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SPECIAL
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MINUTES
OF MEETING HELD ON July 27 , 1979
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RALPH G.. ONGIE
CITY CLERK
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ITEM W.
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SUBJECT
JULY 27,1980
ORDINANCE OB
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RECONSIDERATION OF P.A.D. APPLICATIONLOCATED
1541 BRICKELL AVENUE
(AMENDED RESOLUTION, USING NUMBER OF ORIGINAL
RESOLUTION FROM JUNE 26, 1979)
DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED WATERFRONT AMENDMENT
REGULATION SETBACK AND BUILDING PLACEMENT
R-79-470
DISCUSSION
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MINUTES: OF SPECIAL MEETING OF THE
'CITY COMMISSION OFMIAMI, FLORIDA.'
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On the 27th day of July, 1979, the City Commission of Miami,
Florida,' met at its regular meeting place in said City in Special
Session. to consider business of public import.
The meeting was called to order at 1:00 P.M. by Vice -Mayor
J. L. Plummer, Jr. with the following members of the Commission present:
ALSO PRESENT:
*Commissioner Rose Gordon
Vice -Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
**Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
**Note: Mayor Ferre
Entered. Meeting at
1:02 P.M.
,'*Mrs. Gordon Entered
Meeting At 1:09 P.M:
Joseph R. Grassie, City Manager
R. L. Fosmoen, Assistant City Manager
George F. Knox, City Attorney
Ralph G. Ongie, City Clerk
Matty Hirai, Assistant City Clerk
An invocation was delivered by Reverend Theodore R. Gibson,
who then led those present in a pledge of allegiance to the flag.
1. RECONSIDERATION OF P.A.D. APPLICATIOI] LOCATED 1541 BRICKELL AVENUE
Mr. Plummer: Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. In a special call
of the Mayor for a meeting today, by Charter it is specified for a
reason. It is the understanding that 2 matters will be discussed today
in the special call. The first one relating to the project at 15th
Road and the bay. And the second is further refinement of the 2
amendments propused for the referendum. Mr. Traurig, you are on item
number 1. If you would like to come forward. Let me give you just
a short bit of history. You're project, as I recall, by a 3-2 vote
was passed by this Commission on the 26th of June, if I remember
correctly. At the last Commission meeting the Mayor asked for
reconsideration. That reconsideration was for the possibility of him,
reversing his vote, showing op the negative, rather than on the
affirmative side of the talley. It is my understanding, from the
Mayor, that that will be discussed at this meeting and any further
action. I would hope the Mayor and Mrs. Gordon...the Mayor is now
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present and that Mrs. Gordon would likewise come forward and we could
proceed. I would assume...Mr. Mayor, do you want to deal with the
15th Road project first? Or the other 1 first?
Mayor Ferre: I think the appropriate thing to do...did we pray
and pledge to the flag?
Father Gibson: Yes, sir.
Mayor Ferre: All right, I think the important thing, Mr. Traurig, yours
will come up next. Oh, I'm sorry, you represent Helmsley don't you?
O.k. We're going to take up the Helmsley project first. And lets see
if we can...is Mrs. Gordon in the building?
Mr. Plummer: Yes.
Mr. Traurig: Mr. Mayor, may I address this Commission?
Mayor Ferre:.
Mr. Plummer:
properly?
I'll recognize you, Bob. Is..
could I ask that somebody set that clock
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Fosmoen, or Vince, would 1 of you go see if Rose
is available now? Well, lets...lets...lets get going. Ladies and
gentlemen, this is a special City of Miami Commission meeting. The
purpose why I have called this meeting is because subsequent to the
meeting earlier this week, where I reversed my previous vote on the
Helmsley project on Brickell Avenue, the Helmsley people and their
architects called me. And I asked them, they asked to talk to me.
sat down with them and with the drawings...
Mrs. Gordon: Did you pray for es Father?
Father Gibson: Yes, I did.
Mayor.Ferre•
Good afternoon, Rose. Hope you're feeling better.
Mrs. Gordon: Hello, everybody., Much better. Vitamin C is marvelous.
Mayor Ferre: Good. So after...after the preliminary conversation,
I explained to them that the...my reversal on my vote was based on the
fact that I thought that in good faith, the 50 foot setback and the
see through provision is a very important matter and that to be
consistent with what we were going to be voting on, that we had to
if there was a way of working that out.. Now we spent, I would say
about an hour, the day before yesterday. And about an hour in the.
morning yesterday and then we met again in the afternoon. And during
those 3 meetings, they were able to come back with what I think is a
solution. And in a way that will comply with the 50 foot setback and
the 25% see through. Now, that may or maynot be the only thing that
we're going to be talking about today. It seems to me, however, and
I want to say this at the outset, that if Harry Helmsely, who is by
far the largest developer that we have in all America, and who is
Mr. Developer in this country, can take such a complicated project,
as complex and as varied, and as far down the road as this project
was, and find solutions to it, certainly the other developers in
this community and others who are dealing with the same problem,-
can do the same. And with that as an introduction, I recognize you,
counsellor.
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Mr. Robert Traurig: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. For the record my name
is Robert H. Traurig. I'm an attorney with offices at 1401 Brickell
Avenue and I represent Mr. Helmsley, and Brickell Biscayne Corporation
which is the owner of the property which is the subject of this
dicussion. The Mayor has correctly stated the facts which ought to
be made known relating to the period subsequent to your hearing on
Tuesday of this week. The architects for this project have now done
some revised site planning. We would like to submit it to you for
your consideration as an amendment and a modification to the site plan
which had been previously approved by you on June 26th. So that you
again, can orient yourselves, I'd like to show you some aerial photographs
of the property. As you will recall, this is a parcel that wraps around
St. Jude's Church and is the property immediately south of that
building that you see that protrudes into the bay. We recognize the
spirit and intent of the actions of this Commission in submitting to the
public the question of the 50 foot setbacks, etc. And in line with that,
we have a site plan which is not colored, it's in black and white. And
I would just show it to you from this distance but will submit it to
you for further,. more specific review at your table in just a minute.
What we propose to you, in keeping with the spirit and intent of that
proposed new Charter amendment, is that we set all of our structures
back 50 feet from the bay. We recognize the motivation of this
Commission in trying to make a better community by having bayfront
setbacks. And the affect of this is to comply fully with Section 3, 4,
(b)1 of the new proposed Charter amendment by which we would stagger the
townhouses 50 feet from the center line of those townhouses to the
seawall. And by shortening the stepped building so that it is 50 feet
also. We think we comply also with the 75 requirement. One of the
problems that results from our new architectural scheme is that in
order to accomplish what I have just indicated, that is settingback
50 feet from the bay, we have to reduce the size or our parking
structure. If you recall, we had a 2 story, 21 foot parking structure
in which all of our vehicles were being parked. So we had no at grade
parking. In order to setback from the bay, we now will have 40
parking spaces dislocated. There are 2 alternatives. One is, that we
would relocate those parking spaces on the site. And we have shown
exactly where we can do it. And it would not be an intrusion into the
neighborhood or would not impinge upon our neighbors. 0r, and this is
preferable, and we urge your consideration to this. Since we believe
we don't need those parking spaces, we would like to keep that area
in greenery and reserve it as a land bank by which we could alternately
provide for the parking if it were necessary. That way, we increase
the percentage of open space and the percentage of open landscaping,
which we thine- adds to the aesthetics of this project. We would call
to your attention, just for your consideration also, that when you took
action on Tuesday, I think you were under the impression that no permit
of any kind had been issued by the City. I don't think that you had
been made aware of the fact that a foundation permit had been issued.
And a suhstantial amount of money expended in reliance upon that
foundation permit and the other good faith actions of this Commission.
So we ask you to reconsider your motion to reconsider, and simultaneously
to permit us to modify our plan to provide for this 50 foot setback
with this relocated parking. I'd like to submit this to your table.
I wish I had a number of copies.
Mayor Ferre: Counsellor, you said the 50 foot setback 'in addition:to':
complying with the 25% see through, which I think you previously
stated that you also did with this...
Mr. Traurig: We have done a detailed analysis of the 25% see through.
We have reviewed that with representatives of your Planning Department.
We have a detailed mathmatical breakdown of setback, square footages,
etc. We would ask you to verify with the Planning Department, and
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specifically with Mr. Whipple, as to whether or not the plan that is
at your table, complys with that 75%/25% ratio. We think that it does.
And I- would urge that you ask Mr. Whipple before you vote.
Mayor Ferre: Let me ask you while he's looking at it 1 other question.
With regards to the 40 parking spaces that would be surface parking
in the future, if needed, is...you still would be within the minimum
parking....
Mr.'Traurig: We believe, and let me ask Mr. Romney, whether or not
this is accurate. We believe that we can comply with the minimum
parking requirements without the utilization of the ad -grade parking
spaces. I'm not positive of that. Let me ask Mr. Romeny.
Mayor Ferre: 0n the record, your name and address, Mr. Romney.
Mr. Herman Romney: My name is Herman Romney, I'm the architect for the
project. And my office address is at 1934 Ponce DeLeon in Coral
Gables. 0n the matter of the number of parking spaces. In the brief
time that we have had to examine them, the project, and to work towards
resolving it for compliance, we are under the impression that we may
need to relocate as much as 40 parking spaces. We have, therefore,
asked that we...that the proposed land bank alternative be accepted
since, at this point, absolute verification of that is something that
requires a little more time.
Mr. Traurig: Question, Herman. Are those 40 parking spaces need for
the required number of parking spaces?
Mayor Ferre: See, you told me Mr. Romeny that you were way over the
minimum parking space requirement but that you wanted to add these
parking spaces anyway because it was a matter...since this was a
luxury project, you wanted to have the availability, even though you
only had 253 apartments, you wanted to have over 450 parking spaces.
Those were your words to me. Am I correct?
Mr. Romney: That's...that's right.
Mayor Ferre: So therefore, you said that if you lost 40 of those
450 you were still within the law that requires parking spaces. Now
what you're asking, as I understand it, is that if we approve this,
we also permit you the possibility, should you desire or need, to add
40 additional parking spaces as shown in that drawing. Is that correct?'
