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in- to fi ure out hor we could do it. ,e osn' t do it from
_ r i r-verlle funds. Or caul. se 1 1. Gould have to be for
h .ve io be a pub.iic ,gymnasium. Tne city i' willing to.
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BRIDGES 07ER THE i IAriI RIVER AT TWELFTH STREET AND AT AVENUE D
4r. Ash,
of Harrington, Howard and Ash, reported
Contract Lo. 1, Virginia
Item No.
Bridge & Iron Co.
1, 430,885.60
2, 2,649.65
3, 1,892.40
4, 4,956.00
5, 845.00
6, 5,924.00
47,152.65
..liwaukee bridge Co.
1, 36,714.50
2, 2,708.75
3, 2,905.00
4, 735.00
5, 875.00
6, 7,366.
57,919.25
Contract o. 2, Mialand Bridge Co. 70,644.75
u.P.Sulaivan (Alt) 70,094.25
,:ontra.;t 1.o. 3, .,.iurand Bridge Co 64,892.50
s.P.Sulaivan (Alt) 64,294.75
iiLi .yer a Sperring, ;'o. 1, 59,267.72
(:e.luct ,5,OCO.if 2, 68,268.55
a'.ar'aed rtrauas aea:rl) 3, 62,145.35
01 o. ...luii..rd ;.l:n Virginia,
1, Va.
2,
Cont. :;o. 1,)
3 "
1,
u,
3,
4,
5,
6,
47,152.65
70,644.75
64,892.50
182,6E9.90
40,121.00
5,975.01
2,295.78
6,447.00
807.50 deuuot
11,110.00
66,756.29
his tabulation of tntue
i�f luland
9,000.00
G. P. Sullivan & Co.
Alternate 450,751.
bids as follows:
Bridge Co. Hiliyer & Sperring
36563.10
3369.30
1895.72
4674.60
675.00
12130.'00
-0534-ae,vi2
Hiliyer & Sperring, 468,268.55
" 62,145.35
G. P. Sullivan, No. 1, 50,751.00
2, 70,094.25
,Sherzer design) 3, 64,294.75
Comb. Va. with i;i.ilyer & Sperring,
(Ledwt .1i5,000 as 1, 47,152.65
agreement) 2, 58,268.55
3, 62,145.35
177,566.55
,per
Hackedorn Cont. Co. D, 90,440.50
12th,86,538.25
176,978.75
If awdrded both,
3_, 840. 00
173,138.75
_r. LZwiston: i',:oulu like to ask ,r. Ash whether the total of $172,000. of the combined
oiu of 3: errinL; and toe Virginia people, includes any overhead?
r. Ash: This ie the contractor's coat and to teat total will have to be added the overhead.
rile Cuuir.ecrin;; fees are 5;n and the uontingeneies are supposedly in the contractor's prices
1 m,ul,. say that und_r favorable conditions of foundation oontingancies shoulu not
exit an,1 none ul: exist except unfavorable foundation conditions exist. For everythiz
uuove thh o,ater there ue no contingenoies for all quantities are aouurately figure
i'or cor.atruutiun below .he water there is an element of insecurity for which I would thin
two or three 1,e. vent of t,.e bia price would take ogre of. I would say about $185,000 as
toe: ,- ao.Lite total coat of tn'_ construction including temporary crossings at both bridges
i4 thh tit and Avenue L)
r. rol.fn: +n;:.t ••ou.J.d that coot be.
..r. Aan: it represents (temporary crossings) about $5,000 on the two bridges and the
reinforced haLnl rail represents about .5,000.
r. itoi fh: Could that be put in later?
