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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC 1974-09-23 MinutesI TY OF MIAMI COMMISSION MINUTES SPECIAL MEETING - A PLANNING STUDY FOR COCONJ T G IUI E OF MEETING HELD ON September 23, 1974 PREPARED BY THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK • CITY HALL H, D, SOUTHERN CITY CLERK RALPH G, QNGIE ASSISTANT CITY CLERK Mayor Ferre Commissioner Commissioner Commissioner Commissioner MUMS _ Of S P8C IAL COMMISSION, .MUTING MDNDAVA SSPTEMBRI% 23, 1974 ew* On the 23rd day of September, 1974 the City Commission of the City of Mami Florida met in Special Session caned by Mayor Maurice Ferre to consider business of public import. Mayor Ferre announced the purpose of this special meeting was to discuss the Coconut Grove zoning Study. The meeting was called to order at 5 :45 O'Clock P.M. and the following members of the Commission were found to be present: J.L. Plummer Manolo Reboso Rev. Theodore Gibson Rose Gordon Mayor Ferre: Ladies and gentlemen, those of you who do want to speak tonight who have not signed up would you please come up and give your name. Now we're just going to continue where we left off the other evening and then go down to other speak- ers Who have signed up this afternoon. The next speaker was Dolly Mac Intyre. Mr. Filer: Excuse are, do we have to sign up now? Mayor Ferre: No, sir. If you signed up last time.. Mr. Filer: I didn't sign up, I did for Fair Isle but not for the rest of it and another man here didn't either. Mayor Ferre: Mr.' Filer, I've got you... Well, that's all right, I'll recognize you again. If you want to speak, I'll put you down. You will be after Mrs. Reed of Central Grove. Mr. Filer, I'll write it down myself. Mr. Allen after Mr. Filer. All right, the first speaker will be Mrs. Dolly Mac Intyre. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I think it should be announced so that there will be no disappointment that due to another meeting starting in this room at 7:00 O'Clock this meeting will have to conclude at 7 :00. Mayor Ferrer That's why 1 didn't want to let anybody speak before. YOU see, we went half an hour on everybody speaking and you knot a five minute break was ten minutes and now here we are. All right, let's get going now. How long would you need to speak? Mrs. Mad Intyre: Less than four minutes. My name is Dolly Mac Intyre. My home is at 1835 0. Bayshore Drive. I'm here today wearing two hats. First is that of a Grove citizen. To begin let me state for the public record and for the media who are here today the impression given in the Miami Harald article last Monday that the Coconut Grove residents had given up their fight to save their community was very much in error. We've only begun to fight. We're fighting to preserve our homes. The same article also inferred that the City Commission has not been responsive to the people. It is my opinion that you do indeed listen to us when we appear before you. I do not envy you the responsibility of the decision making which faces you. The pressureOare great from both sides. However, if we wanted to, live in a concrete jungle we have quite a few to chooeo from but*we have chosen the uniqueness of Coconut Grove. 1 SEP 2 31974 urge you to make decisions that will reflect the wishes and :needs of the greater number of Grove Citizens. My other hat is that of a hietorical preservationist and president of Dade Heritage Trust. The planning Study recommends the development of a program for preservation of historic sites. It will en- able us to find acceptable means to preserve our few remaining reminders of the independent indivi8ualists who founded this community and whose spirit still exists. We have too long operated under the theory of scraping our land bare to build anew. We must change our way of thinking and develop an attit- ude of conservation of this non - renewable resource just as we must conserve our other resources if we are to survive. Your Planning Department has recognized this need and has provided for it in their study. We urge you to support them and the Grove citizens also recognizing this need. Thank you. Mayor Ferre; All right, Mrs. Mac Intyre. Pat Dean. All right, Pat Cox. All right, James Dean. You'v_ already spoken. Frances Gardner. Mrs. Frances Gardner: My name is Frances Gardner, I live at 1700 S. Bayshore Lane. I've lived there for almost 10 years. My husband and his family have lived there for almost 30 years. During the entire time I've lived there the property has been zoned R -4 and I have an order of Catholic teaching brothers living in single family homes on both sides of me. When other accomodations were found for them those same properties became rental properties. As a consequence, we do not feel it is appropriate for the Planning Board to characterize our neigh- borhood as single family. Many rf the single family homes are not occupied or rented and some that are owner occupied take in tenants. We also had during the full time one home con- verted into a day nursery. As a consequence, the facts do not show that the requirements of scale, use and intensity in this single family neighborhood dictate a change in the zoning. Therefore, I respectfully request that the Commission not ac- cept the Planning Board's recommendation with regard to the change in zoning that is not in conformity to the actual con- dition of the neighborhood. You know this is not Fair Isle that I'm talking about. This is behind that from Pelican were the 1600 is already there. Mayor Ferre: Thank you very much, Mrs. Gardner. Mr. Frank Gardner. Is Mr. Gardner here? All right, Mr. Robert Huyvaert? The Breuton family - I've got five Breutons here- are they here tonight, the Breutons? They'll be here. All right, I'll recog- nize them when they come. Joe Calay. Mr. Joe Calay: My name is Joseph T. Calay. I live at 2985 Aviation Avenue. Mr. Mayor, Commissioners, we have for a con- siderable length of time been exposed to the threat of Fair Island. As you are obviously aware the demonstration by Mr. Jakobi last week clearly indicates the impossibility of the scale of Fair Island as it is presently zoned. I'm speaking as an individual. My own personal feelings are that the orig- inal zoning and the zoning under which the man purchased the property were in error and I believe that he should be compen- sated for it. If the City of Miami were to acquire this prop- erty for a park I certainly hope that the access to this park exceeds the access that we have to the park at the end of Kirk Street wherein we have thirteen or fourteen acres of land and we have 12 or 14 parking spaces. I'm certain that the City of Miami is a wealthy establishment but I do not believe that we can continue to afford to provide that sort of luxury accomo- dations of one or two vehicles per acre of parking space for 2 SEP2%1974 our parks. I'm cerrtain that we have much better needs for our Money. The use of Fair Island for a park after it has been dredged and bulkheaded and one must clearly realize the hazard of having your children play along a bulkheaded seawall at which the adjoining water has been dredged to a depth that is three or four times the depth of their height constitutes a considerable hazard. In speaking of this hazard one must also recognize the fact that when the City of Miami built their park at the foot of Kirk Street the contour of the bottom and the material used for fill did not conform to what appears to be the requirement of the South Florida Building Code and the Dade County Public Works Manual. Now we have been inundated by com- ments, and I excuse the word inundated, I believe that Mr. Rice speaks truly and factually and certainly of his own personal convictions. He speaks from the point of a developer and I,as a professional engineer,do also for developers and I realize the importance of their economic position. Mr. Rice has appar- ently intended to impose upon the residents of Coconut Grove the merits of the developers rights. And a developer does have rights when he purchases land with existing zoning. I do not believe that if this land had been rezoned after the acquisit- ion that the man would be in such a justifiable position. He bought it with certain zoning and he's entitled to certain things. Mr. Dean through his own personal efforts and the efforts on the behalf of his neighbors clearly indicated to us the merits of R -4 versus R -3 zoning and this indication to me clearly demonstrates the error of the R -3 zoning. R -3 zoning which allows anyone to cover that much of the land only allows that person to create the new ghettos of Miami and you can say well how can a ghetto exist in Co ;onut Grove where a man pays 400 or 500 or 300 dollars a month rent. Yes, Mr. Mayor, I will get on very quickly. The best example of an island develop- ment in Dade County is the Sonesta Beach Hotel. It does not interrupt the profile of an island. An island is something sacred. Last week you all were beaten to death in any own per- sonal opinion by history - history of zoning and your appear- ance on the zoning appeals board. Let me remind you.also of the history of the sewers in Coconut Grove wherein the people in the single family residence areas said "Commissioners, we the people do not need the sewers, the sewers are needed in Coconut Grove for the developers." This Commission today is living with that decision. I hope my children do not live with your decision in the future. We talked about traffic last week. I assure you that if you monitor the traffic to- day after the impact of Blue Dash you will find the back up in traffic on Old Cutler Road and Ingraham Highway is greater than it has ever been and it demonstrates theimportant thing of Coconut Grove and that is people will live herOnder any circumstances because it is better than any other and people will take the route through Coconut Grove to get away from the sterilized sanitized Dixie Highway. I must say to you, Mr. Mayor, please, I know you will give this matter every con- sideration, Fair Island with four forty story buildings is wrong for the Grove and it is wrong for us to take the man's rights away. I wish you the wisdom of Solomon in your decis- ion. Thank you. Mayor Ferrel Thank you very much. Mr. Colgan Norman for Elizabeth Virrick. Now the statement was made into the record, I guess that might be sufficient, I don't see Mrs. Virrick here tonight. Dr. James Robertson, he's already spoken. Richard Kent is the next speaker. Richard Kent. Mrs. Sparks. Mrs. Rosalyn Sparks: Mr. Mayor, thank you, City Commissioners,.. 