Mr. Romney: Due to the fact
ascertain at this point...
Mayor Ferre: I>understand. It might be 30. It might, be 25. It.
might be none. It might be 40.
that the precise number is difficult
Mr. RomnPv: Correct. 'You' re: right.
Mayor. Ferre: L understand.
Mr. Fosmoen: Mr. Mayor, if I may. I don't believe that's ,quite
accurate. ` They need; the total` number o£ spaces according to the.
ordinance. The -number...`
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Mayor Ferre: That's...that was why 1 asked the. question, Mr. Fosmoen.
Now perhaps you can answer it since you say it's not accurate.
Mr. Fosmoen: What he's-saying...what I hear him saying;is based on'
their experience they don't needthat many spaces...
Mayor Ferre: No, sir...,
Mr. Fosmoen: Unfortunately, our ordinance requires that many spaces.
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Mayor Ferre:That...the question specifically is haw many spaces';
does -:this projdct require?
Mr Whipple:;
Mayor Ferre:
Mr. WhiPPle:
According to
have 438 spaces.
They have''over 450 spaces, Mr..:-Fostnoen. So-...`
Well, our information also shows they have
Mayor Ferre: So, in
is also inaccurate.
438.
other words the statement that you just made.'
And that is that we don't need all 450, we need
Mr. Whipple: Mr. Mayor, I think the point that we are trying to make
is that if there be any deviation from the required amount of parking
spaces, we do not believe this item has been properly advertised and
would have to be sent back. However, if they provide. the required
amount of parking configuration i.e. on site other than the
parking garage this Commission could proceed as they are proceeding
today.
Mayor Ferrer. Do you follow that?
Mr. Whipple: In other words, this becomes "a technical and perhaps
legal question. All we're saying is ,there was no waiver of required
parking when this petitionoriginally came before you. And if you
want to do this today, I might suggest that it may not be a legal
procedure to do that.
Mayor Ferre: So, you have to make it legal. What you'd have to do
do it, this way and then later on, if you can prove that it,'s 438 or
whatever the number is, you could come back, and I would imaging,
petition to lower by the amount, up to the legal point. Is that
correct?
Mr. Whipple:
Yes, that would be a variance procedure.,
Mayor Ferre: O.k. Is that acceptable to you? Because that
Only ;,Way :.we. could. legally hear this at this point
• Traurig: Yes, it is. Yesit is.
s the.
Mayor Ferre: Now...
Mr .Whipple: To answer your other question, Mr. Mayor, with regard
to'the .75% provision, you, understand,based upon the wording,:as'it
is today, and based upon the. calculations that we have reviewed..
by the applicant, we are,of-the "opinion. that .they ,would-.need-a_75y'_
provision on the provised Charter amendment.
Mayor Ferre: O.k. Thank you"very.much.' I think with those 2
considerations, which were the.. was theonly..reason why' brought. this
back for reconsideration, I ,am now ;prepared to' vote;"in favor --,of this .
amended plan that.. has been. presented.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Whipple are ,there any,. exceptions to the zoning at
all, still retained in that application?
Mr. Whipple:. Yes, ma'am. The original adjustments and deviations
that set forthin the original petition,.I assume,; are maintained
in tact...
Gordon: What :were they?
Mr.` Whipple: Except for the provision
and the meeting of the 75%...
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the 50 foot waterfront yard
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Mrs. Gordon: I...I asked you a question which I did not receive an,
answer: What are the remaining variances that are still contained in
that application?'
Mr. Whipple: Resolution 79-470 indicates the following. A resolution
granting a petition for a planned area of development on 5 through 11
so on and so forth...consisting of a 39 story apartment and 2 double
parking structures (STATEMENT MADE FROM A NON -RECORDING MICROPHONE.
SCANTY TRANSCRIPTION PICKED UP FROM THE PUBLIC ADDRESS SYSTEM)
Mrs. Gordon: Is that still...is that deviation still there?
Mr. Whipple: As far as I know, yes, ma'am. (REST OF COMMENT INAUDIBLE)
Mrs. Gordon: O.k. That a side...I know but I had a negative vote on
right from the start. I didn't change or reverse my position. I need
to know now whether the deviations are significant to me...significant
enough to me to still retain my negative vote. That's why I want you
to tell me what the deviations are.
Nr. Whipple: May I try to rephrase it slightly. You would like t
know if, with the changes they made today...
Mrs.
Gordon: The remaining deviations.
Mr. Whipple:O.k. The would have all the others except that,
rear yard of 22 feet provided 88 required they w uld now,
provide 50 feet 88 required. That is the only change that would•
occur from the Commissions previous approval, to the best of my
knowledge.
Mrs. Gordon: In other
ready to vote.
Father Gibson: Isn't
rather than a part?
words...
in" the
would like a copy of;;that ,before'I'
it true that you were considering the total
Mr. Whipple: Sorry Commissioner, I don't
Father
Gibson: Weren't you considering a`"total'`rather than a part?
Mr. Whipple: Well Commissioner, what the Commission is doing with
respect to the Charter amendment in this project, this project is
approved, shall we say because it meets the Charter requirements. It
meets all the other requirements that were approved. And the
Department, and Urban Development Review Board, and thc Zoning Board•
previously recommended this application.
Father Gibson: No, I'm not talking about...
Mayor Ferre: Father let me...let me explain.
Father Gibson: No, no, let me explain. Did we...we approved this
based on what we were told, these are the particular' provisions. All rigrt?
You added and subtracted. In my book, I have to have it all or not...
Mr. Whipple: IrL our opinion, (COMMENT INAUDIBLE)
Father Gibson: All or none. Put it all in there and I want to
consider it as a whole package or not.
Mrs. Gordon: You reduce `it to writing and give me the approved...
that were approved and the eliminations that have-beeneliminated today,
and then I'11 be ready to take an action.
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yor' Ferre: ' 'rather may I 'address this issue
Mayor.Ferre:'.These people came to theCity of Miami and went through
the PAD';process. They went up before an architectural board and a
board that reviewed this whole thing, and they, in effect. as is
permitted under that process negotiated certain things that they gave
and got. Then it was approved and finalized,and they went up before,
as I recall, the Zoning Board, with the approval of the Planning Department,
of the Board, and then, finally the Zoning Board, and when they came
before us, the vote, as I recall, went 3-2. and you and Mrs. Gordon
voting against it. Now, as I recall, your words at that time was,
that you thought it was unfair to pass an amendment to be placed on the
Charter, and then not within an hour apply...and not apply it to these
same people. Now, the reason I took a different...
Mr. Plummer: No, that'snot quite...I don't think the two of us have to
speak for Father, but I recall Father's words, it was because an ordinance
was also passed.
Rev. Gibson: Right
Mayor Ferre: I stand corrected. I'm glad you interrupted me to correct
it, J. L. Now, based on that,statement...now, I' disagreed because,
technically, this project complied with the ordinance as it was drafted
at that time. And the reason is that is said, "A 50 foot setback from
the seawall or the bulkhead line, whichever is greater. The greater
was the bulkhead line. It, therefore, complied. And secondly, with
regards to the see through provision, it said"25% of the waterfront as
determined by the major thorough -fare in a straight line:' The major
thorough -fare was Brickell Avenue. The straight line would give that
dimension as 200 feet, since they had one side yard as 51 feet setback,
obviously, that was more than 50 feet required by the wording, and there-
fore, they complied and so I voted for it. Now, the day before yesterday,
or 3 days ago, when the City Commission at 1:30 in the morning, or 2 o'clock
in the morning, whatever it was, voted for putting this item on the
Septemher'18th ballot, with a reworded on...as it was reworded at the
following Zoning meeting,which was the next day, at the end of that
zoning meeting, as I'm entitled to, under the Charter, I therefore,
reversed my vote by calling it up for reconsideration. And, that's why
this matter is before us. Now, the reason why I didn't wait, until` as
we stated then, August the 28th, is because these people, in good faith,
within 2 days, took the problems that they had in accordance to what
we are passir.g, hopefully, on September 18th, and immediately amended
their building so that they are in compliance. That is the only
reason that I voted for reconsideration. And, since I was the one
who voted for reconsideration, I therefore, pass the gavel over to
Commissioner Plummer and, therefore, vote that this matter be approved,
as presented...
Mrs. Gordon: I have questions...
mayor Ferre: ...if .you will let me finish,.; as presented before us today,
with the amendments made to the, project as submitted. Plummer,I so;',
move.
Mrs. Gordon: I have questions.
Mr. Plummer: Well, wait a minute, hold
Mr. _ Lacasa:
second that motion.
Mr. Plummer: Motion made and 'duly seconded. Mrs. Gordon.
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:Meg. .Gordon: I'd like to call attention to the fact this project is
still a great deal out of balance to what the zoning requirements are,
and I call your attention, at least to the fact that the 50 foot that's
being offered is still 40 foot less than what the zoning requires •
for this classification. 90 foot is the required. The number of
variances that are included in this under the terminology of a PAD are
not consistent, in my opinion, with the use of a PAD because it is,
in effect, truly, just variances and nothing else. There is only one
area here where the PAD includes a bonus, and that is a very minor part
of it for the accessory parking sturcture. I find nothing so dramatically
great about this application today that requires an approval. I voted
against it before, and I will maintain that this project is not the
best project that could be placed on this property.
Mr. Plummer: Any further discussion?
Mayor Ferre: Yes, My difference with that is, that it is not
up to the City of Miami Commission to unduly exert its policing power
in a confiscatory way. Mrs. Gordon was a strong proponet of, and a
supporter of the PAD approach to design. We have placed on a very
prestigious board...I don't know, Glen, are you still a member of that?
