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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC 1979-09-25 MinutesGITY OF MIAIKI SPECIAL C 0 M MISS I ON MINUTES OF MEETING HELD ON September 25, 1979 PREPARED BY THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK CITY HALL RALPH G.. ON(3IE CITY CLERK 1 lIQD C1iY� i�� IIMERSRme, (SPECIAL) September 25, 1979 SUBJECT PUBLIC HEARING: SOCIAL SERVICE FUNDING FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING FUNDS INANCE0Fj sou rIoN No, PAGE ND. Motion 79-635 1-50 MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION OP MIAMI * * * * * * * * On the 25th day of September, 1979, the City Commission of Miami, Florida, met at its regular meeting place in said City in Special Session to consider business of public import. The meeting was called to order at 8:07 o'clock A.M. by Mayor Maurice A. Ferre with the following members of the Commission present: Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner Armando Lacasa Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson Vice -Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre ALSO PRESENT:` An invocation Joseph R. Grassie, City Manager R. L. Fosmoen, Assistant City Manager George F. Knox, City Attorney Ralph G. Ongie, City Clerk Matty Hirai, Assistant City Clerk was delivered by Reverend Theodore R. Gibson, then led those present in a pledge of allegiance to the flag. who 1. PUBLIC HEARING: SOCIAL SERVICE FUNDING FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING FUNDS Mr. Plummer: Ladies and gentleman, the reason that this meeting was called was the time for the Administration go back and to develop a sixth option. If you are not familar, it was proposed this year that five hundred twenty-three thousand six hundred odd dollars be dedicated to Social Service Programs. This Commission at it's last Commission Meeting told the Administration that the five options were not quite what the Commission was looking for and asked the Administration to go back and to adopt with some guidelines of this Commission a sixth option. The Commission has all been furnished with a copy of the Sixth Option. Mr. Grassie, are there copies available to the public? Mr. Grassie: Yes,cthere are Commissioner. Mr. Plummer: Alright, Mr. Grassie, let's turn it over to you or whoever you designate for a few minutes of explanation on Option Six and then I would assume we will then go forth with testimony from the public. Mr. Mayor, I think this wouldbe a good time. I was going to bring to your attention and that of the rest of the Commission, as your designate I have been sitting for two days on the Tax Reform Commission. I'm going to circulate this which is asked to be filled out by all speakers who wish to testify. It would alleviate a lot of problems and maybe this Commission would like to adopt. I would once ask that Mr. Grassie has completed any people who would like to testify here this evening, give your name to the Clerk after Mr. Grassie has finished so that we can run an orderly process and call on you in due time. Taking the prerogative, Mr. Mayor would we like to set that a five minute time frame... does anyone feel that their presentation would take more than five minutes without being repetitious?Mr. Grassie will proceed once he has completed... Mayor Ferre: J. L.,'let 's;find out howmany speakers... how many people wish to be heard tonight? Raise your hands please. gl SEP 2 5 1979 Mk. Plummer: Fourteen is what I read, Mr. Mayor. Now, there might be some late people.. Mayor Ferret Fourteen times five that's at hour and ten minutes. Does anybody need to speak more than three minutes? 'Raise your hands..' Anybody need to speak more than three minutes. Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor and membersof the Commission , I like what I see here with one exception. Mr. Plummer: Yes, sir. Rev. Gibson: I hope if we should adopt this as a method of procedure, that we will put a number on it and so that if you hold your hand up as the thirteenth person, you will be the thirteenth person to speak rather than do what I saw... don't ask me which, governmental agency, yesterday I saw this take place. You put your letter in a tray and if you got there at 2 o'clock God help you, those who got there at 2:30 or 3:00 o'clock were heard first. I want to make sure we establish that as a rule before you even get to this. And tonight I would hope that we would go clockwise and give these people a number and make sure... and adhere to that time so that you know, we won't stay all night repeating ourselves doing nothing. And I hope that will be taken with a lot of thought. Mr. Plummer: Father, that would have to have quite a bit of modification, that and particularly the one used by the Legislature. Commissioner Plummer Rev. Gibson: Mr. Plummer: I understand, but, he beginning is good. It's a step'" in the right direction. Rev. Gibson: Right, and just make sure... note what 1 said. ,"Put -a number.on " it so that #1, #2, #3, #4 and don't,,have people come here and;:say "well,""I'm repeatingwhat`;I saw yesterday. You ire to be on at 2 o'clock and.those:who came on at 3 O'clock... came in at 3, got on before the people whowere there at 2 o'clock got on, ok. Mayor Ferre: Why don't you the Clerk. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Grassie, you want to proceed with explaining that which you have furnished to us? Mr. Grassie: Mr. Mayor and members of the City Commission, in response to the comtnents of the City Commission at the last meeting, we have prepared another option for your consideration. I would like Dena Spillman to speak to that briefly and of course, answer any questions that you might have. Ms. Spillman: Mayor and members of the Commission, you have before you a City Commission Agenda which has two memorandums, one is on Federal Revenue Funds for Social Service Programs and the other one is a review and discussion of the City's Day Care Program. I will be discussing with you initially our recommendations for use of Federal Revenue Sharing Funds for Social Service Programs which is #1 on the agenda. You also have before you a packet that looks like this that has a list of agency names and a page number next to it. That is the information that Commissioner Gordon requested last week which is the funding... the total funding for each of the agencies. As Commissioner Plummer has already stated the last time we met on September 13th, you the Commission asked us to go back and come back to you with a new option for funding which we are now calling Option #6. We did follow the following guidelines in .recommending these programs to you. We only recommended existing programs, we did not recommend any new programs under Federal Revenue Sharing due to the budgetary problems which we are experiencing. So your recommendations tonight only deal with programs that are currently being funded under revenue sharing. What I'm going to discuss with you now and this is including Day Care, although I will not be discussing Day Care with you, represents a three hundred twenty-six thousand five hundred fifteen dollar deficit compared to the funds that we have available currently under FRS for Social Service Programming. If you look on page one of your memorandum you will find a chart which shows all the options including Cption #6. What I would like to do if it's acceptable to all of you, is explain the differences between Option #5, which we discussed rather thoroughly and Option #6 which we are going to be discussing this evening. gl 2 SE c 2 F 1979 Is that acceptable? Alright, under Option #15 the last time we had recommended funding for various agencies with certain small cuts that we felt they could have absorded into their budget. We have kept those recomnenc:ations the same For example, Accion Community Center currently funded at thirty thousand dollars is being recommended for funding at twenty-seven thousand dollars. You will note that Belafonte Tacolcy Youth Vocational Program and the Belafonte Talcocy Sports Development Program are not recommended for funding at all. And I would like to take a few minutes to go into the reasoning on both of these recommendations. The Sports Development Program currently receives eleven thousand dollars in Federal Revenue Sharing Funds from the City. No fulltime staff are associated with this program. The people who work under this program are part-time and have another job, so noone would be unemployed as a result of this action. The City also funds a fifty thousand dollars sports program at Talcocy under the Community Development Program and we feel that with our assistance the FRS Sports Program can be joined with Community Development Program and the same functions can be provided with the fifty thousand dollars that is currently being provided. One of the problems that. exists with this program and I don't know if Otis Pitts is here or not, is the. boundaries. He has discussed this with me before under Community Development and we have told him that this can be dealt with. So our recommendation is based on the fact that we feel the program can be absorded. We feel the sane number of children can be served and we also feel that in light of our budget problems because this is not a program for the elderly nor a food program, nor a child care program, it may be of a lesser priority to you. Again, I say it may be. Mrs. Gordon: Question Dena, about the prevention of delinquency that the, sports development type ,of program offers to young people and that appears to me to be pretty up in,ithe.priority position. Ms. Spillman: No,.I agree.: completely; that at program of this nature does` have a great affect on juvenile delinquency., Mrs. Gordon: Prevention. Ms. Spillman: Right.`; I.think however thatwe can amalgamate it into the;., existing program; that the point... I think the same services can be offered throught Tacolcy. without this funding. Mayor Ferre: Into what program would you amalgamate` the Tacolcy Program itself? it. You are talking about Ms. Spillman: Tacolcy currently recieves fifty thousand dollars from.the Community Development Program for a Sports Development Program. Now, it is not the same program as Dr. Ferguson here is representing. However, we feel the same function can be accommodated. And that's the basis of our recommendation.: Now, I would like to continue, unless you have any further questions. Mrs. Gordon: You can continue because we will ask questions, but later,.,,. when we want to know the differences and whether or not it really could o' whether that's, you know, a supposition that you are making. Ms. Spillman: Alright. Alright, the second recommendation for Belafonte is thatthe Youth Vocational Program not be funded also. I believe I. stated this at the last hearing. Our recommendations in all cases are not based on the quality of the program, it's based on budget problems and where we feel there maybe a duplication of services. Now, in this particular instance we are recommending that Community Schools be funded at Northwestern High School, Allapattah`Junior _High School and Edison Senior High School. Mrs, Gordon: Excuse me, Dena, did you skip over the day care? Ms. Spillman: Mrs. Gordon: I'm still at'Belafonte... alright, go ahead. r Ms. Spillman: It's third on your chart. We feel that this program is a duplication of services that are offered by the Dade County School Board, as you well know the School Board provides vocational training. We are also recommending the funding of three community schools in that particular neighborhood and the Community School Programs do provide some vocational training and counselling. So we feel it's a duplication of service and it can also be accommodated by existing programs. Under the Borinquen Health Care Center we are recommending a slight reduction in funding and Commissioner 1111111111 gl 3 SEP 2 5 1979 Gordon, I want to very clear this time. We are recommending funding for the Health Clinic itself . Mrs. Gordon. I understand. That is of that community is essential. Ms. Spillman: Alright, I wanted to think I: was the last time. Now, we Mrs. Gordon: The point is though, want some clarification of what it good use, because the health very clear on that because I don. are recommending.... the service that will be provided will be supplementing, ok. Ms. Spillman: Alright. The Catholic Service Bureau, the Overtown Day Care and Neighborhood Center we are recommending for funding at the samelevel as last year. I'm sorry, I skipped the Miami Bridge which is also recommended for funding at the same level as last year. The reason why; these two agencies were not recommended to be cut is because they havesuch small budgets to begin with that any cut would be the end of the program. We cut in programs that we felt were large enough to absorb the cut. The City Day Care issue will be discussed by Hr. Bond andMr. Howard after'I` get through with the private non-profit agencies. Mrs. Gordon: But it appears to me that we took a and had a motion by Commission to remove it from the Revenue Sharing Allocations and put it into the General Fund. Why is it back here? Mr. Grassier Commissioner, the Federal Revenue Sharing money really goes into the General Fund in it's majority. The discussions that we have had of Federal Revenue Sharing so far have included Day Care and you have it here so<.that 'you ,will have a complete picture. Now, you know, we can treat it either way. We can take the Federal Revenue Sharing money and put that for some other program in the general fund and then simply take General Fund money and put it for Day Care, but really you end up with the same dollars and since you have had this in the past presented together, we are bringing it to you so that you have the whole picture. Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Grassie, at the last hearing we made a motion, it passed unanimously, I believe, that Day Care be put into the General Budget so that the parents and children would never have to be concerned about the allocations of the Revenue Sharing from year to year and the suspense that accompanies that allocation of always a short amount of funds. That passed this body so therefore, in my opinion it doesn't belong here, it's just the two hundred thirteen thousand that is a needed amount was-- and the Clerk can correct me if I'm wrong--- was by a policy decision of this Commission removed from this consideration and placed in the General Fund. Mr. Grassie: Well, let me suggest a solution Commissioner, you will see at the end of the discussion that we are three hundred twenty-six thousand dollars over the Federal Revenue Sharing budget, so some of these items will have to come out of here and I would suggest to you that, simply, you know, that you identify this one as one to come out, that's all. It that simple. Mayor Ferre: Alright, continue. Ms.,Spillman: The reason that Day Care is shown here is because we had shown it in previous options and we wanted to be consistent basically. Again, that will be taken up as a separate item. As far as the Dade County School Programs go, we are recommending full funding for the After School Care Program which is almost two and a half times as much as we had recommended under Option #5 and we are recommending full funding for the Community School Program in the City of Miami. For the First United Methodist Church we are recommending funding at the same level as last year, the Industrial Home for the Blind the same level as last year. J.E.S.C.A.-Coconut Grove has been recommended for a slight increase over last year. However, we are decreasing J.E.S.C.A. in Culmer. So the amount of dollars that are going to J.E.S.C.A. from FRS will remain the same, we are just switching the neighborhoods due to need. The Little Havana Activity Center is being recommended for a slight cut of twelve hundred ninety dollars, the Miami Jewish Home and Hospital for the Aged and in Douglas Gardens is being recommended for a cut of six thousand two hundred sixty-nine dollars. Saint Alban's Day Nursery is being recommended at the same level as last year and administration remains constant at thirty-six thousand dollars. gl 4 SEP 2 5 1979 4 Mrs. Gordon: Why? Yt,. have administration this year and nothing Lq... ',•ar for the same line items. Ms. Spillman: Mrs. Gordon: Ms. Spillman:• Mrs. Gordon: I'm sorry Commissioner, where are you looking? Under administtation.in the first t.olumn. That should say twenty thousand dollars. t doesn't; say anything in the balances, :does it? Ms. Spillman:, I' know. It should say twenty thousand dollars. We my... I was involved in this last year,: but initially we had thirty tlousanc dollars allocated to us for administrative purposes and about six months into the fiscal year that money was used by the Commission for fundint of agc:.c_.cs and what resulted from that is a budget deficit in the Citizen Servic.o" Department. And I think that I discussed this with you at our budget hearings, if we do not receive administrative funds number one, we will be hampered in the work we can do at the agencies in terms of monitoring and evaluation. And two, we will have to fire at least two staff people who are cL:rently or. board. Mrs.•Gordon: You didn't do it last year though, you didn't fire anyone Ms. Spillman: That's why we have a budget deficit. Mrs. Gordon: How much is your budget deficit? Ms. Spillman: I believe it'ssixteen or eighteen thousand dollars Mayor Ferre: For the'full year? Ms. Spillman: Just for the FRS.;' Mayor Ferre:- Alright, go ahead. Ms. Spillman: Now, if you would. like... that's' the basic recommendation, I can go.i:.to, more detail with you if`you care to I think. that we discussed many of these the 'last time that we dismissed these programs.; Mayor Ferre: Alright, well, ;let''s:>get into questions from :.he Commissio._ to you and then wewill hear from Mr. Howard -and -then we will -go to the public portion of this.. Alright,.