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MINUTES
OF MEETING HELD ON JANUARY 24, 1978
PLANNING & ZONING MEETING
PREPARED BY THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK
CITY HALL
RALPH GI ONGIE.
CITY CLERK
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MINUTES Of SPECIAL rtETING
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
Deferral of Consideration of: Granting Cond-
itional Use to Permit MedicaliDenta`i Offices..
Prepared Resolution of Amendments incorporated
into the Convention Center Agreements
Amended esoluc .on : Permit Opening in Wall
at Central Shopping Plaza
Direct C3ty I4 nagger to Investigate alleged
Zoning Violation by Intercontinental Bank at
Central Shopping Plaza.
Close portions of N.W. 17 Ct. - Lawrence Park
Amd. - Tentative Plat #1003-A-Betty's Island
SECOND READING ORDINANCE: Change zoning class
ification 17-51 N.W. North Riverdrive from
R-4 to C-4.
SECOND READING ORDINANCE: Change zoning class
ification Tigertail Avenue; Natoma Street;
Secoffee Street and Amathla from R-1 to R-1B.
FIRST READING ORDINANCE: Change zoning class-
ification 2,100 S. Dixie Hwy. Lots 11-18,etc.
- "Biscayne Park Terrace from R-1 to RCA
ORDINANCE 09
RESOLUTION No.
Deferral
Res. 78=74
Res, 73-75
Mot. 78-76
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Res. 78-77 1 24
Ord. 8754 1 25
Ord. 8755 1 25-26
1st Reading
FIRST READING ORDINANCE: Amend Article XIV-1 1st Reading
SPECIAL COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL C-2A District,etc
FIRST READING ORDINANCE: Amend Art. XXV Base 1st Reading
Building Lines -N.W. 9 Ave. bet. 15 St. & 18 S .
& N.W. 10 Ave. bet. 19 St. & 20 St. 70' R-O-W.
Close Alley bounded by NE 1st Ct. & 2d Ave.So. Res. 78-78
of the south right-of-way line N.E. 16 St.
Tentative Plat 976-B "Jefferson's Addition."
26-39
39-40
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41-42
FIRST READING ORDINANCE: Change zoning class. 1st Reading 42-44
ification N.W. corner of N.E. 4 Ct. at NE 55
Terr - from Cl to C4. ?;
Appeal by Applicant - Manuel Del Portillo - of 1st Reading i 45-50
Zoning Bd.'s denial of Variance-3513 S.W. 17
Terr. (Discussion and Defferred).
Review of Res. 72-415 which permitted Off -St. Mot. 78-79 1 50-53
Parking Lot at 1570 N.W. 26th Avenue,
Grant one year extension of Conditional Use toi Res. 78-80 53
Permit P,U,N, 1684 S.W. 24th Avenue.
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MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF THE
CITY COMMISSION OF MIAMI, FLORIDA
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On the 24th day of January, 1978, the City Commission of
Miami, Florida met at its regul:l.^ meeting place in the City Hall,
3500 Pan American Drive, Miami, Florida in regular session.
The meeting was called to order at 7:15 o'clock P.M,
by Maurice A. Ferre with the following members of the commission
found to be present:
AU.;O PRESENT:
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr,
Commissioner(Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Vice -Mayor Manolo Reboso
Mayor ?Maurice A. Ferre
Joseph R. Grassie, City Manager
R. L. Fosmoen, Assistant City Manager
George F. Knox, City Attorney
Ralph G. Ongie, City Clerk
Matty Hirai, Assistant City Clerk
A motion to waive the reading of the minutes was introduced
and seconded and was passed unanimously.
ALQINSIMRAT�QNOFA�IGCONDITIONAL USE TO PERMIT MEDICAL/�OWF�GS�
Mayor Ferre: Item #1. This is an appeal by the Applicant,
Fernando Nunez -Perez, of the Toning Board's Denial of Conditional
Use to permit medical or dental offices at 4370-72 West Flagler
Street. Is there anybody on this subject other than the applicant?
Is there anybody who wants to be heard on this other than the
applicant?
Mr. Plummer: Seeing that it will inconvenience no one but the
Applicant, I move ...
Mayor Ferre: We're grateful for all the deferrals we can get.
Rev. Gibson: Seconded.
A motion to defer this matter to another time was passed
and adopted by a unanimous vote of the Commission.
4, PREPARED RESOLUTION OF AMENDMENTS INCORPORATED INTO THE CONVENTION
CENTER AGIITS,
Mayor Ferre: Now, Mr, Worsham I see you walking in, You've been at
it all afternoon, Have you come back to us with a conclusion?
Mr, Worsham: Yes Mr. Mayor we have,
Mayor Ferre: Look like you were lucky enough to go home and change
clothes, that's more than I can say,
Mr, Worsham: No in fact I wasn't, but we have come back wl.th an
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MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF THE
CITY COMMISSION OF MIAMIs FLORIDA
On the 24th day of Januarys 1978s the City Commission of
Miami$ Florida tnet at its regtzlo.r meeting place in the City Halls
3500 Pah American Drives Miami, Florida in regular session,
The meeting was called to order at 7:15 o'clock P.M,
by Maurice A. Ferre with the following members of the commission
found to be present:
ALS') PRESENT:
Commissioner J. L. Plummer$ Jr,
Commissioner(Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Vice -Mayor Manolo Reboso
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
Joseph R. Grassie, City Manager
R. L. Fosmoen, Assistant City Manager
George F. Knox, City Attorney
Ralph G. 0ngie, City Clerk
Matty Hirai, Assistant City Clerk
A motion to waive the reading of the minutes was introduced
and seconded and was passed unanimously.
AL OF CONSIDERATION OF: GRANTING CONDITIONAL USE TO PERMIT MEDICAL/
AL OFFICES - 4370-72 W. FLAGLER STREET:
Mayor Ferre: Item #1. This is an appeal by the Applicant,
Fernando Nunez -Perez, of the Toning Board's Denial of Conditional
Use to permit medical or dental offices at 4370-72 West Flagler
Street. Is there anybody on this subject other than the applicant?
Is there anybody who wants to be heard on this other than the
applicant?
Mr. Plummer: Seeing that it will inconvenience no one but the
Applicant, I move ...
Mayor Ferre: We're grateful for all the deferrals we can get.
Rev. Gibson: Seconded.
A motion to defer this matter to another time was passed
and adopted by a unanimous vote of the Commission.
PREPARED RESOLUTION OF AMENDMENTS INCORPORATED INTO THE CONVENTION
CENTER AGREEMENTS.
Mayor Ferre: Now, Mr. Worsham I see you walking in. You've been at
it all afternoon. Have you come back to us with a conclusion?
Mr. Worsham; Yes Mr, Mayor we have,
Mayor Ferre: Look like you were lucky enough to go home and change
clothes, that's more than I can say,
Mr, Worsham: No in fact I wasn't, but we have come back with an
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answer and I think we have responded to the Commission's requests
the various requests made by you and Mr, Plummer and Mrs. Gordon
and the other Commissioners. I think that Mr. Connolly has a
synopses of those conclusions and the negotiations that took place
this afternoon.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Connolly, can we have copies of the synopses?
Mr. Connolly: You got them,
Mayor Ferret Is this it?
Mr. Connolly: Yes it's a resolution with a blank number on it.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr, Connolly as a point of informationsthese changes
that are on this sheet to be included in the contract when they are
included in the contract will it come back to this Commission before
it's signed by the City Manager?
Mr. Plummer: Background Comment,
Mrs. Gordon: That's what J. ice. and I just talked about.
Mr. Plummer: Wells let's incorporate it in here,
Mayor Ferre: No, I think she got a valid point. What we would do
is we would approve in substance the contract and it would authorize
you to proceed to put it in final form and then I think the final
signing of it we would do after it was put in final form and the
Commission had the opportunity to see it. I would be even willing
to do it this way, that once we get it,that we would have three days.
We would have three days to study it, read it, and if anybody had
any objections I would call a Special Commission Meeting, otherwise
Mrs. Gordon: I thought that's what J. L. thought the interpretation
of the wording in here was. Didn't you say that to me before?
Mr. Plummer: What I read here is Rose,"that these things that have
been deleted from are things that are still open and subject to
finalization".
Mrs. Gordon: Right.
Mayor Ferre: No. No, that's not it at all, is it? Is that what
it is?
Mr. Connolly: No sir it's not.
Mayor Ferre: I didn't think so.
Mr. Connolly: It is a resolution authorizing the City Manager to
execute these two agreements. Once all these changes which are the
result of this morning's meeting with the Commission incorporated.
Mayor Ferre: Well, that's exactly what I'm saying and what I'm
recommending Jim that we do is that you put this into the new
document and submit it to the Commission,hand delivered and then
we will pass a resolution three days after it was delivered, the
Manager would be authorized to sign it. Unless one member of the
Commission, any member of this Commission has veto power. You follow
me Rose:' If it's anything that you have any questions on...
Mrs. Gordon: I have one right now I'll bring it out and you can
change it so that it .. ,
Mayor Ferre: Fine, ,., I would recommend that we do the following;
Let's take five minutes to read it, It's only a three page document.
Let's read it and then we'll come back and see if we are covered
alright?
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Mayor Fetre: Everybody finished reading?
Mrs, Gordon: Yes sir, I have (one) change in wording in (b) to read;
The Agreement will provide the City of Miami Ad Valorem tax will be
the only tax credited against the rents payable to the City of Miami",
Mayor Ferret That the City of Miafni
Mrs, Gordon: Ad valorem tax will be the only tax to be credited
against rents payable to the city; and the reason for that is the
yes, and the possibility of taxes that might come about in the
future, Also, franchise tax or other tax, There are many areas
of possibilities,
Mayor Ferret It means the same to you except that it closes out
of the loopholes. That's better. Alright, any other changes?
Mrs. Gordon: Well, I questioned the sentence above it,but I was
told that the last paragraph took care of that,and my question was
the developer will have the right to generate such revenue producing
sources. Certainly we don't object to producing revenue but what
kind of sources would they be, but the last paragraph says that any
substantial changes must be approved so I have to feel that that's
covered by that. Am I right? Is that covered Jim?
Mr. Connolly: Yes.
Mrs. Gordon: Ok. Then the only or whatever I don't know, you know
anything could be a revenue producing that I don't foresee. Paragraph
(h) I just want you to explain that to me a little bit more fully
that's the one relating to the first refusal. I don't have my
contract with me.
Mayor Ferre: What it says as I understand it,is that no matter what
happens, no matter what stalling there may be or anything else,that
it cannot go beyond five years.
Mr. Connolly: That's correct.
_ Mayor Ferre: In other words, they'v,- got an option in which they
can, they've got six months but they can't push that six months more
than the five year period from when?
Mr. Connolly: From the date of execution of this contract.
Mrs. Gordon: To do what? I know.
Mr. Connolly: To come up with a developmental plan for phase (b)
that would be accepted by the City Commission.
Mayor Ferre: Suppose we get into a phase (b). See the reason why
I'm not too worried about it Rose is very simply because if they
get this thing approved tonight it'll be three years before they
open up that ...
Mrs. Gordon: I'm not worried about them having the first refusal.
Mayor Ferre: And so they have another two years, you know.
Mrs. Gordon: I have no objection to them at all I just want you to
you know, bring it out to it's fulliest of what specifically the
development of (b) phase would include.
Mr, Connolly: What we're including now is that under no circumstances,
no matter what the excuses it cannot be extended beyond five years,
Mrs, Gordon: Yes, I realize that but you're not answering my question,
What is the first refusal permit to be done on (b)? The garage or the
parking is our responsibility. ['That is their first refusal? The
hotel or something else?
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Mayor Ferre: If we decide to go out and put a fashion mart or
hotel or a world trade center or an exhibition hall or what
have you they've got the right,,,
Mrs, Gordon: ,., they want to be guaranteed that they can do
the same thing before anybody else can do it,
Mayor Ferre: What ever deal it is somebody comes in and says look,
the City of Miami we want to do this and we are going to give you
a million dollars a year for it, that's it, It's got to be a
bona fide offer, they've got to meet it and they've got six months
to meet it,
Mrs, Gordon: I have no objection to the developer having first
refusal, I just want that understood. I just wanted the clarificat-
ion on the record ok. That's my questions and that's it,
Mayor Ferre: Mr, Plummer.
Mr, Plummer: Mr. Mayor in section (d) I have no trouble with the
wording as it appears but I think the University might have. It gives
equal rights to the developer in the city but it doesn't spell out
an equal right to the University of Miami which I think we're in
this together...
Mayor Ferre: Very simple, why don't you just add and the City of
Miami's contract with the University of Miami is hereby recognized
and make it part and parcel. Their rights are recognized.
Mr. Plummer: Well, ok, I just think, you know, spell it out.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, but look, if you spell it out if new wording
you're going to get yourself in trouble because that is the subject for
a lawsuit. You know what this, what the University of Miami contract
says, right, you accept it, then you just say that this recognizes
the University of Miami's rights as per agreement of such and such
of thing that's all.
Mrs. Gordon: I think it's clear to this extent J. L., because what-
ever rights the city has,which is, the University is getting first
crack anyway, so we're going to share what's leftover equally,
correct? That's it.
Mr. Plummer:
Mayor Ferre:
Mr. Connolly:
developer to
As long as it's understood.
We don't want to end up with a tri-party lawsuit here.
We can't commit on the part of the University for the
Mayor Ferre: That's not the point.
Mr. Connolly: I think it is the point.
Mayor Ferre: No it isn't the point. The point is...
Mr. Connolly: The University is reviewing this agreement now by the
way. In final form they will ,..
Mayor Ferre: You cannot agree for the University,
Mr, Connolly: That's what I'm saying.
Mayor Ferre: I understand that. But that's_ not the point, The
point is not University, it's the Developer, Will the Developer
recognize universities contractual arrangements, you end up with
two contracts,ao you know I'm not a lawyer, but I know enough
about law that if you have two documents there always has to be
recognition of which one supersedes. The constitution supersedes,
you know, federal law supersedes state law and certain things,
You've got to say that since you have two contractual arrangements
for the city, the city has a contractual arrangement with the
University and now it has a contractual arrangement with the
developers,suppose there's a conflict between those two documents
you don't know you're not perfect,so the only way you can preclude
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that is by putting into this document that they recognize and
accept the University agreeriient► You follow me?
Mrs Connolly: That is in the document.
Mayor Ferret That is in the document.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I would like...
Mayor Ferrer Alright, Mr. Knox that's an very important point.
Mr. Knox: Well it's always preferable to specify which -- as between
two documents in the event of conflict which one should have precedent
otherwise the court could do it.
Mayor Ferre: I think the thing to do is just say that they
recognize, they, the Developers recognize in this document the
document signed between the City and the University, that's all.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, look, you know, what we're trying to do...
Mayor Ferre: Alright, is that acceptable to you?
Mr. Plummer: What I understand we're trying to accomplish in the
wording and the cleaning up of this document is to try to forestall
problems in the future. Now, I would feel much more comfortable
Mr. Grassie?if prior to your signing the execution of this contract,
that you have a letter in your file from the University of Miami.
Number one, they have reviewed it, and number two, that they have no
objections to this contract and I would want so stipulate that that
be, I want that to be a pr,rccgsisite of your signing the contract
that you have such a letter in your files...
Mayor Ferre: That's all very nice Plummer but that's second rate
because that's not binding. ine only way you can make it a factor
and all this islif you put it into this contract.
Mr. Plummer: Fine and there's no reason you can't do both.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, but then a lot ... doesn't mean anything. See
the important thing is that they recognize University of Miami
existence in a contractual obligation to the City of Miami so that
later on,there won't be any conflict as long as they do,that there
are no conflicts. Now, I think, I agree with you and I would sub-
scribe that that's finejthe University of Miami ought to send a
letter to Mr. Grassie and say that they've read it and they think
it's fine. Obviously, that's not a binding document, because later
on you know if you get into lawsuit somebody can say well, but that
was Dr. Henry King Stanford's opinion' but that doesn't bind the
University of Miami. It's not a legally binding document.
Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr. Mayor, a comment that I didn't make this
afternoon and because of your comments now•I will put on the record
that it bothered me that during a very critical time of this project that
there was no university of Miami representative here today,and they
are part and parcel of this very critical project, but yet when
we're talking about the very nitty gitty of theproject they had no-
one here,that bothered me, and because of that is the reason that I
said what I did. Number one, they've read the document and number
two, they have no objections and I see nothing wrong with that
Mr. Mayor, I mean if the University is here, you know they can speak
for themselves or they could have voiced an opinion today on these
particular items that we were talking about.
Rev, Gibson: Mr. Mayor, I move you sir that prior to the signing of
that document by the Manager that we have a written document from
the University of Miami certifying that they have read it and they
are in accord. I know that isn't binding in a lawsuit, but what it
doesitserves notice on us that they have read it, they've investi-
gated it, explored, and all of that, and I don't want it for the
Manager's file because the Manager isn't going to be doing, you know,
this is part of the contract, The Manager is not going to be voting,
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We're going to be doing the voting, The Manager is going to carry
out our instructions and I want to have the consulationj whatever
that iss that the University of Miami has been fully notified3
fully aware and have fully read it,
Mayor Ferre: Fathers I'll tell you we will incorporate that in
the final motions made here if there is one, That's one condition
alright?
Rev► Gibson: Yes sir,
Mayor Ferre: Any further questions? Reboso? Father?
Rev, Gibson: No sir.
Mayor Ferret 0k. I got one question: I kind of like this proportion,
How come you changed it from what we had before and you made it kind
of tougher now? Now, I'm very happy that you're going to have 607
rooms rather than 500, but why would you want to penalize the City
of Miami from making a little bit more money out of. that?
Mr. Worsham : It actually is not a penalization. At the same
dollar level of gross room receipts. The same number of dollars
come to the city but the total performance changes between 500 and
607 rooms quite appreciably, but the same level of gross receipts
is reflected in the same number of dollars to the city under both
of these sets.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, ok. You think that's nice, do you Jim?
Mr. Connolly: Well, it damages the developer's proforma which
of course is the thing he goes to his mortgage holder with. And,
just let me say that there was an appreciable change if we kept the
same numbers as 607 rooms to the point that it probably could not
be feasible.
Mayor Ferre: Let me ask you this Jim. On the Watson Island Project
we get a 2% alright. Now if the project ends up being a 40 million
dollar project or if it gets to be a 50 million dollar projects
we're still getting 2% of the returns. Now the reason why I'm
happy it's going to be a 50 million dollar project, even though the
amortization schedule and the debt service goes up; the fact is that this
will make it possible instead of having 21/2 million visitors,hopefully
we'll have 3 million visitiors, ok. Now with 3 million visitors,
I would assume that the return and 2% for the City of Miami is going
to be larger than the smaller project. Now, my question is this,
the developer is going from 500 to 607 rooms because that is more
feasible. It's ri.Skier, sure, but I guess they feel strongly enough that
this is a good enough piece of property where they're going to go
for a larger hotel. I'm happy. Are we going to be beneficiaries
along with them?
