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March 9, 1979
JOINT COUNTY/CITY MEETING
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JOINT COUNTY -CITY MEETING DOWNTOWN PEOPLE MOVER
The Board of County Commissioners met in Special Session
jointly with the City of Miami Commission at Bayfront Park Auditor-
ium, March 9, 1979 at 9:30 A.M., there being present, Commissioner
Harvey Ruvin (Presiding); Commissioners Neal F. Adams, Clara
Oesterle, William G. Oliver, Beverly B. Phillips, James F. Redford,
Jr., Barry D. Schreiber, and Ruth Shack, (Mayor Stephen P. Clark
was absent on official County business); Deputy Clerks L. V.
Bongiovi and Raymond Reed; Robert A. Cuevas, Assistant County Attor-
ney; County Manager Merrett Stierheim; and John Dyer, Transportation
Coordinator.
Also present, from the City of Miami Commission, were
Mayor Maurice Ferre; Commissioners Ruth Gordon, E. J. Plummer, and
Reverend Theodore Gibson.
Commissioner Ruvin announced that Mayor Clark was out of town on
official County business and has asked him to Chair the meeting;
however, at this time, he stated he would like to turn over the
public hearing portion of the meeting to Mayor Ferre from the City
of Miami.
Mayor Ferre stated he would like to pay a very special tribute to
Commissioner Oliver, Chairman of the Downtown People Mover Policy
Committee and Ms. Barbara Levenson, who was Co -Chairperson of the
Committee; he also thanked others who served on this Committee,
members of both Staffs, etc. He then called upon Dr. John Dyer,
Transportation Coordinator, for a background of the project.
Dr. Dyer appeared and presented a background on the fruition of
the project from its inception to the present time and following
this, submitted the following recommendations:
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911 COURTHOUSE OFFICE OF COUNTY MANAGER
MIAMI, FLORIDA 33130
TEL: 579-S311 SUMMARY EVALUATION
FULL SYSTEM ALIGNMENT RECOMMENDATIONS
MIAMI DOWNTOWN PEOPLE MOVER PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING
METROPOLITAN DADE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
March 7, 1979
Recommendation
The Downtown People Mover (DPM) Project Staff of the Office of Transportation
Administration (OTA) has participated in all aspects of the DPM Preliminary
Engineering Program to date. They have considered in joint meetings with
technical staff from the City of Miami, the Downtown Development Authority
and the State of Florida all of the recommendations of the General Engineer—
ing Consultants (GEC) for the People Mover Project. The development of
alignment recommendations has also been thoroughly reviewed and discussed
with the DPM Policy Committee established by the Board of County Commissioners.
Based upon these reviews and upon the final recommendations offered by the
DPM Policy Committee and by the GEC.. the Office of Transportation Adminis-
tration recommends the following:
1. The North Leg
The alignment recommendations of the Policy Committee and the GEC for a DPM
leg extending north from N.E. Fifth Street along N.E. Second Avenue to 1-395,
running eastward along I-395 to N.E. Bayshore Court, turning north along N.E.
Bayshore Court to N.E. Fifteenth Street and turning vest along N.E. Fifteenth
Street to approximately N.E. Second Avenue should be adopted.
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2. The Downtown Loop
The alignment recommendations of the Policy Committee and GEC for a two-way
loop through the downtown area should be adopted. This loop runs in an
east -west alignment along northeast and northwest Fifth Street between the
FEC Railroad Right -of -Way and N.E. Second Avenue. At N.E. Second Avenue it
would turn southward running parallel to an off-street alignment approximately
250 feet east of N.E. Second Avenue. This section requires that private property
be acquired for a new right-of-way. At N.E. First Street the people mover route
turns eastward to Biscayne Boulevard. At Biscayne Boulevard the route turns
southward to S.E. Third Street. The alignment runs westward along S.E. Third
Street over the I-95 exit ramps which terminate at S.E. Third Street and S.E.
Second Avenue. At S.E. First Avenue the two-way alignment separates. One
branch of the route turns north on S.E. First Avenue to S.E. First Street and
proceeds west along S.E. First Street to the FEC Railroad Right -of -Way. The
other branch continues westward along the I-95 exit ramps to the FEC Right -of -
Way where it turns north and reconnects with the first branch. The alignment
continues as a two-way route north along the FEC Right -of -Way to a point where
it meets the northern portion of the downtown loop.
3. The South Leg
The alignment recommendations of the Policy Committee and GEC for a southern
leg of the people mover should be adopted for that portion of the recommended
route between the downtown loop and the Brickell Rapid Transit Station. In
this area the recommended alignment runs from the loop southward across the
Miami River approximately 500 feet west of S.E. Second Avenue. Once on the
southern side of the river, the alignment continues southward along S.E. First
Avenue (Brickell Place) to S.E. Tenth Street where it turns west to the FEC
Right -of -Way and south to the Brickell Rapid Transit Station.
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Proceeding south from the Brickell Rapid Transit Station the alignment
should turn east along S.E. Thirteenth Street and terminate in the vicinity
of Brickell Avenue and S.E. Thirteenth Street. This is the recommendation
of the GEC and OTA believes this is the proper termination of the south leg.
The Policy Committee adopted a modification for the alignment in this area,
recommending continuation due south from the Brickell Rapid Transit Station
to S.W. Fifteenth Road. For reasons stated later in this evaluation, the OTA
believes that the Policy Committee's Modification should not be adopted.
Background
The Downtown People Mover Preliminary Engineering Program was initiated in
November 1978. The consultants selected by Dade County for this work are
led by Gannett Fleming/SKBB, a Joint Venture of Gannett Fleming Corddry and
Carpenter, Inc. of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and SKBB, Inc. of Coral Gables.
The General Engineering Consultant's Contract calls for them to make recom-
mendations on a full length DPM system and a staged development plan for the
DPM. Bid documents for the first stage will then be developed as well as
numerous other data necessary for implementing the project. Al this time,
the GEC has submitted the first set of formal recommendations, alignments
for the full DPM system.
In January, 1979, County Commission Resolution No. R-27-79 established the
Downtown People Mover Policy Committee to participate in the development of
plans for the DPM system. The Policy Committee consists of representatives
from the City of Miami Commission, the Board of County Commissioners, the
Downtown Development Authority, the appropriate Chambers of Commerce, repre-
sentatives from citizen's groups having an interest in the downtown area,
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and representatives of several of the major businesses and developers who are
participating in downtown revitalisation. The Committee has met four times
since mid -January and has been provided with extensive materials related to
alignment considerations.
In their most recent meeting on March 3, 1979, the Policy Committee unanimously
passed the attached resolution recommending the full system alignment for the
Downtown People Mover System. This recommendation differed from the alignments
adopted by the City end County Commissions in 1976 and from the GEC's original
recommendations. Both OTA and the GEC agree, however, that with one minor
exception, the recommendations of the Policy Committee are appropriate and,
in consideration of their action, the Consultant's final position has been
modified.
Two main areas of concern were extensively debated in arriving at the DPM Policy
Committee consensus on DPM alignment. In the last meeting of the Policy Committee,
the Consultant placed these two issues before the group stating that their reso-
lution should be a matter of policy rather than one of technical consideration.
From a technical analysis, in each case either one of two alignment solutions
would provide an acceptable routing.
The first issue area was the north/south DPM alignment between N.E. Fifth Street
and I-395. In this area the Consultant presented one alternative routed along
N.E. Second Avenue and another routed along Biscayne Boulevard.
Factors favoring the Biscayne Boulevard alignment were:
o The provision of a pleasant view of the DPM rider.
o A lower capital cost than the alternative.
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o Service to Bayfront property currently being acquired by the City.
o No land acquisition required.
Factor,_ favoring the N.E. Second Avenue alignment were:
o No adverse aesthetic impact on Biscayne Boulevard.
o Greater influence on areas likely to be redeveloped in the
future.
o Higher anticipated ridership than the alternative.
o Better service to a proposed New Town in Town.
After consideration and debate upon these factors, the Policy Committee voted
to recommend the N.E. Second Avenue alignment to the Commission. Both the
Consultant and the County staff concur in this recommendation.
The second major issue area was the DPM alignment south of the Miami River
between S.E. Sixth Street and S.E. Tenth Street. In this area the Consultant
presented one alternative routed along S.E. First Avenue (Brickell Plaza) and
another alternative which ran eastward on S.E. Seventh Street, turned south to
run along Brickell Avenue and turned west to run along S.E. Tenth Street. The
north/south section along Brickell Avenue was placed on private property approx—
imately 30 feet east of the avenue in order to provide a visual screen of the
system from the street.
Factors favoring the S.E. First Avenue alignment were:
o A lower capital cost than the alternative.
o A reduced amount of acquisition of private property.
o No visual impact whatsoever along Brickell Avenue.
o Greater influence on redevelopment of land west of Brickell Avenue.
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Factors favoring the BrickellAvenue Alignment were:
o Higher anticipated ridership than the alternative.
o Service to developed areas east of Brickell Avenue.
o Good access to major parking facilities.