. r. Aai,: Ye, air, the hand rail could be put there at any time. I understand the
;resent bri..gaa are lighter by hanging lights and the lights could be installed later.
syster.: as bit oy H1' lyer and 8terring represents 43,00Q. for.one bri ge and
• :,SCO. fur trJ:, other, making a total of #6,900.; and a portion pnnthe imot ano or
t_.e lutr. Street bridge, the design calls for a reinforoed oonoret6 wa14. to .austt ,4,n the
fliw.vyxviSJiJ ::t_q., '4,. I.=.i:iK .u' Esc.u.ry.n: i.,, .Y,"�•
A`2
Adjourned meting, February 18, 1916.
street and there'is nothing at the north side at the weet:etd to preVeht alluw�ng-'°
the fill to take its natural slope, and I would say 43,000. could be saved there.
rir. Raeeton: We know that prices have aavenoed materially since your estimate,- in
your jud.ruent, is the ittorease a fair one, over your estimate? You estimated the
cost at .450,000. and this is more than 4180,000. Are you wI'lling to state that
the contractors are justified in bidding that cf.fferenoe?
,.,r. Aeh: The result of tee bide as they have oome in is somewhat of a surprise. The
:'a. i3iiee e ,a lrun bid is about whet was expected, but the substructure and the
reinfuroda uonarete are higher, ehieh is due tp certain conditions whioh I did not
know about. The price of cement in ,.:iaei is higher than 1 thought. We get cement saw.
Kansas City et pr_sent at 96e and I understand here it will cost about 42.45 per
carrel. Anotii r element thet has entered into the bidding that in our judgment,
which a.y a rule an engineer mey be at fault,- there has been an expressed fear of
conditions that may be found in the river. Or..inarily the substructure is not
difficult out 1 unu.tretenu this rock is sometimes underlaid with sand and that leer
nes affected tee bius. The bid, however, is so arranged that that hazard should be
email udeauau ti,.: contra;tor has allowed stipulated prices for what goes into the
etiueture. To sure up, from what I know of the situation, I a,:, willing, and I think
1 ae right in seyine that under normal conditions the briugee should be let for. 1 es
money, but un.:.. r peeeen t conditions I believe if let and built aoeoruing, to riusign
ttrd l;rio s are reaaonaole.
,,.r. Hiehieyi an: I unueretr..nd tr,ere 16 e system of counterweights anu for this
brie e you have thee under. If they are put above ouid it save any moeny?
..:r. Aah: Yee, air, it is sees ible btu,. I wouie not auviee wnat is termed a threueh
ori.xee but a deck oridge because the reedit is that an ordinary person will not knav
wnen they are passing over the bridge, from regular street construction,- you have
the sidewalk anu curbs just as on the street, which auas very much to the appearance
and we have one to ooneiderable.trouble eo make a design of that type.
_r. Hi`hiey:uan: It would cave a great ;teal to put the weights on top.
_..r. Ash: It is poeeible to ori,age of through type for 415,000 less•at eaoh bridge -
lea, than the type eub:aitted.
.,r. :ieley..,an: I nave seen one bridge tnet way and it looks very well.
•.r. Ash: I have never seen a through bridge that I thought comparable to the deck
structure and ey reeo,:...enda.ion would be, from what I have seen in your city
in the way of iraprovexente, strongly against thraaeh bridge construction. I thine if
,it le guilt you woul..r r.:;ert it oecsuse I know the through structure is being avoidee
rherever puseiole.
.r. a. fn: 1 uneeretanu these things yuu say could be owitted, could be put in later?
.r. Aan: Yee, sir, everything I have .teeo;u.,,ended oan oe omitted without detriment
or detracting from the utility of the structure - the heind rail can be replaced by
a cheaper.
r. homfh: v.e have an issue of ,.150,000 bone and the county has oalled an issue of
,,50,000. ee .,,.ads omit these things and if the oounty issue carries we could put
most of the in. We wou.1i nave to omit them at first and perhaps the contractors
e uie be willing to let tneir bids stand as we are depending upon the oounty to
furnish ',50,000. and it would take about 80,000 to complete these and leave about
-45,000 for Avenue G. That is the only way we can finanoe it.
r. As.,: It r.,ay not be .:racticable to work out the matter without providing for
traffic.
