HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC 1975-05-08 MinutesOF MEETING HELD ON MAY 8, 1975
MINUTES ES OF REGULAR MEETING
CITY COMMISSION OF MITI, FLORIDA
ITEM NO. SUBJECT
4.
URGE SCHOOL COMMUNITY CONCERN-tmoortande
Of funding by FLORIDA LEGISLATURE
ORDINANCE OR
RESOLUTION NO.
R75'430
PAGE NO,
BOXING PROGRAM -Guiders Gloves Tournament
March 4.5,6 and 25,26,27 ORANGE BOWL STADIUM M75-431 a.3
DISCUSSION OF ORDINANCE AMENDMENToRd. 8038 Discussion -4
PLASMAPHERISIS CONTROLS-Acooint Committee 175-432
•DETERMINE FEASIBILITY OF SALE OP ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGES AT MELREESE GOLF COURSE M75433
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6. LITTLE RIVER COMMERCIAL CENTER
Change of Zoning
Referred back to Planning Department M75-434 9---18'
7. PUBLIC HEARING- 'Widening Bayshore Drive So.
Alatka to 17th Avenue
R-Turn onto 17 Avenue and closing entrance
to Bay Heights at Tigertail 18--35'
8. FIRE SERVICE RECOGNITION DAY 35
8(a) DEFER EXTENSION OF VARIANCE 101 S.W. 15 Rd. 35
9. DEFER CH.ZON.CLASS.-S.Dixie,27th Ave,Bird 35
10. ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK -Tennis Courts
Resurfacing and Revlacement R75-435 36
11. ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK -Coconut Grove Marina
Modifications 1974 R75-436 36
12. ACCEPT COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION
LeJeune Gardens Sanitary Sewer Imp.SR-5315 R75-437 37
13. ORDERING RESOLUTION-S.W.8 Ave.Sidewalk ImP. R75-438 37
14. REORDERING RESOLUTION -West GraPeland R75-439
Heights Sanitary Sewer ImP. SR-5387 C&S R75-439a 38
15. ACCEPT GUIT CLAIM DEED from Dade County
' for development of a Park R75-440' 38
16. j AGREEMENT- Mrs. Veronica Huings
CONCESSION AT E. VIRRICK PARK R75-441 39
17. ;. PROPOSED AGREEMENT Baltimore Baseball Club Deferred b 39
18. OFFICIAL CITY POSITION -Rapid Transit R75-442 40
19. VARIANCE REaUEST-41 Unit Apartment Building
MARCELLUS DEARBORN SUB-2001_S.W. 17 Ave Deferred 40--47
AMEND SEC.39-20(f) of CITY CODE
Pr.,v,de minimum charge or Percent of gross ord.8398 t 43
'SOCCER EVENTS AT THE ORANGE BOWL STADIUM
20.
Direct City Manager to assist TOROS to
cy,n:inue activities at ORANGE BOWL
M75-443
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M1NUTtS OF RL6OLAR MiLlIN6
CITY COMMISSION OF NIAMtA FLORIDA
ITEM NO,
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Areal
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30.
ORDINANCE OR
SUBJECT RESOLUTION NO, PAGE NO.
CHANGE ZONING CLASSIFICATION
W. 2 & 3 Avenues, N.W. 3 & 5 Sts,
Block 75N and 88N, MIAMI B-41
ORD. 8399
CHANGE ZONING CLASSIFICATION
MIAMI MUNICIPAL TRACT (51-84) RC to GU ORD, 8400
PERSONAL APPEARANCE - Mt. Stephen Cahen
regarding PEDDLERS LICENSES
DISCUSSION
49
50
50--54
JUVENILE PRE -ARREST INTERVENTION PROGRAM
Apaoint Committee
Discussion Federal Grant Application
Discussion of use of 1145 N.W. 11th Street
City owned property M75-444
R75-445
M75-446 55--64
WORLD AMATUEP, BASEBALL FEDERATION DISCUSSION 64--65
PERSONAL APPEARANCE MR. W. D. TOLBERT
Request for financial assistance for a
proposed Day Care Center DISCUSSION 65--69
STATUS OF POLICE EXAMINATIONS ADMINISTERED R75-447 69--35
BY THE UNIVERSITY;OF CHICAGO
PROPOSED ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS DISCUSSION 86--90
R-3 District - Low Density Multiple and
R-C" District - Residential Office DEFERRAL
ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS
C-1 7 Local Commercial
Article II - Define +Adult Bookstores}
PERSONAL APPEARANCE - NORA SWAN,Chairperson
Bi-Cntennial Committee - Request for
travel funds to Washington for meeting
with 0.A.S. etc.
31. EXTENSION OF EMPLOYMENT -George J. Sheldon
32. CLAIM SETTLEMENT -Eddie Bunvan Jr.
33.' Purchase by Negotiation: Parcel 7096-U
34.
Project 3 - Miami River Development
GRANT FREE USE OR ORANGE BOWL STADIUM
Miami Dolphins Intra-Squad for Charity
35. AWARD BID ORANGE BOWL Roll -Up Door
Replacement 1975
Appropriating $33,473.
36.
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AWARD BID - Lawn Equipment
37, AWARD I3ID Life Pack 4 Defibrillators and
A..cessor).es
FIRST
READINGS,
M75-448
R75-449
R75-450
R75-451
R75-452
R75-453_
ORD. 8401
R75-454
R75'-455
90--91
92--96
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97--99
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ITEM KO.
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43.
SUBJECT
ORDINANCE
RESOLUTI UN N0f
AWARD BID CitY Hall EleetriCal imarovements R75-456
AWARD BID City Hall Air Cond.Imarovements R75457
ORANGE BOWL SCOREBOARD-Amer1Can information-
Stewart Warner Authorize Mgr.to Negotiate
AFRtCAN SAUARE PARCEL NO. 7095-7
Auth City Atty.to voluntarily dismiss
AUTHORIZE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO ACCEPT
$600.00-Claim settlement JAMES BRUCE SMITH
AUTHORIZE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO ACCEPT
$590.00-Claim settlement RONALD L. COMITO
44. ALLOCATE FROM SPECIAL REIMBURSEMENT FUNDS
$50.000 Establish special fund for purchase
of materials and contractual services
Manpower Employees
45. ALLOCATE $35,000 - Alterations and improvement
to Building Department Buildings
46. ALLOCATE *25,000 - Alterations and
Improvements - 2nd`floor of'City Hall
47. ALLOCATE $15,000 - Equipment & Furniture
City Hall Building
R75-458
R75-459
R75-460
R75-461
R75-462
R75-463
R75-464
R75-465
48. IDENTIFY SERVICE FOR BENEFIT OF RESIDENTS OF
UNINCORPORATED AREAS -Petition Dade County to
to develop appropriate financing activities R75-466
49. Authorize City Manager to object to portions
OF COUNTY MASTER PLAN which impose
restrictions on the City R75-467
50. LIGHTING OF TENNIS COURTS -by Fire.St. 8 DISCUSSION
51. REQUEST OFF STREET PARKING AUTHORITY TO WAIVE
PARKING FEES rOR PERSONS BECOMING .CITIZENS
AT BAYFRONT PARK AUDITORIUM CEREMONIES
52. WAIVE FEE-BFT.PK.AUD.-Naturalization ceremony
Motion of Intent
53. BUS BENCHES
54. ROUTE OF RAPID TRANSIT thru CORAL GABLES
55. CANCELLATION OF ROLLING STONES AT THE
Orange Bawl Stadium
56. DEDICATE BI-CENTENNIAL PARK JANUARY 1, 1976
57 _JEST DEVELOPERS OF CLAUGHTON ISLAND TO
':OICATE PROJECT JANUARY 21 1976
58, :.i"1=R CITY PROGRAM
LiTY SELF INSURANCE PROGRAM
SODIUM LIGHTS AROUND COMMISSIONERS HOMES
LIGHTS ON BALL FIELD- SHENANDOAH PARK
M75-468
M75-469
DISCUSSION
DISCUSSION
DISCUSSION
M75-470
DISCUSSION
BRIEF
DISCUSSION
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ADJOURNMENT
CIS` COMMISSION OF MIAMI
Cormnissionen Mana.eo Reboao
Cornet s i.onen Rode Gondan
Comm.i.ba.anelt (Rev.) TheodoreGibson
Vice Mayon J. L. Ptummen, Jn.
Mayon. Mauni.ce A. Rekke
P. W. Andrews, City Manager
A. P. Crouch, Assistant City Manage&
John S. LUo yd, City Attorney
H. D. Sou.thenn, City C.eenh
Ra.ph G. Ong Le, A44i4tant City C.eekk
Avz invocation was det i.veked by Reverend G.ibaon who
pnebent: in a ptedge o6 atteg.iance to the 4tag.
A motion to wave ,the reading o6 the mina teb
seconded and was passed unawnoub&y.
MAY 8 - 1975
On the 8th day 06 May, 1975, the City CommibaZon o Miami, 1.eon.idtc
met at its neguea& meeting peace in the City Hatt, 3500 Pan Ametc i.can
Djc.i.ve, Miami, Eta/Lida .ut nega M ae 4ion.
The. meeting was caned to onde t. at 9 :10 O' Ceodz A.M. by Mayon
Mach i.ce A. Fenhe with the 4ottot&n.g membe t4 04 the Commission ton bound to
be phew ent:
URGE SCHOOL COMMUNITY CONCERN, IMPORTANCE OF FUNDING BY
THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE
Rev. Gibson: Mr Mayor, we have the principal of Coral Gables High School
here this morning. As you know, being principal of a school of all those
young people there he has to get back. He has a very important matter he
would like to bring to our attention. I would appreciate it if the Commis-
sion would hear him at the start.`
Mr. Alien Oaks: My name is Allen Oaks, I'm principal at Coral Gables High
School which is 450 Bird Road, Coral Gables. This morning I, I'm always in
awe of this particular commission when I stand in front of it because it
does truly represent the multitude of our society that we today live in and
,our particular city and county. I have been in the past week speaking be-
fore a number of bodies. A week' ago today at about this very time I was
speaking before the Senate Education Committee trying to convince the legis-
lature that education still has to remain a number one priority in American
Society if we're to continue with the great society, that we have at the pre-
sent time. I tried to bring to them just the message that individual schools,
when wedealwith billions. and billions of dollars in budgets we get down to
the individual school's problem of maintaining a solid program, one which en-
ables students to, at whatever level. they be at, to reach their fulfillment
and our present concern is that as our rate of inflation goes higher and
higher our school budgets go lower and lower - The two just don't balance out.'
Since that appearance at the Senate last week we have seen the House of Repre
sentativr,;; pass a bill which does bring in more money to the schools, We've
seen a',J;a. roots movement by our parents and students that has reached ;such
great proportions that yesterday I was called by two of the House Represent-
atives , d one of the senators saying, "Please stop the mail, We have no more
roam i our office," That has grown out of just the community that serves
!..:x4.es High School which is partially in the City of Miami and partially
in C:cr 4i Gab1e4, We are very very gratified at this tremendotls grassroots
fP Vefhettt and 1 aM *l st appte iatiVe of baying the opportunity this ttiotninl
of Mentioning it to yeu and eetting your fit p e rt for the public sohoeil sy::�
tem which is the basis fair our AMerican society.
Mr. Pl>aitltttet: What do you want us to do? What cab We de to help?
Mr. Oaks: All t heed froths you really is a Vete of support. if you would
pass an eMetgency retOlutibh that could go to the governor and the speaker
of the house and the President Of the Senates saying that you are in support
of publid education and it does need the support of the legislature monetarM
ily and morally. That's all we're asking.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gibson, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75430
A RESOLUTION URGING SCHOOL COMMUNITY CONCERN AND THE IMPORT..
ANCE OF SUFFICIENT FUNDING FOR THE COMMUNITY EDUCATIONAL SYS-
TEM BY THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the resolution
passed and adopted by the following vote-
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
MAY 8-1975
1. BOXING PROGRAM GOLDEN GLOVES TOURNAMENT
MR_ 4 5, fi.25 26,27 . QBAME DOASTADIUM
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, can I bring up a pocket item so that we can get it
clarified? Mr. Mayor, it simply, as chairman of the Boxing Committee we have
a very rare opportunity of -securing' for the City of Miami and its boxing pro-
gram nationwide exposure on July 24th, 25 and 26 through the Wide World of
Sports. It would be a cost to this City not to exceed $17,000. NowI spoke
with Mr. Hank Meyer who is a man who is an expert in this field. He thinks
for the City's exposure nationwide on live coverage TV from the Marine Stad-
ium that it would be money well spent. Now Mr. Mayor, I serve as your chair
man with Mrs. Gordon as Co -Chairman on this Boxing Committee and before I go
spending a whole lot of hours on this thing I would like the feeling of the
Commission and if you agree with me and the Committee that this is money' well
spent then I will pursue it to wrap it together because the time is short.
That is the first item from the Boxing Committee. I'll move it. Father,
did you understand it would be not to exceed $17,500? Did you understand
that? And also as part of the motion, would be the waiving of the fees of
rental because it is a city sponsored, total waiver of all fees for July 24,
25 and 26.' And I make the motion, Mr. Mayor, and Mrs. Gordon seconds.
Mr. Lloyd: Mr. Plummer, with all due respect you've got two proposed resolut-
ions and one motion.
Mr. Plummer: Ok, the first one is that the city expend funds not to exceed
$17,500.00 to secure Wide World of Sports for our boxing program on July 24,
25 and 26.
The preceding motion was introduced by Mr. Plummer, seconded by_ Mrs.,
Gordon and passed and adopted unanimously.
Mr. Plummer: The second motion would be that the city waive the total fees and
costs of Marine Stadium for July 24, 25 and 26 for this same event.
lc , ;.: dJng motion was introduced by Mr. Plummer, seconded by Mrs.
Gordon passed and adopted unanimously.
Mr. Plummer: The final motion, Mr. Mayor, as you're well aware in next year
as part .1f Bi-Centennial the Regional Golden Gloves Program will be held in
Nipx 8 - I9/ 5
this first paxt of Match. The National bideh tieVet which is Mite a bbnu9
tot the City of Miami will be held here March 24, 25 26 and 274 Mistory
tells us that the fine offer ot. West Plaglet Dog Ttaek Which we are apptec'
ia:i:vc of will not be sufficient in site to hoed the Golden Ghee i . t
have proferred the dates to the Manager for the use of the ttange towl bey
c:auxn there will be natiot Wide TV free et charge tftitblifed aftd t Would lice
to Cooke a motion at this tithe that the grange Bowl be Made available at a
no cost basis for the Regional Golden Gloves March j, 4, 5, aha 6, fbut nays
possibly a change of date but that iG What We have presently acid also the
same apply for the National Golden Giovea March 24, 25, 26 and 274 And i
so move it. Excuse Me. By the way those dates have been Cleated With Mts
Andrews.
The following motion was inttodticed by Commissioner Plummer who
moved its adoption.
MOTION NO. 75�43i
A MOTION EXPRESSING THE INTENTION OF THE COMMISSION THAT
THE ORANGE BOWL STADIUM BE PROVIDED WITHOUT CHARGE FOR
HOLDING THE REGIONAL GOLDEN GLOVES BOXING TOURNAMENT ON
MARCH 4, 5 AND 6, 1976, AND FOR THE NATIONAL GOLDEN GLOVES
TOURNAMENT ON MARCH 25, 26 AND 27TH, 1976.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon
and adopted by the following vote
AYES: Commissioner Rose Gordon'
Commissioner Rev. Theodore Gibson
Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Vice Mayor J.L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES:
None.
the motion was passed
Mayor Ferre: I want to commend both of you for the, wonderful job that you're
doing and for what I think is going to be a very significant and meaningful
program for the City of Mlami.
Mr. Lloyd: Mr. Mayor, before we get into that next pocket item may I speak
briefly on these last three motions.' First, an emergency -ordinance will have
to be prepared to reallocate the funds on the first motion. On the second
motion a resolution will have to be prepared. On the third motion the City
Attorney's Office will have to study it to make sure that under the bond
indenture free use of the Orange Howl can be given even for city sponsored
event. We will make every effort to make surethat it can be but I want to
announce that now.
8-1975
DISCUSSION OF AMENDMENT OF ORDINANCE 8030 TO INCLUDE
3. ASSISTANT CITY CLERK, ASSISTANT EXECUTIVE SECRETARY TO THE
CIVIL. SERVICE BOARD ETC, DISCUSSION AND REFERRED TO THE
CITY MANAGER FOR STUD'( AND RE.CQMMENDATION
Mrs. Gordon: This pocket item, Mr. Mayor, is a short item but it is a correct
ive item which reads as follows: It is a motion directing the -City Attorney
to prepare an amendment to Ordinance 8038 which was passed and adopted on Feb-
ruary 17, 1972 to include the position of Assistant City Clerk, Assistant Exec-
utive Secretary to the Civil Service Board and Assistant Executive Secretary
to the Planning and Zoning Boards; these three positions were left out of the
rate of compensation for pension which was based on the 1% to all department
heads and assistant department heads up to a maximum of 10%. And just these
three for some reason or another were eliminated, I think by oversight.
Mayor. Ferre: Was that an oversight or was that somebody's deliberate action?
Mr. Plummer: What three again?
Mrs. Gordon: I'll read it again. This motion' directing the City Attorney
to prepsran amendment to Ordinance 8038, passed and adopted February 17,
1972 to ii.clude the position of Assistant City Clerk, Assistant Executive
Sr:Crcl.ary to the Civi]. Service Board and Assistant Executive Secretary to the
t'lanniny ..tad Zoning Boards. Those are three positions...
Mr. Plummer: I'll second the motion.
W.f'.`t 8 't975
Mayor there All tight. 'bete is a fCibtioh and a Set
Sion, is theme anything y'oui Watt lib say oh this?
Mt, Andrews: Yes, While # tea1ite that this involves Stab people here in
the audience, in fact, and participating ih the City COMMiStion Meetitig, the
thing that the Commissions has to weigh itthis is areas of responsibility to
determine whether soMe of the people that we have left out of the orditaiioe.
who are also them elgible have far more responsibility its bertaih areas of
the City government than those that we are including, So you're doing to
be expanding...
Mr. Plummer: Well, of course, too in defense bf that Paul, this is 1% of
their salary and their salary would not be let's hope that we're paying
in proportion to what their job responsibility is. So if it is 1% of the
salary then l think it would compensate itself.
Mayor Ferre: No, that's not the point. What he's saying is that what you're
doing as I understood it is you're going down to another level and that there
are a lot of other people that really... That have not been included and you're
really being basically unfair to those people.
Mrs. Gordon: No, I think differently. 1 read it differently.
Mr. Plummer:- I don't read it that way.
Mayor Ferre: Is that what you said? I want to be sure.
Mr. Andrews: Yes. A major in the Police Department is not included in this.
Mr. Plummer:, But Paul, the point that I tried to bring out to you is a major
in the Police Department is making 27 to $29,000. We're talking about_ an
assistant to the Civil Service Board is making.$16,000. You're talking about
1% of his salary.
Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor, it seems to me that this matter requires some thought
and study and I would respectfully lurge Mrs. Gordon to... Can you postpone,
withhold?
Mrs. Gordon: All right. We brought this up to Manager sometime back by memor-
andutr� but we've had I believe no action with regard to our request. So the
reason for my bringing it to you Commissioners this morning involves three spec-
ific positions. All other positions were already included - only these three'
were excluded as assistants to Department heads and it seems an inequitable thing
and it's not comparable to anything else that we might want to consider and if
Father Gibson prefers I defer it I'll bring it up this afternoon.
Rev. Gibson: My concern is not that I want to defer it necessarily cause I
think that everybody who works for the city ought to be taken properly treated
and adequately treated. The unfortunate thing is if you're going to do it for
John do it for Mary and I would think that before we take such an action we need
to understand that all of the people are being taken care of or none of the people
will be taken care of.
MrF.. Gordon: That's the point, Father - all of the people were taken care o
exce.t these three. That's exactly it.
Mr. Plummer: Rose, may I_ suggest... You know what my feelings are and they're
not going to change; that we give the Manager the opportunity until the 22nd of
May with an answer no later than then for this Commission to take some definitive
action.
Mrs. Gordon: Right. And if you're going to do that he's going to have to'show
us that persons in the same positions as these three are not being compensated
accordingly.
N( 8-1975
MAY •1
4, PLASMAPHERESIS CONTROLS _ APPOINTMENT O COMMITTEE
M04v6Y F 0rte! Ladies and gentlemen : item *3 t let the ittet take a ri0051,*y.*iatt►
Statdithent and then we'll see What direction We take. # kn6w that d, Li pl.t>ftTt
and t ion't knew who else but I'M sure others ern this coI thission have 'tore out
and Eton the various piasfa centers. Yesterday Prank Cob of Reverend Mckihley
Of the towntown Methodist Church and Sill Stokes and t Went and visited four
different centers. I Must say that oil the positive side of it they Certainly
looked clean and well kept and well tiaintained, NOW the problem that still
bothers me, and I want to put it out very openly, is that evefi though Metro
politan bade County and the Health Soatd has all these strict forms to be cbr
plic:d with the fact is that the federal agency cane in to Miami and closed one
and maybe two. They just closed them down because they were just not comply
ing with federal regulations which are not any stricter or that much different
from our local county regulations. Now my question is this: These federal
agencies come down here once a year. Metro supervises these places once a week.
Rev. Gibson: Year round.
Mayor Ferret Yes. Now the question I have is: If Metro looks at these oper-
ations every week and doesn't do anything to close them down and the Feds come
down once a year and right away they're not complying and bang they close them
down then I have to question the efficiency -of the Metropolitan Dade County
surveilancc.I have to do it. I don't see any other way but to say that some
thing isn't right, something is not functioning when the federal government comes
down once a year and closes down an operation when Metro is looking at it weekly
and doesn't do a thing. Now, Paul Andrews himself, and you can speak for your-
nelf on the record, but Reverend McKinley says that you yourself went down there
,and counted from 7 to 8 O'Clock over 40 people entering, many of which were obvious-
Iy inebriated or. They were obviously staggering into the place and as I under-
stand it no one was turned down. Now,. there is a little machine there for a
drunkometer test. I really don't know what the answer is. The point is that the
effects of it are that it is a serious major detrimental effect to the health
and the welfare of the citizens of Miami because it is superimposing upon society
in 'downtown ,Miami especially a group of, and I'm sorry - the archbishop got very
angry with mt.: - socially undesirable people(now that we can't call them drunks any
more because it. is not against the law to be a drunk).
Mr. Plummer: These are people without visible means of support.
Mayor Ferro: Yes And here these people are, there may be a thousand or two
thousand of them that are depending on food stamps; living in flop -houses; going
to'Calamus House and the other places where there is human generosity to get food
and bleeding twice a week to live on. Now these people are a threat to law abid-
ing decent citizens of this community and it's time that we acknowledge this and
recognize; I.' know that we have a social problem but you know as an American I'm
getting sick and tired of worrying about the criminals and the people with the
social problems and not worrying at all about the victims, not .worrying at all
.about t_hc ordinary American citizen who is a victim of some of these things. I
feel. starry for these panhandlers. It breaks my heart to see these people stagger-
ing along but I feel more sorry for the people that are getting mugged and pushed
and shoved in the downtown core area. I really am at a loss as to what the solut-
ion is because I saw some very legitimate operations yesterday that are clean and
thry seem to be responsible and reasonable and I recognize the medicinal value
that this is something that is needed in medicine. I just don't know whether the
solution might he zoning or what it is but I don't see that where we are really
the final answer. So I would like to respectfully appoint a committee which
would include Dr. 13i11 Stokes, the President of the Junior Col.`ege downtown who
has certainly taken a great interest in this and Reverend Rudolph McKinley who
;ir,r,lc: handedly for the last two years has done more in bringing this up to peo-
ples' notice and attention to the press and is certainly knowledgeable I'm
amazed at his knowledge on the subject Rev. Rudolph McKinley of the Downtown
Methodist Church, Dr. Raul Quadrado who is ... his doctorate is in medicine
management, administration of hospitals and so forth and certainly seems to be
knowledgeable in this area and would like to serve. And then from the Plasma
centers themselves for the various letting operations I would like to see Mr.
ccaorle Dls:•neil and Mr. L. G. Morris. I would, like to ask J. L. Plummer who
has t.a;'.-:ri ;.a lot of his time to go see all these clinics and go to talk -to all
these: p'opie Lo kind of chair, the committee if that is acceptable to the rest
of the commission. I won't put a time on you, J. L., but I think this thing
has been erac}girrg long enough and I'd respectfully like to see it done if not
by rl,c, :9 of May certainly in mid June.
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ii„ a 1.7 l;; :
PluMffiett Well Mr. Mayer, tell #tie e sadly What you want thit eoMMittee to
accothplish and it will be done in 36 days but 1 baize to k iow the cii%ectieel ,.itu
the sense.
Mayor Petre What 1 would like for 'you to accoMplish is to find a solution
the dileiia that we're ih, the dilemma is how do we protect the legitimate
need... and at the saute time; you know We ate talking about a social pint bl.etn,
1 recognitc that and they seem tO be contradicting each other biit there must
be some solution some Where.
Mr. Plumper: Mr. Mayor, I Will With the acceptance of the other people, 1 will
have a committee report back for action no later than the dune 12th meeting of
this Comtmission With definite recommendations
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the cofntltission, would you include in
your charge to that committee another area that the cotttiission but particularly
Vice -Mayor Plummer who has been interested in it and I've gotten some itiformat
ion and he was expecting me to report today and I'm not prepared to report and
that's on the Meyers Act in terms of alcoholism and its problem affecting the
total community. I think these two things go hand in hand and as they examine
this they'll certainly be examining that area.
Plummer: And you want us to include that in the community report?
Mr. Andrews: Yes, and we'll assist you in any way we can in gathering the
information that you need to make the report.
Mayor Ferre: Let's expand it then into that second area and I accept that as
a good recommendation and then we'll leave it at this. So ladies and gentle-
men I'm sorry that those of you came here for this discussion but I don't think
we're really ready to confront this problem so thank you for your patience and
I hope you understand what we're trying to do.
Mr. Irving Rill: My name is Irving Rill, I'm president of I.H.S. Laboratories,
an operator of a plasmapheresis center known as Edison Plasma Center. My quest-
ion, Mr. Mayor, is since you're vitally interested in this social problem why
doesn't the ordinance that you're trying to investigate cover the blood banks'
as well-as.the plasma centers?The same type of people are involved in both
types of locations. Why specifically are you singling out the plasma centers
under this problem?
Mayor Ferre: I might say that originally we did include both plasma and blood.
It was thu consensus around here that the problem seemed to be concentrated
around the plasmapheresis centers.
Mr. Rill: Well, who determines that, Mr. Mayor?
Mayor. -Ferris: We do, this commission does and that's what we're elected to do.
Mr. kill: But who follows up and makes the investigation because....
Mayor Ferre:- Well obviously your question is a valid question since we're
not acting on it today. So doesn't that answer your point?
Mr. Rill: Yes, but I also would like...
Mayor Fern::: I would recommend that you address yourself to the committee and
the chairman is right here if you'll get in contact with him and any recommend-
ations that you have. I'm going to tell you this, I'm hell bent and determined
to solve this problem one way or another and I'm going to tell you that I'm going
to he as lenient and as reasonable as possible but something will be done,. So
1 would recommend that -you put on your,. good thinking cap and that you approach
this from a positive side and not from a negative side and find a solution that
will be acceptable to you and acceptable to us,
Mr, Rill; We11., let me make this statement, Mr. Mayor because I think there
has been a lot of items that are unsaid that are unfair to the legitimate
operat-e- in this business. We're no different than the people in other fields
of .,.i,..., .. who follow regulations. Our industry is not only regulated by the
f:e:::+_re: government, by the state: and by the county that's a lot more severe
in regu_ations, Mr. Mayor, than any other category operating and trying to do
business in this community, And why should one item.,
Mayor re -re 1 thihk the Ivlatiager* s pe i it Is Very appropriate = our ecincern
igh't about the denters., our concern is abut the people ,that art victim:;
eventually of people who are involved in donating plasts,, .
Mr. Rill: ;' :e!That's a Voty valid d 00nk,orn. Mt, M.iyoi', And we wtt.' ttr`
legitittately operating and operating ;properly uhder the teettl.3ttet;; Aro
agreeable to cooperating with any investigatory agency to help improve the
position. Persons engaged legitiMately wait regulations, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferret 1 understand,'and 1 understand your point and 1 really spent a
lot of tiiho yesterday ioolcing into this. But nevertheless, t Want to tell you
1 saw maybe a dozen people being bled yesterday. It is difficult to say
that you can judge people by looking at them, 1 realize that and a tan has a
soul and a heart and all of that but you know some of those faces that I saw
those are people that are just down on the bottom.,. And it is tragic, You
ace, these are people that ate bleeding... I don't know, but you can see in
their eyes they're not the average American citizen and I want to tell you
that just a very mere fact... 1 don't want to get into a big discussion be-
cause that's not the purpose today. But you can see, for eXatnple, look at
your records. In the winter months these things, they average 100-150 people
a day then as soon as April comes around, May it goes down to 50 or 60 a day.
You know what is happening. These are drifters that are coming in. How can
anybody deny that what it is it's a magnet that brings in all the drifters
from the north and they survive here on stamps and handouts for food and bleed-
ing twice a week.
Mr. Fill: Mr. Mayor, you're conveying the wrong impression, you are stating
from your vaulted position that these represent all of the donors that are en-
gaged in this industry and the statement that you're making, Mr. Mayor, is in-
accurate because if you checked our records, and we operate in two communities,.
we have school teachers; we have people engaged in jobs, we have people who use
this as a means to supplement their income, we have special type donors who are
paid as high as $1000 a month for special needs. Now these are not indigent
people. These are people who fill a medical void, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: I'm not worried about the people who fill a medical void. I'm
worried about the people who get mugged and the people who die, and we'll be
very happy to submit to you a list this long of people that have been mugged, -
killed, maned, murdered... If you want to get into an argument with Me about
this, man I'll take you on. I'll be happy, to take you on and prove to you what
kind of a -problem on society you're creating.
Mr. Rill: Mr. Mayor, let's not create all the social ills of our society to
this particular industry.
Mayor Ferre: Listen, I'm not blaming you oryour industry I'm just telling
you that you'd better right now sit down while you're ahead because as far as
I'm concerned I'm willing to go ahead with this ordinance right now. Now if
you want to take me on let's do it that way.
Mr. Rill: I'm not taking you on, you invited me to... You invited me, Mr.
Mayor, to make a comment. You complimented me on including blood banks. I'm
deferring to your recommendation and I'm going to consult with the committee
that you've appointed and I'm delighted to do that, Mr. Mayor.
t! ,r Ferre: I would recommend that you submit your evidence and discuss
this with this committee and we will have a full public hearing and at that
time aft'rr this has all been aired I would be happy to listen to you as long
as you want. I think this is not the appropriate time or place to get involved
in this di::cu2si.on. And I want to charge the administration right now so that
we don't have to get into this type of thing to be prepared by the time this
comes up and submit to Plummer's committee all of the information of the number
of times that the fire rescue service and the Police Department has been called
in the last 18 months to save somebody who either was dying or had some kind of
ra problem related directly and indirectly .to any of these plasmapheresis centers
and then we'll put it right on the record, I know that Reverend Mc Kinley has
kept a fairly accurate record of some of these things and I think you can supple-
ment th,l.t from the Police Department.
The fo1.iowi g rese utio1 was ihttbt ihtet by t iissordbn, whb
honed its adoptions
RESOLUTION NO 75 432
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION A O1MTING THREE (3)
MEMBERS T9THE CITY OF MIAMI COMMERCIAL Bib DOMORE BOARbs
(Here font s body of resoittien, on ittetl here and on file
in the bf'fioe of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Cor rnissibner Plummer, the resolution was •
Passed and adopted by the following Vote.'
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose 'Gordon
Cormissioner (Rev.) 'Theodore t;ibsen
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
MAY 8-1975
5, DETERMINE FEASIBILITY OF SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AT
MELREESE GOLF COURSE— REFERRED TO THE CxTY MANAGER
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, while Mr. Acton is setting up; Mr. Manager, Mr
Crouch, I want to report to this commission that I represented you yester-
day at the llth annual clergyman's tournament, golf tournament in which 155
clergymen from across -South Florida in particular but we had one from Dallas
and one from Philadelphia who enjoyed the fine facilities of Miami. One
facility, Mr. Mayor, is lacking. I'm not going to Say that this was brought
ought by the clergymen because I want it emphatically stated that it was not.
Mr. Mayor, at the Mel Reese Golf Course we have an inequity which I think
needs correction. and I guess maybe they picked on a wrong person since I don't
drink; but 1 guess maybe, they picked on the right person. We have two golf
courses, Mr. Mayor, the Miami Springs at which alcoholic beverages are served
for the convenience of those who play at the course. At the Mel Reese Golf
Course this is denied. I think that it is only fair that a man who wishes to
partake of golf and a little attitude adjustment should have the proper facil
ities to do such and Mr. Mayor, I would like to make a motion at -this` time
that an attitude adjustment center be instigated at the Mel Reese Golf Course
and let the Manager work out the necessary evils to compensate the city. I'll
make that in the form of a motion,'Mr. Mayor, that the Manager, be instructed
as policy of this commission that an attitude adjustment center be included
in the Mel Reese Golf Course. I'll make that in the form of a motion.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-433
A MOTION REQUESTING THE CITY MANAGER TO DETERMINE THE FEASIBIL-
ITY OF PERMITTING THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AT THE MEL
REESE GOLF COURSE.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Mrs. Gordon, Mr. Plummer, Mr. Reboso and Mayor Ferre.
NOES None.
ABSENT: " Rev.` Gibson.
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LITTLE RIVER COMMECIAL CENTER - 'DOGE OFZONING
A Ic T PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH FUTURE RETURN TO
CQMML i 10N it RECQ MEN1ATtON
George Acton: Mt. Ntayot and Meilbere of the CeMbistieht altost tee years
ago how the cofMissibn requested that the planning Pepattieht 'work with the
Little River Cofntfleree ltesaoaiatioh ih developing a plan for Little Riiver. It
has beeh rloh43 and to give you a little baekgrot ncl tf tittle Itiveir, as the cbtfl'
mission 1 rbbably knows the Little tti cr retail attiVity was i uiee pxeeoMihartt
in the 40' s and 50' s but with the advent of the expressway systef and the subs
urban shopping centers retail activity declined during the 50's and 60's but
during the last 10 years there has been substantial redevelopment activity in
the Little Rivet area basically built upon the area as being a new office
center. There are numerous buildings which have been built during this per-
iod of tiMe. I believe there is scteething like 140 hew business that have
iodated there within the last 10 years and most of these have been offices.
For your information we have prepared 5 maps of the Little River area. These
traps are all contained in the study report itself but starting over to your
extreme right is the existing land use map that indicates that the existing
land use pattern inhibits the proper development and redevelopment of the
Little River area. We have many land uses in the area that are not compat-
ible with their neighbors such as can be found along 79th Street where we
have liberal commercial uses abutting low density residential uses. The
other problem that is quite evident in Little River is the lack of visual
amenities and proliferation of both adult book stores and adult X-rated movie
theaters mainly located in the clustering area of 79th Street and N.E. 2 nd
Avenue. Moving on to the next map which is the existing zoning pattern the
commission will note that it is really a crazy quilt pattern of zoning. There
is some 10 different zoning classifications in that rather small area. The
existing zoning pattern was not really reflective of the underlying land use
nor is it reflective of the objectives that are sought for in this community
by both the residents and the businessmen. Going on to the next map which is
itluntrated also on page 26 of the Little River Report is the proposed land
uee for this area. Now we have recognized in many cases the underlying land
uee pattern coupled with the physical intra-structure of the area which is
both the utility system and the circulation system for the area. We have
made recommendations which will in the long term upgrade the physical appear-
ance of the area through the proper use of the land and also to serve the area
itself for whatever retail commercial areas are needed for the area. If you
notice, again back to the existing zoning pattern, you'll see that there is,
an over.abundance of commercial zoning in the area especially in the northwest
quadrant where you find that the C-1 zoning that was established almost 15
years ago now is not reflective of the underlying land use pattern. There
are many older single family homes in that area that have been replaced dur-
ine the last 10 years with four and six unit apartment buildings. It is
interesting to note that although the entire area is zoned C-1 that with few
exceptions the use that are commercial are office in nature and not retail
in nature. Going over to the last map for your consideration is the proposed
zoning pattern for the area. This is indicated on page 28 of the Little River
Study and starting with the R-1 area which is on the upper right hand side
abutting Little River area this is a well maintained area which we're recom-
mending the zoning stay as presently zoned. This also goes for the R-2 area
which is directly below it. However., you'll note that along 82nd Street,
again going directly south that there is R-3 and R-4 areas which we have
recommended for. RC mainly recognizing the fact that there is quite a bit of
eema.d for either residential or office use in the area. So we recommended
a change of the R-3 and the R-4 to RC. The C-4 area that is directly below
th.it that straddles 79th Street we have recommended that that be retained for
the most part with the exception of the C-5 and I-1 which is at the lower
right hand side of the reap and again is not reflective of the underlying land
use that presently exits nor is it indicative of the kind of demand for uses
.n that area. The other changes that exist that we recommended along 82nd
and 60 are a roll back of the C-2 zoning to C-1 which is north of 82nd Street
end this is again recognizing the type of uses that presently exist in there.
They are loci retail uses that serve the adjacent R-1 to the east of the area
plus the existinc residential in the northwest quadrant to the west of it. The
other major chae e is to eliminate the patchwork zoning that presently exists
along 71te Streut and if the Commission will note, you've got C-4, R-4, C-1
and c, tee r eeeiee patterns in the area and we're recommending a change to an
ov.. -e which we 1c1ievc will allow the development of the type of uses
that t Csent iy exi::tant in that area and allow the area Lo be served
more rather than getting into the mixture of zoning that we have in
e The; other major change is again taking consideration of the underlying
use elac:' is the northwest 'quadrant and extends in this area presently zoned C -1,
milli ft,i15
•
t:40 and RC, We have tecoleM titled it that area a Change to lkt tenitig again
which recognizes the type of uses that have beeh iii i.t ih the area: As t
Th niiohed before these ate quite a few single family hettes that have been
rt:thr,vcd, replaced by apatthent structures. There are a few new office uses
along x32hd Stteet, insurance offices and that sort of use Which we believe
should be encouraged. The other thing that the study recoghiees is that
we're trying to eliMihate as Much as possible the proliferation Of spot-
strip coMMetcial which does abeuhd iri the etttite City of Miami and is
evidenced in •Little Rivers This, is notable along 82 d Street which as I
:paid has been converted in ttiahy cases to either residential of 'offie e ttse
which we think is appropriate for this street but we do riot think that the
proliferation of these types of convenience retail uses is proper for the
future development of this area. The map in the middle, by the way, are the
numbers of changes that are recommended' by this planning and zoning study.
That concludes my presehtatic'h, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferret Ali right, sir. Thank you. Now we'll hear from members of the
public who want to be heard on this item. How many speakers are there this
morning? You all want to speak? Really? e,,
Mr. Robert Koppen: Mr. Mayor and members of the commission, I'm appearing
before you here today as the Presi.der;t of the Little River Commerce Associat-
ion and though I don't know how many of our members want to address you I will
announce' at this time that Mr. Gordon Smith, Gene Lowdermilk, and John Barry
of the First Federal Savings and Loan Association and Mr. Earl Helfman and
Barbara North, these are all representative members of the commerce associat-
ion that are down here to voice their approval and support of the Planning
Commission's study. It may be that in the interest of saving your time some
will elect not to address you at this time but I think I can speak at least
in part for some of them and voice our strong approval of the Planning Study
that is before you. Actually, this is the second time this planning study has
been presented to you and I would assume that you are therefore, generally
femiliar with the proposals that are being made. We do agree with Mr. Acton
that the best and highest use of the property in Little River will ultimately
be the offa.c:c oriented type of community that we have seen developing within
the pa.;t 10 years. There are new structures, they are office structures.
There is no retail development going on at this time and we do not expect that
there will he any, resurgence of that activity. We believe that the concerned
study of the planning association in cooperation at least with the property
owners and the members of the Commerce Association has developed the best and
moot reasonable use plan for the area. We do believe that we are in need of
this to encourage the continued growth of the area. We think that it is a
sensible, a concerned plan and we therefore respectfully request that the com-
mission adopt it. We think that it is that which we need for the future and
proper development of the area.
Mr. Gordon Smith: I'm Gordon Smith, I'm the Little River Jewelry in Little
River. Mr. Mayor, fellow commissioners, first let me congratulate your Planning
Department, Mr. Acton and his associates for two years of very hard and very
deligent study. They spent many hours in Little River going over basically
foot by foot studying the area. After their extensive and very thorough study
of the area then they turn it' over to your committee which is the Zoning auxil-
iary or planning committee to make recommendations to you. Let me say this to
you, you have a very fine committee there because they of their own initiave
came out there as individuals and went over the area. They talked to people,
th.j :;aw the conditions which are existing in the Little River at the present
time. We are in a deteriorated and a deteriorating condition under the present
type of zoning that we have. It is encouraging a terrible run down We are
thoroughly in agreement with the many hours that we as the Little River Commerce
Association and as the individuals in Little River have worked and thrashed out
and problems that we have and therefore, the committee is thoroughly behind the
erogram which Mr. Acton has presented to you and.I thank you for your time and
recommend that you pass the ordinance and the zoning as it is presented.
Mr. Plummer: ;•lr. Mayor, if l may just interject, the Manager is concerned,
and I hate to gee back to the Attitude Adjustment center, but he is concerned
that the intent cf this commission which I, the maker of the motion do infer
that we t,ifn i.t to him for the feasibility of installing an attitude adjust-
tnF,rit c vr.. He wants to make that clear.
Mr. .lct•H:? !-!',a fman; t:-. Mayor, I'm Joseph Hoffman, I represent Food Fair
Stores, 1 . Food Fair hae an existing supermarket on 84 Street, N.4. 2nd
.t.; i' r; i s a major thoroughfare, The zoning presently is C-2. The pro-
t,osee j,, ;f, would roll the zoning back to C-1. About three years ago this store
MAY 8_475
Was closed tot lack of business. Ah attefpt has beet made since that time t
find another use for it to sell of to lease it. All attefpts thus fat have
been uhsuccessful:. th this patticulat instance tolling the zoning froth C.k2
to C.d. would deny these particular uses such as for a pet store, ah aqi ariu if
a novelty store, a tutrkish bath, a taverh and tiuttietous other uses that ate
sPecified ih the tint of Miami Code.
Mayor Ferns Would you point out eXectly Where that location isa
Mr. Hoffthah: Yes, sire (INAUbThLE) Ovetail we have he objectiohs to the coi f
cept of Making the zoning comprehensive and doing away with the hodgempodge.
Our particular complaint is oh the revised tohirq just two blocks away you now
have the C-2 tohing. We are two blocks north o`. a major thoroughfare oh the
corner and we have had extreme difficulty ih disposing of the property or using
it. That difficulty will be increased when other retail opportunities are taken
away if the ordinance is passed. We respectfully request that this property on
the strip, on the thoroughfare be allowed to remain CM2.
Mayor Ferret Mr
do you want to .i.. any way respond to this?
Mr. Acton: Mr. Mayor, as I have told the commission the predominate uses in
that arca are C-1 uses. I believe there are some maybe 2 uses that would be
non -conforming. They do serve the area with convenience retail goods and it
was for this reason and also for the reason that we believe that Little River
does need an upgrading type of commercial uses in the entire area. That's the
reason it was rolled back from C-2 to C-1.
mr. Stanley Potokar: Honorable Mayor and commission, my name is Stanley
Potokar. I own realestate at 8257 and 8267 N. Miami Avenue.
