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MINUTES C. SPECIAL MEETING
CITY COMMISSION OF MIAMI, FLORID
ITEM NO, SUBJ[CT
ORD NANCE OR
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D 1. General
General Discussion - F'rcosed idi.11are l zcr::asii
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2 • Corre
ction to Motion 1�.c:,3arding Holiday Waste 0
Collection - M-76-874
1 Di:.,cussion
6. Appropri.at:_on of Fcderal Revenue Sharing Fund -
Discussion 1 Discussion
Emergency Ordinance F eaera.- Revenue Sharing l Orc:inance
7. g Y 8578
3. Day Care - Discussion
Q. Resolution Finalizing Budget
5. Establishir.c Dates o: Pu:olic Hearings
Funds App:opriations
8. Personal A-,.pCarance : Robert Paulk
Additianai.-`'un<,; in Civil ServiceBoard Budgt
9. Resolution Making Distri._jution of Federal
Revenue Sharing Funds
10. Personal Al pearance : Ro3ert Paulk - Di scussi
o= Sections 63 & 65 of City Charter
11. Miscellaneous Discussion Items
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ADJOURNMENT
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R-76-376
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MINUTES OF RECESSED MEETING
CITY COMMISSION OF MIAMI, FLORIDA
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On the 7th day of October, 1976, the City Commission of Miami,
Florida reconvened at its regular meeting place a-: City Lall in said
City in SPECIAL S _,SSION Lo consider the proposed appropr:. aticn
ordinance for the City of Miami for fiscal year 1976-197;, continued
from previous eveoinc.
The meeting was called to order at 2:04 0.'Clock P.M. with the
following members of the Commission present:
Co.:jmissioner (Re.'.) Theodore Gibson
Coa.rnissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Vile Mauer Rope Gordon
Mayor Maurice A. Ferro
Also Present:
Joseph R. Grassie, City Manager
Frank Weston, Actil.g City Attar: .:y
Ralph G. Ongie, City Clerk
An invocat on was delivered by Commissioner (Rev.; Gibson,
who then led those_ present in a pledge of aile.giaoce to the flag.
1. GENERAL DISCL7_.: IO_: - PROPOSED MILLAGE INCRLAo .;:
Mayor Ferro: Air ght, this _s a continuation of the spe. ia.i meeting
of the City es (... 6 ior., started October 3th at L :00 P.M.,
dealing with t'ne Ou z,Jct. Toe agenda, number 1, is resolution final-
izing the budget. Mr. Manager.
Mr.. Crassie: Yes. m . Mayor. _One two items that we have leftover
from yesterday's eiscussion are one, to attempt to arrive at a final-
ization of the budget any: two, to set date for public he, ring. In
addition to that, we would like to bring up, for your consideration,
what needs to be cone in or;ier to fund the social service agencies
whose money is going to be running out unless we do something today.
So if we could, IL-. Mayor, tole first cider of business ti:at we woulc
suggest is the ad.Iption el a very simple resolution whici: I know that
you have seen before. r.: 'i".;:: Is a re'soil;tiori that would a_ low us to fll7_
in the newspaper the «d:3 that would establish the public Hearings sc
that we would com .`y . _ — toe i gal t:imU reouircirents the.. are neces-
sary. I should emphasize that this is not the same as ai oro:Jriatinc
a budget, this .s simply the finalization of a budget w'r,: oh means tha-,_
you have finished your cor.s:aerution of it. You have treated all of
the items that yo_. want to talk about.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, Mr. Manager, I'd like clarificatic.n on this.
Does this take a -:/5 or a s_:npL: majority?
Mr. Crassie: Thi._ is a reso...ucion, Mr. Mayor, and would require a
simple majority for aeo_Jtion.
Mayor Ferre: Are there Ly;,,e:;Lions on this resolution as presented
before you?
Mr. Plummer: Questions, Mr. Mayor, or clarifications?
Mayor Ferre: There is no metio.a yet so this is just disc ..scion.
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Mr. Plummer: Well isn't this tent amount to sending up the smoke and
the fire comes later?
Mayor Ferre: Yes.
Mr. Grassie: This is tent amount to indicating the intention of the
City Commission to approve a budget such as you have been reviewing
if you approve this resolution, yes.
Mr. Plummer: And the advertisement has to carry the percentage that
you're intending to increase.
Mr. Grassie: That is correct. That is quite important.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Weston, do you concur with the :4anager`s opinion
as tc the procedure and what it requires for voting purposes here?
Mx. Weston: Yes sir, we have consulted about this previously.
Mayor Ferre: You've made legal study on this?
Mr. Weston: Yes sir.
Mr. Plummer: And you say that in your legal findings thLt a simple
majority of this Commission can tentatively set the millz.ge of this
City on a simple majority vote.
Mr. Weston:
Mr. Plummer:
Mayor Ferre:
Yes, sir.
On an emergency basis?
No, it can't be emergency.
Mr. Weston: If I might clarify that. The Commission and I have
accepted the requ:.rement, the 4/5 vote in our previous considerations
but I've gone back and checked the Statutes, I've consulted both with
Mr. Lloyd and with Jack Rice and I find nothing in any of the Ordinemees
or Statutes requiring a 4/5 vote to conduct the business of the City
in setting the millage or adopting the budget. The reason that 4/5
has been required in the past is because it has normally been done as
an emergency ordinance and an emergency ordinance does require 4/5.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, further questions.
Mr. Plummer: So this is not on an emergency. Second reading will be
when?
Mr. Grassie: This is just a resolution, it's not an ordinance.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, further questions. Is there a motion?
Mr. Reboso: I move.
Mayor Ferre: i'1::. read it, "A Resolution accepting and _inalizing the
budget as proposed by the City Manager and as amended by the City
Commission on...
Mr. Reboso: October 7th, and I move it.
Mayor Ferre: Moved by Reboso. Is there a second?
Rev. Gibson; Seccnd.
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Mayor Ferre: Seconded by Gibson. Further discussion.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, just for the record, I'm going to state that
until such time as 1 am furnished with a copy of what these amendment
are, I have not seen a copy of that but I think that this resolution
is totally out of order and at best, uninformative.
Mayor Ferre: Well 1 think that's a valid request.
Mr. 'lummer: I dc:n't know t:that the amendments are.
Mayor Ferre: I think that the:_: is no wady we could pass a resolution
without having a Lull impact and information before us.
Mr. Grassie: I w,-,uicX ajrce, M Mayor. If ycu w:.sh to ;_ ick up the
two items that arc. on your desk in front of you t_tled "city Clerk
Reports ", they sp�..cify each action that you have taken by motion and
they constitute a. 1 of the :_han.Jes that you have made in the budget.
Mayor Ferre: Alr.Lgr.t, you ,ill turn oft tho.;e lights, we're going:
to take a 5 minute: recess while all members of the Commission have
opportunity to read this.
Mr. Plummer: For the record, I wish to indicate that this which is
handed to us by t:.e Clerk is incomplete and...
Mayor Ferre: For the record, veny don't you tell us where.
Mr. Plummer: 4;e1:_ it's inc3r pi.3te bases upon the fact tireit motions
were -.ade but et cae rx't. show t:;e result. These are mint.zes of a
meeting and 1 don't recall right off nand exactly all of those that
passed and those that did not Lass.
Mr. Cngie: Ali of the motions and resolutions that are c.n these
documents passed.
Mr. Plummer: They did pass?
Mr. Gngie: Yes. I dad not include any that failed.
Mr. Grassie: Just for clarification, Ralph, is it the practice of the
Clerk that when ycu assign a motion or resolution number that that
indicates that it has passed?
Mr. Ongie: Yes.
Mr. Grassie: So anything that rias a number there has passed.
Mr. Ongie: That's correct.
Mr. Plummer: You're wrong.
Mr. Gngie: No, 5_r.
Mr. Plummer: You re telling me that the practice of the Clerk's Office
at anytime a number ie aseigned...
Mr. Grassie: I'm askin ; a qLe lion, not making a statement. My que=3; ion.
is, is it the practice that anytime a number is assigned to an ordin_ n—e
or a resolution tl.at thet ineiC..tcs that it has gassed. The asSUT;1c e,
is that if a motion or ordinance does not pass that it is not assignee
a number and that's a question.
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Mayor Terre: Well furthermore, I think with the exception, I'm trying
to go back in my mind. The two things that did not pass yesterday,
and by that I mean did not get 3 votes, were actually withdrawn. One
was that $10,000 to the Metro Arts Council...
Mr. Grassie: I believe, Mr. Mayor, the intent of this is that it
record what you have done and the assumption is that if you make a
motion and it fai:_s, then you have not done anvthing. Sc this really
is a record of what you have accomplished, what you have done.
Mayor Ferre: And the only thing we voted on that failed was that
Dade County school participation, the research officer program. And
as I recall, that vote was 2-3. Rose and I, that's the cnly vote
that I recall that actually went to a vote and failed. Everything else
passed.
Mr. Angie: That's right, Mr. Mayor, I have my book here.
Mr. Plummer: There was no motion made on Day Care, just an awful lot
of discussion.
Mayor Ferre: No, sir.
Mr. Ongie: Yes sir, that passed.
Mayor Ferre: That was covered and...
Mr. Plummer: On day care?
Mr. Ongie: On after school care.
Mr. Plummer: That's the difference.
Mr. Ongie: No, not day care.
Mr. Plummer: Thee was no vote taken on day care.
Mr. Ongie: No, sir.
Mayor Ferre: There was no vote taken on day care?
Mr. Plummer: Nope.
Mr. Grassie: Just for clarification, there are two day care, there
is a day care program and there is afterschool care program associates
with the community schools.
Mayor Ferre: Rose, you better listen now because...
Mrs. Gordon: I'm listening but I'm also hearing that the day care wae
in the original...
Mayor Ferre: That's right, $1,570,000.
Mrs. Gordon: $1,300,000. No, that was in the $1,300,00(2.
Mayor Ferre: Rose, look, it passed an I want you to be very careful
now. Keep your eye on the ball. The ball is 76-368, that passed 3-2,
Now if you will notice, in that motion in item number 3, there is an
amount of $1,570,000.
Mr. Plummer: Which one are you on now?
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Mayor Ferre: 76-868.
Mr. Cngie: Mr. Mayor, that adjustment was incorporated on the second
page and the first reading ordinance that's on the next page.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, then there's that motion which is 76-... That's
after school and community school,: that passed. Right?
Mr. Cngie; Yes, Sir.
Mayor Ferre: And then you will notice inffirst reading the appropria iee
of Federal Revenue Sharing. You will notice that that was included
within that.
Mr. Plummer: On c68, I recail that you had 5 points.
Mayor Ferre: The;: e were 5 points.
Mr. Plummer: Well there is only four here.
Mayor Ferre: Welt. because the fifth one really was
Mr. Plummer: What. was the fifth one?
Mayor Ferre: One was the millage.
(INALDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: We eiscussed it and then I amended it to f:.ve. One was
the i-iilage , one ,: as the fact tnat we were going to have to increase
the mi l lase , prove sufficient money for salary and wages increase.
Social progrc:ms -le) be increased to $1, 570, 000 and the Mar.ager to cut
from the depar-tme:.tai to whatever increases we give. Those w' re the
basic four things. There was something else that came up. It came
up after discus.i,in.
Mr. Plummer: That motion supposedly failed and then you ruled later
on...
Mayor Ferre: No, I didn't rule:. I'll tell you what happened. It
didn't fail, it was 3-5 and I didn't say a word about it, we just
kept on going and then later on, after Mr. Weston and I discussed, he
explained to me that since it was a motion, it technically had passed.
I was confused any. I admit it on the record as to the fact that we
needed 4/5 vote.
Mr. Plummer: Her it is, I've got it. Number one, increase the mil-
lage; number two, salary .increases; number three, the social programs
to $1,570,000; nu::ber four, cut from the individual budgets the per-
centage needed; a:id fifth...
Mayor Ferre: By •she manager.
Mr. i'luirmer: Thai's your wording, yes, and add the million dollars
in the supplement..:).
Mayor Ferre: Oh yes, t:iat's correct.
Mr. Plummer: The: this is incorrect.
