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DISCUSSION
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PRESENTATION - BT THE PLANNING
DEPARTMENT
9/6/88
I.
A) COI ISSIONER DE TURRE REQUESTS
DISCUSSION
7-10
CLARIFICATION OF BUDGET BOOR FORMAT:
9/6/88
B)PRESINTATION BY THE BUILDING i ZONING
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3.
PRESENTATION - BY THE DEPARTMENT OF
DISCUSSION
10-13
COMMUNITY DIV LOPMENT.
9/6/88
4.
PRESENTATION - IT THE HOUSING
DISCUSSION
13-14
DUARTHINT
9/6/68
S.
PRESMaATION - BY THE PERSONNEL
DISCUSSION
15-14
MANAGEMENT
9/6/88
6.
PRESENTATION BY THE COMPUTERS
DISCUSSION
16-23
DEPARTMENT
9/6/88
7.
SHORT DISCUSSION BY COMMISSIONERS -
DISCUSSION
23-24
BUILDING AND ZONING
9/6/88
S.
CONTINUED PRESENTATION - BT THE
DISCUSSION
24-27
COMPUTER DEPARTMENT (SEE LABEL 6)
9/6/68
9.
DISCUSSION IN CONNECTION WITH PROPOSED
DISCUSSION
27-30
NEW BUILDING ADMINISTRATION.
9/6/88
10.
PRESENTATION - BY THE POLICE
DISCUSSION
30-62
DEPARTMENT.
9/6/68
11.
PRESENTATION IT THE ONVIRAL
DISCUSSION
62-72
SERVICES ADMINISTRATION
9/6/88
DEPARTMENT.
12.
PRESENTATION - By TIE, POLICE
DISCUSSION
72-77
DSPARTHM
9/6/68
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PRESENTATION BY THE BUILDING i
D18CUSSION
77-81
ZONING DEPART*BNT.
9/6/88
14.
PRESENTATION BY THE DEPARTMENT OF
DISCUSSION
61-87
DRELOPMENT •
9/6/88
1S. PRESENTATION BY THE
DEPARTMENT OF SOLID DISCUSSION
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BUDGET WORKSHOP
September 6, 1998
PLACS: Csmvention Center
Riverfront Smith Mall
400 S.E. 2 Avenue
Mimi, 'Florida
IN SESSION: 9:10 A.M.
PRESENT: Cosasissioner Miller J. Dawkins
Cseas issioner Victor De Turre
City Manager, Cesar Odio
City Clerk, Natty Hirai
ABSENT: Cosssissioner J.L. Plussser, Jr.
Vice Mayor Rosario Kennedy
Mayor Xavier L. Suarez
City Attorney, Jorge F. Fernandez
1. PRESENTATION - BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT
Mr. Sergio Rodriguez: Good morning. The highlights of the Planning
Department are basically the following. We have this year the same amount of
money that we had for last year. We have one less position at present, a
permanent position. There has been an increase in the amount of money for
salaries. Other than that, the highlights that we have as to basic projects
that we are doing this year are the following. Let me start with last year.
As you know we went through the D.R.I. for downtown, which was a basic
approach to try to get all the development under one umbrella. I think that
Is going to represent a lot of major taxes in the future in the city and it is
a major accomplishment. The second level of that will be in this year to try
to make sure that we implement that portion of the budget, of the work
program. We are also working now on the 9500 update as you directed us about
one year ago. We believe that we will be able to be before you with a
presentation on the 9500 new ordinance sometime within the next six months.
We have been working with different committees of the development sector. At
this point, we are trying to go specifically to simplify all the zoning
ordinance as such as possible. In addition to that we have concentrated on
all the things that we do every time before you every year in making
presentations and working with the different boards, the toning Board, the
Planning Advisory Board, the Heritage Conservation Board, and so on, and
making recomasendations to you as we need to go before you for final decision.
In relation to affirmative action, 70 percent of the staff that I have in the
Planning Department is either female or minority. Of that, at present....
Mr. Dawkins: OK, of that, of the female, how many are Black or Latin?
Because you see, I don't want you counting them three times.
Mr. Rodriguez: Right.
Mr. Dawkins: OK, when you say 70 percent is minority, le* me know if the 70
percent is 30 percent white ladies, 40 percent, whatever have you.
Mr. Rodriguez: Well, the 70 percent includes the throe Sroupe. jlev"
percent are Anglo, 14.8 percent are Black, and 22.2 percent are Latin,
Mr. Dawkins: Now many Latin women? Now many Black women? Go into your woman
total.
Mr. Rodriguez: fourteen point eight percent Slack, and 22.3 psrceat Lat L,
Mr. Dawkinsc All right, and of the Latin, what was the Latin tata4?
Mr. Rodrigues t frosty two.
Mr. Dawkins: Twenty two?
Mr. RodrigueT! *• ale.
Mr. Dawkins: And about one fifth of that is female. I mean....
Mr. Rodriguez: Twenty two female Latins.
Mr. Dawkins: Out of 40 percent.
Mr. Rodriguez: Out of the 48 percent.
Mr. Dawkins: The 22 represent what percentage, Mr. Rodriguez?
Mr. Rodriguez: That is the percentage, 22 percent.
Mr. Dawkins: OK.
Mr. Rodriguez: The total department has included in community development
about 29 positions, 27 or 29 positions. At present, 27 are filled. Of those,
six are Latin, which is 22 percent. Four are Black females, which is 14
percent. If you want to get a total amount o, specifically Latins, which are
male, female, but I think the figures have increased. I have to say that we
have progressed tremendously in this area. Sometime in September we are going
to have on board for the first time in the department four Black
professionals. I think that is something that we have been striving for a
long time and we have good people and I think you are going to be proud to get
to know them. I am sure you will be exposed to them and they will be exposed
to you in different Commission meetings. Do you have any other questions?
Mr. Dawkins: On page five of your report, it says update and implement the
Latin Quarter Action Plan. What does that mean in plain English?
Mr. Rodriguez: As you know, we have been working for a long time on that
area. We have been trying to get the Latin Quarter Specialty Center finished.
As part of that project, we have also the Domino Park; that is a key element
of that plan. What we want to do is try to make sure that we have in the
Little Havana area, as well as in some of the other areas of the city, major
projects that will be able to change the whole character of the neighborhood
and revive it again. In that particular area, we need to have the Latin
Quarter Specialty Center. We have been working with Off -Street Parking
Authority or board to try to make sure that we have that project under way.
There have been delays that they have found in buying the property that they
needed to start that project, because they found some environmental problems
with the sites that they had. As soon as we start moving on that, the project
will continue. We have been working on the Latin Quarter implementation
through the Latin Quarter Review Board that meets every month and in trying to
get other areas of the Latin Quarter improved. But I believe at this point
that until we get a major project, something similar to what we got in Edison
Center, for example, with the Winn Dixie, Pantry pride and the apartment
buildings. Until we get a tiajor project in that area, the area will not move
fast enough.
Mr. Dawkins: That's what I'm saying. When do we plan to get some kind of an
anchor tenant or an anchor anything that would be a magnet with which to draw
to the area? Because all I keep hearing is the plan, the plan, and the Little
Havana Development Authority with the plan, but I don't see any future
projections as to if we are going to do this, we're going to bring in a
Jackson Byron or bring in a Burdines or bring in some kind of an anchor. See,
because this is what happened on 62 Street. Everybody talked about developing
62 Street, but there is no anchor. Thirty-six Street, you don't have any
anchor there with which to draw, even though you tried bringing sutra into
Allopattah, but if the Extra had moved in, we'd have sort of like sit anchor
with which to draw people, but nevertheless....
Mr. Rodrigues: The major area, Commissioner Dawkins, the major cbagge that
could be brought in over there will be bringing that specialty Canter owor
there in which we would have reason for people to came into the area that Is"
are afraid to go to the area at night because they don't know it. I they
were to go there and were to find theaters and restaurants and am* p 1p
the area adjacent to the point in which we're char ing the character of
area. first with the Mc Donald's which was built over there that has
very successful now. Then with the Domino Park, that you approved that has
been now moving in save direction and now is getting to be finished. All of
those points and the property across the street which was the old Pub, if all
of that were to be developed into one complex or building, you would find what
you set for example, in other cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco and so
on; that when you develop an ethnic area with some anchors, as you're saying,
we start getting people back. I think that the efforts of the Off -Street
Parking Department will be very important in this area, and we're working very
closely with them in trying to move this faster.
Mr. Dawkins: The only tieing I'd like to leave with is that we do not do there
what we did on 62 Street. I don't care what you put there. If there's not
ptople on both sides of g Street with which to come and patronize the
businesses, they're going to die out. So if we're not talking about putting
housing also in there where people will be, where the people can shop at the
stores... all right, now what about East Little Havana, Edison Center, what
art you doing to implement and update some kind of growth development there?
Mr. Rodriguez: In the East Little Havana area, as part of the Comprehensive
Plan that was presented to you and that will come to you for final action,
we're talking about trying to increase the zoning in certain portions which
are close to the river, because we believe that by increasing the zoning
Intensity in that area, we might be able to bring concentration of offices and
a residential area close to the river. If we also were to get close to that
area around the Jose Marti Park and so on, more activity in a way of
commercial development and residential development, that area will lose some
of the bad image that it has now. So again the efforts that we're going in
that portion over there is through zoning changes and trying to attract, to
continue the efforts that you have for example, with the housing that was
built on First Street in the Southwest. In the Edison Center area, I think
that we have at this point, in a way I will say, that is one of the major
successes that have been in the City in the last two or three years or four
years. The fact that the Winn Dixie came over there and it was so successful
and the Mc Donald continues to be successful, and there have been some changes
in the small businesses in the area. The area, from a commercial point of
view, is doing better than before. What we are missing in that area is the
amount of residential development that will support the market over there.
The first effort was with the Shell City site apartments, that brought in N.W.
7th, a critical mass of residents that will keep doing business in that area.
We need to bring more residential development in that area of that level of
income so we have some spending money to go to the area, and we're working
closely with the people in the area, specifically with the Tacolcy Development
Corporation and with the Martin Luther King Development Corporation to try to
bring that kind of critical mass that will keep the area improving. But
definitely when you go to the area, you see a big change as compared to the
rest of the area. The area is alive and there is development happening in the
area and improvements, even if it is in the way in some cases of site
improvement.
Mr. Dawkins: What does the recognizance analysis of the Flagami
neighborhood.., what are we. looking for?
Mr. Rodriguez: In that areal
Mr. Dawkins: Yes.
Mr. Rodriguez: Flagami for a long time has been an area that has been not in
the top of our list, I guess, in the city, of improvement in the storm sewar.
I think the area is an area that is beginning to age in some portions, and
we're trying to find out what can we do to revitalize the commercial areas,
which are along g Street deal with some of the issues that you have in some of
the residential areas that have been converting in some cases, not legally,
Into duplexes or two family houses. We're trying to figure out what are the
best things that we can do in that area to improve it.
Mr. Dawkins: For me, I don't know, I guess for the rest of the Commission, is
the way you want it, on page seven, tell me how we're going to work with the
County in the development and the renewal of the OMNI area and then let ms
have in writing the renewal plan for Matson Island.
Mr. Rodriguez: Lot me start with Watson Island. Watson Island will be taking
longer. We will be working on that, we start working on that right now
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following the directions that you Rave us, which will be coming before the
Commission sometime in December, early January with our proposal before you so
you can decide whether you will support it or not, and than if you were to
support it, try to go with R" 's and if necessary, take it to the voters. In
the case of the OMNI area, there has been a plan economic study prepared by...
requested by the Department of Development to try to attract the film industry
in that area. In addition to that, we're working in the improvement of
changing the area, trying to tie it to downtown through sidewalk improvements
that will tic it visually, and there have been several developers that have
come to our office trying to benefit from the DRI that we recently approved,
to try to come under that umbrella. I think it is a matter of time by which
that area will become as barren as some parts of the downtown area.
Mr. Dawkins: OK, I'll send you a memo with stuff that I need.
Mr. Rodriguez: Sure, anything I can help you with, let me know.
Mr. Dawkins: I'm finished Commissioner De Turre.
Mr. be Turre: The make up of the top administrators of the department, you're
acting as director still?
Mr. Rodriguez: Yes, sir.
Mr. De Turre: What it the make up that you have right now?
Mr. Rodriguez: In my department, I have a deputy director that was named
recently, which is Mr. Olmedillo, which is Latin male. I have two assistant
directors....
Mr. De Yurre: I'm not interested right now into what they are. I'm just
talking about the positions. If they are male, female, Slack...
Mr. Rodriguez: Oh, I see, I thought when you said make up, I thought you were
talking about breakdown.
Mr. De Turre: No, I'm talking about actual positions.
Mr. Rodriguez: There is a deputy director and two assistant directors.
Mr. De Turre: What was that before you became assistant manager?
Mr. Rodriguez: It was... before I became assistant city manager? It was one
assistant director and then in February I made Mr. Water, the present person
that is another assistant director, assistant director. Two weeks ago, I made
Mr. Olmedillo deputy director. So there has been a conversion from assistant
director to a deputy and another assistant director. Basically, they have
taken two functions too. In the case of Mr. Water, he's also in charge of the
downtown area and he's working closely with that area and in the budget
Issues. In the case of Mr. Olmedillo, he's still functioning in all the
zoning presentations, as you know, when he goes before the Commission in every
case. In the future, I intend to fill the position that Mr. Olmedillo had
before in zoning matters.
Mr. De Turre: I'm trying to figure where the savings are as for as doing,
having hie still be a director? Aren't you filling in your position then?
Mr. Rodrigues: The position that I was having before was at a such higher
level than the positions that....
Mr. De Turre: How much higher?
Mr. Rodriguez: I was making $73.000. The present people now ore making, ar.
Olmedillo, I believe is making forty, fifty nine thousand will be making. to
there is a difference of fourteen thousand.
Mr. De Turre: My understanding was that we were aavin# like a buadred
thousand dollars because we were doing away with the position, but I guns#
we're not. All we're saving is about maybe twenty tbeusand dollars,, tMRntP*
five thousand dollars.
Mr. Rodrigues: You think a hundred thousand dollaral
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Mr. Odio: We didn't give his any extra positions, to he's saving....
Mr. be Yurre: No, but ha's saying he's going to replace...
Mr. Rodriguez: Mr. Olmedillo.
Mr. be Turret He has replaced his position *von though it is called something
also, with Olmedillo. Right or wrong?
Mr. Rodriguez: No, because I will be continually act... you mean the
position itself, that position of director....
Mr. De Turret It's called something else, but there is another individual in
there sow.
Mr. Odio: Me was already in the department.
Mr. De Turret I know, but he's going to replace his now.
Mr. Odio: No, he's not.
Mr. Do Turret Too, he is. He just said so.
Mr. Rodrigues: What I was planning to do in that position, Mr. Manager,
was....
Mr. Odio: He has allocated 25 positions, which is the same. How many did you
have when you were director?
Mr. Rodriguez: There ware 26.
Mr. Odio: So he is saving one full position.
Mr. Rodriguez: What has happened, Commissioner De Turre, is that some of my
positions have become temporary. So what I'm doing now, as we have openings
in the department -and I have two openings, two vacancies in the department- I
try to fill those positions with t*mporarias that I had before. So in a way
there have been some promotions from within into permanent positions. but I'm
doing what we had before with temporary positions in some cases....
Mr. Odio: Rxcuse me, Sergio, the answer to your question, Commissioner, yes,
we're saving one full position, which is $100,000. The other moves are within
the department itself, changing of titles and so forth.
Mr. De Yurre: Just so I understand this, where is that $100,000 saving?
Mr. Odio: One full position has been abolished.
Mr. Do Yurre: Which one is that?
Mr. Odio: The director's position, and has not been replaced. The other
movants are within the department itself.
Mr. De Yurre: But did we have a deputy director before?
Mr. Odio: No, we just gave him a title, but the salaries are still the rise. 'r
He got a small percentage increase. His duties are still the sews.
Mr. De Yurre: But yet now, the person that is a deputy director, that
position that he leaves behind is going to be replaced, according to What
Sergio says.
Mr. Odio: No, ha's not because he doesn't have it approved iA the a"yov" 5,
positions.
Mr. D* Yurr*: Sergio, did you just say that you're goiu; to Yap4
Olwedillo's position?
Mr. Rodrigues: I tram intending to convince the Maaagds to hotp ow
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Mr. be Turre: OK, so we're not doing that?
Mr. Odio: Ma has so many approved positions in the budget. That's it.
Mr. De Turre: OK, so the bottom line is that what you were trying to do now
to replace Olmadillo, that's out. Right?
Mr. Odio: If he didn't know before, he knows now.
Mr. De Turre: OK, I just wanted to clear that up. Thank you.
Mr. Rodriguez: Any other questions?
Mr. De Turre: No.
Mr. Rodriguez: Thank you.
Mr. Dawkins: How many people, how many positions do you have budgeted?
Mr. Rodriguez: Twenty-five positions in the general fund.
Mr. Dawkins: Of those positions, how many are filled?
Mr. Rodriguez: I hesitate to give you an answer because I have two people
which are pending to give me a final answer, which are the two Slack
professionals I was mentioning about and they are not officially in place.
Mr. Dawkins: Are they coming on as temporary or permanent ?
Mr. Rodriguez: The two of them that I'm talking about are coming on as
permanent.
Mr. De Yurre: Can you explain to me this temporary thing. Somebody comes in
to work as a temporary. What exactly does that mean?
Mr. Rodriguez: It means that the person will not have the benefits that the
permanent position has.
Mr. De Yurre: That is the consequence of being temporary. What does
temporary mean?
Mr. Rodriguez: That a person working over there in the department for one
r year or sometimes we can extend the contract a little bit longer, if there is
a vacancy during that period of time, the person can apply for the position,
if the person is the most qualified, than we can hire the person.
Mr. De Yurre: Is there any problem with Civil Service as far as having the
temporary work beyond a one year period?
Mr. Rodriguez: I don't know that answer.
Mr. De Yurre: Who knows that answer?
Mr. Odio: They are terminated at the and of the year and we can bring them
back again for another year if we so choose in some cases.
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Mr. De Turre: Under the same title.
Mr. Odio: Under the same title, we can terminate them and bring them back.
Mr. De Yurre: So what happens is you actually terminate than even though
they're rehired the next day, literally. `
Mr. Odio: We're not doing that right now, so much as in the past whom us
began the temporaries three years ago. We feel that the tesporaries art 0400
that necessity brought it around before we got the new contract with ATO q<#
the 25 percent less pay, we just couldn't afford to hire people on a psroasftb
basis, and we were saving $27,600 par person that we biro us:dsr t r
basis. The union in their contract agreed that we could hirs 130 t bps
a year, but right now we only have about, I belielve the iatt 2 f� ,
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Mr. be Turre? My concern is, I understand there is a savings factor involved
in this. I just don't want to be put in the position that the city be put in
the position wherein we have a problem with Civil Service in the *#.y that
these temporaries are worked within our system.
Mr. Odio: We don't have problems, in fact, I'm told we bring them back, if
they come back they will have to come back under a different title and a
different position.
Mr. De Turre: That's what keeps it out of trouble.
Mr. Odio: That's what keeps it out of trouble. We have never had any.
Mr. Rene Larrieu: To &newer, what the City Manager is saying is absolutely
correct. We brim than back under a different title. The department has to
have a bona fide need for a different type of position. They're considered
for a one year period. At the end of that period, they are terminated
automatically. If the department so chooses to create an additional position
with different titles, they can be considered to be brought back. At the
present time, the city administration is looking at a process called
payrollisg whereby these individuals would be going to an outride agency
contract and would not be on city payroll. That will be casing in the future.
Mr. De Turre: Thank you.
Mr. Dawkins: What it does, Commissioner Ds Turre, is the same thing that I
complain about with outside builders coming into the City of Miami, working
people and dropping people on the welfare system. When we hire people as
temporaries, they have no hospitalization, they got no vacation and etcetera.
Therefore, we save money at the citizens who pay taxpayers' expense. Because
if an individual lives in the city, he pays taxes in the city; but when he
goes to work for the city, because of this new policy that we have, that
individual has no benefits. So, we find a way to jerk him around. I'll
rephrase that, jerk it around, because it could be a female, it doesn't have
to be a sale, and we don't give him any benefits, and this way we come up with
these phantom savings that you and I constantly see.
Mr. Rodriguez: Thank you.
Mr. Dawkins: Thank you, sir.
2. A) COMMISSIONER DE YURRE REQUESTS CLARIFICATION OF BUDGET BnOK FORMAT;
B)PRESENTATION BY THE BUILDING 4 ZONING DEPARTMENT.
Mr. De Turre: Cesar, while they're getting up there. I'd like to have a
clarification. I'm looking at the budget book for '68-189. As an example, to
that maybe I can get an explanation for this page 97, which is police. I'm
looking at the expended '86-'87 amounts, which are $74,274,249.00. Is this
supposed to be the actual monies that were expended during that fiscal year?
Mr. Manchar Surana: No, it is not. That's the budgeted amount. We did not
have actual expenditure that time.
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Than why does
it say expanded?
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Mr.
Surana:
That is a format required by charter.
Mr.
De Yurre:
Then it doesn't
mean what it is supposed to "an?
Mr.
Surana:
Tou're right.
Mr.
be Turret
Then why do we get this book like this then?
Mr.
Surana:
Wo will fix the
headings..
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con up with this question, because I looked at the computer print outs for
that fiscal year, and I looked at the figure that it is supposed to equal the
expended amount. It was like over $600,000 difference.
Mr. Sure"&: We will correct that, Commissioner, we will fix it.
Mr. be Turre: you will fix it, but you have to fix the whole book. I think
it applies to every situation that we have here. Now how does that affect the
actual budget itself? Do we have a balanced budget now, or don't we or where
are we at? You know, if these numbers all of a sudden are $100,000 one way,
$500,000 the other way, how do I know that we have a balanced budget?
Mr. surana: You're talking about the current fiscal year?
Mr. De Turre: No, for 's6-187, it will apply for every year really.
Mr. surana: 166-'67 budget is always balanced. When we prepare a budget, it
Is a balanced budget.
Mr. Do Turre: Teo, but it is balanced also at the and of the year, when you
actually expanded the money. If you didn't use it, then if you use more or
less, how do we know that now?
Mr. Surana: I believe for 197 fiscal year- I'm trying to think, the fund
balance- I think the fund balance was about $10,000,000 as and of 187 budget;
so we did have the fund balanced.
Mr. De Turre: There is an actual, that $10,000,000 figure, there is actually
$10,000.000 in a bank account somewhere?
Mr. Surana: Yes, as of and of fiscal year '87, we had $10,000,000 cash, yes.
Mr. De Turre: What account is that?
Mr. Surana: It is called fund balance.
Mr. Do Turre: And you will find that the actual $10.000,000...
Mr. Surana: The financial... yes, sir, you will find financial statement.
Mr. Odio: That officially will come out when Coopers and Lybrand put out
their report.
Mr. De Yurre: So then, just for the record, this book is incorrect?
Mr. Surana: Yes, the headings should be budgeted instead of expanded.
Mr. De Yurre: OK, thank you.
Mr. Dawkins: Before you Rot started, please. Do you have a copy of the
budget book?
Ms. Edith Fuentes: Yes, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: OK, turn to page 132. Under Code administration, name ms the
three toning inspectors, give ue the names now and the nine, give me the names
of them.
Ms. Fuentes: The three Zoning
Inspector II's are Rafael Rodrigues, Ed
Milligan and Jo King Reid.
Mr. Dawkins: Is anybody bare from
personnel? I want
the record coetirMd in
my office that these people are
on board. I want
that by l2tO0 o'clook,
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Fuentes:
toning Inspector I's. we have Robin Vickers, John Glass, Gaston
C&Jiaa,
Mayda
Navarro, Judith Miller, Vicente Sierra....
Mr.
Dawkins:
Get somebody to help you, anybody.
Ms.
Fuentes.
We're trying to recall.
Mr.
Dawkins:
No problem.
Ms.
Fuentes:
And we also have a vacancy at the present time.
Mr.
Dawkins:
You named six and you got a vacancy, that's seven. It's still
two
short.
Ms.
Fuentes:
Oh, Marcos Fernandes is the other one.
Mr.
Dawkins:
Name me the three building Inspector II'o.
No.
Fuentes:
building Inspector II we have Victor Martinez, Dan Gleason and
Roberto Movie.
Mr.
Dawkins:
Medical Inspector II, Mechanical inspector II's.
No.
Fuentes:
We have Ryan Grant and Junto Gomez.
Mr.
Dawkins:
Electrical Inspector II's.
Ms.
Fuentes:
I have Leonardo Soda and Jose Quintanalas.
Mr.
Dawkins:
Plumbing Inspector.
Ms.
Fuentes:
Plumbing Inspector II is Hiram Perez.
Mr.
Dawkins:
Plumbing Inspector II you have six of them.
No.
Fuentes:
No, there was an error in that one, air. ?;
Mr.
Dawkins:
OK, how many do we have?`
No.
Fuentes:
Plumbing Inspector II, I only have one.
Mr.
Dawkins:
You have one. OK, how many Plumbing Inspector I's do you have?
None.
Ms.
Fuentes:
We have six, sir.
Mr.
Dawkins:
So we got plumbing...
Ms.
Fuentes;
Plumbing Inspector II and six Plumbing Inspector I.
Mr.
Dawkins:
Who are they?.
Me.
Fuentes:
The two is...
Mr.
Dawkins:
No you got six here.
Ms.
Fuentes:
Too, sir.
Mr.
Dawkins:
OK, give to me all six of them.
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Ms.
Fuentes:
Glen Foster, Raul del Castillo, Wilfred Cash, Robert tuft*'"
Pedro Cartaya,
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and I forget the other one.
Mr.
Dawkins:
by soon see that somebody brim at the MMus "I s#sieA ss�auriw►
number of all
these people. Now Sony vehicles do you have. ou b#if►+i `�Nr o,l�`' 6g
these inspectors that ride around in?
NO.
Fuentes:
We have a total of around forty. ;
Mr.
Dawkino:
Forty? All right, you pot C9 people is your dopsrtwxt.
Ms.
ruentes:
leg, sir.
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Mr. Dawkins: Take 27 from 89, the administrators, clerks and what have you.
to 27 from s9 gives you 62. to you got how many cars for 62 people?
Ms. Fuentes: forty six, for those inspectors that ride around.
Mr. Dawkins: What's the area of the City of Miami?
Ms. Fuentes: Approximately thirty four (14) square miles.
Mr. Dawkins: So, how many districts or square miles does each toning
Inspector inspect?
Ms. Puente$: The City is divided into ten (10) districts, and we have 6-7
Zoning Inspectors covering the entire City.
Mr. Dawkins: Nov do you expect 6 or 7 inspectors to cover all the districts
(each district)? Ok, Mr. Manager, I want to get all these information this
afternoon.
Me. Fuentes: We will provide all of then to you, sir.
Mr. Odio: You will get them all.
Ms. Fuentes: Thank you.
9. PRESENTATION - BY THE DEPARTMENT Of CONKUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
MOTEL Following is a brief synopsis of a small portion of the mestisg which
did not get recorded due to as electronic failure of the system.
■r. Frank Casteaeda, Director of the Department of Community Development,
stated that the Department will receive $659.070 from the General Fund for
fiscal year 1988-89. This amount reprasants a cut of $72,052. or eight (OZ),
Is the departmeat's general fund budget for personnel and operating expenses.
In addition; the City's Community Development Block Grant Program has also
been reduced by approximately 5.4Z.
Mr. Castaaeda further expressed that the Department of Community Development,
due to these cuts, has had to became extremely efficient as well as more
aggressive is obtaining other Federal funds to meet the meads of the
neighborhoods. Presently staff is doing substantial search for now funds in
the commercial revitalisation and economic development arena.
(=KIN BEIAW FOLIAWS VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT)
Mr. Frank Castarieda: .... and economic development arena as well as the
social program arena. I'm•preparing a memo for the Manager for distribution
that basically says that we have submitted one and a half million dollars
worth of applications to OCS, 1.1 million dollars for economic development
projects and approximately $400,000 for social programs handling approximately
four agencies in the economic development side and eight agencies in the
social programs side. So, what our department has basically been doing for
the past year, is to find other funding sources to alleviate the loss of
community development block grant in the areas and, as a natter of fact, we
are trying our darndest to increase the dollar amounts in the community. We
have also become very aggressive with the jobs programs. I don't know what
your experience have been with it but in my opinion, the output has greatly
Increased. We are also going after hard to serve populations that the City
has not done that before and I believe that on Thursday Commission that we'll
have an ordinance appropriating $60,000 of Wagner•Peyser which is a hard t9
serve felon program which we'll be bringing to the Commission. Our d#partS"t
has been out there looking for money from every funding source and,I believe
that we have been fairly successful in obtaining monies, not for 04r
administration but for programs out there in the comn+enity. I'll anaver any
questions you might have, Commissioner.
Mr. De Murree Now many employees do you have in your dr;,artment?
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Mr. Costonedo: Total number of employees, seventy-five.
Mr. De Turre: Now much do you have budgeted?
Mr. Castaneda: The total budget of the department?
Mr. De Turre: Um hum.
Mr. Castaneda: That's $14,700,000 and that includes the amount of money for
projects, the administration budget is four and a half? Two point eight.
Mr. De Turre: You said that you all write for grants.
Mr. Costoneds: Teo, air.
Mr. be Turre: now many millions of dollars are we applying for right now?
Mr. Castaneds: We are applying right now for one and a half million dollars,
1.1 million dollars for economic development and we have just submitted four
applications, approximately $300,000 a piece, one to help Coconut Grove local
development corporation with the CUTS project in Coconut Grove. Another one
to help in the development of the shopping center which Howard Gary is the
promoter in the OCS and they're going in with Miami -Dade Community - Miami -
Dade Chamber of Commerce as the non profit entity. The third application is
one for ABDA to build a shopping center in the Allapattah area and the fourth
is with St. John's and for the Carver Hotel.
Mr. De Turre: Where are we at with St. John's? Because I know there's been
some trouble with trying to get that program off the ground, the development
of those housing units.