Mayor Ferret would you point that out on the map so we can get ... All right,
proceed.'
Mr. Potokar: I bought this property 8257 N. Miami Avenue ten years ago because
it was zoned C-1. To the south of me there was 25 foot of surplus property owned
by the City of Miami and I think one of the greatest Mayors and one of the great-
est Americans that you ever had here, Mayor Stephen Clark helped me acquire that
25 foot of property._ Because of that 25 foot of property I was able to get a
first class tenant at 8257 which is a dry cleaning pick-up and this created a job
directly for 2 people and indirectly for 10 more people at the plant. Last year
I spent $200 to have an architect give me some sketches as to what kind of a build-
ing I could build here because the property did have just two old frame shacks on
it which are really an eyesore and which I really would like to replace some day.
Now, in the meantime, Mrs. Parrot next door who had a beauty shop for 12 years
under C-1 zoning went for sale so I. acquired that property last September. Now
this gives me 125 feet zoned C-1 on Miami Avenue. Across the street from me
there is a U-Totem Store. To the South of me is a Farm Dairy Store: To the
South of there is a gas station and so forth and I don't see why I should be re-
duced now to RC zoning. There is no way in the world that I would be encouraged
to do something with this property under RC. I would under C-1 in the near •
future build a more compatible and more desirable building.
Mayor Ferre: Let me ask you a question. How long have you owned the property
there?
Mr. i'oc.okar: 8257 I've owned for 10 years, I've lived there for 10 years, I
run, my reaiestate and my income tax business and now, I've got a tenant there
which is a dry cleaning pick-up. Last fall I bought the property to the north
of no, 50.feet which was a beauty shop and I've been running that as a hair-
styling center even though I'm not a cosmetologist.
Mr.;. Gordon: exactly - where are you on the map? Where are you located?
And you say across the street the recommendation is to retain the C-1?
Mr. Potokar: ...On Miami Avenue is a U-Totem Store. It was there before I
moved in and south of me on the other corner of 82nd Terrace and Miami Avenue
is a ?arm Dairy Store,..
Mrs. C. That's county, you say?
Mr. .'ut ..::a{ : No, thi:..'s City of Miami zoned I think C-2,
Mrt-. :Lip: And the recommendation there at that point across from you is to
.? Mr, Acton, would you answer the question.
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Mx. Actor:: the
totthty:
Mayo Ferret Yotil to not following what he said,
Mr, ActOnt I understand What he saic# Heys in an existing pat
Spot zoning which would be rolled back to Rtv,
Mr r'1okar3 That's right, they want to make RC out of 01,2.
Mr. Acton: But this mangy this speaker rather is in an office.., 14is prihaty
business is cOMMercial office. This is the kind of use that we r.eCbtnr ended.
Mrs: Gordon: What you're saying is you're recommending everything including
him and all around hits to go to RC. Is that what you're saying?
Mr.. Acton: That's correct, in recognition of the overall future redevelop°
Mont as a subrr±gi.onal office area. As I mentioned before, we're against the
proliferation of spot commercial zoning Which does nothing to upgrade the
physicalappearance of a particu`.ar rarer:
Mr. Ronald Elting: Mayor and commissioners, my name is Ronald Efting. I'm
not a member of the association, the "Coi .er.cc Association and I did not know
what was going on in this regard. My law office which I've purchased the prop-
erty for five years ago is right here. A city taking from my person, the lady
I bought it from, took 15, 16 feet along 82nd Street when they widened 82nd
Street leaving a lot that is 35 feet wide and 135 feet long; I intended to
right away bulldoze it down and put in it a law office and then the mortgage
market fell apart and I've just been waiting for a better interest rate.;
About three months after I bought that I bought the property across the street
to use as my parking lot. Each one of these pieces of property has two houses
on it. I practice law in the house on the north side of the street. There are
twr) CI3S houses and two frame houses - all of them are small and all of them are
old. Of course, the property on the south I had intended to bulldoze down and,
make my parking lot out of. Now the part... There's a city taking on the south
also so that my lot there is 30 feet. Now when we say that you change it to RC
you change the setback requirements so that on a piece of property that is
approximately 90 feet by 30 feet I can't do very much with that. The other
piece of property which is 34 feet by 135 feet, I can't do very much -with that
is RC.'The only zoning that I can make any real improvements on is if
it :;Lays r-1 because I can go up to the lot line and some of the other features
that Are connected 'with C-1. I've made the inquiry of the Zoning Department at
the"t.ime that I bought it. I relied on the zoning that was there. I was raised
more or less in this neighborhood and was familiar with the neighborhood and I
said, "Gee, Little River is not dead. There is a future to Little River." So
as time went on I had an opportunity to buy some other property in the neighbor-
hood and I now own three other lots in the neighborhood up'rirst Avenue. These
consist of four frame buildings.- three of them in poor shape, one of them in
good shape. At this time the lot sizes are sufficient that I could put a six
unit apartment on them or something but I haven't because I have said, "Gee,
this is zoned C-1, I bought it zoned C-1, I relied on the C-1 zoning and "I
said 1.'m just going to sit here; I'm going to do something with this. I made
some agreements with some people in the neighborhood about joint use, about
putting our property together to do something with the C-1 nature. We haven't
acquired all of the property necessary...
Mayor Forre: dr. Elting, I'm sorry your time has run out and I'll: be happy to
r' cugnize you later On for an additional statement if we have the time.
tor. I::Ctieg: I would like to because I represent others who are not here, 11
who have a;.keci me to speak for them.
Mayor Terre: All right,
then we'll recognize you
Mrs . Gordon; M. , Acton,
Lhey?
t•1r. %i': RC it requires a 20 foot front yard. I want to point out to
the 1.; ion that again the speaker is a lawyer, a professional office, Now
cit,•: : findings was that we must create the kind of zoning that will encour-
age Lhe c.t ..& mbl.y of land to 1,rovi.de nicer office developments with adequate land-
na that is exactly what the previous speaker has done, he's started to
Well in the interest of time let's move along and
again;
the setbacks on C-1 and the setbacks on RC, what are
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AftOordOhl 'ghat ate the setbaoks Oh Calt
Mt Acton: Cat requires, there are no sideyatd rcquireientsthere is a
rear yatd requ4iremet t if it abuts a residential use oi` 10 feet. The front
setback is 10 feet for the first 9 feet. to Other words there Are ho set*
backs required to Speak of i1 the 04 2bting. One of thesbjeotiv'es Again
is to provide green open space ih an office settihz .
Mr. Tern Maxey: Mr. Mayor and co ftissibn, #'gin Tom Matey. l practice law in
Coral Gables. I'm also the president of Continental Equities, Inc. some of
you Will remeMbet us perhaps as the major developer of Sunshine State Indust
rial park. Cot tinentP 1 Equities owns - the property at llb N.Ir. 79th Street.
This building most recehtly was ocdtipied as a furniture thahufacturing and
sales there. Vacant now, the switchback to the zoning as reca'nTefded by the
Planning Hoard in effect would Make it impossible to use this property with
the building that is now oh it. It would be a substahtialdeprivation and
stniliarly most of the others along 79th Street there now zoned CA-4 wouldn't
be appropriate t think for office use. With the new buildings that are being
built there, that big new office building, I think it is going to be many,
many, many years before we could possibly expect it to be financially fees-
ible to destroy all of those buildings to build additional office buildings.
I think the new office now under construction will be all the offices that
can be used in that area for 8 or 10 years at least. Most of us that have
had something to do with this type of business realize that we're overbuild-
ing offices now and to change zoning so as to force nothing but office con-
struction it seems to me in this area at this time is not practical. It is
more or less from a theoretical point of view at the time that the study was
initiated before we were way overbuilding offices it might have been well
but 1 personally, if this were the only investment that I had this would be
a financial calamity to change this from the existing zoning back to office
zoning.
Mrs. Lorraine Dunn: First of all I have the interior decorating shop at 130
N.E. 82nd Street. This is one of the highest traffic count streets in the
City of Miami. It is a major arterial feeder from the Beach to I-95. I chose
the location because my work takes me all the,way from Palm Beach all the way
clear down to Homestead and :it was easy access not only for me but for my
clients East, West, North and South. It's just a matter of minutes to any-
where I need to go. Thisparticular'zoning change,'I am presently zoned C-1,
and this particular zoning change is going to create some very serious problems
for me. I am a retail establishment. I need to expand, I cannot expand unless
I can provide off-street parking which Icannot do until and unless I can acquire
some additional land somewhere within 300 feet of the property. So far this is
not possible and it does not seem that it is going to be for some time. There-
fore, I'm working under great hardship to keep my business in this location
because I desperately need to expand the building. I cannot do this until I can
acquire some off-street parking. I have neighbors that are going to suffer
because of this particular change on this street and Mr. Efting is one of these.
His lots are too shallow to be able to function without at least a C-1 zoning
or a variance and there is a question of whether he should be forced to go for
a variance on this. The Miami Avenue thing is something I think I should approach
myself to for a moment and that is that we are faced with heavy commercial devel-
opment on the west side of the street which is county. We have heavy commercial
development on the east side of the street which is city. That is a half a block
wide strip. You have North East Miami Court or Place, I'm not sure which it is,
behind that so it abuts no residential thing - backing up to a house for instance.
You have the heavy commercial use of a car wash on the corner of 79th Street.
You have four filling stations and a tire store facing this property. This strip
I think should go solidly C-1 from Mr. Potokar's property south to 79th Street.
I wish to personally say that I appreciate the wonderful -cooperation we have
received from the Planning Commission. They took a, walking tour with me through
the area in the early stages of the workshops, Mr. Schwartz from the Planning
Department, Mr. Acton, all of these people have leaned over backwards to help us
but we do still need some help from you, sir,
Mayor Ferre: Thank you very much, Now at this time I think... I'd just like
to on a show of hands like to see who are the opponents to the Little River Study
proposal.. Would you show me, your hands, please. Let's see who are here as
oppono:. S? Who is against this plan? All right, who are the people who are
here as proponents who want this plan passed? Who are for this plan as it is?
Ok. Yes, ,,., Let's 10 it again. Who are the people here who want exceptions
or changes in this plan who are not satisfied with the way it is proposed? Who
are tt:,- people here who want it passed just the way it is without any exceptions
04: r:fia“(J45? All right.,. Well, I understand your point but the point is whether
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thhy re property Y OWnefs or ht5t if they're a.hived it the cCti1nity tither
as citizens who live tl etei reht or work there they lucre a right tom,
understand yelit point though' It is a valid point.
Dr. G. Conrad Mr, Mayer, ritefbers of the city Commission1'd just like to
shows you try property here, Incidetltiy, my haute is. C, Conrad, We're Cori&
cethed with the property from 70th Street up to the tittle Rivet Canal there,
our property is at 80th 'terrace and 14:t, 1st Avenue. PM oppositg to change
to this to RC for several reasons, One is that we're boxed in pretty well*
The telephone corpaty is on the east side. The t 1 ch douse Restaurant is
to the back of us and' the bums Restaurant. is, , , We're boxed iti right now
and if we go we're probably the only ones that will be hurt right in this one
particular area. Now I'd like to show you again the area I'm talking about,
For us to change this from a C-1 to an RC zoning would really hurt us bad for
the setback is, everybody else is established so to speak, Thet for us to
have to take a penalty; I think' it is really unfair there to make us setback
and I'm sure that most of the property around there is already apartments of
something that's not intended to do any changes. So I would like to ask that
we leave the zoning as is - the C-1 rather than RC. RC would really hurt us
bad.
Rev. Gibson: When I saw the show of hands I got a feeling that if you all were
able to again sit down with the staff and make some expressions as you have here
that maybe you would not find yourself in such divergent positions, some of you
anyway. At least there will be more saying yes than saying no. Did I get that
feeling?
Mr. Conrad: No, sir. I think that the thing here is that what we're really say-
ing is that this property in the vicinity of N.B. 2nd Avenue to Miami Avenue from
79th Street north to at least 82nd Street is pretty well established and there
wouldn't be any change, very 'little change if any if it was changed to RC which
would make us maintain this setback that we're talking about. So we need to get
away from this setback and leaving us C-1 would leave us like we were. We've
owned this property since 1955 I believe it was and we've paid high taxes on
this. This will also cut the value of our property down.
Rev. Gibson: What you didn't hear me saying was... I'm not doing very good.
Ladies and gentlemen, you know either way somebody has to -be hurt and all we're
saying is that we hope that if you could reduce; if we just got two people...
What we're saying up here, don't think these people aren't listening to you
they're really concerned about continual moving and pressuring. We understand
that and I don't want you to think they're being disrespectful, they're troubled
just as I am. The only difference is they're trying to talk' their trouble out
and I may just try like everything but I` hope you understand
Mr. Conrad:. We'd like to recommend that we leave the C-1 zoning as is with no
changes.
Mayor Ferre: Let me tell you where I'm beginning to see a direction and be con-
cerned about. Mr. Andrews (1) I think it is just dead wrong, absolutely dead
wrong to schedule what is obviously a very controversial matter which I know
has been of two years duration but where you have here 50 people or more that
are seriously concerned on both sides and yet only schedule this at 9:15 to 9:45.
There is no way, I know something like this will take two or three hours. I'm
sorry, I don't mean to be so critical so early in the morning I usually wait until
late in the afternoon to get critical. But the point is it is just impossible to
accomplish this. Now we have about a hundred people here from Bay Heights and
other... Look at the number of people that are building up outside. And no way...
Now the Bay Heights hearing, I see several doctors in the audience right now who
have to get back to their medical practice. That's one point. I'll give you my
:second point here. I think we've got a problem and I think we've got a serious
prokblem. Let me tell you a philosophically, and I want J.L. to hear this. Let
me tell you what I think the philosophical problem that I have, I'm listening
to these people and trying to get ahold of it, I want to vote for this plan
cause I want to vote for anything that is carefully studied and is an improve
ment.to the community but I've got some very serious reservations. The serious
reservations are that there are too many people that are really seriously being
economically affected by this plan (1); and you know even though I know the
gomerame; F:'ts the right to police and has the right to roll back which comes
under he policing powers of government I'm concerned about the responsibility
than .n government helve towards the private individual who owns property.
You know the new theory in this country is, I don't care what you call it but
it ;s :sells m, and where we're going is where government doesn't own every-
controls everything because government telj.s people what to do and
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whrtt net to 'db and everything. And there is Mora mid More 'and 'Mete of this
Wilding ups t4oW were how getting to the point tahere were getting to the
philosophy the people ho longer have a right tb owii property that it's only
a stewardship: there are a lot of people who believe that. Now l knewi a
lot of them ate doing it for conservatiot teasers but I dons t think that you
can sanction one right by taking away another tight afid What were really it
fringing Capon is the traditional right ih Merida a to own private property aild
to be able to be the Iodater of your own destiny and your ben private property,
What government is beginning to do is to say, "Wen you have a right to your
property but it does hot supercede the right of soeiety.r ?ou see society
has a right Which is more iittportaht than your individual right and if" we toh-
ti.nuc that way my friends in 20 or 30 years there isn't going to be a hell of
a lot of difference between us and some socialist ettihtries,
(APPLAUSE)
Mayor Ferry: Please. Now, the point that I'm getting to is that here we are
in the midst, Mt ^hdrews, of trying to build tip the core city and t want to tell
you if you look at t,., statistics, and Gordon you've seen it right here in this
community in the past 20 years the city of Miami has not grown despite the
fact that we have had 200,000 Latins, mostly Cubans, move into the core city.
Ok? And that many people have left. And if you look at the net growth of the
City of Miami in the past 10 years it has hardly grown proportionate and where
the growth has come in this community has been all in the outlying areas. Now
we're reassessing that and all these government planners and urban scientists
and planners are telling us that we made a mistake and that what we really ought
to do is come back and build the core city. Now if we're going to come back and
rebuild the core city which includes Little River then I question as to whether
this is really the right way to go about it because what we're' really doing is
not giving but taking; you see, we're not giving we're taking. And that's what
bothers me and that's what concerns me and I'm just speaking as one man. I
just have one voice out of five here and there are many here in the audience who
I am sure strongly disagree but I think I just have some serious philosophical
misgivings and I don't mind sticking my neck out and telling you. Bob, I think
you and I have talked about these things in the past and I know how you feel and
I'm sure we're not too different in this. I know you're for the study but I
think we share this concern. I really don't know what the answer is. I wish
somebody around here were smart enough to tell me what the answer is because'I
don't know.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Acton, we budgeted a lot of funds from our Revenue Sharing
Funds for a comprehensive city-wide plan. Was this developed through those
consultants or was this a project of your Planning Department?
Mr.. Acton: No, this was started long before the comprehensive plan started.
Mrs. Gordon: This preceeds the consultants?
Mr. Acton: Right.
Mrs. Gordon: Well, what are we paying them for?
Mr. Acton: The comprehensive plan for the City of Miami. What I'm saying is
that we started this study long before the Comprehensive Plan.
Mr::.,Gordon: Well, I'm not taking any position on your plan at this point in
time. but I am questioning whether or not your plan should be subject to their
review,
Mr. Acton: This is probably a year away, Commissioner Gordon.
Mr. Andrews; lI personally think that Mrs. Gordon makes an excellent point
in that I recognize that Mr. Acton through prior commissions and maybe even
this commission have initiated certain studies that we're carrying on that
he nes under way that affect the Master Plan and perhaps all of those, and
I will examine those with Mr. Acton and determine whether we should continue
to proceed and put the effort in that would be required and perhaps stop some
of that .and divert our efforts towards coordinating that input with the Master
Plug; an, t. ; . n have t hi.s one reviewed with that Master Plan. I think that..,.
Mr, (;‘,t !c,n: I would move that if .it's appropriate, dr. Mayor at this time,
to refer this study to our consultants together with our own planning depart-
mcr, a.: then let it come back to us with a recommendation.
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Rev, Gi.bsott '!r* Mayor, t Wattt to seed d that Motibna
trying to get thet to agree to polite l setohd%
Mayor Forte: 'there is a ttibtibh and a second now. Is there any further state
thtn'te by members of this CoMmissibh? All right. Now tlt gt ittg tb libit discuss
aion new jut to the toifMehts oh the motiot NOV/ why wants to take a coMThent
oh the motioh, oh this partict lar hotibh? And I'll rule you out of Order bh
at►ything else: Go ahead.
Mt. Herbert Lee Simon I was goitg to ask that you also in additioh to the
planning which planners are sometimes called dreamers and I'm a friend or
George Actor's but they make beautiful pictures; that are not I Was anyway "
they're hot always practical, I would like to get the practical application
as you have poihted out here, and one of the reasons you have made the notion
is to not create problems for the business people, the homeowners and so oh
and I think that the tax base, the value of the properties all have a part in
this and I was wondering if you Could include on this committee, 'could you
include on the committee perhaps being a little Selfish now realtors, maybe
architects, somebody who would:;,
Mayor Ferre:
Rev. Gibson:
hope you will
ing today.
Wait a minute, there was no motion to a committee was there/
No, the motion was to refer it to the planners at Which time we
have an opportunity to have the input, say just what you're say -
Mr. Simon: How can we be assured of input?
Mayor Ferret You'll be assured of input because I guarantee you the way these
planners are going to go about it because I've already seen how much it's going
to cost us. They're going to spend a lot of time talking to a lot of people.
Mr. Simon:Well Mr. Mayor, I know I'm speaking for a lot of other people when
I`tell you this: I attended the Planning Board Meeting on this particular issue
in April, last month whatever the date was, and we were asked then as well as a lot of other people that are here, and you can ask them to verify it, why we
didn't attend the previous two hearings and none of us ever had notice of the
previous two hearings. That's why I wanted to be assured that we would have the
opportunity for input at these hearings.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Andrews and Mr. Acton, I see an awfully lot of people in the
audience that are shaking their heads which means that I guess they mean that
they didn't get a notice and that they did not participate in hearings the way
they would have wanted to. Would you raise your hands to make sure that I read,
that right those of you that feel that way. Now that's an awful lot of people.
Mr. Simpson: Mr. Mayor, they're making reference to several workshops that was
held at public meetings before the Planning and Zoning Board and the staff and
the board participated.
Mayor Ferre: Aren't they entitled?
Mr. Simpson: When this was scheduled for the advertised public hearing everyone
did receive notice.
Maur Ferre: They're entitled to be heard too. Whenever you get something
coming up for final action and there are concerned citizens who have not been
a part of it they have a right to protest if they haven't been heard. Well
now look, we're going to start spinning our wheels. I'm going to only recog-
nize thoae that want to speakto the motion.
Mayor Ferre: I'm going to repeat what she said. The ones that did attend the
public hearing did what? Might as well not have, Everyone there objected
except one person and you weren't allowed to be heard,,, Mere, why don't you
come up to the mLcrophone.
t. t t: i ,renda: Mr. Mayor, my name is Marie Zorenda. We attended the pub-
r.n.: hoping that ic would be a democratic type of situation, In my opin-
ion it.. .i:, r not. When you have seven people listening to you,
141,7,1Yer : ' L re You see, you're not speaking to this motion, ma'am. You toll
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Ms* totehdat Yes* 1 AM Beeause 1 asked that if you reVett back to this
Motion which 1 do agree with* evetyth ttg you said VAS true and the points
you made were great but if itis revetted baok then the people will have
be heard ih a democtatid tnannet and that's what 1 ask for.
Mayor Ferto t Vet, Ma'am and that's part of Ctrs, Ootdohh's 'Motion,,
true
Mrs. Gotdon oh* yes* of course* That's the way that the- cons
supposed to operate, take the input.,
Mayor Perrot All right. Mr. Eefting you waht to be heard oh the t otioh, only.
on the motion
Mr. Ronald Eef ting. 1 would like to ask you to insure some notice store than
you have done oh this motion. Ali the people that ate for this plan heretbe
day there's hot one of them that's in this area that we're talking about.'
Everybody is from sotne other place and they're saying we want your area rezoned.
Mayor Ferret All right, In the interest of doing this properly r Would like to
ask each and everyone of you who want to be noticed to step back right behind
this room on the left hand side is the Clerk's Office; if you'll have somebody
there with some pads to write down your navies - print it so we can read it -
your namd and address and you will be specifically noticed. Mr. Andrews, then
that way we will specifically notice the people that have been in attendance
here in addition to doing the regular way that We notice people. All right?
Now, further discussion?
Mrs. Virginia Frizelle: My name is Virginia Frizelle, 8287 N.E. 3 Avenue. I
am a homeowner in this community so of course I'm interested in the up grading
of the entire area. I approve of this motion but I believe that a homeowner,
some homeowner should be notified when these meetings occur so'that`we can be
there besides all these people that are in business who have their attorneys
there and we don't have a chance. At the April 2nd meeting I was there and
spoke and I had one other lady.with me. All the rest of them were business
people because the homeowners had not received any notice of this:meeting.
Between that meeting and today I have brought at least 15 or 16 homeowners with
me. I have called them by telephone,'I have gone from door to door to see that
they are here. And we are most interested in doing this and we _intend to form
a homeowners' association so that word can be heard also along -with' the business-
men in the area who do not even live in this area.
Mrs. Gordon: You understand the intent of this motion though? You know what
is happening?
Mrs. Frizelle: Yes, I do. This will be included in the Master Plan I_under-
stand, hopefully for the whole city.
Mrs. Gordon:' We've allocated almost $400,000 to consultants, $391,000 and I
think we ought to let them work for it.
Mayor Ferre: Mrs. Frizelle, let me tell you that this is my personal view
point but I'm sure that everyone pretty subscribes to that around -here. Of
all the property owners to me (1), of all the property owners that we in govern-
ment. have got to look after and protect and guarantee their rights #1 is the
ho,uwner. That really, I think is the basis in my opinion of 200 years of
our history as a nation.
Mrs. Frizelle: Exactly, and there are very few sections left in America today
of single family dwellings, good residential areas and this R-1 where we live is
a good area and we have moved into that area because it is such a wonderful locat-
ion in the city,
Mayor Ferre;- We understand and I think the intent of the motion speaks to that
and I think you'll be satisfied.
Mrs. Frizelle: We just wanted to be sure that we will be heard at these future
meetings,
Rev. G-i::,on ; Bt. sure
to leave your name.
Mayor '.. rre ; Don't forgot to leave your name in the Clerk's Office before you
l.i .a there anything else on this item then? Thank you vezy much for your
and I hope you all understand our position,
The toi bwlnq n►otioti was ihtfo to CoMMittiOher oron tobb
ft* d its adoption,
MOTION NO. 75,x434
A MOTION TO ODPEB CONSIDEHATION CV THE LITTLE tzIVER. uoNINd
STUDY PENDING t:itNTREB GONSIDEBATION EY THE PANG DEPART..
KENT, THE CbNSUITANTS IN THIS STUDY AND P11015E1 T ` OWNDHS lE
THE A ltA.
Upon being seconded by Comaiissioher Gibson, the fotiOn %nas passed
and adopted by the following note=
AYESs GomMissioter Bose Gordon
Commissioner Bev. Theodore Gibson
Commissioner Manolb Reboso
Vice Mayor J.L. Plufturter, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES
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None.
WIDENING BAYSHORE RIVE—ALATKA TO 17 AVENUE
71 PUBLIC HEARING - R-TURN LANE UNTO ,i/ AVEAND CLOSING OE ENTRANCE
TO BAY HEIGHTS AT TIGERTAIL
Mr. *,n4-.. /5 t T stir .t, Mr. M?or anti memhF:. -r of the commission that Mr. Grimm'
give you a very quick description of the two <;reas of concern and show you some
maps and then after that point you make the decision of how to carry on the rest
of the meeting.
Mr. Vince Grimm: Mr. Mayor and members of the commission, 1 believe the com-
mission has seen this map before so if you'll excuse the back of it we'll hold
it up for the audience. The basic purposes behind this meeting today is two
fold, Mr. Mayor. One is the closing of the Tigertail entrance at Bay Heights
and the second is some very minor pavement widening on Bayshore Drive to facil-
itate both the right turn and two through movements at the intersection of
l7th Avenue. There were also some other traffic concerns proposed by Metro-
politan Dade County throughout Natoma Manors...
Mayor Terre: All right, wait a minute. We -might be able to cut through a
little bit quicker. Is there anybody here who is opposed to 7(a)? There is
a copy of the agenda right here; let me read it to you for those that don't have
it.
Public hearing on the widening of South Bayshore Drive from approximately
Alatka Street to 17th Avenue for the sole purpose of a right turn lane onto
17th Avenue.
Now who is in opposition to that? Go ahead.
Mr. Plummer: Well Mr. Mayor, I think conversely you should ask the other side
of the question. How many people are in favor of it?
Mayor Ferre: All right, just for the record, how many people are in favor of
the widening of South Bayshore from Alatka to 17th for the sole purpose of a
right turn lane? In favor? All right, who is opposed?
Gordon: 1. think it is important for both sides.
Mayor. Terre: All right, how many people are for the widening who live in
Bay Heights and the general area, who live?
Mrs, Gordon: All right. I think it is important, Mr. Mayor, that you or our
Public Wor,cs Director state what he means by widening.
Mayor Ferre: One hundred and fifty feet.
Mrs. Gordon: Gverybody's band is going to go up now,
Mayor Ferre: For a right hand turn.
Mr., ci.11: There is a little confusion on that, Mr, Mayor.
Mayor ; crrt• Excuse mc., Vince. There is a real packed room, I have seldom seen
c, . man t,uopLu in this room, I want to really ask for• all of you to be as quiet
0; ,: ;; Lic because this room has terrific acoustics--r I would recommend it for
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fwl the ?hilhat[ e is b but it's important that you keep quiet to that ovetytiody
eat listen. So please, those of you up at the tope 1 see some o f you t.tlk ate
back there, Would you please cooperate. Xhahk you,
Mt. Gri1U1it The widening is, 1 hope you Will uhderstatid the word minor widehing.
It is adding about five or six additional feet of a:;phalt oh the northerly tide
of Bayshore drive for sbTe hundred feet on either side of 17th Avenue and then
the testripitg of the existing traffic tnarkitt+ls from Alatka street through the
intetsettion so that traffic will be able to either Move cohtinuously two lanes'
through the intersection or make an uninterrupted right turn. Oh the northerly
side of Hayshore brive. tut the whole traffic Marking system that riot exists
will be re=striped to facilitate those Movern nts.
Mr. Piucttrer: Mr. Grimm, will you stipulate for the record that this in no Way
is four laving of that particular area in ruestieh.
That is correct.
Mr. Plummer: This is solely a third lane to facilitate right turns off of
Bayshore onto 17th Avenue going north.
Mr. Grimm: Well remember, Mr. Plummer, that that is an optional tnoveiment.
The two lanes could move through or one could turn right.
Mr. Plummer:
I don't understand that.
Mr. Grimm: That northernmost lane, the person in it could go through the inter-
section if he chose or he could turn right.
Mr. Plummer: How could
he go through, there is only one lane?
Mr. Grimm: Well, they would re -stripe it after the pavement was
that you would have two lanes more or less westerly bound.
Mr. Plummer: That was not my interpretation.
Mr. Grimm: ..presented it from Metro Traffic here if you'd like to have them
explain it.
Mr. Plummer: Well, let me state what my intention was or what my interpretation
was; that'there would be more or less a third lane up to 17th Avenue for the
sole purpose and only for a right turn. You could not proceed further west of
17th Avenue on the third lane. I would be opposed to going west of 17th Avenue
on the third lane.
Reboso: It is exactly what it says in the agenda.
Mr. Plummer: That's right, for the sole purpose of a right turn.
ulate that that is the case?
Mr. Grimm:' You're asking me' to stipulate for another government agency, Mr.
Commissioner. Certainly you can pass a resolution....
Mayor Ferre: Well get the other government agency up here, tell them to stand
up. Is the Metropolitan Dade County Traffic... All right. Would you, for the
recorcr your name and address.
widened so
Mr. John Robinson: John Robinson, I work for Dade County Traffic and -Transportat-
ion.
Mr. Plummer:' Mr. Robinson, what I understood that the original proposal was that
where the road now narrows coming west on Bayshore Drive that the widening of the
road would be for the sole purpose, the additional lane, of making a right turn
ontc. 17th Avenue.
Gordon; How many feet was that going to be?
. Plummer; Five to six feet, I heard.
Mr. Robinson That wa:in't our department's proposal at all. It was not. It
could it investigated but our purpose was to move two lanes of traffic down
5ayshore with an option of turning right at 17th Avenue.
Mr . :_s ., r; I'd be totally opposed to it.
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1i'vi Gibson: I think we, my understanding was that was w}lat wo wute trying to
do, We weren't trying to send traffic: because what weire discovering is when
people want to get downtown and get back home it a hurry all they do is coft e
through the Grove and make it extremely difficult for those of us who even liVe
in the Grove to move,
Mayor Cerro: Let the express thy opinion oh this too so that it.. is on the record
and you clearly understand.- This Comhlissioh and this city hat, in the pant gone
on record in opposition of further widening of South Bayshore Drive period. And
I along with Rose Gordon, Father, and I'm sure Manolo Reboso and a. L. Pluihther,
i aM opposed Ok? To what you just stated which is two lading of South payshore
Drive. t understand what you're talking about. That improves traffic. But your
only consideration is traffic. That is your job, that is what you have to do.
But our job is to take into consideration many other things and the other things
greatly outweigh what you're trying to achieve. And therefore, I think our posit-
ion officially is against that. Now, if we limit it strictly to the five foot
widening so that there can be a right turn lane onto 17th Avenue then I think
you will not find too much opposition here.
Mr. Robinson: That's going to be up to you. We'll implement...
,Mr. Plummer: That's what I wanted to hear.
Rev. ',ibson: Why don't we use the term "Right lane turn at" then he knows you
don't cross that intersection. We want you to put the sign that when you get
here at the intersection you don't have any choice. Maybe the buck stops there.
You either turn right or you're in violation of the law. That's what we're
saying.
Mr. Robinson That would be an improvement also. We're trying to improve,
either one will do it.
Mrs. Gordon How did you accomplish the left turn lane without the widening of
Bayshore traveling towards downtown? Coming towards the north we have a left
turn lane to go into 17th Avenue. There was no widening done, there wasn't any
widening done to accomplish that.
Mr. Robinson: Well just the way it is striped...
Mrs. Gordon Well why can't you do the same thing?
Robinson Because we don't have enough width on the north side.
Mrs, Gordon: Give.a finger and then you loose a hand. I'm opposed to five
feet. I had always been told that the widening would be a very minor amount
like three feet. I can't exactly take exception to three feet. When you go to
five you go to seven, you're going to have a two lane throughfare there on the
north side - eventually you're going to have a two lane throughfare on the south
side. We're gong to have"U.S. #2", we're already on our way there now,
APPLAUSE
Mr. Plummer: All right. Well just so we understand it is within the purview
of this commission to stipulate that that third lane would only be for the sole
purposes of a right turn.
Mr. Robinson: It's ok with our department.
Mr. Plummer: I just want that understood.
Mayor Ferre; Obviously this is a hot item so how many people want to speak for
the five foot widening along South Bayshore Drive? How many people want to speak
in f ..r r c ` it? This is a public hearing. Anybody? No speakers for it, How
many .:Cuplc want to speak against it? Fourteen, Yes, ask your question,
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Mayor retie Your point iS that there is a third lane.
Mt, plu met: try Mayor, she is addressing the point that yu have atptessed
great concern, it is hot intended to be a third lane a, that is part of the
bicycle path of which this coftthissioh has expressed great t•bncern that people
are using it for auto traffic when it is in fact a bicycle path and we ale
investigating Means now Of blocking off the bicycle path.
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Mayor Ferrel You liVe right there, you dont knots:
Mrs Robinson: There is two south bound lanes right there and depending Oh the
outcome of the widening one of those lanes may turn into a left turn bay for
the school and for Mercy Hospital.,
Ms. Mine Cosgrow: My naive is Anne Cosgrow and I live onoh Tigertail in'Matoma
Manors and you asked for speakers first to speak for the proposal of adding
a right turn lane on Bayshore and I am for that and I will explain why.
Because during the peak traffic hours in the afternoon traffic backs up to
Alatka and this backed up traffic forces the cars to turnintoAlatka, to turn
into the Bay Heights area and turn up Halissee and they try to avoid this back
up of traffic. If this right turn lane which is only five feet were added on
Hayshore_I believe that this situation would be alleviated greatly and many of
our traffic problems in this residential area would be alleviated and I think
that is what a lot of these people are here for today. They're all upset about
the traffic problems, they want the entrance to Bay Heights closed or opened
at Alatka and all these problems on this #7 on the agenda are due to the traffic
that is flowing' into these residential areas and so I am speaking for this right
hand turn lane.
Mrs. Gordon: You know unfortunately I have to say this because it is true -
Bayshore is a residential street.
Ms. Cosgrow: Yes, Bayshore is a residential street.
Mrs. Gordon: And
Ms. Cosgrow: '` Oh,
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people do live on Bayshore who are occupying residences too.
I agree with you and I have addressed petitions to this com-
have written letters to this commission for and I believe,
and certainly Bayshore is a residential area. Natoma Manors is a residential
area and so is Hay Heights and these areas are becoming unliveable because
th'y have been sacrificed to the automobile. Something has got to be done.
;omotr;i:,g has to be done in the mass transit system. Something has got to
soave this.; We can not give up our residential areas to the machines, the
;subomobi l e ,
Mrs. Gordon: I couldn't agree with you more but I don't think we should slap
somebody else's back because ours is beginning to hurt. So I think that encour-
aging anymore traffic by widening any portion of any of our residential area is
bad.
APPLAUSE
Ms. Cosgrow: Mrs. Gordon, do you have an alternate solution to the traffic
problem in that area?
Mrs. Gordon: Not to encourage more traffic by making it more accessible for
people to find it more convenient to use that area. If it, is inconvenient and
they back up maybe they won't come there, maybe they'll go to U.S. 1.
Ms. Cosgrow: I'm sorry, U.S. 1 is really miserable between the exit on 1-95
all the way down to 27th, past 27th and 32nd. If you get on Dixie,Highway
at 5 O'Clock, quarter to five, six O'Clock it takes you half an hour, It is
just miserable. Something has got to be done to solve this problem and if you
can come up with an alternate solution then fine,
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, may I just stipulate a couple of things? First of all
I wou. :'.:e to thank Action Line of the Miami Herald for getting an answer that,
I've been trying to get for over a year. It was in Sunday's paper. Mr, Mayor,
this aria, of course, and I have to admit that I'm vitally affected as Mr, Reboso
is; I think the figure that was revealed in the Sunday article was very startling
an ;or' iti.ng that most of us have been living with for some tine and it seems
114, eamc about over night, That at peak how's ,presently we are suffering
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with GOO plus autetnc bLies in that area. at ; leak hours. This is ih ah atea
that is totally resad+etitial. Second of al.i, Mt, Mayor, I thank that you
are going to have to have discussion oh both of these items because I aT
prepared if IteM '(b), and I' have stipulated it all the way alohg What
the peopie of Bay Heights want is what I want. If they want to close it
fine if they don1tt fine. I'n willing to go With the Majority. But if
that opehinq is riot Closed then 1 have other Solutions which 1 ate going tt5
proffer before this commission this Torhing because the ohe nave of the game
is relief for this residential area including Bay heights as well as i4atbth&
Manors. I think the other thing, Mr. Mayor^, that should be known even though
it is not part of the discussioh this morriing that this commission is oh
record and plans to itnplethent ih the Natoma Manors section the rest of the
recommendations of both Metropolitan bade County and the Coconut Grove Master
Plan which everyone backed. And those two proposals are the closing of Hallissee
at Dixie, the closing of Alatka at biitie,the one waging of Alatka from Micanopy
to Bayshore and the oneawaying of Hallissee froth Alatka to Bayshore. Now the
people of Natoma Manor who did not turn out as much today because they feel that
Bay Heights ;people have the right to do what they want have expressed to the in
uncertain terms that they want this Natoma Manors improvements to proceed. So I
want that for the record. . Obviously this is going to be a matter of great
discussion and I think we're going to be here for quite a while so again let me
see who are the speakers that want to speak on item 7 (a)? Lct's do this all
over again because we're getting confused now. How many want to speak for the
widening 7(a)? One. All right, how many people want to speak against? All right.
We're going to have to do it this way, I'll give you two minutes each and then one
minute discretionary. Is that satisfactory to all the speakers? Do you think
you can say all you've got to say in two minutes? All right.
Ms. Brenda Fisher: Brenda Fisher, 43 Semana Drive. I would just like to say
that I think this matter should be held until after the decision if we should
close or keep open the Tigertail entrance to Bay Heights because if it is voted
to close the Tigertail entrance I don't think the Bay Heights residents realize
what an important decision this is because we will have to go out our front
entrance and I believe we will not be able to turn at Alatka or Hallissee and.
have to go up to 17th Avenue and therefore, I think it is a more important decis-
ion thatanybodyrealizes because we will need a right turn lane there for a con-
stant flow of traffic. So I'm just suggesting that we hold.
Mayor Ferro: 7.L. what you're saying is that we ought to take up 7(b) first.
Mr. Plummer: Well Mr. Mayor, I say you've got to take them up both together
because they are; if it goes one way they close the entrance then 7(a) is dif-
ferent. If they don't close the entrance then 7(a)....
Mayor Ferre: Well that's the point. We really should be hearing 7(b) first.
I'm a little slow this morning so please forgive me. Let's take up then 7(b).
Let's see who are the people who want to speak for 7(b), that is the closing
of Tigertail entrance of Bay Heights. Who is for the closing, would you raise
your hands? Who is for the closing? All right. OF those that are for the
closing how many of you wish to be heard? How many want to speak today? Four
speakers. Now how many people that are for the closing live in Bay Heights?
How many of the people that are for the closing actually live in Bay Heights?
Now how many of you are opposed, who are against the closing of the Tigertail
entrance to Bay Heights? Against? How many of you live in Bay Heights that
are opposed? How many of you live in Bay Heights who are opposed to the clos-
ing?
Mr, hlummer: It is 50-50.
Mayor Ferre: How many people who live in Bay Heights representing a family
are for the closing? I don't want husbands and wives voting, just people that
are here_rehresenting a property, a home, one to a family. Thirty-two resi
dents here that are for the closing..'.. Two against closing it, one for it.
Mrs. Adele Kanter: 272 Shore Drive East. There are many factors that you
must take into consideration. If you're going to take into consideration who
uses it regularly, do you live near it, how you will be affected by it then
1 thuk :.ost concern we `ought to find out how old are the children of these
pooplo wi o want it left open and how old are the children of the people who want
i clo:e;1,
t4, ; .: kis : Adele, are you saying that children play in the streets? Are
you`!:af;ng that is a consideration?
Mayor Petrel yes she's saying that kids play ih the streets, 6k
she's entitled to her opinion, you may disagree, i e' ll reebgnire you, gn
ahead. Name and address tot the reebrd, keep it to two tiitiutes,
Mr, wiliiaM 35 be tMae: My bathe is William .d, be Nae, of the firm of Mershon.
Sawyer, Johnston, buhwoody atit Cole, 1 live ih bay Meights On 17 Shore bri ie
North and l'm directly affected by this, if we're going to ask who lives
close to the entrance then we ought to also ask who ate the people that live
along the race track where the Conditions are intolerable. 1 personally do ''t
live on that race track. But the question for this Comiitissi,h, and .l under
stand this CteliMMissieh has already voted oh this and gated for the elosii g of
this entrance is whether the closing of that entrance promotes the health,
safety and welfare of the community,
Of which community?
Of the community in general is the way the law interprets it,
Mayor ?erre: Do you mean the community is that MiaMi or is that Coconut,
Grove or do yoti mean Bay Heights?
Mr. Mayor, I'in sure in asking that question you're aware of the
diversity of the decisions about that question. Generally the most affected
community is the one that we're talking about, the ones that are most directly
affected. Now there is nothing before this commission today that wasn't before
when it voted to close that entrance. It's the same question again. The only
thing is we have here a vocal majority of people who are inconvenienced by the
closing. We're weighing here two factors - inconvenience and health, safety
and welfare on the other side.
Mayor Ferre:
applause and
his opinion.
So let's see
Mr. De Nae:
It is three
to drive an
you wish to
Ladies and gentlemen, I will ask please that there be no further
that you keep your emotions down. This gentleman is entitled to
When you come up I will recognize you and you're entitled to yours.
if we can keep this in a very orderly manner.
I personally have measured the distance between these two entrances.
blocks. What we're talking about here is whether someone might have
additional three blocks maximum.... I measured it personally, if
call me a liar let's talk about that outside.
Mayor Ferre: Please, please, let's not get emotional. I will recognize the
gentleman after. Go ahead.
Mr. De Nae: I measured the distance on my car's speedometer yesterday, it was
exactly three blocks. Now we're talking about whether someone's having to drive
an additional maximum of three blocks to leave Bay Heights by the way of a side
street is worth jeopardizing the lives of the children that live along this
street between one entrance and the other entrance. I submit it is not contest
at all. If 'we're weighing health, safety and welfare there is absolutely no
question about the decision has to be from a legal standpoint.
Mayor Ferre: Thank you for your opinion.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Mayor, may I ask the gentleman a question on safety? What
if there were some catastrophe that God forbid should happen that would block
the one entrance remaining? What about police and fire, what about that kind
of an emergency? What would you do then?
De Nae: What kind of a catastrophe are we speaking
Mrs. Gordon: I haven't the vaguest idea but there could be imaginably some
':atastrophe that could close that entrance on Bayshore.
Mr, De Nae; Most people in times of emergency don't seek to leave an area by
going through side streets. That's not usually the best way to leave anyway,
Mrs. Gordon; That's not what I'm saying. I'm speaking of perhaps something
I can't even imagine, a catastrophe to block that entrance, the only remaining
entrar. .e .