Mayor Ferre: Wei__ no, T' l to: you why that wasn't uonc. Because
we discussed that. Technically we've already passed the others in
resolution form se, .t didn't need the...
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Mr. Plummer: Only an intent.
Mayor Ferre: Well that's all this is.
Mr. Plummer: Oh, I see what you mean.
Mayor Ferre: So in other words, technically, since that was already
passed, we don't reed to include it in here because that would be
Mr. Plummer: Well you see, then we can't accept both of these sheets
as amendments.
Mayor Ferre: Why not?
Mr. Plummer: Because there is a conflict. Motion 857 says increase
it from $900,000 cn social services to $1,300,000 and over here you
changed it and went from $1,300,000 to $1,570,000.
Mayor Ferre: Let me tell you what the difference is. If you will
notice at the top right-hand corner, one says October 30t:z and the
other is October 6th which means that the latest one supersedes the
previous one. There is no conflict.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Grassie, 7 understood 858 to be a little different.
It says a motion "if financially feasible". That really wasn't the
way that I made the motion. The motion that I made told you to do i
and go back and negotiate to try to get the best price that you could.
Did you understand it that way?
Mr. Grassie: Yes.
2. CORRECTION TO MOTION REGARDING HOLIDAY WASTE COLLECTION:
Mr. Plummer: Well this says, is contingent upon "if financially
feasible", and I think the way Father wanted the wording .'ias not to
exceed the 270 but I gave you the latitude to go back and negotiate
the best price that you could since they had indicated that there was
room of negotiation so this is incorrect.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mr. Plummer: The single sheet, Rose, 858 on the Holiday Extra Pick-
up Day. This here makes it contingent upon it being financially
feasible. Well we know if nothing is negotiated it's $270,000.
Mayor Ferre: Have you got a copy of the motion the way it was read?
Mr. Ongie: I made just a slight adjustment to the wording. I have
in my book that he said, "if possible...
Mayor Ferre: Who made the motion?
Mr. Ongie: Mr. Plummer made the motion and...
Mayor Ferre: Wel_ read the motion the way Plummer made it.
Mr. Ongie: That the Saritation Department, that the Holiday Collectioi
in the Sanitation Department be reinstated if possible financially
and that the Manager be given a..thority to negotiate...
Mayor Ferre: I've asked to reau the wording that he has.
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Mr. Plummer: Then I'll ask him to clo to the tapes. Beceuse it was
my intent that it be reinstated without question and that the Manager
be given the authorization since: there has been...
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer, may I recommend, so that we can move ahead,
on a real simple basis is you make a motion to amend motion 76-858
and strike the word "if".
Mr. ; iummer: "It Lina;Icialiy feasible". It would read this way.
"A motion of intc:.t that the Hc,lida;% Waste Collection by the Sanita-
tion Department be reinstated, and that the City Manager be c'iven the
authority to nego':.iate cost tires and present them to the City
Commission".
Mayor Ferre: Is that acceptable? Alright, is that a motion?
Mr. Plummer: Yes. fine.
Mr. Cngie: We already had a motion on the floor, Mr. Ma':or.
Mayor Ferro: Oh, I berg your pardon. I'll tell you what. Father,
may I ask you to :,_emove your motion and we will come bac:. to it becau_::
I think Commissioner Plummer is right that we have to ma} e sure that
all cf these becomes one tic to the other so if you woulc. remove your
motion and would the seconder remove his.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: Oh, you made the motion. Alright, would you remove
your motion and would you remove your second.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: Alright, since there are no motions on the floor, I
recocgnize Commissioner Plummer for the motion.
Mr. Plummer: Do you want rue to re -read it, Ralph?
Mr. Cngie: No, I have it Mr. ?lummer.
Mayor Ferre: Alr=ght, Commissioner Plummer moves that September 30,
1976 motion numbez 76-858 be amended as he read into the record. I:..
there a second?
Rev. Gibson: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Seconded by Gibson. Further discussion on the amended
motion? Call the roll.
Thereupon, the following motion was introduced by Commissioner
Plummer who moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 76-874
A MOTION AMr,_VDINC WeTION NO. 76-858 BY STRIKI.iG
THE WOi.DS "12 FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE".
Upon being se.eonc ee by C:,rmissioner (Rev.) Gibson, the motion
was passed and adopted by the iiollowing vote -
AYES: (Re,!.) Ti-:c::cdore Gibsor.
Co = iio:ler J. L. Pli:Tlr, jr.
Comm,issi, r.er M:ncio Reboso
V._ce MLyf; : Rose Gordon
mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NCES; None„
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Mayor Ferre: Anything else?
Mr. Plummer: Okay, we did nothing on "911", that'S why it doesn't
appear with the understanding on "911" that the $25,000 as proposed
in the original budget of the Manager is to remain.
3. DAY CARE - DISCUSSION:
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I would like to once again stanc. corrected.
Well I think this has a bearing so let me bring it up uncer discussior
Mr. Mayor, I once again stand corrected, I'm the .first one to admit
when I make a mistake, yesterday I brought to your attention the cost
of individually per -student in day care center and I had originally
told you that it ‘as $ 2 , 400 per student. I then had to he corrected
and found figures which indicated to me that it was $2,6C0 per studen-,.
and now the actual figures have been correctec. and I am cuoting not
from my figures but that of Mr. Parkins. That, in fact, after resear::iir.
the idea, that each student in the day care cost the taxl.ayers of th,i:
City $2,860.80.
Mayor Ferre: Well what does that speak to?
Mr. Plummer: In other words, the figure is $260.80 higher than...
Mayor Ferre: Yes but what motion particularly is that ccming from?
Mr. Plummer: I'm not saying that except that it speaks .o the entirety
and this which you are going to advertise is on the entirety.
Mayor Ferre: Wel_ that doesn't mean that you or I or Ro:e or anybody
that wants to can't vote for or against anything that cor..es up.
Mrs. Gordon: I have to make a correction to the figures you have, Mr.
Plummer, because \•%nat you added in and didn't take into account was
the grant money that the state is giving us and of course that is tax
money and so is revenue sharing tax money.
Mr. Plummer: Yes mam, that's included.
Mrs. Gordon: We all pay so we have to figure everything all together_
Mr. Plummer: Yes mam, that's all included. Would somebody make some
copies of this because it's pretty indepth as to what it really
actually... This also included, Rose, the fees that are used.
Mayor Ferre: Did you get that from Parkins?
Mr. Plummer: Yes, I had asked for it and it has just now been presened
to me. And by the way, Mr. Mayor, there was another big mistake in
the fact that they're not, as Mr. Molins indicated that there were
Manpower people, : think there is near 11.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Plummer, the records need to be clarif.ed because
the figures that _ have received are $286,000 worth of program costs
and that did not include the monies that were collected Ln fees.
Dividing that by let's say a minimum of 150 children, that doesn't adc_
up tc $2,000.
Mr. Plummer: Res,_., please use their figures you've just been given a
copy of it and if you find any fault with the figures, I would...
Mayor Ferre: Alright, the Chair is going to make the fo_lowing state-
ment to both of you and to all of us. You have ample opportunity to
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discuss this at the public hearings. You have the information and I'r.�
sure that this will come up at that time so I think it's important
that you clarify the record and then we will further clarify it when
the time.comes to have a public hearing on it.
4. RESOLUTION FINALIZING BUDGET:
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, let me just clarify the record and once
again not to belabor the point but it has been my contention from th.3
beginning that this Commission can come under certified millage. Nov
when I say that, certain things have got to give, it would be tough.
But here again, making decisions based upon knowledge such as this
backs my contention and that's why I brought it up.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer, I'll tell you, you come on the 14th and
the 16th loaded for and I will promise you, as Chairman, that
I will give you all the time that you may need and I may end up votii
with you, I don't know.
Mr. Plummer: That would hurt me.
Mayor Ferre: No, I think you need more than your own vote unless
politics has changed now and it's all a practice in contility, I think
you need, as I recall, first you need to get elected and then you need
to carry the majority so I would say that you come loader: for bear anc:
if you can convince this Commission, including the Chairr..an here, that
you're right and we can go to certified millage, god bless you, I'll
vote with you.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, once again I will reiterate on the statement
that you made yesterday and I will reverse it. When you and Mr. Reboso
became upset, and rightfully so , that Commissioner
Plummer spent 150 hours in the budget office, researching...
Mayor Ferre: No, because you made a statement that is absolutely nct
so: I not only did not get upset, I publicly commended you for it.
Mr. Plummer: No sir, that's not the point.
Mx. Reboso: J. L., I was not upset with you, I was upset at the fact
that the ones that you found, those documents, they were not made
public to the City Commission.
Mr. Plummer: If I were to be_allowed to finish my statement, I would
have said exactly what you were going to say that you were not furnished
with that information and I recall your statement, Mr. Mayor, at that
time which was very correct, that it is not a commissioner's job to do
that. I then call your attention, Mr. Mayor, to the way that you hanclec.
budget last year which, as you will recall, I agreed to with and thin:
that it should be this year. No, it is not this Commission's job to
say here is where the cuts are going to be. If you will recall, what
you did last year is you said to the Manager, Mr. Manager, go back,
cut your budget by 5%, 8%, 10% and on up so that we, the Commission,
can come back and realize what an 8% reduction would cosy, what a 6%,
and I say that's what you should have done this year because what ycu're
talking about, Mr. Mayor, which I will be glad to furnish you all a copy,
once again is not my figures, that if you cut this budget by 7.347%,
you come under certified millage. In what you are proposing, Mr. Mayor,
you're going to do it backwards. You're going to approve the millage
and then turn around and cut 5.6%.
Mayor Ferre: Hey papa, we've been through this before. Look, let the
tell you, 868, item 4, does exactly that. I'll read it to you. "That
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the City Manager be instructed to cut from proposed departmental
budgets, a percentage that is discretion in order to meet employee
demands for salary increases." I know what you're saying. i want
to tell you that circumstances have changed.
Mr. Plummer: But have they changed for the good or the bad?
Mayor Ferre: I don't know that.
Mr. Plummer: Well I think you should.
Mayor Ferre: Well only God knows that. What you're asking me is to
guarantee the future. All I can tell you is my best judgement is that
we've got a new City Manager and we've got alot of lawsuits confronting
us and we've got alot of problems and in my opinion, it's time to give
that man a vote of confidence. This is like a parliamentary system
and I don't want him to be like poor old Mr. Smith over there that
only has a .3% lead in his parliament and I'm just saying, okay Grasses,
you got a vote of confidence, now you go to it.
Mr. Plummer: I hope you buy 4 rubberstamps. Mr. Mayor, all I'm sayi::g
to you is, very simple...
Mayor Ferre: Four rubberstamps?
Mr. Plummer: Four rubberstamps because what you're saying is that
you're going to approve what the Manager puts forth in a vote of
confidence.
Mayor Ferre: Don't you know that that's what we've always done except
that we never had the guts to say it.
Mr. Plummer: That's not true.
Mayor Ferre: We play games around here and make believe that we
understand what the hell is going on in this budget and you know just
as well as I do that in the 6 budgets that you voted on and in the 7
that I voted on, even though I spent, like you, hundreds and perhaps
thousands of hours going over it in the past 8 years, I night point
out that I don't think anybody that I've ever,.seen on this Commission
including you and me really understood what this budget or any other
budget in the past was all about. And furthermore, I'll go even
further, I don't think Paul Andrews and even Mel Reese knew what the
hell it was all about. How do you like that?
Mr. Plummer: Would you like that to continue on into the budget
department?
Mayor Ferre: No but I think you've got to give Joe Grassie a year to
get his hands on the throttle.
Mr. Plummer: Well I'm sorry, we have a disagreement and that disagrecm
is, number one, I find it, as I have stated before and I'll state aca:n,
totally unacceptable of cuts of personnel in police and fire until it
has been demonstrated to me that every other department has been cut
to the bone as you referred to. I will not stand and vote in that
particular issue until every other department has given and given
until it hurts because police and fire are what keeps this City alive.
