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SUBJECT
CONFIRM ASSESSMENT ROLL, N.W. 51 TERRACE ALLEY HIGHWAY
IMPROVEMENT H-4371.
ORDINANCE AMENDMENT - ORDINANCE NO. 6871, ARTICLE XIV-1
SPECIAL COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL C-2A DISTRICT
MISCELLANEOUS DISCUSSION ITEMS:
1. RAPID TRANSIT
2. MINORITY BANK DEPOSI
3. BIKE PATHS-S. BAYSI-lO
4. PARKING LOT LIGHTING
SUBSTANCE ABUSE FACILITIES:
1. Definitions
2. Add new chapter forty-three
3. Include as conditional use Article VI-R2
4. Include as conditional use Article VIII
5. Permitted use - C-1 Districts
ORDINANCE AMENDMENT - ORDINANCE NO. 6871, ARTICLE VII-1
(LOW DENSITY APARTMENT) R-3A DISTRICT SECTION 11 (1) -
SITE PLAN APPROVAL
PROPOSED R-CC DISTRICT AND FORMULATION OF PROCEDURES
USED IN APPLYING THE DISTRICT TO SPECIFIED PROPERTIES.
PUBLIC HEARING - STOP SIGNS ON ALATKA LOCATED AT NOC-A-
TEE AND MICANOPY.
CHANGE ZONING CLASSIFICATION LOTS 5,6,19,20, BLOCK 1,
CHARLES H. FROW SUB - 3150 OAK AVENUE R-1 TO P-R.
AMEND ORDINANCE NO. 7991 - SEC. 39-6 OF CHAPTER 39 OF
THE CODE REDUCING MINIMUM CHARGE FOR USE OF DINNER KEY
EXPOSITION BUILDING.
AMEND APPROPRIATIONS ORDINANCE - APPROPRIATE $10,000.00
FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUES FOR PROGRAMS FOR THE HANDICAPPE
AMEND APPROPRIATIONS ORDINANCE -APPROPRIATE $55,000.00
TO COVER INCREASE IN BENEFIT PAYMENTS FROM THE PENSION
FUND TO BE PAID TO THE RETIREES OF THE CITY OF MIAMI.
APPOINT VICE MAYOR PLUMMER AND COMMISSIONER GORDON AS
MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF MIAMI RETIREMENT BOARD FOR THE
FIRE AND POLICE SYSTEM.
DISCUSSION ITEM: COMMISSIONER GIBSON REQUESTS FOR
REPORT FROM MONEY MANAGERS OF PENSION FUND AND FURTHER
QUESTIONS OF "SPOUSE" DEFINITION.
PROCLAMATIONS, PLAQUES, CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION.
PERSONAL APPEARANCE OF MR. DOLAN - CHANGE OF ZONING
CLASSIFICATION FROM R-1 TO P-R.
SIX-MONTH EXTENSION CONDITIONAL USE TRACTS 1 & 2,
TENTATIVE PLAT 896 - RIVER COVE.
ORDERING RESOLUTION WEST GRAP1LAND SANITARY SEWER
IMPROVEMENT SR-5387-C.
ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK S.W. 27TH AVENUE PAVING PROJECT
1974.
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ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK, TRAIL VIEW HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT
H-4366 STORM SEWER PORTION.
ACCEPT HIGHWAY RIGHT OF WAY DEED - NATIONAL PARKINSON
FOUNDATION.
ACCEPT PLAT ENTITLED -LINDSLEY-ALLAPATTAH SUBDIVISION.
ONE-YEAR EXTENSION OF EMPLOYMErT-JUAN PEREZ, CUSTODIAN
FOREMAN PUBLIC FACILITIES DEPARTMENT.
RATIFY ACTION OF THE CITY MANAGER -AGREEMENT, MANPOWER
PLANNING COUNCIL OF DADE AND MONROE COUNTIES TEMPORARY
PUBLIC SERVICE JOB PROGRAM.
AUTHORIZE AGREEMENT - BALTIMORE BASEBALL CLUB, INC. FOR
USE OF MIAMI BASEBALL STADIUM FOR SPRING TRAINING.
REAPPOINTING ROSE GORDON AS CITY COMMISSION REPRESENT-
ATIVE TO COMMUNITY ACTION ADMINISTERING BOARD.
SET TIME AND DATE FOR ANNUAL PUBLIC HEARING ON APPLICAT-
IONS FOR TRANSFER OF CERTIFICATES OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE
AND NECESSITY.
RETAIN LOUIS LAUREDO AS ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TO THE
MAYOR FOR ONE YEAR AT $1.00 PER YEAR.
PUBLIC HEARING - CITY OF MIAMI 1974-75 APPLICATION FOR
HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ACT OF 1974,
MOTION OF INTENT TO MAKE FUNDS AVAILABLE: $50,000 FOR
CULMER PROJECT IN THE OVERTOWN AREA OF THE CITY HOUSING
AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ACT OF 1974.
SUBMIT GRANT APPLICATION, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.
IMPLEMENT PROPOSAL: UNIVERSITY OF THE STREETS USE OF
AREA RESIDENTS FOR PURPOSE OF ADDRESSING CRIMES AND TO
FUND ACTIVITY TO OCTOBER 1, 1975.
REQUEST MEETING WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF METRO H.U.D.
PROGRAM TO EXPLAIN WHY PROPERTY OWNED BY H.U.D. IS
BEING ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE.
PERSONAL APPEARANCE: DR. ROBERT J. MENNIS REGARDING
PROPOSED SODIUM VAPOR LIGHTS IN KENNEDY PARK.
REQUEST CITY MANAGER TO SUBMIT FACTS FOR POSSIBLE
ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY AT 22ND AVENUE AND SOUTH DIXIE
HIGHWAY.
REQUEST CITY MANAGER TO CONDUCT SURVEY - KEY PROPERTIES
ADJACENT TO ARTERIAL STREETS IN THE CITY FOR POSSIBLE
PURCHASE FOR OPEN SPACE DEVELOPMENT.
PERSONAL APPEARANCE OF GEORGE MIHALY, REQUEST FOR
WAIVER OF FEES FOR SUNDAY MORNING SOFTBALL LEAGUE
GRAPELAND HEIGHTS WEST END PARKS,
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37. MISCELLANEOUS DISCUSSION (1) PROVISIONS FOR HANDICAPPED;
(2) BOY SCOUTS JAMBOREE,
38(A). MINORITY BANKS - CITY DEPOSITS.
38(8).
AUTHORIZE $7,500 CONTRIBUTION TO CHARLES IVES CENTENNIAL
FESTIVAL
39. DISCUSSION OF $45,000 NATIONAL ENDOWMENT OF THE ARTS
GRANT ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR INTERAMA - DECLARE INTENT-
ION TO PROVIDE MATCHING FUNDS FOR BICENTENNIAL PARK.
40. $2,500 GIFTFROM ANDRES SEGOVIA AND MOTION TO SEND THANKc
41. RAPID TRANSIT, BRIEF DISCUSSION
42. BI-CENTENNIAL PARK DISCUSSION OF CENTER LANES OF
BISCAYNE BOULEVARD RE -DESIGN.
43. PERSONAL APPEARANCE OF WELLINGTON ROLLE REGARDING
RAPID TRANSIT.
44. ENFORCEMENT OF REGULATIONS OF TAXICABS OPERATING OUT OF
MIAMI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.
45. TRANSFER $6,000 DEMOLITION OF BUILDING AT 1353 N.W. 1st
STREET.
46. AWARD BIDS - HEAVY EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT - NEW AND ADDIT
IONAL VEHICLES.
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AWARD BIDS - 50 LITTER RECEPTACLES.
48. PRIORITIES OF ITEMS TO BE PRESENTED 1975 FLORIDA LEGIS-
LATURE OPPOSING ANY LEGISLATION THAT WOULD HARM PRESENT
EXISTING FINANCIAL STRUCTURE OF THE CITY OF MIAMI.
49. ENJOIN INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS,
INC. VIOLATING CITY ORDINANCES AT PREMISES: 4001 KUMQUAT
AVENUE ENJOINING USE OF SAID PROPERTY AS NUISANCE.
50. CLAIM SETTLEMENT - MARY B. CLAY
51. RETAIN LAW FIRM OF PETTIGREW AND BAILEY TO RESEARCH
LEGAL HISTORY AND TITLE OF THE BALL POINT PROPERTY AND
RENDER REPORTS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR TRANSMISSION TO
THE CITY COMMISSION.
52. PERMIT FREE USE OF WATSON ISLAND, SECOND ANNUAL FIESTA
FOR MIGRANT FARM WORKERS, APRIL 27, 1975.
53. CONDOLENCES - DEATH OF JACK SILVERMAN
54. APPOINTMENTS TO COMMITTEE ON CONCEPTUAL TRANSPORATION
PLAN IMPLEMENTATION "MASS TRANSIT"
55. ALLOCATE $35,000 FOR CREATION OF A MINI -PARK AT 1444
S.W. 8 STREET.
56. AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER TO REIMBURSE PEDIATRIC CARE
CENTER FOR FEE PAID FOR USE OF MIAMI BASEBALL, STADIUM —
NONPROFIT CONCERT SUBJECT TO COSTS, HELD FEB, 7, 1975,
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CONDOLENCES - DEATH OF THOMAS WASMUTH, CHAIRMAN OF
THE BOARD OF BURDINES
AUTHORIZE MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AGREEMENT WITH MIAMI
OUTBOARD CLUB TO EXTEND PIERS 53' SUBJECT TO CONDITION.
AMUSEMENT RIDES PERMIT 0 ST. MARY°S CATHEDRAL SCHOOL
MARCH 21 THRU MARCH 23, 1975.
SET SPECIAL COMMISSION MEETING ON APRIL 24 AT 3:n0 P.M.
TO REVIEW ARCHITECTURAL ?ROPOSALS FOR ORANGE BOWL
IMPROVEMENTS.
INTERAMA DISCUSSION, DIRECT CITY MANAGER FND CITY
ATTORNEY TO APPEAR BEFORE INTERAMA AUTHORITY TO ACCEPT
EXISTING OBLIGATION TO THE CITY OR USE WHATEVER LEGAL
MEANS NECESSARY - ALTERNATIVE.
ADJOURNMENT.
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MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING CF THE
CITY CO MISSION OF MIAMI, FLORIDA
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On the 12th day of March, the City Commiss__oh of Miami, Florida met at
its regular meeting place in the City Hall, 3500 Pan American Drive, Miami,
Florida in regular session
The meeting was called to order at 9:08 O'clock by Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
with the following members of the Commission found to be present:
COMMISSIONER MANOLO REBOSO
COMMISSIONER ROSE GORDON
COMMISSIONER (REV.) THEODORE GIBSON
VICE MAYOR J, L. PLU! MER, JR.
MAV R MAURICE A. FERRE
ALSO PRESENT:
P. W. ANDREWS, CITY MANAGER
A. 1'. CROUCH, ASSISTANT CITY MAt AGER
JOHN S. LLOYD, CITY ATTORNEY
H D. SOUTHERN, CITY CLERK
RALPH G. ONGIE, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK
An invocation was delivered by Reverend Gibson who then led those present
in a pledge of allegiance to the flag.
A motion to waive the reading of the minutes was introduced and seconded
and was passed unanimously.
1, CONFIRM ASSESSMENT ROLL--N. W. 51 TERRACE ALLEY HI -WAY IMP.
H-4371
Mayor Ferre announced that the Commission was now ready to hear objections
to confirming assessment roll for construction of N.W. 51 Terrace Alley high-
way improvement H-4371.
NO OBJECTORS APPEARED.
The following resolution was introduced by Mr. Plummer, who moved its
adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-223
A RESOLUTION CONFIRMING ASSESSMENT ROLL FOR CONSTRUCTION OF
N.W. 51 TERRACE ALLEY HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT H-4371 IN N.W. 51
TERRACE ALLEY HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT Hi-4371, ANI) RE-
MOVING ALL PENDING LIENS FOR THIS IMPROVEMENT NOT CERTIFIED
HEREBY.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk)
Upon being seconded by Rev. Gibson the resolution was passed and adopted
by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Girson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A, Ferre NOES; None. "DOCUMENT "DOCUMENTn������ INDEX
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ITEM NO. /
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M.',' 1 1975
2, ORt,AMU, ARTICLE XIV-1 - SPLCIAL COMMUNITY C01MERCIAL C-"i1 j)1Si
NEW ZONING DISTRICTS- SIGNS IN C2A DtStRICT5-CHANGING ZONING
CLASSIFICATIONS ON CERTA:.N PROPERTIES
Mr. George Acton: Mr. Mayor, members of the Commission, this is one of the
ordinances that comes to you as the result of the Coconut Grove Planning Study.
If the Commission remembers the reason for the Coconut Grove Study traces back
a couple of years when the Commission was concerned with the preservation of
the existing character of tt.e village center district. This ordinance is in
response to that particular concern; it does create a number of new regulations
that will preserve the character and also encourage the development of additional
retail areas in the village center. It places a 4 story height limit on develp=
ment in the village center. It calls for certain streets to be pedestrian streets
and that these streets be developed on a mandatory basis as retail basically use
streets. It also encourages mixed use. It has a series of bonus incentives that
cover such things as open space, the creation of performing arts theatres and
other types of incentives that hopefully will create vitality in the village
center. This concludes my brief presentation. We have worked with nnmberous
organizations, private groups plus the individual property owners, and business
owners in the vill,iye center and I think we've reached concurrence with this
ordinance a:; presented to the Commission.
Mr. Plummer: Rose, I'm not making a motion, I just have for the record; 1
have to put this on it; Mr. Mayor, even though I haven't had the time this morning
to receive the memo which I received this morning, I want the record to reflect
that the notices that were sent out for the Planning Bonrd hearing in the great
deal were in error. The streets were misidentified, locations were misidentified
and the provision for people of being in favor or opposed which is the normal
card that is sent out made no provision whatsoever for saying that you were in
favor of certain parcels, opposed to certain parcels. It just said you favor
the whole plan or you don't. It did not indicate on there other than the areas
that were ascribed by heavy black pen of what changes of zoning except that this
was up for a change of zoning; didn't say what it was being ascribed from or
to. Now, Mr. Manager, I sent you a memo. This is the answer and I haven't had
time to read it. Let me read it into the record, maybe that's the best way to
do it. This is a memo dated March loth from the City Manager to myself: Your
memo of February 19th, 1975 expressed concern with the maps sent to the citizens
affected by the proposed change of zoning in the Coconut Grove Study area. You
further requested that the correct map be sent out prior to the matter being
heard before the City Commission. Attached are new maps of the areas involved
showing the current proposed zoning specifically recommended. These maps, phase
I and I1 will be sent to each property owner within 375 feet of each approximated
10 days before the matters are scheduled for hearing before the City Commission.
These maps will also be published in the Village Post prior to the hearing.
Now here the hearing is today:
Mr. Simpson: No. Mr. Plummer, the error in the map was relating to items
that will come before the City Commission on March 25th and April loth. The
error in the map has no relation to this public hearing - it's a different
item all together. The maps have been corrected, I have approval of the Village
Post to print them, they say free of charge because it was a.s much their error as
it was the administration's.
Mr. Plummer; All right Dave, let me make the other two points. The other paints,
are there provisions being made that people who sent back their reply which I. nor-
mally say is opposed or unopposed, for them to specify certain given arc.rs rather
than the total map?
Mr. Simpson: They can put this into their returns. Normally we do not send out
a return requesting comment at the Commission level. This is done at the board
level. You must realize that the Planning Department proposal under Phase I and
Phase II takes the entire area from 27th Avenue west to the city limit: from
down in. south Grove to Dixie Highway.
Mr. Plummer; I fully understand that, Dave. But what I'm also understanding,
that the people who came to me about it were, by the way in favor of the plan,
but they felt that the way it was being presented to the people was unfair, that
they couldn't specify on a given piece of property. It was either we oppose
the entire package or we're in favor of the other package. There was no provis-
ion other than the three blank lines at the bottom that said "Other:" There
was no provisions for them to specify on a given piece of property.
Mr, Simpson; They could do that either in writing to the Planning Department
who
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could evaluate their requests or they could appear at the Meeting which Many
Many of them did to speak to a specific parcel and the Planning Advisory Board
and this Commission has the right to make a determination based upon their
presentation. I think that %.-ould be a proper way.
Mr. Plummer: So then I understand from you that the three points that I out,, -
lined in the memo to the Manager have been clarified, they have been corrected
and they will be in the hands of the owners ten days prior to the meeting.
Mr. Simpson: Yes► sir. We're prepared to send out over 800 pieces of mail
tomorrow as soon as we get the timing...
Mr. Plummer: It is corrected mail?
Mr, Simpson: It is corrected mail.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Mayor, whenever you're ready for a motion I'd like to make it
but there may be some people here who want to speak to this item.
Mayor Ferre: Is there anybody in the public who wants to address the Commission
on this item 4(A), C- A district in Cco ut. Grove and other. areas? Anything else?
Mr. Thomas Mc Glyn: My name is Thomas Mc Glyn, 1872 S. Bayshore Lane; I'm president
of the Bayshore Homeowners Association. A11 I went to say is that I am one of ten
president of 10 different organizations that started 18 months ago meeting with
the Planning Advisory Board, Planning Department rather on this whole situation and
of course we had a lot of meetings. So I just wanted to inform you that we're
all in favor of it and I'm sure that we represent the overwhelming consensus of
all of Coconut Grove.
Mayor Ferre: Thank you very much, Mr. Mc Glyn. Is there anyone else who wants
to make a statement at this time? If not, Mrs. Godon.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Mayor, I feel this is a very important day in the history of
the City of Miami because we a:7e really growing up and we are really becoming
sophisticated in planning for the future. And today when we pass this ordinance
amendment we will have culminated what has been almost a two year project study
which began when the character of the village seemed to be threatened about two
years ago and we asked our Planning Department to come up, we challenged them to
come up with some vehicles for controls and to retain the low rise unique character.
So therefore, what we are about to do today as I said before is this very import-
ant step is the first step in a series of steps that will have to he taken to
totally revitalize and totally plan for our future to be a better and a more
beautiful city than it is now. So I therefore move item#4(a).
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
MIAMI, FLORIDA, TO INCLUDE A NEW ZONING DIST-
RICT, ARTICLE XIV-1, SPECIAL COMMUNITY COMMER-
CIAL - C-2A DISTRICT, PROVIDING FOR INTENT,
USES, PEDESTRIAN STREET, AREA, YARDS, HEIGHT,
FLOOR AREA RATIO, FLOOR AREA PREMIUMS, PARKING,
AND SITE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL, AS
HEREINAFTER SET FORTH; REPEALING ALL ORDIN-
ANCES, CODE SECTIONS, OR PARTS THEREOF IN CON-
FLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION.
Was introduced by Commissioner Gordon and seconded by Commissitute:
Plummer and passed on its first reading by title by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None,
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City Com.ssion
and to the public.
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AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINACE OF THE CITY OF
MIAMI, FLORIDA, BY ADDING ANEW SUBSECTION 6,
TO ARTICLE XXIV SIGNS, REPEALING ALL ORDIN-
ANCES, CODE SECTIONS, OR PARTS THEREOF IN CON..
FLICT INSOFAR AS THEY ARE IN CONFLICT; AND
CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION.
Was introduced by Commissioner Gordon and seconded by Commissioner
Plummer and passed on its first reading by title by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City Commission
and to the public.
Mrs. Gordon: On 4(C), Mr. Acton, you have a map you can put up on the wall
that would delineate a little more clearly the area that we had some discus-
sion some time back with regard - if you'll point to it:, Mr. Simpson - with
regard to the R-C Section, there was some discussion as to whether that ought
to be included in the business district.
Mr. Acton: That is not included, Commissioner Gordon.
Mrs. Gordon: It's not. Ok, fine. I just wanted to clarify that because in
the wording here it says, in the ordinance wording it says the R-c, C-2, C-4,
so on.
Mr. Acton: I understand. It is the R-C that is 27th Avenue down near Bayshore.
It's all of that R-C district near Bayshore on 27th Avenue. That was excluded
from the C-2A district as not being a part of the village commercial center
itself.
Mr. Plummer: We excluded that right?
Mr. Acton: That's right, the Commission excluded that...
Mr. Plummer: It was almost all built anyhow.
Mrs. Gordon: Yes, but in the wording of the ordinance it, what I see before me,
it refers to R-C and I want to know which R-C we're changing to C-2A specifically.
Mr. Acton: It's probably a portion of the Ryder property that's being discussed.
Mr. Jack Luft: There is no R-C zoning be changed to C-2A. There is some R-2
zoning.
Mrs. Gordon: All right, I call your attention to some wording in the ordinance.
It refers to R-C inclusion and if there is none of course it isn't going to
change. But if on the other hand it does refer to it.
Mr. Luft: There is no R-C being changed to C-2A.
Mrs. Gordon: Then shouldn't that be eliminated from the ordinance, Mr. Lloyd?
Mr, Lloyd: Yes, that's R-C, residential office....
Mrs, Gordon: And there isn't any being changed so shouldn't that be eliminated
from the ordinance? If there isn't any then,.
Mr, Lloyd; yes, you're right; that should be stricken.
Mrs. Gordon; All right, with that stricken, I so move.
Mr, Lloyd; R-C, residential office should be taken out.
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AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF
MIAMI, BY CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION
FROM R-2 (TWO-FAMtLY), C-2(COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL)
TO C-2 (COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL) AND C-4 (GENERAL
COMMERCIAL) TO C-2A (SPECIAL COMMUNITY COMMER-
CIAL) FOR THE AREAS OF THE CENTRAL GROVE DIST-
RICT AS SHOWN ON THE MAP ATTACHED HERETO AS
EXHIBIT "A" AND MADE A PART HEREOF BY MAKING THE
NECESSARY CHANGES IN THE ZONING DISTRICT MAP,
MADE A PART OF SAID ORDINANCE NO. 6871 BY REF-
ERENCE AND DESCRIPTION IN ARTICLE III, SECTION
2 THEREOF; REPEALING AL', ORDINANCES, CODE SECT-
IONS OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT, INSOFAR AS
THEY ARE IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVER-
ABILITY PROVISION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECT-
IVE DATE.
Was introduced by Commissioner Gordon and seconded by Commissioner
Plummer and passed on its first reading by title by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Ro3e Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the pub'.ic record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City Commission
and to the public.
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4, PARKING LOT LIGHTING DOWNTO'vN
Mayor Ferre: Now ladies and g?ntlemen, it's not on the agenda but this
afternoon I've asked the City Manager to bring up the very important discus-
sion of Rapid Transit. Now we've had a series of hearings, three, in different
parts of the City of Miami to listen to the public's comments. The administrat-
ion, I think has done a tremendous job in coordinating and especially in looking
at the critique to find what is really best for the City of Miami. And I think
since public hearings are tonight for Metropolitan Dade County and as you know
that they have to make final conclusions by the end of the month so that. they
can be in a position to apply for the transit, for rapid transit funds. And
you may have read in the newspapers several comments by Dr. Dyer and others
that they are waiting for the City of Miami's official position on several very
important items such as the path along Douglas Road, some of the key items in
downtown, the Little Havana area. So I would hope, Mr. Manager, that we would
have at least one hour to discuss these things this afternoon.
MISCELLANEOUS DISCUSSION ITEMS:
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, we have a memo from the Manager. Unfortunately it was
not delivered until today. I think this ought to be involved in the thinking
because he has laid out here 5 pages of what he feels was taken from the hear-
ings.
Mayor Ferre: That's why I'm telling you now so that you'll have enough time
maybe during lunch to glance over that 5 page memo and be prepared this after-
noon. I would like Dr. Dyer to be here and I asked the City attorney, r'm
sure you haven't had enough time but I sent you a letter that 1 wrotr you a
lady and I sent you a copy of the brochur that was sent out in 107; wht'rr it
specifically said a rubber tire rapid transit system. And I asked you your
legal opinion as to whether or not that creates a problem or whether or not;
I'm going to ask Dr. Dyer that this afternoon and I want you to be prepared
for it.
Mr, Lloyd: Will you and I be able to discuss that?
Mayor Ferre; Yes. Very simply, Metropolitan Dade County passed out a brochure
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ih the summer of 1972 and ih the brochure it describes a rapid transit
system and in it it specifically says "A rubber tired rapid transit system"
and I'm bring out the question as to whether or not they may not be stuck
with that and what the legal ramifications are.
Mrs, Gordon: That's a very interesting point, I noticed your memorandum.
Yes, we got copies and that is very intersting.
Mayor Ferre: Now the other thing that I wanted...
Mr. Plummer: Mr, Mayor, I would like if you want to take a few minutes to
discuss something...
Mayor Ferre: Well, J. L., let me finish with the other thing that I .anted
to bring out and. Mr. Andrews, we keep having the recurrence, and I'm glad
Mr. Bailey is here because I've had several of these minority banks come to
see me protesting whether or not it is fair that they have to wait in line
for 5 years. It occured to me that I think they could make some trouble for
us in the federal funding. I'm not saying that we should turn around and
flip flop for them just because they happened to come along now. But on
the other hand I think we really have some kind of an obligation to do some-
thing. Now it occured to me and I would like for you to schedule this for
discussion this afternoon; that perhaps what we ought to do with it is split
part or some of the funds so that we have two rotation lists. One is the
regular banks that we rotate every year and the other one would be those
sho under the federal guidelines of a minority bank would come under the cate-
gory of minority banks and then on a six-month basis rotate some of these
other funds so that they can's say that we have ostracized them from the
system.
Mr. Andrews: So the Commission can be thinking about this, and It'll be
your policy decision, we'll try to supply you with as many facts as possible.
The banking system of the City is divided into two parts, the time deposits
which the minority banks now share in, they do receive that kind of banking
business. The minority banks want to enter the other area of the City's
banking and that's the demand deposits. Now the information I've supplied
to you indicates how the ordinance is now in operation with the rotation of
one bank per year handling all of the deposits. The question that you'll
be looking at is can we subdivide that in such a way that the minority banks
can play a part in that. And the reason I got ahold of Mr. Bailey ;and he
was standing here is I was going to quiz him a little bit on the administra-
tive aspects of having more than one bank involved in the demand deposits.
I don't know how practical that is and we'll try to have some answers...
Mayor Ferre: Well we're going to have, I'm sure, some answers from Mr. Bailey
but I hope this afternoon we can discuss it. I might say that obviously if
it is not easy, easier to administer with one bank than with 2; but on the
other hand obviously it is a lot easier to take policemen by category and
we'd fulfill these minority problems. Some of these seem to be not a
question of simplicity, it is a question of affirmative action, I think is
the right word. One last thing that I wanted, Mr. Andrews, to share with the
Commission and this has been going in my mind every time I drive down Bayshore
Drive I noticed that that bikeway is moving along very nicely. However, I
always notice that there is a certain section where the road narrows, this
is beyond your home, Rose, where because of the narrowness of it the cars are
already driving on the supposed bike path. Now I'm going to tell you this,
you know I always put things in terms of my children, I'm not allowing my
kids to drive down that thing with those cars within inches of the bicycle
path.
Mr. Andrews: I know the particular area you're talking about. I've made my
own observations and we're going to have to make some adjustments of some
kind there,
Mayor Ferre: Let me suggest something and then I'll keep quiet. You know
when there is temporary construction they put up these little plastic things
that stick out of the road; you know there's just a hole and they slip them
in and out. When they break they take them out and put in a new one and they're
yellow with a little red up on the top and if a car hits them it can't damage
the car because it is plastic and it just snaps right off. But it might keep
these cars a little bit away, Itwould be tragic to have some child killed
there on our bicycle path.
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Mrs. Gordon: That's fine, that's about what I was going to say, some kind
of an indicator that this is a separate area similar to Miami Beach in their
hotel row they have a lane that is separated from the main traffic lanes,
Mayor Ferre: You've got to have something there or you're going to have
some tragic accidents there.
Mr. Andrews: At that partictlar location we may have to put up a curb and
actually elevate that area. w
Mayor Ferre: I think you're going to have to think that out very carefully,
Paul, because I tell you, the temptation is there. It is already there and
you're gong to have kids bicycling down there. And I can see Dave Balkin is
already starting to move and getting all of these kids and starting to ride
up and down. And the next thing you're going to have is some car hit some
kid and we're going to have problems.
Mr. Andrews: The area you're particularly talking about is dangerous from
the standpoint that the bicycle path actually joins the roadway at that point.
Mayor Ferre: That's right, where the bicycle path and the roadway are really
one. And this morning what was hap'cning was, as I drove down there were a
lot of cars there, all of them were going right down the bicycle path I mean
one wheel was on the bicycle path.
Mr. Plummer: Maurice, the only thing I wanted to bring up, you sent out a
memo which we were all copied on and I wanted the Manager to speak to it.
And that is the lighting of the parking lots downtown. You know we can make
all kinds of excuses but the excuses only seem to surface when somebody gets
raped or stabbed or shot or something. Whatever is being done isn't accom-
plishing the results that this Commission wanted. Now, you know we can make
excuses that we've got them in court, we're doing this, we're doing that.
But Paul, all I've got to tell you, my observation which is as you know nightly
the downtown parking lots are not lit. Now I want you to speak to what are we
doing, what do we need to do further to make these people comply. I've only
see for example one parking lot right on first Street that over the weekend,
last weekend was putting in some lights. But the greatest percentage of them
downtown are not complying.
Mr. Andrews: There are approximately 104 or 110 lots within the downtown area.
I want to indicate to the Commission that we are getting substantial compliance
of one or two ways. Either the lot will be lit or has already been lit or will
be screened off, fenced off so it cannot be used at night. Now there are some
of the lots that are actually in court which we're going to get a settlement
out of the court cases that evolved. Others are before the board. But I want
to assure this Commission that we're paying attention and following up on every
single one of those lots. Now if you wish this afternoon you want to get into
greater detail we can bring the maps down, we can bring the personnel here,
the enforcement people and go over it almost lot by lot.
Mr. Plummer: I think, Paul, if you do it in the sense of sending it to us in
a memo form then when I drive at night I can come back to you and say, "Well
here is the lots of greatest concern". But the overall thing is whatever we're_
doing is not getting the end accomplished.
Mr. Andrews: Well, I recognize and I guess we all get a little impatient in
some of these things but we are following the law and these people have an
opportunity to protest that which the City is requesting them to di.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, but you know this process has been long, And let me tell
you the thing that concerns me, Paul. I'm not being an alarmist, but you know
the rate of muggings and rapes not. just in Miami but everywhere is going up and
up and up. Now two weeks ago when we had a full moon and one of the local news-
papers went to the headline trouble to point it out that in 24 hours there had
been 6 rapes in this community. You know the thing that is frightening about
all of this is that when I saw that young lady that was mutilated, stabbed and
cut, her arm was almost cut off, 17 times in a parking lot in South paste Campus,
Now that's not the City of Miami and I recognize that. But it just worries me
that we, if we hadn't tried our very best, now I know the argument goes that
the lights aren't going to do a darn thing because there was a shunting of
another Cuban exile who unfortunately worked for Nagle, and unfortunately because
he's a family man. You may have seen it, the man was shot in broad daylight like
that Variety Children's Hospital incident where they just plugged tlii:, guy with
7 plugs, 45 caliber plugs in broad daylight in a parking lot. so what do lights
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have to 'jo with that? But if we can avert, if we can atleast deter soMebody
it is certainly worth the attempt.
Mt, Andrews: I agree.
Mt. Plummet: So in other words what you're telling me is the administration
is moving all haste. Is there anything that this Commission needs to do further
to increase your ability to enforce this code?
Mr. Andrews: Not that I know of at this time: If we do we'll certainly call
upon you.
Mayor Ferret All right. One last thing I want to mention before we get back
to our 9:30 agenda. We have Interama before us, ladies and gentlemen, we're
going to have to talk about Interama today because if nothing else happens we're
into; there are a lot of problems that I want to go over that the City of Miami's
interests are being affected and I think we've got to as a Commission at one
time go on record. I might recommend that we go back and slap a lien against
the property if that's legally possible. Is there anything else? Then let's
get on with Item 5(a), Substance abuse facilities...
1, DEFINITIONS
ADD NEW CHAPTER FORTY THREE
INCLUDE AS CONDITIONAL USE ART VI -R2
INCLUDE AS CONDITIONAL USE ART /II
5, PERMITTED USE- C-1 DISTRICTS
Mr. Acton: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission, this ordinance comes to you
as a result of the Planning Department working with a committee of three members
both Dr. Shepperd, Charles Lincoln and Father Harrison in the drafting of the
standards in a Substance Abuse Facility Ordinance. This ordinance is directed
at giving the City control over location of residential Substance Abuse Facilit-
ies in the residential zones basically plus control over such things as location
of methadone clinics and so forth. In all cases where they're afowed in
residential zones they will be conditional use. They would be first Permitted
as a conditional use in the R-2 zone. I want the Commission to know that this
will be an interim type of ordinance since we are very much aware of the fact
that there are other types of programs that are also residentially based. The
most recent one that the Commission would be aware of is the Work -Release Center
that was heard last Commission Meeting. What we're doing is drafting another
ordinance to replace this one which will be much broader based and encompass
such programs as alcohol treatment, work -release, drug abuse and so forth. But
it was felt necessary to use this ordinance as an interim measure to gain con-
trol over the location of these facilities throughout the City of Miami. Charles
Lincoln is in the audience. If the Commission has any questions pertaining to
the standards that are placed in this ordinance.
4, SUBSTANCE ABUSE FACILITIES
Mr. Plummer: Let me just understand one thing in particular. As I see it here
(c) addresses itself to R-2; (d) addresses itself to R-4 and (e) addresses itself
to C-1. Correct?
Mr. Acton: That's correct.
Mr. Plummer: Ok, now in other than C-1 it will be a conditional use which in
fact will require a hearing before this commission?
Mr. Acton: No.
Mr. Plummer: It will not?
Mr. Acton: ..If the Commission requires they do not hear any conditional uses
in the City of Miami unless appealed by....
Mr. Plummer: Well there is nothing to stop this Commission from making part of
the ordinance that we hear it is it?
Mr. Acton; I don't think so. Mr. Lloyd?
Mrs, Gordon: J. L., may I comment on that? I know your concern but I think
the people who would be objecting would make themselves heard at the Zoning
Board Meeting and if it were denied we would then hear it. It is the same as
any other situation where people object and the objections are, the objectors
make an impact on the board,
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Mt. Acton: You know the Commission can request, the Commission can actually
appeal a decision....