Mr. Connolly : Yes we certainly are.
Mayor Ferre: How do you figure that when the percentages are lower?
Mr. Connolly : The percentages are lower but the dollars are con-
sistently higher.
Mayor Ferre: Precisely the point. In other words, as I read this
the column on the left and the column on the right are fixed because
you're trying to figure out how it comes out at the schedule that
you had this morning which basically averages out of the $400,000
for a ten year period, is that correct? So $400,000 is what we get
on the left column and $400,000 is what we get on the right column
and that's why the percentages had to be lowered,
Mr, Connolly: I'o Mr, Mayor, in fact, that's not actually the case•'rne
the right hand side on the 607 rooms reflects the additional capital
cause with an escalating rent from 2% to 5% as against 20% of the
net operating profit responding to your request this morning which-
ever is higher,
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Mayor Ferre: Well, 20% is probably going to higher because you'tie
lowered this to the point where,,,
Mr, Worsham: No in fact, according to our ptoformance your request
produced in this particular scale which you will notice also goes
out at the rate of $5005000 per increment on that same percentage
that we proposed before, What it boils down to is that,'
explicitly according to our projections of income inthe sixth year,
20% of the net operating profit would yield to the city $3535000,
In the sixth year the percentage rent over here would be $3635000
or roughly $10,000 more so you would be going into,,,
Mayor Ferre: Yes, but you're not that much of a magician that's all
dependLng on what, a 75% occupancy- six year.
Mr. Connolly: Well, 72% is what this is proposed.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, suppose you have 90% occupancy in the sixth
year?
Mr.. Worsham: Then so much the better for you, you see, because
you would then participate if we have like 90% occupancy the revenues
would be up in the 13 million dollars level.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, but Mr. Worsham, I guess what I'm trying to
get at is this in the sixth year with a 500 room hotel granted your
increase to motor station and interest expense and operating expense
the difference between a 500 room hotel and a 607 room hotel is got
to be what, 20% more? At 72% occupancy...
Mr. Worsham: Would you repeat that. I'm not sure...
Mayor Ferre: What I'm trying to say is that obviously if you got an
airplane that carries more passengers and if you have 72%, you know
of a plane that carries 150 passengers and you have 72% occupancy
than a plane that carries 300 passengers;obviously the bigger plane
has more money involved even though the debt is going to be greater
and the ;iri-,r i;ation is greater.your cash flow is greater, your
depreciation is greater in the amount of revenues greater. So in
other words, if you can keep that plane full you're making more
money. What I'm saying is 72% occupancy in a 607 room hotel has got
to be cash flow wise and profit wise more than a 72% occupancy or
a 500 room hotel.
Mr. Worsham: That's correct and the city participates in that.
Mayor Ferre: Not if you lower Mr. Worsham, the percentages like you've
done.
Mr. W asham: No I really haven't. I haven't lowered the percentages.
The percentages have stayed exactly the same as they were proposed
on gross room revenues,but the base begins at a different level. If
you'll notice again the percentages,and if you looked back to the
original proposal Mr. Mayor the percentages are exactly the same.
The incremental percentages' as it goes from 2% to 2.3% for example,
are exactly the same. In other words, another $500,000 worth of
revenue but the difference is where do you start? On 500 rooms we
started at 5 million dollars in sales. On the 607 rooms we started
at $8,500,000 in sales.
Mayor Ferre: I accept that.
Mr, Worsham: And, the reason for that is because our cost is greater
and obviously we have to have more sales as a beginning point.
Mayor Terre: I understand that, Because your breaking point obviously
is, so you have to ,,, I understand that and I have no objections with
starting higher up the ladder where I think what has happened here and
I don't know our negotiator, I'm asking him because he represented us
but I think what you did is you took the figures that you estimated
as a return that the city should get and you adjusted the scale to that,
Mr. Worsham; No sir I really didn't exactly, It was based upon
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keeping the percentages. We discussed the possibilities of corning
back on i you know 3 just a fixed percentage 4 but we felt that in the
cont-rit of our original proposal of where we had a scale percentage
so that where the hotel became more successful the city d uld
participate more and more 3 that's our basic concept and so we kept
the percentage scale exactly the same but we changed the beginning
point because of the extra cost, That's all we did, It really is
exactly the same if you compare it with exception of where do you
start and what level of sales do you start,
Mayor Ferre: I accept starting at a higher level because your cash
flow is different, What I have problems with again is how you changed
the percentages and I think that what that in effect does, is that in
your sixth year,there's not going to be a heck of a lot difference
for the city as far as revenue is concerned,having a 500 room hotel
with your left schedule,as having a 607 room hotel without schedule,
Mr. Worsham: Oh absolutely, I have a chart for the city's participat-
ion that I could give you a copy of to show you the difference, The
City will get at least *100,000 more to the city as a result of the
607 rooms.
Mayor Ferre: Well, I'm going to accept that, you know, on its face
but let me be very specific in the sixth year if you were to sell
9 million dollars with a 500 room hotel we would get 4.10, ...
Mr. Worsham: Yes sir.
Mayor Ferre: You know, for that increment between 8% and 9 and
then 3,8 for the increment lower and so on, ok, and I'm saying
that if you figured that out, that's exactly 9 million dollars and
if on the other hand you go over to the other point and that is
that 9 million dollars at the other scale we started 20. I realize
that it won't be 9 million for both because obviously you got a
bigger hotel so it's different, but I question very much whether
we'd be much better off. I know what I'm saying Earl, I guess is
that I don't see where the City of Miami is getting any value out
of the additional expenditure in the larger hotel.
Mr. Worsham: If you'll give me just a moment,I have a chart and I
will, do you have some copies of that Jim? I have a specific chart
and will show you the difference.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Worsham,' understand what this is but you see, I
saw this. This is the figure you showed me yesterday, but as I see
this, this only speaks to the 20% of profit participation.
Mr. Worsham: That's correct Mr. Mayor. Now, I have worked out the
numbers based upon your request of today pursuant to this schedule
based upon this exact same figure, these exact same figures. First
of all let me draw your attention to the original proposal on
Year II the city would get $277,700. On the 600 room proposal,at
20a of the profits,the city would get $313,000.alright that's
considerable more money. Now going to the formula ...
Mayor Ferre: Earl, don't waste any time because I agree with what
you're putting up here but that's not what we're talking about.
Mr. Wb rsham: Yes sir. Yes sir it is because what I was going to
go on to point out is that in the loth year based upon this exact
same proforma;in the loth year you will be into the 5% level of
sales. You will be getting *562,000 plus the base rent, plus the
base rent now which will be $250,000 so that's about the same.
So it's approximately the same but it wasn't.. You get $562,000
from the percentage room sales as against actually $515,000
Mayor Ferre: 515, I see 829 on the 10th here,
Mr, Wcrsham: Yes, that's plus the base rent you see this is the
participation rent and the participation rent, but let me assure
you it's exactly, if you go back to the proposal it's exactly the
same percentage scale going up exactly the same amount of money for
each level as each
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percentage goes up but it starts at a higher base because we have
higher capital cost.
Mr. Plummer: Are you saying the 829 in the 10th year includes the
base rent?
Mr. Worsham: Yes sir.
Mr. Plummer: What is the base rent?
Mr. Worsham: The base gent in the loth year was $2505000 and the
participation rent that we have calculated on the 600 room level
is $5765000.That compares to our original proposal on 500 rooms of
55950005 say 5605000 so it's almost $3005000 difference. No
Mr, Mayor I'm not trying to box you in at all. It's an either or
situation. The hotel does not perform on the 20% level. You will
get it from the gross receipts level and that's what we tried to
do, but we don't want to construct a formula on gross receipts
that doesn't make any sense with relation to our bottom line. It
really, that's what we tried to do.
Mayor Ferre: Ok. I got a point here. In effect what this means
is that even though it's harder for us since you're going to have
a larger hotel. What you've done is you made 8 million dollars in
sales with a smaller hotel comparable to 11/ million dollars in
sales with a larger hotel,and so,we end up getting the same amount
of money in the small hotel at 8 million dollars,to do as well as with
the larger hotel;this bar means that we got to get up to 11.5 million,
see.
Mr. Worsham: Mr. Mayor that's if we want to back off to the option
of gross hotel sales.
Mayor Ferre: No, not back off. What I was trying to do is I was
trying to get a difference, an additional formula so that if hotel
rooms do well we have that as a back-up. On the other hand I don't
blame you for being very conservative about it because you're not
going to give away anything.
Mr. Worsham: Well, basically what you have is this we had come,
the developer had made a proposal where the participation of rent
would be based upon the gross room sales. That was turned down
by the CommissionAthen we went to a 20% of net profit and then you
asked for something to go back off onto on back off to net room
sales again,and what we did :as we took the 500 room proforma and
of course, that reflects directly into what is in the agreement and
then we took the 607 room proforma based upon the same proforma
coming out with basically the same number of dollars either way,and
that's what the scale comes out to as listed here;so that we're not
looking at any changes. We're saying that if for some reason,the
retail business collapses and that we only have a hotel we will be
able to garner the same amount of revenue to the city under either
option.
Mr. Plummer: When was this sheet put together?
Mr. Worsham: That sheet. It was over the weekend,
Mr. Grassie: I wonder Mr. Mayor if the answer to your question
lies in making a judgment about whether or not the proforma on a
500 room hotel and the proforma on a 607 hotel progress the way
this schedule is laid out. In other words, does it take us the
same amount of developer effort to get the 8 million dollars with
500 rooms as it does to get 11/ million dollars with 607 rooms?
Mayor Terre; Well, I think the question is much more basic than
that,and the real question is this,when this hotel goes to it's
maximum potential,whether it's the 8th year or the loth year and
it gets to its maximum rentability. Under the 500 room formula
are we better off financially than we are with the 607 motel ?That's
the key question. What happens at the maximum: What happens when
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the hotel is fully sold out to maximum amount of money? Remember
you're talking about, I want to remind you that you're talking about
a 90 year contract.
Mr. Grassie: Mr. Worsham is the Mayor's question clear? As I
understands you knows what we're asking is,this schedule gives the
impression that it makes no difference whether you build 500 rooms
or 607,the amount of return to the city will be the same, It gives
that impression.
Mr. Worsham: I'm sorry that it does Mr. Grassiesbut it's very
explicitlysmathematically it does not, and I would be, you know very
happy to 'assure you absolutely that the city will make more money
with the 600 room hotel than they will the 500 room hotel by either
formula, either the p<rcentage formula or the...
Mayor Ferre: I'm not interested in the 20% formula. We're just
talking about this formula.
Mr. Worsham: By that formula they will make more money, the hotel
will make more money than it would, I mean the city would make more
money under that formula than they would under the same formula with
the 500 room hotel.
Mayor Ferre: You understand that I'm not in any way questioning your
word on this,but you know the city has to look at it from the city's
point of view. Did Mr. Gunderson or somebody in our Accounting
Department reject that out or did you Mr. Connolly? You personally
did? Alright, then let me ask you the question then. With the
projections when this hotel reaches, whenever it reaches a 90 or 95%
occupancy in your opinion what will be the return for the c_ty under
the 607 room formula as projected here: Assuming cott._atants, you know.
Mr. Worsham: flr. Mayor. at 95% occupancy it would appear that you
would be into the maximum 50, ok. That the city would make $1,150,000
approximately on participation rent plus the $250,000 base rent at
95% occupancy.
Mayor Ferre: Is this how you figure things this afternoon?
Mr. Worsham: No. I have a ...
Mayor Ferre: I'm not asking you Earl., I'm asking Jim, because Jim
is the guy that's supposed to be doing the figuring for the City
of Miami. You noticed I asked him the question and you calculated
and answered. I'm asking Mr. Connolly as a Representative of the
City of Miami)have you on your own looked at this9 calculated it and
gone to whoever you want to here in the City of Miami that may have
the formulas or the computer to figure out what this return is?
Mr. Connolly: I hadn't checked with the revenue to the city yet.
This is done from 60% up to 72% which is the average, however,I
myself projected beyond that at 5% ... I don't have that here, but
I'd like to point something out to you. If you look at this table
that's in this resolution you're talking about there's a reflection
of a 40% differential in the trigg9r levels between a 500 room and
607 room. 607 rooms is actually equivalent to 630 rooms which is a
26% level alright and change.
Mayor Ferre: I accept that.
Mr. Connolly: There are some things that influence that and number
one is that the level of investment per room in those additional
rooms are appreciably higherrand the other thing is that the average
daily rate is appreciably higher because they are rooms that are
really suites,so that when you look at the number of rooms being
rented you will find that they are not c'orre3 at i ng as you go across
here.
Mayor Ferre: Ok. I accept the whole proforma, I think we've
gone through this enough and I am satisfied that we're going to be
relying on that 20% formula I think most of the time unless the
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motel is just one hell of a success and it's 100% occupied or
80 or 90% and then I think,,.
Mrs. Gordon: I think we are too because the hotel itself doesn't
take in the retail shops and we know for sure that they're going
to be a bang=up.., got to be.
Mayor Ferre: So in other words, this gives up another leg to
stand if the retail doesn't go or the hotel,., we'll see,..
Mr, Plummer: Mr., Worsham, who is going to operate the hotel?
Mr. Worsham: Mr. Plummer we have had serious, serious discussions
with several other very major chains in America, I would like to
answer your question but I don't know, We want to get the best
operator that we possibly can that can do the best job for the
City, University of Miami and for us that would do the best job for
the City...
Mr. Plummer: The only answer you're giving me then at this time
is you're not going to operate.
Mr. Worsham: Oh, absolutely not. We will have a nationally
recognized name hotel operator, professional.
Mayor Ferre: He's negotiating right now so he can't tip his hand
he's got two or three people,
Mrs. Gordon: Can we move along Mr. Mayor, it's 8:00 o'clock?
Mayor Ferre: What's the will of this Commission at this point then?
Is there a motion on this with the stipulation that Father Gibson
put into it about the University of Miami.
Mrs. Gordon: And the change that I recommended.
Mayor Ferre: And the changes that Mrs. Gordon read into the record.
Now, Mr. Grassie, let's understand what the game plan is on this.
This is all to be put into a new document. The document is to be
sent to the Univepsity of Miami for a letter of approval upon receipt
of the document this Commission will have three days, three working
days, I don't mean the weekend, three working days, ok. And, by
the end of the third working day at 5:00 o'clock in the afternoon
no Commissioner has put in any objections you go ahead and sign it.
If there is an objection to you and the Commission will address their
objections to you and you will so notify me and I will call a special
meeting to work out whatever ...
Mrs. Gordon: I would suggest you say in writing so that there would
be no question.
Mayor Ferre: In writing if by the end of the third working day at
5 P.M. in the afternoon you have not received any objections by any
members of this Commission then you are authorized to proceed and
sign it. Otherwise we'll call a Special Commission Meeting.
Mr. Plummer: I have another question Mr. Grassie but let's let this
go because it's related indirectly...
Mayor Ferre: .... Now we're talking about both of these contracts
because you got one for construction and one for the lease.
Mr. Plummer: But we're going to do them separately I assume.
Mayor Ferre: We don't need to do them separately do we ?
Mr. Plummer: Then the next question has to be who is the Construction
Manager?
Mayor. Ferre: The company itself,
Mr. Connolly: The Construction Manager is Miami Associates, Inc.
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motel is just one hell of a success and it's 100% occupied or
80 or 90% and then I think,..
Mrs. Gordon: I think we are too because the hotel itself doesn't
take in the retail shops and we know for sure that they're going
to be a bang-up,., got to be.
Mayor Ferre: So in other words; this gives up another leg to
stand if the retail doesn't go or the hotel.., we'll see.,,
Mr, Plummer: Mr., Worsham, who is going to operate the hotel?
Mr, Worsham: Mr, Plummer we have had serious, serious discussions
with several other very major chains in America. i would like to
answer your question but I don't know. We want to get the best
operator that we possibly can that can do the best job for the
City] University of Miami and for us that would do the best job for
the City...
Mr. Plummer: The only answer you're giving me then at this time
is you're not going to operate.
Mr. Worsham: Oh, absolutely not. We will have a nationally
recognized name hotel operator, professional.
Mayor Ferre: He's negotiating right now so he can't tip his hand
he's got two or three people.
Mrs. Gordon: Can we move along Mr. Mayor, it's 8:00 o'clock?
Mayor Ferre: What's the will of this Commission at this point then?
Is there a ;notion on this with the stipulation that Father Gibson
put into it about the University of Miami.
Mrs. Gordon: And the change that I recommended.
Mayor Ferre: And the changes that Mrs. Gordon read into the record.
Now, Mr. Grassie, let's understand what the game plan is on this.
This is all to be put into a new document. The document is to be
sent to the University of Miami for a letter of approval upon receipt
of the document this Commission will have three days, three working
days, I don't mean the weekend, three working days, ok. And, by
the end of the third working day at 5:00 o'clock in the afternoon
no Commissioner has put in any objections you go ahead and sign it.
If there is an objection to you and the Commission will address their
objections to you and you will so notify me and I will call a special
meeting to work out whatever ...
Mrs. Gordon: I would suggest you say in writing so that there would
be no question.
Mayor Ferre: In writing if by the end of the third working day at
5 P,M. in the afternoon you have not received any objections by any
members of this Commission then you are authorized to proceed and
sign it. Otherwise we'll call a Special Commission Meeting.
Mr. Plummer: I have another question Mr. Grassie but let's let this
go because it's related indirectly...
Mayor Ferre: .,.. Now we're talking about both of these contracts
because you got one for construction and one for the lease.
Mr. Plummer: But we're going to do them separately I assume.
Mayor Ferre: We don't need to do them separately do we ?
Mr. Plummer; Then the next question has to be who is the Construction
Manager?
Mayor Ferre: The company itself,
Mr, Connolly; The Construction Manager is Miami Associates, Inc.
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which is the .:.
Mayor Ferre: Which is the same people .,,
Mr, Connolly: It's actually a joint venture of Turner Construction
Company with Frank J. Rooney will be retained by the principles of
the development firm,
Mr. Grassie: One clarification Mr. Mayor, The same rules that
we've outlined for the City Commission also apply to the University.
Mayor Ferre: I would three days is plenty of time and I would out
of courtesy to them Joe, please would you call up Henry King
Stanford and tell them personally so that he doesn't... don't let
the mail, you know, get us into a problem. ':r. Knox, would you
please call up Mr. Cole, the Attorney for the University of Miami
and let him know that the contract is underway that they've got
three days, ok?