Mayor Ferre: See, the difference that I have with you about this,
J. L., is that I don't think, with all due respects, and I do have a
great admiration for you and Ivas not upset yesterday. I commended
you and I will commend you again. But with all due respects to your
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OCT 7
intelligence and ;our knowledge and your interest and your ability,
I just don't think that 150 hours on your part is anywhere near enoug
to do the kind of a job that needs to be done by this City Co,nmissicn.
Mr. Plummer: No sir, it only scratches the surface.
Mayor Ferre: And therefore, I ,7o back to the pre -Ilse. Y.e have a
contnuing prolate here act she:. is chat we tt:nJ. cJrav_ ,,ate. toward
beinc; full-time Ccmimiss:once. aic petting ourselves in elea posetiOn
of being all knowing and being able to have per hands on the throttle
but the fact is ti-.at the Charts_.:: really does roe .,_mend, r_.or does it
really permit for us to be that fully informed unless we are informed
by the people that we depend on which is the administrat..on. Now; in
the past that has not happened and it has not happened this Lime. It
has not happened Lecause the new Manager in this -:articu:ar case has
only been here foe 2 months and that is not sufficient t:me for this
Commission to be :_niorrned. Now.: he has told us, and I accept the mar_
at face value, he keeps telling us that it is his intention to changa
the pattern of rna: agement in this C:ty. Now we have gone 16 vears
uni.n ormed and co-.sequeetiv the press, and throucrh the p ass the peep.
have been uninfor: ed. This is a secret operation like tie dtgates
last night, that's what we've been dealing in, :secret go• 2rncent ann
it isri't... That s exectli wr . it is. Lou}, .Lt's puhl. she.,. in thi
piece of paper. challenge arvbod", I challenge anvbods in 'this tc ✓.':
to Spend 150 h:;ur,; or 1J00 noels ane ceplain this nedLele ar 'l'.nj.t_l
it. It 1S iIT1poSs:ble and therefore. all I'm saying is l.t ok. `ere: l::
goln to have to .)e a 2 rr,illlo:"., 3 re.11:on, 4 eelllion dolar d`ductie.
in item 868, section 4, it's ti:e Manager's problem, he hs accepted t. e
burden of it, you read from ray statement, I challenged h:..r; to take LID
the , h- took up the and he says, I assume the
responsibility, t..at's it. Let's go.
Mr. Plummer: Mx. Mayor, if you think you've rot problem: now, I than
that you're going to have problems that you can't cope with when yoe
tell the people you're raising their taxes and discharge policemen or
firemen.
Mayor Ferre: J. L., I'll tell you. We all have one vote, no more ane
I think we all have to take our best evaluation of the s:_tuation and
cast our vote.
Mr. Plummer: That's right.
(INAt;DIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: Alright, Commissioner Reboso moves the resolution before
us, Father Gibson seconds the resolution. "A resolution accepting ant
finalizing the budget as proposed by the City Manager and as amended ly
the Commission on September 30, 1976 and October 6, 1976 as attached
herewith." Further discussion. Call the roll.
Thereupon, the followine resolution was introduces, by Commis ;it_ne.
Reboso who moved its adoption:
RSOLtfIGv NO. 76-875
A R :;SOLUTION 21eCIT'TING AND FINALIZING THE
BUDGET AS le“ i_ eeee BY TI112 CITY N_ NA3ER AND
AS AMENDEe BY 2IIE CITY COMMISSION ON SEPTEDJBER
30 AND OCTOLe3A u, 197:.
(Here follows bee.: of _ escletion , omitted rare
ant. on file in ene Office of the City Clerk).
OCT k 1'&
Upon being seconded by Commissioner (Rev.) Gibson, the resolution
was passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Vice Mayor Rose Gordon
5. ESTABLISH DATES OF PUBLIC HiARINGS - PROPOSED MILLAG. INCREASE:
Mayor Ferre: Take up item 2, resolutions providing for public heariac.
for millage increase and advertising in accordance with state statuteE.
A recommendation ;_s that the first hearing be Friday, October 15th
and that the second hearing be Monday, October 18th. The first one is
5:00 P.M. and the second one is 9:00 A.M..
Mr. Grassie: This resolution that is being placed in front of you,
Mr. Mayor, covers the first of those two public hearings that you have
outlined. The second public hearing would be announced Ly you at the
first public hearing but we would like to be able to advertise the
second public hearing because it does take some time to cat into the
newspaper so that we're putting both dates in front of ycu but the
resolution only covers the first date.
Mr. Plummer: When have you scheduled the second one?
Mr. Grassie: The 18th, Monday.
Mr. Plummer: At 9:00 A.M.?
Mrs. Gordon: I have a conflict on that day.
Mayor Ferre: Monday or Friday?
Mrs. Gordon: Monday because I have Friday free.
Mr. Plummer: May I just bring to your attention it's not...
Mayor Ferre: INAUDIBLE.
Mr. Plummer: I'm not going to the boat show but the boat show opens
that night and you could...
Mayor Ferre: How about Friday morning? How about Friday morning and
Monday evening?
Mr. Grassie: The first one has to be after 5 P.M. I understand, Mr.
Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, what time does the boat show star-c.?
05
Mr. Plummer: The boat show starts at 6:00 and you know what kaos is
going to be around here.
Mrs. Gordon: I'm totally tied up on Monday from early in the morning
till late at night. Tuesday is free.
Mayor Ferre: Then we'll start here at 5, is that acceptable to every-
body?
Mr. Grassie: Friday?
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OCT la
Mayor Ferre: Friday.
Mx. Plummer: Friday at 5?
Mayor Ferre: Does anybody have any problems with that?
Mr. Grassie: Sure, anytime you want.
Mr. Plummer: I have no problem.
Mrs. Gordon: I have no problem with Friday.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, I'll rearrange my schedule. How about the
second hearing.
Mr. Plummer: Now that's Friday, 5-7...
Mayor Ferre: Rose has a problem on Monday.
Mrs. Gordon: Monday, ail day.
Mayor Ferre: Tueday?
Mrs. Gordon: Tuesday is free.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: Well first of all it isn't finalized yet bi-t Jimmy CartLr
is coming in that day.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: Tuesday, see Rose can't make it on the 18th so it would
have to be... Does anybody have any problem with Tuesday in the morning:
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAX.ER: What time?
Mr. Grassie: 9:03?
Mayor Ferre: I'd rather start earlier, is there any reason we can't
start earlier?
Mrs. Gordon: Not earlier than 9.
Mr. Grassie: 8:00 if you wish.
Mayor Ferre: No:
Mr. Grassie: There's the reason we can't start at 8:00.
Mr. Plummer: Getting me out of bed at 7, are you out of your mind?
Mayor Ferre: I'll tell you, I've got a problem at 9:30.
Mrs. Gordon: You want to du iL Wednesday?
Mr. Grassie: We ,..re running into a problem with zccounti: g...
Mayor Ferre: If you'e got a problem with accounting... I'll tell
you '.hat we'll do. See, Roc s ou : Monday so th ire is LC way we can
do anything Monday unless you want to do it Thursday eveLing and then
do it Friday Morn:_.ng.
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Mr. Plummer: How about Sunday?
Mayor Ferre: Oh, come on.
Mr. Plummer: Alright, how about Saturday?
Mayor Ferre: Killjoy.
Mrs. Gordon: We have a meeting on Thursday by the evening...
Mayor Ferre: Why, what do we have Thursday evening?
Mrs. Gordon: A Commission meeting.
Mayor Ferre: Not up there.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: Oh, this is October, isn't it. Is there any reason we
can't do it in the evening, October 14th?
Mrs. Gordon: I have a 9:00 Public Hearing written in my book, what
was that for?
Mr. Grassie: I'm sorry.
Mrs. Gordon: I have a 9:00 Public Hearing written down for the 14th,
what public hearing did we have scheduled for the 14th?
Mr. Grassie: October 14th is a regular City Commission meeting.
Mrs. Gordon: Yes; I know but...
Mayor Ferre: Yes, but there's a 9:00 Public Hearing.
Mrs. Gordon: On what item?
Mayor Ferre: As recall, it was on the liquor.
Mr. Grassie: I believe that you're right, you wanted to have...
Mr. Plummer: I'vu also got in my book with a question mark, Latin
Chamber of Commerce.
Mr. Ongie: It's the liquor hours is right and you also have a public
hearing...
Mr. Plummer: At 9:00 at night?
Mr. Ongie: No, in the morning. You also have the Dinner Key Auditor...um
renovations.
Mr. Plummer: Boy have I got a surprise for that enginee::.
Mayor Ferre: What?
Mr. Plummer: I've got a real surprise for that engineer.
Mayor Ferre: For what engineer?
Mr. Plummer: For the one that came here the other day and told uS abut
the floor in the Dinner Keay Auc?itor.um.
OCT ?1;.7
Mayor Ferre: About the what?
Mr. Plummer: Remember the guy that came here about the floor in the
Dinner Key Auditor:ium and told us he wasn't going to replace it?
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Mayor, if nobody else can, I'll cancel on Monday
morning, I'll try to get out of it.
Mayor Ferre: No, Rose, I think we ought to try to...
Mr. Plummer: Hey Rose, I also nave a problem on Monday.
Mrs. Gordon: Yeah, okay.
Mr. Plummer: Unless you start at noon. If you start at noon, X'Ve
got no problem.
Mr. Grassie: Monday afternoon?
Mr. Plummer: I've got no problem if you start after noon.. The first
meeting is at 5, that's no problem.
Mayor Ferre: But see, Rose has a problem all day. Let'a try to
accommodate everyone here. Is chore any reason we couldr,'t meet the
first time around Thursday everting and the second day on :Friday?
Mrs. Gordon: No, I don't think we can stand it because we've got all
day Commission, public hearings...
Mayor Ferre: Alr..ght, when do you want to do it? You wart to do it
Monday?
Mrs. Gordon: J. L. has a problem. What's your problem J. L.?
Mr. Plummer: Rose, if you want to start at 1:00 on Monday...
Mrs. Gordon: I have to be somewhere at 4 without any delay and...
Mr. Plummer: Tuesday morning is fine with me.
Mrs. Gordon: Start at 12:00.
Mr. Plummer: On Monday?
Mrs. Gordon: Yes.
Mr. Plummer: It's alright with me.
Mrs. Gordon: As long as we break up at 3 or 3:30.
Mayor Ferre: That's alright.
Mr. Grassie: 12:00? Monday?
Mrs. Gordon: I may be dust a little bit late getting here at that tin.
Mr. Plummer: Then why don't we make it 12:30?
Mrs. Gordon: Alright, make it 12:30.
Mayor :,erre: Now you've got to be out by what time?
Mrs. Gordon: 4. I have to be somewhere at 4...
OCT """ 19:
Mayor Ferre: Well how long does it take from here to thee, wherever
you're going?
Mrs. Gordon: A half hour.
Mayor Ferre: Alright so if we start at 1:30, we can go two hours till
3:30. Is that acceptable?
Mrs. Gordon: You can't, Maurice, there's going to be people and all.
Let's make it Tuesday.
Mayor Ferre: We're back to Tuesday.
Mr. Plummer: Tuesday morning?
Mayor Ferre: I can't make it on Tuesday morning, I've got a problem
at 9:30. I can make it at 10:30.
Mrs. Gordon: Oh, alright. Make it at 10:30, I don't care.
Mr. Plummer: Yes but they're plugging in the computers at the Police
Station.
Mayor Ferre: Wait, I've got a problem. I've got a 10:3I can't
cancel. Now I can either meet before or I can meet after, it would
take me an hour. I can meet either before 10:30 or after 11:30. I
can meet at noon.
Mr. Grassie: 12:00 on Tuesday?
Mayor Ferre: Okay, 12:00 on Tuesday.
Mrs. Gordon: 12:00? Let me check upstairs, just a minute.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: Let's start at Tuesday morning at 9:00.
Mr. Plummer: That's Tuesday the 19th.
Mayor Ferre: Anybody have a problem with that? Alright Father Gibsc.n
moves that the first hearing be on Friday, October 15, 1!;76 at 5 P.M.
and that the second hearing be on Monday, October 18, 1976 at 9 A.M.,
I'm sorry, Tuesday, October 19, 1976 at 9 A.M. and that the location
be, this room is too small.
Mrs. Gordon: INAUDIBLE
Mayor Ferre: No, I think we need a bigger room, this is going to be
much too small.