Mt. Plufrnet: If we know about it we can appeal it.
Mr. Lloyd: At the present time, of course, the present zoning ordinance pro-
vides that the Commission would hear an appeal from a decision of the zoning
ordinance brought by one side or the other. Now in response to your question,
if you wish to have this particular item of this nature so that there could be
a public hearing before the City Commission on the matter an amendment to the
zoning ordinance could be made to that affect. We might be able to put it
into this ordinance but by the virtue of the fact that anything else would be
repealed but it would be a little bit cleaner if we also amended the Zoning
Ordinance which we could do alter but you could still put it in this ordinance.
Mrs. Gordon: I would like to speak to the precedent setting qualities of
what that would do. In effect it may negate the effectiveness of the board
we've created which is working very well to rule on variances and conditional
uses. However, it might be that in these cases we could be notified that such
an application has been presented. This Commission can bring its own appeal,
can't it? Therefore, thiE, kind of thing instead of changing the ordinance and
saying that conditional u:es should come to us then we're changing the entire
concept of what we've cree.ted.
Mr. Plummer: Rose, in no way am I trying to change the concept; the only thing
I'm trying to say, and I cont think anybody will deny, that all of these applicat-
ions at best are controversial.
Mrs. Gordon: I know that.
Mr. Plummer: Now what I'm. trying to say is this: I think that this matter o
these conditional uses is a must. If these things are going to exist they must
have this kind of zoning. I'm all in favor of it. It was through my urging
that this thing was initially started. But I still think that this Commission
must have the final word in these particular ordinances and that's all I'm saying.
Now if it can be written; I would be opposed to changing the zoning set up as
it exists. But I think in these I believe to the individual ordinances we can
say that they must come before the Commission on these three items and I'm hop-
ing that that's the way that it can be done. At best, as I say, these things
are controversial and I think that this Commission should be the last word.
Now if that can be written into the individual thing fine; I'm all in favor of
them. Ok, if you can handle it administratively, a pact that these things are
automatically appealed by the Commission fine. I don't care how it is handled.
You work out the mechanics. All I'm saying to you that on these two items that
in residential areas that these abuse centers can apply and be granted that this
commission know and act on each individual one of them. I'm not talking about
the C-1, there is no problem there.
Mr. Andrews: You want the ordinance adjusted in such a way that in the resid-
ential
Mr. Plummer: No, I don't want the ordinance, I want these ordinances, not the
zoning ordinance; I don't want that touched - I think it is working beautifully.
But item (c) and Item (d), if these are to be granted I want it brought before
this commission if nothing mroe than just a discussion item. I don't care how
it is. Paul, what I'm trying to avoid is this: I don't want one of these
things to be approved and then people start bombarding this commission with
letters, "What have you done to us?" and I'm sitting there not knowing a thing
that has happened. You handle it administratively any way yoy want it; I don't
care whether it is being put on here for a discussio item, an appearance item
or in fact an appeal but I think it's got to be done.
Mrs. Gordon: J.L. , what you want to accomplish can be accomplished if we are
notified that such an application has been passed and if we want to take out
own action on calling a hearing on it.
Mr. Plummer; Rose, I've overheard the Manager and he said pass
they will alter it so that at the second hearing it will be the
expressed. I'm allin favor
Mr, Andrews; Mr. Vice Mayor, because this is a public hearing
comes up on second reading I suggest that you put your idea in
motion PO that we get it into the.,,.
it: this way,
way that I've
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Mt. PluMMer: Do you want it before we move A,B,C?
Mayor Ferre: All right. We have a motion and second now. Is there any mem-
ber of the public that wants to address the commission on 5(A)? Is there any
Member of the public that wishes to address the commission? If not, read the
ordinance.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
MIAMI, BY AMENDING ARTICLE II, SECTION 2, EN-
TITLED "DEFINITIONS",. TO PROVIDE DEFINITIONS
FOR RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL SUBSTANCE
ABUSE FACILITIES; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES,
CODE SECTIONS OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT;
AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION.
Was introduced by Commissioner Plummer and secondedeby Commissioner
Gordon and passed on its first reading by title by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City Commission
and to the public.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
MIAMI, AMENDING ARTICLE IV BY ADDING A NEW
SECTION 43, ENTITLED "SUBSTANCE ABUSE FACIL-
ITIES", PROVIDING FOR STANDARDS FOR SAID FACIL-
ITIES; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS,
OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING A
SEVERABILITY PROVISION.
Was introduced by Commissioner Gordon and seconded by Commissioner
Plummer and passed on its first reading by title by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City Commission
and to the public.
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Mr. Matthew Gissen: Myf naive is Matthew Gissen and I'in President of the
Village South. I have a question With reference to Item 5 (c) (d) and (e)
as they relate to each other. In reading I notice that 5 (d) pertains to
non-residential substance &buse facilities being a conditional use in R-4
zoning and 5 (e) relates to the same non-residential substance abuse facil-
ity being a permitted use in C-1 district. I fail to see...
Mayor Ferree Mr. Acton, ate you following the question? I'm going to ask
you to answer it. Go ahead.
Mr. Gissen: I think that the paragraph 5 fails to state in what district
substance residential, substance abuse facilities would be acceptable as a
non -conditional use but as a permitted use and I would like to know in
what districts they would be permitted. It doesn't say that.
Mr. Acton: Well it would be a conditional use in all residential districts...
Mr. Plummer: You mean in residential or where is it a first permitted use?
Mr. Gissen: We're describing a residential facility and my question is in
what zoning district would it be a permitted use and not a conditional use.
Mr. Plummer: None.
Mrs. Gordon: Not even in C-1.
Mr. Acton: That's correct.
Mr. Plummer: Well, he's asking the residential, the answer is none.
Mr. Gissen: Mr. Plummer, I'm not. You see, if we look down at the non-
residential facilities they are conditional in R-4 and permitted in C-1.
My question is with reference to residential facilities, programs. Where
are they a permitted use?
Mr. Plummer: AS a permitted use, nowhere.
Mr. Gissen: Is that correct, Mr. Acton?
Mr. Acton: That is correct.
Mr. Plummer: Anything of these type of programs that exist in a residential
type of zoning is a conditional use. There is none permitted anywhere
without approval.
Mr. Gissen: What about in a commercial zoning?
Mr. Plummer: C-1 or better.
Mr. Gissen: Is permitted use.
Mr. Acton: No. C-1 and C-2 also permits residential so what we're saying is
that.... Any residential substance abuse facility is a conditional use in any
zoning district in which it is permitted under conditional use. It is not a
permitted use in any zoning district.
Mrs. Gordon: I call your attention to what the gentleman is really alluding
to and I find the same objection in the wording because in (c) it says "By
including residential substance facilities as a conditional use..." Ok, you
say residential. In (B) you say "By including non-residential..." You're
silent on residential. In other words by being silent is that consent. Or
should you have said residential and non-residential?
Mr. Acton: It carries through, in other words the conditional use .-aeries
all the way through. First listed as an R-2, it carries all the way through
all residential zones which includes C-1 and C-2.
Mayor Ferre: When is the second reading of this thing?
Mr. Plummer: 30 days.
Mayor Ferre: So it won't be until April loth?
Mr, Plummer: Well, let me express my intent here and T think maybe I'm saying
the same thing, George, ready we're using zoning as a tool to r'nconr4ye these
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drug abuse centers in a certain are'.. Now I see what he is saying and I
want to tell you ttl? personal thought.. I think even though C-1 and C-2 are
acceptable for residential I think these are the area3 that we want these
people to try to take their Frograms into. And I personally see nothing
wrong with their kind of a program existing in a C=1 or nose liberal I
don't see anything wrong with it because you know when a person decides that
he is going to put a residence in a commercial district he realizes that he
is not going to have a total residential character to his development or his
home or whatever.
Mrs. Gordon: J.L., I have a strong point to mike to you on this. That is
apartment houses are built in C-1 and they could be of a character thataro
just as good as a single family home is what George is alluding to.
Mr. Plummer: Rose, I understand what you're saying. But the point that I'm
trying to make is we are using zoning as a tool to encourage these people to
go into other than strictly residential character. Now I don't know of any-
thing in the zoning ordinance that says you don't have a permitted use. Ok?
I think you have got to give them a permitted use to go into. For example,
they cannot go into a C-3, 4, 5 or I because it doesn't allow it. So you've
got to have something to make these people say "ok, fine, I can buy this piece
of property and I can use it and I don't have to go through all of the hassle
of zoning hearings and everything of this nature." It is encouraging them to
stay out of the residences and say ok, fine, go into the C areas.
Mr. Acton: Mr. Mayor, may I speak to that point, please?
Mayor Ferre: First of all Father Gibson and then Mr. Acton.
Reverend Gibson: Gentlemen, a man who lives in an apartment or in an apart-
ment district has as much right to be protected. I just don't want to give
everybody a blank check and say well no, if you go ahead it is alright. We
have apartment houses because that's the best place to accomodate a lot of.
folk, I think that if you put this kind of a program in that area you make
that many more people.
Mr. Plummer: Father, let me answer it this way. In fact, if that were to be
the case, Father, there would be none of these programs existing anywhere in
the City of Miami becuase Father, the people in the apartment houses or where -
ever, nobody wants this program next door to them. It is the truth but if you're
going to protect this apartment house as well as you are the duplex and the thing,
Father, there isn't a one of these that have ever come before this Commission
that have not had 20 and 30 objectors.
Rev. Gibson: you know what, J.L.? If these people know that they have all of
that objection and didn't have a blank check they'd be dog gone careful how
they operate that place. This is all I'm saying; I think that every person in
this community needs to be protected. And let me say this; whether you're rich
or poor, important or unimportant I don't want to give them a blank check because
they got in that hang up with their eyes wide open. You know I could make a
choice in living; that's what life is all about.
Mayor Ferre: Mat, I'll tell you I think what you've got is good enough, you
can live with it. It's not perhaps what you would have wanted but I think
is a pretty good venicle and i': gives you a lot of latitude.
Mr. Gissen: I would just like to throw out something to the Commission if I
might.
Mayor Ferre; Well before you were going to do that I was going to recognize
Mr. Acton. I think the general consensus of this Commission is to leave it
the way it's prepared as I read it.
Mr. Acton: Yes,
Mayor Ferre: Is there anything else you want to add to that, Mt. Acton:'
Mr, Acton: The other point that I wanted to make is the idea is to monitor
the locations of these facilities throughout the City. We reali::o that they're
a necessary part of the community and we do this through the conditional use
vehicle; that's the only way we can monitor to make sure that we're not getting
undo concentrations of these facilities in certain portions of the city, That's
one thing; the second thing is that the Commission also will consider the creat-
ion of a substance abuse committee that will be composed of members that have
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eitpertise in this field to review each of these programs to make sure `hat
the standards that are established are being adhered to, that the program itself
is a good program.
Mr. Plummer: Ok, I see what father is saying and I can't wholeheartedly dis-
agree. In other words, what he's telling you May, is that we're giving you
more liberty than you've ever had and if you're not good boys we're going to
jerk that liberty away from you. I can see it is going to put the monkey on
your back and I disagree with that.
Mr. Gissen: You know I have fought for five years the stigma that people have
given to "Drug Rehabilitation Programs" we've characterized them, we've mis-
named them, we've given them a lot of bad reputation unnecessarily and I would
suggest to this Commission that I don't know of anybody that has been stabbed
17 times and had an arm severed in e drug rehabilitation program or its facil-
ity, I don't know of anybody that's been mugged in a drug rehabilitation
facility. Yet I do know plenty... Or raped in a drug rehabilitation enter
but i sure know plenty of parking lots in the City of Miami where this has
occured and yet we have not systematically zoned out of existence parking lots.
And yet we sit here today as a board sensitive to the needs of the community
and Mr. Acton has on his desk a proposed amendment to this amendment which
includes in its definitions programs for the mentally retarded. Now they've
never been in prison as have not many people in programs such as we want to
operate, We want to operate foster care homes for delinquent abused and depend-
ent children. They haven't done anything to harm this community. They have
been victims of their parents, beat up by their parents so they're removed from
their parental homes and put into our facilities. And you sit here today and
want to systematically tell us these kids have no rights but the apartment
dwellers do? These kids cannot fend for themselves.
INAUDIBLE - EVERYONE SPEAKING AT ONCE.
Reverend Gibson: Let me say this, I hope you don't get the wrong .impression.
You know what really disturbs .ae about the way we live? It seems to me that
we want to give all of the doggone bonuses to the people who made a choice
to go in the other direction. Now look, man, I've come to the point in my
life where my cup is, you know, and I hoe it never runs over. But I just want
everybody to understand that there comes a time in life when a man ought to
be given a bonus for trying to be a doggone good citizen. That's all, and I
wouldn't in no way negate that or give it away because that's what I'm in the
business for, to encourage people to be decent good citizens. And when we
lose that sight then we have lost this society and I ain't about to lose it.
Mayor Ferre: Unless there is any further discussion at this point we have
Item 5(c). Who makes the motion? Mat, is there anything else you'd like to
add? Thank you so much for being here this morning.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF
MIAMI, BY INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL SUBSTANCE ABUSE
FACILITIES AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN ARTICLE VI
(R-2 - TWO-FAMILY DWELLING DISTRICT); REPEALING
ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS, OR PARTS THERE-
OF IN CONFLICT, INSOFAR AS THEY ARE IN CONFLICT;
AND CONTAINING A SEVERAt3ILITY PROVISION.
Was introduced by Commissioner Plummer and seconded by Commissioner
Gordon and passed on its first reading by title by the following vote:
AYES:
NOES; None.
Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L, Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record anti
announced that copies were available to the members of the City c'nIflm i :;::inn
and to the public.
MAR i 2197
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED=
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO, 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZOONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF
MIAMI, BY INCLUDING NON-RESIDENTIAL SUBSTANCE
ABUSE FACILITIES AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN ARTI-
CLE VIII (MEDIUM DENSITY MULTIPLE - R-4 DIST-
RICT:: REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS,
OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT, INSOFAR AS THEY
ARE IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY
PROVISION.
Was introduced by Commissioner Plummer and seconded by Commissioner
Gordon and passed on its first reading by title by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City Commission
and to the public.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF
MIAMI, BY INCLUDING NON-RESIDENTIAL SUBSTANCE
ABUSE FACILITIES AS A PERMITTED USE IN ARTICLE
XII (LOCAL COMMERCIAL - C-1 DISTRICT); REPEAL-
ING ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS, OR PARTS
THEREOF IN CONFLICT, INSOFAR AS THEY ARE IN CON-
FLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION.
Was introduced by Commissioner Plummer and seconded by Commissioner
Gordon and passed on its first reading by title by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City Commission
and to the public.
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MAR 121975
•
ORD.AMD,ARTICLE VI I= .= LOW DENSITY APARTMENT R-3.4 DISTRICT
SECTION 11 (1) - SITE PLAN APPROVAL
Mayor Ferre: Take up Item 6. Is there anyone here to speak on Item 6?
Reverend Gibson: Let me ask Mr. Acton. Isn't it true, t see here in the Plahhing
Board information that sometimes next month or next meeting you're taking up an
item that has some connection With six. I'm just wondering if what we do here...
Mr. Acton: I don't believe so, Commissioner Gibson. This simply pertains to
the R-3A District which will r'aquire site plan approval by the Planning Depart.-
ment in that district. The reason that this was put in is because we have had
some developments in the R-3A District which have had a preliminary site plan
approval by the department but between the time the preliminary site plan approv-
al was done and the building was built certain things happened which were adverse
to the neighborhood. It's occured in the most recent developments. All we're
saying now' is thatthey shall have site plan approval by the Department which
will be transmitted to the Building Department.
Mrs. Gordon: MOve it.
Rev. Gibson: Second. I understand, I just wanted to make sure.
Mayor Ferre: There is a motion on Item 6, seconded by Father Gibson. I'd
like to make sure that we all understand, and I'm going to vote for it but I
want to go on the record saying that we realize that what we're doing now is
adding one more bureaucratic step which of course is going to take time and
if you take time that means more staff, that more staff means more money.
What in affect you're really doing here is saying that you are going to estab-
lish a governmental criteria on what beauty is.
Mr. Plummer: A censor board.
Mayor Ferre: It's a censorship! In effect what you're saying is you want to
superimpose your criteria over the developers and to decide whether or not what
is going up is to be beautiful or not
Mrs. Gordon: Maurice, I don't think they're talking about architectural design;
I think they're discussing the open space and ...
Mr. Acton: Landscaping.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Simpson, you're shaking your head.
INAUDIBLE
Mayor Ferre: Obviously. Let me explain it this way.
Mrs. Gordon: You mean I'd have to build a colonial style if you wanted me to?
Mayor Ferre: That's right.
Mr. Acton: No.
Mayor Ferre: Now look, let me finish what I started to say. There arc rules
ane regulations that are very specific on square footage, on open space, on
all of the physical requirements. Now normally you say ok, that's it, you live
within the law and go ahead and build up. You're building now, wliun you super-
impose upon that that there must be an approval by a department then obviously
the inherent, the inference and what defacto is going to end up happening is
that that department is going to have some input and influence on what kind of
a project it is going to be because there is no other reason to have thi and
I just want you to understand what you're getting into.
Mrs. Gordon: Well, T want to bring forth a point, Maurice because it i:; import-
ant. There are very limited areas in the City with this classification. The
one area that is presently zoned 3A is on Brickell facing where you, across the
street from where you live.
Mayor Ferre; I know exactly where it is.
Mrs, Gordon; And therefore, I mean that is a unique and beautiful area and
in order to retain it that way; some of the buildings that have gone up in the
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3A ate really not very attractive. They are cluttered, the lot looks bad.:.
Mayor Ferrel Rose, I'm for it, I'm going to vote for this ordinance. I just
Want to warn because you know that is the way it started, and excuse the tor
using this horrible example, but that's the way it started in 1't3U in--ermany.
Oh well, it's not important, it'll never get that lar, just one isolated case,
I'm telling you right now that the principle of what we are doing in my opinion
in government is morally wrong. I'm not a socialist, I don't believe in the
superimposition of government criteria over citizens. I don't think that "Big
Brother" is best. I don't think that George Acton's architectural ability is
any superior to the people who are putting their money into developing that
property. And just that simple. What in effect we are doing by this is saying
in this particular instance because it happens to be unique; it happens to be
unique we're going to permit the administration who :hall, not may, shall re-
vies. Now what are they going to review? You know that it is going to be more
than just square footage and it's moral persuasion and I understand...
Mr. Andrews: Maybe, Mr. Mayor, if I may interrupt you and the members of the
Commission then we need a definition that we should supply the City Commission
as to what constitutes site planning. It doesn't constitute square foot. It
is arrangement of what is going on the site. The site plan doesn't even de-
scribe the type or architecture of the building.
Mayor Ferre: Paul, the reason I'm not worried about it, you know it just as
well as I do and I'll say it now on the record that you know that this is
against the constitution or at best it is questionable because what do yot:. mean
the site plan?
Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr. Mayor, look why don't we defer this item until they've
had time to be more definitive and come back. If the Manager himself has sug-
gestions; defer it until they can come back with more definitive outline as to
what site plan is.
Mayor Ferre: See, the item says now it "may". You're changing and you say
it "shall" and the question is reviewed by the Planning Department and the
question is for what purpose. And I'm not worried about R-3A because frankly
I would welcome the review of George Acton if we could avoid some of those
monstrosities that have been Milt on Brickell Avenue on the west side.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, noone.is happier to hear those comments than I because
I voted against all of them. But let me say this...
Mayor Ferre: No, they went in without variances, most of them.
Mr. Plummer: Oh no they didn't, I voted against the R-3A period because I
didn't think it was appropriate and I kept getting hammered in my head that
it was a buffer zone which I didn't buy. And even that, I have spoken to the
fact that I drive by there evenings and these places are cluttered with auto-
mobiles; for some reason the administration can't find them. When they go by
to check it's not cluttered but I see it every night. There is nothing, let
me say this, Paul, in this proposal as it stands if the site approval proved
to the negative and a building permit wasn't issued that doesn't preclude the
applicant from coming back to this Commission does it?
Mr. Andrews: No.
Mr. Plummer: Ok.
Mr. Andrews: But I think Mr. Lloyd is pointing out that as we're indicating
that it might be wise to identify and set the standards of what constitutes
site plan.
Mayor Ferre: All right, I'm going to accept a motion in a moment. Let me
make one more comment about this question. Let me tell you where it all ties
in. You know these things you think they stand alone - they don't status alone.
One thing ties into the other and then it's a trend and then they take direct-
ion. There will come before us shortly the question about economic feasibilitics
for planning, let's say the downtown area. I want to tell you, Mr. Government,
that you have absolutely no damned right to question the economic feasibility of
whether or not a project is going to make it. That's my problem if I'm the in-
vestor. If I go broke that's tough bananas on me that doesn't affect you. If
I'm stupid enough to put up a hamburger stand where I should have put up a dairy
maid or something else that's my problem. I don't want government starting and
especially at the local level to start telling people where to invest and what
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1975
to do and what not to do. And we have, I'm sorry, the City of Miami and Mr.
Acton and this department and the City of Miami and we're not anywhere near
as bad as Dade Cou'ity, Dade County is unbelievable. I mean we've got 1984
right here where everyday more and more we're getting goverhment telling us
what trees we can chop down which I'm for, I voted for; what kind of buildings
we're going to put up; how much we're going to set back; how you're going to
live in your home. Pretty soon they're going to start telling you what time
you can start walking your dog and what time you send your children to school,
whether they get up in the dark
Mr. Andrews: You can't use the public tight -of, -way as far as a dog is con-
cerned.
Mr. Plummer.: You haven't been in my neighborhood)
Mayor Ferre: I'm just saying that we live in an age where it's more govern-
ment everyday and... Ok, we have a motion to defer and there's a second.
And I want to repeat for the record that I do not own any property anywhere
in any R-3A District and (2) that I am for this and will vote for it as is
and I'll vote for it when it is even more clearly defined.
Rev. Gibson: I'm happy you aren't voting today because I want to make sure
that the people have a right, everybody doesn't have to be looking after them...
Thereupon a motion to defer was introduced by Mrs. Gordon, seconded by
Reverend Gibson and passed and adopted by the following vote -AYES: Mr. Plummer,
Mr. Reboso, Rev. Gibson, Mrs. Gordon and Mayor Ferre. NOES: None.
6, PROPOSED R-CC DISTRICT AND FORMULATION OF PROCEDURES USED IN
APPLYING THE DISTRICT TO SPECIFIED PROPERTIES
"r. .".c:'on: rr. 'w-or an' me .'ers of t''o co:'r ission, S.' ha-1 n ern'-10-- ''he
bringing certain zoning districts before the commissions notably the R-CC. Now
if the commission remembers they wanted since it's a part of the overall Coco-
nut Grove Planning process to have the zoning district before them as well as
the application of this district to particular properties in Coconut. Grove,
the same manner that you reviewed the C-2A this morning. What happened in the
case of the R-CC is that the Commission deferred hearing the R-CC district
until such time as the application of that zone to particular properties in
the Grove would be before you. In the Planning and Zoning legislation there is
a stipulation that said once the Planning Advisory Board hs acted on a particular
zoning district or the application of it the commission must act on that in 90
days or else it's deemed to be denied by the commission. Now in this case the
Planning Advisory Board when we brought the application of that zone to the prop-
erty stated, "Well we don't know what the commission is going to do with the
R-CC zone. We want to know that before we apply it to the property." So the
department found itself in the position of being on a merry-go-round and going
nowhere since 90 days had elapsed we had to send the entire matter back to the
Planning Advisory Board. So we bring this to your attention now so the Commission
can adopt some policy on what the Planning Advisory Board should do in this
particular cases in the future so we don't find ourselves in this particular
circumstance where we're going around in circle:; administratively and .•ost:ing
the city a lot of money by additional public hearings rind so forth.
Mr. Plummer: All right, this just sets up the procedures. Correct?
Mr. Acton: What I'm saying is the commission :should adopt a policy as to what
the Planning Advisory Board should be doing.
Mr. Plummer: It comes under the category of quick trial - 90 days. Mr. Mayor,
I'll move item 7. If we're going to set a policy it's got to be a motion.
Correct?
Mr. Acton: Except you haven't stated what you want the policy to be. You see,
what the Planning Advisory Board is saying is we're
Mr, Plummer; A 90 day hearing date.
Mr. Acton: No, sir. I didn't make myself clear. The Planning Adv i :x, r y 1eo,r t e
is simply stating that they don't want to act on flu, It -cc r.rl .i l
such time as ttw Commission has acted on that district in applyiee .it to partic-
ular properties because they don't know how you might modify the 1.-Ce district
and then perhaps it wouldn't be, they wouldn't want to vote on Ile application
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to particular properties. Do I make myself cleat or not? There ate two
parts, you know. First of all you create the zoning ordinance and then
you apply it to properties. Ok? Now the Planning Advisory Board is saying
they don't want to act on th'a zoning district in its application until the
commission has acted on the district itself so they will know that zoning
district should from a planning standpoint be applied to the particular
properties. But you have stated that you want the district and its applicat-
ion before you so you could hear from the property owners. They're saying
that they don't want to do it that way so this commission has to adopt a
policy instructing the Planning Advisory Board as to what they should be doing
procedurally.
Mr. Plummer: Well fine, you remind them if they don't do it that way that
they can be replaced! Is that simple enough? Is that the policy you want?
Mr. Acton: It is your policy, you recommend a policy.
Mr. Plummer: Ok, we recommended a .policy. The policy is we want to '.:ear from
every individual owner that is going to be affected by this change.
Mr. Acton: I understand that, so then you should; all I'm saying is establish
a policy for the Planning Advisory Board to follow.
Mr. Plummer: Well we've said that before. If not there wouldn't be any quest-
ion about it now.
Mr. Acton: No, sir, you have not. What I'm saying is that you need to estab-
lish a policy directing them to do whatever you want them to do.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I'll recommend a motion that we make a policy of this
commission that all changes of zoning affected by the R-CC come before this
commission as a matter of record so that we can hear from the owners of those
who are going to be affected with their property rights.
Mr. Acton: Mr. Mayor, just one more; it's not the R-CC in particular, it's all
future zoning districts and their application.
Mayor Ferre: You understand what is going on, now?
Rev. Gibson: Now wait a minute, I want to make sure. You know what disturbs
me is Rose was contending one position and we were saying something else about
a similar zoning. How does this fit in?
INAUDIBLE
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Acton, explain just one thing, this is not the same as what
we were discussing before this is a different situation. Is that correct?
Mr. Acton: Well, I talked to you about the principle. In other words it could
be, it's a good case; in the future you'll be hearing a series of new zoning
districts and their applications in the downtown area. The commission is on
record that they want to hear :he zoning district and its application at the
same timd so the property owners can get up and speak to the particular district
at the time it comes before the Commission. What I'm talking about is the
principle that should be followed by the Planning Advisory Board in their process.
In other words the Commission wants the Planning Advisory Board to hear the district
and its application at the same time so it come in that fashion to the commission
and they should adopt a policy to be followed.
Mr. Plummer: It's very simple, the policy has always been of this commission
that when people are going to have their property changed in zoning that we give
them the opportunity to come here and speak for or against and I don't see where
there should be any deviation from that policy.
Mrs. Gordon: Repeat the motion,
Mayor Ferre: It is a motion of principle where he says that we should not
deviate from the existing policy where if there is any zoning to be changed
that the people who are affected have the right to come before thi:, Commission.
That's all he's really saying.
Mr, Plummer: Is that clear enough? Do you think that they can read that? Huh?
Mr, Acton: Yes, I understand what you're saying.
The following motion was intr.ocuced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-224
A MOTION DECLARING THE POLICY OF THE COMMISSION
THAT ALL REQUESTS FOR CHANGES IN ZONING CLASSIF-
ICATION FOR PROPERTIES PRESENTLY ZONED R-CC BE
HEARD BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Manolo P.eboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
7, PUBLIC HLARING - STOP SIGNS ON ALATKA LOCATED AT NOC-A-TEE AND
MICANOPY
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, since this item gets very close to home I'm going to
try to be as unbiased as I can be. That's a bad word, biased is a bad world
biased is not. Mr. Mayor, let me say to you as you know that this came before
the commission some time ago at my urging because of the tremendous increase
of traffic in our particular neighborhood. At the time I did not espouse any
plan. As a matter of fact, I begged indulgence of the administration and the
Traffic Department to come forth with any plan, I didn't care what it was; just
to take out of what was a quiet residential area this tremendous volume of traf-
fic that we were beseiged with. And unfortunately it came back to rest with me
to say fine, waht do you want, we'll do it. Now I readily admit that what exists
today and put in on a six-month plan is maybe not the best thing that can or
should be done but I'm not an expert. The only thing that I must say in fairness
to the people of Natoma that what is in has cut down tremendously on the amount
of traffic. It hasn't accomplshed everything that we hoped to accomplish but
it has without question reduced the amount of traffic. Let me just further
state for the record that unbeknown, and George, you're going to have to testi-
fy to this that I'm lying and you guarantee it; that I had nothing to do with
any input in the Coconut Grove Plan which puts forth the closing of both Alatka
and Halisee at Dixie Highway. George?
Mr. Acton: That's correct.
Mr. Plummer: 'Cause if not I'm going to get scalped. I didn't even realize
it until I read it. All I'm saying is this, Mr. Mayor: as you addressed a
minute ago about the bicycle paths and you're well aware, I have two young
children. I am concerned as a parent for these children. We are beseiged in
this area in two directions. (1) When they saw fit to put a new opening at
Mercy Hospital and a traffic light that it was at that time a race way from
Dixie Highway to Bayshore. People went down that street just to Helen because
there was nothing to stop them. (2) We have been in the past and still are
beseiged on Halissee based on the people coming from Mercy getting to Dixie
Highway because that is the only way that they can get onto I-95. Now other
than that I'm not going to say anymore. I have given to you a petition signed
by the people of Natoma who called my office to register. There are consider-
able of my neighbors here who wish to speak to this issue and one letter on
record stating what they could not be here and wanted it to be known. So you
take it from there.
Mayor Ferre: If you'd submi t those to the Clerk and let me say that I've got
a letter here from Dr. Lieber who you have a copy of which says he couldn't be
here and he wants to register his approval of the continuation of the stop signs
at Alatka, Noc-a-tee and Micanopy.
Mr. Plummer: Now let me also just state for the record.
Mayor Ferre; Wait a minute, let me finish now. T also hope you will keep the
four-way stop signs at Tigertail and Alatka, Then we also have a letterer a
call from Mr, Steve Sussman who wanted to register his support for the removal
of the stop signs at Alatka, This issue is on the commission agenda this week.
1975
He said they certain cause traffic slow downs and ate haardous.
Mt. Plummer: They do cause a slow down. liow I forgot what 1 was going to
say. I'll think of it. Go ahead.
Mayor Terre: Seven speakers. Now in the interest of time, do you think 3
minutes would be fair for each one of you? You can say an awfully lot of
things in three minutes. Anybody object to three minutes.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, just let me interrupt to side track for one minute
not on this particular issue, but I would like to say to the Commission, I
would like to introduce, probably you don't know, introduce Eddie houd who
I would like the Commission to understand thane God he's back up on his feet.
He's the policeman who was recently shot twice; he's not fully recovered, he's
not back at work but thank God he's back on his feet and back around. Eddie,
on behalf of the commission we're goad to see you back.
Ms. Brenda Fisher: My name is Brenda Fisher, I'in here as a representative of
to Bay Heights Association. I'm rather disappointed to see that we're only
discussing two atop signs, what was set up before the Comrnthsion when I was
under the impression that we were going to discuss and going to review after
6 months which it has been, the 36 four-way stop signs that have been placed
in the small area called Natoma Manor.
Mayor Ferre: You can address yourself to the general....
Ms. Fisher: All right, because that's what I am here to discuss. I can cer-
tainly understand your plight as well as the plight of the people in Natoma
Manor to cut down the traffic, Commissioner Plummer. But I believe a study
was done after the signs were installed and i.t was shown that one of the most
dangerous things you can have in an intersection is a 4-way stop sign and there
was a survey to ... What I'm concerned about, I would like to know how the 36
four-way stop signs were placed in Natoma Manors, on what basis was it determined
that they were necessary because as a motorist who passes through this area
regularly I was suddenly tremendously inconvenienced to have to stop every few
hundred feet for a four-way stop sign in a very quiet residential area. I don't
know if the commission is familiar with the area called Natoma Manors. Wherever
you see a red dot there is a four-way stop sign and other than at the heavily
traveled, the heavy traffic hours it is a very quiet area and there is certainly
no need to have four-way stop signs at 36 locations. And consequently what it
has done is it has thrown a tremendous amount of traffic into Bay Heights. Now
we have the problem that Natoma Manors had because to avoid all of your stop
signs we have a constant stream of traffic coming through our area now in the
morning as well as in the afternoon. And it has now placed this concern upon us.
But my main concern is really as a motorist who finds herself tremendously incon-
venienced to have to stop constantly where there is no traffic around because it
is a very quiet area other than these few hours a day....
Mr. Plummer: Let me answer your questions if I can. Categorically how did it
come about? It did at a public hearing. We had a public hearing before this
commission. (2) Why did it come about? As I guess I would have to answer that
because nobody would come forth with any kind of a plan that would hope to
achieve, excuse me because I talked with Reboso about this and there were pro-
posals for Bay Heights. You know Bay Heights wanted the death bumps, that's
what they talked about. Now I understand the people of Bay Heights don't want
the death bumps.
Ms. Fisher: I don't believe we ever did. We also were told we could not have them.
Mr. Plummer: ... The third item you addressed yourself to, the 36 intersect-
ions, not intersections 36 stop signs, as a resident of Bay Heights if you were
traveling out of Bay Heights I think you are only affected by two. Is that
correct?
Ms. Fisher: And I'm also affected as I drive down Alatka.
Mr. Plummer: If you took the shortest route out of Bay Heights you would be
affected at two intersections. Correct?
Ms. Fisher; Correct.
Mr, Plummer: Does that answer your questions now? I tried to categorically
answer them.
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Ms. Fisher: Yes and no. Also one other tiling you mentioned of the two going
down Alatka, I believe the residents of Bay Heights do feel; and i don't think
there is anybody who questions that we need the four-way stop signs at the
intersection of Tigertail and Alatka. Nobody is detertnininq this and would
this not cut down the people who are using this as a drag strip even by having
that one stop sign placed on that one particular intersection of Tigertail and
Alatka?
