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GT GreenbergTraurig December 13, 2019 VIA EMAIL AND HAND DELIVERY Olga Zamora, Hearing Boards Division Planning Department City of Miami 444 SW 2nd Avenue, Miami, Florida 33130 Ryan D Bailine Tel 305.579.0508 Fax 305.579.0717 bailiner©gtlaw.com Re: Appeal of the Decision of the Historic and Environmental Preservation Board/ Special Certificate of Appropriateness PZ-19-695 for Woodbine School of the Sacred Heart (the "Application") / 2167 S Bayshore Drive (Folio No. 01-4115- 010-0111), 2190 Tigertail Avenue (01-4115-046-0020), and 2180 Tigertail Avenue (01-4115-046-0010) (the "Property") Draft Resolution HEPB-R-19-062 Dear Ms. Zamora: Our firm represents The Convent of the Sacred Heart of Miami, Inc., in connection with the above referenced Application. Please accept this letter pursuant to Section 23-6.2(e) of the City of Miami's Code of Ordinances (excerpted below) as notice of appeal of the decision of the Historic and Environmental Preservation Board ("HEPB") concerning the Application. SECTION 23-6.2(E) Appeals. The applicant, the planning department, or any aggrieved party may appeal to the city commission any decision of the board on matters relating to designations and certificates of appropriateness by filing within fifteen (15) calendar days after the date of the decision a written notice of appeal with the hearing boards department, with a copy to the preservation officer. The notice of appeal shall set forth concisely the decision appealed from and the reasons or grounds for the appeal. Each appeal shall be accompanied by a fee of $525.00, plus $3.50 per mailed notice required pursuant to 23-4. The city commission shall hear and consider all facts material to the appeal and render a decision as promptly as possible. The appeal shall be de novo hearing and the city commission may consider new evidence or materials. The city commission may Greenberg Traurig, P.A. I Attorneys at Law 333 SF 2nd Avenue 1 Suite 4400 1 Miami, FL 33131 1 T+1 305 5790500 I F +1 305 5790717 www.gtlaw.com December 13, 2019 Page 2 affirm, modify, or reverse the board's decision. The decision of the city commission shall constitute final administrative review, and no petition for rehearing or reconsideration shall be considered by the city. Appeals from decisions of the city commission may be made to the courts as provided by the Florida Rules of Appellate Procedure GROUNDS FOR APPEAL As noted above, the Applicant appeals HEPB's decision regarding the Application, also referred to as File ID # 6086. The grounds for appeal are: (i) HEPB's decision was not based on substantial competent evidence; and (ii) the decision fails to follow the essential requirements of law. The City Commission's review of the appeal is de novo. ADDITIONAL MATERIALS Enclosed with this letter are the following additional materials: 1. Appeal fee of $525.00; 2. Certified mailed notice fee of $434.00 ($3.50 x 124 labels); 3, Certified list of adjacent property owners within 500 feet of the Property; 4. Signed certification letter for adjacent property list; and 5. Transcripts from the September 27, 2019 and December 3, 2019 HEPB meetings. Please note, the resolution from the December 3, 2019, HEPB hearing is not yet available. As such, this appeal is being filed early in an abundance of caution.' That being said, we will supplement this letter upon issuance of the resolution. Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. At your earliest convenience, please advise when this appeal is scheduled before the City Commission. Best Regards, Ethan B. Wasserman, Esq. Enclosures Ryan D. Bailine, cc: Todd B. Hannon, City of Miami, City Clerk Warren J. Adams, Historic Preservation Officer The Convent of the Sacred Heart of Miami, Inc. ACTIVE 47603856v1 ' Pursuant to Section 23-6.2(e), the deadline to file an appeal is 15 calendar days from the date of the decision, i.e., the date the resolution is executed by the City Clerk. Greenberg Traurig, P.A. I Attorneys at Law www.gtiaw.com Kt rdr miami I public hearing notification services certified lists of property owners within a specific radius + radius maps + mailing labels + mailouts + notice of public hearing site posting rdrmiami.com 1 diana@rdrmiami.com 1 305.498.1614 December 11, 2019 City of Miami Hearing Boards Miami Riverside Center 444 SW 2nd Avenue, 3rd Floor Miami, FL 33130 Re: List of property owners within 500 feet of: 2180 Tiqertail Avenue, Miami, FL 33133 2190 Tiqertail Avenue, Miami, FL 33133 2167 S Bayshore Drive, Miami, FL 33133 Total number of labels: 124 I certify that the attached ownership list and map are a complete and accurate representation of the real estate property and property owners within a 500-foot radius of the subject property listed above. This information reflects the most current records on file in the Miami -Dade County Tax Assessor's Office. I also understand that a new list will be requested by the City of Miami Hearing Boards if it is determined the property owner information list initially submitted is older than six (6) months. Signature Diana B. 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Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 2167 S BAYSHORE DR - VILLA WOODBINE (COMMISSIONER KEN RUSSELL - DISTRICT 2) ETHAN WASSERMAN, ESQ. (APPLICANT - ON BEHALF OF COCONUT GROVE PARK) / City Hall Meeting. Historic and Environmental Preservation Board. The City Of Miami, 3500 Pan American Drive, Miami, Florida, 33133 on Tuesday, the 27th day of September, 2019, commencing at the hour of 03:00 p.m., and being an Excerpt of a Special Meeting. info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 APPEARANCES: Appearing on behalf of the Applicant: ETHAN WASSERMAN, ESQ. GREENBERG TRAURIG 333 SE 2ND AVENUE SUITE 4400 MIAMI, FL 33131 Page 2 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MS. SCZECHOWICZ: The withdrawal was - - I am sorry, the draw was written by the adjacent - property owner but the appeal itself was written by the appellant who is not here today. So, in order to accept it as an official withdrawal it would need to be by both the applicant -- the appellant who wrote the matter and the adjacent -property owner. MR. HOPPER: I do not think, however, it is figured out there needs to be more of a commitment. MR. HOPPER: The Board needs to dismiss the appeal because the appellant is not here and that is it. MR. HOPPER: Yeah. MS. SCZECHOWICZ: Okay. MR. ADAMS: I will make a Motion to dismiss the appeal. MR. HOPPER : I will second it. MR. HOPPER: Is there any discussion on that Motion? All in favor say, aye. MR. ADAMS: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Yes. MR. ADAMS: All opposed. The Page 3 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 appeal is denied -- dismissed. Okay. MS. ALVAREZ: HEP Item 1, File ID 6082, the resolution of the Miami Historic and Environmental Preservation Board approving or denying an application for a special certificate of approval for developmental impact to significant environmental features on a property located at approximately 2167 South Bayshore Drive. MR. HOPPER: Is the applicant present? MR. WASSERMAN: Good afternoon. Ethan Wasserman with Greenberg Traurig, 333 Southeast 2nd Avenue on behalf of the Applicant. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. We will start with staff report. MS. SCZECHOWICZ: Wendy Sczechowicz, Historic Preservation Planner. MR. WASSERMAN: Can I -- I am sorry, before you begin, these are companion items. Would it be possible to read them together, to hear the items together? Items 1, 2 and 3 are the same project. CITY ATTORNEY: They can be read together. We will just need separate votes. MR. WASSERMAN: Correct. CITY ATTORNEY: Of course on each, but Page 4 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 just like another boards they can be read together. MR. WASSERMAN: Thank you. CITY ATTORNEY: Separate votes and, you know, separate actions on each one. MR. WASSERMAN: Thank you. MS. SCZECHOWICZ: Analysis: The applicant is proposing demolition, restoration, alteration and new construction. CITY ATTORNEY: I am sorry, I do not want to -- but if you wanted to read them together, is that what you are requesting because I -- if you want them read? MR. WASSERMAN: Yeah, that is why I was suggesting they should be read. In the opening all three items were being called at the same time, so. CITY ATTORNEY: Right. CITY ATTORNEY: Three. MS. ALVAREZ: Okay. HEP Item 2, File ID 6086, a resolution of the Miami Historic and Environmental Preservation Board approving or denying an application for a special certificate of appropriateness for demolition, restoration, alteration and new construction to a property located at approximately 2167 South Bayshore Drive. CITY ATTORNEY: Number 3? Page 5 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MS. ALVAREZ: HEP Item Number 3, File ID 6088, a resolution of the Miami Historic and Environmental Preservation Board approving or denying an application for a waiver of the Miami 21 parking standards for a 21% parking waiver on the site for a reduction in the number of parking spaces from 82 to 65 for the property located at approximately 2167 South Bayshore Drive. MR. ADAMS: And I just like to say for these three items we have received 12 e-mails or letters of objection and the 11 e-mails and letters in support of the application. MR. HOPPER: Okay. MS. SCZECHOWICZ: Wendy Sczechowicz, Historic Preservation Planner. Analysis, the Applicant is proposing demolition, restoration, alteration, and new construction. Subject property is located with Environmental Preservation District 60 and the South Bayshore Drive Scenic Transportation Corridor. Environmental Preservation Districts are geographical areas, parcels or corridors, which have been or maybe identified as established by the City Commission as a significant natural or manmade attributes in need of preservation and control because of their educational, economic, ecological and environmental importance to Page 6 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 the welfare of the general public and the City as a whole. Scenic Transportation Corridors are those roadways identified by City Commission Resolution as having a unique landscape and expansive tree canopy and/or unique landscape features. There is a substantial environmental or scenic importance to residents and visitors. The subject property contains environmentally significant features. The significant features of this property protected by the Environmental Preservation District and the Scenic Transportation Corridor are historic coral -rock walls, the silver bluff and the trees. As part of the Applicants€TMs proposed plans, they are requesting to move 113 trees, alter the historic coral -rock walls and multiple points on site and cover the little silver bluff with a deck overlooking the proposed pool. Historic Coral -rock walls, they are coral -rock walls fronting South Bayshore Drive and Tigertail Avenue. Sections of the coral -rock wall at the entrances will be dismantled and rebuilt to allow for the required visibility triangles. This alteration can be supported by staff as the alteration is minor and all materials will be reused in the proposed design. Two coral -rock walls run through the site. A section of the southern wall will be demolished to allow for access to the Page 7 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 auditorium building. This proposal can be supported by staff. The application proposes the demolition of three sections of the northern coral -rock wall. Demolition of the eastern -most section can be supported by staff as this is required for vehicular access to the drop-off point. Demolition of the remaining two sections appears to be proposed to accommodate two projecting sections of the new -main building. Coral - rock walls are a character -defining feature of the site and should be protected and the removal to accommodate a new structure cannot be supported. The proposed new - main building shall be redesigned to allow the retention of these two sections of the coral -rock wall. The demolition plan indicates that all coral rock removed from walls will be salvaged and reused on site. Silver Bluff, the Applicant is proposing to place a deck connecting from the proposed auditorium building to the pool. The new deck is depicted as covering the silver bluff. The Applicant depicts a cantilever deck that is to cover the silver bluff, so that the foundations do not disturb the silver bluff. Section 17-36 of the City Code of Ordinances as amended provides review standards for development activity and Environmental Preservation Districts. These standards state that development should, one, preserve the Page 8 info@dlecourtreporters.cam (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 natural environmental character of all sites and so far as practical by minimizing removal of trees or other significant environmental features. Two, preserve or enhance existing topography and natural land features wherever possible. Five, maintain the continuity of landscape material and spacing characteristic of the surrounding area or scenic corridor. That the development occurs along a designated scenic corridor, the principal natural landscape are manmade elements which form the visual boundaries or enclosing spaces of the corridor shall be preserved in so far as possible. Staff finds that the proposed plan to cover the silver bluff would be in violation of Section 17-36 of the City Code. The deck would obscure the silver bluff from view and thus would be a detriment to the existing feature and the intent of Environmental Preservation Districts and Scenic Transportation Corridors. Trees, as seen on plan sheets L-01 and L-02, the Applicant is proposing the removal of 113 trees. Each of these meets the criteria to be considered a tree as defined within Section 17-2. Of these trees 52 are categorized as a prohibited -tree species as defined within Section 17-2, which must be removed from the site upon development as mandated by Section 17-37B. Remaining trees slated for removal are either listed as being in Page 9 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 poor condition or are located within the footprint of the new development. These reasons are in accordance with Section 17-34. Of the proposed removals 12 meet the criteria to be considered as a specimen tree as defined by Section 17-2. Excluding any hazardous trees, the Tree Preservation Ordinance Section 17-34B imposes conditions that permit applicants must consider when developing a site as relates to specimen trees, one, the applicant may be required to redesign the project to preserve specimen trees or any other tree determined by the Historic and Environmental Preservation Board to be of substantial value due to its species, size, age, form and/or historical significance, provide an alternative plan when feasible which shall include the preservation of such trees and design alterations within the scope and intent of the initially -proposed plan. Two, the applicant may be required to redesign the project to preserve specimen trees or any other tree determined by the Historic and Environmental Preservation Board to be of substantial value due to its species size, age, form and/or historical significance, provide an alternative plan when feasible which shall include the preservation of such trees and design alterations within the scope and intent of the initially -proposed plan. Staff finds Page 10 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 that the plans do not provide any information regarding redesign efforts or relocation efforts as it relates to any specimen tree proposed for removal. Additionally, there are several specimen trees that the Applicant would like to retain on site in very close proximity to significant construction, actively, namely Trees Number 460, 415 and 296. Staff would like to make an update to their staff report changing the recommendation from continuous to denial based on the current submitted plans. Recommendation, pursuant to Section 23-6.24 and Section 23-6.281 of the City of Miami Code of Ordinances as amended and Secretary of Interior Standards, the Planning Department recommends denial of a special certificate of approval. MR. HOPPER: Wait, do not go away. MR. WASSERMAN: They were read, so I think that we will have the staff reports for each? MR. HOPPER: Yes. MR. WASSERMAN: And we are going to have the applicant and whoever else is going to speak here, speak about each and then the Board will consider each. MR. HOPPER: Okay. MR. WASSERMAN: So, please proceed. MR. WASSERMAN: Pursuant to Section 23-6.2B4 of the City Code of Ordinances as amended, the applicant Page 11 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 is requesting a special certificate of appropriateness to allow for demolition, restoration, alteration and new construction on a Parcel Zone T3R, Sub -Urban Transect Zone. The subject property is an individually designated site known as Villa Woodbine located within the John T. Peacock Estate and the Coconut Grove net area. Demolition, the Applicant is proposing the demolition of two single-family homes located at 2180 and 2190 Tigertail Avenue at the north of the site. Once demolished the lots will be incorporated into the new development. The residences are not part of the historically -designated site and are not eligible for individual designation. Therefore their demolition can be supported by staff. An existing structure to the rear of the faculty residences to be demolished, the structure is not within the historically designated area and is not eligible for individual designation. Therefore the demolition can be supported by staff. The pavers to the rear of Villa Woodbine to be removed. This can be supported by staff as they are a later addition to the site. There are coral -rock walls fronting South Bayshore Drive and Tigertail Avenue. Sections of the coral -rock wall at the entrances will be dismantled and rebuilt to allow for the required visibility triangles. These alterations can be Page 12 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 supported by staff. Two coral -rock walls run through the site. A section of the southern wall will be demolished to allow for access to the auditorium building. This proposal can be supported by staff. The application proposes the demolition of three sections of the northern coral -rock wall. Demolition of the easternmost -section can be supported as this is required for vehicular access to the drop-off point. Demolition of the remaining two sections appears to be proposed to accommodate two projecting views of the new -main building. Coral -rock walls are a character defining feature of the site and should be protected. Their removal to accommodate a new structure cannot be supported. The proposed new -main building shall be redesigned or relocated to allow the retention of these two sections of the coral -rock wall. The demolition plan indicates that all coral rock removed from walls will be salvaged and stored for later reuse. Restoration and Alteration, exterior restoration of Villa Woodbine includes restoration of existing windows, doors and iron work, replacement of non - original windows to match original windows, replacement of deteriorated pergola wood rafters and purlins, concrete balcony and wall and damaged or missing floor tiles to match existing, installation of new gutters, Page 13 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 downspouts and exhaust fan louvers, cleaning caudal rock, facade detailing and the repair of the existing roof structure as necessary with clear barrel tiles. The stucco is to be repaired and repainted with a color to be determined. Specifications and manufacturers brochures or color photographs of all proposed new windows and doors shall be submitted to staff for review. Internally, the structure will retain much of its original floor plan, although some interior walls will be removed to accommodate a new teachera€TMs lounge with toilets on the first floor, records storage on the second floor and the installation of a new elevator. Although the designation report states only the four facades of Villa Woodbine shall be considered major exterior surfaces subject to review, all interior historic -floor and wall tiles shall be retained where possible including titles from adjoining rooms when an interior wall is removed. The proposed restoration and alteration of Villa Woodbine can be supported by staff. The faculty residence building is located outside of the historically designated site and is not subject to review. However, the proposed exterior restoration is similar to that of Villa Woodbine. Internally, the structure will retain most of its interior layout on the first and second floors. Minor alterations include Page 14 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 the removal of sections of first -floor walls to provide a more open-plan layout. This proposed restoration and alteration can be supported by staff. New Construction, the proposed new -main building is a two- story structure constructed from block and -- concrete block and stucco with clay barrel -tile patched roofs. Fenestration comprises double casement windows with impact -resistant clear glass, anodized aluminum framing and impact -resistant metal doors. Decorative features include stucco banding at second floor and roof levels, stucco motifs at parapet level, exposed rafters, concrete lattice screens and custom wrought -iron entrance gates. The paint colors are to be determined and shall be submitted to staff for review. The first floor contains classrooms and administrative offices built around the central courtyard containing art rooms and the play area. The building is accessed via a covered walkway with rounded arches which links this building with the new auditorium. The second floor contains classrooms built around the central area, part of which is open to the play area below and part of which contains the library and two covered open-air landing patios. The proposed new -main building can be supported by staff as it is located behind Villa Woodbine and its architectural style incorporating Page 15 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 Mediterranean -revival elements is consistent with the architectural style of the historic structure. The proposed new -auditorium building is a one-story structure constructed from concrete block and stucco with clear barrel -tile patched roofs. Fenestration comprises double casement windows and storefront glazing systems, impact -resistant clear glass and anodized aluminum framing, impact -resistant metal doors and wood doors. Decorative features include stucco banding, stucco motif, exposed drafters and an arched entranceway. The paint colors are to be determined and shall be submitted for review. The proposed new auditorium can be supported as it is closer to the front of the site than Villa Woodbine. It will be built on the vacant lot to the west and will not obstruct the view to develop from South Bayshore Drive. Additionally, the architectural style incorporating Mediterranean -revival elements is consistent with the architectural style of the historic structure. The proposed new -swimming pool appears to be located outside of the historically -designated area and is therefore not subject to review. The pool will measure 75 feet x 45 feet 6 inches and will be surrounded by a pool deck, which will be set back 20 feet from the front property line. The deck will be Page 16 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 raised approximately 4 feet 3 inches above ground level, which is approximately the same height as the proposed new coral -rock wall to be built just behind the property line. The locations of the new -main building, auditorium and swimming pool are in accordance with the designation report which states, every attempt should be made to preserve Villa Woodbine, its unobstructed view to South Bayshore Driver, its limestone bluff and the major trees on the site while allowing sensitive development at the rear of the property and on adjoining lots. However, the drawings indicate the proposed new auditorium building and swimming pool will impact the limestone bluff. The site is located within an Environmental Preservation District. Therefore, a certificate of approval shall be required. Additional new -construction includes a maintenance shop which will be located behind the faculty residence and a security booth located at that the Tigertail Avenue entrance. These structures will be located outside of the historically designated area and are not subject to review. However, neither will negatively impact the historic structure. The planned short parking will be provided for 65 cars, Miami 21 requires 82 species. Therefore, the applicant shall apply for a waiver of the Miami 21 parking standards. Page 17 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 Pursuant to Section 23-6.2B4 of the City of Miami Code of Ordinances as amended, the Historic Design Guidelines and the Secretary of Interior Standards, the Preservation Office recommends approval with conditions of the request for a special certificate of appropriateness. When the site shall be developed in accordance with the plans as prepared by R.J. Heisenbottle Architects submitted as part of Application PZ19695. The plans are deemed as being incorporated by reference herein. The proposed new - main building shall be redesigned or relocated to allow the retention of two sections of coral -rock wall, the tub to be demolished to accommodate the projecting sections of the new structure. Three, specifications and manufacturers brochures or color photographs of all proposed new windows and doors shall be submitted to staff or review. Four, all proposed paint color shall be submitted to staff for review. Five, the labeling of the doors on east elevation drawing of the new -main building is incorrect and shall be corrected. Six, the demolition keynote numbering shall be corrected. Seven, all interior historic -floor and wall tile shall be retained where possible including tiles from adjoining rooms when an interior wall is removed. Eight, the applicant shall apply for a waiver of the Page 18 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 Miami 21 parking standards. Nine, a certificate to dig is required for all ground -disturbing work as the site is located within a high -probability archaeological conservation area. The applicant shall apply for a certificate to dig. Ten, a certificate of approval is required for all work impacting coral -rock walls, trees and natural features such as the limestone bluff as the site is located within an Environmental Preservation District and the Scenic Transportation Corridor. The applicant shall apply for a certificate of approval. Eleven, the applicant shall apply for all required waivers. Twelve, the resolution shall be included in the master permit set. Thirteen, the applicant shall comply with all applicable requirements of the Miami 21 Code and Chapter 17 and Chapter 23 of the City of Miami Code of Ordinances. Fourteen, the applicant shall comply with the requirements of all applicable departments, agencies as part of the City of Miami Building Permit submittal process. And I will move on to the third application. MR. WASSERMAN: If I could jump in for a second just to save everybody time. We have submitted into the record a withdrawal of the parking waiver request and I will reiterate it on the record. We are withdrawing the parking waiver request, so if staff Page 19 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 wants to read it into the record they are more than welcome just in a time sensitivity. CITY ATTORNEY: Okay, so that is Number 3. MR. WASSERMAN: Yes, sir. CITY ATTORNEY: So, number three is withdrawn. There will be no action on it. You are withdrawing it. MR. WASSERMAN: Correct. CITY ATTORNEY: Unless there is an objection, there is no need to -- you do not have that -- all right, you are announcing your withdrawal of -- MR. WASSERMAN: Yes, we have already submitted into the record and I am reaffirming it for the record that we are drawing the parking waiver. MR. ADAMS: Did you submit it to hearing boards? MR. WASSERMAN: I sent it I believe to Historic's Office. If I did not send it to hearing boards, I am happy to send a follow up. MR. HOPPER: Okay. CITY ATTORNEY: Well, if there is no objection to -- you know, no action has been taken on it, so if there is no objection I think you can -- it being withdrawn. Page 20 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MR. HOPPER: Okay. Then is there anything the applicant would like to add two Items Number 1 and 2. MR. BAYLINE: Thank you, Mr. Chair, board members, Ryan Bayline with offices at 333 -- Southeast 2nd Avenue, here today with Co -counsel, Ethan Wasserman and Tucker Gibbs. Also, with us today is Olen Kalkus, the head of Carrollton, various board members and several supporters together with our architect and various consultants. For me and a number of the folks who work at Carrollton and who run the board today is about 8-9-10 years in the making. We have been in the Grove since 1961 with the Barat Campus. In 1992, Carrollton purchased some property right near the Barat Campus up the road on main highway, which is now the Duchesne Campus are here on the Villa Woodbine property. to Barat and Duchesne, the Villa Woodbine and And today we similar property will represent the continuing evolution of Carrollton's longstanding commitment at historic preservation, renovation, bringing structures back to their grandeur in Coconut Grove. We appreciate Lauren and all the staff working with us over the last few months. As my colleague and partner Ethan Wasserman said and he will explain in a few minutes we are here on Items 1 and 2. Page 21 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 Three, as will be explained, was withdrawn because there is no need for a parking waiver. In fact the site is over parked. So, to walk each of you through Items 1 and 2, I am going to call up Ethan so he can explain the technicalities, but we are here with a recommendation of support -- through recommendations of support from staff and we will appreciate this Board's support to continue the evolution of historic preservation that Carrollton has done so well over the last 58 years. MR. WASSERMAN: Good afternoon again, Ethan Wasserman for the record. Just in terms of timing we do have -- you know, it is a significant application and more than one application, so we ask for your indulgence for a little bit longer than the 10-minute mark. So, again, staff explained our application very well, but I would like to take a couple of minutes and drill down on a few issues. The first is your special certificate of appropriateness and just to frame that discussion, this is a board that we have prepared just to show the outlines of the site. So, you can see the historic property is here. This is Villa Woodbine in blue. Our property includes property over here to the -- like south and property to the north as well, but jurisdictionally for the special certificate of Page 22 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 appropriateness, this is the application that is before you. And turning to that application there are really four items for consideration within the historic property. It is the obvious structure, Villa Woodbine. That is the main structure on site. We are 100% preserving that structure. There is also the historic rock -walls running through the property. The way I would explain it is we are 100% preserving them on site. We are making small surgical incisions for visibility at the entrance and exit points to the property as well as internally for minor circulation improvements. The rock bluff on the property which we are essentially not touching and so I want that to be clear for the record that we are preserving it 100% in its existing condition, and I will talk about that more in the certificate -of -approval application which is the environmental side. And then lastly is the major trees on site which we are preserving the major trees on site and you will hear about that in our design presentation momentarily. Staff is fully supportive of this application. We appreciate staff recommendation in favor. There is one issue in order to comply with the condition that staff has read into the record about what we have shown in your plans as eliminating two small pieces of the rock wall, I want to explain Page 23 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 something. So, that I want to and what is in because I want first -- but let me -- before I get to reemphasize what is in your staff report the designation report most importantly, to stick to the certificate of approval about appropriateness before I get to the certificate of approval. And the designation report essentially establishes the jurisdiction of this Board for a historic property and so I want to read a direct quote from the designation report, which is what is the Bible, so to speak, for this property and this is in the conservation objectives. It says, every attempt should be made to preserve Villa Woodbine, which we are, its unobstructed views to South Bayshore Drive, we are 100% doing that, its limestone bluff, we are 100% doing that and the major trees on site, we are doing that while allowing sensitive development at the rear of the property and on adjoining lots. That is exactly the application that is before you. We are complying in every respect with what the designation report intended when this property was designated historic. So, again, now to get to the comment about what staff would like us to do as a condition of approval, we went out several months ago and met with all of our neighbors. We went door to door and met with every neighbor abutting our property. We appeared before the Page 24 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 Village Council and we actually had a neighbor that requested us to move the building over and that is the building location that is in your plans today. What happened was in being a good neighbor and going out to the community we wanted to respond to that neighbor and, again, that is the footprint that is in your plans. What happened was there was a ripple effect by doing that. That caused us to eliminate two small pieces of the rock wall and staff felt it put in jeopardy the retention of a very special tree that we plan on preserving. So, staff's perspective is from an environmental preservation and a historic preservation perspective and they felt moving the building over was not appropriate to achieve those two objectives. So, I do not want to use the words reluctantly but we are proffering to move the building back in accordance with staff suggestions that will eliminate our need to remove two small pieces of the rock wall and it will also allow a more successful or a higher probability of preserving the strangler fig at the center of the property which is a major tree that we plan on preserving. We are also proffering into the record two changes that we -- not changes, but two clarifications that staff asked us to make. On the Tigertail Avenue site, the code requires a minimum 20-foot setback and Page 25 info@dlecourtreporters.cam (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 the building is currently shown at 18 feet 6 inches. When we go for construction permitting and pull the building back from what you see in your plans, there was a concern that staff may not be able to do that administratively without coming back. So, we want to make it clear we are absolutely going to comply with the underlying code and there will be a minimum of 20 foot setback on Tigertail Avenue. We are also making it clear our gates currently show a little architectural feature, a light on top of the gates. That is not allowed by code. We have to make sure our gates are no more than 6-feet in height. So, again, for the record, for clarity purposes, of course we could not do that when we go for permitting, but I just want to make it clear for the record. So, again, we appreciate staffa€TMs full support and full recommendation in favor of the certificate of appropriateness. That is the standard COA that you are used to hearing. We personally have been -- you know, our firm has been involved with Carrollton for many years. We have been before this Board on preservation applications and we appreciate staff support on that item. The second application is the certificate of approval and the certificate of approval is not a common application before you all and to -- again, just to give you guys Page 26 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 the jurisdiction of the Board and why we are here, this is the Scenic Transportation Corridor along South Bayshore Drive. It is on this side of the property, not -- obviously not the Tigertail site but on South Bayshore. And the EP District is a very large district, it does not cover our entire site, but it covers basically our entire project from South Bayshore to those two rear lots back here. So, just to frame the discussion, I thought it is helpful to show this. And turning to the certificate of approval I was a little confused by the change in the recommendation on the floor, but I understand it after talking with staff, what you essentially have if you read through the recommendation is a full recommendation in support of the application subject to two very specific issues, and they relate to the strangler fig in the center of the property and they relate to the bluff. We have met several times and have done several things which I will explain in a minute to make staff comfortable with our application and they -- I do not want to put words in their mouth, I think they will explain it themselves. With our two proffered conditions they are fully in support of the certificate of approval. So, first, turning to the strangler fig in the middle of the property that I kind of discussed about moving the Page 27 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 building over, staff was very concerned about the successful retention of that tree. Notwithstanding that we want to preserve it, staff was concerned that the building location would put that in jeopardy. So, they asked us to do a laser scan of the tree, which I do not think has ever been done before. So, we went out. It was not easy to do in hurricane season to get crews out there, but we did a -- we performed a 3D laser scan, so we could understand the location of the root system, the diameter of the trunk and the canopy - - and the tree canopy and once we did that and then superimposed and I do not want to steal Rich's presentation, Rich is going to show you and we will submit it into the record our plans, we were able to prove that the location of the building, certain construction methods, the height of the building will not jeopardize that tree and staff was supportive and very appreciative because I do not think any applicant has ever done that before on a tree -related issue. So, with the proffer of moving the building back and we are also going to increase the landscape island so to speak around the tree, staff is comfortable that that tree will be retained and it will be a successful retention. The second item relates to the bluff and this one is something staff and I had had many discussions on and a Page 28 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 respectful disagreement on the code criteria for approval and this is the section of the code that, quite frankly, I had not really seen before, an introductory clause like this and I do not know that you all have seen this either. I want to read it for you. These standards are not to be regarded as inflexible and are not intended to discourage innovation or creativity. So, essentially, it is intended to provide a frame of reference. These are not mandates. These are not absolutes. These are not criteria you need to check the box as you go. And staff was really focused on a single line in those five criteria and they felt that the words preserve or enhance was the determining factor whether to support our efforts with the rock bluff. We took the position that the word or we are preserving, therefore we comply, staff would like us to enhance. Having said that, staff suggested and we agreed it was a very good thought, what if we exposed -- currently the bluff is invisible. You cannot see it from South Bayshore Drive. It is completely covered. It is not part of the bluff you see on other properties where it is exposed. It is right on the right of way. No one knows the bluff exists today. What we are going to do is expose it a little bit and there is actually a tree Page 29 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 right where the bluff is and part of our preservation efforts that tree is a major tree and it is important to us. In our deck, we are opening up a platform to allow the tree. We are going to expand that opening to allow people to see into the bluff. We are going to expose. We will, of course, work with an archaeologist to make sure that bluff is sensitively exposed. We are not going to do any demolition. But with that proffer I believe staff will be supportive of our efforts to enhance the bluff as opposed to just preserve third application I have already mentioned is withdrawn, and that really concludes the technical it. The side of my application. I do want to emphasize that we did do a significant amount of outreach. We went door to door with every abutting neighbor on our block. I personally had a meeting with Rachel Cardello of the Village Council in my office. We invited her in. We showed her the plans, walked her through the project. We also had a Village Council presentation in this chamber several months ago. Approximately, 50 people from the community came and attended. Lastly, there was a follow-up community meeting at a local institution, where we were offered the opportunity to present and we appreciated it. These meetings were important to allow us the opportunity to dispel some of Page 30 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 the misinformation about our projects and we thought it was very helpful and we appreciate the community listening to us. So, I am going to turn it over to Rich. I know it seems that there are so many aspects of this application from an environmental preservation, from a historic preservation, we have rock walls, we have major trees that it is almost like you are backed into the design of how you design around the site, but I give Rich a tremendous amount of credit balancing all the needs of this property. I think he did a phenomenal job and staff support on both applications is important to that front. Thank you very much. