sub -contract so she can do pretty well as much what she wants subject only to the approval of her budget by Rev. Johnson and people like Ms. Eunice Liberty who's on the board. We feel as in the Language of the Godfather this is an offer she can't refuse. This is an offer I certainly wouldn't refuse because she can't continue her good work and the only possible problem might be that she in preparing her budget she might have to answer to Rev. Johnson and Ms. Liberty. And there is no problem as far as the funding goes for her and her aide. This is basically our position. We feel we've gone the second and third mile to try to work something out here. Mayor Ferre: All right, Mr. Cerf. I tell you we are beginning to run out of time again. You know we have to give up this chamber at 7. It's now 6:30 so -- ----- How many other speakers are there here today? Mrs. Eufola Frazier: Thank the Commission for allowing me to speak here. I would like to speak again for the issue and the need for Tenant Service within the City of Miami. I would also like to say that I am not say fight any tenants security, but due to the way that we are structured from the local. We affiliate with local, state, southern region and the national and being binded by this organization as a national organization we cannot except (you know) tie-in with the tenant security organization to the philosophy is altogether different and we wouldn't like to lose our national affiliation or national recognition. So for that reason why and I cannot say that we would accept the proposal that they have just adjusted because we now is just unknown about it. And I need to have our board dis- cuss it. Mayor Ferre: Thank you very much Ms. Frazier. A11 right now, Mr. Menendez. Mr. Menendez: Thank you Mr. Mayor, I just want to make on point clear that from our presentation. Number one you can see that we cannot afford to send a lawyer here to represent our organization. We ourselves have to do it. Number two, those of you - and I am sure Commissioner Gordon, all of you have been keeping up with the newspaper article as to what is the word this organization is being, not this year, not last year, but five years ago.and how we've been able to struggle with crumbs from the table. When Rev.. Gibson was sitting at the I am sure Rev. Gibson remember my face and I have never lived in public housing, but I used to be there fighting and strug- gling not only for the tenants that live in public housing, but also for the private tenants. And when the management improvement program came down which is the one that HUD limited themselves too. That was for public housing tenants but we ourselves kept advising those public housing tenants and the private housing tenants, so you have to look in the entire philosophy of this ot4;aniration. The Tenants Education Association and the Tenants Security in order to make a judgment. We have been working for the benefits of the tenants. No charge of membership and practically with no money at all. Check it out and you find out. Mayor Ferre: Thank you. All right Mr. Albo. Mr. Alba: Mr. Mayor and Mr. Commission. I leave to you in the recommendation for Dade County is make a mistake. My organization has nothing to do for Accion Community Center . I got here Mr. the chairman of the Action Community Service Center is asking you for $10,000 for giving these service and for the people in the City of Mimai. Thank you. Mayor Ferre: All right thank you. Mr. Jim Henry: Good evening. I represent Big Brothers & Big Sisters and I am sorry I was unable to be with you last week. I just want to say, that we hope in your consideration of funding for our program that you will certainly keep in mind the needs of the single parent families in the City of Miami. And that particularly we will take cognizance of the fact that we have the diverse population of Latin, Black and White in the city and we are most anxious to expand our services and provide outreach into all segments of people in the City of Miami. Thank you. Mayor Ferre: All right. Thank you sir. Now ladies and gentlemen this concludes the public portion. From now on this is just a Commission matter and I will not recognize anyone that wishes to speak on any item unless it's a direct question from one of the Commissioners and I will whole you to answering just that question and nothing else. Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Mayor are you ready for motions on specific items? Mayor Ferre: I am. Mrs. Gordon: I would like to move the After School Care Program for the $200,000, because that is what they said they could get along with. And although I would like to move it for more at this time apparently that's all we can afford. Mayor Ferre: All right. Now, Commissioner Gordon I am going to recog- nize you in a second. I would like to if I may and then I'll recognize you on that, point out a memorandum that I have placed before you. I want to just very briefly if I may go over this so that the Commission understands what I've recommended and to those of you that will be cut if that should be the result. I want to apologize it's one of these hard decisions that we all have to make. I am going to get some heat out of this and I know that. I want to tell you,some of you will be upset when you hear your names that there are potential other funds that we are going to be able to get and I hope that we can get them very quickly and we may be able to re -institute your program. In this memorandum I have twelve different points very quick- ly, the first one is - (I). Mr. Manager of the difference between what