`. Mr. Plummer: Dena, what did we allocate last year to Mrs. Gordon:` What was your question J. L.? Mr. Plummer: What did we dedicate to the Useful Aged the Useful Aged?' last year? Ms. Spillman: The Useful Aged received no Federal Revenue Sharing Funds. from the City last year, they received CETA funds. I will tell you in a moment. It's on page nine of the attachment that I gave you. Useful Aged received approximately thirty thousand dollars. Mr. Plummer: Three positions? Ms. Spillman: Thirty thousand, it will be a little more than ree. Mrs. Gordon: Dena, the Jewish Home and Hospital for the Aged, the o1• Day Care Center that we are funding,,why are you reducing the budgetWheL normally:you would expect an increase because of inflation. Ms. Spillman: Well, Commissioner, we face that problem with .._I :ir agencies and we recognize that everyone is facing inflation, w, their budgets very carefully and in every instance I believe, discussed these cuts with the agencies. The Douglas Cardens c.Lt is recommended in three different areas that we do not feel an, �h. r'ar;'= responsibility. Again, it's certainly up to you to make that de .(.• ,n Mrs. Gordon: What is that? gl SEP 2 5 197 Ms. Spillman: The first area is in pension costs. Douglas Gardens is the only program for which the City out of FRS is paying pension costs. Ms. Spillman: To the employees, it's a line item in their budget. It's' only six hundred sixty-one dollars. We feel that it is inappropriate for us to be doing that for them when we fund these programs on a year to year basis. They also had a rather heavy budget in public relations and advertising which we all agree is very nice when we can afford it, but it's certainly not essential and we are recommending that it be reduced by thirteen hundred forty-four dollars Mrs. Gordon: Ms. Spillman: Two thousand fifteen hundred dollars, so it's a little more than half. Now, we understand, that they use this public relations and advertising mostlyto gain new clients for their program and ve don't feel this is a problem. We can certainly assist them in gaining new clients.. if that,is'a problem. and I'.m not. being facetious. I think it's a:very nice thing to;;do"'if you„can afford. it, we are just all facing budget' problems and they .will still 'have' some funds left for advertising. Mrs. Gordon: Well, it must be some other areas you are recommending because that doesn't add up to the six thousand. Yes, we are Iecommending; that the line item' for food' be Ms. Spillman: reduced. Mrs. Gordon: Ms. Spillman: Mayor Ferre:` Food es:. What are the reasoning behind that? Ms. Spillman: You all have to give me a moment to remember this. We were recommending that they keep giving the same number of meals, but that they reduce the cost per meal. Their food cost is the highest of any of the programs` that we fund in the City of Miami. And we have reviewed this with the Health and Rehabilitative Services Department in the County regarding kosher meals because we understand that the meals must be kosher. And they feel that a kosher meal maybe purchased from a dollar thirty-four to a dollar ninety. We are currently paying under this program approximately two dollars twenty-five cents. Mrs. Gordon: Does that include the snacks that they serve the people during.. Mrs. Gordon: Well, that has a cost factor too. Mayor Ferre: How much is the J.E.S.C.A and the Little Havana food cost per person. They are less than that. I can get those figures for you in a minute. There is a problem with the.'.. kosher meals are generally more expensive, we understand that, but we think they can be purchased for less and we also feel that the Douglas Gardens itself can subsidize the meals to a higher degree than they have been. It... Mayor Ferre: How much does that amount to? Ms. Spillman: Well, we would be cutting them from seventeen thousand fifty dollars in the food line to twelve thousand seven hundred ninety. Mayor Ferre: Ok, so that makes up the six thousand. Basically what it is, is food cost. Ms. Spillman: That's right. Now, I might add that we did discuss this with the agencies. There maybe other places where they could absorb the cut more easily and we could talk to them about that. However, from initial discussions we felt this was the best way that we could do it. Mayor Ferre: Ok, other questions? Other questions from Ms. Spillman? gl 6 SEP 2 = 194 Mr. Lacasa: Yes, I have a question. Dena, do we have any cuts in social service programs in CD funding from last year? Any programs that were funded with CD monies last year ,.that are not being funded this year. with CD monies? Ms. Spillman: No. In fact we added additional programs. Mr. Lacasa: So we have none? Ms. Spillman: No, but there is something I would like to discuss with you as long as you brought up Community Development, so you understand why Community Development does not show up in this recommendation. Nancy Bond is going to pass out to you the guidelines which must be followed under the Community Development Program for Social Service Programs. There are a lot of different guidelines. The basic one which applies here... I'm just going to go straight to #5 because it's the one that really applies for Federal Revenue Sharing. For a program which was funded under Federal Revenue Sharing for the previous twelve months period Community Development funds cannot be used to pick up this program. We have talked to the legal counsel in Jacksonville and they have informed us that the Secretary of the Treasury has determined that Federal Revenue Sharing Funds are local funds and as such cannot be replaced by Community Development Funds. Now, and Commissioner Lacasa to add to that, any program that was not funded under FRS during the previous twelve month period could be considered for Community. Development Funding if it tnet the other criteria that has to be met. Mr. Lacasa: Yes, but that was not my question. My question was the reverse This applies to no substitution of Federal Revenuemonies for City monies,' but what about substitution of City monies for Federal Revenue monies. In', other words, any programs that might have been funded under CD and that has been cut'' in this present budget now. Mr. Ms. Spillman Under Federal Revenue Sharing.' Lacasa: Under' CD, under' Community Development Spillman: o, we didn' cut any social services.: Mr. Lacasa: We have no changes in the CD monies. Ms. Spillman:' We added`. We '.added.' Mr. Lacasa: We added, so we have no programs that are being or reduced from CD allocations last year to this year. discontinued Ms. Spillman: Ok, the problem with discussing CD is that our fiscal year for Community Development runs from June to June, so I can't answer your question at this time. We will be reviewing the social service agencies funded under Community Development through December and in January and February we will be coming to you with our recommendations on Community Development. So at this point I can't respond to your question because I don't know whether we will be recommending any cuts or additional services.. Because we arejust starting.... Mr. Lacasa: But so far there has been no program that has been cut? Ms. Spillman: No It's a whole different ball of wax; really. Mayor Ferre: Further questions? Further questions of Dena Spillman? Mrs. Gordon: Yes, could we have that are being funded by CD? a list of the Social Service Programs Ms. Spillman: Yes, I have a list that I can pass outto,you which shows the social service agencies that are being funded currently'; through Federal Revenue Sharing, Community Development and CETA. Mrs. Gordon: That's fine. Ms. •Spillman: Now, the CETA will change after; October lst; because of the new allocations, but this will give you an idea of the City's commitment to the various programs. Mrs. Gordon: Ok. gl 7 SEF 2 1J19 r•.. Mayor Ferre: Further questions? Ms. Spillman, you want to pas:, that out and after we have an opportunity to look at it we will come back to Ms. Spillman. In the meantime let's get Mr. Al Howard to step forward and cover the Child Care--- Day Care Centers. Dena, we will come back to this. Give everybody the opportunity to look through this. Alright, Mr. Howard? Mr. Howard: Ok, as it shows on the sheet the funding now for Day Care would be a hundred seven thousand dollars for Federal Revenue Sharing Programs. With an increase in fee were actually lower than what we recommended last week. We would make an additional hundred thirty-five thousand dollars. We also have fifty thousand dollars from the trust and agency that was left from last year which would make up the supplement for the lost and Federal Revenue Sharing Programs. And it was approximately eighty thousand dollars from two. grants. Mrs. Gordon: What are you reading from Mr. Howard? Mr. Howard: I believe you have the sheets dated September 25th... Mayor Ferre: Yes, I have it, hut numbered, but is it. the " firs t? Mr. Howard: Mayor Ferre: One, two, three, the one that starts with Family and Per Child Subsidy City Progratn? At the top of the page. what page specifically? They Mr. Howard: What we have done is we have taken the gross family income to from zero to five thousand of which we would have approximately forty-two people and the fee would be 'eight fifty a week. Basically, the fee right now is seven fifty, so this is only an increase of one dollar. Anybody from five thousand to eight thousand nine ninety-nine would pay fifteen dollars, this is approximately doubled. There would be about fifty-one people- in this category. From nine thousand to twelve... Mayor Ferre: Mr. Howard: category Mayor Ferre: And how many children? you tell me that again, how many people? would be fifty-one people-- fifty-one Mr. Howard: Forty-two in the first one and fifty-one in the second one. In the third one nine thousand or twelve thousand of the twenty-one dollars there would be forty-six people. The next one to sixteen would be five people and they would be increased to twenty-six fifty. The next one from Mayor Ferre: Mr. Howard: Mayor Ferre• Is that family income or is that... That's family incase. Ok, go ahead. Mr. Howard: Sixteen to nineteen would be four and they would pay thirty three dollars. From twenty to twenty-four there is six and they would pay forty-one fifty, twenty-five to twenty-nine there is only one to pay fifty dollars and from thirty to thirty-five there would be one also of fifty-eight. What we have done is raised the top level and yet keeping the lower level very moderate to increase the fees, but with the hundred seven thousand dollars from Federal Revenue Sharing and the fifty thousand dollars that we have left over as a balance from last year along with the increase in the fees we have approximately the same amount of money that we had last year and we should have no interference with the program whatsoever. We are recommending however that we do have a registration fee of ten dollars for each child, but on a sliding scale for a second or third child there would only be five dollars. So this... Mrs. Gordon: What is the second child on this scale that you are showing us? Mr. Howard: On the actual payment per week there was no sliding scale each child would pay that amount of eight fifty or fifteen dollars whatever it maybe. The sliding... gl 8 SEP 2 i;�7C Mrs. Gordon: Excuse me, but someone having four children them would pay and if they are in the five thousand to eight nine ninety-nine class they would be paying sixty dollars a week. Mr. Howard; We have nobody in the Day Care right now with four children. We only have two families with three children now and eighteen families with two children. Mayor Ferre: But the question is still a valid question and :I think as. I understood what you are saying; you are talking about afee, it's not a weekly payment of five dollars. In other words, it's a one time fee. Mr. Howard: 1 o, that's a one time.. Mayor Ferre: In other words, it'sa one time fee.. that a child Suppose ,a family "has ' three children: and the ;one ,time fee would dollars..':: register.. be : twenty;' Mr. Howard: Twenty rather thanthirty dollars. Mayor Ferre: Alright, now, assuming how many weeks does the average~ child stay in the Day Care Program during the fiscal year? Mr. Howard: Usually it's an entire year, usually fifty weeks. Mayor Ferre: So if you take twenty dollars and divide it by fifty-two,.: you are talking about forty cents a week average for the three children. Is that correct? Mr. Howard: Approximately, yes. Mrs. Gordon: But. Mr. Mayor Ferre: it Howard let me give another... would be about fifteen cents per child per week? Mrs. Gordon: Another for instance, a family with three children earning at the maximum eight nine nintey-nine would be paying forty-five dollars a week out of a total income on that basis as a maximum dollar amount of that of only... out of let's say a hundred seventy-five dollars you would be paying forty-five. If they were making a hundred which is the lower end of the scale they would be still paying forty-five and they would have fifty- five dollars to take care of the family. Mr. Howard: We really tried to modify this and make it as fair as we possibly can in it's bracket and keep the low salary zero to five thousand actually only one dollar more than we had this year. We haven't even raised it in comparison with the inflation. There is fifty-one people in the five thousand to eight thousand. The majority of those are over the seven thousand bracket. There were very few at the five thousand. I don't have the exact amount, but there are more making seven than there are five. Rev. Gibson: That's about eight percent across the board, is that right? Mr. Howard: Pardon, Father? Rev. Gibson: That's about eight percent across the board increased?'' Mr. Howard: From seven fifty to fifteen is about that. The dollar increase is about only a twenty percent increase. Mrs. Gordon: I want to read you the motion that was passed by the Commission. Father Gibson wasn't here, but it was unanimous for those that were here. "A motion authorizing and directing the City Manager to place the Day Care Program in the General Fund and to provide the necessary funds from the most suitable sources providing that the services rendered by City of Miami Day Care operations shall be above the average of the services rendered by Dade County. Provided that the City of Miami quality of service does not substantially go over the average of quality of service provided at the Day Care Centers throughout Dade County." What it says to me is that the Manager is not at all interested in what we passed by way of this motion. And here we are back at zero where we were before the motion was passed. gl 9 SEP 25 797it Mayor Ferre: I think that motion should also say quality and cost. Mrs. Gordon I am reading from the minutes Mayor Ferre: Yes Mr. Clerk? Madam Ms. Hiari: Mayor Ferre: Yea. ` Have they been ... they . have been "na' and they haven't been approved by this Commission yet? the Clerk supplied to inc. well have those minutes been approved at this point? Clerk? It is not the ininutes sir, it's a copy of the city Clerk reports. e in the 'minutes' Ms. Hiari: The commission only approves the minutes, not the agenda and the City Clerk Reports. Mr. Howard:" If .I may, I' think you directed us last time, you said that you want to be #I1<and you weren't looking to lower or modify our fees just sothat we can be lowered. I think if you looked on the fourth page where it shows the topic is a"; client "group served by the City, County wide theaverage of 26 were 29. Fees are twenty-two eighteen we are only twelve. Average fees per program.: Mayor Ferre:: Mr. Howard: Alright, tell me that again. of the page. Mayor Ferre: County wide average users cost is twenty-eight eighteen per week? Is that what you are reading from? Mr.Howard: Twenty-two eighteen it shows there and we are twelve and yet where twenty-nine hundred average cost per program. So our program cost we are still maintaining a developmentally sound Day Care Program. We have not shirked as far as the cost per child or the cost to the City. There will be no reduction in the services offered with this money that we are requesting today. Mrs. Gordon: Are you again suggesting that this money will part of the Revenue Sharing dollars plus the fifty-five thousand that you suggested that you had left? Mr. Grassie: Let's see if we understand your question Commissioner. Are you asking whether we would expect that the Day Care Program would continue to be funded through Federal Revenue Sharing? No, as we said just a little while ago, we would anticipate that since this Federal Revenue Sharing Budget is in deficit at this point we anticipate taking the Day Care Program out of Federal Revenue Sharing and into the regular budget. Mrs. Gordon: Ok. Then why are we discussing it now under Revenue Sharing Mr. Grassie: Because you asked that we come back with the full picture. It would seem to me that you would certainly object highly if we had not brought this item back to your attention. You asked that we bring it back and discuss with you how we intended to organize the program and fund it. Mrs. Gordon: But we... I feel that the rates here are excessive. It does not take into account the multiple child family and I think that's a very serious flaw. Mr. Grassie: Just to put that into prospective for you, I think what Mr. Howard is saying to you was that the County wide fee on the average is twenty-two dollars per child, ours is now twelve dollars. With the fees that are being proposed to you we would be going to less than seventeen fifty. Mayor Ferre: I don't think we should do anything different from Metro, I think we should charge the same exactly as Metropolitan Dade County does. Mr. Plummer: What would... Let me ask you this, what would be the think... Mayor Ferre: And give the same service. Mr. Plummer: What would be the thinking of why the City would provide the service at a less fee, that's what I think has to be the rationale. If we gl 10 SAP 2 5 1979 Mr. Grassier Mayor Ferre: I thinkg same services as the County. Mr. Howard: ' The County Day Care, Jackson is using ` Title 20'funds which 'we are not using right now. They operate a little differently than we do.' In that particular case, the children there are fully... the cost is fully absorbed under Title 20. So, when somebody pays in the County the average, seems a little higher, they are not counting the number of children that are actually subsidized by the Federal Government completely. What we did, we took sixty-three organizations in the County public, non-profit, profit and, private and took the average of everybody and that's what the average is - twenty -two eighteen per child, per week in the County. Mayor Ferre: Oh, that isn't... I see, these are private and Mr. Howard: Private, nonprofit... it's all.. Mayor Ferre: Well,'now for example did you.. Coconut ,Grove have' a Day Care Center? Mr. Howard: That....yes , they do, that may,have give you ex the act name of all of them, but :.. That's a` private Day Care and as I,recall J. Z;'."Plummer,; You or five years ago say that was costing three thousand"dollars We don't necessarily think you 'should do it for less. we should char a the sameas the County, and render the are providing exactly see is, is that maybe that's one thing, but ex ec t the City to do p what the County is providing, the only thing: that I can the County is over charging. Now, if that 's'`the case, if this is on a break even basis, vhy would anybody it for less than the County. Mayor Ferre:. used to four a year. Mr. Plummer Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer: Saint Stevens I pay for my child no, about eighteen hundred a year, that's. what Stevens. Mayor Ferre: At the high rate here public.