_r. alatun: If .e close up for four rcrontha we will never live to tell the tale.
r. i..ekiey: The ;;oat for e ovidine for traffio is w7720. for 12th St. and t.4400. fcr
"venue L.
..r. nalaton: 7.uu'la tnere be any salvage to the city?
.r. Aan. The eontraotor has bid so much and the salvage would belong to the oontraet
_r. i.alaton: That le nearly ,roube the poet su'rnitted to us.
..r. Ash: It is nearly do -le the coat submitted by other contractors. We have bids
aua:..itte,: by one contractor for some 0000. instead of 7O00.
r. ii . nieyeen: How would it do to put a temporary structure over Avenue G?
r. Aen: As e have vie•,eu the two oroeeings, my suggestion would be for a temporary
orieee for feet paeeeneere,- b700 or ;800z would be ample. The whole matter of main-
tainin_ traffic is eor„et.,ine i know nothing about - you will have to aeoide that.
.r. ;,orufe : ill both oriuges be down at the same t ale?
r. Aee: contract ::o. 1 cells for the two simultaneously. The oontraotor is free to.
have both at one time or one after she other. The contrast gives him that right
oeceuse provision is r„ade in the bid for traffic.
ee have complete d..ta on an alternate plan which ,r,r. Ash says he oan
not reeou,:..end because he gas not had time to check it. We have bean in the oonorete
orieee ;;a.:.e for twenty years and have built twenty five or thirty of the bast bridge;
in the United States. We are wining ,to submit our plans to any engineer in the
Country v,no is disinterested and who is recognized as an authority on oonorete
uriu;ee ar,u guarantee our design to meet his approval. We will agree to make any
ellanees in the aeaign that he says are necessary. We have a bid that, will give you as
outs oriaees completed °ridge ready for travel, with the exception of the epproaohea
e ineiude ]a:npe, rail and everything of that kind and with the exception of removaAg
trill old ori.ige and taking care of traffic, and if you oan take pare of tbeae fed;,
we oen ive you oompleted bridges with hand rails, lamps, eto. comp)e'ire.for $150e
or 'less. V e put up eith our bridges a surety company bond fqr 'the f411 4044'
contract, guaranteeing there free from defeats et 400400 W9P4a z00, 9T
five years, which we consider a guarantee of ouTico04
and lowest bid and that it should,be ivep.APnB:4e
L.
•ourned meeting, February is; .,916.
Bale span is the Soherzer rolling lift, whioh most engineers consider the best in the
obuntry, and it oovers all patent rights, eto. We think we will give you the most for
your money and..,3zuaxt te.e _ speedy work and everything first olase and w1k1 nut. un a five
years bond it ,,
the contrao4
Hillyer & Sper
completed etiU
bids to Basctil
submitted a ao
Aah : I thi
thuu;;ht was or
po..tion as des
plans, but we
atrrertisement s
council choss
council can .a
that deaigns s
H. & S. Were y
ir. Aah: Yea,
should follow
tiro idea to co:
,r. .ston: 1
.r. Ha.;xedorn:
presumes that
say t.1ey ill i
is the tabulat
he .ouia make.
r. Ash: ..r. Hi
the letter fro;
,,5,000. from ti
the aombinatior
consider that .
a me.t..el for
council does n<
exception, is 1
,5,000 from thi
3perr
out oecauae we
on t:.,; other t3
ao t:rai
..r. ;a kiey: Wi
of :-.i.r.er an..
ana Sper in: •ve
it is plain tha
state,.