Mr, De ;ae:: The same' thing would happen that happens at Gables Estates and
happens at 34y Point, exactly the same thing,
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br. etrom A, kraemer t fly ha'Ae is Jeroftte A, !raemet, t;ttt .a physiciatu t
live ih Hay Heights Arid have lived there fet 18 years, t speak against the
issue. I feel that there it A major problet in Bay Heights with tr, ttie tied
fie denial, 1 think to make a worse .problem beraete of that problem is A Mis-
take. There are several areas- which 1 address ityself t one ih the area that
he gentleman referred to its- safety. If hit tone -ern is Safety I Would first
ask him the question: Would he object to closing the Main etittatce of Ultat
he refers to, that is the Bayshore entrance and leaving the Tigertail ettrande
open, Secondly in regards to CottiMisticher Gotdoh's cluestthtt, "What in the
event of a catastrophe?",. gayshore is a bad street how. 1f there are tires,
if there are police emergencies, if there are ambulance eMetgehcies end the ente
ranee because of traffic, f'11 answer the specifio question; because of bad
traffic on Bayshore people cannot get ih or out of bay Heights if the entrance
at Tigertaiis closed. Fourthly in that issue there are approximately 15 to
20 physicians who live in the area atd all of whom have etnergency calls, It
is extremely difficult to get out onto Bayshore on 000asion and if someone's
life is in danger because of convenience of closing an exit this would be a
catastrophe. Thirdly, the traffic on Bayshore is a major area and we do not
deny that the people who live on the area of the"raceway" have a problem and
we respectfully request that you find other solutions, Next address myself to
one which is not quite so controversial and that is convenience, Approximately
80% by my observation of the people that live in Bay Heights use U,S.1, I-95,
Coral Way, school buses, shopping, deliveries, other workers through the Tiger-
tail entrance. These people would be greatly inconvenienced and we cannot
disregard the matter of convenience. So I say to the commission to solve one
problem by presenting another would be worse in fact for the majority of people,
and there have been polls made and this material is available to the commis-
sion and will presented by other speakers, I respectfully request that you
vote against closing this entrance. Thank you.
Dr. Harry Goldman: My name is Dr. Harry Goldman, I live at Shore Drive East 236.
I've been living there 14 years and have been in constant touch with the Dade
County Traffic people regarding problems not only in Bay Heights but also in the
vicinity as far north as Coral Way and as far west as 27th Avenue. Now to pin-
point the matter and to answer a previous speaker who has lived only 8 months
in Slay Heights, it is not a question of distance it is a question of safety.
There have been numerous water mains that have broken in Bay Heights and it took
two weeks to repair them. There are underground cables at the entrances,
underground telephone cables that go bad from time to time requiring construct-
ion. Mrs. Gordon has mentioned thefact of a catastrophe. May I add that a
fire at any one of the exits would be clogged by bulky fire equipment. It is a
matter of safety. My child grew up from the age 4 to the present age and I
took care of that child not going in the street. So just for a few children I
don't feel that the safety should be affected.
Mr. Joe Mann: My name is Joe Mann, 310 Shore Drive East, Bay Heights. I am
here actually representing 104 people. I have a petition in front of me. It
represents 85 residences. It is no longer necessary for me to go into any of
- that because I think we have covered it just from the discussions that we have
had. Mr. Mayor, if I may I, think all losing sight of and what is very import-
ant to remember is this gentleman got up and talked about the safety of his
children and the other people that talked about the distances and the other
people who talked about the traffic we are all talking about the same thing
and`I think that Mr. Reboso made it very clear, Mr. Plummer, excuse me. He
said, "What we are here to do is correct the problem." The, problem includes
the safety of the children. The problem includes the noise pollution in Bay
Heights. The problem includes all of these things and if we can work together
towards that instead of picking small insignificant things we will probably
- accomplish something. We all know something must be done and the safety of
the children is certainly included in what we want to do. I represent 104
people. They are against the closing of Tigertail. If you would like to
hear, after talking to an awful lot of the people and since I have been asked
for what reason I do not know to represent -the people that I am representing,
_ I do not represent all the people of Bay Heights and I do not represent all of
the home owner's association. I represent as far as I'm concerned the people
who have signed this petition. Their feelings are this; They do not want the
Tigertail exit closed for various reasons, We have gone over them, most of them
woulJ'be repeating myself or ourselves. What they suggest might be a good idea
whic.1 h. . not buc_:n mentioned at this point and that is before you have discussed
puttink, up a traffic light at the entrance of South BaYshore Drive I would recom-
mend tna you might consider that a sign or an amber light in the right land going
north ou South Bayshoro Drive with a sign under it saying "No right turns between
4 & 6, :onday thru Friday" would be a very expedient way of solving all the problems,
Tr ,ax ety of the children and everything else, it would solve all of our problems
because that is the time of day when the problem occurs.
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Mrs. Gtrdot,: will you repeat what you just said/
Mayor Verret What he is saying is that ,at tht'
traffic light be placed and that...
Mr. Mahn: Not a traffic lights a traffic signal with a sign tinder it
Right ?Lint..
Mayor Fetre; _Ahd it would say, "No Right 'Turn, 4.6,6 during weekdays".
Mr. Mann: The simplest, ho maintenance, a policeman should be there occas=
ional ly so the people know we really lean_ it but this way it is a simple
process and t think one that will work. It wontt work all the tithe but it
will take a little bit of surveillance by policemen...
Mrs. Gordon: Well what about the homeowner who is returning?
Mr.. Mann: The homeowners have been a little reticent but I've finally coil-
winced them that if we're going to ask for perfection we're going to get
nothing. They'll have to be satisfied between 4 and 6 to drive one more
Minute down the road, turn, right and come in the Tigertail entrance
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, even though I concur;Sir, I want it understood
with you now that I have no disagreement with that and I think it would accom-
plish it but I want it understood that you're going to be faced with a one way
south on Alatka and Micanopy.
Mr. Mann: Right, they're aware of that.
Mr. Plummer:Ok, it's understood.
Mayor Ferro: All right, let's see by a show of hands how many people here
would accept that as a solution to the problem. All right, how many people
would like to see that as a solution and how many.... How many people do
not accept that as a solution? In other words it's the same. Look, we're
not going to spend time counting here, I can tell more or less that it is
about the same break up as before. It's the same number.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I "think` if -.you ask it in a
you might get the answer that you're looking for.
Mayor Ferre: A11 right, you ask it.
Mr. Plummer: If the entrance of Tigertail is not closed how many are then
still in opposition to that proposal? In other words, if Tigertail entrance
stays open how many then would be opposed to his solution? See, there is the
difference. In other words what I'm saying is this man has made a proposal
that you put "No Right Turn 4-6" going westbound on South Bayshore. If we
leave the entrance to Tigertail open how many then would be opposed to his
idea as a solution? Ok, there is your difference.
little different manner
Mayor Ferro: Ok, ladies and gentlemen, I want to give you my opinion. .:.
I think that in the democratic process we whc are elected are elected to repre-
sent the people and to vote our conscience in representation of the people we
represent. However, once in a while there are major issues which arise. These major
issues have to be taken the people directly because there are too many individuals
who are interested and when you get an overflow of people who express opinions as
obviously the case here then I think the best solution is to let the people them-
selves decide what they want. I would recommend, Mr, Andrews, this is obviously
difficult and a very touchy problem to be put to the people directly and let a
referendum be held stricly within the neighborhood and let the majority decide
and whoever is the, majority, you will hae to accept that that is the will of the
majority of the people in that neighborhood and let the majority of the neighbor-
hood reign.... Now what do you mean by alternative? Yes, I think the right Way
to do it is this, and to do it on a multiple choice basis. In other words:
Do you want the closing? Yes or no - that is a very simple yes or no.
If it is open, will you accept this as an alternative? And, we'll do
it th..t way,` All right? And we'll take up this recommendation and let the
major;Ly the people within the neighborhood. Now, let's decide who can vote
and can't vote, How are we going to do that? All right, each house has one
vote:;. -s that acceptable? Who objects to the fact that is on a one house, one
vote basis, or one lot? Why? (INAUDIBLE SPEAKER) I really think that it Should
be done en,,,.
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Mtn* `C rdeht Are we to lk ih abet t he hei
have another fatter to 'oottider4
Mr Plt>iler t deh't thifrk you''ve got mahy renters in
Mayor teere Whether it is a tenter or a property owner the fact is it it a
Citi zen living in the heighborhoad, t don't think it should be at owner acid
I'll tell you why. There ffiay be people renting there who have just as much a
right to express their r pinibfl
Mr. Pluffiffiert to bay fei+ghts? 14ow
Hights. baThi ed fetal Two/
u think you have ih bay
Mrs. Gordon; Mr. Mayor,.why not have it all registered voters riving there,
registered for there?
Mayor Ferrel Well, I think it's got to be based on people Who live there,
The people who live there have a right to express an opinion house by house,
Now Mr, Andrews, do you think we can administratively do this?
Mr. Plummer Don't you have a list of Bay Heights? Where is your list of
Bay Heights?
Mr. Andrews: Is the area in which you're going to attempt to do
Bay Heights?
Mayor Ferre: Wall to wall. That's right.
Mr. Andrews: Well, we could assist in doing this. Would you do it on the
basis that each designated property where there is a building that there will
be one consensus vote from that....
this within
Mayor Ferre: No, I'll tell you what, ' -I think this lady has a valid point. Here
is what I'd like to do. We'll do it this way. Each house has two votes so that
if a wife and a husband want That way it will give a household if there is
a divided opinion to vote dividedly. What can I tell you. I will only
recognize' speakers who will talk to the subject at hand which is the referendum
and any ideas you have for, against or improving the idea that has been submitted.
Now I' won't recognize you to speak on anything else right now. If this is not
passed by this commission then I'll recognize you to speak on the main subject.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I want to speak before and a lot... There has been a
lot of ground covered since then. ...in every point of it. I'm a member of the
association, I attended the last meeting. I think we've cleared a lot of way...
Mayor Ferre: Sir, I don't want to be rude to you but I'm not going to recog-
nize you at this time. ..
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: All right. On this... It is a very good thing. We
have 175 houses in Bay Heights whether you count one to a house, two to a house
or twenty to a house doesn't make any difference as long as everybody has a
chance to vote or sign that resolution alright. .... But you see right here
how the people are. We've got these resolutions now with about 75%... And
they're right here.... Now I'm talking on this and I have two minutes, I -think
you said. So we're .... We're talking about children and we're talking about.
a L•:t of that stuff and you haven't solved anything. You're just going to have
areferendum. I suggest we send this right back to the Bay Heights Associat-
• ion and say, "Dear friends, work this out in your usual routine way and get
together. If you can't do it then come back and we'll help you out."
Mr. Plummer:
Mayor Ferre:
endum.
That's why we're here,
t think you can do it and we're going to put it on a refer
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr, Mayor, I would submit' that even if this vote were
taken this commission still has to vote on this question still before it,
Mayor 1' r:: You're absolutely right. Once we see what the will of the majority
is it'll help us.,,
UNID NT!1'I#;P SPEAKER; It'll help you determine the health safety and welfare if
you fiic out what the majority feels is convenient or inconvenient? I submit
thy:J'r , two different questions, And actua]..y by limiting the referendum the
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to the people} within gait' t4eiehtshoW about the people tutside that same entrranCe/
Why don't they have a voted I don't khbw how you a etaririi a these sects Of thin/a�
It is trying to Legislate by refetetiduT, itl a net pessible:
Mr. Plt et: I think, Mr. Mayor, this is the only tithe soTethi1 g has tame up
ih Coconut Grove where 1 haven't heard theultimata solution turn tlay Heights
into a public park.
Mt. tAdhey Aronovi.tz: Mr. Mayor and members of the t tsmTMigsiori, my hale is Sidney
Aronovitz, a homeowner at 301 shots Drive East, Miathi. I want to speak ttt the
question of the referendum but I'd like to explain Why I'm advocating perhaps
consideration of another poat able solution, first 1 want to say that everybody
In this room in my opinior5 and I included should be proud of the turn out here
whether you're for or against the issue. It speaks well for fay Heights and it
speaks well for the city and for the administration of this gOVerhrnent and yeti
proud to be a citizen of lay Heights. And more importantly. I want to leave this
meeting today feeling that whatever dissentioh or thinking there may be that we're
going to heal it and we find a way that will offer a solution that may be more
compatible. 1 realize that you've had a number of studies and I realize that this
has been rehashed back and forth. that you haven't in my opinion done it one way
1 don't think that you've had a study by the Metro Traffic Department and the
city administration and the representatives of both sides of the issue that you're
hearing here from the citizens. I would like to suggest rather than taking one
particular solution at this point in time and put it on a referendum that you
allow the people in Bay Heights through representatives to be a part of an adhoc
committee with someone from the Manager's Office and from the Metro 'Traffic bepart-
ment and try to come up with an answer. That may be one possible solution. it
may come up with more than one answer to the whole thing and it could help us a
lot. i would like to point out two things though that should be apparent. This
problem on traffic has become worse since U.S. 1 was brought along with the express
bus system in the afternoons because of the taking away of the third lane. so
more people are diverting over to Bayshore Drive. I believe that that is some-
thing that should be thought about and weighed against what is the benefit to
outlying homeowners in terms of the expeditious express buses and whether there
are enough of them using it from the outlying areas to warrant the kind of incon"
venie:nco that all of us are experiencing. I also want to remind my neighbors
there is a very very simple type of catastrophe that all of us can be exposed to
that Mn;. Gordon referred to, a hurricane. =If a hurricane came along and knocked
down some trees on Bayshore Drive and you have no other exit you're locked in.
It is for everyone's advantage and something that happens frequently, a hurricane
down here, that you have a secondary exit. Another thing that I want to point out
to you: We've been talking only in terms of peak traffic, peak time traffic but
i want to remind how many people here have tried to go out on the. Bayshore Drive'
on a Sunday when the Museum of Natural Science had an event or when Vizcaya had
the art gallery or anything else all of which we want and we Want to continue.
Most of the time'I turn away,'I won't even go down Bayshore Drive: I go out the
Tigertaiientrance because I don't want to have anything to do with Bayshore
Drive and that has nothing to do with the peak traffic. I would therefore,
respectfully ask the commission to vote today either to not close the gate or
to hold it indefinitely in abeyance until some more detailed analysis can be
made of the overall problem and see if we can come up with,
—
Mr. Plummer: Sid, there is only one thing wrong. Ok? Sid, there is only one
thing wrong. This is not something we're saddled with today and we haven't
heard before. Back in January ofthisyear we did in fact ask Metropolitan Dade
County _ to come back with some plan to help the traffic problem and we included
at that time the i31ue Dash that was running down Dixie Highway because we brought
out to Lhem very'.clearly it is a problem and they did come back and this is their
recommendation. so I want this understood because I understand there was a little
talk that said that it wasn't, that the commission did it. The Commission did
in fact vote for the recommendation of Metropolitan Dade County but this is their
study and they did do a study and their suggestion was the closing.
Mr. Aronovitz: We're suggesting that the committee be broadened to include
inhabitants of the area who are familiar with it on a day-to-day basis.
Mrs. Gordon: That is the big difference, J. L, , . ,
Mr, 'Plu[n;ner: But Rose, look, you're foolhardy if you think they're going to
.;top :hat Blue Dash, I'd love it but you're kidding yourself if iyou think
t_h!. /'re going to do i. t . Now the only thing that I'm saying is we did have a
study, we had an indepth study, we asked them to take those things into eo.rv-
s i(lt: r a l_. on and Sid, z don't have to draw you any pictures you live there like
rio you know the problem, ,•
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Mr. Atohovitii; 1 'know the problem but let te point out two ot.he - things..
iust for the troor , I like this man's propoeal.
Mr.Nutter: by the way,
bike his proposal.
Mt. Srcnovitt: 1 have ho fault to find with it. 1'tn just saying that pothaps
there are other alternatives. Let me just poiht this out to you. If you close
that one entrance it Leans every trash truck, every garbage truck, every futility
truek that cotes into Bay Heights is corning in ofi that one etitrattce and ekit and
it Means that this cohgregatibh is going to 'come tight by our house; they're
going to back up to get out even if you put a traffic light in there and you're
going to be locked in at peak hours particularly living without a traffic light
trying to get out of the place. I would respectfully suggest that this be
defeated on the basis of the two to one showing here today and if not and it has
to be a referendum....,
Mayor 1:erre: Now before you speak, and I'll recognite you in a moment; I think
that really the only solution is to put it to a vote of the neighborhood. tut
I'm going to express my opinion because I don't want anybody to accuse me of
hedging and not coming out and 1 just want to put it on the line as I see it
and this is just my personal opinion. After hearing all this testimony and
this discussion if t were a resident, if I' lived in that neighborhood I don't
think I'd want to have to be limited to just one entrance. I'm just telling
you my opinion if I were living in that area - I_ don't live there. I'm giving
you my opinion. I think that there is a problem but I don't think that you're
going to solve the problem by throwing the baby out with the water. I just
don't think that you're going to solve it by being that drastic. There may be
other alternate solutions. I would like to recommend this, this is just my
opinion: that we accept this no right turn from 4 to 6 during weekdays and
that we ask the Metro Traffic Department to install that and we give it say a
two month trial. Now if that doesn't alleviate the situation then I am for
putting it on a referendum at the end of that time and let the majority of
the people inside of Bay Heights that are the people that are affected, I'm
sorry for those of you that take defense to tha but I think they're the ones
that are affected. The other people that are living on the outside are con-
cerned about it either as a through street or because of the traffic problems
that it may or may not affect them. Obviously if I lived right outside the
gate I'd want it closed. Sure, nobody is... because that's that much less
traffic that I have to contend with. But I` don't think that the people outside
of Bay Heights really have as much, in my opinion, to say as those who live
within it.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, you are making that statement with the other things
that have been recommended in Natoma Manor? Well, in other words the Coconut
Grove Master Plan which was approved a year ago is the closing of Alatka and
Halissec at Dixie - that was approved. And then the further one -waging of
Alatka and Halissee from Micanopy to Bayshore South. Now are you including
that? If you are I'm in total concurrence with you.
Mrs. Gordon: J.L., may I point out a very serious flaw to that? If a home-
owner cannot enter through the Bayshore entrance from 4-6 and they cannot
go up Alatka because it is one way the opposite direction how are they going
to get home?
Mr. Plummer: Very simple. They would not come from the east to the west;
they would come from the west to the east. It's just that simple.
Mrs. Gordon: That's almost an impossible situation. Let me complete my
thought and then maybe you'll like it. Ok? Let me finish it. From that
point, that entrance on Tigertail that does not have to be one way, That
could be two way at that short intersection, that small portion, J. L. then
you can have south until. that portion and from that portion two way so you
can go home.
Mr. Plummer: You're talking' about the one street, one way south.
Mrs. Gordon: ';es. I'm talking about Alatka which is designate for one way
south bound only to Bayshore. I' say from Bayshore to Tigertail that small
point ►,•_ two way they can go home, that's all,
Mr. c'1w.aur: No, it uoos' not, Mr. Mayor. I'm sorry and I would have to
oppose it because the people of Natoma Manor who would get the brunt of that
w01:1 r1 `..: opposed to it and they did not come here today based on the fact of
1:ay Heights have what they want but not to the detriment of Natoma
Manors
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Mrs Gordoh t Well* I khow how you cat toive
y'OU tat pillt a No Left Turn"
Mt 'ltMnet t Vibe.
Mrs 00tdbh : bk, theft you, ve sol
oah't go through NatoMa Manors.
At that tOrt5er
go home and the others
Mayor Ferret Now are you all following? beoause this is getting complicated.
Now look* let me bee because t don't live ih the feighborhood but i think l
can visualize What he is saying. Prom 4 to 6 O'Ciook everyday along Bayshore
Drive there will be a "into Right Turn" sigh, against the law to Make a right
turn at the Bay Heights entrance, Now the people who want to get into Bay
Heights would then have to go down to Alatka.... This is what Hose said;
when you get to Alatka you could turn right and go up Alatka to the Tigertail
entrance and you take a right. There will be a sign that says "NO Left Turns",
Mrs. Gordon: Right only, you can't go any other way.
Mr. Plummer Mr. Mayor, there is already such a sign there now at,Micanopy,
"No Left Turn" It has been there for a year and you're still flooding the area.
Mrs. Gordon: J.L., what happens if you don't do that? If you don't do that
you're bringing that traffic to 17th Avenue back down again through Natoma
Manors to get home - they've got to get home.
Mr. Plummer: Rose, we have no opposition at this present time to those people
of Bay Heights using Tigertail because they do it now. We only have opposit-
ion to those people who do not live in Bay Heights or Natoma Manor who are using
our streets. That's what we're opposed to.
Mrs. Gordon: J.L., what I'm saying is that only Bay Heights residents would want
to have to use the northbound portion of Alatka to Tigertail, that nobody else
would want to use it because it is going to bring them into Bay Heights.
Mr. Plummer: You know Rose, in a like manner I can say, "Ok, fine. Don't put
a right turn at Semana but at -the Tigertail exit onto Alatka 'Right Turn Only'
and it'would accomplish the same thing." But I'm not doing that to the people
at Bay Heights because it would be wrong. It would be wrong because it is going
to bring the traffic right through Bay Heights.
Mr. Ed Cole: Mr.. Mayor, may I make a comment? My name is Ed Cole. I'm a
resident .at 46 Bay Heights Drive. I'm very pleased to see a great turn out
to help in the solution of this problem. I would like to recommend that we
have a hand vote now on Mr. Aronovitz's suggestion that there be another meet-
ing with the Bay Heights residents, the Metro Traffic Department, possibly a
representative of the commission, have an opportunity to go through this again.
I think Mr. Mann's suggestion of a "No Right Turn" on Bayshore Drive I was just
told by the President of the Bay Heights Association that this solution was
offered to the county and the county refused to put the sign up. I think if
the exit is; if a right turn is not permitted between 4 and 6 and Mr. Plummer'
does not want to permit a right turn to be made on Alatka we're just continuing
the mass problem by forcingresidents who want to come into Bay Heights who
cannot make a left turn on U.S. 1 to go into the traffic, continue down 17th
Avenue and go all the way around or not come home during the hours of 4 and 6.
I think this is a personal problem. I think that the people that showed up
here_ today would be happy to meet again. It's our problem not take the City
Commission's time up'and see if we cannot find a solution. I originally came
for the closing of the Tigertail entrance. I was happy to hear your suggestion
of a "No Right Turn" and I thought that might be a solution.
Mayor Ferre: Look, this is getting complicated and I'll tell you what the chair
is going to do. The chair is going to appoint an adhoc committee and it is going
to be J. L. Plummer and Rose Gordon as Co-chairman.
Mr, Plummer Mr. Mayor, I'm sorry I concur that it would not be fair,
Mayor Ferre: Rose Gordon will be the chairman of the comittittee. I just don't
thin:: t^at we're really that far into the solutions of this thing to solve it
rig now and I think it is only fair to try to work out alternative Solutions
that. ., acceptible to more people. I think this is dividing this neighborhood
tuo much. I respectfully disagree With the lady back there. I know your point,
I know you want it done right now but the point is that there are too many strong
here and I think that everybody has a right to feel satisfied, The only
way that we tan do that is to try to work out an alternative. you kfOw tht
Middle ground i.e really the best way to soave theta problems. 1f there is
My way that we can figure out with sighs or traffic pattetns of eolving your
concern, I'm trying to be helpful to those who are for the closing because t
think right flow ob r .ously the trend of this thing is for leaving it open and
1 think 1'r trying to, be fair to those who have sttOfig feelings on the other
side.
Mr. Harold Burke: Mrs Mayor, could 1 make a auggeation, please'' My name is
Harold Hurke. i live at 10S Shore btive West, live lived there for a number of
years. I'm strittgly opposed to closing I'igertail and ±'%e heard suggestions
and everything today and there is no use in my repeating this. However, the
right turn prohibition from 4 to 6s0b P.M. froth Bayshore into Bay Heights I
don't think is practical only because of tln' extreme ihcOnvenienoe that it
causes us who come home between 4 and 6. In view of this I would like to make
an alternative suggestion for something that has been done all lover the country
for years in controlling traffic and that is having a speed limitation in the
Bay Heights area between 4 and 6 P.M. in the same Manner that we have school
zone litnitations. There are school zone limitations between 8 and 9 or what
have you and between 2 and 3 in Fiery highly traveled areas of the county. I
think that it has worked and also a little policing would help also which we
do not get in Bay Heights and I think that something of this nature would be
much better than the right turn prohibition. Thank you.
Mayor Perre: If you want to speak come to the microphone. You know what is
happening here is that every speaker that comes up has a different opinion.'
We're going to end up with 50 different opinions and we're just going to go
around and around and around. How about this opinion, suppose we close both
gates? Huh? And then you can walk. All right, Mr. Delaguardia and then I'll
recognize you next.
Mr. Delaguardia: My name is Delaguardia and I' live at 1603 S. Bayshore Drive.
I came a little late but it seems to me the concern of the people that own
property and live in Bay Heights is a question of traffic and the safety of their
children. What about us that live out of Bay Heights? I live right on Bayshore
Drive and I have children too. I just want to go on record that I am opposed to
close that entrance because I feel it will be a waste of taxpayers' money.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Delaguardia, can -I ask you a question.You live on Bayshore
Drive, one of the few; How do you feel about that right hand turn lane, the
widening?
. Delaguardia: It might help, I'm not too sure.
Mr. Richard Lions: My name is Richard Lions, I live at 47'Semana Drive in Bay
Heights. Noone has suggested the following: How about putting up some yellow
barricades at the Bayshore entrance between 4 and 6 with a sign "Local Traffic
Only"? If you close that entrance to Bay Heights everyone coming from the down-
town area is going to be late getting home by over 20 minutes because that
traffic backs up from 17th Avenue on S. Bayshore Drive all the way back to the
entrance to Bay Heights and that's why people are cutting through Bay Heights.
If traffic were able to flow in the area we wouldn't have a problem and the
rumor is through Bay Heights that you, Mr. Plummer, were the cause of having
four way stop signs put up all through that area delaying traffic.
Mr. Plummer: Don't let it be a rumor, it is true.
Mr. Lions; Ok, fine. Now we know who is responsible for a lot of the problems
that we're having even in Bay Heights because if that traffic were allowed to
flow there wouldn't be difficulties that we're having now and closing the ent-
rance of Bay, Heights I think would be catastrophic because as has been pointed
out there are emergency vehicles that have to get in and out. There are occas-
ions when you just can't get out onto Bayshore Drive. The people in Bay Heights -
have been neglected and I think the commission should take the time to give us
the consideration that is given other parts of town. We're probably some of the
highest taxpayers in the city and the most neglected by everyone.
Mayor Forrc: You're neglected?
tr, . T.1� n . I think so. Yes, sir,
Mr. Plummer: You see, and this is not personal between you and I but unfortunately
it not Bay Heights, But you know, this is about the seventh hearing that
we' . e had and. „ No, s .r you're wrong, It' has all been advertised in public
MAY 8 1975
hearings, 04/ Okp fide you're arguing ty point but you see until we
squeaked your shoes you didh4t .et oft your duff, This is the first tithe
you've been ddWn here
UNIbtNTIPItto SPQR: This is the first notice we've had,
Me Plummer: NO# sir, you're Wrong! You've reeeiVed notices from the Rays
Heights 'Civic Association. YOU have received it in the advertisement of
the papers, Ok7 it has all been as every public heating and this was
about the 6th or 7th hearings.
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Mayor Terre: ,.You see everybody that tothea up has a different alternative to
this acid we're het just going tie work it out here, We'll spehd three More
hours talking and still flat t:otte toe a conclusion. NOW we can de one of several
things. This lady Wefts ue to note tight hoot and vote oti it, just ramrod it
down and then there/a gbifig to be a lot Of upset people here, Th.t''e One why
to do it, The second Way to de it LB , to put it on a reterenduttl acid lot the
majority speak and let that prevail a that's a second way of deing it, The
third way of doing it whitih is an alternative that 1'M beginning to like More
and More is that we have ah evening public hearing and 1et...Itose Gordon, Or
I'll chair it, it deeet'i't Matter; we'll get into all of the alternatiVes. See?
And during that Meeting we will define what we're going to put oh the ballot
because right now I really don't know what to put on the ballot other than ''yes"
and "he" - that's very simple, But I think to be constructive We aught to put
on the ballot: Should there be a "No Right Turn between 4e6"? Should Alatka
become two way up to the Tigertail and he left turn and then one way beyond
that? I mean these are things that we ought to determine as what the tajority
Of the people within the comiuhity feel. And once we do that then I think in
my opinion the majority is going to have to make the decision, Now* based Oh
that, does anybody have any violent objections to that?
Mr. Jerome Weinkle: I'd like to make a suggestion, Mr. Mayor, if I could.
Mr. Mayor, members of the commission, my name is Jerome Weinkle. I live at
55 Pinta Road in Bay Heights and my wife and I will vote the same way," First
of all in all sincerety I would like to compliment not only the Mayor but the
entire commission for their patience in handling this very very debatable quest-
ion. The suggestion that I have I think would encompass most of the suggestions
made by Mr. Sidney Aronovitz and still accomplish what I think the majority want.
Whichever way it goes it is up to the majority. And that is that we take a vote
of the residents by house on the single question of whether the Tigertail entrance
should be kept open and then follow the suggestions that were made by Mr. Aronovitz
appoint the committee to figure out all the balance of the solution because it is
some sort of a sacrifice for each one that's here to come, moreso for those who
have to leave employment. But at least there is a very representative group of
Bay Heights residents here this morning. Everyone would feel that something
has been accomplished - if it's voted to close it, so be it; if it is voted to
keep it open, so be it. But I think that much could be accomplished and should
be accomplished and all the rest of it could be worked out by the committee,
by the nighttime meetirgs or anyother meetings or whatever solutions can be
reached and I certainly recommend that to the .
Mayor Ferre: Fine. Is there anybody opposed to that direction? You are.
Ok, I'm going to take over and rule and unless the commission overrules me
here is the way we're going to do it. We're going to set a date right now.
I'm going to set a date right now next week in the evening when we're going
to have a public hearing on this, a continuation of this public hearing. Now
follow me. And what we're going to determine at that public hearing is not
whether or not we're going to close this but what we're going to put on the
ballot. And then we're going to put that on a ballot right away and let the
majority rule within that community.
Mrs. Adele Kanter: ...Now I'm speaking as the President of the Bay Heights
Association. I haven't before because Bay Heights has been divided on the
issue. But the Bay Heights Association has been trying to solve this problem.
We have worked with the county, the county has come out and done studies.
They have refused our suggestions. We have suggest "No Right Turn", we've
suggest "No Left Turn"onto Shore Drive East so that the people of Bay Heights
could still get in. What I would like to propose, I have had suggestions of
putting a gate up. If the city would deed us a portion of the street so that
we could put a gate up that the Bay Heights residents could close during the
peak hours and raise the rest of the day. What I would like to suggest, I
think Mr. Aronovitz' idea of a -committee is an excellent one. I'd like to
suggest that we get our committee, together and we go over these various sug-
gestions and then bring the suggestions back to the commission and let the
commission agree.
Mayor Ferre: Fine, I'd rather do it that way.
Mrs. Kanter: ,,.instead of trying to, have another public hearing and getting
peopit: out,
Mrs. eerece; T agree.
r"3rre: Sidney and Adele, the problem with that is that if you appoint a
col:l,ii sec . , I'm going to show you something • Who wants to volunteer for the
cos l.ittee? NOW yo see w&ht is going to happen, you" tt •utliuu itt'tp Yoii
May as well have ytur public hearing.
Mfg. Kantef t 1 think We should have tote Of the people from Natotia Manor
the COMMittee too. The people on Tigertail have children too.
Mt, Plummet.: Mr. Mayor, she makes a very good point. If you're going tit
anect the traffic and you're geing to study the overall picture then the
people of Natoiia Manor have to be heard, have to be heard.
Mira. Carol Bebe; My name is Carol Hebe. I live at 1660 Tigertail Avenue
within 2h blocks of the tay Heights entrance. A very visible reason apparently
is why I don't want the Hayshore entrance closed and all the traffic directed
through Tigertail. I really agree most definitely with Rise Gerdbh's suggest-
ion on the direction of traffic at rush hours. I can understand if I lived in
bay Heights I really wouldn't want things closed off. I don't see the need for
either one of those entrances closed if a Major traffic study can be done as
you're saying and the traffic directed in that regard. Hut with all the traffic
coming down Tigertail that there is now, the Bayshore entrance closed and all
that traffic directed down my street 1 could not take it. I Would move. 1
don't want to leave my neighborhood but I have a young child and many people
in my neighborhood do and that is the most valid reason that this cannot happen.
Especially for the Bay Heights people too; They shouldn't be closed off, they
shouldn't be major flow, but I think that suggestion is the best.
Mayor Ferre: All right. What suggestion?
Mrs. Bebe: That the "NO Right Turn" and then the "No Left Turn down Tigertail"
and the right turn into Bay Heights only.
Mayor Ferre: You see, that's what Adele Kanter is saying is that if she
comes back with a committee that they might work out all of these things and
then recommend. Now that would be acceptable to me in lieu of another public
hearing if you want to do it that way. And I'll tell you, why don't you set
a date. You're going to end up with a public hearing anyway. Why don't you
set a date and have it right in these chambers and you as the president can
either chair it or I'll be happy to cooperate if you want me here or anyone
of us.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Mayor, you can't resolve this at this point so would you
proceed.
Mayor Ferre: All right. Ladies and gentlemen, here is what we're going to
do. Next Wednesday night... Tuesday....
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I'm going to make it very quickly because I've been
sitting here; about 45 minutes ago, Mayor, you said the suggestion made
sounds good to me, let's try it for 2 months and see what happens. This is
ballooning into something that is starting to resemble a farce. This com-
mittee doesn't want to do it; this committee will be not represented by this
committee. Nothing is going to happen in my estimation this way until we
try something now. Who knows, maybe it won't be perfect but maybe it will
be an answer and someone will have to give a little bit and say, "it's better
than it was".
Mayor Ferre You see, you don't like to sit here
all of this baloney and I have to sit here for 12
this baloney and I want to tell you that I'm more
than you are.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Nc, I'm saying that we're
think your recommendation 45 minutes ago...
for 2 hours putting up with
hours and put up with all of
anxious to get out of here
allowing it to balloon and I
Mayor Ferre: I understand, and I'm going in that direction if you'll permit me.
Now here's again what I would like to recommend that we do, and I'll accept that.
Now let's see if we can get a consensus on this commission, Obviously next week
seems to be a conflict for everybody around here. A week from Monday which is
the 19th of May, Now is that day acceptable? We will have a hearing here.
Mr. Andrews: There is an advertised zoning hearing.
Mayor ?erre: A11 right, how about the 20th? All right, Tuesday the 20th, And
here is what we're going to do, We are going to discuss what we're going to put
on tt:c 11ot and that's all that we're going to do, And you're all going to be
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WeI b e here And you tell all your neighbors and get as many petple at you
want here who live in the immediate rleighbO hood and We -rill diteuat thie
until we fthieh what we're going to put on a ballot and theft .a week Or two
later we're going to have ah election or a referehdu i and the majority is
going. to decide thin, Now, in the rneatitime I would reed end that we adapt
this plat immediately and put it into effect anti ate how it works. The
plan ie, let's repeat it a "No Right 'Tutri" aigh On South Mayahere brine
between the hours of 4 and 6, Too ways on Alatka up tel the 'igertail enti,
ranee of gay Heights, a 'No Left 'tern" at that pofrit and tY eh we'll tee how
that furtittioris .
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, one more street, how about Hallisa
Mayor Ferret Eal1issee is one way going..
Mr. Plummer Well Mr. Mayor, we would accept a no right turn
It accomplishes the same thing.
Mayor Ferret J.L., you want to add "No Right Turn to Hallissee"i
Mr. Plummer: Correct.
Mayor Perre: All right, now is that acceptable?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Mayor, may I point out the consequences to talk
about one other point that has not been broached? I think we have to con-
sider this on a community wide basis. The right turn on Alatkai the forbid
ding a right turn on Alatka might be a happy solution for the people in Bay
Heights and 1 cheer for them. But please consider also what will happen to
the residents of Bayshore Drive. That merely increases the pressure between
4 and 6 on Bayshore Drive and makes the problem much worse for us. One part
of, the community may benefit but the other part will suffer. Can we not
consider this on a much larger community wide basis? We are all one together
and what we all are facing here are the pressures of traffic. If you're
going to form a committee can't you have a member of the committee from the
Bayshore Drive area who will also work for a happy solution for us? We are
affected directly by your decision so please consider us too. That's what
I'm asking. Thank you.
Mayor Ferre: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm still going to hold to my
original statement. On Tuesday, the 20th of May we will meet here at 7:00
O'Clook in the evening. Rose, I'm going to ask you to chair that meeting if
you would. Let me tell you what we're going to do there. The administration
is going to present to you two, maybe three different alternate plans and
this committee here will decide what will be put on the referendum and we
will decide on a referendum date and it will be to en to the community for
a vote. I know, your question is who is going to vote.
Mrs. Gordon: Who are you assigning to the committee, Mr. Mayor?
Mayor Ferre: It has to be an open committee - it's a public hearing.
Mrs. Gordon: A public hearing. Ok, fine. And the date you set that was the
20th.
Mayor Ferre: Now do you think the traffic people can prepare this quickly
enough...? Can the traffic department between now and the 20th prepare two
or threedifferentlogical alternates?
Mr. McNaughton: I think we have several alternates already. We could draw
the routes that various traffic would take under the various proposals that
have been made such as the "No Right Turn" and that sort of thing.
Mayor Ferro: Can you do it by the 20th?
Mr. McNaughton; Yes, we can have.,,
Mayor Ferre: Would you be here the 20th at 7:00 O'Clock prepared to dis-
cuss those different alternates? We're going to put it right to a vote to
whoever is preser.t as to what is going to be put on a refererendum and then
we're tjoing to go out to the community and let the majority decide. We'll
have to decide on the 22nd, Mr, AndreWS, as to who votes and who doesn't,
MY opinion right now is that the people within Bay Heights who are the ones
who are really affected are the ones that should vote,
MAY 8- 1975
Mr4 Plut;iMeft : Welii 1 think you've got to out it tiff at 1.7th AVe iue urhiCh
would be the appropriate thing= 'That's right, the ,pebble that are affeettd. t
don't think they should. That portion of it, 1 dohtt thiflk they slic5ulci.
Mayor Fef:- e: 1 personally think that qurt.tion as to whether von"re eoihg to Ile
locked is to Iay Heights or not should be decided only by thd ,people of bay boight.g:
Now, be};Dhd that the traffic patterns and whether there is no left or he i ieht Sri
this or that, that is st tething that everybody else oat► get involved ift= beyond
that theft twill oofttiriie this public hearing through the next meeting Which is
May 22nd. May 20th is your Meeting but the City COMMissieri Reefs en the 22ftd and
theft re're going to Celle to a 'Vote ;oh this thing as te how we're going tb proceed.
All right? Atiybt dy on the cem iesioh object to .thi0 All right.
Mrs. Gordon: 1s this a c ritission Meet hg you've called or just for Myself
chairing a public hearing
May Porte: You chair it, I'll be here if...
Mrs. Gerdont 0k. t would invite. any person of the audience who wishes to CoM-
municate with me regarding any kind of written material you'd like me to look
over before that Meeting, I'd invite your suggestions
Mayor Ferret Yes, we're going to talk about the widening of. Bayshore at the
same time because it affects; everything ties together. Not tnr v.
MAY 8-1975
8 FIRE SERVICE RECOGNITION DAY
Chief Don Hickman: Mr. Mayor and Commission, we're honored this next five
days to have in our city the Metropolitan Seminar of our International Assoc-
iation of Fire Chiefs and today in recognition of Fire Recognition Day I have
all the officers of the International Association of Fire Chiefs that I'd like
to introduce to the commission.
8, (A) DEFERRAL OF EXTENSION OF VARIANCE; 101 S ► W ► 115TH ROAD
Mayor Ferre: We will take the matters that have not bee heard up until now at
2:30 this afternoon, at the meeting place, unless somebody wants their item deferred.
Mr. Plummer: Number 5 has asked to be deferred.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: _ We have no objection to a deferral, we cannot make it at
2:30.
Mr. Andrews: You must recognize that in doing so that we were prepared to recommend
to the commission that you not approve this. That this extends that for another
month.
Thereupon a motion to defer Agenda Item #5 until the City Commission
Meeting of May 22, 1975 was introduced by Mr. Plummer, seconded by Mr. Reboso
and passed unanimously.
MAY 8 1975
CH,ZONING CLASSIFICATION,SOUTH DIXIE HIGHWAY,
9, DEFERRAL OF s,w, 2/ AVE, BIRD AVENUE ETC,
A 1) DtFER AGENDA ITEM #8 UNTIL THE CITY COMMISSION
MEETING OF MAY 22, 1975 WAS INTRODUCED BY MR► PLUMMER) SECONDED
BY MR, REBOSO AND PASSED UNANIMOUSLY,
f
MAY$ 1975
MAY 8- 1975
101 ACCEPT COMP ETED WORK
TENNIS COURTS RESURFACING & REPLAOEMENT
NOTE: The CoMMissibri reconvened at Riverside Baptist Church 900 SW 1 t
Street, wht the following members present: Mayor Perre, Mrs. Gordon Arid
Mr, Plummer. Absent: Rev.. Gibson and Mr. Rebcsti._
Mayor Perre: That item would you like to start with?
Mr. Andrews. No. 20 it fine.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-435
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE COMPLETED WORK PERFORMED BY
MARKS BROTHERS COMPANY AT A TOTAL COST OF $200727.55
AND AUTHORIZING A FINAL PAYMENT OF $20,727.55'FOR THE
PARKS TENNIS COURTS -RESURFACING AND REPLACEMENT 1975
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote
AYES: Commissioner'Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre.
Rev. Gibson, Absent.
MAY 8 - 1975
11. ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK
MAY
NOES: None
iNNUT GROVE MARINA -MODIFICATIONS
The following resolution was introduced byCommissioner Plummer , who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-436
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE COMPLETED WORK PERFORMED BY THE
POOLE AND KENT CO. AT A TOTAL COST OF $24,500. AND AUTHORIZING
A FINAL PAYMENT OF $2,450.00 FOR THE COCONUT GROVE MARINA -
MODIFICATION - 1974
(Here follows body of resolution,. omitted here and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk)
Uponbeingseconded by Commissioner Plummer , the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Reboso,CommisaionerGordon,Vice Mayor Plummer and Mayor Ferre.
NOES: None,'
ABSENT: Rev, Gibson;
8- 1975
J2, ACCEPT COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION -
LE JEUNE GARDENS S4NITARY SEWER
IMPROVEMENT S R-5315 C & S
1
MAY 8 1975
MAY8
The following resolution tie introduced by CeMmiselofier PI er , who
roved its adoptiont
RESOLUTION NO 75..437
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION OF
INTRRCOUNTY CONSTRUCTION CORPORATION 'FOR THE LF, PUNS
GARDENS SANITARY SEWER IMPROVEMENT SR-5315 'C (cETERLfNR
SCR) AND SR-5315 S (SIDELINE SCR). (PUMP STATION) AT
A TOTAL COST OF $93,713 62; PbNAtiTHoltrzlNG A FINAL
PAYMENT OP $11,893.16
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and
on file in the Office of the City C1irk)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon , tha resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Reboso,Commissioner Gordon, Vice Mayor Plummer and Mayor Ferre.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Rev. Gibson.,
-19Ib
13, ORDERING RESOLUTION S. W. 8 AVENUE SDEWALK IMPROVEMENT
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer , who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO.
