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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC 1975-09-23 MinutesCITY OF M].AMI • E4i op orwir ! # dits v. it•"1:7' 1.4 to 1 Nt'01H1' +►lt at•:1) 18'�t� SPCIAL COM M I S S I O N MINUTES 1. LOBSTER FISHERMEN PAGE 1=8 2. DISCUSSION OF PENSION MATTERS 9=22 r''. 3. COST OF LIVING INCREASES FOR RETIREES 22=25 4. NATIONAL INDIAN ART SHOW (MISCOUKEE INDIANS)27 5. GOLF STARTER POSITIONS 29=3 OF MEETING HELD ON 6. NORTH AMERICAN CONGRESS OF''WOMEN 31=34 MOTION Nos. 75-843 THROUGH 75-853 PREPARED BY THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK GM HALL. H. P. SOUTH[ RN RAI_I'H G. c)NG1 t_ City CIL!nk A5S(''t-dlic LOBSTER FISH D I SCU S I ON ITEM Mayor Perrot Now I'm going to adjourn this meeting for a second and this will take no more than 5 or 10 minutes. roe have a veer serious, we have a problem with the fishermen and the iobstermen who are right now suffering to the point that homes are being foreclosed because they can't keep mortgage payments, they're having tc sell their automobiles: we've got a human crisis on our hands. This is a critical situation we've got to face today. 'Talking about the fishermen and their families, there are 1,200 affected fishermen in Miami and in made County, WA of which live in the City of Miami, that are today suffering because they cannot fish in the tam hamian waters... Mrs. Gordont tut didn't they get release bill back?... Mayor Ferret Just listen for a moment. They cannot fish in the tahamian waters. There's nothing to fish in piorida waters that they can substitute. There is no provision under the law right now as a relief for them. They cannot get unem- ployment pay, they have no possible relief. Now the Federal Government, through or two abled Congressmen who have brought up the questions of small business loans and reliefs, have gotten into the problem but it has not been resolved. Right now we are having people who are having to move ot1t of homes because they cannot keep up with mortgage payments, they're having to turn back their automobiles, now it's getting to the point where t've heard from some fishermen that they're actually having problems with feeding their family. It's gotten to that point. Now we have here with us some representatives of the Natural Resource Department of both the Federal Government and the State. Now the gentlemen with us, are they, here now? Well who's going to explain what the problem is? Would you do that? Alright. Mrs. Gordon: while they're coming forward, let me ask you a question. I had been told that this bill had been acted on as an emergency, sort of like a flood relief, a crisis inter- vention kind of relief bill... Mayor Ferre: The problem has not been solved and it's a critical human problem. Mr. Lloyd: Mr. Mayor, from a standpoint of procedure, in the events you feel you're going to enter some kind of a resolution, I'would suggest you call a Special Meeting. Mayor Ferre: I've already done that. 1 said I am adjourning the Budget Hearings and I am calling a Special Meeting for the expressed purpose of addressing ourselves to the problem of the 1200 unemployed fishermen of which, by the way, over 60% are American Citizens that live right within this communi- ty. Luis Lauredo: Very briefly Mr. Mayor, I have with me a Mr. Greenfield who is from the Federal Government National Marine Fisheries...National Fisheries Service of the Department of Commerce and Mr. Davis which is with the Florida Department of Natural Resources. First of all, I think it's fair to take a minute, at least from my point of view, and the people who were involved from the beginning of the crisis and you were not in session at the time, to comment publicly the City Manager and Joe Parades for the very quick reaction to this crisis situation and the very helpful way in which they picked up and tried to eleviate the problem when it came up so start- ing from that, I'll just briefly say that since that meeting that we had with Mr. Andrews and Joe Parades, we've been try- ing to work, there's three Government entitles working together, the Federal Government, the Florida Government, and the City of Miami. Arising out of a meeting in St. Petersburg in which the fishermen got together with the State Federal people, they made an explicit need clearer then that they would like, almost insisted or demanded that the monies, whatever monies be avail- - • SEP 231975 ablg in the Title 1t, be administered through the City of Miami: and no one else because they felt that it was the only Govern - dental entity that they had a trust relationship with, so in that sense, it goes towards a sort of accommodation of the kind of representation they have in their Ce5MMission. That's juet the three basic things. tie have met at length today with that and they've been extremely enlightening and Joe can fill you in. There's just three things that you need to do. There's a meeting on October the 6th in Atlanta with the Federal people. It usually takes up to 3 or 4 months before any monies are available. However, Mr. Greenfield instructs me that there may be some ways in which we can bring political pressure to expedite at least what we call the family benefits process which may, we may be able to get some priliminary monies by oetober the 20th and that includes home mortgage payments and payments on personal debts, amorti2at on and on some boat mortgages. So what we need is, number 1...I think that there be a resolution that can be mailed to the elected officials, the two Senators, the Governor, and the three representatives to try to bring pressure on the Department of Commerce and we have the appropriate people so that they will be having a person present at that Atlanta meeting and that they will take steps to expedite the... Mayor Ferre: Let me see if I can word it. The wording of this Resolution is that due to the fact there is a meeting in Atlanta on October the 6th with reference to trying to expedite Federal Funds for the purposes of emergency payments to un- employed fishermen in this community, that this City of Miami Commission goes on record and respectfully but urgently re- questing the Federal Government to expedite this as quickly as possible from a humanitarian point of view because these are people that are under serious economic adversity through no fault of their own. Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Mayor, I have a question. Mayor Ferre: Yes. Mrs. Gordon: What was the action we took at a previous Commi- ssion Meeting? Wasn't it exactly the same? Mayor Ferre: No, what we took was a general statement where this Commission when on record saying that there was a crisis and telling the Federal Government to please become involved. Now what we're doing... Mrs. Gordon: ...International cause that was... Mayor Ferre: Right. That was all done. That was all done and that's been passed and done. Mrs. Gordon: And that's why they're at the point they're at now? Luis Lauredo: Yes. Mayor Ferre: The reason why this is not a duplication of that is that this is a specific request for a specific action on a specific date. Rev. Gibson; Mr. Mayor, I would be delighted to offer, that motion providing we also say that as of now we call them and tell them. You know, why we don't wait, we're going to mail it to them and then it'd be another wee% before it gets to them, another two weeks, let us transmit to them by telephone now, not by telegram because that may be three hours late. Let's pass the resolution and then telephone and say this is the resolution and then send them the resolution. SEP 231975 The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gibaon who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 75-842 A MOTION URGRNTt,Y REQUESTING Tit UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE, ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS, FUNDS RbR TRR BEMIRE OP UNEMPLOYED LOBSTERFISHER- MEN IN THE :SOUTH Rt bRttA AREA. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was pasted and adopted by the following vote -AYES Mr. Plummer, Mr. Reboso, Rev. dibson, Mrs. Gordon and Mayor Perreo NOES Node. Mayor'erre: Now the second matter. Mr. Lauredo: The second one is that, and it follows this, is I had personally been in fiaashington and melt of these people are waiting ... I was going to personally call and follow up a Hispanic... You're going to have to decide today, there have been sort of an adhoc committee operating on this thing and we don't have any authority, really, whether you want to create a task force or whether we just want to keep the loose relationship. Myself and... Mayor Terre: Who are the people that are working on it? Mr. Lauredo: Mr. Villaverde have been working on this when it first erupt and Mr. Villaverde needs to be commended too because he's been dealing with the fishermen, he knows most of them and he's providing his. Mayor Ferre: Alright, who's been functioning on this? You, Villaverde, and Parades? Mr. Lauredo: That's the three people that have been working all along. Mayor Ferre: Well, I'll tell you, I would rather, rather than form a committee, I think the thing to do is to, my opinion, is to make a motion here where the City of Miami Commission instructs the City Manager and through you, Mr. Paredes, your agent. Mr. Lauredo: Mayor Ferre: Mr. Lauredo: And Aleli Puig. I'm sorry. Mr. Reboso's assistant. Mayor Ferre: And that Mr. Paredes, with the advice so that we don't have to pressure making it right now, of the members of the Commission form a Citizen's Committee that will work with him, Mr. Paredes, in this problem and that he be instructed to assume the responsibility at this juncture without finalizing anything because you've got to come back to the Commission for final author- ity in trying to work out this problem for the City, representing the City in this crisis. Mrs. Gordon: Mayor, may I ask you to consider that the other 10%, I think 90% are in the City of Miami that there are still. Mr. Lauredo: That's clear enough and if you want to ask... Mrs, Gordon: Alright, may I ask if there are any of the persons affected that are not residents of the City and do we need Dade County to join with us and apply their political pressures as well? (UNIDENTI'IED): Yes, we estimate that 10 to 15% of the outside: of the affected Bahamian lobster fishermen may reside outside the City limits of. Miami, It was the strong feeling of the fish- ermen at their Advisory Meeting with us that the City of Miami administered the entire grant and it seemed to me to be the pre- SEP 2 3197 ferenoe of gbort6mio Development Adi itiatratien that the City of Miami administer the grant because of their obvious sk.11s.. Mrs. Gordon: t didn't mead that, sir. I meant to get the po- litical pressure of entity of DadeCounty... Mayor Parre: Rose, let me explain what happened. There waa a meeting in St. 'Petersburg and at At. Petersburg; the fishermen that were them got up and they said that if there toss and red- eral monies coming down that the Federal Government, that the City of Miami should be the recipient and should be the admini- strator. Mrs. Gordon: There's no quarrel faith that... Mayor Terre: And that's where we're at which is, t mean, t feel highly honored that they thought so highly of the City of Miami, that they asked us to be the recipient and the coordinator of the grant and I think that we have to now; and I would aak that the third resolution, if we can pass the second one, be that we accept this designation provided the Federal Government wants to do it that way. But with certain guidelines; which I want to talk about in a moment, but we're not at that point yet. Now; t agree with you that we should also ask the County to pass a similar resolution and t'il recognize you to that effect. Mrs. Gordon: Alright, now refresh me if I'm wrong, Mr. Clerk, but the resolutions that were passed at the previous meeting, didn't we accept that responsibility then? Mr. Southern: No. Those were just general as I recall. Those were general motions... Mayor Ferre: See, we've done alot of work. Lauredo and Villaverde, Par. edes and others have done an awful lot of work in the interest and now we're getting to the specifics because those were general. Alright, what we need now is a motion as I understand it, the motion is, and Rose Gordon moves it, that the Manager be instruc- ted, that he assigns someone in his staff to head -coordinate the effort and that the effort also include some citizens' partici- pations as recommended by the members of the Commission. We'll leave that wide open so that they'll work with Mr. Parades on this matter. That's one resolution. You move that, Rose? Mrs. Gordon: Yes. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gordon who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 75-843 A MOTION INSTRUCTING THE CITY MANAGER TO ASSIGN A MEMBER OF HIS STAFF TO COORDINATE EFFORTS TO OBTAIN RELIEF FOR LOBSTER FISHERMEN IN THE DADE COUNTY AREA, AND EXPRESSING THE COMMISSION'S POLICY THAT THESE EFFORTS ALSO INCLUDE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION AS RECOM- MENDED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote -AYES: Mr. Plummer, Mr. Reboso, Rev. Gibson, Mrs. Gordon and Mayor Ferre. NOES: None, Mayor Ferre: Now the third resolution is that we instruct the Manager to, as a matter of philosophy, the City of Miami is wil- ling to be the recipient of Federal. Funds provided however, that in no point will. the City of Miami have to make any value judge- ments but rather that the guidelines will be totally made by the Federal. Government and we will have no value judgements to make, Let me tell you why, because otherwise, we're going to get in the harangue as to who gets the money and who doesn't and I'm not about to be put into that position and that's, the Federal Go- vernment's going to have to do that, SEP 231975 Rev. Gibson: Please repeat that for the record. Mr. .auredos Well, we have had a long discussion on this. We've been meeting for 2 hours and he's 'got reservations about that so why don't you go ahead and address it. 