After consideration and debate upon these factors, the Policy Committee
voted to recommend the S.E. First Avenue alignment. Both the Consultant
and the County staff concur in this recommendation.
Both OTA and the GEC recommend proceeding south from the Brickell Rapid
Transit Station along S.W. First Avenue to S.W. Thirteenth Street and pro-
ceeding along S.W. and S.E. Thirteenth Street to a terminus at approximately
S.E. Thirteenth Street and Brickell Avenue. The DPM Policy Committee recommends
proceeding south from the Brickell Rapid Transit Station along S.W. First Avenue
to a terminus at S.W. Fifteenth Road. It was the DPM Policy Committee's deter-
mination that this would provide better service to the activity areas towards
the south.
OTA recommends that the alignment following S.E. Thirteenth Street be adopted
as recommended by the consultants for the following reasons:
(1) The southern terminus of the route as recommended by the Policy Committee
would be immediately north of Simpson Park. This passive park would encompass
a substantial portion of the S.W. Fifteenth Road station service area and provide
very few riders for the DPM.
(2) Land use differs substantially in the remaining service area of a S.W.
Fifteenth Road station from the land use which would surround a S.E. Thirteenth
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Street Station. If an ultimate aim is to serve high rise residential
areas, the line will have to return to Brickell Avenue for further southward
extensions. S.E. Thirteenth Street is more appropriate for such a return
than is S.W. Fifteenth Road.
(3) Distance and topography considerations make it uncertain that a S.W.
Fifteenth Road station would be utilized at all by persons east of Brickell
Avenue in that location.
Conclusion:
In consideration of the material presented at this time, OTA believes that
the recommendations presented herein result in the best possible conclusions
to full system alignment studies. The Consultants should now be instructed
to direct their considerations to questions of system staging, capital cost,
and detailing of the final alignment and station locations. A tentatively
scheduled May 25, 1979 Public Hearing is proposed to consider the results
of their analyses in these areas.
ohn . Dye
Transportat on Coordinator
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Dade County, Florida March 9, 1979
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Commissioner Oliver read into the record a resolution by the DPM
Policy Committee, and then asked Staff to outline the alignment
recommendation of the DPM Committee.
Mr. Simon Zweighaft, Project Manager for the DPM Project, appeared
and following a few preliminary remarks, proceeded to point out on
a large map, the recommended route.
Mr. Jack Luft, City of Miami Staff, appeared and voiced full sup-
port of the County position, the Consultant position, and agreed
completely with the observations of Mr. Zweighaft, regarding the
13th Street Station.
Mr. Roy Kinsey, Executive Director, Downtown Development Authority,
appeared in approval of the recommended 2nd Avenue route; also, he
advised that the Downtown Business Association, of which he is a
Board member, voted to aupport the recommendation as set forth by
the Committee.
Mr. Mitchell Wolfson, Chairman, Offstreet Parking Authority,
stated he was concerned about the original proposal of going up
Biscayne Boulevard and would not. like to see an "EL" type construc-
tion on the Boulevard.
Mr. Joel Jaffer, representing Bayshore Alert, appeared and stated
that his organization amplified the statements concerning Biscayne
Boulevard and Brickell, they do not want to see a lot of develop-
ment along the Bayshore.
Mr. Charles Sieger, American Institute of Architects, South Florida
Chapter, appeared and objected to the North East - South East 2nd
Avenue Proposal.
A question and answer period followed his presentation.
Ms. Judith Seidner, representing the League of Women Voters of
Dade County, appeared and read the following prepared statement
into the Record:
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STATEMENT BEFORE THE DADE COUNTY CO MISSION AND THE CITY
OF MIAMI COMMISSION REGARDING
THE ROUTE OF THE DOWNTOWN PEOPLE MOVER
MARCH 9. 1979
The League of Women Voters of Metropolitan Dade County favors adoption
of the Downtown People Mover route alignment recommended by the Downtown
People Mover Policy Committee.
Although we do not feel that the people mover would detract from Biscayne
Boulevard, we think that the proposed N.E. 2nd Avenue route is preferable
for the following reasons:
1. It would stimulate development in that area of downtown Miami. en-
couraging the investment of private money in revitalizing the down-
town core.
2. It would bring people within close walking distance of even more
businesses than would the Biscayne Boulevard route, which should
be a primary concern in the design of a Downtown People Mover.
3. It would better serve the planned residential development of the
New -Town -in -Town, and would perhaps provide an impetus for the comple-
tion of this project, since the residents could be assured of having
their transportation needs so well taken care of.
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The placement of the south leg of the Downtown People Mover along Brickell
Place is also preferable, we think, to having it run along Brickell Avenue.
The reason for this, again, is that the Downtown People Mover could be instru-
mental in stimulating development and innovative land use in the area just west
of the Brickell business and condominium section.
We are additionally in favor of extending the south leg as far as S.W.
15th Road, given sufficient funding, since Brickell Avenue has developed into
a major business area and, as such, needs to be linked with the rest of the
downtown business district.
In summary, the League is excited about the prospect that the Downtown
People Mover may be a tool in the near future to be used to stimulate the
investment of private money in downtown Miami, to encourage the use of down-
town Miami on a 24-hour basis, and to provide incentive for great numbers of
our residents to leave their cars at home and avail themselves of our mass
transit system.
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Ms. Helen Roback, residing at North East 2nd Avenue and 5th Street,
stated that if there is an attempt to take any land from that area,
it will create a great problem, because this is the truck route to
the Seaport.
Dr. Dyer clarified that it would require taking part of the parking
lane only, no driving lane, and there would be columns in the park-
ing land and it would not destroy all parking.
Ms. Merle Frank, also of the League of Women Voters, appeared and
asked about a maintenance and storage yard for DPM cars whereupon
Dr. Dyer stated that the intent is to accomplish this under the
Expressway ramps.
Mr. Wolfson reappeared as a private citizen and stated that some-
one should fully inform the public with regard to actual widths in-
volved in the proposed street and avenue alignments, particularly
with regard to 2nd Avenue, and comparison of South East and North
East 1st Streets.
Mayor Ferre asked this information of Dr. Dyer and he stated that
with regard to 2nd Avenue, North of 5th Street is 70 feet and South
of 5th Street is 55 feet.
Mr. Thomas Kimen, President of Brickell Area Association, stated
that they are unanimously in favor of the people who are coming
into the Brickell Area and unanimously in favor of the alignment
which goes down to Brickell Plaza.
Mr. Russ Jones, Parkview Hotel, 259 NE 4th Street, appeared and
stated that the proposed right of way would bring the structure
50 ft. closer to the hotel and Dr. Dyer agreed this would be so,
but actually it would not interfere in any way with the hotel struc-
ture; further, it will not be a monstrosity, the cars will be
rubber -wheeled and the noise factor will be less than that of the
current street noise.
Mr. Jim Henley, Realtor, appeared in favor of the 2nd Avenue route
where the system could go both East and West and stated that it
would be well to insure that there will be escalators so that the
system can be used by senior citizens and handicapped.
There being no further persons to appear, the public hearing was
closed.
There followed a series of comments by both County and City Commis-
sioners after which Mayor Ferre, at the request of Commissioner
Ruvin, officially convened the City of Miami Commission for the
purpose of taking action on the proposed alignment.
Commissioner Plummer made a motion on behalf of the City of Miami
that Staff's recommendation be accepted. This motion was seconded
by Commissioner Gordon, and upon being put to a vote, passed by a
vote of 4-0.
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Commissioner Ruvin then officially convened the County Commission
for the same purpose.
Commissioner Oliver prf;Pented a resolution to he entitled:
RESOLUTION APPROVING THE MIAMI DOWNTOWN
PEOPLE MOVER FULL SYSTEM ALIGNMENT
,:,nd moved its adoption. This motion was seconded by Commissioner
Oesterle, and upon being put to a vote, passed by the following
vote:
Commissioner
Commissioner
Commissioner
Commissioner
Adams Aye
Oesterle Aye
Oliver Aye
Phillips Aye
Commissioner
Commissioner
Commissioner
Commissioner
Mayor Clark
Redford Aye
Ruvin Aye
Schreiber Aye
Shack Nay
Absent
The foregoing resolution was adopted by the Board and is set forth
in the Record of Resolutions and assigned #R-319A-79.
There being no further business to come before them, upon motion,
duly made, seconded, and carried, the meeting was adjourned.