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Thank you, Ethan. Welcome board members. Allow me a moment to just to re- establish the computer. Here we go. Good afternoon once again, board members, ladies and gentlemen in the audience. For the record, my name is Rich Heisenbottle with offices at 2199 Ponce de Leon Boulevard in Coral Gables and I want you all to know today that it gives me great pleasure to be here. R.J. Heisenbottle Architects is honored to have the opportunity to present this COA application on behalf of the Carrollton School of the Sacred Heart and for the opportunity to restore the historic Villa Woodbine residence and shape the design of the new Woodbine Page 31 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 School of the Sacred Heart. The new school will be a 336-student elementary school serving boys from pre-K through grade 5. I am additionally proud of our client, the Carrollton School, because as you know for decades, they have been the best possible stored of Historic Preservation in the City of Miami. They have successfully restored and maintained El Jardin, the Kiehnel and Elliott masterpiece on Biscayne Bay and sensitively integrated new educational buildings within that historic context and historic landscape. Those of you who have been to the campus know that Carrollton is all about history, it is all about historic preservation, it is about tradition and it is about the environment. It is that same sensitivity and attention to detail that R.J. Heisenbottle Architects has brought to the restoration and new construction of Villa Woodbine another outstanding example of Mediterranean revival architecture, in this case designed by Walter De Garmo, the first registered architect in the State of Florida. I think everybody knows that the building is located on the north side of South Bayshore Drive just across from Kennedy Park and I also think we all know that this is one very heavily wooded site, now used as a venue for wedding receptions and other social events up to 230 Page 32 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 persons. The De Garmo residence itself is used as a support for those events. It houses the kitchen and the administrative offices for the venue. You should know also that on the site are those two deteriorated houses, might be good if Rich presses the right button, the two deteriorated houses on the west site or the Tigertail side of the site. on the screen, they are in grey on this slide. The condition of the your main side of the If you look up on the left of house property is not particularly good. It is certainly not bad, but it is not particularly good and there were significant deferred maintenance and today we would like to go over with you just very quickly what is our true scope of work. We will be doing selective demolition for the site. We will be doing new site work, including site grading adjustments and new parking. We will be doing restoration and rehabilitation of Villa Woodbine. We have miscellaneous repairs to the adjacent residence and we will be constructing a new classroom building and constructing a new auditorium, recreation area and swimming pool. In designing the new site, RJHA took its design cues from the original De Garmo courtyard building and other traditional Mediterranean style educational facilities designed by Kiehnel and Elliott and in doing so, we created a courtyard classroom Page 33 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 building and as you can see from our proposed site plan, we have carefully located that building in the position of the existing non -historic residences and the existing parking lot. For the auditorium building, we have located on a vacant portion of land, unwooded in west and across the driveway from the historic building all of which is there for the purpose of minimizing our intrusion on the site. This is, in fact, the view of the site -- of the auditorium building. It is a perfect grassed location non- impactful to the existing landscape, but let us move on to the star of the show today, because this wonderful De Garmo residence is the star of this show. The reason we are here. Villa Woodbine, we are returning this wonderful landmark to its glory days. So, let us have a look at that existing condition and what it is like today. What you are seeing is the front of Villa Woodbine. One story of the center section and if you look inside, you can see the courtyard and the tile that Warren was referring to and Warren must -- definitely we will be saving as much of the tile as is humanly possible. There will be very limited intrusive work inside the building. This is actually a view inside the courtyard you see the little fountain in there and all of what we are looking at in here is in Page 34 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 fact original. A view from the side, some of the details, the north entrance, the west entrance, west elevation balcony and the motor court that is to the north, where guest in parking occurs right now and also I should point out that wonderful mahogany tree is one of the trees that we are working so hard to save and also have a look at the south lawn and the coral -rock wall and steps and bluff as it exist in front of Villa Woodbine today. That entire section of coral -rock wall as it exists in front of the historic villa and running north to the adjoining residence will only be enhanced and repaired and made visible to everyone. Throughout the rest of the property, we are saving details such as this that are in the coral -rock wall, placing that in the little connector that runs along the sidewalk and connects the main school entrance and the auditorium and each of those coral -rock walls will be enhanced. Going back through that site plan, I want to just take a moment and point out the location of the swimming pool and that is to the right of the auditorium building and I want to make it very clear to everyone that once again we have been careful about where we have placed this swimming pool. Where we have placed it is in the location that you see in the photograph ahead of you on the lower section of a grassed area and Page 35 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 away from the coral -rock bluff. You can actually see here the coral -rock bluff on the hill. It looks like - - in this case, it is not a very pronounced bluff, it is more like a grassy knoll, if you would and this photograph illustrates that the actual condition of that bluff and the live oak tree that we were referring to earlier, the one that we are going to save, our intention here as we described before is to actually cantilever over this bluff. We will be up above the bluff. We have a 30-foot section of cantilevered deck before you get to the swimming pool and we will be exposing the bluff in and around the tree for its own educational purposes and so that the public and the children attending school here can understand some of our natural history. This is a rendering of the repurposed Villa Woodbine and you can see that all of the wonderful oak trees that you see out there today are maintained, that is the auditorium building on our left that is the bluff and the coral -rock wall that exist on site today. So, let me give you just a quick walkthrough of the plans for a moment. What we will be doing in the rear of this building where it says, you see a new teachers lounge, we will be removing the existing commercial kitchen and turning that area into a faculty lounge and handicap restrooms. We will also Page 36 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 carefully be inserting a handicap lift to provide access to the second floor. I would like to point out that in doing so we have devised a way and a location that will not require us to intrude on significant historical rooms within the villa and it will not require the override of this lift extend through the existing roof. So, there will be no architectural impact on the outside of this building. We have only taken over storage rooms and bathrooms as we insert this into the plan. The remaining spaces remain in their original configuration, the original De Garmo configuration. The dining room will be used as a conference room, the living room will be used as a chapel, bedrooms as offices, the building will be repurposed within its historic context. From the outside of the building, generally the work includes restoration of historic windows and doors, removal of electrical conduits, removal of air conditioners that are now poking their way through former window locations, removing electrical panels and conduits that run across the faMade, stucco repairs, roof repairs, new mechanical equipment throughout the building and of course, repainting the entire facility. Generally, this is a building that is well preserved as it is and our job here is to enhance it and take it back to its Page 37 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 earlier configurations and that is what you see in the drawings that are in front of you here and that will be the result. Moving on real quickly to the caretakers, residents, that is the residents of the north that is the one that is not historic, the undesignated caretaker's residence is occupied today and in fair condition will undergo minor renovations, perhaps a new kitchen, a new air conditioning system, repainting, but generally the home will stay as it is today and the important part of that is that what it allows us to do is to maintain the integrity of what we see all along Bayshore Drive. Instead of a development that alters what you see on Bayshore Drive, what we are going to have is a development that enhances Bayshore Drive. One of the things that we were very careful to do and it relates to the De Garmo house is to set up the drop off location for the new school, which is what you are seeing in this rendering, to set up that drop off location as far away from the house as possible, but also to save the adjoining mahogany tree that is in that rendering and to incorporate the courtyard -- similar courtyards from other -- from De Garmo's Villa right here certainly, but similar courtyards from Kiehnel and Elliott buildings and use this sort of a courtyard as our play area for our younger pre-K Page 38 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 students. We mentioned before and I am not going to get into detail on it, I know Warren mentioned it also, that the new building, the two story building, does in fact contain our classrooms and our library spaces and our maker labs and all sorts of wonderful things that will enrich the lives of our students. We have through the course of this project, through the course of the discussions with City staff and adjusting the building and adjusting the building dimensions to make sure in fact that we did everything we possibly could to save the adjoining coral -rock walls and we have and to save the strangler fig tree that I promise I will show you in a minute and in doing so, we have done that in a manner that is -- what I would call traditional architecture. It is traditional in the sense that we are reaching back in time and using a kit of parts that is traditional for the Mediterranean revival period. While we are not doing that quite as literally as to say we are copying them. We are keeping the size and the scale, the archways, the balconies in the same vein that is consistent architecturally with the villa and with the Carrollton School itself and if we look out and take a look at how we have dealt with the entrances. The entrance to this property is going to be along Tigertail and we have incorporated another Page 39 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 coral -rock wall and entrance gate and gatehouse that we think are perfectly compatible with what is out there today and less than 6-foot in height and its very, very highest point. We move just off to the side and look at this in a rendering. We are doing everything to minimize the impact of the two-story building on the street and on the neighborhood. Moving to the auditorium building, this is perhaps a better view of it with the arcade in the front. That arcade ultimately winding and connecting to the main classroom building. The auditorium building not only serves as an auditorium, you can see that on the left, but it also serves as a cafeteria building during the day with a little covered play area on the right hand side, right next to that deck and if you look at the floor plan on your right, you are going to see that we have illustrated the live oak tree and the deck that we are talking about, that entire deck to the right side where the steps are coming down, it is that deck that is 30- feet of cantilever over top of the bluff and we will expose even more of the bluff than you see in this current drawing. We are pleased that this auditorium is in keeping the size and scale of the original villa and we think from this rendering you can see and imagine how nicely it can ultimately be incorporated. Page 40 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 Finally, moving to the South Bayshore Drive elevation, you can see in plan here how the coral -rock wall would be repaired and enhanced at the exit. It will have another security gate, yes, but have the same constraints as the wall in the back. No part of that wall is more than 6-feet high, making it very consistent with the existing wall and in fact we extend that existing wall further to the west or the or as some of us may think of it the south, along Bayshore Drive to provide a buffer to the swimming pool so that the swimming pool will not be visible from the street. So, this rendering really illustrates the outcome of our design from South Bayshore Drive. I feel that it is an enhancement to the historic scenic corridor. It is not just preserving it, it is a true enhancement to that corridor as the wonderful coral -rock walls at Carrollton are in there today. Similarly, the bluff and the coral -rock wall that are in front of the main house, the Villa itself will only be enhanced and repaired as necessary. They are overgrown right now, you can hardly see them. The steps actually exist out there, but they are very, very difficult to traverse. All of that will be enhanced and of course preserved. There is no intervention on that area of coral -rock wall at all. Now, we mentioned landscape -- for Page 41 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 landscape purposes, all of the efforts that went through to deal sensitively with this very sensitive, very heavily wooded site and you can imagine if you look at my renderings or any of these drawings, all of these are a part of the tree disposition plan, but I want you to know that those -- the three trees in particular that we pointed out in plan are in the area immediately adjacent to the new school, growing half over a coral -rock wall and that is this wonderful strangler fig and unfortunately there is no pointer here for me to point that out to you. So, I -- well, I am pointing it out to myself, I am not doing you much good. Oh, there we are. This is the area of that tree and we did do -- we took, you know, some extreme circumstances, Chris, to deal with this tree as our landscape architect, I got to call your neighbor, okay. The first time we have ever gone ahead and laser scanned the tree to identify where the root structure was, to identify where the canopy is and in doing so determine exactly what portions of that tree could properly be trimmed back. We did that with Lisa Hammer, our arborist, who is in the room with us today and we did it with what we think is going to be a great deal of success. We feel very confident that within the traditions of Carrollton we will have saved this Page 42 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 wonderful specimen and that we will be able to build the building at the same time. So, those are the things that we wanted to point out. We would be delighted at this point to answer any questions. MR. BAILINE: Thanks, Rich. In -- in closing, I would like -- I think it is important for the board to hear from our headmaster of Carrollton, Olen Kalkus, it will be very, very brief and then I know there are some members of the public who want to speak. So, we would like to reserve two to three minutes for rebuttal later this evening. Hold on. MR. KALKUS: Thank you board and staff. MR. HOPPER: Do not forget to give your name in there. MR. KALKUS: Thank you for this -- my name is Olen Kalkus. I am the headmaster of Carrollton School of the Sacred Heart. MR. HOPPER: And your address. MR. KALKUS: My address is -- my personal or -- 3403 Poinciana Avenue. MR. HOPPER: Okay. Thanks. MR. KALKUS: So, I want to thank you for this opportunity to speak. I will be brief. I am going to stay scripted. This is still from the heart, but I know that I can go on and on talking about the virtues Page 43 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 of Carrollton. For almost 60 years, Carrollton School of the Sacred Heart has been forming girls into women of faith, courage, confidence and compassion or as I like to say grace, grit and gratitude. Our alumni have given this City, state, country and world; leaders in medicine, education, business, law, engineering, government, non-profit organizations and the arts. We would like to do the same for boys, but we are here to discuss historical and environmental importance and preservation. Carrollton's commitment to historic preservation is most prominent in our use and preservation of the El Jardin Villa and its companion buildings of the estate there and also the Gatehouse. Additionally, buildings from the Howard Hughes Compound, a stone tower possibly from the Matheson Estate, which we are beginning to research, have been preserved on our Duchesne Campus. We are committed to historical preservation. Our commitment to the environment is no less important and evident. Both our campuses have an abundance of trees and grassy areas. As we built out our master plan, we took every measure to protect significant specimen trees and replant any trees that had to be removed. We have kept our large athletic field as natural grass because of its role in carbon exchange and heat absorption by Page 44 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 experimenting with salt tolerant grass rather than artificial turf. We have designated an area on our campuses a natural hammock as well as maintain mangroves by our waterfront. Our yearly participation in the Fairchild Garden Challenge often uses these areas for studies. We have initiated a Bike Share Program for our faculty and staff, our engineering and design tech programs have focused on sustainable design in area, such as renewable energy as evidenced by our solar -powered go-kart project, which has won the Florida competition two years running and is now preparing to compete at the national level. We have installed solar panels on the roof of our wellness center and continue to search for ways to develop and increase our use of sustainable energy as well as ways to reduce our energy use. I can assure you that we would exercise the same care and consideration with Villa Woodbine with this project before you. I thank you for your time and this opportunity to speak. MR. HOPPER: Are there any members of the public who wish to speak on this item, please form a line over here and over here. We will go from side to side. Please limit your comments to two minutes or if not -- please give your name and address for the record. Page 45 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MR. MOSKOVITZ: Sure. Alex Moskovitz, 2185 South Bayshore Drive. It is actually the property that is just the southeast corner of their maps and if you look where their pool is, it is on the other side of the wall that I think Richard tried showing you. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Historic and Environmental Protection Board, my name is Alex Moskovitz. First and foremost, I would like to thank you all for your time and effort. I know it is hard to listen to those folks go on for about 45 minutes and then I am sure there will be a lot of us, so thank you. My primary request to you is to enable me time to -- to research, find and hire an attorney who can assist me in understanding my rights as a property owner, the implication to my own property's value and to better understand the various details of the submissions by Coconut Grove Holdings, Inc. to make changes to the property better known as Villa Woodbine. One must realize that I did not receive notice of this issue until August 29th via certified mail piece. Please note this was just a few days before the original hearing, which have been canceled due to Hurricane Dorian. Furthermore, in the last month, I tried to schedule meeting with Mr. Adams as well as Mr. Francisco Garcia, the Planning Director to learn more Page 46 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 about this plan. I have not had opportunity to meet with them to learn more about the proposals and how they fit into the current Miami 21 Rules. I believe it is improper protocol for immediately adjacent parcels to not have had a greater opportunity to review and evaluate the various plans and potential impacts on me. In the alternatives of providing some sort of continuance, which I know is within your discretion to do, I then suggest the board rejects the resolutions under consideration. As a little bit of additional background, I grew up at this house. I attended Ransom Everglades. I then went on to MIT, University of Pennsylvania. My children go to Ransom Everglades in Temple Beth AM Day School. I have no issue with private education. I think it is wonderful. I think great public schools are also terrific, however, I do not think that enough information has been provided to the community. Moreover, I am not sure it is within these groups purview, but that is mainly my own lack of knowledge and information, which I will acknowledge. I do believe that there are issues around traffic, safeguarding interest of abutting properties that are provided for in Section 238B4B of Miami 21, any decision shall include a complete description of its findings, as well as making sure that the abutting Page 47 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 properties, property rights are not unfairly impaired. I understand that apparently my time is out. So, I will digress. I wish I had more time. They clearly had far more than the 20 minutes that I think you are going to give them. MR. HOPPER: Thanks and I am sure you will take time. MR. MOSKOVITZ: Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Yes, sir. MR. GONZALEZ: Hello, Javier Gonzalez, 3622 Solana Road. Well, I do not any doubt any of the historic preservations that Carrollton and Ransom have done in the past. What I do question is the fact that this is coming before a board before anything has been approved at PZAB. So, to have this conversation before, we even know if there is going to be a school approved if the exception is going to be granted, I think is a little bit farfetched and is a little bit, what is the word, presumptuous. So, I think one of the things that we really have to understand is that this is an exception. This has not gone before PZAB. Well, again, the designs are very pretty, the intent what this property is going to be used for has not even been discussed. So, I think that is something that maybe we want to take into consideration. I think we should either Page 48 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 defer this until PZAB has it and PZAB has decided that this project can even go forward and I think by then you are going to hear from lot of residents that do feel that it is going to be a huge impact on their lives, on their daily lives. I am running for City Commissioner. One of the things that I see every day and I get a complaint about is traffic and I am hearing traffic from Carrollton and Ransom down main highway. This is something that we have to address first at PZAB and then we can bring it back. If this goes through, then we can have this conversation, but to have this conversation prior to even having an approval for the use of this property, I think is again is a little presumptuous and it is a little too soon. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, sir. MR. GEORGE: I am Paul Street, Miami. I am speaking Carrollton School. I had the George, 1345 Southwest on behalf of the good fortune in recent 14th time to write an historic register report, a marker and that stands in front of the school and I just want to talk about the way the institution has been such a guardian, such an advocate of historic preservation. In writing that historic marker, I looked to the school, I studied the school. I just saw the work, the tremendous work and detail and expense Page 49 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 that the institution put into the restoration of both the Gatehouse and the Richard masterpiece in the back and I just feel like if this thing does move forward and I hope it does, do not do the same thing as Richard Heisenbottle indicated with Villa Woodbine. So, I am quite confident that if they do move forward with this project, they will do an excellent job and historic preservation is preeminent it is foremost I believe in their mind with this building. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, sir. MR. FERNANDES: Marcelo Fernandes, 3523 North Bay Homes Drive. So, my comment is more of a question to make sure everyone here understands the purpose of todaya€TMs hearing, because from next door and this feels to me there is a lot of riling up there. From what I understand, this is not about if a school will be granted to use the site or not, it is specifically about the historic preservation of one building, correct and the preservation of trees. Is that correct or is there more being at issue? Those are the two items that are being decided on today? MR. HOPPER: And the demolition. There is also -- MR. FERNANDES: And the demolition of the non - Page 50 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 historic structures. MR. HOPPER: There is also the treatment of the silver bluff from what I heard. MR. FERNANDES: Okay. So, it has nothing to do with the school coming here or not, correct or the use, the school use being approved? I want to make sure that way we do not keep on going with a whole bunch of people talking here what is not the issue today. Thank you. madam. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, MS. MILLER: Hello, my name is Catherine Miller. I live in 3221 Morris Lane. That is a cul-de-sac located if a school is grant, which we do not know, right in between Ransom and Carrollton. I am a mother of two boys, 14 and 11. They both have gone to school here. I am a school volunteer. I teach and tutor German at Carver. I am also very involved in sailing and love the community, but I have a problem. I very often cannot get to my house or out. I also have elderly neighbors that do not -- that needs care and the street is not approachable. I was never contacted. I learned about this project four weeks ago. So, while I see and I love Villa Woodbine, it is gorgeous and also all the architecture is gorgeous that Carrollton Page 51 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 wants to do and I have nothing against schools. I am very -very concerned and actually really -really not impressed on the way we were informed being so close to this Villa Woodbine that I see every day. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, sir. MR. SILVER: Good afternoon. Scott Silver, 2000 South Bayshore Drive. I also own a home at 2311 South Bayshore Drive, so on both sides of this property. I have no quarrel with Rich -- Mr. Heisenbottle's design for the house. The house is beautiful and the restoration would be beautiful. The question is here for a certificate of appropriateness. There is an ordinance that protects from this -- this 27th Avenue the Bayshore ridge, the Silver Bluff, the coral -rock ridge that is up there. There are only a few areas where you can actually see it. What the school, the placement of the auditorium and the pool should be simple matter. That is so inappropriate and I think that is why we are here to determine whether it is appropriate or reasonable to do that. This is one of the few -- I have been driving down that street well, not driving, I guess, I have been going down that street for 50 years and I am telling you that view and the feeling of Bayshore Drive on that side is incredible. Now, from them to come forward say that Page 52 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 they are going to enhance the coral -rock bluff by placing a deck over and putting a hole in it, I am going to enhance this microphone by putting my handover. It does not work that way by simply just simply covering it I think that is almost -- frankly is almost laughable. I know that breaches the decorum in this facility to laugh at it, but when they said that I found that humorous. In fact, I even -- I thought I heard them say and I want to clarify that, they said that staff was okay with them enhancing it that they consider that to be an enhancement. I would love to hear from staff whether that truly would be a way to simply put a hole in the deck so somebody from the top of the deck and see the questions preserving the view quarter and I would say and I think many of the residents who live on either side of it, it is not just a view there it is from the front, it is from the sides. The auditorium and the pool area would block it. Also, in that area, there is a limitation with an -- you cannot build structures within 85 feet at Bayshore Drive, there is a setback requirement on that and the pool itself comes within that, maybe not the building, but the pool does. So, if we are talking about what is appropriate and reasonable, I think you have to look at the spirit of it and you guys are here Page 53 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 to preserve the spirit of that section of Bayshore Drive and I think certainly the pool and the auditorium and then the question whether the school even is an appropriate use there will be before another forum, but your jurisdiction, your determination today should simply reject it on that. I do not think it should be continued. It should be rejected and they can come back if they want with something else. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, sir. MR. GARCIA-DIAZ: I am Fabian Garcia -Diaz. I am a neighbor adjacent to the property. My home is at 3121 Southwest 22nd Avenue. I know this property by heart. It goes -- it is in my backyard. So, I know the nature of the property. I know the habitants, which are a beautiful family of peacocks. I know the use of this property. This property is one of the few historic -- few properties villas in North Grove. It can be rented for a birthday party, it can be rented for any function and simple people can access to the property and enjoy the history that this property brings to us and that is the legacy of the City of Miami preserving this property. If we change this to private hands, there will be a fee to pay, a very heavy fee to pay and we will lose a property that can be accessible to anybody. On top of that on the Page 54 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 presentation done very carefully, I see that they are talking about sensitive development. What that means sensitive 40,000 square feet, 35-feet high building with a swimming pool and I do not see nothing sensitive adding to a place that was a single family home and is still is a single family home, granted that has a lot of land and it is nested, surrounded by single family homes. I bought my house there because Coconut Grove has history, has the charm of our canopy and we are all here to protect that or at least this commission has been created to protect that. So, I do not see nothing sensitive about putting a massive school in a residential section and I am not against Carrollton at all. I think it is a fine school and there are plenty of other places that they can expand and put beautiful facilities, but not in a residential section, where we are resident. We bought there years ago. They are newcomers and so -- and they do not own the property here. I heard about -- MR. HOPPER: Thank you. MR. GARCIA-DIAZ: You are welcome. MR. HOPPER: You time is up. Thank you very much. Yes, madam. MS. HAYDOCK: Good afternoon, Board. I am Ellie Haydock. I live at 1617 Tigertail and I go down that Page 55 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 street all day many times a day. Sometimes it takes me 15 minutes just to get from 22nd Avenue to Seminole Street it is because Ransom Everglades has not planned a good drop off and pick up, you know, plan for to not block the road. There is no stacking lanes. The police do not do their job of moving people along very well and I am scared to death of what another school at that corner with everything coming through on Tigertail, what it will do. I think it just is not possible. My comments maybe premature because it has not been approved yet and I agree with another speaker that why are we talking about appropriateness now when it has not been deeded a good project at that site. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, madam. MS. GRADY: Hi, everyone. My name is Shakeh Grady and I work with an organization called Breakthrough Miami and we have been partners with Carrollton for about 10 years. So, Breakthrough Miami, our job is we want to narrow the performance gap between kids in under resource communities and their peers in better resource communities and Carrollton has been a partner with us for the last 10 years to that end. And so, I kind of just wanted to come up and just kind of share a Page 56 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 little bit about how I have firsthand experience about how the space is actually used and I think it is actually really valuable. So, -- I wrote some notes so I could stay on track and be under time. So, one of the things that I have done since I have been at Carrollton working with Breakthrough is I partner with Carrollton's archivist to help train my volunteers and staff and one of the reasons that I did that was because I wanted the volunteers to understand the historic import of the space that we would be using for our programming and I wanted them to kind of model that for the kids. So, that is one of my favorite parts of the training, but then also during our programming, we also partner with actual historic preservationists, who talked to the children about the different kinds of careers that they probably never would have heard of or been exposed to had they not participated in this program. And so, my kids come from all over Miami right here in the Grove, a lot of them go to Tucker Elementary, participate in the barnyard and so for a lot of them their experience at Carrollton totally is a gamer changer and I know that that sounds a little bit dramatic, but the fact that they actually are learning in a space that is beautiful that was made for them, really helps them see what is possible. So, I just Page 57 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 support Woodbine Playschool project. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, sir. MR. LOPEZ: Mr. Chairman, Honorable members of the board, Irene Lopez, reside at 1889 South Bayshore Drive. We also have the privilege of having our law offices on 2665 South Bayshore Drive. So, we rise and join our extended Carrollton family here today in support of this application and wish to share with you, not only our personal experience over the last 15 years and we understand our neighbors concerns, but we also remind I guess not necessarily to you that the focus of the todaya€TMs hearing is very clearly documented in the record that you have before you today and we respectfully request your support for both Item 1 and 2. Thank you very much. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, sir. MR. KANTE: Hi, my name is Issac Kante. I live at 2131 South Bayshore Drive. I share about 500-feet with this property. For the record, I was not reached by anybody from the other side to discuss anything with me pertaining to this. I discovered all of this through big and all of the local neighbors. To tell you obviously from a homeowner, the obvious, I think that I do not, A, have enough time to review everything. I think it is going to affect us from traffic valuation Page 58 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 and every other issue out there. I do not think you are preserving -- the purpose of your board is to preserve the historical significance of Villa Woodbine. The architect obviously will be -- has and will do a great job, but let me talk to you from a different perspective. I am also a Carrollton parent. I have my daughter there now. I had my other daughter that graduated. My wife is a Carrollton alum. I am a proud -proud personal pertaining to Carrollton. I think it is phenomenal school. This is nothing to do with the school from its integrity; however, I will tell you this. I think that if you approve it, you are doing them a major disservice and I will tell you why. If you listen to Mr. Bayline's presentation, they have been here for 60 years. In 60 years, they have grown, where my wife's class was a class of 25 students to close to 70 students now per class. They have probably built between five to six brand new buildings in these years. You are put -- the reason I say it is a disservice, forget about me as an homeowner, but you are going to be putting them on the property and they have been desperate looking for a property for years and they just have this opportunity and they are jumping on it actually not even with the right reasons The property is too small. They will never be able to Page 59 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 grow. They are going to outgrow it the day they start. So, what would they do the next day? What is going to happen? That means they are going to have to find another property in the Grove. There is no more property in the Grove. They need -- and in addition to that, I think probably and I am going to make it up a number somewhere between 70o to 800 of the students will not be coming from the Grove, will not be coming even from this part of Miami. They are coming from Pinecrest, South Miami, Kendall, Coral Gables. So, when you talk about impacting traffic, yes, we as neighbors are complaining about our local streets, but you are clogging all the way from Old Cutler from, you know, and there is -- I was going to say something, a bad word. Anyway, from a really far place all the way through Miami. So, this is not the kind of traffic that -- you know, this is not just three blocks you are talking about. You are talking about probably 15 miles worth of traffic that you are creating. In addition to that, these are all pre-K kids and young kids and if anyone here has children, they all know they get sick in the middle of the day. So, this is not just traffic two hours in the morning and two hours in the afternoon. This is an all day event, okay and again, I share 500-feet. They are about to destroy my entire Page 60 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 view. I am going to lose a 100 trees. I am going to lose all my canopy. I mean this is not -- this is is not -- , but that is again that is on a personal level, but I need you to look at it and -- you know, again, you are here for the benefit of Carrollton and I am telling you are servicing them a disservice and I love this school, I love what they are doing. I am proud to be a parent, but that does not mean that it is the right place, okay? Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you sir. Yes, madam. MS. AGUAYO: Hi, Good afternoon. My name is Ayari Aguayo, 2500 Biscayne Boulevard, Miami. I am here on behalf of Honey Shine, Inc. Honey Shine was founded in 2002 by Tracy Wilson Mourning to provide a safe and nurturing experience for girls from underserved communities. We have been partners with Carrollton for about 13 years. Thanks for this partnership, we have been able to take girls out of their communities, including Miami Gardens, Opa-Locka, Little Haiti and expose them to a safe learning environment. Thanks to Carrolltona€TMs partnership, we were able to give a scholarship to one of your honey bugs, which is what they are loving known as to one of our dear girls Jasmine, six years ago. She began at the school not Page 61 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 knowing anyone and was able to graduate with a sisterhood and full community support. Again, this is all thanks to the partnership of Carrollton. When we first got onto the campus, I know myself, I am new to the Miami area, I was absolutely speechless. On a personal note, I asked some of the staff if they could show our honey bugs a little bit about the community, a little bit about the buildings and the trees. The staff then explained on the Duchesne Campus, the prominence of the oak trees and reminded us that Duchesne apparently means oak tree in French. Later on, our honey bugs became stewards of the campus and shared the stories with their friends and family. We are proud to be partners of the Carrollton School of the Sacred Heart and fully support their project. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. MR. JIMENEZ: Good afternoon Joe Jimenez with offices at 2020 Salzedo in Coral Gables. I am here as a Carrollton parent. I have two daughters there. I am the uncle of two grads. I am friends with some of the grads that I have seen in the audience and from the purview of his board is what I would like to speak to. I think there is no better evidence of what they will do to preserve this campus as what they have done on Page 62 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 their existing two campuses. The connection that the women who leave Carrollton feel to that school is evident just by talking of them. The connection that the girls that they are now feel to that school is evident just by how happy they are to go there, having lunch outside, enjoying the historic buildings that have been preserved and responsibly developed with new buildings. I would appreciate the support of this board for these applications. I would like you to decide this on the record, let other boards do what other boards will do, but please use your expertise to evaluate their application favorably and approve these two items. Thank you very much. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, madam. MS. CARPENTER: Good evening, honorable mentions - honorable members of board and City staff. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to speak. MR. HOPPER: Name and address, please. Thank you. MS. CARPENTER: My name is Elena V. Carpenter. I reside at 1660 South Bayshore Court, Coconut Grove, Florida. I went on your website because I wanted to clarify and understand the order of the proceedings of why I was coming to HEP Board versus PZAB and I read Page 63 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 that your board is charged with promoting the preservation of the City's heritage and closely monitoring alterations to make informed decisions concerning the preservation of the physical environment. So, I am really glad we are here because this is our environment and you and we who reside in the Grove need to protect it and preserve it. So, you buy a home. You could easily assume that you could be provided by the City with the protections that you think you receive when you buy a single family home in a single family home zoned district. Now, you are having to face the possibility of having a school next door, how would you like that? An auditorium 10-feet away from the nearest house, a walkway connecting the classrooms 10-feet away from the single family home next door, this use incompatible and it proposes to destroy your neighborhood and our environment that I hope you will protect. Right across the street are the Twisted Sisters. I am sure you are familiar with them, formally known as Grove at Grand Bay. We call them the Twisted Sisters. Twenty stories 96 condos. Imagine putting one of those towers at Villa Woodbine. What would happen then? You know what, I think the neighbors might be happy if you did and you put one of those towers there. Why? The average occupancy would Page 64 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 be 40o to 50o at best. No 400 cars lining up at 08:00 a.m. and 02:00 p.m., no plays, no musicals, no auditorium events. It have more trees, more landscaping, more green space, no damage to coral - rocks, the silver bluff, no destruction of the neighborhood fabric and peace. Please preserve our limited heritage in Coconut Grove. We have trees and nowhere else in the City of Miami do we have them and we do not want to disrupt our fabric, the reason we moved into this community. Please do not allow a school that is going to serve everybody, but maybe 200 from the Grove. My son went to Ransom. His friends were from Miami Beach, Pinecrest, South Miami, Coral Gables, you name it. So, do not sacrifice our neighborhood to serve so many others. This is not about Carrollton. I went to the Sacred Heart School. They are a fabulous organization. It is not about them. It is about preserving our neighborhood and we hope they go somewhere so they can serve others. Thank you for your time. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, sir. MR. HECHT: Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, board, I am Gary Hecht and I live at 2751 Southwest 22nd Avenue. It is sort of fun being on this side of the day. I was on that side for four years. I sat just a couple of Page 65 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 seats away from Hugh Ryan there. We would look at each other and we looked at each other because sometimes people would come before us -- all the time people came before us, but we knew in our gut something just was not right. We knew it. He knows that and other people know it. You started mentioning a name like De Garmo and then you have the name -- you have the historical designation. What are we fooling around with here? You know, I have watched dismantling of Miami for 25 years and there is not much left. I wish that -- I know it does not, but I wish that all live the life. I wish the traffic has some gravitas with the board, but it really does not. That is not the deal. The deal was this is historical. We should not fool around with it. That is a deal. Now, somebody else brought up other boards will be attending to this and only the good lord knows where that is going to go, but from an historical perspective I really urge you as an old colleague and as a lover of Coconut Grove, please do not touch this. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, madam. MS. TREISTER: Hello. I am Lisa Treister, 1624 Micanopy Avenue. I lived at my home for 35 years. About six years ago, they tried to put a Montessori Page 66 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 school on South Bayshore Drive behind my house and I with the help of other neighbors was able to stop that, because as we know when one school goes in, it all starts crumbling and this a perfect example, you have Ransom, so easy to put Villa Woodbine turn that into a school. I am sure most of you up here have never driven down Tigertail or South Bayshore when these schools are getting out. That also includes the school that is by Mercy Hospital. So, we are inundated during certain hours of the day. We cannot get to and from our homes. We have people cutting through our neighborhoods, not stopping at stop signs, going too fast. We are still going to have that. If this happens, we will just have more parents racing through our neighborhood. I think, you know, we talked -- everybody is talking about historic preservation and enhancement. This does not enhance or preserve anything. It just makes a total mess for people like the people who are speaking here today about their homes that they bought in these neighborhoods, assuming they were going to remain single family neighborhoods and suddenly we have schools coming into our neighborhoods. By the way, it is great for our property values. My property value is going to skyrocket. It has been going up, but that is not the Page 67 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 point and the point is not and I love Breakthrough and Honey Shine. I served on the board of Breakthrough. That is great, I love that. They can go stay at their schools. They do not need to come into the neighborhood with these giant schools. Just take a look for yourselves, come down these streets, you cannot drive, so you have to figure out your day and sometimes you cannot to get around the lines, especially Tigertail. He showed the Tigertail, how is that going to work? That is a two-lane road. So, think about that, please. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, madam. MS. TEJADA: Hi, my name is Alex Tejada and I live at 3172 Virginia Street in the Grove and this is my first meeting, so hello. When I heard about the Carrollton School trying to buy Villa Woodbine, I felt compelled to leave work early today to kind of at least express how I feel about the Grove. Today is about Historic and Environmental Preservation, right? The reason I came to the Groves because I love the environment and what the Grove has to offer. I run down Bayshore every day. I live here, I work here and I just felt like it was important for you guys to know that, you know, from a community member, although I do Page 68 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 not share a property line, you know, I appreciate the beauty while driving down or running down Bayshore and you know, the designs that they outlined while they are pretty, I think it masks the true beauty of what already exists and I would like to highlight. I do not think it is fair that they get to speak for like 40 minutes and everyone else gets to speak for like what two minutes, but I just wanted to, you know, kind to put my two cents in and I think what is already there is beautiful and everything they outlined it is kind of just adding to the Grove of, okay, let us build something new that looks old or, you know, soap boxes that, you know, encroach on property lines, I think maintaining the canopy is very important, you know, not only to people who share this property lines, but the people who drive by them every day and although this is not a forum to discuss the traffic, I think it is important to know that their designs, you know, that they showed today would cause buildup onto both Tigertail and Bayshore. Today, I actually was late because of the traffic. I just wanted to share my thoughts and I am strongly against this and I wanted that noted. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, sir. MR. CRAW: Darren Craw. I live at 3530 Rockerman Page 69 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 Road, which is a street over from Villa Woodbine and I have a question. Is the owner of the property here? So, why are they here? Is the owner -- does the owner understand that we as the neighbors are going to be impacted immensely by this endeavor. Can we talk to the other owner and so he can understand the gravity of what he is doing? MR. BAYLINE: Ryan Bayline. The owner of the property is not here. We have a contract to purchase the property. The owner of the property is not within the country. MR. CRAW: But I do not understand why you are presenting this and not the owner of the property, because I understand the owner needs to come up forward. If we are questioning and we are the neighbors of the adjoining properties. I think he needs to face his neighbors. MR. BAYLINE: I defer to Mr. Suarez. We are the applicants. We are the ones proposing this development, not the owner. MR. CRAW: So, he does not understand the gravity of what he is doing to us, that is -- CITY ATTORNEY: The application to be evaluated by the board is, you know, under the applicable regulations that the board is well aware of Page 70 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 and so far as the status of the person filing, that is many times the owner; however, the City does allow when there is a documented purchase and sale agreement, agreement to acquire and so forth of record and a power of attorney or someone who act on behalf of another when they are buying the property to present a certain application. So, that is not unique to this particular applicant. MR. CRAW: Have the neighbors -- I do not think any of the neighbors have seen the contract. This is hearsay. Am I correct or is this a valid contract? CITY ATTORNEY: Oh, I mean I do not know. I do not know what the neighbors have seen or not seen, but I, you know -- look, I am happy to assist whoever, but I am here to Counsel the board, not to answer questions. MR. CRAW: Okay. But I am asking the owner. I need to ask the questions of the owner. CITY ATTORNEY: I cannot speak for them either, you know. MR. CRAW: What I would like the board to understand is when I bought the property -- when my wife and I bought the property in the Grove, the Grove is unlike any place in Miami. I do not -- it is a hammock, it is with trees. When you are on a concrete Page 71 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 road like US-1 and you turn into the Grove or when you are in Little Havana and you are coming down of 22nd Avenue and you pull into the Grove, you calm down. It is a major difference and to me, to many of the homeowners and to many of the people that live there, this is an important part of our life. The only other thing if I can quickly just say, if you were to build the same footprint on the Vizcaya, you would be putting in a 760,000 square foot building on Vizcaya and by approving this indirectly, you might give someone in the future that chance to do that to Vizcaya. I ask you to please -- please defer it, but I would ask you to deny it. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, madam. MS. RHODES: Hi. My name is Ebony Rhodes. I live at 3146 Hibiscus Street. I am here speaking on a personal note. Actually, I live in the -- I am a proud Grove resident and I live one of the wood -frame vernacular homes that was recently considered as part of the individual historic destination process and to be honest it was frightening to be a part of that process and I understand completely how it is a difficult decision to think about how to have your property, your personal property serve a public use and Page 72 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 I will have to say honestly I am also the Director of Community Partners at Carrollton School of the Sacred Heart and I am proud to be in this position and to have learned how to be in such a great resource like El Jardin from Carrollton. I learned -- I felt like I was impacted by my time there in the way that our culture really values historic preservation, help change my position to be in support of that project even when it was a personal decision. So, again, also I am proud to be in a position to also be someone who can speak firmly as it is my job to serve the community and be a part of the Grove in a meaningful way. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, sir. MR. FREED: Hi. My name is Jim Freed. I live at 555 Northeast 34th Street in the City of Miami. I am running for City Commission and everybody I talk to the number one issue they mention is traffic. The application looks like a disaster for South Bayshore Drive and all the adjacent neighbors, who assumed they would be living in a residential neighborhood. They would not be impacted by commercial encroachment. That is what this is. All the stakeholders and neighbors seem to be upset about it. South Bayshore drive is in gridlock at rush hour in the morning and in the Page 73 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 afternoon and midday has not been great either. I think you should consider all of this when you are considering this application. Thank you so much for the time. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, sir. MR. KUVIN: Yes. Good afternoon. My name is Lowell Kuvin. I am an attorney. I represent a non- profit organization named Bayshore & the Grove. It is made up of people who live within 500-feet and also adjacent to the property that is -- the applicant is seeking to develop. What I would like to say is that this is a good project; however, this is the wrong location. The first thing is, is that the people who are seeking to develop this property do not actually own this property at this time. They have a contingent contract from what I understand. So, they do not really have any skin in the game as we may say. We have a lot of people who own property there that have lived there for a very long time, people that live adjacent to this property that do have skin in the game. So, if you were to vote against this and changing in the historical nature of this project, they would be out perhaps maybe what they paid for their architect and these plans and they can take these plans to another piece of property somewhere else in Miami - Page 74 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 Dade County and erect a school. The only thing I want to say today is no one here today or from what I have heard is anyone is anti -Carrollton. Carrollton is a very fine school. I actually had the pleasure of working there teaching sailing one summer in the 80s. The other thing I wanted to say is no one here is the anti -school. So, again, they can take this project to wherever they want to take it, but just not on this piece of property. It is the wrong place if we look at the coverage. So, the attorney for the applicant said at least a half dozen times today that this is what we are going to do and that means and that shows that the plans as well as the application before the board here today are incomplete and my clients have not seen any of this presentation today, any of these pictures, any of these renderings. The application laws -- when we talk about -- the application calls for a pool deck. So, I am going to go straight at the historical stuff. So, the application calls for pool deck to cover the silver -- that covers the silver bluff. The staff recommendation on this found that this was unacceptable and that has not changed in the plans and then again we go back, this is what we are going to do, but that is not what is on the table here today before the board. That is in the future. The next thing is, is the staff Page 75 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 also found that the proposed new -main building shall be redesigned to allow retention of the two sections of the coral -wall that the plans call for the removal of. Again, that is what we are going to do, but it is not part of the plans in front of this board. So, the other thing is, is that the NCD3 intent, which I am not going to read, but you know what it is, has not been met. They have not in any way addressed this today. It is part of their application, but they have not talked about how they are meeting the intent of this particular portion. So, what I would ask you to do is to continue this item, take a drive through the property, I did so today, you will see why. Allow the applicant to show the public what they are going to do to satisfy the due process requirements and to set this on the future agenda so that everybody is playing on an equal playing field. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you.Yes, madam. MS. PALOMO-PUJO: Alexandra Palomo-Pujol, 2455 South Bayshore Drive. Thank you everybody for your time. I went to Carrollton and Ransom, but I needed to get up here and employ you guys to protect the precious and fragile ecosystem that exists here. I mean I already know it is a nightmare to drive up down main Page 76 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 highway all the way up through Cutler. I remember the last few hurricanes. We were one of the last neighborhoods to even be able to get it back together. I do not think we have the bandwidth at all for this and we have been tasked to be more resilient as a City and so I do not think we need to destroy a bunch of property, destroy a bunch of trees to promote education. I am sure there are existing properties that we could find, that we can work with and that is all I want to say. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, madam. MS. PUJOL: I do not know. Am I the last speaker? MR. HOPPER: We will see. MS. PUJOL: Okay. So, my name is Rose Pujol. That was my daughter and I live at 2455 South Bayshore Drive since 1984 and I want to say something regarding the t-shirts and that the group that is here today. We officially came together formally August 30th. I can tell you that I personally have jumped fences, left flyers, met with people that are adjacent to the property that have no clue. I do not have a problem with Carrollton. Sister Ann is here. I see mothers of -- my eldest daughter that also attended Carrollton. I know that we have a problem with the fact that this has Page 77 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 been slipped under the radar and something this big, how can that happen in our City. I have an issue as a homeowner with the fact that your board from what I read, intent and purpose, stabilize and improve property values and neighbors, I mean the City as a whole to foster civic pride and accomplishments of the past. Somehow the system is being utilized in a manner that we as a community are not being involved. I can tell you that August 17th we had a meeting at Berries, informal, let us just get together and see what is happening with this process. I appreciate Olen Kalkus and Tucker Gibbs showing up. Believe it or not, that is the very first time any of us had an opportunity to have any kind of engagement on this project. I was shocked today when Sister Ann actually said to me believing it with her heart that the community and the neighborhood had been reached out to. I can tell you that has not happened. Thank you very much. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Anybody else? MR. HARVEY: As long as there is just one more shot. My name is Bill Harvey. I live at 3566 Rockerman Road. I also own 3580 Rockerman Road. This whole incidence it just seems very incompatible with the neighborhood for a yet another school and yet more Page 78 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 traffic. I have lived here since 1991. I grew up in Miami. I think I might have even gone to high school with one of the members of the board here. So, again, I just think you have heard a lot of people talk. There is just a tremendous amount of traffic and involvement of people. We did hear very late about this in the game. There have been rumors. Clearly, the property just seems like it is -- we are putting the cart before the horse here since it has not even been approved by zoning. Thank you very much. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Anybody else? This will be your last chance. Okay. You have a few minutes for rebuttal. MR. BAILINE: Thank you Mr. Chairman. A couple things that I want to respond to and then, you know, obviously I think there maybe some questions and we will allow the board a little break. The folks wearing the t-shirts that there is a group here today, so without them saying anything, I would like to have the other group that would be all of those who are in support of the school to stand up. Many of them did not speak, but I wanted just to let you know that there is another group here as well. Couple things, when we started this process and I say we, meaning the school and the consultants, myself, Mr. Page 79 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 Wasserman and Mr. Gibbs, we decided who would do what and I can have Mr. Gibbs come up and he could take a whole bunch of time and he could introduce his notes. He sat in several peoples living rooms who are here. He went to the Coconut Grove Council with 55, 56, 50 people, several of them who are here. He went to Berries I believe with Mr. Kalkus and met with some of the people who are here. I think because we have been working at this for so long maybe and I am a little bit miffed, but to say that this was slipped under the radar, we went to the Coconut Grove Council in June and told all 56, 57, 58 people when we would be coming here. Unfortunately, we did not make it in August because of the weather. So, I just want to go on the record, we did actually more in terms of proactive communication and call it disclosure and showing plans than that I think your average applicant does. Couple other items just for clarifying the record. There are two items, Item Number 1 and Item Number 2. I believe Item Number 1 Warren could confirm is the certificate of approval that was recommended for continuance because of two minor reasons. We have agreed with staff's position on both exposure of the bluff and the slight modification to move the building. So, I would like it clarify that based on those two changes and our Page 80 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 agreement to do that that staff as they have represented to us is now recommending approval of 1 and 2. MR. HOPPER: Staff, is that true? CITY ATTORNEY: Yeah, it would behoove the board to confirm that statement on the record from staff that that is not in fact the case, because -- MR. HOPPER: We would have to -- MR. BAILINE: I am sorry? MR. HOPPER: Give staff -- CITY ATTORNEY: And I think that just for the benefit of preservation officer, the applicant's representative should restate statement he just said so -- MR. BAILINE: Oh, I am sorry. I believe that -- I believe at the beginning of the presentation on the certificate of approval that the recommendation was changed from continuance to recommendation of disapproval for two reasons, one being the treatment if you will, or the exposure of the bluff area and the secondly the location of the building. Staff was asking us to, you know, move it 5- feet and had that 3D very fancy expensive digitized tree root system studied on and that based on those two agreements on our part with staffa€TMs recommendations Page 81 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 that the recommendation on the overall application, the certificate of approval would be to approve it. So, I just wanted to clarify that. MS. SCZECHOWICZ: Wendy Sczechowicz, Historic Preservation Planner. We are in agreement with those conditions that there would be more of a way to view the silver bluff within the deck and this is Matthew Melvin from Environmental Resources and he can reiterate the conditions for the tree. MR. MELVIN: Matthew Melvin, Environmental Resources Specialist for the City. Yeah, the condition that they proffered previously with shifting and I want to clarify the west wing, further away from existing Tree 460 in addition to eliminating some of the parking spaces to accommodate more of the critical root zone. MR. BAILINE: We are in complete agreement with staff is asking. I just wanted it just for purposes of on the record that now that I just wanted to say after confirm that our agreement with their conditions or recommendations that comes with staffs now support of our request for certificate of approval. MS. SCZECHOWICZ: That is correct. MR. BAILINE: Thank you. Few more just record keeping items if you will. As a couple Page 82 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 people have said this board similar to Carrollton is charge today with, you know, evaluating the historic preservation and the preservation relocation or what have you, accommodation of the structures and the trees and that the ancillary issue some of which have been discussed by various folks are not before the board and I do want to say in wrapping up that there were a couple people that said I will paraphrase them, why are we ever here if the school not approved? Today, we here for the structures and I would defer to, you know, Mr. Rafael and City Attorney and Warren like in working with staff over the last several months, we are here first based on planning department protocol. We are here because that is the order in which these approvals are reviewed historic and then change of use. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: And would you confirm that for us, please. CITY ATTORNEY: Board knows for example when you are looking at your first item, the special certificate of approval for significant environmental features, this is the board for that. As for the special certificate of appropriateness, it is true that many times applicants do come first to this board for particular historic resources that maybe in Page 83 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 question or being modified or otherwise adapted or changed and if this board does and it was them give approval, it is always subject to, if this board has not given a waiver that it is allowed to do or an expectation that it is allowed to do, which is you know are limited, they are always subject to Miami 21 compliance. They are subject to review by PZAB for Miami 21 compliance. They are subject to review by the various disciplines, building, planning and zoning department for compliance of the various regulations. So, I do not think the statement is inaccurate. MR. ADAMS: I also think it is very important to point out that this is a fairly complex site. The majority of the site is covered by the environmental protection area, which is your certificate of approval, but only part of the site is actually historically designated. So, your purview is the boards as far as I am aware and we can confirm this, you can only comment on the historically designated area of the site and I think the applicants actually had an overhead, which actually shows you what is designated. So, my question would be, if the swimming pool and the auditorium are not within the designated area, then unfortunately the board do not really have any purview over that. Page 84 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 CITY ATTORNEY: I know this is probably not going to be a welcome opinion, but our position has always been that this board while it has very considerable jurisdiction has jurisdiction over designated historic resources, designated historic sites, designated historic districts and not outside of it because this is the historic board. So, I have not gotten into the weeds as to what is, but if that is technically true, legally right. The board's purview is on the historic portions, if you will. MR. HUGH: And the environmental portion, which I imagine would be the limestone CITY ATTORNEY: Yes. And indeed correct, the environmental. MR. HUGH: The limestone bluff is significant and the pool and the auditorium are both affected. CITY ATTORNEY: Yeah, exactly yeah. Yes. MR. HUGH: So, that is a part of it. CITY ATTORNEY: The environmental preservation district standpoint and what is actually designated. MR. HUGH: Yeah. And you have Page 85 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 the structure Villa Woodbine. MR. HOPPER: Hang on, hang on. MR. HUGH: I am sorry. MR. ADAMS: So, and it would be actually useful to actually show the public what is designated as historic and what is designated as environmental so that everyone is at least on the page. MR. HOPPER: You can just put them down here facing the people who are gathered here or the other way, let them here and here again there you go. So, people can see. Okay. Now, I am going to close the public hearing and open it up to the board members for questions and comments. I believe Mr. Ryan was first. MR. HUGH: All right. Thanks for putting the brakes on me. Yeah, my -- I am not anti -school, I am not into Carrollton. I spent my first 13 years of life two blocks from here on Natoma Street, so I know the area very well. I know the traffic very well, Today's traffic very well. I question being such a significant alteration because let me ask, these are zoned single family right now, correct? This whole plan is hinged on a zoning change to this property to make it school or institution, correct? MR. ADAMS: Yeah, it is zoned T3R Page 86 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 single family residential, but you can perhaps answer that. MR. BAILINE: The answer is no, there will be no zone change to this property to facilitate the school. MR. HUGH: So, the school can stay in a single -- there is no use change -- MR. BAILINE: No, no. I was going to say, the further zoning action would be an exception to establish the use of the school, but the zoning would not change. It would stay the same. MR. HUGH: It would be variance or waiver, whatever to this piece of property to go from a single family residence to it is proposed used, correct, which it has to go in front of the PZAB, right? MR. BAILINE: Right. I mean the zoning would not change. It would be an application to establish -- MR. HUGH: Yeah, but it would change, something would change. It would not stay -- MR. BAILINE: The use would be allowed, yes. MR. HUGH: Yes, something would change in order for this to happen, correct, something? MR. BAILINE: The use would be allowed. It is not allowed right now. Page 87 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MR. HUGH: Yeah. MR. BAILINE: So, that would change. MR. HUGH: Yes. MR. BAILINE:: Yes. MR. HUGH: Okay. All right. So, I do not feel comfortable making these big decisions because I mean I do not know why we are here, I mean why this is here, because I own a house and my house, where I live right now, right next door is another house that was spot zone changed years ago as a multifamily. I am very nervous about when this thing goes down, what they are going to put up. I have a single family neighborhood single family house. I understand if you have a single family property and a house next to what has been forever, all of a sudden changes. So, this is almost my way of thinking the first case we had, where someone came to us, had the plan approved. Then they said, oh, we got to come back to get a variance or a waiver on something. So, us giving this a blessing, even though it is not -- the change has not been approved is almost cart before the horse as the clichA© goes. So, I, you know, once again I am not anti -school, I am not anti - Carrollton, I am not anti -preservation of mansions along Biscayne Bay, I think it is wonderful, but I also understand the traffic on Tigertail is a nightmare and Page 88 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 this is in and out. How many students proposed 300, 700, somewhere in that area? MR. BAILINE: 336. MR. HUGH: Okay, 336. And it is not intended for this use right now. I know we are here to approve the historic appropriateness and the environmental appropriateness, but to me it is too early to do that because it is not -- the change has not been made. So that is my way of looking at it. MR. HOPPER: Other questions before he goes? Anybody else? Go ahead. MS. O'DELL: Well, I guess my question -- I mean I have all sorts of comments that I could make, but my biggest question would be then, why could not we defer this vote if it seems that most in the audience would like to -- MR. HUGH: That was my thought was the City recommending continuance and if we can go in front of the planning and zoning -- MS. O'DELL: I wish I was on the planning and zoning board right now, but we are not. This is the historical board, so. MR. HUGH: Might be a conflict. MR. BAILINE: If I could respond to that. The City recommended a continuance for two Page 89 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 reasons; one, there were two open items that we were working on with them; Number 2, we actually came to an agreement with them about five or six weeks ago on both of these items, but I believe and I would defer to staff, by staff policy and procedure, they did not have time to update the was a continuance. MR. HUGH: My recommendation recommendation, that is why there Well, that is the staff recommendation. would be to have it to go in front of PZAB to give the neighbors a little more time to digest this, because I know you are saying this is hurricane season, we had August off, whatever, but this is the first a lot of people have heard of it and early on that I have heard of it and I understand the urgency because you do not own the property yet, so it is contingent on a sale and needs to all be figured out, but I think if we continue to go through the planning board then we have better guidance and they would have better time to make the case for if this fits or it does not fit. MR. BAILINE: We cannot do that. The planning department will not allow us to go to the planning and zoning appeals board before we have come before you. That is why we are here. MR. HUGH: Well, maybe a Page 90 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 continuance, so you came in front of us and then we are going to say they figure it out. MS. O'DELL: My intention was not to continue it so that it could go to PZAB. I was seeking to give the public more time to get more feedback as they said they believe they were not noticed with enough time. There has been a lot of things that have happened I am sure since all of this got pushed through, including the hurricane which has been mentioned several times. This is a really important decision for all of us. Our responsibility is not -- I do not care about the traffic, I do care, but that is not our job and that is not within our purview and to be quite honest, I wish I was on the PZAB, because that would be an easy vote, but for us it is about whether or not this plan before us right now is the best way to preserve that property, the environment, you know, all of it. I love that property. I have done many events there. I know how hard it is to find public funds and even private interest to be able to restore properties like this one. So, I like the plans that I am seeing, but I would like to have more time and more input from the community before making this very difficult decision. That is just my opinion and I guess I will, you know, Page 91 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 defer to the rest of the board. CITY ATTORNEY: And Mr. Chair, when the board deliberates and decides what it wants to do, so again if an applicant agrees to continuation referral whatever then that really resolves many of these issues about time, moving forward on a COA and so forth, however, the applicant and they will have to speak to this is desires of obtaining a vote what the board would be voting on is for Item 1, the criteria for the special certificate of approval and Item 2 would be the, you know, criteria for a special certificate of appropriateness, because I understand the board wanting to defer to PZAB and maybe a few times PZAB has said they want to hear from this board first as to something that is historical, but you know that -- the basis for your vote are what is in your regulations. You know, there is nothing -- I guess saying it another way there is nothing in the code that says, you know, that is a specific criteria that is what I am telling you. Another possible way is perhaps if you are alluding to is that for example if you want a school in a residential neighborhood, you need an exception. So, you know, that would be a requirement. That is just a requirement under Miami 21, but if you are going to vote on this and the Page 92 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 applicant does not want to defer, you need to vote based on the criteria in your regulations. Thank you. MS. O'DELL: Understood. MR. BAILINE: As a housekeeping item, this is not the first nor the second hearing on this item. This item was actually scheduled to come before you in July, so it has been out there a lot longer than I think some folks who spoke today have led you to believe, meeting out there in the public. MS. O'DELL: Noted. MR. HOPPER: So, I have four concerns. Number 1 is, with staff report there are some discrepancy between the original designation report and staff report in terms of the composition of the wall, designation report calls it oolite and everyone else is referring to it as coral. It is one or the other. They cannot be both. MR. ADAMS: Okay.I will defer to Mr. Heisenbottle. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: I am sorry, but you are going to have to speak up so I can understand exactly what is your concern is. MR. HOPPER: So, my concern is how with the description of the wall, the designation report calls it oolite and everything I have seen today calls it Page 93 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 Coral. It cannot be both. It is one or the other. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: It is Oolitic limestone. It should be Oolitic limestone. We -- MR. HOPPER: I do not think it was you. I think it was the staff report, but I -- MR. ADAMS: I have just been informed Chapter 17 refers to coral -rock wall, which is what we use to define these types of walls. MR. HOPPER: That is bad. Number 2, I have -- I guess I only have three. My concern is about -- my second concern is about the pool intruding into the bluff. I am really uncomfortable with that. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Dr. Hopper, I am afraid we cannot hear you or I cannot. MR. HOPPER: My second concern it about how the pool intrudes into the bluff, just a concern and my third -- MR. HEISENBOTTLE: The pool does not -- MR. HOPPER: I am sorry. The pool deck that is cantilevered over -- MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Let me -- I will find a drawing that I can illustrate that to you while you continue. MR. HOPPER: Okay. Can you see the pool deck from the street? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Can you see the pool deck from Page 94 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 the street? Probably not because of the vegetation that will be between the pool deck and the street. The pool deck certainly not. The deck directly around the pool, no. It is surrounded by a new coral -rock wall. MR. HOPPER: Which is higher than the bluff? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: 42 inches above the surface of the water. We will pull this -- we are going to go back and get you a section to look at, okay but I need to restart the computer to do that. MR. HOPPER: Then my third concern while you are doing that was -- MR. BAILINE: Just to clarify the cantilever that is above the bluff what we worked with staff to confirm is that we would -- that cantilever will not be opaque in terms of looking down, so that one will be able to see the bluff underneath with some -- through some translucent material that -- MR. HOPPER: When one is on the deck? MR. BAILINE: Yes, yes, looking down, yes, yes. MR. HOPPER: I am talking about looking from the street assuming that there were no trees in the way because trees come and go. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: I am sorry about that looking at the landscape plan there are -- I mean it is Page 95 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 buffered tremendously from the street. You have got a rendering of that in front of you also, which shows the Bayshore Drive elevation and also just to -- MR. HOPPER: Okay. That is a present condition. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: I am opening a second document that has virtually all of the drawings that we did and I will take you to that section, but as I do that, I should point out a couple things that were stated that are incorrect. In no way does the auditorium sit anywhere near the bluff. It is beyond the bluff in the grassing area that I illustrated in the photograph, it is not going over top of the bluff. MR. HOPPER: I am talking about the pool. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: The pool is also not going over the bluff. The pool is going on the lawn that is in front -- in the forefront of this photograph and there is another 30 meter or so to the roadway here that you are not seeing the bluff. MR. HOPPER: You are seeing towards the bay? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: I am sorry. MR. HOPPER: Your view is towards the bay? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: No just the opposite. My view is towards the north. So, the pool sits down at this location. I am going to show you that section in a Page 96 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 second, but to understand the bluff please note the area as how it rises there. The bluff in this particular area is not a significant bluff, it is not the bluff that we see at there at the residence down the street. It is not the bluff we see at Matheson Hammock, which is all over the place. This is a bluff that is very subtle at this point. In other areas of this site it is not so subtle. So, this right now is a bluff that I as I referred to earlier is nothing more than a grassy knoll. You are looking at the bluff. So, our approach to this has been to bridge over top of -- bridge over top of that and we came with this approach after meeting with Bob Carr onsite understanding the archeological issues relative to the bluff, understanding the way the law is written in Chapter 23 and what our responsibilities are relative to that bluff and we have decided the best way to deal with that was to start a structure 15-feet to the north side of that oak tree that you are seeing in that other photograph and to end that structure 15-feet on the other side. In that way we do no harm to the bluff. We bridge over the bluff and we make it visible through the deck so that students can see the bluff, but we do not impact the bluff. So, there is no footings going into the bluff and here is the section that I promised Page 97 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 you a while ago. MR. HOPPER: And I suppose you can make it bigger. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: That the oak tree is in the middle. The viewing area looking down into the oak tree surrounds it and we have agreed to make it larger than what it was in these photographs and so the deck simply bridges over top of the bluff in a manner in which it would do no harm. Bob felt that this was an excellent solution and so do I. The pool itself is down as you could see on the left hand side. You can see the new coral -rock wall down, maybe I can load this up for you. This is that grassy area we you saw in a prior photograph and you could see that we have a two coral -rock walls there, front coral -rock wall, which we are adding, it is not there today, but it will be a great enhancement followed by an additional coral -rock wall. So, the pool deck is about four and a half feet above the grade at that point. I hope that provided some clarity. MR. HOPPER: Not much. And we are on the far left of this section, where those people -- two people are standing. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: They are at a street side. MR. HOPPER: That is the street side. You are looking into -- Page 98 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MR. HEISENBOTTLE: That is Bayshore Drive that is South Bayshore Drive. MR. HOPPER: So, -- MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Of course there is no sidewalk on South Bayshore Drive, but I -- to give scale we wanted you to understand that. MR. HOPPER: So, Bayshore Drive is running this way. side. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Bayshore Drive is on the left MR. HOPPER: Perpendicular to the screen. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Yes. MR. HOPPER: Okay. MR. HOPPER: Parallel to the property line? MR. HOPPER: No, going this way, not that way. MR. CAWLEY: Mr. Chair, Mr. Heisenbottle, I have few questions. Obviously, this is very complex. There is a lot of things to consider, I mean we are talking about the process in which hearing should come first and that obviously makes things kind of complicated from how to analyze the information in front of us point of view from my perspective. For example, if the property has to have a change of views, not a change of zoning and it is currently single Page 99 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 family residential and it would be changing to this type of use then obviously that affects a lot of things and how we would -- at least how I would personally analyze the site plan and information before us, but with that said -- MR. HEISENBOTTLE: This is actually commercial zoning. The use of a school is allowed under the law. It just requires this exception process. Counsel, I have gotten that right? MR. CAWLEY: Perfect. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Okay. Thank you. Perfect. Thank you. MR. CAWLEY: But with that said that was my, you know, preface because my immediate reaction is that just from looking at the exhibits that are presented is like, wow, I mean there is the 3D scan of the ficus tree, I have never seen anything like that. Literally the tree is on top of the building. So, my first thinking is like, what is it about the site plan that would force a situation like that, you know, to where you have to cut so tight as oppose to maybe for instance notching the building, I mean there is like maybe program elements that are driving some of these things, yes and then MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Yes, it is called the classroom Page 100 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 and I cannot just notch the classroom where that tree is. We already narrowed the classrooms as narrow as we can make them under the circumstances. MR. CAWLEY: Well, which takes me to my next point. So, along those same lines, the oak tree and the bluff, so I mean that is the same -- just a section that you just showed there is that where the giant oak tree is located, where the deck and the swimming pool are proposed? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Take a look at what is on your screen right now. MR. CAWLEY: Right. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: I am going to go take my little cursor over and moving it onto your screen. That is the oak tree that we are talking about that is the upper deck that we are talking about and generally the location of the bluff. We very deliberately have done herculean things to make sure that we save both trees. MR. CAWLEY: Yeah and I am not saying that you are not, but what I am saying is -- I am not saying that you are not. Obviously, you guys have gone to tremendous -- your team has gone to tremendous lengths and I have no doubt that you can preserve those trees. That is not my point. I understand that even ficus tree could exist and be over Page 101 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 the building and I understand probably the oak tree could come out of that wall system and the cantilever deck, but, you know, I understand these things. The mahogany tree that you mentioned, where is that on this site plan -- located on the site plan? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: The mahogany tree is a tree that you saw in the existing condition photos also. Let me find that. It is right here. It is on an island in the middle of the roadway and the same sort of island that we have today. MR. CAWLEY: And again MR. HEISENBOTTLE: We have expended the island and made it greater. MR. CAWLEY: And again I do not, you know, I do not mean any of -- these are questions, concerns/things, I do not mean any of them in a negative way. I am just pointing out that from a let us call it a breathing room capaCity sensitivity from a site planning point of view, my original -- my feelings are looking at it that -- I mean it is gorgeous site plan and I understand that the architecture would be gorgeous, but it does look to me like there is a lot of program and a lot of mess and a lot of things on the site now and obviously -- I mean do you have the landscape plan here on a board by chance/ Page 102 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MR. HEISENBOTTLE: We can get to that and Lisa Hammer come up and speak relative to that as well, but let me just if I may add in terms of the size of the things. This is really the smallest size elementary school that we probably could have programmed for the Carrollton folks. At the end of the day, we have 10,000 square feet of the existing buildings on the site and we have 45 -- a total of 35,000 square feet of new buildings. So, this is not some Herculean 700,000 square foot twisted tower. This is a 45,000 square foot campus, which is by all standards very, very modest. The site planning if I may add has been carefully done to locate these buildings on top of grassy areas, which I showed you in the photographs and I could show you all again, so that we would impact the landscaping as little as humanly possible and that is exactly why they are in those grass areas that we spoke about or on top of the existing parking lot and existing single family homes that are being torn down. MR. CAWLEY: I understand that. I am just making the point that again looking at this, I mean I will be happy to hear, you know, Mrs. Hammer's - - Ms. Hammera€TMs point of view, but I am just giving you my opinion that I believe in looking at this site plan here that there just seems to be a lot of mess. I mean Page 103 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 could this function without a swimming pool? Would the site -- would the school still work? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Yes, but that is an area where it is really not impacting anything, you know, significant because that is the grass area you saw in the photograph. Yes, a school can function without a swimming pool, however MR. CAWLEY: So, -- and I heard you and I heard the explanation when you were showing the section. You are saying that would not even be visible from the -- from Bayshore. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: You are going to see nothing but coral -rock walls. MR. CAWLEY: You are going to see the coral -rock wall and you would not see any of that pool? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: That is right. You will not see the water, you will never see the water, you probably would not see many of the students. MR. CAWLEY: Okay. And then -- thank you a couple other questions. So, I noticed though in the staff report and maybe I am totally incorrect because obviously there has been discussions, but I noticed in the staff report for this, I guess it is filed 6082, where it is the special certificate of Page 104 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 approval staff was recommending denial because of the tree and the landscape position. So, there was no plans that have been provided that show the relocation of the specimen trees, some of those other things. Am I incorrect in -- MR. MELVIN: Matthew Melvin, environmental resources specialist. I think the initial review of the plans that were presented, there were several specimen trees that were proposed to remain and given the proximity of some of the proposed development, it was not fully understood how that was feasible. So, we gave their team the opportunity to go back not to the drawing board, but to basically narrow it down to those particular, I believe there are three trees and to demonstrate to staff different steps or measures that they can take in order to preserve those trees successfully on site. MR. CAWLEY: Okay. So, you guys are confident that that is all occurred now that information has been provided. MR. MELVIN: Correct. MR. CAWLEY: And then what about the overall master planning from an environmental resources point of view in terms of the tree preservation, mitigation? Page 105 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MR. MELVIN: From an environmental resources standpoint, the majority -- I try to narrow it down, because these are so many trees onsite, I try to narrow it down to just the existing specimens onsite because those are the ones that require additional, you know, consideration onsite. So, that is any hard wood over, you know, 30 inches in diameter -- or I am sorry 18 inches in diameter and the majority of those are located in the northeast corner of the lot, which is where the development activity is minimal. So, we looked at more or less the specimen trees onsite that were in proximity. I believe there were three. Like I said before, we gave their staff the opportunity to show us or demonstrate to us methods that they can implement to preserve those trees and then in terms of the other specimens onsite that were proposed for removal, I believe most of this rather are in poor condition and they were also quite a few prohibited trees onsite. MR. CAWLEY: Okay. Thank you very much Mr. Melvin. MR. CAWLEY: And turning to that application I believe staff has changed their position and they have confirmed that they are recommending approval of that. Page 106 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MR. MELVIN: With conditions. MR. BAILINE: Yes, which we are in agreement with. MR. CAWLEY: Okay. And then, sorry, the landscape plan, did you guys have that on the board by chance? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: We do, we do. MR. CAWLEY: You do. Would it be possible to just put that up really quickly, please? So, this is the proposed landscape plan for the property. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: It is also on your or will be on your computer screen. MR. CAWLEY: Is the landscape architect here by chance. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Okay. Let us go to the next one. MR. HOPPER: Hey, how are you. MR. EAVES: I am doing well. How about yourself? MR. HOPPER: Fine, thank you. MR. HOPPER: Please give your name and address for the record. MR. EAVES: Chris Eaves with Witkin Hults Design Group, office is 307 South 21st Avenue. MR. CAWLEY: Okay. Thanks very Page 107 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 much Mr. Eaves. So, the frontages and the sides of the property, I understand that I have asked a lot of questions, I know this has been going on, but could you -- would you -- would it be possible to give us a summary of how you are intending to integrate this new campus into the, you know, surrounding environment? For example, adjacent to the whole new parking area, right, I see a roll of trees, but I mean is that going to provide a significant buffer to the adjacent properties and then the same along Tigertail and the same along you know all -- MR. EAVES: Yes, it will provide a significant buffer. In addition to the coral -rock wall existing there, we are adding trees all along the each side of the rock wall. MR. CAWLEY: Right. So, how significant of a buffer will it be? Would the adjacent properties be able to see into the site? I mean what is it in addition to trees? Those trees are spaced, you know, you could fit five or six cars between each tree it looks like from here, so I am just curious. Are you intending the completely screen the property at all sides so that it is like internalized? MR. EAVES: Yes. For the most part we are, yes. We do not want you to able to see the pool from the Page 108 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 street. So, in addition to the coral -rock wall, we have also got two rows of trees. MR. CAWLEY: Okay. And then in general though, like for example the frontage along Tigertail, what would that consist of? Would it be a loose landscape or would you be allowed to see visitors to the new school? MR. EAVES: You would not be able to see it from Tigertail visitors to the new school, yes. MR. CAWLEY: So, the intent which - MR. EAVES: So, it is trees, but no understory planting there along Tigertail. MR. CAWLEY: Okay. So, it is meant to be opened up and not feel -- MR. EAVES: On that side, yes. MR. CAWLEY: Okay. Okay. And Ms. Hammer, do you mind? I know that I have put you on, you know, on the spot. So, the laser study I mean that is fascinating. I have never even heard of such a thing, which is -- MS. HAMMER: Yeah. Okay. MR. HOPPER: Please give your name and address for the record. MS. HAMMER: Yeah. Good evening. Lisa Hammer, Page 109 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 Horticulture Consultant, P.O. Box 2648, Stuart, Florida. So, yes, I evaluated all the trees on the site, as I would usually do. The vast majority of the specimens are all remaining and if you noticed in front of Villa Woodbine and also in front of the caretaker's home, nothing is being done there and that is where the largest live oaks -- particularly live oaks and some mahoganies are found. So, they will not be impacted at all. Of the trees that are going to are proposed for removal, they are a 117 proposed for removal. 54 of those almost half are prohibited species. Most of those are red sandalwoods. They have seeded out all over the property. It is a very good understanding of why that species is prohibited, because it seeds out everywhere. So, there is 54 that are required to be removed by code. Of the others 23 of those are fruit trees, mostly avocados and mangoes, one sapodilla or maybe two sapodillas. Three trees are dead. There are eight specimens that are in conflict with the buildings and not in good condition. There are seven specimens that are in conflict with historical aspects and also not in good condition. So, of the 15 specimen trees proposed for removal, they are in fair or poor condition and they are in conflict. Now, to address the -- the three that were of particular concern with Page 110 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 environmental was the big one Number 460, strangler fig, that one is growing actually on top of one of those coral or oolitic limestone walls. It is growing right on top of it and it is huge. It could not be relocated. You could not get it out, I mean it is huge. So, as we said the building was moved back five feet from it, it had originally been moved five feet closer to it to increase the setback, but then we decided to move it back, give it another five feet. The structure on that side of the tree on the west side of the wall is going to be all on pilings with upturned grade beams above grade, so there would not be any root impacts or minimal root impacts on that side. On the other side of the wall, where it is now an open area that is used often for parking, we have given up eight parking spaces to protect the largest congregation of roots in that area. You can clearly see them in the laser scans on that too where those roots are located. So, eight parking spaces were given up then just open space to be landscaped there on that side. Now, the crown of the tree, the laser scan shows pretty much where the crown is. The thing with the laser scan was it is picking up everything. It is not just picking up the tree. There is a lot of trees and lot of vegetation there, so you cannot -- it is hard to Page 111 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 separate them out. So, we tried with the colors to separate those out so you could see exactly what is the ficus and what is the background stuff. But I went back out and took photographs. There is a total of three maybe four limbs that will have to be removed on that side of the tree and it is far less than the 25% of crown reduction that is allowed without a permit. So, that one I think -- you know, ficuses are very resilient. I think it has a very good chance of surviving that. The big mahogany that is in the middle of the driveway is already in the middle of a driveway, so it had root impacts already from being there, but they are putting another driveway back in and they are almost in the same configuration and the landscape plans do call out a bridging system for that to bridge over that root system. So, that one should be fine and it has got plenty of vertical clearance. And then the oak on the bluff was the other one that they are concerned about and however, you feel about the bluff then exposing the bluff, the tree is not going to sustain any kind of damage from the plan that they are talking about. MR. CAWLEY: Okay. Well, thank you very much Ms. Hammer. We really appreciate. You guys have obviously done a tremendous job studying the Page 112 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 existing trees and how to preserve and protect them. I mean I have no question that the trees that you just mentioned will be in the proposed plan, would able to be survive with your expert assistance with your team. So, thank you guys you all very much for answering questions. MS. HAMMER: Thank you, Chris. MR. HOPPER: Now, that you have this shot up, this crystallizes my concern and that is that from Bayshore you have located the swimming pool what must have been the coastline at one point that is the shoreline bayward of the bluff. Would that be correct? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: It is bayward of the bluff, yes. I am going to show you the photograph of that now. I just need to go and get to it. MR. HOPPER: While he is looking for that, does anyone else have a question? Okay. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: All right. This is that photograph again of the area, where the pool is located. I am probably standing at the southwest corner of the pool. MR. HOPPER: Right. And so none of that -- MR. HEISENBOTTLE: The pool is in that low grassed area that we see right there and the bluff is up that Page 113 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 hill. MR. HOPPER: Right. And so -- MR. HEISENBOTTLE: And on the left is that -- is the tree we keep talking about the oak tree. MR. HOPPER: Right. I am not concerned about the oak tree. I am concerned about the swimming pool and it would be my understanding that where the photograph ends at the bottom, that would be the location of a new rock wall and double lines of trees? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Yes. All along Bayshore Drive we continue the existing coral -rock wall or like wall and -- MR. HOPPER: No. The limestone. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: -- Oolitic limestone wall and then we move -- and then as you move inward at the setback for the pool, the pool itself has a retaining wall around it so the students do not fall of that deck so that, you know -- and that wall is made also out of stone and I do not frankly think that you will see either one of those with the landscape plan that we have that doubles up the trees right there, it is just pretty intensive. MR. HOPPER: Right and my concern is that in this environmental corridor been going down Bayshore Drive you would lose the view of what little incline there is Page 114 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 there that I would not call necessarily a bluff. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: You are concerned about -- you are telling me you are concerned about the incline we see in this photograph? MR. HUGH: Well, the incline -- I am sorry. MR. HOPPER: Go ahead. Yeah. MR. HUGH: No, I was going to say the incline is most likely filled from the last 90 years. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: No, it is not. MR. HUGH: Well, no I am -- if you go up towards the -- , you see one lot will be a perfectly cleaned up bluff and the next one would be a gradual rise that they filled back and you know, buried underneath that most likely is the bluff and then it expose its way out through the Viscaya --- Park and Vizcaya and whatnot. So, my guess is that underneath that is the well defined bluff, but -- MR. HEISENBOTTLE: It is not as well defined as you think. Bob Carr did not think it was well defined at all and I wish he was here to testify that in front of you. There you can see that there is very little grass, you see some stone poking there in this photograph. Page 115 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MR. HUGH: Well, it may have been graded down, yes, I mean to try to make that slope, but MR. HEISENBOTTLE: But it does not have the distinction that you and I know exist on dozens and dozens of other bluffs. MR. HUGH: Two properties away on Ransom, it is -- yeah. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Absolutely, I mean but go figure, but that is our geology. It varies, you know, throughout. MR. HUGH: It is also what people have done to it whether they graded it down or they filled in it, you know on or the other. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: No. We do not have history of construction on this particular side of the site. I mean there is no building that was torn down that I know about, no other home that I recall being there or found out was there, so. MR. HUGH: I am just looking at the elevation of pool, where I think it starts -- I am trying to find it or you had it up earlier, where it starts at Bayshore and slowly comes up and then it goes up 4 foot 3 inches and that is the pool deck. So, the pool deck comes up 4 foot 3 inches off of the grade, Page 116 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 which takes you down at Bayshore. So, whatever wall you are going to put up the question then would be what sort of coral -rock wall and how big. If you are familiar with the Ransom wall on main highway, I mean they kept adding on and it is about 8 feet tall and it looks kind of -- MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Listen, our coral -rock wall as you can see -- MR. HUGH: Oolitic limestone, sorry. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: in the renderings matches the height of the existing coral -rock walls MR. HUGH: Okay. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: -- that are there and then we behind that property, let us call it property line coral -rock wall and road coral -rock wall, I have been told that there are some historic elements to the Ransom wall, which accounts for why it is also higher. MR. HUGH: Well, I mean I saw it go in and I am not 50 years old, so you topped off. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: But our wall height is defined by the coral -rock wall that is on our property already. We are simply extending the existing wall at the same locations and we are extending it in front of the pool. MR. HUGH: Well, I am and I Page 117 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 understand and I think what the Chairman was saying was about the height it looks to me -- I have the elevation, yes that one. It says that it goes up -- is that rock wall that solid rectangle one just inside the property line? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Yes. MR. HUGH: You see the solid black, okay. So, then you go in, however many feet that is and then -- MR. HEISENBOTTLE: It is 6 foot 3 feet -- 6 foot 3 inches from the property line. MR. HUGH: And the pool deck goes up 4 foot 3 from grade, correct? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: The pool deck goes up 4 foot 3 from the grade in that area? MR. HUGH: Yes. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Yes. MR. HUGH: Yeah, okay. So, standing up there you will be looking over that rock wall, but you will have the plants. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Yes. Then recognize that you also have two layers of trees in between there. MR. HUGH: Okay. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: The entire setback from the front to that pool deck or a retaining wall and Page 118 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 protective wall that stop students from falling off that 42 inch high wall is 20 feet from the roadway and it is within that 20 feet that we are proposed -- the landscape that we are proposing. MR. HOPPER: Any other questions. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: And I think we can see it in the renderings that are in front of you. The trees that I was just pointing to are actually existing trees and the trees and the trees that you are seeing and the coral -rock wall that you are seeing here is a new coral -rock wall. MR. HOPPER: Any other questions or comments? I have not heard from -- MR. HUGH: I have a question that somebody else did, but I have a question to ask the City attorney. You said that typically or often times, but not always it goes us than to planning and zoning board. Is that correct? CITY ATTORNEY: Yes, sir, though I do not believe that there is a code section that addresses that issue. MR. HUGH: It says it is not required. CITY ATTORNEY: Right, correct. MR. HUGH: It is not required. Page 119 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 CITY ATTORNEY: Correct. MR. HUGH: In my mind for -- I mean this is, you know, that was the question I had, thank you, because I did not know if there is a required order because it does not make sense to me to go in that order before any change of use has been decided to make a decision yes or no before it is even decided that it could be changed. So, if it is decided and it comes back to us that is fine, but now we are kind of going around hypothetical what is, at least that is how I am looking at it. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Mr. Chairman, if you would indulge me for a moment. The reason that traditionally we have come before the HEP Board first is because the HEP Board very often makes changes to the plans. You suggest alterations and adjustments and those alterations and adjustments are often incorporated, but they would send the team back to the PZAB. So, the idea here and the reason the planning has done this for years is because they know you make - - this board makes changes and we do not want to go back to the PZAB twice. MR. HUGH: The only reason -- the only thing I would say to that is that, the examples I have in my head are not such drastic land use changes Page 120 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 as single family residents to 360 student school. I mean that is the only thing that is different here and it was said that this is a small school, the small school Carrollton would handle right now with a swimming pool, however, it is two properties away from another substantial school on the same two-lane road. So, that is why I need -- before I say yes or anything other than continuance or no, I need to hear if this is approved for that location. MR. BAILINE: If I may, the PZAB approves the use. This board is approving the structures, the locations of structures, the design of the structures and the like and going back to what was recently said, whether this is a large single family house, whether it is a school, whether it is a mini mall, whatever it maybe, whether it is an apartment building, this board is not approving the use. So, when we have met with planning staff multiple times, their directive was to get the structures approved followed by the use. MR. HUGH: My point on that was the use would make a difference on what is there. You would not need 85 parking spots for a single family house or a couple of houses there. MR. BAILINE: We do not have 85 Page 121 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 parking spots. MR. HUGH: Well, what was it, 62? MR. BAILINE: We are over parked. MR. HUGH What is it supposed to be? What is a requirement? I saw 80 -- 62 to 80. MR. BAILINE: We are required to have 50 spaces, but we have 60. MR. HUGH: Okay. Well, you have 60, but what I am -- MR. BAILINE: But again the parking component is not before the board today. MR. HUGH: No, I understand that, but that is hinged on the use. CITY ATTORNEY: Yeah the parking component is irrelevant. MR. HUGH: Oh, I know, but if the use is going to be a single family house or changed to a school, that makes a difference on the number of cars that are allowed to park there whether that is approved or not. MR. BAILINE: But it does not make a difference in terms of the analysis and the charge of this board this evening. MR.HUGH: Well, they you have said in the past planning and zoning says we do it Page 122 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 first. Well, why cannot we say they do it first? MR. ADAMS: Well, I do not believe the board has the authority. MR. HUGH: Well, we have authority to do a continuance and if you want to agree to it you can, but however it goes in the vote after that, the recommendation from the City was do a continuance so that this could be resolved and vetted a little bit more. MR. BAILINE: Did the historic preservation officer request a continuance? I do know that. MR. ADAMS: Was there a question? MR. HUGH: I am sorry. MR. BAILINE: Unless something changed, a few minute ago MR. HUGH: Maybe it is the wrong one. MR. BAILINE: -- we have two recommendations of support on Item 1 and 2. For the record, we withdrew Item 3 and so unless something has changed -- MR. HUGH: Well, that is -- MR. BAILINE: -- and those recommendations -- Page 123 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MR. HUGH: -- the City recommendation then comes the seven of us so that is what we are talking about today. MR. BAILINE: Right. And the recommendation of the analysis on both the certificate of approval and the certificate of appropriateness come with it substantial competent findings that are backing up and supporting buttressing would have you staffa€TMs recommendation that this board approved both items through separate votes, but both items. MR. HOPPER: Mr. Tragash, did you have a question or comment? MR. TRAGASH: I just wanted to hear from staff that there was conditions that you are saying you are approving this from because originally you were saying that you either recommended continuance or denial and that those issues were because of the rock walls, those issues were because of some of the trees, those issues were because of the bluff and can you articulate, because if we are going to approve this plan or you are saying no it is based on conditions that have been agreed upon, but have not been incorporated into these plans, can you elaborate on what those conditions are? MS. SCZECHOWICZ: Wendy Sczechowicz, Historic Preservation planner. The approval with conditions Page 124 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 would be based on the proffered conditions as well as the generic conditions that we used for all of our applications, but no they are not visible in the current plans that were submitted for this meeting. MR. TRAGASH: So, when we started this, the recommendation was for continuance and usually when we have these types of conditions, then we would say come back, update the drawings per those conditions and then we can see them. MS. SCZECHOWICZ: The continuance was for the July meeting to be continued to the September meeting. It was meant to be a denial based on the current plans that were submitted with the understanding that if they still proffered the conditions that they had offered in a meeting that we would switch to approval with conditions. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: All of which we are in a 1000 agreement with. MR. TRAGASH: I understand you are in a 1000 agreement and I think that is moved a great -- makes a big difference and I want to say I think this and we are trying to break this up, well, use is one thing preservation and environmental issues are another. I want to commend your team. I think you have done an excellent job in terms of taking a large program and Page 125 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 being sympathetic and contextual with the historic structures, but that being said, I just feel like this is an opportunity for an abundance of caution of not just saying, well, there is an agreement, let you come back, show us how that agreement modifies these drawings and then give the MR. HEISENBOTTLE: If I -- MR. BAILINE: -- some extra time and then that would be a way to -- MR. BAILINE: So, if I could just understand -- I think I understand what you are saying -- make sure I can hear. So, is what you are saying that you would like to see the changes to the plans to accommodate the request -- initial request for continuance in Item Number 1? You would like us to submit those. You all have an opportunity to review those obviously not on the spot, prior to some future meeting. Is that what I am hearing? MR. TRAGASH: Yes. MR. BAILINE: Okay. So, I assume that would not then impact Item 2. MR. TRAGASH: And describe to me Item 2, because I would like to understand MR. ADAMS: Item 2 is purely for the designated area, in other words, the area that is Page 126 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 outlined in there on the drawing. MR. TRAGASH: Okay. And just I have never -- in all of the projects that we have done, we always group them together. We vote on them separately, but we group them together. So, I would say until the project is complete enough to review and approved, I would not feel comfortable breaking it up, let us approve one item, let us not approve as a second item. MR. HUGH: I agree with that and when would this item be on the planning calendar, the next meeting? MR. ADAMS: No. MR. HUGH: No. MR. ADAMS: No. MR. HOPPER: I have a -- MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Mr. Chairman, may I get the floor for just a moment to address -- MR. HOPPER: After I have a question, please. First, number 2 is for the restoration of the historic buildings. Is that correct? MR. ADAMS: It is the restoration of the building and the -- I think the new construction of the school is within the designated area as well. The swimming pool is outside it, the parking area is outside it, so really that report us for the Villa Page 127 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 Woodbine and the new school building behind it, which conforms with the designation report. MR. HOPPER: But not the auditorium and the pool? MR. ADAMS: The auditorium is on the vacant lot, the current vacant lot, which is not within the designated area. MR. HOPPER: That would be under 1? MR. ADAMS: Sorry? MR. HOPPER: That would be under Item Number 1. MR. ADAMS: Everything is under environmental, only the Villa Woodbine and the new school building is under historic. MR. TRAGASH: But typically, when a property is -- if this is one property, one folio number, has portion of it that is historic or has an historic element, everything should be looked at on that property whether it is contextual or not. We would not want to approve that the auditorium is compatible, but the other -- the auditorium is not compatible and it should not be adjacent to this. This is one property. MR. ADAMS: Typically, yes, but we do have properties, designated, it does One option for them where only part happen and this would have been Page 128 of it is is one of them. and we did discuss info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 it, should the entire property be designated? So, we did discuss that in the past, but, you know, the applicants decided to move ahead with the current designation and that is what we are tied to. MR. TRAGASH: But my point is, we should be looking at the preservation of the historic structure as well as the new construction being compatible with the historic site and we should look at this property in its entirety. MR. ADAMS: With regard to the school building or with regard to the MR. TRAGASH: With regards to any improvements on the property. MR. ADAMS: See this is where it gets tricky, because ideally in an ideal world for any historic preservation project, you should probably be looking at the land here as well, but unfortunately I think that legally I think we are tied with regard to Item 2 to review what is actually designated. MR. TRAGASH: But that might be going off on a tangent, so -- CITY ATTORNEY: I think what the member is alluding to, but in order to -- for the board to be efficient is that, normally the entire lot is Page 129 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 designated that is the presumption and the code, but if that is not the case and the entire lot is not designated and only partial, for whatever reasons and that is only a partial portion is in the historic atlas, the boards jurisdiction is limited to that portion. MR. HOPPER: Mr. Heisenbottle, that is something you wanted to say. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: I think one of the things I want to make clear relates back to what Mr. Tragash had mentioned, Todd, be aware that City has the latest drawings, the revised drawings, the drawings where we met with Matthew and resolved the tree issues. Those drawings are the ones you have been looking at. We can call them up again. So, just be aware that there is no other submittal that is coming. There is nothing to wait for till next month because those drawings are here. MR. ADAMS: For clarification, they do still have to be uploaded into e-plan I think? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: They have to be uploaded into the official system, but for today they are physically here. MR. BAILINE: They were uploaded for the companion item, yes. Page 130 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MR. TRAGASH: But they were not part of our packet. They were not -- I am just saying, I think again it is in the abundance of caution, I think, we should have it, have some time to look at it, not just at the first time. When we get our packets, we take a lot of time to review these ahead of the meeting so we can answer any questions and I think you are almost there in terms of resolving this. MR. BAILINE: So, if I could just a couple housekeeping items. So, I just want the record to reflect if staff would just confirm that the two items on Application Number 1, which is the certificate of approval, one was the issue with respect to the view of the bluff looking down and two was the location of the building sliding five feet at staff's request to accommodate that super funky 3D tree root system and all these new construction techniques to make that happen. If those are the two items that we are taking care of today at the hearing and if those are the only open items from staff's perspective in Application Number 1, further I would just like a confirmation for the record that Application Number 2 there are no open items and to the extent the board has any questions about that, I am happy to entertain them overall here, but I just want to be very clear in what your Page 131 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 expectations of us are to the extent we revisit each other in four weeks or whatever it is going to be. MR. TRAGASH: Well, this is -- we would have to ask the board -- each board member, but I would add to that list that you are saying is the coral -rock walls and also -- MR. BAILINE: Okay. And what would you -- you want some further clarification or -- MR. TRAGASH: Yeah, I would like to see the resolution of how they are going to be preserved. MR. BAILINE: Okay. I just wanted to make sure we knew exactly what we needed to do and to the extent -- MR. TRAGASH: And when you say exactly that is from my -- MR. BAILINE: From your perspective. MR. TRAGASH: -- my perspective. MR. HUGH: I would say get on the planning zoning calendar and have them determine with the input from the community what this use is going to be and that would satisfy my decision. I feel lot more comfortable deciding on the fantastic architecture on the pool, on location, the environmental sensitivities, if I knew that this was even doable. And so -- I mean if they are not on the calendar, they are not on the Page 132 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 planning zoning calendar. MR HOPPER: So, my question for you Mr. Attorney, were you offering to agree to a continuance until -- MR. BAILINE: I believe your next regularly scheduled meeting is on Rosh Hashanah and that is why this was moved I believe is it the next week? MR. HOPPER: No, -- yeah -- MS. O'DELL: And Mr. Chair -- MR. HOPPER: -- we still have a meeting. MR. BAILINE: I represent Carrollton of the Sacred Heart, but I will be in Synagogue on Tuesday. MR. HOPPER: Yeah, I was saying not -- not this Tuesday but in November. MR. BAILINE: That is true. MR. HOPPER: November. MR. BAILINE: And would the date be just so we -- MR. HOPPER: 5th. MR. BAILINE: Yes. MR. HOPPER: Okay. Thank you. MR. BAILINE: I will make the motion. MR. HOPPER: You are just agreeing on the record that -- Page 133 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MR. BAILINE: Yes. MR. HOPPER: -- if the board voted to continue -- MR. BAILINE: Yes. MR. HOPPER: -- you would agree to continue to the November 5th meeting -- MR. BAILINE: Yes. MR. HOPPER: -- the purpose of which would be to answer the questions that were asked by the board just now? MR. BAILINE: Yes and to the -- again, I Mr. Tragash was kind enough to take me up on my offer to the extent any of the board members and Mr. Ryan as well, to the extent any of the board members have any questions or did not see something that they would like to see or would have you, then I just want to make sure we take care of that in advance so that there are no open items on Item Number 1 or 2. MR. HOPPER: And if they do they should communicate those to the preservation officer, not you MR. BAILINE: That -- I would love that. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: -- not you directly -- MR. BAILINE: No, no, not me directly. Page 134 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MS. ALVAREZ Mr. Chair. MR. HOPPER: Yes, madam. MR. ALVAREZ: If there is any new information that needs to be included in the agenda for the November 5th meeting, hearing boards will need that information by close of business on Friday October 18th, otherwise it would not make it into the published agenda. MR. HOPPER: Okay. MR. BAILINE: That was the 18th? MR. HOPPER: Yeah. MS. ALVAREZ October 18th, yes. MR. BAILINE: Thank you. MR. ADAMS: And I also have a question, you are only referring to the conditions in the issues on HEP Item Number 1, you do not want all the conditions on HEP Item Number 2 addressed also? I am happy reviewing the conditions on Item Number 1 as a staff review with them resubmitting plans at a later date, but I do not necessarily want them coming back if they have not made all the revisions that you require. MR. HOPPER: Yeah, I do not think -- I did not hear any questions about Item Number 2. MR. ADAMS: Okay. MR. HOPPER: This is just a matter of doing them Page 135 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 both at the same time. MR. ADAMS: Okay. MR. CAWLEY: Can I make one statement, Mr. Chairman before we MR. HOPPER: Who is that? Well, yes. MR. CAWLEY: Just to be clear here then, if we are requesting -- if there is a possibility that this will be continued and the idea is to study things and bring things back for further review, I would like to request that if possible if the landscape architect could provide these same type of exhibits, sections through the property line showing the proposed trees, the existing trees, the buffering that would be required along these lines and how from a landscape and environmental perspective this would integrate with the surrounding environment MR. BAILINE: Sure. MR. CAWLEY -- because just as the plain view drawing, you know, although I am sure that it is in real life would be very vegetated, I am very curious as to see how, for example, what is the front elevation of the proposed school look like with the landscape from Tigertail. MR. BAILINE: Sure. So -- MR. CAWLEY: Those types of Page 136 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 exhibits, you know, the full package. MR. BAILINE: I get that and I -- we will work on that, but let me withdraw something I said earlier. We would prefer to address Mr. Cawleya€TMs concerns and others that we have heard, we would prefer if the board or someone on the board would make a motion to defer this to the first meeting in December, not November because what that will do is since we have this October 18th deadline is that will provide our administration staff and what have you with additional time to hopefully meet with some of our neighbors whether they are here tonight or not. MR. HOPPER: If you are offering that, I do not think anyone would object. MR. HUGH: That was one of my questions was it is September 27th right now, what -- how would it work for them to get on the planning and zoning agenda or hearing boards where they have enough time? MS. O'DELL: I would like to make a motion. MR. HUGH: Okay. All right. Well, that is fine. I just want to make sure it is clear and out in the open. MR. HOPPER: Before you do I want Page 137 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 and I will come back to you. I just want to make sure I have all the conditions ready and make sure we are in agreement. I have landscape sections, limestone walls and was there another question you had? MR. HUGH: Planning Zone. MR. BAILINE: The two items that were in -- MR. ADAMS: Can I suggest that the staff members come up and state the requirements clearly now that we are possibly heading towards a motion? MR. HOPPER: Yes. CITY ATTORNEY: If the board moves to continue to the December meeting with expectation that the items will be heard and decided at the December meeting, I would like Counsel to agree on the record that the time period and the code for the COA is, you know, extended during that period. MR. BAILINE: I am not sure I understand. CITY ATTORNEY: Okay. Normally, there is -- MR. BAILINE: Oh, I apologize, yes -- and we extend it. MR. HOPPER: Okay. So, we are going to only consider three things that would be tree disposition Page 138 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 from here to the limestone walls -- MR. BAILINE: Tree disposition, limestone wall. MR. HOPPER: -- and the landscape sections. MR. BAILINE: Requested by -- Mr. -- CITY ATTORNEY: The landscape design. MR. HOPPER: Landscape design CITY ATTORNEY: Yes. The integration of the site plan into the environment. MR. BAILINE: Great. If I could just ask the hearing board a question. When do you need that information for the December meeting? MS. ALVAREZ: November 15th by close of business. MR. BAILINE: You will have it. Okay. MR. HOPPER: And so our presentation will be only on those items and responsibly only on those items. MR. BAILINE: Yes. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Now, you have a motion. MS. ALVAREZ: I would like to make a motion to defer Items 1 and 2 to our December meeting, regularly scheduled meeting, which is what date, December 2nd? Page 139 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MR. HOPPER: Third. MS. ALVAREZ: Third. MR. HOPPER: Is there a second? MR. CRAWLEY I will second that. MR. HOPPER: There is a Motion to Continue Item Number 1 and Item Number 2 to the regular meeting of December 3rd, 2019, over the three outstanding items. MR. HUGH: Is there a fourth outstanding item? The -- MR. TRAGASH: Well, I just want to say, you are including all the City's conditions and then we are elaborating on these three ones to focus, which in some cases are not additional items, they are just repetitive for what is already in the condition that the City has. MS O'DELL: Right. We do not have to cite conditions for deferring items. MR. TRAGASH: So, we are not deleting any of the items that the City has. We are just -- MR. HOPPER: No, we are not. We are only going to be listening to those ones that we asked about in December. MR. ADAMS: And that is your motion for HEP 1? Page 140 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 MR. HOPPER: And 2. MR. ADAMS: I thought you had two separate motions for two separate -- CITY ATTORNEY: When they vote substantively, yes, not for procedural motions They can do both. MR. ADAMS: Okay. MR. HOPPER: Okay. Can we have role call? MR. HUGH: Mr. Chairman -- MR. HOPPER: I am sorry. MR. HUGH: -- the fourth item was to be heard by the planning and zoning board? MR. HOPPER: That is not within our purview. CITY ATTORNEY: You know that is up to the applicant. MR. HUGH: Okay. CITY ATTORNEY: What I am telling you is you cannot -- MR. HUGH: That is all I wanted to know, I mean if they did not say that, that is fine. All right. I am done. MR. HOPPER: Okay. Now, can we have a role call? MS. ALVAREZ: Role call on a HEP Item 1 and 2 to continue both items to December 3rd, 2019 and by that I mean HEP Item File ID 6082 and File Page 141 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 City Hall Meeting- 9-27-2019 9/27/2019 ID 6086. Ms. Gelvez Turros? MS. TURROS: I do. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Cawley? MR. CAWLEY: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Ms. O'Dell? MS. O'DELL: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Ryan? MR. RYAN: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Trachtenberg? MR. TRACHTENBERG: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Tragash? MR. TRAGASH: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: And Chair, Hopper? MR. HOPPER: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Motion passes unanimously. 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(APPLICANT - ON BEHALF OF COCONUT GROVE PARK) / City Hall Meeting. Historic and Environmental Preservation Board. The City Of Miami, 3500 Pan American Drive, Miami, Florida, 33133 on Tuesday, the 3rd day of December, 2019, commencing at the hour of 03:00 p.m., and being an Excerpt of a Special Meeting. info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 APPEARANCES: Appearing on behalf of the Applicant: ETHAN WASSERMAN, ESQ. GREENBERG TRAURIG 333 SE 2ND AVENUE SUITE 4400 HOLLYWOOD, FLORIDA 33021 MIAMI, FL 33131 Page 2 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MS. ALVAREZ: HEPB Item 2, File ID 6082. A resolution of the Miami Historic & Environmental Preservation Board approving or denying an application for a Special Certificate of Approval for a developmental impact to significant environmental features on a property located at approximately 2167 South Bayshore Drive, Miami, Florida 33133, within the Environmental Preservation District 60 and the South Bayshore Drive Scenic Transportation Corridor. MR. HOPPER: Is the Applicant present? MR. WASSERMAN: Yes. Ethan Wasserman with Greenberg Traurig, 333 Southeast 2nd Avenue, here on behalf of the Applicant. MR. ADAMS: And, Chair, would you like to review both of these at the same time. Should we read the other one into the record or would you rather review them separately. MR. HOPPER: Talking about two and three. MR. ADAMS: I will leave that up to the Board as to how they want to handle these. MR. HOPPER: We can do them both at the same time, as long as we have separate motions. MS. ALVAREZ: HEPB Item 3, File ID 6086, a Page 3 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 resolution of the Miami Historic & Environmental Preservation Board approving or denying an application for a Special Certificate of Appropriateness for demolition, restoration, alteration, and new construction to a property located at approximately 2167 South Bayshore Drive, Miami, Florida 33133, a locally designated historic site and known as Villa Woodbine. MR. HOPPER: And I believe it is the same Applicant? MR. WASSERMAN: Correct, same applicant. Ethan Wasserman, Greenberg Traurig, 333 Southeast 2nd Avenue. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. And we will start with the first topic. MS. SCZECHOWICZ: Wendy Sczechowicz, Historic Preservation Planner. Background, on September 12th, 1974, the City of Miami passed Ordinance 8301. The Ordinance created a new section of code allowing for the environmental preservation of areas with extensive tree canopy, scenic routes, unique geological formation and other significant environmental features and providing for special -review procedures and outlining a process for publicly identifying and preserving environmentally significant sites or areas. On April llth, 1975, the City of Miami passed Resolution 75-370, Page 4 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 designating Environment Preservation District 60 which contains 2167 South Bayshore Drive. On November 17th, 1976, City of Miami passed Resolution 76-955. This Ordinance declared South Bayshore Drive from Alatka Street to 27th Avenue in the Coconut Grove Area of Miami as a Scenic Transportation Corridor. This item came before the Board on September 27th, 2019. The item was continued to allow the Applicant time to address City staffs and the Board's members concerns with the project. The Applicant submitted plans on a landscape offer, a study on the current coral -rock system, a viewing platform to enhance the silver bluff and plans for the preservation of Tree Number 460. Analysis, the Applicant is proposing demolition, restoration, alteration and new construction. The subject property is located within Environmental Preservation District 60 and the South Bayshore Drive, Scenic Transportation Corridor. Environmental Preservation Districts are geographical areas, parcels or corridors which have been or maybe identified, established by City Commission as significant natural or manmade attributes in need of preservation and control because of their educational, economic, ecological and environmental importance to the welfare of the general public and the City as a whole. Scenic Page 5 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 Transportation Corridors are those roadways identified by City Commission Resolution as having a unique landscape, an expansive tree canopy and/or unique landscape features, has a substantial environmental or arsenic importance to residents and visitors. The subject property contains environmentally -significant features. Significant features of this property protected by the Environmental Preservation District and the Scenic Transportation Corridor are the historical coral -rock walls, the silver bluff and the trees. As part of the Applicant's proposed plans they are requesting to remove trees, alter the historical coral -rock walls and multiple plans on site and cover the silver bluff with a deck overlooking the proposed pool. Historic coral -Rock Walls, they are coral -rock walls fronting South Bayshore Drive and Tigertail Avenue. Sections of the coral -rock wall at the entrances will be dismantled and rebuilt to allow for the required visibility triangles. This alteration can be supported by staff as the alteration is minor and all materials will be reused in the proposed design. Two coral -rock walls run through the site. A section of the southern wall will be demolished to allow for access to the auditorium building. This proposal can be supported by staff. The application proposes the Page 6 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 demolition of a section of the northern coral -rock wall. This can be supported by staff as this is required for vehicular access to the drop-off point. The previous version of the staff report state that the plans proposed the demolition of a further two sections of the coral -rock wall to accommodate two projecting sections of the new -main building.The Applicant has made clear on the plans that this is not occurring and no portion of the wall will be removed for the main building. The demolition plan indicates that all coral rock removed from walls will be salvaged and reused on site. Silver bluff, the Applicant is proposing to place a deck connecting from the proposed auditorium building to the pool. The new deck is depicted as covering the silver bluff. The Applicant depicts the cantilever deck as to cover the silver bluff so that the foundations do not disturb the silver bluff. Section 17-36 of the City Code of Ordinances as amended provides review standards for development activity in Environmental Preservation Districts. These standards state that the development should, one, preserve the natural environmental character of all sites in so far as practical by minimizing removal of trees or other significant environmental features. Two, preserve or enhance existing topography and natural -land features Page 7 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 wherever possible. Five, maintain a continuity of landscape material and spacing characteristic of the surrounding area or scenic corridor. The development occurs along a designated scenic corridor. The principal natural landscape are man-made elements from which the visual boundaries are enclosing space, that the corridor shall be preserved in so far as possible. Staff finds the proposed plan to cover the silver bluff is in compliance with Section 17-36 of the City Code. The Applicant proposes to include an educational - viewing platform in the cantilever deck to see the silver bluff below. This will enhance the natural features and feature the silver bluff as a learning opportunity for future generations. Trees, as seen on Plan Sheets L-01 and L-02, the Applicant is proposing the removal of 113 trees. Each of these meets the criteria to be considered a tree as defined within Section 17-2. Of these trees 52 are categorized as prohibited -tree species as defined within Section 17-2 which must be removed from the site upon development as mandated by Section 17-37(b). The remaining trees slated for removal are either listed as being in poor condition or are located within the footprint of the new development. These reasons are in accordance with Section 17-34. Of the proposed removal, 12 meet the Page 8 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 criteria to be considered a specimen tree as defined by Section 17-2 excluding any hazardous trees. The Tree Preservation Ordinance Section 17-34(b) imposes conditions that permit applicants must consider when developing a site as it relates to the specimen trees. One, the applicant may be required to redesign the project to preserve specimen trees or any other tree determined by the Historic & Environmental Preservation Board to be of substantial value due to its species, size, age, form and/or historical significance. Provide an alternative plan when feasible which shall include the preservation of such trees and design alterations within the scope and intent of the initially proposed plan. Two, where practical specimen trees or any other trees determined by the Department to be of substantial value due to its species, size, age, form and/or historical significance as proposed for removal shall adhere to the acceptable tree location specifications. Findings, consistent. Recommendation, pursuant