We have here, Mr. Glen Buff, former President of the South Florida Chapter
of the AIA, in conjunction with other distinguished architects, who
reviewed, and engineers, and landscape architects, and planners, who have
carefully reviewed this process. And, it is...it is as Father Gibson
continually says, and with good justification, if we place boards, and we
give them the responsiblity of doing these things...and we went through
the whole PAD process, and we have people like Glen Bluff and other who
are part of that process , and it goes to the Zoning Board and gets
approved by them. And it comes to us approved as a PAD, by the Department,
by the Board, and by the PAD planning process. Then, we turn around
and we say that it is not the best project that could go on that piece
of property. And, it seems to me, that that is inconsistent with the
basic tenure and premise of the PAD process. Therefore, Mr. Chairman,
I think that this is...
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Lacasa.
Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Traurig.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Lacasa to be recognized.
Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Traurig, I have a question. Would these proposed changes
that you are, applying for now, would insure the development of the. project'
to the satisfaction of the developer?
Traurig; The answer is yes,
'Mr. Plummer: Mrs. Gordon, Mrs. Gordon'
Mrs. Gordon: I'm taking exception to the Mayor's expertise,., duly-;
developed on planning and zoning. I think he'swrong` in ' a number of
the statments he's made but I don't wish to be argumentive I'll take
my position, he can take his.
Father Gibson: I want everybody to understand that
project, remember that.
Mr. Traurig: I do, sir. You complimented the project and you voted against
it, notwithstanding, your concern..your consideration of the equities and:
the aesthetics of the project.
never was this
Father Gibson: I was opposed to the fact that we were demanding a
(FATHER GIBSON MADE STATEMENT OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC RECORD. STATEMENT
DID NOT GET RECORDED)
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Father Gibson:...And then,
a 50 foot setback. I said
cannot afford to rum this
by crises. Isn't that the
Mr: Plummer: That's it.
it the midst of it, we want to
then, and I'm going to say now,
City by...what is that term you
term used?
demand
this Commission
always use?...
Father Gibson: I just want to make sure I'm using the right term.
That, I opposed then, I oppose now... that we should have made a study.
We should have decided...found out how many pieces of the land were
affected. How many pieces of land could meet such a requirement, how
many pieces of land could meet a 30 foot requirement. What I'm trying
to tell you sir, is you don't need, in my book, because you, you presented
in good faith. You asked in good faith the Commission of this City to
permit you to develop the project. We said yes. All of a sudden, one
man in the community, one man in the community, decides that you are
denying us the privilege of seeing the baby. We aren't going to see it
anyway because most of us arrive in our cars, and if you ever get your
eyes off the wheel, you going straight and it aint going to be to heaven.
Mr. Plummer: Speak for yourself.
Father Gibson: You know, it just angers me that this whole community,
whole community is topsy-turvy, emotionally involved. We are talking
about the economy of people. We are at the point where.. Rose and`I were....
were on the... what is that market up there where you go to borrow money?
Mrs. Gordon: Stock market? Wall Street?
Mr. Plummer: The money market.
Father Gibson: Yea, up on Wall Street. You know, most people upthere
have 'to look at us and say we are a bunch of fools. Yes, we go to
them, and a man goes to them and says, you know, I have a good project,
here it is, there it is and you know and all those things. They say, o.k.
we'll lend you. And, then all of a sudden, some guy comes up and...
one man, decides that we ought to setback 50 feet from the water,
and all of those things. It made me madder than hell this morning.
because I think I have enough sense... and, incidentally, I have enough
equity in this community than most people that have been born and lived
here, 64 years ago. You aren't going to get rid of me man, I'm going to
be here. I just wish that you know where I stand. I believe that if we
had gone and have a cut-off day of proceedings.. for plans and all that
business...but we are not doing that anymore, you would have doing that
anymore, you would have been fair to this business community. I don't want
anybody to do it to me and I promise to you that as long as I have my sound mind.
I'm not going to do it to anybody else.
So, sir, you and I are not at odds, O.K. I want everybody to know.
Mr. Traurig: No, sir.
Mr. Plummer: -Any, further discussion. Would you repeat
Nr, Ongie: The motion is as presented on this date, 7-27-79
Mayor Ferre: ' Approve it`•
Mr. Plummer: Wuldn't
Mr.Ongie: Yes, sir,
a":better terminology
will have to,.when
be '!be ;'approved, as revised?'
I write note; identify,it.
Mr. Plummer: All right. No further discussions Call the roll.;
the motion, please
JUL 2 7 1979
The following resolution was introduced by Mayor Ferre,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 79-470
A RESOLUTION GRANTING A PETITION FOR A PLANNED
AREA DEVELOPMENT (PAD) ON LOTS 5 THROUGH 11
AND PORTION OF LOTS 4 AND 13, GIFFORD AND
HIGHLEYMAN SUB (3-38), AND LOTS 40, 41, AND 41
AND PORTION OF 39,.BLOCK B, FLAGLER (5-54)
BEING 1541 BRICKELL AVENUE, CONSISTING OF A
39-STORY APARTMEt'T STRUCTURE AND A 2-LEVEL
PARKING STRUCTURE WITH 254 DWELLING UNITS, WITH
THE FOLLOWING DEVIATIONS FROM THE EXISTING
R-5A ZONING DISTRICT: FOR THE PRINCIPLE
STRUCTURE: A) SIDE YARD - 64' & 78'
PROVIDED (178.02' REQUIRED) B) REAR YARD
50' PROVIDED (90' REQUIRED) C) F.A.R.
2.35 PROVIDED (2.2 PERMITTED PLUS .15 BONUS):
FOR THE ACCESSORY PARKING STRUCTURE: A)
SIDE YARD - 20' & 51' PROVIDED (89' REQUIRED)
B) REAR YARD - 50' PROVIDED (88' REQUIRED)
C) HEIGHT - 21.03 PROVIDED (12 FEET PERMITTED)
D) LOT COVERAGE - 44.46% PROVIDED (28.24%
PERMITTED) AS PER PLANS ON FILE, AS PER ORDINANCE
NO. 6871, ARTICLE XXI-I, ZONED R-5A (HIGH
DENSITY MULTIPLE)
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here
file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the
passed and adopted by the following vote:
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
*Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Vice -Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.
ABSENT: None
COMMENTS ON THE
**Commissioner Rose Gordon
ABOVE:
*Father Gibson: I'm'going to vote yes, only because:I don'
deny this man. This man came here in good faith,
To change the rule in the middle of the stream, to me, is
**Mrs. Gordon:As previously stated, I vote no.
Mayor Ferre: Before we drop this subject, counsellor, to you and your
clients, my apologies for the inconvenience of losing four days. And.
I hope that the swiftness and the thoroughness with which you move,
would set a very good example and tenure for other projects who...to
show that this is not such an onerous, awful, doomsday situation, and-.
that the compliance is not something that is unbearable.
Mr. Traurig: Mr. Mayor, on behalf of my client, he thanks this Commission.
We support the .:oncept of the 50 foot setback. We are happy to have
been able to comply.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Traurig, for the record, so I don't have to force
another vote, will you stipulate for the record, that this four -day` delay
that in no way you will hold this City liable.
Mr. Traurig: We so stipulate. We won't even file a suit.
Mayor Ferre: All right. At this time, just for the purpose of getting the
discussion going again, based on the previous...previous experience „,of the
case that we just heard, I would like to...Mr. Plummer, pass the gavel to
you...
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2. DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED '?ATERFRONT AMENDMENT REGULATION
SETBACK AND BUILDING PLACEMENT
Mr. Plummer: I'll tell you that gavel has travelled more in the last
two weeks. Would you give a gavel too, and then don't have to throw
it back.? One of these times he's going to do it intentionally, and
hit me in the head.
Mayor Ferre:...and make the following motion, that in Resolution 70-...
79-558...no let...let me stand corrected on that, R-79-564, that we
strike the remaining part of the paragraph. The last paragraph on page
3. And, paragraph 3 is underlined starting after the word thereon on
the third line. So, that it will read as follows. "Nothing herein
contained shall in any manner affect or apply to the City of Miami -University
of Miami James L. Knight International Center and Hotel facility, including
all improvements thereon." And, strike the rest of that paragraph.
I so move.
Mr. Plummer: Motion made, is there a second? Is there a second?_
Is there a second? Motion dies for the lack. of a second.
s there anything else to come up before this Commission. .
Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute. I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor. Back.up.:.
Mrs. Gordon: Yes, there is Mr. Mayor. In regards to the same
paragraph...
Mr. Plummer: No Rose. Excuse me. The power of the chair, of the gavel,
went to my head. If no one else will second the motion, I will, okay?
Mayor Ferre: That means you've got to pass the gavel to Father Gibson.
Mr. Plummer: Now, that means I've got to give
Mayor Ferre: To Rose.
Mr. Plummer: Here
Mrs. Gordon: Just let me get my papers in the right sequence and I have
some questions to ask. First of all, the motion now, is to strike
everything after the James L. Knight International Center and Hotel
facility, including all improvements thereon O.k. So, the striking
that you're recommending is everything after that, which...which are
giving no conditions or any, any consideration for projects that are
on the drawing board, ready for a permit. In fact, you are causing
a moratorium to be placed upon those properties. Is that correct?
Mayor Ferre: No, that is not correct. And, if you'll. recognize me,
I'll tell you why.
Mrs. Gordon:
Oh boy, is this great!.
. Plummer: Oh, is this going to be a long day.
Mayor Ferre: Enjoy i
while you can. It won't be...It won't be for. long.
Mrs. Gordon: Wow, circumstance
See, I'm a lady.
Mayor Ferre:
Mrs. Gordon:
works beautifully. I'-11recognize:you.
Will the Chair recognize me?
recognize you
said I'm a lady.
Mayor Ferre: This Charter Amendment Number. 2, as it's presently
constituted,specifically states that there is a very clear, definite
definitive, and purposefull way in which any reasonable developer can
either comply with or give comparable benefits to the City which would
promote a better urban enviroment. The purpose of this amendment is
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not the whim of one man, or one newspaper, or one editor, because
that one editor, that one man certainly he doesn't speak, I don't
think, for. J. L. Plumter, Who just seconded the motion.
Mr.:Plummer: No, J. L. will speak when you're finished.