Mr. Connolly: The University was given copies of the document and
they sent a letter that they did not have enough time to review it
by today.
Mayor Ferre: Now, they got plenty of time now. Alright are there
any further questions on this?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Connolly, I'm assuming now that we are speaking
in the area of the 607 room hotel, and we have discounted the 500
room hotel.
Mr. Connolly: I believe so, yes.
Mr. Plummer: I direct your consiaeration that we never spoke of
the 600 before. We spoke of the 500. I am now concerned of parking.
As spelled out in this contract and let's admit the truth you're
going to need more parking when you have more hotel rooms anc: doesn't
that alter 9.1 where it spells out the number of automobiles.
Mayor Ferre: Sure it does and you're going to have to adjust that
in your final document.
Mr. Plummer: Got to adjust that.
Mayor Ferre: Well, you look at your final document ,you got three
days to look at it. If you got any problems all you got to do is
write up a letter to the Manager...
Mr. Plummer: Hopefully if I can bring it up now then I don't have
to call for another meeting.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, further discussion, and I would hope Mr.
Manager that you would give us the right to talk to Mr. Connolly
directly on any questions that we have or do you want us to go
through you?
Mr. Grassie: No I think that the most expeditious thing for you to
do would be to ask him the questions directly and get those answers.
Mayor Ferre: Alright further. discussion. Call the roll.
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The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner
Gordon, who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO, 78-74
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO
EXECUTE CONTRACTS WITH MIAMI ASSOCIATES LTD,
FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, OPERATION AND CONSTRUCTION
OF THE CITY OF MIAMI CONVENTION CENTER/UNIVERSITY
OF MIAMI JAMES L, KNIGHT INTERNATIONAL CENTER
SUBSTANTIALLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TERMS AND
CONDITIONS OF THE LEASE AND AGREEMENT FOR PRIVATE
DEVELOPMENT AND THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT
SERVICES AGREEMENT ATTACHED SUBJECT TO PROVISIONS
AND EXCEPTIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY COMMISSION,
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner. (Rev.) Gibson, the
resolution was passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
Mayor Ferre: Good Luck.
Mr. Connolly: Thank you very much Mr. Mayor, Mrs. Gordon, Commissioner
thank you.
Mr. Plummer: My question now Mr. t•'crsham will involve you. Mr. Grassie,
this man is under a timetable for as I recall six months. Now the
question has been raised about the archaeological dig. Is the time
frame going to be permissible to allow him to start in six months?
Mr. Grassie: My impression is that archaeological dig has a specific
time limit of 60 days.
Mr. Plummer:
Mr. Grassie:
Mr. Plummer:
Mr. Grassie:
now, but the
Mr. Plummer:
Total?
Yes.
Even if they find something?
Yes they are finding things. They are finding things
length of time allowed for the dig is sixty days.
Let me get the answer about the dig.
Mr. Connolly: Alright, the contract with the state and then we, of
course,we let a local contract for the diggers work of the state
people was for a total period of 15 weeks there might be an extension
we've worked out with the critical ... people from the Turner
when...
Mayor Ferre: Jim, I'm going to cut you off because I'll tell you,
that's fine but you call J. L. tomorrow and talk to him because
he has nothing else to do, but we
Mr, Connolly: Just let me say again that the agreement with the
federal government and the state is that there will be a statement
of no effect issued by both. That means we can go ahead and .,.
that's the most important thing we have,
JAN 241978
MOM RESOLUTION: PERM OF NING IN WALL AT cumx SH PING PLAZA.
Mayor Ferre: Alright; at this time Iid like to recognize a former
City of Miami Commissioner who served this community with great
distinctioniGeirge Du Breuil,
Mr, Du Breuil: Thank you Mr. Mayor, ladies and gentlemen of the
Commission. I'm here as I think most of us are well aware about
the hole in the wall at llth Street between 37th & 39th Avenue.
We have presented this probably about five times. We've met with the
Grapeland Heights people on two or three occasions now. I have
great respect for the people in the Grapeland Heights Area. This
boils down to the fact that the area that is in question is the
Driver's License of the City of Miami in the State of Florida for
the approval of it. The area we have met with your Planning Staff.
Planning has recommended this hole in the wall as it's been called,
where the Driver's License , State has assured us that they will
open and close the wall. It would be opened, the entrance way from
8 in the morning until 5 in the afternoon and at that time they
would close it. They would open it in the morning. I think all of
the Commissioners is very much aware of this hole in the wall and
it's the emergency nature that we see that if they cannot work out
something with the City, then they intend to look elsewhere to try
and find a place where they can operate and also for giving_ the
Driver's License test, therefore because of properties and so on
they can talk for themselves , but the Major has been down from
Tallahassee on about five occasions that I'm aware of and they are
here again this evening. They feel that at the recommendation of
Mr. Plummer,one time they looked at the Commissioner Plummer, they
looked over at the Orange Bowl and other areas and facilities. The
only area because of the cost of land, would possibly be
somewhere located in the County, this therefore, would then have an
effect on the entire population of the City of Miami for automobile
inspection, therefore we feel that the necessity of this taking the
automobiles off the road trying to cooperate with the Grapeland
Heights people, there's any number of specifications if we put on
this. At this time the Planning Staff, if they would let the
Commission know and spell it out. I think you all have the Ordinance
and Planning has recommended this to my understanding. Thank you.
Mr. Plummer: George, I had asked you at the last meeting to bring
somewhat of a diagram as proffered by the Shopping Center owner of
the course that he would place on the site as he proffered to help
alleviate the testing and stuff in the neighborhood and I hope you
brought a copy of that. I've seen it.
Mr. Du Breuil: I have our Architect here ...
Mr. Plummer: But my fellow Commissioners, I don't think, have had
that opportunity.
Mr. Du Breuil: Mr. Bill Lyon, an Architect, would you..
Mr. Plummer: Did you bring the diagram?
Mr. Lyon: I'm William J. Lyon, Watson Deutschman, Kruse & Lyon
Architects...
Mr. Du Breuil: Mr, Lyon would be happy to try to explain that
diagram to you it would be built very similar to this particular one
as far as the diagram and it would fit into the area that's designated
on the map.
Mrs, Gordon: This isn't the property. Oh, I just want to see the
property that you're on now,
Mr, Plummer: What I'm trying to bring out to you Rose , ok, so you
all understand and you did not have the opportunity that I did,
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Don't you just have a plot plan?
Mr, Du Breuil: This area here would be the drive=in area,
Mr, Plummer: The existing place is here where they have the testing
ok, Now what he is offering to dois in this area here put a course
such as this which today it has been said by everyone, that's not the
only thing they agreed on th t they used the neighborhood to teach
people how to drive before they take the test, Now what he is saying
and has offered to do is to put this here in this area so that it
will take as proffered relief off of the residential area and let
them use this area here to teach and I guess test, both,..
Mayor Ferre: Well, where is the hole in the wall?
Mr. Plummer: Here's the hole in the wall here. Now there's also
another hole somewhere for pedestrian.
Mr. Du Breuil: It would be adjoining that ...
Mr, Plummer: No it cannot be. It's spelled out, It's to be two
individual because this hole in the wall ... this is not to be
any larger than to accommodate a passenger car, It is to be small
enough in size that it will not accommodate a truck, so if you...
Mayor Ferre: Is that the one where you can go and can't go in?
Mr, Plummer: Well, yes, but this is to be used for existing only.
Well I'll tell you if you do like this shopping center that's
coming up later it'll last because if not it'll sure pump you some
tires.
BACKGROUND COMMENTS MADE OFF THE RECORD.
Mr. Plummer: Why not exist here? Ok, the problem, when we been
through this before Rose. If you come out here the light is here,
ok, and you cannot accommodate this traffic by this light.
Rev. Gibson: Right.
Mr. Du Breuil: The traffic is coming this way back up to the light
there's no way to get out ....
Mr. Plummer: Now one other thing, is this the avenue?
Mr. Du Breuil: It's in line with the avenue.
Mr. Plummer: Alright, because the one thing that the neighbors
were most insistent upon that if they do get beat and the hole in
the wall appears,that they would want it at the avenue, not, I think
its been shown properly up here before that they wanted it here at
this avenue so that people could go this way if necessary.
Mrs. Gordon: Now this is the reason you brought this one to show
us what you put in here.
Mr. Du Breuil:This is what we've got at Coral Reef. What we would
have to do is take their format and steel this down to fit that
format and then by doing this Mrs. Gordon ... you would not only
save us time going out here all the way around involving people over
here and would be able to test our people here and we would be able
to test our people here and then the afternoon when we got through
Mrs, Gordon: Yes. Where do you test them now?
Mr. Du Breuil: We're testing over here in the
..... .... .................._....
Mrs, Gordon: You wouldn't be testing in the streets at all anymore.
Mr, Du Breuil; No ma'am,
Mrs, Gordon: Well, do the people know that, do they realize that?
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Mr= Du Breuil; We've tried to explain it to them) yes ma'am,
Mrs, Gordon: Alright,.,
BACKGROUND COMMENTS MADE OFF THE RECORD,
Mayor Fevre:
at this time?
Alright; is there anybody else you'd like to present
Mr, Du Breuil: I would like just the Major to repeat what he has
said before it's all in the record ,,, just he's come all the t4ay
from Tallahassee,
Mayor Ferret Major I know that Tallahassee is cold and we're warm
down here' perhaps you might want to tell us how much you enjoy
coming down to visit us all the time.
Major Keith: It's a real pleasure Mr, Mayor, but for the record)
it's been a long ordeal and we realize that this is a real tough
decision for you people to make and ...
Mayor Ferre: It affects the neighborhood and the people that live
there.
Major Keith: Right, but I do feel like that if the Commission sees it's
proper to go in this direction that it will eliminate us from going
over there in that section. It'll also eliminate the commercial
driving school from teaching people over there and I think it'll
be best for everyone)so we'll abide by your judgment. Thank you.
Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr. Mayor, may I please, there are eight items
presently incorporated as conditions. I think that a 9th and 10th
has to be incorporated regardless of which way the vote goes assuming
Number 9, would be that the opening be
(I don't want to say parallel) what do I want to say, that the
opening coincides with 38th Avenue, ok,, aligned with...
Mr. Du Breuil: We moved it that's where it is on the drawing.
Mr. Plummer: Well, I'm putting it here to incorporate if this thing
passes that in fact it will part of the resolution. Item # 10 of
condition would be that the on sight course as volunteered by the
owner will be constructed. Do you want to call it, what do you
call it? I call it an on -sight course. What's the proper terminol-
ogy? That's close enough?
Mr. Du Breuil: Close as you could get to it,yes sir.
Mrs. Gordon: Would youu_call it on -sight testing course?
Mr. Plummer: 0h wait a minute, I'm sorry, I'm sorry number 8 addresses
itself to that. 8 says provide an on -sight driving course at the
Northwest corner of the Shopping Center for use by the State Division
of Drivers... well now wait a minute. If you did that you're limiting
it just to the state's use and I think that as I understood it, it
was to encourage the schools also to use that course, am I correct?
0h I see what you mean, it accomplishes the same,ok. It makes sense.
Mr. Fosmoen: I asked if the Commission would add the department's
review and approval of the interior lay -out we noticed some problems
with it in the very cursory review that you were having.
Mr, Plummer: Well, let me ask this question. We've got an item
coming up later in reference to that shopping center on 27th Avenue,
does anybody have their sheet on that handy:
Mr, Davis: It's item number 13 Mr. Plummer,
Mr. Plummer: May I borrow this here? Mr, Fosmoen would you come
over here and look at this and then you can understand what I'm
saying by picture more so than by „ what do you call that thing?
I' call that a tire tear -upper. Alright...
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Mr, Du Breuil: Please don't involve us for that, This is the
state road police thatts going to be protecting and opening and
closing and.,,
Mr. Plummer: This is bad news. I withdraw it,
Mr. Rebosot Any other speakers on behalf of the opening?
Mr, Du Breuilt I think that's all and in fairness to this Commission
you all have heard it,
Mr. Plummer: God knows we've heard it a11.
Mr, Reboso: Will you please state your name and address for the
record please?
Mrs, Gentry: Yes. I'm Mrs. John Gentry. I represent Grapeland
Heights Civic Association, I don't know why we're here, but we're
here. I don't know where to start. I'm suppose to put everything
in the record tonight, and I'm a little nervous. In 1959 when this
was started, I'll be brief. 25th of May, 1959 is when this was all
started we were given a 50 ft. set -back from the streets on N.W.
llth Street & 39th Avenue. We were also given 200 ft. inside that
as a buffer zone where there would be no buildings erect:ei. Ok.
In 1974, the Central Shopping Plaza asked to have that changed to
allow a bank to go in and we lost the 200 ft. inside the buffer zone.
We lost 30 ft. of a 50 ft, set -back. We now and for that we were
given a solid wall on N.W. llth Street and also on 39th Avenue.
We've been done here so many times. It's been deferred so many
times, ok. They are amending your resolution 74-970. Do you want
me to read that to you or just the parts that affects us?
Mr. Plummer: I would say the parts that affects this evening's
application.
Mrs. Gentry: Ok. That the wall which exist be raised to a level of
6 ft.,that landscaping be adequate to hide the wall from the outside
view,that any egress to the north shall be permitted to exist on
37th Avenue. That there be compliance with the code as to lighting
and adequate drainage;that all the above shall be subject to review
12 months from the date of occupancy. Now, this 12 months review
apparently has not taken place because this is still tied in with the
bank. You allow them to put in the drive-in teller windows, they now
are using that area as a storage. There is five trailers in there.
The two that was the original temporary bank on the other side of
the shopping center and three other trailers are stored back there.
So it's becoming...
Mrs. Gordon: Where Dottie?
Mrs. Gentry: Next to the drive-in teller windows.
Mrg. Gordon: Is that the space that we're shelling for the course?
Mrs. Gentry: I haven't seen that. We haven't seen that. It's to
the north of the drive-in teller windows, right next to them. Ok.
It's beginning to look like a junkyard back there. So, let me see
now, the next thing...
Mr. Plummer: Well, now wait a minute, because what you're saying is
a different, somewhat different animal. Now, Mr. Grassie, she is, as
I understand it is bringing up zoning violations that exist because
somebody hasn't followed through. Now I'm hoping that somebody, is
anybody writing down these things?
Mr. Davis: Mr. Plummer, Mrs. Gentry's husband, Mr, Gentry called me
this afternoon and I relayed this complaint to the Building Department,
Zoning Division this afternoon,
Mr. Plummer: Ok, As long as it's followed through,
Mrs, Gentry: We turned this complaint in several months ago Mr, Whipple
has it and,,, I bring this up because we are reviewing the whole
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situation as it affects us, ok, Now your motion, this resolution
was to give us the solid wall and since then we've had to re=
confirm that about four or five times and as you know this has
been deferred for reasons that the Commission just couldn't get
to it a few times. Now in September I believe it was Mr, Reboso
asked me if we would get 200 names on a petition. We got over
200 names Mr, Reboso and here they are that I would like to
present to your These are people objecting to any opening ih the
wall on N.W. llth Street, Now when the wall was put in they left
a paved driveway at the end of 38th Avenue I suppose hoping some=
day they would be able to get the opening, but they put that in
from the beginning so this has been in the works all the time and
I don't know if anyone from the city ever caught that,but we did,
We just waited to see. We have several people that want to speak.
We have a lot of people from the area. One little Spanish lady that
lives right at 38th Avenue, her husband had a heart attack and she's
not here. She's home taking care of him. I will turn the floor
over to someone else and then maybe I'll speak later.
Mayor Ferret Alright are there other speakers?
Mr. Bush: My name is Ken Bush. I live at 3725 N.W. llth Street. I think
Dottie has pretty much covered it but I would like to go back just
a little bit. I've heard many times what Grapeland Heights has been
given by the City of Miami, but I would also like to tell you what
has been taken away from Grapeland Heights. The area itself was
cut in half with the expressway that's number one. Number two, they
threw the Marriott Hotel up in the back of us there. They pulled
down the huge hedge they had along there which more or less hid the
theatre that was there. It was nice with the hedge there. They
come down and cut that all down. They also threw an exit or an
entrance from that Marriott into the residential area in there then
they come along with the Shopping Center. They built the Shopping
Center against our wishes which we fought. They did put restrictions
on but this Commission seen fit to lift those restrictions. We were
against that bank. We advised and said that at the time that 39th
Avenue would become unbearable which it has,and I would like also
to tell now that it's not being enforced there on 39th Avenue the
cars are parked all the way down 39th Avenue. Tney've put up
No Parking signs all along there it just looks like a business area
there. Now the only thing that we ask was that that wall not be opened that
we asked but it was the only thing we were given and it was promised
by you Mr. Plummer that if we conceded to these wishes that these
people wanted that,
you would see that that wall was kept closed.
Now we're down here again for about the fifth time on this thing.
Now I think that it's been proven by Mr. Highsmith and them that they
can put that driving school and testing area inside the boundaries
of that shopping center. Why do they need the hole in the wall if
they can do that? There's no need for it.. The only reason they want
that is because the shopping center itself wants it for the bank to
let the people in and out of that bank. The License Bureau has got
no reason for it, no reason whatsoever. You can't tell me that
that shopping center is going to let the License Bureau there when
they're getting a revenue and a rent from those people. There's no
way they're going to let them go out of there. They're going to go
ahead and pave that thing and do just the way it is so they won't
lose those people. Right now you're talking about that place being
opened between 8 and 5. Between 8 and 5 I can't get out of my yard
now the traffic since they're put the light at llth Street and 37th
Avenue and the one at LeJeune Rd. and 37th Avenue they used it for
a thoroughfare you can't get in and out of your yard. So I think
it's really unfair. There's just a one thing left that we have in
our neighborhood and that is to try to keep that traffic out of there
and I think we deserve that much. Thank you.
Mayor. Ferre: I'll tell you that's a very well succinct expressed
statement of how the neighborhood feels and I appreciate your
statement. Are there any other speakers? Dorothy, you want to
add anything else?
Mrs, Gentry: I just want to say that nothing has changed, The
wall is the only thing we have left, Please leave it that way.
We'll work with them with everything else, We helped them get the
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shopping center in there.
Mayor rerrei .... let me ask you and I'm not in anyway guessing
nor am I privy to what this Commission is going to do, I'm
just thinking ahead in case the Commission does vote in faVor of
opening that hole in the Mall. What are the amenities in the things
that you think might iinpt* Ve7 I'm not saying that anything makes it
acceptable, but if it does go through and there is three votes on
this Commission, What are the things that you think would make it
a little bit more palatable.