to Section 23-6.24 and Section 23-6.2H1 of the City of Miami Code of Ordinances as amended and Secretary of Interior Standards the Planning Department recommends approval with conditions of the Special Certificate of Approval. One, the site shall be developed in accordance with the plans as Page 9 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 prepared by R.J. Heisenbottle Architects, consisting of 71 sheets submitted under PZ 19-3159. The plans are deemed as being incorporated by reference herein. Two, the applicant shall comply with all applicable requirements of Miami 21 Code, Chapter 17 and Chapter 23 of the City of Miami Code of Ordinances as amended. Three, the applicant shall comply with all requirements of applicable departments, agencies as per the City of Miami Building Permits submittal process. Four, this resolution shall be included in the master -permit set. Five, the applicant shall create a silver -bluff educational include the plan set. viewing platform. Six, the applicant shall landscape buffer as detailed in the updated The Preservation Office the Environmental Resources Chief, approve non -substantial changes to Seven, the applicant shall provide in conjunction with shall be able to landscape buffer. a tree -disposition superimposed site plan that depicts the canopy of each specimen -sized tree within 30 feet of any proposed development to scale. These same canopies must be drawn in a manner that resembles their respective shapes and dimensions to the greatest reasonable extent. Eight, the applicant shall submit within all construction activity within the tree -protection zone of any tree that he is trimming. This includes Page 10 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 the installation of any underground utility, any great changes and/or any soil compaction. If the applicant is to reduce the size of any tree -protection zone, the applicants is to perform investigative digging under the supervision of an ISA Certified Arborist. That same arborist is to provide a supplemental report documenting if the reduction in tree -protection zone size is reasonable. Nine, the applicant shall include plan sheet L-05, existing tree study as per the master - permit set. 10, for any specimen tree that cannot be reasonably preserved in its current location the applicant is to assess which of these trees are an appropriate candidate for relocation. Any good candidate shall be relocated either on site or within City -owned property within Commission District 2. This may exclude any tree listed as being in poor condition. MR. HOPPER: Is there anything you would like to add? MR. WASSERMAN: Yes. So, again, Ethan Wasserman for the record. Just a quick recap of the hearing in September. Staff presented their -- the application and the recommendation as modified at the hearing. In September we presented the application. Public comments were made. There were significant Board comment and dialogue and significant testimony provided Page 11 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 in the record at that hearing. All of that is part of the record tonight. I just want that to be clear, but we were instructed to bring back three limited items for clarification purposes and specifically those were the landscape plan, the tree -disposition plan and the rock -wall analysis and data, and all of that has been submitted in the revised plans that are before all of you. So, I will turn it over to Elizabeth from Witkin Hults and Lisa Hammer, our Project Arborist, to continue the discussion from the last hearing on the requested diagrams and images related to tree preservation and our landscape plan. You will essentially here about the increased canopy on site from what exist today. You will also hear about the replacement of non-native prohibitive species with native species and, lastly, you will hear about our plan as submitted in the record to put more trees on the property than exists today. I will then turn it over to Richard Heisenbottle, our Historic Architect, to address the analysis that you asked us to do about the historic rock -wall preservation and our original plans that came before you in September showed too, I will call them limited cutouts of the rock -wall. Staff was recommending that we not do that based on a 3D laser scan that we did of a very significant tree in Page 12 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 the center of the site. Staff recommended we move the building back a few feet, we have done that, and so you will see in the revised plans that are before you all we are no longer removing those too limited sections of the coral -rock wall, but Rich will walk you through that. Again, this Board was very clear on the limitations for bringing this item back and our presentation is essentially limited to these three factors, which is what you asked us to do. We have reviewed the updated staff report for the certificate of approval and we agree with all the staff conditions. Staff recommendation is essentially consistent with their recommendation made at the hearing in September. It is now just instead of our voluntary proffers all the changes we proffered at the last hearing are now part of the record, part of the plans that is before you. So, we agree with all of those conditions. And for clarification purposes the Special Certificate of Appropriateness, the Historic Preservation Officer asked at the end of the last hearing when the Motion to Continue was made, that item -- that application was not asked for any changes to be made. That is why that staff report is identical to what was presented at the last hearing. It is a recommendation in favor of the Certificate of Appropriateness. We agree -- we Page 13 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 continue to agree with all of staffs conditions of approval. So, I will turn it over to Lisa and Elizabeth to walk you through the landscape components, and then Rich will conclude with the coral -rock wall analysis. MR. ADAMS: Briefly, Chair, would you like me to read my report into the record again? MR. HOPPER: Yes. MR. ADAMS: Would you like me to do it prior to the review or after review of the -- MR. HOPPER: I think before. Well, hang on. MR. ADAMS: Pursuant to Section 23-6.2(b)(4) of the City Code of Ordinances as amended, the Applicant is requesting a Special Certificate of Appropriateness to allow for demolition, restoration, alteration and new construction. The subject property is an individually -designated site known as Villa Woodbine located within the John T. Peacock Estate and the Coconut Grove net area. Analysis, demolition, the Applicant is proposing the demolition of two single- family homes located at 2180 and 2190 Tigertail Avenue at the North of the site; once demolished the lots will be incorporated into the new development. The residences are not part of the historically -designated site and they are not eligible for individual Page 14 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 designation. Therefore, their demolition can be supported by staff. An existing structure to the rear of the faculty residence is to be demolished. The structure is not within the historically -designated area and is not eligible for designation. Therefore, the demolition can be supported by staff. The paved area to the rear of Villa Woodbine is to be removed. This can be supported by staff as this is a later addition to the site. There are coral -rock walls fronting South Bayshore Drive and Tigertail Avenue. Sections of the coral -rock wall at the entrances will be dismantled and rebuilt to allow for the required visibility triangles. These alterations can be supported by staff. Two coral -rock walls run through the site. A section of the southern wall will be demolished to allow for access to the auditorium building. This proposal can be supported by staff. The application proposes the demolition of three sections of the northern coral -rock wall. Demolition of the easternmost section can be supported by staff as this is required for vehicular access to the drop-off point. Demolition of the remaining two sections appears to be proposed to accommodate two projecting views of the new -main building. Coral -rock walls are a character -defining feature of the site and should be Page 15 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 protected. The removal to accommodate a new structure cannot be supported. The proposed new -main building shall be redesigned or relocated to allow the retention of these two sections of the coral -rock wall. I believe that requirement has since been met with the new plans. The demolition plan indicates that all coral rock removed from the walls will be salvaged and stored for later reuse. The exterior restoration of Villa Woodbine includes restoration of existing windows, doors, replacement of original windows to match original windows, replacement of deteriorated would rafters and purlins, and concrete balconies and walls, damaged and missing -floor tiles to match existing, installation of new gutters, downspouts and exhaust fan louvers, cleaning coral rock for sand detailing and the repair of the existing roof structure as necessary with clay -barrel tiles. The stucco is to be repaired and repainted with a color to be determined. Specifications and manufacturers brochures are required for all new windows and doors. All proposed paint color shall be submitted to staff for review. The exterior elevation contains some misnumbered levels and these should be corrected. Internally, the structure will retain much of its original floor plan, although some interior walls will Page 16 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 be moved to accommodate a new teachers lounge with toilets on the first floor, records storage on the second floor and installation of a new elevator. Although, the designation report states only the fourth -- the sides of Villa Woodbine shall be considered major exterior surfaces subject to review, all interior of historic floor and wall tiles shall be retained where possible including tiles from adjoining rooms when an interior wall is removed. I believe the Applicant agreed to that at the last meeting. The proposed restoration and alteration of Villa Woodbine can be supported by staff. The faculty -residence building is located outside of the historically designated site and is not subject to review. However, the proposed exterior restoration is similar to that of Villa Woodbine. Internally, the structure will retain most of its interior layout on the first and second floors. Minor alterations include the removal of sections of first -floor walls to provide a more open- plan layout. The proposed restoration and alteration of the residence building can be supported. New construction, the proposed new -main building is a two- story structure constructed from concrete block and stucco with clay barrel tile patched and -- Fenestration comprises double casement Page 17 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 windows with impact -resistant glass and anodized aluminum framing and impact -resistant metal doors. Decorative features include stucco banding, stucco motifs, exposed rafters, concrete lattice screens and custom wrought -iron gates. The paint colors are to be determined and shall be submitted to stuff for review. The first floor contains classrooms and administrative offices built around a central courtyard containing art rooms in the play area. The building is accessed via a covered walkway with rounded arches, which links this building with the new auditorium. The second floor contains classrooms built around the central area, part of which is open to the play -area below and part of which contains the library and two covered open-air landing patios. The proposed new -main building can be supported by staff as that is located behind Villa Woodbine and its architectural style incorporating Mediterranean -revival elements is consistent with the architectural style of the historic structure. The proposed new -auditorium building is a one-story structure constructed from concrete block and stucco with clay -barrel tiles. Fenestration comprises double casement windows and storefront glazing systems. Decorative features include stucco banding, stucco motifs, exposed rafters and arched entranceway. Paint Page 18 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 colors are to be determined and shall be submitted to staff for review. Internally the structure contains an auditorium with a stage, a kitchen, toilets and walkers. The proposed new -auditorium can be supported as it is closer to the front of the site than Villa Woodbine. It will be built on the vacant lot to the west and will not obstruct the view to the Villa from South Bayshore Drive. Additionally, the architectural style incorporating Mediterranean - revival elements is consistent with the architectural style of the historic structure. The proposed new - swimming pool appears to be located outside of the historically -designated area and is therefore not subject to review. The pool will measure 75 feet by 35.6 feet and will be surrounded by a pool deck which will be set back 20 feet from the front property line. The deck will be raised approximately 4.3 feet above ground level. The locations of the new -main building auditorium and swimming pool are in accordance with the designation report which states, every attempt should be made to preserve Villa Woodbine and its obstructed view to South Bayshore Drive, its limestone bluff and the major trees on the site by allowing sensitive development at the rear of the property and on adjoining lots. However, the drawings indicate the Page 19 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 proposed new -auditorium building and swimming pool will impact the limestone bluff. The site is located within an Environmental Preservation District; therefore a Certificate of Approval shall be required. Additional new construction includes a maintenance shop which will be located behind the faculty residence and the security booth located at the Tigertail Avenue entrance. These structures will be located outside of the historically -designated the area and they are not subject to review. However, neither will negatively impact the historic structure. I had a comment in here about parking but I believe that has been addressed now also. Recommendation, pursuant to 23-6.2(b) (4) of the City Code of Miami Code of Ordinances as amended, the historic design guidelines and the Secretary of the Interior Standards, the Preservation Office recommends approval with conditions of the request for a Special Certificate of Appropriateness. The site shall be developed in accordance with the plans as prepared by R.J. Heisenbottle Architects, submitted as part of application PZ 19-695. The plans are deemed as being incorporated by reference herein. The proposed new - main building shall be redesigned or relocated to allow the retention of two sections of coral -rock wall. That is not to be demolished to accommodate the projecting Page 20 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 sections of the new structure, and that has been resolved with the new plans. Three, specifications and manufacturers brochures or color photographs of all proposed new windows and doors shall be submitted to staff for review, or all proposed -paint colors shall be submitted to staff for review. Five, any incorrect labeling on the drawing should be corrected. Six, the demolition keynote numbering shall be corrected. I believe they have been done. Seven, all interior historic floor and wall tile shall be retained where possible including tiles from adjoining rooms when an interior wall is removed. Item Number 8, the Applicant shall apply for a waiver of the Miami 21 parking standards, is no longer required. That application has been withdrawn. Nine, a Certificate to Dig is required for all ground disturbing work as the site is located within a high probability archaeological conservation area. The Applicant shall apply for a Certificate to Dig. 10, a certificate of approval is required for all work impacting coral -rock walls, trees and natural features such as the limestone bluff as the site is located within an Environmental Preservation District and the Scenic Transportation Corridor. The Applicant shall apply for a certificate of approval. 11, the Applicant shall apply for all required waivers. Are Page 21 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 any waivers required? No waivers required. 12, the resolution shall be included in the master -permit check. 13, the Applicant shall comply with all applicable requirements of the Miami 21 Code and Chapter 17 and Chapter 23 of the city of Miami Code of Ordinances. 14, the Applicant shall comply with the requirements of all applicable departments, agencies as part of the City of Miami Building Permits submittal process. In addition to the report, I passed out two documents. One was a letter from Dade Heritage Trust with their various comments on the proposals and the other is a resolution from Bayshore and Grove, Inc. I can read these into the record if required, but I do not know if they are going to be read into the record. The resolution is going to be read into the record? Yeah. And Dade Heritage Trust, will you be reading? You are reading, okay. They are later into the record. And one final piece of information when I find -- and I have received to a lot of e-mails on this project. As of 1 oa€TMclock today when I had to stop opening them I had received 144 letters of support for the project. I had received seven letters against the project. I had also been copied on a petition against the project. I had received 161 notifications of people signing the petition and I should let the Board know that I am Page 22 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 continually receiving both letters of support and notifications from the petition, so I do not have an exact number, and I can try and work it out if you want, while we are discussing this, but they are continually coming in. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. MR. TRAGGASH: Mr. Chair? MR. HOPPER: Yes. MR. TRAGGASH: I just for disclosure, I just want to disclose a conversation I had with Mr. Heisenbottle and it was a brief conversation. We were both at the Historic Preservation Board hearing in Miami Beach and we were talking -- he was talking very briefly about the merits of the project and it was, like I say, a short conversation. MR. CAWLEY: I will mention that as well that I believe that I ran into Mr. Heisenbottle at the Miami Beach Design Review Board meeting, but I do not remember discussing this project at all. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Okay, your turn. MR. WASSERMAN: Again, based on the instructions provided to us at the last hearing we understood we are limiting our presentation to the three items you had asked us to bring back. Page 23 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. HOPPER: Okay. MR. WASSERMAN: The Certificate of Appropriateness was fully vetted and discussed at the last hearing. Based on our proffered conditions, the staff report in favor, we are still accepting all of the conditions of approval. MR. HOPPER: The 10 that are in the pre -hearing memorandum? MR. WASSERMAN: I am sorry. MR. HOPPER: The 10 that are in the staff report? MR. WASSERMAN: Yes, subject to the one -- the reduction of the as just read into the record we do not need a waiver from the Miami 21 parking requirements. That application was withdrawn at the last hearing. MR. HOPPER: Right. MS. DILLEWIJN: Good afternoon, my name is Elizabeth Van Dillewijn. I work for Witkin Hults Design Group. Our office is located at 307 South 21st Avenue, Hollywood, Florida 33020. As Ethan was mentioning I am going to speak about and walk you through our landscape plans, specifically through our tree -disposition plan, our goals for the project and how we accomplished the overall landscape design. So, first, I would like to talk about our primary goals for Page 24 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 the project. Our main goals are threefold. We would like to preserve as much as the existing natural areas as possible. Our second goal is to design a beautiful and safe outdoor environment that blends in with the schools program for educational purposes. And, Number 3, is to revitalize, restore and integrate new landscapes within the existing site and the surrounding community. In order to -- with these goals in mind we began the process of preservation. This is the tree - disposition plan. The existing site was analyzed and studied via tree survey and by working together with our team certified arborist, Lisa Hammer, to document the existing canopy, the canopy conditions, the number of specimen trees and any other species that do not contribute and are exotic invasive species that are affecting the growth and the stability of the natural environment. We have also developed -- based on our tree disposition we felt it was important to create a graphic that can tell the story of what we are trying to do here. We spent countless hours with our team to make sure that our goals can be met at the end of the project through our design. As you can see Graphic Number 1 at the top of the page, it helps us visualize three of the most important existing categories within the site, which we are excited to work with and Page 25 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 through. Items in -- you will see the green colors indicate the canopy that is to remain and to be protected. Color orange identifies the invasive and prohibited species that must be removed from the site, and items in red are canopy to remove only due to poor or fair -condition conflict with the proposed structure. You know, we all understand that there is going to be a proposed structure, and non -desirable species by the City. In Graphic Number 2, in the middle of the page, we present the preserve canopy and we start to see our efforts on the preservation of what is existing on site today. This also allowed us to go through the process of our second goal which is to design beautiful outdoor environments for educational purposes. Only through the removal of what is prohibited and what is in bad condition can we start to see where we can begin to design this environment. Some of the outdoor -- some of the areas that we designed in the school are outdoor -activity lawn areas which are located at the east side of the existing Villa Woodbine, small educational trails for students through existing native landscapes near Bayshore Drive. And we also have a great opportunity to plant new material to restore pine -rock hammock habitat and the best place to do this on this site because it is heavily canopied is in the Page 26 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 northeast area in front of the teacher -- the proposed teachers residence. We also have the opportunity to integrate and buffer areas all around the perimeter of the site with the proposed new landscape. So, at the bottom of the page you will see in a darker -green color the canopy that we are proposing and it is all -- I would like to mention that everything is native, everything is with the intent to restore pine -rock hammock areas and historical -- what historically would have grown in this area. We have also developed this section graphics to have a better understanding of what we are doing at the buffer -- at the perimeters of the site, especially on the south and South Bayshore Drive and on Tigertail area. Section 1, we are going to walk you through Bayshore Drive which shows the landscape buffer beginning with a native -street trees proposed which are limited by the height due to the existing power lines that are on site and must remain. We progressively layer back with a series of landscape buffers, the proposed coral wall that architects are building for us and a series of midsize trees and broadleaf shrubs to blend into the new site and provide privacy for the users of -- for the pool use. Also, Sabal palms and of various heights, native pigeon -plum trees and a continuous hedge buffers the entire length Page 27 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 of the south property as well as the north side of the property. Towards the back of the section you will see Live Oak Tree Number 296 which is something we worked really hard on. We are showing the current canopy which is 40-feet in diameter and is preserved by building an educational deck around the trunk and it is giving enough space for students to view down from this platform and learn about the existing silver bluff and how they are being part of the preservation of this project. At the bottom of the page, Section 2, in Tigertail, what we are doing here is that we are using what is already there. Luckily, we have four major trees that are growing on the coral walk, two large gumbo -limbo trees and two ficus-aria trees that are giving us the sense of buffering. And what we are doing is that we began that process of selective landscape layering with midsized trees, broadleaf shrubs and native understorey planting along the perimeter but also providing educational areas for the students to have an outdoor room to study. We provide also this -- for us this buffer, I would like to describe it as a natural soft barrier between the school and the surrounding community. We think it is important that we enhance these corridors along South Bayshore Drive and Tigertail, but not block off from Page 28 info@dlecourtreporters.cam (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 what is part of the community. So, creating these soft barriers is going to help us. Continuing, this is our very -detailed landscape plan. Here we show the species that we are proposing, very delicate. We are working with what is existing there. We work closely with our arborist and our knowledge to make sure that what we are planting is not going to compromise the existing canopy and is not going to compete with it. So, the right size, the right tree, the right species. We are very excited to announce that this would be one of the few projects that is attempting to revitalize a pine - rock hammock which is one of the biggest natural ecosystems in South Florida that is in danger, and we think this project can be a catalyst for beginning of this movement. So, do not want to walk you through this entire list, but I just like to mention that at the end of this process our team was able to come up with a conclusion and the conclusion is our goal to preserve, to enhance, and to restore the existing natural communities is met by replacing -- not removing, replacing prohibited species, non -desirable species and poor -condition canopy all in a combined number of 160 trees and we are replacing this with new - native species trees with keeping the existing canopy and relocating what is possible within the sites and at Page 29 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 the end of the project we are going to have a combined total of 170 trees that we hope will thrive and continue to the regeneration of the pine -rock hammock habit now and for generations to come. Thank you. MR. CAMPBELL: Mr. Chair, may I ask the landscape architect a couple of question? MR. HOPPER: Can we wait till the end? MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. MR. HOPPER: I have some too. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Mr. Chairman, for the record once again my name is Rich Heisenbottle, President of R.J. Heisenbottle Architects, with offices at 2199 Ponce de Leon Boulevard in Coral Gables, and we are going to get into the discussion here about coral -rock walls and how we are enhancing those coral -rock walls. And to do that before I leave all of Elizabeth's good work here, I would like to just point out on the wall at the at the top the South Bayshore Drive that we are actually adding a new coral -rock wall there where there is no wall today, that kind of continues the existing wall going forward to the south. So, pleased with the way all of the walls in here will actually be handled. As you requested we did a very -very thorough study of each of the walls and we are only removing existing Page 30 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 coral -rock walls where it is necessary to drive through. There are actually some areas of those coral - rock walls that have openings in them today that we are going to actually fill and so all of the coral -rock material will in fact be reused. So, we went ahead to truly understand this and I believe as you directed we went ahead and we took photographs of virtually every inch of those coral -rock walls and understood what their physical conditions are. As I had mentioned in, I guess, our last presentation some of these walls are not in very good condition at all. As an example the upper Photo Number 2 up there shows you an example. Photo Number 3 shows you a similar example. Photo Number 4 in the middle of the bottom shows a similar example. So, each one of those walls that you are seeing here that are in this sort of condition will be properly repaired and enhanced, so that they actually look perhaps more like the one that is in Photo Number 5 on the bottom. And we have done this virtually from every possible location or every possible location in the -- on the entire site. I am not going to belabor this discussion except to, you can look at the Photo Number 10 down there, it is in truly poor condition, and then some of these that we see are actually in good condition. So, we hope to be able to restore them all Page 31 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 to that sort of high quality condition, so they will continue to survive for another 50 or 100 years. We would also need to remove in some cases some of this undergrowth that is -- or, you know, literally covering the walls and is all over the walls and in some cases damaging those walls and you see that in the photos that are in front of you right now. That sort of material where it is not a specimen tree, that sort of material will be removed. Where it is a specimen tree the tree will remain and the wall will remain as well; both of them coexist together. So, we just want you to understand the level of enhancement that will be going on with each different coral -rock wall. One that we think is particularly nice is Number -- Photo Number 4 right in the middle on the bottom of that you are seeing right now. That is -- it may it is just an interesting little coral rock design that someone carved out and it may make a wonderful place for statuary going forward for our students, so that is -- well, actually, be right next to one of our walkways. And the only places, of course, that the coral -rock walls will be up -- this is another area. This is the one on Tigertail where the coral -rock walls now have openings in them for certain residences. Those coral - rock walls will be filled in as well and a continuous Page 32 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 coral -rock wall and new entrance gates will be installed on both sides of the property. So, with that, we will end our presentation and open this to any questions the Board may have. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay, thank you. The landscape architect please could you come forward and could you display the graphic you had of the three -- MS. DILLEWIJN: Yes. MR. CAMPBELL: The three landscape plans and the major issues which is -- are, you know, invasive, existing and mitigated. In plan Number 3 -- MS. DILLEWIJN: Yes. MR. CAMPBELL: With the dark green trees representing the new canopy. MS. DILLEWIJN: Yes. MR. CAMPBELL: And we have a tree list which I have not really been able to analyze as yet, but the sizes of the trees that are in dark green which I did not -- which is a new proposed canopy trees, they seemed to be drawn really small and is this because the species itself will be that small or it is just -- or was this just a graphical exercise just to place on the drawing? MS. DILLEWIJN: Yeah, that is a very good question and actually something that I purposely decided not to Page 33 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 add on this, so I did not want to add confusion. This would be at time of planting, completion of the project. However, we did study the progressive -canopy growth throughout 5, 10 and 15 years, so we are expecting -- what you see here is just at the time of planting. Some species are midsize species because we know they are going to want to compete with the larger trees. The species that we have planted around are silver buttonwoods, pigeon -plums, Simpson stopper. At the time of planting they will give us a total of 560- square feet of canopy. In five years we expect that to move up to 1117-square feet and between 10 to 15 years we expect 2225-square feet of canopy added. On top of some of the canopy that is existing there, that there is also young trees, so the idea is that this is at the time of planting, that everything will keep on growing. That is why we did not want to put more and more trees. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. So, basically along the northern edge -- MS. DILLEWIJN: Yes. MR. CAMPBELL: Which encompasses the parking lot, that seems to be the most dense area of new canopy? MS. DILLEWIJN: Yes. MR. CAMPBELL: That section is going Page 34 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 to be the mixture of the stoppers and those trees? MS. DILLEWIJN: Yeah, the north side we are heavily canopying that area with shade trees because it is a parking lot and we want to make sure that not only we are giving a thick buffer layer on -- along the property line but all those larger circles that you see there are shade trees that are going to be planted at a larger size than minimum requirements, just because it is a parking lot area and we want to make sure that it is properly canopied. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. And the -- MS. DILLEWIJN: And I would just like to mention there is a little bit more space on that side to plant more species then we have on the south side. The south side of -- right, directly, on the south side of the proposed building we are a little bit more restricted, so we have smaller species growing along that side. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay, thanks. Next question is, you mentioned the attempt to regenerate a pine rockland -- MS. DILLEWIJN: Yes, sir. MR. CAMPBELL: Situation there, the native pine rockland which is native to the County -- MS. DILLEWIJN: MR. CAMPBELL: Yes. Where exactly in the Page 35 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 plan is that attempt being made? MS. DILLEWIJN: On the northwest corner and I am going to point it out. MR. CAMPBELL: Yes, point that out for me please. MS. DILLEWIJN: That area is right now just a lawn and an existing building. That is going to be the proposed faculty building or teachers house. We have removed -- I cannot tell you the exact number but we removed fruit trees from that area and is the area that received the most sun. Again, we do not want to compete with the canopy. So, Slash pine which is the thriving species that will grow in a pine -rock hammock area will thrive in this area in the northeast corner. MR. CAMPBELLR: Okay, so -- MR. HOPPER: So, all of those are pine trees? MS. DILLEWIJN: No. They are Slash pines. Than we have Saw Palmetto. Then we have Green buttonwoods, Silver buttonwoods and mid side -- a mid storey -- medium size trees underneath the Slash pine. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. So, on the third -- on the Drawing Number 3, the grouping of new trees that I see there that is the pine-rockland restoration zone, because when you pointed it out on the top drawing there is a -- there is actually a Page 36 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 building, yes. Is that the zone you are speaking of? MS. DILLEWIJN: Yes, that area is the selected restoration. We are going to do small-scale. We cannot -- we do not want to propose it anywhere on this site. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. MS. DILLEWIJN: This area for educational purposes. Under here we have the open -activity areas for children, trails and activity lawn with the existing open area. So, this is the most appropriate area for that attempt to restore the pine rock. MR. CAMPBELL: And approximately how much square footage is that worth of pine-rockland restoration on there? MS. DILLEWIJN: You know, I do not know the exact numbers or square footage. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. MS. DILLEWIJN: On that we are focused on the spacing of each tree between each tree and how many we can fit in there comfortably, so they can thrive. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. MS. DILLEWIJN: So, we can look into the square footage to see how much we will be proposing to plant, but I do not know that number at the moment. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. Page 37 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MS. DILLEWIJN: But ideally all this is drawn to scale and ideally, you know, it would cover the entire frontage of that -- of the house. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. This leads me to another couple of questions which you may or may not be able to answer. MS. DILLEWIJN: Sure. MR. CAMPBELL: Is the parking lot area made of a permeable material? MS. DILLEWIJN: It is going to be permeable material I believe so. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Yes, it certainly is -- it will not -- to answer your question properly, it will not be asphalt; it will be concrete pavers with open joints. MR. CAMPBELL: The entire parking lot the entire surface of the parking lot? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: The entire parking lot. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. And in the site section elevation that was caught on the Bayshore side going in that drawing, I noticed on -- well, one of the issues is the silver bluff and the pool deck, though the top drawing, the one -- Number 1 MS. DILLEWIJN: Yes. MR. CAMPBELL: South Bayshore Drive drawing, though as we progress from Bayshore Drive to Page 38 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 the first fig tree over the rock -- over coral -rock wall and then we start to ascend we run into a wall of the pool deck, what material is that wall made of? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: That particular wall is also a coral -rock wall. All of the walls surrounding the pool area will be coral -rock walls. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. And if someone is driving along Bayshore or walking along Bayshore, will the Villa be obstructed to view -- the Villa be obstructed by the coral -rock wall that is protecting the pool deck or which is the pool deck? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: No -no, the Villa does not sit in that location. The Villa sits prior to the pool deck in plan -- can we put our regular site plan up to him? MS. DILLEWIJN: I can explain that because we designed that landscape. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Yeah. MS. DILLEWIJN: Yes. We purposely did not landscape the center area because we want to frame the Villa. So, here is the I also saying the outdoor activities it is open and we only plant around and underneath the existing trees leaving -- and we added the trail for educational trails and the existing pond will remain. So, if you are driving down, the only Page 39 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 thing that it is inevitable you will see street trees that are a requirement but are not blocking the view to the Villa. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. MS. DILLEWIJN: Yeah. And this is at a higher elevation as well, so this is lower elevation. Then you step up. This is all at a higher elevation. So, you will see -- it is a little bit difficult and we studied this in detail because there is a lot of existing oak trees. MR. CAMPBELL: Yes. MS. DILLEWIJN: So, it is not going to be a perfect shot of the Villa, but if you know it is there you will know where to find it. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. I have a couple of more. Architects -- MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Just FYI, the coral -rock wall in front of the Villa is already there. It is a relatively low wall. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: But it will not be obstructing the view of the Villa at all. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. You know, architects who also practice urban design like myself we sometimes get annoyed when site plans are drawn in Page 40 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 isolation and do not include the surrounding properties and what is going on and this is leading up to another question. On the northern and southern edges, what properties are abutting this property on either side or should I say the east and west side, and north and south side? MS. DILLEWIJN: That is a very good question and we did study that. We spent hours doing that so I think it is important that we talk about it, yes. MR. CAMPBELL: Yes. MS. DILLEWIJN: One of the things that we did on the tree survey was we asked the surveyors to go out and survey 10-feet from the property line on each side, on the south and the north side. So, the existing canopy trees that are on the northeast corner and the south and -- northwest and south. Anyway, north and south, the border perimeter was surveyed and accounted for during the process of tree analysis for what is existing. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. And is there an active plan -- as, you know, school gets let out, is there an active circulation plan where cars would be exiting on to South Bayshore Drive at a regular basis or is the pickup and drop-off active duty -- MR. HOPPER: If you would hold that question for Page 41 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 the next, if you do not mind. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. MR. HOPPER: I just like to concentrate now on the landscaping and the coral -rock wall. MR. CAMPBELL: Well, okay, I am done. MR. HOPPER: Okay. Then I have a question if you will go back to your diagram of the tree disposition. What are the prohibited species that form that long line of trees going into the property? MS. DILLEWIJN: Red sandalwood. Red sandalwood, I do not know the scientific name. I am really sorry. MR. HOPPER: Red sandalwood. MS. DILLEWIJN: Yeah. I should -- I know this but just lot of things going on my mind, so the species is MS. HAMMER: Good afternoon. Lisa Hammer, P.O. Box 2648, Stuart, Florida. I think there are a total of 52 prohibited species on the site. 50 of them are red sandalwood, Adansonia, and then there are some here. There is one Queensland umbrella tree and there is one -- MR. HOPPER: So, someone thought red sandalwood was a good idea at some point, I guess? MS. HAMMER: I am sorry. MR. HOPPER: I guess at some point someone thought Page 42 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 that red sandalwood would have been a good addition. MS. HAMMER: Well, I think it exemplifies why it is considered a prohibited species. It is seeded out everywhere. MR. HOPPER: Right. MS. HAMMER: And a lot of the little understorey stuff that Richard was alluding to growing up underneath and around the walls, are little seedlings of red sandalwoods. They are everywhere. MR. HOPPER: Okay, thank you. Okay, so now we have completed our discussion of the first section which is only trees and coral -rock wall. Is there anyone from the public who wishes to speak on this section on the tree disposition and coral -rock walls? MR. MUNOZ: Mr. Chair, sorry, I have just a couple of questions or should I wait till after the public hearing? MR. HOPPER: You would wait. MR. MUNOZ: I would happily wait. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Please come forward, give your name and address for the record. Discussing only at this point -- you will have another chance for everything else, only the trees and the coral -rock wall and if you all would not mind taking down your -- MALE PUBLIC SPEAKER: I have got a question Page 43 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 for you just that this -- we are speaking on this matter, we are still able to talk about things that are related to other topics, correct? MR. HOPPER: No, we are only talking -- right now. MALE PUBLIC SPEAKER: I know. MR. HOPPER: About the trees and the coral -rock wall. MALE PUBLIC SPEAKER: Correct. MR. HOPPER: But you will have another opportunity to talk about those, though. MALE PUBLIC SPEAKER: Perfect, okay. MR. HOPPER: Okay. Yes, sir. MR. DELUGA: Only about the coral wall? MR. HOPPER: And the trees. MR. DELUGA: And trees? MR. HOPPER: But give your name and address for the record. MR. DELUGA: Okay. My name is Steve Deluga. I am a 30-year resident of Coconut Grove. I am a second term member of the Village Council. The Village Council has issued a memo that they are vehemently opposed to this project because of what it will do to the rock wall, what it will do to the neighborhood. There are three players here. There is the church and the school, there is the HEPB Board and there is the Page 44 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 Community. The church and the school appear to the community to be involved in greed and self preservation. The HEPB Board should be concerned about the preservation of Coconut Grove and buildings, and the Community is concerned about their community and what they live and where they live and what is not said here, has not ever been presented here is the horrendous traffic problem that this will cause morning, noon and night throughout the neighborhood delivering students to school, picking them up from school and with no regard for the character and the preservation of the neighborhood that has been here a long time. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. And I would remind everyone we are only talking -- we are not talking about traffic now. We are talking only about trees and the coral -rock wall. Yes, sir, give your name and address. MR. MOSKOVITZ: Alexander Moskovitz 2185 South Bayshore Drive. Mr. Campbell, thank you. I am in fact the property just on the southeast corner One of those red trees which is being removed is -- that goes actually against Section 17-34(a) (1) that stipulates under what circumstances tree should have permits issued for moving, including -- and then when you look Page 45 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 at Page 133 and 134 in the packet which were similar to those displays they had, it actually interferes with -- right now we have a beautiful view on to that, instead what they would like to propose us having a pool deck with a line wall of trees where we cannot look out on to Bayshore, where we cannot look out onto Kennedy Park. And, frankly, as their landscape architect mentioned in their ideal scenario it will be a fully wooded area and among the things that the Scenic Transit Corridor should be preserving is the vista of looking into the property as it pertains to the historic site going up all the way to the Villa and on the rest of the property still being able to see the rising slope of the coral bluff, some of which silver bluff is buried underground but still has a beautiful incline to it. Now, it will all be obstructed by a wall of trees and a short gate -- short wall -- yes, coral wall, but not viewing into the property and seeing the majesty of the area. So, those are the comments as it pertains to trees and coral wall. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you so much. Anybody else want to talk about trees and walls? Yes, sir. MR. SILVER: MR. HOPPER: Limiting to the trees -- Give me your name and address for the Page 46 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 record. MR. SILVER: I am sorry, Scott Silver, 2980 McFarlane Road. I am reading from the -- what the Preservation Officer referred to as section of the Dade Heritage Trust. Analysis of this after hearing a presentation from both parties strictly related to the tree canopy, there are other sections as well and the section is entitled Decimation of the Tree Canopy. The 3.7 acre property extends from Tigertail Avenue to South Bayshore Drive, encompassing a portion of the silver bluff. According, to Carrollton presentation the site contains a mature tree canopy of a 173 trees. The proposed site plan requires the removal of a 116 of those trees and provides for the relocation of the property on the property of seven trees. This will decimate the tree canopy and dramatically change the view of the site from neighboring property and from South Bayshore Drive. Also, tree removal plans will eliminate the benefits of an urban green space. Green space have been recognized for enhancing the health and wellbeing of people living in cities by improving air quality and reducing urban temperatures. Most importantly it will damage the bucolic setting that is an integral part of the historic and architectural character of the Villa. That is the portion I am Page 47 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 reading from Dade Heritage Trust. I would also add and I believe this would be related to the coral -rock wall is the additional coral -rock wall that is being placed in front of the pool and I will get more into later on the silver bluff, but that additional coral -rock wall is actually raising the elevation by almost 5-feet to accommodate the pool deck. So, the vista and I think the protection of that -- the view of the silver bluff is not just protected by covering it with a balcony or covering it with a porch, but I think you have to maintain like they do in front of the Villa also maintain the space by not placing coral -rock walls or elevations in front of it, so that you eliminate the view. You need to have the view and you need to think about the public on the -- not only the adjoining properties but on the street and what they are doing -- you will notice the one elevation they do not show is from Bayshore Drive looking at that pool deck, because you will no longer see any portion of the silver bluff. It will be decimated. What you will have is a view of the coral -rock wall and potentially some additional trees. madam. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Anybody else? Yes, MS. CARDELLO: Yes, sir. Hi, my name is Rachel Page 48 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 Cardello. I live at 2175 Tigertail Avenue. So, my house is situated across the street from what will be the proposed main entries which is a double -lane entry point. But my specific reason for getting up at this point in the presentation is to refer to the staff report from July 2nd compared to the staff report that was submitted on December 3rd, and this is in reference to Section 17-36 the City Code of Ordinances about review standards for development activity in an Environmental Preservation District. So, the two points that are most important is -- within that code section is preserving or enhancing existing topography and natural -land features whenever possible. In July, staffa€TMs comments -- and I will just read this very quickly. Staff finds that the proposed plan to cover the silver bluff would be in violation of Section 17- 36. The deck would obscure the silver bluff from view and thus would be detrimental to the existing feature and the intent of this preservation code. The current -- and I have a side -by -side diagram of what those staff reports say. Today's staff report says staff finds the proposed plan to cover the silver bluff is in compliance with the 17-36 of the City Code. So, the only thing that is different between July and now is a hole at the top with a tree that allow students only on Page 49 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 campus or invited guests to look into the hole and see the silver bluff. I do not find that that is enough to justify a change of position from not approving to approving. The other point regarding 17-36 is that it is maintain the continuity of landscape material and spacing characteristics of the surrounding area. If the development occurs -- and I am reading from the code, if the development occurs along a designated scenic corridor which it is, the principal natural landscape which forms the boundaries should be preserved. Again, the walls that we have been seeing and as just previously described, the grade change is a significant component of the City of Miami and Coconut Grove. There is not very many hills we have and when we see one it is kind of a spectacle. So, now that we have an 8-foot high element, 4-foot for a wall, another 4-foot for a guard, that is to me not preserving the natural -landscape element of that. The third is the trees -- and if someone can indulge me for two more minutes. The third item which kind of relates to this whole is the landscape material itself, the trees. So, in July the staff report says that the applicant may be required to redesign the project to preserve specimen trees and provide an alternative plan. We have only seen one plan since June. I have not seen any Page 50 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 alternate plans. They have adjusted a couple of feet to preserve a few more trees, but the tree -disposition plan still calls out for the removal of a 113 trees, the same number of trees we saw in June. So, to me there has been no alternate plan. And just to point out very quickly the tree -mitigation plan itself which lists in the table on the calculation L-01, right now we have a 1003-inches of DBH on the site. The mitigation that is being proposed and on this sheet calls out for 67 trees at four inches. That is 268- inches worth of trees to mitigate 1003-inches worth of trees. In order to make up for the difference they are going to pay $218,000. That is really all I have to say. To me I do not see the difference between what they have now and what they have in July that justifies staffs change of opinion. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. MR. LOPEZ: George Lopez, 1889 South Bayshore Drive. Our family lives just to the east of this property and we traverse Bayshore Drive common. I want to remind the group to -- we are really looking at some very subjective evaluations of my neighbors and I appreciate that. We have a different view. We think it is an admirable plan. I think it will definitely improve the facility. We walk to the park all the Page 51 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 time, take our pets to the park. We see the property as it is today and we encourage not only your approval but the project to move forward on the two specific items I think there will be marked improvements to the facility. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. MR. FERRAO: Derek Ferrao, 3530 Rockerman Road, about a block away from the subject property. I am going go over some analogies a little bit so that -- to put it in perspective as far as what we have here and what we sometimes take for granted what we have, Coconut Grove would be like the Amazon. Removing 123 trees and replacing them with something a little bit bigger than this that you can lift with one hand and most of it is the soil, does not take a lot of effort. But do not mistake what we are doing and what your responsibility which is a great burden. I guess I would know what I would do if I were in your position, but it is a great burden. The Amazon -- they are removing a lot of trees from the Amazon. It is only a fraction of the location and the same thing with this area of the Grove, just a small location in relative comparison to the rest of the Grove. But the Grove is a tree -canopy area; it has a great deal of shade and ambiance because of it. In Brazil they removed the Page 52 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 trees to grow crops and graze livestock. Here we are going to be removing trees for a different purpose. Each tree as was mentioned is about -- maybe this large or larger and it takes out about 70 times the air pollutants per year than a small tree that it is going to get replaced with. We are in different times. If a year ago this whole thing came out or maybe less time, it would not have mattered as much with the climate as it does now. You have this burden. I ask you to both know. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Anybody else? Yes, madam. MS. KURLAND: Good afternoon. My name is Cecilia Kurland, 3132 Day Avenue. There is not so much that we can do against Mother Nature. We know pretty much what happens with hurricanes and the devastation of our canopy with that. We know what is happening with the fires in California and also in Brazil. We are thinking globally there, but we have to start locally and that we can do. We cannot let our tree canopy -- mature canopy go by human hands. The area needs the mature trees to help with their resiliency. It is a very sensitive area with all the flooding. The ones that we live in the Grove we know every time that when it rains and the problems with the traffic there. Page 53 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 There has been -- so, that is the first row I believe that is going to be raised. Bayshore Drive is supposedly going to be raised to deal with the flooding of the area. So, taking away the trees will not help with that. It will help to make it worse. Also, it will adversely affect the property values in the adjacent area. People invested and we pay large taxes for that reason to have these canopy and the benefits of it. Now, those properties also help with the maintenance of certain public facilities like the roads, the drainage. When there is a property that is going to be paying zero taxes it can start burning on the neighbors -- our neighborhood. We can lose services. We can even get increased taxes. We need the most matured trees that we can save. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Anybody else? MR. GARCIA-DIAZ: Yes, sir, Fabian Garcia -Diaz. I live at 3121 Southwest 22nd Avenue, and I am a neighbor next door to Villa Woodbine. I have been raising my family and my house for the past five years. I am very affected by this Applicant and the application of course. There is one topic that has not been discussed and I do not know it belongs to the commission, but I am very concerned about also the noise, that -- the traffic, the trucks, the trash pickup. Page 54 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. HOPPER: I think that comes in our next item. MR. GARCIA-DIAZ: Yeah, all right. MR. HOPPER: Because we are only doing the trees and -- MR. GARCIA-DIAZ: For the record also I want to let you know that some of the features that described the coral rock are belonging to me as well. MR. HOPPER: Okay. MR. GARCIA-DIAZ: Also, my family has and my kids has enjoyed the grounds of Villa Woodbine in numerous occasions. When they mentioned that there are trees in bad condition I wonder if the City has any say about owners allowing the Woodbines to take over oaks and good trees and choke them to death, and I have brought that -- this issue to the City in couple of occasions, calling for inspectors. I brought up to the owner of the property and the tenant of the property that they just neglect the trees and I see that this is a practice done perhaps in purpose to somebody come and say, well, they are in bad shape. Well, they are in bad shape because they are allowed to be in bad shape and if somebody in this chamber can send an inspector today or tomorrow to assess if there is something that can be done now to protect those threes we all will be a lot more happy, and perhaps less trees can be Page 55 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 removed. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, sir. MR. KURLAND: Nathan Kurland, 3132 Day Avenue. I come before you on behalf of myself, as well as Vice President of Center Grove -- Village of Center Grove, Inc. The reason we are here today reminds me of a short story that I heard about a patient who went in for his yearly physical and during that physical the doctor says, sir, do you realize you have lettuce coming out of your tush and the patient said, doc, it is just the tip of the iceberg. And the tip of the iceberg reminds me while we are here today. You are limiting us to talk about trees although many of us here would like to talk about traffic, would like to talk about congestion, would like to talk about quality of life, but trees it shall be. I have nothing but the greatest respect for Lisa Hammer. I think she is competent, but every time a developer decides that they want to develop, suddenly an invasive tree, which was not causing anyone any problem providing oxygen for all of us to breathe, suddenly the tree becomes invasive, a 123, 50 or -- I think the number quoted was something like 50 of which are red sandalwood. I never knew that red sandalwood was a threat to my existence or to yours, god help us from those red sandalwoods. A 123 Page 56 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 trees -- I moved and love Coconut Grove because of the canopy we have here, and as the gentleman who brought in the little plan showed what we are going to get in the replacement it is not enough. It is absolutely not enough. We have a strip mall at the bottom of Pan American Driveway, absurd. We have a beautiful piece of property at Bayshore Drive that we now want to build something eight times larger than what exists now, absurd. We should be doing everything in our power, and the HEPB Board you are our last line of defense to do everything in our power to keep the canopy that we have, to prevent a gridlock that is surrounding us to the point where if you are on Bayshore Drive or Tigertail Avenue when schools let out you have a problem getting home. And before we make it an impossible problem please understand, most of us are not opposed to Carrollton, the School, we are opposed to putting Carrollton the School in our neighborhood. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Who is next? MS. PUJOL: Hi, there. This is Rose Pujol, 2455 South Bayshore Drive. We have a slide we would like to share with you and we need to -- we are connected here, but we are not too sure how to get it up on -- MR. HOPPER: Get it on the overhead. There you Page 57 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 go. Is that it? MS. PUJOL: Okay. So, what you are looking at right now is information that we have from the proposed school, documents that you have a packet for. What you are looking at right now is the green space that you have currently. That is Villa Woodbine green space. What you are looking at now is the green space of the proposed school and that should settle in -- they may be doing less green space that is required but what we would like you to consider at this time is that the Grove has a character that the Historic Preservation Board is supposed to protect in particular to this site that has a historic preservation overlay, and that the trees that are coming on this property that they are supposed to replace for all the ones that are coming out, we have been told are being placed offsite. So, if you want the Grove to become Coral Way and 87th Avenue that is what you have, or the building that just went up by Green Street then you would approve something like this. But I cannot imagine that the Historic Preservation Board would look at something like this and approve it. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Yes, madam. MS. SEGEREN: I am Dr. Ann Hyslop Segeren. I am at 3301 Kirk Street. I would be right next to the Page 58 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 auditorium -- maybe between the pool and the auditorium. That is where my property backs up. And I just wanted to clarify because there has been a lot of snickering, I do not -- as a Pediatric Neurologist the education of our children is so important and there is no one here, I think, that would disagree with that. Having this school built is important but we need to protect our children and while this needs to be about trees children are like new -baby trees. We have got to protect then. And having a sight line on Bayshore is important but no one is going to appreciate that when they cannot move in the traffic nor when my emergency vehicles cannot get through to those children in that school or to my neighbors. This is a huge safety concern, not for you to judge about the safety but I want to protect these children. I want to protect my neighbors. And if there are 800 more cars going in and out every day twice because it is 400 twice a day, that is going to be a problem and no one is going enjoy your trees. MR. HOPPER: Let me remind everyone. We are talking about trees and walls now. You will have an opportunity to talk about everything else afterwards. So, please limit your discussion to trees and walls. Yes, sir. Page 59 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. VASTINE: Thank you. I am Michael Vastine, I live at 3211 Southwest 22nd Avenue, so I am the neighbor of Dr. Segeren who you just heard from. I think we actually have the worse view of the auditorium, but we can argue about that afterwards, so about trees and walls. You know I moved -- I have been in the Grove since 2001. We moved from Aviation Avenue to our current location because it was beautiful. It was worth investing in because of all the beauty that came with the exact neighborhood where we are now, you know the overhanging trees, the view from when we look at the back. It is a vacant lot right now and then into the Villa Woodbine. I mean that there is just so much green. I guess the -- what I am being offered now and when you look at the renderings and the -- literally the lot right behind the auditorium, so I guess I will be having a 30-plus foot elevation to the peak of the auditorium in terms of walls. I know it sis not the coral -rock wall. I guess the -- but on the tree issue what we see now again is green. Once everything is chopped down I just do not see how we have not -- have a lot that is -- I think it is over three acres, like over 120,000, maybe pushing 150,000 square feet, and we are being offered remedies of trees that are going to be planted with an immediate canopy Page 60 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 that is measured in the hundreds that we are projecting out over a decade, in which I am going be looking at this wall I guess before those things flourish and something gets over a thousand feet. I think -- this whole project I think is entirely misguided and outside of the character and expectations of the entire neighborhood and outside of -- you know it is a destruction of many things and natural beauty, but that remedy they are providing is wholly inadequate. Again, a thin line of trees as illustrated before is no sort of buffer, and so I will save other comments for later. But I just think that the whole destruction of the canopy is something that -- if you are here to preserve something I think it is just so counterintuitive the illustrations my neighbors have showed that this is -- there is no preservation at all, but thank you very much. MR. HOPPER: Thank you, sir. Anybody else want to talk about trees or walls. Not, I will close the public. MS. FLOOD: One second. I am Tamme Flood, 928 Northwest 9th Court, Spring Garden. I really do not have a dog in this fight except for the trees. We live in a beautiful neighborhood. Spring Garden, you all know it. We have the most beautiful tree canopy Page 61 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 because we are the tree huggers. We go out -- when FP&L comes we sign forms that say we have a waiver. If we cut electricity to the whole City we have to, you know, deal with whatever they give us. This is super important and it is unfortunate that you are the last line of defense, because like one man said it is a huge responsibility. But this is our oxygen -- it is really our oxygen and it is really important and especially in this time -- in this political time right now that you protect these trees. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Okay, then last call. Okay, now, I will close public hearing and open up the Boards for questions or comments regarding trees and walls and I believe this -- yours is first. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Mr. Chairman if I may? MR. HOPPER: You may. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: It seems to me that some of the representations that have been made are falsehood -- factually false, and if you can indulge me a moment I would like to run through what they are. MR. HOPPER: Go ahead. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: First, gentleman that was just at the microphone is telling you that this site is a 150,000 square feet. In fact it is 45,341 square feet. The lot coverage of this site -- the allowed lot Page 62 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 coverage is 80,000 square feet. What are we proposing, a lot coverage of 45,000-square feet. The green space that is required is 48,000 square feet and what we are proposing is 54,000 square feet; more green space, less lot coverage. The comparative -site plan that they showed you a moment ago is completely incorrect, why, because it does not show the parking area of the existing building and the reality of that is not only is part of their parking area already paved over with pavers but they also park 200 cars a weekend in the back, in between the trees, all over the bloody site; completely wrong, completely in disagreement with any code we have in the City of Miami. The new construction actually adds -- for 336 students only 35,000 square feet of new building. The existing building is 10,000. The vista to the historic property is not restricted or impaired at all, at all. In fact when the invasives are removed it will probably be improved. To use the word decimated the tree canopy is the biggest falsehood of all. We have not decimated the tree canopy. We have removed trees that are required to be removed by law and at the end of the day in our planting plan we have more tree -canopy area than we have today. So, we are enhancing the tree canopy. Today, some have said that the silver bluff is going to Page 63 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 be blocked from view from Bayshore drive. The silver bluff cannot be seen from Bayshore Drive now, and the silver bluff looks like nothing more in this particular case than a grassy knoll. You saw photographs of it at the last meeting. If you need to see them again, I have them for you. And we have Bob Carr here, our Archaeologist, whose plan for the silver bluff we are following to the letter. In short, this plan actually enhances the entire site. It enhances the coral -rock walls. It enhances the buildings that are there. It restores the main historic site and it restores the tree canopy to what it should be and what it once was. That concludes my commentary. MR. HOPPER: Do you have additional rebuttal? MR. WITKIN: Again, Andy Witkin, Witkin Hults Design Group, Landscape Architects. I just want to clarify because I see the shrub here that is being represented as a tree. If you look at our planting plans, the trees, almost every one are going at 16-foot height. Those require tractors to lift them, not one hand like that. I just want to make sure you totally understand that. MR. HOPPER: Do you have any other rebuttal, Mr. Ethan? MR. WASSERMAN: That concludes our rebuttal. Page 64 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 Again, we are limiting our presentation to what was asked of us at the last hearing? MR. HOPPER: Thank you so much. Yes, sir. MR. MUNOZ: I mean there is sort of some other things have come up but I will just be quick. Mr. Heisenbottle, could you just kind of run us through the square footages while -- since you brought that up actually, because I think we have heard some things? I am not trying to -- so, you are -- only 32,000 square feet are being built, is that what you said correctly. MR. HEISENBOTTLE: 35,207 new -square feet, existing 10,134. MR. MUNOZ: So, the entirety of the new proposed development is 32,000 some -odd square feet, 35,000? MR. HEISENBOTTLE: I did not say it correctly 35,207 new, 10,134 existing. MR. MUNOZ: And that is the existing Villa Woodbine in the other structure that is being joined to the -- MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Yes. The other single-family home, they are being retained. MR. MUNOZ: Right, okay. I got it. Page 65 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. WASSERMAN: Just to be clear, so what you are getting at is when you think of the unit size -- what we consider unit size and in most jurisdictions we are about 25% of what could be -- of the unit size, whereas most jurisdictions you are thinking 50%, 40%, something about that. So, we are severely restricted in what we are building. We are self limiting what we are building is what I am saying. MR. MUNOZ: Right, and so that includes the new classrooms, the auditorium. But you are not -- I mean, the paving of the -- around the pool deck, the pool itself that is not being contemplated in that footprint that you said. MR. WITKIN: That is not calculated in the build area. MR. MUNOZ: What is the footprint of that area, of the pavements and pool and all that sort of thing? MR. WITKIN: I would not venture a guess because it will be a bad guess. MR. MUNOZ: Okay, that is fair. I will take that. I think the rest of it was just pretty much brought up, so I am okay. MR. HOPPER: Any other questions? Yes, Ms. Lewis. MS. LEWIS: Counsel, you said -- I believe Mr. Page 66 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 Heisenbottle said you -- it was spoken about what could be built, right, under zoning. Am I correct in understanding that -- are you saying that that we could start with this however big the property is and build per Miami 21 a heck of a lot more than we could build now? MR. WASSERMAN: Let me give you an example. Yes, I sure am. We can build up to 50% on the first floor and up to 30% on the second floor of square footage. So, if you take the -- MS. LEWIS: How about some numbers? MR. WASSERMAN: If you take the -- I am going to give you some numbers. You are going to let me finish, to give you those numbers. The lot size is 45,000- square feet. MS. LEWIS: 45,000-square feet is the lot size, so this is a one -acre parcel. MR. WASSERMAN: No. No, the lot is about three and a half acres. It is about 160,000. That is correct -- 160,000 square feet, and I will get you the exact number. I will trust my neighbor to my right, a 160 -- 169,096. MS. LEWIS: Okay. And as a matter tell me -- tell us please what you think as a matter of right -- what is the amount of the square footage that as a matter of Page 67 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 right, let us call it conditioned space. MR. WASSERMAN: Sure. So, it is in the zoning letter but I will read it, what is stated there. could have about 80,000 square feet on the first floor. That is a 50% coverage. MS. LEWIS: Yeah. MR. WASSERMAN: And 30% on the second floor, about 48,000 square feet. So, rough math that is about 128, 000 square feet give or take. MS. LEWIS: Okay. My turn and does that take into countenance -- into consideration rather any, what I would, call existing limitations, or existing zoning, or any existing overlays, or any existing prior designations of the property? MR. WASSERMAN: So, that is a great question because when you started to ask that question, it is hard to talk about the site as of right because it is not as right. The site is a historically -designated site and so you do have severe limiting factors in terms of what you can build because we have to design around the historic rock walls. We have to design around the Scenic Transportation Corridor. We have to design around the major trees and we have to, of course, design around Villa Woodbine. If this was a clean slate, a clean property, we could of course hit Page 68 You info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 those maximum numbers. We can -- we know we can but we cannot approach this project and design it as if it is a blank canvas and nothing is there. We have to build into the fabric that is there and I think Rich has done an incredible job doing that and this was something I presented at the first hearing. This is straight from the designation report which I mentioned the first time. This is the outline of essentially what you should and what you could be doing with this property and, again, I will read it into the record. Every attempt should be made to preserve Villa Woodbine, its unobstructed view to South Bayshore Drive, we have done that. Its limestone bluff, we have done that. The major trees on site. Of course, we have done that, while allowing sensitive development at the rear of the property and on adjoining lots. This is straight from the designation report when the property was designated as historic and we followed this as best we could as shown in the plans that are before you. MS. LEWIS: Is that the lodestar is that the sole lodestar that guides that creates the limitations if you will? MR. WASSERMAN: Plus Miami 21, plus the zoning code. MS. LEWIS: Plus Miami 21, okay. And is it your Page 69 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 view that City of Miami Ordinance 11876 remains applicable or not and if you are not familiar with that I will hand it to you? MR. WASSERMAN: Do you have a copy of the actual ordinance? MS. LEWIS: No, I am sorry. I do not. That is a resolution from someone that is opposed to the project. It is apparent -- and I do not -- and I am not representing that that is verbatim. Do you have the -- does your colleague have the full reso? MR. WASSERMAN: Yes. MS. LEWIS: Okay. MR. WASSERMAN: And I will submit a copy into the record if you would like. That was a prior resolution modifying the zoning under Ordinance 11000. It is a prior zoning code. That has since been repealed and replaced by Miami 21. Miami 21 has precise language that says 2.2.1.1, this code, Miami 21 replaces the zoning ordinance for the City of Miami, also known as Ordinance 11000. Then it goes on to accept certain pieces of 11000 that remains. So, this is no longer applicable, controlling, or at all relevant for this site. MS. LEWIS: Okay. And same question with regard to the -- I do not know that I will have the number, Page 70 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 the NCD. There was not overlay if I am not mistaken. MR. WASSERMAN: Yes. NCD is still applicable. The NCD regulations are applicable. They are codified in Miami 21 and they are still applicable. MS. LEWIS: And what NCD is this property? MR. WASSERMAN: NCD-3. MS. LEWIS: This is NCD-3. And do you have a Board on the NCD-3 -- the relevant NCD-3 provisions with regard to this property? MR. WASSERMAN: Not -- I do not have a board prepared but the rates that were applicable from the NCD-3 are in the zoning legend. That is in the plans that are before you. MS. LEWIS: Okay. I take it would be your view that the Villa Woodbine property because of the adoption of Miami 21 and its repealer, okay, that the Villa Woodbine property -- and I am not talking historic designation right now and you will properly say, Lynn, that is not your jurisdiction, but indulge me for just a minute so I understand what you -- what are my rights, what is my authority and what are my limitations. MR. WASSERMAN: Sure. MS. LEWIS: Miami 21 has a repealer of 11000. Miami 21 also says something along the lines of the Page 71 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 adoption of this ordinance will not abrogate any vested rights. It maybe do not -- may not use the word vested, but it is the grandfathering clause, right? MR. WASSERMAN: I am not sure. I would defer to City Attorney on that. MS. LEWIS: Okay. Let us not go there for just a minute. So, your view is that this ordinance that was adopted under 11000 in no way, shape, or form closed this discussion? MR. WASSERMAN: Correct. MS. LEWIS: Okay. Counsel, now I am going to take your advice and ask her. MR. WASSERMAN: Please. MS. LEWIS: We have an ordinance adopted under 11000, okay, and then Miami 21 comes along and some of the opponents have quoted a specific Ordinance Number 11876. That is not really 11000, is it? Is that the number for the entire 11000? MR. WASSERMAN: I am sorry? MS. LEWIS: I do not think 11876 is the entire 11000? MR. WASSERMAN: No -no. MS. LEWIS: Okay. It is just the ordinance which converted, which changed the zoning from this property from single-family to quote, private club, okay. So, Page 72 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 my question is, do you agree with the Applicant's Counsel that Miami 21 totally eliminates the provisions of this ordinance adopted under Ordinance 11000? MS. KETTERER: For the most part, yes. I do have that ordinance in front of me and it is a zoning classification change. Miami 21 currently provides for the current zoning and all of the applicable overlays including NCD, the historic designation and its current zoning. So, that is the applicable zoning. So, this ordinance changing the zoning is no longer necessarily applicable. At one point the zoning was changed back in, I guess, 1999, 2000. MS. LEWIS: Okay, thank you. MR. WASSERMAN: Sure. MR. HOPPER: Any other questions? MR. MUNOZ: Yes, I have one. It is for the landscape architect. The new planting list is it contained in L-3? Is that entirety of it or is there another section that I am missing? MS. DILLEWIJN: No, it is on L-3. MR. MUNOZ: Why is it I am not seeing any reference to slash pine, any of the rock- pineland in that planting list? MS. DILLEWIJN: I do not know if you are looking at a different list than I am, but if I you look at -- Page 73 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 I do not know how best to tell you, but it is on the middle of the list, sorry. MR. MUNOZ: Is it -- are you on L- 3, is it a different sheet number. MS. DILLEWIJN: Yes. MR. MUNOZ: Oh, yes, a much larger than what we have. You have a much shorter list. That is L-3. MR. HOPPER: Please use the microphone. Please speak into the microphone. UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Now, I see that. Okay, so -- MS. DILLEWIJN: One second. MR. HOPPER: What were you saying? UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Evidently -- MS. DILLEWIJN: This is the current landscape plan. UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Okay, I see that there. I just do not see it in this and evidently -- MS. DILLEWIJN: Yes. It seems like you have an older version of the plan. UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Well, yeah, so whatever plan we have in our packet is obviously different from that which -- MS. DILLEWIJN: Yeah. Page 74 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: You all have most recently had. MS. DILLEWIJN: Okay. UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Should be some -- yeah, just do not pan around too much. Just looking for the date, see that? So, I mean, I -- obviously if these plans are being annexed into the whatever sort of subsequent motion may be coming, I think it could be problematic if the Board has been looking at plans that are different from that which has been produced. MS. DILLEWIJN: Yeah, I do not know why. That is out of my hands. MR. WASSERMAN: I do not really know how to answer that. I am not sure what plans you have that were distributed. We have the plans and I would ask staff to confirm that they have the current set of plans that were distributed to you all of course. UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: (Inaudible) 0:183:43 MR. WASSERMAN: What is the date of the plans that you all have? These were signed and sealed on November 11th, 2019. UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: We have 5/20. MR. WASSERMAN: Are you -- let me ask you, are you looking at the COA application or the CO -- Certificate of Approval or Certificate of Appropriateness? Page 75 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: That is a good question. You are looking at 9/2 or 9/3? MR. WASSERMAN: Because, again, what was asked at the last hearing was that we only bring back on the Certificate of Approval. The Certificate of Appropriateness was fully heard and it was not asked to modify that. This will be the controlling plans. UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: This is the fact that was included in HEPB 3. This is the one I am pulling off of. MR. HOPPER: We are only on two. UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: The both, they should both be the same set of plans but it is just the one that I have not opened, I do not think. MR. HOPPER: Yeah. UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: recent. UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: HEPB 2 is the This was from the most Certificate of Approval -- HEPB 2, not HEPB 3. MR. WASSERMAN: And those are the controlling plans. UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Then that might have been much ado about nothing, so sorry for the confusion. But is not HEPB 3 also under consideration tonight? Page 76 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. HEISENBOTTLE: Yeah. MR. WASSERMAN: Which means if those plans are annexed into that, they would be in conflict with the plans on HEPB 2. MR. WASSERMAN: Yeah, these are the -- I will defer to the Historic Preservation Office. These are the controlling plans. These are the plans that were asked to be brought back. We proffered all of these conditions at the last hearing. These are incorporating the proffers that we had made on the record. So, this should be the controlling plans. MR. CAWLEY: May I ask a question? MR. HOPPER: Yes. MR. CAWLEY: One, the exhibits that we are looking at here, we have those same plans in our packets. Sometimes, you know, there is additional supplemental things have to be downloaded like in the main agenda or in the main packet. We think that this information is in there. Like there were some colored elevations in sections going over the silver bluff. Are those in our package? MR. HOPPER: Yes, they are in there. MR. CAWLEY: They are in there. MR. HOPPER: For HEPB 2 because that was the direction that the applicants were given to come --and Page 77 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 I specifically asked at the end of the meeting does this refer to both the Certificate of Approval and Certificate of Appropriateness and it was only the certificate of approval that was required to be amended to be to be brought back. MR. CAWLEY: But that is like -- has to do with a lot -- you know, now that the plans are electronic and distributed in a different way sometimes it can be a little bit confusing. So, all of this information that we have here we all have it distributed electronically to us. There is nothing new in terms of exhibits that has been brought to this hearing that we do not have, like usually when we go to hearings -- MR. HOPPER: I would defer to the applicants if they have introduced anything new, if they have that should be submitted into the record. MR. WASSERMAN: The way you explained it is exactly correct. We brought back -- you asked us to bring back on Item 2, the Certificate of Approval. Everything we basically said we were proffering to do because we wanted to get staff support on the item and address certain comments from the Board. All of that is in your package on Item 2. The only thing extra would have been what I just submitted into the record on the ordinance that was asked about me. That is new. Page 78 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 That is not in our presentation materials. Everything else that you have seen that we presented today is in your packet, except -- I just want to be clear except the canopy. I do not think we have the canopy diagram that is submitted, that was for presentation purposes today. That was not in the package. MR. HOPPER: And I would also point out that one of the conditions in the Certificate of Appropriateness is that the applicants get a Certificate of Approval, so a condition of the Certificate of Appropriateness is that they get the Certificate of Approval. So, any changes brought in for the Certificate of Approval automatically by the condition must be incorporated into the Certificate of Appropriateness. MR. WASSERMAN: Just to make it abundantly clear in case it is not. The plans that are in the Certificate of Approval package are the controlling plans. If to the extent anything is not clear we would gladly proffer that these are the plans for Application 3 as well; they are one and the same just in case there is any confusion. MR. CAWLEY: Yeah. You know, again like basically just to put it all in real common communication format, I was referring to our fellow Board Member who is looking at the plans that we are looking at in the Page 79 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 package and it looked -- the planting plans look a little bit different than these ones. MR. WASSERMAN: From the plans in Item 2. MR. CAWLEY: That is what I am trying to make sure that I fully understand, that I am referring to the right place, because that is like a little stuff and even on an iPad it is a little stuff. So, if I want to see like, okay, what sheet is that plan on in our electronic submittals, what number page would it be. It is not that complicated. MR. WASSERMAN: Okay. MR. CAWLEY: It is either Page 55, 56, 59 of a PDF, very hard to like be referring. So, again, if I was to look at the same plan and say, oh, yeah, this is the pine-rockland corner, I am just trying to understand where to look. MR. WASSERMAN: Sure. MR. CAWLEY: And then also just ask the question for clarification, is there anything like, okay, the tree diagram, okay, totally get it that that is new for the hearing. MR. WASSERMAN: Correct. This is the only item. MR. CAWLEY: So, just trying to clarify and I really appreciate it very much. MR. WASSERMAN: Sure. Page 80 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. CAWLEY: Okay, thank you. MR. TRAGASH: And I will just say -- I am looking at from the package that you sent there were 55 pages for Application Number 2, and so on Page 51 is L-03 but the L-03 that I have does not quite match the L-03. There is more legends, there is more information on that plan that you are showing. MR. MUNOZ: This is an issue. It is definitely not the same drawing that we have. MR. WASSERMAN: Can you check the date? MR. MUNOZ: This L-03 here is different from the one that we received. This one is more detailed. MR. WASSERMAN: What is the date on it, I would just like to cross reference, sir? MR. TRAGASH: The date on the -- the revision date is -- it just says submission 5/20/2019. MR. WASSERMAN: No, that is the original from two hearing ago, MR. TRAGASH: That was what we received though digitally from the staff. And then -- so, that is for the second item. On the third item there is 58 pages. So, I do not know, there is a big difference of the 58 pages versus the 55 pages. MR. WASSERMAN: Would you allow me two minutes to Page 81 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 meet with staff and see if I can get to the root of this? (Thereupon, a short discussion was held off record.) (Hearing resumed.) MR. TRAGASH: Go ahead. MR. WASSERMAN: So, we checked with staff. The correct plans were appropriately uploaded electronically. It seems there maybe -- I do not know the right way to say this, the Board Members need to access it through a certain click -- through a certain link. I do not know if that is happening. I would maybe defer to staff to help. MR. HOPPER: So, let me explain that to you. We get two things. One is easy to do and one is very difficult and tedious, and the tedious one is the one with all the information on it. MR. WASSERMAN: Okay. MR. HOPPER: All the detailed information. MR. WASSERMAN: So, it is there for the record. MR. HOPPER: It is there for the record. MR. WASSERMAN: It is there, okay. MR. HOPPER: So, additional questions. MR. CAWLEY: Well, thanks a lot for the help with the clarification on that one. It is not exactly, you Page 82 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 know, simplest process to review plans. I just have some couple of quick questions, please. MR. WASSERMAN: Yes. MR. CAWLEY: Obviously, you guys have spent a lot of time studying landscape architecture here, you know, and we are looking at the existing tree -disposition plans and I remember I asked the question last time and I will just ask it again for a little bit of clarification. If you were just to say in summary the majority of the existing specimen trees on this property are being protected, correct? MS. DILLEWIJN: Yes. MR. CAWLEY: I mean that is just a fact. It is not like you guys are proposing to remove a giant oak tree or anything like that, not even. You are relocating some specimen trees, right? MS. DILLEWIJN: We are and, you know, can I just say that this is the first time I do this and I wish people would see how much work we put into this and going there, and to answer your question we designed this for the quality of the project. The last thing I looked at was the numbers because to me Coconut Grove was about quality of canopy, quality of life. I created a little report for internal purposes that I would like to share with you guys. So, you see where Page 83 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 the numbers come from, not that this was the driving force of the design. There are 66 specimen trees on survey, two of them are dead, seven of them are prohibited; we are left with 57. Out of the 57, 14 trees are fruit trees and not considered desirable by the City or for this project. We are left with 43. Out of the 43, three of them are palms -- specimen palms that are going to be relocated within the site, to the right location. We are left with 40. Out of the 40, 26 of the biggest specimen trees on site we thought to keep and make part of this project. We are left with 14. Out of those 14, seven are in conflict with the structure. We understand that. But they are all -- we went with Lisa Hammer and studied the conditions. They are frail or poor condition. And the leftover seven are not within the structure conflicts, but