Mr. Castaneda: I have not worked with it, Jerry Gereaux in the housing
department is working on that issue. This is a cooperative deal between St.
John and, what's his name, Sonny Wright for the Carver Hotel. In the social
program area, the maximum that you had to apply was $50,000 a piece and we
have about eight applications for about $50,000.
Mr. De Turre: Now does the amounts that you're requesting, the grant money,
compare to previous years?
Mr. Castaneda: Well, in previous years I think that there has been a
psychological change, not only in our staff but in the non-profit entities.
The social service agencies basically viewed the City as the way to go to get
monies. You know, they realized that the City's monies, you know, have...
Mr. De Yurre: OK, but give me dollar amounts, don't give me theory. How does
it compare dollarwise to previous years?
Mr. Castaneda: This is the first time that we've tapped the OCS. What we've
done in previous years that I have staff...
Mr. Do Turre: And you had no monies previous years, zero grants.
Mr. Castaneda: Zero. From other sources. Basically the main source was
community development. What we have done in previous years as I was saying
was that we have members of our staff in every board of the United Way and
what we're trying to do is to influence the decisions of the United Way to
sake sure that social service funding goes to the agencies of the City aad
that's what we've been doing in the past year. This year we've become very
actively going after money for the agencies out there and it is my opinion
that we have a fairly good shot at getting some of it.
Mr. Do Turre: Who does the grant writing for the department?
Mr. Castaneda: It's divided really into three areas. We do grant writing
both in the economic development area under Fred Fernandes, Miranda Albury,
basically, you know, takes charge in that area. Pablo Canton in the area ter
cultural affairs and Francena Brooks in the area of social services.
Mr. De Turret Are there any requirements or any strings att&*W to these
grants?
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Mr. Ceateneds: There sure are slid, You know, it depends on the particular
application. What we're trying to do right now is get fairly computerized and
we have the capacity to get computerized in the sense of creation of boiler
plate types of application f* which we just change the amount, the purpose and
submit the grant.
Mr. Dawkins: What's the problem in getting computerized?
Mr. Costaneda: No, we are computerized.
Mr. Dawkins: Wall, you just said you were trying to get...
Mr. Castsneds: No, no, no. What we're trying to get is the application
inside the computers so we can knock it out and we were successful...
Mr. Dawkins: Wall, what hinders you from putting it in there?
Mr. Castaneda: It had never boon done before and we're doing it now. We are
now. You see what we had...
Mr. Dawkins: And you'll have it completed when?
Mr. Castaneda: I'm sorry?
Mr. Dawkins: You'll have it completed when?
Mr. Castaneda: We are complete right now. We submitted eight applications in
this matter and, you know, we do not have the staff...
Mr. Dawkins: OK, go ahead. Go ahead, that's what I'm...
Mr. Castaneda: You know, we do not have the staff to handle each application,
we have to go into mass production and basically what we do, we create the
boiler plate, the agency comes here, these are the facts, to do to do pa pa
pa, and we run out the computer machine and we have the applications. We used
to do this for the UDAG and we were very computerized for the UDAGs, anybody
would come in and we could knock out an application in three days which
usually ran about 200 pages. You know, we just didn't have this capacity for
this kind of program and as you know, the UDAG program is basically going down
the tubes. We have not been refinanced by Congress so we have to go after
other funding sources and that's what we're doing.
Mr. De Turre: Tell me, you said you had 75 positions.
Mr. Castaneda: Yes, Commissioner.
Mr. De Turre: You got is funded as I can see from this erroneous book that
needs to be corrected. Where does the balance, the other 50 some come from?
The other 57?
Mr. Castaneda: Right. Let as go into details. Our total administrative
budget is 4.8 million dollars. Two million come from the community
development block grant administration I had mentioned before. We have
special allocations for the citywide job development program from community
development of $376,000. As I mentioned before, $859,000 from the general
fund and the rest of the money comes from the private industry council which
Is 1.5 million dollars. The private industry council money, I don't know how
familiar you are with it, but basically, you get the money if you produce.
Mr. Odio: Commissioner, if I may, I was trying, I could do it this year, is
to go zero contribution from general fund so that the department would be
totally financed by the federal government and grants and that's why Volvo
developing this grant procedure so that by nest year, I hope, we era dorm to
zero general fund monies. We have reduced general fund nosey contributiom
for...
Mr. Castaneda: by d percent this year...
Mr. Odlo: by g percent this year and, hopefully, nest year it trill be "to,
Mr. Castaneda: Tao, let me add, on the other side that we also able, t11 _.
$300,000 for the renovation of the Manuel Artime Community Center. A "or +a"
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$200,000, this year half a million dollars, we should have that complete by
January so we are in good shape there and we're moving.
Mr. De Turr*: Do any of these grants prohibit you from using the money for
salaries and employe* payments?
Mr. Castaneda: ON, the grants under community development have to be related
to the purpose of the grant and that's the problem that we've always had with
the community center. That maintenance operation, you know, operating
community center is not an eligible activity. That's why we have always
required general fund money to do that but we're trying to find these other
funding sources to take care of that and also revenues in the theater. In the
private industry council, you get paid for producing. You get $1200 a head.
You can use the money for anything else but if you don't produce, you don't
get paid so you really have to use it, you know, for that particular purpose.
Mr. De Turre: Twelve hundred per year.
Mr. Castaneds: Par head for placing somebody in a job, you get $1200. That
meats the criteria of the federal government.
Mr. be Turre: And then you're satisfied that with all these dollars that we
have here that part of the dollars not being used to pay for salaries or
employees contrary to what the purpose of the money it has been given.
Mr. Castaneda: I'm sorry, could you repeat the question?
Mr. De Turre: Then you're satisfied, as the director of the department, that
none of the monies that have been given for one purpose are being used to pay
for salaries which they're not supposed to be.
Mr. Castan*ds: No, correct. I'm perfectly satisfied. For that matter, I
have to be because, you know, we get audited every year and if there are any
questions, it creates problems for everybody.
Mr. Ds Yurre: OK, thank you.
Mr. Odio: Any more questions, Commissioner Dawkins?
4. PRESENTATION - BY THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT
Mr. Odio: This department doesn't receive one dollar from the general fund,
it's all grants for federal monies.
Mr. Jerry Gereaux: I'd like to summarise a couple of things about the housing
agency's budget. The total budget for this fiscal year is $12,175,087. Our
funding comes from a vcrie%y of sources, non local. With the exception that
we do use community development block grant funds for the rehab programs. We
also get a special discreet federal allocation of what are called, rental
rehab grant funds which is a bonus and allows us to do more rehab. We also
get funding through the section B program which the agency is administering
now. We also get funding from special housing bonds that the City passes from
time to time. But we don't get, as the Manager said, general fund money. We
try to support ourselves. About 82 percent of the agency's budget is for
program capital activities like the making of loans, the acquisition of land
and, you know, physical kinds of things. The remainder is used for staff
support to get those things done and also to pay for our normal operating
expenses. From the programatic standpoint because we do both renovation and
we're now getting into new housing development, about 78 percent of the budget
total is used for housing rehabilitation. About 15 percent of the budget is
used in providing rent subsidies to low income families here in the community.
About 5 percent is used for the administration of new housing program efforts
like the Carver project up in the Manor Park neighborhood and about 2 percent
Is used for general office overhead administration. That means accounting asd
financial planning and overall program supervision. Our work program for this
year is going to be essentially what it was last year only we hope to be detag
a little bit more of everything. We expect that we'll be rehabbing this
budget year financing the rehab of about 700 hundred rental apartments. iis're
hopeful that we can finance the rehabilitation of ISO single family haws in
the eeswunity and produce about !S to SS saw affordable horsing units. Atd,
of tours&, we'll be administering the ongoing section g program for which we
got 7S new units this year and administering our four and a half million
dollar housing davelopment grant that's being used to finance, in part, the
AC, adult congregate living facility out in the western part of the City.
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Mr. Goreaux: Teo, I have.
Mr. Dawkins: lase 148.
Mr. Gereaux: Tao.
Mr. Dawkins: txplain to as why you've got one, two, three, four, five, six
tiors in your organisational chart. OK.
Mr. Gereaux: OK.
Mr. Dawkins: You got multi family housing, single family rehab, affordable
bousing, rest subsidy and affordable scattered site housing. Now why is it
that in each one of these administrative boxes you've got housing specialists,
a principal housing specialist, a senior - I mean a housing specialist under
affordable housing, a housing, two affordable and affordable and a one under
rent subsidy. Why can't this be combined and why can't one person do all of
this. Explain it to at.
Mr. Gereaux: OK, this functional organisational chart intends to show you
what kind of functions we actually perform. If we look at from the organ...
Mr. Dawkins: Vhy can't five poople be replaced with two people or why is it
necessary to have five people, Jerry?
Mr. Gereaux: OK, it's necessary to run the programs, Commissioner. Ve need
that staff.
Mr. Dawkins: And there's no way in the world that the guy in multi family
housing, as a principal housing specialist, can function under affordable
housing as a housing specialist.
Mr. Gereaux: No, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: Vhy?
Mr. Gereaux: Because of the specialty and the skills involved in the various
jobs.
Mr. Dawkins: OK, I'll tell you what, hold it, hold it. Mr. Manager, I'd like
to have a meeting with you and Mr. Gereaux and let his bring the job specs of
everyone of these people u4 show me in the job specs what specialty each of
these individuals have that does not allow him to function as the other one.
Mr. Odio: Too, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: OK, go right ahead, air.
Mr. Gereaux: Tao, sir.
Mr. Odio: Do you have any questions... OK.
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S. PRISINTATION - by THZ PERSONNEL MAMAGUOWT
Mr. Odio: Personnel management. I •ant to say that Angela S*llamy is the
director and she had to take a leave of absence because of her immediate...
Mr. Dawkins: Teo, very immediate.
Mr. Odio: We didn't want her to have it here. So Rene Larriou is going to
make the presentation.
Mr. Dawkins: One seventy two.
Mr. Rene Larrieu: Good morning, my name is Ran* P. Larrieu. I'■ the deputy
director of the department of personnel management. I am responsible for the
day to day operations of the department of personnel management of all
sections and divisions with the exception of the group benefits which reports
directly to Mrs. Sellamy and it has very close working relationship with the
office of labor relations. I have brought the staff from the group benefits
area.
Mr. Odio: Rene, if you could reach that microphone, you could be playing for
the Heat.
Mr. Larrieu: I was saying I had brought the staff from the group benefits
area in case there are questions in that +rea. Regarding our budget of
•/g/ds, our present budget is $170,000 less than the current year. This
reduction is due to the contracting out of medical services and the budgetary
cut of 2 personnel officer positions; one senior personnel officer in
recruitment and selection and one personnel officer in the area of
classification and compensation. It is important to note that this
department, going back in history in FT 185, had...
Mr. Dawkins: Hold it, just give us the data. I mean, don't give us the sales
pitch. Just give us the straight data, will you. We've sat here, each year
we hear the pitch.
Mr. Larrieu: We're responsible for the administration of the planning,
directing and administering of a comprehensive personnel system for 4500 civil
s*rvic* employees. We have a City employment office which provides
information regarding current recruitment programs. We have a classification
compensation function which has the responsibilities for work, planning,
salaried administration and position classification. We have a medical area
which is responsible for conducting the pre -employment examinations of new
employees and applicants. Records saint*nonce; we have the preservation of
all employee personnel records and the referral of applicants for all job
Interviews in accordance with civil service rules 7 and g. Recruitment and
selection; we establish &Ad maintain recruitment programs to provide an
adequate supply of qualified applicants for the City departments. And test
validation; we validate employee selection procedures in accordance with
federal and state guidelines...
Mr. Dawkins: OK, that's enough. What...
Mr. Larrieu: Terse of the ethnic composition.
Mr. Dawkins: OK, explain to me the amount of money that you saved by
contracting out medical services and how it was done.
Mr. Larrieu: budgetary cut of the medical clinic which had...
Mr. Dawkins: All right, but wiped out how much? What was the
operating the clinic?
Mr. Larrieus The cost of operating the clinic was $200,000.
Mr. Dawkins: All right, $200,000, all right. What else?
cost of
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Mr. Larriout We reduced two personnel officer positions, one senior personnel
officer....
Mr. Dawkins: So You cut two people...
Mr. Larrieut Correct.
Mr. Dawkins: ... for personnel.
Mr. Larriout Correct.
Mr. Dawkins: All right.
Mr. Lorrieu: From areas.
Mr. Dawkinat leg your pardon, now I dont' care where - but you cut two people
f rom personnel.
Mr. Larrieu: Teo, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: All right, two people, all right, now, what else?
Mr. Larrieu: That's where the reductions came from.
Mr. Dawkins: All right, now...
Mr. Larrieu: It's a hundred and seventy thousand less than the current year,
9.1 percent less.
Mr. Dawkins: Wait now, $200,000 and two people - now you dive me $170,000,
you lost me.
Mr. Larrieu: Tou have approximately $90,000 that's costing the operation of
the medical for contracting out, Commissioner Dawkins.
Mr. Dawkins: All right, now, when we started the year, how many people did
personnel have?
Mr. Larrieu: We had thirty-four.
Mr. Dawkins: Thirty-four. And, with thosLe two...
Mr. Larrieu: We had 34 FT'ge and one part time for a total of 35. But we're
requesting FT '89...
Mr. Dawkins: All right, so 34 by eliminating two people here, these are the
only two positions in the whole department that you reduced to let go in the
reorganisation. These two here.
Mr. Larrieu: No, sir, we cut 4 in medical plus two...
Mr. Dawkins: So that's 6 and who else?
Mr. Larrieu: That's six and one additional clerical, so that's seven.
Mr. Dawkins: All right, so that's seven.
Mr. Larriout Seven.
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Mr. Dawkins: And you had how many at the beginning of the year?i
Mr. Larrieu: Thirty-four and one part time.
Mr. Dwkins: Thirty -tour and !S. So "von from !S M,111 girt
Mr. Larcteut Correct. Twenty -sight is what we're ragwating tar It
Mr. Dawkins: 090 go right ahead. And that's all you're ,So$,gg to be" 111+101�
year.
Mr. Larriout Too, air. That's all that we plan to hove for the y w.
fi!Y :p4.
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Mr. Odio: Tou started, sir, what did you have in 'tS?
Mr. Lerrieu: I started to give his a picture in terms of what we had...
Mr. Odio: Don't dive his a picture, give his
Mr. Larrieu: In 'IS we had 40 positions.
Mr. Dawkins: Forty positions, all right so now we're down to 20.
Mr. Larrieu: Thirty eight full time, and two part time is 40.
Mr. Dawkins: to from 40 we go to 26.
Mr. Larrieu: From 40 we're down to 26.
Mr. Dawkins: And you're not going to bring anybody on as temporary or nothing
else.
Mr. Larrisu: No, sir, that's all that we plan to do at the present time.
Mr. Dewkins: All right, now, where are we with the computerization of that
department?
Mr. Larrieu: As you're aware, Commissioner Dawkins, that's one of the most
Important projects that we have, we have done all the necessary research for
that project. Vo have...
Mr. Dawkins: Vhere are we with it? Not what have we done, where are we?
Mr. Larrieu: OK, we are now at the stage of the RFls being evaluated by the
department of computers at which...
Mr. Dawkins: All right, good, I'll take the rest up with computers. Good,
all right...
Mr. Larrieu: OK.
Mr. Dawkins: ... because they're coming up bore in a few minutes. OK? OK, I
have no further questions.
Mr. De Turret One question. Do you show an expense for travel and pardies?
Mr. Larrieu: Yes, sir.
Mr. De Turre: Can you explain to me for what purpose you use these monies?
Mr. Larrieu: Commissioner, in our field we have a constant litigation, we
have legal requirements and we use that money to send the staff to conferences
and conventions where the state of the art is produced in terms of information
and test validation, classification compensation, group benefits and the
different important areas so that we can be kept abreast of the most up-to-
date technology.
Mr. Do Turret How such are you budgeted for this coming year?
Mr. Larrieu: Fifty-six, fifty seven hundred dollars.
Mr. Odio: Fifty eight hundred and ninety two dollars and...
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Mr. Larrieu: Fifty-eight ninety-two, yes.
Mr. Odio: ... that has been the same amount for the last throe ye4rs. ifs x
went back to actual comparisons and that's why we left them the save *V" �r
though my goal for next year is to go to sere, and then they'll have to jvst4#1►
It all over again. €`
Mr. Do Turret Is that lift y-eight that amount, the one that is...
Mr. Odio: Fifty-eight hundred and ninety-two dollars.
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Mr. De Torre: Is that the budgeted amount for the lost three years say that's
the constant mount?
Mr. Odio: To*, sir and they have speeded the...
Mr. be Torre: They have spout the full amount?
Mr. Odio: Tea and they justified the trips.
Mr. be Torre: OK, thank you.
Mr. Larrieu: Tao, air. In terms of ethnic composition of the department
before I depart. Ye have a total of 31 in the department of personnel
management and trust and agency account of which we have two Anglos accounting
for 6 percent, we have 13 blacks accounting for 42 percent, 1S Hispanics, 49
percent, and one other.
6. PRESEM ATION - BY THR COMPUTIRS DEPARTMENT
Mr. Odio: Computers.
Mr. Carlos Smith: Good morning. The budget for the department of computers
Is $119,000 over last year or 2 percent. Me have cut the number of personnel
by three. Personnel costs have gone down by $33,000, operating expenses up by
$142,000.
Mr. Dawkins: Mold it right there. You reduced the department by three
people.
Mr. Smith: To*, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: And the salary only went down 33 percent?
Mr. Smith: That's correct.
Mr. Dawkins: Well, you weren't paying than - well they weren't being paid
nothing. Really what you were - OK, go ahead.
Mr. Smith: As I said, operating expenses went up $142,000 mainly...
Mr. Dawkins: Why?
Mr. Smith: ... mainly due to increases in maintenance of the...
Mr. Dawkins: Explain it. break It down for ma. Was that one of those
maintenance contracts, Mr.?
Mr. Smith: The maintenance of the main frame and maintenance of
microcomputers. Mainly microcomputers due to increases in the number of
microcomputers. Maintenance on the main frame due to increases usually we
have year over year.
Mr. Dawkins: OK. OK, go right ahead, sir.
Mr. Smith: The primary objectives of the
department for the next year are to
actively promote a main trams upgrade to
develop a disaster recovery far the
department, to complete roview of the RIFT and selection of
voodoar al" ee
Implement at least two modules and to
move the computer
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permanent location.p`
Mr. Dawkins: When?
Mr. Smith: Are you referring to the W,
Sir?
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Mr. Dawkins: What do you seen you have a commitment from the police
department to let us Move into a facility that belongs to us. Explain that to
Me.
MOTE: A QAP EXISTS IN THE TRANSCRIPT AT THIS POINT DUN TO A MALFUNCTION
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Mr. Dawkins: ...negotiated with the Chief and the Chief worked cooperatively
with us to better utilise space that belongs to the city of Miami.
Mr. Odio: That sounded good. That's right.
Mr. Carlos Smith: That is correct.
Mr. Dawkins: I have a note here indicating... it sounds awful funny the other
way.
Mr. Odio: Too.
Mr. Dawkins: No problem. Go ahead. When are you going to move there?
Mr. Smith: We expect to move, sir, within the next six months.
Mr. Odio: Let me add to that, Commissioner, we are working, as you know, you
asked Commissioner Plummer to go out to Philadelphia to look at the new
computer system. The way to do this is to arrange to have the physical
facility ready when the new computers, if the Commission approves the change,
is coming down. So, it really has to be about three months.
Mr. Dawkins: We're going to upgrade the present system and save a ton of
money when we're moving because we're upgrading and moving at the same time.
Mr. Odio: That's the way it should be done. That's why we should do it.
Mr. Dawkins: Is that what you're saying, Mr. Smith?
Mr. Smith: That's correct. The rental expenses right now are approximately
$250,000 plus internal services charges for property maintenance and so forth.
Those would be eliminated if we're in another city building.
Mr. Dawkins: You're going to put the $250,000 in the Chief of Police budget?
Mr. Smith: That's up to the Manager.
Mr. Plummer: The hell you say. The only problem, Commissioner, that we have
Is the problem of transition. To move the computers back to the police
department is going to take approximately 90 days to get it ready for the new
computers. That's the only problem that we have. Let so just say that I did,
in fact, go to Philadelphia. We did go through the full and entire scope of
the picture. The city of Mltumi has reached a point where we don't have really
the choice of upgrading or not. We have to upgrade and it will have to
continue. The new machines, which we're looking at and considering for which
the Manager, in my estimation has done a fantastic job of negotiation, -not
really him, give the credit where it is due, to Wally or to Carlos.
Mr. Dawkins: Carlos give us credit where it is duo to the staff. rally Smith
didn't do nothing but ride along.
Mr. Plummer:
Oh, OR, that's all right. Anyhow, the bottom line, all that
ends wall, is
veil. Machines that we have presently, we're running as
told about 85
percent of what they are capable of doing, which is absolutoly
dangerous. A
good, safe level is around 70 percent. These new machines are
probably five
times more capacity and five times faster than the old sschinea,
but yet about
a fourth the space is needed to do the same thing. So I dom•t
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think It is a
matter of choice. It is a matter of vhat we've got to do amd I
command the administration for in fact going forth and mailing a,dehl to&ti�
didn't think was going to be able to be Rode. The only *too thgt , t
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Mr. Dawkins: opt, I agree. I've boon saying all along that they should to
there. I'm happy to hear that the chief thinks to too, because when.., you
see, everybody has Non complaining about the substations and how they're
going to N manned and how they can N utilised, and if you were to stove some
of the stuff off the fifth floor... and this is just as a politician, not as a
police specialist, that you have some people to put in my stations where
everybody is complaining saying that they're not needed. Mr. Manager, I would
like to go....
Mr. Plummer: txcuse me.
Mr. Dawkins: No problem, J.L. Mr. Manager, I'm going to Philadelphia to see
what J.L. saw for myself and I'll probably request to take a staff member with
mo. I'll lot you know.
Mr. Odio: The problem that we have with UNISYS as I'm told, is that we have
to make a commitment....
Mr. Dawkins: I have no problem. You said 90 days, 120 days before you put it
In. I'm going up there to see what the hell you're going to put in.
Mr. Odio: to would you mind than making a commitment? We have to tell them
yes, we want to upgrade.
Mr. Dawkins: What did we send J.L. up there for? See. I don't understand how
we keep sending a representative of the Commission up to observe and come back
and make a recommendation to us, and we have a problem with it. J.L. said
that's what we used. And the reason we sent J.L. up there was because we know
It had to be done.
Mr. Odio: UNISYS has been very good to us. We had a payment due this year
and they have waived that payment. The first payment for the new system,
Commissioner Do Turre, is in October 1, 1990. That means... but we have to
make a commitment before October Sth.
Mr. Dawkins: So are you asking the three of uo here to make a commitment or
what?
Mr. Odio: I guess I'm asking permission to make a commitment subject to the
full approval of the Commission. It should be brought up in the sleeting Of
Thursday.
Mr. Dawkins: Well, I'm strongly in favor of upgrading the Computers and it is
something that we have to do. We may as well do it now. If we don't we're
going to do it a couple of years later. So I'm in favor of it, so you go
ahead.
Mr. Do Turre: I got no problem with it. If we're talking about a timing
factor, we're talking about transition, moving from one building to another,
we can keep working with*vhat we got while they're installing the new
equipment, so there is no -loss of time or where we won't have use of the
computers. Carlos, how such money are we going to be saving now with the new
system and moving in the police department?
Mr. Smith: Moving into the police department is basically rental. Of course
we cannot nova everybody into the police department, so we'll have to find
them quarters someplace, so we might not be able to save all quarter of a
million dollars. Ye slight be able to save maybe half of it. We save...
Mr. De Turret Now many people won't N able to go to the police department?
Mr. Smith: Approximately 20 people, IO people.
Mr. Do Turret Out of how many?
Mr. Smith: Out of 60. The reason is because some of those, I believe it to
20 of those, are computer operators and they work shifts. , lhey are ;U*;X
within the area that the computer will be housed. It's the progre"srs, tj�p
sdministrative, the administrative staff, and the support people, tusf
Information center people that appears will not be able to hens* withip
police department. ,
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Mr. De Turre: Now much space do you need for that?
Mr. lmitht I believe we're using right now ten thousand.
Mr. be Turre: but how such are you going to need for the people that can't go
to the police department?
Mr. pith: Ten thousand is what those people are using today.
Mr. De Turre: Just for administrative and things of that nature?
Mr. Smith: The programmers, the information center staff and the
administrative staff is approximately 10,000 square fast that they use today.
Mr. De Turret Does that include hardware space?
Mr. Smith: No, the hardware is separate. What I'm saying is that space I
would need over and above what goes into the department of police building.
Mr. De Turre: Ten thousand seems like a lot of space for 30 people.
Mr. Smith: We also have a training room as part of that. If we were to move
Into an area that has a good sized conference room and so forth in another
building within th3 city, we could reduce that because of the need for a
training center.
Mr. De Turre: So what do you plan to do with these other 30 people7
Mr. Smith: We're got to find a location for them. I'm looking around.
Mr. Da Turre: It seems like....
Mr. Smith: Let me say this....
Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute. The Commissioner has asked you a question.
Tou've only answered a pittance. How such money are we saving? It's a hell
of a lot more than rentals)
Mr. Smith: There is more than that. The maintenance is cheaper. The
consumption of electricity and so forth is cheaper. I believe the computer,
the annual payments, I believe are approximately 1.4 million but I'm Mt too
sure exactly.
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Mr. De Turre: The savings...
Mr. Plummer: Well...
Mr. Smith: There's an additional savings that has to do with the fact that
police today are manning that building as a requirement. They have seven...
Mr. Plummer: Ah, another $250,000.
Mr. Smitht I believe they have 7 policemen that if we move over to the police
department, we would not need any more. I man, they can go out to the
streets...
Mr. Dawkins: I'm sure
Chief Anderson's saw
that as a savings. That's why he
agreed so readily.
Mr. Smith: I'm aura he
did.
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Mr. De Yurre: to, how
such are we looking
at as tar as savings? Cive as s
bottea line estimate.
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Mr. faith: t would say
annually, approximately
$7S0,000.
Mr. Ds Turre: And that
includes what we're
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Mr. be Turre: So there's
$750,000 savings.
Mr. lwlth: That's correct.
Mr. Ylwwsre That's annually, but you have the initial savings whore MISTS
has agreed to give we 10 years for sine. If we don't make the payment this
October, we are saving right off the bat a million, four.
Mr. be Turre: And w 're going to reduce the taxpayers contribution? Are we
going to reduce taxes this year?
Mr. Smith: Out of the million, four, I believe, $498,000 is the contribution
from the general fund. The other coins from, I believe, is police bond money
and fire bond money.
Mr. Do Turre: to that's $488,000 that this taxpayers will be saving. Is that
correct, Cesar?
Mr. Odic: Teo, sir.
Mr. Do Turre: OK.
Mr. hummer: In that department.
Mr. De Turre: I want to start adding up to see how much we can save this
year.
Mr. Odic: Mall, that's already taken up front so...
Mr. De Turre: Well, not if we don't approve this.
Mr. Odic: The savings have already been absorbed in many cases by this
budget. We had to find over 15 million dollars before we even started the
budget so...
Mr. Do Turre: So then you're assuming that we're going to approve this when
you prepared the budget?
Mr. Odic: No, I don't assume anything. I've been around long enough to know
that. I prepared the best budget that we could and I hope that you approve
It. If you don't, we'll go back and redo it. ,$
Mr. De Yurre: No, I gust want to understand, you're already - the $486,000
are already included, the savings?
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Mr. Smith: Oh, no.
Mr. Odic: We did not take that one up.
Mr. Smith: No, no, that's...
Mr. Odic: I'll consider the 488 as a savings...
Mr. De Turre: OK, so that's a savings right now.
Mr. Odic: If it comes to fruition.
Mr. Smith: The Ogg as part of the budget right now.
Mr. Odic: We're in September. by the time you sake a move it's three to five
months so I can't...
Mr. Do Turre: Teo, I know it will be... but there will be some savings.
Mr. Odic: yes.
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Mr. be Turre: it's not the "S but a percentage of that will
saved.
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Mr. Odle: And we also have to - I hope we're doing that right view,
vie&otistiny with the building to cancel that lease as soon as possible because
it eapires and we how to make a one year commitment , so that has to be done
Immediately.
Mr. be Turre: Another thing. you know we talk about looking space for this
and space for that avid we keep - our goal is the administration building. You
know, where are we at with that because if we keep getting into further
commitments here and there, you know, we keep extending ourselves.
Mr. Odio: You're right, we are working on the new administration building.
Herb &alloy's department of development, he's working on that and we should be
having something, I hope, by October, in the first meeting of October.
Mr. Do Turret because I've been here almost a year now and, you know, a lot
of talk but so action.
Mr. Odle: Let ma see where Herb - Korb, are you here? Oh, he vent to the
bath room. I'll give you a report on where we are on the new administration
building.
Mr. Do Turret OK, thank you.
Mr. Odio: Any more questions?
Mr. Plummer: I have no further questions on computers. I've &Ivan you the
questions or problems that I saw...
Mr. Odio: Yes, sir.
Mr. Plummer: ... that you'll have to give me answers to.
Mr. Odle: Too. sir, OK, thank you.
7. SNORT DISCUSSION by COMMISSIONERS - BUILDING AND ZONING
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Manager, you did planning, building and zoning, community
development, housing and personnel management.
Mr. Odlot Yes, air, and computers. If you want to bring any one of them
back...
Mr. Plummer: Wall, in building and zoning, the only question that I wanted to
ask was, in building and zoning, how many new inspectors are being put on?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: None.,
Mr. Plummer: None?
Mr. Odio: Adding new ones, no. j
Mr. Dawkins: I got them coming back... I have them coming back to explain to
me the number of inspectors they got, their name and social security numbers
because I have not seen all the people who they got down as inspectors and
they aren't hiring any new ones.
Mr. Plummer: You're shoving no new inspectors?`
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Mr. Odio: Additional inspectors?
Mr. Plume r: Too.
