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OF MEETING HELD ON APRI. 27, 1977 PREPARED aY THE OFFICE OF THE CI ? CLERK CITY HALL RALPH G. 01161E C I Y CLERK CI; INDEX CF,PEGULARSETING Sslui OF mipru) ADRIDA ITEM NO. MCI ORDINANCE 6 RESOLUTION PAGE NO, 1 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15, 16, PRESENTATION EY METROPOLITAN DADE TRANSIT AUTHORITY ON RAPID TRANSIT sYsTEM: BRIEF DISCUSsIoN-MorosED $25 MILLION BOND IssUt RE: ORANGE BoW1,-(PoSTPONtb TO 2 PM APRIL 28: SECOND READING ORD - CHANGE ZONING CLASS MOM c-1 AND R-4 TO G-U 900.-960 gW 1st STET SECOND READING ORD/NANcE-AMEND ZONING ORD. TO INCREASE PERCENTAGE OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES POR COMPACT CARS, LOW INCOME AND ELDERLY HOUSING: SECOND READING ORDINANCE -AMEND CITY CODE -ESTABLISH STANDARDS FOR ABSENCES OF MEMBERS OF PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND ZONING BOARD: SECOND READING ORDINANCE -AMEND ZONING ORD. TO PERMIT AUTO SALES IN C-I, AS CONDITIONAL USE: SECOND READING ORDINANCE -AMEND ZONING ORD. - REVISE SIGN REGULATIONS -IN Co4At SECOND READING ORDINANCE -REVISE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT PROVISIONS TO PROVIDE "NO CONTINUANCE" OF ADULT ENTERTAINMENT IF SUCH IS DISCONTINUED OR ABANDONED: PROPOSED 1ST READING ORDINANCE -CHANGE 6 MONTHS EXPIRATION LIMITATION FOR VARIANCES -CONDITIONAL USES TO 2 YEARS (DEFERRED TO MAY 18, 1977) FIRST READING ORDINANCE- CHANGE ZONING CLASSIFICATIO FROM R-C to C-1 100 N.E. 84TH STREET: GRANT PERMISSION TO ESTABLISH HEAVY EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY AT APPROXIMATELY 1300- 1400 N.W. 20TH STREET ZONED G-U; (A) CLOSE ALLEY N.E. 15TH & 16TH STREETS BETWEEN 1ST CT. AND 2ND AVE. (B) GRANT AIR RIGHTS ABOVE I.E. 15TH TERR. FOR PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE (BOTH FOR. JEFFERSON STORES); PUBLIC HEARING- DRIVERS LICENSE FACILITY AT CENTRAL SHOPPING PLAZA; CLOSURE OF N.W. 5TH AVE. BETWEEN N,W, 60TR AND 62ND STREETS FOR DADE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD: (A) GRANT ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF COND, VSE FOR PRIVATE CLUE; (B) GRANT ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF COND, iJSE FAR RESTAURANT (BOTH FOR CHARTER CUB); GRANT ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF VARIANCE fOR WAIVER PARKING REQUIRDIENTS-3181 CORAL WAY (THE 4CNK4S INN); SRTEF DIsCUSSION AND DEFERMENT oF APPOINTMENT Or ALTERNATE =PER TO THE 40NTrG BOARD; 8635 8636 8637 8638 8639 8640 R 77-352 R 77-353 16 17 17 18 18-19 tax NO 51CT MANCE 0 SOLUTION PAGE NO. 18. 19. FINAL PRESENTATION -MUM COMP tE tt sIVE NEIGUEOfttt00D PLAN (PtMBLIC REAR=NG AND DEFER POR VOTING ON MAY 12, 1977); REQUEST I'OR CHANGE OP ZONING FROM a-3 To C-5 2151 N.W. 23ED STREET (ITEM HELD AND DETERRED VOA PULL COMMISSION TO FUTURE DATE) 44 - 58 58 - 88 MTNUTt5 RtOULAk MtETINd OP THE MY =RUSTON � AMI, PIO= * * * Oft the 27th day of April, 1977, the City Commission af Miami, Florida at at its regular meeting plade in the City Hall, 2500 Pan American Drive, Miami, Florida in regular neaten. The meeting was called to order at 110 o'clock P.M, by VideeMsyar____. Theodore R. Gibson, with the following members af the commission found to be present; Commiisiose Gordon Commissioner J. L. Mummer, Jr. VieeMayor Theodore R. Gibson ABSENT: Mr. Reboso and -Mayor rerre. ALSO PRESENT: Joseph R. Crassie, City Manager R. L. ?omen. Assistant City Manager George F. Knox, City Attorney Ralph O. Origie, City Clerk Matty Hirai, Assistant City Clerk An invocation was delivered by Reverend Gibson who then led those present in a pledge of allegiance to the flag. A motion to waive the reading of the minutes was introduced and seconded and was passed unanimously. 1. PRESENTATION BY METROPOLITAN DADE TRANSIT AUTHORITY ON RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEM. Vice -Mayor Gibson: Mr. Grassie, will you introduce our visitors, and state their purpose? Put them on. Mr. Grassie: Yes, Mt. Vice -Mayor. I would like to present to you Mt. Allan Walker who in representation of D.O.T. of the County, would like to inform the City Com- mission on progress and plans with regard to mass transit and the people mover projects for this community. Unidentified person; Good afternoon. We are here this afternoon with the Kaiser Transit Group, the transportation consultants for the final design program for stage I of the rapid transit system. The presentation today will be given by three people, ----Gene Stan, who is project manager, and Michael Lambert who is in charge of the station site selection planning process. and Ron Pals, who is deputy manager of architecture and urban design. First Gene Stan will give an over -view of the total project, its organization, milestone reports and citizen perticipartion process. Michael Lambert will review the sites identified for the City of Miami stations at Douglas Road, 27th Avenue, 17th Avenue and 26th Road, and discuss the process involved in station site selection. Tf you will refer to your map, the map we passed out, these are shown as stations 6, 7, 8 and 9. For purposes of study, the stations have been divided into groups as you can see on the map. The Douglas station is a part of group 2, and the other 3 station* being discussed here today are part of group 3. Ron Pals will close the presentation with a discussion on site design criteria. The County Commission will hold public hearings on each group of stations, as their study and recommendations are comoleted. The Douglas site which is part of group 2 , will have a public hearing during the week of June 6. The citizens committee will be reviewing the stations in group 3 begining May 3, through the middle of July. The week et July 18, the County Commission will hold public hearings on the group 3 stations, The second sheet attached to our handout shows the entire schedele of 3roep 3 presentations. Any recommendations on the stations site from the Commissios, the Miami City Commission, should be sent to the lieerd of County Commisaienem just prior to the public hearing when all the feedback and informative is in, We will return to you in early July for additional information on group 3. Az elected officials you have sever il avenues through which * you may participate in the issues involved in the stage i of the rapid transit system, First id by resolution to the county commission, and appearance at public hearings. Second is through pattiaipation by Mayor Ferre as he represents the Downtown Day. Authority, and Vice -Mayor Gibson as he represents the City of Miami on the policy council, whieh is a group of elected and appointed officials that give input into the Board of County Commissioners. The Council met fat the second time this past Monday. The Vide Mayor may want to comment ott this later on. The third avenue of participation is through the general citiren participation process. WE would welcome comments and questions from the commission. ate do stress that today we are here to explain to the processes involved in the selection of station sites for the rapid transit system. We would like to show you early the kind of things that the citi±ets will be looking at and tevieting in the nett month and a half. till turn the program now over to Gene Stan. Mr. Gene Stan! I am the project manager for the Kaiser Transit Group and we are doing the final design of the rapid transit system. A year ago last March, the federal urban mass transportation administration gave the County a grant for 15 million dollars to begin the final design of Stage i of the rapid transit system. Work began on the design in August of last year. in December of last year _ .'made a commitment to the County to hind 500 to 600 million dollars for construction of the Stage I system, but limit it to 1611 tiles of it. If you refer to the snap that has been handed out to you, that portion of the system would be from Dadeland in the south through downtown Miami, through the Civic Center, through Model Cities, up to 65th Street. That would carry us up through station No, 19 on the snap in .aanuar:, agreed with the County that the County could proceed with the final design only, not construction at this time, but final design of the re- mainder of the system , an additional 4 miles to make it 204 miles -system. In the preliminary engineering, that we did from 1973 through 1975, we identified a number of alternative route alignments and station locations for the entire county -wide 48 mile transit system of which this segment is one part. And in those studies we identified the locations of the stations that are shown on this map, staions 1 through 22. Fourteen of these stations are in the City of Miami limits. These stations are approximately a mile apart. But we did one of our most important pieces of work in the final design at this stage, -is the establishment of the final detailed locationsof each of these stations with respect to specifically which street corner are they on, or how far from -a street corner. How much property are they going to take? The primary basis for this type of work, is what we call the mode of access study, which has recently been completed. These studies project computer models,the ridership, the number of passengers that will pass through each transit station daily and also the routes by which they come to the station in order that we may make necessary traffic improvements on the those routes, and also the modes by which they come to the station or leave the station. That is, whether by walking, by driving to the station and parking, by being driven to the station and dropped off or coming by bus or feeder: bus. On the basis of these studies, we are able to size the station. All the stations are basically the same size as far as the building is concerned, the platform and all the other fac liti.es.But the parking facility and the number of bus stalls, will vary of course, depend.ng on the number of people that are projected to use the station. W at we are doing now, is to refine these station locations shown on this map and pia them Gown to absolute final location so the final design can bo begun .n the l.,*tter part of the summer or early fall. WB are doing this by developing a number of alternatives for each of the station site Locations and then screening these through what we call a three -level screening process to arrive at what we 'tope Will be the optimum solution for that station. The first two levels of screening are conducted by the ccnsua.tant,(by its) and the Count" and other local officials' The first screening is a very rough, coarse analysis which merely looks at each station and determines on a gross basis whether the stations has adequate space for the parking required and whether by providing that space we can stay within the budget that has been established, Stations are glen eliminated in that screening that don't Need those criteria, and we proceed to the second level screening, which ;mow to, evaluate each alternative site in come of evolution criteria. The ervirol! mantel f. crdr,s, ct un ty 4is€uptieaan4 di$1,1acer►ent, lend use, site deaign.aurf ice t attic 'cxiittY, We actuall+ :ate each of these alternatives in terms of these evaluation nharaeteristids and then come up with the recommended solutions. The second level of screening, we then eleminate another number. The third level of screening is wetly the same as the aedand, We do have the same evaluation in accordance with the same S evaluating criteria. gut thin third screening is done by the public, through our public involvement program. Par the past couple of months, we have been out with the committee that has been appointed or rather elected to join and participate in this programs, giving them the data an the various alternatives and asking them to evaluate the alternatives and come up with their recommended solution. 'We have just completed that evaluation by the oititena for etation group 20 tahieh are the stations its South Miami, in Coral Gables, and the station at Le deune goad and touglaa toad. The Douglas Road Station is in Entity of Miami.. Today we are going to discuss the Douglas goad Station, and the results of the aititens evaluation or that station, and also the results of the first two levels in screening only for stations 7, 8 and 9. Those are stations at 27th Avenue 17th Avenue and 26th Road on S. Dixie. And that is the program for today. Any questions before we proceed with that? The first thing we will have is Ron pals, our architect, who will discuss site design so you will have some idea of what a station consists of,,and what the requirements are for the station. Mr.Grassie: Will someone get the lights please? Mr. iron Pals: One of the greatest opportunities in making each site an individual statement and conforming to the dictates of the community around it, is the site design of a station. In our early design process, we were mainly looking at two things. How the site works in terms of circulation for the various modes of access and secondly, the size of the site that is necessary to acquire the number of buses and parking spaces , as determined in our individual figures. Of course, ultimately, the exact number will also be determined by the as yet not determined parking policy of the county as well as the various municipalities involved. But our process here in the screening process is simply one of organizing the modes of access into their proper priorities. The first priority if given to buses as you can see in this slide or perhaps a little better in this closer view. Since they are an integral part of the master transportation system, are given first priority. We try to get the bus base as close to entrance of the station as possible. Second priority then is given to what we call 'kiss.and-ride' or the short-term parking, where people are brought to the station by a spouse or friend and dropped off. In this slide it is in the upper right hand corner, in that area, near the guideway. That is not a tremendous amount of space required in this because the stopping time is so short. Then the third priority is given to park -and -ride, -or those people who would come and park their car either all day or for an extended period of time. Even though this requires the most space, or land space, per transit patron,we have learned by experience that it is necessarily an important ingredient in transit patron accomodation. We also look at how the station and its site relates to adjacent neighborhoods. This is an example of parking that it not necessarily at -grade, but in a structure. In some cases, because of land values or because the take necessary to accomodate the cars, is, we feel is too large and would have a negative impact on the surrounding community. We are proposing parking structures. Again we look at how the sites relate to neighborhoods and how we can best screen or buffer the parking, whether it is in a structure or at -grade from the surrounding neighborhoods, We also look at major pedestrian means of access and bus drop-off from a concittuous through -line as well as those buses that would terminate at the station. This is an example of one of our concepts where we have a parking lot at grade where there is a major pedestrian spine through the parking lot leading to the adjacent community. We are trying to take advantage of the south Florida climate and its unique vegetation in making the Made County system one that is truly unique throughout the country, and in fact the world, These are some various examples of tow people might enter a station. We are looking at possibilities of eonmecting the continuous park, or linear park concept along the guideway, right into the station entrance itself. In some cases where room, and proper access a4Tows us, rye will also take advantage of the area under the guideway to park tars. In this case we have the shsrt.term parking under the guideway, People would then leave their ears end walk directly into the station. Another =oncept is providing a green canopy between the guideway stru tures that wield provide some shade for people walking into the station, This is just as example end we haw already changed this slightly ift the way of our thinkiftg, but as an example, the typical atatieft, Our coftcept ie to keep it very open, light end to mini:W.2e the etrueture, Here you sde in yellow the fare gat e§ et the entrance to the station, but met to that, farvending eaahinee that would include system tepe and telephone both. ?au look inside you dad the station atteftdant't booth. This is a shot inside the dOnnOUrSe, showing the nation attendant's booth which we adatne Vill ieelude some eloaede circuit T.V. monitors for eafety. Also shut here a little bit eloaer to you, are the fart donation gates, the stall structure that etcloses the fare vending taehirtes, and incorporates in it telephcne booths and taps. Also to the beek of this elide ie the escalators going up tO the platform. Another cleser view of what we conceive of might be a fare collection equipment tight look like. Theft once you reach the platfart level, where you get On the train, again it would be very open with possible eeeeption,---e-here you see On the far tight side a acoustical barrier, and these have yet to be desigted. We have consultants on board that are now studying the possibilities of what this material tight be and where they tight be needed. Those are basically the considerations that we give in our site desigft. The following slides are examples of the site plans of Le Jeune, Douglas Road and a eotbination site that were chosen by the corridor coufteil. t think at this time Mike Lambert will address these more speeifitally. Mr. Mike Lambert: Thank you ton. The milestone t committee which was a committee charged with making a recommendation on the location of the stations, has net sirs ties on the stations it the City of Coral Cables, and South Miami and on the station at Douglas Road. The Committee has made a recommendation and last night at a session of that committee they did reaffirm the recommendations so the stations Sites we are showing you today are the ones which the citizens themselves have recommended as being those which would be considered by the County Commission for implementation. The slide we have here is of the Le Jeune station site which is immediately north of Le 4eune Road between U.S. 1, south there on the photograph, and Ponce de Leon Blvd to the north with Slue Road on the far western extent. That site would involve the taking ofa parking/storage area forDeel. Ford dealership. It is comprised of eh acres and we estimate in terms of its disruption and displace - tent it would have displaced approximately 71 persons with the possibility of having an impact eeDeel Ford itself. This site is one of a pair that were con- sidered. Here we have an aerial view of the same site showing the kind of parking development that would be necessary. We would have on this site about 932 cars to be parked. The next we have here is of the Douglas Road site, which the committee recommended. That site has almost 51/2 acres and this site has total parking require- ment of around 1,000 spaces. it was the committee's recommendation however, not that there be a station at Le Jeune and another one at Douglas. Here we have an aerial view of that station at Douglas as it was planned, were it be developed, but rather that there be a combination station site between Le Jeune and Douglas. This site of course would have to be bigger. It is almost 10 acres. It has almost 2,000 cars, which would need to be accomodated on the site. The committee has expressed their opinion that rather than the preceeding two stations at Le Jeune and Douglas, the commission consider the development of the single station between these two sites which would have service to the same population essentially. This is a rendering of a station, considered at virtually the same locatton. It is slightly different in its layout but when we are talking about parkin; 2,000 vehicles we are taking about a large structure and before proceeding any further on these numbers I would like to point out that, as Mr. Stan stated there is a parking policy program underway, that this would include such things as the charges which would be levied for using the parking structures and prelimtnary indications from our models indicate that thi$ would significantly drop the amount of parkin which would be necessary at each station site. So what we see here, is what we feel is the free and enconstrained demand of the community, without either traftic constraints or coot constraints in ;he Vey of parking fees, That eoncludes the Le Jeune and Douglas combination. I would like to proceed on station croup 3 aed after that I would be happy to entertain any enestions you may have, We are very early in our work on station eroep 3 as a natter of reference. Station grout) 3 is the three stations indicated and preliminary engineering immediately north of 27th Avenue. This aerial photograrh indicates along 11,5.1 the area in which we are spealciug. We have S,W, 27th Avenee which Ilad indieated in preliminary engineering station site, approximately in the configuration.,......17th Avenge which had indicated another station. again in aproximately this configuration Along 17th. and the 3rd st4Vi9A $140 located 43 5.W, 25th Acad, platform which w40 located hare and of en4r$4 the palee which was located here. The alignment of the Zuid@waY smeturo would ne 14tni4 1;n0 Florida Zest coast right-of-way, all alone v,s, 1, Qn 3ay 3, we 1611 1I be going beck to our milestone t Committee which last night decided that it Mould be meeting in this area but the exact loaation of which has not been set, to review our preliminary findings for two station sites. One at 26th Road and the other at 17th Avenues In addition to that, the following week on the loth they would be reviewing the combination station sites which are as proposed in the City of Miami's yetetoebe=adopted Comprehensive Neighborhood Oevelopment Plea, a station at Vizcaya,'- in the area of Vi2caya, excuse me, in lieu of the 26th Road or the 17th Road stations. That one being considered and then an addition ott the 10th, we would be discussing possible station locations for 27th Avenue. I would like to point out at this time that in station group 2 we started off with a total of almost 34 alternative sites and cane down finally with the committee to three sites which they did recommend, in that four station segment, the combination of course reducing the number of stations by one. So what you will be seeing today is analogous to that 34 number. This is the beginning of vary involved citizen participation and evaluation process. What 1 would like to show now, to give a preliminary indication of what we have identified for the May 3 meeting as alternative station sites which would be considered are the sites along 26th Road which is shown here, I-95. Of course we start off with the preliminary engineering site. Our initial figures indicated this had, ---for lack of a better term, what 1 would call a raw demand, in terms of parkland -ride, of about 800 spaces, --that is a significant number. But again that is without parking fees and we anticipate that number would drop significantly if it is determined that parking would be paid for at the station site. So this site would have the parking here. As initially planned, there would be a tunnel that would access underneath I-95 to the station platform area, where there would be bus access, possibly kiss -and -ride access as well. In addition to that a site has been identified which would be almost totally withinthe right-of-way of either 1-95 or the Florida East Coast Railroad. We are determining now whether or not the parking in here would be adequate to supply access to the station, and in addition to that, there is one other site which is currently considered still viable, and would be presented to the committee and that one parallels S.W. 26th Road and extends over to S.W. 27th Road here. This is the site which would involved taking of a number of dwellings and as with the preliminary engineering site, the parking for drop-off parking, kiss -and - ride, and bus, would be within the right-of-way. Those are the three sites which we have initially identified for 26th Road. I would like to point out also that the parking policy committee of course will be considering the May 25, 1975 resolution of the City of Miami with regard to the need to maintain minimum amounts of parking while preventing on -street parking and unnecessary intrusion of parking in the neighborhoods. So we are very aware of the City's concern on that issue. The 17th Avenue site which has been identified in preliminary engineering and at this point appears to remain the most viable. It is located along 17th Avenue immediately west of U.S. 1 between S.W. 17thCourt and 17th Avenue. The exact extent to which it would go up towards S.W. 23rd Terrace is not defined at this point. As you are aware with this site we are talking about an area where there is significant residential development surrounding and the Florida Power and light Company sub station. Then for the combination sites, we have identified 3 alternatives of which two are shown here in detail and one is yet being developed, The first is centered approximately as indicated on the Miami Neighborhood Comprehensive Development Plan, around $.W, 32nd Road. It extends on either side of 22nd Road, between S,W, 1st Avenue and U.S, 1. The exact dimensions and the tapes on either side are yet to be determined. An additional, possible combination site would involve putting es much parking as possible within the right=of-way with the possibility of some additional take in this area, immediately west of S,'WT, 26th Road. The final alternative for the combination which has been detailed, is, the one which would involve actually taking two residential blocks here and would be located on 26th Road, We are examining the feasibility of a station site configuration that would proceed up along d,W, 23rd Road and would take some, bat not necessarily all of sotte of the block* between S.W. 23rd Road and S.W. 3rd Avenue, So those are tfte alternatives which have been identified today and which are being examined an the committee will review on the 3rd of May. and again on the Nth, At this time it is too early $44 the process to specify that any given site is mate viable than the others. but as Mr. Stan pointed but, the Committee will receive intormeticn an these sites in relationship to the land use implication, nether or not they are in oot►p ianoe with the recommendations of the Miami Comprehensive Neighborhood Development Platt, and the Dade County Comprehensive Development Master Plat, end the possibility, of any other community development or Neighborhood Plans which exist, in addition to that they would be advised as to the possible other land use implications of a particular site, whether or not they would be a chenee for a desirable seeondsry development as recommended it the Miami Comprehensive Neighborhood Plan, or whether there could be negative effects. After land use they would be told the exact displacement that each site would entail, the number of dwellings, the number of jobs, the number of businesses and the number of people, In addition to that they would be advised as to the kinds of street improvetaents which we feel would be necessary to reduce the impeet on the neighborhood and provide access to the site that would be adequate to serve that site. In addition to the traffic, then we proceed with enviroument. We are looking in detail at the noise implications, We will be examining in the future the air pollution implication which might occur by concentrating parking this way . At this time we are in fact far below the minimum guidelines for open air parking in terms of needing to file any kind of impact statements.bispersed air pollution regulations specify that open parking space with almost 1500 cars of the sites which you see here, only the 27th Avenue, and the combination sites are near that figure. The final factor which would be examined, is site design itself, an exampleof which you saw in the slides. We shoo the committee the kind of structures which each site would involve, the access points, what it would look like would provide to them what we hope is an accurate rendering of the way the site would look for one standing at grade looking at the site from the boundary to the site. Those are the five factors. With that I would like to conclude then that they in the station group and we welcome your input and any questions you might have. Rev, Gibson: I want to ask today what I didn't ask day before yesterday. I think that combintation station may involve two municipalities, one way or the other. Either by actual land location, or either by land and people. I am disturbed that I don't hear you all telling me, (you didn't tell me :Monday nor or you telling me now) what you are going to do about those people. What they don't know that you are saying is, if you go to that combination station, you are going to be dealing with apartment houses on No. 1 Highway. Is that right? Mr.Lambert:No, sir. We have examined that and it was suggested by the Mayor of the City of Coral Gables that those residences would be desirable to take, but we looked at it in detail. We estimated it would cost about 2.1 million dollars to take that land and in return for that we would be able to provide parking for only 250 cars at grade. In other words we would be incurring a development cost to ourselves just for the take, of almost $10,000. a car. So we did look at it in detail but it was determined that for our purposes it was not within the scope of what we felt was appropraite for the station site, and we did not include those units. Rev. Gibson: So you are talking about Ponce and Le Jeune, Is that it? Nor. Lambert: No, sir, Let cue go back. The site which the here you have to the west, would be the housing to which Rev. Gibson:What? that area, or combintation. committee recommended, ----- you are referring. yr, Lambert: To the west here, off the screen and not included in our site, would ae the housing between U.S. 1 and Ponce which you referred to earlier, for the combination. The boundary of the site then, is along U,S,1 up to ?eacock Avenue, Rev Gibson; Where is Douglas, Mt. Lambert litre, ---over SW 38th Avenue, Ruv. Gibson: Then you will be taking Banner Supply, Is that it? Mr. Lambert; Ye , 1 believe that it is correct, ,vv. Gibson: For all intent and pu€poees I con 461c my question. 1 cent to Qw if 5fY p€ovigirn is being made 0 p ace, or help these People to be retpogted, r7 whether they Ara in bueiness or whether they are in housing, I don't vent to see the same thing happen it as transit, -rapid transit, that happened in the Culmer are you knot what I mean? Mr. tambertt I understand sir, There are two things which are involved in that, First of all, there is a policy on relocation which provides significant benefits. Rut more than that since 1974 the uniform relocation act of the federal government, requires that when federal funds ate used, people who would be relocated receive significant benefits. Instead of say SW. to just move your home, there is actual relocation in comparable dwellings, 1 believe it is up to $1500, There are provisions to provide people who are renting to receive subsidies to help buy a home, So there are significant changes. Rev. Gibson: So you are prepared to talk with those people and notify them in plenty of time. Mt. Lambert: That is correct, sir. Rev. Gibson: Let me raise a couple more. 1 am concerned about 17th Avenue, west of No. 1,-how do you describe it, west of NO. 1. Which one of those corners? 1 am concerned about it 1 just want to snake sure you wern't talking about that quarter.`Ihose people, you know,'--- Mr.Plummer: Are you contemplating taking the apartment complex in its entirety? Mr. Lambert: No, sir, at this time We are not. 1r. Plummer: Let me pinpoint it. Are you pinpointing it west of 17 and north of the railroad track. Mr. Lambert: At this point it is east, of 17 and north of the railroad track. It involves an area that includes gas stations, 7-11, 1 believe there are some apartments that could be involved in that. Primarily it is actually in a space defined between an extension of frontage road here and U.S.1, in that area. Mr. Plummer: Are you going to take the Florida Power & Light substation? Mr. Lambert: No, sir it would not. Mr. Plummer: Does it go that far? Rev. Gibson: One other question. I am glad we straightened that out so that I can sleep tonight. 