.r. ::ackedorn:
has u..en oonsi..
itself. ..r. Ae
..;;st
a::u yourself oc
f lr.0 Lu; ".rat c
of .:.aintenanoe
weJ.a to conaile
very vltai fact
.....vanta es ::'hic
vh,ir;..an ::efty:
_.r. Aan: 1 tnir
r iackedorn :
any penalty if
hi n for k.ainta
foot passer. -ere
i orceu u
—oved uy o.
our en ineer ue
ce i eturne.. to
.r. v,harton: i
r, nalston: 1
.r. ,flarton: i
wants to .;neck up
FI? )L'J T I ON P?C. 399
T�'".L'A°, ''r, September _`_, 1915, an election was held in the
City of .iami, Floriia, for the purpose of voting upon an issue of
';..:5, J0O. 'ponds, t:,e proceeds to be used for the purpose of constructing
br1i e in swirl city a.cros:r the .ii..mi River, at Avenue G` and
AZ, At said election the number of votes cast in favor of
a..il ieaue of ;25,000 bonds was in the majority and the said bonds have
beer. duly executed in accordance with the Charter of said City; and
WrErrAZ, Section 25 of the City Charter of said oity vests in the
cit coancii of the :its' of ?•iami the power to construct brides; and.
TF.YG , .it is the aenee of the City Council of said city that
;riJ je be . onst.r zcted ove::• the loam :'aver at Avenue G, in the City of
'o"', .._ .'r, IT r7-^CL717:^ ?Y TH7 :ITY COU.;OIL OF THE CITY OF
:?, 'TA:
3e3tion 1: That the War r-epu.rtrnent, U. S. A. be and is hereby
•,,a_:,3ted to to the oity of .iiarni, Florida, a permit for the
.:onetxuction of a bri::L;e over the hiver at Avenue G, in said
;1ty, in a, , ora-Ance .vi ;h the plans and specifications prepared. by
:._rrin_ ion, i:ow..rd anw Ash, oneultinz EnLineers, Kansas City, Missouri,
Passe., and ,.,,J ted this 18th day of February 1916.
.;tt,:st.
A true copy:
Ci jry Clerk.
City Clark.
Caspar Hefty,
President City Council
r, hoafh: Vou11 this motion be in .ine with your desires?
..r. Ash: 'V.e leave '.ire council with all the liberty you please, but it is perfeptly
satiafaccury to one that as many of these bide be retained• ae you desire. My advise is
t.,at the best thin, to ao is to ar:i the contract to the combination, Virginia Bridge
3:.0 iron 3o. ar.., Hillyer & Sparring, but Iwant at least ten days to report on what we
think of t:ie ue i i;n aub...itte i by Haoke1orn. Thei . bid, even if a favorable report is se
is hi,her than the combination spoken of. I would suggest that their bid be retained,
however, until uefinite arro.nge.:.ents are worked out with Hillyer & 8perring in order.
that you may have a uefinite •;ontract for prooee<iing with oonstruotion. 1f it was
referred to ma to ae.;iie; now 1 would award the contract to Virginia Bridge & /r9n Co.
and i illy er & Sperrin&.
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Ba3da1e span is the Soherzex rolling lift, which most engineers conei,dot the beet in the
obuntry, and it covers all patent rights, etc. We think we will give you the most for
your money and guarantee speedy work and everything first class and w#l11 put up a five
years bond in a w good bonding company, guaranteeing the work for the full' amount of
the oontraot.
Hiliyer & Sperring's representative: I would like to ask Mr. Ash if alternate bids on
completed structures were contemplated. Do your specifications not limit your
bids to Bascule? That ie the way we read the epefifioations and I understand Haokedorn
submitted a complete new alternate design.
Aah: I think that matter was oared fur in the advertiser:,ent for this work. Our
thought was originally, that the proposition was to receive bids for the oonorete
potion as deaigned by Harrington, Howard & Ash, with alternate design for alternate
plans, but we didn't wish to hamper the submission of any bid and tried to make the
Wvertisement so plain and so olear that if any one chose to submit alternate plans and
council chose to ooneider them, we were perfectly willing that it should be done and
ceunoil can .eoi;ie that themselves. So far as we are oonoerned, we are perfectly willin
that designs eheuld be submitted on both the movable and oonorete spans.