Mr. Odin: No. sit, we're net. r
Mr. Plummer: Hall, 1, like my colhagua, find that w►K+ ►t�rir�t�r: t
and zoning. Whore are vet Ho'vo beans working � ~g ?vend #'dWj`bUtjt
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Mr. Dawkins: _ _ bring it back, thank you.
Mr. Plummer: Oh, OK, all right.
S. COMTIM MD PRISENTATION - BY THE COMPUTIR DIPARTMENT (SEE LASEL 6)
Mr. Dawkins: And the computer*, before you leave, when will the personnel
department be computerized?
Mr. Odio: Carlos. On the answer on the administration building, I'm told by
Mr. Salley that it's going out on an RFP now for the consultant services
and...
Mr. Dawkins: OK, what is - from who, you find out from who?
Mr. Odlo: Herb Dailey and the financing - and working out the financial
package to be awarded to...
Mr. Dawkins: You know, you know - all right, Mr. Manager, I am very, very
disturbed, OK? Last year I asked that this be done. The year before last, we
started negotiating and now we're in the middle of the budget hearing again
and now you tell me that you're just putting out an RFP. I paean...
Mr. Plummer: RFP for what?
Mr. Dawkins: For computerising personnel.
Mr. Odio: Sorry, Commissioner, I was answering his question on the
administration building.
Mr. Plummer: Why would you put out an RFP for that?
Mr. Dawkins: I don't know. No, no, no, I'm talking about the computerization
of the personnel management over there where every damn ties I go over there
and ask, how many people have we processed, they go pull out a notebook and go
through it instead of bringing it on a screen.
Mr. Smith: Commissioner, earlier this year, we requested permission from the
Commission to _Issue an RFP for personnel management as well as financial
*oftwaiia. That has been done. We expect to complete the evaluation of the
responses and selection and bring it back to Commission sometime either
December or January. Our goal is to...
Mr. Dawkins: OK, let me stop you. Mr. Manager, is it legal to pass a budget
and say, don't spend no money because I don't want your budget not in sync in
September. but I do not feel like - as such as I want to move computers, as
such as I want... but I just don't feel like, and here again I guess the Miami
Herald will say that I'm getting football tickets for this too, but this is
the only time I've got a lever to pry out what I want.
Mr. Plummer: That Miami what?
Mr. Dawkins: That newspaper.
Mr. Plummer: You scan the morning tabloid?
Mr. Dawkins: You.
Mr. Plunw r: That told you not to vote?
Mr. as *grit Yes.
Mr. Plummer: The unamerican paper?
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Mr. Plummer: Good boys.
Mr. Odin: Carlos, when are you going to have the personnel managemant
tomprterised period.
Mr. Bsith: We expect to have that by this time most year, sir.
Mr. Odio: Tell his.
Mr. Dawkins: Say what nor?
Mr. faith: We expect to have it done by this tine next year. It is our top
priority.
Mr. Dawkins: That's what I heard and I can't may this to you, sir, because
you weren't there. I was told that last year. We're going to make this a
priority, OK? Now, I feel like pulling the whole computer part of the budget
and put it to the side and let everybody go home and come back to work when
you all get it done since you got a computer. You see, and another thins, you
got all these people over there, all this expertise and you got to go out to
get a consultant to come in and tell us what the hall to do. Why?
Mr. Sulth: What do you mean, setting a consultant?
Mr. Dawkins: You say you put out an RFP.
Mr. Smith: We did put out an RFP. We put it out ourselves, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: And asked for what in the RFP?
Mr. Smith: Basically, those functions of the systems that personnel would
Ilk* to see that finance would like to see. It was put out to bid and we got
4 responses.
Mr. Dawkins: And that's to purchase the software to put the systes in place?
Mr. Smith: That is correct.
Mr. Dawkins: It'll take a year to do that.
Mr. Smith: But it's gains to take approximately three to four months to go
through the evaluation. They have to come in and give us - show us the
software.
Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Manager, table computers budget. I mean, I just - I mean
I'm just not going to sit up here year after year and ask for things and I
don't get them, you know. Now how many - you know yourself, Mr. Manager, I've
been asking for this ever since you and I have been here.
Mr. Odio: You're right, Coaraissioner. I believe that this time it's going to
get done because the four rasponses will guarantee that once we pick one, they
will come in and install the software. Is that correct? I don't know how
such...
Mr. Dawkins: Say what now? Run that by me again.
Mr.
Odio: Well, you said yea or no.
Mr.
Smith: That's basically correct, yes.
Mr.
Dawkins: What did you say, I didn't hear you, Mr.
Manager?
Mr.
Odio: What we're doing right now is picking what
software will be used.
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Once
we do that, they will come in and install it.
Mr.
Dawkins: OK, as soon as you pick the software, I will Pass the bps;.
Now,
I think that's a fair exchange. 1 think that's a
fair trade off.
Mr.
Smith: That would be...
Mr.
Dawkins: You got from now until the time to pass
your t to
software picked. Tkat ain't nothing my problem, I so,
so d* r
problem.
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Mr. lnith: It's going to be December...
Mr. Dawkins: Tom had o whole dsmn year to sit over there and do like this at
ms. OR? So ghat, what you want from me. peanuts?
Mr. Plummer: No, you're ~rend. Tou don't have to pass the budget. No.
Mr. Dawkins: All right, now you're the budget son, why do I have to pass the
budget?
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Mr. Plummer: Oh, absolutely, no question, but not as presented.
Mr. Davkins: OR, I didn't say....
Mr. Plummer:
Not as presented, we just eliminate
computers from the
budget
and pass the
budget. I mean, you've been around
long enough to know
how to
skin a cat. Tou've done it for years.
Mr. Dawkins:
Wheeeoeel
Mr. Odio: Commissioner, I would suggest that you
approve the budget
of the
computers and
I give you my word that we will pick
the software by the
end of
November...
Mr. Dawkins:
Sy the and of what?
Mr. Odio: Of
November.
Mr. Dawkins: Right.
Mr. Odlo: And that there will beginings to - once we approve the software,
they can begin to bring it in immediately. I don't understand about how they
do that but...
Mr. Smith: They can bring it in immediately, you know, when it's fully
Implemented, it takes tine. They have to put it in, they have to train
people, we have to, you know, between personnel and us we have to sake a
decision...
Mr. Odio: Wait, I'll guarantee you that it will be selected by the end of
November and that they will cone in and start doing whatever they have to do
when once we pick the company.
Mr. Dawkins: I'll - no, sir, I will only go if you tell ma and give as your
word that we pass half of the budget - no, I mean we want - we pull that out
and I'll fund computers for half its budget...
Mr. Odio: Pine. .'
Mr. Dawkins: ... and than, if it's in place on the 6th of June, then we'll
fund the rest of it. If not, we'll just kill it and put the nosey back in the
overall budget.
Mr. Odio: Teo, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: Now, how is that? Or would you prefer toot I do it- on 1/12th of fi
the total budget and then when I get tired, if we haven't - and then any, at_
the end of six months, if you're not close to doing it, wipe it out.
Mr. Odio: Pine.
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Mr. Dawkins: All right, now, who's in here from the City Attorney's bO##*$
All right, you tell the City Attorney, Mr. Msasger or somebody.... rr
Mr. Plummer: Wait, wait, wait, you're telling me there to so repr►olow-ft ,
Mere of the City Attorney's office, such lose the :aty "n"? �1
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Mr. Odio: May I add on computers, commissioner, we did, during this year,
Cmsisafoser Dawkins, so you feel better about it, during this year we did all
of testing and validation have bees computerised in the personnel management
office, sir.
Mr. Plummer: All right, so what you're proposing is that we go to a 1/11th
funding en computers.
Mr. Dawkins: On computers.
Mr. Plummer: Bo you can sit down and figure out what 1/12th is and then we'll
just pass it every month if we see fit. If we feel you're making onough
progress.
Mr. Dowkias: What kind of headache - what does that do, Nano?
Mr. Odio: I'd like to put the money in reserve.
Mr. Dawkins: Oh, yes.
Mr. Plumper: Oh, sure.
Mr. Dawkins: Oh, by all means, sir.
Mr. Odio: OK, so what you're telling me is so many...
Mr. Dawkins: It's reserved...
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Mr. Dovkins: Beg your pardon?
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Mr. Plummer: Can do what? Tea, you can do it administratively because you
don't spend a dims in computers on November lot until the City Commission
approves it.
Mr. Surana: That's correct, yes.
Mr. Dawkins: OK, maybe it'll get computerised now. OK, thank you.
Mr. Plummer: Tou'll see it before Christmas under these circumstances.
Mr. Dawkins: OK.
Mr. Plummer: But you cannot spend beyond 1/12th until you come back to the
Commission.
Mr. Odio: We'll appropriate, the whole amount and this could be...
9. DISCUSSION IN CONNECTION WITH PROPOSED NEW BUILDING ADMINISTRATION.
Mr. be Turret Can we got the administration building question assured?
Mr. Odio: Herb.
Mr. Morb Dailoy: What was asked specific gwestioat
Mr. be Turret On the administration building.
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proposal from a consultant that was approved at a previous Commission meeting
to give we a strategy on the financing. We, in house, have already determined
that based on the amount of money that we're paying for annual leases is
sufficient to build a building of 150,000 square feet which would cost
approximately $IS million dollars. We have also determined that the 1.2
million or better a year that we're paying in leases bonded out would give us
adequate funds to do that. Do it's just so now just a matter of paper work
and the process of getting it started. It took us sometime to do that because
the original proposal came in at $50,000. We only had $25,000 for the
consultant so we went back and renegotiated the price down and eliminated
those items that we didn't have to have the consultant do and included those
items and VDP process. The facilities needs study will be done by the
proposers. The financial study will be done by Deloit Haskins 6 Sells.
Mr. De Turre: Now, the RFP you're talking about is asking...
Mr. Dailey: It would be asking for the design construction on a turnkey basis
of the City administration building. It will also determine within that
activity the facilities needs as to what type of facility we will need for the
existing and future needs of the personnel and the activities involved with
that personnel which also includes computer, fire and everything also.
Mr. De Turre: OK and that is going out?
Mr. Dailey: We will have the actual document ready for the first Commission
Meeting in October. We will also have the consultant contract ready for the
second Commission Meeting this month. It's just a matter of approving
something you've already passed.
Mr. Dawkins: Where are we going to put this proposed building?
Mr. Dailey: At the present City administration building in the east lot.
Mr. Dawkins: The east lot?
Mr. Dailey: Yes, it's the second phase of it. As I understand it and as I...
Mr. Dawkins: OK, that's where the parking lot is.
Mr. Dailey: The parking lot, yes.
Mr. Dawkins: Right, then is there any way - did we say anything in the RFP
about having a ramp over to the building from the parking garage so that
individuals coming down there would have some place to park because you are
taking up a parking lot and the county would definitely have to buy some space
from us in our parking garage because we are taking our land where they're
parking damn near 200 cars a day.
Mr. Dailey: Wall, some of that land belongs to the county, ease of it the
City. We also have the land where the parking meters are. The second phase
Include the amount of land where the parking motors are but people are parking
there and the amount that we own in front, the county has a piece in front of
us. However, the proposal will include parking for personnel and visitors and
also perhaps a day care center.
Mr. Dawkins: Well, why are we building parking when you got a parking garage
where you could just put a ramp across the streets?
Mr. Dailey: That wouldn't be sufficient to cover all the personnel,
Commissioner. It would handle - when you move - when we talk about a City
administration building, we're moving practically all of the City persommsl
with the exception of those out in the field like sanitation and the
facilities department of the parks department into that building. go, we're
projecting we'll know exactly once we get the facilities msods study
completed, the exact number of parking spaces. But I cam guess mew that the
existing garage which is not adequately used at the moment, will not be emouih
to cover all of the personnel space.
Mr. Dawkins: But it will cover some of it which will cut down on ~ bowleg
to acquire land or what have you, so such more land for parking, wouldn't, 1tl
Mr. Dailey: That is correct. We'll build only what we seed.
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Mr. Dawkins: OR, build what yaw **ad. Is it that foundation for that parking
garage, is it possible to add on?
Mr. Dailey. I,a net certsin if it's structurally sound enough. We can
certainly cheek into that. That's why we need the facilities needs study. We
tried to get that independently at one time and that was rejected.
Mr. Dawkins: Well, what I'm thinking about is - OK, then we don't need to pay
for nothing, the Off Street Parking should know whether this building has a
foundation you can go up or not.
Mr. Dailey: That garage belongs to the City.
Mr. Odio: We built that one, there wasn't enough....
Hr. Dailey: We own that one ourselves.
Mr. Dawkins. Yell, we should know whether it's got a foundation.
Mr. Dailey: We can find all of that would be a part of the...
Mr. Dawkins: All I'■ trying to say is, in my opinion, it would be easier...
Mr. Odio: The answer is, we can add two more floors.
Mr. Dailey: OK.
Mr. Dawkins: So this cuts down on building a whole new facility.
Mr. Dailey: That makes it better. You know, that whole design that will take
into consideration the possible addition...
Mr. Plummer: Keep it in mind that we're spending a million dollars as subsidy
a year for that one parking garage.
Mr. Odio: And we have to pay for parking for our employees so we are really
not adding income.
Mr. Dailey: That's why we're convinced that the amount of money we're
spending today is sore than sufficient to build a new facility of adequate
capacity.
Mr. De Yurre: When are we going to know how such it's going to cost us to run
a building of that nature?
Mr. Dailey: Well, the RFP will request that the proposals come back with
recommendations to the Commission on the size and the facility and the cost of
it. but I'm pretty certain that if we do it within the next 36 months, we're
going to come in at 15 to 16 million dollars at 150,000 square feet.
Mr. De Turre: Construction, $15 million?
Mr. Dailey: between 15 and 16. About 15 to 18 I would say. I would say 15,
that's what our numbers show today.
Mr. Plummer: Let me ask you another question. I asked the administration to
explore taking over the DuPont building. They were asking $21 million with
400 parking spaces and, what, a million square feet of office space?
Mr. Odio: You know, Commissioner, I believe and I'm checking that out. I bad
lease management looking into the building but I believe they have sold the
building, they sold it very fast. I'm trying to check into that right now. i
believe kt...
Mr. Plummer: That was what they were asking. You could hews bwAw#,gµ
cheaper.
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Mr. Odio: I know, but I think they meld it,
Mr. !lunar: They offered it to you aad l told You withis two y#
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Mr. Odle: We did, Conmissicner, but I still think that...
Mr. Plummar: Could have had an instant building.
Mr. 011ie: but the best oar to go though is to have every single department
together over at the site and not - we'd still be scattered all ever the
place.
Mr. be Turret Thank you.
10. PRESENTATION - BY TIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
Mr. Odlor Police. Are you ready for police, Commissioner Plummer?
Mr. Plummer: Tine with me. It would have been a fabulous buy.
Chief Perry Anderson: Members of the Commission. I would like to take this
opportunity to briefly comment on some of the new directions that my
department is taking to improve its overall efficiency and effectiveness. And
after any questions that you'd like to ask, I would be more than happy to
answer. As the Chief of the Miami Police Department, I have and will continue
to stress three important elements which are needed to make a good department
great. They are a back to basics approach, better efficiency through good
management and the building of team spirit. The police department's first and
most basic respoi.:ibility is responding to the needs of this community.
Uniform street police (TAPE !MALFUNCTION -GAP) are the single most important
resource we have in assuring that this responsibility is met. As the chief, I
have taken immediate steps to assure that this resource is properly staffed.
Some 40 police officers, taken from a variety of specialised units such as
marine patrol, street crimes, have been moved back to patrol. An innovative
program initiated by the administration division will place three to four
extra police officers on the street on days when they are most needed. A
complete review of all sworn positions throughout the department...
Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, Chief, did you say three to four went
Chief Anderson: Yes, but that's kind of pushing it when you're talking about
the administration division so we're pulling then out. But that's in addition
to what we are already...
Mr. Plummer: That's alit
Chief Anderson: ... in administration. We're currently reviewing the process
and looking to so we can get more people out but that's not all. We're going
to...
Mr. Plummer: that's above the rank of captain.
Chief Anderson: to do right now. I didn't hear you.
Mr. Plummer: Above the rank of captain.
Chief Anderson: That's below the rank, police officers.
Mr. Plustimer: You said administration.
Chief Anderson: The administration division, that's where all psr40W lrl
mutters are taken care of.
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Chief Anderson: OK. A Complete review of all sworn positions throughout awe
department is underway with the goal once againputting
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sergeants instead of 15 sergeants ass4M#d to osgh pata+el 4Mr%1,
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which is the first link in providing police resources to those in need. These
efforts, along with others, are already beginning to refocus our attention
back to the street. This, however, is the only the f first area of concern I
have. The fiscal realities of the City of Miami make it incumbent on we and
the managers to gat the most out of the resources provided. Good management
practices, h second major theme, ore the keystone to putting this theory into
practice. A first step in this area was taken in streamlining the department.
Seven staff level positions were eliminated and other command level personnel
ware reassigned to areas of critical concern. The new emphasis in our
department is on management through involvement with the officer on the street
and the citizens of this community. I and all of my staff have ridden with
patrol officers. We have listened to their concerns and have acted to correct
problems. Other command officers are doing the same thing. Innovation and
decision making are being encouraged at all levels of the organization. I
hove recently appointed a management maintenance inspection team composed of
staff members and other sworn officers. This group, in addition to their
regular duties, will be taking a hard look at each of the divisions within the
organization. Issues such as manpower allocation, equipment, operating
systems and management practices will be examined in detail. Specific
rocowmandations for improvement will be made by this group and implemented by
the division chiefs. Human resources are our single greatest expense. Some
90 percent of this year's budget is related to this cost. The maintenance of
our existing personnel and the control and steady growth of our department to
Its budgeted strength are also areas that we, as managers, must address.
Through the process of reorganization, we have been able to consolidate all
departmental entities directly related to the maintenance of people under one
command. This move has enhanced our ability to cut through bureaucracy and
enables us to respond more quickly and efficiently to the needs of the officer
on the street. Our current budgeted strength for sworn personnel is 1100. We
have 1031 sworn actually working at this time. With an attrition rate of
approximately five a month, it would be necessary for us to hire 129 people in
one year to reach 1100. While this is possible to do, our recent experiences
have dictated the need to proceed in a more deliberate manner. We are
preparing a plan which will enable us to reach 1100 in one to two years. And
the new budgeted strength of 1150 to two and a half to three years. These
management practices, combined with the back to basics approach, are two of
the necessary elements. The third is building the team spirit. As chief, I
have appeared before every roll call. I have listened to my police officers
and my staff and I have ridden by their side. We have walked through many
neighborhoods in this City. We have preached the importance of the group and
the worth of the individual. All of this has been done to infuse the
department and the community with a sense of team spirit because ultimately
the success or failure of the Miami Police Department is dependent upon our
ability to work together as individuals, as a police department, as a
Commission and as the City of Miami and the community we serve. back to
basics, good management practices and teamwork. Each are important and
necessary if we are to successfully address the problems of the coming year.
I'm open for any questions that you may have at this particular time.
Mr. Plummer: before you d9, let as welcome the City Attorney to the budget
hearings. Good morning, Ms. City Attorney. I want you to know we've killed
your entire budget because there was nobody here to defend it and I would hope
In the future, that if you can't make the budget hearings, that there would be
a representative here because it is important when we need the questions
answered.
Mr. Jorge Fernandez: Thank you. I hope I can revive my budget later.
Mr. Plummer: I doubt it.
Mr. Dawkins: No, I doubt it seriously so you're not being paid, you Ray se
well leave now.
Mr. Plummer: Chief...
Chief Anderson: ?es.
Mr. Plummer: ... lot me first command you for starting in the right
direction, but I don't think you've `K y gone anywhere aasr far •sough. flit! < .
Unfortunately, this budget is like budgets of the past which says to Imo we're
going to have the same of the future. I aR conceraod, very coacsrn*d " to y
being expressed I'm sure to my colleagues as well as myself, that last sight,..
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just using that as the most recent, that we were experiencing three and four
hour delays on response. Now, that was not on immediate, but that was on
response to calls. I don't think I need to tell you what that perceives in
the mind of the people who are waiting for a policeman. That is our first
blush with the public and in many instances, it is the only real direct
contact with the public. I sm not satisfied that we are going feet enough to
put more men into patrol. That to se is the most important factor. The
others are very important, no question about it. But as I look through the
department. I still see a great number of sworn officers who I personally feel
and it's my opinion which I'm entitled to, could be done by a job of a
civilian. Keeping in the back of our mind the basic numbers which are a
little bit higher this year and continue to go up each year, that for every
million dollars we get 50 policemen per year. for every million dollars, we
get 76 civilians. Mr. Manager, I have spoke to you in sofa* of the areas, for
the life of me I cannot understand why our police department is required to go
answer calls is reference to chickens and roosters.
Mr. Odio: That was stopped about...
Mr. Plummer: The hall you say, they did it yesterday.
Mr. Odio: Well, then somebody made a mistake but I was told by the Chief that
that...
Mr. Plummer: OX7 That is a building and zoning problem in my estimation.
Tou tied up many hours of police work yesterday on that. Chief, I don't know
whether I should address the next area of concern to you or to the City
Attorney. I have expressed it to the manager, it is still continuing. I am
concerned in the liability of the City of Miami. We are far from reaching
what would be a good posture in burglar alarm calls. We are still not
responding on some burglar alarm calls because they have either reached the
twelfth call or for whatever. Last week, we did not respond to a burglar call
at a bank. I personally have said to the Manager, I think it creates a
liability. Nov, you can put any kind of fine you want on them but I'm
concerned when we do not respond after whatever the number is, if it's 12 or
whatever it is. I know the City Attorney is working on an ordinance to revamp
that and I am concerned because that revamping's been going on for 3 or 4
months and we're still having the cases where we are not responding in some
Instances.
Chief Anderson: Well, they're referred to as nuisance alarms, but I'm going
to go back and ask* sure that we respond to all alarms and I'm glad that you
have brought that to my attention but I was aware in some cases but we will
respond to all alarms no matter.
Mr. Plummer: Well, give me your projection for the next 6 months of how many
more, I think you've done 47 that you've switched over back to patrol. Give
se your projection in the next 6 months how many more you will be putting back
into patrol.
Chief Anderson: Wall, the first initial reaction was to take those people who
were obviously not functioning within the organization and put those
Immediately back in the field but I'm going to have to be a little careful in
going beyond this point. I'm most definite that we will be putting officers
back in the field but I'm going to have to use a little bit more consideration
so I'm talking about maybe 10 to 12 officers. Nov, considering that I've
already taken, which is unheard of, 48 police officers, combined with
sergeants and lieutenants, and put them back lato the field and also with the
reductions, now I've been informed that we have two sergeants over the current
budgeted strength and also two captains so I'm going to have to be a little
bit more considerate as to in those areas where there is a need to overlap the
responsibilities of a civilian and a police officer.
Mr. Plummer: Give se then...
Chief Anderson: But I r looking in those areas.,
Mr. Plummer: Give me than your justification, let we just pick on one.
Chief Anderson: That's OK.
Mr. Plummer: Whydo you aced a sworn officer in charge of burglar
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Chief Awdersos: ihll, there's as ordinance that requires...
Mr. Plummer: I usderstesd that.
Chief Anderson: OR.
Mr. Pltaasr: go, it doesn't require a police officer. Why do you have one is
that position?
Chief Anderson: Well, there's an enforcement responsibility there.
Mr. Flu mser: That's by ordinance...
Chief Anderson: Tes, yes...
Mr. Plu mser: ... that's the City Attorney.
Chief Anderson: Well, but that's by us to carry out.
Mr. Plummer: OK, this is the kind of area that I have spoke to you about, I's
going to continue to speak about...
Chief Anderson: Tes, OK...
Mr. Plummer: ... and I can go down the list, down the list in areas - and I
could be wrong in some of them...
Chief Anderson: No, you're right.
Mr. Plummer: but I'm saying to you, is that we need to get the officers back
into patrol, answer these calls, than if we have the luxury of going into
specialized units after we are answering the people who we are directly
responsible to, well and good. but I'm telling you I want to say to you that
12 more policemen in patrol over the next 6 months to sm is not adequate.
Chief Anderson: Well...
Mr. Plummer: Not when you're running 3 to 4 hours delays on calls.
Chief Anderson: I agree but the only thing I'm saying, Commissioner, and .I
think that we have to be mangerially sound in making the decisions to just
take police officers out of the building when they have what we may consider
to be essential functions. So I'm going to do that. I'■ going to but I think
I have to be a little bit more gradual in doing that. The first 69 was sort
of obvious that they stuck out. As a matter of last Friday, I walked into an
area and I'm a different kind of manager. If you're not doing the work, if I
walk into an area and we have people who are not functioning, I'll take them
right out and put them in an area where they're of the most use. I had a
problem dealing with - I sail a couple of my people sitting and not functioning
with their legs crossed. Well, I put than right back on the street so I don't
waste any time in doing that. My philosophy is different. I don't have a
problem with putting as many police officers in the street as we can afford.
I don't have that kind of a need to have people sitting inside not answering
calls. So, I think by my first indication, when I took those people out was a
sign of what's to come, so I'm going to do that and...
Mr. Plummer: Wall, what is it going to take, this is budget time...
Chief Anderson: Too.
Mr. Plummer: ... this is the time. What is it going to take to assUM tLis ,
Commisaies that at so time within the very near futures that their ile
going to have to wait more than one hour for a response of a�`f
poiioMds�
plesse, I an net of the thoory, throw mo+�ey at it. ,A
Chief Anders": go, I understand.
Mr. Plunwr: OKI gut if it goods a ssay# tbe# seMthing *I" W
Chief Anderson: To*, I agree with you.,
Mr. Plower: Mow do we do ltt
Chief Anderson: Well, see, the point is, is that I'm now in about the second
mouth of my administratios. I think it you look at the managerial part of it,
we have increased our calls for service some 6.2 percent. That means that
calls for service are steadily increasing. Realising on the other and, there
are certain budgetary constraints that I as a manager, as a chief of police...
Mr. Pltlmmere No, so, that's what we want to talk about.
Chief Andersone Too.
Mr. Plummer: That's what we're here today about.
Chief Andersone Too.
Mr. Plummere What are those constraints that, it lifted, could take and say,
public, you're not going to have to wait more than one hour to have a
policeman show up at your front door?
Chief Anderson: In a city this site, I don't think you're ever going to be
able to say that.
Mr. Plummerc We did it before.
Chief Anderson: Tou'll never be able to say that with the rapid...
Mr. Dawkins: Don't may never, Chief. The best thing to say, chief, I think
Is that you've only been in office two months, you're doing the best you can
to adjust and you'll look at it and come back to us at an appropriate time
with an appropriate answer.
Chief Anderson: but I want to be honest, I think it...
Mr. Dawkins: Oh, that's a lie?
Chief Anderson: No, that's not a lie but I want to be honest. I want to be
honest in a City that's rapidly moving and rapidly growing like we art and you
look at some priority calls and the way that we respond to priority emergency
calls, I think we have one of the best records in the nation. to, when you
look at the lessor priority calls that we're talking about going all the way
down to about a priority g or a 9, than I can't guarantee a civilian oa a
lessor serious call that ha's not going to see us responding after as hour. I
don't think that that would be - it wouldn't be realistic for me to may that
for any reason.
Mr. Plummer: What are you doing in the area of PSA's?
Chief Anderson: We're in the process of hiring, right now I think we're about
down to about half strength.
Mr. Plummer: Which is how many in number?
Chief Anderson: We're talking about 21 we have. We're authorised to hire 40.
Mr. Plummer: And these - there's an area that I think we need to look into.
Chief Anderson: I agree.
Mr. Plummer: Now, these son and woman who are PBAs, have the right and
authority after
trained to go and write reports, let's
say, for a breakia,
right?
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Chief Anderson: That's become* we do not have the budget strength but most of
thew are doing that.
Mr. Plvmmar: OR, than that's what I need to talk about.
Chief Anderson: Too.
Mr. Plulmar: If we were to inereaso that to a hundred, how such **say are rN
talking about?
Mr. Dawkins: Mono, how much money are we talking about?
Mr. Plummer: On PSAs. What are we paying a PSA today?
Mr. Nano Surana: Too, I'■ checking out, I think about $23,000, we're checking
on that.
Mr. Dawkins: Twelve thousand, for a PSA?
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Mr. Dawkins: Well, what the hell do you expect to got for $12,0007
Mr. Odio: They were making as such as a police officer....
Mr. Dawkins: So, and they were doing the same work.
Mr. Odio: No, they were not...
Mr. Dawkina: They had to seat the same criteria.
Mr. Odio: If we're going to pay a PSA the same as a police officer, we sight
as well give them a gun and swear them in.
Mr. Plummer: No, you can't because they're not of ago.
Mr. Odic: After they go to the academy.
Mr. Dawkins: Too, but if I got to pay his I may as well pay an officer and
have that many more officers on the police force.
Mr. Odlo: Commissioner, we were asked in a two years ago in this some
workshops to come up with a lover rate for PSAs. Now, if you want me to come
up back with a higher rate, I'll be glad...
Mr. Dawkins: I don't think that $12.000 a year - somebody give me the rate
over there, please.
Mr. Plummer: I'd liko to know what it would cost us to go to a hundred PSA9.
I believe that there are so many things that a PSA could be doing to relieve
the police officer to be doing what is really necessary for police officers.
Chief Anderson: Tou're correct.
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Mr. Plummer: Somebody give me that answer.
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Mr. Plummer: All right, so you're talking about, let's
call it fiftVes:
Mr. Dawkins: Pay 17, it's a little better.
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Mr. Plummer: We've got to increase it by $0, to that correct!
Chief Anderson: Too.4r
Mr. Plummar: to 80
Mr. Odlo: Wait, wait, don't forget the fringe benefits.
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Mr. Dawkins: What doss the eounty pay a PSA?
Chief Andersest I have no idea.
Mr. Dawkins: Semebody call over there, their personnel now and find out for
ma, pleaee.
Mr. Plumwmert You're talking about a million, two. What are the frings
benefits?
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Mr. Oidio: OK, according to his the county pays $5,000 more than wn do and so
that makes them asking $20,0007 Twenty.