was reviewed by the committee and the fact there were 9 programs that were not reviewed and I hope in the future we are going to have a committee that the committee functions. (2) It's just a little slight apparent criticism of Metro that they agreed to have the system, then we went through it ladies and gentlemen and I want you to hear this. The City of Miami went through it and and we submitted ourselves to that system, but Metro didn't. They went ahead and they did their own. We didn't have any review committee of Metro's social services. So you know what's good for the goose has got to be good for the gander. That's the way we are going to function in the future. (3). I made a statement here and I want to reiterate. I recognize that time was short that this is the first time we've done this. We did not go sufficiently in debt in the investigation of some of these programs as Father Gibson has pointed out several times. (4). I think Day Care and After School Centers that we have to be very careful on the sliding -scale and I think we've covered that sufficiently today. 1 (5). With regards to Edison -Little River and you are not going to like this, but I think that we should apply to Edison -Little River the very, very same categories as the others. In other words, if we are funding a thousand dollars per child in these programs as I see it. It is my recommendation that we do that throughout. And since you are talking about 30 children. As I read the memorandum, that's $30,000 not $100,000. Well, the memorandum said $30,000---- Ok, I stand corrected if that' the case. Mr. Manager I would like for you to go into the that specifically. The YMCA who asks for $11,000 I am recommending that that be cut to $6,000 because that's all they really need for the program as I understand the program. The Coconut Grove Optimist Club $10,000 I think we are going to have to defer that until we find some additional funds. .The $10,000 in cultural programs, I think we have to defer that until we find additional funds. As long as we have people who need food and basic needs I don't see how we can help the Ives Centennial and the other cultural programs, I'm sorry. I'd like to see ---- With regards to legal services, I under- stand Mr. Dixon that there will be federal funds coming in throughout the year. As these programs are funded I would like our monies specicially ear- marked and as you receive federal funds, that you return our monies to us if there are any. monies to be returned. Mr. Dixon: Well, we received a federal grant but that grant does not provide for any new areas. Mayor Ferre: Yea-- but that may change as the year goes by and you may find federal funding and I think that it is important that if you do that that money --- that you not use the city's money and that you return it to us and we can use it for other programs. If you find substitute funds. And I might further say that I think it's the obligation to Dade County Mr. Dixon to eventually fund this whole program and I for one am serving notice this year that next year I will not vote for these funds. And I am just saying it one year ahead of time. With regards to the advisory I think we ought to have as long as the city is putting money into legal services for the Wyndwood area or for Little Havana, that we should appoint in each comm- unity a five man advisory board that are involved in the functioning month to month or two months to two months. So that we know that the community is being served and that we have a sounding board that will be involved and interested and follow-up. With regards to the Northwestern High School Activity Program -$6,500, I don't think that it should be a separate category, I think that it should be a part of Item 4#10. I don't see any reason for us to separate one school. I am saying that we fund it. I am not saying that we not fund it. I am just saying that we should not create a special category for that school. (11). I think both Metropolitan Dade County and the School Board should assume more responsibility as we go along in these programs. And I think it is absolutely essential Mr. Manager that next year we be prepared to go up before these boards, especially Metro and say the people of Miami pay for 23% or 24% of the taxes and we expect to get 24% of the funds that are sent down from Tallahassee and Washington bond programs, etc. because I am sick and tired like everyone else on this Commission of hearing about this double taxation and duplication of services (I mean) when they don't talk about double taxation and the fact remains that a citizen in Miami is also a citizen of Metropolitan Dade County and he's entitled a fair proport- ion of Dade County's funds. Just because the City of Miami is out spending some money does not relieve Metropolitan Dade County of that responsibility. Therefore, I think - but we've got to have facts in our hands to confront them with. And (12) I think is absolutely essential Mr. Manager, that we have a follow-up and review system not next Septemeber but next month and every other month so that we know that if we are giving money to the Urban League that's its being properly spent, that it is not being spent in a program that we didn't foresee or that monies that were earmarked for something were used in some other type of a program. I didn't mean to pick out the Urban League out of context but any other of these programs. I think that we should not fund these programs on a lump sum basis, but rather set-up allocat- ions so that they can be drawn on a monthly basis. On a good management system where it's