26th Road, ----have you talked with the Rabbi and those in that area? Mr. Lambert: No, sir we have not. We of course hope that through our milestone E committee we can speak with all the people in the area. In addition to that, if there are any citizens who have a particular interest or suggestions or whatever, we remain available through C-P staff and our direct technical staff in this area. I believe you are speaking of this area in here?? The south of U.S.1. Rev. Gibson; 26th? Mt, Lambert: 26th Road. We have already spoken to some extent with people who live in this areaa. I am sure the Greek Orthodox Church would be involved as well,, Rev. Gibson; Itou are talking about near the Deering bstate, the Planetarium. ;fix, Lambert; The Planetarium here, would be most directly affected if there is a combination site along SW 32 d. At 26th we have alternatives which could involve taking some properties in this area here, which is near this church along 26th Road. At this time of course we are very early in the prmoess of analyzing the site and haven't :made arty determinations. Rev, 'Oibsoa; my concern is, for Cod's sake, if you are planning to go on Roth Road, those people have a vested Merest. for which you and 1 s n't buy. They have sentimentality' troy have the weddings. marriages, buried the deed from there, and I 44 Sest you run, run, run, AdV, dibtoft: co talk with those people, Mr. taMbertt Ve will have meetings ift the area, and in addition td that, one of the factors that we involve the ddlaittee in, probably more than any other tingle fadtor, is comnunity disruption and ditpladementt stated that we provide those people With information About the partidular businesses, by address in the specific bUaidedeoby Out best eStithate of the fiUMbet of people and the retidentt, But we do not dot:strain the committee to only t:titter those things. At the meeting which we held in Coral Cables area and South Miami, t believe the Committee would agree with me that they were strongly iftfluended by the opinions of the people who live in the area, especially dh that fadtorif the people felt that the station would be a significant problem for them in terms of their community it is entirly valid for the committee to take that into consideration it their eValuatioh, Mt. Plummer: t read in the paper the other day that said something to the effect that the input of the cities Would not alter the authority of Metropolitan Dade County, as to say cities, don't waste your time talking to this situation. t am sure you read the article. Would you like to comment on the article sir/ Lambert: Certainly. Hopefully we have provided within our own process the avenue of policy eouncil, a policy committee itself which would have direct itput in the county eommission. In addition to that of course any governing body in Dade County would have the perfect right and authority to come up with a resolution of their own similar to the May 5, 1975 resolution of the City that tailed for the consideration of alternative sites or whatever. In addition finally, the comment I believe was misinterpreted. I was asked the question at a meeting on March 29, which stated that in terms of land use off the site . Not land use to actual location of the site but land use abutting it, whether or not the City would retain control and of course that is fully within the purview of local goverrttent. 1 believe ty answer was misinterpreted, it that, earlier an answer had been provided about the specific station loeation, and who the final decision rests with. In fact the final decision does rest with the County Commission. Rev. Gibson: t didn't hear that. Mr. Lambert: The final decision as to a specific station location does reside with the County Commission. Mr. Plummer: What you are saying, the article was misleading. Mr.tambert: I believe so. Mr.Plummer: We constantly hear complaints that say,'we didn't know about it.' What assurance can you give this commission. Not just to the people in Miami, but you spoke of a May 10th meeting. What extent are you going to notify the people who are directly involved as to this meeting where input is going to be heard? Mr. Lambert; I can give a partial answer, then I would like to have our public involvement director to give perhaps a more comprehensive one. There are notices of course to people who attended previous meetings. We call them on the phone. If they have come to a meeting previously, we have their phone number. We call them and ask them to attend, and tell them the location in advance. There is now as a result of a meeting which you hoard early this month, a policy for running a paid advertisement in at least two newspapers. in advance of the meeting, so the People would be able to know through that method. Then when people attend. there is the ineormal technique which I think may work better than any other, and we ask them to tell their neighbors, and the people they know are interested, when and where ;he meetings will 'be when we announce them to that committee, Uoidentified person: Very good Mike, One thing I wanted to tell this Body, it that last night we had the first orientation meeting,Bach time we move into a new station group to start studying the alternatives, we do start an orientation process to tell people in the community what the process is about and how OW call get involved, We have 414o sent cut a large mailwout to a number of the interested groups like 1004g44 of Women Voters, !Sierra Club, Chambers of Commerce. a 741010 series of C:47 gTrATV4 tO 4ACCUT4ga OW% to attend the Wean or at least furnish 114MOS st? we „:0414 Personally tevt;e mvmtere of that group ;o attend tie Commit We are working presently with a,a.=the Miami 'Herald is going to do, it is my understanding, and I have just been in the interview process, but I think this week end an in the very near future, it's going to be a very large feature article on the process and we are very involved in trying to get people aware of this process, while they can be a part of it and have their gay at the approa priate time. Mr. Plummet: Might I suggest to you a system used by the City of Miami and we have found it to be very worthwhile, and that is that you place a sign tiff idient its site to be able to be read, whieh states that this is a proposed site for development of mass transit, and a eeeting will be held relating to this matter an such and such date, and such and such place. Doesn't cost anything but the price of a sign. Mr. ibert:I think that is certainly one alternative we an look at. Right now there are so many sites that are being evaluated and same of them simply won't work. I would also Consider the confusion .factor that that might mean to the people involved. I think if we an continue to Mork to get maps out and other written material, it might do the job a little better. Rev. Gibson: Let me ask a question. If the people are to be apprised of what probably might happen, how better can they be apprised? You see? If we have a toning hearing on a piece of property, everybody knows because that sign is there. That is what Plummer is talking about. I think if you ate talking about alternative suggestionsthOeople ought to have an opportunity to be part of making the alternative decision. To make it then and call them in, troubles me. Because that is after the fact. Usually most agencies have decided anyhow by the time they call you. Follow me? But if they are there, you see, to be forewarned it to be forearmed Mr.Lambert. That is right, and it is a good suggestion. They have been here in the past. In the Coral Gables meetings we had a very high turnout. We are going to dontinue to work to get people informed and bring them into the process. Rev. Gibson: I am going to make this final comment. You see,when you tell me about Coral Gables, I understand. It is just like if you go into the heart of Coconut Grove,you will find you are in a hornet's nest. But I am talking about 26th Road, 27th Avenue and 37th Avenue and 42nd Avenue. You know you are not dealing with the same kind of people. So that we don't getxhe criticism and the flak, we hope you -- are going to follow Plummer's suggestion"Certainly if I can't get it raised properly here, I will on the last Monday of May when you meet. Mr...Lambert: I think one of Mr. Johnson's concerns of course is, that as in station group 2 we had about 34 sites and we end up with three. Perhaps the solution would be that when we are to the point that we are at with the final possible candidate sites, not just one for a station, but say two, maybe three, at that point it might be a more appropriate time so as not to alarm people unnecessarily. But nevertheless involve them, Mr. Plummer: Based on your projections of today, assuming I am the the :`lass Transit, when will I have the opportunity to ride? 3r. lambert; I believe we are speaking of late 1982 or early 1983. check that. December, 1982. Mr.P.ummer: My birthday is on the 3. That would be a nice present. about five and a half to six year? ;r, lambert Yes that is right. first rider on Let me double You are talking Rev. Gibson; Would you want to tell my fellow commissioners and the Manager something about the looks of that car you are talking about". We,u, at least we who sit on this commission are very sensitive of what Miami Florida looks like. €. Lambert; Yes, sir. I can't speak with true authority on that, in that 1 a not involved in the vehicle selecti.Qn process directly but I can say that we did have a vehicle called the Re46 car,which is similar to ones used in New York, down at rho Gown'; Cc4r0,ouse Mgr a Period of time. 1 disk it is the general toneensgs of those involved that in fi °mil we would be to king abr►ut a v41eta that as m ►ra appropriate ;or the environment we are in. It would probably have more glass than that vehicle did. But in terms of its general appearance, of toumsa, we are talking about a eteel=w ee]e4 arehiele that would be gn a continuously welded rails, so it 401 would not create a great deal of neise, and in fade very little. to would be having leeeet would eay it is a fairly attractive vehicle frankly, but ae 1 said this is a bit out of my bailiwick perhaps. tett. Gibson: I see the director caste in. Mr. Director, i taiae the question for my fellow cammiesioners about the kind of car you are talking about. The one I saw domes near, like that one in tal:t mare, my brother. You know taltimore ie cold country. This is hot country. You wouldn't think i have been up to talti ore. Mt. Plummer: Well, here is the head an Der. Dyer, Metro Dept. of tngineeritgt I art still not quite certain of the question. (dray, the design of the car quite likely would look like, ee Mrs. Cordon: Mr. Dyer pick your mike up, please sir. Dr. Deer: Can you hear better now? The design of the car quite likely Mould look 'Most on the exterior like what the Atlanta ear looks like time. It also could be compared to in terms of the looks, very much that the tart ears in San Francisco look like. We are talking about essential a car that would have full air conditioning. It would have very large windows, very easy views, tinted glass, obviously because of the sun. We don't know the color scheme Bret but obviously it would either be stainless steel or aluminum exterior or painted either white, yellow or some light color that would be sun reflective. i'7e are talking about one that would be very attractive,look on the outside. The interior, you can probably equate it best of what the interior of a modern airplane would look like. A D-C9, 727, or something like that. The width of the car is about 10 f t, easily handling two bench seats on each side. We haven't gotten far enough to the point of determining all of the interior, but if you have ridden, or been inside any of the new Blue Dash buses or Orange Streak buses you know they have padded seats, they have carpet and high quality airconditioning. That is the type interior we are talking about. The exact configuration of the interior, the exact looks of the exterior, are not yet by any means completed. That is certainly several months away if not up to a year. The question of Baltimore was brought up yesterday, or Monday, in the policy council, it was nothing other than an indication that we believe from our view that substantial dollar savings will accrue, if we are able to accelerate the design program on the vehicles by 6 or 8 months. That's what an effective big value to us would be. We would be able to place earlier orders, we would be able to place orders that would be a combined order with Baltimore. As was explained at the policy council meeting the other day, the exterior, color, how it fits, and everything could be painted differently in a joint bid with Baltimore. Minor interior changes could be made. Example, seats could, be padded, seats could not be padded, --those kind of things.The big advantage of going with a combination bid is, ---sending out specifications for 220 vehicles as opposed to sending out 2, one in the case of Baltimore of about 54 or 56 vehicles, and the case of Miami of about 170 vehicles. We would save about 8 months. We probably would save 100 thousand dollars or so per car by doing thet.When you multiply that by 170 you are talking about, in the case of Miami maybe a saving of 17 million dollars. That is the big reason why we are proposing to go that route as opposed to doing our own individual design and putting cut specifications and bidding that way, We feel we will lose nothing in terms of joining to gether. We will gain time by about 8 months or so. And secondly we think we will save 2.4 the range of 75 to 100 thousand dollars per ear.I thick you will find Commissioner Ci:^scn we really will have a vere attractive car, one that is pleasing to eye from the outside. one that is very pleasing co ride on from the inside. I think ;you will find they will not be anything lie the old subway cars that you see in New York City and you sec in parts of Chicago. Chicago has ordered about 500 new cars. The new ones look very attractive as well. But the old Ones are not a,s pleensant as you might would like co sae. Is that a fair response to your question sit''. Thank you, U:aidentified.You all have any further geestione right now? If no; we will be back to you in early July as 01= information comes in and the data is refined, 111e c .titens will begin to review this prec0ss beginnieg next week. We will take ep your suggestions about the size. I thought they were excellent and we will he back to you again so if you want to have royal input as tQ the 43oard of County Commissioner, before July 13, you will be able to d© so.I r11arY you for your time and we vil.i see y°u test time, RSV. gibSon; "Than* you ma' amp The 14 YO13 alp. BRIEF DISCUSSION: PROPOSED $25,000,000 tOND ISSUE R ORANGE BOWL (POSTPONED TO 24 PIMI0 THURSDAY, *Haat 1977) Mrs. Oerdinl ritcuie me, Mr. VioeaMayor, Mr. Otassiel I would like to ask the question that, the matter of the 2S million dollar item for the election on June 7, t believe you call that matter for 2 o'elock today. If that ia not the eagle then perhaps you ought to so announce beau at until a couple of minutes ago the Mayor's absenee beeame apparent and t don't know whether he will be here at all today. Rev. Gibson: Vhere is J.t.? I announced earlier as we began, that the Mayor was out of town and would not be here for this meeting. J.L. Mr. Plummert—yes, Fathero--.. Rev.Oibsonthe Mayor suggest to me by telephone that we would not take up the bond issue for the Orange bowl, but 1 thought we ought to all.the four of us are here, is there any objectioa to pestoning that matter.until tomorrow? Mr. Plummer; Father let me make one statement. Very simply, this was a proposal made by the Mayor and I think it would totally unfair if he was not here to speak for or against. t would suggest that Mr. Grassie, tomorrow morning you schedule this for 800 or 8:4S. I don't think it is going to take that long prior to the regular meeting so that it can done first off because 1 understand the essence of time. If you want I will make a motion that this, - Mrs. Gordon; Mr. Plummer if you would not schedule it earlier than the scheduled meeting, some of us have commitments that we have already made to precede the regular meeting. Mr. Plummer: Make it the first item tomorrow moring at 9 o'clock. Mrs. Gordon: It is agreeable with me. I just thought perhaps some people sitting here, might be here specifically to take part in, or listen to the discussion about that particular item. If they are not going to be heard, they should be so informed. Mr. Plummer: I make a motion we postpone it until tomorrow morning as the first item. Rev. Gibson: Do / hear a second? I am sorry, ------ Mr. Grassie: Simply a question. I don't know what the Mayor schedule is in terms of his getting back. My impression is, he may not be back tomorrow morning first thing but later on. I talked to him last night and he was not sure of the time. Rev. Gibson: Let's do it this way. What is wrong with taking it up, the firs item +' at the afternoon meeting? Is that all right? Is that all right will all of you? Call the roll please. A motion to defer the Orange Bowl bond matter was deferred to 2 P.M. on April 28 by a unanimous vote of the commission. (Mayor Fere absent). Mr. Plummer; Nov, Father Gibson let me get to another point, which is two -fold. Looking over this agenda, I am looking towards the last item and pessibly 17 which I think are also important matters and would be wrong to be heard without the Mayor Present. Mrs, Gordon; Are you talking about today s agenda? Mr, Plummer; Yes. Mrs. Gerdon; Item No, Mr, Plummer; No, I eta speaking of Item 17 and S. Rev, Gibbon; Yes. Mr$P14MMef; I don't see I; 45 any rrqblem, but 1thinh he -*toad have the ;lain ef input. en 17 and definitely 94 13, 11 :yr 1 Mr, bavit, Planning Advisory toard: tighteen has been advertised for today, tt could tse dOntiftudd t sure, but it has been advertised for today, It was advertised speeifically fat today several Months ago. Mr, Reboots: Can we take 17 tomorrow? Mr, Plummer: Sures Why net/ I am thinking it would be unfair to the Mayor not to be here for 18. I reali2e if we get a cast Of thOusands, it is unfair tO them also. I don't have tf5 ask the Law bepartment if we want ta defer at know the answer, I at just throwing it out for thought. t at just voiding the opinion that I think it is titifAit to the Mayor not to be here for this particular item. tf you watt to wait until 4 o'clock to make that decision, if people don't show up, e'est la vie. Mrt. Gordon: J.L. t want to give you my thinking on this, sine this was scheduled quite a long time ago and there may be people who taken off from work or have cancelled other appointments they have, which are just as important to them, and the Mayor's absence is his problem, because he eertainly has to take care of his business. t don't think ve should defer 18t don't have any objection to 11 because that won't affect anybody, particularly except the person being appointed, and that could wait. / don't think we should defer No. 18. Mr. Plummer: Rose, you are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. I have fought for that right for you in the past and t would do so again. I just know as one person speaking, I would not want to miss something as crucial as item 1S and especially if you were the Mayor, So I am just expressing an opinion.We can deal with it accordingly. Rev. Gibson: J.L. why don't we wait until 4:00 o'clock and see what happens. Mr. Plummer: Fine, Father. Sir, let me to the best of my ability answer your question as I understand it why he is not here. The answer is he had personal business which took him away from here. Mrs. Gordon: / am going to say something J. L.Let me say I had a lot of personal business Monday too, and I got called 30 minutes before he decided to call a special meeting. My business didn't mean a doggone thing. Mr. Plummer: Rose, I am not arguing the point. Mrs. Gordon:I am arguing a point because you know, it is nice to be considerate and we like to be considerate. Mr. Plummer: Rose if you have a problem with the Mayor, then direct your comments to the Mayor. Mrs. Gordon; I have not problem with the Mayor. The Mayor has his own problems. Rev. Gibson: Can we agree to 4 o'clock? When 4 o'clock comes we will see whether or not we are inconveniencing people, and if we are, okey--------, Mr. Plummer:Mr. Vice -Mayor those comments are out of order. This item has already been deferred. Mr. Fannatto; Mr. Plummer, it is illegal what you are doing. Mr, Plummer: Mr. Fannatto I have asked the Chairman to make a ruling. New, Father I have called this out of order. This thing has been deferred until tomorrow. Mr, Pennattn:You can't do it without an advertised public hearing, M. Plummer: Mr. FallA4ttO : am asktne for a rU.144; of the ca Rev. Gibson; I can only say we have agreed to pestpene the matter until Woll temorrow, mr. P1-4tImor; Ar,d that 1,4 wbon Mr, F4ngatto sho414 p,410 his commohts, %4V, GisCh; Lot mo 7,4417 Pe9P1@ 474 h12-TV T:Pr th0 r4rPo4e of d'i.$14$4#1g ;h@ Ne5a94 9f Cho :5 valion 40;lor "oontis for t Crage 50'4, row M447 Peerle? 1 Azr , rt, I D. Mrs. dordon: Mr. Vice.,Mayar there were acme who t saw who have lett, when you made that atAtment prior, Rev, dion.: They were here and they heard us say 2 o'clock, Ernie all t can say to you., now that those people are gone and they know that ve have postponed it until 2 o'clock. Now, you are here, is there anybody else who is interested in that item? All right, Would you all be kind enough to come back tomorrow at 2 o'clock so you can have your say, Something we hate that they happen the way they do but if you would be kind and gracious enough to some back at 2 o'clock tomorrow, We would be very grateful, and Ernie I promise you, we will give you ail the time. Mr. Ernie rannattot can't be here at 2 o'clock. That isn't the point. It should be an advertised public hearing in the newspapers. That is the lay. And you are not abiding by the law now. Rev. Oibsont Ernie let me say this to you. The people who were here expressly for that purpose, were told and they did not object, You are here, and you object. Now, I am sorry you did not object while they were here. Mr. Pannatto: We didn't have a chance to object. Nobody had a chance to object. Rev. Gibson: Sir, just like you raised your hand and carry on, if you had done that we would have been giad, but I did not know. Mr. Fannattot Mt. Vice -Mayor let me explain what took place. There was a :meting advertised.There was supposed to be a meeting. t don't think it vas an advertised public meeting today anyway, on the bond issue which of course legally you have to do that,before they can make recommendations to vote on the bond issue, But 1 made plans yesterday because you said you were going to have the meeting this morning, for tomorrow. Now, I have made a 2 o'clock appointment and / can't be here. I happen to be president of Taxpayers League of Miami and Dade County, and I want to tell you something, I strenuously object to this. This whole thing is not right. It is not sound, it is not financially feasible, and I won't have the chance to epxress myself because I will be out of town. Rev. Gibson: Ernie, let me do this. Let me put it this way. If you came to the church where I make my living and you had an objection, and that Vestry was in session as we are. You know what I would do? I would hear you right then and I would have the record to reflect your objection. Mr. Fannatto: Why don't you hear me right now then? Rev. Gibson: Look, I believe in majority rule. If no other commissioner objects to what I have said, I put Ernie on right now. Where is the Manager? We don't need him. Ernie, you have the day. Mr. Fannatto:Thank you.Vice-Mayor and members of the Commission, Ernie Fannatto is my name, I am president of the Taxpayers League of Miami and Dade County. I read the article in the paper which says there is going to be a proposal put before the people for a 25 million dollar bond issue, either to build a new stadium or make improvements to the Orange Bowl. Let me say right straight,you don't have a contract for a football team to be put in that stadium that you are talking about building. You don't have contracts of any kind so what are you spending money for? You are going to build a stadium you may not have anybody to put in there. This to me is the worst business.and these are hard times, And you are !list Wasting your time trying to put an issue like this on the ballot, when it is so vague, indefinite and if you did build a new stadium, has Mr, Robbie given you a guarantee he wiii give you a long contract? Why isn't he here today before vote? He isn't here,ia he? Rev. Gibson: No, sir. M. Fannatto;Suppose you vote to put the proposal,Do you think they are going to vote for a 25 million stadium? W41, lot vs tell you something* That is not financiallY feasible end not fair co the taxpayers. Then you also SAY you don't now where you are going to build it, Well. now look. This is not risht, Thia is poor business, snd the people are Joe; thinktag. 1 had a lot of people tall ms, They said trnie 13 T. TS if you should be there. 1 said t going to be there. You don't know where you ate going td build the stadium, you don't have a contract with the Dolphins. if you build a stadium for a fooebaUU. teats and that is the Only tedh that can pay far a 2S million dollar stadium, you don't know where you are going is build it, you know what people think? Oh, well, maybe it is a real estate deal. YOU don't know what people ate thinking. people have to know where it is going to be built, how much it is going to post, if you have a contract, who is going to use it, is it going to pay or not pay. tet tie just tell you something. t want to go on record as saying, this should be an advertised public hearing because everybody in this community should know it in large, readable print. I disagree to it. I think it is one the worst things that could happen in this community. Because It is noe financially feasible, and not fair to the taxpayers, with hard* times. There are thousands of people out of work and you turn around and to things like this here. t want to tell you, that's sothe of the reasons people give commissioners a vote of no*confidence. t don't think you people want that. So if you don't want it, change your Note and abide by the wishes of the people. If you want to be business, act business. Bev. Gibson: All right, thank you very much. Mr. Plummer: Just so the record would be clear Father, if anything I should have encouraged Ernie to speak because of those present 1 was the only one that voted against the issue. And second of all Ernie for your edification, and maybe some other people there is no contract yet with the Dolphins. None. Okay? Mrs. Gordon: and for the record, I was not present Ernie. I didn't vote at all. Mt. Plu:mner:I clearly stated, 'of those present.' Mrs. Gordon: Present at that meeting. I am sorry. Mr. Fannatto: That is what I am saying. You want to put on the ballot for the people to vote for a 25 million dollar stadium and you haven't got a contract with the Dolphins. Mr. Plummer: Ernie you don't have to sell me. I voted against it. Rev. Gibson: Sir, you won't be here tomorrow. Is that it? Okay. We will hear you. Give your name and address please. Mr. Aurestides Jacobs: My name is Aurestides Jacobs of 3638 Avocado Avenue, Coconut Grove, zip code 33133, phone No. 448-6502. I called to Miami.Herald on Monday's story. Ferre said the meeting was called quickly because all items placed on the June 7th ballot must be presented to the Metro elections division approximately 45 days before the people actually go to the polls. Is there a law written 'approximately' or exactly? Do any of you know. Can any of you answer this question? Mr. Plummer: Had you been here sir, you would have heard the ,.City Attorney make the ruling. Mt. Jacobs: I an sorry, I called and they told me 2 o'clock was the meeting and that is when I showed up. :".r.Plu: er: Mr. Know for his edification why don't you restate what you did the other day. Mr. Knox; I w::11 respond to your inquiry about the 45 days,This 45 day requiement is an administrative requirement of the Dade County election commission so they have the property amount of time to prepare the ballot. They have indicated to us if we get the question, get the city commission votes to place the question upon: the ballot, ;hat we have some additional time within which to give it to them so they may prepare for the June 7th a+eccion. '.'!r Jucobs if you take the calendar and you count APri.l to June 7, ax0 you count April 25 and June 7th you only hav4 44 days .: . KAQX1 Did you understana my statement. Cry. My star eat was, that t111,e f4 4At 4-AY 4A4 of s'4rt4dtC;t74141 €eg41T4M0 #t, nor :!.ss tt 4 14V, they ; s A 4dMiAtS= � SR £L' b3.ve regulation o! the Dade County election oo? fission, 4nd tS -t have in !i`Cat a^d =� =s that we are A4:; bound 1py ch t 4, O4ys so Icng 4§ ;Te ge tie q`ae' ;;Qn _p 0.4m ,.e se in time for them to have it placed on the ballot. Mt. Jacobi: So it is flexible to whatever the Elections CMmission might think? Mt. Knox: Well it is flexible within the 'context of what the Election CoMMidsion has to do to have the matter placed on the ballot. Mr. Jacobs:All right. Thank you. Mts. Gordon:That is a most interesting point George because when Y got my 30 minutes or less notice on Monday, it was a life of death, door -die, immediate decision that had to be made. And now it is flexible. 1 am not blaming you sir. 1 am simply accepting what you just said.Eut I am very dubious about the entire process that brought about that meeting on Monday. Mt Plummer: I am even more dubious of hov a reporter knew about it on Friday and I didn't know about it until Monday morning. Mrs. Gordon: You are kidding. Mr. Plummer: 1 accept for face value. Rev. Gibson: Let*s go on to the agenda ,the 2 o'clock item. SECOND READING ORDINANCE: CHANGE ZONE CLASSIFICATION FROM C-1 AND R-4 TO G-U - 900-960 S,W. 1ST STREET. Mr. Plummer: rather, you offered it before. Rev. Gibson: Yes. Mr. Plummer: I'll offer it this time since you are chairing the meeting. Rev. Gibson: Any discussion? Mr. Knox, City Attorney read the ordinance by title. Mrs. Gordon: Can we have discussion on that? I would like to get some answers. Mc. Whipple, with regard to the G-U classification, are there any different codes requirements, --code compliance requirements,than there would be in C-1 and/or R-4? Mr. Whipple: The G-U zoning district suggests strongly that any use that is placed in the district basically conform to either the zoning dis tricts around the G-U district or that the G-U district might have replaced. So basically the intent is to provide and go along with all existing codes and ordinances just as anyone else would. Mrs. Gordon: There is no greater flexibility than of compliance to code. Mr. Whipple: Yes. Mrs. Gordon:My statement is correct? In other words, compliance must be exactly as if it were the other original. zoning. Mr. Whipple; On the most part yes, Commissioner. The exceptions would be duly noted during the process of the application. Here we were dealing with existing structures, so those structures stayed. The proposals for the additional housing and the parking structure, are proposed to meet the cede requirements. :is, Gordon: The conversion of the uses under the existing zoning and the proposed zoning, the code compliance would not change. The sage amount of requirements to meet the specifications of the code would he adhered to. Is that correct? Mr. Davis Of the building code ma'am? Mrs. Gordon; 'i;e, ya;king, Zvery king. Mr, Davis: 'Yes, ma'am, t o e ,P 4* �t AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED - AN ORDINANCE AMLIDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OP MIAMI, BY NAMING THE ZONING MASSIPICAT/ON OF LOTS 1 TARU 7 AND 14 THRU 20, BLOCK K, RIVERVIEW (-43) BEING APPROXIMATELY 900-560 S.W. 1ST STREET, FROM C-1 (LOCAL COMMERCIAL) AND R-4 (MEDILN DENSITY MULT/PLE) TO GU (GOVERNMLITAL USE); AND BY MAKING THE NECESSARY CHANGES IN THE ZONING DISTRICT MAP MADE A PART OF THE SAID ORDINANCE NO. 6871, BY REFERENCE AND DESCRIPTION IN ARTICLE III, SECT/ON 2 THEREOF; BY REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS, OR PARTS THEREOF' tN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of March 23, 1977was taken up for its second and final reading by title and adoption. On motion of Commissioner Plummer, seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the Ordinance was thereupon given its second and final reading by title and passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES:Mr. Plummer, Mr, Reboso, Mrs. Gordon and Vice -Mayor Gibson. NOES: None. ABSENT: Mayor Ferre. The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and announced that copies were available to the members of the City Commission and to the public. Said ordinance was designated Ordinance No. 8635. 4. SECCND READING ORDINANCE: AMEND ZONING ORDINANCE TO INCREASE PERCENTAGE OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES FOR COMPACT CARS, LOW INCOME AND ELDERLY HOUSING. AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED - AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI, BY '.ENDING ARTICLE OFF-STREET PARKING AND LOADING,BY REVISING SECTION 2, SUB -SECTION (2) TO CHANGE THE MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE OF REQPIRED PARKING SPACES ALLOWED FOR COMPACT CARS, AND BY ADDING NEW SUBSECTIONS (2A) AND (2.11) TO SECTION 4 TO ESTABLISH MINIMUM OFF-STREET PARKING SPACE REQUIRMENTS FOR HOUSING FOR LOW-INCOME FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS AND HOUSING FOR THE ELDERLY; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT INSOFAR AS TREY ARE IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of March 22, 1977was taken up for its second and final reading by title and adoption. On motion of Commissioner Plummer, seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the Ordinance was thereupon given its second and final reading by title and passed and adopted by the following vote; AYES; Mr, Plummer, Mr, Reboso, Nrs. Gordon and Vice -Mayor Gibson NOES; None, 4DSENT; Mayor Ferro. The City Attorney read the ordinance 1=9 the public record and announced that copies were available to the members Pi the City COMMissiO4 and to the public. $aid ordinance Isms deaWated Ordinance No, $6”, t7' ‘0% rt• 5, SECOND READING ORDINANCE: AmEND Ctrs Co DE ESTABLISH STANDARDS FOR ABSENCES OF MEMBERS OF PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND ZONING BOARD, AN ORDINANCE ENT/TLED- AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 62-22 OP THE Ctl? CODE ENTITLED "Rt4OVAL" CONCERNING REMaVAL OF MEMBERS AND ALTERNATE MEMBERS OP THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND ZONING BOARD BY DELETING SUB -SECTION B THEREOF AND BY ADDING A NEW SUBSECTION B TO FUME A POINT SYSTEM VOR ABSENCES AND TARDINESS OF MEMBERS AND ALTERNATE MEMBERS; REPEALLIG ALL ORD/NANCES, CODE SECTIONS OR PARTS TREREOP IN CONPLICT INSOFAR AS THE/ ARE IN CON- FLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of March 23, 1977 was taken up for its second and final reading by title and adoption. On motion of Commissioner Plummer, seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the Ordinance was thereupon given its second and final reading by title and passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Plummer, Mr. Reboso, Mrs, Gordon and Vice -Mayor Gibson. NOES: None. ABSENT: Mayor Ferre. The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and announced that copies were available to the members of the City Commission and to the public. Said ordinance was designated Ordinance No. 8637. 