Mr. Plummert I think it's the best money we could spend.
Chief Anderson: Wall, we're looking - we have a figure bore of PS", now,
$16,000.
Mr. Plummer: Including fringe?
Chief Anderson: Including everything, I think, well...
Mr. Plummert Sixteen including fringe?
Chief Anderson: It says on the bottom, yes.
Lt. Joseph Longueira: They don't get the benefits.
Chief Anderson: They don't get all of the benefits.
Mr. Dawkins: No, they're tomporarios...
Mr. Plummer: Yell, no they're temporaries for a bull pen. They're also gone
to the best bull peas in the world for getting police officers to go in.
Well, I'll tell you, Mr. Manager, that's where I'■ going to be. I'■ going to
be - to bring that up at this budget hearing to a strength of at least a
hundred.
Mr. Dawkins: You got me, old buddy.
Mr. Plummer: What about if I don't want you? Let se ask you the next area of
concern.
Chief Anderson: Tes, sir.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Manager, when will the substation be on-line, the first one?
Chief Anderson: January 189.
Mr. Plummer: Down the corner.
Chief Anderson: The one up in the north end.
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Mr. Plummer: Tell me what you're doing
to address
the areas of IlLsoN y
personnel and everything related to the first substation.
Chief Andorson: What we plan on doing is
taking about
a traction of V"t '
have now and putting them into the substations
Mr. P1ummar: What's the traction?
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Chief Anderson: Mall, salary vise, as far as costs per personnel. I don't, at
this particular time, I don't envision any increase.
Mr. rlwamer: Congratulations. What other problems do you envision at this
point? If you're opening it on the first of January, you know, we don't meet
main for budget until next October. What have you got built into this budget
for the new substation? Cost, dollars?
Chief Anderson: Well, we're going - dollarvise. We're in the process of
constantly recruiting. Dollarwise, to give you an enact figure, right now
we're budgeted at about 67.5 million dollars for personnel, for sworn
personnel.
Mr. Plummer: It's not my question.
Chief Anderson: OK.
Mr. Plummer: My question is, what do you envision that the new substation is
going to cost the taxpayers of this City?
Chief Anderson: I don't have that information now.
Mr. Pl,- r: You better have it.
Chief Anderson: I will have...
Mr. Plummer: No, no, no, you better have it now because it's opening in
January.
Chief Anderson: Well, I think I've already replied basically that I will be,
as far as the salary costs are concerned, I will be taking personnel. So it's
not going to cost me any more money salary...
Mr. Plummer: Sure it is, lights, water, all of the maintenance, janitorial,
everything involved. What you're telling me now is, you don't need any money
to run a new substation. How such of it is in here for the substation?
Mr. Surana: We'll figure it out.
Mr. Odio: Wait, I'm going to have to figure out these costs on PSAs. You're
not talking about just hiring a body and putting man on. You have to get
care...
Mr. Plummer: We've got cars.
Mr. Odio: No you don't have cars.
Mr. Plummer: We've got over 200 cars sitting in that lot every day between
shifts. Chief, how many cars are sitting there normally?
Mr. Odlo: They don't drive -patrol cars.
Mr. Plummer: They can be changed. You take the stripe off and you use them
for regular.
Chief Anderson: Well, you're talking about, we have - each shift has their
own cars.
Mr. Musser:
But how many cars do we see sitting in
tha lot not being
utilised?
Chief Anderson:
We're talking about 150 cars.
Mr. Slum or: A hundred and fifty cars. Could they qot
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that thoN cars are
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Mr. Plus mor: Chief, I an convinced however you do it in
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going to tremendously relieve the delayod call factor,
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Chief Anderson: I agree.
Mr. Plummer: Now, to M , I'm going to toll you What. I'm going to toll you
emd I'm going to toll the Manager, it he Wants my vote on budget that I vast
that PSA cadre increased to a hundred, OK?
Chief Asdorson: I understand that completely, yos.
Mr. Plummer: Nor, that's where I'm at.
Chief Anderson: I understand.
Mrs. Kennedy: Mr. Manager, excluding the cars, how much will the PSA salary
be including the other fringe benefits?
Mr. Plu oor: ma's saying sixteen.
Mr. De Turre: It's got to be more than that.
Mr. Odio: Close to a million dollars plus we have to got radios for then and
the vehicles which have to be worked out and the uniform?, you know...
Mr. Plummer: soy, tine, it costs money, there's no question it costs money,
OK? Now, let me tell you what you do and I don't mean to got into a nit
picking thing here. If I have to, I will, but you justify to me, Mr. Manager,
why a guy out here trimming trees, two of them have to have radios. I don't
know why a tree trissmer has to have a mobile phone or radio. OK? I don't
either, but they got them. Now, I'm sure if this administration tells you,
you can find 70 radios, I'■ sure. Nov, if you have to buy more - look, all
I's going to say and then I'■ going to shut up for this period, all right, is,
Mr. Manager, it is my firm belief that we must answer to the public that we
are serving who are not happy and understandably so when they have to wait 3
to 4 hours for a police response. I think there are ways other than just
throwing money or dollars at it that we can address this problem. The next
area I want to get to and I'm going to tell you where I'■ coming from, we
started a program and somewhere along the line, it has f altored of writing
reports over the phone.
Chief Anderson: Nov, but, go ahead.
Mr. Plummer: Now, lot me toll you something. Chief, you go back and you
check your radio. Many, many tines after 10:00 o'clock at night there's
nobody on that desk to answer the phone and many, many time during the day,
there's no one there who speaks Spanish to take that report which is very,
very important. I would say that Mr. Manager, that you could immediately
reduce by ten to twenty percent many, many calls that could be taken over a
telephone. Ye answer, what is it Chief, about 30 stolen cars a day...
Chief Anderson: Yes.
Mr. Plummer: ... is that what we're averaging?
Chief Anderson: Yes.
Mr. Plummer: Thirty stolen and out of those we are sending a policeman to the
scene in. Chief, in my 25 out of the 30 cases...
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Chief Anderson: The percentage is about, yes, correct, yes.
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Mr. Plummors OK, I don't understand why we have to send a policeman, which
has got to be at least an hour, to write a report on a stolen car on the
scene. All they're getting is the Information to put it out ever the ratio.
And that's where I's going to next. Those are the areas, Mr. MasWr, that i
feel that we can reduce the seed and trot it up to put these poliesswn back is }}��
to the area they're seeded.
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Mr. Plummer: ... to do I. at Budget.
Chief Anderson: I sgres.
Mr. Plummer. If we don't approve a million two, which is necessary to build
this to a hundred PSA9 right now, I guarantee you next year we'll still be
talking about it.
Mr. Odio: Commissioner, the only thing I have a problem with the hundred PSA,
I'll have to do whatever you want, is how do we know we need a hundred? Why
don't we let us come back and look and see where we can place these people.
We have 41 approved and how do we know we need 60 more, maybe we need only 20
right now that will...
Mr. Plummer: Because, Mr. Manager, what you're going to do is put more
patrolman on the street.
Mr. Odio: But how do you know...
Mr. Plummer: The visibility. Why did we give SO police care to take home?
Mr. Odio: But my question is, if you bring in 60 more PSAs, that doesn't
guarantee you're going to get to get 60 more police officers out.
Mr. Plummer: All. right. Mean man won't compromise. We're going to put in
the budget for a hundred. You come back and justify less than a hundred and
I'll vote to reduce it if you justify it, but I want to put it in the budget
so that it's there.
Mr. Odio: fine and I'll cane back with the manpower utilization which we are
doing now in every department, I don't know where we are right now on the
police department so that we know exactly how many man we need instead of
throwing just the number at it to say this is what is justifiable.
Mr. Plummser: I want to see it in the budget if it's a million two, a million
two. Chief, I really want - I'll tell you, you can use some of these PSAs to
take these reports. There's my vote for budget.
Mr. Odio: This is the figures that you requested from the county. We're
paying $16,000, all sixteen. And the county's paying $17,000, all 75 for
PSAs.
Mr. Plummer: Well, that's not a bad salary for a kid out of high school.
Mr. Odio: And I like the concept of the PSA because in most cases, those kids
go on to the training school for police officers and we have some
Mr. Plummer: Its' a hell of a good bull pan. Can we use some of the money of
the law enforcement fund?
Chief Anderson: No.
Mr. Odio: You cannot use any funds out of there to man...
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Mr. Plummer: What about training? Nov long does a PSA have to to through
school?
Chief Anderson: What is that, how long, Joe?
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Mr. Plummer: Your months?�L`L'
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Mr. Plummer: Chief, if we give you permission today, exrs" 1004 1�
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Mr. Plummet: to increase to a hwndrad, how long before we can sae...
Mr. Oswkina: Give it to his, we can't give it....
Mt. Plummer: I'm sorry, we got to give it to his. You don't get nothing.
Chief Anderson: Nothing....
Mr. Plumper: Now long before we're going to see Ms on the street?
Chief Anderson: If you give us...
Mr. Plummer: gee, I've got a problem with all this background checking you
do. OK, I scan, because that is an extensive, extensive program.
Chief Anderson: Well, you know why we do the background, check....
Mr. Plumser: And I have no quandary except the time you take to do it.
Chief Anderson: Woll, the reason why is because it's extensive and that we
are hoping that we will be able to hire these people as police officers so not
to...
Mr. Plummer: And I have no problem with that at all. I think you can cut the
time. OK? Secause you've got about eight policemen doing nothing but
background checks. Am I correct?
Chief Anderson: Well, they're doing a number of - yes. You've done your
homework so I'm not going to debate.
Mr. Plummer: For the last 16 years I've done my homework.
Chief Anderson: Teo, 1 know.
Mr. Plummer: Hey, that's where I am.
Chief Anderson: Yes, OK.
Mr. Ds Turre: Chief.
Chief Anderson: Tea.
Mr. De Yurre: I'm looking at the budget. I'm looking at a code number 035,
it says adjustment 1.3 million. I'd like to know what that is.
Chief Anderson: It's probably the...
Mr. Odio: That's the ammunition for the 61ock.
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Chief Anderson: Fifty dollars a south while the...
Ms. Plvms�r: Wait a minute, you're telling me a million three for ammunition
no way.
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Mr. llwmmts: No ray, no way.
Mr. Odio: That is the $50 in the contr$t - OK, we call it MasstdOtts
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Mr. Odio: it was called different in the,.
Mr. llVWWr: it has nothing to do +tits► toe filock.
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Mr. Odio: No, I'm sorry but it's training, it's for, it's an allowance - it's
the hazardous pay, that's ghat it is.
Mr. Plummer: Chief, why are we using Hialeah shoe - I'm sorry, Victor, why
are us using Hialeah shooting rents?
Chief Anderson: fecause of ventilation, really. We need to improve...
Mr. Plusmor: Nov such does it cost us to fix what we got?
Chief Anderson: I would assume not that such, but...
Mr. Plum r: Yell, why hasn't it been done? I mean the man that I've heard
for the last two weeks going out of service for three to four hours to go out
to the Hialeah shooting range it would seem like to me financially we would be
way ahead of the game to do whatever is necessary to bring them into our own
station.
Chief Anderson: I agree and immediately when I go back, I'm going to make
sure that that occurs.
Mr. Plummer: Vill we see it on the next agenda, Mr. Manager? Tau can't
Imagine the hours you're losing of sending these policemen out to Hialeah.
Chief Anderson: I agree. I agree. We're going to go back when I go back
we're going to look at it. It's just, I'm almost sure, a minor modification
of the range.
Mr. Plummer: I'd like to see it on Thursday's agenda, whatever an emergency
matter to get it fixed and get it operating again. It's costing you a lot of
money. I'm sorry, Victor.
Mr. Do Turre: Chief, I have another item here. Code number O30, overtime, an
Increase to two and a half million, an increase of $961,000 over last year's
budget. I'd like to have an explanation for that.
Chief Anderson: Well, the explanation is quite simple, that the more work,
the more productivity, the more that you're going to have overtime. That's
one of the bad things about increasing productivity is that there are certain
things associated with it that are not necessarily sound.
Mr. Odlo: Yell, most of it, the overtime and I've been fighting this overtime
In the police department for three years now is the courts and we provided
liaison officer, it's captain, what's the name of the singer, Captain...
Chief Anderson: The who?
Mr. Odio: The captain that we have assigned to the...
Chief Anderson: Palamera.
Mr. Odio: Palamera. Ve have reduced overtime in court but we still have to
keep officers going to court on duty and then we have to pay for the overtime
and that really hurts. And the more cases we have, the more overtime we're
going to have to pay and it seems that we try for night courts and...
Chief Anderson: We've tried everything. We've tried to - ve are constantly
adjusting hours, we've tried for night court, but contractually, with the POP
because of the agreements passed that it locks us into almost a three hour
minim%= which equates to about four hours, so that's almost an automatic on
days off, etc.
Mr. De Turret Now, we're just talking about days off. If they happen to be
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Mr. Odlo: If they're on duty but if they work overttwte, they got VS$4
overtime.
Mr. be Turre: No, but I'm if thsy have to go to court during the shift..$
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In. Wile they're working and they're called in, it's an oataal Mye" o
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Mr. be Turret No. so during the hours.
Chief Anderson: No, they don't have to. no. There's no cost.
Mr. De Turret Do we have a study as to how any police officers are supposed
to be on duty out in the streets are actually in court on any given time?
Chief Anderson: Do we have a study, Joe?
Mr. Odio: I think I saw something on that...
Mr. Plummer: What do you swan?
Mr. be Turret Weil, what I'■ saying is...
Mr. Plusamer: Now many are called in on duty?
Mr. De Turre: ... if a police officer is working right sow out on the street#
he's on duty and he has to go to court during that time, how Sony police
officers do we really have out there that are really in court and they aren't
doing the job that they're supposed to be doing?
Mr. Plummer: Well, I would say very few and it's based on the fact that most
of the time they're in court, it's traffic. In traffic their dates are get
six weeks in advance so that they do fall on a day off. Most of the times
when they're called in now it's other than traffic and that, of course, is at
the discretion of the judge.
Mr. Odio: But, what I understand if they're on that shift and
they're called in - say their shift ends at 4:00 and they're called into court
at quarter to four and they stay over an hour, they get paid for the hour.
Chief Anderson: Yes, actual...
Mr. Odio: Where we really lose control is on the subpoenas by the state
attorneys for them to appear at any time, any place and they have to be there.
Mr. De Turre: OK now, you tell as that - I don't know if I understand this
correctly, there's a contractual agreement that they get paid for three hours
automatically or something like that?
Chief Anderson: If they get called in on an overtime basis, on days off, etc.
and the scheduling is not conducive, yea, they get paid a minimum of three
hours.
Mr. Its Yurre: And up to?
Chief Anderson: Up to whatever actual time.
Mr. De Turret You know, P go to traffic court every once in a while and if
you're there more than an hour and a half, that's tops. And they get it at
overtime which is time and a half, or what?
Mr. Plummer: No, as I remembered is two years at time and a half
which works out to three. Regardless of how long they're there.
Chief Anderson: They can spend five minutes there.
Mr. Plummer: If they have a minimum of two hours at time and a half which
equates itself to three hours of pay.
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Mr. De Turre: And now we're talking about a 60 percent increase is overtime.
Mr. Odio: Well, it's really itot, Caswissioner, because the amended buftot+tet
this current year was because of we underfunded the overtime last "or so we
are really to not that such of on increase from tbias qurMt yWAo ,
year.
Chief Anderson: No, it was amended, I think, in March of 160. yes,
Mr. De Turre: Well, what was it...y'
Mr. Odlo: Actually, it's less - we're putting in less overtime monies than
the actual expenditures for this current year. The total amount that...
Mr. llumner: No, no, no. No, no.
Mr. Odio: now such did we spend this year? We spent this year 3 million
dollars and we're funding two and a half and we're funding two and a half for
sent year. And we're telling the police department we have to try to do that.
Mr. Tlummar: Tes, but also remember we've had three tragedies this year that
took up a tremendous amount of overtime, a tremendous amount.
Chief Anderson: Sxectly.
Mr. be Turre: OK. I want to get into the actual officers that we have with
the police department. Right now, we have currently what? A thousand thirty-
one? Nov, we have what? four academies throughout the year?
Chief Anderson: About four academies. We have one class scheduled for
September of this year with 27 recruits.
Mr. De Turre: Now many trainees do we have in these classes?
Chief Anderson: Well, it varies from 20 to 30 or - but now, I think we have
an actual figure of about 27 going in in September, in this month, the latter
part.
Mr. De Turre: OK, so you figure about a hundred a year go through the
training process?
Chief Anderson: About a hundred a year. And what you're talking about some
other factors of those people who successfully complete the academy. but
we're talking about a hundred, about ninety a year.
Mr. De Yurre: What percentage of the hundred or the ninety graduate and
become police officers?
Chief Anderson: Well, we expect to lose about maybe anywhere from ten to
fifteen percent of those people.
Mr. De Turre: So then, you're talking about that about gS actually get to
become police officers on an annual basis?
Chief Anderson: We're talking about maybe 70.
Mr. De Turre: Seventy?
Chief Anderson: Too.
Mr. De Turre: On an annual, basis.
Chief Anderson: Yes. If there's constant recruitment and constant placement
Into classes, yes.
Mr. De Turre: So we're talking about an increase of 70. You mentioned before
that there's an attrition rate of five per month...
Chief Anderson: Of five.
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Mr. be Turre: ... which equates to 60 officers per year.
Chief Anderson: Right.
Mr. Do Yurre: So, in this scenario, the most that we can bore for to on
Increase of tea police officers annually. Y
Chief Anderson: Well, I'm looking at if we're talking about %sU4, vot
actually talking about an increase of maybe 30 probsbly,*s"olwi' t gar
figure...
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good as a projected figure, but...
This is what we have
Mr. be Turret Well, we deal with sveragee and based on history.
Mr. Plummer: This year it's higher.
Mr. De Turre: More are going to be quitting.
Mr. Pltimmaer: This year we're averaging about six to sic and a halt a month.
Mr. be Turre: OK.
Mr. Plummer: Chief, you're giving his a minus figure.
Chief Anderson: I'm giving him a minus... Am I giving you a minus figure, we
don't want to do that.
Mr. Plummer: Wall, that's what I'm going to ask you. You said we have out of
the academy, roughly, on the street, seventy - that's what he said, ?0.
Mr. De Turre: On an annual basis, ?0 graduate.
Mr. Plummer: On an annual basis, seventy. Attrition of six, that's ?3,
you're minus three every year.
Mr. De Turre: Seventy-two.
Mr. Plummer: Now, I want to ask you how you do that.
Chief Anderson: Well, I think you caught me in the mo,"strap so I can't
explain that.
Mr. De Turre: Wall, OK, then, so actually, as far as the projection is
concerned, we're not going to have any additional police officers joining the
force. We're going to remain at the thousand thirty-one.
Mr. Odio: Mall, as I was told, we should have, by the end of September, 1054.
am I...
Chief Anderson: Yes.
Mr. Odio: One thousand and fifty-eight.
Mr. De Yurre: but from here to what period now?
Mr. Odio: He's adding 27 right now in September.
Mr. De Turre: No, they're graduating?
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Mr. Dawkins: You're not adding 27, you're putting 27 into the academy.
Mr. Odio: Well, they...
Mr. Dawkins: Now there's no way you can sit here and say that of the 27 that
you put into the academy, all 27 of them will come out of the academy and be
hired as 27 policemen. It doesn't happen that way. Or does it?
Chief Anderson: No, it doesn't.
Mr. Odlo: I don't know how many... ¢£ '
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In the academy. That's our problem.
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Mr. tlumner: Chief, give thew an idea. Let me tell you, you lot to know some
of the areas of problems, OK? Give thew an idea, Chief, for one person to be
put in the academy, how many people you have to interview to to through.
Chief Anderson: Oh, my goodness...
Mr. Plummer: I'll tell you, it's sixteen.
Chief Anderson: Wall, I was...
Mr. Plummer: No, sixteen. for every sixteen people that they interview
today, they get one into the academy. Now, over the past ten years, before it
was four to one with an 90 percent graduation rate. Today, the Chief was not,
in my estimation, at 10 to 19 percent loss after they get in the academy, it's
higher than that, almost 40 percent.
Mr. De Turre: OK, so I can get an understanding of this, we're looking at,
based on the figures that have been given to us here this morning, just now is
that there won't be any increase beyond the 1031. Because by the time these
27 graduate, then you take their - with the amount that don't get to graduate,
you might have 22 graduating. By the time they graduate, you've got 24 that
already, because of attrition are out.
Chief Anderson: Well, we're talking about right now but we're talking about -
what we're saying is that whatever formula that is necessary to increase our
manpower in adding individuals, we'll be doing that to increase our manpower
so we're going to be doing that. We're going to be looking at a figure and I
think that we stated that basically in the early part of my narrative that
it's going to require us sometime to do that. Now, I've been discussing with
Angela that a figure and a ratio that will be necessary in order for us to
maintain the complement of personnel and also to reach so we're - that's in
the discussion stage right now. In order to maintain, to reach a level of one
thousand and that's what I was basically addressing this morning and Rene I
think...
Mr. De Yurre: Eleven hundred.
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Chief Anderson: Well, we're talking - yes.
Mr. De Turre: What is it, eleven hundred or...
Chief Anderson: Eleven hundred, eleven hundred.
Mr. De Yurre: OK.
Chief Anderson: But I was talking about that figure that I mentioned of 129
and the gradual process in trying to reach that figure which will require a
certain amount of time but we've been working with Angela and Rene as to
testing of individuals, how rapid we can test individuals, how rapid we can
background people and also at a formula that would allow us to at least come
close to our budgeted strength of the 1100.
Mr. De Turre: Back in the early ISO's or since the early 80's, what has been
the highest amount of trainees in a class?
Chief Anderson: I think the figure has always been constant about 30 at the
wax. But the problem has been is that the rapidity and how rapid that has
been done which caused a problem in the SO's in that time span that it was
done too rapidly. Some people that possibly should not have been police
officers ended up being police officers.
Mr. Dawkins: You know, Chief, I hate to take the ssme offense to that vito
you I took with the other chief. You know, it irritates as to bear as say
that the reason that we have a police staff, police that's understaffed is
because during the SO's, the 701s, we dropped standards and etcetera so that
we could rapidly recruit people and we recruited a lot of ball iadivtdualb'.
Yet, sow of the best police officers on the force were recruited during that
saes ties and if it was a fact that that was a period when we recruited all
bad people, then everybody would be off the police department, So," yeu i?
the problem wasn't that we dropped standards and what have you, the psobl411s t
that we had s situation that we dealt with. Now, when they dropped all of the
Cuban refugees on us, we did not complain. Ye adjusted, we came out ameiling
like a rose. When the drug problem became rampant, and everybody decided to
become instant millionaires, it wasn't because we recruited weak people. It
was because the money was out there and everybody turned. So I for one and
this is just my personal opinion, do not believe that we recruited a lot of
Inferior people in the police department and that's why we are where we are.
Chief Anderson: I would have a tendency to agree with you because there were
some supervisory concerns and some other things that should have occurred to
keep those people in line. So, I would agree with you there.
Mr. Dawkins: The other part of it I want to say is and whether anybody agrees
with me or not, the - what's that thing where we put, the institute, right?
Chief Anderson: Right.
Mr. Dawkins: It's a bunch of racist individuals; has been, will be and has
been. Nov, from 1971 when I first went to Miami -Dade, they had a May of
excluding and eliminating minorities and they have not stopped and if you'll
look at the graduation rate of that institute, you will see where minorities,
they wash them out, and those they don't wash out they brain wash and they
don't have guts enough to stick it out and they wash out when they get to us.
So if you're really talking about recruiting people and retaining policemen,
you need to go out to that criminal justice system and see that the people
that we put out there are trained for what we want them trained for and
they're not brain washed and harassed and what have you. Now, that's Miller
Dawkins' opinion.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Manager, may I suggest that everybody behind us go ahead and
go to lunch, we're not going to get anything else between now and twelve. In
checking with the other members of the Commission that can come back, I think
we agree at the 2:00 o'clock would be to come back with the next one. So
everybody behind us can go ahead and get an early lunch. It's up to you, you
do what you want.
Mr. Dawkins: While he's on the phone, Mr. Manager - go ahead, Mr. De Turre.
Mr. De Turre: OK, I just want to get the point again, going back to the
class, he thought that the individuals were checked out in an expedited
situation and that was what you estimate wan the speeding up process back in
the early 60's. Now, were the academies increased at all from the four
annually?
Chief Anderson: Everytime we've had a sudden increase in authorization of
additional personnel, managerially we've tried to - we're not going to do that
now because that's why I've given you that time span of all the way up to 3
years. Managerially, we've tried to adjust rapidly to whatever that number
was and that's somewhat, in my opinion, what is a contributor to what got us
into a situation. Now, Commissioner Dawkins also mentions another area that
we also realize that part of that was supervision too.
Mr. De Turre: OK, now question. As far as the PSAs are concerned, you know,
the mention was made, I think J.L. mentioned that, you know, it's a great
salary for kids out of high school. But there are a lot of them that are, you
know, they're as old as I am, you know, we're not talking about the teenagers
Coming out of high school and becoming PSAs. Isn't that the case?
Chief Anderson: Yell, the majority of the people who we get are basically
youthful kind but...
Mr.
De Turre: OK, but
you get them
also to be police officers. I me" Ilks,
Isn't
that pretty much
the same type
of age bracket?
Chief Anderson: What
I*n saying is
that they're youthful, they're not so old
as
some of the Commissioners.
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Plummer: No, ho,
ho. Or the Chief. You're not going to Jive so",
don't
worry about it.
Mr.
be Turre: Of the
ones that are
PSAs right now, what is your position sa
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as taking than that have already X mount of training and those that Can
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bet into the academy moving them ahead and betting thew out on the street as
Polite officers.
Chief Anderson: Mere doing that. That's - yes.
Mr. Odio: We did that, Commissioner and like I said, I think it's a great
experience for a future police officer to have been a PSA. I know of two that
were working in City Mall that now - in fact, one of them is a member of the
youth gang details and he's very good. They have had that experience and I
think it's a great program.
Chief Anderson: That is what we're looking at to be our resource pool.
People who already know the system, people who already know how to roapood to
calls for service, who know how to write the reports, etc. and generally know
that the whole idea of police work. So that sort of had been a part of being
our reaource pool. So, we're looking at that as being part of our resource
pool.
Mr. Do Turre: OK, let N ask you, what is the starting pay for a police
officer in the City of Miami?
Mr. Odio: I believe it's twenty - is it twenty five?
Chief Anderson: Twenty-three, I think. We're talking about 25.6, $25.677.
Mr. Plummer: Nov ask the real number.
Mr. De Turre: That includes...
Mr. Odio: Plus.
Mr. De Turre: OK, what's the plus? Give u all the...
Mr. Odio: The last time I heard, it was S1 percent.
Mr. Do Turn : Fifty-one, so that's another $13,000.
Mr. Plummer: Thirty-nine.
Chief Anderson: Where we're looking at the actual figure...
Mr. De Turre: So we're talking about around thirty and...
Mr. Plummer: Thirty-nine.
Chief Anderson: .., the actual figure that we have here is like $37,922.
Mr. Plummer: Your figure's wrong.
Chief Anderson: OK.
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Mr. De Turre: OK, wall, round figures for...
Mr. Plummer: Thirty-nine. ,
Mr. Do Turre: Thirty-nine?
Chief Anderson: Thirty-nine.
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Mr. Do Turre: OK, let's look at $40,000 in round figures. Now, we ,hosrri
now a thousand thirty-one police officers.
Chief Anderson: Correct..::
Nr- be Turre: Now many, with all that we've talking about the attrition aid
the actual expectancy of the graduating classes is this tisaoi r,ti►ir "w"o N!#
'96-'g9, where do you expect the iser'saae to go? We have 1031, M*M*
consideration the attrition rate and the cadets graduating tram tho d4649, �x
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Be? Can we really expect that we're going to to boyo*A Ali officers that we
have right Nov?
Chief Anderson: Oh, yes, without a doubt. I think eo. Tou was with
attrition and all those things accounted for?
Mr. be Turret With attrition and everything.
Chief Anderson: We're - yes.
Mr. De Turret Now high do you think it will go from the 1031?
Chief Anderson: With the current class?
Mr. Do Turret Well, with this coming year.
Chief Anderson: Well, it's almost - we're only talking about 27 paoplo, we're
only talking about one class this particular year.
Mr. De Turret Oh huh.
Chief Anderson: but in the other year, the upcoming year, I think that we
should probably get to a figure close to, and I'■ not saying we're talking
about maybe a thousand sixty or a thousand because I mentioned earlier...
Mr. De Turret A thousand sixty including attrition and everything you figure
we can get to a thousand sixty.
Chief Anderson: I think so with some good rapid backgrounding and whatever.
Mr. De Turret OK. Mr. City Manager, Cesar. What is budgeted in this
proposed budget for sworn officers? For how many officers do we have?
Mr. Odio: We have - I believe the way we did it is based on people actually
entering the...
Mr. De Turret Academy.
Mr. Odio: ... police force.
Mr. De Turret The police force, OK.
Mr. Odio: go, we do not have a total dollars here for 1150 officers. We have
budgeted according to actual manpower in place because...
Mr. Dawkins: There's an error in your budget.
Mr. Odio: And what we did is - no, it is not an error. If you look in page
99, I think it will show you'how we did it.
Mr. De Turret Well, it says here, this department...
Mr. Odio: And what we did is, we took then $3,000,000 of salary savings up
front to keep the budget in line. As it was done - as some other people in
the past said, they had - everybody has a different style, I guess, of doing.
If you had asked for 1100 police officers they would have put a nusibar 1100
times 40,000 and that would be in the budget. But since that is not a'
realistic thins, what we did is we go in according to actual manpower in
place. The total budget at the and of 'gg that we feel they would oad up with
ten sixty-four and we had dollars in there for that and we were eeustisg ai d
maybe by the and of 189, we would end up with 1114 sad he's ssyifg tbst bil
might end up with 1100. This is only a projection.
Mr. Do Turret No, be's saying be's going to *ad up with 1000, the%,$ Mist �
he's saying. `ot=
Mrs. Kennedy: Yes, tboy're all different figurae•;
Mr. Do Turret OK.