'lack Greenfield: Okay, I represent the National Marina Fishery Service.. Mayor Ferret yiur name and address for the records. Mr. Greenfield: Excuse me. Jack Greenfield, National Marine Fishery Service, St. Petersburg, Florida. I represent the Pishary Agency and I do not represent the granting agency, Economic Development Administration. t'm an advisor to the City of Miami in this capacity and obviously I can't comment nor advise you on your political strategy in the support of your grant, I a tech- nical assistant to the City, Now it concerns me a bit, this last resolution, because this is a new authority within =A as I understand it, this Title IX, and there are a remarkably few guidelines. We're charting relatively unexplored water here and we find that the nature of the benefits, the definition of the levels of benefits, the qualifications of the applicants for those benefits will be largely determined by what the grant re- quests and that grant will be generated here within the City, so I feel it's unrealistic to expect a predetermined set of guide- lines to help you in this regard. r feel the grantee will find himself accepting this responsibility of rendering value judge- ments. Mayor Ferre: Okay, I get your point. Does the Committee or the advisors agree... Mr. Andrews: We agree and that's why... Mayor Ferre: You agree with what he says? Does Mr. Paredes agree? Mr. Andrews: One moment, Mr. Mayor. we immediately have a problem here. If we go beyond the area of being the agency which will receive the funds and disburse the funds without guidelines, we've got an entirely different problem that we have to face here. Not that we can't cope with it, we have to cope with it in a different way. There's going to be about a half million dollars in Administration costs here out of a six million dollar grant. That means that there has to be an Administrator with the staff and so forth to go through all of this. I want you to be aware of this if we make application to, that would be an ingredient that would have to be included. Mayor Ferre: It ties into what we were talking about with Mr. Gong. There is no question in my mind that every city in the United States is either bankrupt or going bankrupt without exception. There is a simple premise. The Founding fathers of this country were not concious of the fact that America would turn out to be an Urban Nation in 200 years. This urban nation has most of the people, 75% living in cities who are supposed to render services and they don't have the fiscal power to render those services. Yet, the national government, the federal government has the fiscal power to raise the money and they spend it on military budgets and all types of things, and we the local governments do not have the fiscal muscle to raise the money to do all these things and therefore, there is 1 or 2 solutions. Either, as you said, we are a creature of the State because the constitution of the United States does not provide for cities, it provides for States. All we can do is, either we get a new constitution that gives 75% of where the people live power to raise funds or we are going to have to depend on the subsidies from federal and state governments who are the ones that have the fiscal power and mainly the federal government and what's involved in this case is that there are cititeris of Miami and also of the United States residents, who have, who are under an emergency. Now, the federal governmerit is saying, we'll come up with the money to help them but we're not going to administer it, .you do it. Now, the question is, and this is why we have a ninety million dollar budget rather than a thirty million dollar budget because if we had, if we had to depend, Ernie, on our tam funds, the City of Miami could only have a police Department and nothing eine because that's all we've got money for, the rest of it tomes from somewhere else. Now, the point is, does the City of Miami want to assume the responsibility of helping these 1,200 families of which 90% live in the City of Mia►i? It's not going to cost us, the federal government is going to pay for it, hopefully, and we're going to administer it. Now do we want to assume the responsibility of administering? 1 say we do and that's what 1 think the motion should say. Mr. Plummer: 1n other words, you're saying a half million will come from the grant. Mayor Perrot It's got to. Ile don't have that kind of money. Mr. Lauredo: One of the lobbying parts that needs to be done is the political lobbying as I'm understanding► is that there's a provision especially under loans in the program for 25% match- ing funds for the City. However, there's a probability that it can be waived at the federal level with appropriate pressure. And that's my reason for establishing a task force. Mayor Ferrer We're going to get into complicated areas. Let the task force and administration get into that. I think all we're going say is that provided, I would recommend that the Commission pass this motion provided it does not cost this, the taxpayer from our budget any funds, that we in principle agree to be the agency to administer these fundq,provided the federal government pays us to do it and then it rests on that. Now, do you agree with that? Rev. Gibson: Yes. Mayor Ferre: Alright, Father Gibson makes the motion, is there a second? Mr. Plummer: That we accept the responsibility... Mayor Ferre: Provided they pay for it. Mr. Plummer: Oh, sure. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gibson who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 75-844 MOTION EXPRESSING THE POLICY OF THE COMMISSION THAT THE CITY OF MIAMI BE THE RECIPIENT OF FEDERAL FUNDS TO ASSIST LOBSTER FISHERMEN IN THE DADE COUNTY AREA, AND THAT THE CITY OF MIAMI WILL ADMINISTER ANY SUCH, PROGRAM, PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT THE CITY OF MIAMI WILL ASSUME NO FINANCIAL OBLIGATION THEREBY. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote -AYES; Mr. Plummer, Mr, Reboso, Rev, Gibson, Mrs. Gordon and Mayor Ferre. NOES: None. Mayor Ferre; Now there's one last thing we've got to do, The governor has not declared this an emergency and we've got to get cooperation of the governor of the State of Florida, we don't want that. Mr, Lauredo: This is such that we're treading en charter waters but it's ntst impact money so to speak but however, I think, and Mr. Greenfield naid that it would not hurt to approach the governor as to a possibility to expedite... Mayor ?erre: 'his ladder is an emergency. I don't see how we could call it anything 'elate We've got 1,200.... Look, l want to put it to you this way and t want everybody, for the record, th .a 'coimttiaai n is in no may chastiaing or canting any asperaiona on the hahamia i government. The tahamain government has every right to act as a free nation to do whatever they want to ;and that's not what a question here. 4hat is involved here and I'm not even queationing the attitude of the state department re- presenting the united Mates. ghat is involved here very ainpi:y iS that through no fault of their own, 1,200 fatiliea that live 90% in Miami are affected by something which they had nothing to do with. They are the victims of it and through this sit- uation. they are unable to feed their families and maintain a proper life. And therefore, to me that is just as devastating as if they had been affected by a hurricane or an earthquake or any other natural disaster, and all I'm saying is that we should ask the governor to so recognize this disaster. Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor, why can't we ask him and let hint tell us it can't be done, that's why he's governor: Mayor Ferre: yes, but I think we should go on record saying, governor, we've got an emergency here... Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor, I move that this be declared an emergency and that the governor be asked to so declare it. Mayor Ferre: There's a motion. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gibson who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 75-845 MOTION REQUESTING THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO DECLARE THE PLIGHT OF LOBSTER FISHERMEN WHO HAVE BEEN DENIED THE RIGHT TO FISH IN BAHAMIAN WATERS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote -AYES: Mr. Plummer, Mr. Reboso, Rev. Gibson, Mrs. Gordon and Mayor Ferre. NOES: None. Mayor Ferre: Alright. Mr. Lauredo, is there anything else because we're... Mr. Plummer: Yes, Mr. Mayor, the Manager needs a motion au- thorizing him to assume this responsibility... Mr. Andrews: No, authorizing me to make application to EDA for this... The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gibson who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 75-846 MOTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO MAKE AN APPLICATION TO THE E.D.A. WITH RESPECT TO OB- TAINING RELIEF FOR LOBSTER FISHERMEN WHO HAVE BEEN DENIED THE RIGHT TO FISH IN BAHAMIAN WATERS, Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote -AYES: Mr, Plummer, Mr, Reboso, Rev, Gibson, Mrs, Gordon and Mayor Ferre, NOES: None, Mr. Andrews: One more motion, Mr. Mayor. Nill you, I'll phrase it. Commissioner authorizes the City Manager to make application to the Division of Family Serviceg of the State for asSiStarice in reference to this Matter.. We believe we can get eome help from them. Mayor Perre: On an emergency basis. Mr. Andrews: on an emergency basis. The following motion was introduced by Com riissit-ter Gibson who Moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 75-847 MOTION AU HORI2INC AND DIRECT/NC THt CITY MANAGER TO MARE APPLICATION TO THt STATE OP PLt RIBA DIVISION OP FAMILY SE1VICt8 POR ASSISTANCE TO LOEATER PISHER- MEN WHO HAVE SEEN 1 ENItD THE RICHT TO PISH IN EA- HAMIAN VATERS . Upon being seconded by Commissioner Cordon, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote -AYES: Mr. Mummer, Mr, Reboso, Rev. Gibson, Mrs. Gordon and Mayor Perre. NOES: None, Mayor Ferre: Alright, is there anything else? Mr. Lauredo: Mr. Mayor, I think it begets you to commend these people that have done an amazing job and I think that Joe mentioned in the meeting that it's historical that three dif- ferent government entities have been able to work so smoothly together and they have been the ones that have been showing us the way and even trying to cut corners which I think is unique in inter -governmental relationships. Mayor Ferre: Rose Gordon moves and Father Gibson seconds that this Commission commend Mr. Greenfield and Mr. Davies. Would you give us your full name? Mr. Davies: Yes, C. B. Davies. I'm with the Department of Natural Resources and it won't take long but I'd just like to extend the appreciation of the Department of Natural Resources and our Director, Harmen Shields, for the wonderful cooperative attitude of the City in helping these fishermen. Mayor Ferre: Well thank you, •air :and there's. a motion now commending you and your associate. Mrs. Gordon: Persons that represented us also. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Luis Lauredo, Mrs. Aleli Puig, Mr. Rafael \Tillaverde, Mr. Joe -Paredes, and Mr. Paul Andrews. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gordon who moved its adoption: MOTION NO, 75-848 MOTION EXTENDING COMMENDATIONS TO MR. JACK GREENFIELD, MR. C. B. DAVIES, BOTH OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERN- MENT, MR, LUIS LAUREDO, MRS. ALELI PUIG, MR, JOSEPH PAREDES, MR. PAUL ANDREWS AND MR, RAFAEL VILLAVERDE FOR THEIR EFFORTS IN BEHALF OF LOBSTER FISHERMEN WHO HAVE BEEN DENIED THE RIGHT TO FISH IN BAHAMIAN WATERS, Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote -AYES. Mr, Plummer, Mr. Reboso, Rev, Gibson, Mrs. Gordon and Mayor Ferre. NOES; None, G 1 SCUAA OP PBM-SION ! TItR Nor. Plummer: 1 want the record to reflect very clearly that the matters of pension that Vero brought up this morning, were brought up here to this table because of the Resolution which wan passed by my Board. It was not myself, as a Commissioner, that brought it up, but it was a resolution from them and 1 want to read it into the record. Be it resolved that the Board of 'trustees and the Retirement Roard of the 'City of Miami Employees Retirement System desire than the City remove from the 1975-76 Budget and all future Budgets, all items funded by the four trills special act which do not relate to pensions to with ;social Security, Croup Insurance, Vorkman's Compension Offset and to fund these item from the appropriate portion of the Budget. so t want that to be made very clear that this was to be brought by the Board. Mayor Ferret Mr. Clerk, would you make sure then, that these comments by the Vice -Mayor are part of the minutes of the pre- vioua Budget Meeting Bearing. t4e're now back to the Budget Hearing. The other meeting, the Special Meeting, is adjourned and now we're back to the Budget Hearing. Mrs. Cordon: And the second part of another motion that 14as made at the Plan Board Meeting was that whatever term of years is adopted, that it shall be the same for both years, for both Boards, I'm sorry. That it shall be the same term of years for both Boards. Mayor Ferrer Let the record reflect both of those motions. The meeting recessed for lunch at 12:45. The meeting reconvened at 2:10 with all members present. Mayor Ferrer Let's go ahead and start hearing some of the people now. Mr. Erny Fannotto asked to be heard first and he said he will not take more than three minutes, so I'll recognize you for that purpose Mr. Fannotto. Mr. Fannotto: Honorable Mayor, members of the Commission. I'm president of the Taxpayers League, Miami and Dade County. And also, the Homestead & Tax Exemption of Dade County. I would just like to start off by saying these are hard times for public officials. But there just are hard times and harder times for the taxpayers. You have in Dade County 20,000 in the City of Miami. 18 to 20,000 out of work. You have a lot of senior citizens with their backs against the wall. And most of the taxpayers in Dade County who are living on fixed income having hard times to meet their taxes and so forth. I would just like to start off by saying I would like to commend the budget of your City Manager, Mr. Andrews. It's a budget that won't reflect any taxes it will be a`god send to the taxpayers and voters in the City of Miami if you can hold the line. Now Mr. Mayor, fellow Commissioners, Mrs. Rose Gordon, you'll have a lot of people come up here this afternoon asking you for money. I'm going to ask you to think before you vote. Here's what I want you to think, is it most important- more important to think of the 18 or 20,000 people out of work, senior citizens I talked about and the people live on fixed income that might lose their homes or give some of these people an increase in monies that they might ask. This is the issue, as I said before earlier the City Manager has given you a budget, it's an economic budget and it's a businesslike budget. This budget reflects economy that the taxpayers need and need bad. They need it now. The 20,000 unemployed need it this year when they don't have any work, so does the others. I'd like to talk about this budget. And I want- as I said before I commend the City Manager, he started right in his department and cut 133,000 dollars. The Mayor and the Commission has a slight decrease in their budget and I want to commend them for that. The City Clerk has a slight decrease in their budget. The City Manager is accomplishing all of this and will accomplish this with the cooperation of the City Commission and Mayor. Mr. Mayor, I want you to guide these City Commissioners and I know they're intelligent but I want you to guide them to this economy budget and say to the people- we give you a budget inspite inflation that you can live with. Now, the City Manager has accomp- lished this here with some appropriations. (1), to the police department, he gives them 900,000 dollars more (and I think that's good, because we have as I said before in the whole Dade County and City of Miami there's 80,000 people out of work in Dade County). I don't mean that the people are out of SEP 2 31975 Work are tritinals, but it always reflects when you have a lot of unemployment you haVe a lot tf trite. Not . how titt you going to tttbat it if ytu dtet have polittmeft? You've got to be fair With yttir polite thief, you jut can't triticite hit and say te have a lot tort trite. If you dtet give hit the that's and the ten that totbat the trite you have no combat and 1 think it's very itportant. NOW, let'a go to the Eire. Mayor Verret Erny it's almost five Minutes that you've been talking, Mr. rannotto: All right. /41i tonclude in about a 'minute. Let's go to the fire department. The fire depart:bent is very, very itportant, it involves lives just like the polite depart:bent lives. They got to be Johnnie Ot the spot and if yon don't have enough net, the Men needs your vehicles whets you have fires its going to cause a hardship. It tould meat: a lot of lives lost besides poverty and you know what this means when you have a lot of poverty. Premiuts on your insurance policies of the homeowners are going to be increased. t would just like to conclude. Again, I want to tommend the CountyManager for giving the taxpayers and voters it the City of Miami a budget with tiO increase. (Hold the line Mayor and City Commissioners and you'll do justice to a lot of people in the City of Miami). Thank you. Mayor rerre: Thank you very much. Mr. Pannotto, the representative for the taxpayers of this community. Mr. Andrews. Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission. I think it's now appropriate to talk about negotiations that have been taking place with ref- erence to the cost of living. This was the only matter to be resolved in a two year agreement. This is the second year of that two year agreement. I would like to have Mr. Joel Lanken come forth and tell you the processes that we've gone through and where we stand at the present time after he has con- cluded an explanation of where we are. The Commission then has one or two choices to immediately thereafter hear what the employees have to say or if you wish I can carry on the discussion of that which has been offered how that is funded and what our problems are in funding those areas where we've made offers to the employees through our bargaining session. So wait until Mr. Lanken makes his presentation then you can make a determination how you wish to proceed immed- iately thereafter. Mr. Joel Lanken: Mr. Mayor and members of the City Commission. I promise you I'll be very, very brief. We began our negotiations with five groups to organize labor back in April or on about April 1, 1975 and as part of the re -opening process of the current collective bargaining agreements. At that point and time the City Administration was at a economic posture of zero dollars. Obviously, we couldn't hope to get an agreement based on zero dollars. Subsequently, we went back into collection bargaining negotiations and modified our economic posture by way of offering 5% across the board effective October 1, 1975. That posture could not be accommodated and there were no agreements following from that position. Subsequently, we went back into bargaining and we offered 6% effective October 1, 1975 with an additional up to 2% if certain federal revenue sharing were in fact receded during the fiscal 75-76 and if in fact the use of those monies could be lawfully dispersed to fund up to an additional 2%. I'm happy to report that we settled two contracts. One with the Sanitation Employees Association which represents approximately 700 members and the second with the General Employees Association which represents approximately 1,000 members. Now, one issue has to be made very clear to the City Commission that we were having a great deal of problems -- a great many problems connected with the prospect of one group of organized labor receiving a higher cost of living increase than another group of organized labor for whatever reason. Whether it came by virtue of the city commission adopting any advisory arbitration award or if it felt in some conscience that their was a re -alignment of priorities that were in order, for whatever reason. Then the language which was documented in the two agreements which have been tentative settled subject now to ratification. Is that if any other group organize labor receives a highter cost of living increase then that same dollar flow would benefit the two employee groups that have here and now agreed with the city administration, In sofar as the collective bargaining negotiations that took place where police and fire are concerned the police and fire bargaining teams formed a consolidated team of endeavor, The last proposal that was placed on the bargaining table 6% with the two if comes, was not agreed to by the police and fire bargaining teams. However, in the spirit of the cooperation in good faith bargaining, the police and fire bargaining team caucus brought back a proposal which did not incompetenee the two if come issues up to 27., they instead felt that they could live with an agreement that fixing a date of April 1, 1976 which is mid year for the additional 2% they could sell it to their members and seek favorable ratification on it, Subsequent to that posture managment bargaining team entered the caucus and came back with the position that it mould recommend 6% effective October 1, 1075 with g% effeeti.te June 11 1076, excuse ne, I'm eorry, August 1076. Mow, that particular poaitioti could tot be agreed to between the parties. We are now talking about four months difference which is comptuted at approximately 83,000 a month or its approximately 35Os000 dollars if applied city aide. Not, that'll give you the exact statue of the collective bargaining negotiaions for those four groups of employers. %e have had other sessions with the American Federations State, County and Municipal employers. I have not been advised what their posture is. 1 have submitted to them proposals that ate outlined previously, the 5%1 the 6%, plus the if cues, ott the 2%. I was informed by their chief negotiator that they would advise me Monday., this Mondays yesterday, of whether or tot they'd be in a position to accommodate that offer. I've riot heard a word from that bargaining team. I don't know whether the silence indicates rejection or aeteptattce. I have to idea they didn't propose, counterpropose or otherwise negotiate in a collective bargaining process on the proposal, so that's where We are: Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor, I think after listening to Mr tanker' and going back over this. If you appropriate or if t continue on so that you have a full side of the city administration's efforts in this area before you hear from the employees because t think you should be aware of the financial implications of all of this before you go too far in finding yourself in a position from which we would have great difficulty financial of overcoming. I want to indicate that the difference between that which is being asked by the employee, police and fire organizations verses the offer that is being made and does represent 356 or 70,000 dollars. However, it's really a little bit more than that. It represents a condition which I'm going to have to bring out to the commission a little later after I get through some of these charts of not fulfilling the request of the city commission in funding of certain police budgets and certain police personnel and other matters that you asked. I had to pair that back to arrive at this position and all of those factors including holding the line on the retirees at 1/2% rather than 1/4% represents another 375,000 dollars. I also took another position as far as our own funding capability and we're going to have to control vacancies. We reduced employee services by another 100,000 dollars. We reduced travel throughout the city by another 6,000 dollars and that represents 386,000 dollars, the sum of all of these adjustments when you take the employees, what the commission had hoped to achieve,what retirees had hoped to achieve and in- creasing our own position of reducing employees services and controlling vacancies. We are now talking about 1 million 136 thousand, so it just isn't all one side and I want to bring that out in another way in some information that I have here. The cost of living for 1975-76 we propose that the 6% cost of living increase effective October 1st and the 2% cost of living increase on August 1st would amount to 3 million 175 thousand dollars and the funding for a portion of that first year increment would be 2 million 900 thousand dollars from franchise funds which I want to explain to the City Commission because that depends on the city commission establishing policy for the use of franchise funds in a particular way and I need to go back to another chart as we talk about each one of those franchise funds for the next three years. Then there's 275 thousand dollars to come from the general fund and I'll explain how that's arrived that separately also. In 1976-77, the total 8 1-2% cost of living because it's 2% on top of the 6 brings it to a level of 812 will require for a full year funding of 4.540 thousand dollars and this includes the pension requirement for the first 6% because that will fall due since we'll be giving it in October and the 2% really won't start becoming effective until the year after that then -- so the funding for that will be 3 million 418 thousand dollars from franchise and the original 275 thousand dollars up there. I'm going to have to find for the commission a way of funding 500 thousand dollars so that we sustain 500 thousand dollars in the second year. In other words, it's already built in. In addition to that there would be 225 thousand dollars of fund balance carried from that year to the following year to lessen the impact in the second year. We got to keep doing this from now on. We're so close and budgeting are very closely. All of this has to be thought out very carefully, Then there would be 400 thousand dollars that we would have to depend on added revenue and/or cost reductions in next year's budget in order to balance out that cost of living, assuming everything else was reasonably equal. The third year and I'll explain later why the third year becomes critical. 1977-78 continuing with the 8,27 cost of living for this increment, the cost is a little greater because the 2,1-2% now has a pension requirement on it. So it has to be funded and it's now at 4mnillion 710 thousand dollars and that funding would be 3 million dollars from franchise and the continued built in 500 thousand dollar funding from the 75-76 budget level and then the 400 Thousand dollars would have now been accounted for and built in one way or another from the prior year and that third year we'd have to find 810 thousand dollars more which would have to come from added revenue and/or cost reductions. Now, the areas of the added revenue could come from if we legally can accomplish it (the public works' bill) or the counter cyclical funds. And even though counter cyclical funds can only be used once when we get SEP 2 1975 to this franchise funding till show you how the substitution of funds should take plate their so that would be ongoing funds to balance those three years period. Another area is the state revenue sharing, a reeovery of that area because in the last two years and inrludtttg this year the level = of revenues has reduced aubstantially, t4eire down to about 6 to 700,000 dollars this year over what teas estimated and we hope that the economy will recover sufficiently that there will be an upwind it those revenue sharing funds so that would play a part in helping to overcome the 00,000 dollars in.77 78 and the monies in 7748, another way would be an increase itt number of c+ nttructiot starts. There is some upwind now but not really substantially, but hopefully within the text two periods that would show an upward trend. Then, of course, obviously we look forward to some reduetiotts in the budget this year and in fact in the next 6 to 7 months we hope to have the financial management and systems well itt hand. We expect a lot of consolidation of financing efforts, accounting efforts it the city to be tottso.idated and all of this to be put ott tapes, of course that will be a tremendous improvement. of course, there's always tax base it'tereases that we hope that will improve our position attd hopef to overcome these problems Now, I want to bring out this other chart in which there would be a major policy decision on the part of the city commission in order to fund somewhere that can be used-- This is rather small print I hope it's large enough Mts. Gordon can you see it all right? May I suggest that you come up here and take a chair, can you see it all right? This is the Florida Power and bight Company Franchise Funds, capital improvements funds, and I can say with all honesty to the cote ission that t recognize that the city employees were entitled to a cost of living, there's no question that they're entitled to a cost of living. the question was how in the world we're able to fund it and this funding process, I can say in all honesty and all sincerity was not achieved until after we had published the budget until we begin and it really came about at the time that we were going over the funding of the convention center that I began to ask questions I had asked before that really came to light that was not to far down the road a time when all of these bonds would be paid and all of that money then would be available for the Commission to program any way it saw fit for capital improvements and for operating if we --- well, it builds up to a point of about 11 million dollars by --- and I think I furnished you a chart with this on it. I don't have it here before me. By 1984, 11 million dollars-- no that's 11 million dollars per year. Right now it's at level of about 4 million 63 thousand dollars that we receive annually, but that builds up each year at the rate of about 6 to 700 thousand dollars per year. Mayor Ferre: Paul, you and I have talked think it would be appropriate sometime in schedule a special commission meeting for what the will of this commission is as to expenditures. about this, but now on the record I the next couple of months you would this commission to start discussing the use of those funds for capital Mr. Andrews: Yes. Yes. Would this one increment hopefully built into it. Because if we don't have that we don't really have anything. So, if the commission will adopt the policy of paying these bonds off when the next receipt of funds falls due which is July 1st, 1976 at that point and time you are in a position to pay off about 4.6 million dollars worth of bonds. That clears out any reservation as to how these funds can be used. That gives you the flexibility for programing and for capital improvements and a certain amount for operations. So, starting again with the requirements that are needed, the Convention Center, the land acquisition, the design, bids, and equipment are all listed there as they were before in charts that I have presented to you and that formular remains in tact. Also the Dinner Key Exhibition Hall is there and then the next three items are the cost of living that I have referred to in the prior chart program and the last one is the redemption of the capital improvements bonds at 4.6 million dollars, so there are all the requirements and we have spread those across the chart according to when these requirements fall due just like we did when I gave you the information on the Convention Center, all of that remains in tact. We've added the increments of the cost of living when they would fall due in July 1976, July 77, and July 78, as was reflected on the other chart, then when you total the requirements in each year in July of 1975, there was 7 million 100 thousand dollars in requirements and the revenues, were 4 million 400 thousand dollars from the capital improvement investment fund and the Convention Center bonds 4 million 200 thousand and the Virginia Key land sale 5 million 300 thousand, that's 13 million 900 thousand subtracting the 7 million from that 13 produces 6 million 800 thousand dollars remaining, The requirement for July of 1976 is 10 million 500 thousand and then when you estimate the revenues once again from the various sources that we had explained to you once before and that is the monies coming in on July 1st from the franchise funds, Our interest earned on that money and then 500 thousand dollars from Metro as a result of the of sites from the Government Center Site, We have 11 million 863 at, that point and time subtracting the 10 million 500 thousand trot that has a balance of 1 :Anion 363 thotisattd and the requireteettts are 6 million 418, The funds are replenished again it July let and you have a balance of 7 Million 43 thousand, You subtract that from the requirements and ytiu got 625 thousand dollars in the last year and a 7 million dollar require treat, The tuttde are replenished once agaitt and it balattcee out to 7 zillion dollars afid this took a lot of effort to put this together this ways Now, 1 taant to have a sheet distributed tt you that has the itees that you asked that sae consider to be included in the budget, Nat beggiftg to balance this whole thing outs Mayor Ferret Paul, 1'd like a copy of that tahetiever it's available, Mr. Andrews: Ali right. We will photograph these but we will make up a typed vile besides the photographed otter attd there's sufficient copies of this which I'm givittg the Commission and it should be distributed to the employee groups attd all of the department directors. Mayor Verret the t►etnbers of the public that are here why don't you read this out? Mr. Andrews: 1 will, but I matted some people to get some copies before ---- All right if you'll permit the 1 would like to go through this whole list and then come back and answer any questions that you have and I'll take it item by item and you bear in mind that sotne of these requests have been paired down so that we could end up with a balanced budget that would not require any tax increase if we deviate from any of these I'm sorry to say that we'll have either ways of furthering reducing the budget or providing the tax increase to overcome it. So item #1 is the police department in which the commission asked that 16 officers plus 2 sergeants be considered and that cost would have been 220 thousand dollars and I'mn recommending that we provide 8 officers at mid -year at 50 thousand dollars with the understanding that if for some reason more funds will develop in some way that we are not knowledgeable of at this time that we could expand on that position and the sanitation department there's 10 standby laborers and and an assistant director, the total of which is 95 thousand dollars, communications department is -- the request was for 3 communic- ations technicians and two communications technicians foreman. We're going to provide only 1 communications technicians and 1 communications technician foreman for half a year. In other words, we start them out on half a year to reduce the impact of that funding. The operation of the Baptist Church we had original hoped that we could set aside 50 thousand dollars to use as a start up operation, we've reduced that to 25 thousand. The commission approved the widow's benefit ordinance some months ago and that requires 160 thousand dollars and half of 1% retirees cost of living benefit would amount to 180 thousand dollars recogniz- ing that they had hoped to get a full 1% but that's just not possible this year. The boxing commission travel is 1 thousand, city advertising in Latin Directory 2,000 dollars. Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Andrews, could I ask you- or would you rather I not ask you? Mr. Andrews: Would you let me finish and I'll be glad to --- Mrs. Gordon: It's a simple question. Mr. Andrews: All right. Mrs. Gordon: On the half percent retirees, would a lump sum payment to all of retirees you know, x-number of dollars be legal? Could we do that,instead of percent? Mr. Andrews; No. The answer is very dangerous ground. Mrs, Gordon: Dangerous or illegal? Mr. Andrews; It's illegal. Mr, Lloyd: Yes. Mr, Andrews; That half a percent for retirees, for the retiree who has been off or who has been on pension for 10 years it means a 5% increase for that particular pensioneer, Mona Lighte's request on behalf of 1iempishere Congress for Women requested 16,200, we've made provisions for $3,000. Nora Swan= bicentennial Committee-$5,000, University of Miami increase contribution $10,000 to bring it back up to the full $25,000, The pro rata share promotion with Miami each State of Florida for new Europe Tourist Eustness $3,000, The Miami Crime Commission discussed that a budget hopefully be established at SEP 231975 $25,000 when I'm recommending that •$151000 be made available. Office of gcononiic Development we will try to accomplish that through the Community Development program. hte think that we can carry that individual through that particular program when it becoit►es appropriate to do so The Affirmative Action fire department store front rental for a tutoring and advertisifig(this is something that the Commission has asked about several times) you did ttot include in your list but I've included it here because of it's importance and its $7,000, Then the cost of living was 6% and the 2% for two months represents 3 million 175 thousand dollars and carry over funds to 107647 of 225 thousand dollars and the total requirements are 3 million 068 thousand dollars and it's proposed that be funded by utilising 300 thousand dollars of cedar funds in a very special way which compliments an Affirmative Action program as well.. The fee adjustments are 382 thousand dollars control vacancies and when 1 say control vacanices there may some instances when it'll be necessary to hold prototions in obeyance for 6 to 8 weeks rather than filling diem within a week or two its order to accumulate 280 thousand dollars but that would be used as a last resort in our whole program of employment in the city. We reduced employee services by 100 thousand dollars. We reduced travel by ,6 thousand dollars and the franchise funding of 2 million`900 thousand balances out the requirements. Now, through this long process that I've lead you this would hopeful if the employees except the offer of city administration at the 2% to begin on August 1st would keep in tact the balanced budget and I can honestly say that I don't think it would be right to provide the funds if they were available they would be a find thing to accomplish as far as the cost of living is concerned the funds are just not there and if you give consideration to changing this then other considerations should be given to other areas which begins to compound into about a million dollar problem. If you're going to treat one one way you better treat others the same way. Mayor Perm: Mr. Andrews I've got one question--- are you finished? I've got one question and then I think we ought to hear from the employee groups starting with the ones that haven't agreed and then we'll go to the citizens wino want to be heard, but I'd like to ask how our employees fair in comparison with Metro- politan Dade County, or just if you want to use Miami Beach, Coral Gables, which ever-- starting with our fire fighters, our new policemen and sanitation. Mr. Andrews: All right let me take the fire fighters first and then I'll give you the police department, let's look at both of those and I can say that this information I'm presenting to you has been verified by first gathering the information by telephone typing up the cables and then having this particular table I'm reading for taken to Dade County and presented to them -- a copy left with them to verify that we're about to present this accurate information and I will give you the fire fighter entry level and then give you the same level for Dade County and as I go through the second step, third step, I'll first give you Miami and then Dade County and I'll give you the figures as we are recommending them with the 8% in place. In other words, if you achieve the 8% cost of living or 8.1-2 then this would be the comparison to the latest information which the county has supplied us with for what their cost of living will be. Mayor Ferre: In other words, it's going to be apples to apples. Mr. Andrews: As close as we can get them. When we get to the longevity steps it's not quite apples to apples because of the way Dade County handles their first and their longevity, but we've interpolated that so it is equal and we've taken this back to Dade County, let them make the calculations and they agree with us that it is, Miami entry level will be 1,088 - Dade County is 1,010 and the second step Miami will be at 1,142 and Dade County will be at 1,054 about 90 dollars less. And the third step Miami will be at 1,201 and Dade County will be at 1,102 -99 dollars less. And the fourth step Miami is at 1,261 and Dade County is at 1,150 about 111 less, The County is 111 dollars less than Miami. And at this step Miami is at 1,324-Dade County is at 1,203, the County is 121 dollars less. Miami , the sixth step is 1,390 - Dade County is 1,258 approximat- ely 130 dollars less, I'll skip the first longevity the eity is higher. The second longevity , The second longevity step Miami will be at 1,533 dollars Per month and Dade County will be at 1,380 per month about 153 dollars a month less for the County than the City, Police officers category the entry level, Miami will be at 1,088 dollars and Dade County will be at 963 dollars, They are presently in arbitration so I can't give you the outcome of that and per- haps we shouldn't carry that on and all fairness to the police officers in the City and Dade County because we are in that instance not really comparing the two but assuming that the adjustments are equivalent somewhat to the fire fighters, l would suspect that we will be paying our employees higher than Dade County will be, SEP 2 31975 Mayor Petret •SO in sum of what you're saying it that if wt do what you're recommending that ut at the end of this period will be slightly higher in 4 4 jtit ApOtt every category that you've read.in bade County? Mr. Andrews: Yes. yes, Mayor Perret bk. Ate you ready to talk? Mr. tent Naples: Thank you Mr, Mayor. I'th from the fire fighters. I would have hoped to tome before you today with a agreement like we did last year, however things didn't work out quite that way this year, unfortunately. Mr. Lanken's dates that he gave for bargaining were correct it at much as those are the dates that should have been used. And we should have negotiated, how- ever we did not get an offer from the City until August 28th of 75, While we had a couple of meetings with the that was always the 2ete type of thing. I must correct both the City Manager and Mr, Lahken in as much as our multipler contract spelled out not only cost of living but also assignment pay what I'm speaking to is some adjustment for our rescue personnel and some are other assignment areas, the fire college and so forth. /ft ftegotiating(and when we realize the predicament the City was in as far as the budget this year, realizing that the situation as it was we agreed that if we got into a cost of living that there had to be choice made between cost of living and or people in the assignment area that certainly would seem to us that it was more justified and take care of all of our people for the cost of living raise and opposed to the other. Of course that wasn't mentioned but we're speaking of somewhere in the area of 160,000 plus of which we had by contractual arrangements last year agreed to discuss this year, of course, that hasn't been mentioned. I might say that the fire fighters offered a plan to the city which would have costed the city actually less number of dollars over the period of this year then it actually would cost them under the arrangements the Manager has offered. How- ever they chose not to go along with that particular plan but it was a plan that would take a portion or percentage over a three month area. We gave them 3 or 4 different alternatives in which we would actually wind up with about 6% at the end of the year. But the annual rate of change would put us more on the ball game with the other municipalities. Now, while the Manager gave you some figures relating to Dade County the one thing he did not speak to was the 8% pension contribution that the County people will not have to make since their funds will be funded entirely by the County as of October lst of this year. So that means that these people will have an addition to whatever cost of living they get this year. An additional 8% that they can put in their pockets to take home with them which is actually better than money( I mean since they're taxed and so forth has to be paid on that amount). Mayor Ferre: Paul, did you hear that? Mr. Andrews: Yes. Mayor Ferre: In other words, what he's saying is that County employees really are getting more because they don't have to come up with the 8% for the contr- ibution for pension. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor what he's really saying is the County has gone under the State system which is non-contributory. Mr. Lloyd: They have been under the state system. Mr.Plummer: Yea, and where our police and our fire are required to give a donation. Mr. Naples; The largest contribution in any part of this country that I know of 81/2%. Mr. Plummer: 81/2%, what he's saying is the police and fire of metro are getting that absolutely no cost, then watt a minute-- in their behalf I've got to say the truth where our police and fire get a receipient at the end 21/2% Metro is getting 3%, so they're getting a lot bigger benefit. Mayor Ferre; So, what you're saying Mr. Naples is that it's not apples to apples, Mr, Naples; No sir and I'll take their deal if you want to give it to us. I'll take the 3% benefit with no contribution, Mr, Andrews; Well, lot me show you how the orange becomes an apple. And I'm sorry I gotto to bring this up, it's a re -occurring argument but it's an argument 1111111MIIIiiiimminnuniumilimpt 15 SEP 231975 AM its a sound one. And 1 have fouttd no one to set thin argutett aside. to 1972, 1 have the niinutea here, employee both police and fire cattle before the City ftiot ttstion etttd asked that their 4% go toward the funding of a petition emolument which was to itttrease their 2% bettefit to Oa% and they indicated that if the City then approximately $BOO,000.00 and put it into thta emolument that they would make up any difference tteeding to carry that etttolumetnt forward4 Now that emolumettt hat grout to the point that it represents about 6' to 7% hawed on all the increases that have takett place attd 1 don't have at accurate figure so t want to be fair with them, so let's say it's 6% that, that 4% requtremettt attd they set their salary increase aside to gain this several mottths later the 'urger pay plan carte into being and the larger pay plan raised their position from 4% below there it should have been up to at equal standard with everyone else attd including the other jurisdictions it this county so they overcame a problem that the City is funding. In other words4 if you extract that element out of the total picture and we didn't have that to contend with they would be receivittg the salaries they're receiving now. tut the City has been funding that emolument that they have been granted at that time based on adjustment of a 4% cost of living so we are funding about a 6% to a 61% portion of their pension based on their own statements and their own comments and these are documented froth the City Clerk's records. Mr. Naples: And------ Mr. Mayor we %ill be drawing now in addition to 4% which we are not. And I might say as long as he brought Mr. Andrews that,that 4% was also given to the general employees in pay. They were given 4% pay and that was our agreement and then in addition to that you came before this Commission and they got another 440 thousand dollars at that particular time. But I don't really want to get into that, that's not why we're here. Mayor Ferre: Gene listen we have to break up in thrity-five minutes and I would like--- and we got a lot of people that have to talk. I'd like to see if we could cut through. And I just want to express an opinion and see if the rest of theCommissionwants to take a stand. As far as I'm concerned we're 300 and some odd thousand dollars and I want to ask the Manager if there's some place in the budget where we can find these funds. We may have to cut back on the programs. Is there any program that we can cut back? Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor, I can't in all honesty recommend to you any place where we can ---- We have done so much to this budget already that --- Mayor Ferre: Let me bite the bullet. Let me ask you the question, how about the ---- you know, as you remember you and I went up before the school board and we also mentioned to Metropolitan Dade County that we didn't think it was the responsibility of the citzens of Miami to pay for that School Resource Officer's Program and we told them at that time that we wanted them to immediately start paying for half of it and start thinking about assuming the responsibility for paying the full amount. Now I ask you how much is involved in that? Mr. Andrews: About 250 thousand dollars. Mr. Plummer: Well, and there's one other item that I think is overlooked, plus how many uniformed policemen? In other words, what I'm getting at Paul is if not only if it were to be cut out by the City but if that program was not by the City of Miami Police Department, how many officers do you have tied up int that program? Mr. Andrews: I think twelve or fourteen but the Chief is here Mr. Plummer: I heard eighteen. Mr. Andrews: Could be, I've forgotten the numbers. Mayor Ferrer I had the figure of sixteen in mind. Now, you know what I'm talking about this is where we're going to have to get the money now. Mr. Plummer; Excuse me, eighteen, see that would put eighteen officers back out on the street, Mayor Ferre; Well, let me --- I know, but I'd like the Chief's opinion and then I want Lt, Harrison, because the police department is involved in this and the people that he represents in his union, because it effects ---- Mr, Plummer;These are not people that are going to be eliminated. Mayor Ferre; I know that, but it's the program that's going to be eliminated and I just want to make sure you understand because --- 113 SEP231975 Now we got to start reaching-- the only two ways of doing it as you all know. We either have to increase taxes or we have to cut out some programs that'e there we're at. Mr. Naples MI. Mayor, may 1 make just one more point. I dean as long as tiro still standing up here? And that is simply this that the Manager brought in bade County as ti comparison figure and Certainly he didn't mention Miati teach or Hialeah who are going to be considerably high than us. 1 wish he'd spoke to those figures and all I'm saying is that the City of Miami takes an awful lot of pride in its fire department as being the greatest and we art the only class 1 department in this part of the country and it appears that we're going to be about third or fourth in pay, so 1 think that's something we ought to just rtentihn in passing, because he mentioned Dade County and didn't mention the other two. Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor, may I interrupt just long enough so that to tell you that I have the Hialeah figures here. I didn't use then. They are lower than the City of Miami's in both fire fighter and police officers attd I can read the figures. They were verified yesterday with Hialeah. These figures were taken to theta to their budget office and effected 10=1-75, Mr. Naples: That doesn't include their recent contract Mr. Andrews, because I'Ve got some figures here too. Mr. Andrews: This is what I understand is now to be in effect on 10-1-75 which will be October 1st, 75. What they verified was $1,063 as an entry level for police officer and an entry level for fire fighter at $1,063. Mr. Naples: Well, if you go through the grades you'll find there's a consider- able difference and not only that but they are going to pick up an additional 1% in the very near future, plus the fact that they're getting another floating holiday. Mayor Ferre: Well, I think --- I've thrown out a suggestion and I'd like the answer if it's all right with the Manager. I'd like to get the Chief and see what his opinion is and let him speak up to it and then I want Lt. Harrison's opinion and then we'll get back to--- You heard the question Chief? Chief Watkins: Was this about eliminating the School Resources Program? Mr. Plummer: May I interrupt Mr. Mayor please? Because I don't anyone going away from here Chief or Mr. Mayor thinking that we don't feel that it is a fantastic program. I want that understood, that I personally know the program. I think it is a great program. God only knows what the results are because you won't know because it's two, three, four, five years down the pike. But I think what the Mayor is really asking is should the City of Miami be asked to pick up $200,000.00 of this fair as opposed to the good of the program? I think that's got to be said because I don't think there's anybody up here that has any disagreement that the program is good. Mayor Ferre: Well, I think the other side of it that we have to consider is that the school program is picking up $250,000.00. Mr. Plummer: $250,000.00 of city money. Mayor Ferre; And their money too. So -- what we're giving up is not $250 but $500,000.00. I mean this is a matching affair. This isn't one of these things where we're getting dollar for dollar. Mr. Plummer: Only under pressure was it a matching affair because originally they wouldn't give anything. Mayor Ferre; Ok, Whatever it was the fact is that we went there and I distinctly remember the day. Rose was there and I forget who else. Mr, Andrews; I was there, Mayor Ferre; Mr, Andrews was there and we went to bat and Ben Sheppard and those people all voted for it I think with the exception of one person, Mrs, Gordon; I wouldn't like to see us even talk about that kind of economy but I would like to ask Mr. Andrews, may I Mr, Mayor? With regard to this memorandum I have dated December 4th from you to us regarding double taxation► Where do we stand on that? The number of items you have listed on here are 17 SEP 2 3 1975 logical and toe should teteive emit bade County support for these items, 'Where do toe stand -aft it'? Mr. Andrews: trtti not cure where toe are., t have not really gotten any concrete information from the County gl►toh would indicate that they plan to make theae adjustments: t want to be careful how t say that because they may very well achieve that, Weird trying to satertain tohat they were able to actompliah but toe took to Changes and t toroth another letter to Mt. Goode and sent the Commission a copy of it which again expresses your to -teethe particularly in reference to thin last adjustment for fire in whith safe $500 and some thousand dollars has been added, Mayor Ferret No, no, a million three hundred thousand. Mr Andrews: tell, I thought it was five hundred and some thousand. Mayor Terre: t don't think so Mr. Andrews. Mr, Andrews: All right. Whatever it was Any ittretnent that was added that the people of the City of Miami should not be taxed for that increase. How this will finally come about I'm not sure. When I appeared before the County Commission t told the County Commission in your behalf that the City Commission expeeted an adjustment in one or two ways. The first was a differential it taxes to be assessed in the City of Miami. If that legally could not be accomplished then the County Commission should find some way of collecting those taxes and turning over to the City of Miami for its operations so that the taxpayers will benefit. But I have not received any information. Mrs. Gordon: May I just continue very briefly? Mayor Ferre: Go right ahead. Mrs. Gordon: I attended a meeting, the meeting was held on Miami Beach. It was a group of women who were being made aware of ways to protect themselves in the recent crime ways that has been attacking women,particularly. And an officer from the public safety department was there and he was demonstrating certain kinds of proportionary devises that could be used in homes,etc., etc. and he said, (I didn't want to start a discussion of this type at that -meeting) but he said, if any of you live in the unincorporated 'area call us because we can help you and we'll demonstrate all these things to you. Of course, if you live in a municipality you can call your municipal police department and if they don't happen to have anyone who's trained in it then we'll train someone for them to demonstrate to you. Now, I said to myself now what a fine kettle of fish. I, if I don't have such a fine police department, you know, if I didn't live in the greater city in Dade County, you know, if I lived in a smaller one I couldn't get the same service as the person in the unincorporated who might live a block or two away. Now, you know that's so asinine, that was I believe the case, I hope it is. Because I hope to be able to supply you with a record of it, but this was said and this was said to a group of around 50 or 60 women from all over Dade County and they were told exactly that. Now, is that fair, is that right and there, must be a legal recourse Mr. Lloyd, I'm addressing my- self to you. There must be a legal resource that we can use as leverage. What is it, if any? Mr. Lloyd: Well, the legal resource is that declaratory judgment action in the courts of the circuit court in and for Dade County. Actually what we have done so far is do all of the preliminary things necessary which are the prerequisite toward filing such an action in the event that the County fails to act. Now, the determination will be made that the County has failed to act according to our satisfaction when their budget hearings are concluded and Mr. Andrews will be prepared at that time Iassume to present to you a report as to what they have done or not done. As of the last meeting which we attended -or when we went over purusant to to this Commission's direction Mr. Andrews went accompanied by myself and his budget people and made the demand pursuant to your direction. They had not at that time abided by the statute because the statute required a response either negatively or affirmatively within (1 think it was 60 days) and that period had elapsed which we notified them and told them we expected their response, We notified them of that, Now, this = the time for a response would be during the budget hearings. We, Gordon; Well, it's so ironic because here we are trying to figure out how to solve the problem which is so critical to this city and we're being totally ignored and yet the citizens of this city are paying for something they're not getting any benefit of. 18 SEP 2 31975 Mayor perret yea, but the Who point is that we've beets totally ignored for eighteen yews and Bay Goode ihin all fairness, the County Manager did for the first time in the history of Metro recogttited even though���..�. that that t ae an inequity and that he was willing to recognise it and start correcting it and for the first time in the Metro budget last year there was a special provision so that the people in the unincorporated areas could begin to pay for the services that they receive Which sae do not receive and yet we have been paying for sixteen yeare previous to that. Mrs. Cordon: A shall portion of it though. Mayor Petrie: All right, tow in addition to that as Mt. Lloyd as explained there is now a legislative of relief and a process wherein we can go and weak relief because we've been for so long hearing about duplication of services and nobody ever talks about duplication of taxes and now we have the avenue. Now to have fulfilled the legal requirements. Cod forbid that we ever see the day when the City of Miami has to go through Metropolitan fade County. But let's not anybody misunderstand I ttant to be very, fiery clear that 1 would not hesitate one second in casting my vote to proceed with such a lawsuit if we don't find the adequate relief the justice requires and we're going to be seeing (this is not a threat) I'm just saying that that day will come if we don't have a proper answer from .Metropolitan Dade County, however we don't have that answer as of today and therefore we must swim or we trust tilt the earth with whatever auction that we have available and that's what we have to do. %4e're here try- ing to figure out a way to tilt this earth in whatever what that we have at our disposal. So we get back now to the reality of today and that means that we either increase taxes or we have to find a program to cut. t've just thrown one out. I'm not for or against it. I'm just saying let's discuss it. Mr. Plummer: The poor chief is standing here, you asked him a question you won't let him answer it but ---- Mayor Ferret I'd like to ask him to answer that right now. Chief : I'd like to respond to my opinion of the merths of the case and let the funding be a separate issue. I think the program has demonstrated to both the school system and to the police department that it is the program that's brought many benefits. Some of them were just beginning to depreciate. I wouldn't if it came to a point of setting priorities - of going back and having to set priorities I don't think perhaps if we had the cut that maybe we couldn't justify them that way but we did put two additional officers into the program this year when school started. We might have to reduce but even without funding and I think morally that the County or the school board should be committed to help fund this program but I certainly would hate to see it eliminated completely. Of course, when you set priorities that means there's a reduction to service somewhere- that would have to be considered. I hope that answers --- Mr. Plummer: Chief, if you had to set a priority. If you had eighteen men today assuming thats what it is. And you as Chief of this City of the Police Department, would your priority and eighteen men without a program ongoing , would you put them on the street, or would you put them in the school resource officer's program, I think that's whats got to be answered? Chief : I would want to leave certainly at least a good number of them in the school resources officers program even if we were totally committed to funding in a --- Mayor Ferre: We're skirting the thing because the point is this. It isn't eighteen because we're only paying for half of it. See, the school board is paying for half, so it isn't eighteen, We're not going to get eighteen back. We're just going to get $250,000,00, but it's a half million dollars program and we're not going to get that back, so it isn't eighteen million, it's half, So, I come back -the question is,in your opinion is this an area that we can and the City of Police Department can afford to cut? Because I understand the answer is no, Chief Yes is the one I wouldn't want to cut --I'll phrase it that way. Mayor Ferre: So, if you'd have to cut you'd cut somewhere else, Chief Well, you're putting me somewhat on the spot, I'd like to go back the drawing board -- Mayor Ferre; W11., we're all on the spot, including you, 19 SEP 2 31975 Chief, We1.1, that's a point, but it might be that I only want t6 tut certain portions of it. I try to answer it that way. titt;tead of tutting the whole program nut r think it will be a reduction of the other people that we have in the School keaourcea Officers Program. Mayor Perre s All right Mr. Andhra I gee the will of this tofu tisaion we this thing. And we'll talking about odd thousand dollars. So, where are you tell me what you tan tut as far as want to atrromplieh the total funding of those four months whth is $300 and aot►e we going to get the money? Mr. Andrews: I don't knit. I can't give you an answer to that question Mr. Mayor I just don't know where to tell you to go we've done ao much tutting and so muth turning bark and exercising the judgment on fund§ that are available expanding all of the fund balances that-..-- Mayor Ferret Well, all right, let's turn over then to the employee groups and see if you have any recommendations there we find $300 and some odd thoueand dollars. Mr. Plummier: What is the exact figure where talking about? Mr. Andrews: It figures out to be $356,000.00 a month if my math is correct. Whatever it is times four(4). Mr. Plummer! All right, 350.