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'Chairman called upea to sneer llyoe to read his report upon p&vtnl
"aeeting on the 20th inst. together with his tabulatiel of the bids
! ;:read Otis report as follows:
"Mints, Florida, August 84th,
'"To the Honorable Mayor and City 0ouaoil of
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GNntleasn:
Attached hereto I submit the tabulated bids received.on paving an4 s
oonstruotion and oasts s received on August 80th.
The bids particularly those on the paring, show that the oapetitioo wki
There were file bids received en Asphaltic oonorete pavement, two en,Wood bloat dais:
:bitulithio and one on brick. It will be noted that the bids reotived are aaah lams
those paid on the paving last winter.
;n the ohoioe of a material with which to pave your streets there is ouch a .
difference in the bids on these different materials that it is easy to make a oho od;
lowest prioed is asphaltic concrete and the next higher is bitulithio at an oddities:a
cost of about $0.70 per square yard; the next higher is wood block at an additional Oast
of about $0.91! per square yard. These great differenoes in oost are largely caused,
the faot that more of the materials must be shipped In for these last two pavement,
for asphaltio concrete and such differenoes will be largely reduced with the advent of
deep water to Miami. For the present however there is such a differenos in cost that
I would rsoommend that oounoil ssleot asphaltic concrete as the material with whioh to
pave the streets unless the property owners along some street or streets should.iadioate
a very strong prefersnce for sums other material.
The oity reserved the right to award the contract for the storm sewers sate
-ly from the paving so that,if two or more contracts were awarded for paving, the city
oould take the lowest bid on sewers and furthermore so that parties who might not have
.paving equipment could bid on the sewers and thus enable the oity to secure stronger
competition. Only two bids however, were received on these sewers diftering by more than'
$18,000; the lower'ons is a very fair bid and it is not likely that the city could
secure a lower prioe by re3eoting the bide and readvsrtising. I would therefore rsoomnrad
that the bid of the Southern Asphalt and Construction Co., for sewers be aooeptcd.,
The lowest bidder on asphalt concrete pavement is F. G. Proudfoot, he proposes;;
to use Mexican asphalt; the next lowest bidder is the Southern Asphalt and Construotion
Co., who propose to use Bermudas Asphalt; the differe:noe between to two bids amounts to
about $5.00 per lot of fifty front feet. It was not anticipated that any paving oontraot
or would be required to do the sewer work, if they were not also awarded the paving
oontraot. I would therefore suggest that, in.oase Asphaltio oonorete pavement is selected,:
'a part ofthe paving contract be awarded to the Southern Asphalt and Construction 0o., and
part to F. G. Proudfoot.
I would again oall,attention of council to the fact that one of tbssi ooipanieo
proposes to use rsfinid Mexican asphalt and the other oo pany Bermudas Lake asphalt, both
to comply with the same speoifioations, it was formerly believed that good pavements could';
only be laid with the so called natural lake asphalts but now all of the larger oi,tiss
and those of the smaller ones who have made a study of bituminous pav rig are admitt"
both asphalts on an equal basis. I therefore recommend that both asphalts be so.reoe3,ped
here. Reepeotfully submitted,
(Signed) B. H. ELYSE,
Engineer."
"Bids received on Paving at Miami, Pia. August 20th, 1914.
ASPHALTIC OONORETE
F. G. Proudfoot,
Southern Asphalt and Construction Company,
Dunn and La land• Bros.
Southern Paving and Oonatruotion Company,
West Construction Company,
WOOD BLOOI
F. 0. Proudfoot,
Southern Paving & Construction Co.
BITULITHIO
Atlantic Bitulithio 0ompanr,
BRIM
Southern Paving & 0pnetruotion Co.
SEWERS
Southern Asphalt & Construction Co.
Biscayne Construotion Co.
CASTINGS.
Florida Machine Works,
C. H. Lyoe,
Biscayne Corstruotios oq
$116,874.50
120,233.60
180,, 889.00
184,867.59
188,819.00
with mortar cushion with sand o
and sand filler and asphal
$178,424.5o $178,484.
178,167.50 186,517.50
160,880,00
188,567.50
34,795.78
43, 588.54
554.40
770.00
Mari Me . 0. Balkh and seeended�► H. G.. st that. V 1p**t :e1 ao MSi *3 i.
With t elation of" the bide be reo•ive& and copied into the atnutes. *Ouch 000
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the Chairman then invited representatives of •the paving lee jpxisent 'to r$
council briefly with regard to their prGposale.