needed and we can be checking on it all the time. Those are the comments that I had in this memorandum. Mrs. Gordon: Is it alright if we proceed now Mayor, because we only have 15 minutes. Ok, t'il move the After School Care Program $200,000.00. Mayor Ferre: There is a motion and second MI6 /Mb NM Mr. Plummer: (Inaudible) I concur with some of your ideas in your memorandum and some I don't but Mr. Mayor, I think that maybe and I only offer this for food for thought. That I concur that I think that there should be some more in-depth study of some of the programs. I think the one that touch me the most was T. Willard Pair when he spoke to the programs of meat and potatoes. I would like to see Mr. Mayor, if it is possible that today and I don't want to be the one to set it that we put those priorities on the program which are meat and potato programs and that we then take the remaining balance and re -look at what we have left and what the programs are that are of need. Now let me just tell you just to'give you an example. I marked off and every Commissioner could do likewise. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. I marked off ten of .the programs of which I think are essential which come to a total of $791,000.00, leaving approximately two hundred and fifty thousand dollars which could be then taken back and give a new look to and redelegation of funds. Now, that's what I have in mind. Mayor Ferre: All right. I think that's a good recommendation. Why don't we try to follow that and go right down the line and see how far we get and if we have problems then we might have come back and advise another system. Mrs. Gordon: All right. We have a motion, do you want Mayor Ferre: All right. There is a motion and a second on item 2A which is After School Care-$200,000.00 . Is there further discussion? Call the roll please. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 74-1158 A MOTION APPROVING THE FUNDING FROM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING MONEYS AN AFTER SCHOOL CARE PROGRAM IN THE AMOUNT OF $200,000.00. Upon being seconded by Vice Mayor Reboso, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner J.L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. Kra. Gordon: Mr. Mayor, the next essential program is the,-,..' Mayor Ferret Let's go right down the line Rose, After School House. Mrs. Gordon: Well, I'll move that yes. Go ahead. What I wanted to do and what i was hoping to do so the rest of the ladies that ate here on the Day Cate Program could leave is to complete the one that's to open the end of this month. To restore the $40,000.00 to it that the Manager has re -budgeted to other items so that was on a loan basis and I'd like to restore that $40,000 to it. Mr. Andrews: Well in essence Mrs. Gordon when you adopt that Day Care Program that is proposed now for the $387,079.00, the way we are proposing to the Commission it will fund that entire budget plus leave a reminder of $30,000 in the event that we don't obtain the fees that we anticipate so that that money would be in place to carry out the entire program. Mrs. Gordon: All right, Mr. Manager we don't agree but I don't in- tend to keep this Commission here for another hour having this discussion back and forth with you. So I want to tell you that I believe it's under funded and I believe that if necessary we may have to dip back into the general fund with some of those items that you said that we might be able to delete when we pass the general fund budget, such as deletion of nix extra positions in the parks and recreational program for $87,200 such as the public properties. Reductions and motor pool fleet $25,000 garage equipment and so on. I just want to bring out the point Maurice that at the time that we did pass this requested the Manager to provide us with the allocations on this and he didn't do it. Mayor Ferre: On the record I want to make a statement that I agree with you and I will back this one up. Mrs. Gordon: Ok then I'll move on with the other -- Mayor Ferre: The School House. Mrs. Gordon: The School House Program and I'll move that. Mayor Ferre: There is a motion and a second #Item 2 After School House- $5,103. Call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 74-1159 A MOTION APPROVING THE FUNDING FROM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING MONEYS AN AFTER SCHOOL HOUSE PROGRAM IN THE COCONUT GROVE AREA IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,103.00 Upon being seconded by Vice Mayor Reboso, , the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner J.L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. Mayor yerre: Ail right now on Item #11, I have that question . whith has to be resolved and t would before we vote on it would like to get the resolution on it. We'll come back to that. Mrs. Gordon: Can I ask Annette a question? Annette you're catering to low+income children primarily almost entirely is that right? But have you your newlocations for expansion? Mayor Ferre: Mr. Manager.I would like for this to be one of the items that will be reviewed by you before we vote on it. Mrs. Gordon: Annette are you receiving anything from the County for operational! You should be cause you have low -income children. Doesn't matter if you use their facilities. They are supposed to provide you with the operational expenses. And they are funding the other programs why should they exclude this one, don't you see? (asked by the Mayor). assured us that she is going to do it in Wyndwood and by the same token she should be able to provide you with some there. Mrs. Gordon: Wanda can