Mrs. Gentry: Well, we haven't seen the plan. We don't know any-
thing about their plan for inside.
Mayor Ferre: Would you show Mrs. Gentry the plan for inside and
would you show it to the neighbors that are here so that they
understand exactly what your intentions are?
Mr. Du Breuil: Mr. Mayor and Commissioners we appeared at their
club facilities and so on,Oh Gosh,sometimes back.
Mayor Ferre: Oh, but Mrs. Gentry doesn't know about it and she's
the President of the...
Mrs. Gentry: We didn't see your plan. You just mentioned it.
Mr. Du Breuil: ... There is a couple of things that has been said.
I only wanted to take a couple minutes of your time.
Mayor Ferre: Let's not get into a debate George because that
wouldn't be fruitful. Would you also show it to the neighbors?
How many neighbors are here, would you raise your hands?
Mrs. Gentry: If they are going to do all of these wonderful things
inside then they don't need the opening in the wall. It'll be taken
care of inside. We compromise.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, while the neighbors are looking at this we're
going to have a five minute recess to let them look at it and discuss
it and ask questions of the Major or anybody. Let's see if we can
do a little ... If we can get a majority of this Commission back
we'll continue unless you'd like to stay here all night we can stay
here until midnight. How would you like to get out early tonight?
Mr. Wall: I'm Don Wall. I live at 3930 N.W. 13th Street which is
two blocks north of the area we're talking about. I've lived there
for 22 years. It's an R-1 neighborhood and there's been encroach-
ments on it for the past 20 years and this is just one more and I
think you should stand behind the taxpayers of Miami and not allow
this resolution to go through. Thank you.
Mayor Ferre: They're all taxpayers that's the problem. Everybody
is a taxpayer that's the problem.
Mrs. Charles: Mr. Mayor and Mr. Commissioners, Mary Charles
820 N.W. 41st Avenue. I'd just like to call your attention to the
fact that there is, because if they do close the opening there to
the Shopping Center with this proposed driving coursejthe Fire
Station is at our corner at 40th and 7th and in case they need to
go to the back of Zayre's or the launderette and there are some
other little stores along that avenue there. The fact that they
could prolong and get longer to put out a fire or any mishap that's
there if they have to go all the way around and core in by Zayre's
where they could in the avenue and go through the back. I just wanted
to call that to your attention to, No I am for a solid wall with
the driving course going in.I understood that the bank was going to
close the exit there where we come in off of 38th Avenue you go
through the parking of the bank and you can take a little jig of the
jog and go back to the launderette and around to the back over by
Murphy's and to 37th Avenue, and if they close that exit there where
the bank has bumpers leaving and opening. Sometimes there's a chain
across there, most of the time it's open, but the fire truck could
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go through there very easily and cut down on time,
Mayor Ferre: Mr, Manager, would somebody make a note of that and
check that out? Alright any other speakers at this time? Alright,
what's the will of the Commission? Any questions from the
Commission? Well, is there a Motion to defer? What are you here to
tell us that we haven't heard?
Mr, Du Breuil: I think it was read back to the Commission all the
provisos in there that Would have a bearing on it and so on, Actually
the resolution is recommended by your staff,
Mr, Plummer: Well, just for the record I'll do it George,but I
almost know them by heart. These are the conditions if accepted.
Mayor Ferre: They're all here, proposed opening will be for egress
only, right?
Mr, Plummer: Well, he wants it read into the record.
Mayor Ferre: Read it...
Mr. Plummer: (1). The proposed opening will be for egress only
(exiting the site only). (2). Provide appropriate stop signs at the
exit. (3). Clearly mark the exit that it is to be used for exit
only and for passenger vehicles only. (4). The width of the exit
to be less than required for commercial trucks. (5). Install
necessary speed bumps to limit vehicular traffic exiting speeds.
(6). Provide a permanent pedestrian opening in the north wall
to N.W. llth Street. (7). Install a conventional steel gate at the
vehicle egress which would only be opened during the hours of the
Drivers License Testing Facility. This gate would be opened by the
officials of the Testing Facility in the morning and locked by them
in the afternoon. (8). Provide an on -site driving course at the
N.W. corner of the shopping center for use by the State Division of
Driver Licenses. (9). That the opening be in alignment with 38th
Avenue.
Mr. Du Breuil: And, there was a tenth one Mr. Plummer, the approval
by the Department of the Interior Plan.
Mr. Plummer: Yes, ok. The on -site plan.
Mayor Ferre: That's nine, and ten, that this matter be brought back
for review before this Commission in one-year to see if it's working
out alright.
Mr. Plummer: That's number 11.
Mayor Ferre: That's ten.
Mr. Plummer: Excuse me that's 11.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, anything else? What's the will of this
Commission?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I told you before and I'll tell you again
sir, when everything else fails I'll make the motion. You might
not like it.
Mayor Ferre; One way or the other I don't you know and we just can't
sit on this anymore that's all.
Mr. Plummer: I agree. You want a motion?
Mayor Ferre: Yes. Make your motion.
Mr. Plummer: It's going to be a damn unpopular motion because I
got friends involved and that automatically tells you how I feel.
Mr. Mayor this past week I have receieved calls from Tallahassee
as I have in the past. There is no question in my mind, none that
if this is not granted that that location and that inspection station
will be moved out of the City of Miami, Mr, Mayor everything that
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Mrs, Gentry said is true. I was the one that made the motion and
at the time that was the way I felt, but things changed, Unfortunately
things changed,that's why we have a Commission because things have to
change: Mr, Mayor there's no question in my mind that these people
on llth Street are going to be inconvenienced, but what I have to
weigh is the inconvenience to a few as opposed to the inconvenience
of possibly thousands of people of this city who will have to travel
a distance in which I realize only once every four years but they
will have to travel to a location which in my estimation will be a
great deal away from the heart of the central core, I would like not
to have to make this motion, I wish this item was not before us, but
it is and a decision has got to be made, At your direction Mr, Mayor
I went to this Committee Meeting and tried every avenue there was,
explored everything that could be explored to try to make this
compatible and unfortunately,the only thing that the neighbors
agreed to was that if you force it down our throats, and yes we are
forcing it down your throats, let's don't kid around, Please put
the opening in alignment with 38th Avenue. I am going to go on the
faith of the developers. You did not understand as I understand what
Mrs. Gentry said before,and I'll tell you it's going to have a
bearing on my thinking on the one-year site,(are we putting that in
is that correct)? The one-year review. Mrs. Gentry was concerned
with the outside appearances and you were speaking to the inside.
Now you cannot convince me that you can make it acceptable. I under-
stand that, but let me tell you something it's going to cost you a
few bucks but I believe that you can make it a little bit more pleasant
than just a bare wall with an opening, and I'm going to tell you as
one, not a threat, but I'm going to look real serious God willing
that I'm here in a year as to what that outside opening with Kenny
Bush and some of these other people are having to look at.
Mr. Mayor there's no question what my motion is and I make this motion
with regrets that I have to do such, but I make a motion of approval
with the ten conditions as applied by ... as stipulated by the
Planning Department I move for approval.
Mayor Ferre: There is a motion stipulated. Is there a second?
Mr. Reboso: Mr. Mayor I'm going to second the motion. I want to
say that until tonight I was against the opening in that wall, but
for the same reasons that J.L. stated and the plan that I just saw
I am seconding the motion. I think it's in the best interest...
Mayor Ferre: Alright, there's a motion and a second. I would, in
case this thing passes I would like to (you did accept that this
will be reviewed in a year)?
Mr. Reboso: Yes. The ten points.
Mayor Ferre: There is a problem Mr. Grassie with non-compliance of
a previous motion to pass this Commission with the bank that several
of the neighbors in Grapeland Heights has pointed out that these
people have totally violated and I am going to... I guess we shouldn't
incorporcte it as part of this but I'm going to make the motion or
ask somebody to make the motion after we finish that the bank be
advised that they have to tear down those tellers since they are
not using them for drive -through windows and they're using them to
store boxes and they've got trailers back there and that's not the
intention and they're in complete violation if that's the case and
we are to immediately ask them to remove the whole thing. Would you
answer that before we get to a voting because that may be important?
Mr. Fosmoen:
Mayor Ferre:
Mr. Fosmoen:
Did I understand you to say tellers or trailers sir?
No, Suppose told me that there were some bank tellers,
They are trailers I understand sir.
Mr, Davis: Trailers were used as a temporary drive-in site originally
until the tellers were ,,,
Mayor Ferre; But they're using them for storage purposes I understand,
You tell there, matter -of. -fact I'd like to make a condition on this,
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that this doesn't happen until those trailers leave,
Mr, Du Breuil: That's the bank property Mr, Mayor, We completely
agree with you3in fact when Mr, Gentry called me almost two months
ago I called Mr, Lopez Castro who is in charge of that and told
him that they would either have to get those trailers out of there
or the city would see that they got out,
Mayor Ferre: Alright, Ok, we'll make it as a separate resolution.
Alright is there anything else that anybody else wants to speak on
this?
Mr, Plummer: Ken Bush wants to speak and I'll ask him,
Mayor Ferre: Yes, alright, go ahead,
Mr. Bush: Speaking in the background with a microphone..,
What I would like to say is that if the State Driving people moved
out what would that have to do with that wall?
Mr. Plummer: Well, as I understand it since t'm the maker of the
motion1I'll give you my intent, It is my intent that this thing
stipulates that that shall be opened and closed by the State, If
they're not there to do itiit cannot be opened. Now that's my
intent.
Mr. Bush: .,. In other words, say next year or the year after some-
thing comes up and these people move out of that area...
Mayor Ferre: We'll close down the 'all.. I mean we'll put it back
up again.
Mrs. Gordon: Put 11 on that 10 J.L.
Mr. Plummer: If you wish to do it that way I just... the Department
brought that up Rose, and I felt that it was part of this. Number
11 word it for me.
Mayor Ferre: I understand... if the Drivers License Testing Facility
. • .
Mr. Plummer: This approval is only granted for such time as the
State of Florida Testing...
Mayor Ferre: Drivers License Testing ...
Mr. Gordon: Is depending on that property.
Mr. Plummer: Exist on that property.
Mrs. Gordon: Is an occupant on that property.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, anything else? Is that accepted by the
Seconder of the motion? Further discussion. Call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 78-75
A RESOLUTION AMENDING RESOLUTION NO, 74-490 TO
PERMIT AN OPENING IN THE WALL ALONG THE N.W,
11TIi STREET SIDE OF THE CENTRAL SHOPPING PLAZA
SUBJECT TO THE 10 CONDITIONS ENUMERATED HEREIN.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by .'ice -Mayor Reboso, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Plummer, Vice -Mayor Reboso, Rev, Gibson, Mrs. Gordon,
and Mayor Ferre,
NOES: None,
ABSENT: None,
ON ROLL CALL:
Mrs. Gordon: I want to tell the people that I'll go along on it
but one of the considerations that I'm considering is the Driving
Schools will be less encouraged to travel through streets With
new drivers that haven't learned how to drive, That was a very
important consideration in my voting for it, The second important
consideration is the oneyear and the third is that if they
vacate,that wall gets closed,
FURTHER DISCUSSION:
Mr, Du Breuil: Mr. Mayor I would just like to just summari:,e this
I want to thank the Commission very much,
Mayor Ferre: Well, you got your vote it's all
Mr. Du Breuil:
Heights that I
personally see
I know. I want to assur
personally will see that
that the property owners
over.
e the people of Grapeland
that grass is cut. I'll
out there.assure them ...
l
Mayor Ferre: ... Don't get angry at him he doesn't have to say
that at this stage of the game.
Mr. Du Breuil: You ask Mrs. Gentry I went over and picked up her
garbage personally when she said they didn't...
Mayor Ferre: George I'll tellit is important. This is going to
come back in a year and I think it's very important that you have
good public relations.
Mr. Du Breuil: Thank you very much.
4. DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO INVESTIGATE ALLEGED ZONING VIOLATION BY INTERCONTINENTAL
BANK AT CENTRAL SHOPPING PLAZA.
*fayor Terre: Alright, now I'm going to make another motion George
while you're here. I'm going to move and I'll pass the gavel, to the
Vice -Mayor, that the Manager immediately look into the violation or the
bank by keeping those supposedly,temporary trailers for other than
the purpose originally outlined and that they be immediately notified
they will move them if they are in violation.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, would you also incorporate in that motion
the 39th Avenue problem addressed by Ken Bush that the signs have
been erected of no parking and it is being violated daily.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, and that in the first portion that that letter
go out before the end of the week. That gives you til Friday to
clarify this situation.
Mrs. Gordon: I second your motion.
Mr. Reboso: Ok. We have a motion and a second. Any further dis-
cussion. Will you please call the roll?
The following motion was introduced by Mayor Ferre, who moved
its adoption:
MOTION NO. 78-76
A MOTION DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO INVESTIGATE
ALLEGED VIOLATIONS BY THE INTERCONTINENTAL BANK
LOCATED AT THE CENTRAL SHOPPING PLAZA TO DETERMINE
IF THE TRAILERS STORED IN THE REAR OF THE BANK
CONSTITUTE A ZONING VIOLATION AND THAT THE ADMIN-
ISTRATION BE INSTRUCTED TO ORDER THE BANK TO REMOVE
THE AFORESAID TRAILERS IF IN FACT SUCH VIOLATION EXITS.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Mayor Ferre, Rev, Gibson, Commissioner Gordon, Commissioner
Plummer, and Vice -Mayor Reboso,
NOES; None,
ABSENT; None,
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CLOSE PORTIONS NWI 17 Cr, - LAWRENCE PARK Atti - TENTATIVE PLAT #1 -A
13Lrr s ISLAZ
Mrs. Gordont Mr. Mayor, Mr. Make our 'Tax Assessor is Ilere on
#99 it's a short item.
Mayor Ferre: Oh, Mr, Blake I apologize.I didn't see you sitting
back there, Why don't you come right on up? I'll tell you sometimes
you're not a very popular fellow but here we like you Mr, Blake
we want you to know that.
Mr. Davis: This application Mr. Mayor is by Mr, Blake as you know
and it was to close that portion of N.W. 17th Court as will be
shown on the map in just a second here. The Planning Department
recommended approval, The Plat Committee recommended approval and
the Zoning Board recommended by 7-0, There were two objectors
present at the Zoning meeting.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, are there any objectors on item 9?
Mrs. Gordon: I move approval.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, it's been moved by Mrs. Gordon. Is there
a second? Yes, put the light on again so we can all see the pretty
pictures. Seconded by Father Gibson. Further discussion. Call the
roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 78-77
A RESOLUTION CLOSING, VACATING, ABANDONING AND
DISCONTINUING THE PUBLIC USE OF THAT PORTION
OF N.W. 17TH COURT LYING BETWEEN NORTHWESTERLY
PRODUCTION OF THE SOUTHWESTERLY BOUNDARY OF
LOT 66 OF LAWRENCE PARK AMD (7-140) AND THE
WESTERLY RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE OF N.W. 17TH AVENUE;
ALL IN CONJUNCTION WITH TENTATIVE PLAT #1003-A
"BETTY'S ISLAND".
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on
file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, JR.
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
Mayor Ferre: Mrs. Blake it was nice to have you and your husband
here.
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SEA SING ORDINANCE: CHANGE ZONING GLAS FICATt 9NN 17-1 N.W. NORTH
RIVERbRIVE FROM R-4 to C-4
Mayor Ferre: Are there any objectors on item 3? If not, read the
ordinance and call the roll.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE N0, 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF
MIAMI, BY CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION
OF W28' OF N144.88' OF LOT 1, AND THAT PORTION
OF LOT 2 LYING NORTH OF TRACT A; NEW ROOSEVELT
OFFICE SUB (104-50) AND THAT PORTION OF LOT 3
LYING NORTH OF N.W, NORTH RIVER DRIVE; PIRATES
COVE SUB (1.92), BEING APPROXIMATELY 1751 N.W.
NORTH RIVER DRIVE, FROM R-4 (MEDIUM DENSITY
MULTIPLE) TO C-44 (GENERAL COMMERCIAL); AND BY
MAKING THE NECESSARY CHANGES IN THE ZONING
DISTRICT MAP, MADE A PART OF THE SAID ORDINANCE
NO. 6871, BY REFERENCE AND DISCRIPTION IN
ARTICLE III, SECTION 2 THEREOF: BY REPEALING
ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS, OR PARTS THEREOF
IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION.
Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of
January 24, 1978, it was taken up for its second and final reading
by title and adoption. On motion of Commissioner Plummer, seconded
by Vice -Mayor Reboso, the ordinance was thereupon given its second
and final reading by title and passed and adopted by the following
vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
SAID ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO. 8754.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record
and announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and to the public.
7. SECOND READING ORDINANCE: CHANGE ZONING CLASSIFICATION TIGERTAIL AVENUE;
NATOMA STREET; SECOFFEE STREET AND AMATHLA FROM R 1 TO R1-B.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI,
BY CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF CERTAIN
PROPERTIES LOCATED IN THE AREA GENERALLY BOUNDED BY
TIGERTAIL AVENUE, NATOMA STREET, SECOFFEE STREET AND
EMATHLA STREET, INCLUDING PROPERTIES ABUTTING SECOFFEE
STREET TO THE NORTH AND EMATHIA STREET TO THE WEST
FROM R-1 (ONE FAMILY) TO R-1B (ONE FAMILY), AS PER
THE MAP, ATTACHED HERETO AND MADE A PART HEREOF:
AND BY MAKING THE NECESSARY CHANGES IN THE ZONING
DISTRICT MAP, MADE A PART OF THE SAID ORDINANCE NO.
6871, BY REFERENCE AND DESCRIPTION IN ARTICLE III,
SECTION 2 THEREOF; BY REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, CODE
SECTIONS, OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING
A SEVERABILITY PROVISION.
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SECCND SING ORDINANCE: CHANGE 20NING CLASStPtcArmw -51 NA NORTH
RIVE RIVE PROM R-4 to CC4i
Mayor Ferret Are there any objectors on item 3? If not, read the
ordinance and call the roll.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO, 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF
MIAMI, BY CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION
OF W28t OF N144,88t OF LOT i, AND THAT PORTION
OF LOT 2 LYING NORTH OF TRACT A; NEW ROOSEVELT
OFFICE SUB (104-50) AND THAT PORTION OF LOT 3
LYING NORTH OF N.W. NORTH RIVER DRIVE; PIRATES
COVE SUB (1-92), BEING APPROXIMATELY 1751 N.W.