PRESIDING CHAIRMAN
ATTEST: RICHARD P. BRINKER, Clerk
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Deputy Clerk
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CO r,IISSIO:I:.;R ??UVIN : '' am roinp to
call the meetinr to order at this time. Today is
a rather historical event. It is to my rind the most
significant time that ,joint commissions, the City of
Miami ;an,.. that of the ;•ietro,]olitan lade County, sit
and hol'f! a mutual public 'hearinr and hopefully will
teke action and move ahead, indicatln- that both
fay i?` hrive been carefully studyinrr and planninr and
now ge •ire at the implementation stare here at this
I think that is a sin of a community kind
and the kind of mutual effort roinr on
co•+: ir; L,ade Court :r.
ryor Clark is out of town with retard to
t.; :7uper meeting here in Dade County and he
tc, convent' the meetin ^ today. llogever, I
..:1.: lie to turn the pu')lic hearing over to the
o the City/ of "iami, Maurice "erre, who played
rea.t. :,art in all that has taken nla.ce before this
rtr with re'Tari to this :)ro,jer!t. layor Terre, I
:.;:'_' at; this time to turn it over to you and
to call upon t,i various -persons to make
-)rc .,ent at 1.0-! and to con iuct the 17:ui>1ic hearin^
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CAROLYN V. BOSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
At the end of this hearinrr, I would appreciate it
if you wou1d hold a vote for the rite of 7'7iami and if
_T may at that point, conduct a roll call for the
Dade County Commission.
NAYOR .:] F : On behalf of the City,
I ou1c like to welcome all of you here and to thank
you for io'iri.nus here at t.-le meeti.h . this nornin;7.
First of nil, T wo,tic; like ,:e to annc unce that commission
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a-Ir; a11 ti.e staff who brout a r-reat- deal of
:ir'nrr ?'" ior' and ana ered questions. This helped u3
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program or the DPM Project.
MR. DY R: Thank you, :Ir. Mayor and
members of the City Commission and the Dade County
Commission. T would like to spend about three
minutes talkin- about the hacK round of this project
and r rin7 you to the noint where we are *.odav and we
can proceed with the ;)P"'. Policy Conrrittee recommen-
dations.
As you recall in -'.ay or 197', after a
const1er ble amount of discussion between the city
officials and the county officials and the technical
st!; tat had been done by a consultant and that in
t;:ie_ city and county, jointly electe'1 to
%roceeJ wIth :,ubmitirm the project and at which time,
it h,FA { :c>t been announced nationally that an alleged
comi:;e ion ; rojectof two hundred million dollars
w. it stablished as a basis for the national
corPetitlon.
9etwe,n :'ray and June of 1976, the forty-four
days in which the city, the counter, and the public
officials, the private sector and 1prc-e numbers
, oirt 1 v worked ni'ht and day with a series of public
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hearinr*.s in order to define and finally ret for ether
a project proposal of a 3.7 mile system that would
have a double loop in the downtown area and a Ier
north to the vicinity of the OI<I structure, then just
in its final stare. We showed a ler, south into the
3ricks 1 area. It had two unique futures. It had
a rlirec'; {.nnrr£3ce connctinn, two ,"Fain line rapid
stations to act as and to serve as feeder distributo
' ri^.ari i:' as a distributor of the rail system and
riders.
think every Urban r s Transportation
a,f.ministrator between June ann December reviewed some
,,ronosals, city by city throur-ho::t the
:•nit e;
t decision was , ar'? which 'gac7 narrowed
it o ;r, *,o "'our and the announced four n.a{or decisions
were ':l:r :_ e1 nn Los Anr-eles , Saint Paul, * ouston,
arv1 C eve lane' . And In a separate cateory, I'iami and
Detroit.
The Detroit -Dade County decision was that
t'ie re'luirement--the funds for the Downtown People
Mover have to be taken from the PR to Transit dollars,
in the 3 case, "'i'.'?i, by .T ir1' Y;7 of 197n, five hundred
zE>., ent,,_five million loll'ror, the PDP
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dollars, perhaps would be taken between 1977 and 197P.
It was possible to define a rapid transit
line and the rpm system to the point that some twenty-
four million dollars was alleq:ed t':e first da7s or
the DP , seven hundred ninety-five million dollars
total for the twenty coint five mile rapid transit
line.
In 71av of 127r , the Urban ":ass Transportatio
Administration proceeded with a preliminary en ineerin
i rant to %ale County to merit us "roceed! Z^ rith the
pr eiin nary ens:ineerin7 on the : r,: system.
The important point is the major base
iecisicn: into the Urban Mass Transportation
AThi.nistration it was started anu in process
noN i.n,ol ;'r: «-y i ''`ay and October, it was necessary,
of ccu:' .,: , to follow throurh on the ne7otiation in
crier t o -et on boar''.a consultin7 firr, or firms to
!Q the rrclimri'.ry en :.neerino: work.
As a result of the type of ne^otiation, the
fire. cf Gannett :'leminr Corddry and Carpenter, Inc.,
and local architectural firm in Coral Gables, was
selected in "+Ovember of 197`) and they were in a
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position to becrin the formal preliminary enrineerinr
work and to becrin early in December. The City of
Mtnri an:l DDA both are in contractual relationship
with D County to do ,1 elements of the overall
nrelir.ieary ere ineerin;" prorran.
The major preliminary nror'rar^ is defined
as f"i11 eysteei. That is what we are here at the
nublic • ea.r1 nor. about today. The tall: immediately afte
that is to eterine the first stare of the F istem which
would be to prepare a detailed cost estimate, the one
who will actually do the preliminary eneinecrir r .
In addition to the last tine that comes out
of the preli^ inary enei-ieerinr are a set of
perfore nce seecifications, cost of bids to major
rianuf=+.rt:lrers. and the vehicle system in order that
they co++.lc' then be; -in the final design and implemen-
tation of the DP. The amount of environmental
imnect ',13 to he completed before any determination
specification or any type or federal dollars can be
Made for the purpose of construction.
7 na11.y , "1• would like to conclude by saying
that between January of 1979, the first few days of
January and today, the DI':' Policy Committee of which
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a number of you are members -and there has certainly
been a lot of leadership as well as private sectors
who met at leant once a month or sometimes twice
a monty' or more than that in order to screen down
from some initial thirteen alternative systems to
define. -the best of the alternatives.
You have before you today one of the
recommendations, the recommendation from the DP'".
Polir�y Committee. There is a small difference between
the c7ta f recommendations and the DP!1 Policy Committee
reco-•,Ti7dation. We can t7,o into this dur, nr, the
--'s' ntaticn and we can also 7,o into specific
alirTnent- of both and the differences. !!?ith that,
r.. a or, I will conclude and we can nrocePd to the
next itc•ri.
MAYOR FERF;F: Who represents the
Policy Committee recommendations--
"'F. ':'Y.R: Commissioner Oliver will do
actuall presentation. He chaired the DPt1 Policy
Committee and Simon 7weichaft, project manar,er.
CO^f"TS,,IO'; '
',7e have a
resolution passel by the DP" Policy Committee which T
will rea0 and I will ask the staff to ^o to the
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ali8nment and recommendations of the committee.
"w1HI' BRAS, the Downtown People Mover. Policy
Committee was convened to provide public comment and
recommendations to the definition of a full system
alir*nment for the Downtown People Mover Pro,iect ; and,
w H3REAS, the Downtown People 'over Policy
Committee has met four tires ''or the purpose of
reviewin r and .recor!nen'3inE- a full system a1irrnnent
for tie Downtown People ::over Project;
:70W, THER ;FOMF, 3E IT Rr: OLV D that the
Downtown People 'lover Policy Committee finds:
The Downtown People Mover Route as depicted
on the attached man be adopted.
The forerro1rv' resolution Was offered by Mayo
7aur1ce ;'erre, who moved its adoption. The motion was
seco el by Committee Member Kim flalli3, and was
passed unanimously by voice vote. Adopted March 3,
1g79.
7.WFIG?;AFT: I am Simon 7wei ;haft ,
project nanaP2er of the Downtown People ''over project.
I am a Dade County staff employee. I went over the
route , essentially the same recommendations of the
Policy committee an-1 the count', staff. At the and,
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I will explain a slirht codification which the staff
and consultants recor.mended neinr• rade to the policy
committee. The alignment starts at the north end with
a station hep lnnint- in the vicinity of Northeast 15th
Street and :lort,heast ?nd Avenue and proceeds eastward
alone
rt.heast 15th ',treet to a direction directly
south or the '7t".''T at rouTh1v Northeast 'l?vshore Court.
Proceeciinvr south frovi the Or.NI station, we
travel n1on' 'Iortheast 3ayshore Court to a point
where we cross the I-35 expressway, crossing the
expressway at a ratner opportune point where it is
coming T'.!n from `iavinr crossed Biscayne ^oulevard
and Northeast ?nd Ave -nine.
ie hnvc a station south of the I-3Q5
expressway to as far as the ' icentenni al Par'; space
immer'iatoly east of r:tsca;;ne =,oii1evard. Prom that
point, the alirrnment continues a lnnr the expressway
to a .point •" .i.: intersects Northeast 2nd Avenue and
turns ,ot;`•h and Foes down Northeast 21-vl Avenue.
There is a station he;-innin"; in the vicinity
of ".ortheast 3th or 2th treet. ',v'e are trying• to
set a specific station location and continue south,
enter at Northeast 2n'd Avenue •anc Northeast 5th Street..