` there about twenty-one hundrei Ipay for my child at Saint Mr. Plummer: But now there is a difference Maurice. You know, "let's; put all of the cards on top of the table. This Day Care is for longer hours than what Saint Stevens provides. This I think goes to six o'clock atnight, if I'm not mistaken. Mr. Howard: We are recommending 5:30. Mr. Plummer: Well, ok, 5:30, where my kid muster out at 2:30, is. So there is additional three hours per day. Mr. Howard: Today this is an eleven hour program, we are recommending ten. Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Howard, parents who have to be to work early in the morning have to get the child to the Day Care Center and then get on the road to get to their job. The same thing holds true for the parent who have to leave work at 5 o'clock and it takes more than a half hour to get out of an office or wherever, get into a car, get on the road, get to the Day Care Center and pick up the child. I mean, be practical about it. What are you going to do with the child when the parent isn't there? Mr. Howard: We didn't do this 'unilaterally, we found and we know that at 7 o'clock in the morning, sometimes we don't have one chill there and yet we are bringing two and three people in and that's why we have moved it to 7:30. That's when the majority of the children start coming in. And likewise on the other hand we find that most of the children are leaving earlier and when it comes to 6 o'clock we don't have that many children there. gl 11 SEP 2 5 19/J Hrs. Gordon: I would like to ask Anne Wilson to give you the view point of the Day Care Committee and representing the parents of the group if you would listen. Anne would you come forward and answer the questions that you have the answers to? Ms. Wilson: I don't know I have the answers to, but I have a lot of respect for Al, but I disagree on this. Number one, you can't mix apples and oranges and take private centers and mix them with public centers because I happen to know that the cost at Jackson Dade is higher than twenty-nine hundred per child. I happen to know that the programs that they are putting in there are private places that don't keep the hours and that don't give the services many of them that are Day Care Centers does because of the income level of our parents. Because they need that care that is not provided... let's face it, if everybody could send there kid to Gulliver or to one of these other places or you know or Saint Stevens it would be wonderful, but first of all, they don't provide the care as early and as late as I understand it, that this, program does. And you can't take twenty-two eighteen when the City of Miami average salary is lower than the County's average salary. We know that we have more people in lower income levels in the City per capita than they do in the County if you are separating out the two. And by doubling these fees on the lower level and not giving the parent with more than one child in the program a break, you are really saying to the people in the lower levels of income,"we don't want you in our program anymore", that's what it amounts to. And I don't care how you write it, that's what it is. As simple as that, so you can't take twenty-two eighteen. That's a great figure if you want to pull something out of the air and if you want to average out forty-two programs, but they, are not programs like the City's programs, so how can you do it? And how can you take an income level that's higher than the City of Miami income level to a... you know, you just can't compare those two things. Mayor Ferre: Anne let me ask you a question with regards to those people that are... that families have an income of thirty to thirty-five thousand dollars a year of which there is one. Is fifty-eight an unreasonable amount for people making thirty to thirty-five thousand? Ms. Wilson: I won't think so, no, with one child, maybe with two, could see where it would`be: Mayor Ferre: Where there is.‘only one child. 2. Ms. Wilson::. Yes, but I'm saying suppose you had the family with two children. in that income level, I could see where that would be a problem. You know, I think... the last time I checked a private fee somewhere where they kept the children until 6 o'clock, it was somewhere around fifty dollars a week. So fifty-eight would be a little high, but you know, I think somewhere around fifty would be probably fair in that price, in that... I'm not arguing that income level, I'm arguing the other income levels below that and I'm arguing... Mayor Ferre: I tell you, I think there is a valid point of a family that makes five thousand dollars and has three children... Ms. Wilson: Or any... even with one. Mayor Ferre: There is just no way that a family making that kind of income... Ms. Wilson: Well even if you go in the great middle... you know, what we call the middle class group, they are the people who are really getting it in the neck with this Mr. Mayor, because it's doubling them if they have more than children. It's double already and then you don't give them any break for having a second child. Mayor Ferre: Well, I sympathize a great deal with people like that, but I'm afraid I must sympathize more with people that are at the poverty level. Ms. Wilson: Well, I do too, but there is something to be said for both of them. Mayor Ferre: Absolutely and in relative values I would sympathize more for people in the poverty level than I would for somebody in middle income no matter how hard their life maybe just as in the same way that I feel a little bit more sorry for somebody in the middle income than for somebody making thirty-five thousand dollars a year. gl 12 �7 SEP Ms. Wilson: That makes sense. Mayor Ferret And you, know... and I feel more sorry for that person than somebody making a hundred thousand dollars a year. Imean, so.. Ms. Wilson: The bulk of the children are below twelve thousand in income and that's considered you know, low income now. That's not even considered middle income anymore. Mr. Bond: Well, Mr. Mayor, what we'did, what I did in recommending this to you was simply add one dollar,, I think Mr. Howard mentioned to you, to the lowest fee and I found out what percentage that was of the five thousand dollars and it turned out to be eight point three percent and recognized that if the poorest could pay eight point three percent then let us try to logically extend that to eight point three percent for each of the other groups... salary groupings and it turned out as you see it here. And there was nothing magic about it, it's just a recommendation based on the same percentage that the poorest were paying, the most needy. Mrs. Gordon:< Jack, you didn't take into consideration the multiple family... multiple child family, 'you know, You didn't take that into consideration at all. Mr. Bond: Well,not in this scheme, we did not take that into consideration'` except in the initial registration fee. But we are just simply putting to you what we need to operation the program per child, per head, per individual enrolled in the program. We need this kind of revenue from each one. Mr. Grassie::;.We should mention Commissioner that, that is a policy choice that of course, you will have to express yourself on, but just so that you will understand how we are thinking, basically the City is providing a service which it can't afford to make available to all of it's citizens and we felt that if you structure the fees so that in fact one family can easily take up three slots, what you are saying is that two others families, two other citizens in your community simply don't have the opportunity. So that the affect of this kind of schedule really does try and make the program available to as manyfamilies as possible recognizing that you can't provide it to everybody. Now, you may disagree with that or want to go a different direction, but that's why it was structured that way. Mr. Bond: A hundred fourteen families receive an approximate subsidy of twenty-three hundred dollars per, eighteen families receive an approximate: subsidy of four thousand six hundred and two families receive an approximate subsidy of six thousand nine hundred dollars per family because of the multiple children enrolled in the program. So that... what that really does is say that the one family individual can work, but probably at the expense of two other families working. Mayor Ferre: Alright, Mr. Bond, I will tell you there are a lot of children here and there are a lot of people that are getting restless and I... we can be doing this on our own. I think we have gone into this to the point that we have exposed the different issues involved, but... and of course, those of you that wish to remain through the whole process are welcome to do so, but in the interest of getting some of these children home, I think we ought to hear from the Program Directors that wish to be heard. So unless there is an objection from the Commission what I will do is take Father's recommendation and we will start this way and we will work our way in this Direction. So if you would state your name and address for the record please and who you are here representing and then you will have three minutes to make your statement. Now, you won't be interrupted by the Commission, but after that some members of the Commission may ask questions. Mr. Otis Pitts: Well, I won't take three minutes. My name is Otis Pitts, my address is 2021 Northwest 194th Terrace, Opa-Locka, Florida. Mayor Ferre Can you tell me your name again, sir? Mr. Pitts: Otis Pitts. Mayor Ferre: Alright, Mr. Pitts let me interrupt you because the Clerk just.,, brought me a problem.' Dr. Thomas Ferguson seem to have an urgency. Is. there anybody here who must speak out of term? I'm going to otherwise do it in logical order unless somebody has an emergency in which they have got to 13 gi SEP 2. 1;,79 go to a hospital or something of that nature which would preclude, you know, something serious. I know you have got a lot of children here Tom and we will take you up as soon as we can. Ok, sir. Mr. Pitts: Ok, Mr. Ferguson and I are sort of related if you will, in terms of our concerns. I'm the Executive Director of Belafonte Tacolcy Center and I had come here at the last meeting to defend the Sports Development Club Incorporated, Sports Development Program only to find that Belafonte Tacolcy's Vocational Program was also on the chopping block. I will let Mr. Ferguson defend his own program. I will briefly talk about a few concerns that we have and I will let him come up and talk about his own program and his agency. I have noticed here in the Option 6 that have been recommended by staff and 1 the only difference in this than Option 4 are about three items and they appear... that's the Catholic Service Bureau, Overtown Day Care Center and Option #3, the City of Miami Day Care and Option #5, Dade County Schools M and Option 4,2. So I don't know what is being recommended except that other things that have gone into Option 6, if you will to include other agencies that were previously excluded. It was said that Tacolcy was not being recommended because the services it was providing in it's Vocational Program were being provided by the schools, if you will, in the area. Unfortunately in our area as a nine point six year educational level seems to suggest that all youngsters are not in school in our area. In addition to that the estimated unemployment in the Model Cities area is approximately' twenty thousand youngsters. So that's just to me that the schools are not addressing that problem or we think we are doing it.., we have done a relatively pretty good job at it, if you will. One other observation I would like to make is that of all the programs being recommended not one of these agencies are providing services to the Liberty City/Model Cities area. So I don't know what that seems to suggest, but it seems that Liberty is being ignored and I don't think that's the intention of this Commission of the City of Miami. The program we provide at Tacolcy is a Vocational Program funded at twenty-two thousand dollars and last year we provided services for some three hundred twenty-five youngsters. We found jobs for. approximately hundred youngsters and.the total amount of income those youngsters earn is over two hundred nine thousand dollars. There were twenty-two thousand dollars made available in our commmunity some two hundred` thousand dollars in the way of income for our residents there. I'm not going to get all the participants involved in this,'I think this is simply.a moral issue. I think it would be ignored and I don't think that's your intent. The last time we were here. Dr. Ferguson and I talked about the very elocuent delivery by Commissioner Lacassa and we are very :nappy. we felt that the Commission-- rather the staff have been given a charge to go back and to find funding for these programs only to come back and find that here you have been ignored or someone didn't take you seriously. So I'm going to let Dr. Ferguson talk a little bit tonight. I'm going to go back to my community tonight and tell them what has happened here tonight. I hope I can take____ them some good news, if not we will take them the bad news and allow them to react to it at some future time. Thank you, very much. Mayor Ferre: Alright, Mr. Pitts. Dr. Ferguson? Dr. Ferguson: My name is Dr. Ferguson, 1558 Northwest 71st Street, I'm here because most of you'know about this program and it is a crime preventive program within the City of Miami. The evaluation team came out statistically and evaluated the program. They found that the program was outstanding. We are servicing approximately two hundred fifty kids per program. We are now in our flag football program where we have just recruited some two hundred youngsters, not including the Cheerleaders. As I said this is a crime preventive program within the City of Miami. the only kind through sports. We bring these kids, we draw these kids from the City of Miami, but we teach them values. The evaluation of drugs, crime and that kind of values because they are the politicians and the administrators within the City of Miami of tomorrow. The only source of funding that this program has is from the City of Miami. If the eleven thousand dollars that they are having now is abolished these kids go back into the streets. Most of the programs that are being funded has other sources of funding and what I'm saying that if you eliminate this program tonight, we are saying that we are putting some four hundred and something kids back into the streets. Donnie Horne was at our banquet, the Mayor has been there and sometimes we have a thousand kids and their parents come to these banquets. They are not here tonight, but their kids are here and they are going home shortly. gl, 14 SEP 2 7 1979 We could have filled this place up tonight with uu► p,nnght erH, hnt they are not here. Those who are here because they are concerned nl,oI t thR' instructional kind of information that they are getting, from a this prop,rnu►. I came up through this program, that's why I'm Dr. Ferguson today. 