3 SEP 21974 Mayor Ferre: Excuse me, before you begin, you have four min - utee and I would be most grateful if the speakers would try to limit themselves to four minutes to see if we Can make some headway tonight otherwise were going to be back here for an- Other hearing and I'm sure you don't want that Mrs. Sparks: Thank you very much. My name is Rosalyn Sparks and I represent the Pact Committee of N.D.P. 4 Coconut Grove. We would like to say to you the Commissioners that we would hope that you would endorse this plan. We have gone through it and we think it is a good plan especially for us. We are in accordance with all of the objections to that others have made and we hope that yo96ill take those into consideration. But particularly we want you to look at page 20 of the yellow book which has to do with the restrictions of multiple units in the Black Grove area. We have seen what has happened to youngsters who grow up in that kind of a neighborhood, in those multiple concrete monsters; particularly, we're talking about the Barbarosa, the Vietnam and on Dixie Highway. If you check aut where the youngsters who have done these hideous crimes right here recently, you will find that they grew up either in the Barbarosa or Vietnam and certainly on the Dixie Highway and certainly we are all acquainted with the most recent one of the Miami Co -ed who was found out there floating in a canal. We on the committee come in contact with these youngsters and we are frightened and appalled at their philosophies of life and it simply boils down to existence. Their success in school is an assured failure before they even go because of the kinds of conditions in which they have to live in these multiple units. We do not want anymore multiple units :Ind please, we would ask you to accept all the restrictions o.. zoning which will keep it down to a minium. Thank you very much. Mayor Ferre: Thank you, Mrs. Sparks. Mrs. Reed. Mrs. Marilyn Reed: I'm Marilyn Reed for the Central Grove Association, I live at 3183 Mac Donald Street. I'll try to stay within four minutes. We were interrupted in the middle of our presentation the other night. Mayor Ferre: I apologize for that Mrs. Reed, go ahead. Mrs. Reed: I may need one extra minute over four, i'll try to keep it close. What I'm doing is really reading into the record what has already been presented to you to get it into the record. Our subject is historical sites and their preser- vation. We oppose the demolition of old historically desig- nated sites. We feel that a total disservice has been done to the Grove in destroying so many historical sites and houses for so- called progress. We see an example of this progress along Grand and Mary Street, we lost the old three story Coconut Grove Hotel a few years ago to a parking lot then we lost the house where William Jennings Bryant conducted services at the corner of Mary and Grand to another parking lot. There are many other examples. We ask that all sites designated by the historical society and Dade Heritage Trust be preserved now and not later. If you wait until later it will be too late. Our village and our children deserve this much consideration. The preservation of that which remains of South Florida's unique architectural heritage. This is something that should have been handled at the Planning level and unfortunately we could not get it handled there so I have to read it into the record at this time. I'm very sorry about that but it is nec- essary. The subject is pedestrian walkways otherwise known as sidewalks. The reference is Circulation Plan page 39, 40 and 4 SE'P21974 54. On page 39 of the Circulation Plan there is the statement Which reads: Many area of Coconut Grove do not want side - watks. At the bottom of the same page sidewalks are assigned to the varied areas that do not want them and cannot afford them. Among all the other reasons which have been used suc- cessfully in the past opposing sidewalks here to the Grove we're adding another reason -• an economic one. Property owners on Day, Mac Donald, Virginia and Bird cannot allford the pro- posed 25% of cost assessment which is the funding as set out in the planning statement for sidewalks which we don't want. We call your attention to the City Commission resolution 71 -96 reference Virginia Grove Improvement H -4358 of March 8, 1973. Just last year when property owners in the central Grove area came before the Commission with petitions opposing the Public Works Department plans for Florida, Rice, Virginia and Oak Streets this was resolved in a satisfactory manner. Virginia and Oak were deleted from the plan to put in sidewalks. The retired people simply cannot afford them or do they want them. At this point I would like to interject that Jack delivered to us a modification to this and it is suggested that Virginia be deleted. We still have the problem with the other streets. The public works people were directed last year to work with each property owner on Florida and Rice on an individual basis and they had the optional choice. The result of this is that Florida and Rice Streets today maintain the Grove look. Streets were not widened but drains were fixed, trees were left with paving going around them - in general a satisfactory arrange- ment. We call your attention to the fact that there are many retired resident property owners. Some are founding families of the Grove, on Virginia, Day, Mac Donald and Bird. These people are on a fixec income. We are all overloaded now with a 130% tax on our water bill, sewer assessments and liens proposed higher Metro tax assessments which in central area range from 50 to 75% increase, a proposed increase in City taxes and in addition to the high cost of food, the exorbit- antly high FPL rates. The idea of putting the sidewalks where they're not wanted and then taxing for it by more assessment is intolerable by the overburdened homeowner in this area. Mac Donald Street is on a high ridge along the portions of Day and Bird. We do not need go loose our good rain water to gutters which go along with the sidewalks. It goes down the storm gutters and hence to the bay. We need the water to flow on our lawns as it always has done. This not only helps reduce our water bill for lawn care but helps conserve water. Another element which has been projected as a shortage in approximately 2 years. Much of the property in these areas is built close to the street of the front portion of the lots. There is very little space for parking. Many have bus stops on them, telephone company boxes, Florida Power and Light poles guidelines, trash pick up stations. All of this leaves no room for unwanted sidewalks. To conclude we are asking by petition which I have here that the sidewalks proposed for Day, Bird, Mac Donald and Virginia be deleted from the Planning Study.;. The next subject is traffic, Mac Donald Street and Oak Street. Mac Donald has evolved from a pleasant quiet res- idential Street into a death trap for people and pets. Noise pollution and dirt from excessive traffic is so bad now that all residents find it necessary to keep closed all their doors and windows which face Mac Donald. Even then it is impossible to sit in one's home and talk in a normal tone of voice. The din from the constant traffic flow is so loud that even Tv's have to be turned up high to hear them. Traffic has been clocked by residents, there are twenty big vehicles per minute speeding down this street including huge semi and diesel del- - ivory trucks, motorcycles, fire trucks, police and screaming T 5 SEP2,1974 1 • Mayor Ferre: You're over five minutes now. Mra. Reed: I'm sorry, may I go ahead? IP sirens 24 hours a day. Nighttime brings no relief, it goes on coftinuouely. because we cannot tolerate anymore density or traffic we oppose anymore R-4 particularly at Dixie, Bird and Mac