Mr. Grassie: Bayfront?
Mayor Ferre: Well Bayfront or the Community Center.
Mrs. Gordon: INAUDIBLE
Mayor Ferre: That air conditioning works in that Commun..ty Center,
we've got plenty of parking there and people don't have ';:o pay money
for the meters.
Mrs. Gordon: That's no good for parking.
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OCT 191 a
Mayor Ferre: Ther. Bayfront.
Mr. Plummer: Set it up in the Gulfstream Room.
Mayor Ferre: Look, get Bayfront Auditorium and...
Mr. Plummer: Is it available?
Mayor Ferre: It c'ioesn' :. ;natter th:s room is much too sr.all. Well
I'1l tell you, let's put it this way, if Bayfront is not available
Friday and Tuesday, then we'll do it at whatever.other place you can
arrange.
Mr. Grassie: We will find out in the next 10 minutes.
Mayor Ferre: Let us know, you've got to put it in the acvertising.
Okay, Father Gibson moves.
Mr. Reboso: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Seconded by Manolo Reboso. Further discussion.on item
2? Call the roll.
Thereupon, the following resolution was introduces: by Commis:.iene:
Gibson, who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 76-876
A RESOLUTION PROVIDING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING CCN-
CERNING THE INCR2ASED MILLAGE RATE NECESSITAT :D
BY THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET FOR 1976-1977 F:_SCAL
YEAR. AND DIRECTING THE CITY CLERK TO ADVERT:' SE
THE PROPOSED TAX INCREASE AND THE PUBLIC HEAR"1NG
IN CONNECTION THEREWITH.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here
and on file in the Office of the City Clerk)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES; Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibso.i
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Vice Maycr Rose Gordon
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
6. APPROPRIATION OF FEDERAL RIVENUE SHARING FUNDS - DIS .USST_ON:
Mayor Ferre: Item 3, Federal Revenue Sharing Ordinance. Where's tiTe
Ordinance?
Mr. Grassie: The ordinance you considered and adopted yesterday, Mr.
Mayor, but you adopted it on a regular basis rather than an emergency
basis.
Mayor Ferre: You want me to change my vote, don't you.
Mx. Grassie: What we're suggee:tincl to you is that if yot. make it
immediately effective, we'll Le able to pay the agencies that are
funding out of Revenue Sharing.
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OCT 1. '6
Mayor Ferre: But don't we need a corresponding ordinance that this is
only until the final, this would be final. Well how are we going to
agree on the distzibution to Social Services?
Mr. Plummer: You've got to do that before you adopt this.
Mayor Ferre: No, we can adopt this budget and then discLss the dis-
tribution of Social Services later on.
Mr. Grassie: Well I guess you'✓e done two things. You ta1kud about
two things. In t .e past you have, by resolution, indicated how much
money should go to each agency, you could do that again :n the future,
Something I understand you've discussed is making the staff responsib:e
for the allocation of funds within whatever total you adapted.
Mayor Ferre: It's alright with me but I don't think that would be
acceptable to alot of people.
Mr. Grassie: I said that you have talked about that, not that you ha\e
approved it. I think that any allocation that is arriveat obviousl.
has to come back to the City Commission in the form of ar. agreement o_
a contract.
Mayor Ferre: I'm afraid you're right, I'd just as soon let you have
that problem.
Mr. Reboso: I would like to see a couple of pictures of the thing anc.
I only had the one look when the department showed it to me but I don t
have any...
Mrs. Gordon: Manolo, I didn't hear you, what did you say?
Mr. Reboso: I said I want to see where we allocated that money, who
is getting the money and how much.
Mayor Ferre: Which means that he's got to come back here;.
Mr. Grassie: Now we have two alternatives, Mr. Mayor. We can give
you an ordinance which simply continues existing program:_ for one mcn-.h
or you can give immediate effect to the overall ordinance and then con-
sider what programs will be continued within this month z.nd hopefully
that would be a decision that you would take on the 14th..
Mr. Plummer: Yes but there's also another alternative that you haven't
discussed.
Mayor Ferre: What's the third?
Mr. Plummer: And that's the one you were most emphatic about and I
am too and that is that we not continue for an additiona.. 30 days tho:;e
programs that are proposed to be discontinued.
Mrs. Gordon: WelL there has been no decision on what's proposed to
be discontinued.
Mayor Ferre: That's right.
Mr. Plummer: Well we know, Rose, that some of them...
Mrs. Gordon: Well we don't know.
Mr. Plummer: Well Rose, we can agree that in fact one of them, whatav—r
one it is, is going to be discontinued because you don't have that many
dollars.
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OCT '.i i�6
Mrs. Gordon: Well let me tell ,you what I think. If this is adopted
as prepared, it only allocates the monies in total amount. Now it
appears to me that an ordinance can be amended or changes by another
ordinance at a future time if necessary. This just gives the Manager
the money to work with.
Mr. Plummer: Yes but I want to call to all of your attertion that
this has been altered over night, this is not what we has. yesterday.
Mayor Ferre: Tell us why.
Mr. Plummer: Well the next to the bottom line. Once ag,_in you're
robbing the buffer and we had agreed yesterday, and Mr. Crassie admit,ed
that that was his intention that any cuts would have to come from
departmental budgets.If you're transferring 8.6 million dollars of
Federal Revenue over to General Fund to operate, that's where it's
got to come from. My unaer.itanding was yesterday we stc.rtec, out wit
$3, OCO, 000 and we're cunt. r,u, tatting, cut.tinc, setting E.nd I say tha
is wrong.. I beli(::ve yo,z also s7oke to that, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, you're right.
Mr. Plummer: That your resolution and the motion that you have passe:
here today would be in violation of this.
Mayor Ferre: Yes but I was thinking differently because of different
circumstances.
Mr. glummer: I'm saying to you that by the policy that :_s adopted on
a motion here this morning, you cannot adopt this motion,
Mayor Ferre: Not unless we
Mr. Plummer: That's right.
Mayor Ferre: We can't it.
Mr. Plummer: That's right.
Mayor Ferre: By simple majority.
Mr. Plummer: That's right.
Mayor Ferre: Well what's the will of this Commission?
Mrs. Gordon: What are you referring to, J. L.?
that one.
Mr. Plummer: Rose, everytime we've made a change, it's coming out of
next year's approoriation.
Mayor Ferre: Well Pat says that you're a real smart
figure it out.
, you
Mr. Plummer: She didn't comment on me at all which I'm grateful for.
Mrs. Gordon: What are you referring to? I want you to clarify the
statement you made.
Mr. Plummer: AlrLght, Rose, look at the next to the botom line.
Mrs. Gordon; Yes, I know what that is and I know where _t went but
that's not...
OCT i19
Mr. Plummer: That started out in this Look as $3,000,000.
Mrs. Gordon: Yes but that was changed, twice.
Mr. Plummer: That's right and it keeps changing and everytime this
Commission changes, it's comin,: out of that. Now the motion of the
Mayor today was that any cuts had to come from the departmental budgets
and if you're going to transfer 8.6 million dollars over, I'm saying
you must be consi,tent. That's where the cut has got to come from,
not the contingency fund.
Mrs. Gordon: Will you read the motion that was passed before, please.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, the motion that was passed before react as follows:
"A resolution accepting and finalizing the budget as proposed by the
City Manager and as amended by the City Commission on September 30 ane
October 6, 1976."
Mrs. Gordon: There is nothing .in that that it conflicts ..
Mayor Ferre: I would like to refer you to motion 76-868. Section 4.
It reads, "That tLe City Manager be instructed to cut from proposed
departmental budgets a percentage a-: his discretion in oedcr to meet
employee demands ,:or salary increases." That's what Mr. Plu;amer is
referring to. Now what he's saving is that in this mot rn tat is
before you at thie time, in effect, since we aid yesterd-y pass a
resolution which was not voted upon on an emergency basic, in effect,
it is in limbo.
Mrs. Gordon: I still say you're not wrong in what you d:_d and if ycu
do what you want to do now because this says the manager instructed.
to cut from proposed departmental budgets a percentage ae his discre-
tion in order to meet employee demands for salary increa. es . Well vh
reduction in the next to the last item was not for salar: increases
so therefore it would not be in conflict with what you p.::ssed before.
Mr. Plummer: Rose, what you're reading from You happen .:o be correct.
Mr. Ongie, I think if you'll pull the tapes you will find that the i•_a _ror
indicated that any and all cuts would come from departmen.tal budgete
and that's what we agreed upon.
Mayor:Ferre: That's correct.
Mr. Gras'ie: Just as a matter of information, Mr. Mayor, if that is
what you wish to accomplish, you simply need to take the $270,000 f::o1
item 8 and put it in item 7 and that will do what you're talking abou.
right now.
Mr. Plummer: That is correct.
Mr. Grassie: In other words, add $270,000 to item 8, subtract it fro_1
item 7 and...
Mayor Ferre: Well the only thing, however, that's fine, we could do
that, I think that's a solutio:. to that. I would like to make sure
it's on the record because I notice that really item 4 o. 868 says,
"The City Manager be instructs;,: to cut from propc ed departmental
budget a percentaje at his ci�c rer_:on in orde_ to meet e..,ployte dem.ns
for salary increases", is not complete. That's not comp_.ete becaus::
the .motion was teat all increases i:,e taken irDm departme..ta1 and you
were the one who said it and I said, i back the Lanager, and that's
the way the rnotic_7 was read sc 1 want to make sure that :.he record
reflects that, Mr. Ongie.
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Mr. Ongie: If that's what you want, Mr. Mayor, I'll charge it.
Mayor Ferre: I want to make sure we all understand it correctly.
Mr. Plummer: That's the way it was understood.
Mayor Ferre: W1a-_ I'm saying is, and I went over the numbers, I said
3 z million dollars or 3 million: dollars for employee charges, 2 2, 3,
31/2r whatever it ends up being, i also said that there wa.; a $2,200,OOC
increase and then I said that there was $1,000,000 that was approved
by this and what else am I missing?
Mr. Plummer: $67C,000.
Mayor Ferre: And there was $270,000 for the after school and as I
recall, we ended I,p saying that the total amount was $7,i00,000.
Is that correct?
Mr. Plummer: No.
Mayor Ferre: Of which $2,200,000 is coming from a tax increase and
$4,800,000 is coming from deductions of departmental or whatever it
happens to be depending on the final negotiation.
Mr. Plummer: But 8B, Mr. Mayor, then has to be increases. by $670,O00..
Mayor Ferre: Excuse me.
Mr. i-1umaner: ter 8B has to be increased $670,000 and item 7 has to
be reduced by a like amount.
Mr. Ongie: Mr. Mayor, I have a transcript of that motion which is
right from the taDe and if you will permit me, I will red it. "The
four points were, increase mileage as proposes: in the buc;get estimate
as presented whic's is approximately 1 mil," these were e;.act words,
"item 2, that we provide sufficient monies in the budget to cover
salary and wage increases which will be specified later (nd that the
amount is roughly that which has been negotiated by the i.anager.
Three, that the Social programs be increased to $1,570,O(0 which is
10% of the Federal Revenue Sharing Funds. Item 4, that she manager
be instructed to cut from the proposed budgets of the various depart-
ments, whatever percentage points must be cut so that we can meet the
employee requirements, departments will have to be cut pioportionatell,
to the employee increases."
Mayor Ferre: Yes but that was the motion, when I sat dol'n and opened
the meeting, 1 passed the gavel and made that motion. TLen there was
an awful lot tf discussion made and Plummer brought up tLe fact that
there was another million dollars that we had previously approved tha-..
I hadn't included and therefore that's how that confusion: on point
comes about and therefore when the final motion was adopted and I asked
Reboso, since he was the seconder of the motion, whether he would accept
that, he said he .:could so therefore I'm saying, and I don't blame you
for wing confuse beca-isc: i:na'. too:: about an hour of an awf,:i lot cf
talking so the point being that it wasn't just the employee _salary
increases that has to come from departmental but the extra million
dollars that was included.
Mr. Plummer: Any cuts.
Mayor Ferre: That's correct.
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OCT =9°6
Mr. Plummer: So Mr. Mayor, what you're saying :then is...