11 came up without a father and this kind of program assisted me and I cannot stand by and see this program go down the drain because I don't know why. Thank you, very much Commissioners. I'm hoping that we can get twenty thousand dollars to continue to house this program. We got eleven last year, we have asked for twenty thousand dollars and we can show why because they have went out there, they have seen these kids in action, they know about these kids and don't see how consciously they can turn these kids to the streets. Thank you, very much. Mayor Ferre:.' Alright, thank you, Dr. Ferguson. Commissioner Lacasa? Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Mayor, for the sake of discussion and to establish a procedure.. We had two people talking on the Belafonte Program, my question now is are we going to go into other programs or are we going to discuss program by program because now I would like to know after having listened to his presentation what--- I assume very heavy reasons-- have the staff to recommend this program to be... not to be considered for funding. So what I would like to know, because we listened to this presentation, now what I would like to hear is the other side of the story. Mayor Ferre: That's fine and we will do it just that way. I would rather however, not to come to a conclusion this way because then... until they are all concluded because I think we have to hear all of the presentations. And in the past years, you know, we don't do it that wayor we will end up with a couple of million dollars before we know it. I" think we have got... we have always done it in the past this way and I think we should stick to that system. Do you want.Comissioner Lacasa to hear the presentation on the other side? Mr. Lacasa: Yes. Mayor Ferre: ..... ..... ...... Mr.. Bond: We have no... We don't take as an issue the value of the program. We start it from a base of a few dollars in trying to accommodate as many worthwhile programs as we can and I think that what Ms. Spillman said earlier was the crux of the matter with respect to Belafonte Tacolcy. They are receiving other City dollars, CD to be specific and we are asking that they consider consolidating their programs with those that are operated and funded to Otis Pitts. We are not saying it's a worthless program, not at all. We are saying we are strapped for monies. Dr. Ferguson: Mr. Mayor, I would like to answer Jack Bond. We were advised by this administration two years ago to come under the umbrella of Tacolcy Center because of the funding kind of condition and situation. We were advised by the ... is a different kind of program totally. We serve different clientele. The evaluation team that came out there could varify this, the goals and objectives are different. The funding sources are different. Mr. Lacasa: Are you saying Dr. Ferguson that if this, a recommendation of the staff were to be taken and no funds be allowed to this program, there will be an specific clientele that is being served now that will not receive any services? Dr. Ferguson: That's right. If this program is eliminated Harry Belafonte Tacolcy. Center will not accept the responsibility of funding this program. It's a different Board, different goals and objectives, a different concept totally: Mr. Pitts:: Let me add something. now... Father Gibson has a point. Rev. Gibson: Did I hear you say that if you don't get the money out of this` pot, that the same thing can be accomplished by getting the money out of another pot or the same money can be used to accomplish what he is talking about? gl 15 SEP 2 5 1979 Mr. Bond: Well, that's what we would like to think, yes, s..r, thit it doesn't have to be the way it's being painted... the picture doesn't have to be the way it's being painted here now. Rev. Gibson: I just want to make sure. I'm a little dense, but I didn't think I was that. Mayor Ferre: I tell you I still don't understand it Jack, because my problem in this is that the Tacolcy Program receives fifty thousand dollars from CD. Now, those fifty thousand dollars they received last year and I assume they are going to receive this year. Now, what do they spend the fifty thousand dollars in? They had certain programs. Ms. Spillman: The Tacolcy Program which is funded through Community Development is a sports program, it's a very similar program. They have organized... Mayor Ferre: Well, how does it differ from this Sports Development Program? Ms. Spillman: Well, it differs in that it service a different clientele. However, we can adjust the work program under Community Development so that they can serve the clientele which is being served under the FRS Program. That's a contractual issue. Mayor Ferre: Has the Tacolcy... Have the Tacolcy people in the CD-- fifty thousand dollar CD program accepted that? Ms. Spillman: No, 'Mr. Pitts and "I have discussed it. I don't has accepted it. Mayor Ferre: Well, Mr. Pitts, I guess the question is very simple. If the Belafonte Tacolcy Sports Development Program that was funded for eleven thousand dollars last year and that Dr. Tom Ferguson runs is eliminate, could you absorb it into your other program and serve these children in same way? think that 'h Mr. Pitts: Firstof all, I don't think we can, but let me clarify something. Mayor Ferre: I didn't hear that, I'm sorry. Mr. Pitts: No, I do not think we can do that. But let me clarify` something.; We are providing administrative support to the Sports Development, Club, Inc.; which is a separate corporation in the State of Florida. Eleven;thousand dollars represent the total funding that this entity has. We are providing administrative support to them. I, just want to simply add as well, this is probably one of the most cost affective programs operated anywhere in the City of Miami and that also includes Tacolcy's Program. The job that is being done by these folk is just... it's not being mastered by anybody. If we take away their funding, we destroy that agency, if you will. This is not Tacolcy's Program as such. There is a contract which Sports Development Club, Inc. and we have an agreement to provide administrative support to that group and that's the way the contract reads. So we are not taking. ~. away Tacolcy's Sports Development... other Sports Development Program, you taking away funding from Sports Development Club, Inc. Mayor Ferre: Further questions? Alright,. the next speaker. Hayle of Edison Day Care. Alright, Ms.' Hayle? is Linnette 7722 Northwest 9th Avenue, Edison Mayor Ferre: Oh, yes. Yes, I think this'is obviously going .to be concluded this evening. I hope you will be around. You... Mr. Pitts: Yes, sir, I will be here. I'm just they have got to go to school in the morning. Mrs. Gordon: Ok, alright. 16 gettingmy kids hometo be Ms. Linnette Hayle: I am Linnette Hayle,' Day Care. Mrs. Gordon: Excuse tne. Maurice, before Dr. Ferguson and the young people leave downhearted, I think we should at least let them know that we are not at the decision making point right now, but, certainly will be later in the evening. SEP 2 E79 Mayor Ferre: Yes. Ok, fine. Alright? Ms. Hayle: First of all, I would like to ask if the city of Miami competing with the private enterprisevbecauru thin+ reu;cn,. 1 um a divorced mother of three. I have one baby just ten months old, 1 have to pay twenty dollars per week for that baby. I have two children at Edison Day Care. I could not afford... I'm not earning twelve... I'm not even earning ten thousand dollars per year. I have my rent to pay, my car bill to pay, my furniture bill, I have my eighty dollars a month for one baby, fifty-seven at Edison for the other baby. I have food, I have clothes, I have gas. I have not taken any incidentals and allowance because I cannot afford incidentals. I want to know... Mr. Vice -Mayor is spending eighteen hundred dollars a year for his one child, he can afford that. I cannot afford anything. I cannot afford twenty-two dollars a week per child, if I can pay twenty-two dollars a week per child at the City of Miami, I can send my child to a private Day Care, I wouldn't be running here sitting down here night... this`. is my second night being in here trying to get cheap Day Care services for. my babies. I cannot afford it, I, just cannot afford it and I'm sure there are a lot of other parents here who cannot afford eight point five, three percent increase in their child care services. Mrs. Gordon: I~totally agree with this lady and that's what I was saying before. We are just closing our eyes and to the priorities that this community requires. We don't need some of the things that are being budgeted into the general funds. We can live without those things. We can live without a four hundred thousand dollar item, new Department for Trade and Commerce last year was funded with Community Development funds in the amount of two hundred twenty-five thousand dollars as an office under the Planning Department. I don't think that the people of the City are going to benefit to the difference that it is going to be costing them. They would much rather have the human service that they require and they would appreciate it a great deal more, because the... Trade and Commerce for instance is being supplied by Dade County and other governmental sources and... let's face reality. If we are going to cut back, we are going to cut back on the things that people don't need as dramatically as what this lady is saying now. Ms. Hayle: Our food prices are so high and we are not... I, personally am not eligible for food stamps, I cannot get food stamps with three children. I have to purchase everything out of my one salary. I don't know the where abouts of my childrens father. I don't know where he ran off to and I thought by coming to the City of Miami, it would have been better than going to a private Day Care which I cannot afford and if I am to pay .. twenty-two dollars per week at the City of Miami. I'd better stay home with my children and eat nothing. Thank you. Mayor Ferre: Alright, thank you. The next speaker Monfort , Miami Mental Health Center. Dr.? Dr. Monfort: Thank, you, very much." I represent the Miami MentalHeal.th Center, but my original purpose was to make a request of;fifty,one thousand dollars from the FRS funds. Mayor Ferre:. `Excuse me, Doctor. Would the Clerk please pay attention the tithing device; so that we don't .embarrass people? Thank .you Dr. Monfort: Make`a request of fifty-one thousand dollars.. Mrs. Gordon: Which program, sir? Dr. Monfort: The Miami Mental Health Center, it's a comprehensive mental health center serving a tricultural, bilingual community. But after hearing the proposed budget for the FRS funds, I feel like a baseball player who is given the opportunity to stand out in the batting play, but not pitch the ball. But be as it may we accept the realities that certain things have to go. This being a new program, obviously the prior commitment take precedence. However, we are concerned that this trend might continue and then we will really have problems in the future. We were able to bring to the City of Miami a large amount of federal funds to create this comprehensive mental health center and as federal monies goes we are sponsored for eight, but beginning on the fourth year the money will begin to reduce. We`need to gl 1.7 SEP 2 5 1S79 attract local funds to support the program. At this point what we would like to do is to make ourselves known and to start a working relationship so that we can be guided by the Commission as to how we require funds in the future. Thank you, very much. Mayor Ferre: Alright, thank you, Doctor. The next speaker... and by the way the speakers numbers is now increased, we are up to fifteen. Is Mr. Hector Gasca, Industrial Home for the Blind Foundations, Inc. Mr. Gasca7 Mr. Hector Gasca: My name is Hector Gasca, 1971 Southwest 4th Street. I'm going to talk about the Industrial Home for the Blind Foundation, Inc. The Industrial Home for the Blind Foundation, Inc. is a private non-profit organization which has taken the task to rehabilitate the visually handicapped intergrating them as useful members of our community. The organization has five years of experience with an excellent record of performance. Presently we are offering rehabilitation, educational, recreational, training and employment program for the blind. We have written a letter to Mrs. Dena Spillman, copy which was delivered to you, requesting an additional position of which we are in great need. Community Development funds were allocated and no money was allocated for this position. Therefore, we plead to the City Commission that the Industrial Home for the Blind Foundation be granted a total amount of thirty-five thousand seven hundred nine dollars from the federal revenue sharing funds for the proposal we submitted and the original twelve thousand dollar... I mean, is included in this twenty-five thousand. There is a lady who works as a counselor for the blind who has been working there for about three years and the blind are very sad to know that she is finished because shebelongs to the CETA program and she is ending this September. Thank you, very much. Mr. Lacasa: And what is the reason for Mr. Gasca: Wegot two increases. The other thirty-five thousand,; and so on, contractual services and comrnodities. Do you want me to Mayor Ferre: Well,... the two increases... you want to go up again... from ten thousand to twenty-three, thousand seven hundred nine and you are being recommended for ten thousand and the difference being, say fourteen thousan dollars and that's for what? Mr. Lacasa: No, no, it says twenty-three Mr. Gasca: No, we requested thirty-five thousand seven hundred dollars,` from there twenty-three thousand dollars are from different purpose and twelve thousand dollars for that position of the counsel. Mr. Lacasa: You see, this goes back. To understand this situation that they are facing here today we have to go back about a few months ago when there was an allocation being made, I think Dena Spillman, that was from CD and they were requesting at that time fifty thousand dollars, fifty. And by a mistake the person that was then representing the agency requested fifteen instead of fifty thousand dollars and there was a difference of thirty five thousand dollars and that is one of the reasons that they are in this. predicament. The other reason is the discontinuation of CETA funding in some of the positions, is that correct? Mr. Plummer: Let me ask this question. Dena, it says here under CD qualifications getting to your number _5, it;says here a quantifiable increase. Could these people apply to this? Ms. Spillman: Mr. Plummer: Right. could they be funded under Community Development?, Ms. Spillman; Just off the top of my head I would say "yes" because they already are receiving Community Development funds. .However,"the City would have to continue funding them... Ms. Spillman: ... ten and any additions, because we could consider that an expansion of the program. gl 18 SEP 2 5 /97. 41k 4'5 Mr. Plummer: Well, ok, the question has to be can the additional increase of the twenty-five: come fro“D? Ms. Spillman: 1 believe it can. I would have to review the work program, but I would believe it. They have expressed to us that this would be an expansion of the program. Mr. Plummer: You see, that's where it might qualify. Ms. Spillman: No, there is... there is two things... Mr. Plummer: Well, the problem is you know, some of these other programs would not qualify for an expansion of program and this one is what I see as an expansion. Mayor Ferre: Plummer, you are a smart man, you know that. Mr. Plu:nmer: You only say that because it's true. Ms. Spillman: Now, there is two points I 'want to make about the use of CD funds that are not written here. One is that you know, we have just created a Community Development Boards and obviously, it's your decision to make, but this has not been taken to the Board. The second thing is that if you should decide this evening or Thursday to fund any program additionally or as an expansion with Community Development funds, we will not be able to get any money from the Federal Government for at least forty days. In other words, the program could not receive Community Development funds for at least forty days from the point at which it is approved due to all the regulations... Mr. Plummer: Alright, so if we give them the ten, if we give them the ten that leaves twenty-five difference or two a month. So then if we give them approximately three grand more that would carry them over that forty day period. It's not how you skin the cat as long as the cat gets skinned. I guess. Anybody else? The next speaker is Mr. Fred Hirt, Douglas Gardens. Mr. Fred Hirt: Fred Hirt, 151 Northeast 52nd Street. I represent the Miami Jewish Home and Hospital of the Aged and the Douglas Gardens City of Miami Senior Adult Day Center. There are a few areas here which I think require clarification. First deals with the client population and the reason for the food increase aways known as public relations and the Retirement Program. First with regard to the food which is 2.08 excluding the container as compared to the dollar $1.29 to $1.90 which has been represented. First the individuals in this program, this is not a routine Day Care Program. This is a frail elderly program. The average age is eighty-one years of age in this program, that's the average age of a recipient, eighty-one. Secondly, the individuals in this program are classified either intermediate one or intermediate two for nursing homes. Their average income is below three thousand dollars a year. The diets and the foods which have been recommended and for a reason for the increase is not primarily that of kosher food. The reason for the increase is that these are not standard diets. The diets are low sodium, bland, low fat and caloric balanced diets. So that it is not comparing apples with apples. The County program, from what I understand, the Metropolitan Dade County program a cost for the same program not served in bulk. These are individually prepared, we provide these meals individually is $1.98 compared to the $2.08. So this is really decentralized and there are individual meals. so again we are comparing apples and oranges. First we were comparing decentralized food service were compared to bulk food service. Secondly, we are comparing a medically prescribed diet to generally a loud diet. Third, we are also looking at public relations and I think the title is a misnomer. What this is, is basically information or referral brochures. It is not in the common terminology of public relations, we don't have public relations for the program. Mrs. Gordon: I would suggest that .you 'wait until you have a full' Commission. . . . , . s-•.