75-438
A RESOLUTION ORDERINGS.W. 8 AVENUE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT
SK-4387 AND DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY AGAINST WHICH_ SPECIAL
ASSESSMENTS SHALL BE MADE FOR A PORTION OF THE COST THEREOF
AS S.W. 8 AVENUE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT SK-4387 AND ALLOCATING
THE AMOUNT OF $500.00 FROM THE SIDEWALK GENERAL OBLIGATION
BOND FUND FOR PRELIMINARY EXPENSE
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon , the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Reboso, Commissioner Gordon, Vice Mayor Plummer and Mayor Ferre.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Reb. Gibson.
MAY 8-1975
WEST GRAPELAND SANITARY SEWER
14, REORDERING RESOLUTION IMPROVEMENT SR-5387-C
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer , who
moved its adoption
RESOLUTION NO. 75-439
A RESOLUTION RESCINDING RESOLUTION NO. 75-227 AND REORDERING
WEST GRAPELAND SANITARY SEWER IMPROVEMENT SR-5387 C-(CENTER-
LINE SEWER) AND DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY AGAINST WHICH SPECIAL
ASSESSMENTS SHALL BE MADE FOR A PORTION OF THE COST THEREOF AS
MAY 8 1975
% tST GRAPELAND SANITARY SEER IMPRt1VE l NT R,-54S t -t'.
(CENTERLINE S RER); AI.LbCATING Pt bS IN THE AMOUNT OF
S50,000,06 TO COVER THE COST OP PRELIMINARY EXPENSES VOR
SAID IMPROVEWENT PROM THE SANITARY SEAR BOND FUNDS
(here follows body of resolutiot,, ti fitted here and
ott file in the Office of the City Clerk)
Upon being seconded by commissioner Gordon , the resolution teas
passed and adopted by the following voter
AYES: Commissioner Reboso,Comtnissioner Gordon,Vice Mayor Plummer and Mayor Pette
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Rev, Gibson
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer , who
moved its adoptions
RESOLUTION NO. 75-439A
A RESOLUTION RESCINDING RESOLUTION NO. 75-228 AND
REORDERING WEST GRAPELAND SANITARY SEWER IMPROVEMENT
SR-5387-S (SIDELINE SEWER) AND DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY,
AGAINST WHICH SPECIALASSESSMENTS SHALL BE MADE FOR A
PORTION OF THE COST THEREOF AS WEST GRAPELAND SANITARY
SEWER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT SR 5387S (SIDELINE SEWER)
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon , the resolution was
•passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES:Commissioner Reboso, Commissioner Gordon,Vice Mayor Plummer and Mayor Ferre.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Rev. Gibson.
MAY 8 - 1975
15, ACCEPT QUIT CLAIN DEED
FROM METROPOLITAN DADE COUNTY
FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A PARK
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon , who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-440
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING A QUIT CLAIM DEED FROM METROPOLITAN
DADE COUNTY CONVEYING TO THE CITY OF MIAMI CERTAIN PROPERTY
LOCATED AT N.E. 2 AVENUE AND 36 STREET, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY
1800 SQ. FT. FOR DEVELOPMENT AS A PARK, AND AUTHORIZING THE
PROPER OFFICIAL OF THE CITY OF MIAMI TO RECORD SAID QUIT -CLAIM
DEED IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF DADE COUNTY, FLORIDA
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk)
Upou being seconded by Commissioner Plummer , the resolution was
pubsc,d : nd adopted by a►e following vote;
AYES; Commissioner Reboso,Commissioner Gordon,Vice Mayor Plummer and Mayor Ferre,
NOES: None,
Ab;, NT : , i' ev, Gibson
MAY 8 1975
SAY 8 1975MR . VERONICA HUINGS OP RATION OP CONCES 1ON
16. AGREEMENT . A tLITIELI A1ETH VIRRICK PAR
The folloVing reaoiut1on was Ir troduted by Co tiissioftet Plumter , *he'
moved its edaptiot :
RESOLUTION NO. i -441.
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY 'MANAGER AND CITY CLERIC
TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH MRS VERONICA HUINGS
FOR THE OPERATION OP THE CONCESSION FACILITIES AT
ELIZABETH VIRRIC1C PARK
(here follows body of resolution, omitted here and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon , the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioners, Reboso, Gordon, Vice Mayor Plummer and Mayor Ferre.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Rev. Gibson
MAY 8-1975
17, PROPOSED AGREEMENT BALTIIIOkE BASEBALL CLUB INC,-DEFERRED
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission if you wish
I' would like Mr-. Jennings to give you an explanation as to what we are proposing
to do in terms of the two baseball agreements.
Mr. Robert Jennings, Director of Public Facilities: Mr. Mayor and
members of the commission, this is being done at the request of the Baltimore
Baseball Club INc., they function with the City at the Miami Baseball Stadium
under the terms and conditions of two different contracts, one of which is
the contract for the Baltimore Orioles Baseball team to play their spring
training, season here and the second agreement is for the Miami Baseball team
to play their regular season here. What they want to do is to coordinate these
two agreements', so they both expire after the 1978 baseball season and what
we have done is, the existing Miami Orioles agreement, they have asked to have
that extended in such a way that it will be renewable at their request in the
City's acceptance annually, through the 1978 season. At the same time they
want us to execute a new agreement for the BaltimoreBaseballteam which will
have the same provision, to 1978 season. There are some other minor adjustments
to the contracts which will actually result in a little more revenue to the
City than we have been receiving.'I recommend we resolve to do this.
Mr. Plummer: What is the agreement?
Mr.
Mr.
Jennings; Mr. Andrews has the agreements.
Andrews: Isn't there one in your packet there.
Mr. Plummer I have a resolution, but I don't have what the agreement
is.
Mr. Jennings; There is a copy of the agreement somewhere in there,
Mr. Andrews: There should have been at least, consolidating both agreements,
Maror Ferret Defer this item until the agreement is before us.
Mr, Plummer:I move we defer this item till the next meeting.
Mayor Ferret I think it is important the Commission is informed on things
like this,
MAY 8= 1975
A motion to'defethis tatter until the 22ttd me tittg ;t titt+
Comtiasion was passed and adopted by a unaritous vote Of the tottita
(Rev. Gibsor absent,)
MAY 8 1975
OFFICIAL CITY POSITION - RAPID TRANSIT PROGRAM
Mr, Andrews: Mr, Mayor and members of the Commission, this
parallels the motion that you adopted and provides that motion now it the
fort of a resolution exreasing the City Con issiott's policy in reference
to the rapid transit ayatetn.
Mr. Plummer; Thia isratifying the action of the commission.
Mayor Ferre'=---of what we discussed previously as outlined.
(Rev. Gibson entered meeting.)
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-442`
A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE OFFICIAL CITY OF MIAMI POLICY
REGARDING THE METROPOLITAN DADE COUNTY TRANSIT IMPROVEMENT
PROGRAM AND INSTRUCTING THE CITY CLERK TO FURNISH COPIES OF THIS,
RESOLUTIONTO METROPOLITAN DADE COUNTY
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the -resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre. NOES: None
MAY 8. 1975
UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING-MARCELLUS DEARBORN
SO
19, VARIANCE REQUEST - B,
2000 S.W. 17r i. AVENUE - DEFERRED
Mayor Ferre: The Zoning Board voted to deny this variance at their meeting
of March 17. Is the spokesman here? Are any opponents present to this application?
Will the proponents make their presentation please?
Mr. Jose Corbatto: My name is Jose Corbatto, I am architect for the
project, Honorable Mayor and Commission, we are here on behalf of a project
that we have prepared for this particular piece of property, and this project
requires three variances as it was read here this afternoon, for its successful
completion. The first two variances that we are asking for, one is, that the
length of the buildings of two of the four buildings in the complex, be increased
to 120 ft. as opposed to 100 ft. which is the maximum length permitted by the
R-3 A regulations.
The second variance` we are asking for is 28 f t. high as opposed to 25 f t,
which the regulations requires, or allows, and 3 stores where two stories are
permitted. Let me say that 3 stories are permitted if you place the parking under
neath, on the ground floor, then you can go to three stories, We are asking for
3 stories of dwelling in this case. These two first variances were already
granted in a public hearing last July to a similar, almost identical project,
In that cast the project consisted of 33 units, in this case the project has
41 Units, 8 more units, As I said before the two variances were already
granted to a similar scheme. The third variance we are requesting is increaa-
ing tot: floor area ratio from .50 to , 559 to , 56, At the moment on the presentation
I woul0 like to show you this chart we have prepared,
On this chart No. 1 we are comparing, ----we have 3 columns there, the first
one is what the R-3A zonjxtg requires or provides, The second column is what
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we ate providing itt the project, the last coium it the difference. Now,
reading from top down, we listing there the density, the lot coverage,
the floor area ratio, the minimum floor area, attd the useable open apeee.
As you Can see front the chart, we cottply with the density which is the
first line, 41 units or one uttit for every 1800 sq. ft of lot area. We
cotttply with lot coverage, we are not allowed to exceed 25%, we ate covering
only 22% so we are three percent below the perMitted lot coverage. 1 Will
go the 4th line, minimum floor area, the provision of the R-3A says the
trnittiinum that you can make a unit, is 650 sq. ft. 14e are goitig over as you
can see in the chart, we ate providing 980 sq. ft. and the last like is
useable open space which is the amount of green open space, not counting
the asphalt areas of the parking and driveways and the provision of the
12-.3A requires at least 300 sq. ft. per unit, we are provided 757 sq. ft.
of useable open space per unit, which is equal to 2 1/2 tithes that the
ordinance requires.
Mayor Ferre: useable open space, that includes parking, -----
Mr. Corbatto: Not in that case. That does not include parking.
Mayor Ferre: George, what does that mean? Useable open space?
that green area? Does that exclude parking?
Mr. Acton: He is talking about the useable green area, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, go ahead.
Mr. Corbatto: Going back to line 3, floor area ratio, the R-3A zone
requires not to exceed .50 our project: calls .559.. That is the variance
in question that we, are strongly 'asking for here in the meeting today.
We have to say again, we comply with the density, we are not asking for
more units, we comply with the lot coverage, we are covering less than
than we are allowed to, --and we are providing more useable open.space than
we are required to. in excess of two and•one half times. On the minimum floor
area that we are supposed to build per unit, we are also even 250 units
above what is required. The only thing we are not complying with is the floor
area ratio.
Mayor Ferre: Let me interrupt you, what you are doing here as I see it,
you are making larger apartments, you are going alittle bit higher, you
are going over in the F.A.R.,but you have more green space available, and
your lot coverage is 3' less, in other words, you could spread out more,
it is a more compact building higher and larger in size.
Mr, Corbatto: That is correct.
Mr..Corbatto I would like to show the next chart. What we are showing
on that chart is very simple. We could build the same number of units and
comply with all the regulations and requirements of the R-3A zoning by doing
what the first column, reading vertically, says. The first column says floor
area ratio, .50, second column is, floor area ratio is .559, the last
column is a difference.
Mayor Ferre: You could actually end up with the same number of apartments
as you are requesting except they would be smaller.
Mr. Corbatto: Instead of being 1,023 sq. ft, per unit, will be 915,
when we say we are making the units bigger, that doesn't mean we are making
now two -bedroom apartments where we could make only one -bedroom apartments.
Still with 915 sq, ft. you can make a two -bedroom apartments and in fact, you
can find two -bedroom apartments with 820 sq, ft. so what we are saying we are
planning; to do two -bedroom units because all of them are going to be two -bedroom
units, euc instead of giving them 915 sq. ft. of liveable space, we are going
to make them 1023 sq, ft. We are making them bigger, and still going to be
two —bedroom apartments, so the way we understand it, we are trying to give the
urer more comfort. We are not going to deprive anybody from anything, We are not
put more units not required by the density, we are not going to bring
more cans into that property than 41 units, x 1.,75 parking spaces, we are not
going to incraee any of those things, The only thing we are requesting is permission
to do more comfortable units, Still, as we said before, we comply with the
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ufieabie open spate, We tottpli d +with -everything
Mayor Ferret Let's hear fron Mr. Acton. Are yeti finished?
Mr. Corbatto if you permit tree l Would like to Show you if you think
pertinent at this time, the project.
Mayor 1erre: Bring it up here and in the tear:tittte let Mr. Acton speak
recognize you again to make Whatever other statements you Witt to take.
Mr. Corbatto:`fie are breaking the parking area into four parking areas.
This is three stories. This is an arraitgetnent, every block represents 3 units.
One on the ground floor, takes all this spate, and then two on the 2nd and 3rd
floor,-- -each one has a separate entrance. There are no corridors going around
there is privacy for every unit.
Mayor yerre: how do you go up to the 3rd floor.
Mrs. Gordon: It is part of the 2nd floor apartmnt,< is that right?
Mr. Corbatto: Right,
Mrs. Gordon: There is really two living quarter there, ----the bedrooms
are on the 2nd floor as I understand it, instead of hn the first floor.
Mr. Corbatto This is one unit on the ground floor, and this is one
on two floors, with an interior stair.
Mrs. Gordon:It is a different design. It is not putting 3 set of families
on,the 3rd floor, is that right?
Mr. Corbatto: The second and third floor are occupied by one family.
We do not have continuous corridors because every one of these units asyou
can see, ------there are two units here on the 2ndand 3rd floor. Each one has
an independent exit, even the one from the second floor.
Mrs. Gordon: What is the width of that unit?
Corbatto: Approximately 15 ft.
Mrs. Gordon: The lower portion, is the living room, dining room
and the upper part is tow bedrooms, is that it?
Mr. Corbatto: Yes, ---
Mrs. Gordon: If I follow you correctly, you have a` court' yard effect
all the tenants, which would"incorporat what? What is in that court yard?
Mr. Corbatto: A swimming pool. All these units are looking towards this
central area which is lets say dominated by this
Mrs. Gordon: Are you the architect?
Mr. Corbatto Yes, if we comply with the floor area ratio regulations
and built only to limit of 37,000 sq. ft. which is .50 of 75,000 sq. ft.
.50 is 37,500, and we build only to .50,the'scheme that is going
to be exactly the same, exactly the 41 units, the buildings are goig to be placed
in the same location, and the only thing we will be doing is that this area shaded
in read won't be built, bu adding the red area, is what we are increasing the
floor area ratio.
Mayor Ferre: Let's see the perspective then we
Mr. Corbatto; I think we are trying to incorporate quality in the design,
to medium income housing.
Cordon: Mr. Acton this is a very interesting presentation.
to beer your point of view on it:,
Acton Mr, Mayor and Commissioner, the commission
variance on a project for this same property for an additional years What
the app itant hat not told you is that this new project that they are requesting
variances on disregards some true magnificent trees on that property uhith
the original request for variance did trots -I have the site plan here of the
original project which the totnmtsaioti approved an eltentiOn of one year. It shows
the huge oak treea and f icut3 treat on that property vhieh probably be destroyed
in this new concepts
Mrs. Oordont Mr. Acton are the trees your major objections
want to understand what the are doing.
Mr. Acton: Yea, that is one of theta
Mayor Ferret Is this the old one or the new one.
Mr. Acton: The old one,-
Mayor Ferre: What is the difference between the old andthe new?
Mr. Acton; This one has 33 units the other one has 41, take a look
the site plans, this tree removed, this is a 70 inch ficus, this is
existing 24 inch oak, the bedroom unit sizes are larger,
Mr. Plummer: These are larger, ---I thought he said he was putting
larger bedrooms in.
Mr. Acton: He is saying that they can go in here and develop a
size and put more units on it, the same argument that has been used
times, you take any project using its own regulations, ---
Mayor Ferre: It is a good argument,
Acton: come up with a project that is horrendous but
Mrs. Gordon:' George answer this question, the one you are holding in
your hand was below what he was permitted to use to develop, is that correct?
The original application,
Mr. Acton: That was for request for one variance
Mrs. Gordon: What was that variance?
Mr. Acton: That variance was on the length of the building, ----the
R-3A restricts the buildings to 100 ft. now this particular case we felt
that the variances were in order because of the, problems associated with designing
a project that is cognizant of those magnificent trees they have on the site,
so we felt a variance was in order. In other words, lifing the restrictions
for the 100 ft.--the project you just looked at that they are coming back
and saying we want this project because it has more units, it does disregard
the trees totally. You don't think it is an order to grant this type of
variance, the commission already extended the variance and the zoning
board granted a variance originally, which we concurred with.
Rev. Gibson: What.I don't understand is if you are able to build
right now, 33 units, is thatright, you can build 33.without dealing with
us, I am talking about the architect.
Mr. Acton: No,---
REv. Gibson: He said he could build 33 but he now wants
isn't that right? Yes, that is what I heard, —
Mr, Plummer: I heard him ;say he could build the 41 without a variance.
Rt.,, Gibson: No, right now under the present zoning he could build 33,
and he wants to build 8 more,---
Mr:i. Gordon: NO, Father,
Corbatto; Under the present zoning, still we could build 41 units
Mr. Plumper; That is what l'heard,
Mrs, 0ordntt3 A diiterent style,'
At, Corbattot The number of units has nothing tb do with this,..
Mayor Fevre You are talking about apples and first
One, Mt, Acton is Baying that if we approve the old plan, if you litre to put
upthat project, you could build it and that would have 33 units, that would
have 100 sq, ft. More than the one you are proposing, that is one thing, you
are saying that you could also build more units, up to 41, but ytlu would have
to cut down 100 ft.
Mr. Corbatto: The units Mould be a little smaller, but not -a hundred ft.
smta►ller,
Mayor Ferrel How much smaller? 90 ft.,
Mr. Corbatto: Between 50 and 100 ft.
Rev. Gibson: I think you could tell us, r am pretty sure you didn't
come here and not calculate.
Let me ask another question, how much are you going to sell them for?
Mr. Corbatto: They are going to be in the upper.20's, less than $30,000.
Rev. Gibson: If you build based on what you can build presently, that means
8 more would be 8 times 30,
Mr. Corbatto That is the cost of the project. You are
out 8 more units, right at $25,000.
Mayor Ferre: You can build 41 one way or the other, so you can't figure
that.
trying to figure
Rev. Gibson; But the point is Mr'. Mayor is obviously the plan that
he produced, here is what I am hearing, and I have some real gut reactions.
The zoning you now have was not the zoning that was there when you first
started, no, so you change, ---
Mr. Corbatto: Yes, it is,
Rev. Gibson: ----so you got the zoning change so you could, -----if you
didn't do it, somebody did,---- let me tell you what keeps bothering me in
this city. I don't want us to build to the extent that all the people are
going to move out of the City of Miami: I have some hidden thoughts of my
own I am not expressing, I don't want anybody to think I don't have some
thoughts on this. I have some concerns. What has disturbed me is this, if
you don't get quality buildings, a lot of folk who live around there are
going to move. You already have a project going. I don't think it is fully
sold yet. What I am concerned about Mr. Atkins, and I hope this staff will
tell us, what is the comparison with this project over against the one that
you have, and then when I see that plan that Mr. Atkin just produced that
your company, came and Iam sure helped influence the commission to change that
zoning. You know, I was just about getting on the commission at the time when
we postponed, nothing happening, then after you think we have forgot it,
for a while, then we. want to change our minds. See what I am talking about? I
don't like folks to play us cheap like that, I am sure you are not, but beware
Athenians bearing wreaths. I am concerned, if you didn't need us to change
our minds, you would go right on.
Mayor Ferre; I think I understand what you are saying and it makes
a lot of sense.' Let me tell you what has me concerned,.It isn't a question
as to what George Acton brought up, because if you were to ask me which was
the best project, the best project is the Acton brought up because there
are larger rooms and more trees and green area, I understand that, The problem
is that they have a right now, they way this is zoned, not to build that but
build the one with 41 units. They can do that.
Rev, Gibson; Be is shaking his head Mr. Mayor, you had better ask him.
Mayor Ferre, They cant build the one with 41 units without the red
strip, --all the red strips they took off--*-*�
MAY 8 197
Mr. Atton: What 1 at saying is they can't build the prof
Wed without a t un ber of earianeta,
Mayor Terre: Mutt 1 atn saying is, that he showed us the project
with these little red stripes in it, and he said yeti could build that prejeet
with out any variances, is that right or tatting?
Mr. Acton: I can't answer because I didn't: review
the cottc ieaiott. it is the old story that you can build...-.
Mayor yerre; I know it is the old shield story but it makes a lot of sense
to me. 1 have fallen for that old story for 5 years and let the tell you what'
the ole story is. The old story I can build 41 units, now forget that he said
5 years or 10 years ago, he says I can build now 41 units, t can either build
them 100 ft. less or 50 ft. less, or whatever it is, or 50 ft. more, and if I
go higher end up with more green area, here is what I at giving and here is
what I want. If we turn around and say we won't accept that and he goes ahead
and builds his 41 units that are smaller and more spread out, and a lower building
we end up with another monstrosity, ---I always use that example but every time
I drive down U.S.1 and see that monstrosity, and remember that we could have
had one building there, one building, it would have been a high-rise and the
green area would have been so much more than what we have with these 5 or 6
horrible white monstrosities on U.S. 1,---I think they are monstrosities, —
and I remember the argument on that one. That was back in 1968 or 69 or 70,
I am talking about 17th and Dixie and the developer came to us and said
look, let me build this building,' and it was this kind of case, and George
Acton had the same argument, this is the old story, you know let them build
what they want, the guy said look, 1 can build without getting one variance
but it will be a horrible project. I'll do because I'll sell them, and I'll
get my money but for the community you are better off with this building,
and the administration said no, the neighborhood said no, there were
thousands of people that said they would not accept it, the man said okay,
we turned him down and he went out and built his buildings and it is absolutely
an abomination and there is not one single variance that he needed, so after
that experience my attitude on all this is 'give me', ---you give me a little
bit and I am willing to play on this thing, as long as what we get is more than
what we give. I don't if that is true in this particular building, and that is
what I would really like to talk about.
Mr. Reboso: George, let me ask you a question
area, can he build 41 units in that lot?
if he
reduces the floor
Mr. Acton: He has 75,000 sq. ft of lot area, --it is 1800 s
it sounds about ,-tght, around 40 units,----
ft. per unit,
Mr. Reboso: So he can built the same amount of units.
Mr. Acton: I can't say he can build the same without analyzing what he
has brought before you, because there are other restriction in there such as
you can't exceed 100.lineal feet in the building itself.
Mr.. Plummer: George why don't you sit down and figure it out because
I think your whole case really hinges on that, If he can build 41 units
without a variance, I think we are talking about the difference between a
nice size apartment and a smaller apartment. I think that is really what
yor are talking about. I think it behooves you to figure it out, can he, or
can he not?
Mr,` Acton: Commissioner Plummer, as I said before, there are some huge
trees on this site, what he showed you is the removal of three of those trees.
Mayor Ferre: Isn't that the real problem George.?
Mr. .tLtun: Than is one of the big problems, the fact is those trees
are su"rouge I doubt if they could be moved without losing them, There are a
coup h of large oak trees plus a huge ficus, The unit designs he showed you
that he is requesting three variances on, will cause the removal of those
trees.
Mayor Ferre: That is the tragedy of all of this,
MAY 8- 1975
Mr. Actont The reason 1 oant t sit dawn and figure that out is
1 don't have the location of the trees, t e have to analyze how long the builditrgs
ran be, it is mn:tlt mare involved than juet sitting down and figuring what the
Maximum density shoved in that site.
Mr. Reboot): DO have already the fin ting tot this building the one
you presented to us.
Mr. Corbatto: Yes
Mayor yerre: George you are making an argument, and 1 think there is
a fallacyit it, and I at all confused about it. you are trying to save sotme
trees, 1 understand and agree, but what tat telling you is, that if tat turn
these people down, and they build a building they say they are going to build,
they are going to tear down those trees anyway, is that true or not?
Mr. Acton: They have to have permits to remove trees.
Mayor Ferre: And you know they are going to go to court, which you
are going to force eventually, there goes the tree ordinance, because you
know darn well, you know what Iwas going to say, I am not going to say it
Mr. Acton: Mr. Mayor this site was originally zoned R-2 about three years
ago, was changed to R-3A'in recognition of the fact that there is an apartment
building next door, if a developer had followed the R-2 zoning would
have put in much less intensity, I think it is a falacious argument, the
maximum' density, allowed is listed in each of our zoning regulations but you
very seldom can achieve that'maxitnum density because the other requirements
in the regulations. I understand what you are trying to say and I totally
endorse the approach that if the City of Miami can get something in return
for recognizing that there is much to be gained in the flexibility of the
zoning ordinance, then it should do so. We said there are trees on that site
and for that reason we are willing to work with the developer in recommending
certain types of variances if he could save those trees, even if it amounts to
violating the height of the buildings which we say he should do, but -I just
use the argument that I can put in 41 units and make a monstrosity I don't
think is the type of approach the city should be using ,in trying to work out
this type of problem.
Mayor Ferre: I can show you one monstrosity after another where that
is exactly what happened because we were going to be stubborn and that is
not the kind of approach this city is going to take and we didn't take it
and the monstrosities are 'there.
Mr. Reboso: The main concern at this moment Mr. Mayor is the unemployment
that we have in this community. If these people have the financing of that
building, I don't see how we went out of the way to help Claughton Island
and when a small builder comes here, it is so difficult.
Mayor Ferre: With all due respect, I_ think that is fine but I can't
subscribe that we are going to do something just because a lot of people
are unemployed, as much as I want to see construction going, I' think we have
to do this on the merit of the situation, and I think the merits is the argument
we have to stick to. Father Gibson had a question that has not been answered,
that is, who rezoned this property. Did you rezone it?
Mr. Corbatto When I first prepared the previous scheme, that property
was already rezoned R-3A.
Mayor Ferre That is not my question, the question is, who is the owner
of the property, When did you buy the property,
Mr, Corbatto: Two years ago and it was already rezoned,
Mayor Ferre: Then ladies and gentlemen my point is that that has nothing
to do with our discussion today , what is before us is not whether it irs R-2 or
R=-3,
N PLummer: Dave do I remember that that was rezoned at the urging of
the department.
Mr, Simpson; That is correct,
MAY ;8 1915
Simpson: i say R-3A bee
Mt, Pluemert The department urged that that be
Mt, Simpson: The Board and the cotttmission did,
Mr. Plummer: The telephone company went in, and then the 2nd tall
apartment house went in, 1 remember the wording, it was a unique size
because it was almost 300 ft, deep, and George Acton, if 1 am not mistaken,
I'll stand corrected if need be, stated at that time that this would be a
tremendous thing to ward off another high-rise apartment to put in garden
type, and recommended the R-3A, so that is where the zoning came from Mr, Mayor,
Mr. Simpson: The application for the change it zoning came in to our
office by way of a previous owner, and the request was for an R-4 classification
without any height limitations.
Mr. Plummer: I think it was a number of owners.
Mayor Terre: In other words, it was the city who rezoned the property?
Mr. Simpson: No, the application came in for a request for R-4, with
no particular building project that could be tied to that specific location,
and during the course of the zoning hearing, it was recognized that Bell Telephone
had a large structure just to the south of this, there were two existing apartment
buildings to the north of it, and rather than consider the'R-4 classification
to that property, at the urgent request of the department and Board members
and members of the commission, it was changed to an R-3A.
Mr. Plummer: I still get back to the same point, I want to know, if in
fact if this man were to build smaller units he in fact could still put them
without a variance.
Mr. Acton: I recommend you defer this item and analyze the site to
see what to do. I can't sit here and ----
Mrs. Gordon: I would like to ask Mr. Acton to confer with our parks
department because of the fact of the trees, are a large part of your concern.
It seems to me I recall when we widened Bayshore Drive that a lot of large
trees were root prumed'and saved. If,'I am wrong tell me. I want you to check
with the Parks Dept. and with the man who is a specialist in that field over
there to come back and when you come back, let us know whether these trees
can be moved to another portion of the site.
Mr. Plummer: Those things are huge.
Mrs. Gordon: They may be huge, but you can root prune trees,
going to say they will grow again, but they could.
Mayor Ferre: It is a valid point and I think it ought to be part of
the report of the management when it comes back.' There is a motion and second
for deferral for further study on the part of the department, and the architect
will meet with Mr. Acton and his staff and see if this can be worked out and
would you bring it back Mr. Andrews for the May 22 or the 1st meeting in June.'
This item is deferred to May 22nd.
I am not
A motion to defer this matter to the meeting' of May "22 was passed
and adopted by'a unanimous vote of the commission,
20, AMEND SEC,39-20(F)
QF Ckr< CQDE,
PROVIDING FOR MINIMUM CHARGE OR
PERCENT OF GROSS RECEIPTS
gQccER EVENT. AT QfANGE, AWL STAOJ UJ1
Mr. Plummer: Paul, let me ask a question,-----R-take the vote then
I'll .3t.k the question.
Mayor Terre; There is a motion and second -r---call the roll
r�Tp44c(WM.W
MAY 8 R 1975
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 39.40 (f) (I) 'OP Tat CODE
Op THE CITY OP M1AM1 TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM CHARGE Off`
1, 000. 00 OR 10% 'OR THE coRSS RECEIPTS PROM TICKET SALES
POk PROFESSIONAL SOCCER EVENTS HELD AT THE MIAM1 ORANGE
BOWL; PROVIDING P'OR INCtti tt G 1N THE CODE OP THE CITY
Op M1AMI; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES tN 'CONFLICT HEREWITH;
AND FURTHER PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE
Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of April 10, 1915was
taken up for its second and final reading by title and adoption.
On motion of Commissioner Gibson, seconded by Comtissioner Rebpsp, the
Ordinance was thereupon given its second and final reading by title and
passed and adopted by the following vote:'
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
THE ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO.8398.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and to the public.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Andrews and maybe to the commission,I am sorry to
tell you, I don't know'if any of you have been to any of the Torro games,
and I only go for 10 or 15 minutes, Mr. Mayor I am scared that the
Torros are going under. I realize the City is helping them here, but I
would hate to see a segment of the sports of this communitywhich a lot
has gone into, really what I want to say to you, is there anything beside
a reduction in the rent, I thought maybe in the areas of additional publicity
or something that this city could help to do something even though I am not
a soccer far, I would like to see one more segment of sports be kept in this
community and I would like you to give some thought to trying to do something
whether it is in the. areas ofpublicity or what it is, and come back to this
commission with some ideas to try to let this city be helpful to the Torros.
I think it is a must.
Mr. Andrews: I think because of the Commission's interest.and in fact
these are things that have not been recommended to you that you are doing this
of your own volition, you ought to adopt this in the form of a motion.
M r. Plummer: Mr. Mayor I'll adopt a motion at this time that this commission
go on record of urging the administration to ----how do you want it, directing
the administration to assist the Toros Soccer team in every way possible to see
that they continue in the City of Miami and the Orange Bowl.
Mayor Ferre; There was a wonderful article in the Miami News,it
was a sad story about the coach and what do we have to do, we won four
games, we are the top in league, we are undefeated, we have great players,
and can't get people to go to the games.
Mr, Plummer; The last game I attended they about 4,000 in attendance,
I think it is only fair, cooperation is a two-way street, I think you ought
to talk tc them and see if it is possible that only haif of the stadium is
?pt:n. 1 t;Ink tiac might be a possibility. I remember when I was in High School
durir4; some of the school games it didn't draw much more of a crowd, they split
the 50, she visiting team wa.., here and the other team there, and Ithink we ought
to consider that, because from the stand point of senurity and right on down the
line, .'ean-up cost and everything I think it would be a much greater thing for
the ci y, if we are going to help them, I think they should cooperate with ue,
.1syor Ferre: No further discussion, call the roll--
The following motion yea introduced by Co .seinner Plummer who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO, 7S=443
A MOTION DIRECTING THE Ct `' MANAGER TO A5sIST THE
MtAMt TOROS SOCCER TEAM IN ANY WAY PoSSItt.E TO tNSURE
THEIR CONTINUED ACTIVITIES AT THE ORANGE BOWL STAtittTh
Upon being seconded by Cotnir►issioner Gibson, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Perre
NOES: None.
MAY 8 - 197s
21, CHANGE ZONING CLASSIFICATION
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AREA BOUNDED BY: N.W. 2 & 3 AVES.
N.W. 3 & 5 STS. -BLOCK 75N & 88N
MIAMI B-41
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE COMPREHENSIVE
ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI, BY CHANGING THE
ZONING CLASSIFICATION ON AREA BOUNDED BY N.W. 2ND AND 3RD
AVENUES, AND N.W. 3RD AND 5TH STREETS, BLOCKS 75N AND 88N,
MIAMI (B-41) FROM C-4 (GENERAL COMMERCIAL) AND R-4 (MEDIUM
DENSITY MULTIPLE) TO GU (GOVERNMENT USE) ,' AND BY MAKING THE
NECESSARY CHANGES IN THE ZONING DISTRICT MAP, MADE A PART OF THE
SAID ORDINANCE NO. 6871, BY REFERENCE AND DESCRIPTION IN ARTICLE III,
SECTION 2 THEREOF; BY REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS,
OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY
PROVISION
Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of April 10, 1975, was
taken up for its second and final reading by title and adoption.
On motion of Commissioner Plummer,' seconded by Rev. Gibson, the ordinance
was thereupon given its second 'and final reading by title and
passed and adopted by the following vote c
AYES Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J.L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A Ferre.
NOES None.
THE ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO.'8399.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members' of the City
Commission and to the public,
MAY
.ilANGE ZONING CLAS I f I c A I I ON MilMt
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED
tll 1t'1!'1t 1RAt:1 ('i1. `►1t
C T D1) (GQvT tAt)
AN ORD/NANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE COMPREHENSIVE
ZONING ORDINANCE POR THE CITY OF' "MIAMI, BY CHANGING THE
ZONING CLASS PICATION ON PROPERTY SOUTH OP N.W. 20TH STREET,
BETWEEN N.W. 12TH AND 14TH AVENUES, BEING NW 1/4 OP NE 1/4
Off' NW 1/4 LESS N. 35' OF SECTION 35, TOWNSHIP 53S RANGE 41E
UNPLATTED, AND TRACT "A" MIAMI MUNICIPAL TRACT (51-85),
FROM RAC (RESIDENCE OFFICE) TO GU (GOVERNMENT USE), AND BY
MAKING THE NECESSARY CHANGES IN THE 2ONINGDISTRICT MAP MADE
A PART OP THE SAID ORDINANCE NO. -6871, BY REFERENCE AND
DESCRIPTION IN ARTICLE III, SECTION 2 THEREOI'; BY REPEALING
ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS, OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT;
AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION
Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of April 10, 1975was
taken up for its second and final reading by title and adoption. •
On motion of Commissioner Plummer, seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the
Ordinance was thereupon given its second and final reading by title and
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES:
Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
THE ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO.8400.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and to the public.
MAY 8-1975
23. PERSONAL APPEARANCE:
MR, ` STEPHEN CAHEN
SUBJECT: PEDDLER'S LICENSE Cnscussz0N).
Mayor Ferre: We are now on item 13 appearance by Mr. Stephen
Cahen, in reference to peddler's license, is he here?
Mr. Stephen Cahen: My name is Stephen Cahen, I am an attorney and I
practice at 912 Biscayne Bulding in Miami.
Mr. Plummer: Do you reside in the city, sir?
Mr. Cahen: Yes, --would you like the address?
Mr. Plummer: No.
Mr Cahen: Iam here to speak about two ordinances you have on the books
that you may not be really aware of as a city commission, One is called 40-4
and I'll give you the essense of the ordinance without the exact words. It says
a peddler on the public streets cannot peddle within 300 ft, of an established
business or store selling the same class of goods. This ordinance I became aware
of because I found out a youthful person in Coconut Grove who made their own
futithc- ,Lwelry and was selling it in Coconut Grove and got arrested, It' seems
like ;,c:z•e is something wrong, to me, that this could be, ---I thought peddling
was lawful, if you have something to sell, you can do it. It doesn't become
lawful 4f it threatens a business nearby, selling the same class of goods, so
have traveled elsewhere and I found that peddling is common all over the world
-I imagine most business today is done that way, I have even seen it in
dictatorships, we are supposed to be a free country, Miami takes no exception to
this, we are arresting people because they are peddling goods, lust for that alone
rr
and we are ehargittg them under an ordinance that salve it%u are NW1 ing it lwt'
A store that is selling the same rlaas Of terchandiae3 1 looked up the law in
regard td that,,.,
Mayor 1erre You did what?
Mr, Ca ien: I looked up the law it regard to that,,......==in regard to
that, in my opinion you legal department differ because they -have to defend
.,.“-,that it is unconstitutional, for a city or any municipality to favor
+one business over another, one eeonotnic interest over another.
Mr. Plumtnert May I interject something, I doti't know if all of the
Commission was here before whet we went through this quite extensively on
this peddler's law pertaining to the flower children, and I think I have to
tell you something that came out because it is eventually going to come out
again, and I think you must read between the lines, and between the lines
clearly states we don't want peddlers, ---we don't want peddlers in the city
of Miami, we don't want a New York where there are push -carts going down the
street and people having to put up legitimate businesses, provide all the
facilities we, the City impose upon them of restrooms and things of this
nature, and then allow another ran to go out and operate a business to produce
a livelihood and he doesn't have to provide these amenities for his customers.
The thing it was approached on before was simply that these were usually a way
that the streets were impeded in traffic flow by peddlers. Most peddlers do
business from a cart of some kind, or some rolling device.
Mr. Cahen: I am speaking of foot peddling.
Mr. Plummer: The typical peddler does operate, and I think the ordinance
was put in for the ice cream peddlers that went around on a bicycle kind of thing
where a lot of people were injured, but I think the over-all basis of many hearings
we had before really just says one thing, --'this city doesn't want peddlers', --
I think you had better speak to that before you start talking about one against
the other. I bring that out so you don't have to go way out on a tangent.
Mr. Cahen: I was hoping that wasn't the case frankly, but I am glad you
brought it, so I don't have to address myself to the question, because the
ordinance is like 50 years old, so I figured the city maybe wasn't aware of the
ordinance.I' say that legally, it is my opinion that whether the city on in
this particular case, several commissioners or what have you, do not like
peddlers, or want peddlers in the City of Miami, ---
Mayor Ferre: That is true, ----
Mr. Cahen: that the Supreme Court of the United States and the
Florida Court have held that peddling is lawful occupation is taking away
a property right and liberty right not to allow a person to exercise
Mayor Ferre: We are going to end up spending three hours on
I am not a lawyer but I'll tell you how I see it, government has the right
as I understand to license and regulate, and we do that with liquor licenses
for example and a lot of other licenses we have, What I understand Plummer to
say is,
Mr. Plummer: ----under the police powers,
Mayor Ferre: ----that under our police powers we have the right to
require certainminimumstandards and if people don't meet them then they
can't do whatever it is they want to do.
Mr. Cahen This isn't a case of standards, this is outright prohibition--
t is one thing to regulate but you cannot prohibit.
Major Ferre: Let's hear our legal department
Mr, Weston, Asst City Atty; First Mr, Mayor I don't think this is the
place to debate the legality or the constitutionality to the issue, however
we are not prohibiting we are only licensing and we are allowed to do this
under the police powers, and the law recognizes it is a more expensive proposition
to police peddlers and for that reason the licenses can be at a different" fee.
I`think we are operating legally and authori;ed to continue to do 80,
MAY 8 1975
Mayor petrel This is a eitteen who obviously has enough concern
about this to cotes and speak to a geverImerta1 body about
it; entitled to be heard. Sinee it is a technical, legal problem,....,.
Mr. Cahettt 1 won't argue the technical legal preblem, that will be
for the legal department or the court, 1 cotne here not to argue legalities
before you. 1 at here to try to persuade you to change the ordinate and
to give you reasons why.
Mayor Ferret If the legal department of the City of Miami tells
us that it is unlawful for us to regulate and should permit open peddling
then as tar as 1 am concerned, that is one set of oireutnatances. On the
other hand they tell us it is legal, then 1 want to express to you my opinion,
and I'll start by telling you this. I think my good friend Ken Meyers who
served in Tallahassee and whom I have a great deal of respsect for, is completely
out of his mind in relationship to this alcohol problem, t think philosophically
it is a great idea, that alcoholism shouldn't be a problem as far as crime is
concerned, but you ask these fellows wearing the blue uniform what they think
about it and what kind of problems this creates for them, and how they regulate
this community, when it is no longer a crime to be drunk, ---to be a vagrant on
street, completely drunk. You ask Rev. McKinley of the downtown Methodist Church
whatkind of, impact this has on his community, and you ask how it affects citizens.
We are always worrying about the perpetrators of problems, about the criminal
and the guy who is drunk, but we don't seem to be too concerned in government.,
At least that has been my observation in the past 10 years, about the people
who end up being the victims, about the people who end up paying, ---sure' it is
all right' let that poor fellow go out and stagger along the street and be drunk.
He has a right to do that, but how about the dozen of people he pan handles
and pushes and when they go down, we have had incidences in town when some of
these drunks, will bo down to let blood, and they are refused, because they
are drunk. You know what they do? We have this on record, the police department
can tell you, they go out and set fire to a car because they are angry, so we
are going to have to wait till they set fire to a car or beat somebody on the
head, or pan handdle or dom e something, and some of them have committed much
worse crimes than that because it is not a crime to be drunk anymore.;I know
there is no comparison between that and peddling. I am not saying that it is
anywhere near in the same category to say that a man cannot peddle, and I under-
stand, and as a matter of fact in a lot of places in Europe where'I visited it
is very pleasant to sit there in the cafe and have vendors come and sell you
little things and as long as they don't become too obnoxious. I have also been
in places where I have had to go back to my hotel room because I couldn't get
rid of the 30 peddlers and kids trying to sell you all this junk.' So it goes
both ways. It is very nice in certain places and very disturbing in others. This
happens to be a regulation that has been of long standing in this country in
most local communities including Miami. My personal opinion is, I am sorry
I, think we have to worry about the majority of the people who are affected
by these types of situations.
Mr. Plummer: Mr Mayor also keep in mind too, that one of the reasons
that this commission looks favorably on a flea market type of operation was
just that, that we discourage the peddlers and encourage the peddlers to use
an in -door facility where there were facilities for the public such as bath
rooms and comfort stations and things of that nature. There was some discussion
-- some commissioners did not like a flea market, but this did give an alternative
for the peddlers to peddle their goods but in an organized manner and regualted
by the City,so I think that is also very important.
Mr. Cahen: I believe that peddlers in Coconut Grove, you have, a special
community where you do have a number of youths, artists and craftsmen and they
need to make a living through peddling.' They can't afford to buy a store, and
are left with an alternative that they would have to sell stuff to the store
to sell to the public and be at their mercy that way. I think you should allow
an area in the main stream, Coconut Grove for example, if you want to allow another
outlet 1.>t the way you have it right now, you do have a prohibition against
peddiin6. I guess it was the City Attorney who spoke a moment ago. He was speaking
about t.h.• license fee which, is the other item I want to take up, which is you
section 36, but I feel now that 40-4 which has nothing to do with the license'
fee, ar.,: ;las nothing to do with the regulations, is a direct prohibition against
pe _ iinf; within 300 ft, of an established ' store selling the same class of merchandise.
yr. Plummer: Is it your contention sir, that we don't have the right to
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put such foot regulations, la that your contention?
Mr. Cahen: Yea, if the regulation is to havor the store
is also my Contention,:,..
Mr. Plummer Ate you also awete sir, that we do preaentiy put a foot
distance regu ationa on liquor store t4e do it on filling stations, and on
voting days we do it from the polls.