H. & S. Were your epe cifieatione definite on that?
er. Ash: Yea, sir. If alternate designs were submitted it was olear that the stresses C
should fellow oertain deaign set forth. I believe the advertisement went out conveying
the idea to contra tors at large that any deaign could be submitted.
H. We didn't get that impression.
,..r. ....laton: ',ir. Haokedorn, you say you have the best bid but not the lowest bid?
..r. Haokedorn: We have the lowest bid beoause in making his oaloulations Ar. Ash
presumes that Hillyer & Sperring will make the 45,000. deduction, which they don't
say tney will do. You will find our bid the lowest total you have submitted. That
ie the tabulation ...r. Ash gave us and told us we were 49,000 lowerthan any combination
he could make.
,..r. Aeh: ..ir. Haokedorn is mistaken in one thing. I put it as clearly as I oould, that
the latter from Hillyer d Sperring states that they will allow the subtraction of
•,5,000. from tneir bid if the Strauss bascule is used. Whether they will do that with
the combination with the Virginia Bridge & Iron Co. and whether council wants to
oenaiuer that I won't know. I felt it my duty to put before you that condition ana.it i
a mattee for y.0 to agree upon. I think both Messrs. Hiller and Sperring are here and if
oouncil does not see fit to take advantage of that the Haokedorn figure, with this
exception, is the lowest submitted. If this offer of Hilleyer & Sparring to subtract
„5,000 from the total of the bridges holds good, then it is some hundred lower.
eieeyer 3perline: Our offer was not because we were favorable to the Strauss bascule
uat oecauae we had a lower price than on the other oridge. The city has a lower price
on tee other type than we have, which will about equal our price on the Strauss
bri-ee, so taut it is nothing to us which type is used. It is nothing out of our pocket.
..r. eaokiey: When .r. Haokedorn reoeive.i the tabulation, we had not made the combination
of ::ii .er anu Sparring With Va. Bri..:e x Iron Co. :::r. Ash held that the bid of Hillyer
end Sper in, wae such that they could not co.abine with any other company on No. 1, but
it is plain that their ,ontraet 2 and 3 is independent anu can be combined. It is
ee.;ariy stated -beet the city racy make any combination it may see fit to its advantage.
..r. i:aekeiorn: Another feature enters into thie. So far only the matter of first cost
has o en considered and it seene mother question to be considered is the design
itself. ..r. Ash states tnat the 3oherzer bridge is considered by engineers to be the
Bost deign. The Strauss ie another type very widely used and we think your engineers
a::d yeareeef oould 1oo4 into that side of the question and the only way to do that is to
find out :.flat bri_gee have oean built an.. what service they have given. Also the matter
of .,,a.intenanee comes in, that cost will go on as long as the briuge lasts and it would
oil to eonai.ier te:_t feature as wallas buying anything else; the question of upkeep is a
very vital factor. I Snail be `lad to take upeeith your engineers the mechanical
aeventeeea which our deaign possesses.
enaira.an leefty: Valet le the difference in time of completion?
.r. Aah: I think Hilayer ,& Sperring call for completion in eleven months and
_r Haokedorn calls for twelve months; the Va. Bridge & Iron Co. whose combination
•..;tn :i. yer e Sperring ie discua•aed, has rromised nine months but do not agree to
eny penalty if this time is exceeded. It is unfortunate that the oity must pay 80
hi:n for maintaining traffic. It seems that Avenue D could be handled by taking care of
feet paaseneers, out at .12th Street the matter of taking care of the street oars is
ai vet :oroed upon you.
.coved by u. kaleton, seoonded by e. F. Filer, that the low bids as recommended by
oar .n ineCr be retained for further consideration and the cheoks of the other bid..ers
oe returned to them.
.r. eharton: I a;i, up in the air about this thing. What is the matter with holding them a
...r. Ralston: 1 don't sere to `o against the engineer's recommendation.