Mr.
Odle: rise, but these are projeetiens. we, as we said...
Mr.
Ds Turre: I knew but we - dollars are a reality...
Mr.
Plusmer: Well...
Mr.
be Turre: ... and it we're going to be approving a budget, it•a got to be
used on semething.
Mr.
Odio: Ve do not have dollars in place to hire 1150 officers right now.
Mr.
be Turre: OK then, why do we mention 1150?
Mr.
Odio: That is the total authorised positions but we budgeted according to
what they told us they could have in place.
Mr.
De Turre: Which is?
Mr.
Odlo: Vhich is at the end of 'go they said they would have 1064 and at
the
end of 109 as we did the budget it was 1114.
Mr.
Do Turre: OK, but it's not going to be 1114, it's going to be 1060.
Mr.
Odio: So it'll be 1100 or 1060...
Mr.
De Turre: So we're talking about 54 positions.
Chief Anderson: Veil, the figure's right in line. I said 1060, 1064.
Mr.
De Turre: All right now - fifty four positions time 40,000...
Mr.
Odio: Tes, and that's exactly what I'm going to use the money for.
Mr.
be Turre: That's over $2,000,000.
Mr.
Odio: Veil, that's what we're going to use the money for the PSAs, right?
Mr.
be Turre: Veil no...
Mr.
Odic: Oh, yes.
Mr.
De Turre: No, not quite.
Mr.
Odio: Oh, yes, sir.
Mr.
De Turre: No.
Mr.
Dawkins: We didn't tell you to use the PPA...
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Mr.
Odlo: No, he told me tq hire...
Mr.
Dawkins: We didn't tell you to...
Mr.
Odio: Well, he told me to hire another 80 PSAs and that is exactly where
the
money's going to come from.
Mr.
De Turre: Well, certainly, it can't cost as much as a police officer.
Mr.
Odio: It's going to cost the 60 - we have 21 in place - we're going to
fund another $9. We need a million two.
Mr.
De Turre: Too, and hay long does it talcs to train these kids? s "°
Mr.
Pluomer: Oh, oh...
Mr.
Odin: It's $ois,$ to take time to put them in trainiag.`
Mr.
be Turre: hell, then, you're loohisg at the •slM "tom.
at
this, we hart 2 million dollars that Ore no; going to be .�a
fiscal
year.
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Mr.
Odic: No.
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Mr. Dawkins: that's right.
Mr. lurena: If I may. when we prepared the budget...
Mr. Dawkins: It's sot a matter of cutting the - hold it, hold it, hold it.
It's sot a Mutter of cutting the police budget, it's a matter of giving us
same facts and figures up here. Now, as he said, it's 2 million dollars out
of sync and sow you say you're going to use that 2 million dollars to pay for
PSAs that were never in the budget, that Commissioner Plummer demanded of this
morning.
Mr. Odio: No, I think you're...
Mr. Dawkina: to, you know, talk in those terms.
Mr. Odio: I'm talking in those terms, Commissioner. I said that we budgeted
1064. That they told me that they ware going to shoot the....
Mr. Dawkins: They who now, tell me who they is.
Mr. Odio: The police department.
Mr. Dawkins: All right, go ahead.
Mr. Odio: When we went to the budget process that we would try to have 1114
at the end of this next budget year. OK, we also cut them $S00,000 from the
projected overtime and now I'm told that we have to add 59 PSAa. It's got to
come from somewhere. What I said whatever police officers we do not hire
because of the mechanism that we have in place that is too slow, then I can
use those funds to hire PSAs.
Mr. Dawkins: but supposingly, sir, that we do hire, that we can accelerate
the hiring process...
Mr. Odio: Than we'd better leave the budget alone.
Mr. Dawkins: ... and if we do hire those individuals, where will the money
come from for the PSAs? Now, that's what I
Mr. Odio: Then I have to go out and find the money.
Mr. Dawkins: Well, that's what you need to do. You need to find that now and
don't bother with the money for the policeman.
Mr. Odio: Well, what ha's saying is - well, but I was answering his question
Is that, well, we have 2 million dollars left over. No, we don't.
Mr. De Turret Well, you explained to me where it's not. Obviously, we had
the money set aside for officers that are not going to be in existence during
this fiscal coming year.
Mr. Odio: We did not set the money aside like that, Commissioner. I said
that we figured out - let me give you a theoretical example...
Mr. be Turret No, so give me the reality.
Mr. Odio: No, No, I'■ going to give you....
Mr. De Turre: I want to deal in reality.
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Mr. Odiot Lot me explain to you how the budget was prepared. We snit t ,is ^?
October let, we might have two hundred and forty, the Next class would 41000,4
four swaths later, we would odd smother 27 plus and thot'a lm this
prepared.
Mr. Do Turret Olt, we're not taking attsitim Late cono,idar4tioa.,
Mr. Odio: And taking the .attrition in consideration.
Mr. be Turret No, no, No. No attrition, you're taking 27 as s tot$l :
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Mr. Odiot Tos, we did. go, we took attrition into consideration.
Mr. Do Turret Cossr, 27 is the most you can have. That's 27 members and it
you're adding 27, you're sot taking attrition into consideration.
Mr. Odio: Ye did not budget it that way.
Mr. be Turret No?
Mr. Odio: We did not budget that way.
Mr. be Turret OK, then it's not budgeted properly.
Mr. Odic: break down the - Joe, is Longueira...
Chief wndersont Joe? Teo, he's...
Mr. Odiot Is Masuer here or who's handling that part - give his an exact
breakdown on how the police officer, now officers ware added less attrition
Into the budget.
Mrs. Kennedy: before we do that, Mr. Manager, to set the record straight, on
page 97 whor* it says, 0... the department consists of 1S - 117 total
positions of which 1150 are sworn.* That is incorrect.
Mr. Odio: If you look at page 99, Commissioner, it's police operations. It
shows that the police —
Mr. Plummer: Victor, just for your information, I think you ought to have
another f igure.
Mr. De Turret Might as well.
Mr. Plummer: The average cost of a policeman, average, is $56,000.
Mr. Odic: Well, that's true.
Mr. Do Turret With a car and...
Mr. Plummer: No, no, no. That's the cost of the man. The average cost of
the man to the taxpayers of the City of Miami In $56,000. '.
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Mr. De Turre: Police person.
Mr. Plummer: They usually sake more.
Mr. furans: Commissioner, I think I can explain it, I can explain it.
Mr. Do Turret Give it a shot.
Mr. Surana: If we had to fund 1100 police off icors for a full year, it will
cost us $41.4 million dollars and there are 322 non sworn positions, for a
full year will cost roughly 9 million dollars and due to union negotiations,
which is longevity, is costing another half million dollars. So if
we have to fund 1422 positions for a full year, it will require about 51
million dollars. This also includes a funding SO additional police officers
for 3 months. So we took the 51 million dollars and based on attrition, se we ..
know for the last two or three years, they going to save about 3 million
dollars. to we put in the budget roughly 48 million dollars. If we are to
fund everything for a full year. need about Sl million dollars.
Mr. Odiot to we took the savings up groat, that's wban we propared the
budget.
ji.
Mr. to Turret Than we're just not - swabs" is not telling Vo prre�t�r• 9�" �•
If Volvo going to to owt to the pews sod say we arm OO&M ttwas"! is � � <
police otlicors and w know tbet's not -P,- toiag to kepM4, U
don't *van b*w the sn"y for that to be"*&, Uwiro'a #eumtb#tg. M h}
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Mr. Suranst No. we bows the money.
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Mr. be Turre: Tom just told M you don't have it.
budgeting for 49 million instead of 51.
you tell me,you're
Mr. Surans: OR, but if they keep hiring at the end of the year, they sight
have eleven hundred.
Mr. De Turre: Where is that money going to come from?
Mr. Surans: The money is there.
Mr. Odic: At the end of the year, the money Mould be in plsce. What we don't
do is put the money up front knowing...
Mr. Surana: We're not fully funding all the position.
Mr. De Turre: What's going to happen with that money at the end of the year?
Mr. Surana: 11e are sot fully funding, we are not fully funding...
Mr. Odlo: We are not fully funding.
Mr. De Turre: Mold it, hold it, hold it. At the end of the year, we never
got the extra officers that we're talking about. Whet happens to that money?
Mr. Surane: It goes as a surplus.
Mr. Odic: It goes into fund balance.
Mr. De Turre: More surplus.
Mr. Plummer: Wait, wait, wait, now, you're killing yourself.
Mr. Odic: No, that's not...
Mr. De Turre: Well, let his go ahead and kill himself.
Mr. Plummer: No, no, no, no, come one, I can't do that. Tou had over a
million dollars of that so called surplus that went into overtime.
Mr. Odic: That's right.
Mr. Surana: Right.,
Mr. Plummer: So it didn't go into surplus as a slush fund, it went in for
other activities in the police department that went over - look, budgets are
nothing but a projection, OK? Nov, when you had a so called savings, not a
surplus, a savings...
Mr. Surana: Right.
Mr. Plummer: That money didn't go into a slush fund...
Mr. Surans: No.
Mr. Plummer: ... it went in, for example, a million dollars in overtime, some
other projects that they were able to do. So, you know, that's where you
balance out and if you don't, you know you should call it the contiagency,
that's what it should be.
Mr. Odio: You don't want to project so close that like if this current year
we were in where the budget amount of overtime alone was overrun by two and a
half million dollars, we would have been in serious problems. 3
Mr. Dawkins: The only thing that I find wrong with it is that se Cem•issideog
Do Turre has pointed out, it is a contingency fwd but yet we to wt Set
credit with the voters for the eontiatoney Sued. We evastsstly sN iw-�. '
paper where the administration saved X somber of dollars `
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ss when it should be spelled out exactly is everything 40 Iftot MAR. JWt:'A#�It.�
Aad then everybody will understand what happsmed.
Mr. be Turre: ?be bottom line is that you are goiag to tAw the etiIli
dollars for the officers that are being project*,!. it we "Is
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offiears, then you have the extra money that is nor being used and at the sad
of the year it goes into the surplus fund. Correct?
Mr. Surana: Any money, any depart...
Mr. be Turre: Answer yes or no.
Mr. Duress: Too, air. Tes. sir.
Mr. be Turre: OR, don't mks so become a prosecutor here than I get
criticised by the editorial boards. Mow...
Mr. tlummort Ahhhhh.
Mr. be Turro: Oh, the sooty pack, the nasty pack. Now, h point is that
we're sous to the taxpayers and asking them to pay the extra 2 million
dollars and according to the numbers we have here, they're not going to be
used. They're just not going to be used and I have a problem with that. You
kaow, if we have 2 million dollars that there's no way physically that we can
have the police officers this year, then I want to go back to the taxpayers
and say, listen, you're going to be paying 2 million dollars less this year.
Mr. Suroust Commissioner, we have already taken up front 3 million dollars
from police department budget. That's based on knowing up front that they
weren't able to have 1100 bodies the whole year so we did not fund 1100
positions for a full year. We took a savings up front.
Mr. Do Turre: What you're telling me that you're holding that stoney.
Mr. Suranst No, no, we are not holding that money, no, no, no. We already
reduced police budget.
Mr. be Turro: The what?
Mr. surans: We have already reduced police budget, the budget you're looking
right now, OK, is 3 million dollars funded loss.
Mr. be Turre: OK, than why do we have requested for 189-189, 1114 police
Officers? Now, I's the average Joe out there, I'm on S.W. 8th Street right
Now. Tau explain this to me.
Mr. Odic: The goal at the end of the year is to have 1114, that's the goal.
Mr. be Yurre: And we have the money for that.
Mr. Odic: And it would be in place.
Mr. Surana: Teo, we have the money.
Mr. be Turret And we have the money for that. Now he's Just told us that we
ain't going to have more -than 1060, so it means that we have 54 police
officers, their money sat aside that We Not going to be used. tight or
wrong? Right or wrong?
Mr. Odic: Yes, but that's with attri...
Mr. Do Turret OK, yes...
Chief Andersont No, I'■ not cutting my - Casar, I'a Not...
Mr. De Turre: No, he's just tolling it the way it is.
Chief Aadsrsoa: yes, yes, let , what...
Mr. tlummer: Quit stuttering.
Chief Andaraost No, I'a Not, Ion going to explain this very cilarly. *to a
guy who is an operational person. I carry out my rospeasibilitlos be*" upon
what we have to do that with within those constraint. ?loam, q =ap as bell* s �
budgetary individual, Mano, you have to explain that and I'a not tot" to 40
that. :o you have to explain to the Commissioners about the di#laat+I�apd ,
sooty. Mow. if you tell me...'
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Mr. Plummer: Nano...
Chief Anderson: ... I have an, wait a stout*. If you tell se so I's sot
going to got into this kind of rhetoric that if you how*, if you outhoris* so
to how* a thousand people. I mean, 1100 people, I work towards that end. but
I'■ not going to got into the salaries, savings and all of those other things
that I'm sot supposed to, so I'm just telling you that I'■ looking at a
projected figure of 1064 police officers. The difference in between that has
to be done by somebody else who has the authority to do that. That's not my
responsibility to do that.
Mr. Plummer: Tou have a budget department within the police department.
Chief Anderson* Yes, I understand that but what I's saying, if you give me,
I'm an operational individual, if you give me, and you're right, but if you
give se what we have done is projected that we will haw* 1064 as of this year
cowing.
Mr. Plummer: You know where the Wick stops?
Chief Anderson: but what the Commissioner's question is, somewhat different
from that, his question is, OK, you're looking at an 1100 figure. If I'm
wrong, you lot so know. You're looking at an eleven hundred figure, somewhere
In between the difference of 1064 there or* some monies to be realised and
saved. Now. what's going to happen with those *onto*? I understand that very
clearly, but it's not my responsibility to explain that.
Mr. Plummer: Chief, last year you had 1100 projected budget. The simple
answer is, 1100 which we did not attain, how such money was a carry over from
last year's police budget?
Chief Anderson: Yes, Nano.
Mr. Surana: Lot's look for this year, OK?
Mr. Plummer: I was looking for a number.
Mr. Surana: About right now they got 1031 positions and we budgeted 1100. so
70 positions they did not fill.
Mr. Plummer: OK, so how such carry over did you how* from the overall police
budget last year? The answer is a million dollars short.
Mr. Surana: In overtime accounts so we used the salary savings, right.
Mr. Plummer: Exactly.
Mr. Surana: We saved the money and pay out the overtime.
Mr. Plummer: Chief, when vas the last time you did a sting operation?
Chief Anderson: Last time was...
Mr. Dawkins: Well, your time is up. This is Commissioner Do Turre's time.
Mr. Plummer: Oh, I'■ sorry, I thought you war* finished.
Mr. Do Turret I'll be finished, you know, when we got to the public hearings.
That's where I'■ going to be finished. You know I'm looking at...
Mr. Plummer: When was the last sting operation?`
Mr. be Turret ... Z million dollar savin
gs to the raters and to the eitlsgst
and the taxpayers. That's what I'■ looking for in this by the tUW 1rs'xg .
through with this. s
Chief Anderson: We weeks ago I think.
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Mr. Plummer: Two weeks ago? And where was that atiegt
Chief Anderson: In the north end. e
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Mr. Plummer: When was the last time you did one in Coconut Grove?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAIDZR: w don't hove too many.
Chief Anderson: I'd have to do some research. It's been a while.
Mr. Plummer: Mould you like to meet me down in Coconut Grove at one of three
istersections tonight?
Chief Anderson: The problem is, we have to do a different kind of approach in
the Grove. Most of the people who frequent sting operations are basically
done with people who are not familiar with the...
Mr. Surana: OK.
Mr. Odio: Put that on the record.
Mr. Plummer: Was was the last ono in the Grove?
Chief Anderson: It's been some time.
Mr. Plumm@ r: Mow long is it going to take you to Sot people that are familiar
with the Grove? Like yourself, where you were born?
Mr. Dawkins: And Frank Taylor.
Chief Anderson: We'll be doing one in there, in the Grove, very soon.
Mr. Plummer: Those three intersections are still open drug stores.
Chief Anderson: Tou're talking about Grand and Percival.
Mr. Plummer: You know exactly where they are.
Chief Anderson: Tes, OK, all right.
Mr. Dawkins: OK, Nano.
Mr. Surana: Too, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: What was budgeted for police uniforms last year?
Mr. Surana: Eleven hundred positions - those positions are partially funded.
Mr. Dawkins: Sir?
Mr. Surana: Eleven hundred positions.
Mr. Dawkins: Nov such money was budgeted for police uniforms last year?
Total amount of money budgeted for police uniforms.
Mr. Surana: One second, sir. Eleven hundred positions.
Mr. Odio: Look at the line items.
Mr. Surana: Huh? What, 39 million? It's 39 million?
Sworn officers, eleven hundred.
IMAUDISLE COMMENTS NOT ENTERED INTO THE MLIC RECORD.
of. Surana: Funding, funding. Uniform.
Mr. Odle: Yhst is the question? Uniforms, look at the...
UNINWIFIED SPEAKER: ��- say uniforms, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: Uniforms. Uniforms.
What's the budget?
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Mir. Suss: Too, 1100 positions, what's the .(wN*s 1
Mr. Dawkins: Yes, that thing like he pet oa up tDese.
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=IDMMTITIn USAIEM: Uniforms, Masol
Mr. Odio: Look at the lifts item.
UMINWIrIZO SPRAXIKR: $339,000-
a-. Dawkise: Muh?
fi1ID&n2ITISD StSAKZM: $339,000.
Mr. Dawkins: Three hundred - bow much last year?
UpIDMITIID SPRAK=R: =339,000.
Mr. Dawkins: $339,000.
Mr. Surasa: Teo, right.
Mr. Dawkifts: Now mach was spent? go, no, no, don't tell me almost all.
Alst' so way in bell almost all.
IMAUDIILS COMl1SNTS MOT ZMTSRZD INTO THE MLIC RZCORD.
Mr. Dawkins: All right, eight - all right, now bring me a copy of iftvoice
eighty-two thousand, take $2,000 from 339,000. OK. so $2,000. now what's
budgeted this year?
Mr. Odio: The same amount, Commissioner.
Mr. Surana: No. we got three fifty.
Mr. Odlo: Three fifty.
Mr. Dawkins: All right, so now, all right, I want three fifty, I vast $7,000
added to that.
Mr. Odio: wait, Commissioner, I...
Mr. Dawkins: No. no. no. I want - for this police budget, I want $97,000
added to the police uniforms budget.
Mr. Odio: I think there is a commitment already for this year to buy the
amount that is left in September.
Mr. Dawkins: I'll tell you something - OK, well then, but...
Mr. Odio: Is there an item on the agenda?
Mr. Dawkins: well, you're saying the same thing I's saying. sir.
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Mr. Odlo: wait, let ma check - no, September, I believe on Thursday you might
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have an agenda Item expending that money, right?
Mr. Dawkins: Sir, sir. sir.
Mr. Odlo: Teo.
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Mr. Dawkins: I want every man who was supposed to have gotten five uniforms
lost year to get five uniforms and It be's supposed to got five
want bin to get five. I don't vast bin that be didn't get five thle "or #�►0
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he gets five next year. I don't vast that. Olt? to, whatever - nw,
have saws money left ever because You b"kt the upifopow, I have no,�
with your backlog it out and doing wbst you Manz Re do With ix• � ��� :"� �
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Mr. Odio: what I'm saying, Cammissioser...
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Mr. Ogwkiaos Net taks 167.000 and add it to the Ms it d of apt
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Mr. Odin: Let me explain. Commissioner. Next Tlaufcedey yeU'se "004,
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Mr. Dawkins: me, I'm sot.
Mr. Odio: It's in the agenda. we are buying the uniforms.
Mr. Dawkins: but you see - so, see, what we're doing next Thursday is we're
also appreviag your now budget and next year, I'll still be $82,000 Wort.
no, I'm set going through that, Mr. Manager.
Mr. Odios What I'm saying is, in the agenda whore we're buying the uniforms
for this year...
Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Manager...
Mr. O6102 ... the only money is gone, Commissioner.
Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Manager, add $87,000 for uniforms and if everybody got every
uniform he was supposed to get this year and every uniform that be's supposed
to get next year and you got $67,000, then you got $87,000 to start out the
uniform budget with. OK, now along with .7.L.'s TSA aides and we're going to
get $07.000 for uniforms. Now many autos are we short?
Chief Anderson: We're no automobiles short.
Mr. Odio: Automobiles?
Mr. Surana: It's not there.
Mr. Dawkins: All right, how many motors?
Chief Anderson: No motors short.
Mr. Dawkins: Now many mounted police do you have?
Chief Anderson: What's the figure now? Twelve, I think, but we're sot abort.
Mr. Dawkins: Twelve? How many officers do we have in the mounted patrol
unit?
Mr. Odio: Somebody better explain to Commissioner Do Yurre the police budget.
Mr. Suranas Yes Cost of 20, thirty, thirty...
Chief Anderson: I think it's around twelve, the figures' twelve.,
Mr. Dawkins: Twelve?
Chief Anderson: Yes.
Mr. llummars Twelve?
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Chief Anderson: Yes.
Mr. Plummer: That's sworn personnel.
Chief Anderson: Right.
Mr. Plummer: Now may total in the mounted patrol
unit? k"
Chief Anderson: Are we talking about clerks and
everytbing like that or its
just ....
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Ms. Plummer: Too, wbat s the total soot I this&
is Mlat yoy+re asi
is the total cost tum
o the taKpayors of the mst*d
until wbLdh s2 x°
on the street?
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Chief Anderson: tall, you're talkies about
to*"* me
supervisors 1 would assume...
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Ns. Surewa: Six hundred thousand
Chief Anderson: ... one supervisor, and a lsborer, a groom, groomer. so
you're talking about is people, sixteen people.
Mr. Plummar: Well, that's Just people. What is the total cost of the mounted
patrol to the taxpayers of the City of Miami?
Chief Anderson: No, it's more than that including salaries. We're talking
about a half million dollars, I would assume.
Mr. Plummer: Now much?
Chief Anderson- A half a million.
Mr. Plummer: You're talking more than that, such more than that.
Chief Anderson: Teo.
Mr. Plummer: What about all the trucks that they're running?
Mr. Dawkins: Get that for us, will you please? All right, now, what is the
status of the completion of the north and south police station and where are
we within the budget to get it completed?
Chief Anderson: Well, we're talking about January...
Mr. Dawkins: No, let Joe handle it.
Chief Anderson: Go on, Joe.
Lt. Longuoira: Commissioner, on the north c- bstation I talked to the
contractor the other day; we're looking at January opening for that station.
Mr. Dawkins: Where are we with the money?
Lt. Longuaira: At this time, I believe, we're coming to the Commission to
finalise a resolution they passed on appropriation for sours additional funds
for...
Mr. Dawkins: No way, you're not going to - see, this is what we've been
telling you...
Lt. Longuoira: I know, but it...
Mr. Dawkins: And this is what I want to bring up so that media and everybody
will know. This is why we say that - this is why I continue to say that the
public needs to understand about the $80 million dollars baseball bond, OK?
The people passed a five million dollar bond issue and we didn't have but $5
million. Nov, that's all the voters voted for and now you guys have gone over
the $5 million and now you want to go out and sell the public on another bond
Issue that when you get that bond issue because it costs more money to build a
baseball stadium, you're going to reach in the hat and get some sore. You're
being unfair to the people. Nov you had, and Mr. Manager, this to for your
Information. you had a architect and you guys were supposed to pay that
architect to come in and bring this station in under the amount of money and
this guy brought it in and you all fired him. You have an architect who says
that this building can be done within the allocated amount of money and you're
coming before the Commission and you've got three people on the Commmission who
know that the people said, only five million dollars, and they're going over
the five sillion. Why?
Lt. Longuaira: Commissioner, like we explained last time, the delay in ties,
the increase in cost, the problems we had with the architect, all I can toll ;b
you at this =3
y point is, I need the additional meaty to complete those projects. ;
OK? The south substation to even worse. With the land costs, On am* K l%iip
clean up, the delay in time.... "g
Mr. Dawkins: Well, Mutt
station since... additional,
are you looking at, an additional for the
Lt. Longusira: There we're looking at about $200,000. I
agenda item coming up at the meeting. YOU pawed the res...
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Mr. Dawkins: Aad the $200,000 will complete the south station and have an
operation that you walk into it.
Mr. Odio: That's what we were told, yea, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: No, no, no, no. you sea, now I want all of this on the record,
see, because I may not be the Comelssioner...
Mr. Odio: Teo, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: ... I slay be outside looking at this.
Mr. Odio, Us.
Mr. Dawkins: say what now?
Mr. Odio: They said that that would finish the station.
Lt. Longusira: Commissioner, if we now* on a time schedule, clean up that
site, proceed with construction which hasn't started and, at this point, we
don't know when it's going to start, until the state approves the cleanup, and
we don't have any problems with cost increases yet at $200,000 nor.., when it
goes before the Co mission and you vote on it, you'll have the exact figures.
I don't have the exact figures today but it's coming to the Commission. you'll
have all of those figures. The same figures about that you approved last
time, the Commission approved it. I understand you didn't approve it, I can't
help that.
Mr. Dawkins: No, but I also, but see, I can't help it. But I also must point
out to the voters who voted for me and voted for the bond issue because I
asked them to, that we, and the majority - when a majority vote, that's us,
and we voted to expend more than $5 million dollars. So how can the public
have faith and confidence in us in other bond issues when we're not going to
do the same thing? That's all I'm saying. See, but I do blame you and the
Manager for allowing this to happen. See, you and the Manager were given
direct orders that these stations were to come in under budget and it anybody,
the public wants to fire anybody, they should get rid of you two. See,
because you two were the two who allowed this to happen. OK and so I have no
problems with it, but I will continue, as long as I'm here, to let the public
know that we, the Commission, did not hold true to the promise we made to them
when we they passed the bond issue. Now, what* is the money coming from. I
mean, how such is in the budget budgeted, for lights, water, janitorial
services and other maintenance costs for the north station?
Mr. Surana: It's a small amount. Roughly about...
Mr. Dawkins: Mere getting ready to gat it, what is it?
Mr. Surana: For electricity, roughly $14,000, water $2,600. custodial
supplies 56,000. Total of 322,650.
Mr. Plummer: A month.
Mr. Butane: For a total, for next fiscal year.
Mr. Dawkins, No way, no way, come on, cams on, Nano.
Mr. Plummer: Tour* telling me that you're going to run that substation for
$1.000 a month electricity? No way, My house is $300.
Chief Anderson: Mama, you've sot to soon better than that. M
Mr. Butane: That's the sumber I got. Yell verify this sumisr, tAat�s tom►
number we got from the polio* department. .,
Mr. Dawkins: TOG Sot tram the computer department:
Mr. Butane: Polls* department.
Mr. Dawkins: All risbt. let m* asic you a quastiag, lf+i" � ¢
services, who's in her* from
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at. Plummer: Lev, that par month.
Mr. $"ran&: 06,000 only supplies.
Mr. Dawkins: Dog your pardon?
Mr. loran*: $6,000 for Janitorial supplies only.
Mr. Dawkins: OK. Mr. Williams, off the top of your head, I don't need no
figure, I know you're guessing, I mean off the top of your hood, what would it
take janitorial services for that number of square fast a year?
Mr. Ron Williams: Art you speaking in house, Comissionor, or do you want
outside contract?
Mr. Pluamaer: Which way are you going to go?
Mr. Dawkins: Which aver way you go, air.
Mr. Willisma: Just a wild guess...
Mr. Dawkins: Tes, that's all.
Mr. Williams: Just a wild guess, would clearly be in excess of $5,000, I
would believe.
Mr. Dawkins: In excess. Way in - no, no, how such in excess since you're
going to be - I'm going to see how wild you're going.
Mr. Williams: I agree with you, way in excess.
1; Mr. Dawkins: OX...
Mr. Plummer: Are you talking about a month or a year?
Mr. Williams: A year.
Mr. Plumper: $5,000 a year?
Mr. Williams: Way in excess of $5,000 a year.
Mr. Dawkins: Thank you, sir. All right now, what are you paying to class ths
present jail, Janitorial service, police station, I mean?
Mr. Williams: The police station, the last contract, I think, was in the
neighborhood of $12.000-$13,000 per month.
Mr. Dawkins: Per mouth.
Mr. Williams: Too.
Mr. Dawkins: All right, that's $120,000. OK? So now, let's gust cut this
one in half since this station may be half the other one. You're talking
about $60,000.
Mr. Williams: To*, but I think it's a little loss than half the sire,
Coomissiosor, if I understand what I've soon on it. Too, I'm told it** s let
less.
Mr. Dawkins: OK. All right. then let's say that $45,Q0 twa,.•a
and it ain't so loss than that now. to that's $45,000, now, onto ! mo,-i
that's $$1,000. 09, now what about the lights?
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Or. $uraass It's a partial twwLst, it's pet for a ton par,
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Mr. Dswkina: Say ghat sear? Say what?
Mr. suranet It's sot for a full year.
Mr. Pluswer: It's ten months.
Mr. Dawkias: Why is it S months?
Mr. Plummer: Prow January 1 to October 1 is tes months.
Mr. Dawkins: It's ten months, 10 months.
Mr. Plumeer: Or nine?
Mr. Dawkiss: Nine, OK, nine.
Mr. surasa: Minn.
Chief Anderson: You know, I don't moan for this to be lose serious but it's
amazing to se how the budget people start looking at as.
Mr. Plummer: Too, because you've got your own budget people.
Chief Anderson: I got my budget people, I understand that, but we're...
Mr. Odic: Perry.
Mr. Plummer: Where were they? They give the projections to them.
Mr. Odic: Perry. You and I need to get together after this nesting. I'll
explain to you how this is done.
Chief Anderson: Yes, yes, that's what I'm saying, you, I agree, I agree.
Mr. Dawkins: OK, bow such money are we going to put in the budget for
maintenance of the substation?
Mr. Plummer: Let me give you a projection. If you don't put $100,000 a
month, you're going to be short. Hey, by the tine they put in a motor pool
and you've got personnel for motor pool, you've got all of those other things
that are going to go into it, you're going to be damn near $100,000 a month
per substation.