Mr. Plummer: Mrs. Fisher, I readily admitted in the beginning I'm not an expert.
All I'm saying to you and to this commission is that something needs to be done
in Bay Heights as well as Natoma Manor.
Mayor Ferre: Mrs. Fisher, We'll come back to you, let's let everybody have their
three minutes and then I'll open it•up for more discussion so you make notes of
anything else you want to add to your comments.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, May I just, I remembered the thing that I wanted to say.
To add insult to injury when they instigated the Blue Dash, if you now go down
and you see the signs that say if you want to go i7th Avenue north they bring
all of the traffic down Nethia through a totally residential, up Hiola, across
Noc-a-tee and back 17th AVenue whicn in itself has generated a tremendous amount
of traffic. That was the other thing that I wanted to put in. It was just add-
ing insult to injury.
Mayor Ferre: All right. Now that insult has been added to injury we'll go to the
next speaker.
Mr. H. B. Taber: H. B. Taber and I live at 2035 Tigertail Avenue and I'm hero
today to speak for Tigertail Association. We have a number of our members who
live in the Natoma area and we ask that all of the signs in that area that are
now erected be left in place. That is practically the unanimous opinion of
everybody that lives in the area. Some of them were ready to move prior to the
erection of these signs and they all say that the results have been absolutely
marvelous from their standpoint; they again have a reasonably peaceful area in
which to live. It is very inconvenient, of course for people to have to make
these frequent stops in the area and people who actually live in the precise
area are very very willing to continue to make those stops. They have to make
them everyday on the way to and from their homes. Those in other areas and
particularly transients that are probing these residential streets to get to
distant places do have other choices. They can follow the main thoroughfares
and for that reason when they do intrude into the Natoma area and run into the
inconvenience of these four-way stops and so forth they in future days, tomorrow
or the day after they avoid that area and that has been exactly what has helped
to solve the problem. Alatka Street is the principal area of intrusion and also
of escape from the Natoma area by those people who are probing for an easier way
to get to a distant place and for that reason we think in particular the sign::
on Alatka Street should be left in place. Thank you.
Mr. Plummer: Just for the record, I didn't contact you or ask you to appear,
did I?
Mr. Taber: No, sir, you didn't.
Mr. Bob French: I'm Bob French, I live at the corner of Alatka Street and
Nethia Drive. Having lived there for almost 35 years I remember when Natoma
Manors was a quiet neighborhood. I can assure you that the amount of traffic
in the area today is 100 times what it was even as recently as 5 or 6 years
ago. Changes on U.S. 1 have made a big difference. I'm delighted to know that
the Alatka Street is going to be closed because since I last appeared before
you I have had my hedge knocked down twice and my fence knocked down once by
motorists coming across U.S. 1 illegally and into Alatka STreet. Closing Alatka
will do a great deal to reduce that traffic but even so there are a lot of ears
going to Mercy Hospital and I assure you that while it is inconvenient ftw in
to have to stop like everybody else I heartily approve of the stop sign:: th.rt
have been installed and I urge you to retain them for the safety of motet i ut ::
as. well as for the residents and the children in the area. Thank you.
Ms, Kathy My name is Kathy , I live in Bay Heights. Wo have ter-
rible problems really. I have two children as you do and we've had too many
near misses with this speeding traffic, Forty-five miles an hour on a quiet:
residential street that's supposed to have a 30 mile limit which is too much
in our neighborhood anyway is dangerous. I think we should use a little common
sense about this; we're using all of the piecemeal methods trying to cut down
the traffic problem, I think we ought to go back to the beginning and gent: the
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department responsible for rerouting all of the highway craffic, get them in
there to do a decent study, find a method to work to our mutual benefits. We
ought to think of Bay Heights and Natoma Minors as a single entity in this
particular case.
Mayor Ferre: That's good.
Mr. Plummet: I agree.
Ms. Kathy We need help, we really do. Everytithe you do something is
Natoma to cut it down what you're doing is you're putting them all in Ray
Heights. Now our kids are coming into your neighborhood to play. As a matter
of fact they're playing soccer in your backyard whether you know it or not be-
cause its the only place where they're safe. 3ut on the way home they almost
get killed right now - this week. Now when they close, off Alatka 1 don't know
what is going to happen. And if you close off Halissee you're going to trap
us in.Bay Heights. I had to get that in... But trap us, we'll never get out.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, let me say this: She makes a very good point. You
know when this came up at a public hearing before the proposal at that time was
to close Alatka and the reason that this was even considered was a doctor, I
believe, from Bay Heights who came here and said no, no, please don't. Now I
think rather than all of the discussion of what should be done in Natoma Manor
to remove their should be more discussion what in Bay Heights we can do to dis-
tract from Bay Heights.
Ms. Kathy That's right because after they leave us they come to you.
Mr. Plummer: I agree. The only thing I'm saying is and the reason all of these
people are down here today; you know they are well satisfied what has been accom-
plished but I think what we should be talking to is what can be done for Bay
Heights to likewise cutdown your traffic.
Mayor Ferre: Let me ask you a crazy question. You know the trouble with Bay
Heights, it's the same trouble that Coconut Grove has in a general sense with
Main Highway and that is that the people that use Main Highway, most of them
don't even live in Coconut Grove and they're just using it because it i.s either
a nicer way to go home down in Cutler Ridge or some other place. Now, Bay
Heights is the same way in a sense that sometimes people going some other place
cut through Bay Heights because it is a little simpler. I might inconvenience
some of the people in Bay Heights but wouldn't it be simpler if for example there
were some kind of a barrier over at that, in the connector there so that people
would have to go down to Bayshore Drive to get out? Doesn't that solve the whole
problem?
Ms. Kathy We've been told we can't close off any entrances because the
Fire Department claims it is a fire hazard....
Mayor Ferre: It could be the kind of barriers that can be moved, for example,
so that if the Fire Department needs to get in they can move them out. Do you
follow me? Some kind of temporary thing that will detract traffic. I don't
think you really care. It will be a little inconvenient but I think the majority
of the people can just go down to Bayshore Drive and out and if you want to go up
to Alatka you can turn up again and go that way.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, some of the discussion among the Natoma people have been
that they do the same as what is in Bay Heights and that is close off all of the
streets and just have one ingress and egress on Halissee and Tigertail. You
know if this is the case and then of course that would deter a great deal. But
it entails a tremendous thing. The only thing that I would like to see this
morning, and I'm going to tell you very truthfully, I would rather address our-
selves as to what can be done in the Bay Heights area to deter traffic and leave
the Natoma alone. Now you take it from there.
Ms. Kathy I would prefer to think of both areas together because I think
in this particular case they are one single area. I realize this hearing is
supposed to be directed to these two stop signs but I think the problem has
gone deeper than that. My kids have had too many near misses and I'm really
frightened.
Mayor Ferre: You're absolutely right to be frightened and I think you have
all rights to be here and to express your opinion but the solution to your
problem is not by creating a problem for somebody else. I think we've *got to
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find out a way how to solve your problem as we've found a way to solve their
problem. And I think what we really hav? to do, Paul, is get on with thing,
and bite the bullet and get into it and have a fight if we have to with the
Metro Traffic Department and work out the Fire Department's and Police Depart=
ment's problems and in my opinion the only solution is going to be limited
access where people who live in the residential area have one way or two ways
to get in and out and it does not become a through street.
Mrs: Adele Kanter: Adele Kanter, 272 Shore Drive East. One of the solutions
that was at one time presented to us by Commissioner Reboso I think would solve
both of our problems would be to close the Tigertail entrance and exit to Bay
Heights. It would help us in several ways. Not only would it deter the traffic
but it would also enable us to put a security guard at the other entrance because
we have an abnormally high rate of burglaries in Bay Heights.
Mr. Reboso: That was rejected by the Fire Department because they say it was
impossible to close that entrance at Tigertail.
Mr. Plummer: Well I disagree. I disagree.
Mr. Reboso: That would be the solution to the problem.
Mr. Plummer: I agree..
Mrs. Kanter: Then we would also have an area in the street there where the
children could play ball safely.
Mr. Plummer: Damn right, they could turn it into a mini -park. But what about
the people of Bay Heights now, are they going to be in favor of that?
Mrs. Kanter: Some will, some won't be. By the way, I would also like to
mention at a recent meeting we had a very good turn out because this was the
topic for the meeting and also the sodium vapor lights. The majority of the
people of Bay Heights are very much in favor of the sodium vapor lights. We're
very happy to see them there. There was a very vocal minority that said that
they didn't like it but the vast majority really did.
Mayor Ferre: Let me ask you this because you're not directly affected but it's
in your neighborhood. We're going 1:o have a discussion later on today about
vapor lights in the park. Now a lot of people are opposed to vapor lights in
the park. Now how do you feel about that?
Mrs. Kanter: There's a feeling that I got from the people in Bay Heights con-
cerning the vapor lights where that anything that would help to deter crime
they were in favor of. That it wasn't a matter of liking or disliking the
lights it was a matter of if it's going to do the job we want it.
Mayor Ferre: Answer me to my specific question. How about the park, Kennedy
Park?
Mrs. Kanter: I personally would be in favor.
Mayor Ferre: How about you, Kathy, you too? I just want to get your opinion.
You would also. That gentleman, you would? Ok.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I think that Adele didn't really lay it on the line.
I think Adele, wasn't there a poll taken of 52 people and I understand, I don't
know who told me this, that 4 people were opposed and 48 people were in favor.
Is that right?
Mayor Ferre: Of what?
Mr. Plummer: Of sodium vapor lights.
Mayor Ferre: In the neighborhood.
Mr. Plummer: Yes, in the neighborhood.
Mrs. Kanter: A very vocal minority, those 4 people really were adamant about
not wanting it and the discussion lasted for quite a while but the majority of
people were definitely for it.
Mrs, Peter B. Garvctt: I'm Mrs. Peter B. Garvett, I live at 16 55 Tigertail.
I'm coming here very unexpectedly as I just heard about this yester&ay.afternoon,
MAR 1,0197!
I've been a resident of Natoma for 20 years. 1 raised two children oh Tiger=
tail, f worried about the children in Bay Heights who learned to drive and
scratch off at the entrance of Bay Heights and screech down the street to 17th
Avenue: I know what these mothers are going through. I car pooled for my entire
life that my children were there because the traffic was so bad that they could
not walk to school or anywhere else. I had one child that went to Everglades
School on Tigertail. The most dangerous thing for me to do would be to let her
tide a bicycle to school so I know what you're talking about. I sympathize with
you. I just say to you that I think that your problem would be solved if they
would close Bay Heights and why they do not let you close Bay Heights on Tiger., -
tail is beyond me. Doesn't Bay Point have just one entrance? They are surrounded
by water. Would that not be more of a fire hazare to them that the citizens would
have to jump into the water thin to climb over the wall in case of fire? I don't
know but I mean if it were. up :o me and I could have a walled in area on Tiger-
tail 1 would prefer it. I stop at all of those stop signs, I don't like it any
more than the others. But everytime I stop I think thank God I have to stop at
the stop sign; maybe it will deter some of these people that are rushing home
from work late or rushing to work late that they will stop too. Thank you.
Ms. Kathryn Daniel: Mr. Mayor, I'm Kathryn Daniel, I live on the corner of
Alatka and Onaway. Now we're only here this morning to protest the removal of
the two stop signs on Alatka. We appreciate the problem they have in Bay Heights;
we just don't want those stop signs removed. There's about 25 children in a two
block area and I can guarantee you that 16 of them play in my yard including the
children from Bay Heights which I'm happy for. But before they put those stop
signs there you would have had to have lived on Alatka Street to have apprec-
iated what we went through and even now with •:he stop signs very few people stop.
It is a drag race and when they start to turn on Tigertail you really wonder if
they're going to make it. It sounds like they are coming right through your
house. So the only reason we're here today, we're not protesting the four-way
stop, we sympathize with Bay Heights, just don't remove our two stop signs.
Thank you.
Ms. Pamela Walker: My name is Pamela Walker, I live at 1607 Micanopy Avenue
and I just wanted to second Mrs. Daniels. I myself have three small children
4 and under and I'm definitely afraid as an adult to take my three children for
a walk between the hours of 7-9, 5 and 7 in the evening. To manage two toddlers
in an instant with the traffic, when the traffic itself, we had an incident last
year of a car coming out of Bay Heights before the stop sign went in, jumped up
on the sidewalk, struck an adult walking her dog, dragged the woman down the
street. And I am going to let my children out? No. Please leave our stop signs
and please let Bay Heights solve their own traffic problems in another way.
Mayor Ferre: Thank you very much. It seems obvious to me. I assume there are
no more speakers? It seems obvious to me....
Mrs. Adele Kanter: May I jsut say since I didn't get a chance to speak to the
signs that after listening to the people on the other side; I don't know if you
remember the last time I came I brought a petition with a hundred signatures of
people who wanted the stop signs removed. ONe of the reasons I think that we
have this problem with this hearing today is because there has been a misunder-
standing. Perhaps there should have been a hearing like this before the stop
signs were put in. ONe day the people in Bay Heights saw stop signs where there
was no cross traffic and immediately the traffic increased in Bay Heights. And
I think that the main objection we have is to the increase of traffic in Bay
Heights. We sympathize with the problems that these people were having. We're
happy to hear that they were solved by these stop signs and after hearing their
story we can sympathize with their feelings and we no longer feel that the stop
signs should be removed. But what will you do to help us in Bay Heights because
there has been a definite increase in traffic in Bay Heights....
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I want to expound on two things. Mr. Manager and Mr.
Mc Naughton....
Mayor Ferre; J. 1L., let me interrupt for a moment because you're going to come
with solutions to correct and I think we ought to get to that. But Adele, I'm
going to ask you to sit down, we have one more gentleman who wants to speak. Is
there anybody else who wants to address the Commission on this subject? Why
don't you make your statement and then I'll recognize Mr. Plummer.
Mr, R. Russell; My name is R. Russell, I live in the Grove, I find driving
through the area, I'm amazed that you seem to have the opinion that these
rich people should have their streets for themselves. Aren't these public
thoroughfares?
24 MAR 1.2 1975
Mt. Plummer: No.
Mr, Russell: Why not, weren't they paved by the City?
Mr. Plummer: No, sir. To answer your... Well let Mr. Andrews.
Mr, Andrews: This is a special planned district in the City of Miami in which
the streets have not been ... Oh, I'm sorry, when they were first put on they
were not dedicated but Mr. Grimm corrects me that they are dedicated.
Mr. Rusell: But I'm saying that this is City property...citizens driving
through....
Mayor Ferre: No, what we're saying is,tha` they paid originally for their -
streets. That's what we're saying. Their streets, they paid for them, not you,
not me, not the taxpayers; they paid for the streets. Now they also have
right to live in peace. Unfortunately...
Mr, Russell: Can't you take the same argument that the people on Bayshore
originally paid for the street there and they should be able to obstruct the
people driving down Bayshore?
Mayor Ferre: Well Bayshore Drive is an arterial street and that isn't so. You
see the people of Bayshore Drive did not pay for their street. The citizens,
the taxpayers did. It's different.
Mr. Russell: I was under the impression when you pave a street you assess the
property owners on the street.
Mayor Ferre: Not on an arterial street, you're wrong. Your reasoning is good
but your facts are wrong and therefore that makes your reasoning...
Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr. Mayor, what this gentleman is actua.ly saying is sub-
stantiating the story that you're making, that there must be a distinction
between a main arterial and a residential street. That is exactly what you're
saying and that is our argument; that a main arterial is designed to carry the
main flow of traffic. Residential streets are only for local use in those local
areas.
Mr. Russell: I would also like to interject that Bayshore Drive should have
been four lane a long time ago.
Mr. Plummer: Oh don't bring that up toddy, Rose Gordon will go out of her orbit.
Mr. Russell: Well this would basically solve the problem because the problem
is because you've got a traffic jam there. I drive that route every night and
going to work in the morning with my wife and it just seems to me that you're
taking a bunch of rich property owners and making an exclusive area for them to
the detriment of the rest of the public who has to get to work and back.
Mayor Ferre: But see, those streets were designed, they weren't made for through
streets. They're being abused. See? The purpose of those streets was not to
convenience you to go to Coconut Grove. The purpose of those streets is so that
these people who live in that area rich or poor, that's not the point...
Mr. Russell: Well the point is if this were a poor neighborhood you wouldn't
be going through all of this.
Mayor Ferre: I don't agree with that at all.
Mr. Plummer: No, we do it in many neighborhoods.
Mayor Ferre: I don't agree with that at all. It
but the point is that these people who have their
are not arterial streets, they're not streets for
some place else. The purpose of those streets is
areas period. It is not an arterial throughway a
It is just that simple.
just happens to be that way
homes there, those streets
people to drive through going
to service those residential
nd that is what the problem is.
Mr, Plummer; Mr. Mayor, let me make two recommendations and then let Mr,
McNaughton speak to it. I think two things, Mr, Me Naughton would be of gnat
help to the area both pay Heights and Natoma, #1, I personally can seo nothing
wrong with the closing of Tigertail and Alatka, That is number 1, #2, l think
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MAR 12197 5
if you gave sortie serious thought on Bayshore Drive that on the entrance; what
is the entrance street in Bay Heights; that on Samana Drive, on Alatka and on
Halissee if there were signs erected which said "No right turn between 7 to 9
and 4 to 6" in the problem areas I think this might be an answer to you. I
can't say it, you speak to it. You're the expert, you're the mar I turned to
6 months ago, let's see what you have to say.
Mr. Mc Naughton: Well in the discussion
there is a problem in Bay Heights and we
due to a shift in traffic. We have some
propse is that our Department of Traffic
of Miami Planning, Public Works and Fite
Bay Heights and Natoma reviewing those
various people such as closing of Alatka
Tigertail develop an area wide plan and
This will include our conclusions on the
some positive recommendations to get rid
today it has been brought out that
are aware of it. It has been increased
figures on that. What I would like to
and Transportation work with the City
Department on that whole section
previously made recommendations by
Halissee, the new suggestion about
come back to the commission with this.
stop conditions which we've made and
of the... We're doing various things....
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mc Naughton, I couldn't agree with you more but please, let's
don't kid ourselves. The greatest recommendation you made, Rose are you listen-
ing, the greatest recommendation you made before was let's say not acceptable to
Mrs. Gordon and this commission and that was the widening of Bayshore Drive.
Now if that is the only thing that you're going to come back and say "Let's
widen Bayshore," I want you to know from the beginning it wasn't acceptable
before so don't think it is going to be acceptable now. Do you understand what
I'm trying to say?
Mr. Mc Naughton: Yes.
Mr. Plummer: Ok, fine. Hey, I'm all in agreement with you, all in agreement.
Mr. Mayor, I don't think at
Mrs. Kanter: .... Do you propose a solution by saying no right turn onto
Samana Drive?
Mr. Plummer: No.
Mrs. Kanter: I'd like to take it off the record because we wouldn't be able
to get into Bay Heights.
Mr. Plummer: Ok, fine. You know I'm saying maybe that is an idea.
Mrs. Kanter: We've been negotiating with the Public Transportation Department
as well trying to get something done to keep the cars from coming around the
road so rapidly. Our children aren't even safe on the sidewalks. We've asked
for no left turn on Shore Drive East which was rejected; we asked for a four
way stop at Samana and Shore Drive East which was rejected so we've been try-
ing to solve this problem ourselves but apparently we're not influential enough
a body to do anything about it.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mc Naughton, the only thing I would ask of you, sir can you
give us a time?
Mr. Mc Naughton: I would think that we could work it perhaps in a months time.
I would suggest, could we leave it this way that I'll contact the City depart-
ments and the Manager can set a time.
Mr. Plummer: A11 right, can we say no later than 60 days?
Mr. Mc Naughton: Certainly.
Mr. Reboso: Mr. Mayor, can we say 30 days instead of 60 days? Sixty days I
think is too much. Can we do it in 30 days.
Mr. Plummer: I think what he's saying is he can do it but can our administrat-
ion do it. I think we can direct that.
Mr. Reboso: Well, let's see what Paul has to say about it.
Mayor Fevre: The question now is can this be done in 30 days.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mc Naughton suggested that he get together with you and
review and recommend.
2.
MAR 121975
Mrr Andrews: All right,
Mr. Reboso:
Mayor Ferre:
April loth.
recognize
For April 10th, t-e City Commission Meeting?
All right. Then we'll leave it that way and we'll see you on •
Thank you very much for your attendance today and I'd like to
Mr. Plummer: For the record, everything stays as it is until ancther public
hearing.
Mayor Ferre: I'd like to
Mt. Plummer:
stays as is
Mayor Ferre:
High School,
and Linda, i
with us and
Is that understood? Mr. Andrews, M
until the next public hearing. .
. Mc Naughton, everything
I'd like to at this time recognize an
Linda Cooper who is serving as an aide
f you'd stand up we'd like to recognize
I hope it's interesting to you.
honor student at'Hialeah
to the Mayor at this time
you. Thank you for being
CHANGE ZONING CLASSIFICATION LOTS 5,6,19,20, BLOCK 18, CHARLES H, FROW SUB
- 3150 OAK AVENUE R1 TO P-R
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Andrews, there was discussion by an individual who lived
next door in reference to buffering. Now what is the administration done to
provide a buffer from this man's property to this new proposed park on Item #9?
You were supposed to come back at this meeting and say whether you were going to
put a hedge or whether you were going to do what to protect him from the noise
and from the lights.
Mr. Clifton Hays: We have met with Mr. Daw, we're putting an 6 or 10 foot
wall and 15 foot of landscaping so he is satisfied.
Mr. Plummer: For the record you're saying that you have met with him and Ins
now concurs and is now protected?
Mr. Hays: Yes.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF
MIAMI, BY CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF
LOTS 5, 6, 19 AND 20, BLCCK-1, CHARLES H. FROW
SUB (13-53), LOCATED AT APPROXIMATELY 3150 OAK
AVENUE, FROM R-1 (ONE FAMILY) TO P-R (PUBLIC
PARK AND RECREATION), AND BY MAKING THE NECESS-
ARY CHANGES IN THE ZONING DISTRICT MAP, MADE A
PART OF THE SAID ORDINANCE NO. 6871, BY REFER-
ENCE AND DESCRIPTION IN ARTICLE III, SECTION 2
THEREOF; BY REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECT-
IONS, OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAIN-
ING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION.
Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of February 12
taken up for its second and final reading by title and adoption.
On motion of Commissioner Gordon, seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the
Ordinance was thereupon given its second and final reading by title and
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
THE ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO. 8373.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public.record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and to the public,
WaS
27 MAR 1217
. It
AMEND ORD. 7991 - SEC,3Y-6 of CHAPTER.fi..) of THE CITY CODE
REDUCE MINIMUM CHARGE FOR USE or DINNER KEY EXPOSITION BLDG.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 7991 AS CODIFIED
IN SECTION 39-6 OF CHAPTER 3S', ENTITLED "PP KS AND
RECREATION" OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF MIAMI, FLORIDA,
BY REDUCING THE MINIMUM CHARGE TO BE PAID FOR THE USE
OF DINNER KEY EXPOSITION BUILDING, BY AMENDING SECT-
ION 39-6 (a) (1); PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, REPEAL-
ING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT
HEREWITH; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of
taken up for its second and final reading by title and adop
On motion of Commissioner Plummer, seconded by Commissioner
Ordinance was thereupon given its second and final reading
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
April 11, 1975 was
tiorn.
Gordon, the
by title and
THE ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO. 8374.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and to the public.
10, AMEND APPROPRIATIONS ORDINANCE- APPROPRIATE $10,000,00 FOR
ADDITIONAL REVENUES FOR PROGRAMS FOR THE HANDICAPPED
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING APPROPRIATIONS ORDINANCE NO. 8316
BY APPROPRIATING $10,000.00 FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUES AND
EXPENDITURES FOR PROGRAMS FOR THE HANDICAPPED; SAID
REVENUES TO BE RECEIVED FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA, DIV-
ISION OF RETARDATION ON REIMBURSEMENT INVOICE; AUTHOR-
IZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO INSTRUCT THE
PROPER CITY OFFICIALS TO IMPLEMENT THIS PROGRAM, AND
ESTABLISHING A PROGRAM BUDGET; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES,
CODE SECTIONS OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT; AND PROVID-
ING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Passed on its first rearing by title at the meeting of April 11, 1975 was
taken up for its second and final reading by title and adoption.
On motion of Commissioner Gordon, seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the
Ordinance was thereupon given its second and final reading by title and
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
THE ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO. 8375.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and to the public.
Y
MAR 12197
lieIINCREASEPIIN BENEFITS PAYMEMEFROMRTHEIRENSIIO�
TO THE RETIREES OF THE CITY OF MIAMI
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED
460YoltcpxYB
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE NO. 8316
ADOPTED OCTOBER 10, 1974, TO PROVIDE FOR THE ADDITIONAL
APPROPRIATION OF $55,000.00 FOR THE CITY'S 1974-75
. ............ ..
FISCAL YEAR BUDGET TO COVER THE INCREASE IN BENEFIT
PAYMENTS FROM THE PENSION FUND PROVIDED IN ORDINANCE
NO. 8318 TO BE PAID TO THE RETIREES OF THE CITY OF
MIAMI; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS OR
PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT; CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY
PROVISION; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of February 12, 1975 was
taken up for its second and final reading by title and adoption.
On motion of Commissioner Gordon, seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the
Ordinance was thereupon given its second and final reading by title and
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
THE ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO. 8376.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and to the public.
12, APPOINT VICE MAYOR PLUMMER AND COMMISSIONER GORDON
AS MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF MIAMI RETIREMENT BOARD FOR THE
FIRE AND POLICE SYSTEM
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission, I distributed a memor-
andum to you this morning with reference to the appointment to the Pension
Boards of the City Commission member or members.
Mayor Ferre: Do you want those appointed now?
Mr. Andrews: Yes.
Mayor Ferre: All right, the appointments are J. L. Plummer on the Fire and
Police and on the Civil Service, Mrs. Rose Gordon.
Mr. Plummer: Well let me give, you the motion because for the system side
would be Commissioner J. L. Plummer; for the Plan side would be Mrs. Rose
Gordon.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-225
A MOTION OF INTENT TO APPOINT VICE -MAYOR J. L. PLUMMER, JR.
AND COMMISSIONER ROSE GORDON AS MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF MIAMI
RETIREMENT BOARD FOR THE FIRE AND POLICE SYSTEM AND FOR THE
MIAMI CITY EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT PLAN RESPECTIVELY.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote-
AYES; Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore: Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A, Ferre
NOES; None.
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COMMISSIONER GIBSON'J REQUEST FOR REPORT FROM
13, DISCUSSION ITEM! MONEY MANAGER; OF PEr'SION FUND AND FURTHER
QUESTIONS OF SPOUSE DEFINITION
Reverend Gibson: Mr. Mayor, let me raise a question
about the pension. Now I remember about a year or a
year, I want everybody to hear this because it bothc'
we came before this commission and we talked in high
going to happen and how to ... J. L., I want you to
represent me on that Board, what the yield was going
that report. I am going to watch with particularity
ing whether we' making any money, whether we've lost
have lost and I don't want at word of mouth. I want
read, mark, learn and inwardly digest. That's what
Ok. The second thing is...
since you're talking
little better than a
rs me, it's bugging me_;
terms about. what was
hear this because you
to be. I don't have
and by the next meet -
money, how much we
to be able to sit down,
we say in the prayer.
Mr. Plummer: Let me answer that one, Father. You will have a copy of that
this afternoon, it is available. These are the areas, I'll go get it for
you right now. We have quarterly reports and annual reports. Now let me be
truthful with you so you're not misunderstood. We find ourselves in a posit-
ion because of the economic condition prevailing of being proud of the fact
that we, listen to this good now, we are losing less money than other people
are losing. That is a hell of a position to be in but it is the truth.
Rev. Gibson: Ok, J. L., you see the one thing I've learned as a man of the
Bible I read what the Bible says and it talks about one prophet who is known
as watchful waiting. You know what I mean? I shall never forget how the
people who work for the City and clamored about the action of Southeas National
Bank, it wasn't known then as Southeas National Bank, as First National Bank.
And all of you know how I feel about local businessmen getting this business.
That is no hidden record. The papers can write that ever time they write. I
am concerned that here are local people, if you're going to lose 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,
8,9. 10 million let them lose it. All your people losing, I'd rather let them
lose it because at least they have no where to run and they can't hide and they
have to enjoy the pain I have, enjoy then with me. Now I want it on the record,
and my brother, if they haven't performed as they promised to perform I am going
to be raising hell this afternoon or when I have a time to study it because I
feel that if anybody should have been losing, let them lose. Why should I let
Atlanta lose, why should I let Chicago lose, why should I let New York lose my
money for me? At least should the other fellows lose it I'll chalk it up to
experience and I'll say "Well, I don't like it but I have to live with it. So
bring it and let it all hang out when we come because I didn't like what I heard
that man say at the last meeting. This one I'm going to stop. You know every
meeting I have to preach a sermon. Remember that man that we raised the quest-
ion about whether or not giving the money to these wives whose husbands are
dead forever in perpetuity, you didn't know I knew that word Mr. Lloyd - I'm
going to play that up too - he said that it didn't make any appreciable differ-
ence. Man! Let me tell you something if I was here at the Commission Meeting
when that ordinance was passed, that was the week I was sick, I would have been
motioning to fire that company. Any money you lose has got to make a difference.
Don't come giving me that cock and bull story. I run a church, man, and when
we loose $500, $10,000 we're in real trouble and I don't like a businessman
telling me that you could drain forever and it doesn't make any appreciable
difference. Now I just
Mr. Plummer: Father, I'm not going to take the time of the commission right
now, I'll be goad to sit down with you, but here is one businessman that's got
to tell you it's the truth. And Father, if you're going to raise hell about it
losing money I hope you start with the Dow Jones and all the high priced people
first cause there's no question we've lost money. And thirdly, Father, I've
got to tell you that in reference to the banking, and that's go to be distin-
guished here and I concurred and voted with you, there was not a local broker
or money managers come forth except Southeast. The only discussion in which
you entered into, and rightfully so, was the custodian not the money managers
the custodian. So the custodian really doesn't lose or make money because he
only charges a fee for what he does. The others are the ones who are out on
the line suggesting and recommending and this Commission gave them 100% lati-
tude to make decisions for the trust fund. But I want you to know, Father,
I'll be glad to discuss it with you because I've become one hellatious expert
in the last 12 months,
Mrs, Gordon; I've learned a lot too,
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MAR 121975
Mt. Plummer: You know I agree, Father. On the surface when you say how do
you give somebody in ( I can't even say the word) forever = in perpetuity.
Father, you and I only cover them from birth to earth; we don't cover them
beyond that point. It is in fact, it sound weird that that thing could be
passed and it doesn't. But Father, I can show you in black and white where
it is going to save money for the City.
Rev. Gibson: Ok, let me make another since you said that. I hope they don't
tell us now, and I want to b?, that's why I want to read - black and white don't
lie. I hope they don't tell us that they got the bulk of their money invested
in a bank whereas that ain't what they said. Man, having been in the pension
fund in the Episcopal Church is one of the greatest experiences I've ever had in
my life. I will get to be an expert too. Anc. I hope they don't come giving me
that jazz.
Mr. Plummer: Father, the reason why your Episcopal Church has done so well,
you did not have the abuses existing as we have.
Rev. Gibson: We wouldn't to;.erate it where you let women marry men and in
perpetuity get that pension. We ought to have more intelligence than that.
That's right, so this afternoon you better bring it out here now.
Mayor Ferre: All right, we have a few minutes.
Mr. Andrews: We're supposed to conclude our meeting by 11:30, Mr. Mayor. So
take up the next item which is 13.
14.. PROCLAMATIONS, PLAQUES, CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION.
A. SPECIAL TRIBUTE TQ DR. WALTON BROOKS MCDANIEL ON THE
OCCASION OF HIS J.U4TH BIRTHDAY.
B. PRESENTATION OF A PROCLAMATION DEC�ARING THE MONTH OF
ARCH AS NATIONAL KED CROSS MONTH .
C. EXTOORRELLDINGCORETIREDELITTOY �LERKHE AMILY OF THE LATE FRANK
D. PRES NTATION QF COMMENDATIONS TO MR. ELPIDIO NUNEZ
AND MR. MIKE URTEGA.
E. PRESENTATION OF CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION TO THE
FOLLOWING PERSONS WHO H&VE GIYEN OF THEIR TIME AND
SERVIE TQ THE CITY OF :IIAMI SHENANDOAH VAY CARE CENTER:
11R . LARLOS bARC I A-LAVV I N
(IS. ARILYt1 RICHTER
'S. ULIE HIj CHTER
R. NIDI IENA
R. LUIS VER Z
MR. STANLEY MOORE
Thereupon the City Commission recessed at 11:40 A.M. and reconveined
at 2:40 P.M. Mayor Ferre was absent.
15. PERSONAL APPEARANCE - MR. DOLAN - CHANCGE OF ZONING CLASSIFICATION
Mr. Plummer: I will take out of order real quick like Mr. Dolan who has a
request of this Commission. Mr. Dolan, if you will come up, sir and make it
very brief.
Mr. Dolan: I respectfully request that a public hearing be held by the City
Commission relative to the change of zoning classification R-1(0ne Family) to
PR (Public Park and Recreation) at approximately 2800 S.W. 22nd Avenue.
Mr. Plummer; For the edification of the commission this was the old fire stat-
ion. This gentleman has a petition signed by how many?
Mr. Dolan: Approximately 65 to 70 people,
Mr, Plummer; Sixty-five or seventy people which he has presented and i told
hi.m that the only way that this could be handled was in the form of a public
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heating. He is well aware that the only thing that this commission can do
today is merely set a date for a public hearing and that is his request today.
Mrs. Gordon: Just a question for information. I missed it when you were say-
ing it. What is the idea, what should the land be utilized for? I'm not going
to have a public hearing, I'm
Mr, Plummer: Well wait a minute new because that's what I'm trying to avoid
because I don't want to have to have Mr. Allen Speak and everybody else.
Mrs. Gordont I just want his opinion because he asked for a public hearing. I
want to know why, what he wants to do with it or what would be done with it'if
it wasn't that.
Mt. Dolan: Well, in the first place we're against the changing of the zoning
classification of R-1. I think it would be much wiser to wet up a park there
for the old folks or something like that, a few benches and tables to play cards
and something like that. We have no objection to that. Or the city buy the
property and... The city owns it then sell it and have a structure, a private
residence built on it. We have no objection to that, of course. Right now it
is zoned for a private residence.