NORTH RIVER DRIVE, FROM R-4 (MEDIUM DENSITY
MULTIPLE) TO C-4 (GENERAL COMMERCIAL); AND BY
MAKING THE NECESSARY CHANGES IN THE ZONING
DISTRICT MAP, MADE A PART OF THE SAID ORDINANCE
NO, 6871, BY REFERENCE AND DISCRIPTION IN
ARTICLE III, SECTION 2 THEREOF: BY REPEALING
ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS, OR PARTS THEREOF
IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION.
Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of
January 24, 1978, it was taken up for its second and final reading
by title and adoption. On motion of Commissioner. Plummer, seconded
by Vice -Mayor Reboso, the ordinance was thereupon given its second
and final reading by title and passed and adopted by the following
vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
SAID ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO. 8754.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record
and announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and to the public.
SECOND READING ORDINANCE: CHANGE ZONING CLASSIFICATION TIGERTAIL AVENUE;
NATOMA STREET; SECOFFEE STREET AND AMATHA FROM 111 TO R1-B.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI,
BY CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF CERTAIN
PROPERTIES LOCATED IN THE AREA GENERALLY BOUNDED BY
TIGERTAIL AVENUE, NATOMA STREET, SECOFFEE STREET AND
EMATHLA STREET, INCLUDING PROPERTIES ABUTTING SECOFFEE
STREET TO THE NORTH AND EMATHIA STREET TO THE WEST
FROM R-1 (ONE FAMILY) TO R-1B (ONE FAMILY), AS PER
THE MAP, ATTACHED HERETO AND MADE A PART HEREOF:
AND BY MAKING THE NECESSARY CHANGES IN THE ZONING
DISTRICT MAP, MADE A PART OF THE SAID ORDINANCE NO.
6871, BY REFERENCE AND DESCRIPTION IN ARTICLE III,
SECTION 2 THEREOF; BY REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, CODE
SECTIONS, OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING
A SEVERABILITY PROVISION,
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Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of
January 24, 19785 it was taken up for its seond and final
reading by title and adoption, On motion of Commissioner Gordon,
seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the ordinance was thereupon
given its second and final reading by title and passed and adopted
by the following vote.
AYES: Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev,) Theodore R. Gibson
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr,
Vice -Mayor Manolo Reboso
Mayor Maurice A, Ferre
NOESt None,
SAID ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO, 8755.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record
and announced that copies were available to the members of the
City Commission and to the public.
8. FIRST READING ORDINANCE: CHANGE ZONING CLASSIFICATION 2,100 S. DIXIE HWY
LOTS 1148, LESS THE SOUTH 1419 FEET OF BLOCK E- "BISCAYNE PARK TERRACE FROM
R-1 TO RCA.
Mr. Davis: Item #5 Mr. Mayor was passed by motion at your last meeting
since the original recommendation and the original petition was not
followed in that the northerly portion was passed. The Law Depart-
ment deferred the 1st and 2nd readings until this meeting.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, I see, I assume you want to speak on this
Mr. La Casa. Where are all the neighbors from the Tigertail Associat-
ion? We got 2 , 3 , 4 , .. .
Mr. Davis: They were all notified as usual.
!'lr. La Casa: For the record, Armando La Casa, 1408 S.E. Bayshore
Drive.
Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute Mr. La Casa,because you know,for the
life of me I cannot imagine that if in fact they were notified.F!ow
were they notified• Now Mr. Davis let's get that on the record.
Did the notice to them appear as it appears on our agenda?
Mr. Davis: No sir. It is described as a courtesy notice mailed on
January 12th. It was addressed to the same property owners within
the 375' radius as it was originally notified.
Mr. Plummer: Well, what did it say?
Mr. Davis: I'll read it off., Miami City Commission , meeting of
Thursday, January 24, 1978 at 7 P.M., City Hall, 3500 Pan American
Drive, Dinner Key, Miami, Florida will consider the following:
2100 S.Dixie Hwy. lots 11,12,13,14,15,16,17, and 18 less the south
149.9' therefore. Also that part abutting the north boundary line
of said lot 11, Block E of Biscayne Park Terrace. A resolution
recommending the nine change of zoning classification in above
describedI:roperty from R-1 to R-CA. This item was deferred from
the City Commission meeting of December 15, 1977. Important -
The City Commission request a petiotioner to be present or request a
petitioner to be prc:,,nt or a representative at this meeting and all
interested real estate owners are invited to express their views.
The petition and supporting papers concerning this item are
available for review at the Planning and Zoning Administration
Board 3318 Pan American Drive, Dinner Key, Miami, Florida.
Rev, Gibson: Read that letter. again.
Mrs, Gordon: The letter states,,,
Mr, Davis; Pardon me sir,
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key. Gibson: Read it again,
Mr, Davis: The entire thing sir?
Mr, Plummer: What is it,you said Thursday?
Mrs, Gordon: No, the reason I can explain ..
Mr, Davis: Tuesday sir. I said Tuesday, January 24th,
Mr. Plummer: I heard you say Thursday.
Rev, Gibson: I heard you say Thursday.
Mr, Davis: Tuesday, if I stated Thursday I misread it. It says
Tuesday, January 24th.
Mrs. Gordon: Ok. The letter that you read and the information on
the agenda recites that the south 149.9' are not being considered,
Mr. Davis: That is correct,
Mrs. Gordon: And for this reason you don't have a crowd of people
here tonight, because tl13 is what those people who were here last
time agreed it was acceptable to the neighborhood. That's why you
don't have a room full of nople.
Mr. Plummer: Just get the record straight. Look, let's put all the
cards on top of the table, ok. Let's all know where we're coming
from so there ain't no sneaky P.11, around here. It is my under-
standing that Mr. La Casa is going to ask of this Commission this
evening for his original application . Ok,
Mr. Davis: I have no information on that.
Mr. Plummer: Ok. And, based upon that what is being said among
this Commission and the neighbors who are here if it were their
understanding when they left here at the last meeting that the
Commission action was that that south 149' if that's what it was
had been excluded.
Mr. Davis: That is correct.
Mr. Plummer: Knowing that they didn't show up tonight.
Mr. Davis: That is correct. It was advertised and in other words
it cannot be heard as I would read the law and I referred to the
Law Department for this, the southerly 149.9' could not be
considered tonight. (Mrs. Gordon- I know that)
Mr. Plummer: Alright, then if that's the case then we know where
we're at. You know, I mean all I'm trying to say in the interest
of fairness,you know,I went to Fosmoen this afternoon and it was
my understanding before Mr. La Casa told me of his intent that
this was just merely a second reading. Now I find that it's a
first and second reading,
Mr. Davis: As I explained the Law Department did not have an
opportunity to re -draw the ..,
Mr. Plummer: I understand that but these people don't, ok.
Mr, Davis: Surely,
Mr, Plummer: Now these people are saying what in the hell are you
trying to pull?
Mr. Davis; Well exactly what the notice states that it is for
only that property less the north/southerly 149.9'.
Mr, Plummer: Well, obviously Mr, La Casa doesn't understand that
because I didn't.
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Mr. Davis: Well, it could well be sir I don't have any information
on this,
Mr, Plummer: Ok, Let's set the record straights let's don't have
anybody walking out of here saying this Commission is trying to pull
something sneaky or Mrs La Casa is trying to pull something sneaky,
I will now refer to the Law Department. You have heard the state-
ment of Mr, Davis. If Mr, Daviss if I understand him correctly, it
is with the understanding that legally we cannot hear the southern
149', is that correct or not?
Mr, Knox: If the notice was to hear less the 149,9' then you can-
not hear anything else.
Mr. Plummer: Then I understand further that if Mr. La Casa wants
to reinstigate that portion since it was not denied he would then
have to start a new application is that the procedure?
Mr. Davis: Either that or the Commission could ask for deferral
for re -advertising.
Mayor Ferre: There is only one way that this, that legally this
can be brought back and changed as I understand it and that is
that somebody who voted on the winning side last time around...
Mrs, Gordon: No. It was advertised tonight as a reduced application,
There is no way that you can go to anything else tonight. You can
at the future time but you cannot tonight because the advertisement
was as it stated now at some future time a reconsideration could be
done.
Mayor Ferre: That's right. Rose, all I said was that the only way
there's only one or two or three things in this can happen tonight.
(1). We can defer. (2). You can vote for it or you can vote against
it. (3). Somebody can move that for re -consideration at which time
you'd have to calla new public hearing.
Mir. Davis: Since the Board considered the entire site it could be
held if you wished to reconsider the southerly 149'.
Mayor Ferre: There's only way that this can be brought up for
re -consideration that is somebody who voted on the winning side. Now
that means there's four of you that can bring it up. I can't
because I voted against it as you know. Yes sir and the vote was
4-1 let me remind you.
Mrs. Gordon: Would you clarify what you're saying Mr. Mayor? Are
you saying that even if a re -consideration was held tonight that
this item could be heard tonight?
Mayor Ferre: No, of course not.
Mrs. Gordon: Then, I see your point.
Mayor Ferre: There's no way it could be heard tonight as a re-
considered item. If somebody moves it to re -consider and it gets
a second and then it passes on three votes then they would have to
call another public hearing to the full re -consideration. We can't
vote on a final basis tonight. Is that correct?
Mr. Davis: You could vote on the portion that's advertised tonight,
Mayor Ferre: I repeat there are three things that can happen tonight:
(1). You can defer. (2). You can vote for or against the motion as it is
presented, or (3). if you want to change it, If somebody wants to
change it you got to move to re -consider it and that requires a motion
and a second and then it requires three votes. Once that passes then
it would have to be called upon for a public hearing. ,,, Now make
your motion, I'm willing to go anyway you want, You have your
choices, dealer's choice, now deal,
Mr, Plummer: I did all the talking before, What's the concensus of
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the Commission?
Mayor Ferret Well, you don't know that until somebody speaks,
Mrs, Gordon: The only thing that's before us tonight is the
reading of an ordinance and,..
Mayor Ferre: Mrs, Gordon moves,
Mrs, Gordon: The way you have this agenda prepared the 1st and
2nd reading is this suppose to tell us this is an emergency?
Mr, Davis: No Mrs, Gordon the Law Department did it in this manner
because they were not able to get the 1st reading prepared for the
meeting when the motion was passed and they figured rather than hold
up the applicant because they were n&t able to do it. It would be
satisfactory this way.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, Mr, Plummer moves,
Mr. Plummer: Well, first of all Mr. Mayor, Mr, La Casa let's put on
the record usually a re-considerating is based on new evidence, What
new evidence do you have to present this evening for the re -consider-
ation? I think that's most important to be put on the record.
Mr. La Casa: Definitely so. The situation is like this, as you
might recall when we had the lst reading which never was a lst reading,
Anyway, there was a motion made in a hurry by Mrs. Cordon. With
(lit due consideration to the realities of the piece of property
being discussed as part of the architectural possibilities concerned.
As you might recall, after a three hours hearing in a last minute
effort to get to a compromise,she proposed what she felt was a
compromised type of a situation. That didn't give anyone, not the
Commissioners, not the opposition, not ourselves, the opportunity to
see the impact of that motion on the subject property so what we did
is)with that on hand, we went back to the drawing tables and the new
evidence that we have is that with this proposed situation,there is
absolutely nothing decent that can be built. In other words, the
city will lose because by keeping this property this way as you will
see the 149' feet,suppose that we could have several small lots which
do not conform in any fashion with the pattern of the neighborhood
that is as far as the lots for R-1 is concerned. On the other hand,
what is being left on R-CA is completely sufficient to build a
decent building in accordance with what we had in mind and what we
proposed to this Commission and what this Commission appreciates
as a decent and creditable building to the city. In other words,
landscaping, security arrangement, all that would be destroyed
and actually we will end up with a piece of property useless for the
city, useless for the owners and useless for anyone because it will
come to a slum type of a situation as far as the office buildings
is concerned and by the environmental aspects, the esthetics aspects will
be totally destroyed on the account of the lack of land possibilities
and this is exactly the kind of new evidence that we will like to
propose to this Commission. In other words, we will have the chance
to prove to the Commission that with this type of a situation there
is nothing to gain by anyone in quote...
Mayor Ferre: Let me ask you a question. The principle, I understand
the principle of what was tried. What I have a problem with is the
extent and I'm trying to be pragmatic about it. Your problem is that
you can't do it 149 ft. I understand that. Well, how many feet
Mr. La Casa: Ok, then I will have to show you the plans.
Mayor. Ferre: Because if what you're telling me is that you can live
with the 5 ft. that you had before,,,
Mr, La Casa: This here is the proposed building,
Mayor Ferre: Right,
Mr, La Casa: As you can see the type of geography that this piece of
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lands itts not a regular piece of land doesn't lend itself
to much flexibilitys so this is the building, We have 5 ft, here,
Oks so here you have the proposed building, If you take this
line here which actually goes like this what you're doing here is
you're cutting the building in half; ok4 so then the only possibility
was to try to move the building heresbut as you can see there is no
Way you can do itlso actually it's totally impossible; then we talk
about how many feet we can go deep in heresso obviously we cannot
move the building over heresso then it will have to be at the expense
of the buildings of courses but how many feet? If you go something
reasonable in this line over here what you will see is that you will
end up with the of lots here that you cannot build anything
residential in this particular lot,
Mrs. Gordon: Why not?
Mr. La Casa: Becauseshow many feet can we go deep in order to
maintains not even this building, something even smaller than this
but something original. No,here is impossible, Here is absolutely
impossible Mrs. Gordon.
Mrs. Gordon: Why?
Mr. La Casa: Because we won't have the space here and remember that
you have all the considerations here in this situation. You have
here this... This is the original plan.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: This is the original plan. Sure but that's
not what we're concerned about. We're concerned about only the
residential area. We're trying to protect the residential area,
not something that doesn't even exist.
Mr. Plummer: Let me ask a question, ok. Mr. La Casa do I understand
you correctly that what you're asking for here this evening is the
entire amount that was in the original application or are you willing
to try a compromise to get a buildable site? Now I'rn just trying
to ask for clarification, you understand?
Mr. La Casa: I understand what you asked sir.
Mr. Plummer: As 1 recall your original plan showed 5 ft. setback.
Mr. La Casa: Right.
Mr. Plummer: Now, is that what you are asking for this evening or
are you asking for more space to build but let,- and more setback
what are you asking for?
Mr. La Casa: What we are asking for is for an office space as to
build this building. The question of the setback here we can go,
we have 5 here, we can go 10 here at the expense of second re-
arrangements over the parking area, but what we cannot do, I know
we can't because we have gone to the drawing tables on this ...
is to cut this propertyjlike for instance if you cut this property
over hereyou'11 end up with lots, the best you can do.
Mrs. Gordon:
of course, that's ....
Mr. La Casa: In order to rebuild. Let me explain to you. Let me
explain to you this,in order to build here or any place in the City
of Miami you have to have at least 6,000 sq.ft., ok. So actually
if we were to cut down this property and we will come down to 100
ft. deep here in order to have a 6ft. x100 we will come out with
about 5 lots here, Now, 1 submit to you when you are thinking in
order to preserve the integrity of that neighborhood you are thinking
and you are proposing to this Commission on another item to rezone
that whole area from R-1 to R-1B because you feel that the kind of
lots you have there and the kind of property that you have there
deserve that type of thing. We will end up here having a slum kind
of a situation as far as the office building is concerned because
then the concept that 1 propose to you with the landscaping the
preservation of the trees, etc, the security of sidewalks and
speed lanes cannot be built for lack of space and on the other
hand what you would end up is with 5 lots of 60 x 100 which is the
minimum you can build which are for the type of houses that you
don't want in your neighborhood.
Mrs. Gordon: What is the size of those lots Mr► Fosmoen? From
this distance I cannot tell.
Mr. Fosmoen: Seventy...
Mr. Davis: They're 72 x 150 approximately.
Mrs. Gordon: 72 x 150 that is a platted frontage anyway, ok.
Mayor Ferre: You want my advise,there's no way in the world that
you're going to come out with this building... you don't have the
votes here, I mean, all you got to do is count and you know that
you have four votes that voted for this situation right here. Now,
the only way that I see that you're going to be able to do this,in
my opinion is if you create a buffer of some kind that comes
right across here, perpetuity and as far as your parking is concerned
you're just going to have that less parking and you're going to have
to adapt to somewhere within the plat or make the building smaller.
I don't see ...
Mr. La Casa: Well, this situation that you have picked here
could be acceptable to us Mr. Mayor. This situation that you have
picked here. The only thing is that we will have to sacrifice a
certain space...
Mayor Ferre: You're going to have to do it.
Mr. La Casa: Ok. We'll go for this.
tNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: It's not acceptable to the neighborhood.
Mr. La Casa: This will be acceptable for us. This that you have
shown here is acceptable to us.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: BACKGROUND) COMMENTS.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Mayor, I don't think you're conducting this
meeting in the fashion we're accustomed to.
Mayor Ferre: You're right Rose. I can't argue with that. Alright,
Mr. Davis: Mrs. Gordon, You asked a question about the depths of
those lots. Those lots extend all the way from Secoffee up to
Dixie Highway so they are deeper than the 150. The 150 is
the line across which the zoning line...
Mrs. Gordon: Exactly, and multiplying that 150 x 72 is the square
foot of what? 8,000?
Mayor Ferre: You do whatever you want. Go ahead.
Mr. Fosmoen: 72 x 140 Commissioner would give you an R-1B size
lot along Secoffee. 72 x approx. 90 would give you an R-1 size
lot along Secoffee. You recall that this Commission directed us
to undertake a study of rezoning...
Mrs. Gordon: That's 10,500 ft.
Mr. Fosmoen: Yes.
Mrs, Gordon: Well, that is the R-1B fine,
Mr, Fosmoen: That's correct and you'll recall this Commission.,..
Mrs, Gordon: And, that is what the Commission has approved,
01.
Mr, Fosrnoen: No,
Mrs, Gordon: What if the Commission had
Mr, Fosmoen: We're studying the rezoning of this Secoffee and
22nd Avenue frontage to R-1B, It is currently zoned R-1, Ok,
Mr, Plummer: We're damn if we do and we're damn if we don't,
Mayor Ferre: Alright Mr, Plummer and Mrs, Gordon and Father Gibson,
Commissioner Reboeo, I don't want to spend all night here, it's
already 9:30 so whatever you want to do let's go, Call it,
Mrs, Gordon: There is only one or two things that can be done and
one is to read the ordinance as passed, which passes the portion
that we approved last time and if the applicant wants to go back
and apply again or whatever on the rest of it,that's another story,
but you know that when the people of this neighborhood come back
it's going to be exactly the same thing as it was last time. Yoft
can't do anything tonight...
Mr. Plummer: Let me ask a question, and maybe I'm ready to make a
motion if I get the right answer, Mr. Davis as I recall we did not
deny that 149 ft. is that correct?
Mr. Davis: You did not include it in your motion.