Donald. We ask that the highest zoning classification be set at R -3, There are many serious accidents on Mac Donald, too many ending up in the front yards with people maimed or killed. This is regularly happening at the intersection of Mac Donald,and Day, Mac Donald and Oak, It is requested that any traffic planned for congd areas incluiing the village center be so designed that it will not induce traffic to by- pass and avoid the downtown arteries thereby causing Oak, Mac- Donald, Virginia and Day to become a functional by -pass espec- ially from Dixie and the village center. We further ask that a caution light be placed at the corner of Day and Mac Donald and Oak and Mac Donald. The Planning Study has assigned such necessities to other areas but has ignored the needs of this area. This is the last sheet, I'll make it very quick. This is a support statement. Mayor Ferre: Go ahead. Mrs. Reed: Because we were cut off. This subject narrows the elimination of the gasoline station at 3086 Grand Avenue known as the Texaco Station; we absolutely oppose the plan to elimin- ate the gasoline station in the village core known as the Breuton and Porcher Texaco. We further oppose an unsightly municipal parking garage of three or four stories on this site. We ask that an alternative location be found and suggest the use of property which is presently being used for parking with ingress and egress existing. This area is behind the Blue Water Marine, the Old Post Office Building and the school. Mr. Breuton and Mr. Porcher alike, they will address them- selves to this. The entire central Grove area in addition to the community in general support them in their request to de- lete that portion of the Planning Study which would eliminate this business which services the Grove so well. This next thing is very short, it is a correction we're asking for. It is in the Plan, I've already talked to Jack. One of the women who lives on the street has asked me to read her statement if you can bear with me just a second. This is the shutting off of Virginia Street Mayor Ferre: Mrs. Reed, I might recommend to you because with all due respect... And I'll let you do it but you read so very fast that I doubt very much - you're terrific- but I don't know how many people are really following because you're read- ing it so fast. You know what I would recommend for you to do, why don't you just give me that and I will place it in the record and then you speak. Mrs. Reed: You have it already. This was just to read it into the record. I've got two short paragraphs, the shutting off of Virginia and at Coconut on the south side this is de- vised. we are not against closing Virginia to eliminate the traffic from Dixie. On the contrary, it is a good idea but we ask that it be shut off on the north side of Virginia in this way the residents of Coconut have access to Virginia and other points south. I have the statement from one of the residents she asked me to read it. "If you wish to preserve as muCh an possible, this is from Pat Earl, 2986 Coconut Avenue. 'Tf you wish to preserve as much as possible residential and 6 SEP21974 family dwellings in Coconut Grove you're defeating your pur- pose by closing off Virginia south of Coconut Avenue. if this is done Coconut Avenue will change from private resident- ial and safe to being a bpi - pass for U.S. 1 and existing high - rises which have one exit onto Coconut Avenue. These high - rises front on U.S. 1 for the most part with entrances on U.S 1 and Virginia. To close off Virginia south of Coconut Avenue is unnecessary, dangerous and prejudicial to the families and property owners who deserve to keep their privacy. The apart- ments are accessible from Virginia and U.S. 1. If Virginia is closed north of Coconut Avenue or not all, no rerouting of U.9.1 past our front doors, please. And I have one... Mayor Ferre: Mrs. Reed, I'm sorry. How long has it been now? Mr. Ralph Ongie: Seven and a half minutes. Mayor Ferre: I'll recognize you for another minute later on if We have time. Mrs. Reed: This is just this section and I'll be through. Mayor Ferre: Well, it's unfair to other people because we're really going to break up here in less than an hour. Mts. Reed: Ok, well you've got it in the book but I did want to get it in the record. Mayor Ferre: Well, if it is in the record and we have time I °11 recognize you for another minute. Mrs. Reed: Because we were eliminated at the Planning Study, we could have avoided some of this, you know at the Planning Advisory Board level. Some of it should have been Mayor Ferre: All right, thank you, Mrs. Reed. Mr. Filer. Please try to hold your statement to four minutes, Mr. Filer. Please, try to keep it to four minutes so you'll give other people a chance to talk and then if we have extra time I'll be happy to recognize Mr. Claire Filer: First this is a redletter week. It was September 28, 1970 that we filled this room the first time with the Fair tale variance request. Anyway, I thought it might be helpful in connection with the requests on the Glencoe and Fairview Subdivision changes and so forth if you had just a quick picture of the history. In the first place ... Excuse that little economical presentation, we've got a low budget down at Bayshore Homeowners. Anyway, you can see in the 1949 the blue and green area was changed from R -1 to R -3. That's at Glencoe and Reel Park and this is very important, it truly is. Really, we have an important point here. The blue and green area was changed from R -1 to R -3. In 1961 under your city wide zoning change the City changed Glencoe and Steele Park, that's the blue and green from R -3 up to R-4 and then they rolled up from R -1 to R -4 the red area right there. Now in....R -1 boomed to R -4. In 1968 your Planning Department recommended that all of that area be rolled back to R -3 but what the City Commission did in spite of the Planning Depart- ment's recommendation, the City Commission rolled back only the Glencoe area which is the blue and green colors. Now naturally some of the owners went to court. In fact, the owners of the 7 Glencoe lots in green there are the ones that went to court. They sued and successfully; and the ruling of the court was, if I could take 1 a second and read it; that 7 SEP 2 ` 1974 the City under ordinance No. 7688 rezoned only a small port- ion of the total area within which the City Commission had directed its Planning Board to study and make a report upon for possible change of zoning classifications. In other words, they ruled it as a discriminatory action, they, the City just can't take one little portion and in view of Planning Depart- ment's recommendations and pick that out and roll it back to A -3 leaving the others at R -4. Now the point is that if in this Planning Study of the Pair Isle area if you take any of these, you have a request from Mr. Jimmy Dean of the red area, if you picked his out and don't roll it to R -4 you're setting the stage for a similar court suit and you wasted all of this time from scratch as far as the study is concerned. Now it is true that he has had a problem, he's paid 13 years of R -4 taxes but he's been given 13 years of opportunity to do something with that land and plenty of developers would go for that deal anytime. He didn't do anything with it and that's the chance that he took. The threats to build something worse; if we don't like the R -3 or soforth is something that we've been faced many times again. We'd rather take the chance of lower density and then let him come in with what he needs to build and on top of it all he can come in after it is rolled back to R -3, request variances, we have always been open minded about it, we've sat down with several people to work some things out and that is the route it should take. Thank you. Mayor Ferre: Thank you, Mr. Filer. All right, Mr. Allen. Mr. Wayne Alien: My name is Wayne Allen, president of the Tigertail Association and I live at 2222 S.W. 27th Terrace - A. Here this afternoon speaking on the entire Coconut Grove Plan- ning Study as a member of the Citizen's Advisory Committee that helped develop part of it, to urge on behalf of the Tiger - tail Association that you adopt it in all respects with the recommendation of the Planning Advisory Board on Fair Isle, that it be zoned R -3. As to the R -4 area that Mr. Filer just spoke about, we don't see any reason why that area which is directly across the water from Fair Isle should have any higher zoning than Fair Isle itself. One of the things which we're extremely concerned aBoout and which the Planning Study does not address properly in our concern is the continued growth of highrises along South Bayshore Drive and in other areas in Coconut Grove. We feel that a four story height limit throughout Coconut Grove is absolutely necessary to properly protect this area. We would urge this one amendment to the Planning Study. The question has come up by property owners in the area that because the property next door has a higher zoning their's should remain at a higher zoning. Well, that is a very backward... looking attitude in our opinion and we have to look forward, we have to have a little progress here, we have to go back to recognizing