Mr. Dawkins: GX, well that's all right. All right, now when we cows to the
public hearing, this money - hey, you guys better do that at lunch, you all go
to lunch. I'll buy your lunch.
Mr. Plummer: Joe, how many square fast in the new substation?
Lt. Losguelra: Almost 22,000, sir.
Mr. Plummer: 22,000, my house is three, so figure; your electric bill has got
to be in that place, at least, at least $2500 a month. At least.
Mr. Dawkins: OK, one more thing, Chief Anderson. Chief, it's 12:15, we're
trying to get out of here by 12:30 so we can come back. Chief, I have one
more question for the Chief. How many people is in the complaint inves... CIP
or whatever that thing is? Now many people in that?
Chief Anderson: In the complaint room?
Mr. Dawkins: No, no. What's that unit that Mr. Ingraham was over befoet#-
Chief Asdersonr 0}PC?
Mr. Dawkinsr Yes, 01PC, bew may people in tberet
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or. Dawkins: All right. Hew many people in that?
Chief Anderson: Dr. Daniels, how many?
Mr. Surma: slot►...
Mr. Dawkins: Go ahead, to ahead.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Manager, after lunch, I would like community development to
came back because that aria needs to be ripped apart.
Mr. Dawkins: Go ahead, Dr. Daniels.
Dr. Hattie Daniela: Currently, Commissioner, there are three people in the
office of professional compliance.
Mr. Dawkins► Three?
Ms. Daniels: Tes.
Mr. Dawkins: And they are what?
No. Daniels: Two professional compliance representatives and one secretary
III.
Mr. Dawkins: And they are adequately meeting the needs of the citizenry?
No. Danials: Well, what has happened, Commissioner, with the resignation of
one professional compliance representative that position was eliminated from
the budget and also the professional compliance assistant was eliminated.
Mr. Dawkins: Now that you've told me why they're short, I'll address my
question to you again. May, Chief, you and the Manager need to bear this
because I'm not going over this again. OK? You all need to... All right,
we'll come back at 2:00 o'clock.
Mr. Plummer: Sae you at 2:00 o'clock.
Mr. Odlo: Can I just clarify something. Commissioner Dawkins?
Mr. Dawkins: Two o'clock.
Mr. Odio: OK.
INAUDIBLE COMMENTS NOT ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD: THE MEETING WAS RECESSED FOR LUNCH AT 12:14 P.M.
AND RESUMED AT 2:02 P.M. AT WHICH TIME COMMISSIONER PLUtMER AND DAWKINS
MERE PRESENT AND THE REMAINING MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WERE ABSENT.
11. PRESENTATION - BY THE GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT.
Mr. Plummer: GSA. Tell us why you shouldn't be cut by 25 percent.
Mr. Odio: Tell him, Ron, that gives you a good opening.
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Mr. Ron Williams: Pardon me. Commissioners for being late. I was thiaskiM j
that you hadn't finished with Chief Andersoa and didn't vast to be • poet,v.
any of that any more. Based as the nature of our fwetion,
haw to cost in** to be s a� �portsd at • level that allow w to mat B�
support responsibilitite throughout the City. As you well wm.:,
Mr. Plummer; Sir. F
Mr, Williams: Thank you. As f you well know. the •bititr tG A!I�
aem■anity directly is dependent, in a number of ways, on the 4lS+1f�# 4: u
sad our support responsibilities. Therefore, it's wry irtaK d4tt .
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able to behind the scones provide our support responsibilities to those direct
service providers.
Mr. Plummor: Mr. Williams, what did you ask for in your budget that you
didn't receive? Nov such was your total request of budget?
Mr. Williams: Total requested budget, 2 million one eight, 2 million, I'm
sorry...
Mr. Plummer: Two million?
Mr. Williams: I'm sorry.
Mr. Plummer: I'm shoring eighteen sine is what you've lot. Now much did you
request?
Mr. Williams: eighteen million, sine Devon three.
Mr. Plummer: No, that's not what you asked for. everyone of you go in with a
wish list. Nov such did you go in originally asking for?
Mr. Williams: Ah, the...
Mr. Plummer: Remember, it's a matter of a written document.
Mr. Williams: Absolutely.
Mr. Odio: Too such.
Mr. Plummer: I understand it was too such but how such too such? And every
department head better be prepared to answer this sass question.
Mr. Williams: Commissioners, as we see it now void the request for capital
outlay...
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Williams, a number.
Mr. Williams: Two million dollars in excess would put us at approximately 20
million, nine hundred seventy-three.
Mr. Plummer: What did you ask for in that 2 million dollars that you didu't
get? I want to see if you were foolish or whether you were frugal.
Mr. Williams: We wanted additional support in the property maintenance area
In order to do some of those kinds of functions that need to be done in torws
of facility improvements. We wanted to program the repair of some functions
over a long term basis and shorten that time period by which we would
accomplish those tasks. We wanted to continue the improvement of the basic
fleet. As you well know, we've done a whole bunch of that.
Mr. Plummer: 8o what you're saying is, that all you were looking for was
monies additionally to cut down the tine of accomplishing those things that
are already in the budget.
Mr. Williams: Yes, air.
Mr. Plummer: All right, how such money is being delegated from the g million
parks and bond massy to your department for the purposes of, let's say,
Painting buildings in the parks? How such of that g million dollars are you
getting?
Mr. Williams: I may stand corrected, but I don't think we're partiaLpstLn# r
any in that l million. However, as part of an ongoing msistesson of W.ty
parks, I understand there's approximately $700,000 that's been allocated ? ,
the property maintenance budget for that activity. I defer to the Mi"t
office to...
Mr. Dawkias: Yes, when they answer that.
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Mr. Odip: Do you unt to say what I... SS >
Mr. Williams: I think they're verifying that.
Mr. Dawkins: OK, we have a bad issuance to purchase equipment, right sir?
Pollution bonds?
Mr. Williams: That,* right, Commissioner.
Mr. Davkina: All right and what kind of equipment should we have purchased
from those bonds issues?
Mr. Williams: I don't know the specific details that were outlined in the
bond issue. Mowever, I can give you the types of equipment that we use in the
solid waste fleet.
Mr. Dawkins: No, I don't... no, no, no. Well, I'll go another way. Now many
cranes have we ordered to replenish those cranes that you constantly rebuild
that have obsolete now?
Mr. Williams: We have not ordered any new cranes, Commissioner.
Mr. Dawkins: Why not, sir?
Mr. Williams: Two reasons, one, as you wall know, we vent out for bids for
cranes a while back and did receive bids in the neighborhood of $114,000 per
crane. We thought at that point that two things, quite frankly, we thought
that there was a crane that was less expensive on the market someplace and one
that was compatible with our functionality at this point. As you wall know,
for the past many years, valve used the Bucyrus -Erie crane which is extremely
functional and through our rebuilding program, we've been able to keep it
going. One of the things that we're looking at, as a matter of fact, this
month, and hopefully will be looking at it through APWA is the availability of
cranes outside of that Devault that came in low at $114,000 that are being
used in other municipalities in other areas around the country so that we
could snake a long term decision on what our crane program should look like,
whether or not we should continue with the rebuilding and the dieselisation of
our engines on the cranes or whether or not we should start anew and buy
cranes. That decision or that information will be available to us during the
end of this month at the APWA meeting.
Mr. Dawkins: How many cranes are down now waiting to be rehabbed, rebuilt or
what have you?
Mr. Williams: We have at this point three cranes that require major work and
one chassis, meaning the cab of the crane, that has been totaled and needs to
be replaced. So the total is three at this point.
Mr. Dawkins: All right, the three major ones that you have, how long have
they been down?
Mr. Williams: Two of them have been dove since latter June and the third one
has been out toward the and of May based on while we're waiting for a new cab
to put that crane on. ,•
Mr. Dawkins: So May, June, July, August, 90 days.
Mr. Williams: That's correct.
Mr. Dawkins: All right. The other two want out when?
Mr. Williams: Latter June.
Mr. Dawkins: July, August...
Mr. Williams Right.
Mr. Dawkins: ... 60 days.4
Mr, Willisms: TO*, those two. Commissioner, if T sty explain Just
Those two required parts that needed to be purchased through the
procurement process and required Comission authorisaties. 'moose its #rs
the Coatieission agenda for Thursday's meting. it the Comisd#+ak ` ►Mi
those parts that we require, that equipment should be back to '94miet *lIM*
the next couple, three weeks.
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Mr. Dawkins: In the hest of the growing season in Miami, we have two cranes
down that go out and pick up rubbish, leaves. and cuttings and you tell me
that that's not enough of an emergency for you and the Manager Lo hove node a
purchase as you usually do and come to the Cosseission for a ratification after
the facts
Mr. Williams- Tou're absolutely correct, Commissioner, we have done that on
numerous occasions when we determined those emergencies to exist. However, in
this particular case, we thought that, based on the number of crane operators
that we have on board, and the availability of other cranes through our
accelerated efforts to keep them repaired, we've been able to reset most of
that responsibility. There have been time when we have had to double up and
Set additional crane equipment repaired, but based on the nature of this item
that we need to purchase, we thought we should wait until the Commissioner
returned to get the authorisation.
Mr. Dawkins: So you're telling me that, which I will get to when the waste
department get up here, that with three cranes down, it is not impaired the
collection of rubbish at all.
Mr. Williams: I can't exactly say if it's impaired it, Commissioner. We have
had on most occasions equipment, crane equipment specifically, that were
required to meet the daily pickup responsibilities.
Mr. Dawkins: OK, well, Mr. Williams, I'd like to suggest to you
Manager that it's time, just like I told the fire department,
rebuilding antique equipment and purchase new equipment.
Mr. Williams: We think you're right, Commissioner, that's why we're going to
look at the new equipment that's available out there. Again, we have rebuilt
this equipment, I think last in 1984 and it has served us wall. You're
absolutely correct that after a period of time, that's going to eventually
catch up with you. That's why we explored the market a couple of months back
and found out what was available. We're not satisfied with the new crane that
was available on the market, both in terms of price and functionality...
Mr. Dawkins:
Mr. Williams: ... and we will, again, look at that more closely and make a
long term determination.
When did you receive the bids that you considered too high?
Mr. Williams: Can't remember the exact month, but it was sometime during the
spring. I can get you, of course, that exact information.
Mr. Dawkins: All right, spring has gone, summer has gone and you and the
Manager have not determined that it's time to purchase new equipment. When do
You plan to make that decision?
Mr. Williams: We will make that final decision during the end of September.
I will make that recommendation to the Manager at the and of September.
Mr. Dawkins: And he will bring it to us in October.
If he concurs with that.
Mr. Dawkins: The bids will go out in November, came back in January.
we're looking at June before we have say new equipment.
Mr. Williams: Commissioner, that depends upon the availability of the
equipment. Again, we think that the crane is such a vital part of our rubbish
collection process that we want to do it in a thorough fashion. We don't
think that we're at the point where our present cranes are non functional. We
do think though for the long term welfare of our collection process, that we
need to come back to you with a meaningful long term take us into out kind of
recommendation.
Mr. Dawkins: The two cranes that have been down for the longest you say you
have to order the parts and that's why they're held up? In order to repair
them?
Mr. Williams: We had to order it, but the price of the replacement parts were
of such a nature that it required Commission authorisation.
Mr. Dawkiss: What about automobile repairs?
Mr. Williams: That's one area I think that we, through the support of the
Manager's office and the Commission, of course, have been able to
substantially improve the condition of the City's like fleet. We think that
our primary customer, the police department and their patrol fleet, is at a
level wherein you, as a Commission, and we on the administration side, can be
very proud of. We've assembled a different kind of supervisory staff in the
fleet management division and we've established, of course, preventive
maintenance programs, safety maintenance programs to the point that we think
that our fleet is comparable to any in the country at this point.
Mr. Dawkins: What about the repairs of heavy equipment and etcetera such as
the waste trucks, rubbish trucks, street sweepers and water tanks, if we got
any?
Mr. Williams: That equipment, Commissioner, has taxed us quite a bit in terms
of keeping it to the level that we would like it. We have, however, been able
to do that through a lot of strenuous efforts. One thing that did happen to
us is that we released some employees for various disciplinary reasons during
the calendar year - during the fiscal year, I'■ sorry - and we're now in the
process of replacing those people with competent staff and once we get that on
board, the ability to service that equipment on an ongoing basis will be
easier for us. I sight add also that the Commission authorised the purchase
of two new sweepers, as you wall know, that's been one of the areas that we're
really having a difficult time at. Those two new sweepers are received and
naturally placing them in service will substantially reduce the problem that
we encountered during the sweeper program. Additionally, as you might recall,
we had a problem with fueling sweeper equipment based on the expanded service
levels of the department of solid waste. We've now resolved that in
cooperation with the department of solid waste wherein we're fueling that
equipment through our facility at the MMPD on Saturday and Sunday and of late,
we've not had any fueling problems and I think the sweeper program is
proceeding satisfactorily.
Mr. Dawkins: Explain to me then why is it that a sweeper broke down on
Flagler just off S.E. 1st Street and stayed there for two days?
Mr. Williams: The only reason I could imagine that it stayed for two days,
Commissioner, is that we didn't know it was there. It is possible that a
piece of equipment will break down because, you know, we close the heavy
equipment division at 11:00 p.m. on Friday night and don't open again until
6:00 a.m. on Monday morning. However, any time that we're notified of a piece
of equipment on the street, we make every effort to try and get it removed for
two reasons. Obviously, we want the equipment to be protected and we don't
want a dark piece of equipment there for some motorist to accidentally run
into. ,.
Mr. Dawkins: Why is it that the Manager and I were in the yard at 10:00 one
morning and one of the trucks was sitting there with a flat tire?
Mr. Williams: It was probably waiting to be repaired if I can remember.
Obviously, Commissioner, we have many, many flats on many occasions we also
have flats on the inside wheal and it's not readily identifiable. We have had
problems in the tire repair area that was one of the areas where we had to
release a very long term employee because of disciplinary reasons. We've
shuffled employees around in an attempt to most that need. It is not fully to
the point that we're completely satisfied with it but as we get to the point
where we can fill those authorized positions, and we do have that approval at
this point, the tire repair program will be back to the level that it was
previous to this tdrmination.
Mr. Dawkins: What's the turn around time on a down police car?
Mr. Williams: A down police car is repaired with less than 24 hours.
Mr. Dawkins: Less than 24 hours?
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Mr. Williams: Les* than 24. Usually it's an in and out.
Mr. Dawkins: And you say that with the quote upgraded new budgeted positions,
how many - well, 1,11 go another way. Now many men to do you have to repair
vast* vehicles because they don't pick up waste collection at night so they
should get their vehicles in by 5:00 o'clock.
Mr. Willisma: That's true.
Mr. Dawkins: And they leave 3:00 o'clock in the morning. Now many people do
you have in the station to work on these vehicles from 5:00 in the afternoon
until 5:00 in the morning?
Mr. Williams. Again, just to get the sequence together, we close at 11100
o'clock, Commissioner, and essentially we have a total and 1 want to make sure
you're with me, we have a total of 90 people at this point in the fleet
management division. We distribute those employees as need be between the two
shift operation. One being the morning shift, of course, and the second shift
In the afternoon. In the afternoon we should have available at least ten
mechanics to do the evening repair work. Now, what we try to accomplish at
that point is one wherein we get a list of equipment that needs to be
available in the morning from the department of solid waste and they have
someone to provide us with that information. That we require that the
equipment be placed on a repair line and during the evening, naturally through
prioritisation and available manpower, we make a determination of which
equipment should be repaired and do our best to repair that equipment
overnight so it's available in the morning. One of the things that we've had
to do, based on this issue I spoke to you earlier about, is allocate
additional resources if need be, ask people to stay on longer if need be so
that we can try and stay ahead or at least meet that particular requirement
for the next morning's shift.
Mr. Dawkins: Tou and Mr. Ingraham have never sat down and did a feasibility
study as to how well it would be if someone was there from 11:00 to 5:00 and
approached the Manager to tell the Manager that this is something that you two
have looked at and you think it's something the Manager should get to do?
Mr. Williams: We're not, at this point, we have...
Mr. Dawkins: Why not?
Mr. Williams: Wall, because we felt that, with the two shift operation, when
we're fully manned and equipment is avail...
Mr. Dawkins: But you were not fully manned, Mr. Williams, so there's no sons*
In standing up her* telling me when you're fully manned. You are not fully
manned, sir, so it doesn't make sense for you to tell me about when you're
fully manned what you will or will not do. When you were not fully manned,
you and Mr. Ingraham did not sit down among yourselves as two department heads
and say, hey, look, we got a problem and the only way we can solve this
problem is to have somebodr•h*re from 11:00 to 5:00. Let's you and I go sit
down and tell this to the Manager and see what he wants to do about it.
Mr. Williams: Tea, that's true.
Mr. Dawkins: I mean did you?
Mr. Williams: No, we did not.
Mr. Dawkins: OK, that's all right. Now, who...
Mr. Plummer: The real question is, are you?
Mr. Williams: We will obviously submit to the Manager our requirements to
cover that off period of time, that meaning 11&00 p.m. to S:o0 a.m.
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sea if it's feasible and then let the Manager Make his decision.
Mr. Williams: We will do that, yes.
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Mr. Dawkins: OK, who purchased riding mowers for cutting their yards? You or
the parks department?
Mr. Williams: It's generally purchased through GSA in cooperation with the
perks dopartment.
Mr. Dawkins: Parks department requisitioning?
Mr. Williams: What we usually try to make the requisition process flew
smoothly. Of course, we have to coordinate with the parks department and any
other department that we're buying motorised equipment for to make sure that
we're addressing their specific seeds.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Manager, why does self insurance cars under GSA?
Mr. Odio: Why does it come under GSA?
Mr. Plummer: Teo.
Mr. William : It does not.
Mr. Plummore Excuse me? I'm showing in front of ma page 172 GSA, as part of
GSA. I'■ asking why does self insurance, part of it come under GSA or all of
It?
Mr. Odio: Well, self insurance to under the law department. If it's in the
book...
Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, on this sheet which you gave me, it's the last number
on that sheet for GSA is 172, page 172 is self insurance.
Mr. Odio: It is not. That's a mistake for who ever prepared this paper.
Self insurance is under the law department.
Mr. Surana: It's wrong.
Mr. Dawkins: OK.
Mr. Jorge Fernandez: It's been transferred since.
Mr. Plummer: Are you going by the blue book for these page ambers?
Mr. Odio: No, I was... who ever prepared this and put that palls in theca,
that number in there, I don't know why. The self insurance program is under
the law department.
Mr. Plusher: All right, then let me ask you the question. Now many people do
we have, employees of the City of Miami, covered by insurance?
Mr. Odio: By insurance?
Mr. Plummer: Tom, sir.
Mr. Fernandez: What kind of insurance?
Mr. Plummer: Self insurance.
Mr. Fernandez: well, self insurance is presently actually divided into three
areas.
Mr. Plummer: Now many number of people ors covered? rk
Mr. Fernandes: Wall, the City's totally self-issurod for all risk, for
casualty. The only thing that the City buys insurance from the isdustry
for property value and for sos» other limited casualty &ro". t
Mr. Odio: Cosmissiosor, there's golf insursace and then there Ls htd1SA
Insurance. Nealth is usdor personnel suugamsat.
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Mr. Plummer: If I read your book hero, and I'm messy to dorlw" f.bg4WNWt
don't want Mr. Williams to got away, self insurance to the City of �r
$14,600,000.
Mr. 011ie: TOO, sir.
Mr. lluiwere Now, it's spy dederstaedieg ve have 4000 employees.
Mr. Odic: Somewhere. I.900, sosething like that.
Mr. llwser: Is that to indicate to NO that we are - the coat factor is
$4,000 saployee?
Mr. Odio: This is not related to omployeea, Comissioner.
Mr. Dawkina: Well, it says here, to educate approximately 1,750 participants
of the insurance claim process and their rights and obligations related to
health care coverage via a via paycheck stuffors and flyars.
Mr. Plummer: What does it cost us on the average employ**...
Mr. Olio: Cheryl.
Mr. Plummer: ... for health and life insurance is what I'■ asking?
Mr. Odic: I'll give you that figure right now.
Mr. Pluasser: And if we're self insured, I want to know why. Aren't we still
using a claims service as bad as it is?
Mr. Odic: How much is it, Cheryl? Go ahead, get up there.
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Mr. tlussser: As bad as it is.
Ms. Cheryl Goicoachea: What you have in the self insured is we insure 1600
employees under the insurance. Then you...
Mr. tlussser: What happens to the other 1400?
Ms. Goicoochea: You have three trusts, you have police, fire and SEA have
their own insurance trusts.
Mr. tluemer: OK, but how much, give me a bottom number, how such is each
employee cost the City in health and life insurance? Whether it's through a
trust or through the City direct. What's the cost factor.
No. Goicoeches: We've got it divided into single and family. We don't base
It on aggregates. You've got to go by a rate structure, that I can give you.
Mr. Plummer: It's so simple.
Mr. Odic: Give it to his.
Mr. ?lunwer: What's the total number of dollars and how many employees and
divide it.
No. Goicoochea: What it is currently costing the City in claim dollars. the
City contributes 2.2 million dollars. Two point two million dollars.{
Mr. Plumser: Now many employees. 4000?
Ms. Goicoechas: That's for 1600. '-
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Mr. Plusrssr: That's not my Question.
Mr. OQioe You have to a
get the insurance from the fire, police...
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Mr. llusser: flow such is the total dollars the City pays...
no. Goicotchsa: Well, then, that I will have to cows bask to rm
bave four trusts. a
Mr. Dawkins: Nov such money is it, Nano? Yf�a
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Mr. loran&: Roughly about $1,200 employes.
Mr. Oarkies: OR, just divide the total mwW r of people covered by the total
smsust of away and you come up with a cosetant.
Mr. lursna: Rerghly about $2,200, total City...
Mr. plummer: to, you're saying it's around $2,200 for 4,000 employees?
Mr. burana: per employee. Too, yes.
Mr. Plummer: Is that correct?
Mr. burana: Too.
Mr. Plummer: Now, don't we use a claim service?
Mo. Ooicoocchea: Teo, for health we use...
Mr. Plummer: Come back to the microphone, Visa$*.
Ms. Coicoecchoa: For health we use Equitable.
Mr. Plummer: For Equitable.
No. Goicoecchea: Tea.
Mr. Plummer: And how much do we pay them?
He. Golcooccbea: About $260,000.
Mr. Plummer: Now such per claim?
Ms. Goicoocchea: That comes to $10.40 par claim.
Mr.
Plummer: Regardless of the amount of the claim.
Ms.
Golcoecchea:
that's correct.
Mr.
Plummer: OK.
Vhy do we 26 employees in there? Vhat are they doing?
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Goicoacchea:
That's where you come into the different aspects of the salt
insurance trust and agency account. You've got the workers 'seap property and
casualty handled
by the law department.;
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Plummer: No,
that's under the law.
Mr. furana: Too.
Mr. Plummer: This is under.belf insurance.
Ms. Goicotcchea: but, everybody's under this one umbrella, this 26 employees.
Some of the 26 are in the law department, two of us are in personnel and the
two of us handle the health aspect, the health and the lift. but you've got
one umbrella trust fund.
Mr. Plummers Tes, but you see the problem is, I can't cams with definitive
numbers when you put one page in the book and I'm looking for answers. I
can't get answers out of ore page..
Ms. 601coocchoo: Vbee ass page is incorporating three different ants d
Insurance, OK.
Me. Plumar: fo what you're saying is, $2,200 for - you're talbb,$
roughly $4,000,000t
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Mr. rivamsr: total.
Mr. fvrsaa; Setae.
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Mr. Plusmo r: Mr. Williams, petting back to You, sir. I've asked this
question before ssd at the asks of maybe —�*# tang my blue brother aver here,
why is it in the City of Coral Gables they have some kind of a crane that
don't dig craters and everyone of us have hot tubs outside of our Yard? Now,
are they that such smarter than we are?
Mr. Willisms: Certainly not.
Mr. Plumiser: Mr. led* says it is.
Mr. Williams: That's why he's with Gables.
Mr. Plummer: No, I'■ asking a legitimate question. You so around the City of
Miami, where ever our cranes operate, and we're talking about $114,000 cranes.
tvery place You go, you'll see a crater and every five or six months they'll
come around with a dump truck full of this horrible looking stuff that they
throw into the crater. Why? I mean why do they have so such x more...
Mr. Dawkins: You'll have to gat that from waste, solid waste, not from Mr.
Williess.
Mr. Plummer: I just don't understand that. Where is the difference?
Mr. Williams: What the operational guides responding...
Mr. Dawkins: The difference Is, and I keep telling Mr. Ingraham and Mr. Dill
Smith, our collectors do not take the time to put the crane down gently and
pick up the trash because it would mean that they would knock off two hours
later. So they drop it down and then that digs the hole and in Coral Gables
they don't allow them to drop it down, they must ease it down gently or they
need another job.
Mr. llummor: It's nothing to do with the machinery?
Mr. Dawkins: No, nothing at all. It's the operator. In my opinion, J.L.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Abraham, I hope you're prepared, sir, because to get a hot
tub for you it's got to be three cranes. I was just looking over, Mr.
Manager, and I guess maybe it's because of the paper, GSA In also on page
130...
Mr. Odio: That's the, I believe that's the lease and management, lease
management, property and lease management.
Mr. Plummer: OK, that comes under GSA?
Mr. Odio: Yes, sir.
Mr. Plummer: All right, sitr, is that than to be understood that that is on
top of his $18,000,000?
Mr. Surana: Tea.
Mr. Odio: Teo, sir.
Mr. Willisma: Tea.
Mr. Plummer: Why is it a separate budget?
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Mr. Odio: It's an enterprise.
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Mr. Willisws: It s • budgeting, mechml,ms by which
they divide
document up by fund.
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Mr. Plummer: What do you accomplish by doing
it this way ethar
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misleading the Commission?
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Mr. Odio: No, the $2,600,000 is supposed to be,
they haws ram.
under the enterprise fund. The $3,000,000 is internal servZp som"
It's an accounting principle that we must follow accord,* t#
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Mr. Plummer: OR.
Mr. Odic: Io fact they Save me a whole report that we set for two days
reviewing what they expect from the City and those are the things that we swat
show.
Mr. Plummer: I have no further questions of Mr. Yilliams at this point. I'm
sure he'll be back tomorrow. gas you tomorrow.
12. PR=UNTATION - BY THR, POLICt DEPARTMENT
Mr. Odio: Do you want to go back to the police department?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Manager, as I recall you screamed and hollered at the end of
the conclusion of the twelve o'clock that you had to have something on the
record so I Suess we should start off with that.
Mr. Odio: Tea, sir, the question on the funding of the positions, I think
It's important that we clarify exactly how it was prepared so that there is
not misinterpretations of the dollars in the budget. Perry.
Chief Perry Anderson: The hiring plan up to a thousand employees, sworn
personnel, eleven hundred, I mean, starting off we're going to have - one,
two, three, four - five different classes including the attrition rate of
leading up to September the 6th of next year of 71 actual employees after
backgrounding and screening, 40 which should give us 69 actual employees which
would be a realisation of 1099 police officers.
Mr. De Turre: Did we work out some minor miracle during lunch time?
Chief Anderson: No, we just had an understanding.
Mr. Odic: Just a minute, Chief. The problem is the Chief was not part of the
preparation of the budget.
Mr. De Turre: He should be.
Mr. Odic: He was not the Chief. He became Chief...
Mr. Dawkins: Won I tried to say that, he said I was wrong.
Mr. Odic: And what I'm trying to say is that...
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Mr. Odic: When we had "at workshops with the police department, it took
hours and hours of discussion because we were talking about a $79.000,000
budget and we ended up with a $75.000,000 budget. And we feel that the way
the projection was done was we have broke dawn here in detail and we should
have had it - and Perry hasn't had time to sit down, in fact, we only had a
meeting last week and I felt that he was not totally immersed in his budget
because he hasn't had the time to do it. but we have here a total breakdown
OR how the figures were reached and how we agreed to a $75,000,000 budget
Instead of seventy-nine.
Mr. Ds Yurre: Go ahead, I've got all afternoon.
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Mr. Odic: Go ahead and put it on the record ow by *me.
Mr. Surana: OK. All right, we had a full funding of is that workiMg or... ,
Mr. Plummer: Sound man. `
Mr. Surana: The cost at...
Me. Hirai: Try that one.
Mr. Plummer: Mello?
Mr. Odio: wait a minute, I think the problem is You not the mike, so on.
Mr. Surana: The cost of 1100 -worn officers, if we are to fund for a full
Year, would be forty-one point four million dollars. The non sworn positions,
322 positions, roughly $9,000,000. And there are some $200,000 for union
negotiations for longevity and we put $336,000 partial funding for
three months of SO police officers. That gave me $51,000,000 total salary
requirement. we used the $3,000,000 salary savings and we fund the police
department budget by $48,000,000.
Mr. De Turre: OK, time out. Page 99 of our booklet, police operations,
$S1,000,000 plus. Is that the figure you're referring tot
Mr. Surana: No, sir, out of total budget of $?S,000,000.
Mr. be Turre: OK, but I'n beyond that. I'm going to page 99 that says,
personnel services, fifty million, three thirty-nine plus. Operating
expenses, $664,000 plus; capital outlay, sero; total $51,000,000.
Mr. Surana: Sight.
Mr. De Turre: Are we - is that ghat You're talking about?
Mr. Surana: No, I'm not talking about that page. I'm talking about total
police department budget.
Mr. De Turre: This seventy-five million.
Mr. Surana: Yes, sir
Mr. be Turre: Yes.
Out of $75,000,000...
Mr. Surana: ... $48,000,000 is going to go for salary cost.
Mr. De Yurre: OK, is that $48,000,000 part of this personnel services?
Mr. Surana: Yes, sir.
Mr. De Turre: Well, than, we're talking about the same thing.
Mr. Surana: Not the whole things. Partially, Yes.
Mr. De Yurre: We're getting there.
Mr. Surana: Yes.
Mr. De Yurre: OK, go ahead.