•
Mayor Ferret ...andpertainly doesn't speak for me and hasn't spoken
on many occasions.. I think that there is justice in what has been
proposed. I think, what has been proposed is reasonable. I think what
is being proposed has merit. I don't think it is onerous. I don't
think it is a doomsday. I don't think it will stop the development
of downtown , just like it didn't stop the development of Harry Hammsley's
project. And, I want to read into the record, again. Because the wording
is so important." The above setback and side yard requirements may be
modified by the City Commission,"right here, after design and site
plan review, and public hearing, only if it is determined that the
modifications requested provide public benefits, such as direct public
access, public walkways, plaza dedications, covered parking up to the
flood plane level, or .aaamparablebenefits which promote a better urban
environment, and public advantages, or which preserve natural features."
The English language could not be clearer. This wording has been
discussed with attorney Robert Traurig, who's here present today.
Marty Fine, attorney Aronovitz, Alfred Aronovitz attorney Murray Dubbin;
Attorney Block. I have talked to the 5 attorneys and another attorney
that I don't remember who represents one of the people that are involved.
I have talked to Ted Gould, as late as this morning. I have
talked to Mr. Charlie Cheezam, I have talked to Ted Hollo and those
5 attorneys. Those attorneys recognized the implication and the
reality of the wording. Mr. 1)an Paul, the originator, along with Mrs.
Gordon, of this idea, and who promoted this for several weeks -
one of them, and the other one is still promoting it-, very specifically
recognized that what he was trying to do could not be chiseled in stone.
It could not. There is no way that we could have passed what Dan Paul,
and Mrs. Gordon in a letter...in a memorandum to the Manager, with an
attached letter from Dan Paul, dated in early June, could have been
acceptable, in my opinion, to this Commission because there would have
been no way to deal with reality. This is a responsible way to do what
the Miami Herald Editorial Department, what Dan Paul, and what at one
time Mrs. Gordon wanted to do. I plead with Mrs. Gordon that she
recognize the reality of that, that we not get involved in politics in
this process, and that she vote with the motion because it speaks in
a responsible way to her original intention.
JUL 2 7 1979
Mayor Ferre: and I have no problems along with the Miami Herald of
recognizing that Mrs. Gordon served a great purpose to the welfare .of this
community by being the midwife of this project. I have no problems with that.
Mrs. Gordon: 1 don't have no objection to your being midhusband. S
Mayor Ferre:
Mrs. Gordon:
Mayor Ferre:
Mrs. Gordon:
Mayor Ferre:
can.
Fine. And there...
want to ask you, if you are finished..
Would you let me finish?
I'm asking you if you are finished.
No, if you will let me finish I will conclude as'quickly as
Mrs. Gordon: Yes and,I would appreciate it if you will contain your remarks
to your own person and your own position and let me speak my position for
myself. I'm perfectly capable of doing that, Mr. Ferre.
Mayor Ferre: Therefore, I don't think that there has to be any kind of a
panic. I do not think that this will in anyway doom any of these projects
just like it didn't doom the Hemmsley project. However, these people, these
developers, these property owners have got to face the reality that this
community does not want another concrete wall like Collins Avenue. Now, that
may be fine for the 1940s and the 1950s, but I want to see the first Miamian
who enjoys driving down Collins Avenue knowing that he or she is one hundred
yards away from the sea shore and not able to see the sea for two consecutive
miles. We already have projects that have begun on the bay side and that have
been completed that may be a hundred or five hundred or six hundred feet wide.
where not only can one not see the bay or the water from the road, one cannot
see it unless one goes up a hundred feet. And therefore, I think that we have
to put something in that would state the philosophy of this Commission in
our constitution. There are those who say that this should be done through
the zoning process by the Commission. The little waterfront that we have
left and there are not more than twenty or thirty pieces of developable
properties that we have left, are a unique heritage to this community. And
I think it is not an onerous thing to put upon property owners, of which by
the way, I happen to be one that have developable property on the waterfront.
And I don't think that it is in any way an imposition, that I am not in any way
going to be penalized, that I am in no way going to be hurt by complying with
something as simple as a fifty foot setback or a percentage setback if the
property depth is less than two hundred feet and with a see —through provision
which can be reasonably lived with and I think that we should not let ourselves
be swayed by scare tactics or scare threats that do not in these cold
analysis as we have seen with theaemmsley Project stand up under scrutiny.
Thank you, Mrs. Gordon.
Mrs. Gordon: You are very welcome. Question. First of all a question that
I need to ask of the department. How long would it take... I don't know if
Mr. Salmon is here or not, Building Department. Mr. Grassie, I need to kngq
and I think a lot of people here would want to know, how long does it take to
process a set of plansfor a highrise building through the department?
Mr. Grassie:
Mrs.
Simply for
Gordon: Yes.
a permit, Commissioner?
Mr. Grassie: No longer than about ten days.
Mrs. Gordon: For
be done on it?
M
. Grassie:
all of the neessary inspections and everything that have
A simple permit -application ten days,
o two weeks.
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Mrs. Gordon: For a highrise building?
Mr. Grassie: For a.highrise building.
Mrs. Gordon: Ok. Now, the question is whether or not Watson Island is
going to be affected by this, Mr. Ferre, are you willing to answer that
question?
Mayor Ferre:- Are youaskingme a question?
Mrs. Gordon; Yes.
Mayor Ferre: Watson Island is not in any way excepted as you can clearly see.
The sense of this motion specifically says that there is only one exception
and that exception is the James L. Knight International Center.
Mrs. Gordon: Ok, thank you, for answering the question. When this passes,
if it passes on September the 18th, when is it effective?
Mayor Ferre: Immediately.
Mrs. Gordon:
of obtaining
Immediately? Ok. How many projects are currently at the stage
a building permit, Mr. Fosmoen? Or Mr. Whipple?
Mr. Whipple: At the present time we have the Brickell Biscayne which1 you
just acted upon, we have Forte Plaza in on a permit, we have Claughton
island coming in on a permit.
•
Mrs. Gordon: Wait a minute, go slowly because I want to be able to mark down
what you are saying. Beginning again with the one we just passed and then
what?
Mr. Whipple: Forte Plaza, I believe, has been permitted so that (NOT USING
THE MICROPHONE). Now, I'm not sure they have, but I believe they have.
Forte Plaza on the Bay of Southeast 12th Street and South Bayshore Drive.
Mrs. Gordon: 12th Street and Bayshore. You say they either have just obtained
it or are about to obtain it?
Mrs. Gordon: And if this passes today what happens to them?
Mr. Whipple: I would have to defer to the legal department on that also
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Knox?
(BACKGROUND COMMENTS OFF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Mr. Whipple: In addition to holding a permit, they have also been approved
through the proper channels as a RCD (NOT USING THE MICROPHONE) recommended
by the Urban Development Review Board, passed by the Zoning Board. Pursuant
to that they either have obtained or will have probably obtain building
permits.
Mrs. Gordon: No, that didn't come before us though.
Mr. Whipple: No, Ma'am.
lyirs. Gordon: Why is it that the previous one came before us for a PAD and that
one is a PAD and is not coming before us? Why?
Mr. Whipple: No, I did not say it was the planned area development
Mrs. Gordon: What did you say?
Mr. Whipple: I say it was a RCD, zoning district. (NOT USING THE MICROPHONE)
Mrs. Gordon: Ok, I understand. That was the incentive zoning
motivator of putting into place back in 1972, I believe it was
1109hat is now a beautiful, probably the most beautiful street
Brickell Avenue. I take great pride,ladies and gentlemans, in
that I was the person deeply interested in the preservatiOn of
that I was the
, which resulted
in Miami,
telling you know
the amenities
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of this community as well as the waterfront. And like I said,our Mayor
am very happy he is converted now* but has never had an interest at all in
the preservation of anything.
Mayor Ferre: I thought you were going to speak for yourself and not for me.
Mrs. Gordon: I am but, you did a nice speech on me. I only gave you a little
tiny one. Okay, what's the next project Mr. Whipple?
Mr. Whipple: The next I have on my list here is Claughton Island. Their
Plat has basically been approved. They are ready to pull the permit on the first
structure on the island. The permit to the best of my knowledge has not been issued
but could be issued within the permitting process time.
Mrs. Gordon: You mean within ten days? What do you mean the permitting;
process time?
Mr. Whipple: It will be in I would say within two
from the owner/developers of the property.
Mr
weeks from what I
Gordon: You are talking about what project? Claughton Island?
Mr. Whipple: Claughton Island.:
s. Gordon: Ok, and how many units are affected on
Mr
Mr. Whipple: On this first phase I.believe
hundred.
understand
that?
there is approximately four
Mrs. Gordon: You are saying that four hundred units then are... would have to
be redesigned. Is that correct? Would it need a redesign? Is it within the
fifty feet? It's not within the fifty feet? What is it?
Mr. Whipple: We have not reviewed it from,, that standpoint.
units originally approved by this commission.
Mrs. Gordon: And that one of course, would be
is that correct?
Mr. Whipple: It may be,
Mrs._Gordon: Ok. I want'the Mayor to heed my words because the Mayor has to
recognize,; you know, you can't pass something on the pretense of being concerned
about preservation of the,' open space and still permit variance to be obtained
by only a majority of three Commissioners. If in fact you wish to retain
the essence of this'amendment that you wish to place on the ballot without any
exceptions, then ',you should be willing to pass an ordinance which says that a
zoning variance on any waterfront land must take a total five votes of this
Commission, then yo'i have something that really would have some teeth in it.
Otherwise, what you are doing is strictly a political move today and recent
dates where you have called all these very special emergency meetings. In
fact.Mr. Mayor, sometimes I think you are so desperate to publicize your new
found interest on our waterfront lands, I expect you to show up in an aqualung
atone of these so-called emergency meetings you keep calling.
Mr. Plummer: Can I be recognized?
Mrs. Gordon: One more minute J. L., I haven't gotten all the projects that
I need to have in order to do a total analysis in my mind of where we are,,
where we are going and how many people and how many projects are going to be
in jeopardy and... you know, this is a very serious thing we are doing and
I am very concerned about the preservation of the waterfront and everyone
here knows that. But I'm also interested in not upsetting the economy of
this community.' And I have to weigh the two in a reasonable manner so that
when we come up with the final answer we are not going to do something we
will be sorry for. Go ahead Mr. Whipple, I need some more information.