Mayor Ferre: In other words, w:-iat I'm saying is there are no free
lunches.
Mr. Ongie: Mr. Mayor, would you let me amend this then, would you
give me that fifth point one more time?
Mayor Ferre: Well it really isn't a fifth point, you sec. What it
really is is an amendment of the fourth point or an extension of the
fourth point and what it really basically says is that ary approved,
that by the actions of the majority of this Commission, spy additions_
expenditures other than recommended by the budget estimate as presented
by the Manager must come from a reduction on the departmental budgets.
Is that right?
Mr. Plummer: That is correct.
Mayor Ferre: That's the way this thing was passed.
Mr. Plummer: Okay, now can we get back to correcting this paper?
We then have to take 8B, increase it to $3,000,000 and 7 is reduced
to $7, 930, 000 .
Mayor Ferre: INAUDIBLE
Mr. Plummer: I said it, that wasn't Grassie speaking.
Mayor Ferre: No, but Mr. Grassie, I don't know whether he's taking
it from Revenue Sharing or where he's taking it from.
Mr. Plummer: Sure, it's very obvious where it's coming from.
Mayo: Ferre: Where?
Mr. Plummer: Revenue Sharing.
Mayor Ferre: Do you agree with that?
Mr. Plummer: No.
Mr. Grassie: Well I think the intent of Commissioner Plummer is a
little different, Mr. Mayor. His intent is to keep within balance
this $15,700,000 thing. Now what that means is that you're going to
transfer less money to the General Fund and the consequence of that of
course is that the General Fund will have to make up the difference.
Mayor Ferre: You see, where I disagree with Plummer is that I don't
care how you skin the cat, that's your problem. I'm not going to tell
you how to skin the cat, he's trying to tell you how to :,-kin it.
Mr. Grassie: He's trying to make sure that we don't take it out of
Revenue Sharing basically.
Mrs. Gordon: I want to also state that when we took thi., position
which was when Mr,. Andrews informed us that he had this r.tonev which
he called "lag money", that revenue sharing reenactment \:as in somewhz.t
of a quandry. We did not know whether or not Congress would approve
it and the Presidnt would sag:: it but that's behind us i.ow and so th(
purpcse in the la,:, as I understand Mr. Andrews' explanation was ti-.a-
in the event that Revcr.ae SharIng is phased cut, that we would not be
caught short so t.erefore they need the actual emergency type of need
for the three pillion '77-'78 budget, in my opinion, has peen removed.
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OCT ' 11�16
7 . EMERGENCY ORDINANCE - FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING FUND Ai ?ROPAIATIONS ,
Mayor Ferre: We ::till have this ordinance to pass and Cc-nmissioner
Reboso has expressed an opinion that he feels that the Corrnission
should have the final say-so on the distribution of $1,570,000. The
question that now arises, there's two questions that arise. One is
Commissioner Plummer's statemen-.. that We rearrange item 7 and 8 and
my calendar that :: don't think s necessary because I thilik the
of doing that is the Ma.iager's and let him come bsck wit has recornrr r --
dations and seconc:ly, how do we approve this budget, Mr. 'Teston, exc ..:
me, this emergency- ordinance, and satisfy Cor i-.issioner Rc osc's requ I:_ i?
Mr. Grassie: I would suggest, 4r. Mayor, that the ordin;once as it is
written does satisfy Commissioner Reboso's request becauss item 6, if
you will read it, has a `ootnots: which says this, "These :unds to be
allocated," and we're talking a:,out the $1, 57G , 000 , "thes a funds to ::c.
allocated by reso:ution of the City Commission to designs.e Social
Service and Recrestion Lrograms " So that we will come to you with a
recommendation and you will, though resolution, designate:...
Mayor Ferre: So he's covered.
Mrs. Gordon: When would that come to us?
Mr. Grassie: I'm sorry.
Mrs. Gordon: When would that come to us?
Mr. Grassie: Within the period, before this resolution expires which
is one month.
Mrs. Gordon: Yes but not necessarily at those two public hearings
that we're going to have.
Mr. Grassie: I would expect that it would come as quickly as possible
and the quickest time would be the 14th of October.
Mayor Ferre: Wel: where does it say one month?
Mr. Grassie: Well at least I was told...
(INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: See, I amended this thing yesterday and the resolution
that was passed on a non -emergency basis, I've put a date on it and ycu
haven't done that, Mr. City Attorney.
Mr. Grassie: I, like Commission Plummer, stand correctec.. The Attcr ey
has in his hand the 1/12 resolution which is different than the one
I'm looking at. This is the 1/12 resolution over here which basically
just extends current programs.
Mr. Weston: If I might explain to Mr. Mayor and members of the Comma: si( z
that at the request of ::he staff we have prepared alternstive resolut.ons
to dispose of this money in a manner in which the Commission may chco e.
There is in existence an ordinance appropriating the ent_.re amount Jos
the full year...
Mayor Ferre:
Except that it was not written on an emergency basis.
Mr. Weston: No, .t hasn't even been presented to you yet, Mr. Mayor.
It is ready in case you choose to consider it.
Mayor Ferre: Isn't this it?
Mr. eston: No sir, that is t s one that is sppropriatil .g the gross
amount. It hasn't been ailocat:d to the recipients on that. We do
have supplemental ordinances he: now which will disburse it to the
recipients either for the full year or for one :month or for two monta ,
whichever route you choose to take.
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OCT t 195, 5
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Mayor Ferre: Okay, I forget these things, I have to go back to my
legislative days. There are two ordinances that are needed. One is
for appropriating the money and the second one is for authori2ing the
transfer and the expenditure. is that correct?
Mr. Grassie: Yes, sir.
Mayor Ferre: So by passing this ordinance in effect we do not finali2,2
anything because you need after the appropriation the specific transf(-.r
in expenditure. Zs that correct?
Mr. Weston: That is correct.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, and that's where we still have the handle on the
throttle. Is that right?
Mr. Weston: Yes, sir.
Mayor Ferre: Okay.
Mr. Plummer: Well the problem relates itself is that those people arc.
still not going to get paid tomorrow night.
Mayor Ferre: Not unless you adopt a transferral and that's where we
will have to deal with so Mr. Manager, with all due respects to you
sir, you have made a mistake.
Mr. Grassie: It'c very possibl,!.
Mayor Ferre: Or :should I say, :zo, I won't be unkind. }'11 say you
have made a mistake. You have forgotten item 4 which is what he's
talking about.
Mr. Grassie: I guess there is also a policy cuescion which you have
not resolved and that is that the difference, as I under:.tand it,
between what Co., ssioner Plummer is saying ar.d possibly what Commis3:ones
Gordon is saying and that is, w:iat do we do about those agencies that
have been recommended for...
Mayor Ferre: Well that comes after we pass this, sir. Correct me r.o,
if I'm wrong, this is only an appropriation ordinance. Is that correct?
Mr. Weston: That's correct.
Mayor Ferre: This alone is only half of the lope. Actually it's none
of the lope because you can't spend any money with this. Is that
correct?
Mr. Grassie: That is correct unless you adopt a policy that...
Mayor Ferre: That's what I said you're missing in item r.umber 4 but
since we're running out of time we better move so I woulc. recommend
then that the Ordinance as presented and read which was passed yestercay
at first reading, is that correct? This was passed yesterday.
Mr. Ongie: Yes.
Mayor Ferre: Okav, and I'm the guy to blame because I sc.id I won't vote
for it on an emerc;,ency basis. Now therefore, if we vote for it on an
emergency basis, then this thing is adopted as an appropriation.
Mr. Weston: That's correct.
Mayor Ferre: But nothing can to spent.
Mr. Weston: No, ;'ou r.eeci dnorfr,er supplemental ordinance or resolution
here to authorize the expenditres.
Mayor Ferre: What, are you snickering this, Plummer?
Mr. P lummer : Excuse me?
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OCT '176
Mayor Ferre: What's the snicker?
Mr. Plummer: No, nothing, sir. I'll tell you after you vote.
Mayor Ferre: Now let's not play games, this is too important. If
you've got something...
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, the snickering is if you vote as read yestercay,
we're not that far apart because yesterday's motion was a different set
of figures.
Mayor Ferre: What was different?
Mr. Plummer: 8B, sir.
Mayor Ferre: 8B?
Mr. Plummer: This is a different ordinance, this was written through
the night.
Mayor Ferre: Well tell me what the numbers were so we'll all know
what we're voting for.
Mr. Plummer: You add $270,000 to 8B and then that complias with what
you passed yesterday.
Mayor Ferre: $270,000?
Mr. Plummer: Yes, sir, the $270,000 has been deducted from 8B.
Mayor Ferre: Well what was it before?
Mr. Plummer: The figures you read yesterday included...
Mayor Ferre: It was $2,600,000.
Mr. Plummer: No. Maurice, you all approved yesterday an ordinance.
That ordinance contained 8B showing a figure of $2,600,000.
Mayor Ferre: That's what I said.
Mr. Plummer: I'm sorry.
Mayor Ferre: And now it's been changed to $2,330,000 and $270,000 has
been added to $1,570,000 up to item 6, it used.to be $1,300,000 and
now it's $1,570,000.
Mr. Plummer: That is correct.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, so therefore, who wants to move this as presen.ad
today which is an amended form on an emergency basis?
Mrs. Gordon: May I ask you a question, Mr. Grassie? Will this, by
us doing this, give you the latitude to pay the ongoing programs?
Mayor Ferre: No, we need a second resolution to do that oecause this
is the appropriation and now what we need is an authorization to spend.
Mr. Plummer: Rose, what you and I spoke about yesterday is still what
I'm in favor of. We move to pay those people tomorrow night and the
rest of this we'll talk about and that's really what Manclo wants to co.
Mr. Reboso: I move it.
Mayor Ferre: Reboso moves. Who seconds?
Rev. Gibson: I second.
Mayor Ferre: Gibson seconds.
Mr. Plummer: Based upon what set of figures?
OCT 12.E
Mayor Ferre: On ..:hat is in front of us at the present time which I
will give to the Clerk so that :here is no confusion and I will read
it one more time as an emergence ordinance. "An emergency ordinance
making appropriations of Federal Revenue Sharing Funds in the amount
of $15,707,000, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 1977, such
funds comprised as follows: Funds in the amount of $8,8C7,000 to be
received during 1976-77 budget year and $6,900,000 of equity funds;
providing that if any section, clause, or subsection shall be declare
unconstitutional, it shall not affect the remaining provisions, repeain'
all ordinances, or parts of or,i;_nances in conflict herewith." Moved
and seconded. Further discussion?
Mr. Grassie: Just: for clarification, Mr. Mayer. then item 7 reads
$7,930,000 and item 8, instead of $2,330,000 reads $3,00C,000?
Mrs. Gordon: No, we didn't charge that. We just moved it exactly as
it is here before us.
Mr. Grassie: Okay.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: Plummer, look, the third paragraph is a whereas, okay,
and what really reigns in a legislative ordinance like this is now
therefore be it ordained. That's what rules. I learned that in one
day of law school. Further discussion? Call the roll.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN EMERGEN 2Y ORDINANCE MAKING
APPROPRIATIONS OF FEDERAL REVENUE
SHARING FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF
$15,707,000, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
ENDING SEP2EMBER 30, 1977, SUCH FUNDS
COMPRISED AS FOLLOWS: FUNDS IN THE
AMOUNT OF 08,807,000 TO LE RECEIVED
DURING 1976-77 BUDGET YEAR AND $6,9C0,000
OF EQUITY FUNDS; PROVIDING THAT IF 7NY
SECTION, CLAUSE, OR SUBSECTION SHAL1.
BE DECLARED UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IT SH7.LL
NOT AFFECT THE REMAINING PROVISIONS,
REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, OR PARTS CF
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREWITH.
Was introduced by Commissioner Recoso and .seconded by Commissioner
Gibson, for adoption as an emergency measure and dispens._ng with the
requirement of reading same on two separate days, which was agreed to
by the following vote -
AYES:
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Commissioner Manolo REboso
Vice Mayor Rose Gordon.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
SAID ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO. 8576
The Mayor read the ordinance into the public record and anr.o..nc( d
that copies were available to the members of the City Commission
and to the public.