Mr. Surana: Prior to about two or three years ago, we used to fund 100
percent all the positions and that used to gendered the surplus. Than we
talked, asked our auditors, Cooper h Lybrand, they recommended that we should
change our budget process. So for fiscal year 18e-189, we are budgeting close
to what we think would be the actual expenditures. Prior to that, we used to
fund everything a hundred percent.
Mr.
be Turre: Let me ask you this so I can follow you.
You're telling •e
that
the $48.000,000 is part of this $50,000,000 on page 99.
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Mr.
Surana: Part of that, yes.
Mr.
De Turre: Part of it. OK, what is the difference between the forty -nit
and
the fifty million?
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Mr.
Surana: That SO million includes, roughly...
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Mr. Plummert Thirty-eight? YO'P re "tieipating the same this year.
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Mr. Plummer: Then the number of $129 a run is about right?
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Mr. Plummert And how such did you take back in revenue?
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Mr. Plummer: Tou're
doing better. Can I sake a
suggestion? Can we take a
ten minute recess
where the -
you people sit down
with Commissioner De Turre,
Individually, and
not try to
do it in this kind
of an atmosphere. I think
we'll get a hell
of a lot more accomplished a lot
quicker. Let's take a ten
minute recess and
you all sit
down with Commissioner De Turre.
TIMREVPON THE CITY COMMISSION VENT INTO A TEN MINUTE
RECESS, WITH ALL MENDERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION FMIND
TO EE !RESENT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYOR EVAREZ AND
VICE MAYOR KENNEDY WERE ABSENT.
Mr. Plummert ... and explain it. That's why I was trying to put it off, to
give you all more tine.
Mr. Surana: Well, if you know all the questions, we'll come back to you.
Mr. Plummer: What?
Mr. Surana: If I know all the questions...
Mr. Plummer: Well, he's asked a basic question, a scenario to run his through
a scenario. Commissioner De Turra, how do you want to handle it sir to try
expedite these hearings today? What would you prefer?
Mr. De Turre: If they can't answer, then we'll go on to something else and we
got 2 million dollars less the taxpayers are going to pay this year.
Mr. Plummer: All right, would you be agreeable, Commissioner, that it we
started tomorrow morning at - what time are we starting, Mr. Manager?
Mr. Odio: Nine o'clock.
Mr. Plummer: Huh?
Mr. Odio: Nine. r
Mr. Plummer: The hell you may. That they come here at gt30 and try to sit
down with you, would you be agreeable to that?
Mr. De Turret That's tine.
Mr. Plummer: OK, then let's to on from that item in the police department,
Chief, and let's see it we can wrap up with the exception of that one area of
Commissioner be Turre's concern and see if there's any other more questions in
the police department. Commissioner De Turre...
Mr. be Turre: Tom, sir.
Mr. Plummer: ... do you have other areas of concern in the police depltslNNt
besides that as* which will be put oft?
Mr. De Turret I think we're all right with that,
Mr. Plummert All right, Commissioner Dawkins.
concern in the police department?
Do you have othes oft"
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Mr. bewkine: No, ne
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Manager, I've got one further question.
Mr. Odio: Tes, sfr.
Mr. Tlus er: In the office of the chief, they're showing expenses of a halt a
million dollars based on about three hundred, four hundred thousand dollars
worth of salaries. I see so breakdown of what that half a million dollars is
going for and when I look across the page, I see $50,000,000 worth of people
and $660,000 of expenses. Now, either something Is out of proportion - what
is the half a million dollars of expenses in the chief's office? It's not
personnel.
Mr. Surana: OK, give me a chance.
Mr. Odio: Operating expense. You're talking about the operating expenses.
Mr. Surana: What, the GSA? Some of GSA charges?
Mr. Plummer: Sir, you show here $501,000 of operating expenses. What are
they for?
Mr. Odio: Too, OK, we'll explain it. Give me that book on....
Mr. Surana: The actual cost of 12 employees is $398,583.
Mr. Plummer: Your book says three thousand, nine hundred and two - three
hundred and ninety-two, but that's not my area of concern.
Mr. Odio: The operating expenses....
Mr. Surana: The half million dollars...
Mr. Plummer: My area of concern is operating expenses of $501,000. What is
that money going for?
Mr. Surana: Some of the GSA charges budgeted in chief's office.
Mr. Plummer: How much of it?
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Mr. Surana: OK, I'll give the breakdown.
Mr. Plummer: Is that for automobiles? What In it for?
Mr. Surana: We'll give you a breakdown in a minute.
Mr. Plummer: I mean, it seems extremely high. I mean his whole chief s
office operates on eight hundred and ninety-four of which half a million is
expenses? It doesn't make aenso.
Mr. Odlo: building.•
Mr. Plummer: It can't be the building.
Chief Anderson: You are aware that we have IS, internal security, spocial
Investigations.
Mr. Surana: We'll get that in a minute.
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Mr. Plummer: Sir, that should be under personnel. It should be. Are yqw
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aware of that? Thank you. Hello?
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Mr. Sureas: One minute, pleaso.
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Mr. Bumper: It we had one more person to the byftet dS�rNlRnto we'd
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close it down. ixcuse me, we'll out that off uetii also tamlrr.rr ...
Mr. PlumnerI Chief, have you got anything also you want to say? Chicken.
01(, " we have than two scatters that will be resolved in the morning. Oh, I
wanted one ether question. Chief, this has come up before and I think this is
something that maybe - what is our policy presently on bullet proof vest?
What does this City pay towards, is the City paying in full. If we do, are
they mandatory, What is the present policy relating to bullet proof vests for
the police department in particular?
Chief Anderson: We encourage thew to weer the bullet proof vests. They're
not mandatory.
Mr. Plummer: And is the City paying 100 percent of the cost of bullet proof
vast*?
Chief Anderson: I don't think so, I think it's 95 - what is it?
Mr. Plummer: I think so, don't do it.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: .... tventy-six.
Chief Anderson: Your twenty-six.
Mr. Plumoo r: Is that a hundred percent of what it costs?
Lt. Longu*ira: No, depending on the type the officer buys, we reimburse...
Mr. Plummer: Is there one for more money?
Lt. Longueirs: Yes.
Mr. Plummer And are you saying that the four hundred and twenty-six is a
standard?
Chief Anderson: That's a standard price that we pay, City pays.
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Mr. Plummer: Jo.1, I'm sorry, you can negotiate a lot of things but I'm not
going to ever let you negotiate life and death under a union contract.
Chief Anderson: Exactly.
Mr. Plummer: Nov...
Mr. Odio: Commissioner, if you remember that by Commissioner Dawkins'
instructions that the Commission approve it, we were ordered to pay for all
the life vests, I mean the protectors.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Manager, that was my next question.
Mr. Odio: We have done that.
Mr. Plummer: Oh? What is the present posture today of how many people have
bought thew and how many have not?
Chief Anderson: We'll have to find out.
Mr. Plummer: Nov such is in a reserve fund for the purchases of those vests?
I don't want any policeman ever to come up to me and may, hey, you didn't
provide the money to save my buddy.
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Mr. Odio: It was put in the budget. We were told exactly how aMmy yew t
there were and we vent up the difference
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of the people that rregUirs v4ist1
it's in the budget.
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Mr. Plusher: to you're telling se that there are adequate funds to rojpWr"
any son up to four hundred and twenty-six that buys a vast.
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Mr. Odios Teo, sir. As per your instructions and th#tt we put aOt
TOP contract.
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Mr. Plummer: OK, rise. Theak You.
11. PRSSSMTATIOM - BT THE BUILDING i ZONING DSPARTMENT
Mr. Dawkins: Can we bring beck the zoning?
Mr. Plummer: Sure, toning department. Chief, we'll see You at 6:20 in the
morning. Commiesioner Dawkins.
Mr. Dawkins: Do You have a copy of the information I asked You for for all of
as? OK, we Sot one, OK, inspectors - One, two, three, four, five, six, savant
eight, mine, tan, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen, sixteen, sixtean...
Mr. ilumeart While he's doing that, answer at why is - how do we justify a
24-hour car for on inspector?
Me. Sdith Fuentes: OK, we have tremendously increased the number of our
Inspections because now we're able to do inspections before S:00 if the
contractor would like to have some inspections made before they come to work.
They do the inspections between S-S and also on their way home they're able to
pick up some inspections. They are also wade available for the construction
Industry after the normal working hour and on weekends and they're all on call
on emergency calls or emergency cases.
Mr. Plummer: It would seem like to me that in each division of your
Inspections, you would have one man on call on a weekend and I'm wondering why
you would have jut... what rationale of justification you used to give every
Inspector a 24-hour car.
Ms. Fuentes: Wall, what we have done is we have put them on a different
ranking like the chief of each section is responsible for first call and then
the supervisors come next and after that would be the inspectors. We have
made weekend inspections also especially in zoning section and we put them on
a rotation basis.
Mr. Dawkins: In the building enforcement section, electrical section, in the
meAanical section, what is it that means that Mr. John Hanson or any of these
other individuals - what are their working hours?
Ms. Fuentes: Eight to five.
Mr. Dawkins: Eight to five.
Ms. Fuentes: Tea.
Mr. Dawkins: So if they arm► working eight to five why is it necessary for him
to have a car from five to eight?
Ms. Fuentes: Theme are - let's say I'■ - these building enforcement section
Is the section responsible for unsafe structures, all those emergencies that
we have on, you know, under the minimal housing, the unsafe structures code
and the South Florida building code structurally unsafe building.
Mr. Dawkins:
Mr. Manager, get me the amount of stoney
in gas and oil that this
unit uses for
the year and show me where these individuals go from five in the
afternoon until eight in the morning
demonstrating
that they need a car 24
hours. Now, I
Mar bar loud and clear.
Mr. Plummier:
There's fifty cars, Mr.
Manager, that
are so called take how
zero and what
justification do you use
for, You know,
other than tour or tin
on a weekend...
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Mr. Dawkins: And also explain to as now how...
Mr. Plummer: Weil, what does the cost of a take heM car?
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Mr. Odie: Is track Noy here? Do you have that figure, Ron? Do you have that
figure? put it on the record. The total operating cost for a
ear in a year is $4,051.
Mr. Dawkins: In a year.
Mr. Odlo: In a year.
Mr. Dawkins: to you divide that into eight hours and so...
Mr. Odlo: And that includes...
Mr. Dawkins: ... so, actually for this car only one third of that is
appropriate.
Mr. Odio: Sxcuse me, we're including $765 a year for replacement, capital
replacement which is a Rood policy but the...
Mr. Plummer: You're saying that those cars are only driven a thousand miles a
year.
Mr. Odio: A thousand miles a year? No.
Mr. Plummer: Your own figures show forty cents a mile and you're saying
$4.000 means a thousand miles. That's what you charge different departments
Is forty cents a mile.
Mr. Odio: No.
Mr. Plummer: What?
Mr. Odio: We don't charge forty cents a mile.
Mr. Plummer: You ware charging forty-two.
Mr. Odio: We may have in the past and that's what you have...
Mr. Plummer: What are you charging now a mils? What do you charge departmant
heads, Mr. Williams, per mile?
Mr. Odio: We're actually charging actual roplac*mant cost in the life of the
car. That's what we're doing. h
Mr. Flummer: Oh, you got amart after a while.
Mr. Odio: We went actual, that's how you were building ng up a seven million and
an eight million dollar surplus in the general services department. As far as
the $4 hour car - and, Commissioner, we did a study and I would like to bring
that back. This is practically an experiment. The cars were sitting in the
yard before and they left them there. We estimated at one time that we were
losing two hours a day forathat employee to drive in, check in, got the car
ready, go out. It would waste one hour and the same thins in the afternoons.
1y doing this, we're trying to see if we can keep than out there longer and it
has worked that way and so you're putting the costs - the car was going to be
parked in the yard versus parked at his house.
Ms. Fuentes: The maintenance has tremendously improved also because they're +.
taking care of their car like it was their personal vehicle to got than
through, you know...
Mr. Flummer: The problem is, you've got 50 people that are taking car* boM*,
Yet You don't find an Inspector on a weekend.
Ms. tuentss: We do, they're all on...
Mr. Odio: Well, we did have excuse me, exams me .
Mr. tlu+wer: ixcuse Mt
Mr. Odio: We have had, we also instituted the Wei i
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Mr. Plvrsser: Where are they?
Mr. Odio: I think as of four weeks ago - to ahead, explain.
Ms. Fuentes: We temporarily suspend thew because we do not receive as such
complaints or requests for weekend inspections in zoning only. but we're
still giving...
Mr. Plummer: Look, I'm not talking about requests for inspections, I'm
talking about the weekend warriors.
Me. Fuentes: The complaints and...
Mr. Plummer: No, no, no, I'm talking about these buys who build a castle from
Friday night at 5:00 until Monday morning at 6:00.
Mr. De Turre: That's the overnight construction companies.
Mr. Plummer: Weekend warriors. Now, you guys are not catching any of these
people because they're knowing fully well that there are no inspectors out
there on the street on the weekends.
Me. Fuentes: Commissioner, we did weekend inspections for a year and a half.
As a matter of fact...
Mr. Plummer: I'm not talking about inspections, those are the legal ones.
Ms. Fuentes: No, that's what I'm saying, these are the...
Mr. Plummer: I'm talking about the illegal ones.
No. Fuentes: ... right, the illegal .constructions, illegal building here,
fences here and so on and so forth, conversion here. We did weekend
Inspections for a year and a half and I figured out since the number of, like
I said, complaints and number of requests or number of, you know, neighbor
things went down that we might temporarily suspend it for a couple of months
or so and we, before, when I started here, as a matter of fact, the office get
flooded with calls Fridays, also I get calls on the weekend, especially on
Monday mornings because of illegal things that happened during the weekend.
We instituted the weekend inspections right away, October of 1986 and for a
year and a half, everything, you know, if you will notice even at the code
enforcement board before, they only take five or six cases each meeting. We
all of a sudden increased that to like 25 and 30 cases each meeting which
means the code enforcement board was processing an average of 50 or 60 cases
per month. And, after a year and a half, everything, you know, slowed down
and went down so the inspectors themselves are saying, you know, perhaps we
could step back or lay back for a few months and then recall it again.
Mr. Plummer: If I call your office on the weekend who answers the phone?
Ms. Fuentes: Right now, w+f will be called through the fire department and
then they will normally call us. Also...
Mr. Plummer: In other words, no one's there.
Ms. Fuentes: Not physically in the office.
Mr. Plummer: No one is there in your department to receive a complaint about
someone illegally building something.
Ms. Fuentes: Not physically in the office, but we have 24-hour emergency call
list submitted to them, you know, that they would call us up and we Mould be
out there. Gas explosion, roof caving in, w 've been tbere.
Mr. Plummer: I'm not concerned about that, Zdith. I'm concerned about people
who are building Castles on weekands. We're giving you 50 cars to take bay;
Fifty cars based on what the Manager says is $200,000. I still once again oak
for the justification and rationale of $200,000 and 2 haven't beard 4t.,
Ms. Fuentes: We will submit to
you the justification Dad thetWtp ka
One thing also that I would like to point out to the deduction in our Va *-U*
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expenses was one of the things... you know, we sere paying $50 per month rot
person to park their vehicles in the parking garage and that is something that
we took into consideration.
Mr. Plummer: Which parking garage, may I ask?
Ms. Fuentes: The one directly across from the administration building.
Mr. Plummer: Is that the one of First Street?
Ms. Fuentes: Second, yes. Second and First.
Mr. Plummer: Is that we're paying over a million dollars in subsidy a year?
Mr. Odio: Too, sir.
Mr. Plummer, Why are we paying $50 for their employees when we're paying a
million in subsidy?
Mr. Odio: That is something that I questioned myself this year. If we don't
pay, then the deficit is two million.
Mr. Plummer: Tes, but all we're doing is paying a Middleman called Off-Stroot
Parking.
Mr. Odio: It is simply an accounting transaction. We gave it to Off -Street
to manager. They have a fee.
Mr. Plummer: They're going to take 20 percent.
Mr. Odio. We have to do it no matter what. If the cars are parked,
somebody's got to pay for those cars, Commissioner. There is no....
Mr. Plummer: In the old days that was called "double-dipping.'
Mr. Odio: It is not "double dipping," because it is either they pay....
Mr. Plummer: You're charging it to their budget at $50 a car, and we're
paying from general fund over a million in subsidy.
Mr. Odio: You're right.
Mr. Plummer: If that isn't "double dipping," I don't know what is. You're
paying twice for the same garage.
Mr. Odio: The other way, and this came up during budget workshop with me, if
I don't do that, than the deficit will be two million.
Mr. Plummer: Well, all I'm saying is I don't sea production out of the
building Department to the tune of $200,000 to justify 50 cars being taken
home. I just don't see it. 6-
Mr. Odio: We'd like to show you the report, because he has increased the
production.
Ms. Fuentes: We can submit to you the....
Mr. Plummer: Well, either you're going to show it to ma, or I'• voting
against it. to, I mean, you've got your choice there.
Mr. Dawkins: What is, under page two, toning section? Where is the, what ago
the duties of the Chief Inspector II? <<
He Fuentes: The Inspector II's? They are plans processors and tbg $li$d 'z
supervisor. Mr. Dawkins: Then what does Inspector I do? �
Ms. Fuentes: Inspector I's -they all to in the its w VA
complaints. They drive around and o►oarve violations and at
write notices, take cases to the Code X%fore"ast bard OW Rrvse �
eases. _ ,��,��
Or. Dowkina: Ys haw sews Inspector I,&, and right behind page two, You haw
a sap with some circles. I assume these circles are souse?
No. Fuentes: Teo, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: You have seven inspectors and tan &ones. Explain hoe that's
covered.
Me. Fuentes: Me have some inspectors taking care of two adjacent areas or
zones.
Mr. Dawkins: Off the top of your head, give me who is in one -A and one-B? Or
who is in ono-3 and two-W Or how does this work?
Ms. Fuentes: At the back second page, you have the distribution of the
districts and the different sections, who is in charge of... Ye have in the
different disciplines, electrical, mechanical, plumbing, soning, etcetera, we
have them assigned to different sections or zones.
Mr. Dawkise: toning, but sea, this doesn't tell se, it says...
No. Fuentes: Under zoning....
Mr. Dawkins: All right, you got seven inspectors according to this now, you
got seven persons and when we go over to the page that you are telling me,
where everybody is assigned a section, you have Glass with one -A and two -A.
Ms. Fuentes: Right.
Mr. Dawkins: You have Miller with one -A and two-S.
Ms. Fuentes: Right.
Mr. Dawkins: You have Little with three.
Ms. Fuentes: Right.
Mr. Dawkins: You have Sierra with four. That is four people, five, six,
seven. OK. I'll get you a now, Mr. Manager, with soave of the otbor things
that I want because I'm not satisfied, but I have the information I need with
which to send you the memo. Thank you.
Ms. Fuentes: Thank you.
14. PRESENTATION BY THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT.
Mr. Plummer: Development, page 56.
Mr. Herb Bailey: Our $1.3 million request was arrived as a result....
Mr.
Plummer:
Excuse me, how much?
Mr.
Bailey:
$1.3 million.
Mr.
Plummer:
My book says one million zero two five.
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Mr.
Bailey:
Oh, OK, it's general fund.
Mr.
Plummer:
What is the difference?
Mr.
Bailey:
The rest of it comes from other funding
than the gawral fn" u
Mr.
Plwmmer:
It's not shown here. There is nowhere
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This budget here is the general fund.
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Mr. Pluswer: This is your budget, all.
Mr. Sailer: The CD monies are not shorn in this budget.
Mr. Plummer: They are in all of the rest of the budgets.
Mr. Odic: CD is funding some of your positions.
Mr. Baileys Some of the positions from CD funding, they're not in this
general fund budget.
Mr. Odio: Vhat's happened is he's got two or three people assigned from CD to
his. It appears....
Mr. Baileys Right.
Mr. Plummeert Mr. Manager, if Simple Simon caws to this book and was asked,
'Simple, how such is the budget of Development?"
Mr. Odio: The budget for that is a million twenty-five, eight seventy one.
Mr. Plumear: That's right. And he said a million three. That's only
$273.000 difference.
Mr. Bailey: well, it's $358,000 difference, and we can eliminate that in
terms of discussion....
Mr. Plummer: I'm not asking you to eliminate it. I'm asking where is it?
Mr. Bailey: At three hundred a fifty-eight thousand six hundred and....
Mr. Plummer: It might be important.
Mr. Bailey: Yell, it is. $356,697 come from Community Development funding.
Mr. Plus::eer: what does that money go for? Because it doesn't show in this
book.
Mr. Salley: The coney goes for a combination of funding for personnel which
works on some CD functions and general fund functions.
Mr. Plummer: How such of it goes for personnel?
Mr. Bailey: Seventy percent.
Mr. Plu mer: No, tell as in dollars. Right now you're showing $593,000 in
dollars.
Mr. Bailey: $183.232.
Mr. Plumser: Plus the 593.,
Mr. Bailey: Right.
Mr. Plummer: One eighty-three. OK, go ahead. So your actual personnel is
$776,000. Is that correct? Is that based on thirteen employees?
Mr. Bailey: It's based on sixteen a*loyees. We arrived at these figures on
modifications which we reduced the overall personnel from 26 to 16. lie have
transferred some esployeas to some other departments and we have elimnisated
sole funding as a result, as it pertains to international trade, and saw of
the other funding that we normally had under the Department of Develop"St.
Mr. Plummer: Nov such money did you transfer out of this budget to
International Trade? '
Mr. Odlo: 0525,000.
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Mr. Flwswsr: Vhere is the budget for International Tar ? .
Mr. Bailey: gpecial funding.
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Mr. Odic: Special PraBrams and Accounts.
Mr. Plummer: sacuse Me?
Mr. Sailer: Special Program$ and Accownts.
Mr. Plummer: Tell so the page number, please.
Mr. Odio: 110.
Mr. Surans: Fifth line tram the bottom.
Mr. Dawkins: Vhat's in Special Programs and Accounts?
Mr. Odio: The sixth line from the bottom, Commissioner, on page 110.
Mr. Plummer: And who's going to make the presentation on that budget?
Mr. Odio: The board will be making a presentation to the Commission.
Mr. Plummar: No, no, no, for a half a million dollars, I think they ought to
be here at the workshop.
Mr. Odic: line, Kerb, can you have them here tomorrow?
Mr. Dawkins: Vhat, what?
Mr. Odio: We can break it down for you, because I know it too, so.
Mr. bailey: Ve can do it here, if you like, so you can take it all today.
Mr. Plummer: You're saying on...
Mr. Odio: 110.
Mr. Dawkins:, Vhat is it?
Mr. Odio: International Trade.
Mr. bailey: It's International Trade. The personnel, we transterrod tour
people from the Department of Development to work with the new International
Trade board.
Mr. Plummer: Now did you do that? The Commission only set up a budget at
$50,000 for the International Trade board? Now did you transfer four people
when we only allocated a total of $50,000? Ve have not allocated any more.
Mr. Bailey: Vell, there were some projects that we funded. For instance, the
CAMACOL project, the Film Festival project, which all fell under the
International trade activity.
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Mr. Plummer: No, no, no, no, did not fall under that. We took all... it you
would recall, Mr. Manager, very clearly, there were tour sections and we took
out three that was not under their purview. That 'a the only way they got
three votes to pass it at the time. We funded it for a total of $50,000. Now
what I'm asking is you've transferred four employees over to this
International board. Now you're cosine up with $525,000 in money.
Mr. Odio:
Vo're not, Commissioner. Let me,
it you vast, I can put it
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used to be Department of Development
and Trade. What we have do1w
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Mr. Odio: OK, we'll be geed. What we did is the International Trade
functions, except lister Cities, which I told his the other day is excluded
frem this. The Caribbean Conference that we used to fund from Development is
in there, CAMACOL, that is the Latin American Chamber of Commerce.
Mr. lluwmer. Mow much control does the City have over a private board?
Mr. Odic: We have Commissioner Dawkins is representing the City there. I
think we have absolute control on their budget.
Mr. Plummer: He has veto power as chairman?
Mr. Odio: Teo, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: No.
Mr. Odio: Well, I don't know if be has veto, but I'■ sure they're not going
to do anything....
Mr. Plummer: Me's saying the board can override his.
Mr. Odio: Wall, then....
Mr. Plummer: No, I'■ asking the question, when you're turning over a half a
million dollars to a private group, are we, the City, losing control over that
money? And the answer I'm hearing is yes.
Mr. Odio: Once you approve their budget, they cannot change that budget until
they come back to you, so you do have powers over them.
Mr. Plummer: When are we going to see that budget?
Mr. Odio: We can present it to you today. You have it there?
Mr. Dailey: I have a breakdown.
Mr. Odlo: You have a breakdown and you can see it right now.
Mr. Dailey: I have the budget that we... the amount....
Mr. Plummer: We're the ones voting, we haven't soon it.
Mr. Dailey: It's not in your pamphlets.
Mr. Dawkins: It's supposed to be presented at the Commission Meting
Thursday. Isn't it?
Mr. Odio: That's what I thought.
Mr. Dailey: It's on the Thursday Commission meeting.
Mr. Odio: It's on the agenda, but if you want to see it now.
Mr. Plummer: No, if it 10 in my agenda, then I have it at home. OK, go ahead
on Development.
Mr. Dailey: We reduced our contractual services by 4334,000. We reduced
entertainment by fourteen point seven and office supplies by 31.2. We have
substantially decreased our overall Development budget. We are at a process
now of paring down our personnel and training personnel that are inside to do
development and eliminate a lot of what we considered at one Liss peripheral
activities. Our main concern at the moment is Just to do pure development
types of projects that are what we call revenue enhancing and tax sakasal" ws
It relates to the City. For an example, we have currently prograp or
projects on the board, of course, Southeast Overtown fast Vest wkioh 4 ,mot
everybody's concern. We have the QW1 redevelopment project. %*I*b Wi I
before the Commission on this Commission msetiagj no, l# OctoMr Oseinat
negotiated the interlocel agreemest with the county. Vo're still woo
the garment center and the fashion district. we sot Dix
projects that will be coming before the Commission within theItt
We have the Virgisls Key project and the Municipal lvstiss sits.
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Mr. Dawkins: Mr. galley, you are covering the same thing that Frank covered
this morning, and I don't know if we're on the esme thing or not, because
Frank was saying that his department was responsible for the OMNI
redevelopment and the do do do that you're saying.
Mr. Bailey: No, no.
Mr. Dawkins: Well, that's what he said.
Mr. Bailey: There Is....
Mr. Odio: I think you were talking about Sergio Rodrigues. Me said he had
the functions of the Planning Department on the OMNI area.
Mr. Dailey: Couldn't be Frank Castaneds.
Mr. Dawkins: go right ahead. I'll find it.
Mr. Plummer: Let's combine them all and put them in as one.
Mr. Odio: The Planning Department has functions over all the development
areas.
Mr. Plummer: That's what D.D.A. also takes credit.
Mr. Odio: The Development Office is impossible to implement what the Planning
Department comes up with and you approve.
Mr. Dailey: There is a major difference, Commissioner, in planning and
Implementation. They're both functions that are absolutely necessary. We
take the product that has been produced by the Planning Department and decide
how we can best carry it out through an actual project. Now we can implement
It, how we can gat it financed, how we can market it for developers, how we
can adjust to those criteria that will actually come up with a finished
product sometime at the end. The planning function, which is absolutely
essential gives us some sort of guidelines as to how we present our RFP to
developers to give them certain basic criteria that they have to subscribe to.
So it's quite possible you night have heard another department, primarily the
Planning Department, indicate that they are involved in these projects. That
would be correct.
Mr. Plummer: When are we going to lay a shovel in the ground?
Mr. Bailey: On which one?
Mr. Plummer: Anyone!
Mr. Bailey: Vell, we already have one shovel in the ground in overtown Park
Vast on the Overtovn side. I just got back from vacation yesterday and I got
another letter, we have another developer now.
Mr. Plummer: Vhich one in Overtown is the shovel in the ground?
Mr. Bailey: Indian River.
Mr. Plummer: That is, in fact, under way.
Mr. galley: Teo, absolutely. I have a letter in my office that caws
yesterday, last weak when I was out. Ve have another developer that to
permanently financed, that will have a commitment for permanent financing;
that is Can American.
Mr. DoWas: Tou are going to break ground when, Mr. Dailey?
Mr. galley: Commissioner, when I say break ground, I actually mean tftAt.W"frs
of to start with the •bowl to start d
going digging the lota�datiat.
Intend to make a commitment to say we're breaking ground until I'n obw1util'
certain that all the permanent financing is in place. It i• S& !
project process going through this federal fiawtalag for these pmJo"Wi
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Mr. Seiley: We have Circa Barness with a permanent commitment, but now we're
running into the Tax Correction Act. As soon as we resolve that matter, we've
already gone to Washington an this particular bill and we think we're going to
resolve that, then they will be able to sell their bonds and they will have
actual cash in hand. We have the commitment from Can American that they...
puller is now going to give them permanent financing. This is now a matter
of the process of going through selling the bonds. Rut they are also are
Impacted by the Tax Correction Act. All of the developers are being impacted
by something else we didn't expect to happen; and that's the Invirormental
Protection Agency or the environmental situation as it pertains to toxic waste
in the ground. So we will be before you this Commission Meeting asking for an
additional amount of money to conclude the toxic waste determination as to how
hazardous it might be, as to whether or not we will be permitted to do
anything on the ground.
Mr. Dawkins: Well. then that is my point. When will you be able to tell me
It we're going to do anything at all or if we should scrap the whole program.
Mr. Bailey: As soon as I get from the developers, their financiers, a
commitment, an absolute commitment that the financing has been given.
Mr. Dawkins: What kind of a time frame, professionally, are you looking at?
I know you're merely guessing, for the lack of a better word. Because, you
see. I keep coming and you keep coming, and you keep telling me, you know,
where we are and then up come another wrinkle. We try to iron that out and
then another wrinkle. We iron that out and then it's another wrinkle. And
when you know anything we will be another year ironing out wrinkles.