Mayor yerre What concerns me is the philosophy of all this. 1 understand
what you are saying. My philosophy is that if a man is paying taxes, and he
is part of this community, and he is paying occupational licenses and all types
of fees to be able to do business, we in government have a right to protect
----we have an obligation to protect him. 1 have no objections for example
in certain areas, where peddling would be permitted. I would have no objections
to that on a zone basis.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor I think were about to hit on a very fine point.
You just didn't go far enough. This city has to operate on revenue.One of the
biggest basis of our revenue is ad valoren taxes. A man who is operating a
business in a place of business under a roof, is in one way whether it is
a renter or direct, pays ad valorem taxes, why should he be at a disadvantage
to operate under a roof, where a peddler pays no ad valorem taxes. He pays
a single fee and goes out and is in competition with the man who is paying
the revenues of this city.
Mr. Cahen: I don't believe that peddling is such a competition as is
going to put the retail stores out of business. I don't know of any area .
Mr. Plummer: It is going to take business away from them sir.
Mayor Ferre: That is not the point. No question that Burdines and most
of the store ire going to survive. That is not the point: There are two points,
----three points, --philosophically I think government' has, the right to regulate,
(I believe that) 2,`I think the people whoare in business,' who are paying fees
licenses and taxes to remain in business, have a right to have certain concessions
or protections from government for their paying those fees, licenses, and taxes.
3--I don't that in this community, taking into consideration the majority of
the people, that it is in the best interest of the majority of the people to
permit peddling.
Mr. Cahen: Why do you believe that?
Mayor Ferree Because Ithink they are entitled to the freedom of their
privacy, and if they want to go and buy a commodity, an apple, a button, a tee-
shirt or pornographic book, that they have a right to go and enter the store
of their choosing, and buy whatever it is they want to buy. I don't think
that a citizen sitting in a restaurant, in a park or walking on the street
should be accosted by an individual trying to sell him something that he is
not looking to buy. If he wants to buy it, let him go to the store to buy it.
That is my personal opinion.
Mr. Cahen: The citizen would have a choice. He would have greater freedom.
He could buy items in the store, if he sees a peddler offering something on
the street, he would have a chance to buy that too. I would think there is
greater freedom rather than less freedom of choice to the citizen and,
Mayor Ferre: Against his will, of course,
Mr Cahen: No, not against his will, we are not talking about being accosted
or assault and battery or anything like that
Mayor Ferret I am not too sure
v. Cah.:n: If that is the case you can arrest them for
battery, That is another area,
:layoff' Ferre, Then we are going to have to have policemen in every corner,
Lec me tell you something, and I'll be frank with you, the Mtami Herald had
an ed.,.or.Ial about a week ago about pornography and how we should give freedom
s=-freedom of print and press, 'what -have t-you,=---what Amendment is that?
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'luMMert Brat Amendhent
Mayor Verret = Mot the civil Rights iii, _ t wee rite phiioaophtce1
argument, but you know, that had the reverse affect bt the, and really had
nothing to do with the_ :�:., it gtt to the, i read the thing over and
over, and baaiea1.ly what it was telling the was that,"=it was a defettee
against this teW supreme court rti1ingA It had just the reverse affect On
me, because if we have probletaa right now, and i think we do have problems
with pornographic shopa, that if you permit peddling, you would have that
type of material being peddled all over this town, just to naive one instance
of the type of thing that I would object to.
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the Comthi8sion may_I add too
the one area that has tot been addressed which I think perhaps is the area
that initiated many of the sections of the City Code and that is we are
utilising the public right-of-way in a special way, when we consider peddlers
licenses. The City has faced for many years the "problem of the permanent 'estab-
lishment located in our community who might choose to use the public rights -of -way
in a way consistent with his business by placing merchandise within the public
right -of-way adjacent to his place of business, and in order for the city to
control both elements, the peddlers and the permanentestablishment, we believe
we have proper controls. Some governmental agencies in the Dade County area
prohibits peddling in their municipalities, Others charge fees far in excess
of what the City commission established as a reasonable fee for peddling. Some
jurisdictions charge as mush as four or five times the fees that we have established.
I think the city has reasonable controls and reasonable fees for the conduct of this
business.
Mr. Cahen: Let me mention just one more thing, I appreciate you attention
in bringing up your thoughts. I see I haven't persuaded you. You do charge
now $187.00 for a peddler's license, and you charge $38.00 for a retail store
merchant, --
Mr. Plummer: Who pays ad valorem taxes in addition,
Mr. Cahen:---that is true, and I am concerned with the high amount,
if you don't want peddlers at all, it makes no difference. For some people,
that is the only work employed, and you giving them a choice, if you are outlawing
them to peddle, to either starve or steal. They can't take part in a lawful
occupation, and 1 would also suggest that the license fee be lowered for a
peddler or they be allowed to pay their fee on installments. For example a
person that is fined today, because he has committed_a crime, he doesn't have
to go to jail if he doesn't have the money, to let him pay the fine on installments
in this case if a person does not have the money, which many peddlers don't,
$187.50 at one time, to pay the license fee, let's let them` pay it on installment.
You have the regulations, you will have their name on record, and you will not
be preventing them just because they do, not have the money at one time, from selling
their goods.
Mayor Ferre: What is your opoinion on this Mr. Andrews?
Mr, Andrews: I recommend we continue the fee as it is now structured.
It is reasonable and when compared to other jurisdictions, it is extremely
fair and it is in proportion to other fees assessed.
Mr. Cohen: How about the installment part Mr. Andrews?
Mr. Andrews: No, I recommend against`. it. Either we institute a system
throughout the city that is uniform, but to single out one,
Mayor Ferre. Does anybody on the commission want to express an opinion,
or change any regulations as they exist regarding this matter at this time.
Hearing none, I think it tells the will of the commission, and I apologize
for making you wait, thank you for your interest and your presentation here
today.
Mr. Chen: Thank you.
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APPOINT COMM!Tt&
241 JUVENILE PREAARR ST INTERVENTION PROGRAM bfiehigAIT N UUC.
1145 Nil. STAPROOPOry
Mayor Ferret The next item is the iuvetiie pre -arrest interventIbrt
pregraL.
Mra. Cordon._ Mayor, fellow Commissioners, and Mr Andrews, t believe
all of you have received a great deal of infortation from me Lo prepare you
for the eonVersation I at going into for the requests I will be making and
hopefully that you will go along with, The request is a proposal to involve.
our youth itt juvenile activities in leisure tine,
personal burglary during the past year sharpened tmy personal concern
for the need to detect and prevent juvenile delinquency. Statistics on the
incidence of juvenile crime may differ but it is acknowledged by all authorities
that most attempts to abate the soaring juvenile related offenses have failed.
In the process of exploring alternative prevention measures I discovered that
grant monies from the federal government are available if proper clearances
from agencies of planning and controllers are secured, In fact in LEAA grant
application prepared by the City of Miami police department to provide
in-depth counseling for one thousand youths, has been approved by local and
state criminal advisory councils and is on its way to Washington. This application
only hopes to deal with one -fifth, of the known cases last year in which attempts
to divert youths from the criminal justice system may have been covered, additional
discretionary funds from LEAA will be available in the summer months, and this
is why I propose, that the City of Miami plan to implement a comprehensive youth
involvement program retaining the 20 year old municipal justice building which
now houses the police department and securing additional federal funds to turn
this facility into a Youth Leisure Services Center. The location and physical
layout of the building are ideal. The total resources of our city including
parks and recreation, man -power and youth corp programs, community affairs and
planning could integrate a program of constructive activities for our future
citizens, inter -park athletic competition could again be provided if buses
and vans were secured, --a symnasium and pool and archery range in place of
the rifle range, a periodical room and music room, many facilities could
be housed in the building, --office space could be available to the many
agencies which serve our youth, many of which are funded now from revenue
sharing, could secure funding under the new grant. There already exists a
canteen, shower and locker space, a theater and projection room on the premises,
an inter -league office and trophy room would be features; a new concept
of an adventure in environment could be incorporated in the planning stage.
Most importantly, the cost of administrative management could be centralized
and with evaluation components built-in from the on -set, the natural experimental
design of the City and County offering different approaches but within a shared
reporting scheme, would high -light the benefits the benefits of having a two-tier
government.
I am excited about this concept and I hope you will support this preliminary
Proposal. If so, by this time next. year,our Bi-centennial, we hopefully will be
providing a possitive and attractive alternative for our young and important
residents.
You have a lot of attachments I have given you and a re -cap of two of the
proposals which passed to which I referred earlier are indicated at the bottom
of the page by a hand written note, --one says 'city' and one 'county.'
I would like to read you a summary of what we could anticipate in this
kind of a program, --this book on juvenile delinquency prevention programs, which
I will make available to any of you wishing to read this,it says;'The general
trend to divert youth from the criminal justice system shold be continued. The
current efforts to handle the problems of youth, particularly first offenders
and minor offenses, without resorting to the law, and the use of advocates
for use to insure that they receive services from the community should be
extended wherever possible. Current efforts to establish youth service bureaus
appear to represent one method of achieving these goals.
I can't tell you how important I feel this step in this direction is
to us,-n'3 city fathers and city mother, because if we are going to re -direct
thoc._ p2o21e who have stepped or about to step out in the wrong direction
we hr:ve to have an alternative. There has to be another way, and this kind of
a syst._;n is another way. This kind of a program could be an out -reach program,
It counc bring in those groups of young people who are bound together in gangs,
if you i,lease,and who are looking for some way to attract attention to themselves,
S art in desperate need of that kind of attention, that can be given in a con-
struccice or destructive way, and it is my hope and desire that we can. direct
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into a ettiatruetive procedure and net a destructive ntie.
Mayor 'erre 1 hope the city trotter vasnl t talking about us Puerto It
t had a feeling when you Mere talking about those gangs -*....�
Mrs. Gordon: t didtit t know you even had gangs
Mr. Plummer You know, Chico,
(laughter)
Mayor Perre: t was being facetious, and I want to point that I completely
agree With the premise, that hose Gordon,.--, 4 watt you other city fathers
to listen,, --the one thing that strikes ire about all of the crime problems
in the nation, and in the City of Miami, and 1 really got into this thing
because I was appointed by the National League of Cities as one of the
Chairmen, 5 committees in the National League of Cities, and one of them
deals with the crime, police and fire departments of the municipalities.
We only have 5 committees in the National League of Cities, and throughout
this country over and over again, the same that seems to recur is the problem
of youth involvement in crime. Some thing like 90% of the criminal problems
serious crimes in this country, are committed by people that under 22 or 23
years old, something like 85 or 90 percent. And if you look at the
rates, you find out that the repetition factor is unbelieveable, and it is
usually these kids , the patterns they follow are, 1, a lot of them are started
through drug problems, not all, but most, 2 they repeat, and when you get into
the crime problem, is when you get into the 3rd time around, you get these kids
that have been there before tow or three times, and they go to jail, and end
up making, hard criminals out of them. That is like the finishing school, if
this commission in this city isn't serious about trying to help the crime
problem in this community, beside supporting our police department, and the
fine new police chief we have, who is doing a fine job, I think it is important
that we address ourselves to the area which blatantly, is the most obviously
and significantly repetitious problem in the cold crime picture, and'I would
recommend to those of you who have not done this to read the U.S. Senate hearings
on this matter and the statistics are staggering. The proof of this is so un-
believeable`and there the U.S. Senate and U.S. Congress has passed a major bill
on this question of juvenile delinquency. It is the single most important
and serious crime problem in this country, and we in this community are going
around worrying about plasma banks and worrying about drunks and this very major
problem is really so vast and important and complicated, and the impact is so
great that we don't seem to address it as much as we should, and therefore in
principle Rose, I agree with the premise that you have established here now.
How do we go about it, and where do we, get the funds and where we do it
is something,
Mrs. Gordon: I can help you with some of those things because I have
done some more investigation than I have told you about. Mr. Tarro who is
with the State Div of Youth Services, who sits on the State Advisory Committee
on Criminal Justice which makes recommendations to LEAA was in attendance as
was Author who is director of youth services for Metropolitan
Dade County Youth Advisory Council meeting about a week ago, and they are all
enthused about this joint effort to redirect the pre -delinquent child. I would
like to read one more paragraph if I may Mr. Mayor into the records because
it really states the facts well, it says, 'Tentative evidence exists that
diverting youth from the criminal justice system and into some alternative
form of treatment may be more cost effective than the process of court proceedings
and incarceration although there is some disagreement that diversion is less
expensive than institutionalization. Certainly diversion appears to offer a
more humane treatment, than institutionalization, particularly if the argument
is made that diversion should be applied to first offenders and those who have
committed juvenile status crimes and other minor offenses as opposed to the
more serious offenses.' If indeed as a society we are more interested in education
renabii t.aLion and providing opportunities for people to lead useful lives, than
we :I.€ in ;punishment, revenge and control of pepole's lives, diversion seems
a worse serious consideration for us.
l iere to go from here, the money is available, Mr, Andrews, would you like
to add4�ss yourself to this, to us?
Mr. Andrews; Yes, I would,-
Mayor tette: Mr, Andreas before yobs d a that lefts give everybody
on this OMMissiott the opportunity to express an opinion if they so desire
theta l ii recogftite you for a statehettt if you giant
Mr, pitinm er; ttose, except for the building tirhioh this ctittthisaion
went on record sometitne ago of asking the Manager to deal with the Couttty
Manager about acquisition for juvenile facilities. unless 1 am wrong and I
hope I am, t don't see this program as outlined in the first three pages as
much more than a park program of inter park athletic competition, a gyttnasiutn,
pool, archery range, rifle range a periodical room and music room and going
on,-�— what I am questioningis this Rose, how does this affect, if it is a
juvenile program, my area of concern have been in the courts and detetntioit
facilities,= ----if what I understand, this is a prograttt to try to keep the
youngsters from getting into trouble, is that what it is?
Mrs. Gordon: --or if they have committed a minor offense which is referred
to as a juvenile offense, and if they are a first offender, they can diverted
and rechanneled into progressive avenues and these programs will not deal with
the child alone but the child in the child's environment,the home, the family
it deals with every aspect of why this child is leaning in the wrong
direction, and if we don't do something about the child at that level, forget
it. Once they get the feel of a criminal stigma attached to them, forget it,
because by that time it is going to cost us too much to try to divert them
and an almost impossible task.
As I said before, and I don't want to elaborate too much, because we
have a lot of work today to do, if we don't attack this problem on the pre
delinquency or the pre -criminal, stages, then we are going to have to be dealing
with it on the basis of more police and more jails, and more courts and more
judges and all the rest of the bit, so I will say whatever I have to say in
addition to this after you have all had a chance to speak.
Mr. Plummer: She has answered the question, Mr. Mayor my only qualm is
how does it affect the juvenile system where the crying need is, it tries
to attack it from another way, and I see that is the answer.
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the commission, of course this
is a very serious and complicated area that you have entered into discussion,
and I embrace much of what Commissioner Gordon has advocated, and I think the
fact that the City of Miami has an application which is being processed in
the amount of $247,500.00 through LEAA funds which are discretionary funds
speaks to itself and we recognized,( and know you do too, Mrs. Gordon) when
that application was made up that we were addressing ourselves to approximately
1/5 of the total problem that we could approach and that was done for several
reasons, 1, the pholosophy that you must first learn to crawl before you walk
or walk before you run, was to develop the administrative organization that
could begin to grope with this new approach, secondly and perhaps more important
than that, there was 8 1/2 million dollars set aside for the entire nation, one
million dollars among 8 or 9 southeastern states, so we are vying for these
funds, with everyoneelseon the basis that there is approximately a million
dollars immediately available. More funds may become available later this summer,
and i am aware of that. I am also perplexed with another thought in relation to
juvenile delinquency, in that I'd like to quote some statistics for you and
then discuss this specific building. There was an extremely interesting article
that appeared in U.S. World News and Report about 8 months ago in which it
attempted to capture in a concise way the whole problem of ciminality and its
cost and what is occuring throughout the nation, and that report indicated that
the nation was spending 40 billion dollars annually of which about 8 billion went
into local policing effort to to correct, that over the past 10 years
it indicated a steep increase in the number of criminal offenses occuring in this
country, this is felonies, and not other types of problems, and the rates of
arrests trapped very closely the now 10 million crimes per year that are committed.
In other words the apprehension rate trapped it fairly well, in proportion, The
thin,., that was really surprising, is that over a 10 year period, there are less
people ,. jail uday with the increased population and this fantastic increase
in mime than there wnrc 10 years ago. You don't have to know anything about
the c, final justice :,"stem for that statistic to begin telling you something,
that there is something ser;ously wrong with the criminal justice system.
Mayor Ferre:There is no question about it.
Mr. Andrews; The second part of that is that we have entered for past 3.5-18
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years a Metinl etpetiMont itt tvhith we are attempting to put because we
are coteertted about out tomm mity and about our country, Muth money into
prevention and prevention has it a proper plate but so does punishment and
you cannot escape the fact that you have to balance prevention with punishment.
Relating that philosophy to this particular buil.dirig, we have so few facilities
it Dade Coutty that can be specifically used for, and embracing all of youth
eervicee from the criminal justice point of view) rather than from the prevention'
point of view that I think the conitnission should take time tr find out whith`would
be of greater benefit to this community at this time, Whether it would be orte in
which we would as Mrs. Gordon pointed out, turn this facility into a youth Leasure
services tenter,. �. �..
Mayor Ferret Paul what does he want to do, make a jail out of it?
Mr. Andrews: No, 1 did not say jail, I said a youth services center from
the criminal justice point of View.
Mayor Terre. A detention center then?
Mr. Andrews: Not even a detention center,
Mayor Perre: What do you want to call it,---- -
Mr. Andrews: The courts need assistance and others, and we don't have
the facilities, --Dade County is struggling right now with trying to expand
its court system and other areas associated with thecriminaljustice system,
and this building was designed specifically for that purpose, and while I am
not in disaccord with what Mrs. Gordon is attempting to achieve, I think some
values have to be placed upon which is the better use of this particular facility.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Andrews, I am surprised at you. I am really surprised at
you, you are saying let them become criminals, in effect,
Mr. Andrews: No, I am not,
Mrs. Gordon: ---and let's put them, in there after they are criminals
and t am saying let's not have criminals, let's make them productive citizens
in this building, believe me, we won't need so many places to incarceratethem
if we will prevent them from becoming criminals. I don't even think it is worthy
of a comparable' situation. I would respectfully ask you Mr. Mayor if you would
appoint me, and any other commissioners that wish to serve as a committee to go
into this more fully, because I don't think that at this afternoon's meeting we
can fully cover it, and work with the Manager and his staff and the various agencies
that are concerned with services to youth and let us cme back and make a report
to this commission within 30 days and if this committee comes in with a recommendation
that we should apply for these funds, then we should go forward and apply for these
funds but we should not waste too much time in applying for these funds because
if you are not going to use them in one building you can use them in another
building, and I would so direct, ask you Mr. Mayor, if you would direct the
Manager to begin immediately to write up a proposal to request these funds be
giv-1 to us here in the City of Miami on cooperative basis to work together
with all the other youth services agencies here in Dade County,
Mayor Herres I am going to express my opinion briefly, and my problem is
I really agree with both of you, and let me tell you why I agree with both of
you. Paul I want you to listen to this, Senator Dempsey Barron has put a bill
Into theFlorida Senate which has passed the Senate and I think has passed the
Douse, and it is going to become the law of the State of Florida, and you know
what it says, it says that anybody that is caught in a criminal act with a gun
in his hand, as I understand it, goes automatically to jail for 3 years. In my
opinion, that one is long overdue we should have had that one a long time ago.
You know what that is going to do to the jail population of the State of Florida,
Raiford Prison is now at 13,000, -- they are now building a tent city
because there 300 additional prisoners, that there is no place for them at
12ti i''r :;.;' they are now thinking of reopening other detention and prison
ar,::.ti; ' it ;Lave not been in use for years, and if we pass a law like this,
whl.cl: -Wen to be tor, T happen to be for a lot stronger law, but this
is fine as a beginning. You knew what is going to happen to the prison population
of tip.,_ :ata,-----what Mr. Andrews is saying, forget the United States, loot at
tn�_ ~ace of Florida, if you look at the population of Florida and how it has
grown, you also trace the number of people that have been put in prisons or
in the prl.son system, it is nowhere near as much, Part of these people that
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ate a part of the criminal pattern, ate it what we tall the revoivitg de
and what is happening is, beeauee we don't have either the prevettatiVe thethoda
or we don't have the ultitaate solution, or we &ot't nave etttugh priatfa, goat
of these critnitala are basically either Oh their way to court of through
the process of corning back from jail, or what have you. you heard Elizabeth
Vtrrick come here before us, what was giieabeth t trrick toticerned about? glitabeth
Virrick said that our wonderful Governor who -1 thttk is a gool governor was
letting a thousand prisoners out of jail.. 1 tailed thetovernor, he said what
do you want tie to do, these people don't fit it the jail, it is a tremendous
problem in itself, we have he choice, we have to parole these people before
their prison terms ate over, so they parole the ones they think are the moat
parbleable atd otit they went, I think starting January or February,'1
want you to know, and 1 don't know this for a fact, 1 want you to verify this,
but somebody in the legislature told me that he had herad from Mr. Lewis Wainwright
that of the thousand people that were paroled, much more than half are already
back and have been booked for criminal acts and are back in the process again.
Mrs. Gordon: You are so right Mr. Mayor, the young people that burglarized
my home had burglarized 15 or 20 place before me and tripled that number afterwards,
had only been put in a state school for a couple of months, you Can't retrain
or redirect a young person in two or three months. All they are in there for is
to find out some better ways to get the job done, when they get out.
Mayor Ferre: I agree,
Mr. Plummer Mr. Mayor I think you have said something that must be
addressed, and you knowitis foolhardy and I compliment you for bringing it
out about the new law passed by Dempsey Barron, but you know right now Mr. Mayor
it is, against the law to carry a concealed weapon, --nobody is in jail for it.
There was a law that was two or three years ago passed, that anybody selling
more than 5 grams of marajuana to a person in school got a mandatory 10 years, --
the first one hasn't been put in jail yet. So you pass laws until you are blue
in the face, but they are just not being executed intheproper manner, so I
hope you are not relying on laws to be the answer because the laws are obviously;,
not the answer.
Mayor Ferre: The problem is so complex, so obviously this is why I can
agree with Rose Gordon and Paul Andrews. The problem is so complex that in my
opinion yes, we do need more stringent laws`. That is one element, --the one
thing that I am convinced of is what is wrong with our judicial system, our
laws, it isn't the fact that the extent of the punishment, but rather that
there is any punishment at all, because what happens is, one, if you are -caught
two, if you are arrested, three, if you are really brought to trial, four, if
after a trial you are convicted, and five if you go to jail, you are paroled.
And if you start looking at statistics and you say that 100 people that commit
criminal acts, how many of them go to jail, --very very few, and those who go to
jail they don't really care because they know that the pressure is on and they
will be paroled and they will be back on the street, what do they care?
Mr, Plummer: Mr. Mayor the three young boys that were involved in the
episode with me, they and their mothers, couldn't have cared less what their
punishment was as long as they didn't go to the State School, you couldn't
care less about the foster home, about the training house about the half -way
houses, they laughed at it. The judge even mentioned sending them to a State
institution, they started climbing walls, and that was their 7th offense each.
Mayor Ferre: The point again in all this is that what is wrong, what we
really need to go to in our law system, is the certainty of punishment, not the
extent of it, I am not saying go to jail for 10 years. If you say that if you
are caught in a such and such criminal act, and you are going to jail for 2 years,
without parole, ---the moment you pass a law like that, you know what happens, you
are going to need three Raifords, not one.
Tr second problem is thewhole court system.
r_ )bler.' is thP parole system
'the Fourth probie;1 is the whole jail system that we have. The juvenile
coui if:, •--getting back to what Rose starts with, there is no question that
If the ma jorl ty of crimes arL being committed by young people, that that is
thir we ought to address,
Mrts. Gordon; The most i.mportatit thing Mr, Mayor is that the child that
we are going to be involved in our program, is the child who is going to get
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tatatted itt trite if we don't come in and help him, and we show him or her
we care, we are not dealing with just otte sex, ue ate going to deal with youth,
attd that is why I loot at it as an important segment supplementing everything
else that we are interested in.
Mayor Petrel I happen to agree with what you are saying, but the paint
is, is exactly how we go about doing it, and what it is we'do it this plate
that you are talking about, because it my opinion, I think both things are needed.`
to the beginnittg area I think we really have to be softer acid tore concerted, I
don't think that a first offender should be put itt jail with a two tither or
three tither, that is crazy. 1 don't think we should treat the two timer the
same way we treat the three timer. If a guy is involved in the same trite
three times we ought to look at him a little bit different. He is not the
same kind of guy.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor you speak for yourself, but as far as I at concerned
the first time they get involved in a crime that includes violence on another
person and injury, that is the time they have to be dealt with right then and
there. No more of the old law the get the first dog bite free, --------if there
is violence, injury to a victim, I say that is the time to deal with them.
Mayor Ferre: If I were the autocrat deciding what would happen to our
jail system I would build three types of jails, --jails for first offenders,
jails for second offenders and jails for people beyond that point, and all
I am saying is, where I agree with Rose Gordon is, in our approach to to these
people that are young, first-time offenders for the most part, and if we can
address them, and if we can somehow save some of these people from continuing
in the system, then I think it is an important obligation of government. That
does not negate the fact Mr. Andrews, that at the other extreme I think we ought
to get a hell of a lot tougher than we have been.
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission, and particularly
Mrs. Gordon, I want to state, again, so you don't misunderstand what I said,
1 thought'I said it real clearly, I` said I -am not in disagreement at all with
your concept All I said was that we ought to evaluate the use of this building.
The Criminal justice system is so desperate for all the facilities that it needs
to carry out its system, while we are attempting to get into prevention, and
do all these other things, -I hope we can get the nine -hundred -thousand or million
to include the five thousand in the total program, which may be needed.
Mrs. Gordon; How much did you think was needed?
Mr. Andrews: We have identified through this project that there are
about 5,000 young people that we would get involved. As that same rate, of
expenditure of a thousand versus the two -hundred -fifty thousand dollars, you
would need about a million dollars to cover them all.
Mrs.` Gordon: You would need a million and a half if you are going
to reach out and bring in those who have not been identified.
Mr. Andrews: What I am trying to point out, here is a public building,
that was designed into the criminal justice system, before we make a decision
to use it for another type of use, let's examine how it might, be used in
the criminal justice system.'
Mrs. Gordon:Let me read you two or three lines, that is all Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: After you read your two lines, I am going to appoint a
committee and the committee is going to be yourself, J.L. Plummer and Father
Gibson, and you meet,you be the Chairman Rose, ----
Mrs. Gordon: I'll be glad to,
The three of you meet and report back; to this commission
whiff t `" r reeommendationas are,
Mrr;, Cordon: I -would 1<ke to read this because the record should reflect,_
that 'potentially delinquent boys could be diverted, and girls, could be
d . , Ear t.r ; from criminal careers if they were provided, and this is the key point,
witrt ihi continued friendship of adults who were interested in them and secure
them access a needed community services, this ino1udes training of different
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kinds, preparation for jobs and they may to delinquent in school and they
may teed some remedial work On the school level, the whole gamut, with their
families, hew they fit in with their families, and etc, Attd also 1 would like
to say to you Mr. Manager since your Concern is not with the scope of the program,
but ita tot:ation, 1 would like this is a very beautiful building and if it becomes
a facility the city owns some day, :Maybe there its a part of it you could aaatfig
to it, At this point l would "like to make a motion that the City of Miami investigate
a plan to implement a comprehensive Youth Itivolvetitent Program and secure additional:
funds for implementing a Youth Leieure Services Center, that leaves it open, whether
it be there, here or somewhere else.
Mayor Ferre: t want to speak in favor of that, and let fie explain this,
If you listen to her motion, and this is the first time I've heard it, I have
not discussed this with Rose and never heard it before, but if you listen to
that motion she has made, she is leaving it open, she is not saying where it
is going to be, she is saying the Manager investigate the possibility of funding
and creating a Youth Leisure Services Center. I at going to tell you hose, right
now, we don't have the money, you know that, we have to find the money.
Mrs. Gordon: Get it from LEAA.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, if we can find the money from a federal source and
it is available that way, that is fine.
Mrs Gordon: Mr. said when I saw him, he was so enthused about
the approach the city might be taking, that he said there were two sources
under LEAA funds that we could tap. One was the youth funds, and the other
was police funds.
Mayor Ferre: Who was it that told you
Mrs. Gordon: His name is Robert Tarro, I never met him before, the
first time I ever saw the man was when I went into a meeting where he was
a part of this meeting.
Mayor Ferre: Let me tell you what the boss said, when I saw Mr. Jerry
Ford up in Hollywood, he is the boss, and when I talked to him, he said LEAA,
oh yeah, we are going to have to re -vamp that whole thing because it just isn't
working, and of course, --
Mr. Plummer: That is what he said about the mass transit.
Mayor Ferre: By the way, he is still the President, ---until the end of
1976 he is going to be, and I am telling you that statement he made to me
was not unique just to me, I am sure all of you read about it and seen it,
because he made it public several times.
Mr. Plummer: Remember the meeting I attended in Washington for you
of the Conference of Mayors, they came out with beautiful impact program
on juvenile delinquency, --three year program 330_million dollars, made
gorgeous headlines, you know what happened, they forgot to write the
appropriations act, and it had a total of 10 million dollars in three
years.
Mayor Ferre: At that dinner with the President, with all the Mayors
around when it came my turn to talk I said, --I talked about three things,
as I remember. One had to do with police compensation, police and firemen
shot in the line of duty, then I got into the question of the LEAA grants
and the whole criminal justice system and after I asked my questions, he
said well, you know there are a lot of serious problems we have to be concerned
about and congress is just not facing up to the issue and the budget and the
energy crisis and off he went talking about the energy crisis, so after the
dinner T, went up to him and said Mr. President I asked you about the LEAA grant,
and 1 t:.:a you ;lave a lot of other things on your mind, you want to talk about
do-no.<<:nr; congress and the energy problem but how about these LEAA problems
ano ked him specifically. I said I talked to Senator Birch $ayh just 'a
few days ago and he told me there were 600 million dollars, ---no, 200 million'
dol ar6. There was a specific appropriation by the U,S. Congress in last year's
budget: tor the Juvenile Act,-----300 million dollars, Up to this time the Ptesi.dept
had Impounded the funds, and I asked him specifically about that. lie said that
LEAA situation has to be very'seri'`ously looked at because it is not working,
That tags his gristlier to use. What
for applying for tam grant, but a
be too optilistie
Mrs Gordon: Okay
seconded it.
CM[ telling !hit* RothsiA4 ttflS 1 all
long as Jerzy Ptsrd is around, 1 wOuit1h't
I di:d move the motion acid l think Father Gtbeon
Mayor Ferre: is Mare any furth
r discussion on the motion?
Mr. Plummer: Not on the motion, the discussion isj the City Attorney
has said Mr. Mayor, we might have a problem with three commissioners in
on the committee, the Sunshine law, having meetings. I'll be glad to drop
off.
Mrs. Gordon: We covered that a long time ago.
Mr. Lloyd: As long as you have the hearing advertised, and take minutes
and open to the public, it is satisfactory. That way you solve the problem.
Mayor Ferre Do it that way, and do it at City Hall.
Mrs. Cordon I think that is fine.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gordon who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-444
A MOTION OF INTENT TO INVESTIGATE A PLAN TO
IMPLEMENT A COMPREHENSIVE YOUTH INVOLVEMENT
PROGRAM, AND. ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN ADDITIONAL FUNDS
FOR IMPLEMENTING A YOUTH LEISURE SERVICES CENTER
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson,
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose.Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore
Vine Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
the motion was passed
Gibson
Mayor Ferre: And -now on the appointments I repeat that I would like
to appoint a committee of Mrs. Rose Gordon, Vice Mayor Plummer and Father
Theodore Gibson to look into the specifics of that facility and see what
it can best be used for and come back with recommendation One or two or more.
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission I have distributed
a resolution to you which I' wish you would consider in reference to this
grant.
Mayor Ferre: What grant?
Mr. Andrews: The grant we are raking application to the Law Enforcement
Assistance Administration,
Mr.%, Cordon: You need a separate motion?
r.ij r i'Lrre It is moved and seconded, any further discussion?
Call tbi roll, -'-
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The fol twittg teselvtion ryas introduced by Commissiottet` Pluftaer, a'ho
tamed its adoption
RESOLUTION NO. 7S 44
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTINGTHE C/TY MANAGER TO
TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION 1O THE U.S. bEPA TKENT 'Of JUSTICE
LAW ENPORC NT ASS/STANCE ADMtNISTRAt1Ot4 Pbtt DISCRETIONARY
FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OP $247,500.00 WITH A CITY CASt4 MATCH
OP $ 27 , 500. 00 TO BE USED BY THE MIAMI POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR
A JUVENILE STATUS OFFENDER DIVERSIONARY PROJECT
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote-
.AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre. NOES None
Mrs. Gordon: And on the funding for the additional program, we need
a motion to have the Manager to go further into that.
Mayor Ferre: What she is saying is, on a separate basis, go for additional
funds.
Mrs. Gordon: Let's not waste any time. Let's prepare ourselves with an
application for a grant, okay.
Mr. Plummer: That will be administered through the police department?
Mayor Ferre: Yes, it will be administered through whoever the City Manager
and the administration proposes, and it says inthe resolution to be used by
the Miami Police Department.
Mr. Plummer: Iam talking about the expanded application is also through
the police department.
Mrs. Gordon That we should leave open for discussion at this time,
a comprehensive plan, ---I don't know if the police department wants to take
enough personnel out of their department to operate it.
Mr. Plummer I don't want it as a separate department. That is what I am
trying to avoid. The point I am trying to make is this, if these in fact are
coming from a law enforcement grant, it should be administered by the law
enforcement division of the City. I don't want to see another division or
department head to administer the funds.
Mrs. Gordon: I have no objection to that avenue. I think we should leave
it to your discretion to decide how and who should administrateit, and I ask
you to apply for the grant,
Mayor Ferre: If you fall into 6 or 7 hundred thousand dollars like that,
you may want to set up some kind of juvenile,---
Mrs. Gordon: I'll leave that to you decide.
Mr. Andrews: The committee will covering that same area as they understand
the problems more as to what will occur.
Mvvor F;_rre: We seem to forget, the City of Miami is going to get out
of soc i..----let me tell you something, the federal government has
dec.re ,Jff tcially, tine President and Congress that there is something now
callLu now federalism. How long it lives I don't know, but it is alive now,
and the purpose of it is, to get all these consentrations of money by the
b :Ilo of dollars, away from Washington, where it gets spent in misales,
guns, ,-c:a going to the moon, and subsidizing Pakistan, and India and, every
other p;a:ce in the world, and getting it down to these communities where they
Will Je used for the needs of citizens, and all I au saying, and I think we
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all ,:oncut; if these funds are available and it the ga+vet►Meut wants to glee
us these thonies, attd if Chicago, bettoit, and Philadelphia and Pittsburg attd
Cleveland ate using them, why shouldn't the City Of Miatni7 Why shouldn't we
take these funds attd use them for the benefit of our citizens, until they
last, it they get taken away, they get taken away. That is CottgreSameti Pepper
and Pascell's problem.
Call the
The following motion was introduced by Cotiasiotter Gordon who
shoved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-446
A MOTION REQUESTING THE CITY MANAGER TO PPREPARE
AN APPLICATION FOR A FEDERAL GRANT OF ADDITIONAL
FUNDS TO ASSIST A JUVENILE PRE -ARREST INTERVENTION
PROGRAM
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following, vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner -Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
MAY 8 1975
25, WORLD AMATEUR BASEBALL FEDERATION
Mayor Ferre: Is anybody here on item ##15? Let me tell you what this
is all about. The World Amateur Baseball Federation last year, remember they
all came here, ---Ron lrasure as you recall went to Mexico or some place, and
for the first time in 17 years'.' the United States of America won the International`
Baseball Amateur playoff, and that got everybody all excited, and then the
American Federation. wanted to have the world championship in the United States
for the year 1975. We discussedthis several times here and we got into a hassle
because the problems that came up were that many members of the Cuban community
were concerned about what would happen if Cuba came here, there were relationships
established, and what have you, as a consequence, we got into a big hassle about
it, and it never got off the ground. In the meantime the world championship
which is similar to this boxing thing that we have, the Golden Gloves, except
this is the world championship, they went off to some other country and had
their national championship Now, I get a letter at the beginning of the year
from Mr.- William 'Dutch' Fehring who says he would_ like to see Miami sponsor
the Tournament of the Americas so I wrote him back and I said we have had a lot
of problems with this in the past, and he wrote back and said since it would not
be the world championship it would be a tournament by invitation, and he thought
we could get 17 teams from Canada, Nicaragua, Puerto Rico Columbia, Panama
Venezuela and Argentina and perhaps Japan, and others to come and have a tournament
in MIami as part of the F.M. B.A. championship. He said it would cost approximately
!Ale same as the INternational tournament as you recall, they wanted $100,000. •
raised in the community of which Mr. Andrews, --as I recall you said that between
playing fields and buses and this and that in kind, the city of Miami was going
to Give $37,000. plus free advertising. They want to know whether we are interested.
That is what this is all about. Are we interested in having the International
Federation World Amateur Baseball have the Tournament of the Americas in Miami?
Ts it still $100,000.
M) Ferre; I d, t know J.L. We have not got to the fine points of it.
No use in my writing thts man back and encouraging hint unless the Commission
is int rated.
MAY 8 1975
Mt. Pluttert Mr. Mayor 1 think we ate aiways ittetesteh1 in 1totdtub
anything of an international scope but is it within the iittits of out budget
as opposed to what exposure of good it will do for our city. Without facts attd
ftgutes I don't see how we can make such t detision.
Mayor Petra: t sent you the letter, you have all the totrespondenec
Mr, Plummer:- --it does tot bri.ttg atiy of that out
Mayor 'ette: •-t at telling you what it is, about the cost this
will depend on numerous factors, the number of teams, with all transportation
costs to be paid, or ten round-trip air tickets pet country, how long it will
last, local housing, meals, on and on and on,- --as you recall last year we
had a group of people mostly of the Cuban community who said they would raise
$100,000. provided under the city's supervision that they had the rights to sell
the tickets and promote the whole bit. I ant not going to take it upon myself to
write this man anything until this commission takes a position on, and my question
to you is, I don't want to waste any time on it unless you think it has merit.
My personal opinion is, that I would say yes, we are interested, No. 1 and
2, I would like to know the specifics of the cost, 3, that we create a committee
to look into it like we did with the Goledn Gloves.If you can get another
Mickey Demos and 10 guys like that, that are interested, ---it sounded ridiculous
to me, and yet we have the National Golden Gloves competition next year, and I
still can't believe it. Maybe we can find a Mickey Demos around here or 10
Mickey Demoses who want to take this thing on. You want to try it or not? So
we can move ahead.
Mr. Andrews: I would addthat if the commission should entertain this,'
and you do appoint a committee, that the majority of that commission should
be made up of Latins so that there is no particular problem that will be created.
Mayor Ferre Not necessarily, Paul, that article in the Miami News made
a valid point. You know why the Miami Toros have failed, because they tried
to appeal to the Latin community, to the Spanish speaking community, and the
Spanish speaking community in Miami is mostly Cuban, and in Cuba they don't
play soccer.
Mr. Plummer: They play baseball,
Mayor Ferrel That is a different situation, but I am saying I think
it ought to be a well balanced type of committee.
Mr. Plummer; I would say you write the gentleman back and ask the
cost factor.
Mayor Ferre: He is going to write back and say it depends on how many
teams come and we think it will cost around $100,000.00.
Mr. Andrews: I think what you need to do is appoint some people who, ---
and 7 don't think we in government should do this, --I think the commission should
appoint some people that are interested in this and have them come back with
a proposal that you can really evaluate in terms of benefit and cost and then
make a decision after that.
Mayor Ferre Here is where we are going to leave it, J.L. at the next
meeting, if you will put this on the agenda again, and Mr. Andrews and I will
ask each one of,You, --Rose, appoint three members to the committee so we will
have a 15 man committee, I'll select the chairman out of the 15, and let them
come back and study possibilities of having an international baseball,
I'll tell you why I am interested, next year is the Bi-Centennial., I think
it would be a great Bi-centennial event if can 15 people to look into it and
tell at the next meeting.
1' ., i t-atinute recess.
MAY 8 . 1c i' MR, 14, , D, TOLBERT REQUESTING FINANCIAL
ASSISTANCE FOR OPERATION OF DAY CARE
2S, PERSONAS. APPEARANCE; CENTER,
'.-DISCUSSION ONLY
Mr. WA), Tolbert Mayor atd Cotrnrissionets, ` speakitg itt behalf of
the TOVh Park Cooperative proposed bay Care Center which we ate oft our
3rd year of tryittg to get started, ''e need to get the application off
of the Title 4aA funds before we are all exhausted, within the month,
A document dust aeeompany the application statitrg that we have the funds
and plata ready to construct. W'e wouldtot be able to use the Motley before
about July or Auguat but if ve could get a resolution passed by this commission
agreeing to support one-half of capi.tal out -lay we could get the application
off within less than 10 days to Tallahassee
Mayor'F'errre: Mt. Andrews, do you know what he is referring to.
Mr. Andrews: Partially yes,
Mayor Ferre: He watts us to pass a resolution supporting his request
to Tallahassee,
Mr. Tolbert: Yes, we have to have a dollar figure,--- --$180,000.00
Mayor Ferre:----the $180,000.00 that you are applying
Mr. Plummer: ---No, no,' the city's half, ----
Mr. Tolbert: --the City's one-half, Metro's other half is ready and
has been ready since October.
Mr. Plummer:--atotal of $360,000.00 of matching funds is what he is
looking for.
Mayor Ferre: Have we already approved that.
Mr. Plummer: No, $180,000.00 from Metro and $180,000.00 from the City,
correct?
Mayor Ferre: Have we
gone on record to that effect?
Mr. Andrews: No, allyouhave gone on record is that there is $6,000.
at the present time allocated for this project.
Mr. Tolbert: We can't file an application.
Mr. Andrews: The commission never committed anything more
this time.
than that
Mr. Tolbert But we have been trying to get this for 3 years and
we have followed direction upon direction, and. we are now coming back
saying is there any way it can be done. If we don't get out application
within the month we have to wait another year, and we have been on this
thing for three years.
Mr. Plummer Let me ask one question, do you have a resolution from
Metropolitan Dade County,
Mr. Tolbert: We don't have a resolution, the money is already appropriated
and I know where I can get it, it is already appropriated, $180,000.00 for this
specific center, and I have been told as quickly as the City comes through
we can move, what is happening to us, increased costs, and one thing might
be tragic happening, our sponsorship, if the county sponsor, we
will have to buy that tract of land which will decrease the amount &
and service we give. We may have to cut the suit to fit the cloth.