Mr. Plummer; Also let the record reveal that this has been passed by
this Commission prior te a public hearing.
Mayor Ferre: That is correct.
Mr. Grassie: I dun't believe eo, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, it 1:; cor_ eet but there's item 6.
reflect that item 6 regarding ::ocia i Service reads as
Services and Recreational Programs, these func.s 'to be
resolution of the City Commission to designate Social
Recreational Programs."
Le. the recorc
fo:lows: "Soeiel
al: ocated by
Sel:vice and
OCT `, "6
Mr. Plummer: That is correct. You have reserved 10% of this for
discussion. 90% of this is already cemented in prior to a public healing.
Mayor Ferre: That is correct.
Mr. Plummer: I hope Mrs. Gordon understands that.
Mr. Grassie: With the one exception, Mr. Mayor, that as a part of the
budget, the whole Revenue Sh::.ring Funding did receive three public
hearings as a part of the buu.get.
Mayor Ferre: That's richt, you can unscramble this egg. Now what we
can't unscramble is what we're about to do in a moment. .\lright, it:r;
number 4 which is the authorization so that he can spend .honey other-
wise nobody gets paid on Friday for the Social Programs. Now I recoel :ne
that we do this on a short lease: basis. I don't care whether you do it
2 weeks, 3 weeks or whatever you want to but it's got to Pe, I don't
care, you pick your date as long as it's not more than the month.
Mr. Weston: Mr. nayor, the ordinance that we have prepared, the shortest
one is for 1/12 0: the annual expenditure. If you desire to shorten
it, we will have to retype another ordinance.
Mr. Plummer: Do you have another agenda because I only have three itc_as
on my agenda.
Mr. Grassie: No, the Mayor has added this.
Mayor Ferre: Is this the way people are getting money nova?
Mr. Weston: This is at the same rates that they're getting it now,
yes, sir.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, I would like to recommend an amenc:nent that
would read as follows and it would be, it would come after section 1.
It would say, "Section 2: That the Manager will, in writing, instruct
all those programs that are not recommended by the Administration tha
unless the Commission otherwise rules before Nover±er 7t1. , they will
not be funded," is that the 1/12? No, wait a minute, the 1/12 won't
do that. The 1/12 would only carry it through October 3.st. Okay,
unless the Commission otherwise votes, they will not be funded beyond
October 31st.
Mr. Plummer: I'm on the horns of dillemna, I don't know which way to
vote.
Mr. Weston: Mr. Mayor, I just would like to make the comment that in
order to have this done properly, the Commission has to ect on a written
resolution and it would be necessary for us to change the written on:
that's before you. It would require a few minutes. I think you need
to make sure that that's what you want to amend this befc-re we do it
though.
Mayor Ferre: If I write it longhand and you have it copied...
Mr. Weston: I have a Secretary who will take it down...
Mayor Ferre: Well have her do it quickly.
Mr. Weston: But it has to be passed as an amendment by the Commission.
Mayor Ferre: Oh, I see. Alright, I will read it again. "Section 2:
The teenager will :nstruet, in writing, ...", have you got a copy of
that? Where is it? You got a memo out,
Mr. Grassie: Are you talking about...
Mayor Ferre: Yes, not recommended...
Mr. Grassie: You're talking about the recommendation of programs,
Mayor Ferre: Yes.
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OCT a Lt'3
Mr. Grassie: Yes.
Mayor Ferre: Not recommended in your memo, what's the date of it?
Mr. Grassie: September 28th.
Mayor Ferre: Dated September 28th and herewith attached, is that good
language?
Mr. Plummer: And as amended...
Mayor Ferre: How is it amended?
Mr. Plummer: It was amended because they didn't recommend after school.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: Yes they did..
Mr. Plummer: No, not on that memo that you're speaking cf.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, you're right, Plummer. And herewith attached as
amended by the Commission and let's put the dace because we actually
amended it when? October 6th?
Mr. Plummer: Yes.
Mayor Ferre: On October 6th. That they will not be funded beyond
October 31, 1976 unless the Commission otherwise rules previous to
that time.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Parkins, is there any on this list that are not on
the recommended?
Mayor Ferre: It's your list, it's your memorandum dated, where's your
memorandum?
Mr. Grassie: It's right here, Mr. Mayor, would you like a copy?
Mayor Ferre: Yes.
Mr. Grassie: It's September 29th rather than what I told you which
was the 28th.
Mayor Ferre: It's going to be part and parcel of this motion.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: Okay, I'm going to read this over again and let's make
sure everybody agrees. "Section 2: The Manager will instruct, in
writing, those programs not recommended in staff memo dated September
29th and herewith attached as amended by the Commission c.i October 6th,
they will not be funded beyond October 31, 1976 unless the Commission
otherwise rules contrary before November 1, 1976."
Mr. Reboso: Move.
Mayor Ferre: Reboso moves.
Rev. Gibson: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Gibson seconds. Further discussion? Call the roll.
Mr. Reboso: Mr. Grassic, when :7o you think we can have a copy of the
recommendations of the Administration?
Mr. G_-assie: You nave them, I L:istributed the or. Septemer 29th anc'
I will get you another copy if you like. I just gave Commissioner
Gordon a copy.
28 OCT ,t6
Mayor Ferre: Let me explain so we don't have any misunde-:st ni r,g.
This ,notion that Reboso made and Gibson seconded, all it takes is a
3/5 vote to reverse any of that and whatever programs the majority of
this Commission wants to put in by November 1st, that's what rules.
Is that understood?
Mr. Grassie: I have...
Mayor Ferre: Wait a moment. Call the roll.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: Oh, I'm sorry. This is only on the motion, not on the
resolution, you realize that. The resolution has to be typed now.
This is only a motion of intent. You can change and...
Mr. Plummer: Okay, then I'll vote yes.
Mayor Ferre: Wait a minute, I haven't called the roll yet. Call the
roll.
The preceeding motion.was introduced by Commissioner Reboso, seccnde
by Commissioner Gibson and passed and adopted by the fol'owing vote -
AYES: Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Vice Mayor Rose Gordon
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: Nora.
Mayor Ferre: Now go type it and Plummer, I'll recognize you to amend
it.
Mr. Plummer: Well go ahead, I'll wait for the thing to come out.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mr. Plummer: I understand. I just hope everybody else understands
we're wasting $6,000 by doing this.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: This is a continuation of the public hearing yesterday
so we can listen to people. I recognize Gene Naples.
Mr. Gene Naples: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commissior, I, for one.
got your message very loud and clear when you spoke aboui the fact
that salary increases, you did it yesterday and you did :.t again today,
that salary increases to the enoioyees would be taking oi.t of that
department's budget. So what you're saying to me is that if you pecp_.e
want to in any way talk about a cost of living increase, then what we
are c:oing to do is we're going to have to layoff some of your people.
My point is that we are currently negotiating and I thinf. if this goes,
to arbitration that the arbitrator will take a pretty har.'d look at th.t
kind of thing. I just want you to know that we understali.d what you're
saying to us that you're going to layoff some of your people. If you
guys want a raise, we're going to have to layoff some of your people.
I understand that.
Mayor Ferre: It's a hard decision that has to be made by the Manager
and he has to live by the consequences.
Mr. Naples: This is a very obvious dramatization of the tail wagging
the dog.
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OCT 71913
8. PERSONAL APPE1-RANGE : ROBERT PAULK - REQUESTING ADDIri ZONAL FUNDS
IN CIVIL SERVICE BOARD BLJGET:
Mr. Robert Paulk: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commissicn and Mr.
City Manager, the question was asked yesterday by Commis:ioner Plummer
as it relates to the Civil Service Office Budget what adeitional funds
I felt might be necessary to facilitate our operation. I think it's
on page 49, Commissioner Plummer, it could be 47 but I be iieve it's 4� .
Obviously, the sa:_aries, as it :-elates to personnel, is sins- reduce,
by the deletion o.•_ some 10 pos_.`i.ons in addition to the people that
we requested reducing this to 7. There also was u rather strong cut
across the supportive services in the way of postage, achertjsing,
xerox, etc. and it's difficult to conclude exactly how ml.:ch 7 people
will need to be able to function but basically what I say to you,
regardless of whether we have 7, 17, 23 or 18 or whatever the figure
is, there are certain things that still are relegated to us under the
Charter that we must perform. Under disciplinary hearings, under the
1190 code onto the B-3 foam, there's $5,000 that was requested due to
the necessity to request transcripts of hearings, disciplinary heari:zs,
before the Civil Service Board which was deleted and I sIgest that
that's $5,000 that is needed to be returned. I have a ccoy of it.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mr. Paulk: Well _ only have it on.:this B-3 form, Commissioner Plumirer
Mayor Ferre: Well how much is it, Bobby?
Mr. Paulk: Altogether, I'm looking in terms of about $23,800 that's
necessary to go in above the 146 bringing it to a total of $170,000.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: Alright, Plummer moves that there be, how r.uch?
Mr. Paulk: $23,8C0. Now on a light item basis you might need to
identify that.
Mayor Ferre: $23,800 as submitted by Mr. Paulk. Seconded by Rose
Gordon which is addition to Civil Service Budget and which we'll have
to get in written form and take up on the 14th. I will start off the
meeting of the 14th with that, okay?
Mr. Paulk: Now what I must say to you.:is that we still yi11 not have
sufficient people and I want to try to demonstrate that to you at thi;
moment.
Mayor Ferre: Wait a minute, let's take one thing at a time. Further
discussion on this item? Did you get the motion? Alright, call the
roll.
Thereupon, the following motion was introduced by Commissioner
Plummer who moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 76-877
A MOTION TO INCREASE FUNDS FOR THE
CIVIL SERVICE OFFICE IN THE AMOUNT
0? $23,800 FOR SUPPORTIVE SERVICES
TO BE ADDED TO THE $146,225 PREVIOUSLY
RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY MANAGER IN
THE 1976-1977 L'JDGET ESTIMATE.
Upon being seconded by Cor: issioner Gordon, the motion was passes
and adopted by the followir.q vc :e -
AYES: Corm ssio__• r (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Manolo Reboso
Vice Mayor Rose Gordon
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES; Nor^.O,
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OCT ` is: 6
M':. Paulk: Under the Charter, ,.:r.d I'm i . ing to speak C.i Ctly to ..XUL.
from ;,he Charter..,
9. RL:SULUTION MAY::::MAY::::S DISTRIBUTION OF FEDERAL :'LVLNUE SH7,.:ING FUNDS:
Mayor Ferre: LXcu ;c me, , Bobby, there is a motion before .s and it was
moved by Rebosc, s condr d by Gi.` son, and the arcs ed sect . on ., cads,
"Sect__Uil 2: The *•.a.nageo will instruct, in wri'-.inc, tbosc prc.,rams rut
recor,-oonded in the ":1c'r o7: a'-ia'1r", c . _ "'a S f Lc=.:1i.:'Cr ;1E. . oWl i".il
attac..t.:i as amen& "1 by the Cc'i'.r .-_ c.l r`n October 3. ..'.i 76 , °v r". i 1 not
fundeJ be''oJ'::.i Gctc':cr , 1`)T6 .rii i.i o :.. �t" .,.-'rules
c�� �l �-v.�� :l c_nc: ���
contrary beyo;td Ncvembeo 1, i., 7' . " Furl. hur oisou:—,s1or .ail the rc ---
Thereupon, the following ;::solution was ini.roauced b .' Coa:nissioc
Reboso who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTIONS NO. 76-878
A RESOLUTION AL:,OCA:I_tiG $ 87 ,12 4 . 97
OF FEDERAL P.ZW::UE SEARING RING FUNDS
PREVIOUSLY A=FT ,p,?,IA '=.;~. Dv ORDyNACE
NO. 8578 :^DOPTI._. SSE' BEM! ER 30, 1976
FCR DISTRIUTT(:N TO PREVIOUSLY �.P;.`ROVED
SOCI?LL = GENCIES LISTED HEREIN I:i AN
AYOL NT . O':' i YCLO:;): ; 1 ,i_ 2'th OY T:.._
PF:EVIOUL; YEAR'" ALLOCATION TO EACH AGENCY.