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That is the northern end of the loop. Both the DP!4
Policy Committee and the consultants and staff
recommend a line north alone ' Iortheast 2nd Avenue and
Northeast 5t`i Street. 'lortheast 5th "t reet and
Northeast "'n-' Avenue, alone 5th :If,reet----a station
approximately in the vicinity of 'lortheast 1st Avenue
and 'crtheas t ` t'i, `street . It will ts:: parallel to
undernent', the main line, the rapid transit system --
the south station at the Government Center, a joint
station within coordination with the rapid transit
project.
rrom the Government Center, a line continues
south and we 321it . We have been on two track r uicie-
wa;'s all the ,w::ty from the north and to this point
(In-licatii~) anr'. now the r-uideway splits. One r'uide-
wav rums eastbound ± on Y southwest 1st Stree4-; and
the other guideway continues aion" the rapid transit
line for a short distance and then turns eastbound
runnier o`-'rthe exit ramp.
Goin;Y hack to the northern one of the two
that separated a.long-, :ortheast 1st street, the station
ir.r-.e(liatel'i behind 3urdirle's, rouc:hly southeast and
vest 1st Streets of ''iani Avenue.
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The Southeast 1st Street ling, turns south
along; Southeast 1st Avenue and then due east into a
,joint station which will serve the World Trade Center
project •iir the Convention Center, currently under
construction. The other sine:1e line travels ?-q5
anl the e pre^•,lway ramp and the station approximately
3t •"ia:;t ^venue reloins the other line at the Civic
1. 31�ter .
fl-e Convention Center. the World Trade Center
station, the line continues eastward from that point
alorT foutheast ?rd Avenue to a station at roughly
the '.ntorsection of Southeast are" Avenue an;3.
t;iscay ne T oulevard. That is the main purpose of the
scat' cn , to provide people mover service at all points
at-11 the 11.1Pont Plaza area.
At that ;pint , the line turns northward
and runs aloni• i.scayne 3oulevard to the station
anproxiately at the intersection of 13iscayne
71ouievar:'. any: 'Iorthea st 1st Street. The line turns
west at 'Iortheast 1st Street and runs apl;roximateiv
one block to a point about 200 feet east of the
intersection of 14ortheast 1st Street and Second Avenue.
At that ' oint , the line runs on a private
riTht of way glue north to rejoin the east -west ht of
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the loop at lorthenst 5th Street. There is one statio
in that section and I will try and put that station
as close to the :Tortheset 1st trt as eossible.
n the south lee, stertine at the Convention
Center tion, the line shown here at a loop
('.'.tie) .ehich en47:s at the Convention Center
station. One lee or the Toop runs directly over the
one helow the eection of the Convention Center. The
other lee ef the 10 le lunt west ef the Convention
Center end the--crose the river and 1)roceed southward
eloee. t'leeretleelle, the extension of Tric'eell Place
or r'eeteeet It Pvenne for a neriod or length of
atout tle'ee h'Iocke there rennine on private property
wee14. heve to te acquired for the project. Ther
le e !,tetiein eeeroxieetely loeated at the intersection
of Thetleeet (;th Street.
Continuine south, you enter rieht Rt
e,etheaet let evenee, 'ericell Place ari4 there is
a etetioe ieeie,liately north of 71outheaet 7th Street
i:i contlns on 7outheast 1st Avenue to llth Street.
"There is n station rouehly at the intersection of
rkeeteeeet 1st Avenue and Southeast 10th Street.
7.7hr? line turns lue west to the intersectio.
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with the 'lricksll rapid transit station at the
section line. The DP!4 Policy Committee, the
consultants, staff and I believe the city staff all
have endorsed that much of the line. From this point
south is where the minor difference is.
'From the 7irickeil station, the DP'": Policy
Committee has recommenled a Line dun south aloe^
Couthwest 1st Avenue to a point of its intersection of
Southwest 1st Avenue and Southwest 15th Road.
The county staff and consultants have
recommended instead of turnip. at the intersection
of Southwest 1st Avenue and Southwest 1?th Street,
crosier: "iami and terminatin a station. The DPM
Policy Committee recommends to procee.3 due south aloe^
Southwest, 1st Avenue because of their -oat to brim~; the
people : over ae far south as possible to serve the
conr:oiniui.n the area along; the lower portion of
'rtcke11 Avenue. However, if IM is not shown on the
riao :.ere is the fact that Simpson Park is a rather
larcre and very passive park at the intersection of
Southwest. 1st Avenue and `'out ,west 15th road.
After the :>P 1 Policy Committee made their
recommendations, the staff took a .,,00d look at this
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Simpson Park and the implications of the DP?'
adjacent to the Simpson Park, the land use and
distance of the station in that vicinity, 9rickell
Avenue and based can our aloy ,'+ feel it would be
better to come across then, if you want to and turn
south at some 7)oi nt in the future.
Our reasons are :shown in the county paper
which is in front of :rou on Pace 5. There basically
is the fact that *.he rirrnson Park area is so 1arre that
it woul,:detract from the service area of the station
in th71.,vi^.inity.
TWO blocks east of the PrS cte11
,,.,null be a 10t more ridership. The
ti' i r 'a r- son with the int rsentj nn of Southwest 1st
..Tltan/ze rJr1,1 Thuth"r: st 15th Road, you have to drop off
between ; . 1 I,n+ Avenue and '3rickei1.
"';;e area that I am concerned with is the
distance, thoples' willin mess to walk up a rather
::.ubstantLial hill. ';'or this reason, that is the staffs'
r!,co enr:%t ion.
4F. DYER: Mr. [Iayor, the City of
7iami's staff have presented a series of comments and
recommendations from the city.
?;dr?IGAPT: ^'r. Mayor, I only wish
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to reinforce the fact that the City's staff is in
full support of the county's position and the
consu? grits position ane a.^'rees corplete1y with the
observsticrls of 14'r.'annett on the 1?th Street station.
.'AYMP, I'I"TffE : Any further comments
from staff?
C01"i I.'. +Ic'.,I :i :'..CPYITPr
I woul,' like
a bit rkore of the ;picture of 1?th Street station as
opl:osec': to loin,, more south. Could you elaborate on
:i.t?
't?:;IGHAFT: Simpson Park, which
^C t ?eor1e ray not be familiar with i t , is a large
par i: which, 1 rues , is about fifteen acres or
that--e1;7ht acres which has been
nreSe rY!2 In its nat ral '',' iij_t :i`. stat.The nark was
r,to be a very nassiv= ore.,erved sort
are.., 'rein: quite beautiful, if you get a
c.A _„ . o walk n and sae it, it takes up a 13r;';e
7:irtion of the area which is off this map. It is
enera11:, 1ikt: this (Ind' cat1nc:) and we are here
conc me:' abot t two t in 3. First of `:t11, t?';e people
r'ovsr stG'. is - hi activatz, sort of a thin^•. We
have anywhere between four any ten th'.ousarid people a
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day boa.rdincr and exitnv;. All activity would be in that
passive park area and I am also concerned with the
fact that a narkinv* area such as this is not likely
to provide very much ridership.
We have a Service area in a station —we can
see these mars and show alternative lines that show a
E., 2 foot service area. :ri.eh t)PM :station on the
alternative routes, i'' we hat to G-o `or service for
thc• : tat a ctin that is ".oua'.west 1 jth .,.oars, about half
c,r, , ervtce area of the station is taken up
arrl tl-: it tcin'' of parki?1r;, we wouldn't ex`- ct to net
r� :a .rsh ps
CO T,IIarIC'TFF gC•trr. Tsar. p : As far as the
ri :ern?•.1icoin^ east to 3rlckell anf' 15th, we would
r:'. t *.:. rrk+., - .,en7,1e c1uri.n' the clay?
? l r"APT : ';rtckell and 13th
7!7-1^.D!1 to*.h or the structures coins' un nricicell
an a also you have a ;pretty good proximity to
t'i : conominiu7ts down in that 7eneral area.
,Aver, ^Rrr : Are there an further
u,?.sti:is from nemhers of the board? At this time,
)o'.a'1 t o n
evel o .rent Authority wrintl t cN. '^=lire 1. statement.
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T),. 1=717: P.oy Ken7ic, executive
director of the Downtown Development AuthorIty, City
of 7iami. The Downtown Develonment tuthoritv's staff
ha3 been workinfl closely with 7.e county and city
staff on various alirnment3.
4e 'IRVP recommended the alirnment off
"iscayne Roulevard on 2n1 Avenue and also oinFt.
further 3outh, the a1i'r 4h1 cbis off
on .'iriokell Place.
4,1 have worked and reviewed this
'71 very strongly that it is the best recommended
,1117h77-nt 71 we would like to read that into the
As n board r'ember of the Downtown iami
'1usine33 Association, T would like to also brin to
your =ittolon te `Thct that this ":)oard of downtown
One hundred ten merchants in the
'..1,owrtn votln- to sunnort and enlors,e tnn
all—Thnt which comes forth from thp
TbanK
7'firkvc.,P 1717PrTh Colonel ,.iitchell 'Wolfson.
COLO= ','OL01: I am Colonel
Wolfson. 1 helonr to many activities. 1ty Commission
•7.',etro commissioners, T esent the nffstreet
ers
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Farkin Authority. .0e. ar., concerned about the
oriP:inal proposal of Fnin;! up r.!ncsvne r)oulevard, for
a nuilLor of reaso743.