Mrs. Cordon Can I add some information, you know, give you a little
more ba,Akk:-ound. At one point in time the county had a million and two
put _ , yr 1) j Car;., which thLJ put on the back burner and that is where
it: h...:, r"e,n_ined. You hive pried loose a little from the back burner, but
if you -t all, commis: oners and Mayor about two years we did budget $69,000,
for a Cyr( ,ram that is beinE discussed now. However the program didn't receive
ads.; F rit ;..1 funding from other sources at that time. The sum total was that that
mun► v..v3 put hack into the general revenue sharing funds and rebudgeted out and
only $6,000, was set asl,de for your program,
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Mt, Tolbert: That is planning motley 'fie are going to exercise otit
right to use that pretty noon but we teed the tapital out'iay, if tie don't
get the application in this month we have to tacit another year, whieh will
be four years waiting oh One iroject,
Mr. Andrews: Mt. Mayor and members of the tot:mission, this is a
petiplexit►g utter itt that Mrs. Qordtst► so well knows, she sent a personal
telegram to "Tallahassee, not to have the appropriations by two million
dollars in this area of services by the State, we depend on tiat for
$100,500. 00 grant to operate our day care centers, which if the appropriation
is cut by two million dollars could very we11'affeet that. Now you would be
supporting an application in which we would be cotntitting a large sum of money
in an area in which we are strugglitg to try to keep our heads above water and
I know this may hurt, at this time, but I recommend that you not take any
action going beyond the-$6,000. until you can evaluate what federal revenue
sharing funds you are going to have available and how they are going to be
spent in the up -corning budget, otherwise you may have trouble with our own
day care centers which we want to protect in the programs we have initiated
and we will continue to try to help you in some other way if we can'but I
would hate to recommend to the commission at this time that they endorse
that they are committing $180,000.00, at least that is what it will amount to.
Mr. Tolbert: In other worda we cannot proceed to plan to develop the
Day Care Center until 1976 or 1977.
Mr. Andrews: I don't know how to assist you. I wish I could make some
other recommendation to the commission unless
Mr. Plummer: Let's not give this man false hope. Let's tell him the truth.
We don't have the money, ---let's quit beating around the bush, nobody wants
to come right out and say it, --Mr. Tolbert, we don't have the money, take it
from there sir. It is just not there.
Mrs. Gordon: I' have a question, when do you get the new allocation for
revenue sharing funds?
Mr. Plummer The answer to that Rose, is won't be in 30 days, and that
is what he has to have.
Mrs. Gordon: What he is
saying the way I am reading it, is what he is
Asking is'a committment,'not necessarily cash in hand, is that right Mr. Tolbert.`
Mr. Tolbert: If we had the cash in hand we could not spend it.
Mrs. Gordon What you are saying, is if, we in fact, if we felt the
next allocation of revenue sharing funds that will be coming in, he is saying
a first priority on some of it, that that would suffice in his application
to Tallahassee.
Mr. Andrews: Well we have information as to what our allocation will be
and I can tell the commission it is going to be $200,000. less than it was
lase year, so with the increased costs of everything, let's assume that it
went up another 5, 6, or 7 percent over what it was last year, and a reduction
in the' funding source, is ---
Mrs. Cordon: I want to remind you that the last action we took in the
intervention program may free up some revenue sharing funds because it could
be supplemented by the LEAA funds and possibly we won't be hurting quite so
bad with regard to thatbecause we had a number of youth programs that could
easily be shifted over, you know what I mean? It ias a possibility, but I don't'
know to proceed with Mr. Tolbert's request unless you come up with something
exclusive.
Mr. Andrews: I am afraid that as Commissioner Plummer has stated so clearly
I urn afraid what: I am trying to do is be too polite to this gentleman and give
him same hope where there is very little, and to be bunt about, there is little
chance we will be abld ru assist him, If you are going to keep the programs that
you have initiated intact during this coming year,
Mayor Ferre, I am sorry Mr. Tolbert, I dont see any other way,
Mr, Tolbert, May I ask one question, out of the new revenue sharing, you
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donut see any light there either?
Mr. PluMMef no, air.
Mayor Terre: As you know we have had these task forces,
been functioning and our priorities have been established.
Mt.Tolbert:
force has been functioning since 1972, working
Mayor Verret 1 would like to sit downwithyou and see exactly what
you ate talking about
Mt. Plummer: Let me tell you what he is talking about because 1 was
here before. When he tame before this commission, 1 believe 3 years ago,
Mr. Tolbert: Yes
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, this commission in its wisdom found an allocation
for his project of some $67,000. and we told him that from general revenue
sharing, Mr. Tolbert if you can find and additional grant from the county to
use to match against the state, we did in fact allocate $67,000.
Mayor Ferre: For what?'
Mr. PLummer:--for the Day Care Center, which he is proposing to run.
Ferre: A physical plant?
Mr. Plummer: A physical plant, a great deal of it is capital improvements.
Some of it is operational, but most is capital improvement. Almost at the end of
the year, I think the then Manager Mel Reese, indicated to the commission that
he was not in fact going to be able to use the funds, that he could not infact
getmatchingfunds and because of that, Mr. Reese suggested that we reallocate
those funds for some other use which I think they went to Mrs. Gordon on the
Day Care, ---
Mrs. '' Gordon: No it didn't, no way, that was cut down too.
Mr. Plummer: It was redirected to another source, and we told Mr. Talbert
at that time that if he ever put his ball of wax together again to come back
to this commission, but we did not indicate and I don't think three years ago
Mr. Talbert we indicated that we could go for $180,000. We did indicate we
could go for $67,000. That Mr. Mayor is the history, --Mr. Talbert if I haven't
said it please correct me.
Mr. Talbert: You have covered it substantially.
Mr. .Andrews: Mr, Mayor and members of the Commission and Mr. Talbert,
there is only one area in which we can give some rather positive hope that
something could happen in the future and that is, when we go into our second
year of community development program -in which we will then be talking about
spending six and half million dollars, then this project could be included
in that submission to the federal government, since it is in the central area
of the city and it is day care and fits that program ideally but that would
have to be weighed along with all the other uses of those funds.
Mr. Plummer: Be truthful with Mr. Talbert and tell him that is a long
way down, a long -way process and Idon't want the man going away as he has
for four years with promises that are just, --he can't hang his hat on.
Mayor Terre: I told Mr. Tolbert we would take this up, and he said 3 minutes,
no more, we have now been on it 21 minutes.
Mr, Tolbert; One last question, we are going to put in modules, what about
the City putting up one module, one module will cost $51,000.--what about putting
up o,te, then we come back and get the other,---$51,000, will put up one of the
modules, could you do that?
mrs. Gordon, You are talking about the pre -fabricated type buildings?
Yr, Tolbert: We are going to up four buildings, in :nodules, Would
the City put ' up one to ' get us going? In 9 or 10 Pinonths we will come baok and
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get another. At least we will get started, We i ve beet Ott that piet:e of gtt
for 3 years, attd 3 yeare ago, everybody sitting in these stets except the
Mayor gave the a ct}tltTiittment of moral things, saying we will be with you.
Mr. plutntner Mr. Talbert we were for you sir. We kept that Money allocated
for almost a year. We Caere for you, there is to question. The way that Mr.
At'tdrewa of not having employees or hours or things of that nature, and teept
the city itt the black, is having the ability so far to say boo and it twist
there, our cottitingenty fund is less than $3300.00 for a city that operates
on 58 Million dollars, we have a three -thousand dollar contingency f urid.
Mayor Ferre: We just allocated $15,000from that this morning, that
is pretty interesting.
Mr. Plummer: That was publicity
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Mr. Tolbert: You wouldnst watt to commit one module
that is leas than a third.
Mr. Plummer: It if: not what I want to d
Mayor Ferre: Mt. Plummer, here is what we are going to do. Paul, I can't
do it for the next two weeks, maybe something in June, why don't you and I
go out and visit Mr. Talbert, since everybody else seems to be acquainted with
all this but me, let me catch up, and in the future we might talk about it again.
Thank you very much. Sorry we couldn't help you today.
not the whole bag
27, STATUS OF POLICE EXAMINATIONS ADMINISTERED BY UNIVERSITY OF
CRICAGo
Mayor Ferre: Let's take up Item lb, the police examiniation beingadministered
by the University of Chicago.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor I have a suggestion to make, if no one else
wants to make comments, I think Mr. Mayor that I made the statement before
I want to reiterate it now, and I would like to pass a motion. The
University of Chicago, let's admit the truth and lay it on the line, is
here to over -look, over -see and help us to accomplish the federal court order
which runs for a 5 year period as I recall. They are now entering into their
2nd year. Mr. Mayor I don't want to be a judge, nor do 1 think any of the Com-
missioners here,--- of whether the University of Chicago's professionalism is
good, bad or indifferent, we can have our opinions but being in the terms of
a judge is wrong.
Mayor Ferre: Who is going to make the judgement?
Mr. Plummer: I think we are going to have to make a judgement based on
a policy we have today, that if they are not doing their job properly, that
there is a 30 day cancellation clause.
MayorFerre: That is not my question. You say this commission is not to
make a judgement, and I am asking you who is going to make the judgement. Somebody
has to make the judgement.
Mr. Plummer: Eventually, Mr. Mayor the judge is going to make the judgement.
Mayor Ferre: The judge isn't hiring the University of Chicago.
Mr. Plummer: No, but we have the concurrence of the plaintifs in that
lawsuit, --they approved the University of Chicago,
ti".0yor Ferrer True, but they didn't hire them.
Mr, Plummer: They approved them, All I am trying to get at Mr. Mayor
i t , I think what we should do, so there will be a continuation, so there
w411 a complete train of thought:, and coming about of changing horses in, the
middle of the stream, so that the University of Chicago and the City of Miami'
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police department will not find themselves in the position they ate today,
that the captain's exam and register, the books to be studied are being held
up until th conclusion of the new contract. 1 think Mr, Mayor we should today
sign a contract with the University of Chicago until its completion of the
5 year period with the same 50 day clause so that these people tat look ahead
and oat have to be holding anything up until this commission meets and approves
their contract. it still has a policy polity, but t would like to see it to the
end of the tenure which is 5 years, and if I am in a position to do so, 1 'tt�uld
like to offer that t►otibn.
Mayor Perre; I will not recognize you for that motion until the presentations
are trade and the thing is discussed, -sat that time 1 will recognize you for that
motion.
Mr. Plummer: Fine,
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and
in this process,I would ask Mr
as to the current status of the
Service in their development of
thus far, where we stand on the
discuss the 2nd year contract.
Mayor Ferrer Mr. Paulk?
Mr. Robert Paulk: Thank you Mr. Andrews,
the Commission, a brief re -cap with regard to
Mayor Ferre: Let me tell you about being warm, I just talked to the
Reverend and he said that the keeper here, who takes care of the building,
evidently has left and has set it at the low airconditioning rate,
members of the commission, if I may assist you
. Mayor you call on Mr. Paulk to bring you up-to-date
efforts of the University of Chicago and the Civil
examinations and the product that has been produced
current examination and then you can after that
Mr. Mayor and members of
Mr. Robert Paulk: Once again, Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission
a brief recap with regard of engaging the University of Chicago's industrial
relations center, following the initiation of the concent decree issued by
Judge RuckerinU.S. District Court here. The City contacted several agencies
in December 1973 with the view toward selecting one. The commission finally
did after some hearings select the University of Chicago Industrial Relation
Center.
The suit, I might add was broung in 1971, prior to the passage of the
amendment which brought governmental_ agencies under Title VII of the Civil
Rights Act. Although the suit was brought prior to the incorporation of
Miami, falling under that act, the University of Chicago is certainly proceeding
under the guidelines outlined, under the terms of Title VII with regard to test
validity. In -tha t process they must do things that must validate all of the
instruments that they would use with regard to selecting for entrance and promotion
and they must go through many things by way of study to come up with the type
of instruments that they will use in this behalf. This means that on the surface
although they have been with us somewhat over a year at the present time, -in
serving us, their contract was not adopted until November of 1974, it became
elective July 1, retroactive, it runs out June 30, 1975. There are many things
that under the surface had been accomplished, such as task analysis that is
required, a study of all the jobs in the police department,' police officer,
Sergeant, Lieutenant and Captain, these are under way. Additional data is
being gathered by the University of Chicago, we are under some constraints
that we cannot in effect schedule examinations as Commissioner Plummer brought
out because of the constraint insofar as the termination of the contract on June 30.
In the process initiated it was indicated it was indicated it would be some year
and half before they would be able to produce an entrance examination or to ad-
minister an entrance examination for a police officer for the City of Miami. The
first police officer examination was administered in April of this year,
Mayor Ferre; How many months was that? How many months did it take?
Mr. Baulk; Since we started in December in talking, in initial contact,
and aint.i.: some of the preliminary discussions at the commission level oecured
in February, of 1974, I would say 14 months, so they were ahead of schedule in
the p•,.duction of that entrance examination.
Also there were two examination administered, one for Sergeant and one
for Lior.tenant, which in reality were interim examinations as we had requested
due to the indication that the University of Chicago's research and development
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teak analysis etc. was going to put it in the neighborhood of a year attd a
tall before they Could come up with a valid instr°utment insofar as teati.ttg
for promotions as well, therefore there had to be of neeeasity itstertth pro
eedures instituted its the taints;act.
Mayor Petra! Have they beets,
Mr. Paulk: Yes, they were, the examination for Sergeant that was administered
December 1914, the examiniation for Lieutenant that was administered the same
month in 1974 we both interim examinations.
Mayor 1erte: How about Captain?
Mr. Paulk: The captain examination under the present contract provides
for the gathering of materials to be able to develop the exatninatiotts but
there is no commitment under the present contract for that examination to be
administered
Do they have that ready?
Mr. Paulk: I believe they have the necessary data gathered and they
can put the instrument together. They, have identified the content material
in which the people can prepare themselves from.
Mayor Ferre:_ And they haven't done it for what reasons,
are waiting for the contract?
because they
Mr. Paulk: Yes,sir, the contract doesn't call for at the present time,
therefore we cannot, we have that constraint on us that we can't project an
examination to be rendered, or to be administered until such time as we full,
well know that they are going to be on site to do just that.
Mayor Ferre: So what you are telling me; is, in effect they have had the
material `to prepare the examination, they haven't prepared the examination
Mr. Paulk: No, sir I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is that
in our original discussion with the University of Chicago Industrial Relation
Center they projected that it would be a year and half before they could do
any kind of examination that would be absolutely valid, and that there were
two examinations that were structured as an interim procedure and. that in that
time frame there was no urgency to administer a captain's examination because
there had been administered in 1973, was destined to die in 1975.
Mayor Ferre: What I am worried about , and J.L. you just mentioned it,
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor the reason I brought up the 5 years was that the
men of the department who were waiting to take the captain's examination are
really being delayed to the extent of not being able to prepare themselves as
well had they been given the material last month or this month, now the University
of Chicago , rightfully or wrongfully is holding that material up until their
new contract is signed.
Mayor Ferre: The question that comes out of that is if that is the case,
I am not saying it is, then Mr. Andrews in my, opinion, the Administration, they
knew about it or the Civil Service Board, they knew about it, should have brought
it to this commission, to accelerate this process so we can get on with it.
Mr. Paulk: That is precisely what we are doing today, Mr, Mayor. We were
hopeful "that we could have done this a month ago, but were unable to put it together
we had to discuss and put together a contract. I wrote a letter back in January,
to the University of Chicago indicating we needed to put this together, and we have
been in the process,
Rey. Gibson, Mr, Mayor let me ask a question. I remember when we were
employing this institution, where we had a Citizens Advisory committee, any
of those people here today. We had some people if I remember correctly, 1 appointed
one man to work together' with and help to monitor, I am termendously concerned that
I hear from them, It is 411 right for the Civil Service to tell me, and all right
for the Chicago people to tell tme, I am interested in what those citizens did see,
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at,,what ate they telling me. 1 dohs t want to leave it only to those twos
t want to heat it from that other, disinterested, trustfully to, not biased.
Mtplus err You are not concerted with the tri-eultural are you
Rev, Gibson: No, try brother, Mr, Andrews knows what t am talking about,
l hit what t am talking about.
Mr. Paulk: 1 think 1 know Mr. Andrews, there was two connnittees established
et the inception, when the University of Chicago indiated they were going to be
selected, and prior to the adoption of the contract in November, they had implemented
procedures establishing some committees. There was a professional advisory committee
and there was another committee which I can't recall precisely, the tame of it now,
that the commission obviously in some instances appointed people to be monitoring
and in discussion with the University of Chicago's presentation relative to
communication between people the citizen people of the police department and
people from the civil service etc. These meetings were held in City Hall on
evenings in the month of July, and I think April, as best as I recll, there were
several, and I think that was it.
Rev. Gibson I'd live to hear from those people.
Mayor Ferre Where is that committee?
Mr. Paulk:They weren't our committee.They were committes that were
formulated at the University of Chicago's request.
Mayor Ferre These committees that we appointed?
Mr. Andrews: Yes, but they were forumlated by the University of
Chicago to assist them in gaining in -put as far as their work is concerned,
and advise them, and advise them, advice committees to them so they didn't
go about doing their work arbitrarily. They werenot the kind of committee
that would evaluate the work they were performing.
Mayor Ferre: I just don't remember that committee. Who is on it?
Mr. Andrews: I don't have the names of the people who are on it.
Mr. Faulk: I think they can identify them. They may not have that material
at this time, the identity of the people who serve. They were people who represented
various police organizations, members of the Commission, City Manager, I was
in on all those meetings, in representing the board, it was really a means of
feeding communications of things that they were discussing, that were necessary,
to be accomplished.
Mayor Ferre What are you saying, that it wasn't a structured formal
committee, ----
Mr. Andrews:It'was informal for the purposes of giving them advice and
guidance because they were new in the community and rather than just set
up procedures and proposals the process was used where they appointed a committee
which the commission was aware of, the system, and advise them.
Rev. Gibson: I heard a discussion this morning by the people out at
Bay Heights. I want you to remember that, it may not have any relationship
but the method is the same. Those people told how ---the people in the Little
River area, when they had the hearings whether or not the people, single
family, ----remember that lady said for all intents and purposes, they didn't
really matter. You remember that. I want that citizens committe to be standing`
before me before I vote to give another contract and get some reaction from
those folks, I think that is important, if you don't need these people, get
rid of them. I live that way. That is the way I run a church, and I'll tell
you uomtcoing, I have some thoughts I am not expressing, I'd like to see those
citbbtrns come here and tell us, they were cooperative, we think they know what
they are doing, somebody ought to be able to tell us that. I don't plan to have
the administration locked in with the University of Chicago. You know why, --I
am black, I have been trying like hell all these years to get some black folks
on the police department and 1 have not been successful, The Mayor made we
aware of it, Remember what you said, you said when Garmire came: here 5 years
ago we had 83 Black policemen, Garmire left and we got SO,e -isn't that what
you said?
Mayor Ferret That wga record
Rev. lbaon All right, you didn't say it, you euoted the record.
ThuWere, t at trettietdoualy concerned, I'd like to sae those folk.
Mr. !'sulk: Could 1 give you some statistics with regard to the examination
that was adminiatered it April? 1 at not going to give you names, 1 am only
going to give you statistics. There were 279 people that participated it at
examination after an exhaustive affirmative recruitment effort. The affirmative
recruitment effort embodied a lot thinking on the part of many different people.
The Advisory; Committee of which the advisory committee of the tri-culture was
concerned, the Civil serviceboard, the City Manager's office, myself, Mt. Parades
from the City Manager's office, Dr. Morrell, Mr. divas from the Tri-cultural
Program prevailing upon the Board that as an affirmative action approach to
try and bring into balance, that the Board should restrict as the rules do
read, applicants to residents of the City of Miami. This was done in December
1974 and in that instance that affirmatively recruiting toward the area of
more Latins and Blacks, and elimination of the others which predominately
reside in Dade County, rather than in the City of Miami. The examiniation that
was administered and of the 279 that participated in the examination, there
are 110 that will be on that register. The make-up of that register will be
44 Latina which represents 40% of the 110, there will be 32 Blacks which
represent 29.1 % of that register, there will be 34 Anglo which represents
30.9% of that register and I think on the surface of that, that that would
indicate to you there are two steps. No. 1 the examination' which we must assume
is a desirable kind of examination that they are expected to deliver to us
after an exhaustive study and putting together the elements that are necessary
to be contained in an examination to test for police officer, No. 2 is the
affirmative recruitment, --which comes first I am not sure, but they both tie
hand and glove together,
Mayor Ferre:---and the real test Bobby is going to be the number of those
young men and women who are going to end up wearing a blue uniform and an badge,
and when I see the number in the ranks of the police department, then I will
become a believer.
Mr. Paulk:
agree with you Mr. Mayor, no question about it.
REv. Gibson: I need to mention another thing. J.L. Plummer made me
aware, ---I wasn't aware,, about two or three meetings ago, --he was preaching
like mischief, dawn at City Hall ---regular City Hall --but you remember J.L.
said, what are you going to tell the court. J.L. isn't always right, but he
was coming on strong right then, --when you go back to the court, the court
says the proof of the pudding is the eating, and Mr. Mayor, let me say, we
are talking about awarding that contract, not only should we have the advisory
committee here, we ought to have those plaintifs here, people who filed the
suit. When you go back to the court, ---I'm no lawyer, but you ask Mr. Lloyd,
man, --the judge is most anxious to know, if the agrived parties are in agreement,
isn't that right Mr. Lloyd? I am concerned that the people who were involved
who sued the city, invited here, I am concened that that committee comes in
and says yes, at least we think we have some rapport. Anything else you tell
me, you are not going to convince me because I happen to know that the way
you run a church and deal with people is to make sure that those who put
the money there, and those who are aggrieved at least get a chance to
assauage their wounds.
Mr, Plummer: Mr! Mayor may I stop everything for a minute, --would you
Please instruct the city attorney to leave, his wife was involved in an
automobile accident, he won't listen to me, you tell him Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre; l told him this morning when I heard about it.
Mr, Faulk: Let me assure the commission that in no way did the Civil
Service Board nor I, have anything to do with the selection of the University
of Chicago, not at this time do I want to stand in the position of recommending
them, although I think they are capable, and I think they have done a good job,_
but I don't what to indicate I am encouraging you to either get rid of them
or continue them, but we have certain conetrainst on us, that if they are not,
and this shoed weigh heavily, that there is a great deal of work that whoever
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Might reptaee them, world have to undertake.
MAyor Ferret We are tat even getting to the .point of arguing about the
University of Chtoago yet. We are going to gat into that in a little Vhile,but
I Witt to tell you ,something, tie are talking about the general eubjeet of polite
recruitment and uptoard mobility through the ranks. These are two 'different
aub, acts.
Mr. Paulk: Yee, they are.
Mayon Terre; Let me tell you where the zinger is that Mt. Plummer might
watt to expatttd on. Ve are past the stage now of the exam, not we get into the
next step, r we get into the stages of examinations, records, the oral thing,
the checks on background, medical examinations, the oral discussions, attd we
have had people here,--Capt. Reese is here, he has seen these guys come here
and say l was turned down. I remember one guy said he was tutted down because
he said he wouldn't shoot somebody on a misdemeanor, that was his opinion. I
am sure he was wrong, and beyond that we to the academy, so we have
a long way to go between now and touchdown.
Mr. Paulk: With regard to the oran interview process, we do anticipate
that through refinement of testing procedures, that we may be able to eliminate
that process . That is what is intended, that is a procedure that is recommended
by the University of Chicago.
Mr. Plummer: I don't even want to hear that, Bobby.
Mr. Paulk: I am just telling you.
MR. Plummer: Tell me what date it is going to be abolished, that is what
I want to hear.
Mr. Paulk: I understand.
Mr. Plummer: No, you don't understand.
Mayor Ferre: What is going to be abolished?
Mr. Plummer: This oral review board.
Unidentified person: It really doesn't relate to the issue before the
commission today.
Mr. Plummer I agree.
Unidentified person: What you are doing right now, is, you want to achieve
results, --the Mayor and Commissioner Gibson said that. This organization can't
move any further toward achieving any results until they get a contract.The police
cannot move another step to incorporate more minorities into its ranks until they
get some examinations to give. You have an existing register of 110 people, you
will lose approximately 40% if all other statistics hold up. It means this list
will last no longer than 3 months. It means you have to get ready to give another
entrance exam right now, today, yet you are discussing things that don't even
relate to the issue before you, I, for one, am amazed at that.
Mayor Ferre: Why are you amazed? You have been here enough times to know
that this commission is seriously concerned about the whole process. I am not
here to discuss the University of Chicago. I'' am here to discuss the end product,
which is what that judge wants to know, how many Blacks are serving on that police
department, how many Latins.
Unidentified person; How can you address that issue Mr. Mayor if you dont
start the whole process by giving somebody a contract to have entrance exams.
Mayor Ferre:Nobody is arguing that at this point.
Unidentified person; That is really the issue here today.
Mayor Ferre; No it isn't and that is exactly what I am trying to tel]. You,
is that the lssue'that is obviously being discussed here goes much beyond that,
and what Mr. Plummer is trying to point out is, what happens when the oral examination
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e to fruit.
Its Plummer Mt. Mayor t hate to disagree with you attd agree with Mr.
Harrison, but he happens tO be right. At it appears on our agenda►, he is Lott tt
is....t'hat is the status of the polite examination,.,�.
Mayor Terre: That is true 3.L. but we are expanding the discussion beyond
that because Tether Gibson has done it and i have done it, and you have done it
too, and we have a right to do that.
a also correct, the
Mr,Plu er: I understand but what he is saying i
main thrust of our discussion ie the contracts
Mayor Ferre: I don't disagree at all, we ate going to get to that in
just a little while, right now we are talking about the general approach to
the tri-cultural grant which has nothing to do with all of this. I understand
that we have been successful in our last recruiting effort and the Concern
as to what the impactis going to be when the end results are finished, and
we are just expressing our opinion to that effect.
Mr. Andrews: I want to identify for theCity Commission some rolesin
this matter. Lt. Harrison is here representing the Fraternal Order of Police,
and Capt Reese is here representing the Chief's office as far as the Police
Department. Of course, Bob Faulk is here representing the Board itself. Just
so we understand who is representing whom.
Mr. Faulk : I will continue with regard to the -question that both you
and Mr. Plummer raised with regard to personal interview. It is the intent
that through the techniques that may be implemented in fianal stage, that
the oral interview concept will be able to be eliminated, that testing will
be adequate to be able to provide one who will be able to perform as a police
officer without that confrontation. On the other hand, until such time as that
has been perfected, then we must rely upon someone's authority to select someone
and that doesn't just happen in the police department, that happens any place.
Even with your small industry, soineone selects someone when they are employing
them. I don't think you want the city to do any less when they are interviewing
than to do just that, and that means that there is a personal appearance with
someone who is responsible to make'a determination as to who is to be employed,
when they are provided to make a determination on. What I am saying to you is
that we trust and hope that through the techniques that are being generated
and recommended in testing by the University of Chicago's Industrial relation
Center we can take that personality out of through the elimination of the
personal interview because we will have someone' who we can rely upon as
a candidate who can succeed as a police officer.
Mayor Ferre: Bobby that is all fine and I,have no objections but I
want to tell you, there is a difference between Maule and the City of Miami.
No. 1 this is a public body, No 2 the Police,' Department is an essential ingredient
of public trust that deals with the public, on the line, so it is really a
primary function of government, and you can't compare it to the private sector,
because private sector is just not the same,not in the same category, ---
Mr. Paulk: Mr. Mayor I didn't mean to put it on the same plane as one
in private industry but regardless of whether it is private industry or public
enterprise of government, someone is responsible to select someone to go to work
whether it is this commission to select a city manager or whether it is me to
select -someone who is going to work in the office. You must hope they will do,
the right thing in selecting, we test your wisdom in'selecting the City Manager
and that is your charge, and the City Manager must rely upon his subordinante,
the department heads to rely upon the people who are in the selection process,
after they have taken an examination.
Mayor Ferre Why don't we get on with this discussion of the University
of Chicago, Anybody want to ask any questions?
Mr. Faulk; Dr, Baer is here, Dr. Saunders and Mr, Fox are here from
the Industrial Relations Center,and I am sure they can enlighten you far
better than I, with regard to their undertaking at this point, It has been
n very ambitions undertaking following ,the guidelines of EDOC under title 7,
and there is a lot of work that has been done, I have only scratched the surface
of what they have ateomplished, thou things that we can see, the teats that
have beet generated and adntifiatered.
Mayor xerre You are igatiafied that they have done a good job, le that
what you are teilitg me?
Mr* yaulk: Yes, sir.
Mayor Petrel 'Capt. keeaie why don't you come up here and tell us your
opinion
Capt. Reese; Mr. Mayor and members of the cornmissian we are quite concerned
toe with the rest of the selection process and we have recently taken a long and
hard look at all the other steps in the selection process and have attempted within
our own capabilities to streamline them. We have built in steps of review in every
part of it so as to snake sure that someone is not being eliminated without a
review. We have revised our physical agility test, the swimming test, the oral
interview process Was a recognized weak link in whole selection process. We have
sent 6 people to school in interviewing, by the American Psychological Association
and they are back, we have reviewed the oral interview process and now the
board has taken on a completely different role that I'estimate very few if any
people would be recommended to be eliminated by oral interview process. t'Ze have
revised the polygraph procedures, that was recently approved by the Civil Service
Board at their last meeting, and also I might add, that in the current proposed
contract there is a provision in there that the University Take a look at all
the other steps in our selection process with a view toward either validating
them as job relatedness or recommending there discontinued use. So far the department
is satisfied with the University` of Chicago.
Mr. Plummer That is well, and good, I want to ask you a question, --I want
it on record, how many' Blacks on the department now?
Capt.. Reese: Off the top of my head I don't know.
Mr. Plummer: Does anybody know.
Mr. Andrews: About 85,'or 87.
am
MR. Plummer: Jim, I am going to ask you the same question year if
a commissioner, because your answer is going to mean a lot.
that.
Capt. Reese: Well it is going to be more than that,
can almost guarantee
Mr. Plummer: Well 86 is more than that, but I won't be satisfied.
Capt. Reese; The register here we are currently working with -represents
approximately 70% minority, and if we continue with an affirmative action
recruitment program, there is no way it can improve itself.
Mr. Plummer The ability to measure is in the result.
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission, may I offer this
and I mean this sincerely, this is not philosophical.
Mayor Ferre Nobody questions anybody's sincerety.
Mr, Andrews:' From the standpoint that I am not tryin give you information
that colored, that doesn't represent very difficult area, In starting up this
program, starting from the time when we were entering into the phase of selecting
a firm to assist us in creating the examinations to this point, it would appear
that the City has made very little progress, but getting our house in order, in
straightening all this out has taken an awful lot of time, and I think I am particularly
encouraged by this last examination process that we went through in which we produced
a register, and I am not sure how the people will be aligned on that register but
we have 70% minority representation on that register. That has to indicate to the
commissi.en that we must be headed in the right direction,
Mayor Ferre; Fine, we are all concerned about the old story about the
wolf. We keep crying wolf,and one day, it is going to be done,
and w4 are it the right direction, it a litre ittteran►a,.-ealbang, the
is going to be there,
Mr. Plummer: I want to get into a point Paul, because t think you just
argued ngalt►st yourself. You tell tine about all these beautiful results tut
of this teat go -round. (Paul, what did I hear the man stand up here and tell
Ma about the recruiting for the fire department, how many minorities, Paul?
Mayor Perre: How many what?
Mr. Plummer: How many minorities, Blacks, Cubans did they recruit in the
fire program? Wasn't it around 1200, how many Black on the fire department,
we doubled it, statistically, it looks good, 50%, we jumped from 2 to 4, i
still tell you, the ability to measure, is in the results and I don't see
them.
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Vice Mayor you are taking that out of context now,
Mr, Plummer: Tell me where I am wrong.
Mr. Andrews: You are comparing the examination process that would
be parallel to the first examination given for the police, when we didn't
have restriction that exists now, where all the firemen are going to be
selected from within the city of Miami, the register, if you, the commission
or the CivilService Board will permit that register to exist for one year,
if the wisdom exists that it should only exist for one eyar, and we get this
examination over again, I can almost guarantee that you are going to have
a majority of minorities represented on that register.
Mr. Plummer: I heard that before Paul, I am just saying don't tell me
that because you recruited them, you got them, because ther are not there.
That is the results and its not there.
Mr. Andrews: And I am saying that if this register which exists
and I don't necessarily advocate that this should occur, because I don't
want hurt minorities inadvertently, because of the position onthe register,
but it may be wise to eliminate that register after one year and start over
again with a new "register limited to the applicants in the City of Miami.
Mr. Plummer: Paul, in December of 1974 the Commission told you
and told Bob Paulk, come back and tell us what you need, we are willing
to go with you. You came back, Mr. Paulk said he didn't need any more
money, Mr. Andrews said no, you didn't need anything. Now you are tell the
if you could this, and if you could do that, if you hadn't stopped you would
have caught the rabbit.
Mr. Paulk: Let me respond to that, Mr. Mayor. We learned a great deal
.with regard to the affirmative recruitment program for firefighter.
Mr. Plummer: Sure you did.
Mr. Paulk: That was inclusive of all Dade county There wern't a
thousand, there were better than a thousand that made application. There
695 that participated in that examination, 495 did place on that register,
there was some representation of minorities there. We increased, I'd way we
had about 33 or 34 percent in the first class, that were represented by minorities
but I'll tell you this now, that had it been restricted to the City of Miami
which there was serious apprehension about, insofar as restricting it to the
City of Miami at the time we undertook that affirmative recruitment on the part
of many different people, there was that apprehension, had it been restricted
to the City of Miami, the result would have been completely different, We would
have had a far greater representation of minorities on that register that were
reachable. That is not the case at this time, therefore we took advantage of
what we learned in that process and we restricted, because we learned something,
we restricted to the City of Miami, and we are reversing that situation so far
OH the police officer register is concerned and it will be reversed on a lot of
other registers es they occur, because that iS the most effective affirmative'
recruitment mechanism that we have that we can utilize,
Mr, Ken Harrison; Mr. Mayor, if l aright, Ken Harrison
one, group that has tonitoted the whole process.Cotttmissionet Gibson as asking
about the advisory cetalittee'to the University of Chicago acid you had the
tri cultural program that also had an advisory cotittee that worked it tones
junction with that and there's representatives from that cotnitteee that cnay
rish to addreaa it and tell you some of their thoughts about the prodese.
Rev, Gibson: That is what I at talking about. 1 think that when the
tititen tells us .-.-
Mayor Ferte: Who ate the representatives of that committee, ---three?
come on up.
Mr, Kelsey Dorsett: Mr. Mayor and City Commissioners, I am ltelsy
Dorsett, I am Chairtttan of the Advisory Committee of the tri-cultural program.
Before the Advisory Board was set up, we were not a part of the group that
worked with the University of Chicago in advising for developing a test.
We came into force in about October to work along with the tri-cultural
program, advise them, give them in -put, from the community, various police
organizations and so on. In working with the grant and seein the progress
made and the test devised so far, it is my personal opinion that it is odd
that now, is the time this contract should be renewed. Why? Because we have
not seen or have not had time to evaluate any results of the tests that were
given so far. I don't know if you have any of the percentages so far from
the test given on April 9 and 10. 0f 279 persons taking the test, 110 passed,
39% rate. Thirty-four Anglos taking it that passed, 31% he will pass
out the figures to you now. As we see it now, I see this renewal thing as
a flub to continue on, I don't know what happened , how the contract was
developed, how the grant was developed, but now is the time where we would
recommend that the University of Chicago, ---the contract, be renewed. However
with certain stipulations. If it is on a five year basis, I was told a few
minutes ago that, ----I am not sure about this situation, but the City wouldn't
get into a contract more than a year. I am not sure about your proposal for
5 years, and just close out the whole thing.
Mr. Plummer: Would be for the remaining portion of the court edict, with
a 30 day cancellation .
Mr. Dorsett: Is that already in the contract?
Mr. Plummer: Sure.
Mr. Dorsett: As we see it now, we would recommend that the University
be retained to further develop the test, for validation and so on, in the
future, with that stipulation of 30 days if things don't turn out. As far
as the progress of the grant goes, where we are concerned, we will -be submitting
to you within the next week and half to two weeks our report and our evaluation
on the aspects of the grant, the budget, personnel staffing and so on. We will
have these evaluation to you, for your own reading. Are there any other questions.
Mr. Plummer: You are talking about just the exaluation of the exam given
Mr. Dorsett: Not just the evaluation of the exam of the tri-cultural
program, the progress we think the grant that has been made under the terms
of the grant,
Mayor Ferre: I don't understand this. Mr. Paulk? I don't understand these
figures'. Let me tell you why I don't understand, it. Take for example, up at the
top, Anglos competed, 60, okay,---34 passed and 26 failed, and 20 didn't even
appear. ----you have 34 and 26 and 20, you've got 76,----if 60 competed how can
you have 76?
Mr, Paulk: Let me clarify this for you, As you look on the passed column,
there a. t: lin;ls, but as you look 'passed' reading down, you will there are
34 ,ngTh which represents 30,97, there are 44 Latins which represent 40%,
Major Ferre: Let's stay with the Anglos,-»-34 passed and 26 failed, that
makes ' ?, _ su there are 20 that signed up but just didn't show up, so there
w:re 80 that signed up, okay, now I get you.
mI. Plummer; While he is doing that, what is the cost of the contract
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for the additiotal year of the University of Chicago?
Mr. Andrews. What tigae that lit. Parades?
Mr. Parades: One hundred thirty, thte forty eight,'-$130,348.
Mr Plummer: What was the firtst year.
Mr. Parades: $144,000.06
of
80
Mr. Planter:
the 5 years?
This is $133, what is the projected Lost for the total
Mr. Parades: Also in your exhibits under
the total of those two would be $239,000.
the 3rd year, it is a $108,000.
for the two continuing years.
Mr. Plummer: As I understand it, we have spent $144,000.----$133,000,
and $108,000.---that is for the three years, what you are, looking at is
$385,000. forthe three years, and still have two years to go? That is
what I wanted to get at.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Davis?
Mr. Otis Davis: My name is Otis Davis, I am president of MCPBA and
I am also part of the Tri-Cultural Committee. I am one of the persons who
filed a complaint against the city some years ago. •
1 am not opposed to Chicago having the contract however'I am a little
disappointed at some of the figures I see before me. At the time Chicago got
the contract, it was understood that they would be able to bring the kind
of test which would enhance minorities, particularly Blacks moving up into
the system, and I am looking at a figure here, 113, and out of that 113 we
have 32 Black people that passed it. Either we must be the dumbest people in
the world or something is wrong with out testing.. If we get 32 people there
that came out of the test, it is not likely we are going to get more than 5
on board to become policemen. I say if you are going to give the contract,
there should be some stress put on, as has been put on by the court, that
these tests be structured so it would enhance Blacks in passing the particular
examination.
I recognize the fact that Chicago has, they have been given interim
exams as far as sergeant and lieutenant entry exams here, but I don't think
that is what we intended to do Somewhere along the line, we are going to have
to stop giving entry exam and give a validated kind of exam which is going to
help Blacks through this particular system. The way,I look at it now, it is
not much better than what it was before.
Mayor Ferre: If youjudge it by the results you mean?
Mr. DavisBy the results, it is not much different between here
and what we had before, and that is all I can judge by, the result here.
If there is a test to be given that is going to do better,then, certainly
we are for it. I would like to say at this time I discussed this issue with
the attorney and he is unhappy as we are about the whold situation.
Mayor Ferre: I see your problem, I understand your problem but what I
don't understand the solution to it. How do we solve that problem?
You see, Otis, you know how I feel about this, but look at what
happened here. We get these people in and they redesign this test, supposedly
eo that they take away some of the old problems and hang-ups we have had, but what
you are telling me` is, because there was a low percentage, that the exam is no
good, or the process is no better than what it was before.
Mr. Davis; Mr. Mayor."I am saying that, but I am also saying in defense
of Chicago, everybody keeps crying about we need examination now, we need
it torrr ,, we need ft the next day, I think if Chicago could give the kind
of te:ic they want to give, chances are they would be able to give the kind of
test it would enhance minorities,
Mr;or Ferre: The point I am trying to make is that you can't put the blame
on the University of Chicago,
Mr. Devi.g: I am not, I am saying Chicago's hands have been restricted
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itt giving these parti+ular teats because of certain things they have had
to encounter,
Mr. Plumper Who put those restriction on?
Mr. Davis; The City, I think if Chicago :::.._, ti ould forward and said,
they can tell they have had restrictions.
Mr. Plummer: r would like the University of Chicago to stand up and
say who it this city put any restriction on them. I'd like to hear it.
Mr. Davis: Mr, Plummet when you asked Chicago to give an examination
within four months or six months, and they tell you that they cannot give
that kind of test, which would enhance minorities ,moving it it, I think this
is a restriction. They said it takes at 12 or 18 months to give the kind of
test they want to give, but yet we have been asking to give tests within 6 months,
8 months, and we need a captain exam, or we need so and so, and they will try to
comply with it, andthey will fail. They have not been able to do it, and they
are not ever going to be able to do it if this is going to continue. I'd like
to turn it over to Chicago for some of them to tell us why this hasn't been done.
Mayor Ferre: Let's get somebody from the University of Chicago up here
but before you sit down, are you telling us that you recommend that we continue
with the University of Chicago.
Mr. Davis: If some stipulations are made as to them doing the kind of
test that we asked for in the very beginning. They have not done this.
Mayor Ferre: Who is going to speak for the University of Chicago?
Mr. Andrews: Dr. Saunders, of the University of Chicago,
Dr. Saunders: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission, I think as a
representative here of the University of Chicago I would simply say yes we
are operating under one very important restriction, and that is simply to
do the beat kind of job that we think we know how to do.
Mr. Andrews: To answer the question specifically so there is no misunderstanding,
is there any restriction that you#know of now, what I think Mr. Davis is referring
to was the restriction that you placed under to produce the interim exam, but with
that out of the way, are there any restrictions that you know of that you can tell
this City commission that could be removed that would make your job easier.
Dr. Saunders: We did operate under restrictions when we were working
with the interim promotional exams because we did not have in hand validation
results with respect to materials that it might have been very desirable to use,
and we are still planning to develop those validation results within the coming
year with respect to entrance exams, and I think that is what we have been
taling about mostly. We are still operating a little in the dark but nowhere
near so much in the dark as with respect to some of the promotional aspects.
Mr. Andrews: As an outsider completely independent of this community
in terms of what we are trying to achieve, and that is one of the great
values of employing someone like yourself, will you explain then to the
commission in your own terms the kind of problem you might have faced if
you had not designed with those restrictions an interim exam, and we would
have had to wait for the time when you would have designed a proper examination
with proper validation and please, in your opinion give us your version of the
kind of problem we would have had if would have followed that process, and had
no interim exams, what that would have meant to recruitment in terms` of employing
police personnel to give the City the protection it needs.
:� aunders Well a short answer to that question, then I'll try to
;:rnI it, I think the result of moving ahead on a very crash sort of basin,
wo»1d )ave been a mu61 more severe degree of the kind of so adverse impact
whic . we are discus; ina her,. now, there are many different kinds of measures
th t coulu be put into a teat battery that would have something to do with
,ob of becoming a successful police officer. Some of these kinds of measures
are r , 14tiveiy notorious shall we say as contributing to adverse impact to the
extent that we would depend upon intellective and achievement type measures and
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thiega which are strongly culturally loaded. We could halve had a truth tore
serious problem than the ohe I think we are talking about now. 0n the other
paid there are qualities of tetmpetment, interest, attitude,wi lingtess to
respond to situations, a variety of qualities that We tan test fot, which
will probably not result in this kind'of impact, but these kinds of measures
which do not exist on the shelf for us to pick up and use them, and so we have
had to select and develop these to the point Where we are using them now.
Mayor Ferre: Let's hear from Mr Lauredo who is the only one of the three
4.6 ..
Mr. Louis Lauredo:Very briefly, my name is Louis tautedo, I don't want
to be redundant, I support the University of Chicago, but I do take this
opportunity to ask for an opportunity to really come back both myself and
the other members, for the commission to talk about some very serious things
that are going to be in total content of the 5 year program. I think the
University of Chicago contract is rather insignificant in my opinion,. -
Mayor Ferre: Is what?