6, SECOM READING ORDINANCE: AMEND ZONING ORDINANCE TO PERMIT AUTO SALES IN C-1, AS A CONDITIONAL USE. AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED - AN ORDINANCE AMEND= ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORINDNANCE OF THE CITY OF MI.MI, BY ADDING A NEW SUBSECTION (33) (h) TO SECTION 1, ARTICLE XII LOCAL COM- MERCIAL, C-1 DISTRICT, TO ALLOW AUTO SERVICING WITH LIMITA- TIONS AS A CONDITIONAL USE, IN CONJUNCTION WITH AUTOMOBILE SALES AND DISPLAY; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS, OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABrLITY PROVISION Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of March 23, 1977was taken up for its second and final reading by title and adoption. Cn motion of Commissioner Plummer, seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the Ordinance was thereupon given its second and final reading by title and passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Mr, Plummer, Mr. Reboso, Mrs. Gordon and Vice -Mayor Gibson. NOES; None, ABSENT: Mayor Ferro, The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and announced that copies were available co the members of the City Commission and to the public. Said ordinance Was desigented Crdinance No. We, - 7 SEC' O READING ORDINANCE: AMEND ZONING ORDINANCE a Revise SIGN REGULATIONS IN CAl AN ORDINANCE LITITLMD AN ORD/NANCE AML4DING ORDINANCE 68710 Tat COMPRERMSTVE ZONING ORDINANCE OP Tat CITY OP MIAMI, IV DEUTING "Cale ram TUE TITLE OF SECTION 4, ARTICLE =IV a SIGNS; AM tY ADDING A NM SECTION 4.1 TO ARTICLE XXIV TO PROVIDE FOR SIGNS IN TRE "Cate DISTRICT; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES CODE SECTIONS, OR PARTS THEREOP IN COM/CT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABIL/TY PROVISION Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of March n, 1077 was taken up for its second and final reading by title and adoption. On motion of Commissioner Plummer, seconded by Commissioner Reboto, the Ordinance as thereupon given its second and final reading by title and passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Reboso, Mrs. Gordon, Mr. Plummer and Vie -Mayor Gibson. NOES: None. ABSENT: Mayor Vette. The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and announced that copies were available to the members of the City CoMMisSitni and to the public. Said ordinance was designated Ordinance No. 8639. 8, SECOND READING ORDINANCE: REVISE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT PROVISIONS TO PROVIDE "NO CONTINUANCE" OF ADULT ENTERTAINMENT IF SUCH IS DISCONTINUED OR ABANDONED. Vice -Mayor Gibson: Would you like to speak to this? Mrs. Grace Rockefeller: Mr. Vice -Mayor and members of the Commission, I am Grace Rockefeller. I live at 814 N.E. 71st Street. I am president of the Northeast Improvement Association, I am president of the Northeast Taxpayers Association. I am appearing here today as a private citizen. The Mayor isn't here but I want to thank the Mayor and those members of this commission that voted to approve our adult entertainment ordinance. This is a very good ordinance and it is very long overdue. We have been working. We have had the cooperation of the Mayor. He has done en outstanding job in helping us.This Commission, Mr. Grassie, our Legal Department, we have the State Attorney's office involved now, and throuSh the division of hotels and motels, we have taken 9 motels before the State Division for the purpose of revoking their licenses. We have closed a number of them down without benefit of appeal. Some of them, the licenses have been revoked, others are being revoked on May 2nd. This 'grandfather' clause that we are talking about here today, it is very vital that this ordinance be passed. The police are doing an outstanding job. We couldn't ask for more cooperation of the police department than they are giving os.But if this ordinance is approved today, once one of these porno -movies, book stores or theaters are closed down for one day fer any perpose, then they would have to go under the new ordinance. I don't know how many of you, or tf, any of you were fortunate enough to watch the special on T.7, lcs; Friday night,--,'Sen for Sale.' It highlighated TIM44 Square which was the Pride and JoY of New York at one ttMe ,it; li%e Biscayne Boulevard .V44 the pride and joy of the City of Miami. It also highlighted Boston. I; showed how the crime had moved in, the prostitution ;he porno book stores, he massage parlors, the escort services, the druge, and everYthing, and .514,! huge, buildings, that it had terrific merchants in at had e-411 4Q141$ a wonderful business, had moved out. Those buildtngs have been fore.. se4 on, Ivery tl.m4 4 legolte business mcve Pur 0;41.144 he couldn't do busireg,a in a sicuetton like that, another porno operation opened up, This cuts 4own the revenue of ;ho Stat? of New Yorkr, ;re City ct rOarPA, 7;W; :LUC he$e Cit7 Qf ;14.44. Now ,t we ae tlwge ard;'41,04teos passed ;hat we have asked, we will be back WPPrTPW Q4 erecher ono. ;47 those ordinances are passed as we are ita tIc; reoueeting them to be passe, vil.i nut down oft the amount of polite services taken to regulate these places, to watch over them, to try to keep order. tt will bring;the people in the Not. area, emeemare all uppetimisdle Maas peopleteee we are all willing and able to pay our fair ehpre of tapes. But there are homes out there far sale that have been or sale for over a year. When your house assessed at 40,SO or 60 thousand dollars, and you are offered 20 for it, you just can't pay that kind of tares. So we have all gone and applied for lower property taxes, end we have received it. Now, there is nothing that would make us happier than if our horses went beck up. People will not tape into this area'beeausa of the high Crime rate. So we are pleading with you, the whole Northeast area, the merchants, the property owners and all, that you do away with this 6 menthe grandfather clause, so that our other oroinanee is nov in force. It is now law. And if you do away with this, the minute they are e1oaed down, they will have to go out under the other ordinance. Mile 1 am here, if I may, i had a meeting a eouple of weeks ago with Mr. Iaox, and Mr. Alvarez and To Conners of the Legal Department and the ordinance you have on the books now regarding these porno places, like book stores and massage parlors, and movies, your ordinance states that one arrest and conviction is grounds to revoke these licenses. The police department have compiled records, way high, where they have numerous arrests and convictions on all of these places. And what they are doing now, they are compiling these records to bring to the City manager the City Attorney and get that on the agenda to revoke these licenses. Put those people out of business. They have all kinds of money. Attorney fees don't mean a thing to them. They have all kinds of money. They can make it back in a week, whatever they pay for the highest priced attorney they have. When we were discussing this it Mr. Rnox's office, I know you had one on the agenda for revocation of license for these mini movies downtown. It was removed from the agenda. That same man has opened up out in our area, the biggest place in the whole area, porno movies and porno books. Re has been arrested 4 or 5 times since he has moved out there, into this area, about two months ago. Mr. Knox Made the remark that you do have to be careful for the 1st amendment. I think that your highest opinion that you can get as I explained to Mr. Itnox, is the U.S. Supreme Court. Now, the case with California vs. Miller in 1973, the Supreme Cotirt said then that the citizens of a community, along with their city officials could determine what is obscene, what is hard-core pornography, what is prostitution and deal with it accordingly. In 1976, of the U.S. Supreme Court vs. Detroit Michigan, Detroit Michigan was also granted a favorable opinion by the U.S. Supreme Court and in handing down that opinion, they made the remark that they were handing the municipalities, the counties and the state, the tools of which to handle this, in any way they saw fit, in order to regain the character and economy of their area. So we are really urging you to pass this ordinance and I thank you very much. AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED - AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE COMPREHEISIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF MAIXI, BY ADD LIG A NEW SUB- SECTION (5) TO SECTION 44, ARTICLE IV GENERAL PROVISIONS, TO PROVIDE THAT NO REGULATED USE SHALL RESUME OPERATION, ONCE DISCONTINUED OR ABANDONED, UNTIL IT MEETS THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 44 AND OTHER APPLICABLE. REGULATIONS OF'THE ZONING ORDINANCE; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS, OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION Passed on its first reeding by titre at the meeting of :arch 23. 1977 was taken up far its second and find reading by title and adoption. On motion of Commissioner Plummer, seconded by Commissioner Reboso , the Ordinance Was thereupon given its second and final reading by titre and passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES;Mr. Reboso, Mrs. Gordon, Mr. Plummer and Vice -Mayor Gibson, NOES; None. ABSENT; Mayor Ferro. The City Attorney reed the ordinance tata the public record and announced that copies were available to the members of the City Commiesion and to the public. Said ordinance was designated Ordinance No. 8640. PROPOSED Fi fi READING animal iGE GMONTH EXPIRATION 'LIMITATION FOR VARIANCES •COMITIONAL USES TO 2 ram, GERM TO MAY IL ISM Rev, Gibson: All right. No, 8. Mr, Mutter: t Do you want a lotion? I Meve to deny. t sure yoke everybody up didn't I? It is proposed to change the approval of variance from 6 months which has been the past rule to two years. I think it is relaxing the thing beyond. It is taking and eroding away from tote of the Control that this city has had, I feel the city should retain that eotttrol. It is a very simple item, as we have theft here on the agenda, to renew it for an additional six months if necessary, that I tight, if I can be so pointed to remind Mrs. Gordon of 'Yacht Harbor, the problems that we had down here, if we didn't nave that six totths, they would have built without any modifications or any control frofn this Commission. I think it is just an idea that it is routinely handled. Surely if a tan stands before this commission, does not teen what he says by the virtue of, --he is ready to build attd wants to build, then let him come in when he is ready. Not when he thinks he is ready. Mrs. Gordon:I second the tnotion. Mr. Bob Davis: I might explain the staff' s position on this Mr. Vice - Mayor. Mr. Reboso: I want to hear you. Mt. Davis: The reason that this was considered by the administration in the first place, for your adoption was to simplify the ccmmission's agendas, because never (as long as this law has been in effect, since January 1974, and I think before then) has there been an occasion when this has been denied, when an extension has been denied. Mr. Plumper: You have a very poor memory. Mr. Davis: I certainly do, if I don't remember it. 1r. Plummer: How about 3rd Street and the Boulevard. Mr. Davis: I don't remember it. Mr. Plummer:How about 35th Street and 6th Avenue? Mr. Whipple: Mr. Plummer, wern't those petitions that did have time limits attached to the Mr. Plummer: When this commission found out they hadn't done what we told them, we said ha, ha. :L. Davis: But this was in a different context commission, :".r. Plummer: It is the same thine Bob. If you are trying, and I am one that will, wholeheartedly back you and the administration to try to :educe agendas. You don't have to put them on as individual items, You can put them all on one agenda, under one item, and we can appreve them or disapprove them If need be then break the apart, But I think its control that this commission shcu14 keep. It is just that simple, Mrs, Gordon; On discussion I would simply say in agreement with Mr, Pluzmer's opinion that two years is a rung tine for someone to be hanging in limbo. I egree the; if they tart produce the product they are looking to produce within the d nvnths, they can come back. And if ties haven't charged and conditions haven't changed end their Plats haven't a aneed, then they will met renewed. Mr. Grassie; t wader Gommissiene€ if it would help any if the staff would do of enelesis of what has heepened on tine last WO or these years of thoaa, $imP Y s+ that yp': will have the tans in front of :.ou and yen can doctde v atevet ; eu want, You may aimoly wait tQ table this at this time, fr, Pluzer; I have ta Qb entione. thOUghts yir. 4 rass i.e are item sing to eh ge but if you ask me for time to think about it, I will be tors than happy to withdraw my motion and make it a motion of deferral, to afford you that opportunity. Mr. Grassie:t don't know what all of the reasons behind the recommendation might be. do I thought you might want to know. Mrs. Gordon: Why don't you tell us now? Mr. Grassier that t am saying is / do not know all of the statistical background be- hind the recommendation and / thought that maybe you would want to know and might help everybody. Mr. Plummer: t withdraw my motion and take a motion of deferral upon request of the City Manager. Mrs. Gordon: t will go along with the deferment, but 1 still don't think it is a proper item and t will vote against it anyway. But 1 am willing to defer it. Rev Gibson: The motion to defer takes precedent. Mr. Plummer: I withdrew the other motion. Rev. Gibson: Fine. Call the roll. t am sorry sir. Mr. John McDermott: Mr. Vice -Mayor and Commissioner, the reason I came up here and if I could put a little input into this, originally the department came up when they were revising this part of the ordinance, and making the conditional use and the variances completely open-ended, where there would be no time limit or restriction whatsoever on them. I came up here to the meeting, and discussed it with the Planning Board, and we sat down and decided that yes, there has to be a time limit. And we discussed this, and we come up with the two year which as you say right now seems to be too long, and t do not disagree with you. But the original reason that we came up here speaking against this is because there was no time limit whatever put on it when it first came from the Planning Department, which we felt was absolutely wrong. There should be a time limit. Whether or not you want to defer and keep the six months, that is your prerogative. But I just wanted to give you a little background into this particular, ---- Mr. Plummer: Let me give you just one other thing which was not said here today. I can recall in my 7 years or 12 years with the Zoning Board, rules change and boy, let me tell you something, those people that were granted for 6 months come in here screaming after that 6th month and say you changed the rules after I got my variance. Please don't punish me. Don't put me down. I tell you, this will eliminate that problem. You got a 6 months rule, you got a 6 months rule. Rules change, they are not going to change in 6 months. Unfortunately we are not that fast around here. So 6 months they are still playing the same rules and ballgame as far as I am concerned. A motion to defer the matter to May 13 was passed and adopted by a unanimous vote of the Commission. (Mayor Ferre absent.) Rev. Gibson: Sir, I am sorry, we need your name and address. Mr. John McDermott; John McDermott, 2850 S.W. 22nd Ave, REv, Gibson; Thank you. Marilyn Reed; May I ask a question? Did you Not take a vote on this? Rev, Gibson: No, no. We deferred it. Ms. Reed; I have appeared on this i0040 before and I 444 very concerned about YOU have deterred it. It has to come beck again. I like your motion MT. Plummer, Ms, Plummer; Deferred at the request of the administration' Ma. Reed; I like your motion Mr. Plummer* r. Plummer: I am glad you like my motion. 21, Ma. Reed: I served on the Advisory Committee. I aM Marilyn Reed from Coconut Grove, and 1 served on the Advisory Committee that set up the Planning and Zoning Board as it is now, and the toning ordinandes, We spent a lot of time getting something very good. And I see this deteriorating by this sort of thing. I don't want to see this. I think what we set up was excellent. And 1 believe in review. They get these variances and conditional uses any way. That is not the point. The point is to bring it back for review periodically. Tunes change. And I like your motion. Even though we did work out this compromise with the Planning Department because we felt this would be the only way We could go. When would this come bank fora hearing? Davis:Whenever the Commission would like. Mr. Grassier At your next Planning and Zoning meeting. Mr. Plummer: Why don't you take this lady's name and phone number and so notify her, since it is only one. Ms. Reed: I am on the agenda anyway, so I will get a notice. Rev. Gibson: :ma'am, we would like to establish the fact we are going to take this matter up at time certain so the Staff will know we are not going to fool around here a thousand years, At the next zoning meeting this Tatter will come up. That is what we are saying. Ms. Reed: We have been here to workshops, planning meetings and now this, and I have to take off work to come down here. Rev. Gibson: Staff, at the next meeting this matter will ccme up. Ma'am, so you know before you leave, next meeting it will be on. Ms. Reed: Thank you very much. Rev. Gibson: We have already called the roll. 10. FIRST READING ORDINANCE: CHANGE ZONING CLASSIFICATION FROM R-C TO C-1 - 100 N.E. 84TH STREET. :_r. Davis: Item „ 10 is an application by Mr. A.L. Weinberg to change the zoning at 100 N.E. 84 Street from R-C to R-1. The Planning Department recommended denial, the Zoning Board recommended the item. There was an objector at the meeting who also had filed his objection by mail. Unidentified person: I don't rembmer an objector at the meeting. I remember there were several people who spoke in favor of it at the Zoning Board meeting, and there was a list of people who had written in in favor of it. I don't remember there being a verbal objector at the meeting. That I do not recall. Mr. Davis: Evidently he changed his mind durning the meeting, I was just reminded Mr. Gars. Unidentified person: Well the gentleman who at the meeting spoke in favor. If he decided to object, he must have done it after the meeting, But this says there was an objection at the Zoning Board meeting. There was no such objector. ".r, Davis: It is a techincal thing. 5ut if you remember at the beginning of the hearing Mr. Gars, we asked for those who objected to the item. Mr. Gars; Yes. Mr. Davie; One man raised his hand. Mrs. Gordon; re you the appiitantp ..r, Irwin Gars; / a;a the attorney for the applicant. Mrs, Gorden. ¢ was at both Meetings, and as I moll nobody ob.jtozod, Mr. OaVts; Thera was 412 Ob40C;Or #r. g474. Mr.Oaviati assume he wan the one who wrote ins We didn't get his name at +the meeting of mired. Mr. gars: He never spoke at the meeting. Mr. Davis: There was a name here, Chamberlain. The address is 8307 N.E. Miami Ct. Rev. Gibson: All right. Your name and address for the record. 4r. Irwin Gars: My name is Irwin Gars, 3550 Biscayne Boulevard. I at an attorney and I filed the petition on behalf of the applicant, Mr. Weinberg. We were before the Zoning Board on the first hearing and at the first hearing the Zoning Board asked for a deferral beeause they wanted to study the actual area and after coding back before the Zoning Board, the Zoning Board voted in favor of this. And in addition to myself appearing, there were several people in the audience who spoke in favor of this change, tf you could address your self to the picture of the area, you will notice that this yellow parcel is the only parcel in the entire 3-square-block area that is not zoned C-I. Going between 84th and 79th Street, between,(t believe that is 2nd Avenue) and between N.R. 1st Avenue and N. Miami Avenue, everything in that area except for this one corner, every single parcel is Zoned C-1. Now, what has happened is, across the street, where it is zoned RC, on the north, on 84th, t don't know how many of you have been out there lately, but the Telephone Company built a massive station there which is basically not an R C zoning, but I understand that utility companies have an exemption from the RAC zoning, so they were able to do without a zoning change. And immediately east of the property is the post office. So we have the post office immediately east of us and the telephone company immediately north of us and for some reason this line that is R-C was drawn to cut off this one corner lot of the entire area, of this entire square area. And I believe that was>the basis upon which the Zoning Board,---- Mrs. Gordon: Could I ask a question? First let me know if there is anyone here in objection. No. Okay. Can I ask you what your client wants to put on here that he needs a C-1. Mr. Gars: Yes. My client is in the jewelry business and he bought the building to the jewelry business in. He found out after he bought the building that he can't put a jewelry business in the building with^ut changing from R-C to C-1. And we made this known to the gentleman there and they came out and they said that the business that he would have in the building would be illegal in R-C but would be legal in C-1. put Mrs. Gordon:Incredible. I move approval. Mr. Plummer: I'll tell you what is incredible to me. And I make this statnent again, here we should be helping people in business, encouraging people to keep their businesses in our city, and I see a lot of things like this and, I tell you truthfully, I didn't go see it, but if I understand him correctly, lot 14 which is just to the north of him, is now a massive structure of Southern Bell. What in the hell is a jewelry shops going to do damage to Southern Bell? Thank you mother-in-law, father-in-law. Okay, here, now that tells me exactly. I tell you, I realize that things are in a book and the book says this and the book says that. But if that is what we are going to operate under, chat kind of theory, without flexibility, you don't need anybody up here, ;you don't need a Zoning Board, you don't need a Planning Department. t am just really, — in philosophy, -----I don't know the name of your client and it is immaterial but it gust seems lake to me, that instead of breaking out backs to discourage people, we should be breaking our backs to discourage people, we should be breaking our backs to encourage people. And I second the motion, Rev, Gibson Discussion' Yes, ma'am. All right. Ms. Lauraine Dunn:I am Lauraine Dunn, 130 LB, 82nd Street. I am wearing two hats today. I am going to speak in behalf of the Little diver Commerce 41440ociatioa as well as myself, because 1 ar s business person in the area. I also was part of the study that ;be Alarming Depa€gent made of the U-ittle liver Business Area, of the toning cha ges that were recommended to be applied in that area, I mush say as I have seia all along, that that street, N.C, 84th Street, from :Miami Avenue to N.E,'2nd Avenue should be C4. The intervening streets between 84 and 82nd, I can understand an R-C toning applied to, 1 think that is germane and rightbut 84th Street is strictly commercial.it's a post efxi;e, it's a mayor overseas telephone T- Asp, , cperatiotls stand, it0t a P'irst federal Savings and toot, oft the other corner is an aid rood Pair estabiishmett, there are sate real estate firms and things of that sort on that street, and t firmly support this change, Thank you, Mr. Grassier Mr. VieeMayor, since apparently on the record there it a teeommendation against this by the Planning Department, t think that in fairness to you, you ought to know why that sort of reemttmendatiot comes out. Mrs. Gordon: We have it here in writing as it differs from what I am reading. Pine. If not, we are just spitting our Wheels. Do you have anything different than what you have t. rittet to us, Mr, Whipple? Mr. Whipple: That is basically the recommendation Commissioner Cordon, but would point out to the satire map that Mr. Plummer was ref erring to, it is true that Southern Bell exists in that position and it is true that the post office exists in that location, but l call your attention to the area to the west and to the south, which has developed t would 052 residential. This was in the study, that was pre- tented to the commission , as was pointed out by the earlier speaker. We feel the commercial toning as it exists in that area, was riot appropriate, and is not appro- priate, therefore we cannot justify oreating additional commercial toting in that area. Mrs. Gordon:I appreciate your comment3 Mr. Whipple and would like the records to reflect that the existing zoning is not totally residential. It is R-C which per- mits certain commercial uses and to classify it in our discussion as being residentia' is fallacious. t would suggest to you, sir, that times change and conditions change, and things have possibly changed from the time you first looked at this area, with regard to the zoning that it has, and I am well acquainted with that area. I a there very frequently and I know that that piece or property we are discussing today certainly will do no harm to this area when it is zoned C-1 instead of R-C. Mr.Whipple:Just for the record, in case I said all residential zoning, I meant to say land use. That is the use of the properties in that area predominately, 95% residential. Mrs. Gordon: The uses that are presently there, but not necessarily the zoning that is on the property. Is that correct? Mr. Whipple: Correct. Mrs. Gordon: Okay. That clarifies the record. AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED: AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI, BY CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF LOTS 11 AND 12, BLOCK 14, LITTLE RIVER GARDENS A" D (6-51) , BEING 100 N.E. 84TH STREET, FROM R-C (RESIDENTIAL ,OFFICE) TO C-L (LOCAL COMMERCIAL); AND BY MAKING THE NECESSARY CHANGESIN THE ZONING DISTRICT MAP MADE A PART Cr THE SAID ORDINANCE NO. 6871 3Y REFERENCZ AND DESCRIPTION IN ARTICLE III, SECTION 2 THEREOF; BY REPEALING ALL 0RDI:'ANCZS, CODE SECTIONS OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT; 'D CONTAINING A SE,:ERLBILI':' PROVISION Was introduced by Commissioner Gordon and seconded by Commissioner Plummer and passed on its firs* reading by tt1e ty the following vote - AYES: Mr, Reboso, Mrs. GcrdQn, 4r. Plummer and ';lee-Navcr Gibson. NOES; None, ABSENT: Mayor farts. The City Attorney read tae erdiatanoe into the public record said =^not:aced that copies were ays table t4 the members of the City Cam- mi,ssiou and to the public, 11. GRANT' PERMISSION TO ESTABLISH HEAVY EOUIMNENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY AT APPROXIMATELY 1300-1400 NA 20TH ST1 ZONED h Red. 015666No 11 Mt. Davis: No. 11 is the application to permit the establishment of a new equipment maintenance facility at approximately 134,1400 N.W. 20th Street, robed government use. Nr.Piumner: I'll move it. bid the applicant pay the fee, Mr.bavis? Mr. Davis: Some how they escaped that. They even got their permit already. Mr. Plummer: That is special privileges. The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 77-351 A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF AN EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY AT APPROXIMATELY 1300-1400 N.W. 20TH STREET, MIAMI MUNICIPAL TRACT (51-84) AND UNPLATTED LAND PER ARTICLE XXI-2 , SECTION 3(1) OF THE CITY OF ML MI COMPREEENS I`VE ZONING ORDINANCE NO. 6871; PENDING FINAL SITE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, FINDING THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THIS USE IS (A) COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING AREA; (B) IN CONFORMITY WITH PLANS; (C) SERVED BY AN ARTERIAL STREET; (D) BE*NEFICIAL TO ADJACENT AREA; (E) GENERALLY IN SCALE WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND (F) ESSENTIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY; PROPERTY ZONED GU (GOVERNMENT USE) (Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file in the Office of the City Clerk.) Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the resolution was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Reboso, Mr. Plummer Mrs. Gordon and Vice -Mayor Gibson NOES: None, ABSENT: Mayor Ferre. ABSTAINING None. • 12, (A) CLOSE ALLEY N.E. 151 H & t 6TH STREETS BETWE 4 I ST CT. AND 2UD AVE. (B) GRANT AIR -RIGHTS ABOVE N.E. 15TH TERR. FOR PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. (BOTH FOR JEFFERSON STORES) Mr. Davis:There's two parts to NO. 12, both -of them by Jefferson Store proposing an addition at their location downtown. In order to facilitate their addition, they need to close the alley lying between V.E. 15th and 16th Streets, between 1st Court and 2nd Avenue. The Plat and Street committee has recommended approval, the Planning Department recommended approval and the 'Zoning Board recommended approval. Mt. Plummer: Are the applicants here? Rev. Gibson; Are you the Jefferson Stone? Any objections. Mrs. Gordon: Lets get them on the record. Zev. Gibson;Please give your name and that is all. Mr. Mark A. F.nenbach; Vice -Mayor and Commissioners, my name ;.S Mark gaenbacb, 1 am Vice-president of the Jefferson Stores here in Miami. My residence is 15518 Braymar Court, Masaai Lakes, Florida. Mr, Allan Fuller; My Name is Allan Fuller, em an attorney for Jeff,: oort Stores. My offices are at 1674+ Meridian Ave. Miami Beach, Rev, Giboons All right, Any objectors? x Mt. Piu mt r; Father Gibson I am going taove i2A but I at glad the representatives are here beeause you know in 12A, really in fact you are getting some property for nothing. You realise that? You understand that? Mrs. Gordon: I think they are going to start paying tares oft non-taxltayittg property. :tr. Flutter; But you are going to becofne owner of title of soMe additional property. Back on 2nd Avenue where you have your parking lot, and I know this is tied ift, I at going to tell you as one individual, I think you need some moire landscaping in that area.I think you could do a better job of the landscaping ofs that bank 1ot.I am lust hoping that this free property you are getting, those few dollars you are going to acquire by ownership, that you spend a few dollars itt improving your property, likewise, improving the city. I'll move 12A. Mrs. Gordenit I second it. :tr. w'hipplet t just want to say Cot c issioner Flutter, the Jefferson people have before us with their preliminary landscaping, in accord with the Zoning Board condition, and 1 believe they are fulfilling your wishes quite adequately. Mt. Plumfner:I am glad to hear that. 11ev. Gibson: Ca11 the roll. The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 77-352 A RESOLUTION CLOSING, VACATING, ABANDONING AND DISCONTINUING THE PUBLIC USE OF TLE ALLEY LYING WITHIN N.E. 15TH AND l6TH STREETS BETwEE r-IST COURT AND 2ND AV 'VE, ALL IN ACCORDANCE WITH 'TLITATIVE PLAT NO. 976-A "JEFFERSON' S ADDITION." (Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file in the Office of the City Clerk.) t'ron being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the resolution was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Plummer, Mr. Reboso, Mrs. Gordon and Vice -Mayor Gibson. NOES: None. ABSENT: Manor Ferre. ABSTAINING: None. Rev. Gibson: Now, B, please, Mr. Plummer: I'll cove S. Mrs. Gordon: I'll. second it, buc I want you to cell me a little bit about this. Mr. Alien Fuller; The bridge, —that is, bridging the store building, we are asking for a bridge on the :ad people from the 2nd floor level into the retail store to the first floor and across Mts. Cordon; up there? parking deck and the main, floor level to move the rather than going down crossing on the loiter level. okay. Fine, You are putting 4 garage ".T, 1,11,14r:'1es, MV4, Cc'; Okay. t second Fv, Q-11;;:en: C411 the roll, *Pet The following resolution vas introduced by Commissioner Plummer, vho moved its adoptions RESOLUTION NO. 77-253 A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ,tEERSON STORES, INC. TO CONSTRUCT AND MAINTAIN A BRIDGE OVER NORTHEAST 1ZTH TERRACE TO CONNECT ITS PROPOSE PARKING CARACE ON THE NORTH SIDE OP SAID STREET AT SOME POINT ABOVE THE SECOND PLOOR TO ITS EXISTING STORE BUILDING ON THE SOUTH StDE OP SAID STEEET,PROVIDING THAT ALL REQUIREMENTS OP THE BUILDING CODE AND THE LAWS OP THE CITY ARE COMPLIED WITH AND AUTHOE.IZINO THE PROPER CITY OPI'ICTALS TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL PERMITS NECESSARY TO CARRY oU'T THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OP THIS RESOLUTION (Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file in the Office of the City Clerk.) Upon being seconded by Commissioner Cordon, the resolution was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Reboso, Mrs. Gordon, Mr. Plummer, Rev. Gibson. NOES: None. ABSENT: Mayor Perre. ABSTAINING: None. 13. PUBLIC HEARING: DRIVERS LICENSE FACILITY AT CENTRAL SHOPPING PLAZA Mt. Robert Davis, Planning Advisory Board: This item is brought back as a matter of discussing your request for the staff to investigate other possible locations for the driver's license bureau, other than at Central Plaza. The reports had been forwarded to you in your package and if you have further questions about them, staff will be glad to answer. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Davis, set the record straight. Because I have been known as the bad guy in this situation. I was the one who suggested that they look at the Orange Bowl. And when the staff came back with a recommendation against it, the matter more or less was dropped. And I was the one who asked that this be placed back on, that this matter not be forgotten, so that is why it is here for review. So let the guys, that have been calling Plummer a bad guy, know that Plummer is not intentionally a bad guy, that it is back here because I requested it back here. Mt. Davis: Yes, sir. Mt. Whipple: As indicated by the reports to this commission, the sites were investigated by the public management people of the city and none of the Orange Bowl or the other recreational sites were recommended because of the need of parking, and the activity would conflict with the activities proposed and that go on in the center. Also pursuant to your request we investigated other sites in the city that were available on the market so to speak, and of course this solution is not viable, and that the shopping center or the driver's license training people do have the lease and unless they were to achieve a lease and a structure virtually for free, they do not feel that move could be made nor could they move at this time toward acquiring a private site. They may work towards this objective as their lease continues, and may go before the legislature, apply for money, select a site, acquire it and build a facility so that at the end of a period of time, a facility could be built. But factually, the fact is that they are not in a position to go out and acquire and build a facility at this time. We reported on each of those sites, The size, we have mentioned them to the Florida State license people and they concur this is still their situation. So, the bottom line, and a long story short, is that a opening is needed, or at least an opening is respectfully requested by the driver's license people. The openings that we would suggest could occur in one of two locations. As the commission may remember, there was a hole knocked in the wall approximately this position, at one time which has since been closed' We do not feel. 'that that s the proper location, but suggest any opening on llt: Street would occur approx- imately in this position, not at the intersection of the street, This recommendation is concurred on traffic wise with the :Dade Coumty Dem of Transportation. The only other alternative for an opening is an opening onto 39tt Avenue, blocking the north and oasterly exit of the teller ,_, n and introducing 44 =it at this point, 1 Now, the shopping center people, and the driver's lioense training people have submitted the list of requirements that they would meet in Cott, unction with opening, that it would be for exit only, that it would be lodked and Chained at the end of the business hours of the drivers license training fadility► They have offered likewise to provide in conjunetion with obtaining an opening, pedestrian openings Lb the neighborhood, just for the sine of pedestrians, They will restridt the site of any opening to that of a passenger vehicle and not a dommertial vehieie, t believe that sets forth the donditions which they feel are minimal and nedeasary in order for the training facility to continue its operation. Mr, Plummer: what is your redotmciendatoti? Mr. Whipple! That an opening be provided either to filth or 39th, tither opening would be acdeptable► Mr. Plummer: That is your recommendation? Mr. Plummier Let me ask one Other question.Maybe you can't answer it, Dick, When does your lease expire at this present iodation? Mr. Whipple: Approximately 7 years. Mr. Plummer: From now? Mr. Whipple: Yes,sir. Rev. Gibson: Any objectors? Mr. Matto Lefredo: My name is Marco Lefredo. 1 tame as a witness. I used to live in Grapeland Heights, I now live it N. Miami. This whole plot was originally; a residential plot. At the insistence of the West rlagler Dog Track, that corporation at the time, ---a final solution was made where they made promises and the City also made promises to back up the residents. The residents have been down here numerous times and those promises have been eroded, from the 50 ft. landscaping around there, and the 200 ft. setback behind the walls, you all know what we have. I was asked to come down because I keep in touch with my old neighbors, and because some of them are here, and because they are concerned, and I think with the integrity of the neighborhood, and also the good name of the City of Miami, and their promises. You have the promises in the packet. As a flatter of fact, you revitalized the promise a couple of years ago. The llths Street entrance is the last bastion that the residents have there. It should be maintained. I think you promised to maintain it. I think your City Attorney will tell you that it is not a hardship to go make a 10 year lease and then ask to change the conditions on which you made the lease. I don't know the Florida Highway Patrol or any of the people in it except I get tickets from time to time, but they are like any other organization. As I understand it they have a 10 year lease, and they have been there 3 years. Now they come up and want another opening. They have enough clout up there, and in Dade County to get a traffic light or some other alternative than to bust into the residential area on 9th, the last wall that people have there. Especially with people who are learning how to drive. I was here at the time you made the profuse and chat is why I am here today. And / think you ought to keep your promise. :is. Townsend Gresham: My name is Townsend Gresham, and I live on N.W. 39th Avenue directly across from the entrance to the bank teller windows, and I think I am more affected than anybody here. The traffic at that point is terrible. I have put up a 'no parking' sign on my driveway in order to get into my own property, and that is frequently blocked. The traffic is awful, There has been one accident whereby a car was knocked up onto.the bank lawn and I gust think something should be done about the t=affic.:hey'reparking for the bank on the 7th Street side, They are parking for the bank of the N;'W, 39th Avenue side just off 7th Street and often times the rear end of those cars :Mend onto 7th Street sno anyone making a right turn from 7th Street into 39th Avenue has one lane to turn in. and ;hey turn into oncoming traffic, for that reason, Something should be done to survey that situation, and 'no parking' sins pat there, The people who live in ny block end people only live on one side of the street in that block, 0n the other side is the wall that you have been talking about, I think that 1n0 parking' signs should be nut all along that side of the street so thst the people who live there can get access to their own property* Now, 1 don't kaov what the 40140,04 is to the llth Street side , but I am here to talk for the 39th Avenue side and wa do not need another entrance there* "hand*, you, I LAP SW Mrs. John (#entry; toy name is tars. John Gentry. I live at 369S N.W. 19th Street. Again, lama Charter member, 1 am now president of arapeland Heights Civic Association. 1 got stunk with the job. Ht. Lefredo didn't mention that he is a charter member and a past -president of the Association. t just wanted to say that, Nothing has changed out there. Everything is the same as it was when we came before you the last time. They have moved the opening on 37th Avenue over, they didn't take the light pole out, it is not as large as it was supposed to be, ae wide an opening. They have not made any,----- -they haven't painted the driveways to keep the trucks back. They pull in any direction, and you can still go out there and make a left turn. I do it all the time except during peak hours and you can't getout of the shopping center at place and make a left turn when the traffic is busy. to is the same thing all over town, and I don't understand why now the Planning Department is recommending the opening. Uftidentified person: They recom ended it before. Mrs. Gentry: They recommended it before? I stand corrected. I am sorry I didn't understand that. Anyway, nothing has changed. The situation is the same. It is just not necessary. The wall is the only thing we have left. We lost the extra 30 ft. -----the 50 ft. setback, and we lost the 200 ft. restriction on the inside of the wall. So that is all we have left. So please keep it the way it is. Thank you. Mrs. Gordon: Anyone else to speak? :sr. Jasper Andre: My name is Jasper Andre, and i live in the Grapeland Heights area at 3127 H.W. 13th Street. 1 am vie -president of Grapeland Heights at the present time. I had a drawing here the last two times and to me it is incredible that this can be constantly hY m,$t,t ,to come back here, like it is a continuous song. And to reverse the commission's decision, it seems to me that we have not a very good possible law. They come up with a new story every day. What I mean by that is this. To convince the commission of the decision after it was plainly discussed, and presented, and then come back again and ask you to open this wall, to disrupt the community over there with the little privacy we have as residents, is un- believable . I don't know how they have the gall to do this. But they do, and they come back and say it over, and over. I think they are trying to wear your patience down. Mr. Plummer: Jasper, clear the record. Please. I am the one. You know how I have stood on it all along. Mr. Andres: I am not talking about you. Mr. Plummer: I am saying, they are not the bad guys. If you want a bad guy, it is me. I was the one who asked that it be brought back up. Mr. Andre: You are not the bad guy, I know. But I am only talking about the bank and the shopping center situation. Those people keep coming back. For example, the license agency was on 27th Avenue and God knows for how many years on Flagler. And they had room, much less than they have here today, in the shopping center. in a very heavily congested area of homes and traffic and everything else. And yet they operated. They come here in the Grapeland Heights area in the shopping center is the back, were given the space, were given a location, and all of a sudden, that was okay for about a year or two, until we start receiving people in there for instruction of new drivers. Now it became necessary to open a wall because before they came in, everything was fine, but the minute the other drivers came in and star; teaching these here how to drive a car, and affiliated with the driving agency, they start breaking the old wall through on 38th and lith, This is what they have done. We triad to get it fixed with a fence, but they put 8 truck through it and broke it µp again. Illegally they put asphalt on there without cutting the curb and every- thing. What they are trying to prove here is, that this is a necessary evil from the demand of the license bureau, Believe me it is not. It is coming from other sources. ;ay it is COlair4 from 4 bank who wents this thing open for their own facilities of their bank tellers. and it is also coming out from the drivers who teach these new people, I think anybody that lees how to drive, it would bo an advantage to go out on 37th Avenue and near lith 4trset there and make a right turn and go into traffic like they are supposed to be, ao they can learn how to drive correctly. No, they dpct wear that, They to disrupt iith Street which is a nerrbw Street. They went to break it through where they go ahead and have :actidegts, moat the whole entire area, and tore wee ere bark again pleading to have hot to open this wall up for these people. 2.7 , : ' 1 7 say that if this agendy don't want any of these tedommended places that are available, and I don't think Commissioner plater they have investigated fully chat the possibilities are, 1 will go along with you, There's about 6 or 7 numbers here, and 1 read theme all. yet these people went this wall broken. NOV3 they will dittoed it up afterwards. They will put a gate and class it up after what time, it doesn't say they will o1ose it, but we are not interested in it. There isn't one shopping tenter that has broken wails through around the area, which more or less the residents living around it,=snot one that 1 know. 1 wish somebody would tell me. We are not trying to degrade the area, but this would degrade it. It will congest it, and 1 don't know what else could happen with traffic, tfe got a dandition there where there is the bog Track open in the season. The thing is a 3at=ress. plus the inside. They are still trying to get in there from time to time in the front end of Ith Street. Circuses dome in and out once in a whine. Yet they say they need these two openings. 1 dan't understand it. 1 say to the Commission, first of all. 1 only see four of the Board. 1 think there should be a full Board to take a new dedision. t hate to dome back for the rest of my life and take a new approach on this thing. It said so here in the letter, that you did take a dedision. The wall doee not get opened. They data go to Opa lodka if they want to. 1 don't think that place is going to be adequate for theme anyhow. 12 that is the way they talk, not if you have to facilitate the in and out, egress and ingress to these drivers. That is all it is for. 1 would like to quit at this time to say please do not,atcd 1 deserve 5 minutes in rebut in ease t hear something out of line, if you give tie the privilege of it, to come back and talk On it, and I would like to see you make a decision not to give yes, ,+,a'an,- - Mrs. Gordon: Jasper, and to the attorney and tanager or whoever wants to answer this question, if I understand it, we took a position of denying application. if we took any other position it would appear to me, we would have to rescind the previous action. Mr. Plummer: Correct. Mts. Gordon: In order to rescind that action, we would have to have a 4/5 vote. Mr. Plummer: Rose, that is not even in play here, because it is up for discussion. Mrs. Gordon: Okay. I am simply clarifying the concern that Jasper has aspersions to. Mr. Plummer: It is up for discussion, that is all. Mrs. Gordon: The concerns that you are speaking of, are that we might take an action in reverse of our previous action. If at anytime that does take place. it would require as I understand the rules of parliaentary procedure, we might have to cake an action first to rescind our previous action, which was a denial. Mr. Plummer: Give her a ruling later on in writing. Mrs. Gordon: No, I would like it now. You can give is to me now. Mlr..Taox, City Attorney: Depending on circumstances a rasol.ution may be rescinded it is not old. IF the current situation reflects that times have changed, them there is not need to rescind the previous resolution in order to take some action at this point. :n trying to resolve the question of whether or not it is necessary to repeal or rescind a previous official action is, whether not circumstances have changed sufficiently and that is usually measure by the passage of time, .ors, Gordon: Right, Also is this is not to he rescinded prior to an action then it would seem to me the unole thing would have to go back though the Planning Board etc. as a new application, Mr. 'r ex: I just say that I don't have any indication a; this point that a 4/f ,aricy is necessary to rescind the previous action. 1 can check that. Mr, Plummer; Lot me ask this question, Mr, 'Giros ie your memo stating that it would conflict with Orange Bowl events, ,can you expand on that for me or 40141e94e who did the study! Mr. Grassie; lcn't know that anyone who did the stud" is here, The basic sway was done by Bob Jennings, And what informetion he had to wows with es 1 recall, trio thl* bane WO month* ag', ,yes this. €, =hc Physital Apace rmReua€4gO4> g 4.1 of the license bureau, that is, how much office apace they require, how much adjaeett parking they would require whieh would be basitally available to them and would not be interf erdd with, if we use that terminology, would not be interferred with by any events that would take place at the Orange bowl Put those two things together and the fact that basically the City would have to be donating the land, those three circumstances made it completely impraatital from the point of view of the City to talk about that site. You have to provide off lee space, you'd have to give the land, and you would have an occasional conflict with your own parking requirements. Mr. Plummer: f haven't got any problem with that Mr. Grassie. Let tie ask this, or maybe ask of them. What is the square footage that you have proffered that you need for a new structure? Six thousand. Now, is that on the single floor? is is possible it could be 3 thousaad if offices were upstairs and your examina- tion rooms downstairs? The nett question has to be, what is your operation? isn't it basically a 9 to 5 operation? There is not time you are open beyond 5 o'clock? Okay. Mr. Grassie, for many years, prior to your coming to Miami, if I can tell'you, that on the west side of the Orange Bow, adjacent to lath Avenue, between 4th and 5th Streets, there existed there for many years, (and was not closed because of con- jestion, it was closed because of economicsfor the county to operate one facility better eff itientiy that two facilities), they were operating behind the baseball stadium, and there at the Orange Bowl. It was felt they would operate up there, the bigger station, more efficiently and they vacated that place there a ll th Avenue. This was inspection, which creates really the same problems in my estimation, that of traffic and others. Mr. Grassie, let me tell you something. t am telling you, I am telling these people, and I am telling these people, -rand I am telling my fellow commissioners. I don't know if they were fortunate enough to get beat on the head like I was beat on the head, but the legislature at a little place up here off the Boulevard where they have some kind of amusement called pari-mutual, we are all there one day, and they all badgered me in the head because of my image of 'bad guy' and they berated me for about an hour. Let me sum it up for you. If you don't do something, you are going to lose it. That was just pure and simple. No. 1, you say we have to give them the land. I think this is something that is very beneficial to the people of this community. No. 2 I don't know how many events that you have in the Orange Bowl, to my recollection with the exception of a few Rock concerts which start in the afternoon. You don't have any events prior to 5 o'clock in the evening. Most of your events, even the football games which start at 8, the policement don't even show up there till 6, t start the security. So I can't see where the parking which would be utilized by these people and by the Orange Bowl would be in conflict. Okay. That is my opinion. The third item, there is no question. I can't speak against 6,000 sq. ft. but I will tell you for one Mr. Grassie, if I had to vote, of giving 6,000 sq. ft. for a building, as opposed to having this move out of the City of Miami, my vote would have to be in the affirmative to give them that piece of property. Not necessarily. I am using that piece of property based on the fact that it had previously been used for a light operation. Their offices were not 7,000 sq. ft. but many a day I set in that line, waiting for the curiique in the worm to get around to get py car inspected. Now. I am expressing my opinion. I am saying to you, that I don't want to go back on my promise to Jasper and the rest of the people of the area, but 1 am also saying to you, that there is no question in nay mind that if we don't do something, we are going to lose that licensing bureau and I don't thank the citizens of this community want to have to drive to Opa..locka or No. Miami Beach, or South Dade county. We have roughlY 300 thousand of our pa'ple that drive auto- mobiles, and by God I don't know of a better convenience that we could give them. than to give a piece of our property for them to use to build a facility on, and when I equate the convenience to our people as to the little bit of inconvenience it might causo, I for one, would like to give dissections to the adatinistaration. I¢ is going there, now tell how it best can go there, 144 expressing the opinion of one. We. 0ordons YOU are back on the Orange Bowl location' Mr. Plummer; Rose 1 am not dead set on the Orange Bowl. I think it is a €vod 1QcatiO4, it is a cent€al location, 1 don't really see the conflict of the 9 to 5 opera ion. 111111111111 31 tins cordont t don't either, Mrs Andra : Mra, dotdot, may 1 say this. I believe it ref erehee to the rapid transit which is going to be built in the very tear future, acid that it is going to go within 7 years, I am not surer What could be a logical plate for this piste to be in, because a lot of people are going to come by tram or bus and they have a tremendous attount of facilities it► transportation. They dott't have it on shopping spots. It is an outoofathe-way place for people to cone to, attd I tatt't see why we have to disrupt something far something that is riot going to stay there in the future. We don't mind the agency to stay there. What we do mind is the distuptitg the community. Mrs. Gordon: You don`t have to convince me. l at convinced. I have beet convinced for a long times tt have to address somebody who is not convinced. Mr. Andre: I thought we were going to go into another session. I don't see why they should orange the tot ission's decision. Mrs. Cordon: I at not opposed to the operation. l just don't want to opeft the wall. It is plain and simple as all that. to has been that way and hasn't changed. 1 would like to help them find a plate. I would like to help the get located in a plate where it wouldn't disrupt the neighborhood. Mr. Plotter: Mr. Vice -Mayor? Mrs. Gordon: He stepped out. I want to ask you something J.L. On this list of sites, this Biscayne Annex post office site„---r- Mralumuiert We don't own that Rose. Mrs.Gordon: I know it, but who does? Has there been any investigation of that site. Can anybody address themself to that? Mr.Whipple: Commissioner Gordon we did not pursue any further than what this memorandum reflects. We sought sites that were of a size that had been indicated to us, was necessary for the operation, looked to see where there was a building available or not, and because of the lease arrangement, and the commitment which, it is my understanding from conversations that there is no money available and it is then a question on these sites, if the city perhaps wanted to pursue this, and provide it, but this is strictly a policy item and we didn't feel the City could go any further than these basic facts. Mrs. Gordon: I 'hear conversations that don't make the same sense. First I hear they are going to move out, they are going to leave. Then I hear they can't move out, they can't leave. Which is it? Are they going to move out? Or they can't move out? George, do you want to address yourself to 'the facts as they are? Mr. George DuBreuil: We would like out turn to a rebuttal, In other worda the Commission has been talking, the Planning staff has been talking, and the objectors have been taring. ;Mrs, Gordon: Put or name on the mike please. Mr, George DuBreuil: My name is George r,.'u,'areuil.: y offices :re a 100 ;;,W. 37th Avenue MSia:ai,F:.orida, First of all, I don't want to take a lot of time ct the commission. I think this matter has been heard nroably as much if not more, than any matter that hos ever cove before this commission. `:r, Gibson, is over there talking and Mr, 'lut ►er is on the phone. Mrs. Gordon: Why don't You wait till they get back to their $eats then? Mr, Plume€!1 agree with your concept George, 1 have been bete 7 years and there is i€ 1 'snow Of that has evai heard more by this commission, :r, «uBxeoill don't want to take a lot of time of going beck, beat for i P1e, oe one ooi.er, the Orange Bowl foci iey, 041y two days ago, add l don't went to net 3to the t3 million dollar bond issue, but I can Yust foresee if you all Wan d :ia',e granted rermtssion for them to move over to the Orange Bowl, and thgn a 5 million dollar cone traction starts IOW en, what uoald happen with the pe0p;4 acting there for trait driver's license. This is for examele, No matter what location you All deeide upon, and if you do decide up en one, don't you think there ia going to be another Crapeland Heights group that ia going ta come up ia that area, wherever we deeide to put it, ft is just like our eeptesawnys, our seaport everything ve have ever tried to put in this dommunity, Therea always going to be objections to it. I teaogtiee the Argument of the Orapeland Heights people but when they stand here and tell you that nothing haa been don e by the Central Shopping Center. t don't know hav many thousands and thousands of dallars,eeee- we did put in a brand new, solid CIS poured eanerate foundationleepaured concrete every 10 ft. a tap an it 8 ft. long,e-ve put it beautiful trees,,ve landscaped it, we put in a sprinkler system. We maintain it. It is niter than it has ever been, Sifted the day that t first voted for that to go in. Mrs. Cordon: I don't think they were talking about the shopping center not doing anything, 1 think they mean the neighborhood. Mt. DuIreuil: They were talking about the condition of the wall and Mr. Laredo referred to nothing hae been changed, nothing has been done in that area, We have improved the entire area out there as far As the shopping oenter. Mrs. Gordon: 1 understood it differently George. I understood that as being a eomment of neighborhood life-style. Mt. Dareuilt I have Maj. Keith here, the head of the State Licensing Board today, State Road Department. / also have with us today Mr. deorge Simon who is one of the principals and owners of the Shopping Center so that anything you all would agree on, that not me, but owning from them, that they could also back it up. We have passed along with the Planning Staff recommendation, that No. 1 as far as the 7 year lease, they can get out of that lease. There is a proviso to get out of that lease, in there. That is NO. 1. No. 2, that there has been a move for them to possibly try to get some new state funds by one of legislators. Why we are back here today,because when Mr. Plummer asked that the City Manager, and I wrote a letter to the Mayor, with copies to the Commission, 1 wrote letters to the City Manager asking what has happened with this, and was there investigation going on, was there a check up on it. We were going on the basis of what the Mayor and some of the commissioners had recommended at that time, possibly for relief, Mrs. Gordon, that we could have an exit on that. There is now a light on 37th Avenue and Ilth Street. So if traffic could exit only on that street, with a gate, with all the provisos, the marking, the site. We would put a couple of pedestrian, ------some of the people in Grapeland Heights even wanted the pedestrian walkway through there to make it easier to get into the Shopping Center. This is a convenience to the neighborhood as well as, -----they shop there, they bank there, and also, more important was that everyone in the City of Miami, and Coral Gables, and other cities as well, come to this location. Jack Roberts wrote an article right on this point, on this particular thing, the convenience for the City of Miami. A lot of these cars, are being trained inside of that back area. Father Gibson we have done everything humanly possible to upgrade, we have moved the wail. I think Grapeland Heights people will admit that the wall across the back now, is beautiful. It has been broken as fast as we put it up, they knock it down. If there is anything else, maybe Mr. George Simons would like to say, and also Major Keith will be happy to answer any of your questions. So at this time I would like to introduce you to Mr. George Simons. Mr. George Simon: My name is George Simoe, president of Payday Inc. which owns the shopping center, we would like to make the people in the area happy. I think we have done an excellent landscapine job, which is still no; finished.Primerily the rear side of the shopping center is still not finished, subject to making a determination of what resits of this. What we propose, and which we have discussed with the Florida Highway petrol licensing department, is one of the big Problems of the Grapeland Heights people, is, that the testing, by the licensing people takes place on the city streets immediately ad!acent to the shopping center and in front of their homes. We would propose that there is a section on that map. which is that photo which is grassed in, if that be pried and constructed, a testing area, which they would not have to taUe the people onto the streee, but will do their testing right on the site. If ell of ;hese can be done, working mother and it would eliMitlate traffic off the street for the benefit of the people in the Orapelaad Heights area end make the Highway Petrol people happy by having satisfectory ingress and 0gregs and with the 'mettle: lien; there on Ilth Street and an opening only the site for auto- nobileo4 everybody is Pin to be happy. The trucks are not ping to coW in that way. The trucks are net going to leave IA that direction. The liceaeing people have told us they will mum the reepousibility of opening that entrance wnen they open in tho 33 4' 1977 morning, dlosing it when they leave at Might. And 1 think they are responsible enough ift that diredtion, Mr, Plummer: How long has that light been in? Mr. Simons: That light has been in a year, 1 guess. A referende was made to as to that exit driveway. We moved that driveway to the e:tact sine and spedifidation as requested. Mr, Mummer: Let me ask a question. If 1 understand you dorredty, the only thing you need and require, is an exist. Is that dorredt? Mr. Simons: That is dorrect, Mr. Plummer: You say there is a light how at filth Street and 37th Avenue. Okay. Jasper, let me ask you this question. Come up here to the map. You all had better lock to see ghat 1 as saying. If we were to come in here, (are you familiar with the speed Jane here at the shopping center here on bitie highway. Listen to tie out, before you refute anything I say. If we were to come in this area, we would be affecting three people. There is no question we would be affecting, If there were to be an opening here, in this general area, this would give the the stacking to get out of here. If we put an exit here, and that can be donor by the way, with the grade in the street where you can't cote in. If you do, you puncture your tire, You can only exit. Mr, Andre: There is a bus stop here. :fir. Plummer; That can be moved, If we cote out here with a speed lane exit only, and if necessary turn this into a cne..way street going east, if necessary, that could affect the people from here, over and down. Mr. Andre: It wouldn't do that. But I think an exit here is very bad, because of the stack up. 1r. Plummer: Some people have to be affected. 1r.Andre: What they are looking for is this opening here. Mr. Plummer: Speak to what I just said. Mr. Andre:I don't think that is going to be right because the street is narrow, and you are going to have a bigger jam, in here and out there. Mrs. Gordon:If I might make a suggestion that, we do two things. One, we speak into the microphone, and two that we make it so that everybody can see what you are pointing at. Otherwise why don't we get all parties, let J.L. be chairman of a joint committee, and iron these things out at some private session and come back to us with an agreement between all parties and I think that sounds like a good approach. You can't solve it now. Rev. Gibson; J.L. let me ask thrs. Let me ask all of you, would you all welcome an opportunity to sit down with J.L. Mx. Plummer: That is not fair. Mrs, Gordon; It is fairer than doing it here right now, We don't see what you are doing. ?ev, Gibson: You are now doing the same thing here and if the people will listen to you, would hear you, not do what you say, if they will hear you, and if you za come to a reasonable solution, Why don't you be chairman and take as many of the oiti etas, '.'it. Jasper, and rwo or three other people and sit down and realistically approach it, That doesn't mean ;'ou are going to agree. One thing 1 learned is life. I learned :this in marriage oo maeliAga you are never sure vvu are goi'A$ to get together unless You try. ridentif :ed person; la have been together ;sany ties now, with this ,problem, Can, Gush; I agree with the Shopping Canter people, that they have beautified the place, it does look good, They have to aged also that we have 4444e ed aeny a i #.