they are in bad condition. We want to remove and replace with the right canopy. So, in total, we are keeping 26 specimen trees and we are removing and replacing 28 of them. MR. CAWLEY: Okay. Thank you very much for that summary. MS. DILLEWIJN: Yeah. MR. CAWLEY: I really appreciate it. I am landscape architect as well. So, I get -- you know, I Page 84 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 am just trying to go to the bigger kind of picture. MS. DILLEWIJN: Sure. MR. CAWLEY: So, somebody mentioned that there was a large payment into the Tree Trust Fund. Now, is that because you have to pay into the Tree Trust Fund for trees, whether they are invasive or not? MS. DILLEWIJN: So, the way that the mitigation works, yeah, again, we worked closely with City of Miami to go about this one because, again, this is not an easy project. We are not required to mitigate for invasive species. MR. CAWLEY: Okay. MS. DILLEWIJN: We are required to mitigate for everything else. What we cannot do is count the existing trees as part of mitigation calculation. To make that very simple I am going to attempt to read the list. MR. CAWLEY: So, I do not want to interrupt you. MS. DILLEWIJN: Yeah. MR. CAWLEY: But I just want to keep things on a real simple. MS. DILLEWIJN: Simple, okay. MR. CAWLEY: If a 1000 inches of trees are going away and -- MS. DILLEWIJN: Yeah, a 1000 inches are going Page 85 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 away. MR. CAWLEY: 300 inches or something are coming back or whatever it is, there is a shortfall. That shortfalls because the trees that you are removing -- you know, you are providing less trunk in the City of Miami terms or DBH in the new plan -- MS. DILLEWIJN: Yeah. MR. CAWLEY: And so you are showing a shortfall. MS. DILLEWIJN: Correct. But we are not proposing minimum -size trees. We are going -- MR. CAWLEY: No, I understand that. MS. DILLEWIJN: We are doing larger trees. MR. CAWLEY: But why this shortfall if you do not have to mitigate for all the invasives that you are removing? MS. DILLEWIJN: It is just the size of the exist - - the DBA existing, yes. MR. CAWLEY: It is the size of the existing because the fruit trees and everything would require the mitigation, correct? MS. DILLEWIJN: Yeah, we asked them. MR. CAWLEY: Okay. MS. DILLEWIJN: They require mitigation. MR. CAWLEY: So, then along those lines, I would assume that instead of just placing trees all over the Page 86 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 place in order to make the mitigation work that you are studying the existing natural systems and existing tree locations and sizes and canopy and trying to integrate your new proposed trees in a way which will benefit the existing conditions on the site. MS. DILLEWIJN: Correct.We are not going to jam trees that do not belong here. And so the discussion with ownership is we need to either pay to the Tree Trust Fund or plant these trees within the community, working with the City. So, either/or, yeah. MR. CAWLEY: Okay. Thank you guys very much. Thank you very much for the really -thorough presentation. MS. DILLEWIJN: Thank you. Thank you for your time. MR. HOPPER: Any other questions relating to trees or walls? Okay. Mr. Warren, would you clarify for us again what our next motion should be regarding on this item? MR. ADAMS: What motion? MR. HOPPER: What issue -- what it is about, what would -- what we would be approving if we approve? MR. ADAMS: A Certificate of Approval and the Certificate of appropriateness both require -- MR. HOPPER: But this is just Number 2. Page 87 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. ADAMS: Just Number 2 is the Certificate of Approval. You have the staff analysis, the recommendation and the conditions. MR. WASSERMAN: Each require a separate vote is that what you are saying? MR. HOPPER: Right. We are only dealing with Number 2, be we are going to have public hearing on that one. MR. TARGASH: Mr. Chair, how we typically do this is even though we vote separately we hear the project comprehensively both parts and then we do the vote individually as opposed to hearing one voting on it, hearing the other voting on it. MR. HOPPER: We have a vote with that one. MR. ADAMS: Yeah. The intent of hearing on both at the same time is so everything can be looked at as a whole. MR. HOPPER: So, we have concluded then our discussion on Item number 2. We will now move back -- move to Number 3, because we have not had public input on Number 3. MR. ADAMS: Yes. MR. WASSERMAN: For the record what happened, as I recall, at the last hearing was both items were fully heard; full public comment on both. Page 88 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. HOPPER: Right. MR. WASSERMAN: There was a motion made narrowly tailored to bring back only three items to bring back. The Certificate of Appropriateness Application was fully heard, full testimony, full public comment and it was asked to be brought back to vote in tandem. That you guys did not want to vote on the items essentially separately, you want to hear holistically as a single application and then take two votes. That is how I remember the specifics of the ending of the last hearing. And there was a lot of back and forth with I think Mr. Tragash on that issue of, we would like to see some more discussion on these limited items we are bringing back and not to discuss the other items. MR. HOPPER: Yes. MS. LEWIS: Counsel, are you saying that you have a Certificate of Appropriateness with regard to the historic site? MR. WASSERMAN: That application is before you today. MS. LEWIS: So, today, you do not have a COA for the historic site, correct? MR. WASSERMAN: That is correct. MS. LEWIS: Okay. And we have just spent very informative time talking about trees, coral rock and Page 89 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 bluff. We have not spent any time talking about the historic property. MR. WASSERMAN: That is correct. Today, it was about three, yeah. MS. LEWIS: That is what I am talking, today. MR. WASSERMAN: Yeah, about three hours or so at the original hearing in September it was fully heard and I could put -- we have actually the clip of the lot of the -- MS. LEWIS: I am not asking you to. MR. WASSERMAN: Okay. MS. LEWIS: I am asking is it your position that we should not delve into, let us call it Chapter 23. MR. WASSERMAN: Sure. MS. LEWIS: Historic preservation aspects of this project. MR. WASSERMAN: I would not say it is my position. That was the direction from the Board to us in September. That was the motion made. The Chair actually read it himself. He was the one who verbalized it. So, I am just following the direction from the Board in September. MS. LEWIS: Understood, okay. Thank you. MR. WASSERMAN: And, again, the historic preservation officer actually explicitly asked that Page 90 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 question at the last hearing. That is why he did not present originally the Certificate of Appropriateness, the staff report tonight. MR. HOPPER: Is there any discussion made? (Thereupon, a short discussion was held off record.) (Hearing resumed.) MR. HOPPER: So, we have had a discussion. Now, what was happening with Items Number 2 and 3, is kind of this confusion that has arisen since September which has been a while ago and many intervening events have occurred. What we would like to do now is -- since we did not have any discussion on Item Number 3 is to allow for public input on Item Number 3, before we make our two motions on Items 2 and 3. Is that rightly represent what you would call as -- go ahead. MS. LEWIS: I was not here at the September meeting and so it is my lack of background. I would like to hear you all talk about the historic context vis-A -vis the neighborhood and that includes discussion about traffic. MR. BAILINE: Ryan Bailine with offices at 333 Southeast 2nd Avenue. I am not sure -- I know we had a little bit of a snafu with the right access or the proper access to the plans that were submitted in Page 91 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 November, what have you, but you know when we all and most everyone in this room was here back in September, and I understand you were unable to be here for whatever reason, but we just want to reiterate the fact and it was said probably 10 or 12 times during that hearing and it was confirmed by the City Attorney, that when we walked through the historic analysis the intervention, the rehabilitation whatever you would like to call it, the directive of the Board in reviewing the plans of record -- the appropriate plans of record, vehicle access, turning lanes, that what have you is not something that is before the Board. And I would please refer to the City Attorney and I recall, you know, Mr. Tragash actually complimented us because it is an issue that another board will have to review in the early part of next year. But that analysis, that topic is not something within the purview criteria, jurisdiction or, you know, I -- from one lawyer to another I know I am just trying to be as elegant as possible. MS. LEWIS: Sure -sure and I appreciate that and I appreciate your indulgence of the fact that I was not here and I am coming in and saying, hey, well, what about and you are saying you should have been here in September, right? Page 92 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. BAILINE: I think I am -- I did not mean to say it that way. MS. LEWIS: No -no, you did not -- and you did not say it that way. MR. BAILINE: Okay. MS. LEWIS: But let me ask you a question. You said that there is going to be another review by another board. MR. BAILINE: Yes. MS. LEWIS: Okay. And then you said in a much more elegant way than I could say it. MR. BAILINE: Never been accused of that before. MS. LEWIS: This Board tonight does not have the jurisdiction to consider things like traffic studies, correct? Did I misquote you? MR. BAILINE: No, you did not misquote. I did not say studies but traffic, correct. MS. LEWIS: Traffic stuff. MR. BAILINE: Correct. MS. LEWIS: Okay. What is the other board, what is its scope of review and when is that to happen? MR. BAILINE: So, let me see if I can -- I am thinking back to September because I thought I actually said it pretty succinctly. The charge of the board here this evening -- and, again, please confirm with Page 93 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 the City Attorney is to approve the package of plans before you. So, we could go and get a building permit and build these buildings. The Planning Zoning and Appeals Board which is the subsequent board will review an issue or not, an exception, so that we can use these buildings as a school. That review from a legal perspective factors in turning lanes, vehicle circulation, pickup and drop-off times and all those vehicle -operational issues that one equates where one - - that comes with the operation of a school facility. So, tonight we are here for the buildings, trees and historic preservation. In the early part of next year we anticipate, although we do not have a firm date from the City yet, it will be the establishment of the school use before the Planning Zoning & Appeals Board. MS. LEWIS: Got it. So, whatever we do tonight, you cannot rely on to get a building permit because whatever we do tonight would be -- would -- those plans are for a school. MR. BAILINE: You are correct. MS. LEWIS: So, if we were to say, gosh, we love it, it is just perfect. So, many things are perfect these days. MR. BAILINE: Thank you. MS. LEWIS: It would still be subject to PZAB Page 94 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 approving the school use. MR. BAILINE: 100%. MS. LEWIS: MR. BAILINE: September. MR. TRAGASH: Great. I am clear now. Thank you. Thank you. And we missed you in And just for clarification, I was here during the previous hearing and so -- and I believe I made the motion. I cannot remember exactly every second, but that I was impressed with the level of detail and the resolution of the historic preservation of the Villa and the new construction around it. I had expressed some concerns because there were -- the Applicant was actually proposing that we approve portion of it or to move it along and I was -- had problems with the landscape in terms of the tree canopy and some of the coral -rock walls and that is where we made this motion which we said those are the things that need to come back. MS. LEWIS: Okay. Thank you. MR. CAMPBELL: So, I am actually been satisfied with the presentation. I would like to move -- go forward and make the two motions. And as I get it clear in my head as Ms. Lewis has just allocated, the issues of Transect and turning, drop off, pickup, Bayshore Drive, Tigertail, that is in the province of Page 95 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 the Planning & Zoning Board. So, I am actually ready to go ahead and start proceeding forward these motions. MR. HOPPER: Before you do let me say something. I need to apologize to the people who are here because I offered you another opportunity to speak. I have been corrected. That was not something that we were doing today. We were only revisiting those three items because we did not have an opportunity to talk about those things in September as I recall. I am trying to pull up the minutes for this, so slow here. Would you like to -- please use the microphone. MR. SILVER: Scott Silver, 2980 McFarlane Road. Just -- we believe that is inappropriate in terms of your procedure that when you -- you did not take a vote on any portion of any ordinance during the last when we did not close the public hearing. MR. HOPPER: We did close the public hearing. MR. SILVER: And 10494 which is the ordinance which specifically is not 118 -- 1100 was not -- even if 1100 was repealed, I hear the magic words by the lawyer which are -- I am a recovering attorney myself which is I agree with Counsel for the most part. I would point you to 10434 that provided the historic designation. It said specifically in Section 2, it dealt with the same conditions that is in conforming Page 96 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 with the comprehensive neighborhood plan, not out of scale with the needs of the neighborhood and specifically not adversely affect living conditions, will not create or excessively increase traffic congestion or otherwise affect public safety. So, if your City Attorney can say with a 100o certainty that those do not apply, then you can proceed. We object for the record and would say that it is being done inappropriately. But I do not believe if you look at the -- when 1100 was superseded it was -- the general zoning -code provisions were superseded. If there is a condition place on a specific property I would ask the City Attorney, I would ask you to ask the City Attorney when a specific property has conditions placed on it as a part of its historic designation, are those eliminated. If they are not eliminated then you guys have jurisdiction. I do not believe that simply Counsels representation should be taken without examining that further. I think you need to do that. Otherwise the whole process goes out the window. MR. SNYDER: John Snyder. MR. WASSERMAN: I would object. The public hearing has been closed. This is new testimony coming in when it is being closed. I have to object to anymore testimony being provided at this time. Page 97 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. HOPPER: So, I had things going in my ear. MS. LEWIS: Counsel has objected. This gentleman wants to speak. Counsel has objected because the public hearing has been closed. MR. HOPPER: Right, public hearing is closed. Give us a minute. Give us a minute. MR. SNYDER: Okay, yes, John Snyder. MR. HOPPER: Give us a minute. MR. SNYDER: Oh, okay. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. I am sorry. I keep forgetting to be closer to the microphone. (Thereupon, a short discussion was held off record.) (Hearing resumed.) MR. TRACHTENBERG: I have a question for the City Attorney. In the past we have had situation like this arise and we have made a vote or motion to make a vote on the Board to reopen the public hearing. Is that something that is applicable to this situation? MS. KETTERER: Yes, to reopen. Yes, I want to be clear or I just -- I want to clarify whether the -- because I know it seemed to be limited to Item Number 2 regarding the Certificate of Approval. So, I do not know if it was the Boards intent trying to close the public hearing on both of the items. I know both Page 98 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 of the items were read into the record, but it seemed to be limited to Item Number 2. MR. HOPPER: That is correct. When I closed the public hearing it was specifically on Item Number 2. MS. KETTERER: Okay. MS. LEWIS: So, would you entertain a motion? MR. WASSERMAN: We presented both together as I understood. MS. LEWIS: Would you entertain a motion to reopen the public hearing for comments and an opportunity for rebuttal with regard to Item Number 3? MR. WASSERMAN: Yes. MS. LEWIS: I shall move. MR. HOPPER: Is that second? MR. TRAGASH: Second. MR. HOPPER: The motion to reopen public hearing on Item Number 3, during discussion on that motion -- MR. WASSERMAN: If I can just have one minute to consult? MR. HOPPER: Yes. (Thereupon, a short discussion was held off record.) (Hearing resumed.) MR. WASSERMAN: So, if we are -- if it is the will of this Board to reopen the hearing again, I would just Page 99 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 ask that we have extra time for -- during rebuttal to make a more formal presentation that we normally would on rebuttal. MR. HOPPER: Absolutely. MR. WASSERMAN: Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Absolutely. So, there is a motion to reopen the public hearing on Item Number 3 HEPB Item Number 3 which is the Special Certificate of Appropriateness. Discussion on the motion, have a roll call please. MR. BAILINE: Mr. Chair, I just have one question just for our purposes. Are there -- will there be any guidelines with respect to the public hearing in terms of earlier this evening, it was -- or this afternoon, now evening, it was coral rock, trees and landscaping. Are there any, you know, criteria? MR. HOPPER: Yes, it would be limited to the substance of the application in Number 3. MR. BAILINE: The substance of Application Number 3? MR. HOPPER: MR. BAILINE: MS. LEWIS: what is that? MR. HOPPER: That is correct. Okay, thank you. Just so that everybody understands We will get to that. Page 100 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. BAILINE: That was my next question. MS. LEWIS: Never mind. MR. BAILINE: That was my next question. MR. HOPPER: I will get there. Roll call please. MS. ALVAREZ: Ms. Lewis? MR. HOPPER: Ms. Lewis? MS. LEWIS: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Trachtenberg? MR. TRACHTENBERG: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Campbell? MR. CAMPBELL: I would like to hear what the substance is of third motion before I give my vote, because I am slightly confused actually. MR. HOPPER: Look on -- it is listed in the HEPB Resolution. Look at on the agenda. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay, yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Cawley? MR. CAWLEY: Yes. THE COURT REPORTER: Ms. Galvez Turros? MS. TURROS: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Prieto Y Munoz? MR. MUNOZ: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Tragash? MR. TRAGASH: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Dr. Hopper? Page 101 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. HOPPER: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Motion passes unanimously. MR. HOPPER: Okay. We now reopen the public hearing on Item Number 3. I believe the -- Mr. Warren, Mr. Adams I mean -- hold on. Did you already read the staff report for Number 3? MR. ADAMS: Yes, I did. MR. HOPPER: Yes, you did. So, we will take and could you just give us the -- what is being requested briefly in the applications of -- you know, to what -- to limit their discussion. I believe it is -- tell me if I am wrong, demolition, restoration, alteration and new construction, is that correct? MR. ADAMS: Yes. MR. HOPPER: So, we should limit your point. Our comments should be limited to those topics. That is the demolition Villa Woodbine constructions of existing properties, restoration as well as alterations and new at the same property. MR. SNYDER: MR. HOPPER: MR. SNYDER: Hardie Avenue. MR. HOPPER: Okay? of Thank you. You are first. Okay, thank you, John Snyder, 3980 And I would remind everyone, please limit your comments to three. Page 102 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. SNYDER: Okay, yes. It is my understanding that this Board can approve an alternate use for property even in a single-family neighborhood. So, I think that it is important that whatever you do, you place a condition on it that it will go to the Planning & Zoning Appeals Board because we asked that it be heard there initially before it came to the Historic and Environment Preservation Board. At present, there is already an approved change of use for the property and it set forth certain conditions to mitigate the impact on the neighborhood. Those -- let me just briefly review what they are. The following conditions, it is not of a scale with use -- excuse me, as a -- for usage as a private club, is not of a scale with the needs of the neighborhood or City. The neighborhood, if you include all of Coconut Grove there is 21,000 people. There are 18 private schools in Coconut Grove. They service 6800 students. The number of students for a population of 21,000 is about seven or 800. So, we are already at about 10 times the need of the neighborhood. In regard to the needs of the City, the tuition for this school that is being built will be $30,000 per student. That is just about the median income of the residents of the City of Miami. So, I do not think it is going to meet their needs. Page 103 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 Second or B, it will not materially alter the population density. Well, I agree that it does not do that, but it does certainly increase the traffic and the congestion. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. I remind you again, we are talking about demolition, restoration, alteration and new construction. Who is next? Yes, madam. He got up first. MR. SILVER: What is that? MR. HOPPER: He got up first. He was -- come on. MS. CARPENTER: Thank you. Good evening, Elena Carpenter, 1660 South Bayshore Court. I have some opinions on other issues, but I do have a question that strictly relates to the new construction because I have been confused for a little bit and it -- my confusion started when they said that they could build 200,000 square feet and they were generously only doing 45, but Ms. Lewis actually gave them the exact questioning and we arrived at their limitations and what they could actually build. Now, the second set of questions that she was going to clarify and I hope I am quoting him properly, what came out of a result of your questioning was you approved the package of plans which allows them to go get a permit. After that they go to PZAB which will review and issue the exceptions, so we can use it Page 104 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 as a school, and these are the notes that I took that Mr. Wasserman was saying. And my question to you, so that you can perhaps get an answer for me, is does that mean that by passing Number 3, they can build a 45,000- foot building of unidentified use because that is what I heard. Approve the package of plans before you, so that we can go get a permit and go to PZAB to get an exception to use it as a school. So, does that mean we get a 45,000-square foot building anyway and it is just the use that we do not know? So, if you could get an answer for me, I would appreciate it. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: I would differ to the City Attorney. MS. KETTERER: Regarding whether this approval would allow them to have the school use? MR. WASSERMAN: We are not getting a building I will just cut to the chase. We are not getting a building permit in between. I do not think we can and we are not. MS. KETTERER: Yeah, I mean if this Board wishes to clarify that or put a restriction on that, there could be an additional condition that this approval is subject to any required exception under Miami 21. MR. HOPPER: And I think we already have that, so whatever. Yes, sir. Page 105 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. SILVER: Okay, Scott Silver, 2980 McFarlane. I have bit of piecemeal argument and -- but I am going back to the Dade Heritage Trust letter that has analyzed this and specifically the -- although 11876 was also referencing there, to base the original ordinance that designated this, it had all those conditions that I just related that do allow you to do this. It is 10494 enacted 1988. So, I think you need to get before you take any action, need to understand whether that is in your jurisdiction because I think fortunately in this historic preservation and this particular property when they looked at it, they said this is not just -- we are not just looking at historic, we have to look at the entire context. We have to look at the way it fits in the neighborhood. It is a very unique property. So, what the decision was, what the legislative history is in 1988, I do not know, but they put the conditions in there. So, you are under that, allowed to determine if it is within the scale of the neighborhood, whether it increases traffic. The other concerns that were raised by Dade Heritage Trust in their analysis of it and that we raised is particular related to the silver bluff. It says the site plan calls for a 9975-square foot swimming pool and a 2475-foot upper deck to be build Page 106 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 either encroaching on the silver bluff or beneath the bluff in South Bayshore Drive. To say that they are preserving it when they are encasing it would be like wrapping the Eiffel Tower. We can take the Freedom Tower, knock it down and give people tour showing what it used to look like. I mean encasing it is almost like -- frankly, I think it is laughable to say that they are preserving bluff. The silver bluff is not just the in a -- that almost the silver exposed rock. The silver bluff was referred to, well, just a grassy knoll there. You have to look at the entire geologic formation and what Dade Heritage Trust in their analyzing it, said it may have a negative impact and this is for you to determine on the important archeological and environmental features that is Coconut Grove Silver Bluff. Not only does it have an impact, it covers it. I cannot imagine a more significant impact. The other -- one of the other points that they raised was impact on drainage. I do not know that a drainage plan has been presented. And particularly if you do find the traffic is within your jurisdiction, they did not present any traffic study. We do have information on traffic impact that we are going to put in the record as well. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Anyone else? Yes, sir. Page 107 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. MOSKOVITZ: Hi, Alexander Moskovitz, 2185 South Bayshore Drive. I have heard it said by several folks here that it seems like you guys think -- maybe think of yourself as a design review board and, frankly, I think you are a lot more than that and have designated powers enumerated to you in Chapter 23. Specifically, Chapter 23 provides the intent and purpose, states in Section B2, provide a mechanism whereby the HEPB may in the interest of historic preservation waive certain zoning requirements for those existing structures deemed individually significant or contributing within a designated historic district. Now, moving forward, in the definitions of Chapter 23 under Certificate of Appropriateness, it says, it is a written document issued pursuant to this article permitting specified alterations, demolitions or other work, or to allow certain waivers from the criteria set forth in the zoning ordinance in this chapter. One of the concerns I have, maybe the paranoid person that I am, is that they are going to go to PZAB and say we already got the Special Certificate of Appropriateness from the HEP Board. We do not need you guys to approve the use as a school because we gave them plans for a school and they said okay. Furthermore, I think there is also Page 108 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 designated within the designation, this is an archeological sensitive area. Section 23-6.2(h)(3)(a) states in a relevant part for ground -disturbing activity in archeological zones, archeological sites or archeological conservation areas, of which this is one, no certificate of appropriateness shall be issued for new construction, excavation, tree removal, or any other disturbing activity until the City's archeologist has reviewed the application and made his or her recommendation concerning the required scope of archeological work. If that work has been done, I am unaware of it. When I met with Mr. Adams, he was unaware of it. We would like to see where that work is done. Based on those two reasons alone I think this Board should simply deny the application. Let them reapply later. MR. ADAMS: For clarification, at the meeting it was clearly stated that a Certificate to Dig is required and that is also one of the conditions that is stated in the report. So, that is a condition, an archeological assessment must be done on the site. So, that was explained at the meeting. MR. HOPPER: Yes, madam. Yes, madam. MS. PUJOL: Rose Pujol, 2455 South Bayshore Drive, and I am specifically bringing up the issue of the Page 109 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 traffic study that as early as this morning I spoke to Mr. Warren Adams. MR. HOPPER: We are not discussing traffic, only demolition, restoration, alteration and new construction. MS. PUJOL: Okay. MR. HOPPER: You can do those. Okay, otherwise it is PZAB. Yes, madam. MS. GONZALEZ: My name is Ana Gonzalez. I live at 3000 Coral Way. I am actually a Graduate of Carrollton, so I am pretty familiar with the way the school sort of operates and as you can see from our history or from their history in the area, they own two separate sites in the area and I could say that they are probably the prettiest campuses in all of the 18 schools that are in Coconut Grove. They are the most accurate with regard to historic preservation. They are extremely well maintained. There is a lot of pride in the campuses, specifically because they are part of the community. So, they instill in the students and in the families that go there and in the people who work there to preserve it and to take care of it and I think that if you were to walk any of the properties, you would see that. I was there with the original campus. I saw them build -- or buy and build on the second Page 110 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 campus and I honestly think that they have done a great job and I would think that with something as beautiful as Villa Woodbine, a school might be the best thing. It will preserve it. It will make sure that it is there for years to come. They will have the resources to keep it maintained. And I do not think that by the look of the rest of the Grove in a particular area and what has come up with the housing in the areas that homeowners are going to do nearly as good of a job as an institution as large as the Sacred Heart would do. So, thank you. MR. BAILINE: I know how everybodya€TMs time is super valuable, so what I promised my friends and clients at Carrollton I would do for -- to expedite this is to have anyone who is here -- I did this last hearing but since we have another public hearing I might as well do this again for the record. Anyone who is here on behalf of Carrollton in terms of a supporter, whether you are wearing a button or not, to please stand up and wave. I do not want -- I do not know if you want everyone to get up and come to the podium and say the same things about preservation, construction, what have you. And since it appears my own little personal -- I think she is watching on the computer. I am missing my daughters€TMs llth birthday dinner. Happy Birthday Sasha, Page 111 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 but we are here for a few more hours it would seem, so thank you. MR. KUVIN: I would -- my name is Lowell Kuvin. I represent the residents and I would object to that comment, that none of these people have come forward to testify and none of them have come forward and entered their address or their name into the record and I would ask that you would basically ignore that they stood up. And I understand that they support the school but, however, if they are going to come up and testify and give their name and their address and I think then you can recognize in that. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: It has been done in other meetings the same way from both sides. Yes, sir. MR. PATRICK: My name is Charles Patrick. I am an attorney. My address is 1648 South Bayshore Drive. I have lived in Coconut Grove since 1977, and I have seen the Grove change dramatically and this is an example of what is happening to Coconut Grove. It is being taken over by corporations and you have heard the name Carrollton. Well, Carrollton School of the Sacred Heart is a fictitious name. It does not exist. It is a fictitious name that was registered to a Corporation called the Covenant of the Sacred Heart of Miami Incorporated. That is a corporation that looks like it Page 112 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 is a convent, but it is not. There are no nuns in this convent. The nuns left in 2015, and in 2016 the company was taken over and the President of the convent is the Headmaster of the School. His name is Olen Kalkus. All of the corporate officers of this convent are lay people. There are no nuns at that school. MR. CAMPBELL: MR. PATRICK: MR. CAMPBELL: Forgive me my friend. Forgive me. All right. Forgive me for interrupting you, but we are here to ask the public to speak on the restoration, alteration, and demolition of the property. If we allow everyone to speak like what you are doing, we will be here forever. So, if you have something to speak about the actual project and those three events that I just mentioned, please address that. Thank you. MR. PATRICK: I am addressing -- this is what has happened. MR. CAMPBELL: But you are going into some other history that is not relevant to this. MR. PATRICK: No. This is what happening to Coconut Grove. MR. CAMPBELL: Yes, I understand but -- MR. PATRICK: And it is what is happening to this property. This property -- Page 113 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. CAMPBELL: You are not listening to me, are you? MR. PATRICK: I am listening. MR. CAMPBELL: No, you are not. MR. PATRICK: Demolition and construction of a massive school that is totally out of character with the rest of Coconut Grove. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. MR. HOPPER: There you go. MR. PATRICK: It has a deleterious effect on the entire Coconut Grove including all of South Bayshore Drive, all of Tigertail and all of the surrounding areas. And this has -- it fits a pattern of conduct that is not the only time this has happened. It has happened down in Carrollton. They will buy properties all around Carrollton School now to convert them to this use. This is a wolf in sheep clothing and this Board has an obligation to this community to do something about it and to preserve the history of Coconut Grove and not let it be sold to Corporate America. MR. LOPEZ: Mr. Chairman, Honorable Members of the Board, my name is George Lopez. My family and I reside at 1889 South Bayshore Drive. I just want to comment for the record that we also submitted direct Page 114 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 communication to Mr. Adams, be part of the record in support of the application and specifically on the points that you are addressing now and pointing to the history and legacy that the Carrollton extended family has done with their current properties and I would submit to you that they will do with this property in terms of any and all commitments to preserve and enhance the site. Thank you very much. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, madam. MS. MARTINEZ: Good evening. My name is Maria Martinez. I reside at 2541 Lincoln Avenue, so I am a neighbor. I am about, you know, a couple blocks away. I am also an alumna and I am also -- I also studied Architecture at the University of Miami which is, you know, known for its respect for preservation for urban design, for respecting neighborhood. I understand what, you know, the civic duty of an architect and what a project of this magnitude can -- you know, implies upon its neighbors. And I just want to express my personal support for the project as well as remind the Board and remind them to consider the fact that Carrollton has a longstanding tradition of respecting, you know, its -- or having respect for historic preservation of its buildings, having respect for its neighbor and its neighborhood. We all can look at the Page 115 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 -- its buildings along Main Highway on the way to Grove and we can -- I think we could all say that they are beautiful contributions to our neighborhood. I personally think that they are part of the Grove. You know, we are saying that this is a new Grove, but I think that these -- those buildings are already part of what Coconut Grove is. So, again, I express my support and, you know, I encourage you to do so as well. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, madam. MS. MILLER: My name is Catherine Miller, 3221 Morris Lane. For those of you who do not know where that is, it is a Cul De Sac, right between Villa Woodbine and Ransom. I got myself a scooter because many -many times I cannot get in and out. I know this is about appropriateness, but in my world appropriateness is also, is it appropriate for the neighborhood in general. Can you just take an historic site and build a school? If people cannot get to their house or back, and I have two children and I love the Grove and I love that I can chose from 18 different schools. Do I need a 19th? I do not know. But still it is not appropriate and I can take a scooter, but the elderly neighbors I have in this Cul De Sac which need an ambulance once a month at least, will not get their ambulance during drop-off and pickup. I know it is a Page 116 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 different board but for some reason I have the feeling that this is really intertwined in a very slippery slope. So, please do not vote for this. MR. HOPPER: Yes, madam. MS. CARPENTER: Elena Carpenter, 1660 South Bayshore Court. I thought a statement that I think was too easily dismissed but was important, was made by Mr. Lowell Kuvin and he said that it is really easy to say stand up all those who are in favor of Carrollton, I would have preferred that they come here individually and they told me this is my name and this is my address and I live in the City of Miami or better yet Coconut Grove. But why do I say this because Carrollton School as Ransom does, and my son went to Ransom and I went to the Sacred Heart. They are going to serve Key Biscayne South Miami, Coral Gables, Pine Crest and whatever else I have forgotten, and the minimal amount of students are going to be from Coconut Grove. It exists now in Carrollton and it exists in Ransom and in many of the high -price schools in Coconut Grove. However, to service this expanded Miami -Dade County area, we are going to take a 45 or 46,000-square foot structure and skydive it right in the middle of a single-family neighborhood which, I mean, activists of yore in Coconut Grove must be just turning in their graves. Page 117 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 You do not do that. You expect protection from the City in a single-family neighborhood. But what are we going to do? We cannot talk about traffic, but Mr. Heisenbottle whom I adore and respect did say that currently at Villa Woodbine, 200 cars park in the weekends against code and they park everywhere. When Carrollton School for Boys has an event at night, those 400 cars are going to park on Morris Lane and Tigertail and at Kennedy Park. Thank you. MR. ARGIZ: Hi. Tony Argiz, 1450 Brickell Drive and I just want to correct the record here. A gentleman spoke out of tune here. First, it is not a covenant. It is a Convent of the Sacred Heart that owns the real estate. Second of all, he also indicated that since 2015 there has not been a nun. That is a sexiest word by the way. A nun since 2015, I like to point out in the stand, there is a religious of the Sacred Heart that has been at our school since 1980 -- 1978 -- MR. ARGIZ: '63. MR. ARGIZ: And her name is Ann Taylor. Ann, could you get up? So -- and she is still at that School. So, clear the record, you know, unfortunately there is more -- not more religious to the Sacred Heart because like every other order in the Catholic Church, Page 118 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 they are diminishing quickly. So, thank you for your time. MR. KAUFMAN: Thank you. Good afternoon. My name is Ariel Kaufman. I am resident in Coconut Grove, 3757 Carmen Court. I am A Physician/Urologist practicing actively at Mercy Hospital which I am on call right now. And I took the time, I requested permit to come here on behalf of most of the employees, physicians and most important, thousands of patients that live in this area, okay, and that have to depend on Mercy Hospital for their health. This, as you may or may not imagine effects people, effects life and this is a life or death situation. A person can die on the way to Mercy Hospital because he got an MI, a myocardial infarction or a stroke, and those minutes that they are going to be in traffic -- and believe me I drive to Mercy every single day. I know that you are talking -- MR. CAMPBELL: Please. No, wait -wait, hold on a second. MR. HOPPER: MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. MR. HOPPER: And I must ask everyone is concerned with traffic. traffic. We are about demolition, alteration, and new construction. Page 119 Mr. Campbell. Mr. Campbell. you, again, I know We are not about restoration, info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. KAUFMAN: Demolition. Carrollton School has demolished houses that have historic preservation value, like Parker House right next to the school and there is another Parker House that they just bought that has, as Mr. Adams probably knows, very historic value and we will talk about that today. But if we are talking about demolition, that is also important. Carrollton School is demolishing houses right next to the school for unknown purposes because only one house is now in habitat by the school director. The rest of the houses have no known purposes to be there. And I hope that some point I can speak on behalf of the many patients that go to Mercy Hospital. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Yes, madam. MS. RHODES: Good evening. My name is Ebony Rhodes. I live at 3146 Hibiscus Street. I did speak at the last hearing and I am here again to reiterate that there are those of us who are in support of this project, who are members of Coconut Grove Community. I was compelled to speak last time because I live in a historic property in the Grove in one of the wood -frame vernacular homes and that was a very controversial process that I was a part of where I had to consider personally how I felt about the importance of historic preservation. And I am saying on record again that it Page 120 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 was because of Carrollton School of the Sacred Heart and understanding, I work in the building of El Jardin and I understand I have been brought into a culture of stewardship, of preservation, and I respect that and honor that, and that actually did change my personal opinion on how I steward my own personal property and also as the Director of Community Partners at the School, it is my job and my point of pride to serve the Coconut Grove Community directly and especially in the West Grove which is also part of the community. So, in that sense what we do as a school reverberates throughout the community in many different nuances. I want to make sure it is on record. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, madam. MS. SEGEREN: Hi, Ann Hyslop Segeren again, 3301 Kirk Street. Just to -- I just do not know how this quite fits in but just to add a little historical context to our neighborhood which was constructed by an architect, he constructed about 10 or 11 homes on what was called The Hill which is the bluff that we live on. He did so -- he was architect from Bogota and he came up here, he actually built low- income housing for those in South America and then he got a grant from the City that allowed him to put up these homes where I live and several of my neighbors Page 121 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 live, which do not -- which have minimal east -facing windows so that they were economical, they did not require air conditioning initially, and the whole idea was a very environmentally -friendly approach. And so he took down very few trees and due to that our houses are built in different angles and around trees and, you know, my house is cupping a sea grape and so, anyway, I think they are about nine houses built by Hernando Acosta and I just thought -- because I heard somebody earlier talking about her window of a new historical build was going to be three feet from her home and I thought, wow, I did not know I had -- I could talk to somebody about details like that and about maybe how this would impact me. I thought that was -- I thought maybe that would be selfish, but I think that I would like to do that, but I just wanted to share the history of our homes and how important that is and it actually played in my decision to buy my home. So, thank you. MR. HOPPER: Yes, madam. MS. CARDELLO: Rachel Cardello, 2175 Tigertail Avenue. It is kind of exciting to talk twice in one meeting. I never had that happen before. But I want to focus on -- you mentioned the compatibility architecturally of this proposed school in the neighborhood that we have. So, again, I live across Page 122 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 the street from the proposed double -wide driveway entry point. My house is about 60-feet that faces Tigertail. The academic building that is being proposed is 18-feet off the street and is 111-feet wide. I consider my house pretty typical for the area. It is about 2400 square feet. There is majority of the single family with one little pop up, that is a second story and it is a donut. So, I have a pretty significant courtyard in there but the main house is about 2400 square feet. In comparison to double the size in just what is front in Tigertail, the depth of that building which is facing my neighbors across the street on their side lots, is 242-feet long. My house in the other direction is 80-feet long. So, to give you a sense of scale, we are talking about three times the size of what I would consider an average house in that neighborhood. If you continue on to the auditorium, you have got about a 120-feet that are facing the side lots and our neighbors and that is about 10 to 20-feet depending on where you are off the property line. And that roof while not measured on the drawings themselves, probably peaks out at about 33-feet, again much taller than the typical one-story homes that are in this neighborhood. So, my problem is primarily compatibility and scale. And earlier somebody on the Page 123 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 Board and I think it was Mr. Campbell asked, well, what is it look like in context? I will show you if you are interested.This is the scale put on an aerial of the school relative to all the single-family homes. What they are also not really talking about is the scale of the academic buildings relative to Villa Woodbine itself, and the idea of not overshadowing that is significant resource on the site. So, I am happy to share these two images that I think in terms of compatibility, I do not think it is. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. Yes, sir. MR. FERRAO: Derek Ferrao, 3530 Rockerman Road. I first want to just thank you because you all are volunteers as I understand. So, I am very grateful that you are sitting here and reviewing everything and someone previously said you are our last best hope for understanding our point of view and our view of this area as it pertains to, you know, us living there. The school, I think it is a -- I think Carrollton is a wonderful place. The only point is we are disagreeing with is its location. We do not want it at Villa Woodbine. We do not want any school. If any other school wanted to come there, we would fight just as hard to make sure it is not going to be there. To build a 45,000-square foot presence in a residential Page 124 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 area impacts us greatly. You know, just the thought of all the cars and all the other things that go with a 45,000-square foot structure with people coming in and out, day in, day out, everyday of the week and there are other factors because we -- I use Kennedy Park and I do not know what is going to be the impact there. have people at Kennedy Park parking on our street where we cannot get out and we had the City OR rather the County put in a special area so we could back out and they blocked off an area that we can back into the street, so we can get out. I am just saying that we as residents and I felt a little hurt when somebody mentioned that Carrollton would do a better job on Villa Woodbine than maybe a resident of Coconut Grove, I think we have the appropriateness if we needed to do something with it, but the point is that we feel it is an appropriate use for now because it is not impacting the residents to the level that this would. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Yes, madam. MS. MCCONNELL: Sue McConnell. I am the President of Village of Centre Grove which goes from US-1 to Main Highway -- I mean US-1 to Main Highway. MR. HOPPER: And your address. MS. MCCONNELL: Yeah, a little. MR. HOPPER: No, your address for the record, Page 125 I info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 please. MS. MCCONNELL: 3090 Virginia Street. I did not speak about the trees, demolition as an issue. I do not know if we are going to be allowed to speak on traffic, but whether or not we will be able to -- I have a resolution here from the Villa of Centre Grove asking you to deny this application. And if I may pass this out to all of you I would like to do that now. MR. HOPPER: Yes, go ahead and give one to the gentleman over there and to the staff. Yes, sir. MR. KUVIN: Yes. Good evening. My name is Lowell Kuvin. I represent the residents and the homeowners that surround this piece of property. I would just like to say something to the Board that I think is very important. Just because you could approve this, does not necessarily mean that you should and the reason being is that I think you have seen a lot of people come up here and speak today and they have spoken very passionately about their homes, their property and what this School is going to mean to that piece of property. Now, not one single person here has spoken out and said, oh, we do not like Carrollton. Nobody here is anti -school or anti -child, but this is a good project but for the wrong location. These people, when they bought their property here bought it next to Villa Page 126 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 Woodbine and that was very important to them, and some of them have paid millions of dollars for their houses. And now what we have is a corporation, basically a business, that is going to move in and build a very large building and bring a lot of traffic to the neighborhood, and we have a school that is 250 yards away from this particular piece of property. And again, nobody is anti -school here, but what they are is trying to preserve their way of life, their homes just like you, the people on the Board here would want to preserve your home or your style -- lifestyle. And it has gotten to the point where it is the boiling, it is the filling -- overfilling of the cup when it comes to traffic. I was born in Miami. I was raised in Coconut Grove in the 60s and so, yes, I have seen what it has become. And, again, it seems a little bit like there is a round peck trying to be put into a square hole here. And, again, just one more time, just because you can approve it does not mean you should. I see a lot of people here that are passionate about the school and what it is done for their children. However, they can do that somewhere else. They can put in Coconut -- they can put it in Coral Gables, they can put it elsewhere in the City of Miami. And, again, these are a lot of homeowners that have come up and spoken to you Page 127 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 today. So, please just because you can does not necessarily mean that you should. Thank you. MR. KODSI: Hi. My name is Isaac Kodsi. I live at 2131 South Bayshore. Again, I did speak here last time. I abut the property with 450 feet. I will be the most damaged resident in this entire room, okay, but I am not here for myself though. I really am not. What I want to come in and just say is really just one keyword and that is really the word appropriate. That is the whole purpose of this entire charade that we are doing out here is one word and it is the word appropriate. And the point is, yeah, they come to a historical board and, you know, the previous applicant came here to add to a house -- to a historical house. They are not coming here and adding to a historical house. My house is a John Peacock House. It is a 110 years old. The owner spent millions of dollars to renovate it. A private citizen renovated a spectacular home, okay. So, you want to come here -- they should come here and talk to you about preserving a house. Adding to a house, that is appropriate to a house not to add a school. DeGarmo did not build a house so a school could be added to it, because I am telling you guys, you guys are going to create precedent in the City of Miami. Someone like me who has got a Page 128 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 historical house with an extra acre -- and I am telling you right now, I am already started thinking of what I can build in the back of my house that is appropriate now to a school -- to be another school, maybe a tennis school, maybe -- I do not even know what but I will figure it out, because that is what you are going to start doing here. That is what the purpose of your Board is here. So, when they came up here and they said to you, we did not build as much as we could, no normal person is building a 45,000-square foot house if they bought 3.7 acres. A person that would buy 3.7 acres in the Grove would take the existing home, add another couple of thousand square feet to it and then the rest would be all lush gardens, okay, not a 200,000-square foot -- I mean, 240-foot building, okay. That is not a house. Remember we are on a house property. This is a residential property with a special exception, okay, for a private club. That has how this has all started, okay. This was a regular residential house, okay. They could not do what they are doing. It is flat out. They are playing you guys. They are just simply playing you. Thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. MR. KODSI: And I am Carrollton parent, I am very proud of it. Page 129 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. HOPPER: Anyone else? Now, I will close the public hearing and allow attorneys some rebuttal time. MR. WASSERMAN: Sure. And I will keep my rebuttal very brief and I will turn it over to Rich Heisenbottle to walk you through the design of the new construction, again, for the record. MR. HOPPER: Okay. MR. WASSERMAN: So, from just a -- again, this was the presentation we made at the last hearing but for everyonea€TMs benefit again we are now talking about the certificate of appropriateness and from a jurisdictional perspective it is important to remember what it is we are talking about under the certificate of appropriateness, that is this blue outline of the property. This is based on a designation report which created the jurisdiction along with this application. You will notice very little does it touch Tigertail side; it does not touch this side of the property or this side of the property. Again, just for technical explanation, I wanted that to be clear again for the record. I mentioned this prior but, again, when you are trying to understand where the new construction is located we followed the designation reports, guidance, and I said this of -- this point a few hours ago I think, but the whole point of this designation was to Page 130 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 allow sensitive development at the rear of the property and on adjoining lots. MR. HOPPER: And while you are there let me just ask you to clarify something. Is this construction going into rear of the property? MR. WASSERMAN: Yes. MR. HOPPER: Is it -- is any of it going in the front of the property? MR. WASSERMAN: No. In front of the Woodbine from MR. HOPPER: You define front as being towards -- facing Bayshore Drive. MR. WASSERMAN: Bayshore, sp it is towards the Scenic Transportation Corridor and the front of Villa Woodbine. That is correct. MR. HOPPER: And the other construction is on the adjoining lots, is that correct? MR. WASSERMAN: Correct. That is correct. MR. HOPPER: Thank you. MR. WASSERMAN: I will turn it over to Rich. Yeah, just start with that please. MR. Heisenbottle: Board Members, members of the audience this evening, I think we are all tired and we sat here last time through, what was it, three -and - half, four hours worth of testimony on the details of Page 131 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 how this was built and I actually think that I did a rare thing. I took the approach of speaking to you about what our thought process was, what our logic diagram was for the design of this project. And I am going to just kind of keep this discussion much shorter than last time. And I think that is the pleasure of the Board that you do not want my one -hour version, so we are going to make it a 10-minute version. Why do we do the things we do -- did where we did them? We built the School in this location -- the new two-story school in that location because it allowed for two different things. It allowed us to occupy land that was already built upon by the previous homes that were being demolished, and we have showed you those homes. You know what the site plan looks like. Why did we put the auditorium in this location, because it is a location that had few if any trees, and both were located across the way -- across the roadway from the building. We never had to attach it to the existing Villa Woodbine. We only had to make it in proximity and give it a nice connection with an arcade -- a covered arcade that the students can transfer from the classroom building on the left to the auditorium building on the right. Why did we locate the entrance in the middle of the property? Because by locating the entrance in the Page 132 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 middle of the property we can be assured that our school is not going to line up traffic outside of Tigertail. But traffic is not the discussion, we know that. We did everything in the site plan that we can possibly do to accommodate the historic nature of this site including the bluff and relative to the bluff, I might add, we have Bob Carr with us, our archeologist. Bob is standing right there. As I said to you before, we have followed Bob recommendations of how to protect this bluff to a T, even though it is not the kind of bluff that can be visualized or even seen from the street. So, now, I want to shift gears a little bit and talk to you about what we are actually doing with Villa Woodbine itself. Then, this is the part of the presentation that I think -- we should get someone to put this up on the screen in front of all of you. Not happening, anybody -- there we go. The restoration of Villa Woodbine itself will be as meticulous as any restoration my firm has ever done. While the building gives the impression of being in a very good condition, it has not a seen a lick of work in more years than we can imagine. It has been converted -- most of the lower area has been converted to a kitchen to serve the 200 or so -- 225 guests that come every weekend outside. That lawn that the guests use will now become Page 133 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 a play area for the students. You have got in front of you an existing and proposed set of floor plans that depict all of the kinds of work that we will be doing to restore this building. All of it will be done in accordance with the Secretary of the Interior Standards right down to the restoration and/or replacement when necessary of windows and doors and iron work, removal from the building of inappropriate air-conditioning units and electrical lines that have been attached virtually all over the place. The only architectural intervention on the inside of this building and one that will not be seen, I might add, is the intervention of putting an elevator to bring a lift, to bring handicap persons up to the second floor, and we did that with enough care to assure that that is not seen from the outside of the building, it never goes through the roof with the override. On the outside of the building, every element of that building from the wrought iron -gate work to the roof is being restored. Notice, I said restored, because restoration is the key to this entire process. If you look -- if you could see this closely enough, I do not know if they -- how it comes up on your monitors back there. You would know -- you would see that the existing -- let us see if I can -- yeah, that works. Look at that. Touch Page 134 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 screen. We will be removing things such as the exhaust fans that come out of the kitchen and that area will be completely renovated to become the teachers lounge. All the electrical work that is now there that is all over this building will ultimately go way. You will be left with a properly -restored historic DeGarmo Landmark that anyone and everyone here should be proud to have, no additions, no alterations. Each of the interior spaces has been converted to a use -- an administrative use for the school except for one room. That room is the chapel and we have taken the living room in the DeGarmo house and we will convert that to a chapel. Ladies and gentleman, that is the essence of this restoration project. Sensitive site planning to mitigates the problems of -- that would normally occur with a school and sensitive historic preservation that meets the Secretary standards. I urge you to approve our Certificate of Appropriateness. Thank you. MR. WASSERMAN: Like I said, two quick cleanup items just to be clear. Because it is a reopen public comment I am not sure procedurally, I just want to make sure all of the prior hearing is incorporated by reference and is part of the records, and I will close with staff is recommending in favor of this item. Page 135 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 There is substantial competent evidence for you all to rely on to approve this request, thank you. MR. HOPPER: Thank you very much. The public hearing is now closed and we will open to -- and I really mean it this time. For both items and we will have opportunity for discussion, questions, comments on Item 2 or Item Number 3 and 4. MR. CAMPBELL: I have a question. How did the Carrollton School acquire this property? MR. WASSERMAN: We are contract purchaser. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. Who was the owner of the property before the school? MR. BAILINE: Ryan Bailine, again, 333 Southeast 2nd Avenue. We will be acquiring the property in the next few weeks. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. And the owner of the property at present? MR. BAILINE: Is a family -- I believe a Greek family that lives in Panama. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. And the Villa was designated historic but -- and that historic designation of the Villa sits on this family's property. So, am I correct? The designation was approved by the owners of the property at the moment. MR. BAILINE: The folks that own the property now Page 136 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 did not own the property when it was designated. The designation was several years ago. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. MR. BAILINE: I am not sure who owned it at the time. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. So, I am just trying to get a clear picture of the neighbors and the neighborhood and the people that surround the immediate adjacent properties and the immediate adjacent neighbors around the property. From reading the information, I thought that I had an impression that perhaps the site was owned by the City of Miami or it had some kind of public use or the Villa itself had some public use. was the -- has it been always a private property? MR. BAILINE: The answer is yes. I am not sure where you may have read what you read, but I heard secondhand that when -- a couple of weeks ago or whenever it was, when the Dade Heritage Trust reviewed our plans they did what I thought was an interesting thing. They allowed Mr. Heisenbottle to go over the plans and before that they had the folks who presented the other side I guess, present the plans. They did not allow us to be in that room. And there was a representation made on the record at that meeting that there was a recorded covenant that, you know, there had Page 137 It info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 to be some park -like features or something like that. I am not sure if that is what you are referring to. I heard that as well but you can rest assure whether it is entitled or in any of the agreements that you have reviewed, that could not be farther from the case. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. It was not that but -- MR. BAILINE: That is what I heard, so I was just sharing with you. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. So, it has always been a private property? MR. BAILINE: Yes, and is certainly not owned by the City of Miami. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. Now, it was -- what was the zoning designation for that property? What is the zoning designation for it at this moment in time? MR. WASSERMAN: It is a T3-R with an NCD-3 overlay and there is an approved commercial use on site today. MR. CAMPBELL: So, it is an approved commercial use. Has that always been there, that approved commercial use? MR. WASSERMAN: I do not recall off the top of my head when that commercial use was approved, but that is the current use of the property today. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. So, you have no idea when the designation was -- or the zoning was change to Page 138 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 allow commercial use on that property? MR. WASSERMAN: Off the top of my head, no. MR. CAMPBELL: Or how many years, you have no idea? MR. WASSERMAN: I just do not recall and I apologies. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay, but that is public information though that the property -- MR. WASSERMAN: There is a City license for it. MR. CAMPBELL: Right, so the property -- this is public information, the property is private and the zoning designation has -- does allow commercial use. MR. WASSERMAN: Correct. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. So, I would just like to say knowing that this property has this potential to be used commercially, the fact that the Carrollton School has purchased or is attempting to purchase the property and has hired Mr. Heisenbottle to do, what I think is, a very graceful intervention into that property, very well complimenting the buildings that are there now. I live in neighborhoods that surround the Design District and at the moment we are battling properties that want to build 25-story high-rise apartment buildings That is the kind of battle we are facing there. This is a private property that has a commercial use with very Page 139 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 graceful buildings and I think the people of the Grove should actually take a moment and a breath to think about what you actually have and the type of battle you are facing versus what is going on around the rest of the City. One concern I did have about the property -- well, I had a couple of concerns. The environmental features, I am not satisfied that the coral -rock wall which is facing the pool deck in on the lower southeast corner of the property, is only 20o at most of the frontage of Bayshore Drive. It does not obliterate the enjoyment of the view along Bayshore Drive. I am also satisfied with the plan sections and elevations and the restorations that office of Mr. Heisenbottle has done and I would -- I was concerned -- I am concerned about the traffic, but I think the energy of that should be taken away from this location where we are on this night, and taking to the PZAB Board meeting, that is the same energy you have here tonight about the traffic and the impact when -- the member of this planning and zoning, those guys will be able to really knock down the situation about traffic movement, you know zoning issues. Take the energy -- the same energy you have showed us tonight and the same passion, make sure you have it when you present to -- when you -- when this issue comes up at that Board. Yes, I think that this Page 140 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 project will be a good thing for the future of the neighborhood, seeing that worse could happen and it is a commercial private property. Just take a breath and think about it for a moment. MR. HOPPER: Do you have any questions or comments? MS. TURROS: I wanted clarification on something that has been mentioned a couple of times about the 1999 overlay or historic preservation overlay, and I want to ask the City Attorney. I think Ms. Lewis was also asking you about it. Somebody said that that was overwritten by Miami 21, so that those actual -- MS. KETTERER: So, the reason why I said I somewhat agree with the Attorney for the Applicant is, I do not know that it was necessarily overwritten. However, this -- or this particular ordinance was a specific request under the previous zoning ordinance and those requirements or the findings were for this particular request. So, after reviewing this ordinance and the previous zoning ordinance this seems to be like a conditional use or a deviation from the use that is allowed under their current zoning which may explain why they have a commercial use there. So, this was basically a deviation of the use. MS. TURROS: So, these conditions still apply to Page 141 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 that specific property? MS. KETTERER: Well, they are not conditions. They are basically findings that when City Commission approved this they found that that particular use was in conformity with the Miami Comprehensive Neighborhood Plan, was not contrary to the established land -use patterns, all of those things. These were findings, not necessarily -- they were not imposing those conditions, etc. It was basically findings that that use complied with all of those. MS. TURROS: So, is it your legal opinion to the Board then to disregard those findings considering -- MS. KETTERER: Well, it is not applicable to the current application. MS. TURROS: Okay. MS. KETTERER: Because those findings were applicable to the request to use the property in that way at that time. This right now is the Special Certificate of Appropriateness for the alterations, demolition, construction, regarding the new project. Does that make sense? MS. TURROS: Yes. MS. KETTERER: Okay. MR. HOPPER: We are ready for our motion. MS. LEWIS: Couple of questions and then comments. Page 142 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 I always get nervous when very skilled -applicant teams come before this Board and say, please give us a Certificate of Appropriateness under Chapter 23, and we say, okay, but you know we have really narrow jurisdiction. We issue a certificate of appropriateness and then six months, two years later, we find that it was represented to another board that has different and perhaps greater jurisdiction. Well, the HEP Board approved us and thus there is an argument made by very skilled -applicant counsel that we relied to our detriment and we spent lots of money on legal fees and architectural fees and so you cannot take it away because they, the HEP Board approved so. So, I always struggle with, how can we stop very skilled - applicant teams from making that kind of an argument. I do not have a good answer yet. So, we are here and you all have said and staff has said and counsel has said, well, but we cannot do this use because we have to go to PZAB first, understood. And, well, you know, you could condition the Special Certificate of Appropriateness as staff has recommended on full approvals under Miami 21, got it. So, indulge me to get it all out and then you can answer please. Why should not you go to PZAB first to get the use? Next question, our ordinance is very clear that you need to Page 143 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 have an architectural -- an archeological survey before a special certificate of appropriateness can be granted in this type of district, and I understand that our COA can be conditioned upon going out and getting an archeological survey and a Certificate to Dig, indeed that is what staff has recommended. But I have another question, why have you not done an archeological survey first? Then to my fellow Board Members. We are struggling with what can we do, what can we say, what context can we be aware of with regard to a historic site that I believe was colored grey and only touches Tigertail a little bit and it is a narrow site. And our Code Chapter 23 says that a special certificate of appropriateness shall be decided by the Board based on the guidelines in the chapter as well as the general purposes of the chapter. Guidelines, and this is 23- 6.2(h) say that -- and I am paraphrasing and I have lost it on my computer, so you are just going have to humor me until I pull it up, okay, that we will look at among other things -- damn it, I cannot even pronounce it, the state of congruitness. It does not use those words. It says congruity between the subject structure and its neighboring structures and surroundings. So, I would say to all of us though we are not the PZAB and should not pretend to be the PZAB, we do not have the Page 144 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 skill or the competence or the law behind us, and we would get overturned if we do not want that, that we can consider with regard to a special certificate -of - appropriateness application, the congruity between the historic structure and what is proposed to the modification to that specially -designated structure. Compare -- evaluate the congruity between that and its neighborhood structures and surroundings. And our general purposes of the statue -- I will go away. Include the intent and purpose of Chapter 23 is to preserve and protect the heritage of the City, yakedi- yakedi, and further intended to -- and I am quoting, effect and accomplish the protection, enhancement, perpetuation and use of structures, landscape features, archeological and paleontological resources, areas, neighborhoods and scenic vistas which represent distinctive elements of the City's historic cultural archeological, paleontological, aesthetic and architectural heritage. Protect -- Number 3, protect and enhance the aesthetic and environmental character, diversity and interest of neighborhoods. So, to recap, we are bound by 23-6.2. We shall decide based on the guidelines as well as the general purposes of the chapter. The guidelines include looking at the congruity between the subject structure and its Page 145 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 neighboring structures and surroundings, purpose of the Chapter 23-1(a) (1) and (3) are the parts that I have just quoted. I am not trying to sandbag you all nor am I trying at this late hour to get into a legal argument about what those words mean. But you all -- all you people in blue t-shirts, all you fellow alumnae will have another opportunity in front of PZAB to talk about traffic and to talk about congruity but we have the opportunity to talk about congruity tonight. So, why have you not -- why did not you go to PZAB first? Why did you not get an archeological study first? MR. WASSERMAN: Sure. So, this was heavily discussed at the last hearing and I will give you the recap. When we started this project many -many months ago that was one of the very first questions we asked and the Planning Director opined that you have to go to the Historic Board first before you go to the Planning Zoning & Appeals Board. Historic preservation was of paramount importance; we need to know where we can build, the size that we can build, what the proposed structures will be and then we can talk about the use. That was the direction from the City to us and we have followed that and we have also made that clear at every step of the way. I have appeared in these chambers. I think it was in May or June at our first presentation Page 146 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 at the Village Council and we advertised to the community, we are going to HEPB with a certain date. It got differed. It got postponed but we have always been traveling under this path of HEPB first, Planning Zoning & Appeals Board second. And I am assuming PZAB would also say the same thing, we do not want to touch this until HEPB touches it. So, it was the directive from the Planning Director from the City to us, this is the appropriate procedure and this is the appropriate method you need to follow. MS. LEWIS: Who else you got to rely on? MR. WASSERMAN: By the Planning Director, correct. I would also add that you asked a fair question about what will prevent us from going to the Planning Zoning & Appeals Board and representing that look, we have the certificate of approval, we have the certificate of appropriateness, HEPB has blessed us. They love the school use. They fully approved everything. It may not mean anything -- I of course would not do that. Our team would of course not do that. I am sure trusted Opposing Counsel would not let us do that, so I hope that gives you some comfort. Based on my representation I am sure I will be corrected if I did say that on the record at PZAB, we will not be doing that. The certificate of appropriateness criteria that Page 147 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 you mentioned, mentions a couple things and it addresses multi -district sites, historic districts and historic sites. So, when you are looking at the criteria you have to ask what is it that we have here and what we have here is a historic site. There are specific historically designated components of this project -- of this property. Not every structure on the property is historic. Villa Woodbine is obviously the main crux of it. That is the meat and potatoes of this designation report, and when we analyzed compatibility, contextual, architectural design, congruity, we are really focusing on its relationship to Villa Woodbine. Now, having said that, that does not mean and Rich could explain this better than I can, that we did not design a building that we felt fit in appropriately as well with the site as a whole. It was not just an isolated design component. You asked about the Certificate to Dig. The Certificate to Dig is a standard condition and almost every relevant application that requires before this Board. It is the common practice that we can get a building permit without going through that exercise, without going through that analysis. We have Bob Carr here tonight. He did a site visit. He is our archeologist and he would be doing it as well when the appropriate time Page 148 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 came. We are not trying to avoid that by any means. We had him inspect and take a look at the bluff. It is important to us. I think our detailed presentation and analysis on the subject confirms our commitment to doing that, but that is how every application that has come before you has gone before and we follow that practice. MR. HOPPER: Any other questions or are you ready for a couple of motions? Mr. Tragash? MR. TRAGASH: So, pursuant to Section 23-6.2 of the City Code of Ordinances, as amended by the applicant to approve a special certificate of appropriateness to allow for the demolition, restoration, alteration, and new construction. MR. HOPPER: Time out. Can we do Number 2 first? MR. TRAGASH: Okay. MR. HOPPER: That was Number 3. MR. TRAGASH: I thought we were doing the -- MR. HOPPER: Okay. MR. TRAGASH: So, pursuant to Section 23-6.2(b)(4) of the City Code of Ordinances as amended, the applicant who is requesting us a -- to make a motion, to approve a Special Certificate of Appropriateness to allow for the alterations and new construction on this parcel. The subject property is a contributing site Page 149 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 actually, think I have the wrong one here. So, to continue this, the motion for an approval with the following conditions for Special Certificate of Approval. Number 1, the site should be developed and accordance with the plans as prepared by R.J. Heisenbottle, Architects, consisting of 71 sheets submitted under PZ 19-3159. The plans are deem as being incorporated by reference herein. Number 2, the Applicant shall comply with all applicable requirements of Miami 21 Code, Chapter 17 and Chapter 23 of the City of Miami Code of Ordinances as amended. Number 3, the Applicant shall comply with the requirements of all applicable departments, agencies, as a part of the City of Miami Building Department -- Building Permit submittal process. Number 4, the resolution shall be included in the master -permit set. Number 5, the Applicant shall create a silver bluff educational viewing platform. Number 6, the Applicant shall include a landscape buffer as detailed in the updated plan set. Preservation Officer in conjunction with the Environmental Resource Chief shall be able to approve non -substantial changes to the landscape buffer. Number 7, the Applicant shall provide a tree disposition, super -imposed site plan that depicts the canopy of each specimen -sized tree within 30-feet of Page 150 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 any proposed development to scale. These same canopies must be drawn in a matter that resembles their respective shapes and dimensions to the greatest reasonable extent. Number 8, the Applicant shall avoid all construction activity within the tree -protection zone of any tree that is to remain. This includes the installation of any underground utility, any grey changes in any -- and/or any soil compaction. If the Applicant is to reduce the size of any tree -protection zone, the Applicant is to perform an investigative digging during -- under the supervision of the ISA Certified Arborist. That same arborist is to provide a supplemental report documenting if the reduction in tree -protection zone is reasonable. Number 9, the Applicant shall include plan sheet L-05, the existing tree study as part of the master -permit set. And, Number 10, for any specimen tree that cannot be reasonably preserved in its current location, the Applicant is to asses which of these trees are appropriate -- are an appropriate candidate for relocation. Any good candidate shall be relocated by their onsite or within the City owned property within Commission District 2. This may exclude any tree listed as being in poor condition. MR. HOPPER: Is there a second? Page 151 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. CAMPBELL: Yes. MR. HOPPER: Mr. Campbell has seconded. Any discussion on the motion? MS. LEWIS: Yes. MR. HOPPER: Yes, madam. MS. LEWIS: I would think that the motion should be conditioned on at least two things -- two additional things. Number 1, that a certificate of appropriateness under HEP Item 3 be granted, that this Board would grant a Special Certificate of Appropriateness. And the second condition ought to be that it is put in the record that the Applicant has voluntarily waived any argument of detrimental reliance to be used -- relied before any board that if this resolution passes that we are approving anything with regard to use traffic, driveways, anything. MR. HOPPER: Do you accept those conditions? MR. WASSERMAN: Absolutely. MR. HOPPER: And as the maker of the motion I accept this to -- so, those are conditions 11 and 12. Do you accept Mr. Campbell? MR. CAMPBELL: Yes. MR. HOPPER: Okay. Any other discussion on the motion? We have a roll call, please. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Tragash? Page 152 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. TRAGASH: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Campbell? MR. CAMPBELL: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Cawley? MR. CAWLEY: No. MS. ALVAREZ: Ms. Galvez Turros? MS. TURROS: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Ms. Lewis? MS. LEWIS: No. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Trachtenberg? MR. TRACHTENBERG: No. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Prieto Y Munoz? MR. MUNOZ: No. MS. ALVAREZ: And Dr. Hopper? MR. HOPPER: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Motion fails by four to five - - four to four. MR. HOPPER: We need a majority vote. We are not finished. We are not. Please be seated. We are not finished. MS. KETTERER: So, if I may, this Boards rules and procedures provides that if there is a tie vote, it would be construed as a denial. MR. HOPPER: Right, but we need another motion. Is that correct? Do we need a substitutive motion? Page 153 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. LEWIS: Because if we do nothing it is deemed a denial. MR. HOPPER: Okay. MS. KETTERER: That is right. So, as it stands there is a denial. If the Board wishes to reconsider there could be a motion to reconsider, but as it stands it is going to be deemed as a denial. MR. HOPPER: So, we do not need -- we do not need affirmative motion. No? MS. KETTERER: Correct. MR. HOPPER: Okay. Then we are onto Number 3. MR. TRAGASH: I will make a motion to prove a resolution, Miami Historic Environmental Preservation Board approved this application for Special Certificate of Appropriateness for demolition, restoration, alteration and new construction to the property located approximately 2167 South Bayshore Drive. And subject to the following conditions, the site shall be developed in accordance with the plans prepared by R.J. Heisenbottle, Architects, submitted as part of the application PZ 19-695. These plans are deemed as being incorporated and reference herein. Specifications and manufactures brochures or color photographs of all the proposed new windows and doors shall be submitted to staff for review. All proposed paint color shall be Page 154 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 submitted to staff for review. The labeling of the doors on the east elevation drawing of the new -main building is incorrect and shall be corrected. Number 6, demolition -keynote numbering shall be corrected. Number 7, all interior historic -floor and wall tiles shall be retained where possible including tiles from adjoining rooms when an interior wall is removed. Number 9, Certificate to Dig is required for all ground -disturbing work as the site is located within a high -probability archeological conservation area. The Applicant shall apply for a Certificate to Dig. Number 10, a certificate of approval is required for all work impacting coral -rock walls, trees and natural features, such as the limestone bluff as the site is located within an Environmental Preservation District and a Scenic Transportation Corridor. The Applicant shall apply for Certificate of Approval. Number 11, the Applicant shall apply for all required waivers. 12, the Applicant shall be included in the master -permit set -- the resolution shall be included in the master - permit set. The Applicant shall comply with all applicable requirements of Miami 21 Code and Chapter 17 and Chapter 23 of the City of Miami Code of Ordinances. And, last, the Applicant shall comply with the requirements of all applicable departments, agencies as Page 155 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 part of the City of Miami Building Permit submittal process. MR. HOPPER: Is there a second? MR. CAMPBELL: Yes. MR. ADAMS: Can I just point out that one of the conditions is that they apply for a certificate of approval and that is just being denied? MS. LEWIS: Discussion. MR. HOPPER: Mr. Campbell has seconded. MR. WASSERMAN: Yes. MR. HOPPER: Ms. Lewis has some discussion. MS. LEWIS: I wonder whether you would want to also add two more conditions. One, receipt of a certificate of approval concerning the proposed construction regard -- related to the significant environmental features and a last one, conditioned on the applicants waiver of an argument that it relied on the HEP Board approval that is entitling it to a school use or approving any driveways or points of vehicular ingress and egress. MR. TRAGASH: Yes, I will accept that, but I would like just for the discussion on Mr. Warrens Adams question on how dependent is this motion or the last motion that this was not approved. MR. ADAMS: Okay. And I should also point out Page 156 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 that the certificate of appropriateness only covers the area of the site that is designated. The area of the site with the swimming pool and the auditorium and that is not covered under the certificate of appropriateness. That is covered under the certificate of approval and the certificate to dig. So, this only relates to the idea that this is historically designated. MS. LEWIS: But, Mr. Adams, their plans encompass three point -- encompass 169,000 -- almost 170,000- square feet. So, the plans include the grey map, the historic property plus the vacant lot, so that to me -- and this is the intent of my request for adding two more conditions, they interrelate. So, we can say we approve the -- we can issue a COA for the plans for the historic property but it is got to be condition on if you want to do the Heisenbottle plans which include an auditorium and a pool and a deck, you got to get a certificate of approval with regard to that other -- other part of the property, that is all I mean. MR. ADAMS: Yes, yes. MS. LEWIS: That is all I mean. MR. ADAMS: Yes -- MR. HOPPER: A new one. MS. LEWIS: Right. Page 157 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MR. CAMPBELL: So, let me get this straight. The condition for -- to be able to construct or demolish, restore the Villa was what was just denied or -- MS. LEWIS: No, we have not voted on it. MR. HOPPER: That is this one. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. What Mr. Adam just stated about approving Item Number 3, one of the conditions was the approval of Item Number 2, correct? MR. ADAMS: Yes. MR. CAMPBELL: So, in proceeding with Number 3 and one of the conditions for getting Number 3 was not approved, how do we now proceed with Number 3? And I am confused. MR. HOPPER: I believe they would be -- MR. CAMPBELL: Two applications mean of what, what content? MR. HOPPER: They would need a new application for a certificate of approval. MR. CAMPBELL: By the applicant? MR. HOPPER: Yes. MR. CAMPBELL: To this very same board? MR. HOPPER: Yes. MR. CAMPBELL: Okay. MR. HOPPER: Any other questions or comments? Okay, let us have a roll call. Page 158 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MS. KETTERER: Just to clarify, were those conditions adopted by the mover and the seconder? MR. HOPPER: By the mover, yes. MR. CAMPBELL: Yes. MR. WASSERMAN: Could you for my benefit, I apologize. Could you repeat the extra two conditions? MS. LEWIS: 18 of them? MR. WASSERMAN: No -no, please no. MS. LEWIS: The last two. It is conditioned upon a certificate of approval concerning construction and development within the areas of significant environmental features and it is conditioned upon the applicant waiver of any argument that it relied on the HEP Board approval that is entitling the applicant to a school use or approving of driveways, or points of vehicular ingress or egress. Yes. MR. HOPPER: Yes. Roll call. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Tragash? MR. TRAGASH: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Campbell? MR. CAMPBELL: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Cawley? MR. CAWLEY: No. MS. ALVAREZ: Ms. Galvez Turros? MS. TURROS: Yes. Page 159 info@dlecourtreporters.com (786) 522-0522 City Hall Meeting- 12-3-2019 12/3/2019 MS. ALVAREZ: Ms. Lewis? MS. LEWIS: No. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Prieto Y Munoz? MR. MUNOZ: No. MS. ALVAREZ: Mr. Trachtenberg? MR. TRACHTENBERG: Yes. MS. ALVAREZ: Dr. Hopper? MR. HOPPER: No. MS. ALVAREZ: Motion fails by a vote of four to four. Again, according to the rules and procedures of this Board, a tie vote does -- is deemed a denial. MR. HOPPER: Thank you all ladies and gentleman. You have something to say about appeals. Appeals, this decision is -- MS. KETTERER: This decision is a final decision. Any appeals need to be filed with the Division of Hearing Boards within 15 days of the decision being rendered. MR. HOPPER: So, you all make that. So, thank you all for staying so long. We now have -- we are now moving on to Item Number 5. As you exit please bear please bear with -- bear in mind that we are still working. -- bear in mind -- that we are still working. (HEARING CONCLUDED AT 08:08 P.M.) 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