you assist us at all in this direction? (She speaks in the background -- conservation not audible). May I bring us a very important matter and then we can move on Mr. Mayor? The fragile elderly program is at a very strategic point right now where we expend it to improve the park building $26,000 and that money has to be restored to the original budget so that we can operate all the money we have in there is $25,000 . We need that $26,000 back and we need $25,000 additional to operate it. We have an operator ready to do the contract for the city. May I move that? Mr. Plummer: Now that's - Mr. Mayor we are going to deviate from this form in front of us, then let's go ahead an deviate all the way. Mayor Ferre: No, no we are not going to do that. I also support the $25,000 restoration for the capital improvements for the frail elderly but not at this time. Mr. Plummer: What about the Edison Little River Self -Help? Mayor Ferre: No, that's what I'm saying I wish you'd whole back. St. Alban's Day Nursery anybody want to move that. There is a motion by Plummer, seconded by $65,000 - Item #122, call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 74-1160 A MOTION APPROVING THE FUNDING FROM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING MONEYS THE ST. ALBAN'S DAY NURSERY PROGRAM IN THE AMOUNT OF $65,000.00. Upon being seconded by Vice Mayor Reboso„ the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. ..Mayor erre: Comttunity Schools- ttem .#10. $56,500. Any discussion. Call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, Who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 74-1161 A MOTION APPROVING THE FUNDING FROM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING MONEYS A COMMUNITY SCHOOLS PROGRAM IN THE AMOUNT OF $56,500.00. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. Mayor Ferre: Item #30 Youth Co -Op - $85,000. Mrs. Gordon: I have some discussion. I'd like to know a little bit more about that program. Is the gentlemen here on that item? Mayor Ferre: Rev. Mc Yannis United Fund and Vito Rigillo is here. It is highly recommended by the Rev. Mc Yannis : It takes care of 630 people. It's a proposal reflects professional knowledge in the field of juvenile delinquency. roll. Mayor Ferre: Any further discussion? Any other question? Call the The following motion was introduced by Vice Mayor Reboso who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 74-1162 A MOTION APPROVING THE FUNDING FROM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING MONEYS A YOUTH CO-OP PROGRAM IN THE AMOUNT OF $85,000.00 Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. Mayor Ferre: Item #4, Big Brothers & Big Sisters. No second, Mr. Plummer: I move the Urban League. Vice Mayor Beboso seconds the motion.Let's pick out the one we want to go with first. Mayor Ferre: All right. Anybody wants,.to move on Big Brothers and Big Sisters at this time? A11 right then the next one is the Urban League. Mrs. Gordon: Well wait a minute, wait a minute. 0n the Big Brothers & Big Sisters they are being funded by other agencies, there was a represent- ative here a little while ago from Big Brothers. Can you explain to us why you need funds from the city. You are being funded aren't you by other agencies? t Yes, we are funded by the United Way and Mayor Ferre: Can I cut through real quick? You requested to fund three areas. This actually only coveredone area and that's the downtown area. At this time they don't have any programs for Big Brothers in the downtown area. Mrs. Gordon: You don't have any now. : We have it. It's limited tremendously. This is the whole program of outreach designed specifically for that type of community. Mrs. Gordon: Where do you mean downtown? : Basically the central district. Mayor Ferre: They requested 60 some odd thousands for three programs. Mrs. Gordon: The central downtown district. I'll move that. Mayor Ferre: All right. There is a motion on Item #4 Big Brothers & Big Sisters, is there a second? Is there a second? Is there a second? Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I don't want to let this go by the board with- out a second to to inflect - infer that we are not going to do anything for them, but I think that first we must get and address ourselves to these pertinent facts and then we can come back to the others. Mrs. Gordon: Well, I don't see what's more pertinent, less pertinent than --- You are talking about an area that needs a program desperately as I assume it.and the only reason we don't have it because he doesn't have the funds for it, is that right? : The demands for service at this point. We've a tremendous number of children already on our waiting list who have requested the service from that area Mrs. Gordon: Well, I moved it for that reason. Mayor Ferre: Be that as it may, please understand that if you don't get a second. It does not mean that you are not going to get funded. It just means that you may not get funded tonight. For the last time, is there a second? Hearing none then the next item --- There is a motion on Urban League $75,000.00 There is a second, is there further discussion? Item #29, Urban League - $75,000. If not call the roll. r3 The following motion was introduced by Coinitissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 74-1163 A MOTION APPROVING THE FUNDING FROM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING MONEYS AN URBAN LEAGUE NEW SKILLS BANK IN THE AMOUNT OF $75,000.00. Upon being seconded by Vice Mayor Reboso, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. Mayor Fe) Mr. Plumm, Community Schoo..s.' Mrs. Gordon: Belafonte Tacolcy Center #3. I would like to move next Mr. Mayor is part of the - Northwestern High School. I'll second that. Mayor Ferre: All right then by that I assume that nobody wants to make a motion at this time. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor don't assume anything. Mayor Ferre: Well then let me ask a question as the chairman, is there any motions on Item #3, Belafonte Tacolcy Center? Are there any motions on 7-A Y.M.C.A.? Are there any motions on 8-A Coconut Grove Optimist Club? Are there any motions on Item #20 Model City Sports Dev- elopment ? Mr. Plummer: I move Northwestern High School. Mrs. Gordon: I think the Model City Sports Development Program is a excellent program for children, but the way we are funded it is almost ridiculous. I think the record should reflect that I think the program is good but so tremendous. Yea--- I think you ought to study this in a whole context of what it means, but ---- Mayor Ferre: I want to repeat that the fact that we don't have a motion or a second to some of these things does not mean that they will not funded. Mr. Plummer: Exactly. Mayor Ferre: Ok. Mr. Plummer: Once again I Program. (Mrs. Gordon seconds move Northwestern High School Activities that) Mayor Ferre: There is a second on Item 4-A for $6,500. Further discussion. Hearing none call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 74-1164 A MOTION APPROVING THE FUNDING FROM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING MONEYS AN ACTIVITIES PROGRAM AT NORTHWESTERN HIGH SCHOOL IN THE AMOUNT OF $6,500.00 Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner J.L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. Mrs. Gordon: I want to talk to Mr. Rafael Villaverde. Rafael you have worked with me on elderly programs. You know my feelings on the elderly. I know your's. You are proposing to open new centers which have not yet been opened. You also intend to enlarge the ones you already have. Mr. Villaverde: First question yes. Second question- Not at the present time. Mrs. Gordon: No. Ok. But you are planning new centers.(Rafael answers ,yes). Could you accept 125,000 and permit the elderly frail elderly program to proceed, because the only program that's being funded for elderly out of all the Revenue Sharing Funds is the one you are requesting and the one that we've been working on for over a year is not funded for the amount of $25,000. Therefore, I am asking you since you don't have your new centers opened yet to cooperate with this Comm- ission in that regard. Mr. Villaverde: I am willing to cooperate with anybody but not with- out taking the food away from the mouths of the senior citizens. Mrs. Gordon: No they are senior citizens we are talking about. Mr. Villaverde: That's right. But see I'm talking about I already got a $40,000 cut so what's going to be left. Why don't they cut on another program that are not serving the senior citizens? Senior citizens have been cut enough to have a third cut on it. That's my philosophy that we are talking about a bread and butter program. Why should we take the food away from the senior citizens? Mrs. Gordon: I don't want to take anything away from the senior citizens or children. Those are two categories I'm totally in favor of but I am asking you to speak to the other one. Mayor Ferre: Commissioner Gordon I personally will pledge to you my support. I'm just speaking for myself along with you to find $25,000 some- where for the frail elderly. Mrs. Gordon: Yea that's not counting the 26,000 restored to capital improvement because that was taken to improve the building. Mayor Ferre: Oh I thought you were talking about the $26,000. Mrs. Gordon: No. We need a total of $75,000 to make this program work this year and Mr. Manager knows that very well. We actually need 90 we're figuring on 15,000 coming in from fees, therefore we would have 15,000 towards it. Vice Mayor Reboso: Rose this is a program that is providing 450 hot meals a day. Mrs. Oordons l understand Manolo. I am not taking a thing away from the area that's its going, but 1 am simply reminding you there are other people and also have to be considered. Mayor Metre: 1 agree. It's 7:00.o'clock, so we've got to move on. Vice Mayor Reboso: I move Mr. Mayor Item 17 for $145,000.00 . Mayor Ferre: All right Plummer seconds. Further discussion,call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Vice Mayor Reboso, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 74-1165 A MOTION APPROVING THE FUNDING FROM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING MONEYS A LITTLE HAVANA ACT- IVITIES CENTER IN THE AMOUNT OF $145,000.00. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. Mayor Ferre: Item #8 Coconut Grove Family Clinic . Is there any motion on Coconut Grove Family Clinic - $80,000.00. There is a motion by Gibson. Seconded by Plummer. Further discussion Item 8. Call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner (Rev.) Gibson, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 74-1166 A MOTION APPROVING THE FUNDING FROM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING MONEYS A COCONUT GROVE FAMILY CLINIC IN THE AMOUNT OF $80,000.00. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the motion_ was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso Mayor Maurice A. Ferre 'OES: None. Mayor Ferre: Let's go down the line. #16 Legal Services - $86,000.00, is there a motion? Is there a motion? Is there a motion? Item # 5. Mr. Plummer: I'll move St.Luke's. Mayor Ferre: There is a motion and a second for St. Luke's Catholic Service Bureau. Mayor Perre: Flutter trade the motion. Father seconds the Motion. Further discussion Item 5,, $100,000. Ca11 the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 74-1167 A MOTION APPROVING THE FUNDING FROM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING MONEYS A CATHOLIC SERVICES BUREAU, ST. LUKE'S CENTER IN THE AMOUNT OF $100,000.00. Upon being seconded by Vice Mayor Reboso, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. Mayor Ferre: On Item 1/ 6-A Channel 2 is there a motion? Mrs. Gordon: I'll move that. Mayor Ferre: There is a motion on 6-A. Is there a second for Channel 2? Is there a second? All right Item 13 & 15 Cultural Programs, is there a motion? Item 11 Edison Little River Self -Help - $30,000.00. Mrs. Gordon: I'll move that. May I ask what the continguency portion of it is referred to Mr. Manager? Mr. Andrews: That was funds remaining that were not committed. Just available. Mrs. Gordon: Oh they're available. Ok. That goes for the elderly. Ok. I move the Edison Little River Self -Help - $30,000. Mayor Ferre: All right there is a motion and a second by the Vice Mayor. Further discussion on Item #11 if not call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 74-1168 A MOTION APPROVING THE FUNDING FROM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING MONEYS AN EDISON LITTLE RIV- ER SELF-HELP COMMUNITY COUNCIL FOR YOUTH IN THE AMOUNT OF $30,000.00. Upon being seconded by Vice Mayor Reboso, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. Mts. Gordon: And I move the $14,551 towards the frail elderly ptogtam ad we can move forward. Vice Mayor Reboso: Which one is that? Mayor Ferre: What she is doing she is taking the continguency of $14,551 and allocating that to the frail elderly. Now I think its the Manager's flexibility to come back. Mr. Manager I along (I don't know whoelse feels this way) Mrs. Gordon's has expressed her opinion. I think that's the program that we really have to help along. So please --- I hope you find the full amount to fund that program as it exists. Mr. Andrews: At this point and I've set here quietly so that you could go ahead and formulate the program that you want, but there is some mis- understanding that exists in some of these programs and if I'm not going to have an opportunity to give you the facts and then I'll do whatever you want to have accomplished -we are going to have some difficulties at the end of it. The frail elderly program Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission. Mayor Ferre: Not tonight Paul. Mr. Andrews; All right. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I'd like to offer a motion. I'd like to make a motion that the remaining 171,051.00 be deferred to the other programs for re -study and indepth look to further these funds. Mayor Ferre: Now Mr. Andrews when we do discuss this next time. Mr. Plummer: Excuse me. I am mistaken. Mayor Ferre: Your figures are wrong, but that's alright. Wait a moment. Now, Paul I want you when you come back to further discuss this We've got to break up now. The first thing is frail elderly. Can you discuss that and explain it and come back ? We have an ongoing payroll to meet. I am going to have to lay off people starting tomorrow morning if we are not going to get some kind ofsupport because we are having.to borrow money now for the first three weeks in October. Mr. Plummer: What's your payroll for a month? Its about $5,000 a month. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I'll move you at this time that $5,000 be delegated to Legal Services. Mrs. Gordon seconds. Mayor Ferre: Second to that. Further discussion call the roll please. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 74-1169 A MOTION APPROVING THE FUNDING FROM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING MONEYS THE OPERATION OF LEGAL SERVICES OF GREATER MIAMI IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,000.00 Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: Nome. Mrs.. Gordon:. Mr. Mayor may I please ask your consideration to a very Vital matter and_.t sincerely mean this from the bottom of my heart. I know your sympathies lie:in the direction of the frail elderly. However, the agency that has agreed to contract with the city to run the program must be given an answer now and we can't give them an answer unless we have the money. Therefore I'm asking you to please go along with that program now. Mayor Ferre: Rose it isn't be alOne on this now. Mrs, Gordon: Yes you're one and I am certain that if I put the motion and you're agreeable that there will be another one. Vice Mayor Reboso: How much money are talking about Rose? Mrs. Gordon: We are talking about $25,000 and the restoration of the capital improvement funds which is a separate item. I have a res- olution on the restoration. A resolution authorizing the City Manager to transfer $26,000 from capital improvement funds from unallocated sources for the construction of facilities at_Legion Memorial Park for the Day Program for the elderly. This is money that was in the program and we took the money out of the program to put in jalousie windows and petitions for constructional. No all we need . Mr. Plummer: As I understand it. If I'm correct and you correct me if I'm not. This money is just to put it back in. The total program is going to $90,000. Mrs. Gordon: Please let me explain Ok? The total program of $90,000 will be funded with $15,000 in fees coming in from the participants. Act- ually we'll only be funding $75,000 and we already if we restore this $26, 000 of capital improvement money we'll only need $25,000 more to