(Lere follows body C:t rosolia:lon, .).1.ltto(:
end on Polo in the 07.ice of oho City Clerk;.
Upon being seconder. by- Co17Aissioner Gibson the resolution was
passed and adopter: by the folic'.'inc; vote -
AYES: Co;-trtiss onor (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissionor Manolo Reboso
Vice Mayor Rose Gordon
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
Mayor Ferre: There's a clause :Al there that says unless, I want to
read it again becuse, so nobody gets concerned about this. That tl-
will not be fur_de.. beyond OctoLar 31, 1976 unless the Cor :Ilission otl .
wise rules contrary beyond November 1, 1976. Now how cotld it be
clearer than that:
Mr. Pla.iimer: I'm not t:yirito play games, you know, bu-._ courts art
tied urn on legali-: ies.
Mayor Ferre: Before November 1, 1976, not beyond Nove:nbc.r 1, 1976.
Mr. Plummer: Plu_ the fact, Rose, you're familiar with that this spy.
that community schools are to be dropped.
Mrs. Gordon: No.
Mr. 1um.-ner : Rose , picase . The six programs not recomm(ndeo for cc.n•
tinuing funding tnis year are the second program, Dade County schools
after school care, that is the memo.
Mrs. Cordon.. But J. L. , it sags "ate amended on October ," which is
yesterday and yesterday it was a.meni:.od . Am I wrong, :dr. . Gra: sie ,
Parkins?
Mayor Ferre. You are c.,r.___t.
Mr. iun.mcr: You are correct, I st..nd corrected.
^.ayo'_" Ferro: 4' „li tt ; recor( to ':ef left that the WQrc "beyond'
be "r)efore" .
(INAUDIBLE)
OCT
be
Mayor Ferre: In the last sentence, the word "beyond" means "before".
Alright, now call the roll.
Mr. Ongie: I did call the roll, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: Are we finished?
Mr. Grassie: Yes sir, we are.
Mr. Plummer: Wou_.d you summarize real quickly for me what we have
accomplished today.
Mr. Grassie: The first and mos': important thin<- that vot've accomplished,
Commissioner, is that you have fulfilled one rec;uirement of
the budgeting process and that is to— finalize the budget. That alto q:
us to out the ads in the paper, to declare the public hec:_in(` date ?:.e
most importantly -:_.o give the County Assessor some basis c..z which to
proceed. They ha,:e a real time problem and we're trying to aocommo i. 3
them as well as gutting their own business done. The second thing
have done is you've officially, by resolution, set a pubic hearing.
The third thing you've done is you have given immediate effect to th
general revenue sharing ordinance that you adopted and I guess most
importantly in that connection you have extended funding. for all the
currently funded agencies so that we can give them a check tomorrow.
Mayor Ferre: Through November 1, 1976.
Mr. Plummer: would you delineate for me further when you say we have
finalized the budget.
Mr. Grassie: Well that is a legal requirement. You must go through
the process of saying that you have finalized the budget. What that
means is that after consideration, you have concluded that t-:a documet
is ready to be presented to the: public so that they can express them-
selves on it in a public hearing and that is all you have:. done. It
does not mean that tie document cannot be changed but it does indicate
your intention anc. you should be clear about this. It does indicate
your intention with regard to t..ae overall level of the budget and the
millage.
Mayor Ferre: Not him because he voted against it.
Mr. Plummer: By a 3-2 vote.
Mayor Ferre: That's correct. The majority of this Commission has
expressed its will.
Mrs. Gordon: A question for clarification and timing anc all this sort
of thing. When do you want to schedule the Social Service portion to: -
hearing? That is also to come up for public hearing.
Mayor Ferre: We have to choose a date for it and it has to be before
November 1, 1976.
Mrs. Gordon: Well could you combine it so there aren't so many meeti::gs?
Mayor Ferre: Sure, that's a great idea.
Mrs. Gordon: How about Tuesday?
Mayor Ferre: How about Tuesday, that same day.
Mr. Grassie: You mean to have the Tuesday hearing also serve as a
hearing on the Revenue Sharing .ordinance?
Mayor Ferre: Sur, why not? ?;e can go two hours with oe and start
off with the othe: one at 11:03.
Mrs. Gordon: Mor_:ing and then afternoon.
Mr. Plummer: That's on Tuesday, right?
Mrs. Gordon: Yes, you said Monday you couldn't.
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Mayor Terre: We've got to bury them all before: Tuesday.
Mr. Grassie: Could we set a time then? We set 9:00 A.M. on Tuesday...
Mayor Ferre: 9:00 - 11:00.
Mr. Grassie: And 11:00 on Revenue Sharing?
Mayor Ferre: And 11:00 on the other.
Mrs. Gordon: No, you won't be .:.hrough by 11:00.
Mayor Ferre: What? On the budget?
Mrs. Gordon: 9:00 on the regular...
Mayor Ferre: We're not going to be through by 11:00? What is there
to talk about?
Mrs. Gordon: I don't know.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mrs. Gordon: Let's say 1:00, Mr. Grassie.
Mayor Ferre: That's at 11:00 Papa, that's what I'm trying to tell you..
You better put your thinking cap on right.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mrs. Gordon: Maurice, if you set it at 11:00, we won't have any lunch
again.
Mayor Ferre: Rose, unless I'm reading this Commission wrong, unless
I'm reading Commissioner Reboso wrong, I tell you that b? 11:00 Tues3,y
morning we can finish. Now Revenue Sharing, I go with you, that's gong
to be a
Mrs. Gordon: So let's start at 1:00 and we'll have a little in-between
time to tend to our business.
Mayor Ferre: I ain't going to be driving back and forth.
Mrs. Gordon: Where are we going to go? Bayfront Auditorium?
Mr. Grassie: Yes, it's scheduled for Bayfront Auditoriur...
Mrs. Gordon: Well that will be close...
Mayor Ferre: Why don't we start at 11:00?
Mrs. Gordon: BecLuse that would skip lunch. Alright? S:00 and then
1:00. If we finish early, we can go to our businesses.
Mr. Grassie: That almost automatically means that your morning session
is going to run for four hours but that's up to you.
Mrs. Gordon: Not necessarily.
Mr. Plummer: I've got something at 2:30.
Mrs. Gordon: You do?
Mr. Plummer: Yes, on Tuesday.
Mrs. Gordon: Well there goes ray lunch.
Mayor Ferre: 11:0, okay. Anything else?
Mr. Grassie: Okay, 11:00 then?
Mayor Ferre: Yes. Would you >ut it in writing so to inform all the
members of the Co:'irnission? You've got to put it in the newspaper too
if it's a public :searing.
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Mr. Grassie: Yes, sir.
Mayor Ferre: And tell Commissioner Reboso it is no longer here now.
10. PERSONAL APPEARANCE: ROBERT PA K - DISCUSSION OF EiCTIONS
63 & 65 OF CITY CHARTER:
Mr. Paulk: Now as it relates to section 63 of the Charter under section
A of that section, states that the Chief Examiner shall provide exam-
inations in accorcance with the regulations of the Board and maintai.:
lists of eligibles of each class of the services of those meeting tha
requirements of slid recrulation3. Positions in the classified servi:%.
shall be filieU by hir: from such eligible lists upon regLisition fro
and after consultation with the City Manager. •As positions are fillet,
the employment officer shall certify the fact by proper 'nd prescribec
form to the Director of Finance and the Director of the cepartment iZ
which the vacancy exists. Now of course Section 63 in the first part
indicates that the Board shall provigate the rules and rcgulations
for the Board to operate. Now it's the intent of the Orc:inance crea-
ting the Human Resources to create a personnel department.. Is that
correct?
Mayor Ferre: Bobby, I'm sorry because I was talking to Plummer and
he was talking about burying somebody and I apologize to you. Would
you repeat that statement?
Mr. Paulk: I said it's the intent of the ordinance to cyaate Human
Resources to create a personnel department. Is that correct?
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Manager would you answer that.
Mr. Grassie: That's my understanding of the intent of tha City
Commission when they adopted the ordinance in, I believe, January of
1976, yes, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: Thee is also a committment not to kill the Civil Service
operation.
Mr. Paulk: Contained within that ordinance.
Mayor Ferre: That's right. Mr. Manager and that was part of that
ordinance and certainly the intention of this Commission.
Mr. Grassie:
Mayor Ferre:
Mr. Grassie:
That's my understanding.
I want to make that very clear.
That's my understanding, yes, sir.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: That the motion that was moved in January is that in
creation of a Human Resources Department, it is not the Intention of
this Commission to kill the Civil Service Department. Now I'm going,
or at least the three of us that voted on this including Reboso, Gibs,.n
and Ferre, that that is what the Manager stated, that is as Booze -Allan
stated, that's what we voted on and if that turns out not to be so, then
I'm telling you right now that I'm reversing it whenever that happens
but at this stage I am going on your recommendation that this will no -a
kill Civil Services.
Mr. Grassie: Not unless they decide they want to die. We have to ha•.re
their 000peratioii in the process, you understand.
Mayor Ferre: we're no..: going to get into one of thase things wh..re. ,
There is a committment. I'm net hedging on it.
Mr. Faulk: I understand the pcsture that you're taking. Under Sect.iin
65 of the Charter which deals with the establwshment of •:he Civil Scrrice
procedure and the disciplinary review procedure under Section 65 stat=s
any member of the Civil Service board and the Director o.: Personnel m,.y
administer an oath to witnesses appearing before said Board or said
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Director in an investigation, disciplinary or field precedure and shaT
have the power to issue. Now the very mention of Director or Person:..:.,
I ask, is it the intention that the Director of the Human: Resources
Department be identified as the Director of Personnel. is that the in-
tention because that's the way the advertisement, as I unierstand,
although I haven't seen it, indicateA that the position to be available
will be the director of personnel.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mr. Paulk: True.
Mr. Grassie: It is my understanding, Mr. Mayor, that there is only
one mention of the title personnel director in the Chartcr•ard I reala
have not had an opinion from the City Attorney with regard to what
limitation that places. Some of the ads that have appeared nationall;
carried the title of "Personnel Director" simply because that is the
title that makes sense in the profession. The title that is in your
ordinance, Human Resources Director, among personnel people means
something different. It means a person who runs a progrEm such as
Mr. Molins has a Manpower Program. Now in order to avoic the obvious
confusion that would result from using incorrect termino=ogy, we have
used the title of "Personnel Director". My understandinc of your
ordinance is that the title that will be used locally will be "Human
Resources Director".
Mr. Paulk: So it would not be "Director of Personnel".
(INAUDIBLE)
Mr. Paulk: Alright. As it relates to the particular ordinance in
going through it defining the responsibilities or functions and dutia:.
of the Department of Human Resources, under "A", it indicates to pro-
vide basic personnel in::ormatioa and support services to all City
employees. Now that's really not clear. We have some basic under-
standing as to what that means tint that can be fay broard-r than the
inter7retation that's being applied in the creation of a iumen Resou _ c as
Department and what their functions are to be. It can 1_ewise incor-
porate group insurance, pension information, workman's compensation btt
no such consideration to incorporate those and they are equally as melon
personnel information and support services to City employees as is
information as it relates to positions that you may apply for for ad-
vancement or promotion or whatever.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mr. Grassie: Two answers, Mr. Mayor. One, I have the in?ression that
Mr. Paulk is attempting to negotiate with the City Commission on your
record what the responsibilities of the department are going to be and
I don't blame him for it simply recognize what has happened. I would
suggest that in terms of the ultimate division of responsibilities, it
has to be something that makes sense for the City and it's not going
to be worked out in the next 10 minutes.
Mayor Ferre: Bobby, I'm going -.:.o tell you. You have the right and I
will recognize yoe anytime we're meeting here that as we go along and
I know Mr. Grassie is not going to like this but I will recognize you
anytime you come here as we move along in trying to work this out.
If you have any beefs, or something isn't being covered cr something
isn't right, I will recognize you. You come here and I will recognize
you anytime to discuss what is going on and it is certainly not the
intention of this Commission to kill the Civil Service Department or
the system.