Mr. Plummer: Alright sir. What I'm getting at is this Mr. Davis
tomorrow morning he can come in and file a new application.
Mr. Davis: I would have to review the law on that. There is some-
thing in our law that I would like to have interpreted about whether
or not he can re -apply on the same change of zoning that he was
dropped on.... for a little study on the ordinance Mr. Plummer.
Mr. Plummer: The point I'm trying to make is this Mr. Davis. It would
be immaterial to me whether we sent it back for re -consideration or
he tomorrow morning applied, 're till going to be back before this
Commission with that parcel of property.
Mr. Davis: With the exception there maybe a period of time ...
depend upon the law.
Mr. Plummer: Well ok, yes. Ok, in other words what you're doing
in fact is drawing this thing out even longer, ok. Now if that is
the case in the essence of getting the damn thing behind us once and
for all I would prefer to do it, you know, you're making me wish now
I had denied it in the motion before which we didn't.
Mrs. Gordon: Denied what?
Mr. Plummer: The other 149 ft., you know because I said before and
as I just said to the Mayor Rose, you know, I said before and I'll
say again, this is a beautiful compromise.
Mrs. Gordon: I think it is too.
Mr.. Plummer: But financially it's not feasible in my book. I said
that before.
Mayor Ferre: That's why I voted against it.
Mr, Plummer: Ok. Now Mr. Knox answer the question if you can sir.
Is it possible that knowing the particulars of this case)that tomorrow
morning the applicants could come in and re -apply for that other
portion?
Mr, Knox; We're checking the answer right now.
Mr. Plummer: Ok,
Mrs, Gordon; J,L, you say it's not whatever you said about the
financial feasibility and yet when you figure the square feet of
the larger portion of the property we're re=zoning to a commercial
use it is not a little tiny piece of ground, It would permit a
pretty good size development and it would still have 132j3&4&5i6
building sites to build on which would buffer the residential
neighborhoods which would not intrude into it and I know there's
a lot of people here who won't agree& I'rn sorry but there is
integrity here and it's integrity of a neighborhood that's at stake
and that's the way I look at it and everything isn't the dollars
and cents of it, It's the quality of life that counts& and the
investment in the quality of life that people have put into this
neighborhood,
Mr, La Casa: What we have proposed doesn't have any progress with
the quality of lifer actually by this proposition the quality of
life of that particular neighborhood is being affected because
what we're proposing is the sort of a building that exists there;
that all of you are familiar with that building and that is a credit
to the city. What you are proposing through this change of zoning
half and half;is to have a small lot which will conduct to resident-
ial situations that are not inconformative with what already
exist in that particular area;and what better example to back up that
premise than to say that at this point, these very same neighbors are
requesting from this Commission a change from R-1 to R-1B and besides
what you are also proposing will create a situation whereby,in that
R-CAoyou will be able to build an office building according to zoning,
but What kind of an office building? Will it have the quality of
the one that now exists? Does it have the kind of landscaping that
now exists? Will it be able to conserve the trees that now they
have?
that,
Mrs. Gordon: I would appreciate it if you weren't shouting.
Mr. La Casa: Will it preserve the kind of security that it has there?
Mayor i"'erre: Lower your voice. It so happens that you get excited
and you get close to the microphone and see what happens when you
get close to the microphone.
Ms. Valis: Mrs. Gordon let me tell you I'm an Architect. That
triangle is very difficult to do anything that is good. You have the
acceleration lane that has to go all the way in the part of the
Dixie Highway. You have setbacks that will take out of that
triangle. The triangle you eat up almost the whole triangle. A
triangle is a very, very narrow triangle. It's impossible to do anything
there that's worthwhile. That land is completely, you cannot do
anything with it. You have like 59 sq.ft. and maybe you can do a
building of 9,000, you know what I mean? It's impossible. I under-
stand the whole idea of you is to have the neighborhood with a lot and
which is what they like and to have us where our office building
on Dixie, but the thing is this we have the lottwhichithey are small
lots and we don't have any office buildings,because you cannot do
any office buildings in that triangle that is worthwhile, because
you have set -backs, you have acceleration lanes, all the trees are
on Dixie Highway exist and they have to come down because of the
acceleration lane eats them up. I have been studying that triangle
all this time since last time you said so I have been studying
and we cannot get anything that is worthwhile there. We have to
lose that triangle really it is incredible but we have to lose that
triangle.
Mayor Terre: You're going to end up knocking down all the trees...
Ms. Va115: Because the triangle is very narrow triangle and you need
setbacks you know.
Mrs, Gordon: I don't want to argue with you, I appreciate your
point of view. There are four men here they can do what they please,
they don't have to agree with me, I have my philosophy and I have
my feelings about preservation of residential neighborhoods they
can do whatever they want. My ve)te will not change, ok.
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Mayor Fevre: Alright5 Mr. Fosmoen you want to say something?
Mr. Fosmoen: I was going to attempt to respond to the limitations
of the site from some very' auick calculations that looks like
approximately 255000 sq, ft, of building could be provided one'story
12,500 upper level of 12,5°0,
Mayor Ferre Minus all the trees,
Mr, Fosmoen: Including parking. I think that it's possible to
work on that site and not lose all the trees. Certainly if you're
building a larger building on this site you're not losing them,
you can build a smaller building,
Mayor Ferre: Ok. What's the will of the Commission3
Mr. Sugarman: Could I gay few words as a neighbor of that property?
My name is Lee Sugarman. I live at 2212 S.W. 27th Terrace within
100 ft. of the subject property, The integrity of what neighborhood
are you concerned about Mrs. Gordon?
Mrs. Gordon: Coconut Grove neighborhood.
Mr. Sugarman: I live in the Coconut Grove neighborhood,
Mrs. Gordon: Sir, I'm very willing to hear your point of view and
I appreciate your expressing yourself.
Mr, Sugarman: Thank you. You seem to be, I get the, Gather fro your
tone of your voice that you're only concerned with the integrity of
the neighborhood on the east side of 22nd Avenue. There's quite a
bit of neighbors that live on the west side of 22nd Avenue that are
just as close if not closer to the subject propertyland we are all
in favor of a change of zoning of that property because we are sick
and tired of the vacant lots there for the last 20 years,and if it's
not changed it will be vacant for the next 20 years. Now if we
can't get the type of zoning that Mr. Valis has proposed there, I
wonder Father Gibson if you could get HUD interested in that property,
and we could get some nice low-cost housing there of the type that
we have at 37th Avenue and Dixie Highway,and we can get some of your
people and her people and my people out of the ghetto;and out from
behind those barbed wire fences on Dixie Highway and maybe we can
better them,and cut down on the crime. Thank you.
Mayor Ferre: That's what's going to happen.
Mrs. Gordon: Are you saying you want to change it to apartment house
zoning, is that what you're saying?
Mr. Sugarman: I don't want anything there but vacant property.
Mrs. Gordon: Well, if you will allow us to proceed with this
evening's application that is the chance that you will have some
houses going up on that property.
Mr. Sugarman: I can see that.
Mr, Plummer: May I ask Mr. Knox a question?
Mayor Ferre: Go ahead. Alright sir, now wait a minute now you had
your chance now let's have some decorum here and now Mr. Plummer
you'll proceed before my wife calls me again.
Mr, Knox: As I understand it your question was whether or not the
applicant could, if this Commission approves the north half of the
lot this evening whether or not the applicant can make an application
tomorrow morning for the south half is that correct?
Mr, Plummer: Correct.
Mr, Knox; Alright, If the Commission approves the north half this
eveningothen that would mean that the south half is still pending
before the Commission and if it is pending before the Commission then
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some action must be taken within 90 days or the application is
deemed to have been denied.
Mr, Plummer: Then there would be a proposed one=year wait,
Mr, Knox: 18 months,
Mr, Plummer: We115 can ,,66
Mayor Ferret No, They can't bring it back somebody on the Commission
would have to bring it back,
Mr► Plummer: Well j that was the question I was going to ask. Some-
body on the Commission would have to?
Mr, Knox: Right. The Commission would have to take some action as
to the south half within 90 days,
Mr, Plummer: I think the developer has the right to the....
Mayor Ferre: You may not agree with it Plummer, but...,
Mr. Plummer: Then the applicant has the right to call for question
on that,..,
Mayor Ferre: You see Irwin everybody wants to go to heaven but
nobody wants to die, you follow me, you know that same old story,
you seen this before.
Mrs. Gordon: I move you sir that we move this ordinance.
Mayor Ferre: I will now accept the second to that motion. Is there
a second to that motion?
Mr. Plummer: Well, if -you can't get a whole cake you at least take
the half, sure I second the motion.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Knox, you're reading it as an emergency which
requires a 4/5 vote.
Mr. Knox: No ma'am this is not an emergency ordinance. The difference
between this type of ordinance and an emergency ordinance is that an
emergency ordinance tak s effect immediately.
Mrs. Gordon: But you said 4/5 vote.
Mr. Knox: I know, if you pass this ordinance by a 4/5 vote it still
does not become effective until 30 days after your vote. This provision
is provided for in the charter.
Mrs. Gordon: Sir, if it doesn't receive a 4/5 vote what is the status
of this ordinance?
Mr. Knox: If it doesn't receive a 4/5 vote then it would be necessary
to have a second reading.
Mrs. Gordon: Ok.
Mayor Ferre: 0n discussion, I vote once again, although I am a
minority of one that's my opinion against this. This motion does
absolutely nothing. It is half fish and half fowl, it will emasculate
the property;you will end up with a series of little houses on little
lots and some little dinky office building with all the trees torn
off and you're going to live to regret it. I'm going to tell you and
I made a prediction Irwin Christie sat with me. I sat where Plummer
is and Irwin Christie sat right here and a matter came up before us
on U.S, 1, in which some builder and I'll tell you who it was. It was
Mr. Lorit had a one-story building right next to the Dixie
Highway on U,S, 1, you remember that, and it was a very nice designed
building with all kinds of green trees around it and a little .,.
and a park and the whole thing and I want to tell you,,, oh boy, that's
a low blow and I haven't given you any low blows so you just changed my
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attitude for a while. Now it'll take three meetings to get me
back to be nice again.
Mrs. Gordon: I know it.
Mayor Ferret Yes it will.
Mrs. Gordon: I said I know it.
Mayor Ferrer And, I want to tell you that that building would have
been a beautiful addition and the neighbors came here and they stormed
and they said, and we had a model here, and the guy said, look, if
you don't let me do this, this is what I will build, and it was a
monstrosity. It is a monstrosity, three little white block buildings
that are there now they tore down all the trees. It is a monstrosity,
horrible little buildings. We denied it, sure enough Christie denied it
and I denied it, we were all chickens and because all the neighbors
were there, and sure enough... No maybe you and I voted the other
way, I don't remember how it went,
Mr. Plummer: I'm glad to see in ten years you ain't changed a bit.
Mayor Ferre: But I want you to know that sure enough they built that
monstrosity there and next time when you drive down tomorrow downtown
you'll look at it on U.S.1 at about 17th right there on the corner,
three horrible little white buildings three stories tall.
Mrs. Gordon: When the Mayor is through I'd like to remind the
Commission where you see the two lots in green the proposed plat is
to put in there lot of 6,000 sq. ft. for little dinky houses like
you're describing those lots that we are permitting to remain
residential each of them have over 10,000 sq.ft, and let me tell you
that is not�a dinky little lot.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, call the roll.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor I want to make inquiry after that roll is
called.
Mayor Ferre: I'll recognize you for that purpose. Call the roll.
ON ROLL CALL:
SECOND ROLL CALL:
Mr. Plummer: I'm not going to vote on a second roll call. This is
not an emergency item. I see nothing of an emergency nature which
you can defend in court and I'll vote no, because I don't think it's
right.
Mr. Knox: Can I explain to you about what this 4/5 vote is....
Mr. Plummer: Not listed as an emergency reading.
Mr. Knox: I know, but this is... there are two provisions in the
charter sir, one provides for a procedure whereby emergency ordinances
maybe adopted and section 4(g) of the charter provide that if the
Commission passes a measure by a 4/5 vote then the requirement for a
second reading maybe dispensed with.
Mayor Ferre: You want a second reading?
Mr. Plummer: I want a second reading.
Mayor Ferre: I vote no consistent,
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AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE N0, 68715 THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF
MIAMI, BY CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF
LOTS 11, 123 135 145 153 163 17 AND 185 LESS THE
SOUTH 149,9' THEREOF; ALSO THAT PORTION ABUTTING
THE NORTH BOUNDARY LINE OF SAID LOT 115 BLOCK "E"
BISCAYNE PARK TERRACE (2Y36), BEING APPROXIMATELY
2100 SOUTH DIXIE HIGHWAYS FROM R-1 (ONE FAMILY) TO
R-CA (RESIDENTIAL OFFICE); AND BY MAKING THE
NECESSARY CHANGES IN THE ZONING DISTRICT MAPS MADE
A PART OF THE SAID ORDINANCE NO. 68715 BY REFERENCE
AND DESCRIPTION IN ARTICLE I115 SECTION 2 THEREOF;
BY REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES5 CODE SECTIONS5 OR PARTS
THEREOF IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY
PROVISION; AND DISPENSING WITH THE REQUIREMENT OF
READING THE ` AME ON TWO SEPARATE DAYS BY A VOTE OF
NOT LESS THAN FOUR -FIFTHS OF THE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMISSION.
Was introduced by Commissioner Gordon and seconded by Commiss-
ioner Plummer for adoption pursuant to section 4, Paragraph (f) of
the City Charter dispensing with the requirement of reading same on
two separate days by a vote of not less than four -fifths of the members
of the Commission-
AYES: Mrs. Gordon, Rev. Gibson, Vice -Mayor Reboso.
NOES: Mr. Plummer, and Mayor Ferre
ABSENT: None.
Whereupon the Commission on motion of Commissioner Gordon, and
seconded by Commissioner Plummer, adopted said ordinance by the
following vote -
AYES: Mrs. Gordon, Mr. Plummer, Rev. Gibson, and Vice -Mayor Reboso.
NOES: Mayor Ferre
ABSENT: None.
There being insufficient votes in favor of dispensing with the
requirement of reading said ordinance on two separate days the
ordinance was passed on first reading only.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record
and announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and copies were available to the public.
FURTHER DISCUSSION:
Mr. Plummer: Alright, now Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer.
Mr. Plummer: At the sake of getting you decapitated,which I'm really
trying to do and keep you here. The longer I do/the better chance you
got of getting decapitated. Mr. Mayor, this is not going to be popular
with my friends in the neighborhood. The man is entitled to an answer.
This Commission has not addressed the south 149 ft. and I think the
man is entitled to an answer. Now all I'm saying to you is that yes
this is presently being studied in your study and that at such time
that that study is completed and I think it's what 60 days?
Mr. Whipple:
Mr. Plummer:
Mr. Whipple:
February 1st before the Planning Advisory Board.
Well, before this Commission, because....
It'll be March meeting sir.
Mr, Plummer: This matter in my estimation should be settled once and
for all, and that this south 149 ft. which this Commission has not
addressed should be addressed at that time, What am I saying, place
the 149 ft, back on the agenda for some kind of answer. The man is
entitled to it,
Mr, Whipple: Mr, Mayor if I may, if that is the wish of this Commissiion
it would take as I understand a motion for deferral of that south 149,9,.
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Mr. Plummer: We're not addressing that,
Mr, Whipple: Yoare if you defer it until March sit. If you ignore
it it dies, If you defer it until March meetingthen it stays alive,
Mrs, Gordon: Mr. Davis, do you remember whether or not the 149 ft,
was addressed in any fashion at the last meeting?
Mr. Davis: In the meeting of December 15th, it was fully addressed,
it was in the proposal, it Was advertised, it was recommended for
denial by the Zoning Board, (Mrs. Gordon: ok,)
Mr. Davis: What I'm stating at this point is that if it is the
wish of this Commission to hear the southerly portion at the March
meeting they would have to defer that portion of this entire applicat-
ion until that meeting. Otherwise it would automatically expire by
being in process with the Commission over 60 days.
Mr. Fosmoen: May I try and clarify at least one point?
Mrs. Gordon: I wish you would Mr. Fosmoen.
Mr. Fosmoen: If there is no action taken on the southerly 149 ft.
this evening it stays as R-1 which is a minimum 6,000 sq. ft. coming
up before the Planning Advisory Board on February lst,is a public
hearing on the question of re -zoning those lots as well as the 22nd
Avenue frontage to R-1B that will come back to this Commission in
February for your consideration,(I'm sorry March for your consider-
ation). Your action this evening leaves that property as R-1,6,000
sq.ft. and either the Commission, the staff or someone else would
have to initiate an application for any R-CA consideration.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, one way or the other what's....
Mr. Taylor: Mr. Mayor, can I say something? I haven't had a chance
to speak. My name is Robert Taylor and I live at lot 11 there on
Secoffee Street, myself and my father-in-law were down here at the
last meeting Thomas Tatham is his name.
Mayor Ferre: Alright Mr. Taylor.
Mr. Taylor: Basically, what had happened toward the end of the last
meeting1Rose Gordon and Mr. Plummer reached a compromise. I said
ok let's compromise and draw the line,and at that point there was
no further discussion from the people, that ,including myself that were
in favor of re -zoning that entire corner RCA.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Taylor that matter is not before us and therefore
your statement is really out of order.
Mr. Taylor: Let me just say this, even though I was in favor of
having the entire corner zoned RCA living on lot 11 if you cut down
the size of that lot it means that I'm going to have about 4 or 5
small office buildings jammed right behind my house.
Mayor Ferre: You bet'cha.
Mr. Taylor: Whereas, before I would had some nice open space
trees and parking and when Rose Gordon made the motion she never
gave us a chance to come back up here and speak. She just shoveled
it down our throat,
Mayor Ferre: No, no, that's not her, no you can't blame that on her.
Mr. Taylor: And she's been shoveling this thing down our throats
since the beginning,
Mayor Ferre: Mr, Taylor please, please, Now, Rose and I can have
that kind of discussion and we often do but I'm going to pretend,.,
I'm certainly not going to let you talk to her that way.
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Mr. Taylor: Well I pay taxes I can talk to her, I pay her salary.
Mayor Ferre: That's fine.,,►
Mrs, Gordon: I`ll tell you the amount of salary that we get paid
believe me,,.,
Mr, Taylor: Well you ought to resign then Mrs, Gordon if you're
not,..
Mrs. Gordon: Pardon me sir, what did you say to fine?
Mr. Taylor: I said you ought to resign if you're not satisfied
with the salary.
Mrs, Gordon: To satisfy you?
Mr. Taylor: No....