Mrs. Gordon: Ok, we'll take it up .at the public hearing.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Andrews, what date would you recommend for the public hearing,
sir?
Mr. Simpson: This change of zoning from R-1 to PR plus a (b) portion, the approval
of the development plan for a park in that area already has been processed through
the Planning Advisory Board and it is set to be scheduled before this commission
tentatively at 11 O'Clock on the 24th. We'll know the timing tomorrow and notices
Mr. Plummer: Do both at the same time. So in other words, Mr. Dolan, it will
be heard in the form of a public hearing on the 25th of November, I'm sorry,
March. The 25th of March. Do we have a time? You will be notified by mail
as to the time and so will most of the other people in the area within 375 feet.
Mr. Dolan: Thank you, we'll attempt to notify the petitioners of the area en
masse.
6-MONTH EXTENSION CCNDITIONAL USE TRACTS 1 & 2
i6, TENTATIVE PLAT 896 - RIVER COVE
Mr. Andrews: I'm going to ask Mr. Simpson to help me fill in the technical
details of this. Mr. Simpson. There is a resolution being prepared in refer-
ence to this matter but it is a building that Mr. Filer has made application
with reference to rezoning. A rezoning was successfully passed at the board
level and the City Commission level and he is asking for a 6-month extension.
Today is the last day and we're recommending that the commission go ahead and
grant it.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gibson, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-226
A RESOLUTION GRANTING AN ADDITIONAL SIX-MONTH EXTENSION
OF THE "CONDITIONAL USE" )PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT) TO
BE LOCATED ON TRACTS 1 AND 2, TENTATIVE PLAT NO. 896
"RIVER COVE" AT NORTH RIVER DRIVE AND 17TH AVENUE, PUR-
SUANT TO ORDINANCE NO, 6871, ARTICLE XXXI-1, ACCORDING
TO PLANS ON FILE, SUBJECT TO RELOCATION OF DRIVEWAY AND
DEDICATION OF RIGHT OF WAY ON NORTH RIVER DRIVE, ALL IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORT-
ATION RECOMMENDATION; ZONED C-4 (GENERAL COMMERCIAL) AND
W-I (WATERFRONT INDUSTRIAL), PROPOSED TO BB REZONED R-4
(MEDIUM DENSITY MULTIPLE) DISTRICT.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on
file in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the resolution was
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MAR 121975
passed and adopted by the following Vote -
AYES: Mt. Reboso, Rev, Gibson, Mts. Gordon and Mr. Plummer.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Mayor Ferre.
17, ErabgBReatiti/TARY SEWER IMPROVEMENT SR-5387-C
r 1ur"'"er: Is there a'^."o o hnrc '•'ho '.•'is*:cc to a,i4ress 19 (a) or
19 (b)? Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak to 19
(a) or 19 (b)? Dearing none, what is the pleasure of the commission?
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-227
A RESOLUTION ORDERING WEST GRAPELAND SANITARY SEWER IMPROVE-
MENT SR-5387 C (CENTERLINE SEWER) AND DESIGNATING THE PROP-
ERTY AGAINST WHICH SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS SHALL BE MADE rCR A
PORTION OF THE COST '`THEREOF AS WEST GRAPELAND SANITARY SEWER
IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT SR-5387 C (CENTERLINE SEWER); ALLOCAT-
ING FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $50,000.00 TO COVER THE COST OF
PRELIMINARY EXPENSES FOR SAID IMPROVEMENT FROM THE SANITARY
SEWER BOND FUND.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on
file in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Mrs. Gordon, Mr. Reboso, Rev. Gibson and Mr. Plummer.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Mayor Ferre.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-228
A RESOLUTION ORDERING WEST GRAPELAND SANITARY SEWER IMPROVE-
MENT SR-5387-S (SIDELINE SEWER) AND DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY
AGAINST WHICH SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS SHALL BE MADE FOR A PORTION
OF THE COST THEREOF AS WEST GRAPELAND SANITARY SEWER IMPROVE-
MENT DISTRICT SR-5387 S SIDELINE SEWER.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on
file in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Rev. Gibson, Mrs. Gordon, Mr. Reboso and Mr. Plummer.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Mayor Ferre.
MAR
'1,197 5
18, ACCEPT COMPLETED WoRK S,W, 27TH AVENUE PAVING PROJECT-1974
The following tesolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-229
A RESOLUTION A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE COMPLETED WORK OF
D.M.P. CORPORATION FOR THE S.W. 27 AVENUE PAVING PROJECT=
1974 AT A TOTAL COST OF $46,929.05 AND AUTHORIZING A FINAL
PAYMENT OF $9,742.18.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on
file in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Gordon,Plummer,Reboso and Reverend Gibson
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mayor Ferre
TRAIL VIEW HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT H -4366
19, ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK STORM SEWER PORTION
mhe fol1o"in r^^olut4on ,etc intrnduced by ('nmmjcajnnpr f;nrdnn. whn
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-230
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE COMPLETED WORK PERFORMED BY
GARCIA ALLEN CONSTRUCTION CO., INC., AT A TOTAL COST OF
$209,721.05 AND AUTHORIZING A FINAL APYMENT OF $21,075.15
FOR THE TRAIL VIEW HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT H-4366 (STORM
SEWER PORTION) IN TRAIL VIEW HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT
H-4366 (STORM SEWER PORTION).
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on
file in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Mr. Reboso, Rev. Gibson, Ars. Gordon and Mr. Plummer.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Mayor Ferre.
20, ACCEPT HIGHWAY RIGHT OF WAY DEED - NATIONAL PARKINSON FOUNDATION
The following resnlutinn was introduced by romrii.ssinnPr nordnn, whn
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-231
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE HIGHWAY RIGHT OF WAY DEED EXECUTED
BY NATIONAL PARKINSON FOUNDATION ON JANUARY 20, 1975, CONVEY-
ING TO THE CITY OF MIAMI FOR HIGHWAY WIDENING PORTIONS OF ITS
PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF N.W. 15 STREET AND ALONG
N.W. 9 AVENUE INCLUDED IN A RADIUS CORNER; AND DIRECTING THE
PROPER OFFICIAL OF THE CITY OF MIAMI TO RECORD SAME IN THE
PUBLIC RECORDS OF DADE COUNTY, FLORIDA.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on
file in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote-
AYES: Mrs. Gordon, Rev, Gibson, Mr. Reboso and Mr. Plummer,
NOES: None,
ABSENT; Mayor Ferre,
MAR 1. 2 1915
21, ACCEPT PLAT ENTITLED
LtlfSLEY ALLAPATTAH SU IMVtS ON
The following resolution was introduced by Cotissiottet Gordon, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO, 75=232
A RESOLUTION RESCINDING RESOLUTION NO. 74-456 " A RESOLUTION
ACCEPTING THE PLAT ENTITLED LINDSLEY-ALLAPATTAH SUBDIVISION,
A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF MIAMI, FLORIDA, AND ACCEPTING
THE DEDICATIONS SHOWN ON SAID PLAT"; AND CANCELLING THE AGREE-
MENT AND COVENANT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MIAMI AND LINDSLEY LUM-
BER COMPANY FOR SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENTS; AUTHORIZING THE
RELEASE OF THE PERFOfMANCE BOND TO GUARANTEE THE COMPLETION
OF SAID SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENTS; AND DIRECTING THE CLERK OF
THE CITY OF MIAMI TO SEND COPIES OF THIS RESOLUTION TO THE
CLERK OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONS AND THE COUNTY MAN-
AGER OF METROPOLITAN DADE COUNTY, I'LORIDA.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on
file in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Mr. Reboso, Rev. Gibson, Mrs. Gordon and Mr. Plummer.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Mayor Ferre.
22, 1-YEAR EXTENSION OF EMPLOYMENT
The fo11o,:ing resolution t•yas
moved its adoption:
- JUAN PEREZ- CUSTODIAN FOREMAN
PUBLIC FACILITIES DEPARTMENT
intrr licc?A ht, rnmmi ci.c+n, r Cnrrinn, whn
RESOLUTION NO. 75-233
A RESOLUTION A RESOLUTION APPROVING A ONE (1) YEAR EXTEN-
SION OF EMPLOYMENT PAST THE AGE OF SEVENTY-ONE (71) FOR
JUAN PEREZ, CUSTODIAN FOREMAN, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC FACIL-
ITIES, EFFECTIVE ON HIS BIRTH DATE, MARCH 8, 1975 THROUGH
MARCH 8, 1976, WITH THE PROVISION THAT IN THE EVENT OF A'
ROLLBACK OR LAYOFF, MR. PEREZ, RATHER THAN A JUNIOR EMPLOYEE
WOULD BE AFFECTED.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on
file in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Rev. Gibson, Mrs. Gordon, Mr. Reboso and Mr. Plummer.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Mayor Ferre.
23, RATIFY ACTION OF AGREEP'IENT-MANPOWER PLANNING COUi'CIL OF
THE CITY MANAGER DADE AND MONROE COUNTIES
TFMPnPAPV PUBLIC SFRVTCT) .InR PIWIAPAM
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-234
A RESOLUTION RATIFYING THE ACTION TAKEN BY THE CITY MANAGER
OF THE CITY OF MIAMI TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE MAN-
POWER PLANNING COUNCIL OF DADE AND MONROE COUNTIES, PURSUANT
TO CITY OF MIAMI RESOLUTION NO, 74-111, FOR THE PURPOSE OF
RECEIVING FUNDS TO OPERATE A CITY OF MIAMI TEMPORARY PUBLIC
SERVICE JOBS PROGRAM BEGINNING ON JANUARY 13TH, 1975.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on
file in ,the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution Was
passed and adopted by the following vote-
AXES; Mrs, Gordon, Rev. Gibson, Mr. Reboso and Mr. Plummer,
NQBS; None,
ABSENT; Mayor Ferre,
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46
24AUTHORIZE AGREEMENT BALTIMORE BASEBALL CLUB) INC. FOR USE OF
MIAMI BASEBALL STAb1UM FOR SPRING TRAINING
The following resolution was introduced by CofrMissioner Gibson, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO, 75-235
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ANb DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER AND
THE CITY CLERK TO ENTER INTO A NEW AGREEMENT WITH THE BALTI-
MORE BASEBALL CLUB FOR USE OF THE MIAMI BASEBALL STADIUM BY
THE BALTIMORE ORIOLES BASEBALL TEAM FOR THE 1975 SPRING
TRAINING SEASON, THE CLUB HAVING THE OPTION TO RENEW SAID
AGREEMENT FAOM YEAR TO YEAR UP TO AND INCLUDING THE 1978
SPRING TRAINING SEASON.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on
file in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Mr. Reboso, Rev. Gibson, Mrs. Gordon and Mr. Plummer.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Mayor Ferre.
REAPPOINTING
25, ROSE GORDON AS CITY COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE TO
COMMUNITY ACTION ADMINISTERING BOARD
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gibson, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-236
A RESOLUTION REAPPOINTING COMMISSIONER ROSE GORDON AS THE
CITY COMMISSION'S REPRESENTATIVE TO THE COMMUNITY ACTION
ADMINISTERING BOARD.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on
file in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Rev. Gibson, Mr. Reboso and Mr. Plummer and Mrs. Gordon.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Mayor Ferre.
26, SET TIME AND DATE FOR ANNUAL PUBLIC NEARING ON APPLICATIONS
FOR TRANSFER OF CERTIFICATES OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY
The following resolution was introduce.? by Commissioner Gordon, vho
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-237
A RESOLUTION SETTING MARCH 25, 1975 AT 3:00 P.M. FOR THE SEMI-
ANNUAL TAXICAB HEARING.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote-
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A, Ferre NOES; None,
NOTE; Mayor Ferre entered the meeting at 2:50 P,M.
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1
27 RETAIN LOUIS LAUREDO AS ADM I NYEARAATVi .AAA I SPtANR YEAo THE MAYOR
FO
ayor "erre: Louis Lauredo has gotten a job at rtU. tt is a grant from
the Knight Foundation 'for the purposes of studying the Latin comMunity:
He works deligently after hours for the; he comes in on his own tithe without
any pay.
Mr. Plummer: Efixcuse me, Mr. Mayor, no one has questioned it.
Mayor Ferre: Let me explain the full intent of it. Saturdays and Sundays I
ask him to go represent me at many affairs where he is representing me and the
City through me and he wants the formality of being an assistant to the Mayor
and remaining with that title at a dollar a year. I frankly don't see anything
wrong with it. He won't be covered by any insurance; he doesn't get any pension
benefits, and I want to so stipulate.
Mrs. Gordon: Does the Manager have any objections?
Mr. Andrews: No.
Mrs. Ok.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-238
A RESOLUTION A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY
MANAGER TO RETAIN LOUIS LAUREDO AS ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT
TO THE MAYOR FOR A PERIOD OF ONE (1) YEAR BEGINNING MARCH 1,
1975 AND ENDING FEBRUARY 28, 1976 FOR THE SUM OF ONE DOLLAR
(#1.00) PER YEAR.
(Here follows body of resolut:ion, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
3[
MAR 12S
8, PUBLIC HEARING _ CITY OF MIAMI 1974-5 APPLICATION FOR2
HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ACT OF 1974
Mayor Ferre: This is a public hearing to consider the City of Miami
74=75 application for the housing and community development act of 1974,
This being a public hearing, the public of course is entitled to speak,
Last time we met there was some controversy, I want to thank my colleague
Vice -Mayor J.L. Plummer, and the commissioners who had a fruitfull meeting
and that most of the problems have been worked out. I would like to know
who the speakers will be this afternoon. One, ---two, I would hope
you will keep your words down to the absolutely necessary.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor may I read this memo which I thought we had a
general concurrence on. This is addressed to the commission, signed by me,
I would like to read the memo, 'This is to inform you that on March 4
1975, a meeting was held with Commissioner Theodore Gibson, Commissioner Rose
Gordon, City Administration, chairpersons of the Community lev. Task force and
myself. At this meeting the proposed programs in budget for this year's application
as submitted by the administration was discussed in the programs as now outlined
were approved in the concept by the chairpersons prior to the final approval
by this commission today', and I thought that was the consensus when we left
wasn't it Annette?
Mayor Ferre: I hope you understand what is going on here, and for those
of you that aren't following it, Mrs. Eisenberg is a community leader, in every
sense of the word.
Mr. Plummer: There are those that will argue.
Mayor Ferre:----but you are not one of them,
Mr. Plummer: I did not say that.
(laughter)
Mayor Ferre:---and she was involved in all of these discussions and
we thought that all the chairmen had come to an agreement, which I understand,
but since this is a public meeting, the public is entitled to speak.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor in all honesty and no in jest, the main purpose
of that meeting was so that the public in fact could speak, that we resolved
all of our differences and problems with the chairpersons and the task force
committees before we open it to the'public, and I think in all f airneso unless
I spend a lot of time in that meeting in preparing, that we should hear from
the public because we have already heard from the individual committees so
I leave it at that and you do what you want.
Mayor Ferre: I realize what you are saying but I think our policies
have been, if somebody wants to speak at a public hearing that we have got
to let them. They have that right. I am going to recognize you, and please
keep it to the point, brief so we can move on.
Mrs. Eisenberg: We ate not disputing the application Mr. Plummer
because we heard the good fathers' words, this year, don't come
back to us next year, so we are going to rely on the commission
Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute, I don't want you putting words in Father's
mouth.
Mrs. Eisenberg: Father, am I putting words in your mouth?
Mr. Plummer: I think I heard Father gibson say that them that got this
year, don't necssarily mean that they are going to be with us next year.
Mrs. Eisenberg; I concede. We are here today because of the letter
that you accepted from Mr. Nathaniel Dean at the meeting, and because
Mrs, Gordon at that meeting asked the Manager if he could come back today
with a set amount of money to carry out the 'stop' program you have in front
of you.
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Mr. Plummer: That was part of the deal, but not to ba interjected
tt6t in any way taken from the C,b. money,
Mrs. Eisenberg: Where the money comes froth we ate not particular, as
long as it is dollars and cents. I want to go on record because I was a controversial
person last meeting to say that what you people committed yourselves for primarily
asking for 5 representatives from each of the C D meeting, C.D areas to sit with
your planning department during the year to help in the proposal for next year
is encouraging. It gives us hope for the future, and we will go along with that,
Mayor Ferret Good for ---
Mrs. Eisenberg: Mrs. Gordon you have our program here now, could we have
some word whether the money has been found Mr. Manager.
Mr. Andrews: The money at this point in time has not been found. That
doesn't mean we might not find it.
Mr.Plummer: I am going to take care of that in the form of a motion, but
get that involved in here.
Mrs. Eisenberg: Brief enough?
Mayor Ferre: Yes,
Mrs. Eisenberg:I said nice things today.
Mr. Plummer:No, not brief enough.
Mayor Ferre: Who is the next sd eaker,
Unidentified person: Mr. Mayor and members of the commission, I must
apologize, I am chairman of the Park area and I was not able
to attend the meeting you had in planning, and I was kind of mislead about this
meeting today, not from you people but
Mr. Plummer: So the record will not be incorrect, Mr. Parades, who was
the speaker and represented himself as the task force chairman from Culmer?
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Dean?
Mr. Plummer: He spoke for your group?
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Matthew Schwarts?
Unidentified person: No, Mr. Roberts.I want to make one comment, we
are satisfied with the package thus far but far as technical assistance in
planning we still have questions and whether or not anything can be done
about it at this point, I am hopeful it can be, but I would like to say this
to you, we the members of the Culmer Park task force,when thought in terms
of technical planning and assistance, I would like to recall to attention
again that it.was this commission wherein that this, the Washington Heights
group came before this commission asking for 74,000 dollars and since they
being a part of our particular task force, that what we did was that we
allocated certain money to them. This commission said they would give to
this group from some means $40,000. so we say that we would give the group
$50,000. Now, between it is narrowed down to be $25,000. A plan of this
nature that we are talking about and I have the proposal in front of me here,
we can't see that nowhere conceiveable this can be carried out, with $25,000.
that is allocated in the C.D. funds and one of your recommendations too, I think
the Manager, ---some of the money would come from out of theC.D, package for this
proposal, and this is why we came up with the sum of $50,000. because there was
no money available whatsoever for this proposal, but now it is cut back $25,000,
and we can't see anyway possible that this can be carried out unless--- --we
see it as total failure unless we get this kind of money,
Mr. Plummer; I shouldn't be answering this, the Manager should, but
he is tied up, you are speaking as I understand it, to the money allocated
for the planning. Okay, let me tell you what obviously your chairman, or who
represented your area during this meeting has not told you you, that in fact
the initial amount of money will be forth coming from the first year's allocation,
that once this commission commits itself to that amount or to that planning,
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than in fact we are Pot going to drop you in the middle, and I think !lose
we discussed we would make a motion to that intent today, that we would see
the funding of this program through. but you in fact did not reed the cotfiplete
$50.000. in the first year's allocation. Does that answer you 'question? Mt.Andrews
do you concur with that?
Unidentified person: It answers my question but as 1 understood it, that it
initially would take $74,000.to deal with the package. Mr. Middlebrook can
go further with that.
Mr, Plummer: That is the thing to be negotiated as far as the cost
involved.
Unidentified person:What happened was, first of all, the Washington Heights
group came before this commission. They asekd for. $74,000. The commission said
they were looking for $40.000. for this proposal, so Mr. Ferre addressed the
question to Mr. Andrews to find these monies through some way. One of the
ways was the C.D. package.
Mr. Plummer: No, we have, what I am telling you is, that in the
first year's allocation of money, there is from .the C.D. money $35,000.
to initiate this study. The 2nd and other years will be funded either from
C.D. money or some other source. The only point that we have any disagreement
with at this time is the total amount of money that cound be spent by the
City. In other words, what 1 am saying is this, the administration might come back and
say no, that study should not exceed $55, or 60 or $80,000. dollars. What you have
proposed is a cost factor. It is not necessarily what the administration will say
is a cost factor. We are committed to see this through to completion.
Mayor Ferre: Let me recognize Mr. Joe Middlebrook on the same subject.
Mr. Middlebrook: On the matter of the dollars we have been meeting with
the administration trying to resolve how this could be approached. IN our meeting
it has been suggested that we come up with more definitive statement that what
will be done, which we did, it was suggested that for each one of the individual
work statements we had within the work element themselves, that we ought to
attach a dollar cost, which we have done and submitted to the administration.
We have also given some suggestions insofar as how the seven different elements
we have could be prioritized, insofar as when we start and what we do when we
start. We realize that there is still room for negotiation but in all of this
it would still be impossible, we think and I still think, and indicated this
this morning with the manager to do very much of anything with $25,000. but
we could understand the idea of indicating by resolution your commitment to
go forward but in order to establish a budget from which we would have to pay
people to do this, it would be impossible to do if the dollars weren't actually
there.
Mayor Ferre: Let me interrupt you at this point and add this. The
task force met and they considered all these things, and they came forward
as I understand with the specific recommendation of an allocation of $50,000.
Is that correct?
Mr. Middlebrook: Correct,
Mayor Ferre: Now, this $50,000. has been cut down to $25,000. is that
correct?
Mr. Middlebrook: Correct,
Mr. Plummer: No, it is not correct Mr. Mayor. It has been cut down in
the first year's allotment.
Mayor Ferre: I stand corrected, this $50,000. has been cut down to
$25,000. in the first year's allotment. It will be funded further from next
year's allotment, from additional funds. I stand corrected all the way. That
does not change the premise, that you think you still feel that that is not
sufficient for you to carry out your commitment successfully because you have
to hire the people, the University of Miami just can't go out and do these
things in an arbitrary way without working in an established regimented form
that the University of Miami has to do and make commitments for the people
that have to be hired for this program, The question is whether or not we
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are going to get on with this thing or we are not going to get on with
what you ate telling ua, put it tight on the line, is it $25,000. not enough
to do the job, you can't do it for that.
that.
Mr. Middlebrook: We can't do the job which we have indicated for
Mrs. Gordon: YOu can't even begin to program for it.
Mr. Middlebrook: We can't establish a budget to do very much of anything.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Andrews, there is a problem here.
Mr. Andrews: Sure there is, and the Commission finds itself in a very
difficult position because I can't in all honesty and good conscience recommend
that we provide, or that I recommend to you, that $50,000. be alloacted for
this . We have taken a look at some of the work tasks and the number of man
hours we would spend on these work tasks and achieving each one of these
elements, and based on a $20.00 per hour cost factor, we come up with con-
siderably than what they are requesting. Yet we recognize the value that will
come from such a review and having a planner for the Washington Heights area.
I am not prepared to recommend to you we expend more than $25,000. If you
go beyond that, you are doing it without the recommendation of the City Manager.
Mr. Plummer: I guess I was trying to avoid saying that there is a
healthy disagreement between the cost factor, between what has been given
as a cost factor and the administration.
Mr. Andrews: Yes,
Mr. Plummer: You feel that the budget can be cut and still have chained
the same end result.
Mr. Andrews: And I think it can be phased in with what we are planning
to accomplish under the comprehensive plan. I recognize that Mr. Middlebrook
is at a disadvantage in that he doesn't have all the work elements that are
involved in the comprehensive plan, andthere is much that we are going to do
there, and he and I discussed this in which he plays a different role than
they visualize in this application.
Mayor Ferre: Let me put it this way Mr Andrews, and I just speak for
Maurice Ferre, as one voice on the commission. I happen to think that absolutely
the most blighted, the worst part of this community, the part that I am most
ashamed of, the part I least want to show a visitor coming from anywhere in the
world, is the Culmer overtown central area, it is unbelievable. It is hard for
me to believe that when I drive through there that this is really a part of
1975 America. Really it is unbelievable. The only place that I could say come
near that I have seen in the United States is some parts of Harlem and some
parts of the Bronx. I haven't seen anything like that anywhere, not even in
El Paso Texas, or Los Angeles, in the worse slums in California, I have never
seen anything like Philadelphia, Baltimore, Dallas, and I have been in many
cities in this country, and to me, ---it has nothing to do with racial connotation.
It has to do with citizens that live in that area. To me that is the No. 1
target area in this town. I think we have got to do something, we have to do
something dramatic. I don't give a damn whose fault it is. It is not the City
of Miami's fault, we are not H.U.A.---we didn't take all those properties and
clear off all that land and let all those weeds grow back. We didn't make all
those promises that couldn't be kept. It is not the City of Miami's fault but
it happens to be within the boundary of the City of Miami. With all due respect
to Coconut Grove, Allapattah, Edison, Little Havana, Model Cities, everywhere,
that happens to be my No. 1 priority, I can't think of a place that needs more
help than that area, and we have to do something. I'd like to put it this way,
I'd like to say,and I'd like to do it this way, Joe, you are going to have to
trust me and and the commission, and Paul Andrews, that I would like to leave it
on a discretionary basis, with Paul Andrews, let him satisfy you that it can be
done, that it can be done the way he says. But I think there ought to be an alloca-
tion of $50,000. so that if it is needed, it is there and you can pull from that.
And you will know that that is there and guaranteed. That is my personal opinion.
I am sorry,* ----if we have to cut somebody else, it is a question of priorities
and is that simple.
Mrs, Gordon; I agree with you Mr. Mayor that there isn't any more drastically
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run-down, horrible looking area that I have ever seen either, and I don't
get around quite as much, but I do get around. It is terrible. I think you
term it a cess pool where crime breeds and other evils. Maybe We can cut
crime if we had an improvement in the living conditions and in the business
conditions in that area.
Rev. Gibson: You know, I hope Kr. Andrew and the whole staff wil_ hear
me. The time, in 1975, the time has passed when everybody plans for another
set of folk . All the plans you have, we Black folk in Miami, have very
little in -put to those plans. Very little,- - you can't tell me I don't
know what I am talking about, because I am a native, born and raised here,
and I'll venture to say, I'll bet Mr Andrews and the whole staff, dollar to
a doughnut, that when they got all that planned, they got cooked up for,
you know, downtown Miami, ---very few of us were around in the planning.
You know what disturbs me, I am on HUD board, they have all that property
still sitting up there, don't keep it clean, it harbors everything, and the
City isn't saying one damn word about it. I think we ought to serve notice
on everybody, from now on, this is an enlightened age, this is a different
date, I don't want to say what else is in my mind, because I am concerned
about that staff of equal opportunity you just hired. No way in the world you
are going to convince Black folk that you want them in that picture, and no
Black folk on the staff, okay. I think, the Mayor has offered us a compromise
---- a suggestion, hopeful, but I think this commission ought to start thinking
realistically, that you are not going to leave that area blighted as it is. One
other thing, you know I think most guys want to leave it that way so they can
go back and pick up the chips. Don't you know what I am talking about? Come with
me, follow me along, yes, they want to go back and pick up the chips. If Y. am
around here, it will be a little difficult to pick up those chips. So let's go
along like the Mayor said. I want to go along with it.
Mr. Mayor, you are the parlimentarian, you deal with it, but I want this
administration to be eternally aware that these people are not a part of
that plan, and we need to say to the county too, since that is part of the gut
of the City, we need to say to the county, and stop being so doggone polite about
it, that the county ought to ship up or tell us what they are going to do.
And we ought to do that with the HUD board too. Everytime HUD wants something
they come here and they are beautiful, and I have to vote for it, but they
aren't doing one doggoned thing about that area, and it looks like hell, it
breeds all sortsof crime, all those buildings boarded up, they just started
boarding them up, they weren't boarding them up before, and Mr. Manager, you
ought to set that staff of ours out there and kind of take a look-see. h•e need
to address to the county our deep concern, everytime the county does something
----they talk about the bond business, we move on out, ----I thought I had
better put it on the record.
Mr. Plummer: Your name and address for the record.
Mr. Joseph Jackson: I am representative of the central area. We have
from the city a package for a mini -park which is $125,000. I have been told
that the can be purchased and it can be made possible for $100,000.
and I'd like to use the additional $25,000. for this project.
Mayor Ferre: That is a man of quality.
because he just told me the same thing.
Mr. Plummer: I really don't know where
at the meeting the other day.
Mr. Jackson: I was at the meeting.
Mayor Ferre: He is the chairman.
Lopez, I want you to stand up
you all were, why wern't you
Mr. Plummer: As I understand the Manager's proposal was that the money
would not only be for acquisition but for development, and I have to concur,
What good is it to buy a piece of property, if it is just going to sit vacant
and cultivate weeds, that the other $25,000, would go for development. Is that
what Iunderstood Mr. Manager.
Mr. Jackson; We have enough property around. We are used to looking at
undeveloped property, but we still have need for this study, and we have
the need for something to be done to this. Our communities are -----
Mr, plumrn.r;Let me say this, speaking for one, I would rather knock out
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the whole thing if all you ate going to do is acquire the property and put
it towards the planning, -put the whole $125,000, because I sure don't want
this commission to acquire anothet piece of property and lot it sit vacant
as we have block and blocks of them. If you are not going to develop it,
let's don't buy it.
Mayor Ferre: You are going to develop it, aten't you.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor wait a minute, I want the tecord clear that it
was stated at this meeting, and cotcurred by the speaker, $100,000. o' this
money would go for acquisition, or 'approximately $100,000. and the other
$25,000. would be for development. Now if you are going to start robbing
Peter to pay Paul, when the day comes we have the piece of property,
where is the $25,000. to develop it, I don't want to be sitting here, -
Mayor Ferre: I heard you, that is wonderful, but you are missing
something, let's hear it from somebody who isn't Black, you tell them just
what you told me.
Unidentified person: As I heard them talking and I know so needed
in that area, I was thinking that even though our area is the first time
that ever receive any kind of money, any support from the City as such.
I was taking my reputation, in the Wynwood area as you know, and I will
say that between the City of Miami and Dade county we are going to receive
$625,000. and if necessary and they can prove that their plan is appropriate
and those moneys are really needed to do what they have to do, that I will
rescind $25,000. of the money that are supposed to go to my area, and will
be more than glad to,
Mayor Ferre:Do you get the picture of this, that is called
brotherhood,
(applause)
Mr. Plummer: Well Mr. Mayor, let me say this, then I'll shut up, I
am speaking for two people, I am speaking as the man who headed up the
meeting the other day and trying to speak also as an individual, Mr. Mayor
we made a commitment un-registered commitment that this plan would be finished
and I go on record right now, $25,000. of this money from C.D. $25,000.
guaranteed to see it through to its completion, if it has to come from
revenue sharing, where it is from, but I don't think we should deviate anti
I cannot concur with taking the money for the development away from the othere
property. We can get the other $25,000. but not from something that has to
suffer elsewhere.
Mayor Ferre: You have heard from two chairmen, for the record, One is
Mr. Joseph Jackson from the Central area, and you also heard from Aurelio
Lopez of Wynwood,----here are two chairmen from areas who have the vision
thank God to recognize that this area is in such need that they are willing to
bend if they have to, and that is the kind of team I like to play with, and
I am going to put it to you this way, I think what these people are asking
for in Culmer is deserved, it is needed, it is essential, we ought to move with
it, we should not hesitate today, I am sorry I wasn't at that meeting. Three
of your were present, I wasn't able to go, I am sorry. That was not a public hearing
and certainly it did not represent the final action of this commission. I very
with all respects to everybody involved, and many of the chairmen are here
today, I think this is a very important thing, and I think we ought to put it
in the form of a motion, leave it up to the Manager, to figure it out whether
it comes from Wyndwood or whether it comes from Central or some other area, but
the fact is, that we are going to have $25,000. to the Culmer project to see
it through.
Mr, Plummer: Mr. Mayor, if you will include in that some other source,
or from any other source, I will concur.
Mayor Ferre; Any source from within this program,
Mr. Plummer; No, that is why I don't want to limit it, We can take the
$25,000, from the Revenue Sharing and we can take if from many other sources,
but Mr. Mayor the one thing, and it was your instructions that we held these
meetings to go back and hammer this thing out, If you are going to deviate .from
that .resolution,-=---
4.
Mayor Ferre: What resolution,
Mr. Plummer: The resolution of yours, that we go there and hammer this
thing out, you are going to deviate and it fairness you have to heat from
every chairman: Now; I am all in favor of it.
Mayor Ferre: Well, I'll tell you Mr, Plummer, if that is the way it
has to be, that's the way its got to be. That is the way I feel about it,
Mrs. Gordon: I just heard two chairmen, the only two chairmen involved,
in this transaction, concur. And J.L. even though you are right in what you
are saying, but you are not touching any other chairman who are involved.
Mr. Plummer: Rose I just heard Aurelio make a statement that I didn't
think I'd ever hear Amelio make in his life.
Mrs. Gordon: He made it, ----
Mr. Plummer: and I am very'grateful as one, but I don't thinly, that
his area should give up $25,000. when we can take it from some other source.
Mayor Ferre: We are not splitting hairs here. The fact is that obviously
if the Manager finds some other sources and Aurelio Lopez can get his $25,000.
of course that is what he wants. What are we quibbleing about, for goodness
sakes. I am only interested in getting him another $25,000. now, where you
get it from I don't care, but if it is not available in any other source,
it comes out of these sources that are called 1974-75 Housing and Community
Development Act.
Mr. Plummer: I can vote for that.
Mrs. Gordon: I'll move it,
Rev. Gibson: I want to add an addendum to that too. Ihope,----Joe 1 hope
you hear this, I hope that all of these chairmen will also note something about
the planning in that area. You know we can't go this road alone. And the right
hand must know what the left is doing because if that man, he lives in the
middle of the area you are talking about, and your area, okay, if he is
willing to give up $25,000. out of that area, that means that these three
areas, contiguous, I think that is what they mean by 1 ,2, 3 linking on to
each other, isn't that what that is, Mr. Lloyd, you are the lawyer.
Mr. Lloyd: That is right, sir.
Rev. Gibson: I hope, I want you to hear this Joe, ----I hope we aren't
planning in vacuum, and we aren't planning our own thing without a conscious
recognition, that they have a thing too, and that these three things, not
that I want you to run their thing or they run yours, these three things
ought to coincide or fit in with, each other. I am just sick and tired of
treating Miami segments, segments, segments, ---oh God if we could ever come
together, maybe where we spend this kind of money here, you could use that
money for all of us and then we would get the most out of the money. So Joe,
I hope finds you well.
Mr. Middlebrook: I would like to make a short comment in reference
to what we are proposing to do. We are proposing to develop several economic
development stratagies and approaches for the central district. We are not
proposing to develop in a traditional sense a comprehensive plan for the area
and I think that may have been misunderstood by some people.