..r. Wharton: 1 don't see where he has recorn;r.ended anything. There are several things he
wants to eheea up
,r. no,:.fh: Woule this motion 'oe in line with your desires?
..r. Aah: V.e leave tee council with all the liberty you please, but it is perfectly
satisfactory to roe that as many of these bide be retained as you desire. My advise is
teat the beet thing to do is to award the contract to the combination, Virginia Bridge
see Iron Co. an.. Hillyer & Sperring, but I..want at least ten days to report on what we
think of the deaign sub.:.itted by Haokedorn. Theie bid, even if a favorable report is se
1a hither than the .;om'oination spoken of. I would suggest that their bidbe retained,
however, until definite arranges ents are worked out with Hillyer & Sperring in order
tact you may have a definite oontraot for proceeding with construction. If it was
referred to me to ee.:iee now I would award the contract to Virginia Bridge & Iron C1o.
Lna i;iliyer & Sperring.
:car. Haokedorn: It is perfectly satisfactory to us f 9,
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Mr. Wharton: Suppose L• ::,.:.,:..a ;�;.. _: e
you release all but ape -bid' and �.et��h't�"�ct3l��acti, we b.es�iiot
enough money to do the work and when you go to eliminate
,fir. Romfh: (Interrupting) We have if we get the 450,000. from the county.
.4r. Wharton: I think it would be well to hold all bids.
dr. Ash: The matter coming to our mind is what the effect of elimination of certain
parts would be and it so happens that the parts that would be eliminated with the
Hillyer & Sperring bid are the parts that are unusually high in the bidding, so that
there is not a bid submitted that will save the same amount of money that will be
saved with the Hillyer & Sparring bid.
Jr. Highleyrnan: I think it would be best to hold them all. I have not bean able to giasp
the whole thing and would like to know a little more.
-roved by C. F. Filer, ee:onded by L. T. Highleyman that all bids be held for further
coneiaeration and until such time as the engineer has opportunity to check
them over thoroughly. Motion carried.
Mr. Romfh: I am perfectly willing to mote on :.r. Ralston's motion as we will gain nothing
by waiting.
-zr. Ash. You still have a lower bid than the Haekedorn if the combination bid is
a.;.eptea subja.t to the 45,000 subtraction. I would re.ommend the ao eptanoe of the
Hillyer & Sperring bid, provided you get the 454,000. off.
r. Romfh: They could reduce that to writing as they have praotical..y said that was
ar,reeable.
The following written agreement was presented at this time by Hillyer & Sparring:
";Miami, Florida, Feb. 18, 1916.
To the Hon. City Council,
_,:iami, Florida.
�.;rentlamen:
It is herooy epe„ifically agreed that if contracts No. 2 and 3 are
awarded to our company, the 45,000. mentioned in the letter which ac.:ompanied our
bid for the eonst _ action of bridges across the Miami River, in Miami, Florida, will be
eubtra tei from the aggregate total of these t»o contracts.
It is a..eo agreed that au�h portions of the bridges as council may direct may'ee
omitted from theae strdeturbs without in any way invalidating the contracts or
.;ranging the unit prices sat forth in tno bids.
Very reepeoyfaily,
Hillyer & Sperring Co.
By Chas. E. Hillyer,
Prest.
.r. Ash: When that agreJnI;nis ::.sae and I knew at this time that the Haok'Bdorn
Jonatruction was all ri,ht, I Wouiu still recommend the bid of Hiliyer & Sparring,
that wouli oe the sane situation two weeks from now.
.r. Haoke..orn: if you are guing to eliminate all this stuff, you should allow us to
.o th s`.,..,c thing, and, we wouiu like to have our bid checked. 0ur bid will be away low
than.
r. .ia:kiey: The Hillyer & Sparring bid, with the Va. Bridge & Iron Go. is lower.
3n :notion .uly .wade and ca rieu, eouneil adjourned until 7 30 P.M. February 24, 1916.
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