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Taylor you are out of order, Thank you sir for
your deliberations here. I'm the one you have to blame, not Rose
Gordon because I'm the one that's running the meeting and if some-
thing is crammed your throat it was my fault not her's ok. Now,
let's move along and unless I hear otherwise it remains as R-1,
Alright, we'll move on to the next item.
9, FIRST READING ORDINANCE: AMEND ARTICLE XIV-1 SPECIAL COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL
C-2A DISTRICT - PERMIT CERTAIN GROUND FLOOR LEVEL OFFICES AS CONDITIONAL USEk
Mr. Whipple: Item #6 is a Planning Department application to modify
the zoning ordinance to revise the C-2A District to permit certain
ground -floor level offices as conditional uses in the Coconut Grove
Business District.
Mr. Plummer:
meeting.
Mayor Ferre: Well, I expressed my position to on the record.
Mr. Plummer: I'm telling you the way I felt at the last meeting....
Mayor Ferre: Well, item #6 on First Reading - Ordinance- Planning
Department_Application, amending Article XIV-1, Special Community
Commercial -C-2A District of the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance 6871.
Now, this passed the Plannin€, Advisory Board by 7-0 it was recommend-
ed by the Planning Department.... Are there any objectors to it?
Alright, what's the will of this Commission? I'll wait a moment.
Let's see if we can save some time. Did anybody want to move this?
I expressed my feelings pretty damn
clear at the last
Mrs. Gordon: I want the Department to speak to this please.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, go right ahead.
Mr. Whipple: Mr. Mayor, Commissioners, in very few words this is a
clarification ordinance with respect to the intent and the existing
provisions of the C-2A. There was some conflict within the C-2A
Districts regarding which uses should be subject to a conditional
use approval in which amount of square footage. This erases that
conflict and that question that makes all office usage in the Coconut
Grove District as a conditional use of when it falls within 65% of
the street frontage your intent here is to maintain the pedestrian
character and orientation and the retail activity in the central
core area.
Mr. Plummer: You think this is a good thing?
Mr, Whipple: Yes sir.
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AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING
ORDINANCE NO: 6871, ARTICLE XIV=1, SPECIAL
COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, C=2A DISTRICT, SECTION
2(57)(5) AND SECTION 4(1)(a), TO PROVIDE THAT
ANY GROUND FLOOR LEVEL OFFICES, INCLUDING BANKS
AND FINANCE OFFICES, EMPLOYMENT OFFICES, MEDICAL
OR DENTAL LABORATORIES, MEDICAL OR DENTAL OFFICES
OR CLINICS, OFFICES PROFESSIONAL OR BUSINESS,
AND REAL ESTATE AND TICKET AGENCIES WITHIN THE
65% RESTRICTED FRONTAGE, MAY BE PERMITTED ONLY AS
CONDITIONAL USES; BY REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES,
CODE SECTIONS, OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT; AND
CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION.
Was introduced by Commissioner Gordon and seconded by Commissioner
Plummer and passed on its first reading by title by the following
vote:
AYES: Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Vice --Mayor Manolo Reboso
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and to the public.
10, FIRST READING ORDINANCE: FIEND ARTICLE XXV BASE BUILDING LINES - MAKE N.W. 9
AVE. BETWEEN 15 ST. AND 18 ST. AND N.W, 10 AVE. BETWEEN 19 ST. AND 20 ST. 70'
"RIGHT-OF-WAYS."
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, ARTICLE
XXV, BASE BUILDING LINES, SECTION 1, BY ADDING
PARAGRAPH (97-A) MAKING N.W. 9TH AVENUE, BETWEEN
N.W. 15TH STREET AND N.W. 18TH STREET, A 70' RIGHT-
OF-WAY (35' TO CENTER LINE); BY DELETING PARAGRAPH
(98) IN ITS ENTIRETY AND ADDING A NEW PARAGRAPH
(98) MAKING N.W. 10TH AVENUE, BETWEEN N.W. 19TH
STREET AND N.W. 20TH STREET, A 70' RIGHT-OF-WAY
(35' TO CENTER LINE); BY REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES,
CODE SECTIONS, OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT; AND
CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION.
Was introduced by Commissioner Gordon and seconded by Commissioner
Gibson and passed on its first reading by title by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Vice -Mayor Manolo Reboso
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and to the public.
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L CLM E ANY MIME P r Ci ►tb2b A SO. OP THE StifIll RIGHTatFaWAY
LINE NiEf 16 St. ItaTATIA PLAT 97& "JEFFER N'8 ANir1I I"
Mayor Ferre: You want to be heard? I'm sorry, I'm glad you stood
Up, Anybody else want to be heard? Would you like to be heard?
Anybody else? Yes, we have some objectors, I beg your pardon,
Mrs, Gordon: The reason that it's not apparentis there aren't any
red drawings on the board and that's where we know there are people
here in objection,
Mayor Ferret Alright sir' you right ahead. You are recognized.
Mr, Green: Robert Green, I'm the owner of a restaurant on 1st Ct.
and 17th Street called the Tree Top,
Mrs. Gordon: Would somebody point to his restaurant please?
Mr. Whipple: What's the address of your restaurant sir?
Mr. Green: 128 N.E. 17th Street,
Mayor Ferre: On Biscayne Boulevard?
Mr. Green: No, on the corner of 1st Court and 17th sir.
Mayor Ferre: I see.
Mrs. Gordon: Did you send in a written objection sir?
Mir. Green: I just got notice of this today and I beg your indulgence
in the fact in the way I'm dressed:y&;:' e tired, I was buying at
4:30 this morning.
Mayor Ferre: I bet you're tired, go right ahead.
Mr. Green: As I understand this right now access to my restaurant,
we've been open seven months and I've enjoyed very, very good success
there. My brothers and I invested over $100,000 to make this a
worthwhile project in the Omni area.
Mrs. Gordon: What's the name of your restaurant.
Mr. Green: Yes, the name of the restaurant is Tree Top.
Mrs. Gordon: I'll have to try it.
Mr. Green: I'm sure you'd enjoy it.
Mr. Whipple: If you see where this is located sir it's a block away
from your restaurant.
Mr. Green: If you'll allow me to continue sir I'm sure you'll
understand my objection. What we have -- N.E. 17th Street is a
one-way street it happens to be going towards Omni which makes
almost impossible getting to my restaurant unless you go all the
way around the back way to 1st Avenue. What you're proposing is
to put me out of business which makes it even more difficult. Now
unless you can show me differently I would be very happy ...
Mr. Whipple: Sir, I don't see how it would affect, because the
closure of the alley, if you see the yellow portion of the alley,
point it out Mr. Perez, is a short end of a stub alley that does
not go through the block that is already on Jefferson's property
and they own the property all the way around it at this point. There's
all the property in blue is the Jefferson property, The yellow alley
at the northerly end of that block is the alley which is proposed to
be closed, There is no traffic through that alley sir, It has no
effect on your restaurant,
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Mrs. Gordon: t think you thought it Was a block further north sit
Mrs Green: Well as its explained on the notice it was kind of a1
most impossible for me to figure it out and it looked liked 16th
Street, As it is you have to come in from Biscayne Boulevard,
You have to come around the whole dog leg just to get into tne,
Any possibilities of closing 16th Street, 17th Street now is
half one-way and half tt4'o=way.
Mr. Whipple: But there is no street closure sir. This is a closure
of a little stub alley.
Mr. Green: Then you're more than welcome to close it. I withdraw
my objection. Thank you.
Mayor Ferre: Ok. Next speaker.
Mrs. Gordon:
know before.
now we know where your restaurant is, We didn't
Mayor Ferre: You will have a couple of customers now. Ok, who is
the next speaker? Anybody else? Any objectors? Alright. Now call
the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 78-78
A RESOLUTION CLOSING, VACATING, ABANDONING
AND DISCONTINUING THE PUBLIC USE OF THAT
PORTION OF THE ALLEY LYING WITHIN NORTH
MIAMI (A - 49-1/2), bounded by N.E. 1ST
COURT AND N.E. 2ND AVENUE SOUTH OF THE
SOUTH RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE OF N.E. 16TH STREET
FOR A DISTANCE OF - 120', IN CONJUNCTION WITH
TENTATIVE PLAT 11976-B "JEFFERSON'S ADDITION".
Upon being seconded by Commissioner (Rev.) Gibson, the
resolution was passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
12. FIRST READING ORDINANCE: CHANGE ZONING CLASSIFICATION N.W. CORNER OF N.E. 4
CT, AT NE 55 TERR - FROM Cl TO C4,
Mayor Ferre: We are now on item 10. First Reading - Ordinance,
Application by Food Fair to change the zoning from the N.W. corner
of N.E. 4th Court at N.E. 55th Terrace from C-1 to C-4. Now the
Planning Department recommended a denial and the Zoning Board
recommended a denial 6-1. Their are no objectors. Now, we have a
distinguish counselor, Mr. Aronovitz, we're always happy to have you
here. They want to change it from C-1 to C-4.
Mrs. Gordon: Bob, or Dick, wasn't that C-4 at one time, this property
that we're considering right now, sometimes back?
Mr. Plummer: I don't believe so.
Mr. Whipple: I don't believe so. I believe the only thing that,..
where General Tire was, I believe lot 11 was originally in the C-1
category but .., in early 60's it changed to C-4,
Mr. Plummer: Whipple, what is to the left of there, across the
railroad track;
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Mr. Whipple: We have the railroad immediately to the left of to the
west then you move into a sparsely developed' partially developed
I should says G 5 mostly a warehouse area with residential use in
back.
Mr. Plummer: We got C=5 , C1 i C4 .
Mr. Reboso: You have C=5 to the west side of the FEC?
Mr. Whipple: Yes sir.
Mr. Reboso: C'S.
Mr. Whipple: One of our primary concerns Mr. Mayor and Commissioners
is the overall condition of commercial development in this area and
other areas of the city. We have a substantial amount of commercial
zoning as we've indicated in the past and a good portion of this
zoning in fact almost the majority, if you will in excess of 40% is
either C -4 or C-5 more liberal classifications. Our suggestion here
is that we maintain a neighborhood or community type characteristic
for restrictive type uses. Well, this was a food fair outlet.
Mrs. Gordon: Dick, can I ask the applicant to identify himself,
tell us what he wants to do on it and this and that?
Mr. Aronovitz: Mr. Mayor, members of the Commission, my name is
Alfred Aronovitz. I'm an Attorney representing Mr. 6 Mrs. Reudidge
and Food Fair, Inc. I'm with the firm of Aronovitz & Wexler and our
address is 1117 City National Bank. Bldg. I'm here tonight to seek a
re -zoning of the parcel that is bounded on the south, as you can see,
by N.E. 55th Terrace, on the east by 4th Court or Bayshore Unit #4,
and on the west by the FEC Railroad tracks. This property consists
of approximately 150 ft. of frontage on 55th Terrace and 263 ft. on
N.E. 4th Court. Presently, on the site at the south side is a
building housing and appliance store and immediately north and
adjacent thereto is another building of approximately 121 thousand
sq.ft. that has been vacant for approximately 8-years. I'm here to
request that this property be changed from local -commercial (C-1) to
general -commercial (C-4). I believe this to be a meritorious request
for the following reasons: This property is adjacent to C-4 property
at its south side. That is on the south side of N.E. 55th Terrace.
On its east side and it is adjacent to the FEC tracks on the west
side that's C-5. In other words, it's just a peninsula. This is just
a peninsula of C-1 in a C-4 ....
Mrs. Gordon: What do you want to put in it?
Mr. Aronovitz: My client desires to put a vitamin compounding and
processing plant. In other words, he is not going to make vitamins
but they blend them and compound them in packages. I could tell
you that to deny this request it seems to me would be very anonymous.
This is not a C-1 zoning area. The Tire Store across on the east side
requires C-4. The Gasoline Station south of that requires either
C-2 or C-4. The Mortuary on the west side of....
Rev. Gibson: Come on,you're going to lose a vote now.
Mr, Aronovitz: No, I was merely trying to say what the use was.
I was saying that this was not a C-1 use, that the Planning Director
is in error calling this a C-1 zone.
Mrs. Gordon; I agree. I really do, honestly, you can't always be
right fellows. I'm with you a lot of times but I move that this
be granted.
Mayor Ferre: Father Gibson seconds, Further discussion.,.
Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr, Mayor, I'm sorry if I've got to ask a
question, Look, to me,..,
Mrs, Gordon: I'm sorry I didn't ask if there was any objectors?
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Mr. Plufnrner: I'm not an objectors but let me draw you a logical
conclusions and I don't know if we can even do it. I'm all in favor
of uthat Rose is saying swith a logical conclusion to Mes Fosmoens
you know what I ' m sayings I just showed you 4 that you draw the Cm4
line across the top and even it out. Now; those people are not
before us....
Mr. Aronovitz: Yes they are before you. May Is I was about to tell
your...
Mr. Plummer: Wells but it's not advertised, so I don't think we can
do it.
Mr. Aronovitz: I don't want it done. We don't want that done, I
represent... Food Fair is also the owner of 305 ft, north of the
property that we're seeking this re -zonings but we want to use that
for the parking facility that we presently have. We do not seek
re -zoning.
Mrs. Gordon: They don't need it. Why should we give it?
Mr. Plummer: Ok.
Mayor Ferre: Further discussion. There's a motion and a second.
Mrs. Gordon: I really mean if e+'er there's been an application that
was an easy one for me to make a decision this is it. The railroad
and the C-4 and the C-5 and this thing coming down like a root into
it.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI,
BY CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF LOTS 31 thru
40, BLOCK 14; BAYSHORE UNIT 114 (16-30), BEING THE N.W.
CORNER OF N.E. 4TH COURT AT N.E. 55TH TERRACE, FROM
C-1 (LOCAL COMMERCIAL) TO C-4 (GENERAL COMMERCIAL); AND
BY MAKING THE NECESSARY CHANGES IN THE ZONING DISTRICT
MAP MADE A PART OF THE SAID ORDINANCE NO. 6871 BY REFERENCE
AND DESCRIPTION IN ARTICLE III, SECTION 2 THEREOF; BY
REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS, OR 'DARTS THEREOF
IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY PROVISION.
Was introduced by Commissioner Gordon and seconded by Commissioner
Gibson and passed on its first reading by title by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Vice -Mayor Manolo Reboso
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and to the public.
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i APPEAL f' APPLt(`-MANUEL DEL P fit LL( OF ZONING BOARD'S DENIAL OP
VARIANCE - 3513 SA 17 TERM ( DISCuSSED AND DEFERRED ) 1
Mayor Ferret Iteitt 11(a) and (b) have been withdrawn. We're on item
# 12. This is an appeal by the applicant, Manuel Del Portillo, The
Zoning Board's denial, Is the applicant here? Is there anybody here
on item 12? Alright, The Planning Department recommended Denial,
The Zoning Board recommended Denial, There are no objections,
Where is the property, I don't see its
Mr, Davis: The center lot of those three on 17th.
Mayor Ferret How big a lot is it?
Mr, Davis: 42 x 70,
Mayor Ferre: You want to build a duplex there?
Ms . Del Portillo: It has an existing duplex, If I may give you...
I know you're in a hurry to get home so am I,but we've been on this
since October ---Lot 13. Mv.name is Sonia Del Portillo and I'm talking
in behalf of M. Del Portillo. It is an existing building. It's
a two-story duplex right now. It's a solid CBS structure with almost
a new roof and a life expectancy like any new building in a similar
area. The ground floor apartment has tile floors. It has an
existing $30,000 mortgage and provides enough income to off -set the
mortgage payments. On the other hand, it provides no parking space.
It is built flush with the street within the 25 ft. setback that is
required, you know, by the Planning Board, Zoning regulation, what-
ever, you know. It has very poor floor plans, no air conditioning.
It's an unsIrrht y old structure, old windows, and ten years from
now the City decides to widen the streets from 32 ft. to 50 ft, it
will be burden with the additional expense and demolishing and re-
constructing the existing duplex that is right now on the property.
The owner requested in order to make the most reasonable use of this
land...
Mrs. Gordon: You're not the owner?
Ms. Del Portillo: I'm not the owner. I'm the owner's sister-in-law.
Ok. To make the most reasonable use of this land and at the same
time to make it economical feasible he requested a variance so that
permission will be granted to the demolish the existing building there.
The existing duplex and in it's place build a new one. The new one
will bring more revenue to the City , it provide for green area.
Mrs. Gordon: Ok. Just let me ask the Planning Department. What is the
dimension of the existing building, do you know? Is there a
survey of the existing, does anybody know?
Mr. Whipple: I think Bob has it in the file there.
Mr, Davis: I'll check,just a moment. This is the one right here.
The existing building is approximately 20 ft. deep by 40 ft. wide.
It encroaches upon this side lot line.
Mrs. Gordon: The existing building is 20 x 40?
Mr. Davis: Approximately ma'am. It's an odd shape building...
Ms. Del Portillo: Ok. Number two, what we have there on lot 12 and
15, the two corner lots. One is a complete building, the other one
is an approved building site with a building permit. The one we're
talking about is the new lot and that's what we propose to build right
in alignment with the other two buildings and not flush with the side-
walk as it presently stands. The sketch number three, we show the
two building sites as they have been approved and what is constructed
and then the existing structure with about 800 sq.ft, on each floor
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sitting flush with the street and it's a duple t.
Mrs. Gordon: What is the dihensions of the new building you're
proposing?
Ms. Del Portillo: It would be roughly about the same size 800s
pet floor and that's on sketch number one. I'm showing, you
know, two proposed things, you know things that could be done
Without that building.,,.
Mrs. Gordon: Are you asking for,., you're not asking for any
variances on setbacks or anything?
Mr, Davis: Yes ma'am he's asking for a variance on the rear set-
back of 15 ft.,20 ft, is required. It also, with a lot of that size
20 - 3250 sq.ft. approximately, A duplex normally cannot be built
on That size lot.
Mr. Reboso: Hold it for a second. You say the rear setback, what is
the variance they're asking for?
Mr, Davis: They're proposing 50 ft....
Mr. Reboso: 5 ft.
Mr. Davis: A 5 ft. variance.
Mr. Reboso: Ok. Ok.
Mr. Davis: The lot size, this is a complicated situation. These
people have those three lots in a line on 17th and... They have
already received variances on the easterly lot and the westerly lot
which bound this lot to construct duplexes. The Zoning Board in
reviewing this denied it because they felt that the lot was too small
to support a duplex with a duplex on either side would make...
Mrs. Gordon: But it already is a duplex.
Mr. Davis: It already is a duplex but there is nothing on either
side lot.
Mr. Reboso: But, let me tell you the only reason ....
Mrs. Gordon: Yes, but wouldn't it improve the looks of the neighbor-
hood if it was torn down?
Mr. Davis: Well, this is up to the Commission and the Board. The
Board didn't feel so.