Mr. Lauredo ---insignificant,--that the full content, ---
Start from the beginning, the'University of Chicago has done
Mr. Lauredo:---the extension of the contract, --what I said was, and I do
not wish to demean the University of Chicago, the limited issue as it appears
on the agenda, to me is rather insignificant whether or not we extend the con --
tract. We are going to be heading, ----as J.L. the Mayor and Gibson pointed out,
the next two or three months are going to be super critical on whether or not
we get any results, and I for one would like to have an opportunity on behalf
of the board to come back to you to talk about those things, what is going to
happen from now on, whether Chicago gets the contract,(l happen to think they
should get it) otherwise we will be losing a lot of time, and experience, and
they undoubtedly are the ones in the nation who have the most experience, but
I leave you with the thought ---
Mayor Ferre: Let's bring this to a head, --I have had my own little
differences with the University of Chicago, and I' have expressed myself
to Mr. Fox and I have gotten an answer. I am not going to press any of that
at this point. I think the important thing is that the Committee that Father
Gibson requested opinions, have all recommended continuation,--Lt. Harrison
also recommended it, Capt. Reese, and Bob Faulk and the administration,it
looks like everybody is for it, so let's get to it, but before we do, let
me ask one last question, Mr. Andrews, how much have we paid the University
of Chicago so far. up-to-date?
Mr. Andrews: I don't think they have received all of their payments
for t'recontracts. The contract- has yet to run to June 30 and there are two
mo:;e. payments outstanding. I can't exactly tell you Mr. Mayor what they are
Mayor F'erre:It says $239,000. the way I see it -here. We are into the
3rd year.
Mr. Andrews: That is the full contract amount for the full year but
they the month of May and month of June yet to go and payments maybe lag
two weeks of the full month.
Mayor Ferre: They are into the 2nd year, correct?
Mr. Andrews: No they are really completing the first year Mr, Mayor,
eerrc: }low much does it cost through the first year, is what
f ' ee Yoe.
Andrews: The f:, rst year is a hundred -thirty some thousand dollars,
kr there was a :supplemental period prior to the beginning of this contrast
when w,:.went. through the selection process in organizing ourselves for the
iziterir„ examination, and it is $147,000. for the first year.
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Mayor Ferre: Now, the 4nd year is going to be $130,000,
Mr. Andrews: That is right,the 3rd year would be $108,000. them
lowing two years Would average approximately $60,000, per year.
Mayor Ferre: Where are we getting the funds to pay for this.
Mr, Andrews: From federal revenue sharing,
Mayor 'Ferre: That is fine, if they are coming from federal revenue
Oaring, we say the federal government is paying for it, 1 want to point
out to you that if we wern't spending in this we Could be spending it in
something else, so it is our money.
Mr. Andrews Somewhere along the way, we are going to have to begin
this process for fire, public works, sanitation department and other
departments.
Mayor Ferre:Spending $130,000. a year to test,
Mr. Andrews We won't necessarily spend $130,000. because we now have
a background of what needs to be accomplished, however validation of those
different classifications and examinations and families of jobs have to follow
somewhat the same procedure, and we, the commission and I, had better in the
months ahead come to ecanc conclusion as to what we are going to do about the
rest of city government going through the same process.
mayor Ferrc l see in line 10, indirect costs, of $21,000. will you
tell me what_ inairect cots are?
Andrews I'd like for the University of Chicago to come up and,--
Mayor Ferre: Dr. Saundera will you come up and tell us what indirect
costs are, or Mr. Fox, what I am :saying" is I see that the salaries, sub -section
personnel, benefits and what -have -you, is roughly $36,000. that the statistical
preparation which includes travel of $23,000. a year comes up to $36,000. and
then there is $21,000. indirect cost, tell us what that is.
Dr. Saunders: As well as I can make it out, is an over -head charge
which is put on by the general administration of the University of Chicago
--it is assessed as a percentage, 67% of item .1 up there, the salary schedule.
It is calculated as 67% of the first item you have on the page.
Mayor Ferro: L see,---
Dr. Saunders: This is a standard audited percentage figure which is
applied agaiest all kinds or contracts, that the University has with the
federal government.
Mayor re re: Dr. Sunders wcile you are up there, let me ask you something
--it says sub -personnel $36,000. and then it says statistical. preparation $36,000.
I assume that that doesn't include the $23,000. in travel, those are separate
i tt ris
Dr. =h-.:n 'ers : Yes, each of those is a separate item, except where there
arc totals (Ir.7wn here. It is the case
ords the 35,969 is a total?
. Saunders: That is correct.
ia,or Fo but the 38,938 sub, stet. and other, that is not a total?
]ga V .looks like a total from 9
Ma .,r 'eri ;:--but it not Include lines 4,5, 5, 7 or ? So basically
what this. tti:f,:izt, 31,00 . 9r approximately 34,000. for travel
con, .-tb, (:o putrere end ail this other stuff, equipment ,and zenta1s,38,000.
tor t, i_,*, :I preparation, and_ 21,000 for indirect costs.
items there, travel item,
hope to achieve some savings on, by making use of local people to help
proctor the exams we might be giving and that could save us an the order
of $10,000. a year which I don't think would be trivia,
Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor I would be amenable to offeting tie motion
providing it is clearly understood that that committee ought o r_ay in thete
and they ought to be used, that that committee ought to be re,.orting to us.
Mayor Ferre: I had told Mr. Plummer I would recognize him, but I
want to tell J.L. something I think and before you make your Notion
speak a little bit against the idea of going to a 5 year contract. There
is ati old saying in Spanish, when you pay the musicians they don't play as
well.
Mr. Plummer: There is an old saying in English you don't change
horses in the middle of the stream.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, the but the stream is not a 5 year stream my
friend.
Mr.Plutnmer Still if you fall off the horse you drown.
Mayor Ferre: You offer it but I am not voting for it.
Mr.. Plummer: Mr. Mayor ; T. am not going to offer a motion in face of
this commission,--L'11 offer it for one year then, it obviously the consensus.
I had hoped we could do it so these people would know what their future is, but
that is not the consensus of the commission.
Mayor Ferre: Let me put it to you this way, you don't change horses
in mid stream, but you never know what you are going to find in mid -stream.
Mr . Plummer: We still have 'a 30 day cancellation Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: It is always harder. Okay there is a motion by the Vice -Mayor
for the continuation of the contract the 2nd year with the University' of
Chicago, --
Mr. Plummer: Would you consider two years?
Mayor Ferre:I'd rather not, personally.
Rev. Gibson: 3.L.let me say this, they don't know they don't have
that contract in the bag, I am not saying you will do it, one thing we
discovered, is you be more anxious to get on with business, and you know
that you had to cou'e back here, you would start getting it in order, and
I think this,,you could tell us, 3 months, 6 months ahead of time, where
we are, and I don't think you have to wait until 30 days on the last month.,
I just feel like that is why I want that committee there, so if things
are going wrong, the committee will start pushing that red button earlier
enough that you know if you don't shape up, you will be shipping out.
Mayor Ferre:There is a motion and second by Father Gibson.
Mr.' Faulk: There is some criticisn because we haven't been able to
tell you we can't schedule the captain's examination, right. You give one
year's contract.
Mayor Ferre: Bob you can't contract for more than one year legally,
I. may not be Mayor and we may not be commissioners.
Mre i1k: i. want you to be aware that we have that constraint on us,
that we ar:' t eroeram an ei m natz.on, identify material for r eeple to be
able tt compare troru, because we can't have the in -put if we can't be sure
they ar going to be here.
Ferro: You have a year you can do a lot of work, so you can get
mt.sL u: _his done before r'ou have a problem again, and if you get into this
b.i:i 1,ee evidently we are in, 1 would hope that you would bring it before
tha c;nd of the contract, so :.it the '.tn and loth month, if they don't have
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to do, or they have sotte'thiftg to do attd dottt want to do it because theti
t Waft to question whether or not, we are goit►g to be paying them a $130,000.
to hold back on sotdething beeause they don't know if they get the contract
next year.
Mt. Aridrews.t atn going to recommend to the condnission if they forsee
such a probletn that they bring it to the commission in tithe so the problem
cat be solved, rather than 'have it on a ctisis basis,
Mr. plummet: You know what you are doing Mr Mayor, you are fooling
yourself, and I'll tell you why. The University of Chicago is tot going to
give up their ace in a hole. Now listen to this, did you hear what the Manager
told you a minute ago about the last two years,
Mayor Ferre: What did he tell me, ----
Mr. Plummer: $60,000. a year as opposed to $140,000. a year, and you
know why, because they have already got all of the systems developed and
next year you kick them out the door, you know what you are going to have
to do, have to bring somebody else in, who you are going to pay these high
costs to to develop,- well, okay, you are going to pay it all over again.
Rev. Gibson:I am not a gambling man, but I will take my gamble, they
have a reputation, they can't afford to back away unless they have a legitimate
excuse,
Mr. Plummer: Two years ago, this commission was so scared they would
have voted for anything because that federal judge was knocking right on that
door.
Rev. Gibson: I am not scared anymore,
Mrs. Gordon: I seriously question whether or not we shouldn't consider
the two years.
Mayor Ferre: You can't commit it unless you have the money.
Mrs. Gordon: The reason being that the development of tests as
I have listened, I' haven't done much talking but a lot of listening,
takes a considerable period of time arrive at in a manner that has to
be developed in order to get the best results, that is what I heard and
not knowing whether or not whether or not they are going to be around
the scene after one year, maybe this is going to handicap the development
of the best kind of testing procedure, with a 30 day cancellation period,
I personally, I am only speaking for myself, would not hesitate to go into
a two year contract.
Mr. Andrews: Mr
entertain going into
in the contract that
as this IS to follow
appropriate funds to
. Mayor and members
a contract for two
the 2nd year would
the charter, until
make the 2nd year
of the commission, if you should
years, you'd have to place a provision
not become implemented until'such time
such time as the city commission would
Mayor Ferre: Which means you can only do it for
the other stuff is just talk.
Mr. Plummer: How did we do Stanford Research Institute?
Mr. .Andrews 0n an annual basis.
Mayor Ferre;'I personally am not willing to vote for these people for
more thin one year.
.. Plummer: When'we first started we allocated a half -million dollars
for ;(1 ,unarviuion and exports for the new police station, tow at the end
of 5 foxrs with Stamford Research, because we did it on an individual basis,
we ar, now paying 2 m.`?l.ior dollars or a million and half more than was originally
p,4jr•cted.
Xr. Andrews: No,-- I um not
it i:e t 2- million dollars.
Mr: Plummer: Furnish the the figures
Mayor Ferrel Do you grant to go for a 2 year contract
Mrs, Gordon. Let the motion stand.
Mayor Ferre: ,Call the roll.
Mr. Plummer: I am unhappy with it, but I'il vote yes.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-447
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER
AND THE CITY CLERK TO NEGOTIATE AND ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT
WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO FOR THE PERFORMANCE, BY ITS
DEPARTMENT KNOWN AS THE INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS CENTER, OF
CONSULTANT SERVICES IN CONNECTION WITH THE CITY OF MIAMI
POLICE TESTING PROGRAM FOR A PERIOD or ONE YEAR FROM DATE
OF EXPIRATION OF PRESENT CONTRACT WITH 30 DAY CANCELLATION
PROVISION CONTAINED THEREIN
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on -file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon hfling seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the followingvote-
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.') Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre. NOES: None.
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6 28, PROPOSE1 of tNANCt AM1 NbMEN?'S' t S C -S DEN 't Ate �b - F I i:E
DISCUSSION AND beF&1 RAL or v tEms
Me. Attont Mr. Mayor at►d members of the Comnissioft. peril 11 17 is a folloVeUp oh
the action taken by the Commission in amending the Re4 Zoning District to prohibit
the development to overbuilding of the many shall particular lots we have itt the
City of Miami with too Much density and to insure that the redevelopment of these
lots in the future will provide the type of green living environment as necessary
to attract new residents in the City of Miami.
Mayor Ferret 1 didn't hear what you said George.
Mr. Acton: l said that the proposed amendments will insure that the future re -develop'-
meat of small fifty (50) foot lots in the City of Miatni will insure effecient green open
space in connection with small apartment buildings. As you recall, we went through quite
an extensive study on this matter during the hearings in Little Havana, When the City
Commission did take action on the R+4 Zoning District as it pertains to density and
the provision of green open space on these small lots. What 1 am saying is that the
K-3 amendments that are before today are follow-ups on the same type of system that was
used in the preparation of the P.-4 zoning amendments as they pertain to 50 foot lots.
Very simply it provides that 3 or more (you know) units must be based on the provision
of 1500 square feet per unit from one up through(' believe) it's 15 units. And then it
reverts back to the units standard contained in the ordinance.In the case of the k-3, it
would be 900 once you cover 15 units.
Mayor Ferre: George, let me ask you at this juncture a question? In effect, what the
impact of this is to - it is another move toward -- densities. Isn't that right?
Mr. Acton: On small lots, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: Well, this is the portion that addresses small lots. You would address
everything else and ---- dozens of other things that are happening. But this is another
move toward the intensifying,the overly intensed Miami.
Mr. Acton: Yes. In the way these small lots are being converted to overly building.
Mayor Ferre: And of course the County is doing the same thing.
Mr. Acton: The other thing is this intends to do is to encourage the asseeblish of
larger lots plus you know, more intensity development on larger lots.
Mayor Ferre: Let me tell you I've read this thing. And I` am going to tell you,I am
going to vote for it. But I want to tell you something about the way I am going to
vote for it. Because their is an underlining philosophy that's going through all of
this and that is we are making it tougher and tougher all the time to do, develop, to
build and we are going toward these lower densities and lower this, and more control,
more re -development -- we are making it tougher to re -develop, tougher and tougher, and
tougher._ And of course, the County is doing' the same, because they want Urban's ---
and of course, what's going to happen is that everybody is going to go to Broward County
until they do the same thing and then they'll go to Palm Beach or some other place and
I don't know but - I know that this is the trend throughout the Nation and I am not
against better planning, but I hope we don't confuse better planning with zero population
growth which I am afraid is the ultimate of a lot of these things. They are just
little things that are picking away here, here, and there. Picking away at really -
bringing down--- you know --- Rose, you know what the most challenging thing was that
article that Ted Pappas wrote the other day. Did you see that in Sunday's paper -two
weeks ago? "He said, (this is Keyes Company) the average house in Dade County, 10 years
ago was selling for $20,000.00 and as of April of this year (1975) the average house is
selling for $48,000,00. Now, I ask you Father Gibson, how many people do you know in
this community that can afford to buy the average house for $48,000.00?
Mrs. Gordon: Let me tell you that average house Mr. Mayor, is the one that was built
for $8,000.00 about 25 ov 30 years ago.
Mayor L' -: Yes stir and what's happening is - that you know there use to be a time --
and you know we are complainieg about the poor people and the Black people and the Latin
people, These people that can't buy houses, but let me tell you. It isn't limited to
the poor people anymore. It going up and up and up where only the rich are going to
be able :o buy and own houses around here. I don't have any problems,
Mrs. Gordon: That's why the tendency now is to the kinds of developments that this
developer had here earlier this afternoon, The condominium which resembles a house in
the two-story Cashion,
Mayor F rre: Yea- but we are not going to let hitn build that because he
to knock down two trees.
Ifs. Cordon: We've got to relocate him and prune the roots maybe, but that's beside
the point. But the point is that the average man the average family cannot afford
to buy a house today.
Mayor l:`erre: Right;
Mrs. Gordon: Because they cannot afford to qualify
for the
mortgage it 1 .
Mayor F'erre: That's one point and the second point is because, the builder can't
take down three trees and he can't do this, and he can't do that. He's got to have
so much green area, and he got to do this and that -- and instead of putting up
an apartment which would have cost $18,0O0.00 all the restrictions that we put on him
make it cost $27,000.00 and he's going to put a profit and the interest rate is now
up to so much. Ey the time he's through with it. When it should be selling for
$20,000.00, it's selling for $30,000.00.
Mr. Andrews: And the one criteria governs most of this more than anything else is
that we set the minimum number of square feet of property that you can build -a single
family residence on,
Mayor Ferre: We can do them right now. See- I am gcing to vote for this but I am
telling you what's going on Paul, is that we are making it more and more and more
difficult for people to build in Miami. We are really killing the goose that lays the
golden eggs in this _community and we keep on doing it. Listen, I am goin, to tellyou
something. You know those people up in Boots Bay or whatever the name of that place up
in Maine. You know who didn't want that refinery up there. I don't know whether you
saw some of these recent articles about these people who are really crying about --
you know '_hey were all Gong Ho on Ecology and were not going to let these refineries
run the beautiful environment of Maine. You go up there and ask them about it now.
You know, and lam not saying that I am for the refinery, but I am saying, but I am
saying is that we are getting to a point where we are not going to be able to afford
Government anymore. The reason why the U.S. doesn't compe,1 in the steel industry in
the world is because the Japanese and tie Germans and the Italians, and everybody else
that can make steel cheaper than we can. And the reason;it isn't because they go lower
labor. It's because they don't have all of these things that are restrictions upon
the private aad all I am saying is it's Plummer's own line."Keep on more
Government, keep on addine, keep on adding to the burden of it and someday there won't`
be anything to add dnymor.e, because there won't be any burden, we won't be aroun I
Mr: Plummer: Yesterday, it was reported on T.V. there were 20 million gallons of
orange juice imported into the State of Florida and 19 million gallons worth export,
why?
Mr. Andrews: Because they are producing somewhere else too. (Mexico).
Mayor Ferre And the point is you know- these are all beautiful dreams and I want
more trees on fote too and I want the lots bigger. But we keep on adding one page
after another of all these things and when you are all done and through with it. You
are gust ;,ling to meke people go to Hialeah and build houses there or out somewhere else
when: they don't ;:. ve to go through ail of this. And, ok.
Mr. Andrews: 'iou know, Mr. Mayor, there was two parts to this problem and the City
meta ever the years approached the land planning as one matter and we've engaged out
sa.de conseiten-,s aad reviewed staff and physically planning for the City. The thing
that we: have not done that we've done from time and there are staff people here been
screaming, myse.if and maybe Andrews Crouch and others who have from time to time srjt
-down and reviewed and reorganized the sub -division ordinances and other ordinances of;
the City that builders and developers are required to follow, Including, the South
Florida Bui.ldin .' Code, bur nowhere have 'ae ever had really, a complete examination of
all of these to determine how they all fit together and if we got false restrictions
and
Mayor ies Andrews, you're the boss, all right. You are the boss of the City,
Now, . is ro;:amr ,nr inr; i' - thing, I am going to vote for it. ng
to ask y question, iL.tve you read this?
:dr» Notas extensively as T should.
dyor ea:rk.: Well, i.t 1 a1,1 going to ask you some questions flhout it are you going to
he rat: t.; to :'nswei' 7 I ail! Going to ask you some of the quest ons that I have on this
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thing. Ate you going to be able to answer
this for me?
Mt, Andtewq: No: Because I don't trust myself as the technical expert.
to ask the same questions that you are asking of Mr. Acton.
Mayor Fertes But you are dealing now and you are asking the to vote on something that
deals with a very hard and light of the future of the city of Miami. And you are the
top man.
Mt. Andrews: Mr, Mayor, I'd have to come to the same conclusions that you do based on
the ability to have"'this kind of information put together in a way that goes beyond what
Mt. Acton's capability is to his staff. We don't have the resources within the City to
do precisely what I am telling you needs to be done.
Mayor Ferrel But doggone it man if you are concerned as you seem to be. Then why do
we always keep doing these things and say well somebody must of read it. Somebody must
know about this, I guess this is just as good, because we are going to get more green,
areas. I'll vote for it, let's vote. One, two, three and we keep on adding these things.
Look, let tile .tell you a little history of something that happened to me once and you are
going to recognize this. I was once in an American Embassy and (I was eery friendly
with a lot of people that worked in the U.S. Embassy in Paris) and I remember one time
going out to dinner with a whole bunch of these U.S. (our people representing my country)
in France and I got into a big discussion about the Capital System. Do you know what
these guys told me (and girls) there was a lot of girls that were at this dinner. 'They
said well you know, hey that's part of the past. The future of the world is not the
free enterprise system, it's not the ownership of property. We are going toward a
social social.isti.cs state. Now, these are people - so I said all right, ok. That's your
belief, right. Now, let me ask you something. How long have you been in the state Dept-
artment, well I got out of Georgetown University, I got out of this University, etc.
They been part of the State Department and this guy for 10 years , the other one for
15 yearn, you know those guys never really were apart of going out and worc.ing like you'
worked, like all of us have worked. You know, for a living. They've became and I
don't mean to disregard jovernment function areas in anyway. But they became governmental -
employees and they becatne part of the establishment of government and here they were re-
presenting us in France and they were telling all of these Frenchmen that they deal
with everyday thinga that I don't think represents the majority of the Americans. Now,
if you said, let's put it to a vote. Let the American people decide, the ,'.mericaa people
would not, would not subscribe to what these government function areas jn.'aris are
saying. Yet, they were telling them - French people that, that's what we ---- that
represents me. Now, I am telling you this I am telling you this, I ,Ion's think that
this continual erosion that we have in the name of better planning is necessarily ---rep-
sentive of the totality of this community if this community really recognize what the
end effect of some of these things that we are doing really are And what I am without
any hesitation in saying here is that we are very slowly chipping away at what might be
the economic bas of this community without really knowing what we are doing. All
the interest of something that we all subscribe too. Better planning, but what we may
end up with is zero population growth and there is nobody here who's for that. And I
think it's high time Mr. Andrews and I am talking to you that when Mr. Acton with all
do respect s to him and his department come with these things. That you know these
things backward kward and frrsara and that we know them that way and that when we vote on
thee -.s know exactly wis .. the hell wa. are voting on. Because I_ don't think ---- I am
going to be very frank and admit it A_ lot of times 1 vote on these things to, completely
independent on what's going on here tout knowing really what real impact of these
things are and 1 dare say that I can say the same about anyone of you, except maybe
Hose probably knows more about some of these items
Mrs. Gordon: Maurice, '_?ik. way I feel about these matters that we are talking about
right now. I: tin=nk we ought, to defer them. Each of them tonight and take them back
and really study them individually.
Mayor. Ferre: I'd like the Manager at the next time he brings one of these things
we are going to say that you are going to have to so many square feet to build on a
lot o- so many trues or so many --- that you tell me that you have read it. ' You know
what they ;, ..id that you agree with what this thing needs and that goes for everyone
of u .
Mr. P1 n:ii;,r: You know you a:&. not saying Mr. Mayor, You snow we've had all of this
ploonins. 1,1r'' 'e had u.11. ,i ehis studying. We've had master plans and wt.'vc watched
Lit-t -jve die , We have more studies. We have more planning and we've watched
Allao _o'ait d.l�::" Allapat.Lah is now all behind bars, We have more studies. We have
more r.!v,rything. Down;.osan is dying, . ou know, there's really n ,thing going to be
lest to bury. I am nc adding with you, What I am trying to say is this, it seett.s
MAY 8:- 1975
like the more we study and the more we do. The mote dead aerials we create
and I think the Mayer hats spoke tight through the heatt of it. You know, maybe
we've reached the point where we can't afford no Mote studying. I dott't know.
Mr9. Gbr'dott: I think we've gotten tired. I personally feel that at this point
at 7:15 after spending Many hours as we have today that this issue is just more
important than just passing it because it's on the agenda. t think we should
study it andiie believe in it after we read it thoroughly and digest it more
thoroughly. t'll admit that I have to read this more thoroughly. I don't know
about the rest of you, maybe --�
Mr. Andrews: prior to the adoption of the new procedures the City Manager was
rarely involved in the planning process as it became to these type ofordinance
4jou discussed theta through the planning system of the planning code of the City
f Miami. The process was one in which the planning director and the (now) Director
of the Department of Zoning ----- Planning Planning period of administration, functions for
the board and the directly to the City Commission thru resolution adopted and
then the planning department after their staff really thru the City Commission invited
them down off the actual ----- plans. ( INAUDIBLE CONVERSATION)
I recognized ---placed a new responsible upon the City Manager in that now both of these
elements were reporting more less to the Manager and the Manager now is reporting to the
Commission. As a result of the way the new ordinance operates. This places the Manager
in a rol of perhaps making more recommendations than he has in the past. You'll not
find the City Manager's recommendation under each one of these items as it is under other
Administrative areas of the operation of the City Government, I understand what the
Mayor is saying fully, because there have been certain significant studies that Mr. Acton<
has produced for. the Planning Department that where he has given advise to thru the
Planning Board in which I've become personally involved. So that I would be knowledgable
and could relate that to the rest of the City operations, so that I'd be prepared to
make recommendations to the City Commission. But the area that the Mayor is now talking
about is even a greater involvement upon the City Manager participating in this whole
process. And fully recommending to the Commission that which a staff member now is
then advocating. Should be adopted for the City Commission. That change in role is
really a significient ro12 Mr. Mayor and it's a transition we're going through.
Mayor Ferre: Paul, if you recommend that Marks Brothers should get an award, or that
you recommend that something ought to be settled." My God ", Man this issomethingthat
is a hundred times more important than whether Marks Brothers get the contract to pave
fourteen streets.
Mr. Andrews I recognize that.
Mayor Ferrer Or whether the Orange Bowl is going to be improved or not improved. This
is something that speaks to very life of this community and Good God', if you are the
top man in the administration, certainly you should be completely involved. At least
in the end result of it. Just like I'm involved in it. Rose and Father Gibson, Manolo,
and J.L. You know, we got to live with this thing. You are asking us to vote on this
thing and you (in my opinion) should be involved in this whole process. As the top
man, you know, you are the boss pause--- All right.
Mr. Plummer: This is one of the things that's suggested, Mr. Mayor.' This is the
seventh time that we have taken the so-called government to the people and I think
you can see the interest of the people. They are not here.
Mayor Ferrer Yea, but that ----
Mr, Plummer (Inaudible) that's what we've lost,
Mayor Ferre:
right now.
Nobody cares, until their ox gets gored. But we are goring our`ox
Mr, Plummer They don't believe us,
A MOTI(,:' TO DEFER ITEM 17 & 18 UNTIL THE
NEXT MI TING AND EACH OF THE COMMISSIONER'S
ftEi D AND BECOME FULLY ACQUAINTED AND IL. ABLE
TO SPEAK TO THE MATTER,
Passed and `adopted by a unanimous vote of the Commission.
MAY 8 197
MlAyOr Ferret And sul please 1 think it a itiipottaftt that you come prepared
17 18 to discuss those and all of us. Iftcluding men
MAY 8 1975
C-1 DISTRICTS LOCAL COMMERCIAL
29, ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS ARTICLE t t *6DE t N t NG "ADULT BOOKSTORES"
Mrs Acton Mr Mayor, it's simply a follow through on some of the recotntnendatiotis
shade on Little River Study. This recommendation pertains to the type of uses that
ere presently allowed in these C-1 Zoning Districts and we ate recommending that
Mayor Ferre: Well, what does it delete?
Mr. Acton: It simply says that it restricts the"Bookstores " that exist in C-1
Zones, that they be opened to the general public. In other words we are eliminating
"Adult Bookstores" in the C-1 Zone,
Mr. Plumper: Where are you putting them? You are eliminating them from the C-1, then
they are allowed in the C-2.
Mr. Acton: No.
Mr. Plummer: The C-3, where are they allowed?
Mr. Acton: They would not be allowed. Wait a minute, though -- Commissioner Plummer,
your question would be beat addressed when we get to the next--- definition of "Adult
Bookstore, that's item "19B"
Mayor Ferre: Hey, now you know I've asked John Lloyd to rewrite this whole thing about
two weeks ago. Isn't he going to get involved in this?
Mr. Acton: Rewrite what Mr. Mayor?
Mayor Ferre: This whole question of "Adult Bookstores" -- you see the Supreme Court
as I mentioned a little earlier today. The Supreme Court -
changed the ball game
now you know.` Because they came out they said, "well we're not going to get involved
definitions of what morality is", you are going to do that in your own little City
Commission's. Well, that's us, that's us, so--- that's what you are talking about here.
When you are talking about a definition of an "Adult- Bookstore". What is this "2B"?
Mr. Acton: Well, it's simply a definition.
Mayor Ferre: Read it.
Mr. Acton: All right. Bookstores prohibiting the admission of minors.
Mayor Ferre: That's an "Adult Bookstore"?
Mr. Acton: Huh uh.
Mayor Ferre: Well, ok.
Mr, Acton: That's just a definition of the zoning ordinance.
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AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIV ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY,
OP MIAMI 'PLORIDA, ARTICLE XII, LOCAL COMM-
ERCIAL DISTRICT, EY DELETING SUBSECTION (2)
OP SECTION 1 iN ITS ENTIRETY AND SUBSTITUTING
THEREI'OR A NEW SUBSECTION (2) OP SECTION 1.
Was introduced by Commissioner Gordon and seconded by Commissioner
Gibson► and passed on its first reading by title by the following vote;
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J.L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record
and announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and to the public.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF
MIAMI, FLORIDA, ARTICLE II, DEFINITIONS,, BY
ADDING TO SECTION 2'A NEW SUBSECTION (la)
ENTITLED "ADULT BOOKSTORES".
Was introduced by Commissioner Gordonand seconded by Commissioner
Gibson and passed on its first reading by title by the following votes
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J.L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record
and announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and to the public.
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30
MS. NORA SWAN) CHAtRPERSoN
BI-CENTENNIAL COMMITTEE
PERSONAL APPEARANCE; RE(uESt FOR TRAVEL FUNDS TO WASHINGTON
FQR MEETING W Tt QtA,S1 ETC
Mayor Ferret Nora Swan has been here patiently like an angel for three of four
hours. Nora wants to go to Washington,, is that what we are going to talk about?
We need some kind of funds so that this Bia-centennial Committee can function
****At this point Mr. Weston reads the honing ordinattces into the record.****
Mrs. Nora Swan: Thank you Mr. Mayor and membera of the Commission. You are in
receipt of a letter that I had to sent about a trip to Washington, D, C. This is
in regard to negotations that we have been working with through the Bi.-centennial
Committee with the OAS and Maria Elena Torano as head of the Hispano Committee and
Mayor Eerre and I have met with Dr. Rivas and Mr. Malagon of the LAS and they haveMa
certain proposed projects that we are working with them about bringing the permanent
exhibits to Florida and folklore groups , certain concert groups. We did meet a
few months ago, about two months ago we met in Washington. And at that time I paid
for my own expenses to go. We were invited by Dr. Rivas.
Mayor Ferre: Nora, let me cut through and see if we can get right to the point.
Mrs. Nora Swan: Ok.
Mayor Ferre: The organization of American States has a whole series of exhibits,
painting, and art work, cultural things available. Now, my only concern and God, knows
that I'd love to see him here for the Bi-centennial. Sooner or later somebody is going
to have to come up with some money. Where are we going to find the money to do all these
things?
Mrs. Nora Swan: Well, they said, that they would talk about it. That was, the idea.
They had certain funds that they were willing to go along with. I don't know ----
Mayor Ferre: Well, I'll tell you. I'll give you my opinion Mr. Andrews and members of
the Commission.' I think it's worth one trip...to Washington to see if there anything
there. ... If we don't settle it in one trip, Nora'I wouldn't spend anymore money.
Mrs. Gordon: All right, I move that we - provide Nora Swan with the means to travel
to Washington to try to arrange with the O.A.S. for corporation with the B -centennial
Committee. Ok? Does that cover it?
Mr. Andrews: I feel extremely uncomfortable in behalf of the City Commission. Wherein
you're permitting people who are not part of the City Government through a Committee
process to spend travel moneys. When you start this process, there is absolutely no
cloning the door to it. You are going to have requests from every single committee you've
got to travel all over. You permit the Boxing Board to travel, because it's an identified
board under an ordinance that you created. That's one part. The second part is - I
think we should have more justification if the travel were permitted and then we find
some other way of doing this. There is through the ( I -am trying to remember ) who.
made the contribution to as far as the whole Bi-centennial program The Umbrella Organ-
ization,
Mrs. Gordon: Third Century.
Mr. Andrews: Third Century. Thank you.We made a significient contribution to Third
Crntury and doing so you'd appropriated money for the specific of carrying out this
function. I chink that this ought to be directed under that and they achieve the funds
that they need to travel.
Mrs. Nora Swan: That has been changed though, because Third Century usedto be in
charge of the Bi-centennial completely, now it has been--- they still are at the head.
But each Municipality has it's own Bi-centennial"Committee and everywhere throughout the
country the bi-centennial Committee is functioning.
Mayor Vocrk: Let me ask you a question? How much did we give Third Century last
Year hu) ct,
Mr, Andrews Wasn't it $13,' (;U
;or;i }wan: $8,500,00.
Mr, Andrews: Maybe I get confused with the $12,000 or something else.
Mayor Ferre All right. But I am going tc' tell you something. 1 atn just going
to go oh the record tight titito, Next time Budget tithe cotes around, We are going
to take sate out oWt flrat Ahd l know there is going to be a lot of people 'up=
get about that. You can blame it on me. But we are going to take care of out
BIMcenteniial Co titteei
Mra, 'Gordon: I look at this request as a two -fold request Mr, Manager, because
Mrs, Swan is serving us in the dual capacity. She's serving us as the 'chairman of'
two cotmnittees, both to do with cultural and the second one is !3icentennial, But
the first one is the one where she chairs the cultural - selections committee, art
selection committee for public buildings. And if we didn't send her for the Bi-
centennial we would be in our rights I think to send her under the other= umbrella.
Mayor Verret And I'll tell you what I think Mr Joe Parades ought to go Paul?
I think that Mr, Joe Parades ought to go with her, whoever you select - I don't know
who in the City of Miathi ought to go . And I will arrangethat they both go meet
Mrs. Hatks and people at the National Endowment for the Arts and you got a perfectly
good reason. Because we still haven't gotten approval on that $45,000.00 grant. We
've got a proposal in there to try to get a $146,000.00. So there are a lot of things
that could be done in Washington that Nora Swan, I think would be an asset too. I
concur with Rose there's a double purpose to be served. So you made a motion.
Mrs. Gordon: Yea. It's really a triple purpose. You know,
Mayor Ferre: Who seconds the motion? The motion is that the City of Miami provide
funds for Nora Swan to go to Washington to see the 0.A.S.
Mrs. Gordon: And also Nancy Hanks and others that might be a benefit to us here locally.
Mayor Ferre: The National Endowment for the, Arts and the other things that can be
service to the City. Mr. Andrews you want to talk to it?
Mr. Andrews: No,I have no further questions Just really in the way cautioning
Commission so thatrecognize what the area they are entering into -as far as travel
concerned.
Mrs. Gordon: You see any problem with regard to the dual committee, you know that
- -- second committee. The one of the cultural art selection is one that is mandatory.
Mayor Ferrel See-- I don't know of any other I really don't know of any other
function that isas eminent as this Bi-centennial sitivation. So, I wouldn't feel this
way about anybody else. I don't think.Now, let me tell you something else Paul.
In the Miami Herald this morning this morning. There was an article about the -
$20,000.00 we are going to spend for a mural at the Police Department.
Mr. Plummer: That's just the first prize, right.
Mr Andrews: That's only the first portion of. about $180,000, is
Mr. Plummer.: Excuse tne, this is not money
Mrs. Nora Swan: No, no, this is for the art work for the mural.
Mayor. Ferrer I hope so.
Mr. Plummer: Well, no wait a minute. Just so that I' won't be misunderstanding or
I was at a luncheon the other day where you spoke at the beautificiation. As as I
understood it That the $20,000,00 was just for the rendering. It did not include
the actual moziae, it was just a prize for the winner. "Yeah:
Mrs. Nora Swan That's correct. The entire mural was ---
Mr. Plummet: 1 just asked the Manager if he was aware of that, he approved
he Hald "
Mayor i'crt Well, I am going to tell you Nora. I'm completely against that, Nora
I think that is a0Surct for us to spend $20,000,00 just for the
Mayor Perrc: Now, Paul you beets to my office. That %hole tnuta1%��.
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor, please and Commission. This is a recommendation frtn
them to the ttty of MIAMI as to how to go about this=
Mr. Plummet: Wait a mminute, Paul, Now, please Borg trade a flat statement. l4ora
you 'correct me if t am tirl ng, that you bad until the 8th of May to get your the
contest to end it. Is that correct?
Mr. Nora Swan: Yes, that was for all the entries of past ---- and out of those
entries , sit artists would be choaen. Each one of those artists.,
Mr. Plummer: You said there were three prizes, right?
Mr. Nora Swab: No. no. No, there were sic artists that were going to be chosen.
Mayor Ferre I want to submit my proposal.
Mr. Plummer; You got two days.
Mayor Ferre: For $20,000.00 first prize.
Mr. Plummer: Today is the last day. $20,000.00 just for the prize.
Mrs. Nora Swan Well, that would be for them. There are five murals, one is 85 ft.
by 8 ft. and the other four are which would take a year's work.
Mr. Plummer: What I was getting at Nora. It doesn't reduce the art and the only
question that I have is not that particularly. I'll address that later, but who
approved the $20,000.00 for a contest? I have never seen it come before this Commission.
Mr. Andrews: It wouldn't have too.
Mayor Ferre Well, 1 am going to tell you that I am dead set against that.
Mr. Plummer: Well, I am just asking, you know these are things --- creditability.
Mrs Nora Swan: All the Advisory Committee does is to recommend and they recommended
and sent it on to the City Manager.
Mayor Ferre: Look, let me tell you something, Nora. I am not against spending $20,000
for a mural. I am not against spending $50,000 for a mural, but I am against spending
$20,000.00 in a contest just for the drawings.
Mrs. Nora Swan: No, this is for the work that would be done. The completed work.
The Commerical Company would make tile but ----
Mr. Plummer: Just for a rendering, this is not the work.
Mrs. Nora Swan: No the rendering is $2,000.00 for the rendering.
Mr. Plummer:
How much does the prize artist gets?
Mrs. Nora Swan: The prize artist gets $20,000.00.
Mr. Andrews: For the design of the mural.
Mayor Ferre: Yeah, but that's a finished piece of work. Yes it is.
Mr. Plummer; Ok? Nora, I am not even arguing that, the only thing I am arguing, that
I asked Mr. Andrews is who approved it, it has never come before this Commission?
Here we have people delegating $20,000.00 of taxpayers money that this Commission, the
elected officials have not even heard about until I heard it last Friday.
Mrs. Nara Swan: Well, the recommendation was sent to all. the --- a copy of the recommend
ation was sent to all the Commissioners.
M. Plummer;
Nora, that's not the point.
Mr. Aldrews; Now, wait a minute Now, wait just a minute, These are proposals that
the c4-ty will receive when it comes time to awarding these Commission's, then this will
be brought before the Commission. But we can't authorize just the expenditure of these
tunds without the Commission's approval..
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Mt. Plummer: You tell somebody and you give them the imptession that's the impression
l got. Tf t at wrong 1 stand corrected, That a contest was being held the deadline
Wag the 8th. Six artists Would be chosen. The top prize Was $204000.O0.
Nora Swan: For the execution of the mural.
Mr. Plummer: Cliff, I was at that luncheon. Don't
Mt. Cliff Hayes: Well, the way 1 underntand it. We
art work and then we select ore of those six for the
Mt. Andrews: To commission them.
Mr. Cliff Hayes: And there commission is $20000.00.
Mr. Plummer: Is that the way you understood it?
Mayor Ferre: Yea: but that's for the whole thing.
Mr. Cliff Hayes: Well, they give us a rendering. And
On
Mayor Ferre: We build it:
Mr. Plummer.: That's right: That's what I've been trying to say. It does not include
the ---
Mayor Ferre: Hey! Listen, let me tell you something, Cliff, it doesn't work that way.
Cliff, it doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way in Rome, it doesn't work that
way in Paris, it doesn't work that way in Mexico City,.
Mr. Cliff Hayes:, We wanted to get people who would actual build the
Mayor Ferre: You know, M.R. Harris or Frank J. Rooney isn't going to build the mural
for you. You got'to`---- have an artist.
Mr. Andrews: We better re-evalute this whole thing.
Mayor Ferre: You better look into that. And listen, let me tell you something else.
about that. Mr. Andrews, so we can move ahead.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75- 448
A MOTION OF INTENT TO PROVIDE TRAVEL EXPENSES TO WASHINGTON,
D.C. FOR NORA SWAN TO ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN FUNDS TO ASSIST
IN BICENTENNIAL CELEBRATION ACTIVITIES IN THE CITY OF"MIAMI
AND ALSO TO ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN FUNDS FROM THE ENDOWMENT FOR
ARTS.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the motion
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES Mr. Reboso, Rev. Gibson, Mrs. Gordon, Mayor Ferre.
NOES: Mr. Plummer
ABSENT:None.
was passed
Mayor Ferre: Now, Nora would you listen for just a second. If you go pp to Washington,
and I'll try to get you an appointment with the people in the N,E.A. I would recommend
Mr. Andrews that somebody from the Administration begin to establish her personal report
with people at the N.E.A. on a personal basis so that they know who we are. We know who
they arc and you know, Maybe it can be combined when somebody is going up for another
purpose, you know, If you let me know, I'll try to arrange some of these appointments.
MAY 8- 1975
Mayor Pettet What I at trying to get to flora, is if you are going to go and
spend a hundred thougand dollars, I would like for you really to spend an
bout or two at N,:,A. and get advise ag to how to go about doing this. tecaus+
theae people have all of there things, brochures and phatnplets and all types of
things. How do you go about getting the best local artists or Florlda artists
for these type of things?
Mrs. Nora 'Swam; Well, this was our recommendation, but Mr. Panc.oast said that
they were very crush for time, because this was one time that 1 ey had already
beet► assigned a building and it had to be completed by a curtain date. And it
really, in the future this is not the way to work it out,
Mayor Ferret I am sure that's how we got the great Leonardo Da Vinci and Raphael
all these people by somebody saying you have to have it there, because the building
is going to be done. Set the date and the chapel has to be finished you know
by three months,- come on -
Mrs. Nora Swan: Well, personally I think that for the amount of money that we have to
spend we could get major artist and this was the recommendation,but it was voted down.
Mayor Ferret Well, I am going to tell you dear, this vote here out of 5 isn't going
to vote that one down. If we are going to spend a hundred thousand bucks. We are going
to havean outstanding art collection or something or other there.'
Mrs. Nora Swan: Very good, I'm all for that. That was our recommendation, but it was -
voted down for a ceramic mural.
MAY 8 - 1975
31. EXTENSION OF EMPLOYMENT -1 YEAR - GEORGE J. SHELDON
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-449
A RESOLUTION APPROVING A ONE (1) YEAR
EXTENSION OF EMPLOYMENT PAST THE AGE OF
SEVENTY(70) FOR GEORGE J. SHELDON,
ARCHITECT, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS,
EFFECTIVE ON HIS BIRTH DATE, MAY 10, 1975
TO MAY 10, 1976, WITH THE PROVISION THAT
IN THE EVENT OF A ROLLBACK OR. LAYOFF,
MR. SHELDON, RATHER THAN AN JUNIOg EMPLOYEE,
WOULD BE AFFECTED.
(Here follows body of revolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES; Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
resolution was
MAY 8.19
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MAIM 71� M NTS �. EDDIE BUNYAN JR4 o RODERICK BUNYAN
The following resolution Vas introduced by Cotnissionet Gordon, who
Moved its adoption!