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Sr. F. G. Proudfoot stated that he did not understand. it wet neoessary.to bid on the Hwy*
in order to were the paving, therefore, he had made no bid qn the sewer Mork; that Imo
had made the low bid on the paving and if oenatraot was awarded : bia he toot no mistake
would be made. In reply to an inquiry, Mr. ?roudfoot stated that be wound take n dontt A
based on 20,000 to 25,000 yards.
Representative of the Southern Asphalt and Paving Co., stated that he bad ta3r*d to
a majority of oounoil in person; that his oov sn Let laid paving in the.olt7 and be
understood it was satisfactory in every way • that their ±id was based on natural lake
asphalt, the best to be had; also, as statue by Engineer Ilya*. they bad We &bid on
the sewers but it was not their intention to do so. That they would make the cabs prtoi
on a portion of the paving.
Representative of the Atlantio Hitulithio 0o., addressed oounoil, ongeini�zgg the marineri4
whiohrit. is prepared, its oomponent parts; that it had been laid in ever '100 oities
and given entire setisfaotion; that in considering the ditferenoe in ooi-t,,this should be
done on a basis of the ultimate and not the first cost.
No other representatives of Paving Companies being present, chatrman invited any oitiasa
present to express his views.
Mr. W. F. Miller stated that while in Philadelphia recently he had noted repairs on
a very large scale being made in the asphalt streets and was informed that this was due
to the oil dripping from automobiles parked along •uoh streets, and speaking for himself
and others on 9th Street they would like to have a paving that oil would not affect.
Mr. Witbhell stated that this oondition obtained on llth Street, Miami; that he knew of
wood blook paving having been in service, for several years.
Mr. W P. Smith stated that he did not think he oared to have anything but natural lake
asphalt in front of his property; ghat he did not like wood blook because of the
filler exuding; that he had seen a number of telegrams from•people who Should know,
stating that there was no comparison between natural lake and the other asphalt; also,
that he had filed a number of petitions from oitisene to this effeot.
Mr. A. J. Rose stated that he was very much in favor of natural lake asphalt,- that he
would be compelled to pay.for 150ft. of paving and was willing to stand the additional
cost; that the natural lake asphalt now on the streets was satisfactory to him and seemed
to have been well laid. That he had noticed the oondition on llth Street but thought
that not due to the asphalt but to people abusing the paving, whioh ought to be prohibited.
That he thought all the property owners on his blook wanted the natural lake asphalt,
and that wood blook was out of the question.
Mr. C. A. Muller, representing his Father, proprietor of the San Carlos Hotel, and
the Bay Bisoayne Company, stated that he preferred natural lake asphalt; that his
opinion the oondition of llth Street oould not be held against the paving oompany as it
did not appear that proper time was allowed the paving to set before the street was
opened for the garage on llth Street near Avenue 0.
Mr. L. B. Manley, stated that he was representirg the Wood Blook Co., and the Standard 011
Co., and expressed the opinion that there is no more permanent paving than wood blook;
that it had been selected for the heavy Atraffio streets here last winter and proven its
worth; that if it was decided to pave with asphaltio concrete, he would like to hear
from those present what knowledge they had of lake and Aztec *am asphalt.
(Messrs Rose and Smith replied that they knew nothing of asphalt except what they had
observed on the streets of Miami)
Mx. Manley oontinued: the city has employed an engineer to advise you on these matters
and he tells you that one is as good as the other - it is a question of pries. Mr. •
Proudfoot has put in his bid, the speoifioations are the same as those in all large
oities where all kinds of pavements have been tried out and ifyou are going to pave with
asphalt you will o.:rtainly do well to save the property owners 45.00 per lot.
Mr. Muller. I know nothing of asphalt, but we have compared it with wood bloc* and I wish
we had the asphalt instead of wood blook.
Councilman Conrad: I believe that I have done a little more than anyother oounoilautn in
regard to paving, of oourse I am not an expert; I have looked into the merits of natural
lake asphalt and have here a great many telegrams from gentlemen who should oertainly
know the differenoe between the two kinds, and would like for anyone interested to
examine the telegrams and I also wish to have these messages reoorded in the minutes of
the oounoil. The only object I have, from what I have learned from experienced men, is
to do what is best for this city. In the matter of a few 'Dents or 40# I would still say
natural lake is the bast regardless of what anyone else says. I don't say anything against
Bitulithio but in my opinion natural lake asphalt will.answer our purpose. I don't
believe we should put in something one place and another thing at another plaos, and we
have a good bid on natural lake. The telegrams referred to are as follows:
'Independence, Mo. Aug. 44, 14.