.Dr course, 4e feel that
thi3 situr,tton !.trt l!ote(.4. on t)y the ng'onle and it
wail bellevel by the citi7ens of th,. commlnit.
particlany the 0.owntown are, thPt it wou1A. be
a errl we .4ith the conntruction of
tt to '!(:.) r?r; much as no3s4ble
to 3erv,) 7':cople thclr buslness neg.Jdn, with
7rofe331oNal needs, and in the areas where it
the r.r,st r-oo2. for 1-,nople who want to
the ;ovr for thcir 1.,uninens and
tonril nhea.
T'hei-ef, we are very concerned in the
Ir;stanct: th13 'r•)in;'. up 7,I3cayne
far rn,.! mont of tl-,c huninenn
Tha antrance3 te comnletely
to the went rather than to the east.
'rorw:lat TThve her here today, rot of
the n1Pn no-q iao io the nenple mover from
:ifscayno 7oulevard to 7orthea9t 2nd Avenue. 'row,
nrivste citizens
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are concerned about it not ,-oinfr all the way up the
'Iortir; Th1 Avqnue route because You would have to
con'4emn and use nrivate nronarty -4hich can't be done'
without condemnin nrivate oronertv.
It would by hetter to o all the way on
2nd Avenue rather t'-,An to cro :.)n the peonies' nrivate
prn!:lerty wch would be ',1;hi lass costly and we think
it wolJH serve more oe(rlle sant! rove neonle to
west as onnosec' tn the e!ist.
(The more su7c*estion that we have is that we
7iscayne t,einur the entrance to Miami shoul be
-rv.-d for the ^oyril ralrls that we now have there
the 7)7,'7trept Parkin:- Authority has 3nent
-r-at '.4.eal of !--lony over the !fears and--thl.s vear's
t e -ortv or
thousand dollars
re-2;1F:cifl:- those alms which have died or which
they are and we think a nrofessional
!,ster should e done to preserve these Yoyal
a nrivato cit-en, T would hate to see
the 31r,cayne 71oulevard have an "Ltyre of neorle
lover alonr- !hat ho,,1e!7ar!. vou can accoranitsh more
hy nuttln- the oennle ov'r on Thrtheast ?n4 Avenue.
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are stron:71y rsommendinc.- that instead
of turning west on Northeast 1st f.treet, that it
should turn over rThdicatil). In other words, over
here (indicatihr) 1.93t,PP nf cir 911 t'le wrIv In
here (indicatinc,). It should To here an then up
2711, Ave,nue. ':!f! ,tter line and 1.Te
wou1,1 hrinr- the r-nver more to where
the '.)1.1:71ness is an,' we feel thRt ih al.lition to that ,
It will lot lestroy ver: 1 71ount of narkinr
rev,?nu which nffstreet Fai tuthority receives
th-.tt are on •.'iseflyne ?‘oulevard which will have
t. r1 v the county or whoever is in charp7e
r-pr thisituation.
have a issue outstandini7 in which
th%t is --it woul,i have to be replace...1 by some
authnr'ty if this rkih,.- revenue is destroye°.
t . 2rinci7.1e tat rut in today with two
0.;tions. We think it ought to turn west from
:701theas.t 1st and W thihl; it should fro all the way
Thrtheast ?n,1 Avehi- :7.outheast ?rid Avenue and
17-1 avoid the nec.Jssit:4 of conJenin:7 )rivate. 7..ro;)erty.
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r. Joei Thal2!-)er,
Tel. 693-7878
CAROLYN Y. BOSTON
arr~Moremnd Remur,
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Miami, Florida 33147
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SHAPF:;::
Joel Snapper, tiayshore
Alert Committee. I was to amdlify the statement that
has already been made concernin: Piscayne 3oulevard
Avenues --
^,:,ISSI012''. 6HAC:{: ;'gat oranizrition
do you represent?
771'7r:P :iayshore Alert Committee
''o'1Cs:rnr:ri c'.t t ,ens, most of them in the
; o'"te it'?.i.. le are concerned about this
V'lo`>i"?r nt of the lajs'nore and e don't want to see
t lot of .leve1.);)rient of the is shore.
::A OF1 ., : The next speaker is
'r. Charles :;in er, ASNericari Institute of Architects.
,About or: _ hundred ,,,ears ar
F _ri_ , .ent l . .T1r, by ....e nn e of 3arlen art5r:13n
'snow 17 "✓ a are f'a:4111dr wit hii.l, toot:
_.� ;ut lare streets throurh the city 7-,
Paris what it is toizu.y. He F;ave it a joy and
qo.t, of that T ri3 has in our 71
of beinr
a ai.c•---t':e reason 12, ':e went and -lid these thinrrs
+.,1 -z Tanner. It was not done by layers of
I.arl1.'+1z1.at:!.On of i!1 .iVidual interest. It
Tel. 693.7678
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Certified Shortha►d Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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W9.3 i.one by s Itrect
We have the nlosest thir7 to that anti I
thin that it is 1:0nortnnt that th,.? norlrissioners
tit this can te like tne err' to saris ir
the fsct that thts n firlt 5Iter.) or that the nity
h sr ,71.stlnr f7-,brir nni tht,t /nu srp r-oin,- to
,,nt in thnt farin sorethin- that in 7oinr- tn the
21t Ce.,tury. This 11 -oin tn r/ne very, very
A:Hortrint irant of the riliallty thl citytLls
leads to ssy that tfte :sition of ;here
ths;! r:xtrerely
Tr 7ot). -ut tm oh. a n,irrow street, tluch'tett q3
?nl, ..tch Is only atout 3feet wide, the
ttsol" 1:/ inherrtly wile and Vou
1 sltlstirn on sorle ',arts o
17.7:41 histnally br1Tr but
1:71(!,.rreat's ts the rallron and It creates
lituation.
T rnolt7e tha.t there arP Interests that are
tnvo1v:.1 for 1.)1t3inenl re7,son!3. "1/1eYer, It
tret nol7,sion ar.1 the cont:,
rt-ht etron,- /7ov,e toet`.1er to
t tt1r it :ielon-s ani 1:17)rently the reonle rover
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CAROL YN V. BOSTON
Certified Sliwthend Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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1)elon7 alori 'liscayr,2 :oulevard for the reason being
that T iscayne 3oulevard is 20d feet. wide. It h
pleat,; or visual width to coon o,i-ite that width. It
wa5 su•.'"ested , ~however' it has been
manipulate --not .''yanir,U1:1tei'.1* It :,as ''ev{.ater:
,rn71 ' t ,, n~ <<.., nab i ,`,:,-:t;ic.�. It t e 'c` a]. in order
to llsc the l:+',/ *ecL'",cl,.. r f vot: have it a1nnf' the
wfl_1 not on1.y iIiaa ace the virLial 3'spect on a
"oin to :^'ort:---•t at is what •;r.r live
hcre
This is a.-i ocean -sea oriente.: city. If we
t1i:; internal because of busine:'
you 'ire ;o1'i' to have another i,+nnhattan
or anothcra t'; e will ull try to move out of
»., 7 ` .. t ... t'. t I i• v,eI',; Important that you
1 ;, .. l7..r ,sue of 1ndiv1uals aryl -o to
broad a l•e• 3CO; .. :'lc; Cp':7cc2it C., creati^`, t•"l.i1,3 new
"or the city ywl are ,7,oin;; to alt �r. This
city has already be.- )n to ::o it,and its very in7)ortant
that the ` peci ^ir: '' s ue ait;:n'.erit on the 7iscayne
Mulevar•' be ..]•' :3 :strictly as possible to that
'.'-)e Street 13 nr)t in'_.??"'ent1y heautiful at all
Tel. 693.7679
CAROLYN V. BOSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
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There 1.:?. only n si.1i ction of the rout end which
has n serie7, of 7:oyal ralms which easily trans-
(7in be re7)1ante,-1. Thj orl rover itself
not The aerial ha freetloyi or
peo')le tn rove Ilni!erneath te r!-JerF,, clown there.
Tt 1_3 re-1111 erti,1 tt you :Ait it
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rnre3entin;7 trch!_tectz.
yrlr(777 7=1; r7.4err, you are
tut you respresent architects, is that your
or '13 .-,renlent
There are at least ten of
7?!'qo not even relateo this and we
•.'11 it. T tan the inittive all thc?
You are ra7)resentin7 the
of P.rc')it.Lct,:.?
717GR: Also my personal interest.
CO=7:7T(Y7P, 01;":77: rave your
113 nny foral .liscus9ion on it and
thv t7.1en a %rote on the 7osltion they ;vtsh to
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CAROL YN V. BOSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
MP. SIEGrP.: Tt is so- ethln^ T was made
aware of in a very short time. We had noof'ricta1 vote
I have discussed it with a lot of i-,,r neonin who are
not influenced by its-Josition and ar? not related.
CO;;.,'ISSIr-;= f3LIVF :: T!ow many members
are associates'.?
SZr'^^R: Two hundred seventy.