-- Mr, Naples: Mr. Mayor, what we're talking about is 6/10 of 1% of payroll and we're talking about just the are Department, we're talking about $84,000.00. We're talking about all the City Employees, we're talking about -- Mayor Ferre: Gene, you can put it anyway you want I'm looking at $350,000.00 and we got to find it and there are one or two ways we do it . We either find it in the budget or we find it by increasing taxes. That's where we're at. Lt. Ken. Harrison: President of Fraternal Order of Police. If you're offering us the opportunity to establish priorities I'd be delighted to take it and if you give me about 4 hours. I'll come back to you with some priorities that will definitely have some dramatic effort on the city's budget. I'll take the challenge Mayor. Mayor Ferre: Well, -- Lt. Ken Harrison: It means shifting priorities. There's no doubt in mind that that'll occur and their will, be some problems that will be cut back but I think ONO MMIM.111.1 Mayor Ferre: Well, right now we got twenty minutes in this particular session and I'd like to know since their are no specific recommendations at this point where we find $350,000.00 what the will of this Commission is. Mr. Andrews; Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission have you rejected advisory arbitration. Is that rejected at this point? There's not the viable way of solving this problem after all the City Commission and the demonstration ---- Mr. Plummer: I won't accept, no. Not at this point of the game. Mrs. Gordon: Are you saying that we're going to adopt this today, this budget? I don't see how we can. Mayor Ferre: No, I don't think we can either, but I'm saying I'd like to come to the crossing the bridge on that $350,000.00. Mrs. Gordon: WEMI, if there can be a solution found that we can consider. We're not going to adopt this budget today. I don't see how we can. We have ordinances that have to be amended if we're going to adopt it the way it's prepared. We can't do it after the fact. We can't act illegally and then move to legalize ourselves as far as I can understand. So consequently we're at the point and time right now where we have to hear whatever we can hear and then adopt it as soon as we have found some more solutions which would give them time, Lt. Ken Harrison; I'd like to comment a minute Commissioner. I wasn't given the privilege of the numerous meetings that other employee organizations were given. I was kind of brought in occasionally, the total of three meetings, And if what the City is saying that they have collectively bargained with the police organiz- ation in good faith. I think yet I have to challenge that because I have rece- ived exactly two offers in the city, both of which were final offers, I was $ P 2a197 not provided ample opportunity to set down and negotiate on any tore than three meetings. Now. what we're talking about is a difference in four months 3520000 dollars and even if the Cotiitrtission as the Mayor has pointed out, a tillage increase, what does that represent as far as a percentage of a mill? Mayor Perm Well Renny, we're not getting to that point yet. 1 think what this Cott issioti�., you know, 1 think it's thy job as Mayor and the Chairman of this board to try to sensitise and bring things to decision making points. Now. 1 think the bridge that we're .at right now it this, does this CbnItsaion want to instruct the Manager to find $2500000.00 yes or no. Because I don't think there's any reason for us to start asking the employee groups to start telling us what kind of priorities we have to set. That's the Manager's reepon= sibility and then final it's our responsibility as the elected officials. Se 1 think what we have to do at this point as 1 remember we used to do with Mr. Mel Reese all the time and he used to get pretty red it the face sometimes but it's either we say to these people who ate before us we do not except your proposition and that's it or we tell the Manager we do accept that and you kind the $350,000.00. Mr. Plummer: Well, 1 think there's another way. Not an answer but a possible answer or a solution at the impasse that we're in today. 1 think that we can charge both the employees and the Manager. Mr. Manager you go and come back to this Commission assuming that the Commission expresses to you - we want the difference to be found, what are you going to have to give up to find it? Mayor Terre: All right, is that in the form of a motion? Try and bring it to a head. Mr. Plummer: And then the employee groups would come back to us and say here's where we think $353,000-- don't they have that right? Mayor Ferrer I know that J.L.but the point is that the moment you do that you open up a can of worms. I think that with all due respects but I think we've got to do is the Commission has got to set a policy here and charge the Manager with fulfulling it. Now he'll come back and he'll say here is what you are going to have to do. Here's where you have to bite and here's where you have to swallow. Here's my recommendation and then we have to except it or reject it. Now, we reject his recommendation then I would agree that it's time for them to Mr. Charles Hall: Can I make one comment your honor? Mayor Ferre: Please. Mr. Charles Hall: You know, I think it's important to examine the philosophy that the City Manager is using. He handed us a document showing fifteen items and I think it's very indicative of their philosophy. Number fifteen(15) on here is the employee's raise. Number 15. I think it's painly unfair to put the employee in the position of trying to run the City Government. Someday 1 hope that the employee will be in some other priority other than last and all the argment will be about where you're going to settle some of the other priorities, instead of the employees. Mayor Ferre: Now, Charlie Hall wait a moment. Mr. Charles Hall; If the increase is justified, Mayor Ferre: I got to stop you I'm sorry, because I'll tell you you know just as well as I do that numbers don't mean anything when you're on the left side. What's important is the numbers on the right side. Now, don't come telling me that you're last when you happen to be 3 million 400 thousand out of 3 million 968. Mr. Hall; Your honor I only pointed it to out to show and hope to show the thinking of the management as to where people come as opposed to things and I think it is indicative of that. Mayor Ferre; -- -- yoy don't have to answer that please, The Manager, cause r-- hey I'm with you, but I'm going to tell you that the Manager is not the one that said this, this is the Commission going down - Mr, Andrews; So you critize them then, Mayor Ferre; So what I'm saying is this is the Commission and out of the total 4 million dollars, 3' ;pillion dollars is going to you so you know , 21 $ P 2a1975 tdr. Hall: .htat one further comment your honor. The Coat of living for the lest ealander year was in attest of 12%. Moms in months past that soft annuai rate of the cost of living has been as high as 14%. tom, the area that tite employees are taikifig it is approximately half of that °cost tf living. 14111 approximately half f it. And I think were in at extremely reasonable position, both in terms of what we're asking for and in terms of compatibility in our job rrarkat. Mayor Petrel I happen to be in agreement with you in that last atatetnent. How. ever, I think it's important that we always walk on the path tf righteousness and that we say it the may it is. You're getting tore than half. You're getting more than half of 12✓ but I happen to egree with and i want to et preen my opinion publicly. 1, natter one, 1 do not want to increase tastes. dumber two, tyrant to find $2560OO. b0 to do 'what I think it fair which is what you're recommending. Number three, that means it's got to tome from within the budget and therefore I and I'tn just expressing my opinion I'm willing to vote to instruct the Manager to find these funds from within the budget which deans that we're going to have to reduce some service rather than for me to tell the Manager what service to reduce let hits come back and tell us on his order of priorities which is the one that he's willing to reduce, Mr. Andrews: And with that direction that includes police, fire and sanitation. Mayor Ferre: Everything. I don't think we can preclude you from looking into the total budget. 3.., COST OP _LIVING .INCREASES FOR RETIREES Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Manager as long as were talking along these lines and it hasn't come yet. The group hasn't come before us yet but _ if you're going to consider finding some we ought to find a little bit more for the retirees they're the persons that are hurting very, very badly from the cost of living increases and the fixed incomes that a great number of them are living with. I would like if it's possible for you to explore that too. Mr. Plummer: Well, let me--- Mr. Mayor, are you going to ask for a motion of intent? Mayor Ferre: I am. Mr. Plummer: All right and then let me see if maybe I can't resolve it. Let's see what the intent is. Mr. Andrews: You got one more employee organization that you should hear from in addition to police and fire so that they know that they're not excluded from this process. Mayor Ferre: Do any other employee organization wished to be heard at this time? Mr. Mike Cominsky: The executive treasurer asked me -- we've only had also had three meetings, also only got two offers, no bargaining. We're backing police and fire. Mayor Ferre: All right, anybody else want to be heard at this time? Mr. Jim Johnston: With the Sanitation Employees. Mr. Mayor, Mrs. Gordon, members of the Commission. We have reached a tentative accord with the city reluctantly we have reached which has been explained to you. I just want to make a point that if there is something to be found for this $356,000.00 that we've reached the bottom as far as we can go in compromising. We have had some $225,000.00 since May 1st where we compromised there, where we lost some 70 people, standby laborers through a compromise we went up to 25 people. We need an additional 10, which has been outlined by Mr. Andrews. The new budget calls for a cut of some 780,000 dollars from sanitation and no cut from any other departments that we can see. So our only point is that (I hope you're not going to look to us) for any of this cut because it just isn't there as far as we're concerned. Mayor Ferre; Well, I'm sure every department feels the same way, that's why the Manager wants the full prerogative of looking at the whole city budget and I think it has to have that, Mr, Johnston; Would the Commission's direction also include the Manager's budget? Mayor Ferre; Everything in the budget, (repeat) A11 right, now is there a motion; What's the will of this Commission, I recommend that a motion be made instructing the Manager to look into the budget and find on a priority basis $356,O09.QO for the purpose of giving the city employees the cost of living that has been discussed here today and if possible secondarily to see if in any way in which the retired 22 SEP 231975 eMPloYaes get up to 1% it that order. / mould te vote for it ad t would recommend that somebody make such a WHAM if possible. rather btout Mt. Mayors what if he can't find it/ Mayor Perm: Then he'll tome back and say that he can't fired it and uhat he's then saying is that he's nt going to take oft the responsibility and he passes that responsibility 6ft to the CetiMialti6t* but if that happens t mould imagifte it's the first time that I can recall ift history that I've teat such a thing happen. Now it could happen that's the Manager's decision. tut we've got to give him the alternative before we do anything. rather Gibson: But Mr. Mayor, let the ask another thiftg. Suppose the Manager cotes back and he says / found a $100,000.00 and in order for this City to be run effectively and profitiefttly this is all I could find. Mayor Ferret That's the point we have to take a decision it. So gill the employee groups have to make that decision. rather Gibson: Well, I hope as we say to the Manager find $356,000.00. Mr. Manager I at not speaking for anybody but Theodore 1 would hope that at no time you will sacrifice the efficient operating of this City because we want to find $356,000.00 or otherwise I would hope ift your recommending to us you will say to us if I do other than this , this City will not be efficiently operating. I think if you say this to him I could live with a :notion send it back to him, but I just don't think - for instance, likely this is you'd say to the sanitation worker, say you know man I'm going to cut you down and those fellows don't have the same bargaining powers those other fellows other there. And I just want to make sure that everybody understands that where Gibson is coming from I want everybody to be treated reasonably fair and right because you have said repeatedly we don't have very many things to sell to the public to maintain and retain this City and I hope that the things we have to sell will be the things that we will not abandon, that's all I'm saying. Now, if state the motion I'd be glad to make it providing it is expressly understood. Mayor Ferre: Father, I want to express my opinion on this thing. There's a formula that's a really very simple formula, it's really a very simple formula. On the one side of the formula you have the citizens that is the taxpayers. Everybody pays taxes directly or indirectly. And they pay a tax and they receive a service. 0n the other side you have the City, which is 3,700 employees, they render a service and they get paid for that service. Now, in that delicate balance between these things we have to decide what priorities we have. Now, we don't want to cut down on service and taxpayers I'm sure don't want service cut down. 0n the other hand the taxpayers don't want to pay more taxes. 0n this side we want to render an efficient service and to do that in my opinion we have to have people that make a living wage. Now, like everything else there comes a time where you have to make decisions, we all, the Manager, and the Commission has-- the decision that we've got to make is at what point does one make the other one also go down. Now, in my order of priorities and I'm telling this to the employees my first order of priorities I do not want to vote for a tax increase and that's my first order of priority. Number two, I want to see that the employees receive a decent wage, tha to me - if they don't get a cost of living increase, that means that they are going to be reduced in what they're taking home to pay and feed their families and live a decent life. Now, to me that has a psychological impact which is more important than anything else after the taxpayers and the reason is because if the employees are demoralized in anyway because they feel pressed. Then I think that's the first level where service is reduced and to me after them save cutting the taxpayers I want to try to safe- guard the employees as much as possible because that is the City of Miami in the long run. The City of Miami is not the Parks and it isn't the police equipment in the new building that we've building. It's the employees that are rendering a service to the people and as long as that service is a class one service then this city is going to survive, And the moment that it doesn't render a fruit- ful service to the citizens, that's when we start going down the drain and there- fore that's why I give it this type of priority and that's just my position. I'm just one out of five here, I would again recommend that we instruct the Manager to try to find the $356,000.00 and come back to this Commission if possible if we can't then we'll have to cross that bridge then. If obviously, listen we're not -- the charter doesn't say that we can force the Manager, we can't think for him, He is an entity unto himself, mr, Plummer; Mr, Mayor, aren't we really saying we're going to send him back to the Manager, Mr. Manager, we want you to try to find the 353 and come back to this Commission and tell us if you can and if you can what has to give. Isn't that what we were really saying? 23 SEP 2 1975 Mayor Perth: ThatIt exactly what we're telling them. Mr. Plummet: till move such a motion. lather Gibson: Mr. Mayor, I'll be delighted to second the motion providing the Manager uaderatandt the spirit in which this motion is being patted. Mayor Petit: I think he underatatidt. Mt. Andrews: 1 underatand. 1 feS1... Father Gibson: Ok. t just don't want to be up here pressuring anybody to do the impossible. 1 don't want you to do the impossible anymore than hit but we find ourselves in a bind and Mr. Mayor, let The say this, 1 want my fellow taloi payers to understand too now that they you know-- they too got to understand. Ok, the motion is seconded. bon't say no more Plummer, leave me alone. Mr. Plummer: No, no, let me say something because it's very brief. There is no going to be a tax increase period. Mrs. Gordon: Ok. May 1 ask another question with regard to the retirees, is that included in your motion? Mr. Plummer: 1 thought we were just talking to this and then we were going to Tony Wilcox is --- Mrs. Gordon: We're gojng to take each one as they come. Mayor Ferre: As far as I'm concerned I'm perfectly willing to vote on both oE these things together on a one, two basis but / want Tony to understand that as much as I appreciate your position. To me right now and I'm for you but I think this other matter has to take priority and that's just my position as of right now. So, if you put it on a one, two basis fine. I'm not excluding it. I wouldn't but that's something to --- that's up to the maker of the motion. Father Gibson: Well, Mr. Mayor since I seconded the motion -- J.L. why don't you make the motion to find both items, instructing the Manager to find both items and then give them 1,2, you see. Mr. Plummer: Father, I thought we were going to here at 7, Mr. Wilcox has not even spoken on behalf of the retirees. If he's not going to speak - do you want it included in the motion. The maker accepts it. Father Gibson: Mr. Wilcox, I'm your friend. Man tell the man to put both of them together. You don't have to --- that's simple. Mr. Plummer: Fine, that was not the intent. The intent was we were going to have a line hearing from the employees and then we were going to hear from the retireed employees. Mrs. Gordon: We might --not be able to build that thing out there you know. We might find 2 million and a half. Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission, now we're about ---- talking about $536,000.00. Mayor Ferre: Well, now, you know, the way I put it - the way I would vote for it is on a 1-2 basis. If you put them altogether, that's 536-- and I don't see that we're going to have that kind of money. Father Gibson; I think you ought to come back and see if we do this. This is what it will be. If we do this, this is what it's going to be and at the same time look for both factors. Mayor Ferre; I read you. Ok, I go with that. Mr, Plummer; How come you didn't go with it 10 minutes ago? Mayor Ferre: Well, because Father just explained it to me. Father Gibson; Ok, J,L, don't worry. Mayor Ferre; It makes sense, This man is a preacher and when he preaches what's preaching, preaching is explaining , 1 just got the message that's all, 2 4 SEP 2 1975 Pther Cibsont You know those fellows that bury the dead don't explain they Just put them down! (laughingly) Mr. Plummer As long as Mr. Mayor, you always understand that your dying is my iivingi.,.-L (laughter) Mayor Ferret All right, we have a motion and a second. Everybody understand the notion. Call the roll oft the motions The following potion teas introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who mooted its adoption: MOTION NO. 75=849 A MOTION REQUESTING T11E CITY MANAGER TO EXAMINE THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND To SELECT, ON A PROPERTY BASIS, FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OP $856$000.00 FOR THE PURPOSE OP AFFORDING A COST OF LIVING INCREASE FOR CITY EMPLOYEES BASED ON A FORMULA OP SIX PER CENT. BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 1975, AND AN ADDITIONAL TWO PER CENT. BEGINNING IN APRIL OP 1976; AND AS A SEPARATE FIGURE FUNDS IN AN APPROXIMATE AMOUNT Or $1800000.00 FOR T11E PURPOSE OF PROVIDING A PENSION INCREASE FOR RETIRED CITY EMPLOYEES OF APPROXIMATELY ONE PER CENT. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice -Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. Ms. Mona Lighte: In listening to the discussion of Miami with a public face which is for tourist in a private face which is the business that is going on here. We wish that you would consider raising our request to closer to our original request to $16,300. I think I would like you to be aware of three additional facts. Commissioner Gordon you asked me when I appeared before you last time what the County had done? At that time I was not able to answer you but I am very pleased to answer you that the County conceded a full budget to us. We requested $20,300.00. We received $20,300.00. Mayor Ferre: The County? Ms. Mona Lighte: The County? Mayor Ferre: The County gave you $20,300.00? Ms. Mona Lighte: The County did. Mayor Ferre: Well, that's wonderful. (repeated) Congratulations. Ms. Mona Lighte: Secondly... stop doing arithmetic over here Mr, Andrews. Secondly in presenting Miami as the tourist city that it is with the commitment from the State Department to host this Bicentennial event here. We have received from five federal agencies a commitment of $95,000.00 to bring South American and Latin American women here so that our conference will be a very good mix of those people from without the continental United States as well as from within. Thirdly, on a projection of a thousand women at $50.00 of registration fee, plus the figures that Mr, Price gave you of what men spend at a convention and adding to that what women are expected to spend, The City of MIami can expect a great deal of money to accrue to it which will make the revenues for the services that you have just been asked for increased, it will further do something very important, You are interested in revitalizing Down- town Miami, a convention such as this does a great deal to revitalize and point the attention of the world to Downtown Miami, l ask you please to (J.L, what are you doing with a calculator?), I ask you please to consider raising this request particularly since other requests have been honored we know from the community project funds, This should be your most significant community project fund for the coming year, As l said, particularly since other projects have been funded from the community project's funds we have been waiting here since 2 SP231975 before 9 thia morning and we are grateful for thin opportunity 6ft behalf of the lioard of Directora t6 appear before you aftd make thia mutat. Thatta all this is a self geteracitg kind of event and it need tome need money to get ttarted. We have our Eitel-- ifteidettly, ue have our fuftding document which is twelve papa with a four page budget that lite been sett off to 50 foutidatiota and if you figured 5c a page you can begin tb see why we need this help it preparitg our tateriala. Mayor Ferret Well, let me tell you / •at gratified tot surprised because t think I know you tell etough by no tO know that youire goitg to succeed, that you have achieved $115,000.00 is just taghificett. Ms. Lighte No, 1 haven't achieved $115,000.00. Mayor Ferret Well $9020.-..... Ms. Lightet We have not been able yet to prepare our materials to reach out to women to tome here. We are well on the uty. We have a total budget of over $200,000.00. When you realize that this entire focus is going to be in the City of Miami I think its worth consideration at this point of tore than $3,000.00. $16,500 was a moderate sum to cote it. Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Andrews, isn't there monies availables for this kind of promotional type of service through some grant unties that we as a City could apply for or receive? Ms. Lighte : No, we need some cash at this point. We have been receiving incline services. We need some cash to pay the printers. We need cash to prepare the materials, we need cash to send out materials. We have for example, since we last seen you received a letter from the archbishop who has appointed a liaison person to this and who says that through the archbishop's council of Latin America we can have the kind of outreach we need into the Catholic Community. This is just one aspect. We need material to reach these people. Mr. Plummer: May I ask a question of the Manager, just for my own thinking? Mr. Manager do I understand that this funding which you show here is funding through the regular budget? All right. Yes sir, I understand but this is in the regular budget. All right, sir. Now, may I ask of you as I go down these items and we look at the difference of what was requested by either the department or the Commission. There are 1,2,3,4,5,6 items in which what the Commission requested you reduced, all right, sir? Now, is there any reason that these items which total $245,000.00 could not come out of the revenue sharing budget? Mr. Andrews: If they were to come from the REvenue Sharing Budget you'd have to change programing in the --- Mr. Plummer: I understand that, but isn't it possible--- now -you know, I'm going to get back Mr. Mayor and I harped on this before but I think I heard someone from the Sanitation Department, not the director who feels that the bulk call -in transfer could be handled in assimilated in the regular pick-up and that within itself is $160,000.00. Do you understand what I'm trying to say Mr. Mayor, am I out of the ball park? Mr. Jones, give us the bottom line, if we cut out that bulk service pick-up, can that be assimilated in the regular pick-up assuming that we're giving you 10 new stand-bys, what serious- ness does it do? Mr. C. Jones: Yes, it's possible but --- It's possible to do that Mr. Plummer but I would prefer not to because we're going to mkae some changes in the service. We have to when the transfer station is built and I think that ---- the call -in service is going to fit in with our new program, you see. Mr. Plummer: In Other words, what you're saying is that the call -in service cannot be incorporated in the normal pick-up is that what you're saying? Mr, C. Jones: I'm saying that I don't want to do that, alat's right. Mr, Plummer; That isn't what I asked, Mr, C. Jones; Not and have the same service, no. Mr, Andrews; You couldn't render the same service that we have. There's no way for him through the regular pick-up process to pick up these materials, It just won't work. SEP 2 3 1975 Mt. Purer: All right, that's my answer. but Paul, let me tell you something old buddys ilm going to tell this whole CoMitittabft and everybody that Cants to listen. 1 want those 18 policemen you know it's beautiful to put up all the sodium vapor lights but to Hie when you put the two down together and I've been the strongest backer on this Co mission for the sodium vapor lighting. %41 at the hell good is it if you don't have the policemen on the street to see what's going on? Mona, there is no Otte in this Cotmmisaion that is any stronger for the eodium vapor lighting than t am but if 1 have to equate shaking $200,000.00 out of the sodium vapor funds to put those 18 policemen on the street, there's no question which way I'm going to vote, ok. The Chief says that his legitimate request was for 16 ten and 2 sergeants and I'm probably going to go down battling to this tan in particular that's important. Ms. Mona tighte: We're trying to bring a 1,000 people here. Mr. Plummer: No, no, Mona, you're talking about a different ball game. you should be sitting down you're not involved in this conversation. Mr. Andrews: Mt. Mayor and members of the Commission in due respect to what Vice Mayor, Plummer is bringing out down the Commission better take a stand on this because this adds almost another $200.000 and now we're be up to 3/4 of a million dollars that I'll be looking for so you gotto to tell me where the bottom line is. Mr. Plummer: Excuse me Paul, no, please I'm not giving you directions in that area. We were speaking to the regular budget. I'm speaking to the yellow of the budget. Mayor Ferre: Well, we're running out of time right now we're now beginning to -Y-- I'll tell you as far as I'm concerned I'm not going for anything more than what we've already outlined. Mr. Plummer: Please, I'm not trying to change that at all hr. Mayor. Mayor Ferre: What he's talking about Paul is not today, is it? Mr. Plummer: Not necessarily because we're not even talking about general revenue money.... Mayor Ferre: Well then why get into it right now if it's Revenue Sharing? Mr. Plummer: All right, I'll bring it up later. Mayor Ferre: All right, now back to Mona Lighte, quickly. Anything else you want to add? Ms. Mona Lighte: No. Mayor Ferre: Then, let's recognize this lady. Ms. Mona Lighte: I would like to know what this position is? Mayor Ferre: you certainly will, but I think out of courtesy the other lady has been waiting since 9:00, we gotta listen to her, because Rose- has to go. 3, E MNIATIOgNALy ialNDItAN ARTSHOWrepresent t eIMl oUK su E OWN TLnld ns of rlorida. we are located approximately 40 miles west of Miami here in Dade County. After sitting here listening to your budgeting and your allocations and your limitations I'm sort of glad we don't have Miami and Miami Beach anymore , you guys can have it and all the problems that go with it. In the true light of friendship we would like to invite a sort of Bicentennial type arts and crafts show - a national indian art show. I think that all across the country American Indian Tribes do not have the repore with their state, their city and their federal governments that need to be their in order to be more communicative and more educational. So we are going to have this art show and we came here with the intentions of re- questing some of your number 9 Bicentennial money ($5,000,00) that I see outlined here on the right hand side, but I'm going to change my request to the Commission. I'd like to ask the Commission to support us in any possible way you can, If its possible that you can help us out in terms of money or services or public inform- ation we'll certainly take it and appreciate it but I'm not going to ask you for any type of an allocation in this area, because I can see that you're having, — the pie is being sliced quite small as it is right now, so I'll leave it to you 27 SEP 231975 and t think that even tore so than this the people who are here on your toission have possibly other resources that we may be able to look to and if SO ve would appreciate that if you could direct these resources to us for this National Indian Art Show. Thank you very much. Mayor Pierre: Thank you very mmth, Mrs Plummer: Avery fair may of putting it, Mrs, Gordon: You didn't say then it mill take place. Ms. Peggy Harnett. This will take plate the 27th, 26th, and 20th •of December, and we will have art ehibition Indians artist from all over the country. Mrs. Gordon: Where att M64 Barnett: At the Micosukee Indian keversation, 40 miles west of Miami, and oils will be reflective basically of the past 200 years of the short period of time for us: But this will be reflective of our ancestry heritage far longer that 200 years, but we hope to share this with you. I'm sure that most of you knots that your children are not receiving a very basic education in American Indian Arts or American Indian History, and this mould be a perfect opportunity for us to present to you the American Indian side of it and we would appreciate any type of help that you could give us at this time. And I think that we're going to present a program that will be able to bring in some money if we put it on in a way that will want to get people out there, through the schools, through the colleges and through different organizations, so any may that you can help us we'll certainly appreciate it. Thank you. Mr. Andrews: Mr, Mayor, Excuse me, I did to get that lady's full name and where I can reach her. The way the City can help is through Publicity and other areas help advertising and directing and I think that we can really off -set their request through in-house help. Mr. Plummer: All right, is that agreeable to her? I make a motion that we through in -kind services help this lady to the intent that we can. Mrs. Gordon: I'll second that motion. Mayor Ferre: I think its a very worthwhile cause. There's a motion and a second. Further discussion, call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 75-850 A MOTION EXPRESSING THE POLICY OF THE COMMISSION THAT THE CITY OF MIAMI ASSIST IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE WITHOUT SPENDING TAXPAYERS' MONEY THE NATIONAL INDIAN ART SHOW SPONSORED BY THE MICOSUKEE INDIAN TRIBE ON DECEMBER 27TH, 28TH, AND 29TH, 1975. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner (Rev,) Theodore Gibson Vice -Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr. Mayor Maurice A, Ferre NOES: None. SEP 2a 1975 -410 4GOLF STARTER POSITIONS DISCUMON ITEM Mt. Plutmef: Mr. Mayor, we have another item here. Mr. Manager, there is a letter whibh I think every eb flissiot er teceived about the proposal it: the Starter Pbeitibhs at the golf courses which are to be taken froth a full time jbb to a part time job. It is the Cbhtentibh of the SLgtiers of thin letter that it is going to do serious damage to the golf course b egatioh. Ate you the the that gave tie that letter bo you waist to speak tb thiO l thUk Ws got tb be heard. Mr. Charles Pfeifer: We the starters at the golf course feel that the proposal ih the budget that is to cut the budget ih actuality tail eventually cost the city Mire Money. They are taking 1:0 full time positions, moving thefts or if they retire, to other positions in the city and replacing them with part the employees. All you're doing ih this ,is shiftif g the a1touiit of money you're spending in one department to another department and still increasthg the pay- roll in the department by having to hire new employees. We feel that part time etnpioyees who would riot be covered under insurance and pension as such would hot provide the services that full time employees would. We feel that there are other ways than cutting personnel and services ih a department to cut expenses. Mayor Pierre: Anybody want to make a statement? Mr. Al Howard, Director of Parks & Recreation: One of the problems that the commission faced previously was the reasoning for the loss of revenue at the golf courses. One of the basic reasonings is the full time personnel that we have there that are not necessary throughout the year. Golf is seasonal in Miami. In the summertime we have very few players in comparison to the winter yet we're maintaining a full time starting staff which is basically not necessary. We feel that we can reduce the budgets at each golf course approximately $50,000 which is about what we've been loosing over the past few years. We can operate just as efficiently with part time starters as we can with full time starters. These men will slide into existing opening within the department in our department and other departments. The budget will not increase. As a matter of fact it will reduce. Now most of your golf courses private and public do not use full time starters. It is a seasonal type of operation and there are times when we need men - two or three men; there are times we can get by with one but at the present time we must continue with the men that we have, Therefore, cutting back on our income and revenues in the golf courses. We feel this way we can have an efficient operation. These men will have the opportunity to go into jobs - they will not lose any money, they will receive the same fringe benefits, the same money. But we can operate the golf courses then at a gain which we cannot do now. (INAUDIBLE QUESTION) No, I feel as a matter of fact quite opposite. I feel because we call part time people in when we need them we can have them there at peak periods and this is when we can help the golf courses. There is no :question about full time personnel being good for the golf course but there are times 6 months from the year we don't need the personnel that we have yet we must pay these people and none of your private golf courses operate in this manner. Mr. Pfeifer: We're talking about only 9 men in which we have one which is going to retire. We had 10 men. One is going to retire the 30th of this month. Now I don't know how many people here are golfers, have ever been to a private or a semi private golf course and what it takes to get on that golf course. Here we're dealing with 9 Civil Service personnel. I can truthfully say that I would think the managers would say trusted personnel and when you're dealing with the private or semi -private golf course it is known among the golfing world before you can play that golf course you generally have to dig deep into your pockets. I'd like for you all to take that into consideration. You're only dealing with 9 people, only 9. Up north golf is seasonal winter months close down, We are here year around, 365 days a year, holidays, Christmas, whatever holiday it may be. But we are there so you take that into consideration I would hope, You're only dealing with 9 men that have given dedicated service to the City of Miami from 18 years up until going on 6 years I've been here and I've worked with all these men at both golf courses, Mr, Plummer; Aren't all of these men protected by Civil Service? Mr, Pfeifer; I would think so, Mr, Howard; They will fit into either the Recreation Department, the Pars 0ivis- 4on,,, Mr, Plummer; These men are not losing their jobs? 29 Mr. Howard: No, they're not, Mrs Pfeifer: 'Ho, sit~, this is not basically what were worried abort, We're worried about the loss of revenue to the city try this. Mow you're dealing with approxiMate .y SOO to '$6b0,' bC a year at both molt` oouraeas Now this is entrust' ing this amount of money into the hands of people who have nib real benefits from the city other than the fadt that they're getting a pay cheek. Mr. toward: If 1 may, excuse pie, brie of the things I would like to say that Marvin said earlier, maybe true in other areas about going deep into your pocket and either giving a starter a St bill at a bottle of scotch. He's making an aesurnpt ion here which l know and say will not happen to the city golf courses. tt has not happened. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Howard. gait a minute., 1 didn't hear him say that. He said dig deep in your pocket.... Mr. Howard: In the golfing world this is what he was inferring. It has hot happened, it will not happen. One of the things that we see is the efficiency and more revenue coming into the golf courses. Mr. Plummer: I accept that but I didn''t hear hiin say anything about scotch or a $5 bill. Mr. Andrews: Well, he said dig deep in your pocket. Mr. Plummer Well, if you dig deep in my pocket you're going to come up with about 3 cents. Mr. Andrews: Well, I think there was an implication there. Mr. Plummer: I understand, but let's not put words in the man's mouth. Mr. Howard: One of the things we will maintain the efficiency we have now. There is no question as I said before that we have efficient personnel and a good operat- ion but we can still have that operation with good part time personnel. As a matter of fact some of these men would be able to work part time at the golf course even though they have a job with the city in other departments or our department. Mr. Plummer: What you're saying is then in fact is to try it this way, if it doesn't work out then you would come back and make other recommendations. Mr. Howard: I think it would work out but that would be the gist of it, yes. On the guarantee - excuse me - that no man is going to lose his job or any benefits he has whatsoever. Mr. Plummer: Except the deep part of his pocket. Mayor Ferre: What is the will of the commission? Mr. Plummer: Well, I don't think anybody up here has chased golf balls around the golf course. I don't know really what is going on if you want the truth. Mayor Ferre: Well, I'll tell you that's the best statement I've heard so far today and I congratulate you for it and I concur with it. Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the commission... Mayor Ferre: And I address it to myself and not to you. In other words I'm just as ignorant as you are. Mr, Plummer: I'll take exception to that. Mayor Ferre; I was trying to be generous to you but if you insist then I would agree, Mr, Andrews; I realize the commission is in the position of approving a budget process which denotes the number of permanent or part time personnel and the amounts of those budgets which will then reflect how golfing activities in the City of Miami will operate but you're either going to look to me and to Mr. Howard to operate that golf course or you're going to look to the employees to tell you how, Mayor Ferre; Or the private sector, + C SEA 2 31975 rid, Mt, Andrews: Mtigiti either one Now we're trying to do the tight thing by the employees and we've worked out a plan whieh we think is its the vet beat interest of the City 'ot Miami and we should be permitted to go ahead with it. Mt. Plummet: Mt. Andrewal you know as the outside if the plan doesn't work do we have the aaaurante that you would come back before this commiasion to ask for thangea. Mayor Perm: Certainly. Mr. Andrews: sure. Mr. Plummet: What he is really saying to you acid I hope you go away understand Ing; it is not within the l urview of this tta tissibti to tell the Manager how to run the city,. Mr. Pfeifer: We understand that, we'd just like to make the commission aware of pertain facts that could in tile future change this. Mr. Plummer: We understand but We are not empowered to do anything. 1 hope you understand that, sir. Mr. Pfeifer: I understand. Mayor Ferret Alright, is there anything else? Mr. 1teb N o LI I #y+Wit Nc i y a ve g (1n tagtin Directory. Mayor Ferret We have that and we have Mona Lighte. I think we can cover that with Revenue Sharing. Mr. Plummer: Sure. NOTE: Commissioner Gordon left the meeting at 3:50 P.M. Mayor Ferret I agree with you and I agree with you, and now is that applicable to Mona Lighte to? Mr. Plummer: Sure. It's going to have to be. Mayor Ferre: You understand what he's saying? Mr Plummer: In other words Mona you get $3,000 out of the rest of the budget . Mayor Ferre: And you come to bat again. Mr. Plummer: And you come to bat again for the additional $13,200 under Revenue Sharing. Mayor Ferre: In other words you got two swings at it. This is one, you grap three on this one. Ms. Mona Lighte: And there's no way of increasing this now? We would like to sell this booklet by the way. Mayor Ferre: What it is -- see you're on the merry-go-round, now you went about once and grap three and now you got to come around again, you get one more --- Ms. Mona Lighte: Yes, but this is a volunteer effort and you know, you're taking this time and we have been here now or we'd come or will we have a time certain for Revenue Sharing or what? We did not have a time certain for this today, Mayor Ferret You well, because this is a different process and that process is a process where the City of Miami decides what to do with the 1 million 130 thousand dollars of Revenue Sharing and there you will be on a agenda with a number. Now, I can't tell you with the time, but I'll tell you with the agenda. Mr, Manager, since she did wait since 9:00 in the morning here patiently with us 1 think that she should be first on the agenda of Revenue Sharing, ok? Mr, Plummer; Well, but now, what she was just saying was very true Mr, Mayor, It is my hope Mr. Manager that on Thursday when we meet in regular commission meeting at such time you will set a date for the hearing of the public for the 1 million and one-half dollars of Social- Services, has that been set? Ms. Mona tightel hoes the VAMilialm realise that when a request such as oura cotes before you the amounts of money collected are totaled in such A way as to make additional funding from other foundations said multi -nation corporationa in municipalities easier and we would feel again that since there has been something given to you without any money invested on the part of the publicity of prevention bureau that you could be mate generous in your cash. usually, as 1 said before, the publicity manager or your convention manager who sees not to be existante goes and solicit eheae things. This was done on a volunteer basis. This is sort of the present after the fact. and 1 would hope Commissioner Plummier that you would be able to recognise the effects of the volunteers i your community as well as the public serviceemployees. Mayor Ferret Atten. Mr. Plummer: Mona, let me ask one final question, then 1'l.l be quite. ghat is the bottom line? You know, you've got $3,060, you're looking for $1302006 can you settle for $10? Ms. Mona Lighter Yes. Mr. Plummer: Ok. That's what I need to know. Mayor Ferrer Well, then I don't aunt to snucker Yter.dy. I thank you for doing that and you see, that's what an honest man is he came over and he told me you better be careful because you're not going to be able to listen to her legally under Revenue Sharing. Thank you, that's an honest man. He could have just kept quite and we could of gone --' and then at that tithe---- Mr. Andrews: There's no way that we can accommodate -- Mr. Plummer: Mr. Manager, the Mayor's going to be able to steal some of my thunder I'm happy to announce to you which I was going to do Thursday that of the money delegated to the North American Boxing games the $15,000 there is going to be monies returned and we are going to try to -present you with a check on Thursday, through the diligent efforts and the hard work of Al Howard, Dick Lee and Coconut Grove Cares we didn't use all of the money for the North American Boxing games, not Golden Gloves now, ok. There would be --- Mr. Manager we have talked to the nice young lady there and she feels that the 3 that you've afforded her and 3 more will be adequate. Now, can we give her the impression that when we return the check on Monday that the 3 can come from that? Mayor Ferre: Mona you just got your extra 3 thousand, so now you have 6. Mr. Plummer: Well, I make a motion Mr. Mayor that the additional 3 thousand be given to the organization just spoken about the Women Hemispheric -- Mayor Ferre: All right, there is a motion on the floor. Seconded by Reboso. Further discussion call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 75-851 A MOTION OF INTENT TO MAKE AVAILABLE FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,000.00 FROM MONIES TO BE RETURNED TO THE CITY FROM THOSE HERETOFORE PROVIDED FOR THE NORTH AMERICAN CONGRESS FOR WOMEN, AND TO PLACE THE REMAINDER OF FUNDS REQUESTED BY SAID ORGANIZATION AS THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS WHEN THE COMMISSION CONSI- DERS THE ALLOCATION OF FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING FUNDS FOR SOCIAL SERVICES. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Plummer, Mr, Reboso, Reverend Gibson, and Mayor Ferro, NOES: None, ABSENT: Mrs, Gordon, 32 Mr. RebbAdt no you have another 0.000 for the Latit American? Mayor Perre: Father Gibson seconds that aft additiaftal $2.000 be given to the Latin American OdiAa. Mr. Plummer: I can tell you that there are sufficient Rinds there. yea. Mayor Perre: There's a 'MUM and A second. Further discussion call the roll. Mr. •Southern: I've already called the roll Mr. Mayor. Mayor Perre: No. this IS on the the second. Mr. Reboso: The second motion. Mr. Southern: oh, on the Latin -- Mayor Ferret Latin Guide an additional $20000. Mr. Southern: All right. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Reboso, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 75-852 A MOTION OF INTENT TO MAKE AVAILABLE FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,000.00 FROM MONIES TO BE RETURNED TO THE CITY FROM THOSE HERETOFORE PROVIDED FOR THE NORTH AMERICAN BOXING GAMES TO PAY FOR CITY ADVERTIS- ING IN THE LATIN DIRECTORY WHICH IS TO BE PUBLISHED IN THE COMING YEAR. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Plummer, Mr. Reboso, Reverend Gibson, and Mayor Ferre. NOES: None. ABSENT: Mrs. Gordon. Mayor Ferre: I heard a motion now, that the rest of those monies be turned over to the publicity department. Father Gibson: I move. Mayor Ferre: Father Gibson moves. Reboso seconds that the remaining funds that Mr. Plummer just found and is turning over to the Publicity Department. This is for the Publicity Department for Latin American promotions. Mr. Andrews: Because we have to prepare a appropriation ordinance. This is money we're receiving so we have to appropriate, otherwise it all flows to the general fund. We'll have an appropriation ordinance ready so that you can appropriate these monies that you receive at the point of receipt of the funds. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gibson, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 75-853 A MOTION OF INTENT TO ALLOCATE THE BALANCE OF FUNDS REMAINING FROM MONIES TO BE RETURNED TO THE CITY FROM THOSE HERETOFORE PROVIDED FOR THE NORTH AMERICAN BOXING GAMES, AFTER HAVING BEEN REDUCED BY MOTIONS 75-851 AND 75-852, TO THE PUBLICITY DEPARTMENT. upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote; AYES; Mr, Plummer, Mr, Reboso, Reverend Gibson, and Mayor Ferre. NOS; None, ADSENT; Mrs, Gordon' SEP 2 3 1975 Mayor Fertet Anything elae to tome up before thie Commiaaioh7 Mr. Lloyd. Mr, Mayor 1 am ready to render a very brief legal opitiioh an whether or tot to exceed 4 trill provision •f the City Charter with reapeot to pehaiot~ta come within the 10 mill cap. Mayor Ferret Mate a very itnpottaht. Mr. Lloyd: It does, it tomes within the 10 tills. Itts hot outside of it.. Mayor Ferret l would be flabbergasted and atnat,ed if it didn't, Mr.. Lloyd: yes sir. Mayor Ferre So that makes that our decision fairly easy. Shifted from the left pocket to the right pocket. Mr. Lloyd: Right. At).tOUR 1M t4T There being no further business to come before the City Commission, on notion duly made and seconded, the meeting vas adjourned at: 4:10 O'Clock P. M. ATTEST: H. D. SOUTHERN City Clerk RALPH G. ONGIE Assistant City Clerk MAURICE A. FERRE Mayor $ P 231975