- . Mr. Mirr: As further testimony to what has been taking place in this program, I think that it's important to note that the individuals in this program also require other services vhich were paid forand budgeted - and absorbed by Miarni gl 19 SEP 2 '0. IS Jewish Home and Hospital for the Aged. Documented not inkind services, medical services were seventeen hundred ten dollars in equipment and supplies. Medical visits, there were three hundred visits which were not paid for by the program which came to ten thousand five hundred dollars paid for by the facility. Counselling was completely absorded with no cost and medications which were given on an emergency basis came four thousand four hundred eighty dollars which was sixteen thousand six hundred ninety dollars which was not even placed in this budget, which was agreed to by the Miami Jewish Home and absorbed, recognizing the problems that the City had last year with Federal Revenue Sharing Funds. So I think I have responded to the three areas. In addition to the retirement was one in where when you compare like salaries and Programs with significantly less and the salaries are significantly less... our driver who last year... our driver's salary is a hundred fifty dollars a week, that was it and that included the last increase which the person had received. So, we are talking of basically minimum wage people, five, in addition there are two other people not paid for by the program or functioning in this program. Again, we are talking of about thirty-five to thirty-seven people a day who are seen. These are not individuals who could function within the community, these are individuals who have no where else to go and no one else to turn to. If not for this program these individuals would today be in nursing homes in this community as exhibited by the fact that they are classified intermediate one and intermediate two, eligible for nursing home care. Unfortunately, in this community there are no types of facilities which accept people who's average income is below three thousand dollars a year. That's the reason why we again come to this Commission for increased support. Mrs. Gordon: Would you also tell us the ethnic m in the 'program? Mr. Hirt: Surely. The... there are -I believe eighteen out of two hundred, eighteen out of a hundred nintey-two individuals were Jewish. There are approximately thirty-five ,percent-- I believe that the figure - thirty-five. percent of the individuals are minorities. Mrs. Gordon: The reason I asked for the clarification, theimplication the terminology Kosher meals indicated that you may just be catering to one ethnic group which I don't believe you are. Mr. Hirt: No, obviously not. It's less than... I believe,it's"about eight percent who are Jewish in the program which is less .than�the.percentage and the population in the area being served. And I think it's Mrs. Gordon: Thank you, for that clarification. I understand that the First Lady will be--- of the State of Florida will be visiting your program this week. I believe on Thursday, is that correct? Mr. Hirt: Yes. We are very pleased that we have had now in,the past month Adell Graham ` will be visiting the program, as did Lillian '.Carter .approximately three week ago. Mrs. Gordon: The reason that this program is receiving some much attention in the... from the State level and from the National level ladies and gentlemen is because this is a unique program which is a pilot type of program, outstanding in the Country among all other programs catering to the elderly. And I congratulate you on having such an outstanding program and we in the City should be indeed proud to be a part of what is becoming a showcase for the entire Nation. Mr. Hirt:,.Thank you, very much Commissioner Gordon. Mr. Plummer: The next speaker is Mr. Gregg Silverberg. Excuse me, did you have something to say Dena? Ms. Spillman: If only eight percent of your clientele require kosher meals, then why is your food cost so high relative to the other food programs that we fund in the City which are also for elderly people and who also have similar problems as the clientele which you are serving? gl 20 SEP 2 15742 Mr. Hirt: I think there are a few reasons for this. First is not to discriminate against those individuals who require kustwr food. Secondly, is that... Ms. Spillman: Well, wait, let me ask you a question. Are all your meals kosher? Mr. Hirt: Yes. Ms. Spillman: But that's not necessary, though. Mr. Hirt: It is necessary if you have a dietitian who is not being paid for by the program and these programs here are under medical supervision. The average... the meals which are served, again, better than sixty percent of meals are not standard meals. They are either low sodium, bland, metabolic or low fat. This is not consistent with the other programs within the County. As a matter of fact, we did contract for both meals with three catering services and the cost were a dollar ninety-one, dollar ninety-seven and I don't have the third figure similar to what area wide has been paying, but this would be in bulk and would not include snacks. This program again, is not in bulk or else we would have a salary line which would have to be included in other to prepare those meals individually. So obviously we are comparing apples with oranges in this particular area. Mr. Plummer: Mir. Gregg Silverberg representing the Dade County Association for Retarded Citizens. You have three minutes, sir. Set the clock. Mr. Gregg Silverberg: Thank you, Commissioner. We are asking for thirteen thousand five hundred dollars of Federal Revenue Sharing Funds to support one position in the Citizen Advocacy Program of which I am Director. The position that we are asking you to fund is the client representative. Three percent of your population is retarded. They are elderly, they are young. They are Black, White, Hispanic, it cuts across all lines. They are usually low-income, they are all handicapped or multiply handicapped. We are serving now in our Citizen Advocacy Program approximately four hundred fifty people. We provide a match with a normal functioning individual to provide assistance, guidance and intervention on behalf of these hundred individuals. That is the client... the client representatives oversees these matches. Unfortunately, we do not have all of the people who have applied for services matched with a functioning individual. So we have three hundred fifty individuals per whom the client representative has act in the capacity of an interventionist to deal with systems, their problems, the overseeing of delivery of services, the monitoring. This position at the present time is funded by a CETA position, we are losing that CETA position, without this position we are losing one third of our program. We can recruit and we can administer, but we have trouble in serving the three hundred fifty people who do not have matches and monitoring of one hundred people who do have matches. We are as I said asking for assistance in continuing this program which has national significance and has been seen on national television as recently as last week. Thank you, gentlemen. Mrs. Gordon: Dena, where is that on this list of programs that we have here? Ms. Spillman: This does not appear in this memorandum I have... that was part of your last package which you received, which I can pass out to you again. It's a new program. Mrs. Gordon: You said new program? Ms. Spillman: And we are not recommending new programs that's why you don't see it here. Mr. Lacasa: From where do you get the other funding for the other services? Mr. Silverberg: We get funding from United Way for most of it. We hired some CETA positions, we are looking to get funding from Vista, ve do some of our own fund raising which is private charitable funding and we are running a deficit budget so,... like everybody else I suppose. Mr. Plummer: Alright, the next speaker is Mr. Rafael de Arazosa representing or gl 21 SEP 2 5 1973 speaking in behalf of Day Care Centers. Mr. Rafael de Arazosa: My tame is Rafael de Arazosa, 1932 Northwest 18th Street, Miami. Commissioners, I don't know how to begin. I'm going to try to be objective and speak very rapidly. I am very shocked tonight. I am shocked because on September the 13th I attendee this Commission Meeting, along with about sixty parents and at that time the City Commission in opinion and again, I am no attorney unfortunately and sometimes I don't understand the motions, but it was my understanding on September the 13th, the Commission made a motion, adopted a resolution directing the City Manager to appropriate the two hundred thirteen thousand dollars needed to fund the Day Care Center to obtain that amount of monies from the general funds. And I think it was some of the Commissioners, I don't know whether it was Commissioner Lacasa or some of the other Commissioner pointed out that this matter should never be brought up again. That these children allocations should not be jeopardized and ladies and gentlemen here tonight I am against, I am bewildered, I am very much angered when I see these figures prepareo by the City Manager's Office intented to raise the fees that the parent will pay substantially. When I say substantially, in my --- the fees that I pay currently are twenty-six dollars a week. Under this new sliding fee scale to take effect on January 1st, I will be paying forty-one dollars fifty cents a week. That's an increase of sixty percent. Now, I don't think this is fair for me as a parent. I have done a little research and I understand that at Florida International University Day Care Center the maximum fee paid by parents is thirty dollars a week. I understand... I have a friend of mine who's kid is currently in a private Day Care Center and he and his wife, I believe, are on the last salary range indicated on this page and they only pay thirty-five or thirty four dollars a week. So what is happening, I don't know. Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Arazosa, let me tell you this. This is not unusual for the staff to come out with an alternative which doesn't necessarily represents the orientation that the City Commission has given them before. But one thing I can assure you of is that the motion that I made on September the 18th,.I'`think it was, is going to made again today. And that I do hope that I will have the same kind of`support that I had at the previous meeting. So don't worry, this is just another view, but the view that in the final analysis will be the one that will really decide the future of the program, I think was pretty clearly expressed in the previous Commission hearing. Mrs. Gordon: I don't know whether or not these minutes are wrong Mr. Lacasa, but I made the motion and Ferra seconded it. So I don't know where you came in making wnicn motion, put Mr. Lacasa: Well, it was... Mayor Ferre: It doesn't matter. Mrs. Gordon: It doesn't matter, but let the records be correct always. Mr. Lacasa: It was referring Rose, to my position that this question should be funded through general fund and that should be never again be brought for discussion here. Mrs. Gordon: That's right, that's why I don't know why we are wasting time this evening even discussing it when it was decided last time that it would automatically be put into the general fund at the level it was funded last year and there wasn't going to be any changes. Mayor Ferre: No, no, that wasn't the motion. It's close, but not quite. Mrs. Gordon: it necessary, Mayor Ferre: Well, I will read it to you again. And if you feel you find if not you can read it yourself. Yes, that's good. Mr. Arazosa: Well, again, let me close my statement by saying, I know that several times it's been mentioned that maybe the fees that the parents should pay will have to be proportioned to the average. Let me indicate that the average that has been indicated by two gentlemen that has spoked before, I think that's an extremely low average. I'm appointing out to the FIU program and this other individual private entity who will charge much, much less than the fifty-eight dollars here at the bottom of this page. And again, as a closing statement, let me reiterate that at the last meetinglI think that the gl 22 SEP 2 5197S 41114 Director somebody asked a question, I think it was Mrs. Filson. What's going to happen to the teachers? Are there going to be any laid -off?? And at that time she got a reply, that "no", from the City Manager I beleive, no teachers will be laid -off and at this point in time these teachers are running scared. They don't know what they are going to do and it's an awful feeling when you have to go to work every day and you worry that maybe next week you will not have a job. So please,... most of the parents are not here tonight. They turned out in masses on the 13th. Please don't let it he said that on a later date the City Commission came and did something else, because I know that you people are all acting in good faith. Thank you, very much. Mr. Grassie: Mr. Mayor, for the information of the City Commission you need to know that all of the employees in the program were notified of the action of the City Commission last week. Mayor Ferrer The next speaker is Mr. Rafael Villaverde Mr. Rafael Villoverde: Good evening, my name is Rafael Villaverde, c8i Ocean Drive, Key Biscayne, Florida. First of all, l want to thank the City Commissioner for supporting the .program in the last five years. Over three thousand persons have been able to receive a hot meal on a daily basis and we will appreciate the efforts of the City of Miami. Number 2, we understand the constraints imposed on the City by the allocation of funds, but by the same token we want to impress on the Commission the problems that we have. For the last four years we have been able to maintain the cost of a meal at a regular price, today it is not so. Inflation has hit us very hard. It's hitting the nation around eight or nine or ten percent a year and now we are going into an increase in our meal cost of sixteen percent for the first time in four years. Unfortunately, we have not been able to maintain it at a lower cost this year. What does that mean for us? That means that we need approximately twenty thousand dollars more on a yearly basis than what we used to have before. I'f not, what does that mean? That means that either we cut-off the total Blind Program, no meals for the Blind Program plus cut-off our regular funding for our regular clientele. We know and we understand the hard decisions that are in front of five gentlemen and a lady here, but we also understand that the actions that we take here reverse in the people that are in need of eating a meal or not. I hate to be in the City Commission; shoes tonight, but tomorrow it will be my shoes when I have to tell those people that they cannot receive the meals that they are receiving today. don't know from where... -I don't know if CD money could be used or not according to the statements we received it's impossible to receive it. I don know how do we stand in general funds, but in the name of the recipients of the program. Number one, as I said before, I want to thank you for the services provided in five years and number two, please have some mercy on the hungry people that need their food every day. Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Villaverde, I think that the record in the particular case of your agency speak by itself. Little Havana Activity Center has a tremendous record and if there has been an agency that has provided effective services in a particular area has been that. So the City Commission has only done it's duty by reciprocating and supporting your program. Mr. Villaverde: Thank you, very much Commissioner Lacasa. But again, I want to emphasize that we are in need and tomorrow I will, have to make ,decisions in accordance to the decision you make here today. So, please have mercy on the people. Thank you. Mayor Ferre: Alright, Mr. Rolando Otero? Mr. Rolando Otero: I am Rolando Otero, 300 Southwest 12th Avenue. At the last meeting.. Commissioner Lacasa, he requested for another Option 6 or 7. onight we have Option 6 and I think that still,it doesn't satisfy our new programs and, other present programs establishes. I unnerstauu �' problem of lack of funding and I understand that the Commission would love to finance., the present program and future program, but still have to face those little inconveniences. Our program is a Crime Prevention Program with the purpose to create an organization to establish a service of Para -professional Counselors' in` the Dade County jails. The very unique of this program is to the fact that we are going to deal with'emotional problems of the people that are in this... in the jail over here in this ,community . This ro ram is economic... it cost about a hundred ninety-eight ao11ar per persorj. We expect to have five hundred clienteles and it is projected to the socially disadvantaged. I would like to give some kind of progress g] 23 SEP251979 and the purpose. Thank you, very much. Mayor Ferre: report to this Commission so you. can have a better evaluation of tht';progrn How much is your request? Mr. Villaverde' Ninety-eightthousand dollars five hundred. Mayor Ferrer Are you getting any funding at all now from: any"other source? Mr. Villaverde: No, at the presenttime:: we have been 'just assisted the donation of businessmen and different people in the community. with Mayor Ferre: You are not getting any funding from Metropolitan Dade County or from HEW? Mr. Villaverde: No, 'sir.': Mrs. Gordon:. What ,'program i"s that? Mr. Villaverde: .Project Freedom:78'. It's a crime: prevention program with the purposeto assist prisoners as they comejail. Mrs. Gordon: Did .we fund you last year? No,.no, this is a new program. Mr. Villaverde. Mrs. Gordon: Mayor Ferre: program? Mr. Bond: W Mayor Ferre: program? Mr. Bond: new program. Oh, ok. Did we make any evaluation=at all or.we.just'rejected.any'new e rejected considering any new program. see, s0 in other vords,'there .weren't.no evaluation for the There was an evaluation,;:"yes".. Mayor Ferre: Oh, ..I.'see Mr. Bond: Yes. there was an evaluation.. Mayor Ferre: of all submittals and we program and what have you. Ok. Mr. Bond: Yes. lookedatthe quality of the Mr. Lacasa:. Is there any other program providing the type of services that you are offering in this community now? Mr.Villaverde: At the present time, no, sir. We have authorization from the Director of Dade County jail, Jack Sandstrom and this is a very unique program. We are going to visit the inmates in the different jails and specially we are going to concentrate our energies with juvenile crimes. As you understand juvenile crime, they are facing overcrowded problems over there. The jail is overcrowded and they have lack of personnel. I think probably inreference to crime prevention we need whatever program, you know, tnat can affect the kind of service. Mayor Ferre: Elizabeth Virrick is doing some work in rehabilitation with former offenders, but I don't think that it's nearly enough and I'm not too sure that, that's something that we could solve here tonight. But I do think that we would spend a lot less money in some of the police work that we do if we spent--- and I'm talking as a general statement, you know, as I see in society--- we spent some time and some money on the program to rehabilitate people. What the name, the technical name of re... when people repeat... Mr. Grassie: Recidivist. Mayor Ferre: What's that called again? Mr. Grassie: Recidivism. gl 24 SEP 2 5 197S. Mayor Ferret Recidivism. Mr. I'lummer: You go back for a second time. Mayor Ferrel Recidivism is one of the serious probletns and I remember being at a hearing with Maynard Jackson. (BACKGROUND COMMENT INAUDIBLE) • ," Mayor Ferre: From Raiford. I remember being with Burke Spy and Maynard Jackson at a hearing in Atlanta on this and I was really shocked to realize that there are certain... there is a certain problem in our society that we have people that repeat the same crime over and over and over and they end up going to jail four, five, six times and society is doing nothing about it. You know, some where along the line Mr. Grassie and obviously it's not now, I think we in the City and the County along with the State and the Federal Government have really got to address this problem. I think everybody in this Country is turning their backs totally and we are really paying through the nose on it. Mrs. Gordon: You know, it's ironic, I believe that you have the attitude tonight because remember a couple of years ago when we worked diligently to try to put in place the youth city and had the whole program worked out to the point where we had everything in place until the Manager moved his staff into the building and program had to be shelved. I think it's very ironic because that program wasn't going to cost anything, it was going to be contributed contributions from other agencies and the School Board in this community. Mr.ViLlaverde: I would like to emphasize that keeping the inmate in jail it would cost to the Government from seven thousand dollars up to nearly sixteen thousand dollars. It depends on the allocation of the prisoner and different facilities and conditions, but... Mayor Ferre: You are saying seven thousand to sixteen per prisoner, per year? Mr.Villaverde: Yes, per year. Mayor Ferre: Yes. In other;words, that's what it's costing society today to maintain one prisoner in jail one year? Mr.Vil.lavercie: You are right. Mayor Ferre: Well, thank you, very much. Any other questions? Alright,... Vill.atrerde: No, I would like to have the opportunity to give this e progress report to our City Corarnissi.on, if possible. Mayor Ferre: Go right ahead. . Mr .Villaverde: Thankyou, very touch. Mayor Ferre: Do you have copies now? Mr .Vill.averde : Yes. Mayor Ferre: Alright, go right ahead. Alright, the next speaker is Mr. Gusto Regalado and then after. that Mel 13aise of J.E.S.C.A. With my apologies your name got lost in the shuffle here. Mr. Plummer: We are at nuinber twelve? Mayor Ferre: Yes, we are at number twelve. Mr. Regalado? Mr. Regalado: Good afternoon Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission, I don't have fluent English to explain my thoughts, but I have my own thoughts. 'In a recent letter I wrote to a person present here, I told him no soldier can go to the war without ammunition. We a youthful age have certainly goodwill and guts, but we have no ammunition in order to fight. Every year we come to these meetings with great hope and with great patience. Every year we have the same answer this year "no", maybe the next. Right. But the years are dropping over us and life is shorter every year for us. I have a question to do. Will be this year a new not year? I want to know gl 25 SEP 25 197S it because maybe I am making a great mistake. Perhaps I ought to retire to. go home in order to expect the best. New generations are coming and they have a place under the sun, but I want to beg you a great favor. Please, tell me the truth. It is all what I want to know. No more politics please. I think I deserve by my age a little respect and a little rest also, then I beg you don't take my health. Tell me the truth, only, the truth and I will go silently to home to think what is the thing I have to do. Thank you, very much. Mayor Ferre: Dr. Regalado, thank you. Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr. Mayor, let me... I can't let that go by. I don't know of one man in this community who single handedly fights the handicaps that he himself suffered for his people as hard as what that man suffers. And I want,to tell you-- I kept quiet and I was going to say it in the very end. Mr. Mayor, for all of the years that I have sat here, I have used two criteria and you have heard me repeat them and repeat them and repeat them. And that criteria is that first and foremost we take care of the hungry and the elderly. -Second, we take care of the sick and anything else, we will talk about. My heart goes out to that man as it has every year and will continue. to do so, because this man gives the people of that community which he so ably represents a reason to get up every morning and to enjoy the day and to go to bed with peace with their God at night.. And I will fight for that man everytime I get the chance. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer: Mayor.Ferre: I pronounce Any of, you want to comment on that. You won't touch that one? If Dena touches that one, she is crazy. Alright, the nextspeaker will be Mel Baise of J.E.S.C.A. Did that right? Ms. Mel BaiseYes. Mel'Baise, I live at 6841 Southwest 63rd Avenue, City of Miami. I represent James E. Scott Community Association and on behalf of the elderly people who eat in our meals program at the Culmer and the Coconut Grove meal sites. We have been recommended for funding with a reduction and we would like to say that we are grateful for the amounts and to be included, but we also would like to go on record saying with this reduction of Option 6 we will be reduced at the two place a total of six thousand thrpe hundred seventy-five dollars which will represent a total of a hundred five meals at one place and only fifty-five meals at the other place, which would mean twenty-five meals a day or twenty-five persons a day who would not be served a meal. And we are asking that we be considered for the full amount because this is completely in... our budgets are completely on meals programs and feeding the elderly and this is why we are here to say thank you, for what you have recommended. We feel that you understand that J.E.S.C.A. has a very viable program for the elderly and the exoffender and the whole thing, but we would like to have the full amount. And we don't want you to feel that we are ungrateful and selfish in asking that. But to say it is the meals that we would have to cut out of our budgets. Thank you. Mayor Ferre: Alright, thank you. Is there any response the staff want to make? Alright, the next speaker is Alicia Abreu, Overtown... C.S.P. Overtown Day Care. Ms. Alicia Abreu: 610 Jeronimo Drive, Coral Gables, Florida. I'm the Director of the Day Care and Neighborhood Center Divison of 'Catholic Service Bureau. I'm representing Overtown Day Care Center. First of all, I would like to express our appreciation to the City Commission for their contribution to the funding of Overtown Day Care Center for the last few years. Also, I would like to thank the staff of the City of Miami for their revision of their recommendation of the last September 18th. Their revision shows that they are recommending on this Option 16 forty thousand dollars to fund for 1979-80 the Day Care of Overtown Day Care Center. I regret to express that forty thousand dollars will not be enough to continue the operation of Overtown Day Care Center at the same level that currently is working. Overtown Day Care Center with forty thousand dollars will be forced to cut--- close one room of children an amount of eighteen families as of--- eighteen children as of October 1st. I would like to request and point out that with the cooperation of the City they have mentioned that they will be able to make available Title 6 positions for assistance in some of the supported services of Title 2. This together with an amount of sixty-two thousand gi 26 SEP 2 5 1979 dollars instead of forty will enable twenty-two thousand dollars more is actually two staff members twenty thousand dollars what it will enable to keep open the services for the seventy-five children. It had not bean discussed or put into question the quality of the services provided by Overtown. I would like to add to that, that Overtown is serving, is a trilingual, tricultural Day Care Program. At this point in time that area of the City have developed and changed their community that is living in there. We are serving around ninety-six percent of Haitian families. The children, ninety-six percent of the children arrive there only speaking creolen french and with the trilingual program they are learning their English and also we have Spanish in the Center. It's a most needed program and I would like the consideration of forty thousand dollars be once more thought about and the sixty-two thousand dollars be made available to enable to continue to serve seventy-five children. Otherwise, the impact will be down to fifty-six children next week. Any questions? We have worked with the City and readjusted all of the staffing pattern and the services and the budget and we have lowered the cost per child to approximately eight dollars fifty cents daily or twenty-two hundred dollars a year.. Mayor Ferre: How much? Twenty-two hundred.,. Ms. Abreu: Twenty-two hundred dollars a year. Ms. Spillman: I just. ..:I...:This is -a: question. I- have of more -than one agency. Whenwe had.discussi'ons with staff people earlier and we,discussed- these figures with them. several agencies told us they could operate under the figures we were recommending and including this one. And now all of the sudden everyone is saying that they can't. Ms. Abreu: I'm sorry, not all of the sudden Dena. You know that in each proposal as is here since this current fiscal year we were able to obtain a CETA Title 6 funding from the previous allocation of revenue sharing, that was something like seventy-two thousand dollars or so, we went down to forty thousand dollars. We did request CETA Title 6 but it was not possible so we presented the allocation for a need of ninety-four thousand dollars. When we were discussing the situation with reads, restore the old staffing pattern, cut some positions,cook to six hours instead of eight since we were considering that we are using a vendor in there, some other maintenance; positions and so on and, on the conversation that'we had with your staff during the previous week from the eighteen to here, we were thinking that the minimum that we might be able to operate and not have to deduct services of eighteen children will be maybe around fifty-six thousand dollars. That was up to Friday. It was conveyed to your staff, but it was not able to be added to your recommendation. On closest figure with the fifty-six thousand dollars we will be without replacing for anytime, so we review figures and with the five thousand dollars more we will be covered for the eventualities of the program. That's why I appreciate the communication. Communication had been going and actually the person that had been conducting the negotiations with your staff, the administrator of the program Elaine Silvman. I was expecting her here tonight, she had been communicating with Donnie Horne in these figures of fifty-six, sixty-two thousand,T1 ut I think she might be receiving her baby, because she was not feeling that good today. So that's why she is not here to express with more facts the communication that she had been having with your staff. Donnie Horne was there Friday, had been talking figures of a minimum of fifty-six thousand to sixty-two. Ok. Anyway there is the fact right now. It will not be possible. I just chopped all other resources that we might have within all the private sources and definitely we might have... if we only get the assistance and we appreciate, the forty thousand and the parents of the children from the City, we will have to be working with fifty-six children instead seventy-five on that area. Thank you. Mayor Ferre: Alright, thank you. The next speaker is Gabiel A. Palmer? Mr. Gabiel A. Palmer: My name is Gabiel A. Palmer, I live at 3502 Southwest 26th Street. Mr. Mayor, I am also from a Day Care Center and Mr. de Arazosa covered most,of what I was going to say, but there is one point that I want to make to the; Commissioners and to you. I have a letter here that is a very short letter and it states, it says "Day Care employees Department of Leisure Services, from Joseph Grassie, City Manager. The City Commission at it's gl 27 SEP 2 5 197S: meeting of September 13, 1979, indicated it's hope that the City will be able to continue to fund, the City operated Day Care Program. Until further:. changes are made, please consider that the lay-off notices which you recently received. are on hold. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Palmer: Right. Now, I don't want to be an echo to what Mr.de Arazosa said, but one thing that I'm really concerned is exactly what does that hold means. Itmeans that it can go either way.` What we are trying to do'is...- What are the plans for the teachers at the Day Care Center? Mrs. Gordon: My understanding that the motion that we passed unanimously was to instruct the Manager to retain the program'at it's present status with funds. from the general fund. That included all the teachers.. I don't know what the Manager meant by the on hold, I think maybe he has to answer that. Mayor Ferre: Again,..