COMralrrTm;7.7 OLIVEr: Approximately
how many lid you talk to?
TY"R. SI'?17 z: I talked to about two
C07.71tSrITO ,,C,..;.,IT?"^: Mr. Fi er r' r
.3v(' you ')!.it an'! er%o'iaals--•I ;- Ue s this is very
i... ,ortrt:1`, , iri a!let of •t -sthet.i c valaa . Do you have
inn:-; as to t'le relationahiof the total
r''F..!-n we will he 1.o:.in' , if anything, in regard --
I -i think the consultant
o ..,; t ; 'hired r!ec,i -n he 3tat on orirrin ally the
f rr'_ ctoul.3 he 1et1.
CO f:'T^'1FP. SCI I F: Do you have
corments about what we are losinrr in relation to
r1rT.Mn on nliscayne 7-ioulevarr1?
CT"'G"P: T think someone else should T•-
Tel. 693•7879
CAROL YN V. BOSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
PY^,P: We found that the ridership
would .range from a couple thousand a day, 1f you ro
on : iscayne /3oulevard as oppose.: to ?econ('.
co771'I."SIC; ;i' " :f.;'., Jra ;you takinr
into consideration the lar -e number cf people who
come to our comilunitV an! use it as leisure activity?
::ave you counted the numbers of oeople who would
use as a si ht-seeinc7 rile ape? as a ,>leisure as
onnose,i to a business accr,ivit-; .
We have comoleteloverlooked the Terre
rtumbers'4ho use 1i.ani Ft9 a leisure time acti vi.ty.
Yes. The rtderthir. 'node's
f':o take all ty;,es of tri7s. As transportation for
Fusiness , is the basic reason--
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When you put the
DP'" °;7ste on Disc :rne ;',oulevar'?., everythinthat
pas access peither has to walk or ride fro•i t'ha west
to * .egst; . There is rot any real attraction from
! ast t0 :;i` c .'lee ";oulevard. Consequently, when
7 )'t ;)'..t it on Second Avenue you are closer to the
center or the -,rap'. . There are develonnents on
h :th 1h'n it is on : iacayne, everybody has
to • Dye essentially toward the , uideway from the west
Tel. 693.7678
CAROLYN V. BOSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
t:1u3 rr.akinR a reason ror chanre in ridership.
f AYnP ; ; PRT7: Any further questions
on this? Tha next sneaker will be .Tuciv eidner,
Leamue of Women Voters of Dale County.
112. `ir1%M:71: "The Learrue of Women
Voters of N'etronolitan Dade County favors the
adoption of the Downtown People "over route
ali anent recommended uv the .)ownto;rn ?'Qon1 ?'fiver
Policy Comm:tttee. Alt: ounh we Jo not feel that the
peol:le mover would detract from :3iscavne 3oulevard,
ve think that the proposed, r.... 2nd Avenue route
is ireferable for the following reasons:
1) It would stimulate development in that
area of downtown i!iami, encourarinr
the investment of private money in
rev1. a117inr the downtown core.
2) It would brin?, people within close wa.l
distance of even more businesses than
would the Tiiscayne 3oulevar ? route, .•rh
should 5e a primary concern in the des
of a Downtown People °'over.
3) It would :,otter serve the planned resi
development of the Town -in -Town
a.:n(1 )s ->rovi"?e an ir'+ etus f
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Certified Shorthand Reporter
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Miami, Florida 33147
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the completion of this project, since
the residents coull be assured of havin
their transportation needs so well taken
care of.
The placement of the south lee, or the
Downtown People hover alonr Tirickell Place is also
'ce t, to havinr it run alonrrrickell
.1Anue.?. reeson for this, arain, is that the
7)Th-t Aover could he instrumental in
evelonment and innovative lan0 use in
trey :just west of the riric14'ell business and
2,ection.
r2rlyJnaliv, we favored roinF alonr southwest
nince 1 have heard presentations from
11;1y r.oHrly, 1 think that we would nrefer the
:1.11r4ment of 13th Street.
We are concerned
the •.:onvention Center, Simpson Park, and about
learue is excited about the prospect
t!-1 Downt,Dwn People r,lover may he a tool in the
rfuture to be used to stimulate the investment of
7Jonty in downtown to encouran:e the use
tai on a 24-hour basis, and to provide
Tel. 693-7878
CAROL )'N V. BOSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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CAROL YN V. BOSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
this creates essential alitional transnortstion but
it woulr! intrfere with the movement on ?nd Avenue
where the street isic narrc,w and c;--,nnot both.
is a cross section of ali-nnents
showinF--we only really showed one In an eavlier
:iscussion involve-'.. in ":)11 rc)ut .-re on
"?.:11 Avenue and the other cart of the loon ;rr;inr.:ement
D.i:lscayne ,7)ulevard. Or ':;ent in this d1r-ction
on :iscayne and t)le other went an 2nd Avenue.
(Tn)icatiny:).
A)flhe double track can
3een on the :.4rawinr Is lortheast 5th 7treet,
isn't that similar nronortion?
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DY77; The street is actually
narrower than that. This 13 at the corAmunity collep:e
has been set back.
Let's :7et sliecific. What
16 the width of 2n,.! Avenue?
171. f;eventy feet.
:;eventy feet. liow wide
4ould the street wit (Jn
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Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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!fl. DYER: Twenty °eet.
MAYOR :';:RPE:.: Out of seventy, twenty
would 1)e taken.
C!1M=;IOAT:R SC:H yti ' : "The same thing
would hold with the street north or ;th ;t ' t. .
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were e1.l)o'.2t firty "e,et south, seve.1t ! nut?t no'.
V ` :;.• 1. 7 fl uT!,.
fifty Feet tnci ':ort.:east , seventy.
vr,. "'J'T' ;\'"": T am not sure ex ictly
't the %'.ir;ensions are south o
than north?
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It is in that
cc!`'`. If=.i,..> ti Citii:.1'3 ..1: It is less
,'•'WEIC�. fl"T: It is narrower.
3:inC : ''hether or not
the F,t a rr is orr).)o3'3.:r1 . 'i'lyt;'- trr a:iout what Siep7.er
to us or 'het oer he was ren.resenti-h:r t, 1 total
r;ihi a or 7timPly the loard of ATT:. T th-In t're
.'�:. P:%icin'- some Very, very important lecisions today
-��,'•. 1. ::Oui. .. ':o;7e that you would think of the impact
of this s:'3 t en in a canon or downtown * ia!?ti .
Tel. 693.7678
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Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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YAYOF F:sRR ' : live us your name and
address for the record.
`q R �"'3ARf : {e11en Roebark. I live
on .1ortheaS1 !;th tremt and 'n:! Avenue. You are
tninkin" a'.)')-.lt ` utt t' oeo!)1.:'. ::')Vr?r9--•w}lit are : ou
o -i.nolit t!:')3t? tr.1c:e 'it :irk
to t`)t? seanort;. You uan't 1e:av? any lani
that unie s you r•�rol:t v`.; 3 rac., live 5 i .. »onths
:)at of the gear on that corner. We have owned the
I'o --rt1, for 7 'raters.
You 11`11116 -o 'tow('i there an,i see those
t ruc!.s , esne_ci..a11'/ on i'anuay ateirti n - at sev'r o ' clot
�n.. ,n 7ri�ia7. Po-_ .;c)',1 r;a'nT to take any lar)c' south
nn )rt; +vonue t'),- y are ..he :re
"Dnannt3y any? venty
` 't rent , you :lave the same 41.*,1..
Av-1T You 'lave liv-,.a e:here,
;.'id 3r?
1�. ` 01".DA::K : And 5th.
^AYf" 1.;~Rr", . You are r1.7ht . I know
':« truck traffic tre. Is you trL' to take any
7,-,inJ off of that street ---I !on-. ,snow what ,70u are
i 1 to io. Thee are `.h,' to t e
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Certified Shorth.nd Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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seaport and down ?nd Avenue and you turn left to the
seaport. Dr. Dyer, 'nave you studied the impact of
the tracks an:! other vehicular traffic when you have
taker, twenty fee` out of fifty-five feet on that
street?