the basic beauty and natural amenities in this area and try to preserve them. The only way we're going to do this is to go with these rollbacks which are recommended in this Planning Study. Now we have legal council here if that question comes up as to the legality of the action of this Commission if it should adopt the Planning Study we're fully prepared to address that point. Thank you very much. Mayor Ferre: Thank you very much, Mr. Allen. The next speaker is Bruce Hermelee of Milledge, Horn and Hermelee, representing Coconut Grove Playhouse. Mr. Bruce Hermelee: Right, my name is Bruce Hermelee, I'm a member of Milledge, Horn and Hermelee and we represent Grove 8 SEP 2 1974 Enterprises Corporation, the owner and operator of the Play- house here in the Grove. We want the Commission to know that we have spent many hours with the Planning Department and that we are very much in favor of the Plan for the Grove. Obviously the Playhouse is a unique parcel of land. There are a few things which affect us in a very direct and persorf' way and we feel and hope that these will be covered in the special com- munity commercial district ordinance. Now that ordinance has not been finalized. We are still having discussions, Mr. Acton at the last meeting asked that it be deferred and we urge again that it be deferred because there are still some questions un- answered with respect to our situation. For example, on page 23 of the Plan there is a floor area ratio limit of 1.75 which Mr. Acton read into the Plan as an amendment at the last meet- ing. For the Playhouse property itself we have been working on a floor area ratio that may come out higher because of special bonuses for the operation of the theater on the property and we hope that when the ordinance does come before you that you will not think of this 1.75 figure as an absolute restrict- ion with respect to the Playhouse property which is a special piece of property. Also would like to talk about the two pos- sible sites for parking garages on page 24 of the Plan. We are very much in favor of the central location which would be be- tween Fuller and Commodore Plaza obviously because that is much closer to the Playhouse than the one and perhaps the second one proposed near Mary and Grand. There's been a lot of dis- cussion about the family who presently operate, the Texaco Station on that property. We want the Commission to know that we would do our best in any capariti t}'at we could to help that family remain there. This parking, if it comes about as it is planned is going to be a very large one, a three story one with four units of parking and there certainly should be room in that facility for a franchise for a service station set up. Mayor Ferre: All right, thank you very much. At this time, in keeping with the tradition of the City of Miami Commission has always maintained that we recognize the presence of can- didates. I would like to recognize the presence of Judge Carlos Fernandez who is running for the County Commission for this district. Mr. Fernandez. Are there any other candidaten that we inadvertently missed? Now, the next speaker is Mr. J.D. Sibert. Mr. Sibert, sir. Mr. J.D. Sibert: I'm back again. Well, I've been around these parts quite a long time. I came to Miami in 1907 and we've owned property here and it has been in our name since 1910 and the piece of property I'm involved in here now I bought back when I was a young lawyer just starting practice. I have my doctor's degree way back there with the University of Florida and I would be practicing now except for permanent injury but now this property has been very nicely. described and if I can have just a minute to get that map again which the man wanted to throw in this trash,can. Right here is the little contro- versial spot in the green he spoke about just before me. It is controversial, those two lots right there, I've had them since about '29 and I've paid taxes on them all this time. When I bought it for a home and it was zoned for a residence and I enjoyed looking forward to the time when I could get enough money to buy me a nice pretty home and the time never came so now they come along, some fellows ;come along and say we're going to rezone that, were going to put that in apart- ments. I said no, I don't want that in apartments, I bought that for a home so they come along and they rezone it R -4. Well, I had to go along wtih it. Now, they come along and 9 SEP 2 31974 they change it beck to R -3 and then they come along R -4 and then they come over here when they change this Fair tale and somebody gets the big idea - we're just going to change every- thing when we change it- we're changing,Fair Isle and then we find that Glencoe has been reduced agait. And it is always those three little lots right in there Ind two of those lots belong to me and X caved up on that ...t11 my life thinking someday I'm going to have a pretty little home there. Well.. There is no 4000 We've been through court on it once and the Circuit Court of Dade County told us, the City, they had to return that to the R -4. Now, then within three years time when the squabble comes tip over Fair Island again they lower it again to R -3. I believe that's in conflict with the court decision. I don't believe it will hold water, I don't think we should be forced to go back to court on it. We spent a whole day, you,had your City lawyers, you had all your wit- nesses, you had your Department of Transportation and all the Planning and everything else there and we whipped them. We whipped them soundly, they didn't dare appeal that case. They were afraid to appeal that that other people might get the same idea that when the County... to lower your zoning they might reverse the, so they kept it pretty quiet. I don't think it is fair at all, I don't think those two little Lots there out of that whole place there, on that side is a nine story building, a nine story apartment house on the . next lot, two lots over three hundred apartments, over 21 apartments, and right there where I am, I've got to go back to what, R -3. I don't think it is right gentlemen. I belong to the Bay Heights Association, the Heritage; where did Dolly go; ...made a beautiful little speech and the Glencoe Assoc- iation. And I've talked to them, has anybody heard about this change? Haven't heard about it and yet in this book here it says they've all apparently agreed to it. Another thing that we've got to watch in Bay Heights, you kn,w where that is, they're coming down there through our neig.borhood with a bicycle trail they're going to come down Tiger and they're going to run right through Bay Heights, right down through our residential section. The most dangerous thing you can have is bicycles riding up and down through a neighborhood like that at night. There's no way in the world you're going to protect yourself from crime. Automobiles you can follow but a bicycle is quiet. Let me finish up one little thing. Did you know in Bay Heights that we had a kidnapping there? Did you know one of the biggest jewelers in Miami his boy was kidnapped right there in Bay Heights and he sold out and moved out? We don't want anymore losses like that. We don't want to have bicycles like that. Put those trails out on South Miami Avenue. Mayor Ferre: All right, sir. Thank you. Now, John Riordan, the next speaker is Lorraine Prince and the last speaker, I don't have anybody else. Mr. John Riordan, 5432 S.W. 62nd Avenue: I own property in the Grove and I'm a practicing landscape architect. I've read the study, I think it is great and it should be adopted. I hate what's happened to the Grove in the past, the changes that have been made. I think the time to act is now while there is anything left. I also think the precedent of rolling back the Fair Isle zoning is important. The $9,000,000 value of that land was created by zoning and the compromise that has been offered of making it a park is to me just adding in- sult to injury. The citizens are paying fot it both ways. I don't think the City needs another park in that area. I think that kind of money can be spent better somewhere else. SEP 231974 Mayor Ferret Thank you Lorraine Prince. Mrs. Lorraine Prince: I'm Lorraine Prince, a resident of Coconut Grove for the past 38 years and past president of the Chamber and 2'm here as a representative of the Coconut Grove Chamber of Commerce. As some of you know I've been working hard for a long long time toward the beautification of the Coconut Grove Business Area. IA fact, it is well over a year and a half and I think it is probably two years or bet- ter and I would like to say that I appreciate the many hours the Planning Department has given me and has put in working on the plan. Three plans were prepared with the sanction and approval of the City Manager's Office going back as far as the time Mr. Reese served as City Manager. But each plan was not carried through to completion for one reason or another such as new traffic patterns or lack of funds. However, the last plan which is outlined in the Study for Coconut Grove on pages 40-44 was unanimously approved by all civic groups and other interested persons and we felt we were close to imple- mentation