Mr. Whipple:There are some people here to speak on Claughton Island and some who
will want to respond to the Ball Point development. I do not have answers as to
timetables nor possible impact...there is one at 801 Venetian Way. I do not know
if they are under construction at this time. That was previously processed by the
Zoning Board and the City Commission, there is also the "Light Key Trait" at 30th
and Biscayne Bay, and the last one_is-one dept.—previously mentioned; that being
the Port of Miami which because ofTits configuration and loading probiems with respect
to passengers and freight terminals could be impacted by this ordinance. Thats all I
could think of at this time.
J U L 2 7 1979
Mrs. Gordon: Alright, those are the one that are currently in the mill, but only,
of those you said, there were only two who are ready for permitting. Is that correct?
And that was the Claughton Island and the Forte Plaza. The others you did not know what
the status of permitting is. Now, I would make
Mrs. Gordon: Which one was that Whipple? The
Mr. Whipple: (NOT USING MICROPHONE, THEREFORE STATEMENT IS INAUDIBLE).;
Mrs. Gordon: But none of those are in the total completed working, drawing
stage, right?
Mr. Whipple (NOT USING MICROPHONE, THEREFORE STATEMENT IS INAUDIBLE).
Mrs. Gordon: Ok. Well, there are a number of projects which we don't know
the time element on them, but we certainly know that there are two whose
permitting is almost imminent and that would be the Forte Plaza and Claughton
development. I would suggest if this Commission were to be so inclined the
majority were to be inclined to p.o with this recommendation, that it be
inserted in here that projects that the City has issued a building permit
prior to September the 18th, possible effective date, at least,that would
give some time for the obtaining of a permit of those project which have
gone through all the expensive development schemes that have had to take place.
That is a recommendation and the second recommendation would be where the
variance factor is included in this amendment. That it be amended, that it
require five affirmative votes to grant an amendment... to grant the variance.
last one was which one?
Mayor Ferre: As the maker of the motion, may I reply?
Mrs. Gordon: Yes, I'm offering it as a suggestion. I am holding the gavel,;
so I'm not able to make the motion. It's a recommendation. Go ahead..
Mayor Ferre: May I discuss...
Mrs. Gordon: Go ahead.
Mayor Ferre: I don't have any problem with your first one Rose, because in
effect, that's factually so anyway. There is no way under retroactivity.
That's what I keep saying, there is no use crying wolf because there is no
wolf. On September 18th if this becomes law, it becomes law. Now, up until
September 18th this Government, this Legislative body and no court in the land
can force anybody to comply with something that simply doesn't exist in the
law until September 18th. There is no provisions for retroactivity. So I've.; got
no problems with that, because that under the law,and Mr. Knox, please correct
me because I'm not a lawyer and you are}and you are our City Attorney. As I
understand it that's the facto in this provision anyway. So I have got no
problems in spelling it out if you think that makes the people feel a
little bit smoother on that.
Mrs. Gordon: But that goes together with the variance factor which is to.
require that on waterfront amendments or variances, that a full Commission
approval must be obtained. Otherwise,...
Mayor Ferre: And now let me speak to that. Now, to your second point. I
read an article yesterday or the day before yesterday and I forget whether it
was in the local paper or where, but it was in regards to that cue box
in--- somewhere in Ohio. I think it's Columbus, Ohio where they put in nine
thousand little machines on your television set and as you watch television
a question is asked and you respond immediately, ok. And it referred to the
reaction on the President's speech. And the questions that that article
raised were these. What would have happened if the people of the United States
were asked to respond to our involvement in the Vietnamese War in the beginning
of the second to the third year? What would the majority opinion had been?
In favor of the war, I assume. What would the majority of the people I asked..
and I see Mr. T. Willard Fair here.. what would the majority of the people
have voted if they had been asked on a little box watching the President
speak in 1963 and 1964 and 1965, whether or not they would have voted for
the civil rights legislation that was passed by the Congress of this Country?
And the reason is because we live, thank God in a Republican form of Government.
This is a Republic. This is not a straight democratcy. Our Democratic form
of Government is a Republican structure. There are a lot of things that are
absolutely necessarily done under the process that we have. It's the best
form of Government known to man. If you set up an administrative body or
legislative body that requires unanimity in Congress, in the Legislature of
the State of Florida, then what in effect you are doing is giving veto power -to
the whims of one person and that is simply unacceptable in a Republican form
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of Government. That is not our form. That is not the way this system works
and therefore based on that Mrs. Gordon, I would just say to you Ma'am and to
those who are doubters, that you have got to have a little bit more faith
in the form of Government that your country has, that it does work. Sometimes
not well and sometimes people are impatient. But the way you solve those
problems is not by an edict and not by veto power and where you get the
dictatorship of one person, but rather through an electoral process. There
is nothing wrong with politics. The political process functions in the long
run. If you have faith in the will of the people, if you have faith in their
judgment, then you let the people select who is going to make these decisions,
whether it be at Congress or in State Government or in the local House and
let the majority of this Comnissionlas the majority of the Metro Commission.
or the majority of the House of Representatives in Tallahassee,or the majority
of Congress,make these decisions. That's our form of Government andltherefore,
I really as the maker of this motion cannot accept that second amendment.
Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor?
Mrs. Gordon: Go ahead Father.
Rev. Gibson: (COMMENT INAUDIBLE)... and played the game by the rule. What
really, really bothers me, hurts my very soul is that we are not willing, we
are not willing to let these people continue and pursue what they have started
(INAUDIBLE). I think that for us to do what is being advocated here...
I shall; always remember Elizabeth Virrick. For us to do what is being advocated
here I'll be doggone if I understand how we are goine to be able to sleep tonight
under the blanket or under the sheet or anything else. We said to the people
"these are the rules'. The people have come in and said "ok, these
are the rules, we'are going to keep them". Are they entitled to ((INAUDIBLE).
Again, I said that if you do not like what you now have, you should have
notified the public. You would have said to the public "as of October 1 or
September 1 if you don't have you Project completed, you can forget it. We are
going to take other measures or we are going to change the rule of the game."
To be forewarned is to be forearmed.' These people have not been forworr. What
really bothers me further is several of the people, were here on Tuesday who
left here thinking that this is what we were going,to live with. Those people
have not been notified and I'm not going to let you say to me what my assistant
said to me. She said "well, there is a (INAUDIBLE)". I said "I don't give a
happy hoot". Some people don't read the paper. Martin Luther King said...
in his time he said "if you want to hide (INAUDIBLE)". Now, I think that if
you had said to each person who is developing a project, this is what we are
going to talk about today, this will be the final word (INAUDIBLE). And I
shouldn't be here pleading the cause of development, because if that newspaper
article, is right, I'm not in the ball game and I have nothing to gain. But I
have a sense of fair play, I have a sense of fair, play. And before we vote
by having all the Commissioners giving their position...;` you see that man over
there? Sir, what's your name? You were here the other night pleading with us,
telling us what the Chamber and the people in the community had said...
Chapman: 'Mr. Chapman.
Rev. Gibson: Mr. Chapman. Before we even dare vote, I hope we will give that
man an opportunity. Again, I happen to be one of the people up here who believes
if you don't need a Board get rid of it. If you aren't going to pay that
Board no mind don't appoint it. Now, you may not want to do what they tell you
to do, but you darn sure ought to listen to them, because if you don't listen
to them then you (INAUDIBLE). Now, I have voiced nine and I want to tell you,
I'm among others who up here oppose' the change, I believe that the Godlike thing
to do is to make it possible for those who have invested and went under the
assumption and the law, that they ought to be protected. I think that's the
only fair, right and Godlike thing to do. Otherwise, I tell you,gentlemen,
you really worry me. I won't be able to sleep. Gentlemen and ladies, there
is the midwife as they say.
Mr., Plummer: If I can be recognized. My good friend Father Gibson, this is
what makes,I.guess, this a pretty good Commission. We have a diversity of
opinion. From the word "go" at the time that we were hurriedly forced into
today is the vote and I think that's now about a month_ago_or else. it was. my
opinion at that time and still remains at this time and thank God that there has
been a little reasoning put into the thinking behind these ordinances or
these proposed Charter Amendments of giving flexibility. And I think that
flexibility today exists in these Charter Amendments which did not in the
original proposal. Some people will accuse that they have been watered down,
some will accuse they have been compromised, but I would like to believe that
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they are now reasonabl4twhich we can live with. Using any one project as
an example and I will use Tibor, he is here and he is very outspoken and would
refute anything I had to say anyhow if he thought it was wrong. I don't
know how anybody in their reasonable mind would think that J. L. Plummer
would change his vote as it relates to Plaza Venetia. If you will look
at these ordinances one of the things is giving up an amenity in which then
the flexibility comes into play. I think it was one member other than myself
on this Commission who said to Mr. Hollo, "you are not going to get that
project unless you give up a walkway in the front so the people can enjoy the
water." And Mr. Hollo in his wisdom did such, wisdom was he wasn't going to
win otherwise. And I want to put it on the record right here and now, I am
in favor of this amendment, it has the flexibility. I voted for Mr. Hollo's
.project before and if it is not altered with exactly the same, I'm going to
vote for it again, because that flexibility is there and will be exercised.
That applies to Mr. Gould whose project I voted for before, who's nroiect now
is before this Commission or will beland he has offered up the walkway. I am
going to vote for that one again, I don't want anybody to have any misunderstanding.
I voted for Claughton Island and Claughton Island gave up a number of things,
not just the walkway all the way around the island, he gave up the space for
a park, he gave up space for a fire station, he gave up a number of things
that he did not have in his original proposal. And if that project comes
back before us, if this thing passes on the 18th, I'm going to vote for that
project again.
Mrs. Gordon: You mean variances, J. L.?