% ;e 1 7' times far them to get what they have gatin other wards, they moved that wall in on us about 13 ft. or so. Unidentified person: 30 ft. Capt. Bush: Thirty feet, and that was with the stipulation it would be a solid wal.:Now we are back down here for the umpteenth time again to open the wall up. 1 don't know how long this is going to keep up. Every. day I have to take off work to came down here. Mrs. Gordon: You know you didn't put your name in the record, and when they transcribe these minutes they put 'unidentified person.' Capt. ken Bush: i am Ken Bush, 3/25 H.W. filth Street. Mr. Plummer: in his business, it is known as a 'white male.' Rev. Gibson: J.L. ,-. ..r Mr.Plummert father, the one thing in say life 1 don't want to do, is to spin my wheels. And these people are adamant. Nothing is going to please them. There is no use to hold a committee meeting with that kind of thinking.You are asking me to go to try to persuade these people to do something else, and I am not going to do it. Kenny carries a gun. I am scared of guns. Ors. Gordon: Come on J.L. Mr. Plummer: If these people are willing to sit down and talk about it, and there is some solution, I wouldn't hesitate for a minute. Rev. Gibson: I know two of these people and I find them to be among the most reasonable people in this community. That doesn't mean you are going to agree with it. You may come back here and say hell no. :firs. Gordon: Dorothy would you call a meeting of Grapeland Heights and invite the participants and J.L. will be there to bring us the message. How about that? Mr. George Dareuill We have done that. I know more than two of them.I know practically all of them over there. Rev.Gibson: Mr. Plummer: Plummer: Yes, Father, -- Rev, Gibson: I have to admit you have always indicated a willingness to do that which is in the best interest of the City. You have never hesitated, even sometimes at a very painful point. I know those. two men. Youd could sit down and advance the idea that you were trying to advance, if it is reasonable. If it is not reasonable, come back here. M.r.Aadre: Father, may I ask you a question? Why in the world is it that we can't investigate these more closely, because they are talking about 6,0Q0 sq. ft. and here we have Biscayne Annex post orrice, e.3 acres. And they have over here another one, Seaboard, 7.2 acres. What in the world is wrong with these places? What is the bind? The money? I don't think :coney is the problem here, I think it is something else, I can't put coy finger on it right now. but but what they are trying to tell us, is that. they can no longer operate in that particular facility unless the wall, is broken, ;yet they bourhgt it when they went in there. They had their eyes wide open. When they moved from 27th Avenue to the Shopping Center, they found it okay, wr haven't changed anything except the bank closed it up a little bit by tellers. Now, why do we have to change this wall situation now and make many, any decisions, over and over and over? It sounds like a broken Mr,P3 aer: Jasper, very simply the reason why, for the convenience for 3QQ thousand people, That is why. Jasper, you and 1. we have been together, and we are -still together. But t am telling you Jasper, there is no question in my mind, that that thing is going to be Lost to this city and the convenience to the people of this ;try, if we don't do something, 1 Mr. Anete: they don't want to listen to you on the Orange Bowl. They don't watt to listen to you on that. Mr. plumMert That is their privilege. All t am saying to you is, there is no question; somebody has get to be inconvenienced. And as Mr. Reboso said to me, if you put it at the Orange !kiwi somebody is going to be inconvenienced around there. There is no question. if you put it over at the baseball stadium, somebody is going to be inconvenienced there. But Jasper you have to put yourself up here where t am sitting to equate whether you ate going to inconvenience 6 people or 200 thousand. That is where 1 at having some real pangs of conscience..1 think 1 have made the point very clear. Any way we can do it, including giving city property, 1 am in favor of. But there is the other point, there is no question. For ten dollars you can have a hole in the wall and you don't have to spend any more money. That is kind of tough, Jasper. When 1 have to give 6,000 sq. ft. of the Orange Bowl which I am willing to do, as equated to a 10 ft. or 8 ft. opening. I have to tell you something Jasper. There is no problem, as Father says, that is not insurmountable. If you have to but a piece of real estate in hell, buy the best piece you can buy. All I ati trying to say is, there has to be a way of doing it, and if my good friend Kenny gush lives across the street, and he wants to say to me, the only way 1 will buy it, is an opening, is 14,000 trees in front of my house so I won't have to look at the damn cars, that is a possibility. But don't send me into the lion's den, with a wall so tight that I can't break it. To the that is spinning wheels. All I am saying to you is, sure, there is no quesiton somebody is going to be inconvenienced, whether it is Kenney, you, Mrs. Gentry, people around the Orange Bowl, or around the Baseball Stadium. But when you equate how many other people are going to be inconvenienced, by it being in Opa-locks, or 0jus, or wherever it be, that is where I am having some real problems. Mr. buBreuil: Mr. Plummer on that point, I brought Mr. Keith, Miajor Keith, along, if we could go ahead, ----- Mr. Plummer: He doesn't have to reiterate, really George. Mr. tu3reu:l: You hit the nail on the head. These people don't want to move out of the City of Miami. I don't care where we, ------- Mr. Plummer: If you want to go further, right now, my God, we have spent so much of this man's time to try to get the federal government, 'please, bring that bank back downtown', we said 'please put that federal office downtown.' We are doing million of dollars of saying to people 'please come back downtown.' These are the type of things you have to have. George, look, I want to put this on the record. You represent the shopping center, and there is not a question in my mind that this is tremendously beneficial to the shopping center. The people are there and the people come there, and sure it is convenient to stop in and buy what you need while you are doing this. And it is also beneficial to the Shopping Center because you are getting a lease rent out of it. I don't deny that one bit. Let me tell you something. There is no question in my mind of the thoughts of the. legislature if we don't do, we are going to lose it. That is where I have problems, Mr. Du3reuil. Mx. Plummer, on this thing as far as the driving school and etc. goes, I can't understand, in other words, she way it is situationed right :pow, how these people can say they have a problem. They come out of the shopping center onto 31tb Avenue, that light at llths Street, if it turns red for north and south bound traffic, there is not problem at all to turn. You have to take a right turn, and ;ust make your tight turn and go out. As far as them learning to drive in the shopping center, I think it is ridiculous anyway. 'n other words, ..f you are going totake somebody out to teach them to drive. :o see if they can drive, you want them out in traffic. You are not going have the driving around a parkin 10t, 1 was Nat talking to an instructor, a student inat,.ruttor, that teaches Up in 3€award County, they take the student out on 1-95 to teach them how co drove, :ou mean to till Ze these people that are supposed to know how to drive, and are gong tp for their license, an't come out onto 37th Avenue, I can't under- stand that at all. 1 go over there all the time and 1 comet right there. Ads a inter of fact I maize the :eft turn, I don't 'save that much difficulty, I tan't see why these peQPle are having all that di,fs,cul€;.T, Tha Placa has been iPgraded, I: looks heavtift4, I will grant that. I oan'c see messing it utiknt6t the wall dovm amd everything. It souks realgood now and there is no sense in them ave 'li messing t' .e . .h#re R.e1 p3. ;ey of room for them t? get 0=0 i#t i 3ventla, Slo, P 40n3 C:a!'ify the ri ing school concept, 7f $1,41 714, t.!,.!o appl-h.ce YANG+ for driver's license, please. Majtit Keith: We are not teaching them how to dirve, 404 14 They are taking them out far their driving test, fibt teaching them how to drive. They ga to different schoole all over the county ta learn haw ta drive. Capt Bush : Haw many driving schools you gat operating out over there? You gat --met You've got one driving school, and where ate they learning to drive. Major ieith: Probably an the streets. Capt. Bush: Exactly. Might in front of my house. tf these people come for their driver's license, there is no reason why they shouldn't be able to pull out onto filth Street. 1 don't Vant to drive behind somebody that's got to learn to drive in a parking lot or get's his license by driving around in circles in a parking lot. Mr. Simonet Mr. Chairman„ ------let them talk as much at they want to, I don't want to take this commission's time, and when they get finished, t don't want to be answering questions back and forth. 1 don't think that is Robert's Rules. t think we should direct our things through the chair, since you are the Vice —Mayor, when they get finished talking, --we had Maj. Keith up here to discuss his position, any questions you want to ask us, through the Chair we will be happy to, but 1 resent back and forth rebuttal here. They have have had their turn. How many times are they going to talk. Rev. Gibson: All right, sir. Ma'am, you have something? Mrs. Gresham:I sure do. I was speaking for the people on N.W. 39th Avenue. Now you have already made a traffic hazard for us. We have no access to our propert half the time. We need some 'no parking' signs on our side of the street. It was very easy when I put up pointed lawn markers in order to mark my driveway, so I could get into that driveway, for the zoning inspector to appear at my house say you are violating the zoning. You have to take down those pointed lawn markers. So now, here I am again with no markers and I can't get home half the time. So please would you ask the police department to make a survey and do something about getting us some no parking signs before somebody is killed on that street. /t is a real traffic hazard. They park on both sides of N.W. 39th Avenue to go into that bank. That parking lot, ----I don't know why they don't why they don't want to go in there. I guess it is because they can't get out of the thing. But it is terrible. It really is. And something needs to be done. I don't think it is fair for you people to allow the bank to be put over there, and then tell us we can't get into our property. Because you can do something about it if you want to. Rev. Gibson: Mr. Grassie, / hope you heard what the lady said and I trust you will direct the property party or parties to address themselves to the concern of the lady who just got through speaking. Mr. Grassie; We will certainly have the street analyzed, Commissioner. Yes. Ms. Gentry : Father Gibson I am going to answer Mrs. Rose's question. She asked we if we could call a meeting at Grapeland Heights and everyone sit down and talk. That was going to be my request, when we had the 3 o'clock time, because our people work and they can't get here. Just a few of them. So we would love to have a meeting at Grapeland Heights and have ell of you came out at time when our people can get there, gr Mrs, Gordon; George, would you object? Mould lag to try one more shot at a compromise? Maybe moving the driveway as J.L. started to point cut on the map before? Maybe if they are indicating 4 viiiinneSS to meet, Rev. Gibson; Sir, let me respond, The fact that that lady has :Nat said. we gush; to have a meeting, As long as yo are talking, there is a possibility • 1 want to urge you, please, as long as they went to talk, (and I trust they won't talk forever), let's talk. Let me tell you what you are not hearing, J.L. Plummer was a an Div Was unsltsrsblY opposed, altogether, to the; OPOU.4148,4 Plummer went there with that photo there, and made a suggestion which is Ming 4 long way, I suggest so that we in a spirit of cooperetion, em4 w7; do have the citizens to think about. I suqest es I '1 Madame, that you do exactly what you have asked a few minutes ago, and that we will ask Commissioner Plummer to be presents tie will ask Commissioner Plummer, of all the CoMMisaioners, to represent the Commission at that meeting, Mrs. Gentry: Rev. Gibson: Mrs. Gordon: You are all invited. All of us are invited and hopefully all of ui As many as possible will go. will go. Rev. Gibson: If you call Hr. Plummer, he will see to that the test of us get word. Rut I think that brings us a long way. Mr. Sit►bns: All we are swing to you, and to them, we are completely flexible. If they will pick out a spot that is satisfactory to them, we will put the opening there. If they don't want a spot, period, what can possibly be the purpose of the opening? Of the meeting? Rev. Gibson: Let me respond. You know, if you don't sit down and talk you won't get the opening. You follow what I am saying? And the only way you are going to get the opening, is talking. All. I am trying to suggest to you, for God's sake, go talk with those people. Mr. Andre: Father, I read you loud and clear. Rev. Gibson: Plummer, you are deputized. Madame, you tell whenever. We have to get something done. 1rs. Gentry: We will get together. Rev. Gibson: I know Mr. Jasper, and Capt Bush will at least talk with you. And if you don't get nothing done, the fact that you talk is important to us. Mrs. Gentry: Thank you. Rev. Gibson; Look, you could tell him, go jump in the lake, but at least I want you to be able to talk. Mrs. Gentry: We don't talk like that. Rev. Gibson: Unidentified I would like That is why I want you to go. person: I had Major Keith come down, or he came down from Tallahassee, the opportunity for him to ,------ Rev. Gibson: Major, come on up here and talk. Major Keith, Florida Highway Patol: Chairman, members of the Commission, I think we have said about all you can say here. WE appreciate the time you people have taken to hear both sides of this, and again all I .an comment is, we serve the public and we are here for your benefit, and the opening in the wall would serve a great deal and time saving for those who come for service. You now people don't comply with the law because they want to. They do it because they have to, I feel like the choice f giving Mr, Plummer, marking him deputy of this, maybe we can accomplish something. would hope so, We are most anxious to do it, because we are confronted with complaints continually. I agree with the Captain. You can't test someone in a parking lot. Put as a result of the time element we have got, we have had to short cut of what our re4ponsibilities are in order to keep people from waiting. So thank you so much. Rev, Gibson; wank you sir. YOU see, we ate turning nearer and nearer. 'You see the spirit of trying to understand. which is important. Plummer is aa.ready ting with 'r. u3# ?uil, J414t in c4r;elu,stion. Mr, Chairmen, the only Possib -e, (I aA not opposed to ever sitting down and talking with 415,030 and tells -tag. and I think that is what is wrong with our world today. ano I don't want to get pbilopothical 4n veu)but at the seaae t; e, €hcugrft it said 43 the agenda, 'disci:ssicn' so we are here to died, eg it, We i;ave bean here about four tine to discuss it, We think there is e vary drastic need that ttlis 1.4u4t1on am within the city_ limits f. the city of 1, i to the teaefit of everyone in ta44 city. MY 4aly tear An is ia. i ar if we, even if the city end up with a Ideation, in another Area,such as J.L. suggested and eta. We are going to have the same problem with ether people with our expressways, and seaports like t said. No matter where we want to put them, everyone wanted them, but to one want it front of their house. That is the situation we have. Mts. Gordon: May 1 sum up one thing. I have had about 2S years of etperienee of negotiating real estate and 1 have come to the conclusion then if all parties concerned are cooperative, you can reach a compromise and 1 think the willingness of the Grapeland Heights people to have such a meeting in my opinion is a giant step forward. And 1 think you are coming batik with a compromise. Mt. Plummer: That is called buying your objectors out. George, Rev. Gibson: That gentleman wants to say something. Mr. Plummnert- =oh, I'm sorry. Mt. Luis Vasquez: My name is Luis Vasquez, 1011 N.T. 52nd Place. I would like to point out something for the lady. 1 forgot her name. The ote who lives on 39th Avenue. 1 could say this, 1 am familiar with the area, and think has got a trouble, a problem there and I agree with her. And the reason, 1 think 1 know. They are all neighbors, the same people who live in that area there, they have to drive about S or 7 blocks to go into the bank. When they get out of the bank, they have to make a very Hasty left turn into 7th Street. They would rather park half a block, or even one block away from the bank, instead of getting into that left turn. I won't do it myself. Maybe she gave us a very good point there and she might under- stand a little better the problem after 1 clarify this for her. Rev. Gibson: All right. Thank you. Mr. Plummer, your work is cut out for you. Go in peace and sin no more. Mr.Davis: Mr. Vice -Mayor, the applicant is ready on item il9. Rev. Gibson: Wait a minute. Mr. Plummer is going to notify you. Mr. Plummer: No. No. She is going to call a meeting next week of the Grapeland Heights Civic Association. They will notify the Shopping Center. Mrs. Gentry, she is the president. Unidentified person: Could we have the Planning Staff there. Rev. Gibson: Sure. The whole staff is at your disposal. Let's hear #9. Mr. Plummer: Father I object to that. We have people here for other items, and I think we are postponing this item for their convenience and I don't think these other people should be inconvenienced. I think Item 9 should be put down to the end, and be heard at the end. It is only proper. I know there are people here on the Edison. 14. CLOSURE 4F N.W. 5TH AvE. BETWEEN N.W. 60m AND 62ND STREETS FOR DADE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD, Mr. Davis: This was brought back from your previous hearing February 23 regarding the Dade County School Board's application for the closure of i.w, 5th Avenue batween N.W. 60th and 62nd Streets. This was deferred so the Staff could meet with the School Board and residents of the area and representatives from D.D.Q.T. to determine if a solution could be made to this problem and Mt. Whipple has the report for you on this. RBv. Gibson; All right sir. . Whipple; As indicated by Mr. Davis, these representatives did meet with approximately 8 or neighbors in the neighborhood on April 11, repreeenta;Rues of Dade County Depa€mment of Transportation, gity of Miami Public Wore. fide County School ;44 and theCity of Miami Flaming Department, represented by myself. Before you we have laid out au aerial map and superimpose the school stucture as it is being erected at this time, if i may po nt out. this is the 39 tnsin struotute, This teas Sth Avenue At this point. This is a parking atea far faculty parking. This is an entrance drive to the front of the school:. This is the student parking, In this blue line, which is what the neighborhood is Concealed about, is the route of travel. Mr. Plummer: is there any way it can be worked out? Mfr. Whipple: No, sir, not in our opinion. We recommend that no streets be provided, through the playground site, Mr. Plummer: unfortunately, I feel without any question, this Commission was hoodwinked. I am not going to stutter. I think we wete given a false impression. It is unfortunate. We have done everything we can, adttitted our guilt, if you may, we have tried with all parties doncerned to try to week it out. And I don't think there is any way this commission is going to vote to put a street through the middle of that auditorium, or make them tear it down. Now, let's be sensible. Are the objectors here? Mr. Whippletl do not see any of the people I have met with. They were notified by 4r, Davis. Mr. Plummer: I am glad they are not here. I don't have to worry about any poison darts or anything like that. I'll make a motion. We have done everything humanly pssible to try to correct a problem and that problem is possibly is the omission of this commission, but we are faced with facts as of today, and I see we have no other alternative.all partied have sat down with the officials, There is no alternati•. We cannot tear down a brand new high school. I move the adoption of Item 14. I don't like it, 1 don't want it, but I have no other alternative. Rev. Gibson:Let me make this comment before we vote. There is no solution, no. I want this comment reflected in the record. : get real up -tight with public officials, or people who represent public Boards,aho come up with the attitude as that woman came up here with. Mr. Plummer: I agree. Rev. Gibson: What was her name?She represented the School Board. I get real up -tight, they are paid by taxpayers' money, the same people they want to kick around and bulldoze around, pay their salary. That bothers me. You know what that woman said that stuck in my craw like corn, she said, well they knew what they were getting when they agreed. And with that kind of attitude, I want the record to reflect when she comes back here, asking us to do something else, I am going to scrutinize what they ask ten thousand times more carefully than I have in the past. I hope she wouldn't do that to members of the Board, nor members of the Staff for the Board of Public Instructions. And I also want to serve another warning. Mr. Mananger tell all the members of the staff for the City that in the future they had better doggone sure have all their facts before they come. And they had better ask all the pertinent questions regardless who they are, that come here asking us to do things. The woman indicted us. You all remember what she said? She indicted us. She acted as if we were a bunch of dumbbells and dummies. Mdr. 'Nhippie, don't let them say that about us in the future. Please. You and :r. Davis, don't let them say chat about us in the suture. I hope ,you all be as careful and as discerning for us as that woman is for the Board of Public Instruction. Okay? Call ;he roll. The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 77-354 A RESOLVTICN CLOSING, VACATING, ABANDONING AND DISCONTINUING TiR PUBLIC USE Of TEAT PORTION Cr N. W, 5T 'i AVENUE BETWEEN N.W. 6QTl? STREET AND ,W. 62ND STMT., IN CONJUNCTION WITH T, NT. T V PLAT NO. 965 - "MIAMI BBISON SCuOOL SITE FIRS* D" 40 (Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file in the Office of the City Clerk.) Upon being seconded by Commissioner Mimeo, the resolution was passed and adapted by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Plummer, Mr. Reboso Mrs. Gordon, and Vioe4t yor Cibsbt. NOES: Note. ABSENT: Mayor Parre. ABSTAINING: Note. CO GRANT ONE-YEAR EXTENSION OP CONDITIONAL USE FOR PRIVATE CLUB (B) GRANT ONEraYEAR EXTENSION OF CONDITIONAL USE FOR RESTAURANT* NTH FOR DE CARTER ice) Mr. Plummer: Mr. Manager, you have any problems with this? Mr. Grassier No, sir. Mr. Plumber: Does the Building Department have any problems with this? Unidentified person: No, sir. Mr. Plummer: I'll move 15A. Rev. Gibson: Do I hear a second? Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute. One other question.. Does the Police Department have any problems with this? Mr. Davis: As far as we know, they do not. Mr. Plummer: What do you mean, as far as you know? Mr. Davis:They were notified of this by agenda. We have had no response from them. Mr.Plummer: Silence gives consent. Mr. Davis:That is what they have done in the past sir. Mr. Plummer: I want it noted on the record that I am accepting that the Police Department has no objections to this particular item. I move it. The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 77-355 A RESOLUTION GRANTING A ONE-YEAR EXTENSION OF THE CONDITIONAL TJSE AS LISTED LN ORDINANCE NO, 6871, ARTICLE X. SECTION 1 (6) (h) TO PERMIT ESTABLISHMENT OF A PRIVATE CLUB ON 36TH STREET B YFRONT SUB (102-75) BE NG 600 N.E. 36TE STREET, AS PER PLANS ON FILE HAVING A MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA OF 8920 SQ. FT. ; IN CONJUNCTION WITH A 446•UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING; ZONED R-5 (HIGH -DENSITY MULTIPLE) GRANTED BY ZONING BOARD RESOLUTION NO, ZB 166-76 (Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and an file in the Office of the City Clerk.) Upon being seconded by Commtssioner Reboso, the resolution was passed and adopted by the following vote; AYES; Mr. Plummer, Mr. Rebosv, Mre,Gordon, and Vice -Mayor Gibson. NOES; None, ABSENT; ; Mayor Terre. ABSTAINING; None. 41, 4. The following resolution was introduced by Co Isaiaher Plummer, who craved its adoption: RESOLUTION NO, 77-556 A RESOLUTION GRANTING A ONEioYEAR EXTL4SION OP THE COND1T10NAL USE AS LISTED TN ORDINANCE NO, 6671, ARTICLE :, SECTION 1 (6)(e) TO PERMIT ESTABLISIMINT OP A RESTAURANT ON 56TH STREET EAYPRONT St?B (102 45) BEING 600 :. F.. 36TiH STREET, AS PER PLANS ON PILE, HAVING A MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA Or 8020 S(), PT.; SAID RESTAURANT NOT EXCEEDING A SEATING CAPACITY OP 206 SEATS; ALL tN CO JA1NCTION WITH A 446-UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING; ZONED R-5 (HIGH DENSITY MULTIPLE), GRANTED BY ZONING BOARD RESOLUTION N0. ZB 16746 (Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file in the Office of the City Clerk.) Upon being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, the resolution was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Plummer, Mr. Reboso, Mrs. Gordon, and Vice -Mayor Gibson. NOES: NONE. ABSENT: Mayor Ferre. ABSTAINING; None. 16. GRANT ONE-YEAR EXTENSION OF VARIANCE FOR WAIVER OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS - 3181 CORAL WAY (THE MONKS' INN), Mr. Plummer: Mr. Manager, do you have any problems with 16? Mr. Davis, do you have any problems with 16? Are you speaking for the Building Department? Mr. Davis: Yes, sir. 4r. Plummer: What about the police department? Mr. Davis: Again the same situation. Mr. Plummer: I'll move it. Mr. Reboso: I second. Rev. Gibson: Discussion? The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: RESOLUTION NO 77-357 A RESOLUTION GRANTING A ONE-YEAR EXTENSION OF THE VARIANCE FROM ORDINANCE NO. 5871, ARTICLE XIII, SECTION 4(23), TO PERMIT ADDITION TO EXISTING RESTAURANT ON LOT 1 W. t OF LOT 2 S LOTS 19 THRU 24, BLOCK 4, AUBURN HEIGHTS (15-67). BEING 3181 CORAL WAY, AS PER PANS ON FILE, WAIVING 27 OF 67 REQUIRED OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES, & PRO- VIDING A 6' DECORATIVE BLOCK WALL BETWEEN THE PARKING AREA 4 THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, SUBJECT TO REVIEW BY THE ZONING BOARD NINE MONT*iS AFTER DATE OF CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, ZONED C- (COMMUNITY CO EPCIAL) GRANTED BY ZONING BOARD RESOLUTION NO. k3-171•-76 (Here follows body of resolution. omitted here and on file in the Office of the City Clerk.) J'Gn being seconded by Commissioner Reboso, , the resolumion was 1:e4sed and adopted by the fo11owinB vote; AYES; Mr. P1ummer, Mr. Reboso, Mrs, cordon, 4nd line -Mayor Gibson, NOES; None. ABSENT; Mayor Ferro. A8TA1NINC: None. 1 171 BRIEF DISCUSSION AND DEFERMENT P ORM:T OF ALTERNATE MEMEERTi THE ZONING MARDI Rev. Gibson: May t make a suggestion. I think ate agreed that due to the fact that the Mayor is not here, you wanted to postpone 17. Isn't that correct? Mr. Plummer: Until tomorrow. Rev. Gibson: Until tomorrow. Mt. Davis:At what time, approximately, Mt. Vice -Mayor. the applicants ate here, add perhaps would like to be here tomorrow. Rev. Gibson: Who are the applicants. Let's Set, Just one person? What shall we do? Can we set a time certain to take up this item, since the Mayor is not here? Mr. Grassier tf you wish, Mr. Vice -Mayor you can take it up right after the pre- sentations, about 2:30 o'clock P.M. Rapt. Gibson: I: you are here at 2 o'clock, as soon as we have the presentations we will put you on. Okay? Thanks very much. We appreciate your understanding. 18, FINAL PREZ ilTATAHMIAmt Cct i tvE NEIMOR PLAN CP CIO HEARING AND DEFER FOR VOTING ON MAY 12, 77 t Mrs, Gordan: t have a question, Mr, Vine=Mayor. 4e had a 4 80 public tteari o oh the MiaMi Comprehensive Neighborhood Plai, There are people who are iieereeted ill that and would like to kt`low if we're going to hear it. Mr. Plummer: What's item i8? Rev, dibeon: Vas. The suggestion earlier was that we see hew many people were here Oh this item 180 the adoption of the Miami Compreher ive Weighboncaod Plan. Let me say, now that you're here, that unfortunately the Mayor had to be out of town and he is hot heree We have disdussed this matter artori ourselves earlier that we th6t ht it appropriate that the Mayor should hear arid... But yet we ate conoerhed that you took time out to be here and we advertised that we would take up this matter at 4:00 today. Now we would like to get soMe expression frost you because after all there are many of you and only one of him and we want you to think of the Mayor's as you would think of yourself but we know that most of you, guess some of you anyway, are working people and this plan affects where you live and where you live is like your castle and you tell us... Mr. Davis: Mr. View*Mayot, Dr. Wallace has also made a special trip here from Philadelphia and cannot be here tomorrow aad t would like to make some input at this point... Mr. nutter: There's no way we can hear this tomorrow. This is a resolution. Is that two readings or one? Mr. Grassier One. Mr. Plummer: Well,why can't we go ahead and hear it, put off the vote until the Mayor has had the opportunity to hear the tapes and then have a vote. That way we can accommodate, I think, everyone. Rev. Gibson: Alright, let me make sure that our citizeas are in accord. Ladies and gentlemen, what Mr. Plummer has suggested is that we proceed. That we will give the Mayor the opportunity to have the tapes played to hear and then having had the tapes played, that we would then vote. Is that alright with you? Does anybody object to that? Alright, nobody seems to object, let's have .t. Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute. Are we going to go into 18? ars. Gordon: That's 18. Rev. Gibson: That's 18 we're talking about now. Mr. Plummer: How about a 5 minute break? Mr. Davis: Rev. Gibson number i3. are several he's right, Or would ycu like to take number 9 before this, Mr. Vice -Mayor?? : Well he wants to take a 5 minute break,we'll take a 5-minute break. Alright The City is on at this point. 4.3 that right? J.L.,pointed out that there people waiting and that we postpone #9 for the convenience, and think Mr. .+oe McManus: Mr. Vice -Mayor, members of the Cortmi.as;.on. my nate is Joe McManus, Chief Advanced Planning, City of Miami Planning Department. tit appearing here in place of Mr. Richard Fasrloea, Planning Director, who is out of town on City business. Today it is my distinct pleasure to present to the Commission, for adoption with modifications. the '!ia i Comprehensive Neighborhood flan. This plan provides policy guidelines for the development of the City until 1986. It was initiated as early ea 1973 as the Commission initially allocated funds from Federal geve;lue Sharing. A more intensive period commenced in April 19+5 and for the e=auiag 18 months. there was an intensive effort on the part of the planing Department. Consultants, ltants, Planning Advisory 3oard, at serous aittaens groups and individuals and that atfort enae4, oasi,oaily, . oototer of 197o. :;is plan responds to the local overnment Comprehensive Planning Aot of 1978 as enao.Ted by the nori..4a teg:.slatu*e and the ►ei y Code rrovi4tug a14. requl,red elements excepts Capi.tAl 1mProvement pt: gram and seuetal opt*onal elements under that State 4'=4t, November of 1978, hie p1€ t1 was forwarded for review and comment to the Stets of Florida Piv StQh of State ? 1a?^,niog, the 5ureeu of Coastal Z94e4 Plaaning, department of `,atural aeo Roses the $oath ' o€tda Regignal ?