of the project only to have it delayed so that the Planning Study could be agreed upon in its entirety. It now appears that everyone seems to be in accord on a beautification plan of Coconut Grove as shown in the Planning Study. I feel that we can now expect immediate attention and the Commission's full cooperation along with the City Manager's assistance that it will be carried out. Also, I would like to ask and respect- fully request the City Manager be authorized to begin proced- ings to hire a landscape architect and designate the appro- priate streets or areas to be beautified and provide for the new traffic circulatory system that is combined with the plan. 2 would like to ask the City Commission to specifically desig- nate a sum of money to be used for this project if you are able to do so today so we can feel that the implementation of this long - awaited for and needed project will become a reality. Thank you very much. Mayor Perre: Thank you Mrs. Prince. Do we have any members of the Breuton family here now? Yes, all right;. Now, as I have these sheets here, these are five pages of speakers that we've had. There are no further speakers that I have on this list. I just want to make that clear at this point. All right, Mr. Breuton. Mr. Breuton: Thank you, Mr. Mayor fellow Commissioners, I'm sorry I'm late, I apologize and I would just like to thank the people that have spoke and I represent the Breutop and Porcher Texaco Service Station. I've heard it in reference several times as such as a gas station. We are not a gas station, we are a service station. I would just like that to go into the record. Also, I appreciate the many interested parties to state that they would love to see the service station stay there and believe you, I don't think anyone would like to see it stay as much as we do. We feel that we've been responsive to the citizens of this community by serving them and we would like to continue doing so. Also, I would not like to see a parking garage go above that service station. That is all I have to say, thank you. Mayor Ferre: All right, now questions from the Commission, comments from the Commission. All right, Mr. Plummer, Mr. Plummer: One of the points that let's say bothers me, Mr. Acton, to you sir, or to Mr. Luft, you know I'm a firm believer that certain people in the same way that these people have rights to want certain amenities for the Grove, that people SEP21974 Mr. Plummer: Yes. have rights who have rights of ownership. I speak now direct- ly to the area as historical sites and we already have one par- titular situation in reference to a historical site before this CoMMiesidn. I guess really my question is how much latitude by this declaring a piece of property a historical site or how much restriction do we place on that site or is it the in- tention of the department that if we're going to place restrict- ions that we buy the property. I just don't understand that if I lived in a home and I if I wanted to tear it down and build a new one, if I owned the property I personally think I should have this right. It is my home, My property. Now do you understand the problems that are in my mind? Because I understand you've designated some 27 sites. Mr. Acton: No, just in principle but to answer your question directly, if you recall the Commission did request the admin- istration to go ahead with whatever was necessary in terms of historical preservation grants for tiose 6 buildings that were presented to the Commission. Mr. Acton: And to take whatever steps necessary. In this report there is a recommendation for the development of his- torical ordinance that will setforth the guidelines and frame- work for historic preservation not only in Coconut Grove but elsewhere in the City of Miami. In that ordinance it is ex- pected that we will answer your questions directly whereas now we cannot. Mr. Plummer: Ok. In other words, there are no designated sites right now. Mr. Acton: No, sir. There are no designated sites outside of those that are identified in principle nor will there be desig- nated sites until that time that the Commission takes official action on designating sites for historic preservation. Mr. Plummer: Let's speak to specifics. The bank has a piece of property which they want to turn into a parking lot. They own the property. Mayor Ferre: They want to turn it into what? Mr. Plummer: A parking lot. I understand it is presently zoned properly for a parking lot. They want to demolish the building which in principle has been declared a historical site. You're shaking your head no, have I got'incorrect in- formation? Mr. Acton: Not to my knowledge, I don't believe that partic- ular building was declared a historic building. Mr. Plummer: All right, then does it relate itself to the en- vironmental preservation district? Mr. Acton: Yes, sir. Moreso. Mt. Plummer: All right. Now, then I'll come at it in a dif- ferent way. If the environmental preservation district places restrictions on a man's private home what is your advocation of your department to purchase it? You know, I'm just getting back to the point: If 1 owned a home and I wanted to tear it down and build a new home, the way I understand it I couldn't do it. 12 SEP 231974 Mr, Acton: Where is nothing in the City of Miami ordinances now that prohibits you from doing that outside of the fast that in Coconut Grove there are certain restrictions in terms of issuance a - building permits in connection with this study. Mr, Plummer: George, you don't follow me. Forget about the restrictions, forget about everything. I own a home in Coco- nut Grove right now. If my area down there in the no called golden ghetto was changed and it suddenly overnight became an environmental preservation district are you telling me that if I wsnted to tomorrow I couldn't tear down my hole? Mr. Acton: That is correct if it is in the Coconut Grove Study area. Mr. Plummer: That's ludicrous! And you're not going to buy my home but you're going to tell me what I can do with it. Is that right? Mr. Acton: No, sir. The wording of the Commission resolut- ion was that the Building Department shall take no action on the issuance of building permits if it is not in accord with the Coconut Grove Master Plan. Mr. Plummer: George, you're not even in the same ball park. George, I own a home on Noc -a -tee Street and Halisee. Tom- orrow morning by action of this Commission that area is desig- nated as an environmental preservation district. Mayor Ferre: I so move. Mr. Plummer: Are you telling me the time that becomes effect- ive that I cannot do anything, and my area hasn't been desig- nated. Mr. Acton: That is correct. If in fact it is designated as an environmental preservation district you could take no act- ion on the development or redevelopment of that site until such time as it has gone through the process as outlined in the environmental preservation ordinance which has been before this Commission. Mayor Perre: Jack, do you want to add something to that? Mr. Plummer: Are you in the ball park? Mr. Jack Luft: When we speak of preservation of historic structures the problem that you posed is exactly the problem that we face - what do we do when someone wants to tear down or move or alter a historic structure or site. Quite frankly, you cannot permanently restrict a man from tearing the struct- ure down not unless you buy it. Mr. Plummer: That's right. Mr. Luft: The point of the historic preservation ordinance as it is conceived and this ordinance, I should point out runs directly parallel to that that is in affect in Dade County. Mr, Plummer: That don't make it right. Mr. Luft: Ok, but this is a generally accepted practice for ordinances of this type. What it means is that so that you cannot go out tomorrow and tear your structure down the ord- inance would provide tor a time period commensurate with the 13 SEP 231974 Mr. Plummer: Fine, I'll with 30 or 60 or 90 days ing taxes, what I can do Rev. Gibson: be asking us Mr. Plummer; it? value of the structure to allow either the City or private organizations to pursue a course of actions that may lead to acquisition, it may lead to, maybe the owner is simply not aware of the historic value of the structure. It would simply provide a process where people who are interested in that build- ing could intervein for a period of maybe 60 days or 90 days and work out a solution if possible. It it can't be done it can't be done and we lose another historic structure. But the problem now as you can appreciate is that some of these things happen overnight or the owner is not willing to cooperate and give anybody a chance to do anything. This just simply gives us a short period to try to do this. Mr. Plummer: All right. The bank came here the other night. I don't know if you were here or not. They offered to give the house to anyone, move it but they want to utilize their property. Now this is the point I'm trying to make. If I am a property owner of a single family residence and I want to tear that thing down and build something half the size or I want to put a pool in there I don't see how this Commission or anybody else can tell me what my rights are in my own castle. Mr. Luft: That's