Mr. Grassie: The second part to the question is whether or not soma
of the financial support activities should be in e human resources
department. For P13, that is s: _ :ply a question Of where v )u concentrate,
your financial talent and the i:)rm cf organization that tee City has
now i zdicates that that is in tee Finance Department. Whether some of
those things can hotter be done in a Human Resources Department again,
is strictly a practical questioe that has to be determined.
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Mayor ferre: That's d :Ianagal job that you've got to determine
and again we've got to go along day by day.
Mr. P,valk: Now I don't know what you said, Mr, Mayor, ws to ask me
to withdraw at this moment and come back at a later time.
Mayoz Ferre: No, what. rn,c.tyJng is not foy: lou to withLraw but that
you have the right and as chaivi:an of this Board, I'm telling you that
T will rceeg.biLc 'C:-1 wan to none -aer to di:,cuss what's
goinc, _ph if yo%. feel LL,ncls co7nc: thc tney shculd and tha....
you t or;a1 ,a GrassiE anc. for that
I -apoLo(JiAe but ye)u don- T.:(11: or (me 61-al;s1L, yuu repoit to this
CommIssion a;=. T tlryt,:nd You -c..00rt to you- Board 'Tut you've
got to come throuch hero so recognize you (-7: Pat; kubish or
any nember or Mr. Hutto. , the C.:;airman of the Board, anytime you want
to ccme and discus theploblms with us.
Mr. u1k Under "Ei" tl-.e functions, to tash, maintain and
administer procras and pro::ec:Ip..fos to provide a safe and healthy work
envif7,nment reduce the cost of incraase and
work time 105scs uirectly to workman's coYApensatSon and safet'j
preqrams to offsc.7. th's (ost or to reduce the cost 17,ut once again,
workman's concns,Itio.. not t::cre 1-)11t that iaoes not imiact upon the
role that the nor its office lays a the moment.
So it is no7_ e).les-jonable bv rfl., or t::e Board. Under "C" to identify
desin and adrniter t:raininrT .ourses and fo:-mal educat_,Dnal prograaL
for the developmert of employee.; in their current or pctati,i1
That doesn't impact so far as trainng is concerned. Thl..1r "ID", to
review anI evaluaic the .lan-:Ower reqrements nec(?ssaY-y 4o *pr7.rform th,
assicned finetThn,l; of the various departments in Lc:, efficiont and
effective manner, Assistant Deartment Directors of the Service
Board to def_.n, identify skills needed to satisfy the requirc-
ment. Perform the L,,d171.1st-rative procedures and field york required
to define and kee:: urrent data on :)osition driptions_ Now that
does it on :-;117 to funper..,,onal in that
depatmc.,t he w;.r:; that we nee to mainta:n a position
classiticatioh pIn and to determine whetne:: or not peop:e
are functionin levei classification that they're identifie;.
in whatever that cosition might be.
Rev. C111-ison: Let -;.:;c a .Tiuciou for theeord. Mr. Pauik, have
you gone through ,11 these definitions with the Manager?
Mr. -aulk: Not w1.7th )1.anager but with the Budget Office.
Rev. Gibson: Why not?
Mr. ?aulk: Well 2 really 1..aw.h't had the occasion to.
Rev. Gibson: Well it would appear to re, and I'm talkin,: about the
orderly process, -t would appear to me that you and the ..anager shova,..
sit down and get ..n un3hdlng. Mr. Mayor, 1 want yo_. and Plummer
to hoar this bec.a.:,sc it bothers me. Nhat you really do _s the road
to process by .1.)icin aay. Now I think, Mr. Paulk, I've decided to
be one member of -:he Commission. I want to be courteouskind, polit
to everybody, that's my ro:c.utarion. But 1 would bope th.t you will
since the Managr is professional and he is charged ..Jith the re-
sponsIbility of crryin(7.4 out what we have agreed to, tha_ I would hopi
that you would take ir out. You know, the trouble thawe have in
this world toda.., everybody you know, ye don't cAumuhicate.
Hell: that's no -Jhat it it's because nob:.,dy wantst talk to any-
body Why don't :au c_fat and talk with the Man.ger and fiLd
oat, ,, Now you'..:c. askin ,i.anastr
to a,-.swer ail C ncfa.a.L.:1at—.):1s standing U r. Do you think
is fair and ricihtY tell oLt.i. As a m-:shrL,er of .he 3mmissic.,
i don't ehink Now the otnor3 may feel that way.
Ferre. .osec. Lea things that dislike tc.! most Is
argunc3 with you ,Ind but I tp tell
an orLinano.e back in January, l'ebruary 26th, -:_he number it is 856
and Section 4, it roads as follows: "It i.. declared b.:: the
legii,lative intent of this bcdy," now follow me, "that 1.::ple..ntatien
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of the Human Resources Department shall not abridge the r al: ey-m< king
authority of the Civil Service roar(, and shall not impede, dr,Sour or
interfere with Civil Service policies in the areas of establishing,
maintaining, enforcing, in -hiring standards and qualificctions; pre-
paration, administration, certification and supervision cf all in -hiring
and promotional examinations; j'.idicial review of all disciplinary actions
and procedures; approval of employee performance evaluation standards
and review of all personnel actions persuant to Civil Service Board
rules." I stand en that and I think everybody else does on this
Commission.
Mr. Paulk: I understand Commissioner Gibson's co;cern in perhaps that
I should discuss this with the City Manager and it is not because I
have c.-ioosen not to, Commissioner Gibson, I have iscussc l it through
his e_nmisaries, t).e Budcret Department, in the budget procss as every
other department does but it is not, we're not charged with taking
our budget through that process. It is charged to be brought to the
Commission level.
Mayor Ferre: That's correct and you...
Rev. Gibson: But Mr. Mayor, you may not be charged with taking your
budget there but we have just taken an affirmative position to enact
a department that you seem to t:iink is in conflict with our depart-
ment or your agency or your thi_zg. All I say to you, out of fairness
to all, you know, one of the things I discovered in life is you don't
play this game fa_.r and if you don't recognize everybody for what he
is, you know what will happen, you will have kaos and aic t oe misund._:
standings. Let me give a concrete example. When you weee here aski-.'
about the money, I asked, not we, I asked did you all have a:. opportaa it•,
to share and to communicate and to say and yoi know, the interestinc
things, after you went home and slept or whatever, you come sack and
you said we could make it with 23 additional thousand dollars.
Mr. Paulk: I didn't really imply that, Commissioner. What I said
was...
Rev. Gibson: Let me say this. You asked us for $23,000 today that yc,u
didn't ask us for before. Isn't that right?
Mr. Paulk: That es correct.
Rev. Gibson: The point is if you had looked through, this is the poir.t
I'm trying to make, if you had looked through, maybe you would have
asked for it yesterday or the day before. Ali I'm saying is, for Gcd s
sake, you ought tc talk with that man. You may not like him, you may
not like his looks and look, I'm sure that times I don't like his looks
either but you know what, you ought to have a talk with that man beca'.se
let me tell you, all we legislates are going to end up having to deal
with him. Okay?
Mr. Paulk: I understand that.
Rev. Gibson: You know, that's very simple. That's the way you run
churches and let me tell you, it ain't no different up here.
Mr. Plummer: I hate to simplify things but can I make a suggestion teat
you and the Manager sit down and you go over point by po:.nt by point
your questions, h:s answers and any area that you have d.sagreement is
and come back before this Comm_lission because we still reserve the r_g:.t
to make any changs we want. Now until you have done th.t, you're ,:.s._-
ing us questions that we're having to turn to him to ans',/er so all I'.a
saying to you is, cut out the middleman.
Mayo: Ferre: If 'ou noticed, Lverytime that Mr. Faulk a.•ked Ale a Quo.;tiGn,
I didn't answer once, 1 asked she Manager to answer for aim.
Mr. Plummer: All I'm saying, Lobby, I think what you sh,u1d do is ei.:
down and before you do that, ,make a list of all your quo tior.s, then
sit down with the maneger and ::;ay heeu':_, point one, how eo you feel
what is your interpretation, ye e agree or you disagree. These areae
that you have disagreement in .hat you leel are a legitieate disagrLe..iern,
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come back here. New even "El. Calde Ooncreto C .hasa" said that if, it
fact, things were not the way t'ney were supposed to be, he would chang,.
his vote. He said he would call this Commission immediately.
Mayor Ferre: You know, the next time you go to Columbia, I ain't voting
for it.
Mr. Plummer: No, you'll vote for a one-way ticket, that's what you'll
vote for.
Mayor. Ferre: No, T. like you, Plummer, I really do. Anyt_iing else?
11. MISCELLANEOUS DISCUSSION ITEMS:
Mr. Plummer: Yes: Mr. Mayor, = ` .e cot to ask some quest- .ins here.
Mr. Manager, first of all, I would like this w'lich Mr. Pc ;.kips has
put together on tl-ee cost. of Day Care, be put in some kinc of a form
that's easily unG(..rst nQable so that. if Mrs. Cordon has c tsag reement-
with his figures, not mine, then she can pick it apart. For example,
Rob, I'm • t a lose. No estimate of State Food, Grant. P: aase don't
explain it now bu:: I think this is the kind of thing that. hae got tc
be clarified. L'o._.nt number 2, And this is a point of c14.rif=.cation
and I really hate to even a.k it but. I think it's got to be asked.
Mr. Mana'_ er, as 1 understand what we have done here todae by October
18th, we would be up and complied with the law and be reedy for a fin,_.
adoption of the bdget. Is that correct?
Mr. Grassie: Yes, the 19th.
Mr. Plummer: Alrerht, sir. God forbid that it should h pperl but sho• T.
it happen, hypathetically my q_:estion , we haven't yet mace a setticri'e t
with the unions. liow can we adept a final budget?
Mr. Crassee: I ,.-.ink, Commissioner, that you have to adept the buds
as presented. There are no additional revenues and the only thing t:l..
can h�e donc you have a settlement, you will have to (:.ecreasc
enouh existing e>>:endi ture it' ins so that you can meet tee new ones.
That-s the only a'_ternative that's available.
Mr. ?lurcuccr. just as: ling or clarification, that's :.11. I'm
hope�L.l it will .settled before then hut if it is not, what you're:
saying, as 1 understand it, if it is approved at that lezel, regard:.c.,s
of whatever the negotiations are it :rust come from that. Now further
clarification. Unless you tell me to the contrary because there's
alot of management people that are sitting back that are having a
tougher time than I am and the Mayor to decipher what ha3 happened.
As I understand it now, and these are round figures, very round figtr:s,
we are looking at a 31 million dollar figure, hypothetical I unders•�aad,
for increases.
(INAUDIBLE)
Mr. Plummer: Okay but let's say that's an outside perarr.ater. We're
look:_ng at a million dollars increasing in the sheet as outlined by
the Commission. Now is there anything else to your knowledge that
not included in that total of 42 million dollars?
Mr. Grassie: well in addition to the million dollars, ', ju had an aa_ti )nal
impact because of what you've decided to do in revenue sharing today.
Mr. ?lummer: We=1 then. I' 11 a:;k it off the record. In other words,
what I'm trying to f i.si.rc , as had it figured yesterday, you're talT, _n c
about roughly, as 1 had it figured yesterday, about a 5.5 decrease is
the :budget.
Mr. Grassie: The.' s correct.
Mr. ?lummer: Is that the way you had it pretty well figured?
Mr. Grassie: Yes.
Mr. ?lummer: So as the depart -cent heads right now stand, they can start
looking at a 5.6 reduction. Is that in the ballpark?
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Mr. Grassie:
Mr. Plummer:
looking at.
Mr. Grassie:
Well I'm not giving them that direction at this point.
No, I'm not asking that but that's basically what you're
It will be close to that.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, J. L., is there anything else you want to ask?
Mr. Plummer: The only other thing, Mr. Mayor, I've got ny truck witi ,
and I won't bring it up today, is the 120 employees of t17e Sanitation
Department. I have a great concern for that situation and I want it
discussed before the final budget. •
Mayor Ferre: This Commission is now adjourned.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to come before the City Conmtissicn,
on motion duly mace and seconded, the meeting was adjourned at.4:10 P.M.
ATTEST: RALPH G. ONGIE
City Clerk
MAURICE A. FERRE
MAYOR
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