=arming Ceungli the Da4e county nenni`•.g Depert1tcrt ia rho !sulfa of Coral Cables end giel,oa ?, Febrvnry of ship ;'oaf's this Co anion responded to the comments of those agencies. Also, in February of this year, the Planning Advisory Board recommended adoption of the plan with modifications to the Commission. This plan is flexible and will be reviewed periodically. The purpose of this presentation today is tto-fold. First, to present the telling features of the plan and secondly, to request the Commission to adopt the plan with modifications. To begin our presentation... Mr. Plummer: Don't misunderstand me but the second request that you have, it ie understood, or at least I think it's understood, that there is not going to be an adoption of this plan today. That until the Mayor has had the opportunity to hear the tapes, whether it's scheduled for next week or next month, I, for one, want to give him the opportunity to hear the tapes, give any input, Modifications, if you may, and then we will take a final vote. So I don't want it misunderttood that people who sit here, as we're going to, and hear this and when no vote is taken, be tad about it,so I want it understood. Rev. Gibson: W'e11 that was agreed to, Mr. Plummer. Mr. Plummer: Okay, t'm just putting it on the record. Mr. McManus: To begin our presentation, I would next like to introduce Mrs. Grace Rockafellara Chairperson of the Planning Advisory Board. Mrs. Rockefeller. Mrs. Rockefeller: Mr. Vice -Mayor, members of the Commission, I'm Grace Rockefella+r, I live at 814 N.E. 71st Street and I'm Chairperson of the Miami Planning Advisory Board. On October 6, 1976, the Planning Advisory Board unanimously moved to recommend that the City Commission transmit the Miami Comprehensive Neighborhood Plan to certain state, regional, county and municipal agencies. Be- fore making that recommendation, the Miami Planning Advisory Board sponsored an extensive citizens participation process. In November and December of 1975, the Planning Advisory Board sponsored 6 public meetings throughout the City for the purpose of discussing the problems and the opportunities in the planning district. Approximately 200 citizens attended these public hearings. At the time of the community -wide hearings, the audience was requested to sign up on a district Citizens Advisory Committee. From December 1975 through March 1976, 19 of these committee meetings were held in the various parts of the City to discuss various plans and proposals with the Planning Department and the Consultants. Approximately 275 people attended these Committee meetings. To facilitate the interaction with these committees, members of the Planning Advisory Board acted as liaison members. Mrs. Mary Liptonstein served a liaison. member to the Model Cities, the N.E.: Mrs. Selma Alexander served as liaison. member to the central area by Brickellt Mr. Searl Smith served as liaiion to the central area, Wynwood and .CuLmer. Mr. William Role served as liaison =ember to the Coconut Grove,Shennandoah and Mrs. Ofelia Fernandez served as ..liaison member to Little Havana. Mr. Isodore Borhoff served as a liaison member to Flagami and Mr. Frank Dannenberg served as liaison member to Allapattah. The Planning Advisory Board then sponsored a second series of district- wide meetings in March and April of this year to receive the input on the planning proposals. Approximately 170 people attended the second round of public hearings. In addition to the required legal ads for these meetings, letters were sent out to all the citizens who signed up for the Advisory Committees,informing them of the meetings. Informational posters were distributed through school children notifyingtheir parents of the meetings. Media -talk shows featured Planning Board members discussing the planning process on local radio and T.V. stations. Both the Miami herald and the El Miami Herald carried background articles on the plan. Now, Mr. Vice -Mayor ,and ladies and gentlemen of the Commission, based on the enersive participation and public exposure which this planning process has received, the Plmraing Advisory Board recommends the City Commission. after the Mayor has heard the tapes, to adopt this plan. Now I've given you the facts and the figures in as brief an order as I could on this. Now I'd Like to get into our part of the story, what we call the "human side" of the story. There are several on our Board, Mary Liptonstein, Selma Alexander and myself that have been involved with this City for over 20 years. Nothing like this has ever happened before. We feel that this is the greatest public relations effort that has ever been established between the citizensof the City of Mismi and the representatives of the City of Miami, When we first went into this, and of course this was achieved by the hard work and the dedication of every member of the Planning Department, the consultants, the sub -consultants and of cgurse our own Planning Advisory Board. When we fiat went into the areasof holding these meetings, we were met with skepticism, People Punt didn't believe it, they thought we had a gimmick. They couldn't believe that we're gdin$ 11 there and sit down, the City of Mi4Mi is coming to theft. saying =-vca rsli us what your Problem are, who; yoi r goals are and what you think ve can do to help ys': With a lot ofencouragement; on the part of our . 3oard, the people soon regained their confidence. They vet willingly came to the m gTQPhone, they looked forward to 40 being there meeting after meting, the crowds grew larger end the people were eager to stand up and talk to us. We feel that we made friends almost on a first -name basis with all these people. Now,1 cot:tend every member of the Planning Department, I commend every consultant and the sub- nsultants but Molt surely commend my eolleagtites on the Planning Advisory Board. The Board, as I had mentioned awhile ago, we divided the City into six sections. Now as a board, we met on the average of onte a week for about 15 months. Then each Board member, meeting with the citizens groups in their own area, also net They had a number of meetings with those citizens so about S Meeks out of every month, we were holding two meetings a week. I've had the privilege throughout my long life, being involved in public service, of working with many, many groups but I don't think t'Ve ever had the pleasure of working with a finer group than the Planning Advisory Board members. They gave very freely of their time, unselfishly of their time. No distance was too great, no hour was too long and many, many nights we were there until 11:00, 12:00 and 1:00 in the morning, We stayed as long as any citizen had anything to say or any question to be answered, we were there to serve them. 5o we certainly urge that this plan is adopted because there's a lot of us, there's a lot of the Planning Department, there's a lot of the consultants and certainly a lot of the citizens to this plan and t want to thank you very much. Mrs. Gordon: t'd like. to say something to Grace. t want to say how proud I am of you and ail of those persons who make up the Planning Advisory Board and since we worked so hard to get that Board born in 192, I feel like it has all been worthwhile just having you there and doing the kind of job that you're doing. Mrs. Rockafeller: Well we thank you, too, Commissioner Gordon, for those remarks. We're doing our best to make you think that our Board is worthwhile, we feel it is, Mr. McManus: 1 would now like to present to the Commission, Dr. David Wallace, principal, Mr. Boris Dramov,partner,in the consulting fir of Wallace, McHarg, Roberts & Todd. Let me indicate to the Commission that 1 think you'll be able to see the plan and we do have handouts for the Material that is facing the audience. We will have the 8 by 11 handouts to cover that. Dr. Wallace. Dr. David Wallace: Vice -Mayor, Commissioners and Mayor Ferre-when you're listening ladies and gentlemen, would like to... My name is David A. Wallace, I am partner in the firm of Wallace, Mcltarg, Roberts & Todd ,of Miami, Florida, who are your prime sub -consultants or prime consultants in the preparation of the plan. In addition to Mr. Dramov,'who will speak in a minute, I'd like to introduce, for your recognition, Miss Bonnie Fisher who is the environmental planner. The other of our staff who worked on the plan have come back to our office in Philadelphia and are fully prepared to come back down here if you give us some more work, they love Miami. I do want to also mention the sub -consultants and mention their responsi- bility for each of the aspects of the work. For economics, the economic basis for the plan, Hunter, Moss & Co. of Boca Raton ,and Gladstone Associates,of Miami; transportation consultants were the environmental design group of Winterpark, Florida;, zoning consultants are Dr. Ernest Bartley and Blair Abernathy of Gainsville, Florida and social services planning was the responsibility of the Behavioral Science Research Corporation,with Dr. Ladner and Mr. Rosen,of Miami. Mrs. Rockafellar has outlines the process, I an going to describe it in a different dimension. It was a three-phase process in which the first phase was a City-wide emphasis ending up with an interim report and a sketch concept plan, a concept plan that put our thoughts on paper so that when we went into the various neighborhoods and districts we would have something quite concrete to discuss with them and they could see exactly what the City-wide problems were and respond to them in terms of their own definition of the district and neighborhood problems. The six planning districts, then, were studied in depth, as Mrs, Rockafella.r described, and out of that have come six reports and maps and background information which are back-up and more detailed explanatory material for the overall comprehensive plan. We then went heck. in the last six months of the study, to the City-wide scale again, pulling together the various conclusions that have been drawn and the needs that had come out of each of the individual districts and put the together Into a synthesis that has been presented to you from the Planning Board as the overall comprehensive plan. *here was a great heal of citizen participation, much more than simply the two public meetings in each district as Mts. Rockefeller outlined. The products I would like to mention persicul,arly ;one, you have she plan itself which is the single sheet document which has been reproduced in color; secondly, the technical report which has now been transmitted to the various agencies of Dade County, the State and $e on,whioh is a back -op report explaining and going into more detail than the single page can do, =he six district plan reports and then to suPFl.emcntarr' reports - the economic ;wort, the transportation report. the social planning repo€t and the toning report. Out of it also has .tome a. out of the district planning work particularly has cane a list of the needs by district which is a major input into your Capital l revement pro ram whirl# is now is process of consideration by rw• .ik a �,. you. I would else, incidentally, like very much to commend the planning Board for being marvelous people to work with and for, particularly also to emphasize that the plan is a result of a Saint effort, a very effective joint effort, it's e joigt authorship, really, between the ccnaultante and the planning staff itself, most notably Ceerge Acton, Joseph McManus, Mac Schuette, Jack tuft, Ed Lynch and Matilda Fencer. I would also like to mention the very important input we received from the office of the Manager, from Charles Crompton and bend Bpillman. With that, 1 would like to turn the presentation over to my partner, Boris Dramay. Mt. D�ev: Good afternoon, my nerve is Boris bremov and t'm associate partner of Wallace, McIarg, koberts & Todd. The first thing i would like to do is to, for those of you who haven"t had an opportunity to look at the one sheet plan, to go over that briefly with you, look at each one of the elements acid tell you where theytre found. Then 1 would like to get into some more substantialaspects of the plan and briefly discuss the overall, six overall strategies which are proposed in the plan City-wide. On the'first side of the plan, the one with the Colored tap, you see that future land use and transportation elements indicated on the map are the propoeed 1986 residential, eemmertiai, industrial, public and quasiepublic special activities as well as the transportation system and a group of categories specifically designed to fit Virginia ley. In addition, the plan is introduced at the top add reference is made to the Capital Improvements Program and to the Inter -governmental Coordination element. On the reverse side of the plan, the first element that you see is the housing and residential neighborhoods element,— a required element of the State of Florida Local Government Comprehensive Planning Act; a public services and facilities element, -the text to the transportation element, the economic development element, a very important element although not required in the local goverment Comprehensive Act, is included here because of the importance in terms of developing greater job opportunities, strengthening the economic base and improving the overall health of the economy. Recreation and open space element, a required element; conservation and safety element, in- cluding coastal zoned protection; utility elements which include sanitary sewers, solid waste, drainage and potable water elements; and the community design element, which is particularly important in the improvement of the right-of-ways and the public spaces. All of these elements together comprise most of the optional as well as all of the required elements of the local government Comprehensive Planning Act. Nov without going through each one of these elements, let me get into some of the overall strategies which were recommended in the plan and for the Commission we handed out a similar set of maps in •discussion that I will be presenting as the ones that are here on the podium. I do want to mention though, before I even begin, that many of these strategies are further being detailed by the Planning Department, particularly the housing strategies are developed in greater detail now by Mr. Perez, from the Community Development Coordinator and head of Housing, and specific target areas for action are already being selected and implementation is beginning. The first thing we did was we took and looked at the overall condition in each one of the neighborhoods throughout the City. (REFERRING TO MAPS): This map right in here shows what we found. We looked at 21 different indicators of problems associated with neighborhood decline.We found that some areas, such as the ones in white, have very few problems. Other areas, such as the ones that are shown in the darkest color, have a great coincidence of problems within them. Each one of the different kinds of conditions was further classified into basically healthy areas, transitional areas and problem areas. These, then, were related to specific kinds of treatment and program "elements are related to each one of those. The first one, normal maintenance, these are basically healthy areas in the City, the ones that are shown here in green and the first map in your visual -aids, If you continue to provide basic services in these areas. they Will stay that way. Basic services include public serviced basic code enforcement and some strategic high visibility • trees, parks. lighting, etc. The second area are those that are in transition and what we are prescribing is preservation and improvement as being the appropriate treatment. In order to stabi3.ite these areas, visible public improvements, financial and technical assistance must be provided. Examples of programs components and their preservation and improvement are systematic and concentrated code enforcement, technical assistance, financial assistance - both public and private, development of sub -area community organizations, spot clearance, home ownership programs and public improvements. The third area are those that we have classified as service intensive, These are the ones with the major social, economic and physical. problems. In order to transform these areas into healthy residential neighborhoods, major public investments as weal as private commitments redevelopment is a strategy acd hero ;he term is 4sed to indicate both public and dust be made, ples of the ads of program elements underneath this are swill,= 4" training programs, job placement program, social and welfare serviced health maintenance services, day care services, adcicscen a 4rcgra?as €; prevention programs, recreational programs, neighborhood than=up, spot clearance and re= level p t when feasibl-e and appropriate, relocation is insured, In addition, .r F. 'd private redevelopment seeing as how most Of the City has already developed and the areas that are shown an this map generally designate new oppartunttiee fat rode.. veiopmetct, these areas are near Jobe, attenities such as the river or bay and near public transit, However, they require vary ity4degrees of public action in order to properly realize theta. gtamplee of program elements under redevelopment would be land acquleition, alearande and relocation, disposition, public improvements, zoning changes, special taxing districts, tart intremeht financing when available, and tag abatement when available, The next category of treatment are those areas specified in the edotomi.t development element, primarily the downtown, all the industrial areas and any of the commercial areas, They require both public and private actions in order to maintain and expand job opportunities and strengthen the economic base. Examples of camponents under this treatment would be commercial rehabilitation, small business loans, public parking, public improvements, business associations, technical assistance, public relations, job and business development, job placement and skillotraining, catalyst projects such as Watson island and what is already being proposed along the Miami river on the fish and produce market, and redevelopment, the last one of the strategies is dealing with management and these are the areas, the environmental areas, the areas which... these are the primary influence areas of the Coastal zone and need to be carefully tagged in order to maintain and improve the environmental quality ofMiami's unique coastal resources. Exattples of program elements under this category are shoreline improve.. gent, marina development and the City Planning Department is already 'Proving ahead oft that aspect: recreatiot and tourist -oriented development development of public access both physical and visual; preservation of shoreline and baybottom vegetation; removal of derelict boats and debris from Miami River and canals. Thank you very much and I'd like to now turn this back over to 1r. McManus. Mr. McManus: Mr. Vice -Mayor and members of the Commtission, as a result of the long, involved review and comment process before state, regional and county agencies and as a result of a close scrutiny of the plan, we, the Planning Department has suggested to the 'Planning Advisory Board and, in turn, the Planning Advisory Board has included in their recommendations to you a series of modifications. Approxi- mately half of these modifications are in the order of housekeeping. In other words, we had certain misspellings. I don't want to take your time by dwelling on those. Let me just address myself. briefly to the more substantive modifications. The first of these, and these modifications are included in your agenda package immediately following the proposed resolution, the first of these, and perhaps Mt. Schwartz could point to this, is a designation of property one-half block east of Miami Avenue between S.E. l5th Road and S.E. 13th Street as residential, is changed to special use as part of the "see Brickell Office" area. We think that this makes a more rational and logical boundary line. The second of these clarifies the intention of the required elements as required by the State Act. This is in regard to a restatement of a sentence saying that the plan consists of all required elements. We're clarifying that by adding the line "accepting a Capital Improvement Program to be appended subsequently and certain optional elements" and then continuing on with that, making it clear that we are going to submit a capital improvement program at a later date to further spell out the economic assumptions. Again, that is part of the text. Under the transportation element, we are restating a sentence to make it clear that the transportation improvements are the result of two ongoing studies. The Dade County Transit Improvement Program and the Miami Urban Area Transportation Study Update and that this plan will be coordinated with those aforementioned, ongoing studies. The next modification had to do with clarifying the responsibility and authority for the Port of Miami and Miami International Airport. We're adding a paragraph under the transportation element saying that plans. programs and operation of the Port of Miami and Miami International Airport are the responsibility of Metropolitan Dade County, the Dade County Comprehensive Development '.aster Plan is 43 appropriate reference document, 144 are clarifying further, under the conservation and safety element, that the flood protection plan generally included under the FriA's flood protection insurance, To that it should also he added that the Miami Civil Defense Plan, updated through 1976, provides operational guidelines for the protection of persons in the event of disaster, The final modifications have to do with further clarifying the capability of Florida 'over 4 Light to supply power to the City and the location of sub -stations, In other words, the line paragraph, as rammed, woul..d road; "Florida Power 6 Light (? L) has prepared a plan in confornance with the Florida Zl.ect:ical Power Plant Setting ,act and can adequately provide electrical to this City through 1966," end adding, "although ough additional local distribution facilities, subvststions tiny be roqui.tod with City approval." Along with that, in regard to the location of avib=stet icons. a restatement of the sentence, ,,F1'6L substations should preferably he located is :ton -residential ar=as and where they will not disrupt the continuity cf retail WOO." Finally, lot Me conclude the Presentation by recalling to you the words of the eminent professor Charles ?'err was was former TJrdet'rf.e-norm of H when he referred is the Comprehensive Flo as an inpermanent constitution, We v¢sualite this p sn as beira$ 401e4t tp ohmage and Chet mange i3 built into the 146 State enabling legislation and the current peoviaiona of the City, Code, Let me retail to you the current provisions of the State Aot, that is, the Florida toeal Government Compre.htesive Planning Art State itt regards to plans that all development undertaken by governmental agencies in regard to land davared by such a plan shall be consistent with this plan► Secondly, that all land development regulations enacted or amended shall be consistent with the adopted Comprehensive Plan. And finally, that no land development regulation shall bete adopted by the governing body until such regulation has been referred the local planning agency, that is, the Planning Advisory Beard, for their review and recommendation. As 1 said, planning is continuous and ongoing, references have been made to a Capital Improvetient rogram, one aspect of that will be taken up by the Commission in a workshop tomorrow morning. We have currently, under contract, as consultants, Dr. Ernest Bartley, Mr. Pred Bear, who have been working approximately 4 or months thus fat on revising the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance and we expect that Dr. Bartley or Mr. Bear will take an appearance shortly before the Commission to tell you of their progress and of course the Planning Department is pursuing its efforts, in citizen participation and in detailing out at a neighborhood level,the various recommendations contained in the plan. Mr. Vice -Mayor, that concludes our presentation. Thank you. Rev. Gibson: tet the ask a couple of questions for the record. 1 heard what you said but t want you to say it again. The people of this community, all of the people of this community, have had an opportunity to have input into this proposed plan. Is that what you're telling me? Ir. McManus: That is correct. Rev. Gibson: Alright, sir, that's Number one. Number two, I hope we are not boxed in or limited to the extent that future expansion or a variety is not being accomplished. See, I'm not the authority, you're the expert, I want you to tell me for the record. I want you to tell me, I'm not speaking for the others, I want to know. Mr. McManus: Mr. Vice -Mayor, let me say that we have approached this plan very carefully with the objective of providing theCommission with a broad policy statement to try and avoid the problem that you are raising so that we do not become committed to specifics rather to general policy. Rev. Gibson: Alright, I just want to make sure. See, I -heard what you said and I read what you said but I want to make sure that the record reveals that I raised the question and that if I couldn't pick it out, that's what you are for, to make sure that I... Okay? Now the third thing is, ever so often, because of the variety or the change in our minds, ..for instance, that sewerline is not large enough, you understand what I mean? I wonder if the people who plan in that direction for us, they have had input into this plan. Is that right? Mr. McManus; That is correct. Rev. Gibson: Alright, now the final question is, as I si; here ever so oaten, everybody is saying, I need power, I need telephone and everybody says. you know, you put that power, that sub -station elsewhere, don't put it is my place, where I am. If we should change our roads and instead of going with what you wrote there, my question is, somewhere I read that Florida Power & Light is mandated, has to furnish me with power. Am I right on that? lan't that the way 'wt is! Mr. McManus; I believe so. 74e, Gibson: It's close to it, it may not be exact but it's close to it. I want to know if Florida Power & Light people had en cpgortunity to have some input and if they were asked to do just whet I an now wage€ned about, w'hirwtheir response •could be. Mr, ticMen s; In answer ZO that. :let me say that we had meetings with reyreeentatives of the Florida ower 4 Light, we have roads 49 dettaih t►odifieatL6Ba. PP&t may hot agree in detail pith all of those modificatiots as fie have suggested and there is a tepresen= tative of pletide. Power aid Light in the audience whe caw state their positioft if you care to tali oh hitt% Rev. dibsott: Alright, that's Florida Power & tight. :What about gouthet Bell/ t don't work or theca, incidetrtally, but t know t have to use ghat they have to sell and t lust thought t better ask the questions. Mr. McManus: Rev. Gibson: Mr. McManus: with them but cannot say. Rev. Gibson: propose to do have anything As far as t know, Southern Bell has no problem with... Did they have any input/ They were afforded the opportutity, we have talked note ,whether specifically they were at meetings. 1 1 see. :low ►t don't know what my fellow Commissioners but if those people are here and anybody else would to say... Mr. Plummer: As 1 understand this document, not only did we have to do it to comply with the late, but it's something that wewanted to do and needed to do but so that no one has an!: false ingressions that this is the Mayor, and I hate to quote the Mayor especially when he's not here, this is not chiseled in concrete, that's a con- flict of interest, not chiseled in stone , that this is a document which is a utopia that if followed as closely as possible will give the best results for a better City but it is not so cast that it can't be altered and changed as times change. Is that a fair statement? Mr. McManus: Yes, it is, Commissioner, and you are quite right in your opening remark. This Commission started funding for this plan in 1973, far ahead of the consideration of the Florida Legislature in enacting the Comprehensive Planning Act,which vas in 1975. Secondly, this plan can be amended in fact we expect that it will be ascended as times change. The Comprehensive Planning Act requires that the Planning Department and the Local Planning Agency, that is, the Planning Advisory Board, report back to you at least once every 5 years on the status of this and what changes need to be made. We expect that we will be reporting back to you much more frequently than that and making certain recommendations on this. Mr, Plummer: Alright, the other question that I have, because I guess I must be color-blind. Would you explain, and I have a particular interest here and I'll admit it, the colors as they exist on Virginia Key? Mr. McManus: Perhaps Mr. Dramov could,.. Mr, Plummer: I see a grayish -blue area. Is that the sewerage disposal plant? Sir. Dramov: Yes. it is. Mr, Plummer: Okay, now what is the difference in the different t.,alors of glee»' Mr. wirazov; .he fir?'!, the aticn :one and ;you can find 4usb west of ;he sewerage t lightest [LW.or, 14 3 '♦ cons rvatlo-1ec +e- that in ;his portion of Virginia Key eatment plant. Mr. • T mme r ; YY a q1 hcw whet f$ 4 co nsa!: w a t!on- F e!et r eM ;ion? Is that w what h ere you sit with binoculars and watch birds and nothing more s trEnc:4u. 7 is it? ="tr. Dramov; T1.'Tts 1-5. '-+Floe area and it primarily desi;nates the.• AgiAt4A4Ace i tie 11',i=gro;e 41th0i a 4 ;i4.1i.€'l444 14aT44tit-4T141 4e.4 within that area which would net disturb the. e istf14$ V4$44 .44, 7T' . • Mr. P .';gt:ae ; Save you ''een to Moat area' Aire Mr. bramovt ?est t have been in moat of the areas in Virginia day Mr, Plummer: Rot.fwould you use that arta if you dn't disturb soma of the manqraves because you can't qet tait Mr. Dramovt Well you could uge. some of it for boating purposes... Mr. Plummer: I'll ask you again, have you been there? Mt. Dtsmovt rani say specifically to that area. Mr, Plummer: The obvious answer is "no", you haven't been there. No way you're going to do what you want to do because the tatet is less than a foot deep. Then, if t understand what you're saying correctly, you're not going to do anything with it, it's going to be a destiSerVatiOft area, it's going to stay natural and it's not going to be used for anything else because if you don't put a road to it, you can't get to it. That's why t'a asking the questions. Mr. Dramov! Okay, shall t go on to the other areas? Mr. Plummer: Yes, please do. Mt. Dramov: The next color is marine recreational, and that's in this area here and it covers most of the beach areas. Xr. Plummer: Which we don't own. Mr. Dramov: well, some of them you do. Mr. Pluumert No, sir, not the beach area. We don't own any of that there that you've got marked. Only on the east side, not on the south side. Mr. Dramov: I'm pointing to the east side. M. Plummer: That's what I'm saying, sir. We don't own any of that, sir, that's all owned by the County. Xr. Dramov: Jack, could you help me out. Jack was very much involved in the preparation of this section of the plan. 51 414Frt ly w, deck tuft: Of Miami., you're right, the gouty does own, even though it is within the City Mr, Plummer: t1o, it's not, iaek tuft: Well) the it limit line extends down here, tverythinq you see in color Up here is in the city limits, ok z But the shore line albtlg here, portions of this are awned by the County. Mr. Plummer: There is na share line Mere. Mr. tuft: Well) where the land Meett the water, that's what I call a shore, ok? here it beach front along this ehare line here. Mr. Plummer: Not in the city limits .lack. Mr. tuft: Well, I can't argue with you, 1 can say that there is beach there. Mr, Plummer: Gee, I sure hope you can argue with me, because if you can't who it/ Mr. tuft: Well... Mr. Plummer: It is ray understanding if I'm not incorrect and 2 stand corrected, that the city limit line is SO feet frctn the road going to the Sewerage Plant, am 1 right or wrong? Mr. tuft: The city limit line follows the access road. Mr. PlUMmert Where the Seacuarium pack? Mr. tuft: The Seaquarium is right here. Mr. Plummer: Is that the city limits? Mr. Luft: No sir. .1r. Plummer: Doesn't it show on your map that it is? Mr. Luft: No it doesn't. The city's limit line comes across here, it follows along the south line right along the stadium, the :Marine Stadium, ok, along the very edge of the basin. It extends straight down from that line to the access road,to the treatment plant. Mr. Mummer: You aren't confusing now, property line with... Mx. Luft: :.o, I't talking about incorporated city limit lines. and it goes along the centerline, or the westline of that road to a point where my finger is, approximately off the north shore of the basin. Come south to where the parking area is on Virginia Key leach, come straight across there to the shoreline here, south to the centerline of Sear Cut Channel and then follows this line up here to Norris Cut. Mr, Plummer: I sure hope you're right and I'm wrong. what you're saying is then the beach right behind the UM School and the uma Station is in the city limit? Mr. :.sat: This beach right across her, from the point here Virginia Key leach where the bathing occurs, from that point to the bridge is in the County. where the cars, now, drive along .he beach and there's a kihd of ad hoc usage all the ,yes z^ihto the little channel way up to the north. t at..'s in the city limits. might point ...,« for purposes ;ere to assist Mr, Dramov that the designation of corser ration recreetion was thought of ..n the terns that you're suggesting it but much n the terms t et the a; .onai Parks System zonsiders the entire .:atronal Park a recreational area, they certainly have areas within their p ark' s system, as does the state, that they ma3;e C effect to provide ingress to, but t,:ey ,.o consider them to be ::sua ;5le 7 us t in :he terms that 71za P mentioned, such as bird watching. Now, have been ankle Xeep in the area t.}':ar :io4 spoke cf,, ar , unfortunately from the litter,: yen attest t :e fact that many other people are there too, ;anceinc- and genera* participation and the activities in there may be termed 'recreation', but it's oerta .nty net Meant to he save,loped, ConservationConggrvation is the lied word anP it's z the woad the.+' s s t eSSec h that '=oint, m'. Tl=rter; C.re th04ga•,F: 4414 fortywse'Ftn a^r'res Pf the ;eater -net':rr3 reeovrces waste that we have., Virginia Key, Tether ' i A'cn; Can we !war frem., , f ere yY1,1 throwherr? Cah we veer from, 24*/ the reel esgtare people or the er P"'e- Pitigg , the Florida Power 4 L;g t l'omp4 y or the gottthern Beii, of you kiidw, fro particular order, we jtist wart to get your reeporise s$ that nobody could say that We didn t t det it all around, you ktto i4 ee Mr, James V toyett,Jr.t tom Vice president of the Allen Morrie CoMpany, 1660 trickeli Ave, We have been interested ih this planning process ever time it dofffnefopd and have been involved in it to a degree. There is a part of this that t think is a real eoneertt to tie acid that is we hate mentioned that this oou d be changed through* out, in other words, it is sothitg that will be changed as needed in the future but there are else certain things in the very document iteeif end if you would refer to the part of the plan whieh mentioned implementation and it says that the :rate Comprehensive planning Act of 1S7S requires that the plan be adopted by July i, i0/0, and that this plan have legal status, and in ,.hat, and it has a quotation mark, "no bubic or private development shall be permitted except in conformity with the Comprehensive Plans or elements or portions thereof; and then it goes oti further to say ' that in order to fully implement this plan the following actions are required. And, the first item is the revision of the existing land use controls end regulatory measures and adoptions. end, it says that the future land use element is not an official zoning tttap, Then it says,"present ordinances must be revised and tone maps by an additional process already initiated by the Miami City planning bepartme1ie Well, it would seem to me from this wording, that once this plan is adopted that all future development would have to be in accordance with this plan and that according to the very thing here that toning ordinances will be changed to content with this plan. So, this is why we're concerned that this plan be what we want it to be at the time it's adopted, because any deviation from this plan is going to have rile standing up here looking at you again before I get the opportunity to do anything or build any buildings. Father Gibson: Sir, :r. Royett►fir. yes, I Would like to ... rather Gibson: I'm sorry. .