`. Alright, if I may... excuse me, for a moment Mr. Grassier Mr. Plummer: Well,,that's not the answer to his question. The man asked what does hold mean. Remember back... What it really means is this Gabriel. The original letter they got said you are terminated, right? Mr. Palmer Righ Mr. Plummer: Ok. Now, what it means is that is in a hold position, they are not terminated, but they are not guaranteed that they are going to proceed. When you put somebody on a hold button on a telephone, you hold, then you see what you go back to. But to answer your question. The initial action taken by the administration was a letter of termination, that now has been held. It's on a hold position, that's the answer to your question. You have not... don't walk away scott free, but you are a lot better off by that letter than you were. a termination notice. That's what it means. Mr. Palmer: I don't know what... that's what I mean, that I'm speaking because of the parents, that they are worrying about losing their teachers. Mr. Plummer: Gabriel, we are worried about losing three and a half million dollars less this year than we had the year before and your concern for your child and your teachers is the same concern that this Commission has got to show for every program that is now three and a half million dollars shorter this year than last. Mayor Ferre: Well, we will be coming to a decision on this very soon. Mr. Palmer: Ok, thank you, sir. Mayor Ferre: Alright, the next speaker is Linda C. Alger, A-1-g-e-r, Silverbluff Common Community School. Ms. Linda C. Alger: My address is 2784 Southwest 29th Avenue. I came here to beg and bargain for Silverbluff Community School and I'm getting a guilty conscience. Some of you don't realize it, but some of you do. I walk all day long while I'm working and I see what's happening, maybe a lot more than you all have a chance to. I get built-in cost of living allowance, so I'm not going through what ninety-nine percent of our community is going through. If you raise Day Care, I'm sure I can pay it. People are scared. There is a lot of single parents out there that need community schools. There is a lot of old people out there who's families don't give a hoot. I've got a lady living on my route now that went without food for two weeks and almost died and didn't pick up her meals for two weeks and I started banging on her windows and HRS came to her rescue. There is a lot of people out there that don't even speak our language that don't even know where to go to get help. A11 I want to say to you is that no matter who cut, it doesn't matter a whole community is suffering right now and I think that we need to try to get the money... I don't understand that much about the budget, but we need to try to get the money to help all these programs because we are not going to feel it today or tomorrow. If we are going to feel it a year from now and five years from now and ten years from now things are going to just keep getting worse. I don't know if I have gotten my point gl 28 SEP 2 5 197 across of what I'm trying to tell you. But people lived these scrvlee•5. 1 know and I'ehout there everyday. They keep asking me what to do and I can't tell them what to do. I'm told not to get involved with these people by my boss. Mrs. Gordon: Who do you what for? Ms. Alger: I'm a letter carrier. And I have walkedin the ghetto walked in Little Havana and,I learn Spanish so I could communicate` people there and "I have a route in the Grove right now. Mrs. Gordon: record? Ms. Alger: be congratulated. Did you get your name into the, Mayor Ferre: Alright, thank you, very much. The next speaker is Colonel Douglas Morris of the Salvation Army. Colonel Morris, Women in Distress Program. Col. Douglas Morris: I'm Colonel Morris of 15 Northwest 204 Street. I'm representing the City Commander of the Salvation Army, Captain Warren Fulton who is absent from the City today. He asked me to be here tonight to speak on behalf of the Salvation Army's request for twelve thousand dollars from. Federal Revenue Sharing Funds for our Women in Distress Program. You are probably aware of the fact that Roxy Bolton started this program sometime ago and was unable to carry it on and asked the Salvation Army to take it over, whichwe did. She was receiving a grant of twelve thousand dollars. She did receive a grant of twelve thousand dollars the last year she operated the program,: but when we took it over that grant was not available. Now, we would like it to be reinstituted if it's possible because we need the money urgently to carry on this program among women in distress. I would just say this much more we have approximately three hundred fifty women annually being served in that program over on Northeast 24th Street and we cannot really carry it on without the necessary funds. The United Way is now providing us all but one thousand dollars of the other amount necessary to carry on our program at a total of thirty-six thousand dollars of which we are asking for one third from the Revenue Sharing", Funds. Are there any questions that I can answer, I will be happy to do so. Mayor Ferre: Any questions for Colonel Morris? Any statements? Alright, you, very much. Anne Wilson? Ms. Anne Wilson: Anne Wilson. 3710 Battersea Road, City of Miami. I' don't want to beat a dead horse, but I just want to make a couple of comments. I there have been many funding arrangments worked out for Day Care with all different kinds of figures and some of them say that for instance, they closed the... during the Christmas vacation. Well, you know, those parents still work during Christmas vacation. That they cut the hours, that they cut the staff, that they do all these different things and all I'm saying is that the program cannot operate for lower income families when you do this to it. And I'm just saying when you make your deliberation make it on the basis that it's going to be maintained in it's present status if you please. Mayor Ferre: Alright, any questions of Anne Wilson? Alright, the last speaker tonight from the general public is Octavio Blanco. Mr. Blanco? Mr. Octavio Blanco: My name is Octavio Blanco, I live at 8115 Southwest 16th Street. I want to thank you, the City of Miami Commission for all the years they have been supporting Accion Community Center. We have been able to give transportation to the very needs the elderiy and the handicapped. I'm just going to be very brief today. I want to say first that Dena was saying the truth when she said "Blanco.... she asked me "Blanco, can you function with twenty-seven thousand dollars?" and I say "yes, we can function. We have to cut off some service, but we can do it." But I want to make it to understand to the City Commission what is the common problem in everybody who comes down here. When we prepared this budget we have to give it up in April or May. It has to be there... The deadline is in May. As, you can see there I gave you how much cost a gallon of gas sixty-nine dollars and nine point a gallon. Today we are paying a dollar nine cents a gallon. Is it true what Dena said on the report that we was able to get two positions from the Community Development money. We are aware that the money that we get from Federal Revenue Sharing most of that money is for operational money. And as you can see there, there is your proof. I can give you sir, how much it used to cost to us a tire for one of the vehicles that used to be twenty-six dollars, today are fifty-seven dollars. So, gl 29 SEf 2 5 197S I don't know what to tell you. I don't where you are going to get the money, but we will try to do our best. Thank you. Mr. Plummer: How good are those vans at bank robbery, sir? Mr. Blanco: What? Mr. Plummer: Can those vans be used for bank robbery? Mr. Blanco: I was trying to sell one of them, because we got the new one from Community Development and I was trying to sell one of the ones we got and we got an offer for forty dollars. Mayor Ferre: Just for the record, so that we don't explain what you passed out. This is two gasoline bills, one is dated the 3rd of January of 1979 and the twenty-seven three tenth gallons sold for eighteen dollars. Mr. Blanco: Yes and twenty-eight... Mayor Ferre: And.the•next one is in Septeinbet 4th and it is for twenty-eight gallons, whith.is,:almOst the dollars thirty-three cents. Thank you.• •-••• • • •••. • Mr. B1anco Thank you. Mayor Ferre: Alright, are tbere any other speakers from the public at this time? If not we will take a five tninute break and ve will get back here and get back to work.Can we keep it to five uiinutes? - • . . ....• .„ „.. „„.,. NOTE: AT ThIS TIME THE • „ •,.. Mayor Ferre: The Chair recognizes you for a motion. (BACKGROUND COMMENT OFF THE PUBLIC RECORD) Mayor Ferre: You are? (BACKGROUND COMMENT OFF THE PUBLIC RECORD) Mayor Ferre: Oh, you are not. Alright, Mr. P3.ummer? Mr. Plummer: Yes, sir. Mayor Ferre: The Chair recognizes you sir, for the purposes of making a motion. (BACKGROUND COMMENTS OFF THE PUBLIC RECORD) Mayor Ferre: mr. p3.uraner? Mr. Plurmner: Yes, sir. Mayor Ferre: The Chair recognizes you' purposes chic c' -ne Plumrn . Fax w , er. hat? king a motion so Te/' c g°,7 herne: Ferre: For the oft.maevetyho y ken oun.obody d mayor Mayor, has _ No, _ head - Mr. Plummer: It's m waY Mayor , wyeels1.9 Mr. vote the s w that. Mr. pluinmer: about time you to make a... know • a else has zh ke out, we are all going We ,are? Mr. Plummer: Well, I don't think so. Mayor Ferre: I think so. gl 30 SE ' 2 5 197S Mr. Plutmner: I would like to'believe that I have that wicison to spvaker for Mayor Ferre: I think.. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor , let me give yoti my thoughts as we go down the line, ok. And you can accept this or alter it or however you want. Accion Community Center, Dena are you ready... I mean, it... you know, let's just admit it's going to take more dollars. Mayor Ferre: Just go. Mr. Plummer: I want Accion Community Center back up to the thirty, the Tacolcy. Sports Development I think at twenty. Mayor Ferre: No; it's at eleven, J. L. Mr. Plummer Be said he had to have twenty. Can you survive on anything les:? Now, be truthful with me. UNIDENTIF,IED SPEAKER: No, sir. No, sir. Mr. Plummer: Alright. Alright, Borinquen Health... Mayor Ferret Well, wait, wait, you skipped over the Youth Vocational Program. Mr. Plummer: Alright, that one I want to come back to. Alright, Borinquen Health I want to go to forty. Mr. Lacasa: Which one is that? Mr. Plummer: Borinquen Health Care Center. ' : Ms. Spillman: Bori.nque Mr. Lacasa: Borinquefl MrPlummerYes Ms. Spillman: How much? Mr. Plummer: Forty. The Day Care I want to take out and put in the general fund. We can still discuss at a later time that which was the other discussi.on, but I want it to go to the general fund. Mrs. Gordon: Are you talking about the Catholic Service Bureau, Overtown Day Care? Mr. Plummer: No, City Day Care, Rose. Our own program. I want to get that out of here completely and put it in the general fund where it, rightfully belongs. Dade County Schools... Mr. Lacasa: What about the Catholic Service Bureau? Mayor Ferre: He has left that at forty thousand. Mr. Plummer: Left that at forty. Mayor Ferre: Go ahead. Mr. Lacasa: And the Miami Bridge? Mr. Plummer: I left that at fourteen. The Dade County Schools Mr. Mayor, has not been set and I think it must be set, because that's almost two hundred thousand dollars. That, that was a commitment that this City made to the School Board and this City is living up to it's commitment. Mayor Ferre: That's right. Alright, let it stay at a hundred ninety-two seventy. Mr. Plummer: Ok. Mayor Ferre: Alright, go on. gl 31. SEP 2 5 137S Rev. Gibson: Let me add this J. L. Mr. Plummer: Yes, Father. Rev. Gibson: Just like we live up to ours,:I expect them to live up to theirs. Mr. Plummer: Oh, you better believe it. Rev. Gibson: I just want tomake sure that goes into the record, Mr. Plummer: You better believe that, I'm showinggood' faith. Mayor Ferre:. .First United Methodist the same. Mr. Plummer: The same. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer: Mrs. Gordon: Industrial Home for the Euind? thirty-five. Well,'Mr. Mayor, here''I have got a problem. If we. J. L., excuse ,me. Mr. Plummer Yes, Rose. • Mrs. Gordon: Severity thousand community schools ought to go into the general fund. It was always in the general fund -and only, very recently has it. been,, taken into revenue. sharing. Mr. Plummer: Mayor Ferre: Rose? Well, we'11... Mr. Plummer:. Rose, I'm a man of my word and I have, shown it,here toda want to annually remind them, as Father 'said to live up to theirs. Mayor Ferre: Alright, I will recognize you in a moment Mrs. Gordon. Go ahead Plummer. Mr. Plummer: Alright. Mr. Mayor, I have a problem with the Home for the Blind and my problem is I'm willing to go to fourteen to carrying that across that forty days if you can guarantee me that the rest of it can be picked up by CD. Ms. Spillman: We had.,a discussion and we don't... they can operate with the ten thousand of FRS through ,the<forty days. Mr. Plummer: Ms. Spillman:_ Mr. Plummer: Ms. Spillman: Alright. In other words, use the FRS onthe front end and °the ,CD.on` the. .. But you feel relatively certainthat can be picked up into. CD? Yes Mayor Ferre: Now Mr. Plummer we want a clear understanding of that. Ms. Spillman: But how much? Mr. Grassie: What's the total amount? Mr. Plummer: Spillman: i The twenty-five. n additional twenty- five:":thousand. Mr. Plummer: Yes Mayor Ferre: Y Mr. Plummer: Well, yes. es, it goes up to thirty-five.. but not here. It.would;stay at the ten here.': gl 32 SEP 2 5 1979 Ms. Spillman:. And twenty-five out of CD. Mayor Ferre: Ok Mr. Lacasa: But, but, let me,see. Dena," we have 'an absolute"und'erstanding that the Industrial Home for the Blind is:going,to get from CD without any problems, we won't find any difficulties in the futurewith the CD allocations. So you won't come to us three months from now and, tell us that now we have some kind of limitation in the CD Legislation Ms. Spillman: Let me make two comments. One is that if you would like to do this, we would like to take this out of the street improvement project in Little Havana. It has to come out of somewhere. Now, that's the first recommendation. The second is that I can only assume because we are already funding part of this. program from CD funds. It has been approved by HUD, but there will be no problem in going back to:HUD to increase the funding. I mean, I'm ninety-nine percent sure that they won't. Mayor Ferre:::,Well, if it happens to be one_percent, you know that some where"". we are going to get twenty-five thousand dollars. Mr. Plummer:'. Ms. Spillman: No, Ihave another question for you Mr. Plummer Ms. Spillman:; Mr. Plummer: Right. on anytime ,we want to use CD tnoney. Ms. Spillman: You are telling us do this without going through a citizen. participation process, because: if we do... Mayro Ferre: Yes, we are telling You Ito do it that way. That's correct. In. other words, we are telling you to -_take it;from.the.Street Improvement Funds if that's where you recommend. And I"think street" improvements are fine, but the blind need 'it more than the street improvements .' Mr. Plummer:. Mr. Lacasa: That Right: Mayor Ferre: Ok now... Mr. Plummer: Alright, moving ,on down the:`J E.S.C.A.; is ",fine, they are in goody- shape. Little Havana Activity:Center,"this is of course,;. feeding and I'm not going to sit up here4ne"tell° fifty people to go outs and'sterve. I am... I understood $1.05. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Plummer: $105 #1 10. Mayor Ferre: Mr...'`$1.05? NOW, -there is an: honest: Mr. Plummer: I projecting that Mayor Ferre: He could, have. gotten $1.10`and he went for ";$1.05. Mr. Plummer: He has always been an honest man with me. Mayor Ferre: ::Ok. Mr. Plummer Alright, Miami Jewish Home" for the Aged, one hundred fourteen thousand dollars. Alright. Mayor Ferre:. Mr. Plummer: St..Alban's Day Care stays, administration dropped Mrs. Gordon: That right, second the motion. o zero. gl 3' SEP 2 197S Mayor Ferrer No no, no, Mr. Plummer: The entire motion, Rose? Mrs. Gordon: I said the whole notion. So I wish you would put the last Part Mayor Ferre: Now, wait a maDmento wait a mcment, because this is veryfunny,. but it isn't funny. Now, you didn't include that in your 'motion do you? Mr. Plummer: No, Mr. Mayor? Mayor Ferre: Yon didn't include that in Your motion, did you? Mr. Plummer: No, sir, absolutely not. Mrs. Gordon: Chicken' Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, there is not question... Mrs. Gordon: J. L., you are a chicken' Mr. Plummer: No, I'm not chicken Rose. Let me tell you where I'm not chicken. I think I m very smart and I will tell you why. Mayor Ferre: No, that's just... you are practical. Mr. Plummer; Rose, if we don't put and let the people know that we are concerned of where that money is going and we want good accepted practices of auditing. Stop and think back in the CETA problems and the CD problems. You know what happened? It wasn't that there was that much scandal, it's when our auditors who used the standard accepted methods of auditing when these people used other auditing. And I think that, that is an absolute must, that those funds have got to be expended. We would like not to spend that for administration and put it towards helping the people. But I want to tell you something, I'm going to sleep a lot better knowing that everybody is playing by the same rules and at anytime you or I or the administration can walk in and say open those books then we are all playing by the same ball game. Now, Mr. Mayor, that only leaves one area that I haven't discussed and I got to admit, I've got some problems and that's in the Tacolcy Youth Vocational Program. And I iust... I really... Mrs. Gordon: I am going to tell you something J. L., if you are going to be as liberal as you are in everything else you have done, why should you cut out the training of the young people to prepare them for something worthwhile. Mr. Plummer: Well, you see, Rose, I will tell you why. I'm up front and I'm going to continue to be up front. I took exception with what the gentleman said. I understand what he said this evening and I understand what he is trying to accomplish, you know. But I can't sit up here in good and accept that this Commission has not done anything for that area. A hundred thirty seven thousand dollars to the Martin Luther King Park for people, two million dollars in a bond issue for that area... now, wait a minute, wait a minute, you know, you can disagree with me. Alrigfit? I have been to Tacolcy and I know the work that Tacolcy does, but how big can Tacolcy get, that's my problem. How much can you... How many programs can you put into that area. Now, as others have been honest with me, I will ask you to do it. What is the minimum you can run that program in Tacolcy for? UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: The minimum we can run that program for as I look at it, is about thirty-eight thousand dollars. Mr. Plummer: Alright, second question. Ms. Spillman: You already running it for twenty-two. (BACKGROUND COMMENT