Mr. Bailey: That's a lot of ironing. We don't expect that. We expect within
the next... I expect within the next thirty days to have all the developers
with a firm commitment. The only thing that is holding up John Cruz is that
the initial contractor could not come together with a price that would satisfy
MUD and the developer. So they are today trying to determine which contractor
to use. They cannot go and get a permanent financing from HUD until they have
a contractor that has given them an absolute price. It's just a utter now of
detail. They are meeting this week. We will have a commitment a letter from
them within the next thirty days.
Mr. Dawkins: Let me ask you a question. With the permanent financing, quote
unquote, with Cruz, and since -and I'm only saying this off the top of my
head- that they're not going to use the contractor that was in the original
agreement, what does that do to the minority involvement?
Mr. Bailey: It doesn't do anything. All the requirement regarding minority
participation are in place, regardless of which contractor they choose.
Choosing a contractor is a matter of pricing. We have to get the pricing down
to a point that fits in with the economic determination that the Commission
made on what the unit should be built for and so forth.
Mr. Dawkins: And you're saying that realistically, I mean, barring all wrong,
this should be finished in thirty days.
Mr. Bailey: We will have the firm commitment letters in thirty days. We are
pretty sure that they are all going to get their firm commitments. The toxic
waste problem is a matter of the City, which we think we can handle with very
little difficulty.
Mr. Dawkins: I don't know about the rest of the Commissioners, but by January
1, I will have had it. If everybody can't get what they are supposed to do, I
would like for you to start with me in November attempting to identify scow
local contractors who might be interested in doing this. Because we just
keep, I swan, and no fault of yours or nobody's but we just keep running into
things that w don't seem to be able to overcome, Mr. Bailey. Most of it is
because we can't get the local financiers to buy into the project. Maybe we
can get some local people who can put pressure on it and we may get something
done.
Mr. Bailey: You're correct, Commissioner. I think we had better define the
process. As you can recall, this is a process of which there has boom very
little experience in the City of Miami in terms of how we deal with pudic
private dovelopm at of this type. I think all of those developer* OW
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financial eompanios hove a better understanding of how this process goes. We
have no problem, if we have to, and I don't think to will have to'igoing
out and getting other people who would be Milling process.
lot of people just didn't believe it in the beginning, but we're pretty
comfortable now that you will have a development, and you will have a messivs
development for the next tan years.
Mr. Plummer: Commissioner be Turre.
Mr. De Turre: I'm waiting for the next Commission meeting when you're
supposed to make a report.
Mr. sailer: That's on the agenda, and you will have it.
Mr. Do Turre: OK, we'll deal with it Thursday.
Mr. sailoy: That's Thursday.
15. PRSSENTATION sT THE DEPARTMENT Of SOLID HASTE
Mr. Plummer: Let's deal with the hot tub, Mr. Ingraham.
Mr. Ingraham: Just call and I'll come, sir. Members of the Commission, City
Manager, I'd like your brief indulgence for just a couple of moments.
Mr. Dawkins: Ye do not need the soft sell, sir.
Mr. Plummer: No dog and pony shows.
Mr. Ingraham: No, it won't be a dog and definitely ain't a pony. I'll make4.
It very short. Just some information that the department fools....
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Mr. Plummer: Page 138.
Mr. Ingraham: Too, page 136 in your hymn book there. I know the Commissioner
can relate to that.
Mr. Dawkins: You better got that one under the hymnal, say bible, you may
need the bible.
Mr. Plummer: You don't even look like Tammy Baker.
Mr. Ingraham: Really? And they're on the comeback.
Mr. Plummer: Don't hold your breath.
Mr. Ingraham: Stranger ththgs have occurred. Just some information that's
not shown that the department would like to share with you very briefly, it's
very important that you are aware that we're asking for the same budget that
we had last fiscal year in this oncoming fiscal year, $30,353,966 with no
Increases to that particular amount, wherein we are providing on a daily
basis -and I think this is very important- to the citizens of Miami 26,000
daily collections from different units in the City of Miami. That's every day
In our residential collection. Wo are providing also on a bimonthly basis -
and this has increased since I've come on board- in our rubbish collection,
bimonthly rubbish collection from the craters, as you call them. Not to
differ with the Commissioner. I have seen those craters and there are soma
Coral Gables residents hers in the audience that have informed ate that tboy
have craters in Coral Gables and to concur with Commissioner Dawkins, its, s
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personnel problem and a training problasa, one that we're trying to t" OWS
of. It's an old habit that's kind of bard to break, but the City Nsnawor, to
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his wisdom, has gives the responsibility beck to our departmant for U11.4000
those craters now. I guarantee you, this year amiss, with tbs
having that responsibility taken from Public Works boak to our s,
that should make some difference I hope, along witb stditissai t€*VU
we're doing right now within the dopartment. W're *ISO pr"Wft • 13
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collection of tonnage of 250,000 tons a year, or refuse th"19 0-
throughout the City of Miami. We're providing on a daily basiA
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1,300 collections from different types of commercial accounts. We how* added
this quarter thus for as a result of Commission support, SS additional new
commercial accounts to the department's collection system. That's just been
done and we're going to be providing through the City Manager to you,
Information shortly in more detail in that particular regard. The revenue of
the Department of Solid West* is very simplistic. Ve get a contribution of
46.3 percent from the general fund. Our fees contribute 49.4 percent of the
total budget. Along with the new franchise fee, we're receiving 4.3 percent
In reference to additional revenue into the department. The expenditures for
our department are even nor* simple.
Mr. Plummer: Vos, woo, Vogl
Mr. Ingraham: Go right ahead, air. Ask all the questions that you want.
Mr. Plumer: Of the 49 percent that you're getting from fees, what percentage
of that are you collecting?
Mr. Ingraham: I would have to defer that to the finance Department.
Mr. Plummer: No, no, I think that is very important, because at one time you
were lass than 40 percent.
Mr. Odic: The last report that I saw, Carlos, are you here? The last report
that I saw was that we collected more last year than he had billed. So we
began to make a dent on past debt.
Mr. Plummer: Are you telling as that we're getting more than 100 percent of
the fees?
Mr. Odic: I don't know if we are. We collected more than....
Mr. Carlos Garcia: We are collecting....
Mr. Plummer: Of the bills you sent out, how many of them are you collecting?
Mr. Garcia: We are collecting at this time in excess of 100 percent because
we had some accumulated delinquent accounts, which we were able to collect at
this time. So we are collecting some of those old accounts as well.
Mr. Plummer: You are collecting near 100 percent.
Mr. Garcia: Yes, sir, we are collecting in excess of $14,000,000 at this
time.
Mr. Plummer: And occupational licenses? How many of those have you
collected?
Mr. Garcia: We or* collecting the vast majority of that. We are collecting
In excess of $4.000,000 at this time.
Mr. Odic: We've done very wall.
Mr. Plummer: I know we've done very well. My question is if each inspector
Is finding fifty to sixty thousand dollars of new money every year in
occupational licenses, why don't we have more inspectors? It more than pays
for their salary, and that's reoccurring. We'll get into that in the Finance
Department.
Mr. Odio: We have added quite a few.
Mr. Plussmer: I'm happy to hear, by the way, because it was, at one Lily,
about 40 percent collection. The only other question I have is why are we
only charging one percent on the next agenda, when one and one half is the
legal percent?
Mr. Garcia: At this time, we're charging six percent every six months, whiah
Is very close to one percent, and we feel that one percent is sufficient
percentage to be charging for delinquency. We could use one -and -NW -half
percent, but our recommendation is to go with the one percent.
Mr. Plummer: Nov many liens did you place last year?
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Mr. Garcia: The accounts, as soon as they become delinquent, they are liens
by nature, but in addition to that, we are working wi.h approulostely 400
accounts that ware following foreclosure proceedings at this time.
Mr. Plummer: Thank you.
Mr. Ingraham: sixty -me percent in reference to our expenditures out of the
total budget are contributed directly to the salaries and oases. Twenty -sight
percent of our budget, however, must be noted is attributed directly to the
tipping fee we pay Dade County, which is a very sizable portion of our
departmental budget. The remaining percentages of our expenditures fall in
the area of operating expenses at 2.8 percent, and internal services charges
for our float and other GSA services for approximately 7.7 percent of the
total budget. The overall increases in our budget, which are very nominal,
approximately one percent, and that is done not at any increase in the total
budget. It has to do with the automatic 4 percent cost of living across the
board that is given by union agreement to employees. We have, obviously, a
$4.000,000 general fund contribution that we talked about briefly, and it must
be noted at this point that there has not been any type of increase in the
past four to five years as it relates to solid waste fees at all, especially
In the residential areas. There have been several attempts in on the
commercisl side and in reference to a number of things that we've attempted to
do in the past. As far as our CIP funds, which are not directly shown in the
budget, but I think are very important, based on questions I've heard asked
today and previous budget msetinge. We have a current balance of $4,937,768.
That's on the books right nov. We have projected for next year an expenditure
of approximately $1.8 million. Commissioner Dawkins, Commissioner Plummer,
and Commissioner D* Yurre, this talks to what Director Williams was talking
about, and what we would like to call an accelerated replacement program for
our hydrocranes and a number of other pieces of equipment that would assist us
in a number of the new initiatives that we're trying in the department. So
It's not just only replacement, but it's also to look at different types of
equipment, so we can keep up with what is going on in the market itself as far
as solid vast* activities are concerned. In the department, we have 560
employees; 99 of those or* stand by labors, of that they or* broken down into
the following areas. Twenty-five of them, which attributes to 4.50 percent of
the overall makeup of the department are Anglos. Eighty percent of them are
Slack, which is a total of 448. fifteen percent are Latin, which is a total
of 84. And th*r* is an *other* c+tegory of three individuals, which do not
fall into the categories of Anglo....
Mr. Dawkins: Let me go back to your plan. You said that you planned to
modernize or do something to your fleet. What was the word you used?
Mr. Ingraham: I want to accelerate the replacement program.
Mr. Dawkins: How are you going to do that?
Mr. Ingraham: Yirst of all, we want to identify, which we have not done at
this point. ••
Mr. Dawkins: Why not?
Mr. Ingraham: Well. we have not done it.
Mr. Dawkins: Why haven't you? Why not did you do it?
Mr. Ingraham: Wall, I'm vigorously working to do it. In fact, you've hoard
the GSA director talk about a meeting he and I had recently in that very arena
about not rebuilding our cranes anymore, but going out in the market looking
for what's new. That hasn't been done in sass time, and we're about the
business of doing that the and of this month.
Mr. Dawkins: You or* aware of the total amount of monies that are lsft is
that fund to purchase equipment with.
Mr. Ingraham: Yes, I an, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: Are you vigorously trying to speed it before *~body s3N 4e41t
to its
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Mr. DevRins: NOW, gain, to Mr. Men* Suresa, how Such of the budgeted ^'eount
of uniform money for the Solid Waste Department was spent? No, so, so, so,
how muth is left?
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Mr. Plummer: Fire Department, I hope you Mar the question, so we don't have
a delay here. You know it's cowing. While they're looking that up, Mr.
Joseph, what percentage of the trash that you collect is taken through the
transfer station at 20th Street?
Mr. Ingraham: I would say roughly about a good 40 percent, SO percent is
taken through the transfer station on 20th Street, sir.
Mr. Pluawsr: And the rest of them?
Mr. Ingraham: Coral Way and the north Dade facility they have at 150 Street.
Mr. Plunmo r: Where on Coral Way?
Mr. Ingraham: Peter, what is the exact address?
Mr. Odio: 72 Avenue.
Mr. Ingraham: 72 Avenue.
Mr. Plummer: So you take it there and dump it?
Mr. Ingraham: Teo, the acme as we do on 20th Street. That's everything out
of Flagami area and the west end of the City, rather than come back towards
town.
Mr. Odic: We are looking at, I hope, I don't know how far advanced on trying
to do something different to save some money there. We have talked to... they
approached the county already, right, Joe?
Mr. Ingraham: Teo, we have.
Mr. Odic: In the possibility of eliminating one of the costs.
Mr. Plummer: And what are we paying the county now, projected this year?
Mr. Ingraham: The same, it's $36 a ton. There is no increase that we are
aware of at this point from the County Commission.
Mr. Plummer: Now much is that total for the year?
Mr. Ingraham: tight point six million dollars.
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Mr. Odio: Almost nine million dollars. We're working on that, Coamaissioner,
and we are also starting the recycle program, which would help.
Mr. Surana: Twenty five thousand left over.
Mr. Dawkins: What is budgeted for next year?
Mr. Surana: A hundred one thousand.
Mr. Dawkins: One hundred one thousand, when you come to the b%dgot Lot AIM!
final budget hearing. I expect to see $126,000 budgeted for usitot4w tow
wash. I moat •11 that you didn't buy unitorahs this yaar, bay tom:
and all that you do them next year, give it to them noxt year.
Mr. Ingraham: To*. sir.
Mr, Dawkins: I don't core. I Man, I couldn't cope. Too Mo-a t
my opinion, we don't go buy uniforms for the" poople dad thm VIM
Sad tell ms, 'Yoo, what •bell of a savings we #hadf Look VW up
didn't opos4 so money. • And we didn't give them mH wide � '
entitled to by their contract. to, as a Ceamissionor, I'ssotis 4
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that they Set the uniforms and it's up to everybody else to be stir* that
they're the best garbage we en the streets. Getting back to the "estien
that was raised by Commissioner Pluufner, we're paying $8,000,000 to dump trash
with the county.
Mr. Ingraham: Almost nine, sir. It is eight point six.
Mr. Dawkins: Nine million, and I say every time we look up, Dad* County wants
somethiag for the city, and we roll over and play dead and give it to theft.
but Dade County doesn't give anything to the City of Miami. We pay for
everything we have to get from Dad* County. Now, Mr. City Attorney, if we
were to attempt to reopen our incinerator on 20th Street, would the county
have to OK that?
Mr. Jorge L. Fernandes: Teo, they would.
Mr. Dawkina: If they said no, would the state be able to override the county?
Mr. Fornandet: I think that the state has given that over to the county to
supervise and control.
Mr. Plummier: but not to say yes or no, but to enforce rules and regulations.
Mr. Fernand*s: There to always an appellate procedure, that could be
followed. If the county rejects our petition, than there would be other
remedies available. I'm sure.
Mr. Dawkins: I don't know what it would cost for environmentalists to go
along with reopening that station, but it just doesn't seam right to be paying
nine million dollars to a sister facility where they are using a dump site
that's in the City of Miami, where they do not pay any taxes on it. W* don't
get any income for the land on which they got the dump sit*, J.L. And yet we
got to pay them nine million dollars.
Mr. Ingraham: Commissioner Dawkins, along those lines, in the new State
Senate bill that was passed for recycling, by 1994, the City is required to
reduce its tonnage to the county by 30 percent. The Commissioners will be
"do war* of the county's plan by the way which they have not given to the
State of Florida yet, wherein that will be done. So therefore, it puts the
City right now in a very unique position of sitting with the county to talk
about what direction it's going in and to pursue some other things in that
regard on the recycling.
Mr. Plummer: You know, that's not necessarily true. Let me tell you why. I
gave the Manager, I don't take credit for it, I gave the Manager six months
ago an idea given to me and I'll give credit to Senator Jack Gordon.
Mr. Ingraham: About the racks on the trucks for the newspapers.
Mr. Plummer: The racks on the side of the trucks, I am told, equate to about
30 percent of your tonnage,'hewspapers.
Mr. Ingraham: In reference to papers, yes.
Mr. Plummer: You can sell that newspaper and give all the proceeds to the
employees for whatever purpose, scholarships or what.
Mr. Ingraham: That is correct, sir.
Mr. Plummer: And we could reduce, from what I'■ told, we could reduce our
tonnage by almost 30 percent. Give them an incentive to do it. They are the
beneficiaries. We ain't don* a damn thing on it. And we could do that
overnight) Overnight Jack Gordon said that in four cities, that we Witso"04
It. It took thaw exactly three days to build the racks on the aids at ta'frbs
to put the newspapers, because when they get wet, it really inerea+sss the
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tonnage, and we haven't don* a damn thing about it. The point I'fs tuyisug to
wok*, we could today meet the state requirement of reducing our tsssa w by 30
percent. And you're telling w it's a problem. It's a problem beck ng6Wy
Is doing anything about it.
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or. Plvm sar: I'm Not. OR? I'm not going to do it. I's too dame late. but
I's saying to you.
Mr. Dwkisss We are aware of that, but I mean, you're sot telling us Nothing
we dealt know.
Mr. Plummer: Teo, but you will only do it every other weak. The point I'm
trying to make is to make for the employees the incentive to do this on an
everyday basis. Give them the money. Give them the proceeds of that 30
percent of the paper that you sell, and it's saleable.
Mr. Odio: Joe, tell his to may what we've done. We've done something on it.
Mr. Plummer: Give it back to the Miami Herald. Wrap it up with a bows dive
It back to the Herald.
Mr. Dawkins: No, you don't.
Mr. Plummer: Joe, I think it is a tremendous thing that we could do. And I'm
just saying, I'm very disappointed we haven't seen at least an effort to try
It.
Mr. Ingraham: I beg to differ with you, sir. Not on the residential, but for
approximately six and a half weeks, almost two months, we did a pilot project
in our commercial in all of downtown where we took trucks and picked up all of
the cardboard on the streets of downtown. What you are saying is a very
viable effort and it can work and it has the possibility of working. We are
looking at it vigorously. We haven't done it yet, but it is something that is
In the works, Commissioner Plummer.
Mr. Plummer: Now many households do you pick up from in the City of Miami?
Mr. Ingraham: Fifty-two thousand households.
Mr. Plummer: Fifty-two thousand. Now many commercial accounts do you pick up
In the City of Miami?
Mr. Ingraham: 3,330.
Mr. Plummer: The difference is roughly about thirty to one.
Mr. Ingraham: Tes, sir, a little more.
Mr. Plummer: No, about 20 to one. And you're doing a pilot project only on
the downtown commercial when the major ones who receive almost every Newspaper
goes to every house. One or the other.
Mr. Dawkins: Or sometimes both.
Mr. Plummer: Or sometimes Noth.
Mr. Ingraham: Teo, sir.
Mr. Plummer: And you're telling me you did a project on the smallest one?
Mr. Ingraham: Teo, just to sea if it... the viability of it and a few little
bugs. We're working on it, Commissioner Plummer. At least in you we know we
have a champion throughout the city to make this a successful project.
Mr. Plummer: Don't sake it a champion.
brought it to my attention.
Hr. Ingraham: OK.
Mr. Plummer: That was six months ago.
senator Gordon is the champion. me
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Dawkins:
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I have so further question.
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Plummer:
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further questions.
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Mr. Plummer: Tire.
Mr. Dawkins: Chief, I'll start out with You, since they have to look it up.
What amount of money for the Fire Department for the uniforms? fecouse
they're my buddies. They spent all the money. Now such they had left?
Mr. Odic: Probably zero.
Chief Colonel Duke: We spent it all.
Mr. Odio: I believe he spent it all.
Mr. Dawkins: No, so no, that's his word. I want to bear it from over here.
I'm pretty sure he did, but...
Chief Duke: To the beat of my knowledge, we spent all the dollars that we
had, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: OK, chief, thank you, but let me hear it from over here.
Mr. stave Cortese: $273 left.
Mr. Dawkins: What is budgeted for next year?
Mr. Cortese: $151,000.
Mr. Dawkins: Why is it, somebody over there, explain to sa, that uniforms,
being uniforms, that the vendor where we purchased Fire Department uniforms
from, can get uniforms into us on time and we can spend the money and provide
the uniforms and yet, every time I look up I see a memo where the vendor
cannot provide the sanitation workers or the policemen uniforms. Why is that?
Somebody in the procurement.
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Mr. Ron Williams: Commissioner Dawkins, as you are aware, we spee uniforms
differently based on the participation from the department and naturally, we
try and award based on the most responsive vendor. We are, or I have not, as
of recently identified any particular problem with these vendors. However, if
you are aware of some, we will most certainly look into them and try to
resolve than. The issue of the Police Department uniforms was quite a
different one in terms of the Police Department's desires to award to a vendor
that seemed to meet the needs of offices based on different time schedules and
so forth. As it relates to'.the Solid Vast* department uniforms, if there are
any particular problems, we will address those with the vendor, and if found
to be valid, we'll move to other vendors in the future.
Mr. Plummer: If you ever saw a not of specs for police uniforms, you wou':in't
believe it. I tell you, what we need to do is all specs be approved by the
Commission before they to out.
Mr. Dawkins: Thank you, Mr. Williams, go right ahead, Chief. I'm sorry.
Chief Duke: Good afternoon, the City of Miami Fire Department has 752 total
employees, 666 are uniformed, 64 are son-uniformod. Vol like the Police-
Department, haw* a 24 hour operation, including the comunicatioms dlwieiam, a
and we also have our own garage. Forgive at for my sore throat. I thUsk tbig
is from the game the other eight. I must have hollered more than I tbove"
The Miami game. The Firo Departssat is tuadod from the general Cmmmd asmd tbo
telephone franchise fee, with capital improvement projects be La$ tweded by
bond programs dating back to the ?O's. Currently we're vorklag OR
$21,000,000 bond program that was put together Lis the early 00'n. 41 q,
budget for the City of Mimi Fire Department this year is p"Jeated to 1M!
$42,472,000, plus an additional four point throe 01111e0 ter +aq 404 =_
improvements, which will be fire apparatus that we propose to go out to Mi�A► �`
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for within the sent Year and a half. Primarily our dollars are fisted.
They're primarily for wages, ether fined concerns, with only $600,000, which
are semi -discretionary. That's inelvding tires for the fire trucks, gasoline
for the fire trucks, electric, water, and so forth. So we have pretty such of
a fined budget. In 1997 we returned right at a million dollars in revenue to
the City of Miami to offset some of the coat associated with the Fire
Department. That plus the telephone franchise fees, we had an actual cost to
the citizens of Miami of around $39,000,000. This year it is projected to be
approximately •40,000,000 as a total cost to the City. When I compare the
state of the City of Miami Tire Department with other departments of our also
throughout the United States, we have less fireman per capita, lose engines
per capita....
Mr. llunwar: Chief, Mr. Dawkins has a question.
Mr. Dawkins: Where are we, Chief, with replacing equipment rather than
rebuilding equipment.
Chief Duke: We hopefully today, we got the bond posted by the manufacturer to
purchase three new pumper companies, three new pumpers as of today and one now
serial, and we propose to go out for bid for an additional $4,000,000 worth of
apparatus in the next year and a half.
Mr. Dawkins: What pieces of apparatus? because you see, if we don't spell it
out, you'll come back and you'll still not have... we won't even know what
you're talking about. When you may, fourteen million....
Chief Duke: We're going to... I propose to come to the Commission and ask for
eight now pumpers, three new quints, which is an aerial pumper combination,
thirteen new rescue vehicles to replace the vans that we are now using in the
stations to cut down on the wear and tear on the first line fire apparatus,
and a couple of special appliances that we need in the hazardous material's
field. That will generate or have a cost of approximately four million....
Mr. Dawkins: I got two questions and then you can sit down. Now what are we
talking about special and hazardous because I have a problem with that.
Chief Duke: We need to develop the apparatus that we carry the specialised
equipment in. basically, it's a van with roll up sides, very similar to our
air truck. Whether we can keep this equipment from out of the weather, we
seed to redevelop our phone truck, which is getting somewhat antiquated, so
that we will have a first line piece of equipment, something that the City can
be proud of when it cowls to hazardous material incident.
Mr. ?lussser: And you'll got Commissioner Dawkins' approval before you order
same?
Chief Duke: I hope to got the entire Commission's approval, sir.
Mr. llussser: Tou know where you better start.
Chief Duke: Too, sir.
Mr. Dawkins: No further questions.
Mr. Plummer: Commissioner Do Turre, do you have any further questions of the
Chief? Thank you, sir.
Chief Duko: Thank you very such.
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Mr. be Turre: Cesar, what's the page where we have outstanding bond issues?
Mr. Odio: lase 112. General Obligation Bonds are 111 and you have a total
recap on 112 and 113.
Mr. be Turre: Is the number of highway improvement bonds and things of that
mature here that it says •amount issued, amount outstanding." Is the amount
outstanding the amount that still has to be used or is it the amount that
still has to be paid off?
Mr. Don Cather: The Finance Department mould better answer your question.
Mr. be Turre: Don`t you know how such money you have in your departmeat?
Mr. Cather: Well, we have about $200,000 to spend.
Mr. De Turre: Now about bonds?
Mr. Cather: We have no further highway bonds in capacity. We cannot build
any more projects because we are completely out of highway bonds.
Mr. De Turre: So what is your department building today?
Mr. Cather: What are we doing today?
Mr. De Turre: Today, if you got nothing to build or work. What are you doing
today if you have no plans to build or construct? What are you working on
nowadays?
Mr. Cather: We are working on storm severs. We have just initiated a program
whereby we will be able to finance the first $35,000,000 of storm sew r
improvements for the city out of the $200,000,000 program. We have set up a
program of storm water utility fees, which will generate approximately three
and a half million dollars for the City, of which $1.3 million dollars wall be
available very shortly. Th*t is occupying part of our staff. We are
continuing to complete all of oar sanitary sever system, which was started
about six years when we started on a five year completion program. We will be
done at the end of next year, 'GO. We have completely all of the sanitary
sewers of the City of Miami.
Mr. De Turre: Then you are just concentrating on storm sewers and that kind
of thing. You are not working on any street improvement right now.
Mr. Cather: We are not working on any street improvements right now except
little, minor jobs that voile finishing up.
Mr. be Turre: Let's to back to the Finance Department and maybe they can
answer this. Cesar, on this page it says "amount issued and amount
outstanding." The amount outstanding, what does that represent? Carlos.
Mr. Odio, The debt service.
Mr. Carlos Garcias It represents the bond that has to be redeemed, that be"
to be paid off in the future.
Mr. be Turre: Which means that's still owing. � •.
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Mr. Garciat Too, sir.
Mr. Cather: You night also look at the next page, third item #o n, strut
highway bonds of a aillion nine outstanding. We have another two *11110* tom► .:
hundred thirty five that are outstanding later down.
Mr. be Turre: txplain to se, Carlos, for exasyll, it ssp#s bi%* 60,re",.1�..
highway improvement, final maturity date It", =vbie! is We
talking about 17 items from the bottom up, =�
Mr. Garcia: It seems to as that is a typo, Commissioner, must be 1999.
because all bends that we have are twenty years or longer, twenty or twenty-
five years. ividently those bonds which are issued 1915, so the last
redemption date should be 1995.
Mr. De Turre: That means that the one above it is also a typo. The six
million dollar amount issued that the over three million due and owing. The
one right above.
Mr. Garcia: I'm sorry which one is that &Ssin.
Mr. De Turre: The one right above.
Mr. Garcia: Tea, sir. Those two are typos, certainly.
Mr. be Turre: Anything that is not twenty years is a typo.
Mr. Garcia: Should be 20, 25 years; there may be another exception, but the
majority of bonds... I think housing may be some that are thirty years, but
the majority of than should be 20 and 25 years.
Mr. be Turre: Thank you.
Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Garcia, somebody, Mr. Manager, or Mr. Cather, what is that,
vast*, water fee we passed? I recall distinctly discussing that to say that
money would not be used to secure bonds. Nov, I have read in the paper where
they're thinking of using that money to secure bonds. Is that a fact or is
that somebody whistling off the top of their head?
Mr. Cather: It has been our intention all along and that is that the storm
water utility fee has initiated and will generate four million in new revenue.
One point three million will be used to maintain the storm sew rs and manage
the billing of this fee to the customers. Approximately $2.5 million will be
available to implement a storm sever, capital improvement program to comply
with the new federal pollution control regulations going into effect in 1990.
We plan on using $2.5 million of that revenue initially to comply with the RIP
program. Nov, whether you sell bonds or do it in-house, that's up to the
Finance Department. You could sell bonds with that money.
Mr. Dawkins: That's my problem. It is not up to the Finance Department. I
distinctly said, and I'll get you the minutes, and I think it was a consensus
of opinion with this Commission, that this money would not be used to secure
no bonds, that you would use it to pay as you go. Somewhere along the lines,
we need to get together on this so we don't go off half cocked and do the
wrong... Sae, I have no problem with what you're saying, Mr. Cather, because
we have to do it. All I have a problem with is what was the legislative
Intent of this Commission. That's my only problem. Now, if the legislative
Intent was to use the money to secure bonds, this one vote was against it, but
the majority rules. Now, if the legislative intent was to use the money to
pay as you go, than we vill.not secure bonds with it. I don't know.
Mr. Cather: That's correct. We'll have to check the minutes on that, and
we'll help you with that. One of the advantages of going to a bond issue is
of course, you get the improvements immediately and you pay for them over
twenty years.
Mr. Dawkins: I will say it again. The only bond issue that I'm going for
right now and support wholeheartedly is the Orange bovl and the baseball.
Other than that, since this Coamission does not understand what citizens mean
when they say a cap on... I'm not supporting no bond issuel When this
Commission put more money than $5 million into a police station when the .
voters distinctly said $5 million only, then you are making a liar out of me.#
So I have to go back to the citizens and tell them w , the Commission, do not
abide by what we promised you. to I need to know now what we're Sol*& to de
because I, for ona, will not support a bond issue, period.
Mr. Cather: Fine.°
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Mr. Dawkins: As such as I !snow we mead severs, we neat train"*, boot gRt 1
this Commission, in my opinion that is, makes up its sled aW rbes it 1W
the voters, we will sad no sore, the& I'll So along vitb it.
at. !l�re mr further questleset Mr. Master, I wsuid oaiy life to Nk
that ammo4ol►► •owelopseat, who tool M this booklet here, for am of $11
6411146 Is sot adequate. I w"id like a further broame" bete" tower"O
sent" N all of the line item buksts that are is this book he". I so
oRtresely aoseersod that they are shoring !t to IO percent for orisistrative
eset. I thisk it 1e ridiculous and it is sowthisg that sesda to be
o"ressed. You *as take this book to see what I seed as for as the brohedow
boyead. That's 1! •illios bucket Almot eight percent of our total beset,
that's sot capital budget. Weil sue you all temorrow wraisg, MO ***look.
Mr. Dowkisot topecially the City Attorney.
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