•tr. eoyett, eat I would like to address myself to a specific: area on the Ilan azta thee cot seneteits+.. that I have in mind. I would like to point out the area from , the Brickell area, from the river to 15th Road. That entire area with the exception of the one point down there— / think there's area there that's currently zoned R-CS which is fully developed, I don't believe there's any vacant land in that point out there, it's all developed as apartments --but the other area in there, they currently have R-CH zoning on most of the property and R-Cl on some of the other property. There is a little of the property in the N.W. corner there that is zoned business. But I'm not really addressing myself as much to that as I am to property that's currently zoned R-CB and R-C1. This plan shows part of it as what they call'a Brickell Office area'and the other part as, one other part as the Brickell Transient Area, and then the residential, .... high density residential. The present RCS ordinance and the present RC1 ordinance provide for a mix of housing, offices, and other commercial uses that are compatible with these specific uses. The Brickell Area is developing into an outstanding area and if we have the full cooperation of this Commission and this Planning Department as we have had in the past we think this is going to be the financial center of this hemisphere. It is our feeling that instead of just saying that an office building should go on Brickell Avenue and an apartment should go east of 3ayshore Drive on the Bay, that the entire area should be a Brickell special district; and, appropriate zoning and regulations for that area provide the current mix. Possibly even some expansion ofthemix. This is, I think, important because it is currently developed mixed. On Brickell Avenue, there are motels, there are apartment houses, there are office buildings. On the Bay side there is currently office buildings, hotels, apartments. I don't think to just say that everything east of Beyshore should be residential, and that everything on Brickell Avenue should be office buildings i3 desirable fer the development of the area. Mrs, or'4on: I want tc question that too, because I 'Know that the Fear Ambassadors which felts into that category is a mixed use building. Mr, Boyett,Jr. ; That's correct, and then you also haee ehe General 1evelcpznent Building. Mrs, Cordon; .nd, of course, he General, and that is on the east side. Which one of the Planners would answer me with regard to your reasons for giving it to 4s the way you helm? Are e us; M.te ,,,, Vice Mayor and ehe members of the Gemmission, 'row have it yew agenda folders a letter from Mee Philip $e4rle Fo the Planning Director dated April loth and also at Zawited t9 that yeu have a response thee represents the Planning 1e¢ cremeis plcLice gn the re est as presentedby, 3oyett, rirse9f ail, it ie YT .;se, aQsei'le end indeed apteresee 4s4.pregtiKl1ett7C!•r4rthis plan will ;4* Kmended= :T's AO that difficult. if,fgr example, sogehiee were being hen pd it e zoning ordin roe, *Eat `+�++ al4 be z IMRtpan&or', reolilutign emerdirg the 91an txhe fame t�1�� t - , , .,�g4r• z4 to r.og ton bop, w i14' 4 4 'Q4 ' • b45Si, dOrg 4 4 n'4 4 t�g1 C`��'�#e s+^X�l7C�{ a,xx e+a Z 464 b i •lding tz 411 intants 41Q F644745@sf ;t t = ho el=:be only b'9ffioe b il;lir;q ;h4; 53 • w4. paftiCulat area eXtehding out to the tayfrOftt it gehetil deVeldlAtaht, tot the feat Of the tayfront hotth &Mir: peiht td) the rivet it OtedoMihantly hael, residential, and or doutte, thee is the proposed develomeht Of the hotel at the mouth of the Mali AiVet, The Waal policy apreased ih the plan it that the optimuM gAd of those tayfront lands it to ehCOUtage retidehtial until use dapatle of dapitali2ing on Water ateaat aftenitiet and view and that the polity eXpretted by the Efidkeli office Area is tO Odhdehttate the office developMeht along tritkell, and thereby Strengthen that, tt should be palmed dut that oh the particular tract in question is Outtehtly tohed which allows date a wide variety of uses, ft seems to utaathat itirepresentihq the dinning bepartmeht, that it would be pretatute at the pretaht point in. time td) thange what seem A td ut tb be a tatiohaloaduhd polity for deVelOpMeht,' mrs. Corder You think it's a rational sound polity fdr developmeht e tataih it the way you've teed:Mended it, is that what you're saying Mr. Md Mahut: Yet COMMittiaher C,Ordoft, Mr, toyett, ..trit May I just say ohe thing and t411 tit down and defer tO sOtedhe eitte the thing that concern us is that although this an be changed ". t read that part abdut the iMpletehtatiOh acid the effect of this ordinance and I think that we heed to try tO avoid the situation at having everytime sotethihg is done in atea Cale to the Planning or toning Board and the City Commission and so forth for aatiaho hopeful y we could haVe an ordinance that permitted an orderly development Or reaideVelopteht or Whatever you want tO say of the area without that being nedeSsary, And, that's what was hoping to say and 1 thinkthere are othera here that would like to speak tO it. Thank you. Dr. walia,tet t didn't feel very comfortable with the answer to the question you asked, which was what was the reason we did it the way we did it? °tit of the 13 months experience,One of the overwhelming needs that niami has is for high quality residential. In our previous work in the bowntown Plan, the sate universal attitude was we've got to hang onto what good residential we have and we've got to get more good residential. And, our conclusion was that by and large in a location like this, the office commercial opportunity would chase the residential tut and therefore a place to put the residential is on the 3ayshore and in effect, instead of having a nix use that the present zoning allows,which in reality does not end up as a mix use. we say in effect, that the Bayshore part of it should be residential, and. the) !Aric),:r111 part of it shculd be commercial, - Now, that's our reason. Mr. Plummer: What is the bright purple? Co I understand that to be special use? Mrs. Gordon: What is special use? 'Sr. plummer Special is a specific designation of residential, commercial and industrial. Is that correct? t.nder residential', commercial and industrial, would a Convention Center go in there? Well, the reason I'm asking, : wouldn't interpret under residential, commercial, or industrial that a Convention Center falls under any of those categories. My mistake. Mrs. Gordon: Commercial. ... I think we ought to us the microphone The Mayor is going to have a hard time hearing what you're saying. mt. Pramov; Yes, the Convention Center would be allowed under that use. mt. Plummer; The question really was,we know where we're sting to put a Con*.'entiOn Center. =c, they know and iS it part of this plan, cr. are we goino to have to ttme back and adcpt thiS plan to put our own Cbhvention Center, that's the.ollasti=? Mr. ramcv; The ConVent•ich Center is even specifically refe.tred omine back of '411e ,:4n =de the Zconomic Cevelopment Zlement as beng one of the act'4.On$ whioh is hot onlyw Plummer; 1' sUre hate to see nhe City of Xiami he the $7:4 ,ari. htea%er of the plan. soh; ;aright fiX, Nr4'.nove liudFnr; Father, vice Mayor, memers of ;he Commiasion, my name i Zteve ';iudePn, T.'m Viot*Itairman of ttg litord of Ylagehi lianks,:hoprporatad aankhole,ino! m., !A tow mih4tei 4go, yqw, 4z44;44t;'..QA w44 4izegted w 4 letter in olii" folder from M4'. 7t147.443 ;56447;e, *IQ i. an 4gaeciae of mihe, who w4f qr,44;4 tO 4"-'4 here today and : mi7ht add that the response_from the Plarhihg ;epartment has -ngt yet reeohad our .7-ffioes4 ace ; learned here pf the,apparently4 staff reaotich, 219; fully qndery standihq it tut 4:so It,! 4;14 ir. aPPreg,1,4til.,NI for Your time. T.'d like 7.8 nmin'; c''t te!' 4 you that by and large we believe that .ire, Rookafeiar and the Planning toard and the eta have done aft exceptiori. job. Several tiles itst been Said here today that thin is geheral,rot specific, In the area of Bridkell Avenue and specifically the area that Mr, Searles letter raters top t submit to you that it is in faet very apecifid. We are the owners of ewe eight scree, just immediately north of 8th Street, weep Of the Bay, and east of Brickell Avenue, bounded er the north by a dhurch, phis property does hot have an extension of tayshore Drive whioh dead ends at the property and it would appear to us that perhaps certain of the logic that made a distindtion between the property. toning, east of Bayshore as opposed to west of tayshore does not apply in this one parcel of land, which is hot intersected by any public thoroughfare, t would also submit that the surrounding development oh all tides including the spediai purple that you see for Claughton Island would make this a residential island,as it were and not perhaps desirable from a neighbor standpoint. What we are tuggeating to this Commission is that while we re- atixe that there Aron -middies after the fact that perhaps an exceptional Modification should be considered prior to adoption very much like that recommended first by staff having to do with the area of the Southeast 15th f ad, In that modification, as t understand it, you were taking a contiguous parcel,intersected however, by an open aiey,if my knowledge of the area is correct,and conforming it to a single toning, We would recommend that you do this in this one parcel, which is bounded by 8th,tridke1l, the Bay, and the Churoh. It eeei'ns to us to make a great deal of sense. We do have commercial development South of us so that you would have a natural present limitation to the residential development and we would urge you to consider this very carefully before adopting this plan. Father 'absent Alright, did we hear from the utility people, I did not hear anybody? Mr. Warren Fox: Air. Vice -Mayor, members of the City Commission, thank you for this opportunity to express what t believe is of most vital concern. My nave is Warren Cox and I'm the Miami District Commercial Manager for the Florida Power & Light Company. My concern relates to present provisions in the utility element section of the Miami Comprehensive Neighborhood Plan 1976-1986. The present wording indicates that," Florida Power & Light Company, FP & L has prepared a plan in conformance with the Florida Electrical Power Plant Siting Act and can adequately provide electric power to the city through 1986". In order that we can fulfill this adequacy of electric power,I am pro- posing the following modifications be added to this section. "It is recognized that the ability to provide reliable electric 'service to existing and future customers and dev- elopments at the lowest practical cost, necessitates flexibility in location, configur- ation, and'operation of all facilities required. to provide such service as mandated by law. .Mutual effort should be made by the City and Florida Power & Light Co, to insure that the future energy needs of the City will be met as they arrive. I would also like to recommend modifications to item 5, under the Utility Element Action Section. "Required sub -stations and other facilties such as generation, transmission distribution, service repair centers shall be considered unusual use and permitted in any use area category and shall be deemed consistent with this Comprehensive Plan. Secondly, land use and ether regulations adopted pursuant to the Comprehensive Plan shall weigh the economic cost involved for customers of Florida Power & Light Company. Third, underground, distribution facilities will be provided where conditions satisfy the economic engineering and operating recuirement;of Florida Power & Light Co. I do have a few copies of these I'd like to distribute to the members. Father Gibson; Alright sir. Mr. Plummer: Make sure the Planners get a copy. :Sr. Warren Fox; Thant you very much sir, Father Gibson; Alright, do we hear from the Southern Eell..,are they here? Mr. :4c Moue ; Mr. 'lsce•Mayc:, may tust make a comment on the vresentation by z':.orida Power &Light? Father Gibson; Ck, Mr, mo due ; ,;s you know. we have taisen considerable effort co reduge t;e t..1xt 4n4 to keep this plan general, 1 thin4 devoting this 4MOU= of space eP provisions, whereas, it is solely for the benefit of Florida Power s Light, sort of slants the entire plan. and : tc in4 the same intent of which they wiser a 4CCOMPliPh asss:omplished by sear present proposed mcdifis:et;;er+, fsR.tx; Oiboct ; ,. Alr gfit, Mr. Plummer; Well, let me elvnerctQ 744 .since we're not going is 'let '!,n P tod.=s','/ Ar# going nest the two of you sit downdown4 since ',she; r ',> n4eenand yiu ro sty Wig v 1111 accothp ish by a tddifidaMft. `you want to cut down dot the wording. So, why dbit't he two of you sit down and cote up with a wording that accomplishes the grid What you need and than before we Vote oh it we can tttodify it to that a ktet"it. tfr, HcNanug We`' 11 do that Cot` Missionet . Mr. Pluto er: You know, you both in agreement froth what you tell Mr.MtManus: We'll do just that Cott issioner. rather Gibson:Peautiful. Anybody else hat a sitiilar concern' Ok, please, Mr, Flutter: rather, let file interject one thing here. Father dibsen: Ok► Mr, Plummer: t don't want anybody to come back at a later date and I'Mit disturbed that Southern Bell is t'iot here. I would like it to be a pint of the Administration that they contact Southern tell and make sure that their absence here today is that of consent. And, I can live with that. Put I just want t5 :crake sure, I don't them coming back here screating nest year that well,we didn't have the opportunity, so... Father Gibson: We don't need to assuttte . Mx. PluMMer t Just make sure. Father Gibson: tight. And, we'd like a report back saying that you have specifically contacted .iohn Ooe and Southern Sell and this is their reaction. Mr. P1unL"lert No, Father, Joe Coe works Florida Power & Light Co. Father Gibson: I'm sorry, ma'am go right cn. Ms. Cevasco: Thank you. Honorable Vice Mayor, and Commissioners. My name is Ida Marie Cevasco. 1 live at 3725 S.W. 1st Avenue in the City cf Miami, zip code is 32145. I have lived there for 25 years. My concern is regarding Florida Power & Light. After 2 had lived on my property 10 years and the Toimer Sub -station was installed there. Now, would you please clarify this for me, since I have been a past victim, I'tt doing tris to protect other people who live in this city, who may not know the...what shall I say ,the goings ch. After all ,the average person does not know. Now, what do they mean"and where they will not disrupt the continguity of retail uses': What is meant by retail uses? Father Gibson: Sir, she is talking to you. You have to answer. ;ls. Cevasco: Well, whoever wrote this up. Father Gibson: No, no, he's going to answer. He's going to answer, oh yes. Mr. Warren Fox: On a script, a commercial script, that is one of the major arterials throughout the city, there are a series of stores, which house commercial uses. Father Gibson: Did you get your answer ma'am? Please ... Mr. Plummer; Well, Father, excuse :ne. 1 know the woman. : know where she lives. Ma'am this has nothing to do, there is no retail business in or near your property. Ms. CSVai sco: That's right. That's ' understand . d t ...st s wiry : don't �.rde,.star, �.,,. Mr. Pl•.t.'mer: Well, this doesn't apply ,o you. ::s. 4avasco: ;;o, but there's a Florida Power & Light Station there. :• Plummer: M4'411, but wha you'ra reading from toes�S from a retail store, MP, Cevasco; .. r t this i +47r the „retire, not a=p1y to 794. o;;'re no s Mx, F ' zr. to ; Yes -te' Ott, •' . t4V4Sa ;; :P Qther age ls, s e csst, .4s 41r'•es4y • ,'t',,;m4a N 14m, w t ;'gym rr+• r- and t;.; .,.,. : : ! r p' 7a r r s i.. . - .,� � • •+�%1a # <a_�'��tQ rE�. a4--`� is er.,ert s•*ExSter�i t_ifr- ',J�� 3a st s�s+rr7�;;; r>s r- f4r•a t••T sin c a#. .• re .+.i pea A c •+ e+ 4 fw1r, • n, T 7r? -�r-rr.,�r� ...r za.e ..C,>••s�w:-: xa a-.£Z�� a�r�T'e`-3 ..OES ..(9� ..��_�... 'J._.�, �:'le >,G'iSd4t ge,t4a.;;. 7tCr,t- -; +�jiirSe $7 7c41$ ,C 'r°77ir E: ,`•t4t;;9A, 717. 'Es''s s*it ';10at;£•`r't tt 701i+, Obis • �•s Q',1T, s ' • a,P-',F;P4m4t. :� L'+qc ;tie?, • r. e,- ^t;t rk r: ":2° "1 : ° at ear. £"@ '.a.•'es act L"'•..' t3 _ % `� �..e� � � �..-e,.t a.. >x�re- _ �� Llar - � -+e � _,.�! x � .r. - _, af 51) �+a x • t you. ► .§. Cevaseo t Father dibsont Ms. Gevasce 3'm trying to at it, it a bees not apply. Fine. Thank you very tauoh. Alright, you said you had another question. Yes t have Reverend Gibson: I don't quite understand on the plan here. ... the hues do not seem to torrespand. The low density, f look pale yellow, it seems that they were done with different colors. rather Gibson: Change of sabre. Ms. Cevaseoe It takes time to sort of work this out. It looks like a Crossword pu2ile. Father dibsont Sir, that affects you. Mould you please answer her. Mr. Plummer: What's your business. Ms. Cevascot The colors. The colors don't match. Mr. Dramov t They were laid out at the same time and 1 must blame... you know, the Printers did the best they could. ?.tad, Tau get this leind of variation !list in the process of printing. You just oan't lake it come out prefectly. rather Gibson: 1 see. We say that there was no intent to deceive anybody. Mr. bramcv : NO there certainly wasn't. They started out being all the satae and there have been some slight variations as to printing proceedings. rather Cibsont Beautiful. Alright, any other ... please, we want everybody to be heard, but we're trying to... Mr. Meredith t Good afternoon, I''m Spencer Meredith, speaking on behalf of the :urine Council. ,Sust a Very few brief comments. We certainly agree with the idea of a need for a plan and the value of guidelines and it's obvious that a great deal of work ha gone into this plan. It's taken a tot of time obviously to prepare. Prom our point of view it'seems to,as we understand the presentation,nresent the way things really are now, so,of course, that, you know, there are healthy areas, and problem areas, Biscayne Bay is an area of management. As was pointed out, it is our understanding that this plan is not to be chiseled in stone, that it does have flexibility built into it, so that if various groups at various times in the future come with plans for develop- ment which area higher and better use or which are based on the fact that one idea builds on another over a period of time, that the Planning Department and the City Commission will at least entertain or listen to these views, because in other words, the plan excuse mft .a plan like this should inspire growth rather than inhibiting it. and., from that point of view we're very much in favor of it. We'd like to thank the Planning Department and the City for keeping the Marine Council informed on developments and we hope that they will continue to do this in the future, so that anything related to Marine Industry or Marine Developments will give us a chance to make input and be of what use we can. Thank you. rather Gibson: Alright, my understanding is that the Mayor will read all of this on tape and after he has read it, then we will proceed to vote. i trust we will not vote so that everybody could be aware that until the next regular meeting after tomorrow, so that everybody is put on notice and everybody can arrange his or :per schedule to be present if Need be. Is that possible' Can we agree so that everybody would vow what the other person knows? Mr, Plummer; Put it for Mef .2th, the first item. Father Gibson; Huh' M', Plummer; Pun it for May 12tth. the first item. Father Gibson: Alright. Ladies end gentlemen, our next regular meeting is on May 12h, we ask you u) please come book at that time and we will :hake this item,mr, Manager, the firs; item on the agenda, is that eQnve;;.enc for you the people or do you have acme cb jectior!? :A=4c;lige;;grAlwv. Gibson, would you please make it plain, whether the meet .ng is going to start at 94; in the morning or whetter it is jlAt going tO to 4 half 4 4ay meeting, so te.ac .e people will ;s,,how whether =o t.e here in the 'corning og the afternoon, F4t#Pr 7.74.b4on; wz1;4 x.>r 4 4 reT414F eta 444Y Meet/ ing,. 4c4rt;`fig G 0 mr' Vhet= rrgt 7 Mt. Plutttett t wish it was a half a day. Mr. Grassier 'That's dottedt Mt. Vide -Mayor. gather Gibsottt May 12th, is ati all day meeting starting at $tbba.tn, and we will make it tddo'clock. Now, wait a mintue, let's ask the people who must, perha-s"after work go operate an office, if the afternoon is better vier against first thing in the ;orating, first thing in the morning, Alright, Mr. Manager, first thini in the morhing at q: 0 o'clock oh the May 12th, this item will be again taken up and voted upon. bk Mrs. dOrdon: t wanted to ask you a question. Has everyone who wanted to speak to this ,.{aster Plan spoken today? Peoause all the input that you wish to Make, I hope it's coming in now. I'it going to ask the Manager if he'll haxte this hearing transcribed for us as quickly as possible, bedause although the Mayor will have the tape. I think even the mayor would prefer havihq it in writing so he could read it,and l certainly' would like to re -read what has been said here today and become thoroughly familiar with it, Father GibtOn: And, let's add Rote, that any member of the public who would like to, Mr. Manager, I hope this isn't aft economic burden beyond reason, but I would hope that any member of the public who is here now wno wie.'.es to get a copy that ne or she may r=n.1 would indicate before you leave so that adequate provision would be trade, Is that reasonabt. Now, ladies and gentlemen, I presume everybody who wanted to speak, let me say, if you wish a copy so that you night read, we say a prayer, read, mark, learn, and inwardly digest, ;lease leave your name and address with whoever is desicnated by the Manager, the PIahners_: Mr. Grassier Mr. Mc Manus. Father Gibson: Sir, please hold your hand up. the mat at the mike, please hold your i hand so that they can see that you're the man, the tan at the mike, you are the Planner, that's the gentleman. Give him your name and address and I'm sure you will get it. Mr. Mc Manus Mr. Vice -Mayor, let me say, we have a limited number of copies here. -If anybody in the audience wants a copy right now, just see me. rather Gibson: No, no. Mrs. Gordon, wants a transcript made of what was said here. That's what they're talking about. That's what we're talking about. Now. is that understood by everybody? Nobody else wants to speak... Thank God. Let's hear the last item. 4r. :avis: Mr. Vice Mayor, we notified something over 700 people for this hearing, is it your desire that you wish for us to renotify.,. Father Gibson: We:1, if that isn't an economic impossibility, you the public to knew so that the public could be aware and, you :snow. you can reasonably notify the same number of people, please do so, you are dealing with these people's livelihood, many of the people with their castle, 1 think they ought to have an opportunity to be ok?.. Thank you for coming, sorry we were so late getting to you. know, I like for . let's say, if because you know and we are dealing heard and be aware, 19. REGUEST FOR CHANGE OF ZONING FROM R 3 TO C-5 - 2151 N.W. 23RD STREET (ITEM HELD AND DEFERRED FOR FULL COMMISSION TO A FUTURE DATE). Rev. Gibson; Now, the last item 49. M. Davis; Item :to. 9 is the application by Northwestern '•Seat to change the zoning at approximately 2151 N.W, 2 rd Street. from R-3 to C. . ' to Commission deferred this at their meeting of February 23 for additional study by the planning epattmeTt of the general at'ea. ".t, Wr,ippla has the results of that study. 'i. , Whipple; Members of the Commission, and Mr, vice -Mayor, at the time the Commission deferred this, they asked us to take another look and Peri^'ats a look at a larger area in order to determine whether the recommendations we had made to the specific petition for a char4e of ZOning which was from R-5 to C- on the i'r'Qper'tr, marked in the red square in the area in icon; of .;on, the 5=e rationale used there '..as applied to the whole areas and were there any alternatives or ()that' ?uggest1,o4s? We did stay the entire area from 17th ,venue to 27th Avenue, from Nth Street to gth Street, hue Our stud;, placed pastionlat emphasis an ere deveIoa C' a; ex;5ted 0n the north and south side of N,`a'. =3rd t:eft. which Wa f el.: W45 the gin co4t4r `a of c"e 42r41444144, . ss. WO PA ;2d of 4, es far as 4evaxO'P! 1t 4P ;and 444, and vbich. of yet? will 1 0c. st the raps as Part of tour agar“ ft�' . ext Mr AR we have one noting land use, one noting rotting, The north side of 23rd Street is predominately, as a matter of fat, 702 as far as linear frontage developed for residettial development. The south side is 1002 developed commercial or in.. dustrial development. It is a situation where it is light night and day on the north and south side of the street. Of particular note we feel, with respect to the consideration of this item, on the north side, you have approxiately 174 residential units, 10 single-family, 22 twoi.fatiily, 138 nultiple family and 13 sites, The fact that out of these 174 units, if we exclude the 84 public housing unite which have octured fairly recently, that 94 of these units have been constructed since 1963, Without any question in our mind, it is residential. We feel that residential has been compatible and is acceptable, even though they are facing commercial development. If the Commission wishes, I have a series of slides, showing this residential development, and some of the industrial develop- ment going down 23rd Street from 27th Avenue. This slide, and incidentally, these are all noted on the aerial, — ley. Oihson: Haw about the length? Mr, Whipple: This is a slide standing on the edge of 23rd Street looking east. As I mentioned you have entirely commercial industrial development on the south side, and this is typical of the majority of residential development that exist on the north side. This is at approximately, --it is the interseciton of 23 Ct. and 23 Street. let at go through these fairly quickly. This is believe, 23rd Street, and 23 Avenue. Again, looking in an easterly direction, at a point just east of 22nd Avenue. Now, this is the subject property with the exception of the residential development that exists on the near corner. Ia other words, where the door is, the large apartment and the property to the left, is the subject property, which is being requested for a change of zoning, indicated on the aerial here in the red outline. The premises of the existing establishment, Northwestern meat, who is making the application is directly across the street, or out of the picture on the left side of the slide at this point. This is a slide which shows the residential development immediately behind the proposed rezoning. We indicated in our study any consideration for rezoning of the property along 23rd Street does back up to the residential community existing north of 23rd Street. The meat plant would be behind the second, third and fourth buildings indicated on this slide. This is again looking in an easterly direction. Not to visible is the housing Authority property with the residential unit behind it. This is a parking area serving the placement office of the Miami Housing Authority as part of the public housing development that exists in this area. This is perhaps what I consider the largest or impacting commercial use on the south side of 23rd Street. This is at approximately 18 or 19th Avenue. This is looking in a westerly direction. This too is looking in a westerly direction, Lykes Electronics, I am not sure they are still operating but it is a commercial warehouse on the south side at approximately 18th or 19th Avenue. This last slide shows the residential development on the north side again, looking in an easterly direction from a point about 18th Avenue looking towards 17th Avenue. The department investigated as indicated in our study six alternative's. Of the six alternatives there are four salient factors on four of the basic alternatives which we believe this Commission should take note and on which we base our recommendation for no changes of zoning. The salient factors are No. 1, that comprehensively we cannot justify additional commercial zoning in the area due to the fact that there is sig- nificant amounts of vacant commercial industrially zoned area and/or significant amounts of underdeveloped. ccu ercial.1y zoned, or industrially zoned properties. Now, this point is illustrated on the aerial at this point. All the areas in red, which is south of 23rd street down to 20th Street. you may recognize that this is all zoned industrial at the present time. The areas in red are areas that are either developed residential., and I would say predominately low ensity,single-family, duplex structures, older stzuctures,or is vacant, In other words, underutilized or vacant. These are areas that are available for redevelopment to a use permitted by the zoning, that being 1-1 or to a use similar as to what could be put in the petitioned Cw5 zoning, which is the question before you today, Mr, Plummer; 1 see what you have there. but if I am incorrect please correct me, of what you contend to be existing properties available ;or redevelopment, Only three of them touch the rsilroad siding, Is that correct? ur.Whlpple. 'es, sir, T would say that is basically correct. , Maser; k tuse me, icur with cite tflatgle up la the corner. sue,Whipple; Po n than io c.orreet: Mr. Whipple: NoW, without doing a detailed survey, Commissioner Plummer, it is my opinion that re iande in this area of the railroad track, is somewhat limited. 'IOU do have a lumber company. there ate tot as many uses utilizing the railroad seetian through there, as you would think there are. There are many uses which their only mode of supplies coming in, is usually by truck. Unless you get into a large circUistande such as a lumberyard, the railroad access is not that serious a 4uestiott or not that important in the location. The third point, as we have just have heard the presentation concerning the tothprehensive neighborhood plan, the plan does itdidate that this area should remain residential. If we Were to magnify the Comprehensive Matt we will see the dividing line between the proposed plans for the south side and the north side does occur at 23rd Street. The fourth item is our concern regarding the impact on the abutting residential property. This would back commercial development, up to residential development, and believe we have a very strong, viable community and neighborhood of residential development ig that area. There is much Money being put into the area by way of C.D. upgrading the area, upgrading housing. Those are the four salient points which we feel do not suggest the rezoning, either done in one of four forms. The alternatives are very simple. One is to rezone the subject property as petitioned. The next logical rezoning, itt other words, looking for what we could or couldn't do, would be that of rezoning the entire block, including the existing housing, sotte of which is quite new, particular this apartment building at this point. Thirdly, we could continue on down from end to end on 23rd Street with a commercial rezoning to 0-5. The problem just compounds itself becasue of these salient adverse conditions which t was alluding to before. Particularly if we were to do that, we would add 61 acres of liberal commercial zoning to the books and as indiciated by the aerial and other studies that have been done including the comprehensive plan, we seem to have more than an ample of supply of property and lands zoned in the City of Miami for heavy commercial and industrial. development. 