Mr. Plummer: Variances, yes, Rose. I want it understood, you know. that I
was in favor of those projects before, I think each and.every one of them_eave
up something for the betterment of this community and unless those projects
change radically, I'm going to vote for them again, so I don't want no mis-
understanding, if and when this Charter change passes and these matters come
back before this Commission. I don't want any misunderstanding. Of course,
as always you reserve the right if they make changes that you have the same
opportunity to make changes. I want to put on the record that I really have
no problem if it were to include no exemptions at all. No exemptions at all,
I could live with that because the same flexibility is there on the James L.
Knight Center as they do on the others and I guess really what I'm saying is
that there are going to be those fingers who are going to be pointed. That
you only exempted them because the Miami Herald is involved and I don't think
that's true. I think that that thing is etched in concrete not literally,
but physically the concrete is down. I don't know of any time when you would
put forth Charter referendum changes that it is not going to affect somebody
some way. It's got to affect some people, someway. If you want to use
Claughton Island for the example. I remember with pride when I could talk to
Ed Claughton,some three years ago begging him to please dedicate the ground
breaking of that property on the first day of January 1976, as symbolic of
part of the Bicentennial ground breaking that this City was designated as one
of the four in the United States. What I'm really saying is we operate on
variances in this City and sometimes people take the word "variances" as a
dirty word and I guess in some cases there have been abuses. But I think
variances are the very thing that allow the flexibility where when Allan Morris
came before this Commission and he asked for a variance to go a little bit
higher, one member of this Commission said "ok, you want to go a little bit
higher and you want a variance, what are you going to give us?"
(BACKGROUND COMMENT INAUDIBLE)
Mr. Plummer:' Well, I don't want to
knows that it was Rose, you know.
Mrs. Gordon:
situation.
get into personalities Father, everybody,
That was a transfer of development rights though, that was a
different
Mr. Plummer: Rose, it was a flexibility of not abiding by the book, whether
you call it a variance, call it what you want. It was allowing this Commission
that flexibility to say "ok, you give up something and we will give up a little
something." You see, if we didn't have that vehicle, if we didn't have that
procedure we would never have any zoning hearings. We would never have any
hearings before this Commission. Here is the book you abide by it or don't
forget. I don't believe in that. I believe in the five people who are elected,
whether it's myself in this present Commission or some other Commission, that
they have got to have a certain flexibility and reasonableness for orderly
development, not by a book. My mother is in the hospital right now and let me
tell you what that doctor said, my mother has extended beyond limits which she was
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)ever supposed to do. And he said you know, my mother threw the book out
five years ago because it doesn't apply and when you try to apply the book,
it don't work. And really the same thing here, the book don't work. We have
got a book. We change that book once a year and we make changes. Look what
we did in the radical, radical changes that we made in the Coconut Grove
rezoning that never existed before and we gave and indefinitely said "here is
incentives, we want you to make a good project and if you will do such, we
will show a little flexibility." All I'm really saying is number one, there
is no moratorium with this proposal. There is no moratorium either the 18th
it becomes law or it doesn't and anything that is filed prior to that date
it's in the books. If it should pass and those projects don't wish or cannot
comply and they come back before this Commission and those projects that we
previously passed without any great exceptions, I want you to know that I was
in favor of them then and I am in favor of them now. So I just wanted to put
that into the record so nobody misunderstands me.
Rev. Gibson: Let me ask a question....
Mrs. Gordon:
Rev. Gibson: ..."Plummer, because this is your field. The businessman
feels and rightly so.. (INAUDIBLE). What happens if you, Lacasa, Ferre
Rose are not here?
Mr. Plummer: You will make Solomon -like decisions, Father.
Rev. Gibson: The point I make is..
The point I make is wewho are here
in which we are going to follow.:
be of ' that same line. What happens
that he had or a good proportion of
presently serving do not return?
always
and
I want the public tohear"what"I'msaying.
nowware willing to pledge "a certain direction
The `people who may succeed ;you may, no
to the businessman who'h"as invested all
what he had in the event' a"majority of us
Mr. Plummer: Father, it was asked of me... you know, I listened very well
the other day to one man who spoke here and I gain... he really went up in my
estimation and that was Marshall Harris. You know, I want to tell you that, that
man said"don't believe that we don't, have faith in our children', Now, Father
let me put it in another way. Father, what happens if another Commission came
before in... you know, November you get four new members and that four decided
they didn't like what was going on in November 7th. Father there is nothing
to preclude them from stopping and having the same ball park.
Rev. Gibson: I will tell you this, I'm not a lawyer, but they would have the
same standing in the court;:. though. Isn't that.right Counsel? For whom we pay
big salary, isn't that right George?
Rev. Gibson: Oh, "well, .I
raise a question,Plutmner.
Mr. Plummer: My remark was that if four new Commissioners were elected in
November and they didnot like the laws that were presently on the books, that
they could in fact change the rules and stop all of these projects anyhow.
Mr.`Knox:" Well, .they may not be
stop the projects.
Rev. Gibson: My question is would we or would those people have the same
standingin court? The answer is "no".
Mr. Plummer: Well, Father, you know, look at it right now. These people, ok,
there is not a question in my mind that-- using Ted Hollo for the example --
if Ted Bollo's,project is put into jeopardy where he has expended money on the
good faith of this Commission and on the 18th he is no longer able to do that
project, I think he would have every right in the world to go to court and
sue this Commission and recover any damages that he might have incurred because
he traveled on the good faith of this Commission.
Rev. Gibson: Beautiful, then I say,why make hips go to court and spend the
money You could,ease his mind by making him a part of the law which excludes
him and then he does not have the fear or trepidation to deal with it, that's the
point I make . I'm glad you said that.
Mrs. Gordon: I have a question. J. L., you have been very honest in your
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approach to how you intend to handle the situation even though you wish to
exclude all the exceptions that have been placed in here and I would like
everybody to know that when we voted on this the other day and I asked if there
were any changes from the original draft. I was told absolutely not and then
after I voted and was ready to leave, I was told oh, yes, and there was another
one included called "including Plaza Venetia Phase II resolution so and so
and so, but that's simply to say that'you know, that you were an after thought
into this thing, that you came about at a very late moment in time and that prior to
thatsyou were not included, Mr. Rollo, into the exceptions. J. L., you were...
have been honest in your approach, you said and you said it right on the
public record, you are going to be granting variances. Mayor Ferre, are you
going to be granting variances without any reservations as to those that have
been approved projects?
Mayor Ferre: I'm glad you gave me the floor and the opportunity to speak.
Mrs. Gordon: But please, not for a half hour.
Mayor Ferre: Mrs. Gordon, you and I have served on this Commission together
for six years. I. think you have served well until the last few months. In
every single waterfront issue that requires leasing or development including
Watson...'
Mrs.'. Gordon: Why don't you answer the question I asked you?
Mayor Ferre: I have the floor Mrs....
Mrs. Gordon:
variances?
Mayor Ferre:
Mrs. Gordon:
question.
The answer was a simple one.
Mrs. Gordon,- I don't want to debate you at this time.
I call you out of order,Mr. Mayor, you are not speaking to
Mayor Ferre: I am not out of order.
the floor away from Me arbitrarily.
I asked you,will you vote for'
I have the floor, and you
Mrs. Gordon: But you are stillout of order. Oh
from
Mayor Ferre:
Mrs. Gordon:
Mayor Ferre:
Mrs: Gordon:
Mayor Ferre:
cut you off
Mrs: Gordon:
many a time.
I. -have never done that in=six years.
the
the
cannot take
yes, you will take
Oh, yes, str,you havevery_frequently.
Mrs. Gordon, you know;: that', that's another one o
Stay on the subject of the':_ question.
Would you let me finish my statement
from speaking and saying what you want.:
your
away
exaggerations.
n six years I have
Yes, you have Mr. Mayor, and there are ;witnesses
Mayor Ferre: You are wrong Mrs. Gordon and you know it.
finish my statement?
never
to that fact,
Would you let'`=me
Mrs. Gordon: Not if you are going off the subject of the question.
are going off on a tangent then you can speaklater, but not now.
Mayor Ferre: Mrs. Gordon, wouldyou let me finish
started?
Mrs. Gordon:
Mayor Ferre:
Mrs. Gordon:
Mayor Ferree.
If it's not on the subject..
If- ;you.
the statement that . I'°''
n the last six. years. you;: havevoted for every waterfront
ou are out of order Mr. Mayor. Mr. 'Mayor, you are out of
ou have voted eight times.'
lease.
order.
JUL w 7 1979
Mrs. Gordon: I tell you, you are out of order.
Mayor Ferre:
Mrs. Gordon::` Mr.'Mayor, yuu are out of order.
...Wi11 you let me finish?
Mayor Ferre
Mrs. Gordon: No,'1 will not,
question which indicates"...
Mayor Ferre: You did not let me
you are out of order, you did not answer..the
answer it..
Mrs. ..you did not answer the question you went way; off in a tangent.
Mayor Ferre: I will answer it if`you permit me,the;privilege.of,remaining on
this microphone to answer your question.
Gordon:
In Watson Island you voted eight times...
Mayor Ferre: ...I intend in the past and in the future to be reasonable about
the laws that come before the City of Miami Commission and about the projects
that come before us. It is my opinion that we cannot be unreasonable to the
point where we absolutely stymie the health, welfare and progress of this com-
munity. .I reserve the right, as I always have, to vote on all issues before
this Commission as I see them. Now, I have voted in the past,just like you
have voted in the past,for different projects in different ways and I reserve
that same right for the future.
Mrs. Gordon: Okay, the answer is then that this....
Mayor Ferre: I have answered, Mrs. Gordon, and I don't need you to put words
in my mouth, my answer speaks for itself.
Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Mayor, if I interpret your answer,
waterfront amendment has absolutely no value whether
of the City of Miami because you will have absolutely
varying the setbacks or anything else relating to the
herein.
Mayor Ferre: Those are your words, Mrs. Gordon, and
wish, for political reasons, to interpret it. Now, I
of this Commission and I reserve the right to do my
voting and I don't need you to interpret or put words
try to do, especially near election time.
Mrs. Gordon: Well, if you'll just answer the. question, I will appreciate it.