"R. i YEF : P. couple of things.
t'",ink she is within the project boundaries c" the
co-7, :unite' co11ec-e of the :)lan 6ucn.
ali''•n"'ent is cUCi that; it Youl.'
t:- kin? part of t` e parin! lane only. !la
lanes on th trPet will '.ist,,lrt,e ' -tt all
_ere will Pc co1ur:ris in the parkin , lane �- :;ou1d
.not troy- T t=t11 r about columns ahout—Yry
ei ,rity feet, at, that { ;j.,1
•1er1� Prank. T an with the
1,,?;1 -.Jo? r ic)''ot-ors . '1v concern is t -
. xint n l.nce area or t fie area for stora e of ,1.,e
.i. ::!-... Of course. We have tried
to 'tee an a1lanv ent esta lie?lei but one of the
1.7,111:1 ,:i that ig `ara .n; part of t'ne acquisition of the
rapic1 transit til ,�-.a�t -it i'..._. pent. nec. _� .r , to
? .1i:''3 or will i'.:;' aC: .lire ':.. . :'r. 3itrearo.0 Inder
Tel. 893.7878
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Certified Shorthand Reporter
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Miami, Florida 33147
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the expressway is this area here (Indicatint-) and
immediately north. The DP!! facility will overate
and v:111 be maintained at the record level will
brin- It ,:7own to the surflace
Would
:)ut the maintenance facility entirely under the
exnresrwa7 raru-)s and immeli:-ttelv it would rtick Out
4, this vIcinity with a direct, s1:7n1e little
service connection hero (Indictin- fro!- t':1 line
ri;-.1t her- (7ndinatin7). There
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Tt I-, a relativelY r"Ill
, .1tr,Thlty at
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mt thirtv cars, dlltimal riTht rt.' way
COLO!'FT, WOTA-clnr: t sneak for the
!-\ri.vate 1,stem. There is an sayin7 if you have
to ralr'e n tn117- decision 'tr' you ve all the facts,
It is easy. If vnu don't have 122 of the facts, it
ir ros11.11e. :ol,r; this lady e, very .,00d
T have lived here nost of m7 life down
TThrter.rt Avenue, the wi:Ith 3hove 5th N:reet and
elov thF,treet--soTebny ouTttl tell us .,xactly
7n‘l ,-entler'en will know whit the wid.th is on
Thrtheast 2nd Avenue above 51-, 7treet and what the
he?ew 7,th 'Itr7'et. 4t *1t 1 don't
Tel. 693.7678
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Certified Shorthand Reporter
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think you should spend the noney nenessary to
condemn nrivate property.
;urther two, rilso there has heen sor-;•7. talk
ahont the .1;.:restlim T turn1n7 ,;7-t on
F.tropt r7-ttl!er 7treet.
!Y; I :rnieti3t Mro.. 11 1
Thrtheast 1:,;t sorli, Mould
'71ve ti('! diferonee wfdtn of those
As T reme:riter, :)3uthe:ast 1tr much
thn.n t woul 1t.:11f on the r•prt!,;t 13t
but rty rialn 70.1To.7e in tal!:iry7 is th zomeone
iv-) you AlI or tne facts r•-tther uess
T.71: Dr. Dyer, a qle7tion
hen askec:. Ufl.1 :7o!..1 tell Its ,4,t. the
Avc=nu '11 blow 5th ..rt alvy 7th,
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lit t,ret an::: the 1.(Ith ?nd.
3n rvenue, wr.7, :cpe talkin
'IH:;ut north of f',treet fat. 'out
fift'f-vc! fe"'t. r:.trrows ahout LIth
hot ,-!):71c2t1 n-rroWttv ocurs on
width.
Tel. 893-7678
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Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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Seventy and fifty-five.
',MAYOR PUTT: There is a railroad
track after you ero3 , th--after the railroad., it
narro3••s down?
NE. I'YI_F: That is just 2nd. f.ctually,
it narrows south of 5th.
;'hcE ver plsnnod '.i mi
sixty years t_o._ the,i shoulJ have , lanneJ (:)7 hundred
't ,1 feet rather t'.-.an fifty feet.
'€, have that
::•, ortun1ty Lef'orus today. e are a7ain�f loins?
::~recta in downtown +ir;n1 . Tr 1.:w, ,rant to c i1 them
.,over, or ailjt..IC,,' else, it is rroin- to be a.
:,t.rt:t:t in our ,tsar u'lit;, and I ur.i5:e this z'os_t.- to
h 7': about „. '.. at: ion3 :rev= ral year.77, after
, -ef. 1tion and we have either wall.: off
I' o'r+a.. . up new v.i:,t.if. o: our ca: r1un ty.
^M'. .:T_;'SIO'3ER ir. ' 'o ', I
o•i'.i; like to `,. ^in everybody; particularly those I
. '.1 •:3 i u e- 3 i. t o-- % 1 ammo s o • l k i '.'; to, the
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who have to 3r:@ t:"i? i,1.3 on, the joint
CO-1'1i3M1CY1, .Jc3 3tirte'1 Out wit- a downtown , or 1e
thin: the con,..,ultants
Tel. 693-7878
CAROL YN V. BOSTON
Certified Si►orthend Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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and staff have been very res)onsive to the suc',7estions
that were male duriry those hearin7s.
It 13 nnfortanate that some are here today
with some ideas, viable Ldea'_i WhQ rlidn't come with
tne,n. bo"orf. thAt comittee. 'leetiry3 iere
7,)1.11ici7,,e1 and tnere W:13 ql opportunity for .::-.Thrbody
4:11ere, 7 thin-: 4e Illst relaer.:Oer thoa,:
alternative.; tit were sue.ite. an6 then
ed.
The staf*f and the coittee :liscusse(j the
nr the streets vi,f1 all other a -real at the
connttee neetins and let ne remind you that the
3.e,7,o7-1eneations that committee were unanlous.
te ali:nment that has been offered today
rt :-00 one and I 1()1* both comrlissions will sunport
tat nosition.
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on tell me what yeasoninp N.ont Into tne ulecision
';urn tc tire wet, on 17ortheast ist ',treet rather
.outhesst fltreet whiL .12ind a .very
1:1tr1-111n27 point or westerly turn?
1.2:72fl'',: ..1,1etion is why are
turnip 11'?3t on orthwei,,t 1st :treet--let me point
orthcest 1st f7treet versus 1;outhe:sst 1st :7)treet.
Tel. 6917678
CAROLYN V. BOSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
FloridaMiami, 33147
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That is the question.
MR. DY^R: I think the basic reason is
all of these --I am tllinr you rir-ht now that you
simply can't t,;,ike this turn. If you ,lade t'le turn
sout'., of 1st-'treet you -.et into the narro'.er streets.
It all narrows up here (In:Jicat inr•) . I wou1 ,. 'ke
a majority of take;. on one sie of the r,t;,E•.,,: ,r
tie turn ?n1 COFt o_ the;:;^ takes are fa,.r, 7Y1 excess
,,r,.'t'•inwoul1 be in her (In11catin)
Dr. Dyer, you didn't
answer the previous question of tbc, o
:ort'.:east 1st versus `:ouvneast 1st treet.
DY77: I ::on't think we know this
r ht at this point.
C._?JO'. ;L. :iort;ieast 1st, Ctreet
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rd Sl., r' * .r co1ur`hus is. I know for,"act
''.t is very :i •-rro': . That is a f i ^t y-'."i +i '' foot
s; T rercJ.1.
would i7uess that ^, 1st
r.:2. `; is at least seventy -Five or c:1 rht y
Cr ';'1^`'Tr=7 F „1,LT : If we oar::e west
i•, 7out st 1st r 4..'..'-et , bl'`. '.iolil 'u ve to co:le up
or the;l,. t: Thrl iivnl,lF.. 1:::uti `' t:.,ere 1. no av 07
;%:'.n.. `'.I'Ull i e�:,t; or Ho:'ti,e....:t ?nI Avenue. So, we
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CAROL YN V. BOSTON
Carti/ied Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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would he ri7ht bac with at flft7-^ive foot
business and you are 1ookin:.7 at tl-le rlorida Power and
Io.11.1,11n:, on one the :)11Point on the
othcr. I (7,on't think 1"t ViaLl location.
D'1=: 7r T -ollo all
.71oaest:!. do''arre (:n,f,1cLitTh: on
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nonths 1st we
t')ere tnrnr. nnie
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r.713on ror tn,7 ln the arr,11. Cerc7,ain
on th,,!. other si(3e.
just
reet is
vtir thi.t area.
Cr)4:: Colonel olfson,
thi
f„ nort point
1,7)n't Le:1.1,_ee Is that yr„,u are 1nt11:2!.%. to
tnrn nc)1tY1 •tlt! 7 a
that von na.le for tn,, roorl-aendation.
thInk I conrnsed
Was
7xs-ictly reallY F..r'74.,',(lis to
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Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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is to turn west on Southeast ?nci rtreet because that
is a very wide street. T have forrotten the exact
width of it. T wish T had the exact width.
^outhear;t 2nd °treet to r1.rht 1,ere (Tndicatinr).
That is a very 4,1.0e street. Turninc here arould be
very re snnahle hecanse that 1.s vacant '.'rnnerty
and if ,701) need 30:T'iE vacant nronerty--now t`, ire are
:30:le rsrri•1nc- lots there on the corner. Tt iid be
-) r'uch more reasonable thin than r•oinm
1:'`. Avenue which very nr-e huildj.'1'--.
rn.,.7..,,ien `,very st.ronrl .r that " ':.;ern west
",-,uthesst an0 `street and then turn nort`. or
'r)rthe!:l ,t ? 1 Avenue. T would like to add one thing'.
'•'OU,,.noY a nenr>1 e mover in most cities, whether in
,'ss in -ton or :rhet..,or it 1 s 1r Paris, that.
rov1n~ oeonle around a business
theast
Unfortunately, we can't hutld the suhway
of o„r water level and hec ruse y , "cave to
o ,ove 7round if we are not roinr to ro ,,.1 the
reet level. co, Let's consider the situation for
4.e ; eon1'e mover. There is no one more interested
the public" needs sndrl.:
.11,,r;. ants an desire
Tel. 693.7878
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Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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for aesthetic tin7s in city.