Mr. Plummer; Joe we discussed that and the only thing that was said
at the meeting was that the two of you should work together, one hand should
know what the other is doing so you are not going off in separate directions.
Mayor Ferre: I hope you heard what he is saying and let me put it in my
words. What he is saying is, that we are sick and tired in this city of having
plans, and plans, and we could paper this town over with the paper that comes
from the plans, and they all remain in books and gather dust and never become
reality. No more plans, let's take the money and put it to work where it
see it effectively, where we see it tangibly. I'd rather have, and this is
a horrible thing to say, for a person in government, but 1 am getting to the
point where I'd rather have secondwclass planning and first-class implementation,
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than first' -class planning and no implementation, which is what we have a
record of having around here.
(applause)
Mrs. Gordon: The motion then was to budget $50,000. fat the Overtown
area study for this year, and the sense of the motion Mr. Plummer wanted
to include in that if an alternate source can be found, okay, if not, those
moneys come from - -`I'd rather leave that out. I think I'll make the motion
that we budget $50,000. to Overtown, for the plans.
Mr. Plummer - the Manager find the money.
Mayor Ferre: And if he eoesn't find the money from any other sources
that they come from the Housing and Community Dev. Act.
M TION OF IN (VT z0 A(� UNDS AVAILABLE.
29. O,JOO FOR LULME KOJD G LIN THE OVERTOW ppEA OF THE CITY
HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EVE OPMENT ACT OF 19/4
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gordon who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-239
A MOTION OF INTENT TO FIND AND MAKE AVAILABLE FUNDS
IN THE AMOUNT OF $50,000. FOR THE "CULMER PROJECT"
IN THE OVERTOWN AREA OF THE CITY IN THE APPLICATION
FOR FUNDS UNDER THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
ACT OF 1974
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
30, SUBMIT GRANT APPLICATION U,S,DEPT,OF HOUSING & URBAN DEVELOPMENT
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-240
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO
SUBMIT A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
SERVICES FOR A ONE-YEAR PERIOD; FURTHER AUTHORIZING THE CITY
MANAGER TO ACCEPT THE GRANT AND EXECUTE CONTRACTS NECESSARY TO
IMPLEMENT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote-
AYES; Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev,) Theodore Gibson
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Vice Mayor Jot. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A Ferte.
NOES: None,
UNIVERSITY OF THE STREEIS iigE or AREA
31. IMPLEMENT PROPOSAL: RESIDENT FOR PURPOSE OF ADDRESSING CRIMES
AND TO FUND ACTIVITY TO OCTOBER 1, 1975
Mr. Plummer: Mr, Mayor I would like to bring up at this time a proposal
set forth by the community development task force of the Edison -Little Rivet;
of the proposal as it addresses itself to the University of the Streets, in
which they would use area residents for the purposes of addressing crime and
other problems, they have set down and addressed themselves to the amount of
$75,000.---i have read this program and have had it explained to me in depth
and at this time I would like to make a motion that we instruct the Manager
to immediately implement this fund with whatever is needed to carry it forth
to October 1 at which time additional funding will be adc'ed to complete the
program. This program I think is a tremendous thing and I would like to offer
that in the form of a motion'that the funds needed between now and October
will be forthcoming, and at Cct. 1 whatever is needed to complete the program
will be so found.
Mr. Andrews: The only possible source is to examine the federal revenue
sharing funds to determine if there are any surpluses or any money that had
been earned through interest and that would be the only source. I haven't completed
it.
Mr. Plummer: That is why I left it in the broad latitude and I didn't
say where you take it from, all I am saying is, find it.
Mr. Andrews: But if I don't find it from thatsource, then I want the
commission to understand that there is no way to fund it at th;s time.
Mr. Plummer: I am not going to accept that.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Andrews, Mr. Plummer's motion was quite loose, even
in the amount of money for the balance of this year for the implementation
of it, considering that they were already in the month of April, recognizing
that, it provides you with less of a problem, of the amount you have to find
so I just want to call that to your attention. You considered that Mr. Plummer
when you made the motion the way you did.
Mr. Plummer: The concern is for the summer.
Mrs. Gordon: Of course,
Mr. Plummer: That is the thing we've got now, part of March, April
and May to find the funds to get this program in its implementaton because
it basically, as far as I am concerned, is going to be addressing itself to
helping the community of June, July August and part of September, and by that
time we will already be to budget to where we can follow through and finish.
All I am trying to do is keep a hot summer, cool.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-241
A MOTION INSTRUCTING THE CITY MANAGER TO IMMEDIATELY
IMPLEMENT A PROPOSAL BY THE UNIERSITY OF THE STREETS
TO USE AREA RESIDENTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADDRESSING
CRIMES AND OTHER PROBLEMS IN THE CITY, AND TO FUND
SAID ACTIVITY UNTIL OCTOBER 1, 1975
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Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayot J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
REQUEST MEETING WITH REPRESENTATIME OF METRO HUD PROGRAM
32, TO EXPLAIN4WHY PROPERTY OWNED BY HIM IS BEING ALLOWED TO
CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE
Mr. Plummer: One other motion I'd like to make at this time,
Mr. Mayor, hearing the words of Father Gibson, and if Father, you wish
to make the motion, I'll be glad to acquiesce to you, I think it is important
enough Mr. Manager that we invite to our next meeting a representative of
HUD to come before this commission and tell us, or if they wish, try to justify
why this HUD property is being allowed to go into such a state of disrupt, dispair
----let's get somebody before this commission and get them on record that this
commission is not only fed -up but we are not going to stand still for it, and
we want some action. The only way I know to do it Mr. Mayor is put them in
front of that mike, put them in a public eye, ---
Mayor Ferre: It shouldn't be somebody, it should be Mel Adams.
Mrs. Gordon: Right,
Mr. Plummer:If Mel is not available ont he 25th,
Mayor Ferre: No, no, no, will all due respect to somebody 3rd
down the line, he is going to send somebody who doesn't really have,
the top guy is the guy to make the decision. If it is important enough to
have him here, let's have Mel Adams.
Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor I suggest you invite the chairman of the board,
and the executive, so there will be no hiding place down here.
Mayor Ferre: I think that is a good recommendation.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-242
A MOTION TO INVITE TO THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING
REPRESENTATIVES OF THE METROPOLITAN DADE COUNTY
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO EXPLAIN
TO THE CITY COMMISSION WHY THE PROPERTY OWNED BY
THE HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS
BEING ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE
Up°n being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was passed
and a;lopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES; None.
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Mayor Ferre: Thank you ladies and gentlemen.
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission, just so we don't
have a misunderstanding, the motion or resolution that you adapted) the
resolution that was in your books, and I want to read it so there is no
misunderstanding, "a resolution authorizing and directing the City Manager
to submit a grant application to the U.S. Department of HOusing and Urban
Development to provide community development services for a one year period
further authorizing the City Manager to accept the grant and execute the
contracts and agreements necessary to implement a community development
program",
Mr. Plummer: --correct,
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor would you please make a public announcement that
this application will be filed with the City Clerk so that anyone who wishes
to see the total application may do so at the City Clerk's office.
Mr. Plummer: --so announced,
Mr. Andrews: ----would you make the announcemen, as Mayor, that our application
will be on file with the City Clerk so anyone has the opportunity to review
it.
Mayor Ferre: So announced,
33, PERSONAL APPEARANCE: DR, ROBERT J. MENNIS REGARDING PROPOSED
SODIUM VAPOR LIGHTS IN KENNEDY PARK
Mayor Ferre: We have Dr. Robert J. Mennis of Tigertail Associaticn,
and we also have Mr. William Jacoby, Vice President of Tigertail Association
who I will recognize in a little while.
Dr. Robert Mennis: Mr. Mayor I am here as a representative of the
Association and other interested parties in N. Coconut Grove who would like
to inquire about the possibility of some alternative type of lighting in
Kennedy Park beside the sodium vapor variety. There are many objection within
the associatin and residents in the area for that type of lighting, especially
because that particular park is a very integral part of the residential community
adjacent to it.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor the Doctor came to see me the other day and
it was my recommendation that he be placed on the agenda so this could be
heard. The only thing that I do call, --really I think the Manager should
be saying this, --that I brought to the Doctor's attention the other day
that in fact this entire city, it is hoped, by the end of 1976, it might
not be a reality, but hope, that 100% of this city will be lighted with
the sodium vapor lights and I brought this to the Doctor's attention. This
didn't set too well with him, but I think it is only fair when you take this
thing into perspective, that you realize what the total picture is, that this
park at this time, might be an isolated case , but in fact it will be blending
into the entire plan of the City.
Mayor Ferre: Let me ask you this Mr. Andrews, this park is an important
waterfront park used by the public, it is our intention as I understand it,
to also light the other waterfront parks we have, like Bayfront Park, Bicentennial
Park, Pace Park, Peacock Park, so that all of the parks we are considering will
all be lighted. If we don't light Kennedy Park, it would be the exception, rather
than the rule.
Mr. Andrews: Yes, it would be the exception, I might point out to you
Doctor, that this morning the three officers of the Bay Heights Civic Association,
the counterpart to yours were here. I asked them what their feelings were and
they said that they took an official vote, and as I recall the vote was 44 in
favor and, ---
Mr, Plummer:--- -52 people expressed an opinion, four were opposd, 48 were
for, ---
Mayor Ferre:--48 were for the lights, and 4 were violently opposed to them,
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Now I know that brings up some strong emotions because a lot of people object
of having daylight at night. It is just that simple. As usual we end up with a
dilemma here. The buck stops right here. We have to make a derision,
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor there is one other point that hasn't been brought
out that I did bring out to the Doctor, It is not at the point of decision because
this commission has already made a decision, the lights have been ordered, the
fixtures are here and the money has been allocated, and a matter of fart, the
first light was installed and is in the park. Now if this commission, and I
don't want to be the only negative, I want everybody to know all the ramifications
--=-if this commission now vo.:es not to put the sodium vapor, we then have 89,000.
dollars worth of fixtures that will not incorporate in a residential area because
they were special fixtures for this park.
Mayor Ferre: That is all fine, but, we can find places to put those
fixtures, we have Bicentennial Park, that hasn't been fixed, if this commission
wants to change the direction we can very easily do it. The problem I. am con-
cerned with Doctor, is, there are two things, one that your opinion will not
be the opinion of the majority of the people in the residential area, No. 1,
and NO. 2, whether not even if your opinion is against it, whether the best
interests of the public at large of the City of Miami isn't served by having
lights to prevent crime. I may not want lights, because I don't like lights,
but if for example that is going to deter crime in my neighborhood, thon--
I don't like red lights either, I wish I could go through all of them, -.---
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the commission, I don't mean to
interrupt you sir, but you will recall also that the city commission went through
public hearing process with reference to these lights, and you came to the
conclusion and took a definite position that these lights would be used equally
throughout the whole city and we embarked upon that program. I would like to
remind the commission ,----
Mayor Ferre:--and the person who led that objection was Mr. Bondu
who appeared here with a group of people, they stated their case and
after the commission listened to their arguments, still concluded that
this was absolutely necessary and are going ahead with the entire city
wherever we can,
Mayor Ferre:---but, Mr. Bondu was talking about a residential. area.
Mr. Anrews: Yes, sir, ----
Mayor Ferre:--this gentleman is talking about a park,
Mr. Plummer: Then too, something that was done for Mr. Bondu even
thought is just other information, there was through his insistence a
mechanism devised where the light did not throwinto the bedroom windows
but reflected it back out to the street, a shielf, so there was something
accomplished through it.
Mayor Ferre: Let's assume we have an open mind at this point, just
for discussion. Here is what bothers me, if you put lights in a park
what you are really doing Paul is inviting people to use the park at
night, because Bayfront Park has lights, the sodium vapor lights, and
I don't mind walking through Bayfront Park at night, if it was dark, you
wouldn't catch me walking to the library, because I figure if somebody
comes after me, unless he has a gun, I can run faster than he can. I am
still pretty good at running. I look at it that way. If it is dark I am
not about to walk there. If you put lights in that park aren't you in fact
inviting pepple to do that which we don't want, which is walk in the park
at night.
Mr. Plummer: You have to realize at the present time without lights
people are using the park and it is for the safety of those people that
lights are to be installed, as we are in the same manner forcing the
downtown merchants who might not be open to make some kind of provision
so 1 can the advocate's position on that also.
Mr, Andrews; l hope one day we have achieved a point of usefulness of
our public rights -of' -way and parks so they could be used till a late hour of
the evening throughout the whole city.
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Mayor Ferte: Doctor, you see the sense of this?
Dr. Mennis: Yes, I recognize various arguments, 1 just want to voice
an objection even though I don't think is going to be carried fat to that
variety of lighting.
Mrs. Gordon: I have a light in front of my house, and I don't like it
I still see th merits of some of the other aspects of it. It shines right in
my bedroom window,
Mr. Bill Jacoby: My name is Bill Jacoby, I live at 1946 Tigertail. I
don't with to interrupt Dr. Stenis, I just approach because some of the points
I want to make are directly germane to the course of this discussion. 1 am
acting here has a spokesman for the Tigertail Association for our president
Mr. Dennis King and for our board of directors.
The Tigertail Association has resigtered numerous objection of sodium
vapor lamps in this and other parks in this area over the course of the
entire consideration by the city of the sodium vapor lighting. So, I'd like
to point that out. It is not quite the case that the only objections raised
have been those speaking for one or another of the residential groups. We
have strong interest in the overall health and welfare of Miami as a community.
Our involvement and activity with the City plan, not the Grove Master plan,
but the city plan, has been intense, and I want to speak here from a standpoint
of overall community concerns. There are three considerations, three points of
discussion I'd like to bring up here. No. 1 is a very specific, a very narrow
point of discussion, and then I'd like to go from to the more general. Let me
address myself to the problem of crime first, because the only justification
the only rationale for the sodium vapor lights is crime prevention. Here within
this one point also there is a general and specific consideration. I have been
watching the issue of parks for some time inthe city of Miami, as one area
or another of the city comes under deveopment, the issue of parks has come up
frequently and there is a knee-jerk reflex on the part of much of the citizenry
of Miami, --'oh, we don't want a park in this neighborhood, it is going to breed
crime' ---there was an incident in the Coco Plum area last year which received
wide spread coverage in the news whereby a large parcel of land was being considered
for acquisition into the park system . The residents down there opposed it, said
that our back yards are good enough for our kids and we don't care about anybody
else's kids. We will take care of our own kids and nobody else's kids are of
concern to us, and opposed that park on the grounds as I say, I think of a
knee-jerk response, a fear that parks breed crime. The Tigertail association
has interest in the consideration of the kiddies play park on 22nd in the
lot of the old fire barn, under the Banyan tree, I don't wish to get into a
discussion of that now, but here again we are seeing that the residents are
up in arms that the park is going to breed crime, a children's play park, tailored
to interest nobody over age 10 or 12, is going to breed crime. I think that the
attitude of much of our citizenry toward crime in the park is very myopic, ---
Mayor Ferre: What do you mean by that?
Mr. Jacoby: I'd like to explain. The existence of a park may, on occasion
provide a haven for troublemakers, it is true, there is a police problem in some
of the parks in this town, it is true. I don't wish to minimize the problem, say
of Bayfront Park that the Mayor addressed himself to, the idea of walking in
Bayfront Park is a thing that a lot of us would take pause at,it is a sight
of frequent rapes and muggings. It is a hangout for sexual minorities, it is
know around the country if you are a member of the sexual minority and are looking
for a pickup and you are in Washington, you go to Lafayette Park and if you are in
Miami you go to Bayfront, okay, that is a specific problem area and I think you
address yourself to a problem area just as you are addressing yourself to the
Culmer section of the city, with the distribution of these funds.
Let me get on with the specific with Kennedy Park. Iobject the City of
Miami's records department, as to what kind of a problem now exists, what sort
of police problem this park poses. Gentlemen and ladies, for 1974 and 1975
the slate, the police records are absolutely clean. I checked with these, you
are welcome to check with it, ---
Mr. Plummer; Who did you get this from?
Mr, Jacoby; With the records clerk, I called the police deparment of the
City of Miami, There is not one single incident, either of accident or of offense
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on the police records, stemming from Kennedy park for the years 1974 and 1975,
It is a tabula rasa.
Mr. Plummer: You are wrong, your information is wrong. I will bring to
your attention one episode it 1974 and 1 don't mean to bring out gtuesome
figures, but you will recall the incident that took place where the man
was found hanging over the seawall. He was taken from Kennedy park and placed
over the seawall. I am 'using that as a blaring example. It did happen. So your
figures are wrong and I know of other cases, so go from there.
Mr. Jacoby: Okay, going from there if there was some slip-up in the
police records department, that is understandable, but I think that if Bayfront
Park were to pose any significLnt crime problem to the community, there would
be enough instances that they would even creek through the vagaries of the •
police record -keeping and would show up on the record book. But as of now,
I was told it was a blank page. This coincides with my own experience in the
park, I reside on Tigertail so I wish to point out that I am arguing against
the sodium vapor lamps from the standpoint that they will shine in my bedroom
window, --they won't. I am concerned though with what parks do for a community
over the long -haul, and with specific reference to crime. i think we have to
see that parks in their natural state are one of the amenities, one of the
softening factors in a city which over the 20 or 30 year period, mitigates against
crime. A city that is well designed, a city that serves human needs, a city that
has good libraries and ball fields and playgrounds and mass transit and not too
much congestion is the kind of city that minimizes frustration, minimizes congestion
minimizes anger against the establishment that breeds crime. In many broad respects
not only the lighting of the park but in many broad respects to see the kind
of slighting of the importance of parks with specific reference to crime that
is wasting. This counsel, and before the planning and zoning commissions, I
think that is myopic as blazes. That is what I mean Mr. Mayor by myopic.
For us to not to throw everything we can into the development of natural
and anti -urban let's say, anti urban in their esthetic impact parks, is myopia
and is going to enhance the crime problem 20 or 30 years from now. The point is
to make the parks function now, if we are as concerned about 02 or 30 years from
now as we are today, and we really ought to be, then we have to think in these
terms. So much for point No. 1, that I'd like to bring up, crime per se.
Point No. 2, there is a growing body of botanical data, growing, throughout
the country, and 'think the city planners could provide us with some of this
up-to-date data, that the sodium vapor lighting per se, upsets the growth cycle
of trees and plants and stunts their growth. This is one of the unfortunate
instances where the society does not recognize the problem until it goes ahead
and buys enough hardware and implements enough of the gadgetry to begin to
see the problem emerge,just like with S.S.T's and vapor in the upper stratosphere ,
we didn't know there would be there would be a problem until enough of sodium
vapor lighting got used throughout the city, but this data indicates quite strongly
and in some specific areas, well controlled studies have been done. that the growth
of the plants have been stunted and it is not hard to understand that this lighting
in terms of frequency, it mim:Lcs sunlight, the wave length of sodium vapor light
was tailored to mimic sunlight in its frequency, and the plants are responding to
the 24 hour light as if the sun were out all day. It alters their growth cycle
----living organisms live on this diurnal cycle and if it is little kids you
understand this.
Mayor Ferre:Mr. Jacoby, let me tell you what my problem is with that.'
I think this happens to us an awful lot in modern society. We have to deal
with so much knowledge and so much information of things that are coming in
all the time from the television tube and everywhere else, that we are victims
in modern society to the old premise of logic that you and I studied in schools
----ad hoc logic.
Mr, Jacoby: My work, my profession is in the communications game and I know
exactly what you are talking about.
Mayor Ferre: The crow sings his song in the morning, and the sun comes
out, because the crow stngs his song, not the crow, the rooster. So the rooster
comes out, and there comes the sun, that is ad hoc logic, The point is, getting
back to your sodium vapor lights, I have had a lot of people and our people
here tell you that isn't so, Mr, Andrews is saying that isn't so, it seems
logical. Mr. Plummer pointed out something more logical. If it emulated the
sunlight, then what happens it grows more rather than less,
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Mr. Jacoby: Oh, no, that is a simplistic explanation. Vith the human
organism too, if you keep people awake on a 24 hours basis and subject theta
to daylight, you see this particularly when in the growth period, the growth
is stunted. The cyclic goal, diurnal schedule is the same.
Mayor Ferre: Ad hoc logic again.
Mr. Jacoby: No, that is not true, this is simple physiological data
and it relates to living systems, botanical as well as zoological.
Rev. Gibson: I don't want to get into debate about whether you want
sodium vapor light down in the park or not. What is intetsting is I live
where there is one and 1 said to Rose, I wounder if the administration had
taken the pain to study what, is happening to the plants, and not only that,
no, J. L. this is not voo-doo. Let me tell you this, all of you who have not
grown up on a farm, need to go and see, the way do with chickens, is you put
light in the chicken house so the chicken doesn't know when night comes
and day ends, and that is how you maxiumum production of eggs.
Mr. Jacoby: Are you aware Mr. Commissioner that does shorten the life
expectancy of the hens? Hens maintained on that cycle they die earlier, of
course the poultry breeder does not care because it is so cheap for him to
buy chicks, and raise a new generation of chicks to adulthood, that he doesn't
care. He gets everything he can out of them for a year or twoT---
Point No. 3 is the most general of the three points I'd like to make.
The only utility in a park is if it seems like a park. The point of parks within
a community is to provide a breather, a change in pace, a change in emotional
values, to maintain some of the state of nature within the city so you would
have to get in your car and fight traffic for 45 minutes or an hour to get out
and see some trees and grass, that is the whole point of the park. If the park
is going to function, it's got to be as close to the impact of trees and grass
etc. as possible ---let me continue to the other point, ----
Mayor Ferre: Iam going to agree with you in a moment, so we can move on.
Mr. Jacoby: I think the sodium vapor lights in the apperception of most
people, are as much a rape and a violation of that value as would be a complete
bank of neon signs similar to what you see along Los Angeles freeways. This
destroys, ----
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Jacoby, we all got your point, and it is a matter of
opinion, I listened, and I am going to state my opinion, this is just one
voice , I happen to think that you are absolutely correct. I happen to think
that we have very little to gain by putting sodium lights in that particular
park and a lot to lose, and if we keep that park, ----when it first started
was such a beautiful little place because all it was was grass and trees, and
not a lot more. Now we put up, with all due respects , Al to whoever did it,
that horrible brick out -house, which doesn't fit in Florida, --that is fine
for New York of Maine, it doesn't look at all like Florida, ----
Mr. Jacoby: ---and destroys the lines of sight in that half of the park, --
Mayor Ferre: It was done without taste, ---this is my opinion, wasn't
property conceived, it is not well placed, the location of it, it is a monstrosity
----now these lights are going to be nothing but that and what we are going to
end up with is just another park with concrete and brick buildings, and structured
walkways, and lights and we are going to kill the one thing it has which is
a breath of green freshness out in the middle of concrete congestion and automobiles
and I completely agree with that premise.
Mr. Jacoby: So with that premise and summarizing the crime consideration
that there ain't no problems down there, and why get all 'het' up and spend
a lot of money and go in and make a violation where there isn't the problem
in the first place, which is justifying the sodium lights. With that I rest
my case, I think the use of sodium vapor lights in that park is just not justifiable
and would be a violation of what we ought to be working for in the maintenance
of parks.
Thank you.
Mayor Ferre: Amen, what Father Gibson just said,' completely concur with.
Rev, Gibson; I was saying I would rather see us go on a campaign, pleading
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with people of this community, be law-abiding and recognize that othet
people have rights than to spend all that money to put up sodium vapor lights'
After it is all over, we are still people and we ate going to have to learn
to get along.
Mr. Jacoby: Think what you could do with that $89,000. down in the
core city.
Mayor Ferre:As far as I am concerned, I think there are places for sodium
vapor lights.
Mr. Jacoby: I do too.
Mayor Ferre: I think every residential neighborhood should have it.
I think the downtown parking lots, downtown type of parks, where you are going
to have people, I think a neighborhood park 1'.ke this, as much as we consider
green areas, for example Wainwright Park, like Kennedy Park , like some of
these other regional parks, or grees areas, I am against putting them, my
personal opinion.
Mr. Plummer: Right now Iwould have to vote against that Mr.. Mayor, but
let me ask if it is the intent of making a motion, is it intended that lights
will go in equal value but not in the yellow lights, or no lights at all, what
is it, because I have to know what the alternative is,
Mayor Ferre: My I speak to that, ----you have got to have some lights,
and I would put it to a minimum and I certainly Mr. Andrews, if we are going.
out and spend money, and I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, but you know
it is foolish for you to expect me to give you medical advice, and
there are people, if you have problems with your soul,you have to sce
Father Gibson, ---if you come see me I might get you in more trouble, -----I
think we have to be very careful with the money we spend in improving these
parks. They have to be done very carefully. We can't just out and put a brick
out -house like we did in that park and just have somebody, with all due respects
in the department of design,we have to be very sensitive to a very sensitive
community. If we are going to go out and put substitute lights there, --for
God's sakes, let's get somebody who is able to do this with a certain amount
of ability that knows something about lighting, of what we are trying to
achieve. and what we are trying to achieve is, have the minimum impact possible
and have the least offensive lighting system possible for a green park. If this
votes in that direction, we have to have some lights. What I think Mr. Jacoby
and the Doctor and the others expressed is, they want lights but they don't
want these 40 ft. poles that are shining down, ---
Mr. Jacoby: The thing that is one of the most powerful symbols of
the age of technology, the 20th century, these lights fall in the same class
as plastic and carbon monoxide is products of an over -technological era, an
era that is smothering us with technology. If 1 may suggest Mr. Mayor, you
have a man in the City of Miami Planning Department who is tremendously well
versed in the technology of city systems as well as in social needs, Mr. Jack
Luft, and if you find it agreeable to go to the planning department I would
most highly recommend Mr. Jack Luft to work on this, as you know he is intimately
familiar with the Grove from the standpoint both of what is being done to
implement construction in parks and etc. as well as the feelings of the residents
in the area. I recommend Mr. Luft for that sort of study.
Mrs. Gordon: Are we using the park rangers in that park now?
Mr. Andrews: No, not in that particular park .
Mrs. Gordon: Which parks are we using the park rangers?
Mr. Plummer; lam sorry Mr. Andrews, who is the man running around for
the last two weeks in the yellow cart?
Mr, Andrews; We must have just moved him in, but he was not there, ----
Mr. Mummer: He has been there for two weeks,
Mr. Andrews; Mr, Howard informs me they were moved in there three weeks
ago,
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Mrs. Gordon: How many of them are in there.
Mr. Plummer: One.
Mrs. Gordon: How many are in Bayfront Park?
Unidentified person: Four.
Mrs. Gordon: Are they on a total day basis from opening to closing
of the park?
Mr. Howard: No, they are coming in at about 11:00 o'clock, some come
in at 1:00 and work through the evening.
Mrs. Gordon: Are they there through the evening hours?
Mr. Howard: Until 10:00 o'clock.
Mrs. Gordon: For those who don't know what the park ranger is, it
is a person that is wearing a specific uniform carrying a communication
system representing theCity of Miami, riding a tricycle, and I think the
only thing they carry is a club, is that right?
Mr. Howard: Just a flashlight.
Mrs. Gordon: And no communication system?
Mr. Plummer: you ought to see that flashlight.
Mrs. Gordon: You have answered my question, I wanted to know because
people have asked us if we had implemented our ranger program and 'didn't
know for sure.
Mr. Jacoby: I go out of my way when I travel along the shore, to go
downt Bayshore and through the park. The City of Miami police crusies there
I have seen the police car in the park quite frequently, they move in and
out ususally without spending too much time there, the park• is very easy to police
because so much of it is open. The lines of sight run from Bayshore Drive all
the way down to the water with only two canals and foilage along the canals
providing significant hiding area, to it is not a difficult park to police
and I think even under the supervision of the ranger as opposed to police,
I anticipate a continuation of the tranquil and relative uneventful police
record in that park.
Mrs. Gordon: I think the ranger adds to the friendly atmosphere rather
than the police.
Mayor Ferre:Paul, what is your opinion on this.
Mr. Andrews: My opinion is that until we get into a status in this
community in which we can enjoy our parks with the kind of lighting that is
recommended here without substantial police protection, when we can encourage
the public to come in and use our parks without lighting them to the standards
that we have set, that is fine. If we were to design a lighting system for that
park, on the basis that is being described here, I don't know that we need to
put anything in, because I don't think the public would use it. Why burn the
energy to turn on that kind of lighting system unless you are driving by and
like the atmosphere of that park. I dont think the public would use it.
The whole emphasis has been on trying to light our parks, ----the public 1
think has gotten a misconception of the yellow lights and maybe it started
out over dramatizing the crime aspects of it, and the lights, when they were
installed, and you were all there to look at them, I know Commissioner Plummer
was there, the significant thing about the yellow light was two factors, --one,
you could see three and four blocks down the Street where you couldn't see
before,
Mayor Ferre: That is great in a city block, in residential areas. But in
a park like that,► ----I drove by that park and saw the light the other night,
and to me it is ugly.
Mr, Andrews: That is a matter of opinion,
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Mayor Fette: I am saying it is my opinion,
Mr. Andrews: The second aspect of this, whether you like the yellow
light or not, the fact is that we can get over twice the amount of light
per wattage used than we can out of any other fixture.
Mayor Perre: It is a matter of opinion. My opinion is, they are ugly
and there is no place for them in that kind of park. If we have already
bought $89,000. worth of those lamps, we can find places to put them.
Mr. Jacoby: I would think that in this case here, let's not worry
about the problem until we got a problem. If there is no crime problem in
that park now, and if there are incidents I don't know of, certainly we can
all agree it is minimal, it is really minimal compared to crime needs elsewhere
in the city. Why are we worrying about it until we know we have a problem. Let's
let it ride and see what the history of use of the park is,
Mayor Ferre: Let me ask the people from the Stone office. Could those
lamps used at Bicentennial Park?
Unidentified person: We are obtaining the services of a lighting consultant
from New York to come down and talk with us on the whole lighting system within
the park. As you know there are two types of systems that we propose, security,
which is either the sodium lights or they had a metal which gives
better effect on the vegetation and the atmosphere within the park. Those are
two types. The third is the ornamental or lighting we want to have
happen with each major facility within the park so it is feasible that it could
be used, it is our concern that the style of lighting be very well thought out.
Mayor Ferre: Dave, let me put it to you this way, excuse the interruption,
what you are saying is they may be ugly and you don't want them in your park,
why should the people of Coconut Grove take them in their park, see?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor just because I am on the negative side, let me think
maybe I can say this, there is no concern in my mind Mr. Mayor that those lights
can't be used somewhere else. If the Manager does no more than bring them down
and illuminate City Hall, they can be used, so that is really of no concern. My
concern of course, and I get back to basics, is that of safety, and you know I
sitting here recalling all of the statements that were 180°, when it related
to one woman getting raped.
Mayor Ferre: In a commercial parking lot.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor I am not going to argue the point. I am going to
vote the way my conscience tells me and I hope everybody else's conscience
never has to feel a different way.
Mr. Reboso: Mr. Mayor it is my opinion this is my opinion that we should
have these lights in the whole city, 100%, through parks, parking lots,as I said
before, in the whole city.
Mayor Ferre: It is a matter of opinion.
Mr. Jacoby: I think this, as is in many instances, if you permit me, that
there is such a thing as over -kill. I am not minimizing the crime problem, 1 feel
feel the crime problem in Miami, Itake apologies about crime in Miami, but I
think here too, there is such a thing as over -kill .
Mayor Ferre; Mr. Jacoby, we have really talked about this much too long
and I think everybody has an opinion, what I would like to do is get a straw
vote and consensus of opinion on the commission and that the majority feels
one way, fine, whatever the majority wills is what we will go along with, so
let's see what the consensus is here. We have two people who want to leave the
lights the way they are. How do you two feel, do you want to leave the sodium
lights,__
Mrs, Gordon: I am going to ask a question Mr. Andrews and maybe you
will have the answer, how many fixtures were included for that, how many
fixtures are you talking about?
Mr, Andrews; Thirty,-
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Mr. Andrews: You had better explain this Mr. Grimm, you don't meat►
$86,000. for 30 fixtures.
Mr. Plummer: No, that was the total package that put the lights
installation and everything ,
the
Mrs. Gordon: I. wanted to know how many fixtures will
project is finished .
Mr. Andrews: Thirty,--- ---
Mr. Grimm: ---and i do mean $86,000. for 30 fixtures,
and everything you have to do to install them, yes, ----
Mrs. Gordon: How much of the $86,000. have you spent
installation at this point?
Mr. Grimm: It is a lump sum contract, Mrs. Gordon, ---
Mrs. Gordon: How much is in place.
be in place when
counting the fairing
in preliminary
Mr. Grimm: Only one light is in place, but everything has been delivered
we have held up further installation, we had one of these fixtures put in
on MOnday so the commission and anyone else interested could view it, and see
what it was like and we have held up installing any others until this decision
is made.
Mr. Reboso--beside the fact we have a contract we have to fulfill.
Mrs. Gordon: Manolo, did you express yourself before, I was listening
to something,
Mr. Reboso: I want to leave the lights, in fact I to leave the lights
in the whole city. I want to be consistent.
Mrs. Gordon:I can see leaving the sodium vapor lights out, but I cant
see leaving all lights out, I'd like to see deferrment on any further installation
until we have had an opportunity to have Mr. Luft look into an alternate approach
to this lighting problem and I think 06 or 90 days ought to give him enough
time to investigate it, and ther. we see we can't come up with any other kind
of lighting that would serve the needs of the community and the needs of the
park in the area then we can go forth.
Mayor Ferre: I want to get the consensus of this commission to see
how you feel about it,
Unidentified person: Yes, it may be relevant to what you are discussing
on cost, etc., this type of light, 400 pole and lamp set-up, can use
any type of bulb from mercury vapor, sodium vapor, so it is not
a matter of throwing out the whole system if you want to absolutely put the
lights in, it is a matter of changing the particular variety of bulb that is
put in there.
Mayor Ferre: That is not what Mr. Jacoby said ---what he is saying is
that if you start adding these big metal posts in the park, you are changing
the whole sense of the park, so it isn't only the lighting it is the whole
feeling of the park which is already beginning to change, with the brick
out -house and all the other things,
Mr. Grimm: I was wondering if the commission has gone by and seen the
test installation. To begin with, they are terazzo poles, a very fancy terazzo
pole. It is very elaborate lighting fixture with a bronze aluminum mansard roof
on it, --you may say it is ugly Mr. Mayor but it was selected by people to try
and make it more than just a plain street light.