RESOLUTION NO. 75-450
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF
'FINANCE TO PAY TO EDDIE BUNYAN, JR. ,
INDIVIDUALLY, AND EDDIE BUNYAN, JR. AS
FATHER AND NEXT -FRIEND OF RODERICK BUNYAN,
AND RODERICK BUNYAN, WITHOUT THE ADMISSION
OF LIABILITY, THE SUM OF $1500.00 IN FULL
AND COMPLETE SETTLEMENT OF THEIR CLAIM
AGAINST THE CITY OF MIAMI FOR ALLEGED
PERSONAL INJURIES SUSTAINED BY RODERICK
BUNYAN, A MINOR, UPON THE EXECUTION OF A
RELEASE RELEASING THE CITY OF MIAMI FROM
ALL CLAIMS AND DEMANDS.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
MAY 8 1975
33, AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER TO PROJECTNY1MI2M� RIVERFRONT DEV,
PURCHASE $Y NEGOTzaTIQN
Mr. Plummer: I want to know more about-this."'Is this the Latin Riverfront'Park?
Mr. A. Crouch:No. This is what's called Commerce Plaza is on the --
Mayor Ferre: Have you got a copy of. that, I've never seen that?
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Mr. Plummer: Neither have I.
Mayor Ferre: When was that done?
Mr. A. Crouch: About 2 years ago by the D.D.A.
Mr. Andrews: Downtown Development.
Mayor Ferre: Well, is that right, I belong to the D.D.A., but I've never seen it?
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Mr. Plummer: What does this acquire?
Mr. A. A. Crouch: This acquires the parcel of land here and a little over 22,000 sq.ft.
on the rivetadjacent to the expressway and it's part of the bound -set for the park
development with a walkway, but not the existing walkway. It's the extension
walkway.
Mr, Plummer: Where?
Mr. A. Cr �:•h: It's a--
Mr. And e.ws: Second Street
Mr. A. Crouch North River Drive'where the expressway crosses over.
On the Downtown side of the river. This is the best overall picture, (showing him map).
Mr, Plummer: What's on the property right now?
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Mr3 A. groueht It's a old fish house. The two building aren't ---,—
Mr. Fiuntitert North or South of First Street?
Mt. A. Crouch: It is north of First Street.
Mr. Plutwner: tut before Flaglet?
Mr. Alt Crouch: Before you get to Flagler.
Mayor Ferre: Hey, look -et here. There's Second Street, there's Third Street, right?
Mr. Plummer: southwest.
Mayor Ferre: That's right, Here's the expressway going overhead.
Mr. Andrews: Z guess this must be the river here.
Mt. Plummer: But why are we acquiring property on that side of the river for a park
and we haven't even gotten Latin Riverfront put together?
Mr. A. Crouch: Because this is another of the Downtown Park area that was approved in
the parks where people bond programs, This area in here including the property that goes
down to the Florida East Coast Fisheries was proposed to be .acquired. The Florida East
Coast Fisheries were negotating with the owners there to see if they can't ----
Mayor Ferre:
We got the bond money to do that?
Mr. A. Crouch: Yes sir. This is a part of the bond funding.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon,
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-451
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO
PURCHASE BY NEGOTATION PARCEL NO. 7096-U OF
THE CITY OF MIAMI PROJECT 3, MIAMI RIVERFRONT
DEVELOPMENT, AS DESCRIBED HEREIN, FOR THE SUM
OF $122,000.00; AND ALLOCATING $125,000.00 FROM
THE 1972 PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES BOND
FUND TO COVER THE COST OF ACQUISITION OF THE
FEE SIMPLE TITLE OF THIS PROPERTY AND OTHER
COSTS INCIDENTAL TO THE ACQUISITION.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson,, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote
AYES Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
who
Andy, would you send me a copy of that? I've never seen that brochure
Mr. Plummer: Send us all a copy. And'I would like a copy of the 279 people that took
the exam. (The Civil Service Exam).
Mr. Andrews: We don't have the names.
Mr. PItu mer.: Then how am I going to be able to measure whether these people get into
the school?
Mr. Andrews: You'll have the names after the register is e6tab1ished, See, that's all
what. the. U. of Chicago and all we have is numbers right now,
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Mr. Plummer: '`hat's tint tfue. What a Minute Paul, how could a friend of Ththe Wilt
took that exam be told he was number 3
Mr. Andrews: Then they trust of just released the inforhation and if they did, ei11
certainly make it available.
Mr. Plummer: Ok.
MAY 8 ' 1975
GRANT FREE USE OF THE
54, ORANGE BOWL STADIUM SUBJECT
TO tA(MENT Or CQ T4 ETCI
MIAMI DOLPHINS INTRA-SQUAD
GAME FOR CHARITY TO B HELD
AV,Q r 1 QR 2, 19/
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
moved its adoptions
RESOLUTION NO. 75-452
A RESOLUTION GRANTING FREE USE OF THE
ORANGE BOWL STADIUM TO THE MIAMI DOLPHINS
CHARITY INTRA-SQUAD GAME ON AUGUST 1st OR
2nd, 1975; SUBJECT TO ADVANCE PAYMENT FOR
EVENT PERSONNEL, INSURANCE AND OTHER DIRECT
COSTS BORNE BY THE CITY.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
and on file
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
CommissionerRose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice MayorJ. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
MAY8
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NOES: None.
1975
35. AWARD BID: ORANGE BOWL ROLL UP DOOR REPLACEMENT 1975
ALSO ORDINANCE AMENDMENT -APPROPRIATING $33,473
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-453
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID RECEIVED
FROM i3ISCAYNE CONSTRUCTION, INC. IN THE
AMOUNT OF $29,887,00 FOR THE ORANGE BOWL -
ROLL -UP DOOR REPLACEMENT - 1975; AND
AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER
TO INSTRUCT THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT TO
ISSUE A PURCHASE ORDER FOR THE AFORESAID
i'ROM FUNDS TO BE APPROPRIATED FROM THE
ORANGE BOWL FUND BALANCE.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
here and
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by th_ following vote;
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner 'Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr,
Mayor Maurice A. Fc'r;'e
NOES; None,
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MAY
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED. -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING APPROPRIATIONS
ORDINANCE NO 8316 BYAPPROPRIATING
$130473.00 FROM THE ORANGE BOWL FUND
BALANCE TO COVER THE COST OF T11E
ORANGE BOWL ROLL -UP DOOR REPLACE-
MENT 1975; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES
IN CONFLICT HEREWITH; AND FURTHER
PROVIDING AN EF`ECTIVE DATE.
Was introduced by Commissioner Gordon and seconded by Commissioner
Gibson, for adoption as at emergency measure and dispensing with the
requirement of reading same on two separate days, which was agreed
to by the following vote!
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
Whereupon the Commission on motion of Commissioner Gordon, seconded
by Commissioner Gibson, adopted said ordinance by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
SAID ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO. 8401.
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MAY 8 1
6, ACCI PT t) LAWN EQUIPMENT
Thd following resolution was introduced by CottisSiofter Gibson, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION N0. 75-454
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BIDS RECEIVED FROM De BRA
TURF AND GARDEN SUPPLY AT A COST OF $7034.00 AND
HECTOR TURF AND GARDEN SUPPLY AT A COST OP $1,814,50
FOR FURNISHING LAWN EQUIPMENT FOR THE PARKS AND REC-
REATION DEPARTMENT AT A TOTAL COST OF $9,648.50; AUTH-
ORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO INSTRUCT THE
PURCHASING DEPARTMENT TO ISSUE PURCHASE ORDERS FOR THIS
EQUIPMENT FROM FUNDS ALLOCATED FROM THE 1974-75 BUDGET.
(Here followsbody of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office` of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
MAY 8 - 1975
37, ACCEPT BID LIFE PACK 4 DEFIBRILLATORS AND ACCESSORIES
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,' who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION' NO. 75-455
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF MEDTRONIC SALES,
INC. FOR TWO (2) LIFE PAK 4 DEFIBRILLATORS AND ACCESS-
ORIES AT A COST OF$7,981.50 FOR USE BY THE RESCUE
DIVISION OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT; AUTHORIZING AND
DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO INSTRUCT THE PURCHAS-
ING DEPARTMENT TO ISSUE A PURCHASE ORDER FOR THIS
EQUIPMENT; ALLOCATING FUNDS FROM THE FEDERAL REV-
ENUE SHARING PROGRAM FOR THIS PURPOSE.
(Here .follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES Commissioner Manolo_Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr,
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES None,
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MAY 8- 1975
AY 8191
381 AWARD 8 ID - CITY HALL ELECTRICAL IMPROVEMENTS - 1975
The follotai1g evil:Aim': was iritroduoed by Comaiiss onet Reboso, whb
vsd its adbptiott.
RESOLUTION NO. 75-456
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF ELECTRIC POWER &
SERVICE i INC. IN THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF $24,047
POR CITY HALL - ELECTRICAL IMPROVEMENTS - 1975;
ALLOCATING THE AMOUNT OF $24,047 FROM SPECIAL
REIMBURSEMENT FUNDS THE CITY HAS RECEIVED UNDER THE
LAW 92-500 "FEDERAL WATER POLLUTION CONTROL ACT
AMENDMENTS - 1972" TO COVER TEE ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF
THE CONTRACT; ALLOCATING FROM SAID ACCOUNT THE AMOUNT
OF $2,404.70 TO COVER THE COST OF PROJECT EXPENSE;
ALLOCATING FROM SAID ACCOUNT THE AMOUNT OF $480.30
TO COVER THE COST OF SUCH ITEMS AS ADVERTISING, TEST-
ING LABORATORIES, POSTAGE, ETC., AND AUTHORIZING THE
CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH SAID FIRM.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
:in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
MAY 8.1975
39, AWARD BID CITY HALL AIR CONDITIONING IMPROVE1ENTS 1975
Mayor Ferre: How much is that going to run?
Mr. Andrews: That's about $77,000.00.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO.'75-457
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF WEATHERTROL MAINTENANCE
CORP. IN THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF $6,950 FOR THE CITY HALL-.
AIR CONDITIONING IMPROVEMENTS - 1975; ALLOCATING THE AMOUNT
OF $b,950 FROM SPECIAL REIMBURSEMENT FUNDS THE CITY HAS
RECEIVED UNDER THE LAW 92-500 "FEDERAL WATER POLLUTION CONTROL
ACT AMENDMENTS ! 1972" TO COVER THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE
CONTRACT; ALLOCATING FROM SAID ACCOUNT THE AMOUNT OF $695 TO
COVER THE COST OF PROJECT EXPENSE; ALLOCATING FROM SAID ACCOUNT
THE AMOUNT OF $200 TO COVER THE COST OF SUCH ITEMS AS ADVERTIS-
ING, TESTING LABORATORIES, POSTAGE, ETC,, AND AUTHORIZING THE
CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH SAID FIRM.
ftiere follows bndy of resolution, omitted here. and on file
1n the Office .,f the City Clerk,)
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Upon being seconded by C hmissioner Reboso, the resolution w.iw
gassed acid adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Cofl t1ssionet Manolo Reboso
Commissionet Rose Gordon
Cotmnissioier (Rev.) 'Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr,
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: Note,
MAY 8 -197S
40 TOTNEGOTIATETAGREEMENT ORANGE BOWL SCOREBOARD
AMER /CAN INFORMATION-STEWART/WARNER
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
moved its adoption;
RESOLUTION NO. 75-458
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY
MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT WITH AMERICAN
INFORMATION CORPORATION/STEWART-WARNER FOR THE
INSTALLATION AND OPERATION OF.A SCOREBOARD PAC-
ILITY FOR THE ORANGE BOWL STADIUM.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner, Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
MAY 8.1975
AUTHORIZE CiTY ATTORNEY
41, TO VOLUNTARILY DISMISS
PARCEL NO, 7095-7
AFRICAN SQUARE PROJECT
The following resolution was introduced by, Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-459
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO
VOLUNTARILY DISMISS PARCEL NO. 7095-7 FROM
THE AFRICAN SQUARE PARK PROJECT; CITY OF MIAMI
V. GISELE FASHIK, CIVIL ACTION NO. 74-21840.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
on file
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted, by the following vote:
AYES; Commissioner"Manolo Reboso
'Commissioner Rose Gordon'
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr,
Mayor Maurice A, Ferre
iok
AUTHORIZE DIRECT ?R OP
IIIA ACCEPT SUM
OF $bOQ OU
CLAIM
The following tesoiution was introduced by Cottitnissiottet Gordon; sattt
tnovt d its adoption:
RESOLUTION N0, 75.-460
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE
TO ACCEPT THE SUM OF $600.00 IN PULL AND COMPLETE
SETTLEMENT IN THE CLAIM OF THE CITY OF MIAMI VER-
SUS JAMES BRUCE SMITH; AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY
MANAGER AND THE CITY CLERK OF THE CITY OF MIAMI
TO EXECUTE A RELEASE RELEASING JAMES BRUCE SMITH
FROM ANY AND ALL CLAIMS AND DEMANDS ARISING OUT
OF THE ACCIDENT INVOLVED IN THE ABOVE CLAIM.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here
in the Office of the City C,;terk. )
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Hanolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
AUTHORIZE DIRECTOR OF CLAIM OF THE CITY OF MI4"1I VS,
43, FINA ACCEPT SUM
OF $59O OO RONALD L. COMITO
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-461
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE
TO ACCEPT THE SUM OF $590.00 IN FULL AND COMPLETE
SETTLEMENT IN THE CLAIM OF THE CITY OF MIAMI VERSUS
RONALD L. COMITO AND MAIN INSURANCE COMPANY; AND
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY CLERK
OF THE CITY OF MIAMI TO EXECUTE A RELEASE RELEASING
RONALD L. COMITO AND MAIN INSURANCE COMPANY FROM
ANY AND ALL CLAIMS AND DEMANDS ARISING OUT OF THE
ACCIDENT INVOLVED IN THE ABOVE CLAIM.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A Ferre NOES: None.'
•
MAY 8
MAY 8. 197S
4ii AUO AT FROM S IAL
;IleaU StMEN ` FUN S
$ SU 000
ESTABLISH SPECIAL FUN I tik PURL H \si; F
MATeRLALS AND CONTRACTUAL sErVIC s
MANPOWER EMPLOYEES
The following wing resolution was if ttoduced by Corm issi snet Plifftiftet, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. I5-462
A RESOLUTION ALLOCATING FROM THE SPECIAL 'REIMBURSE
MENT FUNDS WHEN RECEIVED BY THE CITY UNDER FEDERAL
PUBLIC LAW 92.500; $50,000.00T0 BE PLACED IN THE
SPECIAL FUND ESTABLISHED FOR THE PURCHASE OF MATER-
tALS AND CONTRACTUAL SERVICES NECESSARY FOR CONSTR-
UCTING MISCELLANEOUS ALTERATIONS AND ADDITIONS TO
CITY EUILttNGS; $20,000.00 TO ESTABLISH A SPECIAL
FUND FOR LABOR CHARGES OF PERMANENT EMPLOYEES USED
TO SUPPLEMENT MANPOWER PROGRAM EMPLOYEES ON SPECIAL
PROJECTS.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None
MAY 8. 1975
45, ALLOCATE $35,000
ALTERATIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO
BUILDING DEPARTMENT BUILDINGS
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-463`
A RESOLUTION ALLOCATING THE SUM OF $35,000.00 WHEN
RECEIVED BY THE CITY FROM SPECIAL REIMBURSEMENT
FUNDS AUTHORIZED BY FEDERAL PUBLIC LAW 92-500 TO BE
USED FOR ALTERATIONS AND IMPPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILD-
ING DEPARTMENT BUILDING.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
100 MAY 8
I97$
'.Y8- 1975
46 ALLOCA 'E $25 'OUO
ALTO RA I ? INNS AND IMPROVEMENTS To
2ND FLOOR ClIY HALL
The following resolution was introduced by Cotntttiss onet plu ntnery who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-464
A RESOLUTION ALLOCATING THE SUM OF $251000.00
WHEN RECEIVED BY THE CITY FROM SPECIAL REIM=
BURSEMENT FUNDS AUTHORIZED BY FEDERAL PUBLIC
LAW 92-500 TO BE USED FOR ALTERATIONS AND
IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SECOND FLOOR OF CITY HALL.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
MAY 8 _- 1975
47, ALLOCATE $15,000 EQUIPMENT AND FURNITURE
CITY HALL BUIWING
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gibson, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-465
A RESOLUTION ALLOCATING THE SUM OF $15,000.00
WHEN RECEIVED BY THE CITY FROM SPECIAL REIM-
BURSEMENT FU^1DS AUTHORIZED BY FEDERAL PUBLIC
LAW 92-500 TO BE USED FOR THE PURCHASE OF
EQUIPMENT AND FURNITURE FOR THE CITY HALL
BUILDING,
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
100
MAY 5-1975
WAY 8 19
RESOLUTION IDENTIFYING stRviCES FOR BENEFIT Of. RESI1ENTs IN
UNINCORPORATED AREAS, PETITIONING COUNTY C MMISSIO T
P
APPROPRIATE MECHANtsti TO P tNANCE ACTL 1 TY" NAPTER 4-»9EF4S4)
S,
the follow ttg resolutiot was introduced by COMMistiOner Plut%et,
moved its adoptnt►
RESOLUTION NO. 75.466
A RESOLUTION IDENTIFYING SERVICES RENDERED
SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PROPERTY
OR RESIDENTS IN UNICOR?ORATED AREASAND
FINANCED FROM COUNTYWIDE REVENUES: PETITION-
ING THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO
DEVELOP AN APPROPRIATE MECHANISM TO FINANCE
SUCH ACTIVITY PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 74-191 (F. S.)
DIRECTING THE CITY CLERK TO TRANSMIT A CERTIFIED
COPY OF THIS RESOLUTION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS.
(Here foliows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner'Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
MAY 8 - 1975
49,
AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER
TO OBJECT TO AREA$ OF
COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
WHICH" IMPOSE' RESTRICTIONS ON
THE C jT1(
Mr. Andrews: I would like for the City Commission to adopt a motion which would
authorize me to object to certain areas of the development of that comprehensive
plan and its detail as it is imposing restrictions on the city. In review of
certain processes that the city has now in its own master plan development and
ordinance procedures.
Mayor Ferre: All right. Go ahead.
Mr. Andrews: I said I'd like the Commission to adopt a motion to that effect.
Authorizing me where necessary to indicate the City Commission's opposition to
controls that the County would establish over the City of Miami and the review
process over its own zoning ordinance.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gibson, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO, 75-467
A MOTION AUTHORIZING, THE CITY MANAGER TO
OBJECT TO CERTAIN AREAS OF THE COUNTY'S
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH IMPOSE RESTRICT-
IONS ON THE CITY,
Upon hetng seconded by -Commissioner Reboso, the motion was passed
and adop- t d by the loll .'i.ng voter
AYES ConunissLoner Aanolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev,) Theodore Gibson
Vice Maycr . L, Plummer
Mayor Maurice A, Ferre
NOES- None.
MAYS
1975
S t tN
Emi LIGHT NG OF TENNIS COURTS AtJA EW
STATION Al
Mr. Plummet: What is the cost of the lighting of rite Station f8?
Mr. Andrews: From my memory it was near $10,OOO.00 for the lighting.
There is apecial lighting that's required because of the utility poles on one a'
The court would have to be all lit from the other side. As a result in another
certiorari that we should establish if we go ahead and light this is that the
public has first preference for the use of these facilities.
Mr. Plummer: I agree. We will readdress it at budget time.
(TELEPHONE DISCUSSION)
Mayor Eerre: A1.1 right, Now, Paul I want to tell you there is an article that came
out in the Miami News as you recall about all of these phones we have. Now, I am
going to tell. you, I never knew what the deal was on that. Maybe it's my fault.
I should have been curious enough to ask.
Mr. Andrews: It could have been my fault too. I am assuming the responsiblity.
Mayor Ferre: You ought to send us a copy of what these contracts are because
if that's the case I will tell frank not to make any more phone calls. (Smile).
Mrs. Gordon: I want to ask you Mr. Manager in response to my memorandum to you which
I have not received an answer. If you intend to answer my letter and in detail form
as I have asked you for.
Mr. Andrews: Yes, Mrs. Gordon. I intend to do that.
Father Gibson: Mr. Mayor, I'd like to get an answer why it is that I pay more than
anybody else for telephone. You know, .and Ididn't make the selection. I just know
that, they gave me the phone, you know that bothers me. Not only that, that I have more
overcharge. You know,'I never knew that I' had to
Mrs. Gordon: I never did either. - additional comments
Father Gibson: Hey, let me tell you something about that telephone business. .That phone
stayed in my car. You need to know this- for about three months and I couldn't use
the darn thing and you know what ? That's one of the most inefficient service that we
got:
Mrs. Gordon:
Half of the calls that
Father Gibson: So doggone right and if ---- let me tell you whatI start doing.
I started to ---- if i want to talk to my secretary. I'll call her and say to my
secretary for her to call me back. I hope they aren't charging me for the time she
is on the phone tacking to me.
LOMMINIS: They do, they do: It
computer.
Father Gibson: You mean if she calls me?
Mr. Plummer; Yea:
Father Gibson 'Man ---`you all need to come get
Andrews: ;t�11, let me tell you what have
Mrs. Gordon: I want to tell you when I heard about this Mr, Andrews, and the reporter
that told about it. "I said'you know some of`those calls are yours. You called me. I
always return calls.
that telephone.
Mr. Andrews: Let one tell you what I have in my automobile that where there is no charge
assessed and that is I have a radio communications with the Communications Department.
I just simil pick up my speaker and get the communication operator on the phone and
she 6i:1 tily telephone number I want and I get communicated wit There is no charge,
Mrs; (,oru'nt; Well, th is i:..teresting, Why didn't you let us know about that?
Mr. "um-er; Well, what's more interesting is, 1 suggested that to Mr. Reese when we
put Lie p:;ones in the car. And the answer was that there was only one charnel. That
only one person at a time can use i_ t rind that there were significantpeople of the
administration who were using it, No, to overload it,
Mra Go # doll. Well, all t can say iq -what aggravated me -tote than anything else
was the fact that I had never been informed that we were paying overage Charges).
Mt PluMMer: Ahd I was never informed by the City.
Mayor Ferret Me too:
Mrs. Gordon: You were never infortmed but you knew about it J.L.
Mr. Plummer: Sure because I was going to buy my own set,
Mayor Metre: All right. Well, look let's not get into
half an hour. # agree. Now, do we move on?
MAY 8 • 1975
WAIVE PARKING FEES FOR PERSONS
51, MOTION REQUESTING OFF— BECOMING CITIZENS AT CEREMONIES
STREET PARKING AUTHORITY BAYFRONT PARK AUDITORIUM
Mayor Ferre: All right. Now, I've got a letter here from the U.S. Department of
Justice: Sidney B. Mc J , Asst. District Director. Let me tell you what's
happening. You know, some of these people that become citizens swear in over at
Miami Auditorium. You know what'll happen? Our Policemen are going over there
and they go ticket all of these people while they are in there swearing in. Now,
you know it takes three hours. The'ceremony is a three hour ceremony to swear them
in or two hours or whatever it is. So the meter maids watches them and then they
ticket all these cars. There is a letter here and it says;'you are probably aware
that we have a constant problem. The people getting tickets for over -parking violat-
ions and we have terms of naturalization court at the'Bayfront Park Auditorium.
It would be greatly appreciated by this office if you would consider taking some
action before the City Council to provide for a waiver of the parking meter fee when-
ever there is a syrian ceremony between 8 in the morning and 2 in the afternoon. On
the days we naturalize 'citizens.
Mr. Plummer: Tell them to appeal it to the off-street parking.
in charge of it.
They are the ones
Mr. Andrews: As he say, I'll appeal it to the off-street parking board.
Mayor Ferre: Let's pass a resolution that whenever people are swearing in to be
citizens that we ought to waive it for three or four hours if they are swearing in.
Mr. Andrews: That you are requesting the off-street parking.
Mayor Ferre:
We are requesting the off-street parking to do that.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner,Reboso, who
moved its adoption:
A MOTION REQUESTING THE OFF-STREET PARKING
DEPARTMENT TO WAIVE PARKING FEES IN THE AREA
OF THE $AYFRONT PARK AUDITORIUM AT TIMES WHEN
NATURALIZATION CEREMONIES ARE TAKING PLACE.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Cc:rmissioner Manolo Reboso
C,mrlissioner Roe . Gordon
Goumissinnur (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice M.. ,r J.t..Paummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: Norte.
Nt'
MOTION OP INTENT
WAIVE FEE* FOR
BAYFRONI PARK AUDITORIUM
JULY 40 1975- NATURALIZATION ER •MONIES
Mayor Ferret Norma aunt wants to use the Bayftottt Park Auditorium for ttasturaliaation
ceremonies for July 4th, which is the begitttting of our ticententtial, They want a
waiver i guess that's what it lust be. Sidney Majors reported to the that the cetemeny
cermet be held it the facility from 8:00 A,M, to 2:00 P.M. Because it has already
been reserved tot that evening artd what whets saying is "look we'll be out of there
by 2, can't you get a crew its here and clean it up and have it available. Bev, 1'
Want to tell you something. I'd like for the first swearing in of our 200th year.
Por new citizens to be its the City of Miami. That's not such a bad deal. Now, why
can't we have them in the auditorium?
Mr. Andrews: All, we'll try. Let me have that correspondence
Do you need a resolution or not?
Andrews: Is it required a waiver?
Mayor Ferre: Oh: you know that they always require
a waiver.
I would pass that motion then, that you waive
Mr. Mayor,
a rental.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-469'.
A MOTION OF INTENT TO WAIVE FEE FOR USE OF THE
BAYFRONT PARK AUDITORIUM ON JULY 4, 1975 FOR
NATURALIZATION CEREMONIES.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson,
and adopted by the following vote:
Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore
Vice Mayor J.L.Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
MAY 8. 1975
53, BRIEF DISCUSSION: BUS BENCHES
the motion was passed
Gibson
dr. Andrews: I sent you a memorandumand the rest of the Commission in reference
to the bus bench contract. I am recommending that we continue the existing contract
on a month to month basis until we resolve fully with the Metro Transit people whether
wq; can make any significant adjustments. If not, then we'll have to go ahead and
ward that contract that was before the Commission. You recalled that we were going
to work with them in the hopes that we could obtain funding from them. They are
trying to get a grant to assit ,them in constructing certain number of bus bench stops.
Some of them are going to be constructed in the City of Miami. That would exclude
then a bus bench that we were going to contract for,
Father Gibson: Well, you want us to do it sooner?
Mr. A .,: t,, at this tiwo I am recommending the Commission
the i :' ,ing contract- on o to month basis, s0 you'd have to
that of l ut t.
Mr, 1'lUfinec;
Mr. :indr, gas;
autonwttie.ally
you don't need a notion for that,
Well, you do rom the ----- well, it does --- the
end at a :ertain tune unaess we extend it a month
that we continue
pass a motion to
contract would
MAY 8 1975
MW
LE'tt k FRO'*110
WAL C>4 E$
AP1tf TRANSIT SYSIP1
mayor e rtt*: mite Last thing that l got F. l MaVtAt gob 11.et bt 0,
Ail right. new he wrote a letter. ' to glut a fowl, tit tt, it wct-+ to rtol . .loha
Oyer, he said look: "the City of Miai i has one position and we got another 'posit wd
I don't agree. We got've to -get together and discuss it. Who wants to be on the
cOMMittee? "turkey") Roth Knight watts to talk to somebody in the City of Miami
CoMmission about the routing of that ttapid Transit through Coral Gables.
Mr. Plummer! I think 14 tiolb should be. I nominate Manolo.
Mayor Ferre: How about you turkey?
Mr. Plummer: Not me baby. (laughter)I became a blood bank expert, a law expert,
I'm -== huh, huh, do you know what this means Mr. Mayor we've number one.
Mayor Ferre: ---- Would you get together with Mayor Knight
where along the line. t guess till have to go.
Mayor Knight: Am I am going
one who is ---- - Ok?
Mayor Ferre: Nobody wants to.
Mr. PLummer: I nominate Manolo.
Mr. Reboso: That's ok. I'll do that.
MAY 8 1975
Commissioner Representative or atn I am the
CANCELLATION OF "ROLLING STONES"
55, BRIEF DISCUSSION ITEM: CONCERT AT THE ORANGE BOWL STADIUM
Mayor Ferre: Paul, your are not going to convince me. You are just not going to
convince me . You are just not going to convince me that we didn't shaft the
Rolling Stones.
Mr. Andrews: No sir. Mr. Mayor, so help me we did not.
Mayor Ferre: All right. I want you to know that I don't even know who tt- se people
are frankly,and I know that you are going to get angry at me. But I never even heard
of the Rolling Stones. I don't even know who they are. You know, I thought the Beatles
was the big thing. But evidently these Rolling Stones is the "it", but you know- it
says, Andrew Crouch and the Asst. City Manager who participated the Orange Bowl,
you know you read these stories &you get the idea that we really didn't try too hard.
Mr. Andrews: I'll tell you how hard we tried Mr. Mayor. I even told them that I'm
going to be recommending to the City Commission that we include in the Orange Bowl
Improvements, a portable bandstand that we will be installing ourselves in the Orange
Bowl.' So they don't have to go out and go through the expense of always acquiring.
Mr. Plummer:
But Paul, they can't wait until 1990.
Mayor Ferre: No. We missed the boat on the Rolling Stones, but please, in the future
we've got to be ready to bring in these things. If it brings in a 100 thousand bucks,
doggone i can think of a dozen things. And Rose Gordon's got two dozen things that
she's like to spend that money on.
Mr. Andrews: I'li tell you where the hang-up is on this and that is that they probably
could not find anyway of getting out from underneath giving some kind of reasonable
assurance that nothing would happen to that turf. Now, Andrew Crouch and Mr. Jennings,
and others are going to Kansas City on the I7th or 18th to watch that whole process
of that new protective cover that they are putting down for an event that they are
having on their field.
Mayor !k r: one thing use to be we can go see that whenever
we Sc't there, nc they do that in Houston?
Mr. Andrews: NO, they take it up again. This is by contract.
Mr. f'lt.ii &z-: They got a big for it, They just take it up and they have a
floor underneath of it,
MAY 81975
M 1F,, Andrews: this i$ a special *:over that ttet'`'t•t s°t%ti i•A' 1tig lot to no 4145tait
on that deal.
Mt pluitr: Idby do you have to send three people?
Mr Andrewst t at not sending three people.
Mt. Plummet: You said Andy Crouch, Bob Jennings, and tsotneotie else.
Mayor retre: How about Mora Swan? Where is Nora?
Mr, Plummer: Why three people ? You don't trust them?
Mr, Andrews: No, they've all have been very much, involved in this whole turf which
firwitti
Mr. Plummer: Mr, Mayor, l am still getting calls from Merrie Christmas Park. They
say that the situation is no better and the people are not leaving at 10:00. 'they've
got a rumor that there going to be a comfort station put in and they said if you got
that kind of money, they would like to see a fence around so that at 10:00 o'clock
the place can be closed and they can get some peace and quite . Which they have
not had for the past 10 yearn.'
Mr. Andrews: We have installed the permanent watch over that area.
Mr. Plummer And your permanent watch isn't working. Develop a cost and let us
know how much it would cost.
Mr. Andrews Who says it not working?
Mr. Plummer: I can't remember the girl's name, but she is crippled and her mother
that live across the street.
Mr. Andrews: All right.
That's the "Faust's:
Mr. Plummer: Ibelieve you are correct.
Mr. Andrews: I've personally gone to their homes several times on this matter
and I am thoroughly acquainted with it, but we've got a permanent watch now. I will
call them personally to find out what the problem is. ( Mr. Plummer- Ok.)
MAY 8 - 1975
56, MOTION OF INTENT TO Bi-CENTENNIAL PARK- JANUARY 1, 1976
DEDICATE
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, somebody is going around spreading a nasty rumor. That in
fact we will dedicate Bicentennial Park on January the lst, 1976. Whether it's finish-
ed or not we will have a dedication. I will make a motion to that effect, so thatwe
all of these other rumors that says it's going to be March, April, May, and
June
Mayor Terre: Well, Lester Johnson in the Chamber ----
Mr. Plummer: Well, let's do it on a official
Mrs. Gordon: See if somethingiRappening there. I don't see anything happening.
Mayor Nerre: All they are doing is moving dirt from one side to the other and giving
hall of it to Mr. 'Ball.
Mr. Plummer: Yea: We're sure going to look nice in the paper on January 1, 1976.
All right, 1'13 make a motion that we dedicate it.
Mr#. I.et's make a motion that we want to dedicate it.
Mayor h.rrc No, that we will dedicate it.
Mr. P1:r,- tr: No, we will dedicate it to Durrell Stone pledged,
MAY 8
1575
Mayor 'etre: That s 'tight. Right on top of that pile+
The foi1t ing motiofi was introduced by CO IThiSSiohet Piu er, who
t►oved its adoption;
MOTION NO. /5-.470
A MOTION OF INTENT TO DEDICATE BICENT-
ENNIAL PARK, WHETHER COMPLETED OR NOT,
ON JANUARY 1, 1976.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion vas passed
and adopted by thefollowingMotet
AYES Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J.L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES None.
MAY 8 -1975
57, GO ON RECORD TO REQUEST: DEVELOPERS OF CLAUGHTON ISLAND
TO DEDICATE THEIR PROJECT ON
JANUARY 2. 1976
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, the Manager spoke to me and I think he has an excellent
idea that this Commission go if it is humanly possible asking the develop-
ers of Claughton Island to dedicate or have a ground breaking on the 2nd day of
January, 1976 for the Bicentennial to kick off the City of Miami. I will offer
that in. the form of a resolution.
Mayor Ferre: Well, I don't follow. Why should that be the first that we are
going to
Mr. Andrews: No, let them carry out their own ceremony on the ---
Mr. Plummer:
On the island for some kind of a dedication on the 2nd day of January.
Mayor Ferre: No, but what I -am telling you. You just gave me a great idea,why don't
we spend a week in January dedicating one project after another for seven (7) days in
a row.
Mr. Plummer: All right. Fine. That's what I'm trying to line up. I got one for the
first. Now, here's one for the 2nd
Mayor Ferre: What I'm trying to tell you is that I don't think that Claughton Island
ought to be the first thing we celebrate on the Bicentennial.
Mr. Plummer: We are going to do the park
first.
Mayor Ferre: You got to be kidding, you are not going to get anybody out on. the lst
day of .January.
Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr. Mayor, this Commission went on record before to start off the
Bicentennial Celebration on the lst day of Janaury with a dedication of Bicentennial
Park,
Mayor Ferre: That's the Orange Bowl. Football game and the whole--- you think
people are going to go to that? All right,
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MAY 8-
197 5
MAY s
IEF DtS iSSioN TEST SODIUM VAPORt? PROGRAM
LIGHTS ARt uND COMM1SS4ONtRS
HOMES FILING OF PETITION Ei'Cr
LIGHTON hALL FIELD iLSHENANDOAH PARK
Mt‘ PlullMett Let me announce to you that the Sister City is holdtrig a heetir►g
tdaartoW night to 'ad," for the gbgota ttip Qhith will be Julie 28th until July 6th.
The toot is $150.604
Mayer Ferret, Bow ate you going to be here July 6th?
July 4th for the Bicentennial.
Mr. Plummer:
1
I'tn not going to be here for
Mayor Ferre: Chi That's right. That's "75".
Mr. Plummer: They ate going to two cities. They are going to M and to
Bogota. t would like to ask at this time 2 years ago, the people of this city
passed by referendum 'that this city would self insure itself. What is the position
now that we are listening to the voters? What is the statue of making our city self-
insured?
Mr. Andrews: We are about four away from presenting the proposal on complete insurance
Self insurance program beginning which is about $500,000.00 worth of insurance.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor,,I have two other things. As we requested at this Commission
level about three months ago that the test lights be put up around the individual
,Commissioner's houses. I have here a petition which was taken up by not a friend,
but a acquaintance in my neighborhood of all of the people requesting that the lights
be put in the whole sub -division. And I surrender this to the clerkforthe record.
Mayor Ferre: You know- I got news for you "Turkey". That was the worst thing that
we did, because I knew that was going to happen. The moment you put those lights
around these Commissioner's homes. Everybody wants them right away.
Mr. Plummer: Sure. No, you are not completely right. But you are almost right.
The final thing. Mr. Mayor we have had a request. We've promised and promised,
and promised to improve (excuse), to put lights on the ball field at Shenandoah Park.
Here is a park that is utilizing them. Mr. Manager came back today and said; for the
football and baseball diamond at $60,000.00. He doesn't have the money. NOw, he is
hoping that he can investigate to you city forces to do it. I would like to just be
able to go back to these people and give them some target date.
Mayor Ferre: We had the Rolling Stones. You' could of had it.
Mr. Plummer: We could've had twice. Paul, what can I go back and look to these
to tell them? Rose this is on the Shenandoah light.
Mr. Andrews: Let me supply you with --- rather than just give you a quick answer.
And then be in trouble. Let me supply you with that information within the next day
or so.
Mr. Plummer: That'll be fine. Thank you.
ADJOURNMENT
RNMENT
There being no further business to come before the City Commission,
on motion duly made and seconded, the meeting was adjourned at:
Clock P. M.
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ITEM NO. DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION
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1 COMMISSION AGENDA AND CITY CLERK REPORT
COMMISSION APPOINTING THREE (3) MEMBERS TO THE CITY
OF MIAMI COMMERCIAL BLOOD DONORS BOARD.
ACCEPTING THE COMPLETED WORK PERFORMED BY MARKS
BROTHERS COMPANY AT A TOTAL COST OF $20,727.55
ACCEPTING THE COMPLETED WORK PERFORMED BY THE POOLE
AND KENT CO. AT A TOTAL COST OF $24,500.00
ACCEPTING THE COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION OF INTERCOUNTY
CONSTRUCTION CORPORATION FOR THE LEJEUNE GARDENS SANI-
TARY SEWER IMPROVEMENT ST-5315 C
ORDERING S.W. 8 AVENUE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT SK-4387
RESCINDING RESOLUTION NO. 75-227
RESCINDING RESOLUTION NO. 75-228
ACCEPTING THE DEED FROM DADE COUNTY, CONVEYING TO THE
CITY OF MIAMI THE TRIANGULAR PIECE OF LAND APPROXIMATE-
LY 1,800 SQUARE FEET LOCATED AT N.E. 2ND AVENUE AND
36TH STREET.
10 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREE-
MENT WITH VERONICA HUINGS FOR.THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE
CONCESSION RIGHTS AT ELIZABETH VIRRICK PARK AND POOL.
11
ESTABLISHING THE OFFICIAL CITY, OF MIAMI POLICY REGARD-
ING THE METROPOLITAN DADE COUNTY TRANSIT IMPROVEMENT
PROGRAM.
12 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION
TO THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, LAW EN-
FORCEMENT ASSISTANCE ADMINISTRATION, FOR DISCRETIONARY
FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $247,500.00 WITH A CITY CASH
MATCH OF $27',500.00
13 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND ENTER
INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO
14 APPROVING A ONE (1) YEAR EXTENSION OF EMPLOYMENT PAST
THE AGE OF SEVENTY (70) FOR GEORGE J, SHELDON.
15 AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO PAY TO EDDIE
BUNYAN, JR., WITHOUT THE ADMISSION OF LIABILITY, THE
SUM OF $1500,00 IN FULL AND COMPLETE SETTLEMENT OF
THEIR HIS CLAIM AGAINST THE CITY OF MIAMI,
16 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO PURCHASE BY NEGOTIA-
TION PARCEL NO, 7096-U OF THE CITY OF MIAMI PROJECT 3,
MIAMI RIVERFRONT DEVELOPMENT, AS DESCRIBED HEREIN, FOR
THE SUM OF $122,000,00
MEETING DACE:
M 1975
COMMISSION
ACTION
R-75--432
R-75-435
R-75-436
R-75-437
R-75-438
R-75-439
R-75-439A
R-75-440
R-75-441
R-75-442
R-75-445
R-75-447
R-75-449
R-75-450
R-75-451
RETRIEVAL'
_CODE_NO....
0058
75-432
75--435
45-436
75-437`
75-438
75-439
75-439A
75-440
75-441
75-442
75-445
75-447
75-449
75-450
75-451
i'
ENTINDEX
lIM NO. DOOUMCNT IDENTIFICATION
1ETRt EVAI
1
17 GRANTING FREE USE OP TIIE ORANGE BOWL STADIUM TO THE
MIAMI DOLPHINS CHARITY INTRA-SQUAD GAME ON AUGUST
1ST OR 2ND 1975,
18 ACCEPTING THE BID RECEIVED FROM BISCAYNE CONSTRUCTION
INC. IN THE AMOUNT OF $29,887.00 FOR THE'ORANGE BOWL
ROLL UP DOOR REPLACEMENT-1975
19 ACCEPTING THE BIDS RECEIVED FROM DeBRA TURF AND CAR -
DEN SUPPLY AT A COST OF $7,834.00
20 ACCEPTING THE BID OF MEDTRONIC SALES, INC. FOR TWO
(2) LIFE PAK 4 DEFIBRILLATORS, AND ACCESSORIES AT A
COST OF $7,981.50 FOR USE BY THE RESCUE DIVISION.
21 ACCEPTING THE BID OF ELECTRIC POWER & SERVICE, INC.
22 ACCEPTING THE BID OF WEATHERTROL MAINTENANCE CORP. IN
THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF $6,950
23 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT
WITH'AMERICAN INFORMATION-CORPORATION/STEWART-WARNER
FOR THE INSTALLATION AND OPERATION OF A SCOREBOARD
FACILITY FOR THE ORANGE BOWL STADIUM
24 AUTHORIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO VOLUNTARILY DISMISS
PARCELL NO. 7095-7 FROM THE AFRICAN SQUARE PARK PRO-
JECT.
25 AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO ACCEPT THE
SUM OF $600.00 IN FULL AND COMPLETE SETTLEMENT IN
FULL AND COMPLETE SETTLEMENT IN THE CLAIW OF THE CITY
OF MIAMI VERSUS JAMES BRUCE SMITH.
26 AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO ACCEPT THE
SUM OF $590.00 IN FULL AND COMPLETE SETTLEMENT IN
THE CLAIM OF THE CITY OF MIAMI VERSUS RONALD L.
COMITO AND MAIN INSURANCE COMPANY.
27 ALLOCATING FROM THE SPECIAL REIMBURSEMENT
FUNDS WHEN RECEIVED' BY THE CITY UNDER FEDE-
RAL PUBLIC LAW 92-500; $50,000.00 TO BE
PLACED IN THE SPECIAL FUND ESTABLISHED FOR
THE PURCHASE OF MATERIALS AND CONTRACTUAL
SERVICES.
28 ALLOCATING THE SUM OF $35,000,00 WHEN RE
CEIVED BY THE CITY FROM SPECIAL REIMBURSE-
MENT FUNDS AUTHORIZED BY FEDERAL PUBLIC LAW
92-500
29 ALLOCATING THE SUM OF $25,000,00 WHEN RE-
CEIVED BY THE CITY FROM SPECIAL REIMBURSE-
MENT FUNDS AUTHORIZED BY THE FEDERAL PUBLIC
LAW-92-500
30 ALLOCATING THE SUM OF $15,000.00 WHEN RE-
CEIVED BY THE CITY FROM SPECIAL REIMBURSE-
DENT FUNDS AUTHORIZED BY FEDERAL PUELJC LAW
92-500
R•75=452
R-75-453
R-75-454
R-75-455
R-75-456
R-75-457
R-75-458
R-75-459
R-75-460
R-75-461
R-75-462
R-75-463
R-75-464
R-75r465
75-452
75-453
75-454
75-455
75-456
75-457
75-458
75-459
75-460
75-461
75-462
75-463
75-464
75-465
Ri1�►1.
31 1DENTIPYINC SERVICES RENDERED SPECIFICALDY
POR THE BENEFIT OE THE PROPERTY OR RESIDENTS
IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS AND FINANCED PROM
COUNTY=WIDE REVENUES.'