right, you cannot say that that building has to stay there forever but you can say in the interest of the public that we are going to intervein for a period of time as specified in the historic preservation ordinance. We are going to give the interested parties, the City of Dade Heritage Trust or South Florida Historical Association a chance to try to work out a solution. Mr. Plummer: So you're spaking about a 30 day. Mr. Luft; It depends. Sometimes if thi' structure is of national historic importance it could be 120 days, it could be 180 days, whatever you feel is an adequate period to try to work out a solution. Too often these things just go by the boards immediately. go along with that. I'll go along but don't tell me, a man who is pay - with my house. Mr. Luft: That is quite true. What George was referring to was somewhat the same process for environmental preservation. Rev. Gibson; How much time are you going to ask for? You know just to tell a man: Well you know man, we're thinking about it, isn't enough. Mr. Luft: What is done is the structures are rated after a historic survey and documentat ion according to say four categories of importance of extreme value or just simply as a value as a part of a scene. But according to this value attached after this historic survey to this structure it is then listed on the register of historic sites as being a one star or a four star structure and whatever its rating means that then designates what the time period is so that the owner knows that if he has a very important structure he has to wait 120 days; if he has a marginally important one he has to wait 30. But that is on the record and he knows that. I understand that but whatever you're going to to do I want to hear some days. You know? Well that's going to be determined by us, isn't SEP 2 `ii 1974 Mr. Tuft: For what? R+ V. Gibson: Well, you know you have something in your mind, Let's hear it. Just es well let it all hang out now. Rev. Gibson: Number of clays, give the man who is under con- struction and he says "look, I want to do this to the property" and you say this is an important structure. Now you say well I need... Mr. Luft: Mrs. Frances Mac Intyre who has written ordinances of this type and who has worked with the Planning Department in this regard has experience in these time periods and their application. Perhaps she could very briefly answer it. Mayor Ferre: Mrs. Mac Intyre, do you want to come up and speak to us briefly? Mrs. Mac Intyre: First of all this process, and I have not seen the ordinance that they're developing here but based on the Coral Gables ordinance which I worked on quite a bit, first of all this process of declaring a property a historic site is done through the Zoning Department in that you have aboard who goes through and evaluates these properties and they set certain ratings on them - just for simplicity we'll say four, A, B, C, D. They determine that category A is of national significance and they determine that six months is a reasonable period of time for the negotiations if it becomes necessary. But first of all the property is so designated the homeowner or the property owner if it is commercial has the opportunity to come before the City Commission and either accept or decline a historic designation. The ultimate decis- ion is made by the City Commission because it becomes a zoning decision and then the property if it is an R -1 property for example would become R -1H, R -1 Historic and in addition to its R -1 zoning regulations it has its historic regulations which says that you cannot destroy, alter; you know it is quite a lengthy thing; without the approval of the Historic Review Board. It provides for several review processes hope- fully you have a review process before anybody gets in deep so that you can solve some of these problems while they're easy to solve. And there is no reason that a great number of these problems can't be solved to the benefit of everybody. Now the ordinance will provide allAhe protection in the world for the property owner. You're quite r :.ght, Mr. Plummer, you can't dictate to a person just because he happens to have a house that the rest of the City thinks is historic that he can't do anything that he wants with it. But, because it does have historic value to the community the community does have some interest in it and should have the opportunity to find alternate solutions. If you want to tear your house down and I ask you to give me 30 days to find a place to move it. That's going to save you a lot of money because you don't have to tear it down but I've got to have that 30 days to find the money to move it and the place to move it to and that's all that I'm asking and that's the principle of this ordinance.to make possible to find solutions. Mr. Plummer: No problem. Now, I've got another question. I called Mr. Acton about four days ago so that it wouldn't hit him cold - this is not for you, I'm satisfied there - so that this question wouldn't hit him between the eyes and he could give some thought to it. I asked of Mr. Acton two questions and 1 have not yet heard the answers, we'll hear them together. Question A (1) If this City Commission were SEP 21i 1974 _k� • to implement every phase as Lorraine Prince spoke, if we were to implement every phase and suggestion in this book how much would it cost the City? (2) If we rolled back every parcel of zoning that is suggested in this book how much money would we be rolling back (b) what amount of assessment would be taken off of the rolls? George, did I give you enough ate? Mayor Ferre: You'd better repeat tho:3e questions, Mr. Acton as you answer them. Mr. Acton: Yes, air. The first question pertained to the impelementation of all recommendations contained in the Coconut Grove Study as they relate to those improvements which the City of Miami can accomplish. Ok? Mr. Plummer: Well, that wasn't the entire picture. The entire picture was what would be the total cost of implement- ing everything in this book? I don't want Lorraine Prince to come back here two years from today and be in the rightful position of saying "Hey, two years ago you approved a book that said we were going to do such and such and here it is two years later and you didn't do it ". Now what is the total implementation cost of everything that you recommend in this book? Mr. Acton: Commissioner Plummer, we only addressed ourselves to municipal or City of Miami costs. We did not include those items which would be provided by Dade County. That is my only point. Mr. Plummer: The taxpayers of Dade County are the taxpayers in Dade County also so I think we should know. What:is your first figure, let's go that route. Mr. Acton: Ok, we broke it down, Commissioner Plummer and you have to realize, you said these are strictly ball park figures. Mr. Plummer: I understand. Mayor Ferre: I wish you wouldn't use that terminology. It is a rather sensitive area around here. Mr. Acton: We came up with a total cost of two million dollars to implement all of the recommendations contained in the report. Mr. Plummer: Approximately two million dollars from municipal City of Miami funds. Mr. Acton: That is correct. Mr. Plummer: Do you have any idea what the total project would cost, I'm speaking of the parking garage right down to one - :.paying the streets Mr. Acton: No, sir, I didn't... Mr. Plummer: You see, George, I don't, %o placed in the position George, that somebody is going to rightfully come back to me and say "You watered that document down so bad that it didn't do any good ". Mr. Acton: I understand but I say we didn't take into account items like the erection of a parking garage by the off - street parking authority. 16 SEP 23 1974 Mr. Piui r: Well they pay debt service. Ok, something simples like down in my area they're going to close off two intersections proposed in this thing. Mr. Acton: Those are roadway improvements and we have an estimate excluding storm sewers for all roadway improvements of almost a million dollars, $950,000, all roadway irnprove- meets. Mr. Plummer: Ok, 1 didn't get the answer I wanted, give me question two. Mayor Ferre: No, wait a minute. I want to make a comment now at this point and ask the forgiveness of Dr. Henry Fields and other eminent historians, sociologists and anthropologists that we may have in our midst but I want to make this point. It seems to me that in this modern world of alienation that we have and our problems, you know we get divisions when we make promises that we can't keep; when we make, I think most revolutions that are really revolutions are caused by rising expectations of things that just can't happen and then I think people when they expect that something is going to be fulfilled and it isn't fulfilled then I think they have cause, just cause for indignation and for frustrations. They say "Well, you said you were going to do this and you didn't do it ". You see, I think what Commissioner Plummer is pointing out to us and I think this is something that we really should pay very close attention to is that we in the City of Miami, Mr. Andrews, and I'm saying this not specifically to you but to all of us because we all indulge in this little game. We have a tend- ency to look at what we want, what Utopia is and then we try to implement things and we've got to be very careful. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try but let me give you a specific case which has us all worried. We want, there has been a tremendous harm done to our community by bulldozing down beautiful trees on properties - it is criminal really. Now hear me through. We all want to stop that and we have implemented now legislation that I hope will start to control this. The question is how much is it going to cost and you see we're talking today about a budget and we're cutting out 6 men on the Police Force and don't kid yourself when a budget like the City of Miami's budget where it is 90% salaries; listen to this: our budget - your budget, you're the tax payers - 90% of your money and the monies that we spend in this City go to salaries. Salaries mean people. People mean services. You want to cut down your taxes - you've got to cut down your services. Don't kid yourself. Now, we're talk- ing about implementing things like we want a tree ordinance. Well ok, that's fine. We all want that - I want that. I just want you to understand and I'm just going to make a predict- ion that if we do the job that we need to do it will cost well in access of $100,000 a year, in my personal opinion. Now we have to weigh whether we want to pay the taxes or what services we're going to cut out for that. So in a grander scale when you're talking about some of these things here we have to keep in mind what the total impact and what the total cost is and when we implement these things we have to say, "This will cost $23,000,000 over a ten year period" because for us not to do that we're really getting ourselves into a very very sensitive and difficult, continuingly increasingly difficult position. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I would like to go just a step fur- ther so that the record will be clear. You know we have allow- ed, that's not really a right word but I'll have to use it for lack of something else. We have allowed by presentation from 7 SEP2 1914 • Mr. Andrews: I don't think you could do that. merchants of Coconut Grove in the business district, they cane in and asked this Commission for specialty things and in the past they've already always been willing to say 'Pe want it, we're willing to pay for it" now is this the same pre veiling thing George, that you have in mind for all of the im- provements of the central business district? That all improve - eents will be paid for by the abutting property owners? Mr. Acton: Twenty - five percent of the abutting improvements in the roadway would be assessed to the property owner. Mr. Plummer: George, that relates to sidewalks, gutters, sewers and... Well, but are you going to apply that same ordinance to all improvements? Mr. Plummer: Well, that's what I'm getting at. You remember what I'm getting at is this: They came before this Commission and said "Please allow us the right to put the gas lights ". Ok? When they did they were willing and they came forth and they said, "OK, we want the gas lights and we'll pay for them and we'll pay for the maintenance, the upkeep and the actual gas to burn them." Now, is the business district willing to say that for any and all improvements in the business district now? Mr. Andrews: That's something you would have to ask them directly. Mr. Plummer: Well, I think it is a very important thing. Mr. Acton: I think you could have Mrs. Prince speak to that because she has worked with it. Mr. Plummer: Well, I think it is very important you know, a man who is willing to put his money where his mouth is, I want to listen to. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (INAUDIBLE) I have a question of Plummer. How long has Coconut Grove been... Mayor Ferre: Wait a minute, your name for the record. Mrs. Lester Pancoast: How long has Coconut Grove been in existence? And what is the tax take from Coconut Grove per year? And isn't it time that we began to put priorities first? We are trying to avoid happening in Coconut Grove what has happened in downtown Miami. We're trying to keep it from hap- pening. We're asking for some of our tax moneys back which we've been paying for for I don't know how many hundreds of years perhaps and we're willing to match funds to some extent. I don't know how much but we've been matching funds a lot longer than any other area in Miami. Haven't we? We've been paying for services that other areas haven't been paying for and we just want some of it back. That's all were asking. Mr. Plummer: What services, now just address yourself, what services... Mrs. Pancoast: The implementation of this plan. Mr. Plummer: What services have been provided to other resi- dents that you haven't got? 18 SEP 231974 Mr. Andrews: I was going to say 35%. Mr. Plummer: Great. Mayor Ferre: She didn'•: say that Mrs.. Pancoast: I didn't say that. I'm just saying that Coconut Grove has been paying for the structure and the run- ning of the City of Miami a lot longer than a lot of other districts have and we're trying to keep it a good viable active business and coitsslrcial and residential area. MY. Plummer: And I whole- heartedly agree. The only thing that I'm saying is these improvements and this way that we wish to keep Coconut Grove is going to cost money. Mrs. Pancoast: All 1 asked you in return was: What is the tax take from Coconut Grove, this district we're talking about per year? That's all I'm asking you. Mayor Ferre: You know that's a very good point and I think that we really should get some answers on that just so that the community would know. You know that we have those figures for downtown for example. I think it would be a good idea, Mr. Andrews, and Mrs. Pancoast, I might point out... I just wanted to say this and I'm not, we're not arguing, I agree with the statement you made, I just want for the record so we don't get one sided or unfair about it, the City of Miami has been rendering a service to all of its citizens including those in Coconut Grove also for many years, Fire, protection, police, and you may not agree that it is good enough, that's another subject. But the point is that it has been rendered and the monies have been expended for that and as a matter of fact, right now, for every dollar of expenditure that we make directly because through the Federal Government we pay for everything. Were the people, we're the taxpayers. But directly from your property taxes the services rendered to you only cover 1/3... Mayor Ferre: Yes, a little bit over 1/3 of the services rendered to you; are paid for by local tax dollars. They come from ad valorem sources. Now true the utility tax and the other taxes indirectly come from all of us, the federal subsidies that we get, the state subsidies, we pay for those taxes too so I'm not arguing that point. I think it is import- ant that we get Dome of these figures and maybe compile them for the past 10 years. Me. Susan Billick: My name is Susan Billick, I'm a member of the Chamber and the Civic Club and I wanted to speak on the point of the shop keepers of which I am one in Coconut Grove and also a homeowner. The point is that members of the Cham- ber of Commerce have stood before you and discussed this. We are completely in accordance with the Master Plan. Thereby you know that we will back anything that the Master Plan has to do with so far as downtown Coconut Grove, the shops and such. You asked us about the gaslights; we have been provid- ing any kind of sustance for paints, and so forth and so on. Whenever they are broken we replace them. It would all be done, of course, on an individual level. Each shop keeper that is in the Chamber of Commerce is in favor of improving the Grove, anything that has to do wti h in front of or behind or anything we are behind it 100%. Ok? Mayor Ferre: Mr. Andrews, you wanted to say something? 