1r. Plummer: Why isn't it being used? Mr. Whipple: Perhaps our economic element of the Plan has some answers to that. I am not too sure, myself, completely Mr. Plummer. These lands are available and the interesting point is, these lands that have been available here have been available since 1961 at least. Mt. Plummer: But Dick, what I am trying to say is, there obviously must be a reason that you have this area which you show here is liberal -industrial, or what have you, and I an going,to take a rough guess that 40% of it not being utilized. I am going to take a rough guess, that 40? of it, is not being utilized. You know, give or take, a couple of percentages. There has to be a reason why it is not being used. What is the reason? That is the point. Mrs. Gordon: What are you talking about? Mr. Whipple: I do not have an answer at my fingertips. :'.r, Plummer: Rose, if you look from 20th Street which is the bottoms of the map, to 3rd Street which is the street in question, and from whatever that is, over at that end of the :yap, to this end. I am saying that it looks like to me. :0 to 35% c: what is colored in red, is shown as vacant or underdeveloped. Mrs. Gordon: That is what he is pointing out, lie is saying there is :;o need to rezone additional land when so :ouch existing zoning is underutilized, ,!r, Plummer; The point I am trying to make Rose, if it is presently zoned for commercial, why isn't it being used° s, Gordon; ;hat is what he said, ''"hat is what he is saying, Mr, KYr!me 1 1 didn't hear him answer that Nose Mr, Aippla: I didn't answer it. but that is what 1 am saying, Mrs, Gordon; Tha; is $e purpose of the MAP, 4Ad the purpose for Whipple; = t tir'1 shore to several reasons ,al: of which are rapt tQo specific, Tar for elk ies bae . is the early Pact of 1960, Particular the old tandeuse plant, if you may remember wttfeh vas done in 1939, sited percentages of land Dee utilised and developed. At that time tea had twice as mueh, and this has been borne out even till today. We have twice as much industrial: ar heavy commercial: and industrial toning as we have uaeags. it weuid suggest that previous plans, previous toning efforts, have aver -toted far this particular type of development. This has good pointe and bad points, it does give you flexibility, and yet it does spread out the use so that it is harder to sorbet in some cases, impaets areas, and residential development more than if it was more concentrated things of that nature, t think the second answer that might be given, would be the sprawl type nativity that has taken place in Dade County. They have gone where lands are cheaper in the county areas, of Palmetto Expressway. Also quite popular and against old city planning if you will, are Planned industrial Centers. if we could come in with a thousand raw acres ouch as an industrial center does, and plan industrial activity the way it should be planned, we would code up with something quite different than the physical makeup that we have with that area here today. Those are general responses, but I think both are factors in why this has not developed. So, just continuing for a t►oment longer, we provided you with a statistical pro- file of the entire study area, not just 20th Street. tie set forth the residential devel.opment.We feel that the requested change of zoning would in foot be spot -zoning. We feel it would impact the residential community to the north and do not feel it is appropriate and would open the door to perhaps promoting something that we are saying we have a problem with today. Mrs. Gordon: Maybe the applicant would like to speak. They haven't said anything yet. Mr. Carlos Fernandez: My name is Carlos Fernandez, t am an attorney at ADD S.W. 22nd Avenue, where the zoning is adequate for my needs and I don't intend to move out of there. I represent the applicant. First of all I mould like an answer to the remarks which were not new, by the Planning professionals, of the Planning Department. I would like the architects to answer a few of those remarks. Mr. Donald Prederichs: My name is Donald Frederiehs, I was the architect for the original Northwestern Meat Project, and am involved in the planning for the new site. I have been involved with Mr. Nunez in Northwest Meats for some 8 or 9 years since the first plant was built. I've seen the change in the neighborhood, I have seen the expansion of Mr. Nunez's needs. Entering into the expanison program was not taken lightly and many sites were investigated in that area. All those red marks there which indicate under-utilized or under -developed land of course does not mean, that they are available for Mr. Nunez's use or suitable for his use. Very obviously most of those red marks have structures on them now, are not for sale, and as rightly noted, are not available to the railroad tracks which is one of the prime concerns. The railroad is an essential part of the project and having the new expanded facilities across the street in itself is somewhat of a compromise. But I have looked through Planning Department's comments and a couple of items have struck me wrong, or at least not to be used as an instrument for denial. i note that the reports says that 92 units, residential units, have been built since 1963, excluding the 84 HUD units, but at the same time the land -use figures indicate that single family residential use is down 15%. The reports notes that only two new commercial buildings have been built in that period, but commercial land use is up 15% and this is in the entire study area. One of the major objectors to the unit, to the use, of course is HUD, they represent 84 units. The report says these 84 units front on 23rd Street, They do not, The housing Office does and some units do. Z think most of the units front on the more northern street. 1 act not too sure that the Housing Office itself is a residential use. But I think that the most damaging statement in the report recom- mending denial is the fact that the claim, that the impact is greater on the adjacent property owners to the north..iost certainly they are closer and they are continuous and they have a vested interest in what goes on in the sane block' But as we discussed earlier, with the Planning Board, with the Zoning Appeals Board, there are no uses at the rear of the plant. The existing plant now across the street is a good neighbor. The rear of the plant will, be a solid well, There wti. be no activities at the rear of the plant, There will be no impact other than having a wall there. But the impact frothe existing plant an its neighbors across the street is in fact far greater, The trucks, deliveries, both in and out ere interfering with traffic along tat street, The report soya that the traffic un the street, The report says the traffic an the street is predominately residential, aeriouely doubt rket, They 4.4y be private iota, but 1 em sure they are private ears.ot qmployees of all the commercial uses on the street going to and from work, The traffic on the street has to be the C-5 areas to the $Put, In fact all you have to do is walk down that street and defy you tell me that that street has a residential character. It does not* xt 61 .-im i w has a ver;Ighly commercial character. Ahd 1 think commercial use is appropriate to it. 1 Aitk if there is a discordant tote on the street, it is the residential uses, and not the offitertial uses, Perriatdett t would like to make one observation et this tie, ia that on the presettatiot froth the City departmett, tiOtte of the temmercial iftatallatioris existing there were shout to you. All the pictures that were shot to you were ot one side, not on the tommertial installatiot, Now, as to the impact oft the neighborhood, I would like for the Board to listen to theeettlemat fram Allapattah, Mr. Armando Priete:My name is Armatdo Prieto,1851 N.W. 22td Plate. I have been living in this area for the last 10 years. I am very much aware and t know the area very much, Maybe some of the people over here have never been there, but 1 am it the area all day long. And it is true, t think. I am also itt the planning Board of Community Development, Beautification and parks, So I am very much &ware, t know there is a proposal right now to make a buffer zone, to separate the industrial from the residettial. But let me tell you this. It is not residents over there. Very little. And not only is there little residential, but the problems, he explained it very well before when he said the trucks are interfering with the traffie. Sometimes, 1 have to wait 5 or 10 minutes because I live it that area and I work in that area. tt is very dangerous too, So I believe before we spend that million dollars we are going to spend to beautify 23rd street, we should go ahead and take a closer look SO we don't waste our money. Those 100 trees, thousand of trees we are going to put there is not going to make a buffer zone. So I think we should try to accomodate this company over here which employs a large number of our residents. I am not trying to make this long. Here we are trying to comply with the president of the United States, economize gas,fuel, etc.If we have a thriving business in our community, that the residents are going to benefit from this particular business because it will employ. He is not trying to go away if an help it. But if he does, not only the Allapattah residentsCrill lose a great deal of employment, but the City of Miami will also suffer a greael.oss. So that is the way I feel, and it is very important that you take a very close look to this situations over here. Let's say from 12th Avenue, going west on the north side of 23rd Street, up to 22nd Avenue. This should be completely an industrial street. No question about it. On the other side is a little different. You know between 22nd and 27th Avenue, ---see, 23rd Street ends right there in the tracks. And it is a little business over there, ----a tire company etc. but very little. So I should take a very close look to this particular section of 23rd street which between 12th and 22nd. The Community Development Board recommends this should be open. Make the buffer zone 23rd Terrace. We cannot afford, -----the Allapattah community cannot afford to lose this business man which is providing the ;obs for a large number of our residents. The same time, these people live 5 minutes away from any point. Allapattah is a small community. So you are within 5 minutes, --you are not using gas, you can take care of your children, you wife, --you don't - have to get up one hcur in the morning to go to work. He is only one, but if we accomo— date say 50 or 60 or 70 industries in this particualr street, I think we are accomplishing a great deal of goodness for our community. Sr. Fernandez; Thank you Mr. Prieto. I would also like to make another brief observation, is that, in che presentation by the City department, it included all the way from 17th Avenue to 27th Avenue when in fact, in the report that it was distributed by them, when in fact it should have been from 17th Avenue to 22nd Avenue. I think that would have been a more fair showing. I know we don't have a full roard. I would like to request that the, discuss the matter with :my client, Mr. Nunez, which is actually only here on a financial problem because if he cannot move across the street,if he cannot take care of the expansion of his business, he will have to move out of the area and seek a better location. This is the Main reason why we ere here today. It is not because he wants the neighborhood to go commercial. It is just that he has to go some ?laze. Mts. Cordon; I have a question Mt. Whipple. Would you please tell me the uses that are permitted in a C-5 classification please? Mt. Whipple; Without a zoning ordinance in front of me, this permits wholesaling and warehousing type uses, cold storage, meat processing, lumberyards, consclructich 7szts such ss 4xin at 3701 Avanue, the Troup Brothers, one of the Lugo crane companies, All kinds of food processing' Pain; and body shop. MrsGordon; raint and body shop? mr, whtppl4; gogs on 1.4 that character, 4 very liberal, commercial type 4544* c„)fr_ • : r w •cr. r Mrs cordons Would you aay that le the tut liberal before you receive an industrial eleesifieationg Mr. Whipple: The not zoning district ia induttrial. Mrs. dordont The next is iedustrial2 1 have ta eay that in 1964 1 have sat Oh the Zoning Board and then Oft this COIAMiSSiOft, And 1 have taken innumerable courses in Planing and I don't know if 1 have ever before heard an application that was as a draatie intrusion into a residential area as this one. I don't think 1 ever did 1 note that we just heard a large presentation on the emprehensive developffient plan for the City and I don't believe that it would be necessary to move away from the city, if you can't tove into this reeidential are for an ex - paragon. However that is your deeieion. But 1 don't believe since a tong, long time ago when 1 sat with a certain Board metbers, who 1 shall leave timeless, whose cements alvaye were, well we should grant this because the tax base will be in- creased and look at the taxes the City Will receive. That would be the reason for granting a partitular zoning change. Well, 1 ean't think of any reason of an economic nature that would be warranted for change of zohing. 1 don't believe that we zone for economiesb 1 think we zone for esthetics and for upgrading a community. 1 honestly feel my fellow commissioners are going to speak for themselves, but 1 for one feel that if we granted you this change of zoning, that we could not deny the same privilege to anyone else in any other area of a similar natUre, unless we were giving special privileges to Certain people which t am sure we would not want to do. Because we would be stepping back in time, We would be stepping back at least 10 or 15 years at a time when the concrete jungles went up all around the town because it was a convenient thing to zone,because somebody wanted a zoning. Somebody wanted to build something. And an example of those concrete jungles exists all over the City of Miami and 1might point out to what was, and is being removed from 37th Avenue, rather Gibson and what is now Wasting on U.S. 1 that abuts the highway up close. But when you destroy a neighborhood by an intrusion of heavy commercial, with very, very liberal uses permitted, and you can't grant one person the privilege and not give it to another. You are destroying a city, in effect, because you are therefore saying all the money you have spent to prepare, all the time our Planning Board has spent in preparing a comprehensive plan was just an exercise in futility. I don't know if you want to speak to this item. If you don't I will have to move to deny, which would be to uphold the recommendation of both the Planning Board and the Planning Department. Mr. Fernandez: I was wondering if I would be correct in requesting the the full Board hears it. Mrs. Gordon: Well this request of yours should have been made prior to a presentation unless you think the Mayor would influence any decision of the other members, I don't know. There are still three people here besides me. Mr. Plummer: Row do you justify an R-3 directly across the street from a C-5 and call it good zoning. Mr. Whipple: I have had a chance to think for a couple of minutes since you asked it earlier. I am not sure I have a full answer. I think we nave to look at how it has developed, and what we have since it has developed. Point No. 1, to the best of my knowledge I can ;race this zoning pattern back to 1954. I did not attempt to trace it further, but old zoning, old plans if you will, established this line and this is the line which has developed over the years. So we have au established lend use pattern. :t might not have been established in 1955 because we only had 10 units there and three or four commercial structure along the entire mile stretch. But today factually end physically, we do have a residential character on the north side, and the commercial on the south. Let's look a little further through the residential development, Mr. lee;; I don't disagree with that jr, Whipple, 1 a saying how do you ;011 e ;ha; a C-5 end B. facing each other are competible, ee, whipple; It ems to be working, That is a very staple =own, I think ehe development of the propertiee, ;he way the residential use is oriented. Ineidentielly ehere t4 a heavy amount of foliage and treee. :be ;;attic i5 nfn ;hat greet on t4e sereet. There ia commercial development, there is commercial activity bue there ere eeeelo the; zommereial activity does no bother eed this 14 4 desirable residential living 3T04 fer tham. a Mr. Whipple: tf we were starting anet, We would not may this is the proper approach. Mr, PlumMert Mr. Whipple t was referring you to, before, on this comprehensive map, what is the C.,5 development, at the north side of 23rd Street and 27th Avenues is it C-5? Mr, Whipple: The place immediately on the earner might be the development, Due east is a pet supply store. Then the residential use with a church in there. Mr. Plummer: Then would you tell me at the Cotner of 22nd Avenue and 23rd Street Oft the north side? Mt. Whipple: You have for a depth of approximately 15d feet from 17th Avenue a brand new, what t would call aftauto center, mufflers, auto parts, sotibination. +fir. Plummer: C= ? Mr, Whipple:It is really not C-50 it is C-4. Mr. Plummer: What is the toning? C-4 or C-5? Mt. Whipple: 1 believe it is C-4. Mr. Plummer: The next obvious question I have to ask,. - ----there's two blocks, from 17th Avenue , vest there's two blocks of commercial on the north, and that's as I recall, a lumber yard, ---is there a lubber yard in there? Mr. Whipple: I am sorry, 1 Yost you on the last question. :sir. Plummer:Rose I am talking on the north side of 23rd from 17th Avenue west to about, ---- Mrs. Gordon: I am looking at it. Mr. Plummer: ----I am sorry, from loth Avenue west. MY. Whipple: That is all primarily commercial development, but it is also zoned for that development in that instance. That is why the dissimilar zoning pattern that was mentioned at the beginning, --- Mt. Plummer: You don't feel that line should be a continuous line? Mr.Whipple: No, sir not based upon the existing land use and the development that exists in the area. Mr. Plummer: What you are really saying to me is that what 1 have to say to that man, sir, there is no way. Is that what you are saying to me? Mr. Whipple: For this particular application, that is our recommendation sir. • Lars. Gordon: J.L. may I give you an example of what you are trying to point out? Bird Avenue and 27th Avenue, you have a C commercial zoning on a corner there which extends back a short distance. If we followed your train of thinking, you would have to expand and extend that commercial all the way through to the V.S. 1. Mx. Plummer; Rose, look, my philosophy is very easy, I have expressed it today and all the way along the lane. It just seems like, and I have to agree, that this as proposed, is spot zoning. There i.s not question about it. Dick, have a vary dL.ierse, and different opinion of you, Because my friend, Chore is no way R-3 facing C-5 is compatible, It is Just not compatible, As to this type of C-5, on that side of the streets I have to likewise say, as such, is not compatible. And i is spot mica. There ,s no question about tt, 3ut Dick, it just troubles me, that bore again we: are telling somebody,-.,.�1 am sorry, There is} no way •you can do it, 'Q1 look d; this map up Mere. L U.D, is opposed to t, } built u: t there they were facing C-5, And ;hey built in the face of C=5 for the areatesc portion of their Property+ Look down the street, And if that ASPis correct, nobody in that particular block has any a171eatieq, u.avb€ as you say, and IWayoe yo4t are correct, that there ere people who donl !nave any 0Cledtions to duatrial, That is why they are cmPati144. and that is why they built, lot =e tail you something, friend, 1 ;lust see it as ore 64 .r'. ,a more situation, where we are saying to a Ian, sir, we ere sorry. You just can`t do business in the City of Miami. I think, as I heard this man say in his application before, that the railroad siding is very important to him. f can imagine that it is. tut you know, t guess you have to walk downtown with me to see all the beautiful planning studies that we have and all the great things that we want for downtown. Then start counting the vacant stores. Desolate stores, and na people. You know, we can put plans in operation until they run out of our ears and we have, but without people they donut work. here you are forcing me against my philosophy to tell another than, sir, sorry.t cannot vote for epot coning. Okay? tf there is a possibility that line can be extended all the way down the street, -=---maybe you are right. Maybe there are people who that is compatible to. And obviously the people •on that partituar block are not objecting to it. Maybe the answer is, and quite possibly, that you could extend the C..5 from 22nd Avenue down to 27th Avenue on that side of the street. Then I eoud Mote for it. t could vote for that. All I at saying to you is,- -.-(t am not sayint it to you, I am saying it to him), --sir I am sorry, and I don't like to say that. Please. These are not personal remarks to you. To the Department, to the Administration. Mrs. Gordon: Didn't we ask you to Consider the possibility of a contiguous line and your answer was no. It was out of keeping to expand or extend or to change any tore property to commercial.So J. L., that is your answer. You have already got it. Mr. Plummer: Rose, they told us the same thing earlier this morning about a jewelry store. You and I voted for, overriding, ----- Mrs. Gordon: That was an entirely different situation. Mr. Plummer: Philosophy for me,- -it is not. They said no, it is not compatible. It is not in the book. And had we followed our recommendation, that jewelry store would not exist. Mrs. Gordon:J.L. that is a different story, and it is necessary for us to under- stand the differences when we make our decisions at the level we are making them. The differences are very apparent in that, yes, they were following a philosophy and what we were doing is using common sense. And common sense dictated to us, that that was a suitable application, since .t was surrounded by commercial on all sides. Now, this is entirely different. This is an intrusion into a residential. That had no residential. That had no residential. It had if I recall R-C which is not residential. It's combination use anyway. I think I've said enough. I did move that we uphold the Zoning Board and the Zoning Department. I don't know if there has been a second or not. Rev. Gibson: Let me ask a question. Who owns that property all along in that block? Who owns the property starting from the corner, to the corner? Mr. Whipple: I did not get the ownership list. Rev. Gibson: Did they object? :".r.Whipple:?;ot to my knowledge. If they did it would shown on the map. Rev. Gibson; Man, the people who own that property. ain't no fool. Is that right? I can understand HUD. Even thought I am ''Dice -Chairman, and I didn't even know they were objecting. Mrs. Gordon; wel,,.....,....� Rev. Gibson; Let me finish, I find it difficult that those people who have no nobody is objecting. Don't they tare? Mr. whippl.e; I can't answer that Tuber. Rev, Gibson; I raise the question. Don't they care? Aren't the; objecting? Mr. Whipple; I think you have the situation where tie You have deveior ent that s there and evidently the attitude is one that their development is working as we diacussad earlier. This is acceptable and they gee no reason to object. lev, Gibson; Did they Sign an objection? i5 Mrt Whipple. The map itdicatee the one property in the corner sent back a signed slip 'not objecting.' Rev. Gibson. t at hot their lawyer but I think these things ought to be put in the record. I at sure those people know to protest. Nov, t at very interested in the fact that they don't protest. how much land does your client own? Mr. Fernandez: The reason they do not objent is because they want it. It is the type of business that will be there. We were discussing before and Mrs. Cordon requested information as what you den do there with a C-5, tf the neighbors knew that he was going to put a paint and body shop, this root would be full. But they know they are going to get a type of business that is completely inauiated, where there is no noise. There is no smoke. And if there is a wall around, that is why they don't obj edt. In fact they want it. The other thing, is that, at this time, right now, one-fourth of the property in question is being used illegally because it is a parking lot for the people across the street which is not Mr. Nunea's. It is a parking lot right now, and there's no neighbors coming over here to complain about everybody parking over there. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Vice -Mayor let me say this. I have trade my feelings very clear. The applicant has asked for a full board. I have no objections to that. I know Mrs. Gordon has a motion on the floor which has not received a second. But they have asked for deferment for a full board and I think we should honor that. At the same time, I want to say to the department, go back and see if there is any way other than saying to these people, no. As Father said this morning, as long as you are talking, let's talk. I can say no more. Rev. Gibson: I want to be educated. Suppose he did not get a change of zoning? One of the things I need to say to everybody. Plummer said .something to us that kind of bothered te. I hoep all of us realize, -----at least I don't want to be in the position, just like Plummer, of putting a man out of business or sending him to Hialeah or Industrial Park. I won't be in that predicament because,----but,---- is there any other relief we can give this tan?? I raised that question before. Mr. Whipple: We raised only one question which could only be answered by the applicant that would be to intensify the development of the existing site. And seek through the boards and the Commissicn, of variances, conditional use approvals fr the subject site for parking. I suspect that architecturally this perhaps is not a viable solution but the architects can speak better to that. Mr. Plummer: What is he saying? He could intensify that site? Mx. Whipple: See if there is a way to intensify it, perhaps, I don't know whether the operation would support a second story operation, for instance. That is not knowledge that I have concerning this particular meat packing process. But if that was viable in their operation, then they cculd seek a variance and a conditional approval to provide the required parking across the street. ir. Freder .chs: Mr. Plummer could I address myself to that? Mr. ?lummer: Sure, Mt. Trederichs; To begin we did. That was the first thing that was investigated, and it is absolutely impossible on the existing structure to increase that co a second floor. And second story storage operations by their nature are very inefficient but the structural capacity of the original building wouldn't sustain those kinds of loads. There is not ample area on the site to expand even, given the relief from the parking requirements, to enable them to operate and create any addition space. That is just one scheme that was investigated, Mr. Whi?Ple In following through in response to your question. 1 do act know of any, other vay to accomplish this other than through a change of coning. tlr, Plummer; lir, rice -Mayor, my mint is pretty well made up. It is unfortunate that aPPlioant has ssked for 4 ;;eferrel, I wb.11ing to grant the applicant that as he requested. 66 Mrs. Gordon: 1 had a motion on the floor. Mr. Plummer: t didn't hear a seconds Rose5 so 1 thought it died. Mrs. Gordon: I know, tut the Vice...Mayor did hot declare that he had not heard a second and therefore the motion died. Rev. Gibson: Do 1 hear a second bo I hear a second? All right, go ahead Mr, Plummer, Mr, Plummer:At requested by the applicant requesting a full toard, Mr, Vice -Mayor t will more for the deferral. Mr. Moto: t second the motion Mr. Vice=Mayor. t want to say I agree that we can't go for spot zoning that way, The only way I could go with the petitioft, is to continue the C-5 that actually exists from 10th Avenue to 12th Avenue, up to 22nd Avenue. Prom 10 to 12 Avenue, we have C-5, If that is continued, with the recommendation of the administratiot, that is the only way. Otherwise I think it is going to be spot zoning. But I agree with the petition be deferred. Mrs. Gordon: I doh't quite follow Mr.Reboso's thinking of changing all that zoning when we have just been given a report saying that that would a foolhardy procedure. If you feel as Mr. Plummer feels it's spot zoning, is incorrect, both of you feel that way, and have expressed your opinion, I don't know what the deferrment if for, The Mayor's presence,--t can't speak for the Mayor, but if he could condone spot zoning, that would of course be a condition you would have to buy, that spot zoning is good because he thinks its good. Otherwise your position would not have changed from what you just expressed, Mr.Reboso: I said I am not going to vote for spot zoning. Mrs. Gordon: You are not. This application and the motion which I made originally, -- Mt. Reboso: They asked for deferral. Mrs. Gordon: We have had a full-blown hearing. Are we going to have another full- blown hearing? Mt. Plummer: Rose I think what we are saying, is we are not precluding the possibility of the C-5 running, from, as Reboso suggested from l2th Avenue to 22nd Avenue. I don't think we precluded that. As I have said before, I just cannot buy the C-5 being comp- patible with R-3. And I don't think you can either Rose, except it exists there. Mrs. Gordon: I have to recognize the fact that we just had a very thorough compre- hensive plan which cost the City $391,000, If I am correct in my figure, I recall we allocated that sum of money to a comprehensive plan. Our planners tell us this is bad planning. The Planners tell us we don't need any more commercial zoning and we are saying we want to do it anyhow, Okay. If that is the way you want to go. I am going to vote against the motion. Mr. Plummer: I 4M going to take up the time to tell you one thing. Maybe why my philosophy is the way that it is, approximately a year ago Rose, I looked for another location for.my funeral business. I looked around the City of Miami on 4 Main arterial. I think, Whipple, you worked with on this if I 441 not miataken, realizing you don't want two funeral homes next door co each other, and we set the criteria at one mile between funeral homes, which in the funeral business, a reasonable criteria. We set the criteria south of Ylagler Street, based upon the present zoning of a C'2 or better, You don't have anymore funeral homes coming, There is not a piece of property south of Flagler in the City of Miami, in which a funeral home does not already Cant of one mile, that I could build a new funeral home, What you are telling me if, if sell my place at Tlagler Street, I 4M out of business. Maybe that is why my philosophy hits home pretty good, Rev, Gibson; Before we vote 1 went to make this comment. I remember so well. Rose, 1 beard what you said but 1 wan; to remind us of this. When the man stood up to that wike earlier today end we'asked whether or not that plan was chiseled in stone, We were told emphatically no. I just want everybody to understand, 3 hours have 44; p486444 and already we are Min t; is chiseled iu mac, The point 1 em making isornmnacri I et using Rove's words. 1 call for the motion, but 1 want to make this observation, The cajoling to pass that survey, that plan, that was offgrod to up, was that it is 67 A#P11 i,•! • !:77 rid chiseled in stone. I just hope everybody rem+ =-' after we said it. Mrs. Gordon: That has nothing to do with the,== Rev. Gibson: Rose, don't,= .Ima.lis ten, -... berg that, and remember, 3 hours, Mrs, Gordon: Father, 1 learned zoning 15 dears ago. Rev. Gibson: Theodore Gibson knows how to reason. 1 don't give a happy hoot whether you know zoning or anything else. 1f 1 vote for the plan that you were anxious for the to vote for. Mrs. Gordon: I didn't ask you to vote for anything. Rev. Gibson: You just said so. ghat I am trying to say, if t vote for that plaft,=====before I pass it, it isn't Chiseled in stone, and after I pass it you say it is chiseled in stone. Mr. Clerk please call the roll. Mrs. Gordon: I am going to make comment whether you call the roil or not. I didn't tell you to vote for anything. Okay. Do whatever you please. Rev. Gibson: I want to make sure we understand. Mrs. Gordon: As far as the comprehensive planning, you have a mandate from the State my friend, and you are going to have to adopt the plan, because the State demands it. Let me finish the sentence and you talk just like the Mayor. Rev. Gibson: Don't say I talk like the ?favor, because you know what? You take over the doggone meeting. Go ahead and make your comment. Mrs. Gordon: My comment is that spot zoning and, spot zoning is no good, not matter what, and if you are going to expand the zoning, you are going to expand it into developed housing that HUD has put up already and you are going to tell them that they are going to have for their neighbors from now on, body shops, and all kinds of heavy commercial uses because you want to expand C-5 from point X to point Y. That is what you are saying, if you don't want spot zoning. Mr. Plummer: They have it across the street right now. Mrs. Gordon: They have it across the street and there is a buffer of a street between them. They don't have it along side of them, and that is a great big difference. Rev, Gibson: When you tell me about HUD and I am vice-chairman, I knew when nobody wanted } D's projects anywhere around them. So let's call the roll. Mr. Plummer: For deferr:tent? Mr. Ongie: Yes, sir. A motion to defer the matter was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Plummer, Mr. Robeso. and Vice -Mayor Gibson. NOES: Mrs. Gordon. Absent: Mayor Terre. ADJOURNMENT; There being no further business to come before the Commission at this time, the meeting was adjourned at 6:55 o'clock P.M. ATTEST: Mtn C. ON C: w =RN AS:MTa+i'I* CI:_ CLERK AVRICE A FERRY MA YOR • l CITY OF DOCUMENT MEETING DATE: ITEM NO. 1 2 DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION COM+125SION ACTION - .�._. RETRIEVAL _COSE_lO 6 __._ 4 COMMISSION AGENDA AND CITY CLERIC REPORT AUTHORIZING THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF AN EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY AT APPROXI- MATELY 1300-1400 N.W. 20TH STREET. CLOSING, VACATING, ABANDONING AND DISCONTINU- ING THE PUBLIC USE OF THE ALLEY LYING WITHIN N.W. 15TH AND 16TH STREETS BETWEEN 1ST COURT AND 2ND AVENUE AUTHORIZING JEFFERSON STORES, INC. TO CON- STRUCT AND MAINTAIN A BRIDGE OVER NORTHEAST 15TH TERRACE CLOSING, VACATING, ABANDONING AND DISCONTINU- ING THE PUBLIC USE OF THAT PORTION OF N.W. 5TH AVENUE BETWEEN N.W. 60TH STREET AND N.W. 62ND STREET GRANTING A TIONAL USE ARTICLE X, GRANTING A TIONAL USE ARTICLE X, ONE-YEAR EXTENSION OF THE CONDI- AS LISTED IN ORDINANCE NO. 6871, SECTION 1(6) (b) ONE-YEAR EXTENSION OF THE CONDI- AS LISTED IN ORDINANCE NO. 6871, SECTION 1(6) (c) GRANTING A ONE-YEAR EXTENSION OF THE VARIANCE FROM ORDINANCE NO, 6871, ARTICLE XXIII, SEC- TION 4(23) R-77-351 R-77-352 R-77-353 R-77-354 R-77-355 R-77-356 R-77-357 0020 77-351 77-352 77-353 77-354 77-355 77-356 77-357