Ms. Del Portillo: .... At the time it was denied, they said, why
don't you modernize, and we proposed that modernation plan, you know,
re -building and so forth and they denied because the building right
now is within the 29 ft. setback and we have to demolish in order to
comply with the regulations.
Mrs. Gordon: Just a minute. Mr. Fosmoen, is this the way it would
look if all three buildings would come down?
Mr. Fosmoen: Yes, if all three. Let me try and clarify a couple of
issues for the Commission. There are 3 parcels of property, 50,50,and
42 ft. wide. The end parcels are 50 ft. There is currently a building,
a duplex across this parcel and this parcel existing. They have received
approval on a single-family dwelling on the westerly parcel with
variances I might add, There were variances granted on the setbacks.
They have received permission to build a single-family unit on the
easterly parcel with variances, with setback variances. They're going
to tear down the existing building, put up another single-family unit
on the easterly building and are now requesting further variances for
a duplex on the center parcel of 42 ft, wide.
Mr, Reboso; Let me ask you, what's the zoning R-2?
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Mrs, Gordon: If she pulls down the duplex Mr. Fosmoen she could still
put up a unit, a building, a single.,fainily unit?
Mr, Fosmoen: She currently has permission to put up a single.,family
unit on the eastern parcel, She is now seeking a variance for the
center parcel for a duplex,
Mr, Plummer: With five units on two parcels,
Mr. Fosmoen: No it'll be four units on three parcels where there
is currently two units on three parcels.
Mr. Plummer: I'm talking about units now. I'm not talking about
buildings.
Mr, Fosmoen: I know. There will be three buildings, four units on
three parcels of property.
Mr. Plummer: You said on lot 14 they have just received permission
for a single-family residence.
Mr. Fosmoen: That's correct.
Mr. Plummer: Alright ...
Mr. Fosmoen: It's under construction.
Mr. Plummer: Alright, and that's the only thing on that parcel.
Mr. Fosmoen: That's correct.
Mr. Plummer: Alright, you now explained that they have a duplex
up toward the north lot line.
Mr. Fosmoen: Covering both parcel 13 and 12.
Mr. Plummer: Alright. Now you also say that they're building down
from your pencil there a single-family.
Mr. Fosmoen: No, they're going to tear down the existing duplex that
covers lots 12 and 13 and build a single-family on lot 12 and they're
requesting a variance for a duplex on lot 13.
Mr. Plummer: Oh I see.
Ms. Del Portillo: Mr. Mayor, if I may talk, because last time we got
no where we spent a lot of time and the fact is that whenever I tried
to talk, you know I'm wasn't allowed and if I may express completely,
ok. Right now, alright, we requested to have on lot 14, there's a
new structure a single-family residence, one unit. On lot 12 there's
a building permit that lot 12 has an encroachment of three feet. The
duplex itself will not be completely within 12 lots, 12 and 13 as you
may see by my sketch number three.
Mayor Ferre: If you look at sketch number three you'll see what she's
talking about. She's saying that this building has a three foot
encroachment on lot 12.
Mrs. Gordon: It's terrible. It has to come down.
Ms. Del Portillo: Well, the encroachment will have to come down,
but necessarily the building.
Mrs, Gordon: No I didn't say that. I just say it will be improvement
if it came down.
Ms. Del Portillo: Right. That's what they say that I would have to
tear down the duplex completely so I can build there. We got the
building permit and all we have to do, you know, it was not subject
to anything, but in order to comply with the lenders requirement we'll
have to remove that 3 ft. encroachment from that building site and
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what we're talking now tight from the beginring,they've been trying
to tie up three lots and that's the reason why I'm here appealing.
It's specifically about lot 135 bk Where there is a two=story
CBS structure duplex that will have the encroachment removed and
What we want to do is to replace a new (the structures ok). It
will bring more revenue to the City in case this street will have
to be widened; it will have room to do its it will have green areas
it willprovide for parkingspaces it will enhance the area.
P s We
feel that the denials of the boards you knout last time was due that
they were taking too much time and there wasn't no(with due respect
and all no solid grounds). If the owner were requesting granting a
variance to build a new duplex on a vacant lot.then it would be a
different storys but we're requesting the granting of this variance
in order that an existing duplex be demolished and that we will build
a new building instead of the old ones that's the difference that
exist right there. Oks to replace that is not to be build a complete
ones it's not a vacant lot. The recommendation of the Planning
Department was because of the area density...,
Mrs. Gordon: May I ask you a question?
Ms. Del Portillo: Yes.
Mrs, Gordon: Why are you putting up single families where you have
the larger lot and here on the smaller lot you want a duplex?
Ms. Del Portillo: Because of the setback. Even though it's a
smaller lot the setbacks are smaller, you only have to leave 5 ft.
on each side and the variance that we're requesting for the back
it'll make it 11. It's the same variance that we requested on the
other two units and that was granted. On this particular block
there are five lots. These five lots, the two lots, 11 & 15 are for
duplexes.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, I think Ms. Del Portillo that you are a very
good lawyer.
Ms. Del Portillo: No I'm not a lawyer.
Mrs. Gordon: Are you an Architect?
Ms. Del Portillo: Neither. I'm a builder's wife.
Mayor Ferre: I'm just trying to be nice to you that's all, but I
don't know what the wish or the will of this Commission is so let's
see if there's a...
Mr. Reboso: Mr. Mayor, I think one of the main problems is the
base building line that is reducing the lot 9 ft. in the frontage.
I myself don't see any problem to give that variance.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, there's a motion.
Mr. Reboso: I move it.
Mayor Ferre: That the Applicant be...
Mrs. Gordon: This is all zoned duplex, right? Right, Mr. Fosmoen,
this is all zoned duplex?
Mr. Reboso: It's only the duplex and the Planning Department
recommendation that the block is already crowded,
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: It's a duplex existing ..,
Mrs. Gordon: I know, but,..
Mr. Fosmoen: Yes it is zoned for a duplex, however we require
a minimum of 3,500 sq. ft, - 4,000 sq,ft, for duplexes,
Mrs, Gordon: Do the corner lots have that sq, footage or not?
Do the corner ones have that? I don't have any dimensions on this
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thing,
Mr, Fosmoen: This lot is 3400 sq, ft,
Mrs, Gordon: The one we're discussing now?
Mr. Fosmoen: 3,040,
Mayor Ferre: Versus 45000,4.
Mr, Davis: Versus 45000 minimum. The Board I might add, felt by
denying this it still gave the applicant permission to put up a
single-family dwelling on this lot which they felt was more suitable.
Mrs, Gordon: Ok. How many square feet are in the corner lots?
Mr. Davis: I don't have a survey on that,.,.
Ms, Del Portillo: The house that I'll build there; there are 50 x 70
feet.
Mr. Davis: There is a street widening situation on these that narrows
those lots down from 50 ft. Mrs. Gordon, that's what I don't have here
it takes off either five or ten feet and I don't show that,
Mrs, Gordon: You mean the base building line is ten feet?
Mr. Davis: Yes, so it really makes the lot smaller than the center
one.
Mrs. Gordon: Than they really are.
Mr. Davis: Yes ma'am they are smaller lots than the center ones.
Mrs. Gordon: They have the setbacks further.
Mr. Davis: Yes ma'am.
Mrs. Gordon: That's not their fault.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, well, look this may all futile because we have
a motion and if there's no secondthenit's dead, so I'm going to call
for a second...
Mrs. Gordon: Well, I'll tell you I'd like to go and look at the
neighborhood to tell you the truth and I'll tell you I could make a
more logical decision.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, Mrs. Gordon moves that this matter be deferred
until the next meeting so that we can go look at it.
Mrs. Gordon: Will that cause you a great hardship because we aren't
going to hear it until the end of February?
Ms. Del Portillo: Well, it will in a way because, see the recommend-
ation to build a single-- I know you all want to get home ( I have
six kids... I have ...
Mrs. Gordon: No. I would like, I don't know about the other
Commissioners but I think before I could vote to grant you a duplex
on 3,040 ,sq.ft. I have to take a look at that neighborhood.
Ms. Del Portillo: See, what we want to do there, you know, it is there
it's bigger than the area, none of the neighbors has objected.
Mr. Plummer: Ma'am.
Ms, Del Portillo: Yes.
Mr, Plummer: In very brief, you either accept it or you lose.
Ms, Del Portillo: Excuse me, I couldn't get it,
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Mr, Plurnnier: You either accept the deferral or you lose,
Ms, Del Portillo: Nos then I'll accept the deferral►
Mayor Ferre: Alright, there's a Motion to defer; seconded by
Father Gibson, Further discussion,
A motion to defer this matter to next meeting was passed
and adopted by a unanimous vote of the Commission,
Mayor Ferre: Yess we'll see you next month,
Ms, Del Portillo: Alright, I hope I have number two or three on
the agenda,
Mrs, Gordon: Let her have number one or two on the agenda Mr. Homan,
or whoever makes the agenda,
141 REVIEW OF RESOLUTION 72-415 WHICH PERMITTED OFF-STREET PARKING LOT AT
1570 N.W. 26TH AvENUt,
Mayor Ferre: 72-415 of July 20th, which permitted an off-street
parking lot on approximately 1570, the Zoning Division indicates the
intent of the Resolution is not being met.
Mr. Davis: You have with you a report from the Building Department
on this matter Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: Yes. Tell us what's going on.
Mr. Davis: The Building Department has not been able to obtain an
enforcement of this item by and have this under notice and therefore
it's back before this Commission.
Rev. Gibson: I didn't get that.
Mr. Davis: The Building Department has not been able to obtain
compliance with the intent of the Resolution which was to keep the
bar up over the entrance on the 29th Avenue I think it is, I'm sorry
24th Avenue-- 26th Avenue, alright, and to have the ingress only with
no egress and therefore I posted the notice of violation....
Mrs. Gordon: You mean the cars have been going in and out through
that entrance?
Mr. Davis: Yes ma'am, as well as trucks.
Mrs. Gordon: Ok. Let me ask you a question, have you received
complaints from the neighborhood?
Mr, Davis: The neighborhood has not, to my knowledge, I can't answer
for the Building Department on this but to my knowledge they have
not been complaining, however, this item was not set for a public
hearing. I don't know what would be the reaction if they were to
feel this were being changed.
Mrs. Gordon: I see one red, so somebody is.,.
Mr. Davis; This was the original hearing Mrs. Gordon.
Mrs, Gordon: Oh, ok.
Mr. Davis: This is not a new map.
Mrs. Gordon: Well, I don't know, I didn't give you a chance to say,
can you tell us why this thing is down and so on so forth?
•
Mr. Vidal: My name is Sergio Vidal, 2351 W. Flagler Street, I
represent the owner of the property,
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Mrs. Gordon: You ate one of the owners?
Mr& Vidal: First of all, we have vandalism all over the shopping
center and all their security device has been Vandalized three or
four times& We have been replacing the lights devices.
Mrs& Gordon: How wide is the opening that you have?
Mr. Vidal: The actual one is 10 feet,
Mr& Davis: The opening is supposed to be 10 feet wide Mrs. Gordon&
It's supposedly limited to 10 feet.
Mrs. Gordon: What is it?
Mr. Davis: I'm not sure. It's probably wider than that at this
point. The owner would be able to state. That's another point of
miscompliance.
Mayor Ferre: Don't you remember the shopping center...
Mrs. Gordon: Yesi I know the place exactly. My question is directed
at finding out whether or not we can take a different position than
we did a couple of years ago when the neighborhood was and we didn't
know what the track records would be and that's the reason I'm
questioning you.
Mr. Davis: That's exactly why the Commission asked that this come
back for review.
Mrs. Gordon: Ok. Alright.
Mr. Vidal: Mainly, we have no problems at all in the neighborhood
anymore and the people is using for ingress and egress due to the
vandalism of the devices. We are living in peace altogether and I
don't see why not just to waive all the re5 rictions.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Davis, if there complaints coming in you would
know about it wouldn't you?
Mr. Davis: The Building Department would. I wouldn't necessarily,
no ma'am, but we've had no indication of this from the Building
Department.
Mrs. Gordon: Well, I'm going to tell you how I feel about it. I
would say that I would feel comfortable in permitting the device to
be removed for a period of whatever period of time we feel comfortable
with and then review it again, because now we're doing something else
we had instructed them to put up a device, which through no fault of
his the devices been removed. Is that correct?
Mr. Davis: That's what I understand, yes ma'am. I might add that
this is not a public hearing. This is a review by the Commission
of this situation.
Mrs. Gordon; Alright, we're reviewing it, ok.
Mr. Davis: If that resolution were to be changed
need a new public hearing.
Mrs. Gordon: Well, are they here tonight because
here?
Mr. Davis: Yes ma'am we asked them to come.
Mrs, Gordon; Ok,
Mr, Vidal; May I say something? I
and I just asked him for waiving of
have future complaints in regard of
we just want to,,,
I think it would
you brought them
consider this a public hearing
repair of the devices, If you
that entrace or ingress or egress
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Mrs, Gordon: Mr, Fosfnoenj how do we handle this?
Mr. Plummer: Are you asking sirs to repair the device and leave it
there is that what you're asking?
Mrs. Gordon: No; he wants to leave it alone.
Mrs Vidal: To waive the repair of the device,
Mr, Plummer: To waive the repair?
Mrs, Gordon: He doesn't want to repair its and he doesn't want to
have to come back here and answer to us every month or two► He
wants us to either pass a resolution which permits him not to have
to repair it or not to have to put it back or if we have to have
a public hearing in order to do it then hold the public hearing.
Mr. Reboso:
Mrs. Gordon:
Mr, Reboso:
Mr. Davis:
Mr, Reboso:
legally?
Mr. Vidal: To be this is a public hearing.
Mrs. Gordon: No. This is not a public hearing.
Mr. Vidal: Ok. I know what you mean with a public hearing and we'll
take it .. we can't repair if you'd like it to be repaired, but it is
going to be vandalized again, it's going to be broken and ...
Mr. Plummer: From the looks of these pictures they must have hit it
with a bulldozer.
Mr. Reboso: Let's put it in a public hearing.
Mr. Plummer: Put it in a public hearing.
Mrs. Gordon: How does it go by the public hearing, did we call for
it?
Can we grant the relief for certain...
Only if we have a public hearing they say.
Only if we have a public hearing?
That's right sir. That is a revision of the
It's nothing that we can do without a public
resolution.
hearing,
Mr. Davis: If it is the desire for this Commission to have a public
hearing to revise that resolution we would so advertise it.
Mr. Reboso: I move it.
Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute let's get the options Lere as I understand
the public hearing the worst that can happen to him is to have to repair
it.
Mrs. Gordon: Right.
Mr. Davis: That's right or lose his ...
Mr. Plummer: Ok. So he's got everything to gain and nothing to lose,
is that correct?
Mr, Davis: Yes sir.
Mr. Reboso: I move it that we bold a public hearing.
Mr. Plummer: That's called an offer you can't refuse.
Mr. Davis; Due to the.,, we're getting a lot of things in March and
we were trying to hold this down to one meeting in March.
Mr, Plummer: So put it in April.
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NOES: None.
Mrs: Gordon: So put it in April
ON _ROLL „CALL :
Mr: Plummer: With the proviso that the man has been put at the end
of the agenda this evening which should entitle him to the first
item of the agenda in April. I vote yea.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Reboso,
who moved its adoption.
MOTION NO. 7879
A MOTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY
MANAGER TO REQUEST THE ZONING DEPARTMENT TO
TAKE NECESSARY ACTION TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING
TO REVIEW CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN RESOLUTION
NO. 72415 DATED JULY 20, 1972 WHICH PERMITTED
AN OFF-STREET PARKING LOT AT APPROXIMATELY
3570 N.W. 26TH AVENUE.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Vice Mayor Manolo Reboso
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
15. GRANT ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF CONDITIONAL USE TO PERMIT P,U.N. -
1684 S.W. 24TH AVENUE'
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gordon,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 78-80
A RESOLUTION GRANTING A ONE-YEAR EXTENSION OF
THE CONDITIONAL USE AS LSITED IN ORDINANCE NO.
6871, ARTICLE VI, SECTION 1 (4-A) (a), TO PERMIT
CONSTRUCTION OF A DEVELOPMENT OF A PLANNED UNIT
NATURE (PUN) ON LOTS 24, 25, 26 - ALL LESS S70'
AND LESS E10' OF LOT 26, BLOCK 14, GRAPELAND
REVISED (3-196), BEING 1684 S.W. 24TH AVENUE, AS
PER PLANS ON FILE, CONSISTING OF 3 ONE-STORY
DWELLING UNITS IN 2 STRUCTURES; ZONED R-2 (TWO
FAMILY).
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Rose Gordon
Commissioner (Rev,) Theodore R. Gibson
Vice -Mayor Manolo Reboso
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
ADJOURNMENT:
There being no further business to come before the City
Commission the meeting was adjourned at 10:30 P.M.
ATTEST; Ralph G, Ongie
City Clerk
Matty Hirai
Assistant City Clerk
MAURICE A. FERRE
Mayor
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ITEM NOi
2
3
4
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6
Ci'V cF IWAI%I
DOCUMENT
INDE
DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION
COMMISSION AGENDA AND CITY CLERIC REPORT
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS WITH
MIAMI ASSOCIATES LTD. FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OPERATION
AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE CITY OF MIAMI CONVENTION
CENTER/UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI JAMES L. KNIGHT INTERNA-
TIONAL CENTER
AMENDING RESC1UTION NO. 74-970 TO PERMIT AN OPENING
IN THE WALL ALONG THE N.W. 11TH STREET SIDE OF THE
CENTRAL SHOPPING PLAZA
CLOSING, VACATING, ABANDONING AND DISCONTINUING THE
PUBLIC USE OF THAT PORTION OF N.W. 17TH COURT LYING
BETWEEN NORTHWESTERLY PRODUCTION OF THE SOUTHWESTERLY
BOUNDARY OF LOT 66 OF LAWRENCE PARK
CLOSING, VACATING ABANDONING AND DISCONTINUING THE
PUBLIC USE OF THAT PORTION OF THE ALIE'Y LYING WITHIN
NORTH MIAMI
GRANTING A ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF THE CONDITIONAL
USE AS LIST IN ORDINANCE NO. 6871, ARTICLE VI, SEC-
TION 1(4-A) (a), TO PERMIT CONSTRUCTION OF A DEVELOP-
MENT OF A PLANNED UNIT NATURE OF LOTS 24, 25, 26
MEETING DATE:
January 24, 1978
COMMISSION
AC'ION.
R-78-74
R-78-75
R-78-77
R-78-78
R-78-80
RETRIEVAL
CODE, No.
0016
78-74
78-75
78-77
78-78
78-80