Mayor Ferre: I was afraid I was going to hurt somebody's feelings and
I really apologize for that. An old saying goes, a rose, is a rose is a rose, -----
Mr. Plummer; Mr. Mayor I want this for the record, I want it understood
that if this same consideration is being given to this park,in fairness to
all the rest of this city, you are going to be faced with the same request
from every park in the city, I think you ought to keep that in mind.
Mayor Ferret I think that is a valid point and t concur with it completely.
I think we have to dittinguitwh between for example Sitpson Park, new if somebody
body
cotes here and says they want lights in SimpAon Park, I just don't see it.
I don't see you ought to have lights in Simpson Park, If you are tniking
about Morningside Park, which is a residential park, where they play hall at
night, fine, I'll go along with that. This is my opinion, again, I think that
Bayfront Park ought to be lit, but I happen to concur with Mr. Jacoby and the
Doctor here this it one park I think should remain as close to nature as it
possibly can.
Mr. Plummer: You are aware that Bayfront Park presently has sodium vapor
lights.
.Mayor Ferre: I know, I walk in the park all the time, and don't fear
walking there by the way.Father, what is your opinion on this.
Rev. Gibson: I don't like making my whole life a chemical. I just got
a thing against it. I like to retreat every once in a while. The parks
represent a place to retreat, and I want to defer because I just can't see
the need of putting all the uodium vapor lights, that you are talking about
in a park like that.
Mayor Ferre: That is two and two, I am in the middle. 1 have already
expressed my opinion. I think this is an important enough subject it ought
to be deferred, if that is the sense of what you motion would be, and defer
this matter for further study and really gLt into it, and I think you ought
to have some lighting, but in my opinion it ought to be very carefully thought
out, minimum type lighting, not get in the high sodium type of things. Try
to save what you can, and cone back to this commission as quickly as you can
telling us how much it is going to cost, how we can salvage it.
Dave, you said you are going to have somebody from New YOrk come down
Mere? Why is he coming from New York, isn't there anybody here that can do
these things?
Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor let me say this, in jest, and I hope you don't
think I am critical. If they don't do any better job for us than they have
done in New York, I just wonder,------ I just came back from New YOrk, and
everytime I am glad to get on that plane and get back to Miami. What I am
really trying to say to the commission is, there's got to be enough talent
in this town.
Mayor Ferre: If you are going to go into, for example, arterial by-passing
of your aorta, you are going to Cleveland, that is where it is done, ---you
may want to go see Plummer from the beginning, you may want to the Miami Heart
Institute, but let me tell you, if it were my heart and my lift, I would
go to Cleveland, if I can afford it. The point I am trying to make is, that
lighting, parking lighting specialist is a rare bird. There aren't that meny
people around who know these things. If they happen to be in tim-buc to Arizona,
or New York City, if you got that bird coming down here to look at that park
I would like to see if we shoot him over and talk to, --who's department is
that under?
Mr. Andrews: Under the City Manager. May I suggest that whatever action
you take that you do it my a motion at this stage because we are involved
with a contract, that is one thing, and two that you look to the City Manager
to determine whether Mr. Luft or anybody else in the City is capable of turning
this out to do this.
Mr.Plummer: Under no circumstances are we trying to tell you who to use.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gordon who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-243
A MOTION TO DEFER FURTHER INSTALLATION OF SODIUM VAPOR
LIGHTS IN DAVID T KcENNEDY PARK UNTIL THE CITY MANAGER HAS HAD
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AN OPPORTUNITY TO INVESTIGATE AN ALTERNATE LIGHTING SYST'EH
AND REPORT BACK TO THE COMMISSION ON APRIL 10, 1975
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibeon, the motion taas passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES:
NOES: None.
Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayer J.L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre.
22ND AVENUE & SOUTH DIXIE HIGHWAY
REQUEST CITY MANAGER TO
34► SUBMIT FACTS FOR POSSIBLE ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY
Mr. Plummer: I would like to offer a motion at this time that the
administration prepare a paper for this commission involving all of the
facts proposal of possible city acquisition of the property located
at 22nd Avenue and Dixie Highway. I am not saying to acquire or not to
acquire, but the possibility of this city acquiring of what is commonly
referred to as the Old Community Church property. I think it has tremendous
aspects, it has a community center on it, it has a tremendous parcel of land
and I think this city would do well at least to address itself to the possible
acquisition at this time, which may never present itself again. I would like
to offer that in the form of a motion that the administration prepare a paper
towards that for presentation to this commission, ---just to prepare a paper
which would be all the facts, their thoughts, their recommendation towards
the acquisition of that property, 22 and Dixie Highway , the old church
property.
Mrs. Gordon: I'll second the motion Kr. Plummer, you are asking the
Manager to investigate it.
Mr. Plummer: Just prepare a paper, that is all, of all ramifications.
Mayor Ferre: I'd like to add something to that. As I go around and drive
around Miami and of course I am very conscious of these things. I see key
properties that are very much part of the beauty of Miami, that are really
private properties and some day if they ever get developed, we are going to
feel very bad about it. Let me give you an example, on U.S. 1 where U.S.I
and S. Miami Avenue cross, there is a triangular piece right before you get
to Rickenbacker causeway. Actually it divides Brickell Avenue, west or
south Brickell,--
Mrs. Gordon: I think the Mayor is talking about the sliver between
U.S. 1 and Miami Ave.
Mr. Plummer: That is owned by Stanley Dodd.
Mayor Ferre:There are several pieces around there like that, that are
really key pieces, that are now open space, if they ever get built up, it
would be a sad loss. We have really, we should really go around and
take a look at some of the key properties that we could now buy for 10 to 30
thousand dollars. We could probably negotiate out and put it on some kind
of a schedule someday, as we get some of these funds from community development
or other sources, when we get these 9 million dollars to or three years from
now, we might try to have a line like that church property on 22nd and U,S.1
---there are many.
Mrs. Gordon; That church property would be a very flexible, —
Mr. Plummer; You'd better believe it.
Mayor Ferre; There is a motion and a second,
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner PluMMet who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-244
A MOTION REQUESTING THE CITY MANAGER TO SUBMIT TO THE
COMMISSION IN WRITING ALL THE FACTS SURROUNDING A PROPOSAL
FOR CITY ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 22ND AVENUE
ANW SOUTH DIXIE HIGHWAY
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissicner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
35, REQUEST CITY MANAGER TO
CONDUCT SURVEY
KEY PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO ARTERIAL
SFTuREuERETSp�INRCHi1SECF R PEIVPSPtiCELE
DEVELOPMENT
Mayor Ferre: Will somebody offer a motion that the administration over
the next few months consider a survey of key properties that the City might
eventually buy along arterial highways and other areas, that might be of
importance for the future beauty of the city.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-245
A MOTION REQUESTING THE CITY MANAGER TO CONDUCT
A SURVEY OF KEY PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO ARTERIAL STREETS
IN THE CITY OF MIAMI'WHICH MIGHT EVENTUALLY BE PURCHASED
FOR OPEN SPACE DEVELOPMENT
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
PERSONAL APPEARANCE:
36, GEORGE MIHALY
REQUEST FOR WAIVER OF FEES FOR SUNDAY
MORNING SOFTBALL LEAGUE-GRAPELAND HEIGHTS
WEST END PARKS
Mayor Ferre: We will go on to Item 16, George Mihaly on the Sunday morning
softball league, regarding waiver of fees for Grapeland Heights Park and
West end park,
Would you read into the record the letter from Judge Arden Siegendorf
and then proceed?
Mr. George Mihaly; ----"Dear Mayor Ferre, It has been brought to my attention
that the City of Miami has imposed a fee of $20.00 per month for use of softball
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facilities by the Sunday Morning Adult Softball League, This league
has been using various City parks for Sunday tnotning softball games for
approximately 20 year without fees. The imposition of this fee is a
great inconvenience and not justifiable under present circumstances.
The park for people program h'is been adopted to encourage rather than
discourage the use of parks. O:ir parks and recreation program are; and
should be supported by ad valo;.•em taxes. The imposition of user fees
on top of property tax for this program is . Your
consideration of this request to waive this fee is sincerely appreciated.
Signed, Judge Arden Siegendors."
Mr. Plummer: The immediate question that always comes up, yes,
ad valorem tax should pay it, yes, it should be used by the people who
pay the ad valorem taxes, are all of the people who use it city taxpayers?
That same question always comes up. It is the gut of the issue, take it
from there,
Mr. Mihaly: My question on that would be, --how about the people who
come from all parts of town to play on city parks at night.
Mr. Plummer: That doesn't cost the city any money.
Mr. Andrews: They should be charged. -
Mr. Plummer: Paul, somewhere we have to resolve this thing. It keeps
coming up and up, and the sane question always after an hour of converstaion
gets down that it is not being used by taxpayers who pay the taxes, this
thing has to be resolved somewhere.
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor, may I ask Mr. Howard expound also when he
discusses this on the fact as I understand it, that there is more requests
for use of park facilities than we have park facilities to accomodate, far more.
So we are using parks.
Mr. Plummer: I'll tell you what I am more interested in hearing and Mr.
Howard can address that, how much does it cost the city to provide this? If
we didn't provide it, if they didn't play there, the city would be ahead
by x number of dollars. Address it to that too.
Mr. Howard: You can't measure it in that, but there is a lot of cost
going into the field, however there are in this league, summer league, 11
out of 13 manager are not city residents. They are paying $10.00 for
each field, so we cooperated with them to the utmost of our abilities in
making it available to them. They are paying $20.00 for two fields, for about
120 men on the rosters which is very nominal. The field is maintained by the
city , we are now in the process of renovating all of the fields, rebuilding
them completely, we have now a waiting list of about 15 leagues trying to play
on our fields, we have a total of 14 other leagues paying as much as $180.
a month, they are making money.
Mr. Plummer: Let me ask this question, there is no question. we have
a different between who pays the bills and who don't pay the
bills. Is there any consideration been given to a system where a team is
made up of city tax payers that they get a priority before the teams who
don't. Has that been given any thought.
Mr. Howard: We haven't brought it up yet, but we have where each man
on the team being a non-resident would have an additional fee. We don't
have that now because they haven't differentiated between a resident and
non-resident. But in all of these leagues it is very hard to have all
city of Miami residents, but in any case this is a privately run league.
It is not sponsored by the City of Miami, but the majority of the players
do not live within the City limits, I don't see why we should support
this league, It is not sponsored by a league, it is not conducted by the
recreation department. We do offer services for it, there are administrative
costs for it, and the fee is very nominal, Other people have been paying these
fees, we haven't received one other complaint on a fee from 14 other leagues,
Mr, Andrews; Could you accomodate leagues in place of the one that is
here and pay this fee and have no complaint?
Mr, Howard; Yes, we could do it tomorrow, We have a waiting list,-=
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Mt. Andrews: I think these people have a choice, We wili give them
first preference to eithet pay the fee or we will accomodate someone else
who is willing to do so.
Mr. Mihaly: Can 1 ask this one question, on this over here, we do
not use any of the park facilities of park employees or anything, ----we
don't use any lights and we use our own equipment. All we do is use the
field itself,
Mrs. Gordon: Are you a resident of the City of Miami.
Mr. Mihaly: No, I am not,.but I have my business right here in town.
Mr. Plummer: What they arm really trying to tell you, and t have
heard this story for 5 years, what they are trying to tell you by virturc
of letting you play there, conceiveably, you are depriving a taxpayer who
does pay the bill. That is what they are telling you. I don't have to agree,
you don't have to agree, but what he in fact is telling you, the man who is
paying the bill could conceiveably be denied access to his own park. Am
I right or wrong?
Mr. Mihaly: Do you have to live in the City or can you have a business
in the City?
Mr Plummer: I am not saying that, ---I am saying that you have a business
in the City, you are one, and he has a business in the city, that is two, but
what we are talking about, when you talk about ad valorem taxes, these con-
ceiveably are the people who pay the bill. This is a misnomer, because it
isn't true. Ad valorem taxes in the City only amout to 27% of the operating
revenue, so take it from there, but what we are saying is I am sick and tired
of hearing this argument. I have heard it for five years. This city has got
to stand up, have the guts to establish a policy, and live by it, whatever it
is ---I don't care. I am sick and tired of hearing how many residents go in
the Marine Stadium and now many non-residents go in the Marine Stadium, how
from Broward county go into the Orange Bowl, ---this is what it gets blown out
to. We have to establish a policy and move.
Mayor Ferre: Let's make a decision and move. I agree with Plummer in
this case.
Mr. Mihaly: Your Honor, I think the main point of this whole discussion
is being missed. You don't seem to understand that we are not using any city
facility, aside from a vacant lot.
Mr. Howard: That is not a vacant lot, it is a ball field that is reserved
for them.
Mayor Ferre: If you are not using a city facility, then.
Mr. Mihaly: I'll change that, we are using a vacant lot, a ball field,
we provide our own equipment, our own umpire and bases,
Mayor Ferre: Let me ask you a question so I understand it. How many
people are involved in this program?
Unidentified person: ----about 200,---
Mayor Ferre: Of the 200, how many are honest -to -goodness citizens of
Miami?
Unidentified person: Over half, we have many Blacks and many Cubans
in our league.
Mayor Ferre: You say more than half are residents?
Unidentified person; Well over half,----
Mayor Ferre; Now, for every one that is not , the 30 or 40 percent
that are playing on our ballfield are not, are you depriving somebody from
the City of Miami from using that ballfield,
Ma, Mihaly; Has the city of Miami ever received a request by any league
to play Sunday morning from 9:30 in the morning till about 12?
Mr: Howard: We could fill out fields from 8:00 o'clock it► the Morning
right up through evening when the lights go out 7 dayt a week with the number
of requests we have for the fields and the number of leagues that would
like to participate and some of them have been waiting as long as year because
the fields have been reserved.
Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor, I understand your problem, ---I used to play
3rd base, you don't know that,
Mr. Mihaly: I happen to need a 3rd base.
Rev. Gibson: You'd better hire me. You know it is interesting, let's
assume that we don't use our umpires, and we aren't using any lights, I want
to tell everybody that ever so often that field, that diamond, needs to be
refurbished, lined, graded, I just want you to know, --I am not knowledgeable
about a lot of other things, but that Dixie Park out there, I go many thumbs
split with baseballs. so I know the man has a valid argument about what he
is saying there.
Mr. Mihaly: Then can I ask him, the reason why the tennis court.,
the basketball courts are not charged? Why must the men who work all week
and look forward to two hours of recreation on a Sunday morning, old frustrated
ballplayers like myself, cannot have the opportunity to play.
Rev. Gibson: The day we find out that the citizens who, like Plummer,
now, -----allegedly pay that bill, are being overwhelmingly denied the use
of the facility for they have paid, that very day, I hope we come back here
and deal with tennis courts the same way we are dealing with softball courts.
Mr. Mihaly: Are we going to be the vanguard then?
Rev. Gibson: The shoe is on your foot now, and when it gets on their
foot, we are going to start lacing up that shoe. Understand?
Mr. Mihaly: Yes,
Mayor Ferre: We have to come to some kind of conclusion now.
Mr. Howard: The charge of the fields was passed b y ordinance here
to all the groups and all groups have been paying accordingly. The fields
are maintained as a matter of fact, where we have done every field except
Peacock and West End, and we are in Peacock this week, we are into West
End next week. We can't get a chance to repair our fields because they are
used so much.
Mayor Ferre: The reason they are used so much is that we have 9, 10
or 11 fields and the City of Hollywood which is 1/5 our size has 18.
Mr. Howard: Not really Mr. Mayor. The fields in Hollywood are cosponsored
with the schools, We have very few school fields, unfortunately, to utilize.
True, we could use more fields, no question about it, but, everybody that is
reserving a field has exclusive use to that field so no one else can use
it and that is a service that we affording to this league and other leagues
also. The fields are maintained.
Mr. Mihaly: Excuse me, I am sorry, those fields are never maintained.
We have to fix it up. Many times when it rains, no way has those fields been
maintained on Sunday morning.
Mr. Howard: We have men in there now, on the week -ends in the parks
for the first time, we have had this the last 6 months, There are personnel
on duty in the parks on Saturday and Sundays now, The field is maintained, it
may not be maintained when you are playing ball but it is still maintained,
and now it is being rebuilt.
Mr, Plummer: Mr, Mayor I am so fed up of hearing this I don't know what
to do, Let me offer you a solution, the solution being that the Parks Dept,
go back and meet with the people involved, not just you, but all people
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involved* and come up with a recommendation of a policy of this city and
lefts stick to the policy. I am so tired of hearing this. t thought the other
day when we voted on this tennis thing, where me made one fee for residents
and one for non-residents. You know what we are doing to the people who have
to collect those fees. We are snaking policemen out of them, --'you got a voter
registration, ----you got a tax and license,- you are makin policemen, let's
somewhere along the line establish a policy . After 5 years Iam sick of
hearing it.
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the commission. We do have a policy,
tt is working. We have 25 or so leagues using the fields, a rate is established,
no one has complaint at this stage, that we are being unreasonable, we are trying
to do a good job of maintaining them. We have one league here asking for a reduction
or elimination of fee and I don't think on that basis that is justifiable to change
the whole system.
Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor I am going to say something that is not popular.
Those of us elected, ---we made a choice, I spoke about this drug clinic, we
made a choice, and fortunately, nobody forced that choice on me. I hate to be
hard and cold about it, but my brother, --you love us, I know you do, you
could make that choice.
Mr. Plummer: You have your choice, if you want to play there, you pay the
fee. If you don't want to pay the fee you don't play there is what he was saying.
I'll never forget, and I am not going to mention names, a man came up here one
time and stood in front of that mike with all sincerety and made the statement
that the kid didn't have 25c to play tennis, the price of a coke. We .:re talking
about 20 bucks a month.
Mr. Mihaly: That is not the question, because we have to dig up the
money from our own pocketbooks.
Mr. Plummer: You drink more than than in beer.
Mr. Mihaly: You do, I don't.
Mayor Ferre: The chair is going to rule that this discussion has
gone far enough, unless somebody wants to make a motion, contrary, I am
going to cut off all discussion with this final statement. I think you
get the consensus of the commission. I hate to say no, I'd rather be able
to say yes. It is a serious problem and it involves others and yourself.
I think the recommendation of Commiusioner Plummer is a wise one, that the
Manager should review the whole policy with all affected, and come back and
advise these gentlemen and others if they want to be heard again after you
have made your survey.
Mr. Andrews, I think in your survey you should also include the possibility
of building a lot more baseball fields, and I'll tell you why. We live in a
community that is basically made up 50% of Latin population and 25% Black.
Baseball is a Latin sport and a Black sport, it is also an American sport, but
I think you will have more use of a baseball field than you would such things
as squash courts, or tennis courts or what have you. I am not against tennis
courts, I think they are great but I think baseball fields will serve more
people than would any other sporting facility in this community right now.
I think you ought to look into that.
Anything else has to be said on this item today? I don't think we
need a resolution on this.
Thank you for your patience for sitting all afternoon. I
couldn't please you, I hope someday we will be able to please
that works out.
37. MISCELLANEOUS DISCUSSION-1Provisions for Handicapped . 2.
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you in a why
Boy Scouts Jamboree,.
Mrs. Gordon: I have asked for information from time to time regarding the
program for the handicapped and I know you have a very active program going.Can
you advise me where your major program is located.
Mr. Howard; At Flagami, and also in the Legion Park .
Mrs. Gordon: Children, or just adults?
Mr. Howard: NO, it ranges from chronological age and phisical age
are a little different here, but all the way up to 50 years old ,.
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Mrs. Gordon: But you keep them in one park ores?
Mr. Howard: No, we have them going around -the main headquarters
where the activities are is Flagami.
Mrs. Gordon: Are you servicing a large number there?
Mr. Howard: About 400,---
Mayor Ferre:---400,
Mr. HOward:-------400 different who are handicapped in one way or another.
Mrs. Gordon: I wanted to ask you, because this morning we moved
and passed the application for a $10,000. grant. What are you going to
be using that money for?
Mr. Howard: For program equipment and additional staff. This will
reimburse the program we started in the handicapped. We already began
a program, this will help defray the expenses of that.
Mrs. Gordon: That means you can't offer any new, ---
Mr. Howard: Oh, no we will be offering new programs. It is already
budgeted within the city budget.
Mrs. Gordon; I happen to be interested in grants and funds that are
available through the sources of money that are not coming into the coffers
now in regular fashion unless they are applied for. I am sure you ate interested
in this kind of thing. Have you investigated to see what programs we could
apply for, how much money we could get and what those programs might be.
Mr. Howard: Very much so, we are working very closely with Mr. Baldwin
now in trying to secure additional funds for the handicapped.
Mrs. Gordon: Would you be kind enough through Mr. Andrews to furnish
us a list of the kinds.of grant money that are available that you, would,
whether you are applying or not, if you are applying for them let us know,
if you are not, a reason why not, if it is not too much trouble if you already
know what that is, or maybe you don't know what that is, I know there are a
great number, I would take a guess there are 50 different programs you may
be able to draw upon. Am I right.
Mr. Howard: Yes, I'll get the Lnformation.
Mrs. Gordon: Thank you very much, Mr. Andrews may I have your attention
for one minute please. t have asked Mr. Howard to furnish me and the other
commissioners and the Mayor with some information with regard to the kind of
programs, fund moneys, grant moneys that are available for this city for
handicapped people and for other programs of recreation and education, ---I
want to know what they are. I know that there are a great number because I
have heard that there are 40 or 50 different programs that we could apply
for money and we could certainly extend, maybe we could get more baseball
fields for all I know with some of that money. So he said he would be able
to furnish it to you and if you would get it to us as quick as possible
I would appreciate it.
Mr. Andrews: What Mr. Howard is going to furnish you,
Mrs. Cordon: He said he knew about these programs already, that
I am discussing and I asked for a list of some kind that we may be knowledgeable
about what programs are available so we may know what kind of funds are out
there, that possibley this city cculd use. I'd like to know and I am sure
they would like to know,
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tir. Plummer: Mr. Mayor may I. bring up one thin;;. This will he very hri.:`.-.
Mr. Manager, through vou to .:r. Howard, or really to you, there was discussion
at the recent Boy Scout Jamboree in Robert King lllgh Park, they proposed
and 1 concurred and I would like to sc.e the adninistrttion if possible through
Mr. Howard's office because that is %here it would tie, the possibility of their
Jamboree next year being held on Virginia Key with their participation or oleani:,;
up Virginia Key. They would go ovor there with all of their nanpower and clean
up Virginia Key in return, the City let them use it For their camping
jamboree. Just to explore it, and you can do that thro ugh, ---
Mrs. Gordon: May I explain my exploring trip yesterday. 1 am a member
of the Executive Board of the Boy Scouts of American, the first that women
have crossed in to that realm of males.lfowever T would like to say I am an
active member of that board andyesterday, I was accompained by members of the
staff of the council and the President of the ►toard, Ralph Renick, and the
Coast Guard who has a member on the Board took us over to Lummus Island and
the Assistant City Manager Mr. Andy Crouch, who was the greatest explorer of
all, we landed on the island, and a very exciting possibility for the Boy
Scout to use this area, Lummus Park area for a bicentennial camping ground
so the most important thing was to determine the soil content, whether it was
feasible and it is feasible, and Mr. Crouch I owe you a debt of gratitude
for your encouragement because there were some who said don't go to Lummus
Island , you will sink in the mud, and we didn't sink in the mud.
Mayor Ferre: I suggest we move on to the next subject now, and I
hope that Rose Gordon does not try in the future to make it the 'person'
Scouts of America,
Mrs. Gordon: I promise you I won't, T did wear high boots yesterday
to get out of the row -boat.
Mayor Ferre: You won't try to change it from Boy Scouts to "Person Scouts"
Mrs. Gordon: I promise I'll never do that.
38-A. MINORITY BANKS - CITY DEPOSITS:
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Andrews and Mr. Bailey, I'd like for you to listen
to this a little bit. We have been wrestling with this situation off and on
for several months. Mr. Carlos who ie Chairman and his associate,
President of the Contineutal Bank, I might say for the record, that I have no
interest in the Bank, no stock, I don't own anything; --I promised them I'd open
them an account, I don't know if I kept my word,
Unidentified person: You never did,
Mayor Ferre: You are going to have to remind me of it, nud 1. will.I am
not even an account there, so I have no personal interest in this. They have
been coming up with'a query, and here is what the question is, the question is
we are a new bank, we just started, we have 8 million dollars in deposits,
----9 million I believe, which is fantastic for a bank that just opened this year.
and they are working hard, and here is the question, they belong to the City
they participate in affairs here now,and we have a mandate from the federal
government about minorities. They qualify as a minority business. They are a
minority bank, and they are successful. They question they asked me, and they
are asking you is, how do we get in line to part of the establishment, and I
calked to the Manager and said well he sent me and you a copy of what
has been done in the past. What was done in the past was 5 years back, the
First Natl Bank of Miami had all the business. There were a group of banks that
protested that, so then there was an order of banks, and it started out with four
banks, the United Bank and the Pan American Bank, the basic banks here, and
5 or 6 years went by and a whole bunch of other people started protesting, why
should you give all the business to this bank and none to me, So they put up
a list, Now the list, here is the problem for that, that is fine, .ind every year
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the thing gets moved ftom one bank to the other. Except the waiting the fiat
is 5 years away. For these people to get on the list, they have to wait 5 years
and what they ate saying it, look, we doti+t want it all, we don't even want
half of it, we want to participate somehow, and we ate entitled to do it.
Mr. Plummet: They just want some.
Mayor Ferre: I think they have a valid point. The truth of the matter
is, that I think especially with minority banks we ought to set a certain
amount of our total funds and use these minority banks on a revolving basis.
I don't know how many minority banks there are, but whoever qualifies, --
there are two of.them?---all right, if there are 3 or 4, whatever, --
Mr. Andrews: I want to say some things but I want a clear understanding
between the Commission and myself. Whatever you decide between Mr. Bailey
and I, we will do the best to carry out what you decide. You decided of this
ordinance, or the formef commission did, based on a study committee that was
set up that made recommendations to the commission, I want to point out that
Continental National Bank of Miami is the lowest bank in terms of total deposits
in the City of Miami of 23 banking institutions. They have total deposits of
7 and 1/2 million dollars.
Mr. Plummer: They are trying to do something about that.
Mr. Andrews: Two additional banks have been identified as minority
banks, that is the Bank of Miami and the Republic National Bank of Miami
are 17 and 18th ranked in deposits. Their deposits run a hundred and five
million, and 116 million. They are amoung the top six banks it the City of
Miami. I want you to be aware of that. The whole concept of the minority
bank was to give these banks the opportunity to progress and share in these
funds. I think you should take that into consideration, only for you information
Mrs. Gordon: What is your point Paul?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor may Ioffer a suggestion? I think it is better
that we the commission take a motion of intent that, worded something similar
---Paul knows what we want to do, we want to give these people and the other
minority banks some money. Paul, instead of telling you how to do it, why
don't you come back to us at the next meeting and say to us, Commission, knowing
what you want to accomplish, this is what I recommend, and that is really what
everyone is looking for.
Mayor Ferre: Doctor,
Unidentified person: I am going to be very brief, because of the way
you just presented the case, I will not take more of your time. But I would
like to point out, that we commenced our operation in May 10, 1974, and
we have been growing very well, and working hard with small deposits of the
community, on an average of one million a month. We have been qualified by
the Treasury Department, and you all have a copy of this letter, as a minority
group bank, in the same way the Department of Commerce also qualified us as
a minotiry group bank and told us about the principle of the fiscal administration
of the managers from the other agencies to deposit money with us. Our main purpose
naturally, is representing the minority Cuban group, Spanish speaking group in
the community, it to help the small business in the community. To do that we
need more deposits. I believe we are doing very well, but we need your help,
we are aware of the way you work, of your ordinance, but as the Mayor put very
well, if we will ask to get a turn, at this rate it will be 5 or 10 years
to get the money from you.
Mayor Ferre: The large banks, Mr. Andrews, ----I am part-time banker too,
large banks are interested in large deals, they are not interested in small
grocery stores, that kind of stuff. It is too much trouble, the administrative
expense of watching over that kind of loan takes just as much effort, to watch
and control it, So these big banks are not overly prone to lend money to the
small minority communities. There is where the little banks come in. They
are in the neighborhood, they are in the community, their deposits copse from
the community. They don't come from Eastern Airlines; Eastern Airline is not
going to deposit money in that bank. And from government, they get some government
funds, The City of Miami already has some deposits in their bank, but they are
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more conscious of these little guys, and that is the purpose of all this,
Mt. Andrews: Do they understand, and t say this so that I atn addressing
them through you, Mr. Mayor, do they understand that through the demand
deposits, that, the way we now operate; we take out tithe deposits, withdraw
out money and place it in the demand deposit in such a way that we titaxiiize
the income to the city, that even if we find the formula in which they will
participate that this will be based on that kind of understanding.
Mayor Ferre: They know that we are not going to be stupid enough to
have demand deposits when we can have time deposits.
Unidentified person: In all fairness to the City and to the Manager
and the national department, I would like to say that they have offered us
the opportunity to make to have time deposits and then we got
a deposit when we make the higher bids, but it is not the kind of money
that I believe that we should,
Mayor Ferre: What they are interested in is what bankers call slow,
Mr. Plummer: the long -haul, ----
Mayor Ferre: They want movement, they want it in and out.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor I still think the proper way to handle this is
to let the manager come back on the 25th of March and tell us, he knows
what we want to accomplish, and tell us how he recommends we accomplsh this.
I don't think there is anybody up here doesn't want to give them as much as
we can and let's have them come back in 2 weeks and say we can delegate this
and that. I think that is what you have to do.
Mayor Ferre: Henry I am going to recognize you,step up to the mike,
before you speak, less you misunderstand, and Iwant to address this to Carlos
in particular, this is a little bit different from what has happened up till
now. Up until now you have been discussing this, first with Mr. Bailey then
with Mr. Andrews, now this is at a commission level, where we have policy set.
Mr. Henry Givens: Mr. Mayor I would like to say according , if I am
correct, I think there are only two minority banks in the city of Miami.
I think to Manager had reference to three.
Mayor Ferre: Henry, I don't want to get in that discussion. I don't
care who they are. There is three, fine, if there is five, they have to
prove they are minority banks under federal regulations. If they can prove
it, fine.
Mr. Henry Givens; I would like to say this as chairman of the
minority business opportunity committee under the federal executive board,
that out of the committees that we have all over the country
that this is the first time that any municipality in this country has given
this type of consideration for this type of program.
Mrs. Gordon: We are an inovated city.
Mr. Henry Givens: I would like to tell you I am eternally grateful
not the idea that it gives me greater clout with the federal structure,
but I am very pleased that we do have these type of people serving on
our committee.
Mayor Ferre: Henry, by the way, while you are here I hope you are going
to be active with all the southern and regional conference of mayor we are
going to have here on minority opportunities. I know you have been in it so
far, and I know you have had your differences with Mr. Steve Clark, but I hope
you will be able to participate actively.
Mr. Givens; I'll be delighted to participate.
Mayor Ferre; I want to tell you I am cochairman of that so you forget
what the other cochairmen has or hasn't done. I invite you, okay,
Mr, Givens; I would like to say this, the other day I went to Broward
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county to speak in reference to Minority enterprise before the comfuility
relations board of Broward county, and the type of reaction you get when
you talk talk of minority enterprise, in areas outside of Dade County
is just unreal, and it is quite self -satisfying that I can ,:ome before
connitSaion and get the type of reception I am getting here And have the
cottittion to concerned about its inner city.
Mayor Ferre: Henry, you know better than to say something like that.
Look at this board. You have a Jewish woman over there, a Black, a Puerto
Rican boy hete,
Mr. Givens: a Cuban and an Anglo,
Mayor Ferre: This guy over here claims to be the only representative
of the majority -minority here, --he is a gasp. Let ire tell you something,
thatis a lot of milarky, -this little boy over here is conch boy, and he
is from Key West and he is Catholic, and he is just as much a minority
as anybody else,
Mr.Plummer : Mr. Mayor, I am a wasp, a white,anglo-saxon politician, ---
Mayor Ferre: I'll accept the White part, the Anglo-saxon I don't know,
and the politician part is also questionable.
Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor I would hope that Mr. Andrew will take into account,
that if there are three minority banks, that when you come back you would have
had it, ---got those three people, three institutions, in a meeting with you
and the problems that face you, or the difficulties are told them, and they
understand it. I hate for us to make a study, then let the people affected
don't hear the same thing before, and if those three institutions can meet
with you, ----they aren't going -to get everything they want, but they need to
know the problem and how you arrive at the decision that you are going to make
to us.
Mr. Andrews: May I address Commissioner,if you were the president of
a bank and all the members, ----all the board of directors were Blacks, and
you qualified as a minority bank, but yet you had more deposits in your bank
than any bank in the city of miami, would you look to the City on a demand
basis to deposit funds in your bank. I think that is the area the commission
has to think through.
Mayor Ferre: My opinion is that I am not going to place myself as a
judge. I am going to let the federal government do that. If the federal
government qualifies X bank as a minority bank, I could care less if they
drive home in Rolls Royces at night and they go the Brookview Country Club
it is a minority bank, and I am not going to say because they have
a hundred million deposited in their bank that that disqualifies them. That
is not my problem, that the Government's problem. If they classify them as
minority banks, that is a minority bank.
Mr. Plummer: Once they drive in home in that Rolls Royce they are no
longer a minority bank.
Mr. Andrews: And the federal government places no mandatory criteria
upon the commission; the commission in its infinite wisdom has to make this
decision.
Mr. Plummer: Very definitely,
Mayor Ferre: Well, let me put it to you this way, --obviously we, I think
are more inclined to help a bank that has nine million dollars in deposits
than one that has one hundred million if we are truly trying to help a minority
bank survive.
Rev. Gibson: Mr, Mayor let's don't get hung up, on establishing the qualifications
for minority banks. if they don't have enough sense to go get their description
for themselves, God help them, Take the description if the government says
this is a minority bank, okey, invite those three, four or five people and
explain what our problem is, We don't have all the money in the world,
Mr. Givens: One last thing Mr, Mayor, I would like to say this due to
the fact that Miami does not have a Black bank, the people from the Continental
Bank, the people from the Bank of Miatni, have pledged and committed not only to
me, to my agency, to do evetything in their power to aid a minority enterprise
in the Elack cotinunity, and they have done this in areas where other bank have
refused to, and I am pleased to say that.