I think that every stur4.7 of oublIc buildings
every nublic tt:ilt by the city shouldbe
I tone that the .1e734...:-n o" thF!. structure of
7eor!le r'-over will be onc2 wIll be plsant
to the eye an .:011 cr I thln'-: as
haven't :"c or .7•• it
A.ioner Y that
r',,rtly that we '7ut exa:s.tly 'aas
on. ':!o were not unt.!1 reer.ntl-;. When
(!)t what wao ,cavne
7.1ert.] very ..-stronrly,
Ye wcil]c' 1..7t 3.1',/.e to say that th. 7owntown
Auhcrlt; Y.;:re in. We wo7:' never
th woul' to
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cort wo 1..):17. have
not ,:stroy a like
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concrr.o.!.a1s m.7:mr of the
I re7.1rnt lurt. a placeof
r\tirt wrA117 berfu nc', 7reat every
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Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
of the whole United states of Anerica In terris that
we can build a subwny and currently don't want to
cio this street le7el.
Let's hona that ti of the :,.!ople
:':iover .4111 be one that '0_11 neettc17.- (lorrect
al well as functionn11,, orrac.t. V1 1',.,romitirP.
'ir,re for oi.Jer oeoT)1. tryinr7„
to :ove Th'it have eqcal nt
ir)t. of t.n?ae stations. T' Youll h9 dirous
lesIn escalators ralt all of t'le aest;lec
I :.one thnt we .7.?.r! bein
717.,. I thAr, everone ha had antil?
3flortuilty ani 1 oln;.7. to let r. Ke:-.per and
ot'ners
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!out a 4oek fic, we helcl
wItthe al'ar.nr,ent T renort
to 7. e, .Are !n favor
:ec!)le
ue ar 7cr of
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CeniMmiShemetmdReporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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2,aturia:/ -lorniir* in
1:Allt area an a:1 il.tre it takel fi'"ty-4'tve -Aeconds
th7tt, w17.1' te the
71al 1.!1 the ract thAt the r!derlhin would
ecline.
T b$2!ileV4.? it will t'ecause or thl
:ifty-fivr2
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alon- tIltp
F 1,1'.1 me Avenue i
Cf-r•"77:7'-) r.•'? 7C.T77-71"-7;7',
To te
f-rotr) R nof?Ation on ',0^lere the
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1.7! fl 7r.?r ttp7! e r 1.on
!aot '1.1v,? an nert'inity
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CAROLYN V. BOSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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MR. JOIFS: The rrivate nrort:! on
4th Street up to 5th Street where thp rv1 otel
is located, T. am not s,lre if te .-)
Atat he is talktn-
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not rOace hiT ne7t r.)1)r lilce for
that to he clarifier'.
7Apvflp
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Fark.view votel 11? rnh- Y it Or
an.,1 how close lt Pard<'v't
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lots rlinninr. bel-Ar71. 7.1,7,nyne Terrc-. The
is yes.
MP. nY77!: 77) tnswer you, it is close.
woulc. not interfe.rP
'10149 It b; 07 the all-ent.
-A'(71nr (rel.' 9 rolitP. 1t ner..rY to
•Hac:: once voq rtrt 'irnt .1-,r17e of
to -et the e'cict 1.1t7n7t. It is that
•,:puld not tuall7 interfre with the 1-truc4'lrA,
74:,fF; nUt it thPt wa7.
7(1177 ,'77 concern 1 not fo 7-gch
the striletlire.
E- 1:7 don't ir.no.. You
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CAROLYN V. BOSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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are talMnr ;?.hout contThr-,hly less noise, ar
automob1L,,t 71 mils ri lour. you r"et a lot more
1-12 or° from trucs and
71± 2.H 1-r. an 1-,-%ortant
7)1.1t rInWc. our
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ar-a not th?
ilestion -*o,..)t that.
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be less noise than
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I to fr)114)wup
t-) ir tho.re Is
o1viron1..1 ln,act; wl Will to
wo411(I it nl:ic? 7(7)1111
to hav input Into nol-;a
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CAROL YN V. BOSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
in workin wita .doint: out oxi:ltinc
noi3e 1eve,13 on the lt;re=J%t.h what 17.1.ct;
compared to the current noise exi
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a.ia:..:11 forty-four ye7tr.3. I 11;1.v'.::, been
yearo.
thir.177 a 'il.ullnr.!3man
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put Ti;
tin: it wot.:.1.
estate AnL,
tine
you !:ry br 'opert
'about 'nd Avenue
eet. 7ou are tr11-.in.Out
);,--10 t;l." two
. I thlak 7cJoci
t1 i.-,- !1!.-.?CO:1ii3 one
Tel. 893-7878
CAROL YN V. BOSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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•vay or anoter---this not 3omethir1 like �isney
,;orld , as far as 1 see i 1 . It i 3 ,3o;le t li'1 , to serve
,�' CUP::,'•1"l `;, Cl Itt
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to ...:'Pv t co::,nu:,it- :;nd would it not be like
Dn, i1 i"1 7n.a !,venue,. at 1_6 a ,'.iT'.2_2`; .oute
l jie ,: ‘ 11 7 ..i ✓t :.. t a n'.! west i n s t `} 0 ') ..,
�, .1 i"ht c-)r t. ,'.'..0 }it
:re:ti estate
•-ror•1n in the la3t twenty
;:. .'`, . 'Ju r(;:J.. ? `. . e value of rirkell
.'n`lllc^. .., :T" �1't;ti .:-c ..._ a{1'!O•.'; .%Ot O`' you uo.
, the values exter.. .o
i, :.; .. .aa 3Ii!: other i+ t, tresses
...r3[1 t t,";1C!t. you want :o-feat
�r. an; and
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-s nessmsn an.; :'o, several thief.. _, that
llrt•.er':',tan iti is that t- ..s
o.v r. 1,re ,`,here
"or s 'nioi' Ci.t» C?!:.. '.).'." are the
to uz,, . t '.
Tel. 693.7678
CAROL YN V. BOSTON
Certilird Sharth.nd Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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T %:4th ''.P lrIst nnen',:er it
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to their nronert. The "ain :rust
thln to economi revit:llinti.on to
To hrin.- the roonle lo,:rntnYn.
a no- Pr' le a
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Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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d,re many ways of (.1oihe these tA.ni;.3, 6-ut
iwict114 upet -Javo cut
:,AV0 "inc: I am
,oirw t.1;i110 your rer.):Ition.
a% t,1:1!
tti no , the
u,-)vtio of 13 no4,J
Are 110'0i c:),;;;i6slon
wcul',- 11.1 this
,3tion to u to L'f. L,an y'ou tell
at 1,ne. ar•Ative costs are :ten tv
ary..tc ...L; Toulevr - •
i yJu ti6conar'.ct-ivo
;)etwta-r:n tn to dltt:.rnativez; wIt;
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CAROLYN V. BOSTON
Orreftd Shordlend Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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CAROL YN V. ROSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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That is a substantial 'a,iount of r.i.'jrr,shin.
we ret into loin ^ cost v iu;'1e---four arvia hill"
percent ray not Finunr? 11 ;rn 1. 1.r` 2•T1* rn ,,,.. ,.. 1 ::in?
21. out 1 e no able to ext;e`lr1 th1M;Prric! nf' f's?O`,.
'7ftv0r< `71.t1',10.c1; t!? 1Cr72r1C7 anl
the accuracy of the traffic nr1:.1 Tl 'r rc t. hn q,,..,.,t 1."les
r'i s't.fi!!'ai, on thr? c yni'N.^-.?.y an,t r,l rlersh1 -. :3
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!•-; PV'-P (^,!7•" ce(In th.,, the
'. .y yri1n roi1rl 1.s `lrohnh1.' on e. r±or.ser+,rAtlyJ"
no ' o!;bt the 7;me 1arrir: of error roinf
",rcur no mattc,r which a1 j.r,.n„ent vmi are t'1 r1nr
-Jut.
COtitr,+-rSTO 71—, ! UVT'; • m►,e •ri r ri :i
-,..c2rac7 with re ar°•.1 to t'^ese kilnc:3 of e' t1,',ites sr
,.. '1 v» nurcent
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C') T '(1T'j`j^R 7T.1 7T".1, 710 you t•hione
orrcent accuracy?
PY"r . In terms of too close, close
'-i ;-unc1re.:1 '.1ercent =t11 'i-merit .
CO7r+`ISI..Trj17-rm--},1 One -,12n.. `.i.o'1
A'.i fir. t)o you feel
Tel. 893.7878
CAROL YN V. BOSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
9356 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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th(? n-re not '-c) walk
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CAROLYN V. BOSTON
Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147
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Certified Shorthand Reporter
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Certified Shorthand Reporter
9355 N. W. Little River Drive
Miami, Florida 33147