J. A. Conrad, Miami, Fla.
Use Bermudas by all means,
(Signed) H. H. Pendleton
City bigineer.0
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J. A. bonrad, Street COmMitteelan,.
)nisei, Fla.
Rare had fifteen years experience with aspths1t ,01,4000040104,
i eoonomioal is Bermudee. Buy the bests
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"J. A. Conrad,
Miami, no,
Recommend Bermudez asphalt at the advanced
"J. A. Conrad, Street Committeeman,
Miami, Fla.
Personally I Would oansider the Bermades bid at ten bents per yard marethe best,b 4.
(Signed) p: 11;; Weaver, b$ty E g s*l•
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".Haaai1to4,,. Chi., Aug. 21444.
"Jacksonville, .Aug
0J. A. Conrad,
Street 0omaaitteeman, Miami , Fla. .
Am not familiar with your sppeoifioations therefore unable to gigs opinion but aim general
proposition ask you to reooileot our oonvsrsation of recent date on same subject.
(Signed) L. D. Smoot."
"Elkhart, Ind. Aug 32.14.
"J. A. Conrad, Street Committeeman,
Miami, Fla.
Experience tells me that Bermudez ten oente higher is the better bid Bermudas satisfaotoxy
when others failed in Elkhart."
(Signed) A. M. Smith."
"Durant, Ole ;is. Aug 22-14.
"J. A. Conrad,
Miami,.Fia.
In your latitude I regard Bermudas asphalt best bid."
(Signed) N. P. Danfora..'
"Bradsntown, Fla. Aug 22-14.
"J. A. Conrad,
Miami, Fla.
Eight years praotioal experience all kinds asphalt paving, Bermudez or Trinidad only
considered at any prioe. Street paving here speaks for itself.
(Signed) S. 0. Corwin,
Com. Public Works,"
"Pulaski, Tenn. Aug 22-14.
"J. A. Conrad,
Street Committeeman,
Miaa9i, Fla.
Recommend Bermudez beoause ten oents yard will not pay difference in cost of upkeep by
one half. After long experience I alwaya.apecify natural lake asphalt because it
undoubtedly stands up under the most trying conditions."
(Signed) James William Norton,
City Engineer."
A representative of the United States Aspahlt Co. (Standard Oil Co.) of New York, next
addressed oounoil, advising that the government of the City of Washington, D. C. alter
a thorough examination by the engineers of the District of Columbia, 4eoided upon Aztec
asphalt, and oalled attention to the tact that they had the entire faoiltties of the
national government at their disposal for making tests, and analysis, and that his
company had boon awarded a oontraot that would require a period of two years to complete
involving an expenditure of $700,000; That Asteo is used in Philadelphia, New York,
Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Raleigh and numerous other cities. That in New York
no dietinotion is meads between Aztecs and natural lake that they reosntlyhad a oontraot
in New York on 5th Avenue between 25th and 34th Streets, passing in front of the Waldorf-
Astoria; that traffio over that district is as heavy as there is in the world.
Representative of the Southern Paving & 0ontruotion 0o., stated that his company bad many
million yards of natural lake on streets, that it had been thoroughly tested, twenty to
thirty five years, had proven its merit and that the refined asphalt was yet to be tried
out.
Counoilman :Alston stated that he preferred wood block or Bitulithio and would be glad
to pay the difference in oost as he oonstdered the first cost only a emall,itsa as
oo spared to the ultimate oost ,- maintsnanoe been* flash oonsidaration; that he bad 10
knowledge of asphalt, that be was oonvinoed of Mr. Conrsd!s ainosrity, but thought olo4p04
should be guided by It gi10er tlyoe who stated there was no difterenos £n the. as�`�•�
Cou no ilnen Conrad stated that he did not think anyone would. tak.
price as the naturallake ssplan7tit as to lltb .htsemt►, M Mviaed that
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feet the good live' asphatlt will give Utter ked1. traffte, . it it
nor blown awry in dust, nor is. t basin wen qyt also thatthe Ma wrr bid
hiattelf as being in favor Of natural lake ssphalt,
Councilman YoDona].d asked $fgi$eer Wee if the bowl* of all Street Wing %Q ' fir
the same and on being intorse4 by Mr. RZyoo that the base it the wawa., 4 inches of
counts, Mr. MODdnald requested the aving men present toe the method of
oorpleting the paving fro* the oaaorete up, and each represenvq aunt into
details for his produot.
Moved by H. G. Ralston and ssoonded.by J. A. Conrad that the mot#ttAg be adrnM
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until a o'olook P...Tuesday, August 25th, at which time oounoii , should Meet in
exeoutive session for final action in "warding the contracts. Motion oarried.