Mayor Ferre: Mrs. Gordon, you are not adictator, you cannot tell me
a question "yes or no ...
Mrs. Gordon: I'm'holding the Chair right now.
to answer
Mayor'Ferre: ..you have to;give me a reasonable opportunity.. to answerin
reasonable way, you"can'.t'cut me off like that,:that's just:not"done..
Mrs. Gordon: Then stick to the issue but don't godeviating around in:.a;number
of other things because' you are going to get off'into a tangent,'as usual:,..'
During this time that you have continually voted for. these. leases,
a pattern, it is unfortunate that.blind ambition
Mayor Ferre:
you have set
Mrs. --Gordon:
you Will'not
Mayor
a;.
Mr. Mayor, you are out of, order and;I will not have you proceed because
answer the question, will you answer...?
Mrs. Gordon: Will you answer whether or not you will vote for the variances
that 'Mr. Plummer so honestly admitted that he would do?
it tells me that this
it is passed by the voters
no qualms at all about
issues that are contained
that is the way that you
am a duly elected member
own thinking and my own
in my mouth as you always
Mrs. Gordon:' Does anyone here wish -to speak, Mrs. Rockafellar, Mr. Hollo, Mr.
Chapman, Mr. Gould, Mr. Traurig, okay, will the Clerk please make a list of
those persons who wish to speak to that they may come forward in an orderly
fashion? Do you want to speak first, Grace?
Mrs. Grace Rockafellar, I am the President of the N.E. Improvement Association. and the
N.E. Taxpayers' Association, spealSrlg as a private citizen, addressed the Commission.
4.1. JUL 2 ? 1975
PUBLIC SPEAKERS' PORTION OF THE ITEM
Mrs. Grace Rockafellar appeared in front of the City Commission and stated
the proposed amendments were not only to affect the Downtown Miami area but
also the outlying districts. She firmly stated their position and belief
that there should not be a moratorium on those developers who have come so
many times in front of the City Commission and have followed every single rule and
regulations, and those of all pertinent Boards as well. She stated the amendments
were an "abomination" and would cause the instant destruction of the City
of Miami
Mrs. Rockafellar stated however, that it would be more acceptable if
they were to exclude and exempt everybody who has something in the works or
will have something in the works prior to the September 18th ballot
Mr. Ray Goode, President of the Chamber of Commerce, appeared in front of the
City Commission on behalf of the Chamber. Also present were members of the
Chamber's New World Action Committee. He stated that it was very important
for the City of Miami to create an image and a reputation that the City is in
fact open for business so that private capital will come down, be invested and
help to enlarge the economic base of the City as well as provide most needed
jobs. He also pointed out that most important of all was government's attitude
stating it should be one of stability at all times so that investors would not
fear. He stated the Chamber was very much opposed to the "Mayor's suggested
motion on this day". Further, he stated investors had their basic financing
lined up in at least "two super critical project for the future of this com-
munity". Financing institutions should perceive Miami's national image as one
of "stability", not "instability", that a decision, once made on the part of
government, should never be changed in the middle of the game, further stating
that we need to be steadfast and inmovable in our decisions, not only for the
Downtown Miami but also so that the City would be perceived nationally as a
stable ground for investments.
Mr. Alvah Chapman, speaking as Chairman of the New World Action Committee of
the Chamber of Commerce, addressed the Commission. He made four points in
his speech: 1) that the Mayor had said that if this passes on September 18th,
the Commission "may" grant approval those ongoing projects, by the same token
though, the Commission "may not" grant approval to those ongoing projects which
are the main reason of his presence here today. Point 2), that Mr. Gould was
in the process of closing a $112,000,000 construction loan for his project.
His (Mr. Gould's) words to Mr. Nestor to be relayed to this Commission is that
if the amendment which was proposed is acted upon by the Commission it would
prove "devastating" to his ability to close the construction loan for the Ball
Point Project, and he was totally opposed to this great act of instability on
the part of the Commission. Point 3) that this was an exciting time in the
history of our community, a lot of things were happening but that progress was
a very "fragile progress" inasmuch as a single referendum issue could "freeze"
loans and cause gigantic losses as was the case recently when the county
referendum caused them to miss the sale of some $70,000,000 in county bonds for
projects which were on the tracks and moving along. He further stated that
if the Commission took action that would delay Mr. Gould's project or Claughton
Island, we could well stop the "momentum" that we have, because developers
will find inflation will have increased their costs dramatically. Finally,
point 4) that there is a question of responsibility and stability of govern-
ment in this community. He stated the Commission, on two occasions within the
last week, had voted 4 to 1 to exempt the ongoing projects and now, they were
considering the same change.
He urged the Commission "to not tamper with the progress of this community
which is so fragile and which we all have worked so hard to generate." "Do not
destroy the progress by changing a stable orderly progress and let's continue
to exempt the several ongoing projects that have already received your approval,"
Mr. Tibor Hollo appeared in front of the City Commission and informed the Com-
mission that his lender, the second largest mortgage lender in this country
and who had already financed Phase I for Plaza Venetia, called a meeting yesterday
who had heard of "what was going on" in Miami, acid inquired as to what would
happen if Plaza Venetia could not go on as it had been approved many years ago.
Mr. Hollo responded that he would then have to redesign it and it could probably
take maybe 7, 8, 9 months to do so, at which time he would come back to them
again and say "this is what I have now." The lender responded: "I wouldn't
bother if I were you," because the current events point to great political
instability in the City of Miami. He further stated that he agreed with Mr.
Gould in that it would create a "devastating effect." That funding would be
terribly difficult and funds is what represents "labor" and represents "em-
Jill " 71975
ployment".
Mr. Robert H. Traurig appeared on behalf of Claughton Island. Important
were, in his opinion, not only "the dynamic growth of the City and the
continuity of that growth, and the stimulation of that growth" but also
basic fairness and equity and the legal implications of what the Commission
proposes to do." Specifically speaking on Claughton Island he pointed out
that this project was rather unique and would take many years to finish. He
stated that the owners, after first checking with the City -who gave them
the "go"- spent $17,000,000 to purchase the Island plus have poured so far
close approximately 2 million more into general overhead and architectural,
engineering and landplanning fees; that they had merely finished the plans
for Phase I of the project. He felt that even if all projects were "grand -
fathered in" that had permits issued through September l8th, the Commission
would not be granfathering in all of the future projects that will would be
built as part of the overall plan which the Commission approved long ago.
Therefore, multi -phase projects had to be considered differently, since
future phases of this project would have to follow the very complicated
process of review on a phase by phase basis by the City's Planning Department.
At the end of his lengthy statement he reiterated that institutional lenders
would not have faith in City regulations because they would constantly fear
they could be changed, therefore projecting instability in the City's govern-
ment.. He stated the good faith of the City of Miami was at stake.
Mr Traurig told the Commission they had expended millions of dollars in
this project, that they knew they had rights under equitable estopple, that
they knew they had vested rights, and that if they were ever denied as the
result of actions taken by governmental bodies, after having achieved those
rights, that they would probably have a very good lawsuit. He stated, however,
they didn't want any lawsuit. He urged the Commission not to take precipitous
action on a project that had been so thoroughly reviewed, he further urged them
to show the good faith which they had shown in the past.
Mr. Ron Nestor, Vice President of Holywell Corporation, appeared on behalf of
the Ball Point project. He stated that when they first came down to Miami, they
examined the laws under which they would have operate and found this to be an
exciting, open City, that they were proud of the Ball Point project and they
had committed to obtain and had actually gotten financing in the total amount
of $112,000,000 approximately. He laboriously enumerated all the procedures
they had gone through and the numerous rules and regulations they had complied
with and ended by saying that if the proposed change in the wording would pass
tonight, the institutional lenders would not lend them the money to commence
construction. He pointed out that the credibility of the City government was
at stake and appealed to the Commission's sense of fairness and justice and asked
that the motion be voted down.
Mr. Robert Livingston. Attorney for Holywell Corporation, handed to the City
Attorney for distribution to ele City Commission a written statement.
Ms. Suzanne Claughton Mathew, owner of the fifty percent interest in Claughton
Island, addressed the Commission. She stated that they had followed all the
rules and regulations and had been innumerable times in front of the City Com-
mission stating they had been asked by the City time after time, to go back to
the drawing board. She finally stated that the City should play by the rules.
Mrs. Gordon: Mrs. Mathews, question to you. You said you agree with Mr.
Plummer. He was speaking for the amendment.
Mrs. Mathews: I agreed with his statements. I disagree with his position.
I think you all are creating a great deal of red tape for yourselves; too,
incidently,because we'll be down here, time after time, after time, again
with every. little building that we try to put over there.
Mrs. Gordon: You're talking...
Mrs. Matthews: And, I feel...you all can tell, I'm shaking, I'm nervous.
I'm in illustrous company here with these big corporations and soforth.
I consider Ed and myself the neighborhood kids on the block. And, we
are hanging on by our coattails, and we are hanging on for dear life. I
don't know how much longer our funds can hang in there. We're paying you
all whopping taxes, incidently. And, he tells me we've got enough to
cover one more year. If we don't get something started this year, you're
liable to have our end of the island on the courthouse steps.
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Mrs. Gordon: Well, we sure hope that never happens. What you are saying,
is you -don't want'the variance route or any of the special ...
Mrs. Matthews: I; certainly don't think it should apply to any, current,
project." I'-m,willingto give the benefit of the doubt to the ,people .who
come: along behind us, that may have to get a variance. But,'I don't
think it's fair that our project or the other people that have spoken here`
today should come under that.
Mrs. "Gordon: These that are already being excepted in the present
amendment that we passed on the 24th, excludes the current projects that
have been given approval by the City Commission prior to the election date.
You're speaking in favor of that and speaking against removing that portion
and going the route of variances later on.
Mrs. Matthews: Right.
Mrs. Matthews:.
Mrs. Gordon: Sure.
Mrs. Matthews: I. had my daughter down here with me early Monday evening.
We couldn't: stag for the hearing that came later. She's a new voter.