19 SEP 231974 Mr. Andrews: t wanted to bring out the illustration that we finally ended up with and that was that about 35% of each dollar spent in the Grove comes from tax sources. so 35 cents out of etch dollar would be from a tax source for all services and that once again 1 want to point out that that 35 cents does not pay for only police and fire services. Everything else comes from some other source. Mr. Plummer: I have one final point and then I'll be quiet. Just let me go on the record again understanding properly that if we pass the plan here this evening in principle tonight thet each area of zoning will be handled on an individual basis before the Zoning Board and then before this Commission. Do 1 understand that correct? I'm ready to vote. Mrs. Gordon: I want to ask a question, please. We heard mention of the fact that there should be a board to desig- nate and to act upon historical sites that are going to be delineated in the Grove and I ask the question simply because in the report there is a board that is to be designated for environmental preservation. Could this be one in the same, Mr. Acton? Mr. Acton: I don't believe so, Commissioner Gordon, unless we change the composition of the proposed Environmental Pres- ervation District Board because in the case of historic pres- ervation district, obviously you need knowledgeable individuals pertaining to historic preservation. Mrs. Gordon: Fine, that means we have to set up some other mechanism for the control and delineation of this historical portion. That's all I wanted to know. Are you ready for some motions, Mr. Mayor? Mayor Ferre: Yes. I'm ready for some motions now. Mrs. Gordon: This is a study in rpinciple and it is going to be subject to public hearings on any zoning changes. What you have here is a resolution from the Planning Board, item #3(a) Which in their opinion designates that they believe that the first item should be R -3 instead of originally you had desig- nated R -4. Mr. Acton, you gave us a group of modifications. We do assume that these are all the modifications that you would include. Is t',a in total or are there others that you would want included? Mr. Acton: That is wIn t we have at this time, Commissioner Gordon. Those are the modifications. Mrs. Gordon: That doesn't mean that there couldn't be some additional modifications at some future time, Right? Mr. Acton: That's right, these would come about at the time that the particular recommendation is being heard before either the Planning Advisory Board or the City Commission. In other words the application of the recommendation in ordinance form. Mrs. Gordon: Ok, Then on Item 3 (b) it is delineated here on our agenda as ordinance amending. Has this been heard by the Planning Board and a, or does this have to go back before the Planning Board? It says ordinance amending that means that we're taking action on it. Has this been to the Planning Board? It is the portion referring to the C -2A district. Has that already been heard by the Planning Board? 20 SEP 231974 Mr, Acton: Yea, it has, Commissioner Gordon.... Mrs. Gordon: Then they can take our first reading on that Mr. Acton: Well you have the option of either doing that or else waiting until we come back with the recommended changes in the C -2A as outlined in the modification that we present- ed to you in those 13 or 14 items. It was our recommendation to the Commission that they defer action on the C -2A until such time as we came back with the modifications to the C -2A district itself. Mrs. Gordon: What you're saying then is you'd rather we did not take action on 3 (b) , (c) and (d) ? Mr. Acton: Yes, at this time, yes. Mrs. Gordon: adopt 3 (a) . Mr. Acton: That is correct, yes. Mr. Plummer: Mayor Ferre: Mrs. Gordon: Mayor Ferre: Mrs. Gordon: fications as Then what you're really saying is for us to 3 (a) does direct itself directly to Fair That's right. No. Sure it does. Isle. It directs itself to this report with the modi- represented by the Planning Board. Mayor Ferre: A resolution of the Commission of the City of Miami, Florida adopting a Planning Study for Coconut Grove as presented by the City of Miami Planning Department with the modification that the zoning for Fair Isle be changed from R -5 to R -3. In other words what that says is that it is this report as presented with the exception that this report reco- mmends R -4 in Fair Isle No. R -4 and that's where the exception is that this motion says R -3, the one exception to this report. Mrs. Gordon: Not really because there's a group of other changes that we have handed to us today which we were to in- clude into this also and so actually the resolution would be: A resolution of the City of Miami adopting a Planning Study for Coconut Grove as presented by the City of Miami Planning Department. Because you have already included all the modifi- cations in this report. Mayor Ferre: And you don't want to say as modified? Mrs. Gordon: Well, it is already in there, with modifications period because we have a whole list of modifications. !Mayor Ferre: Well then add those two words, as modified. Mrs, Gordon: With modifications as delineated by the Plan - ning Department. Mayor Ferre: With modifications, I accept that. Mrs. Gordon: If were going to play on words we're going to use the modifications we have on this list. 21 S E P 21974 Mayor Ferre: Ail right, Rose. It means the smile thing, doesn't it Does it Mean the same thing? It doesn't/ Would you tell Me the difference between as Modified and with modi- fication*? Mrs. Gordon: You have the motion did you have a second? Mayor Ferre: Is there a difference between as modified legally and with modifications? Seriously? What is the difference? Mrs. Gordon: With modifications as recommended by the Planning Department is the way the motion is recited. Mr Andrews: I would say with modifications would be more broad. As modified mans something specific that has already been modified. Mayor Ferre: That doesn't really make that much difference, does it? With modifications presented with this report. alright. We have a motion and a second. Mr. Allen: (INAUDIBLE) Mrs. Gordon: Well I have a comment from the Planning Depart- ment. Mr. Acton, will you speak to that. Mr. Acton: Yes, we had; before you you should have the modi- fications as recommended to you by the Planning Department and what Mr. Allen just stated is correct. We had recommended that for instance in the case of Fair Isle we had called for modi- fication of R -4 changed to R -3 with Planned Area Development Opportunities to permit a F.A.R. of 1.0, a height of up to 90 feet or eight stories and a density limit not to;exceed 500 units based on the traffic impact on Bayshore and the surround- ing community. Mrs. Gordon: Wait a minute. Mist let me clear this up, will you? Let's know what we're doing. 1 mean we are late, we're keeping the Planning agenda from coming on at 7:00 but let's get this thing done properly. Mr. Acton, the intent of the motion is to accept the recommendation of the Planning Board and your recommendation for modification on; the other items. I see. In that case we would just delete our recommendation as it pertains to Fair Isle. You would apply an R -3 to Fair Isle instead of .... Mayor Ferre: Then we go back to what I started with. May I read it? A revolution of the City of Miami, Florida adopting a Planning Study for Coconut Grove as presented by the City of Miami Planning Department and as modified with the further modi- fication that the zoning for Fair Isle be changed from R- 5(mul- tiple) to R -3. Is tilt correct, Mr. Acton? Mr. Acton: Yes. Mayor Ferre: Does that cover it, Mr. Acton? Mr. Acton: Yee, sir. Mayor Ferre: Does anybody have any objections to that wording? Will the maker of the motion accept that recommendation? Mrs. Gordon: It was already accepted, Mr. Mayor. Mayor Ferre: Do you accept it, Mrs. Gordon? Mrs. Gordon: Yes, your honor. 22 SEP 231974 Mayor Jerre: Do you accept it, your honor? Do you have further remark*, Mrs, Gordon? Mrs. Gordon: No, your honor. Mayor Ferre: if not, will you please call the ro11. The following resolution was introduced by Mrs. Gordon Who moved its adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 74 -1043 A RESOLUTION OF THE COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF MIAMI, FLORIDA ADOPTING " A PLANNING STUDY FOR COCONUT GROVE" AS PRESENTED BY THE CITY OF MIAMI PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND AS MODIFIED WITH THE MODIFICATION THAT THE ZONING FOR FAIR ISLE BE CHANGED FROM R -5 (HIGH DENSITY MULTIPLE) TO R -3 (LOW DENSITY MULTIPLE) . (Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file in the City Clerk's Office.) Upon being seconded by Mr. Plummer the resolution was passed and adopted by the following vote - AYES: Rev. Gibson, Mrs. Gordon, Mr. Plummer, Mr. Reboso and Mayor Ferre. NOES: None. Mrs. Gordon: Do we have to defer these other items because they're on the agenda and we have to do something? So I'll move that items 3 (b) , (c) , (c'.) r deferred on the recommenda- tion of the Planning Department. Thereupon a motion to defer items 3 (b), (c), and (d) was introduced by Mrs. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Plummer and passed and adopted by the following vote- AYES: Mrs. Gordon, Mr. Plum - mer, Mr. Reboso, Rev. Gibson and Mayor Ferre. NOES: None. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION, THE SPECIAL MEETING WAS ADJOURNED AT 7:30 P.M. ATTEST: H.D. SOUTHERN CITY CLERK RALPH G. ONGIE ASSISTANT CITY CLERK MAURICE A. FERRE MAYOR 23 SEP231974 ITEM NO 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 CrtY OF IVAAMI - DOCUMENT MEETING DATE: INDEX SEPTEMBER 23, 1 - 74 DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION COMMISSION AGENDA & CITY CLERK REPORT (3 pages) PURCHASE OF PROPERTY KNOWN AS FAIR ISLE FOR PURPOSES OF A CITY OF MIAMI PARK FEDERAL, STATE AND COUNTY FUNDS FOR ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY KNOWN AS FAIR ISLE SUPPORT CITIZENS OF HONDURAS INJURED BY HURRICANE FIFI PUBLIC HEARING - COCONUT GROVE ZONING STUDY INFORMATION PRESENTED TO CITY COMMISSION MODIFYING THE PLANNING STUDY FOR COCONUT GROVE SPECIAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND SPD -1- DISTRICT -CITY COMMISSION MEETING ADOPTING A PLANNING STUDY FOR COCONUT GROVE AS PRESENTED BY CITY OF MIAMI PLANNING DEPARTMENT COMMISSION ACTION M -74 -1039 M -74 -1040 R -74 -1043 RETRIEVAL CODE N0. 0001 74 -1039 74 -1040 0002 0003 0004 0005 74 -1043