Chairman stated that hp noticed a number of people from ?th Street in the AU440044
and would like to hear from them.
Mr. C. J. Rose spoke, explaining that ?th Street Was very muoh ooragested p
had any particular attention, was a main thoroughfare from the pity to the 0o0*r7,
with the best railroad crossing in the pity, there being but ens traa,ok• that a
number of oitisens had signed a petition for paving and that he would like aetsiett000
council in the matter.
Mr. English addressed oounoil, saying that ?th Street was badly in a$d of psving•at..
least as far as Avenue J and would like to see it laid with wood blooke
Mr. Erickson spoke in favor of paving 7th Street and Avenue 0; that they wanted the paving
of ?th Street to extend beyand:the railroad, the property holders being willing to pally
for it. In reply to inquiry from Chairman stated that sidewalks had not been build be osuse
grades had not been furnished. Also, that he and others would like to know why it is
that 7th and Avenue G had not been paved.
Councilman Romfh explained that the matter of drainage in that seotion was a most.
difficult one; that the Streets bad been inoluded in the present paving district but
owing to the heavy expense of providing a drain down loth Street to Avenue X Mr.
Klyoe had undertaken to revise the plans on a more soonomical basis, which work would
be completed long before the pavinp under disoussion was completed.
Engineer Klyoe stated that the plane would be complete within thirty days.
Moved by H. G. Ralston and eeoonded by J. A. McDonald that the matter of inoludi*g.7th
and Avenue G in the present paving district be referred to a committee composed of
Councilmen MoDonald, and Romfh; and Engineer Klyoe. Motion carried.
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Attorney Taylor addressed oounoil, requesting that a fine of 1150.00 imposed by the
municipal judge upon a negro by name Williams, for selling liquor, be remitted, as in
his opinion the oity attorney would advise that the munioipal judge had no authority to
imposes' fine forsuch an offense at the time.
Moved by J. A. Conrad and seoonded by H. G. Ralston that request to remitfine of.$50.00
imposed upon the negro Williams, be referred to the oity attorney to report to co roil
at next meeting. Motion oarried.
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Mr. Miller again addressed council, asking if it would be possible to have 9th Street
from Avenue D west paved with wood blooks provided it was deoided,to use soaneother
material on that portion of 9th St east of Avenue D., and chairman replied that it
could be dons upon proper request from the property owners.
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Councilman J. A. Conrad introduoed the following ordinance;:
ORMANCE M0; 15)
AN ORDINANCE TO SECURE THE REMOVAL AND RELOCATION OF CERTAIN RAILROAD
OPERATIONS AND FACILITIES OF THE FLORIDA EAST COAST RAILWAY OCit,PANT
WITHIN THE CITY OF MIAMI; PROVIDING FOR THE OPENING OF ELEVENTH STREET
UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS; AND PROVIDING FOR STREET CROSSINGS OVER THE
TRACKS OF SAID RAILWAY COMPANY OVER THE TRACKS OF SAID RAILWAY COMPANY
NORTH OF JOHNSON STREET.
Moved by C. F. Filer and seoondsd by J. A. McDonald that Ordinance No. 153 be given
first reading and read in full. Motion oarried. The ordinaarioe was read in full.
Moved by J. A. McDonald and seconded by E. C. Rough that Ordinance No. 153 be given
second reading and read by title only. Motion oarried. The ordinate" was read by title
only.
During a general discussion of the ordinance by council, City Attorney Ross called
attention to several provisions of the same, vise That no street crossings could be
opened aerosol the switohing lead and that from his reading of the ordinance euoh
switching lead might extend oonsidsrable distanoe south of Johnson Street and
a ooneiderable distanoe north of the road crossing at Buena Vista, which would leave
an unreasonably long territory without a crossing; also that under the provisions Of
the ordinanoe Eleventh Street, if opened across the tracks, could be blocked for a.
period of twenty minutes and sited numerous cities in several states wherein the
limit of time a street might be blocked was 3 to 5 minutes; also that the width of 30ft.
epeoified in the ordinance, of any crossing to be opened over the traoks,waas very
l ..t*i'ted and would rake a street orossing of little servioe after providing for sidewalk,.
by J. A. McDonald and ssoondsd by E. C. Romfh that a committee be appointed .to
into the matter fully and report book st next meeting of oounoil their reooawendations
tion Mourned
appointed Caunoilasn loDopald and Ralston.
ourned until 4P.M. Tjesds , A t *itb, 1914. at Ws ioh ties this matter
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