She went home;so:.disenchanted with the behavior of some of you members
of the Commission; and Maurice, pardon me, Mr. Mayor, I've known him
a while. You have to pay attention. You have to get off that phone,
you have to 'Pay attention. And, Commissioner Plummer, I'm a smoker too, and
if you can smoke in here. I want to smoke in here.
Thapk y.ou'`for the clarification.
may I:add one thing?
Mr. Plummer: There's no
Mrs. Matthews: You're sitting in back of°the`sign. I thought Commissioner.
Caine; .took care of that= for all of us.
Mrs. Gordon:,
t says no smoking"on the sign.
Mrs. Matthews:But, it makes it very difficult to get your point across
and specifically,;there'.was a young black inan trying to speak the
other. night on the Liberty City issue. And, I felt so sorry for that kid
because' he was°doing a good job, and I don't know how many of you heard
a word he said." But,.I. was disappointed -for my daughter. It was her
first view of her government in action, so to speak, and she got so mad..
she's "only 19. She. wants;to run for the Commission.
Mrs. Gordon: Oh, I` encourage her, tell her I do.
Mrs. `Matthews : Thank you.
Mrs. Gordon: Anyone else?
for the question.
Mayor Ferre: I call the question, Madame Chairman.
Mrs. Gordon:
Mr. clerk.
motion....would
Mr. `Ongie r The motion would modify Resolution 79-564. It would strike
the remainder of paragraph 3 beginning, with the word"thereon"contained
herein. It would permit...Mr. Mayor,did you accept the amendment that
Mrs.Gordon suggested about the projects that have already been issued...?
No, it's not necessary. That is not necessary.
Mr.";Ongie: 0.k. It will just be as I stated then. Everything would be
stricken after"James L. Knight.Conference/Convention Center."
Mayor Ferre: Call the queston.
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Mrs. Gordon: Call the roll.
THEREUPON,THE FOREGOING MOTION was introduced by Mayor Fere
and seconded by Commissioner Plummer and defeated by the follotdng vote:
AYES:'.' *Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
***Vice -Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr.`
NOES: **Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
**** Commissioner Armando Lacasa
***** Commissioner Rose Gordon
ABSENT: None
COMMENTS ON THE ABOVE:
*Mayor Ferre: In voting, let me remind my colleague to the right, of the
statement madein an editorial...in a newspaper this morning, that reminding
her that she should keep faith with her own proposal by voting to
eliminate the exceptions. I submit to the record, a June 20th memorandum,
to Mr. Bob Homan, signed by Rose Gordon, which specifically reads in the
title page, "Proposed City of Miami:Charter Amendments", which speaks to the
50 foot setback and 25% see through. In my opinion then, and now, both
this and the other amendment proposed, were and are totally irresponsible
amendments. However, after one month of work by many, many people,
including the original drafter of that language, Mr.' Dan Paul, the matter
that is now before us is a reasonable approach to a difficult problem.
At any time along the life of Miami Beach, any one of the developers in
Miami Beach could have made the very same statements that were made today.
The fact is -and that's why it was so important, to me, to have Harry
Hemmsley's project come before us - that this is not an onerous, unreasonable
and undoable thing. It is appropriate, it is proper, it is reasonable,
we are not by doing this, scaring anybody out of anything. And, I don't think,
that this will in any way affect the property owners who have millions of
dollars invested, and will invest millions of dollars more, in properly
developing the waterfront property in private hands. What it will insure,
however, is that we avoid the duplication of what's sadly was `a lack
of foresight on the part of our counterparts in Miami Beach 20 year ago,
when they permitted the construction of projects on waterfront property
that completely walled off the ocean from the public. What we are trying
to do, is not to take away a right from a property owner, but under the
police powers that the Constitution grants us, to give us the type of
reasonable restraint that would make for a better community. Reasonable
restraint. And, that also includes the ability to weigh, to defer, to change,
to alter, to give variances. There is nothing wrong with that process.
You cannot eliminate that. There is nothing that is absolutely fixed in
stone when you're dealing with pieces of property, all of which are unique,
and each different from the other. Government must have that flexibility.
I submit to you, that this is a reasonable alternative, and I vote for it.
**Father Gibson: I live;by a: very simple philosophy. Mine is not
complicated. I believe in doing to others as I would have them to do to
me. If I wouldn't want them to do it to me, I wouldn't do it to them.
Or, I wouldn't do it because these are my friends. Even if I could get
away with it or get by,;1 will not do it. I believe in having people
trust me.
When I was going through the process ot having the home I now live in
built, I called the electrician and I said to him, I want you to wire
my house because I don't have time to do it. And, then I said you
and`I are friends. I trust you. Make sure they way you wire this house
is the way you wire your own and until you are satisfied I won't be
satisfied. I believe in honor, I believe in a mans honor and in his
integrity. Whoever comes here to me as a member of the public, I represent
you as a public official. I believe I have every right and obligation, since
I believe you have entrusted me with sacred trust.
I have to sleep at night. I walk around in the community and even with all
these troubles "I have never been afraid to go around in the community
because I think everybody who knew me knew that I believed in what I
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was saying and I was trying to do what I thought. To be right, just and. fair,
I would hope that only I would (Inaudible)............,,.,
I hope the members of the Comnnission today demonstrate to the world,
because they are looking at us, that they can come to Miami,, trust us th
people in Miami and go home satisfied they have friends. They need not'
be afraid or ashamed.
Well then, I hope we'll defeat this motion, ashame, and; I" hope
my fellow Commissioners will feel the same way, will join me and: not let
me down, and not bring any shame or disgrace on this town. So, therefore
I vote against the motion.
***Mr. Plummer: My only regret is that the final deadline is August the
3rd and further changes could occur. I` wonder. You know, the final word
is not, what we do here today. The final word is going to be the people
of this community. I' just wonder if there is maybe some fear the.
people of this community might say that they want something different.
I have no fear. I say to you, that the people of this community have
the right to speak. I think in the past they have spoken well. They
have been able to pick through bond issues, as you will recall, and pass
some things and deny others. And, I don't have any fear, that the people
of this community will speak in an intelligent fashion. They will make ".
the right decision for what they want in their community. With that,
I vote yes.
****Mr. Lacasa: To me, this is a question of perception. I don't have
any doubt that if this amendment would have, in itself certain
retroactive effects of the nature we have been discussing here today,
and even if it were passed with the flexibility given to this City
Commission, -I feel that this City Commission would be more than reasonable
in considering every ir.dividual case. And, I don't have any doubts,
consequently, that the valid on -going projects that we have now, would
be approved. However, as I said before, to me it is a question of the
credibility of this governmental body. It's a question that goes even
beyond the legal implications. I do feel that there could be a
tremendous impact in the attitude that financial institutions would,
in the future, take concerning the possibility of investment in projects
of this nature in the City of Miami. I believe that it could affect
potential investors that might now, be considering coming down here or
might consider such in the future. And consequently, in order to preserve
that credibility, I vote, no.
*****Mrs. Gordon:' O.k. First of all, I need to clear the record. On
June the 25th, 1979 under the Committee of the Whole, which is not a period
of time where we take action, but we have discussion only, there was an
item number D which said...excuse me, number F which said discussion
of a Charter Amendment to be proposed. That was all that was on the
agenda for the day regarding the discussion of that. Now, I would like to
say, that I...Rose Gordon, as you all know, I'm a City of Miami Commissioner,
I'm totally embarrassed that the Mayor has called a special meeting without
properly notifying the public, again. My original intention was to insure
the waterfront. Our most important natural resource. I brought forth a
proposal to be properly planned and researched and not to be set up for an
immediate special election. It was`never my intention to have this on
September the 18th. This was another thing that the Mayor wished to do.
I have been a long time resident of Miami. I have been a business woman,
a realtor, President of the Miami Board of Realtors currently. For 25 years I have
been serving the economic and investment needs of this community and I
fully understand what it means to begin a project, to get into the stage
of obtaining approval from numerous governmental agencies. To obtain
financing and then have the rug pulled out from under. I feel that
the Mayorhas once again, misused and abused his power over the people of
this City. I do not believe in going through the back door when you cannot
get through 'the front door. And, the variance approach, as stated by
Mr. Plummer,indicates the back door approach, which the Mayor agrees with.
Variance should only be granted when there is a hardship in the size,
in the shape, or the location of a piece of property. Variances are
not a tool to grant special privileges. By including the projects which
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have been approved by City Commission, the land and the completed projects
which are ready for permitting prior to September 18th, by development order,
as stated in this ordinance that we passed on the 24th is reasonable.
I cannot find any purpose in the Mayor calling this meeting today to once
again flip-flop in his position. That could have been taken care of
the night before last. We did not have to be back here again. You
have other things to do and so do I. And, I would rather be doing other
things than spending the past 31 hours here on this subject, once again.
And, I have a very sincere feeling that this is not the last that the
Mayor is going to let you hear of it. That you'll be back here again
before the 3rd. Maybe with the aqualung. I don't know. At any rate,
Mr. Clerk, you can record me voting no because I can see it as a
subterfuge for granting variances which have no legal standing.
Mayor Ferre: My name is Maurice Ferre, and I disagree. Thismeeting-
is adjourned. •
ADJOURNMENT.
There being no further business to come before the City Commission,
on motion duly made and seconded, the meeting was adjourned at 3:40 P.M.
ATTEST:
RALPH G. ONGIE.
City Clerk
MATTY HIRAI
Assistant City Clerk
2'7
MAURICE A. FERRE
Mayor
JUL 2 71979
C "Inf' OF MIAMI
DOCUMENT
INDE
MEETING DATE:
July 27, 1979
ITEM NO DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION
COMMISSION RETRIEVAL
ACTION CODE NO.
1
GRANTING A PETITION FOR A PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT
(PAD) ON LOTS 5 THROUGH 11 AND PORTION OF LOTS 4 AND 13
GIFFORD AND HIGHLEYMAN SUB.
(AMENDED RESOLUTION, USING NUMBER OF ORIGINAL RESOLUTION
FROM JUNE26, 1979)
R-79-470
79-470