Mayor Ferre: Thank you very touch.
Mr. Plummer: Henry, just tell them the funds you want are the general
federal sharing funds because I have never seen such churning in all my life,
Mayor Ferre: Just one last thing, and Idon't know whether they even
know that I know this, but I want to point this out to you. You know we are
trying to fix up 8th Street, Little Havana and all that, and put awnings. Most
of those merchants don't own those stores, they lease them. They don't have the
money to go out and put these awnings. As I understand it, this bank has offered
all of those merchants up and down 8th Street, that they will finance those awnings,
and let them have two or three years to pay for them. That is the kind of stuff
I am talking about. We help them, they help these little store owners, the store
owners put the awnings to make 8th Street beautiful with our plans, and that is
what I mean. And that is why this important.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-246
A MOTION TO REFER TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR INVESTIGATION
AND REPORT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AT THE NEXT MEETING
THE MATTER OF CITY DEPOSITS IN MINORITY BANKS
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
38 8 AUTHORIZE $7,500 CONTRIBUTION TO CHARLES IVES CENTENNIAL FESTIVAL
Mayor Ferre: Item 32 the Ives Centennial, $7500.00 and you are going to
talk to us
Mr. Plummer; Mr. Mayor can I cut through this in behalf of Selma and
everyone else, the Manager is committed for the $7500.00-----there is nothing
else we can do. We can make all of our statements about it, there is a commitment
made. We have to live up to the commitment. I move this, ----
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-247
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CONTRIBUTION OF $7,500. FROM THE
CONTINGENCY FUND TO THE CHARLES IVES CENTENNIAL FESTIVAL
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(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote-
AYES: Commissiono r Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre. NOES: None
Mayor Ferre: I am voting with the motion, but I want for the record
to make this statement, --I am sorry I have to vote with this motion, because
I think we have a moral obligation to do it, and therefore I am doing it. In
this day and age, when we have recession, ----and I am going to tell you something
just like somebody else said recently, we are in a depression, this thing of
calling this whole mess we are in a recession is a lot of hooey. There are too
many people out of work and there are too many signs that we could call it anything
but a depression. We are in a depression, and there are people beginning to get
on bread lines, and this is not a time and age for us to be worrying about, ----
I am all for culture but not when people are hungry. I am voting for this for
this because Ithink I have no choice. We are committed to it, and I am sorry.
Mr. Plummer: Go away and sin no more.
Mayor Ferre: I vote yes,
39, DISCUSSION OF $45,000 NATIONAL ENDOWMENT OF THE ARTS GRANT
ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR INTERAMA- DECLARE INTENTION TO PROVIDE
MATCHING FUNDS FOR BICENTENNIAL PARK
Mayor Ferre: Let me tell you what this is all about.
Mr. Plummer: Bigger bread lines,
Mayor Ferre: -Interama, remember Interama,--
Mr. Plummer: We are trying to forget, ----
Mayor Ferre: Interama went out, listen to this, because this is going
to cost you money, Interama went out and 2 years struggled to get on the
national endowment of the funds, a grant, to put a major piece of art in
Interama. A committee was set up, the committee happened to be, Congressman
Lehman's wife, Mrs. Harry Hood Bassett and Mrs. Maurice Ferre. There were
selected not because who there were married to, I hope, but because they happened
to be perhaps the three most knowledgeable people in this community on such
things, specially Mrs. Bassett, and Mrs. Lehman, you all know Congressman
Bill Lehman and Joan Lehman happens to be one of the great artists in this
community, and very knowledgeable in this field. They selected some art work.
It is on a matching basis. Interama has fallen, so that was beginning to be
lost. I got quite upset about that, and I started to work on that thinking
the City of Miami ought to take this over and not let this out of our hands.
In the mean time the university system and Chuck Berry said no, sir, that is
Interama, that ought to stay in the NOrth Campus, we want that. They went
and he tried to get it, but he coulnd't get sufficient backing from the
chancellors for the matching funds at the time, so much to his regret. There
is a time schedule and I think the time is March 24, By March 24 which is on
a Monday, this thing hasn't been tied down, it is gone. Here is what I am telling
you, we are spending four million dollars on this Bicentennial Park. One of the
key things for Bicentennial Park, which they have, is a major piece of art,
which I don't know what the budget is going to be for, but it was obviously
going to be substantial, It is one of the key central themes of the park, All
I am telling you is, we found $45,000,--if we match it, we get $90,000, and I'd
rather have the $90,000, piece of art than the $45,000,
Mr, Plummer: Mr, Mayor, I think something maybe is being overlooked,
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unless I am completely out of the question: Mr. Mayor why couldn't that game
matching money, we are committed to 1% on the police department for $120,000.
worth of art in the building, why couldn't some of that $120,000. be used tb
match this grant, and take advantage of it.
Mr. Andrews: It could bi.t what has been proposed for the police department
is not a statue or not a piece of external art In the form that the Mayor is
describing. It iA an external piece of art.
Mr. Plummer: Has the art been chosen?
Mayor Ferre: Yes,
Mt. Andrews: The form of art is a form that has to be ----
Mayor Ferre:----the art has been chosen,
Mr. Andrews: ---monument or so, and what we have decided in the police
station building is internal in.terms of,
Mayor Ferre: Let me elaborate on it a little, Mrs. Nancy Hanks, she is
it, the President of the, and I have talked to her about this, and she
said don't you fool around with that, you stick within what has been chosen
and they'll accept Bicentennial Park. I don't know if they will accept something
else.
Mr. Plummer: I hate to say this Mr. Mayor, but if they asking us with
their hand out I don't want anybody dictating to me. $45,000. with recession,
I'll use your terminology, ----
Mayor Ferre: Turn it down, ----
Mr. Plummer: Idon't want to turn it down. I want to try to take
advantage of it, but now if an artist has been commissioned,
Mayor Ferre: No, no, no, ----let's get it very clear, --don't put words
in my mouth, --let's get it clear, an authority has appointed a three -member
panel to spend four month of selecting an artist. That was done with the
guidance of the National Endowment for the Arts. The artist has been selected,
the work has not been commissioned.
Mrs. Gordon: Who is the artist?
Mayor Ferre: I don't know who the artist is.
Mr. Plummer: Maurice, what you are telling me is, there is no way
you feel that that money or artist, or whatever it is, could be incorporated
in the committment of the police station. is that what you are telling me?
Mayor Ferre: No I am not saying that because I have not talked to Mrs. Hanks
about it.
Mr. Plummer: The money is there for the police station. That is what
I am trying to get out, ---
Mayor Ferre: And they are also there for the park, what I am telling
you is, whether you do this or not, there is going to be thematic art in the
park, and that is part of Edward D. Stone's schedule.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor let me tell you something, and I go back to a
basic philosophy, Mr. Mayor we can have that park without a piece of art.
It might not be as nice, but when it has always founds itself towards
the completion, we don't always have the funds to complete what we want. Let
me tell you, I don't think there is anybody who would dispute the fact that if
we got down whatever Edward Durel Stone has put aside for a major piece of art
in that park, and it gets to the point, are we going to have the park, because
if we don't if the art, we are not going to have the park, you know, this is
what we are looking at.
Mayor Ferre; That is all very nice J. L. but all I am saying is, this
is just one voice again, I welcome the ability to have a piece of art, tangible
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and physical that is going to cost $90,000. which will take it the not
itnpot'tant piece of art work in this community, who doett't Spend too thuch
Loney on art. And it would be a major theme and a major center point for
Bicentennial Park, and I can't'think of a mote important place to place,
I also think the theme, the on:.y qualification that I'd like to put to it,
is that have some bicentennial theme to it, whether it is a star or totething,Y-
Mts. Gordon: Mr. Mayor you can tell me, don't we have such a committee,
the city has that kind of committee, are we pushing them aside, if we did this
You know the committee I at speaking about.
Mayor Ferret Send it to the committee.
Mr. Plummer: You can't incorporate it by the 24th can you Maurice, that
is your problem.
Mrs. Gordon: Mrs. Bassett who happens to be the mentor of people like
and some of the greatest sculptors that have come out of this
country, knows them all on a personal basis, is probably looked upon as one
of the great connoisseurs of art in modern American, is serving on this
committee, Bill Lehman's wife, they spent four months, I happen to
know because Mercedes was on that committee,she would go in the morning
and spend 10 and 12 hours looking at slides, they selected an artist, they
have gone to great pains. I don't know the artists selected. It happens to
be a Florida artist. I would say this, I think the City of Miami, ----this is
my personal opinion and I am recommending this to you, that we accept the
challenge of those $45,000.--match it, and tell Edward Durell Stone to work
with the artist that has been selected, and if he is not satisfied with him,
come back, and say I don't like the artist, or what he wants to do.
Mr. Plummer: I don't see a thing wrong with that.
Mrs. Gordon: I have the same thing bothering me, and it isn't anything
to do with the artist or the committee that selected the artist. I am not
questioning that, what is bothering me is more of a technicality. This city
formulated a committee for the selection of works of art, headed by Nora Swan,
there are four other people serving on it, whose names I can't call, ---they
are charged with the responsibility of selecting all art for public buildings.
Maybe you dont' call the park a building,
Mayor Ferre: She has a point.
Mr. Andrews: There is a little bit of a conflict there in that the
ordinance requires that one and one-half percent of any new building or
project go into art. The City Manager is charged and has a Board that reports
to him on the quality of art and we have formed a commission, and
the group Frank Stearns is involved with, --
Mrs. Gordon: I am not talking about the Memorial Committee, I am talking
about the cultural arts committee under your supervision.
Mayor Ferre: Edward Durell Stone, ---Dave you might very well say, we
don't want a statue, we want a fountain, we want this to be part of the
Youth thing maybe, where people climb all over it --that might be part of
the whole thing. I don't know what you guys are going to come up with.
Mr. Andrews: I recommend Mr. Mayor and members of the commission,
we have an opportunity to obtain $45,000. in grant funds which we would
have to match in some way, doesn't necessarily mean that all of it might
go into a work of a piece of sculpture. It could very well be located in
the fountain area, and in the waterfall area that we have, and we are already
making a contribution towards that, and we ought to put it together and see
if it will work and work with the Stone firm and if they approve of it, and
say it is acceptable, ----
Mrs, Gordon; Can you get with your committee and bring them into it
so therefore you would not in effect by-passing them,
Mr. Andrews: Yes, they are a recommending body to me anyway,
Mayor Ferre; The point I am trying to make is simple this, it is
not going to cost us anything and I don't want to say this on the record
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but I have been force into saying it, because I don't want this to get up
to the National Endowment of the Arts. You know what we are going to do
don't you. We are going to say here is my matching portion of it, and it
is something we are going to do anyway, which is the fountain or some thing
like that, and what we are picking up is $45,000. to go into the park.
Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor since you have that committee, it seems to me it
would be a polite thing for the and the Vice -Mayor to sit down with both,
the Manager, and say to them, you know all of us get in a bind in life and
Say, look we want you to try and work together because this situation exists.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, I guess I am going to have to tell the full story.
I really didn't want to do this, but I guess I have to do it. You know how we
got this whole thing? We got it through Joan Lehman, Joau Lehman and Nancy
Hanka are very close friends. If Nancy Hanks wants to pull this thing tomorrow
it its gone. It is her discretion, she is the absolute boss all over the United
States for the National Endowment of the Arts. She decides what happens to
tis money. The money was gotten because Joan Lehman got this money through
Nancy Hanks and it was a very specific grant for a very specific purpose. That
is how it began. It is now almost gone and we have till the 24th to save it.
All I am saying is,for God's sakes don't turn your back on $45,000.---we can
use it in the parks. I agree with your premise, Rose, to call the committee
together, we will talk to them, but if you are inclined to do so, let's vote
for it now.
Rev. Gibson: Then all I am saying is, we must say to them, this is the
bind we are in,--$45,000. is a lot of money. I move it, ---
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gibson who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-248
A MOTION DECLARING THE INTENTION OF THE COMMISSION
TO ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE MATCHING FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT
OF $45,000. FOR ACQUIRING A GRANT FROM THE NATIONAL
ENDOWMENT OF THE ARTS PREVIOUSLY DESIGNATED FOR INTERAMA
AND TO USE SAID FUNDS IN CONNECTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT
OF BIECNETNNIAL PARK
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
Mayor Ferre: Paul, would you make sure a letter goes out right a way
for the National Endowment of the Arts, telling them what we have done. Make
sure Mrs. Hanks, ---
Mrs. Gordon: Will they let us switch it Maurice to another location? Will
they let us take it to the Bicentennial,
Mayor Ferre: The Bicentennial I've gotten okay.
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40. $2,500 GA FROM ANDRES SEGOVIA ANON ION fi0 SENDS tHANKS
Mayor Ferte On the subiect of finding money for art I want to announce, and
I'm going to do it in a more formal way, but let the just share with the co,nmis=
sion today that I have here a dated letter of the 9th of March froth Andres
Segovia, the famous Spanish classical guitar artist, probably the greatest
living guitarist that we've had this century. He is donating to this coMMUn-
ity $2500. And this came about this way, just shows you how things happen.
I talked to him over the phone and said,"Meistro, we'd like to have You down
hete," and it came out of the top of my head I said, ''We'd like for you to
give a benefit for some of our cultural events down here, raise some money."
So he said, ''I'll do it." last year. Now this year he said I'm so booked,
and this man had something like 30 concerts from California to Maine and he
called me up and he said, I'm very embarrassed that I can't live up to my
commitment but I'm a man of my word so I'm going to send you a check for
$2500. That's the kind of a man he is. I'd completely forgotten about it,
frankly.
Mrs. Gordon: Did he earmark it for some specific thing?
Mayor Ferrel No, he earmarked it to Maurice Ferre and I called him up...
Mr. Plummer: Oh, get your hands on that one in a hurry. How is the check
made out?
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Maurice A. Ferre, Mayor. Now I called him up and I said I'm
very thrilled by this and very touched, how do you ant this money used, it's
your money. He said, Mr. Mayor, I will not put any qualifications on it, it
is strictly your decision, I'll leave it completely at your... I said well
should it be used in a cultural thing? He said well, it would be appropriate
but I'm not limiting you to how you use it. So, to make a long story short,
I think we ought to go on record, this is quite a guy. You know what he told
me? I said to him trying to be polite, we're very happy to have your $2500,
we would have preferred to have you. He seid well you know I'm 82 years old
and I've got a wife and a three year old daughter that's waiting for me and
I'd like to get back to my home with my family. I said well Meistro, I can't
blame you at all, we're happy to have your check. I'm just sharing this with
you and I would like for you to make a motion so we can send him a real nice
appreciation.
Thereupon a motion expressing the appreciation of the City Commission
to Meistro Andres Segovia was introduced by Mr. Plummer, seconded by Mrs.
Gordon and passed and adopted unanimously.
Mayor Ferre: A11 right, now I will keep the check in my posession for a while
and I want you to help me think through what cultural areas you think are worthy
of this money and I'll make that decision in the next couple of weeks.
Mrs. Gordon: I know what you'd be interested in and I think the rest of us
would like to help the philharmonic with some of it at least. They have a
real severe problem, they are a cultural group.
Mayor Ferre: Ok, the Philharmonic is one suggestion. Rather than take up your
tme now, why don't you just think about it and drop me a memorandum on it.
Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor, I could tell you mine now. The Folk Festival that
brings so many cultural elements together, I would hope you will cnsider them.
Mrs. Gordon: I think maybe you'd like to distribute it over maybe four or
five...
Mayor Ferre: Well if we do that it might not have any impact, Rose. And I
want to help the philharmonic but my concern with the philharmonic is that
you know they go through that in 30 seconds. Their needs are $500,000,000.
Whatever your suggestions are, let me know.
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41, DRt F DtsGusstoN - RAPID TRANSIT
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Ralph Preston is here repretenting Mr. John
Dyer of Metro on this rapid transit.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Preston?
Mr. Andrews: He is here to assist us in any way in the formulation
of the Commission policy .
Mayor Ferre:This evening there is going to be a
that Metropolitan Dade County is going to have, so I
different locations, for the purpose of beginning to
transit. You may have noticed in the newspapers that
Dr. Dyer and others stated that they for example when
about Douglas Road, had not finalized on that portion
waiting for the City of Miami to take an official pos
they deliberate beyond that. I think it is encumbent
down to it and take it section by section and come to
to what our official position fs. We have held three
we heard an awful lot of in -put from an awful lot of
we have heard from the administration, and I think we
to a head on it pretty soon.
Mr Andrews, I recognize you for whatever you wan
Series of meetings
understand at three
finalize the rapid
on several occasions
they were talking
because they were
ition and of course
upon us to really get
a final conclusion as
public hearings, and
people and I think, --
really ought to come
t to say on this.
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor, what I suggest that we do is that between
myself and Mr. Crouch and Mr. Acton that we describe the significant areas
that we would like you, --
Mayor Ferre: Now?
Mr. Andrews: I don't know how else to do it.
Mayor Ferre: Okay I am ready, that is why I say this is going to
be till 7:00 o'clock, this meeting, but before we get into that, I see
Wellington Rolle here and Mr. Silber.
Mr. Andrews:Let me approach this a little bit different. I realize that
Metropolitan Dade County has three meetings tonight. Those are not the final
meetings and I want to assess at this moment the consequences of you going
through this process at a little bit later date rather than meeting here
tonight.
Mayor Ferre: You think we are better off to do it that way?
Mr. Andrews: I think so, and I think they would agree with me.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, I accept that as premise.
Mr. Andrews: Let's set a time and date when we will do this.
Mayor Ferre: Will March 25th be too late?
Mr. Crouch: The earliest possible County Commission meeting that this
could be taken up is on the 2nd of April, and so I think action by the 25th
would be timely.
Mr. Andrews; And what we will do Mr. Mayor, we will have the maps,
we will have the chart here with the points on it, so you can see the points
and will go right through it and adopt a policy,
Mayor Ferre; Otherwise it will be an hour. Paul I might point this out to
you, it is my personal opinion, I with the exception of that route, and even
that I don't feel too strongly about, where you come on that bus route, that
you come in through that, from the north, --I haven't thought that one out too
well, I think every single one of the administration's recommendations are really
excellent and I concur with every one of them. I think your position on the north-
south corridor going in through Coral. Gables so it doesn't go straight, it moves
up and over , and up and over so it serves more than just one area in the community,
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If
I think your solution to DuPont Plaza in downtown Miami is very important
think your treatment of the Brickell Ave. area is essential. I think
having that thing way over on the FtC tracks is really missing the boat, It
really hat to be over closer where it will serve the density area in the
community, so I would say I pretty well concur, what that /nd Avenue cottidot
I think is much better than the lst Avenue corridor and it also happens
to miss that church we are trying to buy.
Mr. Andrews: We will have a map and a chart here so we can go through
these point by point and you will adopt each one and we will convert that
into a final formal resolution .
Mayor Ferre: Should we do than in the morning or in the afternoon.
Mr. Andrews: Depending on what else'we have, I`11 schedule it then and
let representatives from the county know so they can be here.
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42 B I-CENTENN I1L PARK nIscusstoN OF,CENTER LANES OF BISCANYE
BOULEVARD RE -DESIGN
Mayor Ferree I see Dave is here. What are you here on? You've been here
all afternoon.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Stone couldn't attend today so he wanted me to come
down to explain anything on Bayfront Park if you wanted to implement anything
on the park itself of the southern section. I know he's been discussing every
thing ....
Mayor Ferre: We're not in a position to do that today but I do want to share
this (would you bring that roll on Biscayne Boulevard that you showed to me
the other day? Have you shown that to all the members of the commission?)
Let me share this with the Commission. Until we do something about Biscayne
Boulevard that park is only going to be half a park. I look at it that simply.
In other words we've got to find ways of getting all of those secretaries,
businessmen and clerks and workers in banks and government over to that park
and use it and enjoy it. And I think one of the real problems is crossing that
Biscayne Boulevard. Now the problem we've always had in the past with Biscayne
Boulevard is the parking. We've never been able to overcome Mitchell Wolfson's
objection; we can't touch the parking. All right, now I've mentioned it to
the Manager and he gave me some drawings.that were actually done years and
years, 1961 and it was a nice attempt but it really didn't picture it. Now I
tell you I think if we're going to do anything to improve Bayfront Park we
should, and I've asked the Law Department to do research to see whether or not
we can legally use bond moneys to improve ... Have you got that drawing? I'd
like for you to roll that thing out. I want you to hear this Rose, because I
asked a legal opinion which I haven't gotten formal yet but evidently the answer
is yes; is that I wanted to know whether we could use our bond moneys as we im-
prove the park to also improve Biscayne Boulevard. And the answer is certain
degree, yes. I don't think we can do it for the street portion of it but I
think those things that are greenry and park and the parking lot and all of
that. Now I asked Mr. Stone if he had any ideas on that and he came up with a
drawing that evidently he's had for two years. I didn't know anything about
this. So I asked him to show it to all of the members of the commission; I
hope he has. What it basically does....
Mr. Plummer: No.
Mayor Ferre: You haven't done that?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER(DAVE?): Well we do have the drawing.
Mayor Ferre: Well why don't you roll it out here so that everybody can see it.
Basically, what it does is it puts the rapid lanes on one side and the slow
lanes on the other side and so by doing that you end up with more parking which
is
Mr. Plummer: Is that the plan that we had here before where we had the parking
on a slanted? Yes, well that was turned down by this commission before. This
commission turned it down. I think, if I recall and please don't hold me to
this, the one that was the big was Dan Paul because I remember him call-
ing the pots, the red pots the miscarriages or the abortions. No, he said
abortions.
INAUDIBLE
Mr. Plummer: No, Paul, let me tell you what it was. Let me tell you the orig-
inal conception. The original conception was to carry that planting from 5th
Street, 5th to 4th on down to second street and this same proposal about
angle parking. And I'll tell you who else came here and pitched a big hurrah
about it was the Off -Street Parking Authority who said that their bonds were
based on it.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, Ok, but let's talk about it anyway because maybe we could
convince them this time. On the right side, as I understand it, those are
four lanes going north. Right next to it you see there's a bunch of trees
in the middle then there's four lanes going south. Then there is another
bunch of trees. Now from there on it's all green area and parking.
Mr. Plummer; I'm just bringing this up, I'm not trying to be a stumbling block
but if I'm not mistaken, a third party was here who raised hell and that was
Ernie Siler - Don't damage his Orange Bowl Parade. I'm giving you this for
what it is worth,
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INAUDIBLE, Many speakers.
Mayor Ferre: When did you make these drawings?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: This tnas 72 when we prepared that green book.
Mayor Ferre: Did you show them to the commission at that time?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No, this was outside our scope of work. These were
just done so that we would have an understanding in house as to the types of
treatment...
Mayor Ferre: Let's get Plummer and everybody else straight on this. You're
telling the that you did this for yourself, this was never shown to the com-
mission and this has never been shown in z public hearing and this has never
been discussed to the best of your •cnowledge?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I remember now what Mr. Plummer I think is referring
to; when Off -Street Parking had the one island out there they had a total
plan concept...
Mr. Plummer: Right, to bring it all the way down to S.E. 2nd Street.
Mayor Ferre: Look, what this is all about is very simply this; you know where
I thought of this and why I called stone. I said, you know I read an article
in the New York Times they want to do over Park Avenue and the reason they want
to do Park Avenue is that what in the world do they need all of this green stuff
in the middle? Where they really need it is on the side and what they're plan-
ning to do to New York City is put all the fast stuff in the middle and expand
the sidewalk and put green areas and sidewalk cafes and what have you. Ok?
So I called stone and I said look, if they're doing it on Park Avenue why can't
we do it on Biscayne Boulevard. Now he said, "We've actually made a drawing to
that affect." I said well let me see it. So that is this drawing which was
done in 1972. In affect what this does is it puts the high speed roads side -
by -side and it puts the parking altogether and what that allows for is a re-
distribution of green area so that in effect you have a local lane and the park-
ing on the west side which is near the buildings and have all of the fast speed
stuff on the east side. Does that explain it?
Mr. Plummer: Well let me ask this question because John and I....
Mrs. Gordon: Except this could only go up to 5th Street, Mr. Mayor because
from that point north except for Bicentennial Park we don't have any right of
way.
Mayor Ferre: Right you are. All it would do is take the area that we do have
and redesign it.
Mr. Plummer: Bob, what would be the chance of getting this by the feds who
own the road?
Bob ?: Well, as I mentioned to Ed when he wanted to show these reports, this
is part of Beiswenger Hoch recommendations in their study, traffic study.
Mr. Plummer: Who?
Bob ?: Beiswenger Hoch, Downtown Transportation STudy.
Mayor Ferre: This is what the state came up with. Remember they came up with
that report of theirs about traffic in downtown Miami? I think everybody is in
agreement with this thing, you know and typical of Miami we always say
Mrs, Gordon: Yes, there are a few problems, one is the Ball Point curve, we
don't have the right of way to widen it there either.
Bob: This is not widening the right of way, this is the southern section of the
park.
Mrs, Gordon: Yes, but this concept should be carried further,
Mayor Ferre: I agree, And furthermore, I think that we should go in and at
least take that portion of Ball Point to get this done all the way down to the
water.
Mr, Plummer: Well, this is something you're not going to decide today, Mr.
Mayor, Why don't we send it to the Manager for his recommendation and let
ham come back to us.
Mayor Ferree Dave, since this hasn't been done, and I hate to put you through
all the trouble again but would you come down and show this to each commissioner
all over again and go over that? Mr. Andrews, what I would like to do, and 1
apologite that the Commission has not had an opportunity to see this, I would
like for them to come down to your office and go and visit each one of the Com-
missioners, explain the impact of it for all of Biscayne Boulevard and show
them the Beiswenger Study and then bring this up for some kind of discussion
whenever.. The only purpose of all of this is that whenever, if and when you
bring up for discussion whatever it is that we want to do eventually <t Bayfront
Park that Biscayne Boulevard should be included somehow in part of th..s solut-
ion. That's all I'm saying.
Mr. Andrews: Another way of putting it, no matter what we do, no matter if we can't
immediately go ahead and improve the boulevard we should have a plan for it and
anything we do in Bayfront Park should be compatible with that plan.
Mayor Ferre: With that idea, it may take us 10 years to do it, I don't know
but at least have a direction. You knew J.L., I don't know if you received
from Dean McCormick and the Biscayne Boulevard Association this little thing
that you paste in your window or something. It says Beautiful Biscayne Boulevard.
Did you ever see that? I'm writing him a letter and I wrote a memorandum to
Paul Andrews and I sent all of you copies. And I said shame on you because
the truth of the matter is that Biscayne Boulevard really .is a monstrosity and
it ought to be a beautiful boulevard but it is horrible. You know, those
scrawny little palm trees half of them dying and these cars that are parked
and the sidewalks curved in and... I think Biscayne Boulevard is an ugly
boulevard and I think in comparison to Alton Road or some of the beaut:Uul
boulevards in this town that we ought to have an Alton Road in Miami. Why
shouldn't Miami have an Alton Road?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: This study was prepared stricly for our in house use to
understand hdw the boulevard could be complemented with the street graphics,
park furniture, park landscaping so it could b:come compatible with the park
itself. So this is a very worthy exercise.
Mayor Ferre: I want very badly for this community to have a sense of pride
in its beauty and I think it is something we have an obligation in the social
scale and in the police work but we also have an obligation in our park and
that's what I hope we're striving for.
Mr. Andrews: We will shortly be bringing to the City Commission this Bayfront
Park Plan so that if you approve of it in concept only that you'll be giving
us authority to go all of the other agencies to see if we can put it together.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Is there anything else that we need to study out?
Mayor Ferre: Rose, is there anything else you want them to look into?
Mrs. Gordon: They were going to look into some cost factors and I. suppose
they are still looking on that.
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45. PERSONAL APPEARANCE I�LU NGTON ROLLE $us ct RAPID TRANSIT
Mt. Wellington Rolle: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. One of the things that disturbs
Me is that this commission doesn't seem to think it important, some of the
observations that have been made about transportation. I think that if the
commission takes the time no. to engage itself in some of tho considerations
that I think many of the citizens have brought up in regards to transportation
we could save ourselves some headaches and heartaches later on. I don't think
that a cititen should have to go into court to seek the kind of relief and con-
sideration that many of the citizens are asking for in the City of Miami. I
think there are many obvious inequities that are built into the plan for the
rapid transit or the transit improvement program in total Dade County as it
relates to the City of Miami. And I think further that if we look at our
entire community what are the actual benefits acruing to the City of Miami?
There are very few that I have been able to determine and I'm just a lay person,
this is outside of the benefit of providing a mass transit system for people who
live outside of the City of Miami in the far reaches of Dade County to come into
the central city. But the thing tiat really disturbs me in listeninc to the
comment a moment ago is that you're going to come back on the 25th. People who
are sitting on the County Comission who I received the report from I guess the
Transportation Department are saying that they have not had enough time, they
have not have not been given enough information and that for this application
to be in Washington on the first of April, I'm wondering now what could be the
status of any recommendations that the City of Miami might make.
Mr. Plummer: Wellington, we were just informed that the County Commission will
not take any final action on this until. the 2nd of April.
Mr. Rolle: My point is, Mr. Plummer, is how many days are talking about frcm
the 25th until the 2nd of April?
Mr. Plummer: Seven days.
Mr. Rolle: Right, so what I'm really asking, in your judgement do you feel
that that is ample time if any of the recommendations that the City of Miami
might make, is there ample time for consideration or to be worked into the
plan?
Mr. Plummer: Well, if you're asking me my personal opinion my personal opinion
is no. But has there been ample time for all of this the answer is no. Now
Wellington, let me say this: If the County Commission in fact is going to listen
to this commission yes there is ample time. Now let me tell you, maybe you were
not aware, we have this document which was presented to us unfortunately yester-
day. This is what the Manager and the administration have analyzed both together
with the public input of the three meetings, which you were at all three, plus
the recommendations of the Planning Department for the City of Miami Commission
to supposedly make a policy from. Now I don't know how much this Commission
will concur with this report, deviate from this report, alter, adjust or what.
But I'm going to sit here and tell you that there is no way on a report which
I received this morning that I don't feel that we shouldn't have some time to
study and come back to this Commission and then intelligently vote as to what
is the policy of this commission. I agree with you the time no is not adequate
but we're under a time gun and that's one person speaking, the rest can speak
for themselves.
Mr. Rolle: Very good. There is one final comment and I think that there is
some consideration given towards asking for federal adhering in Dade County
as it relates to the transit improvement program. There are those of us, and
I say I'm speaking of myself and possibly not you, who feel that there have
been collusion, there has been some degree of collaboration and that there is
in fact indeed a conspiracy in the manner in which this thing has come about.
Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, one of the things that you were not present this morn-
ing for was a point brought out by the Mayor that in fact that the ballot which
went to the public stated unequivocally in broad simple easy to read terms,
"rubber wheels". That's there.
Mr. Rolle; Well it also stated, Mr. Commissioner, an aerial guideway and
there is a difference between an elevated system and an aerial guideway.
Mr. Plummer; Well these are things that we're going to incorporate in this
report to the County Commission. They've already been discussed this morning.
May I suggest to you since you've shown the interest that you secure now from
the administration a copy of this. We're going to discuss this in the morning
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of March the 25th. And we would like your input, or I would as to what you
feel you agree or you disagree with what the Manager has recommended. Take
it home as I'm going to do, study it and be back here on that date so you can
address it inteilidently. And I invite you to do that.
44, DISCUSSION ITEM:
ENFORCEMENT OF REGULATIONS OF TAXICABS
OPERATING OUT OF PMIAMI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
Mr: Reboso: I think Mr. Zilber is here in connection with the taxi unit detail
for the airport. Is that right, Mr. Zilber? I asked the City Manager the last
time about the taxi unit detail at the airport.
Mr. Andrews: Yes, because the City through it:, ordinance has the priviledge of
controlling taxicabs within a 5 mile limit of the howlers of the City of Miami
years ago we instituted an inspection for control of the taxicabs that operate
out at the airport. However, I am reluctant to recommend to the commission that
we do that now in the face of this major taxicab study that Metropolitan Dade
County has undertaken. I don't think that we should be involved in regulating
the taxicabs that far from the City of Miami. Conditions were different when
the prior commission many years ago instituted this. We didn't have Metropolitan
Dade County form of government, the amount of problems that now exist in control-
ling the cabs at the airport were not in place and it was a far simpler matter.
I realize that this would be a service to the taxicab industry but this is an
effort on the part of the City and it's really beyond the city's jurisdiction
and until we know more about the implementation of the plan for contr61 of
taxicabs in Dade County I don't recommend that we get into it. Now that doesn't
mean that we might not do it after we get into the implementation of that plan.
Mr. Sigmund Zilber: Thank you for your time on this. Our problem now both from
an industry point of view and from a public point of view is as a vacuum. The
county has no ordinance yet to do any type of patrolling for cleanliness, for
condition of cars, or if drivers have licenses or anything like this to protect
the public. The city does have an ordinance. Because it happens to be in the
airport which is in the unincorporated area the City Police do not go out there,
the taxicab detail. So at that particular point we have a vacuum where cabs
are not being inspected at all, where almost half of the fleet of the City of
Miami is really not being scrutinized like the other half is that plays downtown
or on our city streets. And as President of Yellow Cab which I am now we would
like to see the City of Miami Taxicab Bureau go back out there because we feel
it would be both to our advantage.... About 3 or 4 months ago, I think. And
the condition, unfortunately, you know I hate to say this because I'm represent-
ing my own industry, we feel that the condition of some of our vehicle.; at the
airport are not up to the condition of some of the vehicles in the rest of the
city of the other companies. l,nd you see, the county won't do anything about
it. They say that can't enforce a City Ordinance.
Mr. Andrews: Yes, but let's explain to the commission that these are not
taxicabs that are domiciled in the City of Miami; these are beyond the control
of the city and the only reason that we're in this is because of the way the
ordinance is written giving us control of taxicabs within a 5 mile limit of
the City of Miami.
Mr. Zilber: Mr. Andrews, these are city certificated taxicabs though. These
are not non -certificated; these are certificated by the City of Miami. They
have city registration for the drivers and a certificate and a permit issued
by the City of Miami. These are not unincorporated area cabs or Miami Beach
cabs - these are City of Miami cabs.
Mr. Plummer: Paul, how much longer is it, I don't remember even though I
attended it. Jack, you were with me, how long before the County is going to
implement? Ok, but I mean how long before it will be implemented?
Mr. Zilber: It could be three months at least...