have the program, because we are not worried about the fees. We know we'll get some people who can afford to pay. J. L. Plummer listen to me we had $50,000 bud- geted before. We improved the Legion Park not especially for this program but the moneys were taken from it. I move this resolution restoring the capital improvement fund. Mayor Ferre: All right. I think we all understand it. Is there a second to the motion. All right now look Rose there is no second to the motion and I think that we have to go along with the majority. Mrs. Gordon: Are you saying then that the money we budgeted for this program should be kept out of this program for jalousies? Mayor Ferre: No, I am not saying that at all. I am just saying that we.are -not going to do it tonight. Now, I'll tell you what I would like for you to do Paul is to schedule this, I know that we already have an agenda. What time do we start? Ah boy, I was going to say if it was 9:00 we'd start at 8:30 to discuss it but we can't. Mr. Plummer: No. no, because you got the Police report first. Mayor Ferre: Oh. I forgot that. Mr. Plummer; Let me make one suggestion Mr. Mayor, I don't want this Edison Little River Self -Help to go away empty handed. They have afforded to this Commission 30 children and I would like at this time to move that we fund at the tune of 1,000 per child 30,000 and if she can justify the additional 70 children then we'll take that into consideration. Mayor Ferre: I go along with that. Mr. Southern: Mr. Mayor, that's already been done. Mayor Ferre: Do you understand what the motion was Mr. Southern? Mr. Southern: Yes for $30,000. Mayor Ferre: Yea that right and then for each child 1,000 per child ur to 100,000 dollars which is what this says. Mrs, Gordon: Now this has nothing to do with Revenue Sharing. Mayor Ferre: Wait a minute, wait a minute, We have to vote on this one first Rose. Wait a moment. Call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 74- 1170 A MOTION APPROVING THE FUNDING FROM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING MONEYS AN EDISON LITTLE RIVER SELF-HELP COMMUNITY COUNCIL PROGRAM OR PRE-SCHOOL DAY CARE IN THE AMOUNT OF $30,000.00, AT THE RATE OF $1,000.00 PER CHILD FOR THIRTY CHILDREN AND TO CONSIDER FUNDING AN ADDITIONAL SEVENTY CHILDREN AT THE SAME RATE IF JUSTIFICATION CAN BE SHOWN FOR SUCH ACTION. Upon being seconded by Commissioner (Rev.) Gibson, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. Mrs. Gordon: I am restoring the $26,000 of capital improvements. Mayor Ferre: Rose I am going to recognize you on that and I am going to ask for a out of order. second and there is none. I am going to rule you Mrs. Gordon: All right. But if I get a second will you rule me out of order? Mayor Ferre: NO!ofcourse not. Mrs. Gordon: A resolution authorizing the City Manager to transfer $26,000 from the capital improvement fund from allocated sources for the construction of sources for the construction of facilities at Legion Mem- orial Park for the Day Program for the elderly. It's a restoration program. Mayor Ferre: All right. Is there a second to the motion? Vice Mayor Reboso: I second the motion. Mr. Plummer: I move to defer. Mayor Ferre: Is there a second to the motion to table or to defer? Nobody wants to defer. Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor, what does this mean to defer? Mayor Ferre: If we defer we'll take it up on Thursday. All right. Is there a second to the defer? Now there is a vote as to whether or not we defer and then we vote on the main motion. Is that_the way we do it? Mr. Lloyd: If the floor go to table or aert.. which is a motion and then of course depending upon the outcome of that is what you do next. Mayor Ferre: Call the roll on the deferral. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummet, who moVed its adoption: A MOTION TO DEFER RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO TRANSFER $26,000.00 FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS FROM ALLOCATED SOURCES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF SOURCES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF FAC- ILITIES AT LEGION MEMORIAL PARK FOR THE DAY PROGRAM FOR THE ELDERLY; A RESTORAT- ION PROGRAM. Upon being seconded by Commissioner (Rev.) Gibson, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Rev. Gibson, Mr. Plummer, Mayor Ferre. NOES: Mr. Reboso, Mrs. Gordon. Mayor Ferre: We'11 defer this until Thursday. Now is there further action? Mr. Plummer: The only further action is we got a problem here as to the exact amount. I can use the general philosophy if you like. That the remaining balance of the general revenue funds delegated to social service be held in abeyance for the re-evaluation of the programs. If you need that in the form of a motion. Mayor Ferre: You need the what in what? Say it again. Mr. Plummer: If you need a motion that the balance of the funds be held in abeyance for a re-evaluation of the programs and then we will make a further determination. Mayor Ferre: Motioned by Plummer, who seconds the motion? Mrs. Gordon: I would on the motion I would like the following considerations in the re-evaluation. Following being.a restoration of the $67,000 for the Downtown Day Care( I shall have to call it Tolbert Program), a restoration of the $40,000 to the Day Care Program in the parks. A restoration of the $40,000 for the Wyndwood Child Day Care Program and a allocation of $25,000 to the Frail Elderly Program. A consideration of $45,000 for the Senior Centers for the program that's described by Dr. Bruce Quint. These I would like to include as my per- sonal recommendation. Mayor Ferre: A11 right let the record reflect that. Anything else? Mr. Rolle: I am with Coconut Grove Optimist Club Mayor and the Commission. We have no where no where to turn really. We proposed $30,000. We hate to Mayor go away feeling like we feel because we can't go to Model Cities and other areas and right behind us in Coconut Grove we have kids who are burning people up really. I think it atrocious maybe we would go from here, but I feel pretty bad going away with noting behind all these programs. Mayor Ferre: Don't feel bad just come back again. Mr. Rolle: I doubt it. I don't think I'll come back. Mayor Fere: That's not the way to get money from this Commission. Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Rolle which program were you talking to the Optimist Program. Come back. 51 Mayor Ferret Now ladies and gentlemen before - and any of you that want to leave can do that, but I - Paul I had today the preasures were beginning to amount so much on this memorandum that I gent to you that I had to call a press conference this afternoon. I just wanted to explain to my fellow Commissioners the statement that I made so that its not Misunderstood, because I am sure you will be seeing it and hearing about it and reading it in the newepapers. Mrs. Gordon: Did you have to call the roll on that last item that Mr. Plummer Mayor Ferre: Oh call the roll ---- go ahead. Mr. Plummer: The remaining 236,051 be held in abeyance Mayor Ferre: All right. Call the roll. Mrs. Gordon: Wait one minute. In my list of priorities that I hope will be included I'd like to include the Optimist for the $10,000 or a port- ion of it anyway. Mayor Ferre: All right call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 74-1171 A MOTION DECLARING THE BALANCE OF THE FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING FUNDS ALLOCATED FOR SOCIAL SERVICES NOT HERETOFORE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED BE HELD IN ABEYANCE FOR RE-EVALUATION OF REQUESTS. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. _ Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. Mayor Ferret All right now Mr. Andrews so that I want to explain this to my fellow Commissioners and to you. (Plummer you better listen to this one sentence). I, today made a statement to the press that un- less we get a clear cut direction and some very quick changes in what I think are problems that are basic to the Police Department that I for the first time in my public career with the City of Miami will take into serious consideration the turning over the Police Department to Metropolitan Dade County and this is the first time that I've ever made that statement. And now I want it for the record to reiterate that it was not my intention nor would I like to see the Police Department turned over to Metropolitan Dade County. I hope that would never happen, but I think that the situation is drastic enough:for me to make that kind of mistake. Mr. Plummer: Well, Ok. Mayor Ferre: Now secondly, I said that - I made three statements. The second statement that I made is that I think that we have to look at the whole series of procedures that are now being used within the Miami Police Department and it's my opinion one of the things that we ought to very ser- iously consider is open up at an early point after an investigation of an alledged beating or a complaint from the public that we should open the re- port to the public immediately. I am not for a ethic civic review board of any kind. I don't want my word to misunderstood, that's not my intention. I think that will create more problems then it's going to solve, but I do think that we've got to change the procedure some how. One of the things that we ought to look into is that once the internal security comes up with their report the full documentation be made public. (that's just a thought). The third thing that I said was that the whole judicial (criminal) system in my opinion that we happen to be the headlines now. But you know there is a lot more that has problems in the City of Miami Police Department and I think that immediately and I will be writing a letter tomorrow to Gerstein, to Mayor Steve Clark, to the head judge in the County, that we should, all of us immediately appoint a committee that will review the whole criminal judicial system and come back with a review board system that's where we can get the citizens review board for the whole system so that we can --- the complaints can be sent to one central location instead of we take all the blame and the judges don't take any of the heat. And I think it's time the whole picture be seen. Mr. Plummer: Well Mr. Mayor since you have made your thoughts known on the record. I only want to address one of your thoughts. And Mr. Mayor I will tell you quite frankly, turning the Police Department or any other department over to Metropolitan Dade County admits that we can't handle a bad situation. I am not ready to admit that. I think we can iron out our problems, we can make the corrections that are needed and let's keep our Police Department where it is. Mayor Ferre: I want to keep :it.in the City of Miami just as badly as you do J.L. I am just saying that if we don't get a clear cut direction that's how far I'm willing to go to get it cleared.up. This Commission is now adjorned. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business to come before the City Commission, on motion duly made and seconded, the meeting was adjourned at: 7:20 O'Clock P. M. ATTEST: H. D. SOUTHERN City Clerk RALPH G. ONGIE Assistant City Clerk MAURICE A. FERRE Mayor