Mr. Plummer: So what is really wrong with us continuing for another three
months. Oh come on! You've got men delegated right now to the Taxi Detail.
Am I right or am I wrong?
Mr. Andrews; Let Me, without holding me to this position or to taking definite
action, Let me find out what the problems are in reinstating service and if it
doesn't become too burdensome I will do so. If it appears it is I will not.
Mr, Plummer; Ok, great,
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45, TRANSEER $6 00 DEMOLITION OP $UILD1NG T 1555 Hi Wi 1st STREET
Mr. Plummer: Mr. City Attorney, I own property within the 375 feet of the pro-
posed demolition. Is that a conflict or not?
Mr. Lloyd: Not in this instance, it is not.
INAUDIBLE
Mr. Plummer: Because of the fact, Rose, I looked into it quite extensively.
The building is in a state of disrepair, it is dangerous to the neighborhood
and the Manager says they are going to tear it down since the owner won't.
If he won't pay it they're going to put a lien against his property ..
Mr. Andrews: Property and collect the funds. This is a revolving fund process.
The following resolution has introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-249
A °FSOLU'1'IO"T ALLOC".mIvr, $c,non.On tIO( M muss rnrlmImlvmm znymn
TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FUND TO COVER AN ANTICIPATED
SHORTAGE IN THE DEMOLITION EXPENSE ACCOUNT'S 1974-75 FISCAL
YEAR BUDGET.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Manolo :Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
46, AWARD BIDS - HEAVY EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT- NEW AND ADDITIONAL
VEHICLES
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner rlu-mer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 7E-250
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BIDS FOR THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT REPLACE-
MENT AND NEW AND ADDITIONAL VEHICLES - PHASE 1, FOR THE DEPART-
MENT OF PUBLIC PROPERTIES, IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $416,951.83,
TO THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE BIDDERS AS FOLLOWS: H. F. MASON EQUIP-
MENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $51,600.00; GMC TRUCK & COACH DIVISION IN
THE AMOUNT OF $56,770.00; TALLY-EMBRY FORD IN THE AMOUNT OF
$126,635.25; TOM WOOD EQUIPMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $45,925.00;
ROYAL TRUCK & EQUIPMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $37,250.00; HECTOR TURF
AND GARDEN IN THE AMOUNT OF $29,895.58; INTERNATIONAL HARVESTER
CO. IN THE AMOUNT OF $37,250.00; CALLAHAN MOTORS IN THE AMOUNT
OF $4,850.00; GROWERS FORD TRACTOR IN THE AMOUNT OF $12,225.00;
MEDCO INTERNATIONAL IN THE AMOUNT OF $15,155.00; ROWLAND TRUCK
AND EQUIPMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $945.00; REACH -ALL SALES, INC. IN
THE AMOUNT OF $25,732.00; AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY
MANAGER TO INSTRUCT THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT TO ISSUE PURCHASE
ORDERS FOR THIS EQUIPMENT, FUNDS HAVING BEEN ALLOCATED FOR THIS
PURPOSE AS FOLLOWS: $384.996.23 REGULAR REPLACEMENT RESERVE
FUND; $31,955.60 FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING FUNDS.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote-
AYES; Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L, Plummer, Jr,
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES; None,
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47, AWARD BIDSO LITTER RECEPTACLES
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-251
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID RECEIVED FROM FARREY'S WHOLE,,
SALE HARDWARE FOR FURNISHING FIFTY (50) LITTER RECEPTACLES AT
A TOTAL COST OF $4,975,00; AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY
MANAGER TO INSTRUCT THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT TO ISSUE A PUR-
CHASE ORDER FOR THESE RECEPTACLES FROM FUNDS BUDGETED IN THE
1974-75 FISCAL YEAR BUDGET.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
PRIORITIES OF ITEMS TO BE PRESENTED 1975 FLORIDA LEGISLATURE
48, OPPOSING ANY LEGISLATION THAT WOULD HARM PRESENT EXISTING
FINANCIAL STRUCTURE OF THE CITY OF MIAMI
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission, you've received infor-
mation as to priorities, I hope you have.
Mayor Ferre: I have.
Mr. Plummer: When did that come out?
Mayor Ferre: I got mine about two weeks ago.
Mr. Andrews: I'm not positive.
Mayor Ferre: Oh wait a moment, we can't ask the commission to vote on this
thing if they haven't had a chance to read it.
Mr. Plummer: No, sir, I'm sorry I haven't received it.
Mr. Andrews: Can we take it item by item and run through it real quickly?
Mayor Ferre: Do we have to do it now? How can you ask these people to vote
on things, and you know such an important thing - you've got about 15 or 20 of
them.
Mr. Plummer: Are you asking what the latest date for filing bills are? April
the 18th, I got that.
Mayor Ferre: You've got time.
Mr. Andrews: Blut there is one item that I would like the commission to per -
met me to have some latitude and that is in the various areas of legislation
that affects the city finances, such things as the discussion I participated
in or listened to mostly at some of the committee sessions in that they're pro-
posing to eliminate the utility tax which will represent about $12,000,000 to
the city in revenue, $12,000,000 a year. And there then there is a substitute
bill in which they would eliminate the first $30 charge to the homeowner for....
Mayor Ferre; All right, Mr. Andrews, I'll tell you I would recommend that this
commission go on record authorizing you to oppose anything that would in any
way harm our existing financial structure. Now is that broad enough?
Mr, Andrews; Yes, sir.
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ENJo1N IN .+"NATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRIS',\ CONSCIOUSNESS, INC
14g, VIOLATING CITY ORDINANCES AT PREMISES: 4001 KUMMAT AVENI'L
ENJOINING USE OF SAID PROPERTY AS NUISANCE
Mr. Lloyd: Mr, Mayor, first I would like to have a resolution passed fegarding
the Harry Krishna Organization with this brief explanation.
Mayor Ferre: Are you for them or against them?
Mr. Lloyd: I'm frank to admit I guess I'm against them but actually what has
happened is Mr. Ferencik due to violations of :he South Florida Building Code
and the zoning code attempted to take appropriate acticn because of a dangerous
situation existing there to cut off their water and electricity and we were
enmoined from doing that. Now we must file an answer and a motion to dissolve
this injunction very shortly. The deadline is running short. Now what I would
like to do due to the file we have on this and the complaints received is to
file in addition to that a counter claim against them for an injunction of our
own. Now routinely I can file the response and move to dissolve the injunction
but I cannot file the counter claim unless I get authority from the commission.
So I would like to propose a resolution. The resolution is as follows: ....
Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute. Do you see how many empty chairs you're talking to?
Just hold up. I don't see anything in this resolution says they can't sell lolli-
pops to the City Manager. Do you want to buy a lillipop, Paul?
Mr. Andrews: I tell you, you don't see as many of them on the streets anymore
as you used to.
Mr. Lloyd: I would like to propose that in few of the fact I must file an
answer and a motion to dissolve this injunction that the city has against it
within the next day or two or three; at the same time, if we want to have a
counterclaim or counter petition for an injunction against them I must file it
at the same time. I require authority from the City Commission to file the
counterclaim. I do not require authority to file the answer but I do require
authority to file the counter claim so I propcse this resolution: (Thereupon
the City Attorney read the proposed resolution by title.)
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-253
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO
TAKE SUCH ACTION AS HE MAY DEEM APPROPRIATE FOR THE PURPOSE
OF ENJOINING THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUS-
NESS, INC., A FLORIDA CORPORATION, FROM VIOLATING CITY OF
MIAMI ORDINANCES OR SOUTH FLORIDA BUILDING CODE OR BOTH AT
THE PROPERTY AND PREMISES LOCATED AT 4001 KUMQUAT AVENUE,
MIAMI, FLORIDA, OWNED OR OCCUPIED BY INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY
FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS, INC. AND FURTHER, TO ENJOIN THE
USE OF SAID PROPERTY AND PREMISES AS A NUISANCE.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on
file in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Mr. Reboso, Rev. Gibson, Mr. Plummer and Mayor Ferre.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Mrs. Gordon
MAR 121975
50, CLAIM SE1_,1:MENT - MARY B. CLAY
Me following resolution was introduced ty Commissioner Plummet, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-254
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO PAY TO
MARY B. CLAY, A WIDOW, WITHOUT THE ADMISSION OF LIABILITY,
THE SUM OF $7500.00 IN FULL AND COMPLETE SETTLEMENT OF HER
CLAIM AGAINST THE CITY OF MIAMI FOR ALLEGED PERSONAL INJUR-
IES SUSTAINED BY MARY B. CLAY, UPON THE EXECUTION OF A RE,.
LEASE RELEASING THE =TY OF MIAMI FROM ALL CLAIMS AND DEMANDS.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote-
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
51, RETAIN LAW FIRM OF
PETTIGREW AND BAILEY
The following resolution was
moved its adoption:
RESEARCH LEGAL HISTORY AND TITLE OF THE
BALL POINT PROPERTY AND RENDER REPORTS
TO CITY ATTORNEY FOR TRANSMISSION TO THE
CITY COMMISSION
introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
RESOLUTION NO. 75-255
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO
RETAIN THE LAW FIRM OF PETTIGREW AND BAILEY, MIAMI, FLORIDA
TO CONDUCT RESEARCH OF THE LEGAL HISTORY AND TITLE OF THE
BALLPOINT PROPERTY; TO RENDER SUCH REPORTS AND RECOMMENDAT-
IONS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR TRANSMISSION TO THE CITY COM-
MISSION AS THE CITY ATTORNEY MAY DEEM APPROPRIATE; PROVIDING
FOR A FEE TO BE PAID AT THE RATE OF $75.00 AN HOUR UP TO A
MAXIMUM OF $11,250.00; ALLOCATING FUNDS FROM THE PARKS FOR
PEOPLE BOND FUND FOR THE PAYMENT OF SAID FEE.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
MAR 1 2 197,E
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The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Reboso, Who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-256
A RESOLUTION PERMITTING FREE USE OF WATSON ISLAND FOR THE
SECOND ANNUAL FIESTA FOR MIGRANT FARM WORKERS TO BE HELD ON
APRIL 27, 1975 BETWEEN 10:00 A.M. TO 7:00 P.M.; AUTHORIZING
THE SALE OF FOOD, BEVERAGES AND ARTS AND CRAFT ITEMS; FUR-
THER AUTHORIZING THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF A TEMPOR-
ARY BARBECUE GRILL; SUBJECT TO ADVANCE PAYMENT FOR EVENT PER,
SONNEL, INSURANCE AND OTHER DIRECT COSTS BORNE BY THE CITY.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Co.missioner Plummer, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
53, CONDOLENCES - DEATH OF JACK SILVERMAN
The following resolution was intro'?uce3 rordcn, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-257
A RESOLUTION EXPRESSING DEEPEST SYMPATHY AND CONDOLENCES OF
THE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS IN ADDITIONAL TO ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES
OF THE CITY OF MIAMI TO THE FAMILY OF THE LATE JACK SILVERMAN
WHOSE RECENT PASSING HAS DEPRIVED THIS COMMUNITY OF A MOST RESPECT-
ED CITIZEN.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
54, APPOINTMENTS TO CONr1ITTEE ON CONCEPTUAL 1 SPQRTATION PLAN IMPLEMENTATION
�lASS TRANSIT'
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-258
A RESOLUTION APPOINTING LUCIUS WILLIAMS, LESTER FREEMAN AND
P.W. ANDREWS TO THE COMMITTEE ON CONCEPTUAL TRANSPORTATION
PLAN IMPLEMENTATION (MASS TRANSIT).
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES; Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
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55, ALLOCATE $35,O00 FOR CREATtON OF A MINI -PARK
1444 S. I , 8 STREET
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-259
A RESOLUTION OF INTEITT TO AUTHORIZE
STRUCT THE PROPER CITY OFFICIALS TO
THE UNALLOCATED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
A LATER DATE, FOR THE CREATION OF A
STREET, MIAMI.
THE CITY MANAGER TO IN, -
ALLOCATE $35,000.00 FROM
FUND, TO BE REIMBURSED AT
MINI=PARK AT 1444 S.W. 8TH
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote-
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Fere NOES: None.
AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER TO USE OF MIAMI BASEBALL STADIUM
REIMBURSE PEDIATRIC CARE NON PROFIT CONCERT SUBJECT TO COSTS
DO, CENTER FOR FEE PAID
HELD - FEB 7, 1975
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-260
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO
REIMBURSE THE PEDIATRIC CARE CENTER FOR THE FEE PAID FOR THE
USE OF THE MIAMI BASEBALL STADIUM FOR A NON-PROFIT CONCERN
ON FEBRUARY 7, 1975; SUBJECT TO PAYMENT FOR EVENT PERSONNEL,
INSURANCE AND OTHER DIRECT COSTS BORNE BY THE CITY.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
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57. CONDOLENCES DEATH OF TIIOMAS WASMUTH
•
CHAIRMAN 0t THE BOARD of URNINES
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gibson, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-261
A MOTION OF CONDOLENCES IN THE DEATH OF THOMAS Co WASMUTH.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the
and adopted by the following vote-
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner
Commissioner
Vice Mayor J.
Mayor Maurice
NOES: None.
58. AUTHORIZE MANAGER TO
NEGOTIATE AGREEMENT
MIAMI OUTBOARD CLUB
motion was passed
Rose Gordon
(Rev.) Theodore Gibson
L. Plummer, Jr.
A. Ferre
EXTEND PIERS 50' SUBJECT TO CONDITION
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission, I've been meeting with
both the Miami Yacht Club and the Miami Outboard to come to some understanding
as to what will occur in the future insofar as Watson Island is concerned.
While they feel rather adamant about continuing the kinds of services they
render and the use of Watson Island for their purposes they now understand the
position of the commissicn and some of the decisions that are facing the City
Commission as to the future development of Watson Island insofar as the plan
which has been submitted to the City Commission by Stone, the consultant which
provides for the location of both of those functions at one end of the island.
Now we're going to have more meetings to discuss this as time goes along. The
next meeting is in another 60 days. However, the Miami Outboard Club has made
a request that they be permitted to extend their existing dock, the dock that
they have an additional 50 feet with the understanding and they've written a
letter to the City at my request that this in no way encumbers the commission a
year and a half from now when their lease expires of making whatever decision
the City Commission would like to make in reference to the two clubs who are
located on the island. In other words they fully understand in the meeting
I had with them and other staff members and a letter I've received from them
that they're providing additional extension at their own risk. They realize
they only have 112 years as far as the lease is concerned. I'd like to have
motion from you authorizing me to go ahead.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75-262
A MOTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO
NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE MIAMI OUTBOARD CLUB FOR
EXTENDING ITS PIERS AN ADDITIONAL 50 FEET, SUBJECT TO
THE CONDITION THAT SUCH ACTION WILL IN NO WAY OBLIGATE
THE CITY AT THE EXPIRATION OF THE EXISTING LEASE BETWEEN
SAID ORGANIZATION AND THE CITY.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
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59, AMUSEMENTDES PERMIT ST, MARY'S CAEDRAL SCHOOL
1ARCH 21 THRU MARCH 23, 19/5
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 75-263
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF A PERMIT TO ST. MARY'S
CATHEDRAL SCHOOL FOR AMUSEMENT RIDES AT 7455 NORTHWEST 2ND AVENUE,
ON MARCH 21 THROUGH 23, 1975, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN TERMS AND CONDIT-
IONS.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor. Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None.
60, SET SPECIAL COMMISSION
MEETING ON
APRIL 4 - 3 P.m,
PURPOSE: TO REVIEW ARCHITLCTURAL
PROPOSALS FOR ORANGE BOWL
IMPROVEMENTS
Mr. Andrews: Mr. Mayor, I hope that can find a way, you and the balance of
the commission to set aside an afternoon or a morning to receive the findings
of the architect and engineer 'n the Orange Bowl improvements. I've reviewed
them and I'm anxious to show them to the users but I'm reluctant to do so be-
cause I feel that the commission should receive this information first. So
what we will do is invite the users to the same meeting that the commission
will have when they receive this information and then the commission if they
choose can solicit comments from the users. But with the presentation having
been made to the commission I'll be free then to go to the users and discuss
it with them more thoroughly. So would you please set a date when you'ld like
to do that. Would you set a date, Mr. Mayor, to receive the information from
the architect and engineers on the Orange Bowl Improvement plan? And I'd
like you to set a separate date rather than a Commission Meeting date because
I'm going to invite the users and the press and everyone and we'll review the
whole thing at one time.
Thereupon it was agreed to call a special commission meeting on April
24, 1975 at 3:00 O'Clock P.M. for the purpose of reviewing architectural
proposals for the Orange Bowl.
DIRECT CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY TO
APPEA
61, INTERAMA DISCUSSION EXISTINGEFORE OBLIGATIONAMA TO THEHCITYYOROUSECEPT
WHATEVER LEGAL MEANS NECESSARY -ALTERNATIVE
Mayor Ferre: As you remember, Interama turned, we had a lien on the property
at Interama. Now when the Rouse Plan came along I wasn't on the commission, you
were, Reboso was, Rose was, I think Father Gibson was. Dave Kennedy was the
Mayor. They came down here and explained something about the need and all of
the problems and what have you and the City of Miami accepted 93 acrds of land
in lieu of its lien. We drew its lien against the property and took title to
the 93 acres. All right? Now here is the dilemma we're in.
INAUDIBLE
Mayor Ferre: Plus 8+ million dollars that's owed to us.
Mr. Plummer: There was a plus on that item, Mr. Mayor. The plus was the
revenues being generated from the parking area so there was an additional
item besides the 93 acres.
Mayor Fevre; Well ok, I wasn't here and I don't remember. But the point
was that somehow this thing; Interama is down the drain or to me it is even
though it is still technically alive. Now here is what the problem is, Rose.
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When that legislature meets in April the Interama Authority is going to be
wiped out, it is not going to Exist anymore. And the legislature is going to
try to take that land, not our 93 acres but the rest of that land. Now the
intent when the City of Miami turned around and accepted all of this it was
all done on the premise that this was going to be, we were sacrificing; the
City of Miami was being sacrificed so that Interama could become a reality.
Now Interama is not a reality, the Rouse Plan never went into affect and the
Bicentennial dream is gone for Interam. Now the state is going to take the
land. Now that's not what we bargained for. Vow we've got one of two things
that we can do: We can just fold up and just let them go ahead and do whatever
they want to. If the Interama Authority survives which I doubt, the only way
it will survive is if it turns over its functions to Metropolitan Dade County
which is fine. But before we get to that we've got to protect the City of
Miami because we've got 81 million dollars coming to us. So here is what I
would recommend. Now wait a minute, John, I know what you're going to say
and before you say it let me just beat you to the punch and put it to you this
way. I would like to recommend that this authority, this commission author-
ize the manager and the City Attorney to investigate one of two possibilities.
This gives you an out. Either to negotiate with Metropolitan Dade County or
the state, whichever agency looks like it's going to end up with this whole
project. The protection of the City of Miami for their. 812 million dollars or
that we seriously consider slapping a lien on the rest of that property again
to protect us.
Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, Mr. Mayor, I'm at a loss. We already have better than
a lien. We have deeds to 93 acres to the most choice of that real estate.
Mayor Ferre: That isn't what's 8t2 million dollars.
Mr. Plummer: What? It's worth 13 million? Now as far. as I'm concerned that
deed in hand is worth more than a lien which you ain't never going to collect.
Mayor Ferre: Oh I'm not going to give up on the 93 acre3. Let me tell you
what my real intention is so we don't have any misunderstanding. I would hate
for that land to be lost to this community. And I would hate for the state to
end up with that property.
Mr. Plummer: Well they can't end up with ours.
Mayor Ferre: No, but they can end up with the rest of it and the rest of it
is an obligation, you know it was our land.
Mr. Lloyd: Mayor, one thing. Even if we had a lien that is not a mortgage
so that doesn't mean we could get the property back for failure to pay the lien.
Mayor Ferre: I don't want it back. I just want to make sure that our 81
million dollars is protected.
Mr. Lloyd: Mr. Mayor, what the problem is that that is the consideration, a
release of that lien was the consideration to get the 92.6 acres.
Mr. Plummer: Let me ask this question so I'm not under any misapprehensions.
Paul, in the city vaults somewhere you've got the deed to that 93 acres. Is
that correct?
Mr. Andrews: That's right. But as a practical matter
Mayor Ferre: We had 1800 acres and we ended up with 93
Mr. Plummer: Now wait a minute, be fair. We had an 81/2 million dollar commit-
ment. Now ok, you can deal with cards anywhere from there. That's what their
commitment is to us, 81 millino dollars.
Mayor Ferre: Who is they?
Mr. Plummer: They the state, the Interama Authority and all the way down the
line when I sit here and listen to Elton Gissendaner and all the rest of them
because you know the trick used to be - City of Miami, you're not in the picture
but by God the only place we can build a sewer plant is on City property, City
of Miami the only place we can build a power substation is on your property.
We didn't exist but boy when they needed someplace to put something they were
right here, right here.
MAR _t ` 1975
Mt. Andrews: Mr. Mayor, there is a third alternative which I would like to
explore and I'm sure that it is a viable way of improving the City's position
and that is that you authorize Mt. Lloyd and myself to appeat before the interama
Board before it becomes defunct recognizing that if it is going to be that the
land is not going to be used for Interama which was the reason for subordinating
our position to the 93 acres and that we have the Interama Board act to reinstall
our position prior to the time,that we subordinated ourselves. T;iis doesn't put
the state in that very good position that just can come in and take the land
then. Do you understand what I'm saying?
Mr. Plummer: Was our position before better tlan what it is now?
Mr. Andrews: Yes, we had a lien against all of the land.
Mts. Gordon: Yes, but that only meant if they paid off the 81 million then
they
Mayor Ferre: Father Gibson has to leave so I'd like this in the form of a
motion and because we .really have got to do something.
Mr. Plummer: I don't like tha':, I don't like that at all. I want that 93
acres.
Mayor Ferre: Wait, wait a moment, we're getting it all confused. We have
got the 93 acres
Mr. Plummer: But we didn't have it before this position.
Mayor Ferre: There is no question about it, we have got 93 acres unequivocably.
Is that right or wrong?
Mr. Andrews: That's right.
Mayor Ferre: All right, let's not discuss that anymore. Now, the point is...
Mr. Lloyd: I have the deed in front of me.
Mayor Ferre: All right. Now the point is, the point very simply before Father
Gibson leaves is that this thing is going to happen within the next two or three
months. Does the City of Miami want to do anything else to protect its position -
in my opinion we should, not only for ourselves but for the rest of this commun-
ity. I feel that we have a moral obligation to try to keep that land in either
Dade County's hands or somewhere locally. I don't want that going back to some
board in Tallahassee which is completely inaccesssible that we can never talk to
and never get anything from. Let me tell you something, this City of Miami always,
and South Florida always ends up getting the brunt of everything. I would rather
deal with Metropolitan Dade County with our local community than having to deal
in Tallahassee and I think we have an obligation to try to stop the state from
taking that property.
Rev. Gibson: I move.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Father Gibson moves and there is a second by Commis-
sioner Reboso that we authorize the Manager to go up before the authority in
the attempt to try to get them to accept the obligation in some form of a legal
way, #1. #2, if that does not work that we use any other legal means as defined
by the City Attorney of establishing and protecting our position. And the pur-
pose of it is 812 million dollars for the City of Miami (1) and (2) trying to
retain the property somewhere in this community. And if the Interama Authority
no longer exists and if Metropolitan County doesn't move on it that somehow if
the state moves that they're going to have to pay us our 84 million dollars.
That's all I'm trying to get out of it.
Mr. Plummer: I don't want that,
Mayor Ferre: You'd rather have 93 acres.
Mr. Plummer: Yes, sir! If the man tells me that 93 acres is worth...
said $13,000,000?
Mr. Lloyd: We didn't say that, the record says tha.: by virtue of apparently
an appraisal,
Mr, Plummer: Why in the hell would 1 substantially move my position from
13 million back down to 81?
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Mayor Ferre: Because Ski million dollars, flay friend, is cash and 93 acres ..
Let me finish! Let me finish. Ninety-three acres of nothing because you can't
sell it - by law you can't sell it.
Mr. Plummer: Fine, but I can put in one of the damnedest marinas you ever saw
in your life.
Mayor Ferre: Let's put it in at Dinner Key and let's put it in the City of
Miami. I don't want to have anymore Miami Shores Golf Courses. Let's help
the City of Miami, let's not get involved in other things. Now are you still
sticking to your motion? Reboso seconds. Further discussion?
Mrs. Gordon: Investigative operation, we're not taking any position on it as
I understand it.
Mayor Ferre: Rose, we don't have time to take investigation. We are telling
the Manager...
Mrs, Gordon: We might be jeopardizing the 90 some odd acrds. I'd rather have
that.
Mayor Ferre: No, no, you're not jeopardizing your 93 acres, you've got a title
to your land.
Mr. Plummer: You can't have your cake and eat it too. You're not playing with
children, you're playing with experts. They didn't run that into the ground...
Mayor Ferre: I'm not willing to fold up, I'll tell you that - I'm not going to
fold up. I'm going to fight this one to the very bitter end and if we lose we
lose but I'm not going to fold up on this.
Mrs. Gordon: But you don't want to lose the acreage, right?
Mayor Ferre: This in no way speaks to our 93 acres which we have a title to.
There is no way they can take that away from us.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Lloyd, in any way by taking an action in the affirmative we
jeopardize our deed on that 93 acres? In anyway can they reclaim the deed say-
ing ok, we go back to a former position, you have 84 million and we have your
acreage back?
Mr. Lloyd: Well that would have to be by negotiation.
Mrs. Gordon: But would that be... in that direction?
Mayor Ferre: And it would have to be...
Mr. Lloyd: Yes, and we would assume that would probably be the offer; I don't
know what it would be. We'd go up there and find out.
Mayor Ferre: The state would have to come back, Mr. Lloyd, and make us an
offer. We have the deed, they can't take that away from us.
Mr. Lloyd: No, I just said that.
Mayor Ferre: We have the deed; they have to make us an offer and this commis-
sion would then have to deliberate and make a decision. You don't have to make
that decision tonight, of course not.
Mr. Lloyd: This is true.
ON ROLL CALL:
Mrs. Gordon; Since the final decision is not tonight anyway I'll go along
and let the Manger investigate.
Mr. Plummer; Based on the same thing where it's only negotiation for a
final action before this commission, I don't see anything wrong with it.
Mayor Ferre: We're declaring it, obviously you're not telling the Manager
to go do this and then, you know obviously we're letting him do it, He can't
make a final agreement but you're not saying....
Mrs. Gordon; If I don't like what he comes back with I'm not going to
vote on it.
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Mayor Ferree Thatis true.
Ok,
vote yes,
The following motion was introduced by Comtitissioner Gibson, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 75=264
A MOTION AUTHORIZING A:JD DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER AND
THE CITY ATTORNEY TO APPEAR BEFORE THE INTER-AMERICAN
CENTER AUTHORITY IN AN ATTEMPT TO PERSUADE SAID BODY,
BEFORE IT IS DISSOLVED, TO ACCEPT ITS EXISTING OBLIGATION
TO THE CITY OF MIAMI; AND FAILING IN THAT, TO USE WHATEVER
LEGAL MEANS NECESSARY TO ESTABLISH AND PROTECT THE CITY'S
POSITION WITH RESPECT TO THE INTERAMA PROPERTY.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote-
AYES: Commissioner Menolo Reboso
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Vice Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
I THHERREESBEING NO FUOURNEDARTH R5OtJ I MESS TO COME BEFORE THE CITY COPM1I SS I ON THE
MEET
ATTEST: HicENHERN
ANTRi4(310§ CLERK
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MAYOR
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MEETING DATE:
March 12, 1975
ITEM NO
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DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION
COMMISSION
._ ACTION____
RETRIEVAL
CODE NO..__.
COMMISSION AGENDA AND CITY CLERK REPORT
0062
CONFIRMING ASSESSMENT ROLL FOR CONSTRUCTION OF N.W.
51 TERRACE ALLEY HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT H-4371 IN N.W.
51 TERRACE ALLEY HIGHWAY IMPROVMENT DISTRICT H-4371. R-75-223 75-223
GRANTING AN ADDITIONAL SIX-MONTH EXTENSION OF THE
"CONDITIONAL USE' (PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT) TO BE
LOCATED ON TRACTS 1 AND 2, TENTATIVE PLAT NO. 896
"RIVER COVE" AT NORTH RIVER DRIVE AND 17TH AVENUE.
ORDERING WEST GRAPELAND SANITARY SEWER IMPROVEMENT SR-
5387 C (CENTERLINE SEWER).
ORDERING WEST GRAPELAND SANITARY SEWER IMPROVEMENT SR-
5387-S (SIDELINE SEWER)
ACCEPTING THE COMPLETED WORK OF D.M.P. CONRPORATION
FOR THE S.W. 27 AVENUE PAVING PROJECT-1974 AT A TOTAL
COST OF $46,929.05
ACCEPTING THE COMPLETED WORK PERFORMED BY GARCIA
ALLEN CONSTRUCTION CO., INC.
ACCEPTING THE HIGHWAY RIGHT OF WAY DEED EXECUTED BY
NATIONAL PARKINSON FOUNDATION ON JANUARY 20, 1975
RESCINDING RESOLUTION NO. 74-458
APPROVING A ONE (1) YEAR EXTENSION OF EMPLOYMENT PAST
THE AGE OF SEVENTY-ONE (71) FOR JUAN PEREZ.
R-75-226
R-75-227
R-75-228
75-226
75-227
75-228
R-75-229 75-229
R-75-230 75-230
R-75-231 75-231
R-75-232 75-232
R-75-233 75-233
RATIFYING THE ACTION TAKEN BY THE CITY MANAGER OF THE
CITY OF MIAMI TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE
MANPOWER PLANNING COUNCIL OF DADE AND MONROE COUNTIES. R-75-234 75-234
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY CLERK TO
ENTER INTO A NEW AGREEMENT WITH THE BALTIMORE BASE-
BALL CLUB FOR USE OF THE MIAMI BASEBALL STADIUM BY THE
BALTIMORE ORIOLES BASEBALL TEAM FOR THE 1975 SPRING
TRAINING SEASON R-75-235 75-235
REAPPOINTING COMMISSIONER ROSE GORDON AS THE CITY
COMMISSION'S REPRESENTATIVE TO THE COMMUNITY ACTION
ADMINISTERING BOARD.
SETTING MARCH 25, 1975 AT 3 P.M. FOR THE SEMI-ANNUAL
TAXICAB HEARING,
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO RETAIN LOUIS
LAUREDO AS ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TO THE MAYOR FOR
A PERIOD OF ONE (1) YEAR.
R-75-236
R-75-237
R-75-238
75-236
75-237
75-238
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CONTINUED
DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION
AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO SUBMIT
A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
SERVICES FOR A ONE (1) YEAR PERIOD.
AUTHORIZING THE CONTRIBUTION OF $7,500 FROM THE CON-
TINGENCY FUND TO THE CHARLES IVES CENTENNIAL FESTIVAL
ALLOCATING $6,000.00 FROM THE CONTINGENT FUND TO THE
BUILDING DEPARTMENT FUND TO COVER AN ANTICIPATED SHORT-
AGE IN THE DEMOLITION EXPENSE ACCOUNT'S 1974-75 FISCAL
YEAR BUDGET.
ACCEPTING THE BID FOR THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT
AND NEW AND ADDITIONAL VEHICLES -PHASE 1, FOR THE DE-
PARTMENT OF PUBLIC PROPERTIES.
ACCEPTING THE BID RECEIVED FROM FARREY'S WHOLESALE
HARDWARE FOR FURNISHING FIFTY (50) LITTER RECEPTACLES
AT A TOTAL COST OF $4,975.00
AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO TAKE
SUCH ACTION AS HE MAY DEEM APPROPRIATE FOR THE PUR-
POSE OF ENJOINING THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR
KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS, INC.
AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO PAY TO MARY
B. CLAY, WITHOUT THE ADMISSION OF LIABILITY, THE SUM
OF $7500.00 IN FULL AND COMPLETE SETTLEMENT OF HER
CLAIM AGAINST THE CITY OF MIAMI FOR ALLEGED PERSONAL
INJURIES SUSTAINED BY MARY B. CLAY.
AUTHORIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO RETAIN THE LAW FIRM
OF PETTIGREW AND BAILEY, TO CONDUCT RESEARCH OF THE
LEGAL HISTORY AND TITLE OF THE BALLPOINT PROPERTY.
PERMITTING FREE USE OF WATSON ISLAND FOR THE SECOND
ANNUAL FIESTA FOR MIGRANT FARM WORKERS TO BE HELD ON
APRIL 27, 1975.
EXPRESSING DEEPEST SYMPATHY AND CONDOLENCES OF THE
MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS IN ADDITION TO ALL THE EMPLOY-
EES OF THE CITY OF MIAMI TO THE FAMILY OF THE LATE
JACK SILVERMAN.
APPOINTING LUCIUS WILLIAMS, LESTER FREEMAN AND P.W.
ANDREWS TO THE COMMITTEE ON CONCEPTUAL TRANSPORTATION
PLAN IMPLEMENTATION (MASS TRANSIT)
INTENT TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO INSTRUCT THE
PROPER CITY OFFICIALS TO ALLOCATE $35,000.00 FROM
THE UNALLOCATED CAPITAL IMPROVMENT FUND, TO BE REIM-
BURSED AT A LATER DATE.
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO REIMBURSE THE PEDI-
ATRIC CARE CENTER FOR THE FEE PAID FOR THE USE OF THE
MIAMI BASEBALL STADIUM FOR A NON-PROFIT CONCERT ON
FEBRUARY 7, 1975
cotiktlaT6N
Arrt ON ____
R-75-240
R-75-247
R-75-249
R-75-250
R-75-251
R-75-253
R-75-254
R-75-255
R-75-256
R-75-257
R-75-258
R-75-259
R-75-260
ODE__NO, ,.,_.._..
75-240
75-247
75-249
75-250
75-251
75-253
75-254
75-255
75-256
75-257
75-258
75-259
75-260
UMENT11NDEX
CONTINUED
DOCUMENT IDENTIPICATION
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AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE DFAPERMIT TO ST^ MARY'S
CATHEDRAL 8C400L FOR AMUSEMENT RIDES AT 7455 NORTH-
WEST 20D &VO0D8^ ON MARCH 21 TBDODQB 23, 1975.
B_75-363
75-263