INAUDIBLE) Mr. Plummer: Second question, is this program the same as it was last year or is it a possibility that this could come,from CD money? (BACKGROUND COMMENT INAUDIBLE) Mr. Plummer: Well, I don't know. Is it an expansion, it's more money? Or is that strictly inflation or is it more children? Ms. Spillman: Mr. Pitts, would have to answer that question. gl 34 SEP 21979 Mrs. Gordon: it out. Mr. Plummer . Well Ms. Spillman: Mr. Plummer: ... I'm y why the additional funds.. Mayor Ferret Alright, that's twenty-two to the I'm just adding it up for you. I tell you what.I'M ready to do,... The twenty-two thousand is not a... ' read' to recommend` at twenty two: and then `.let you Ms. Spillman: Can I make a recommendation? Mrs. Gordon:. Yes, what?' ustify- ready, Ms. Spillman: 1.feel like I have to say this on behalf of St. Albans. have remained very quiet, it's. one, of, our better program.'and they haven't gotten up and complained and they have asked for a five percent increase every single'; year... Mrs. Gordon: Ms. Spillman: Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Plummer Mrs. Gordon.. Ms. Spillman: I.would'rove that we give them that increase by all means. It's just•five... it's a small amount'of money. Alright. To what, seventy two?. Yes, seventy Almost seventy-two.' Seventy-one six sixty-three. Mr. Plummer: I got no, problem with that. Mrs. Gordon: What about the request from the Overtown Day Care, I believe I heard theta say that they,were being cut.down so they had to remove twenty-five` children, eighteen children. How much do you need to keep it at the full level? Ms. Abreu: Sixty-two thousand dollars. Mrs. Gordon:::`Ok, :then J. L. Iwould suggest you give them the sixty-two thousand, (BACKGROUND;COMMENT OFF;THE,PUBLIC 'RECORD) L. has got a„ pocket; full} of dough, he is handing don't ,know, Ms. Spillman: Can I ask a.question to her? Mr. Plummer: Sure., ask the question. Ms. Spillman: Alicia, I just... I'm confused because when you said fifty-six thousand dollars and I don't understand Mrs. Gordon: Ask J. L., he is making all these (BACKGROUND COMMENT OFF THE PUBIC RECORD) motions ou.gave your presentation Mrs. Gordon: Ok, if everybody else is getting a birthday present, you might'; as well get one there too. Mr. Plummer: Well, I... who has got the calculator running?:; How much have we increased right now. • I have got reason for doing this. Mrs. Gordon:, I bet you have. Mr. Plummer: That's (BACKGROUND COMMENT Mr. Plummer: H right, .I sure do. INAUDIBLE).' ow much? gl SEP 2 1979 (BACKGROUND COMMENT INAUDIBLE,) Eight hundred four thousand from FRS without Day Care. Mr, Plummer: With extracting Day Care. " . Mayor Ferre: No, sir,I have... I beg yourpardon. My figures -are $814,000. You are wrong by ten thousand Eight hundred fourteen thousand Without including Day Care Centers and that doesn't include the Useful Aged or whatever: their names. Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Lacasa: Ms. Spillman: Mayor Ferre: Mr. Lacasa:_ Ms. Spillman: Mayor Ferre:. Alright, is not? Let. go for twenty-fivethousand for the Useful Aged. That can...,; iow many to their need? Twenty-three thousand. Twenty-three thousand That can be funded out of Community Development.. Ok, well, let's fund that out of Community Development, o Ms. Spillman." Can .I'.-:. Let me ask a question. I want to get this on the record. We have twenty thousand dollarbeaal�atchdfor the Nationalbudget Endowmentnforfor CubamtheaAr s Boulevard that was suppose to which we did not receive. I would... Mayor Ferre: Well, if we didn't receive the match, then how can we... Ms. Spillman: • .• suggest that we takethat twenty, thousand and the other three out of the street improvements. Mayor Ferre: Ms. Spillman: Mayor Ferre:` Ms. Spillman: Mayor Ferre: Ms. Spillma e didn't get the match, huh? o, we were rejected. as it a dollar for dollar match?" Yes. Well, why was it rejected? Other priorities. Mayor Ferre: `; Alright, Mr. Lacasa Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plumper Mr. Lacasa: 1low much was the match, Dena? Luinmer, you better close this or we. are I'm:trying to.`.. .ow.much was the match Ms. Spillman: Twenty. Mrs. Gordon: J. L.? Twenty and twenty. supposed to be? we can take. going to'go broke. Mr. Lacasa: Mrs. Gordon:: J. L., did, Your motieinoncludees rthat the e Day Care go into the General fund for the; same level of Mr. Plummer: No, Ma'am. No, Ma'am, I said we can discuss that later. But to transfer it now to the general funds, then we can discuss that matter. Alright, let me: tell you where I'm coming from, alright? Mr I'll I'll be darn if I know where you are coming from. Mr. Plummer: Ok, go ahead. I know exactly where I'm going too. 36 SEP 2 5 1979 Ms. Spillman: Wait, can I please add one thing that weneglected to add? Mr. Plummer: Yes, 'Ma 'ate, Ms. Spillman: The Useful Aged currently does not receive any funds ftoM the City, so that in order for them to operate before they get:.Community Development Funds which is that forty-five day period, they are going'to need a percentage of that twenty-three thousand from some where... Mr. Plummer: What percentage? Ms. Spillman: Forty-five days worth of about. Mr. Plummer Ms. Spillman: Mr. Plummer: dollars.thousand. Ms. Spillman,: Mr. Plummer twelvemonths. o`two...one sixth f what?. Of twenty-three thousand dollars. Six into that would be four thousand dollars. Four o Five? Please, tell me Alright, five Mrs. Gordon: Before you... Mr. Plummer: Rose Mrs. Gordon You better tell me where you are getting the money from, yes. Mr. Plummer Alright, Rose, I want to tell you exactly the way I have this thing figured.You all can disagree if you want, you asked for a motion, I gave it to you. If you take into consideration the total amount of dollars that we got last year which was approximately ten point four, ten million four hundred thousand;; dollars. This year we are getting approximately seven point eight, am I correct in my figures? Mr. Grassie: No, Commissioner, that's not strictly true. We did have that tuch moneyto use last year, but that's because we were carrying forward from a prior' year. .. Mr. Plummer: I understand that. I understantwtthat.WhateI'ss mgettingisg at Mr. Grassie, is that we are working on ten point percent ear than what we had last year. (BACKGROUND COMMENT OFF THE PUBLIC RECORD Mr. Plummer: Well, then you tell me... five" let e tell you'where I'm coming from, ok? Mr. Grassie: It's more than that less. (BACKGROUND COMMENT OFF THE PUBLIC RECORD) Mr. Plummer: Well, now, you know, I had asked for the figures may be I did an injustice to ask you so fast. lator er, but h. Grassie: I havmy percentit on the differencelessumoney availablenthis yearaforausy that's about twenty to spend in FRS than there was last year. Mr. Plummer: Alright, Mr. Grassie, if you take the figure is in column one. Last year this City spent nine hundred seventy-one thousand eight hundred seventy-seven dollars. Mayor Ferre: That's right. Mr. Plummer: Putting together all of those things of an increase that I have outlined here and removing Day Care we are putting forth, about eight point four percent less money to social services than we did last year. I can justify that in my mind. 3? SEF 25197E that in my mind. Mayor Terre: Yes, but you can't do that because City Day Care of the five hundred seventy-one thousand Mr. -Plummer, you have to deduct two hundred thirteen thousand that went to DayCare. Mr. Plummer. We've taken that out of the rim. of Federal Revenue..' Yes, please.: But you didn'ttake it out last year. I understand that. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer: Mayor Ferre: So it... tocompare apples to apples .you would have to take it out and therefore you would be down to seven hundred forty-seven thousand dollars more or less, ok. So in effect... that's right, to compare apples to apples you would go from seven forty-seven'to eight thirty-seven, that is an increase of ninety thousand dollars. That is approximately about thirteen percent. It is a thirteen percent increase over last year. Mr. Plummer: But Mr. Mayor, as we have in the past, as we have in the past taken things out:of Federal Revenue and put them over to the general fund is the same thing we ;are doing with the Day:Care "Centers. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer:;. Mayor Ferre: ;Yes, well I. mean... I'm just going on your statement that this is an eight, percent decrease and think in effect what it is, is a thirteen percent increase. Mr. Plummer:,Well,,, don't lookat - t that way. Now, ou are entitled to do it and figure it from where you think, but I'm thinking of. services that we provide. We are in effect in my estimation providing about eight percent less services, dollars to services .than we did the year previous. Mayor Ferre: :Is there a motion to your effect as you read off these figures? Is that°a"form of 'a motion Mr. Plummer? Mr. Plummer Mr. Mayor, it's opened for discussion. Mayor Ferrev o, it's not. Let's... Mr. Plummer You' asked;me to express.myself on how wants to -speak. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer: Mayor Ferre: Mr. Lacasa: Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer: Tacolcy? I, fee Let's see„who else Alright,`is that a motion`Mr. Plummer?' For the purposes of discussion, yes.. Alright ,'`is there a second? Second. Alright, ` is Wait, a minute there further discussion, call the roll., one..clarification. Where'did. we; come out on Mayor Ferre Tacolcy was twenty-two thousand dollarsfor the Youth Vocational Program and twenty-two thousand dollars for the Tacolcy Sports Development Program. Mr. Plummer I Ms. Spillman: Mr. Grassie: Mayor Ferre:. Ms. Spillman: sixty- eight. s that in the eight nineteen? it's eight. Twenty thousand Twenty thousand, total with Our six... for Sports Development, Mr. Na I beg your pardon. the administration is eight sixty-seven one gl 38 SEP 2 51979 Mr. Plummer: Alright, Ms. Spillman: Mr. Plummer: eight sixty-seven? One sixty=eight. You are removing all of the Day Care? Mayor Ferre: Yes. Ms. Spillman: With no Day Care. Mr. Plummer: Alright, Mayor Ferre:; es. No City` Day Care. give me one Mr. Plummer: Mr. Gary, eight seven point eight million? Mr. Gary: Give it to me again, eight sixty-seven?; last figure. We are under discussion now. hundred sixty-seven thousand is what percent o Mr. Plummer: I m using i h figures eight hundred sixty-seven thousand dollars is what percent of seven point eight million which I understand isthe-figure of the total of Revenue Snaring UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: eleven percent. ing M. Plummer: Eleven percent nationalthis averageCity wasused five.pride I canitself live with thatat twwentyypercent where the Mrs. Gordon: On discussion... Mr. Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Pitts, youwant to make a statement? Mr. Pitts: Yes, I would like to make a statement. Our request this year is for forty-eight thousand dollars. We repeatedly requested above what we always receive. This program presently has one staff member in the program. We have complemented that program at best with CETA folk. The unilateral kinds of things ry stled ad that have happened out ditionalAmonieshas awe requestedrde this �Weehave none staffnthat's person in the reason for the ad the entire project and this is... Mr. Plummer: Did you understand my statement? I asked you had your program expanded and your answer was "no", ok, which would have possibly qualified you for the CD money. Mr. Pitts: Well, I didn't understand you... e ed for Mr. Plummer: I left it on a basis be an additional reconsiderationthbutewe are the additional money there would at least funding you at the same level at what you were last year. Mr. Pitts: Well, I hear that statement, I don't know if we could be improved upon, but I know we definitedlY need the money and if we did not need it I would not request it. That's the best statement I can make. Mrs. Gordon: Are you talking about the Youth Vocational Program? Mr. Pitts: Yes, I am. Mrs. Gordon: Would you give us a brief overview of just what you do with that program. rovide a variety of service! to $Qvf� Engle. Mr. Pitts: In this program we p i We provide intake and vocational conseling, job referrals, o s t n, job development, job placement, we test the youngsters. You know, we replace them in workshops, we place them in vocational training programs through -out the City. Last year we served three hundred twenty-five youngsters, we have one staff person in the program. Mrs. Gordon: That's all? Mr. Pitts: We have been successful to date by accompanying that program with other sources. We don't have that money available any longer that's why we are asking for additional dollars. 39 SEP 2 5 1979 e- Mrs. Gordon: How much do Mr. Pitts: We need... We at best, if we could take thousand dollars we could Mrs. Gordon:` you need? requested forty-eight thousand dollars and I have looked a_tenthousand dollar cut in'that .for thirty-eight` run an affective program. You are saying thirty-eight thousand? Mr.. Pitts: Total dollars. does for the young.people... it helps en something he shouldn't. I suggest that this is money well spent we are in a position we have suddenly found a well his poof, ggold. I think the thirty-eight thousand would be Well spent in 'Mr.Pitts: Thank you, very much Mrs. Gordon. Mr Plummer: Rose, I will accept your substitute. as long as Mrs. Gordon: J. L., if this program one child from getting on drugs, it keeps one kid straight from getting into ` Mayor -Ferret Alright,. there is a substitute Motion -to increase that by that amount. -IS there further •discussion,_ alright,. call• the, roll want the motion`'reread in it's entirety.'. Each one of the.agencies? Mrs. Gordon: Ms. Hirai' Mrs. Gordon Everything. 'I want to knov what we are Mr. Plummer: Yes read the whole thing Ms. Hirai:' Alright,?h have for 'Accion onethat hasnity justCbeenramendedto thirtyaeight,. for the Youth Vocational is the Sports Development was the twenty thousand seven ninety-four... Ms. Spillman: Twenty thousand. Mr. Plummer: No, twenty thousand Mayor Ferre: Twenty thousand even. . Hirai: Yes. Catholic. even. Mrs. Gordon: Ms. Hirai: Mr. Plummer ow much? Fourteen. :Fourteen, voting on Borinquen Health forty;, thousand. Services I have fourteen thousand. our eleven. Miami Bridge, Miami Bridge. Catholic s the bridge. Ms. Spillman:. Gordon: That Mrs. Mr. Plummer: Mayor Ferre Fourteen four eleven. The Overtown Day Care Center.` Services is Miami ;Bridge. Mrs. Gordon: , Youth... oh, yes that one. Mayor Ferre: Catholic Service Bureau OvertoWfl Day Care and Center was sixty... No Mr. Lacasa Sixty-two. Mrs. Gordon Sixty-two. Ms. Hirai: Sixty-two thousand. Mayor Ferre: The Day Care Center was removed from this? Neighborhoo Ms. .Hirai: `Yes and into the.... Mayor Ferre: The school... The Dade County After School Care Program one hundred ninety-two thousand seventeen and Community School seventy thousand. 40 SEP 25 1979 IS• The First United Methodist stays the same, Industrial Home for fthe Blrom theind dtstats the sameewith the ti nrof proviso tareeanin theeLittleand is Havanacoming section. The.J.E.S.C.A. improvement portion of revious amount....'..' Coconut Grove and the Culmer are increased to their p Ms. Spillman: No, wait, what? Mrs. Gordon: What? Ms. Spillman: Now, what? Mr. Lacasa: Thirty-six thousand. Mr. Plummer: Mayor Ferre: No,'they don't stay the same. The motion that Plummer made was. that he wasn't going to reduce the twenty -five -meals that J.E.S.C.A.... Mr. Plummer: No, that was from Little Havana.` Mrs. Gordon: You got your places mixed. Mr. Plummer: See Mayor... Maurice, what my figure was that it is just a adjustment. If you take the total dollars of what they got last year they are still getting the total dollars. Ms. Spillman: No, that's not true. Mr. Plummer: Well, now that was you statement. Ms. Spillman: I know, I made a mistake. They were being Mr. Plummer: Well, then I stand corrected, we stand corrected. Mayor Ferre: Well, I will tell you, I would... I think if we are do this in the same way... Mrs. Gordon: amount? Ms. Spillman The amount that 'they received last year, jointly that would have been a six thousand dollar cut. Mrs. Gordon: Well, what should it be? What did you say... I'didn't'hear you Dena. Ms. Spillman: Well., I don't know what it should be year was thirty-six thousand... Mayor Ferre: Replace the six thousand dollars. Ms. Spillman: ... thirty-six for each. Mayor Ferret That's the way I understood it. Ms. Spillman: But they requested a change so that Coconut forty-two thousand four hundred eleven and Culmer would be nine thousand six hundred eighty-three. Mayor Ferre: I think my position is very simple, you can't do for Little Havana what you are not willing to do for J.E.S.C.A. and vice versa. Mrs. Gordon: No, question about it. Grove would receive reduced to twenty - Mayor Ferre: Now, if we went up to one hundred five thousand in Little Havana, I think you have got to do the same thing for J.E.S.C.A. Well, are you going to bring Coconut Grove J.E.S.C.A. down? No, I'm going to... Mr. Plummer: Mayor Ferre: Ms. Spillman: .Well, they requested that. Mayor Ferre: gl. I got no problem. 41 That was at their SEP 2 51979 rrqu0ta, Cucunut t;I uvr µuPn•u11 nI Ms. Spillman: Culmcr goes down at their their 'request. Mayor Ferre: Ok, that's fine with me Ms. Spillman;, So, it's forty-two thousand four eleven',for the Grove and twenty- nine thousand six eighty-three for"Culmer. Mayor Ferre: Ok. Mr. Plummer. Wait a minute,forty-two four eleven for the Grove and what? Mayor rerre: Twenty-nine thousand "six hundred eighty-three. dollars'.' Mr. Plummer Ok. And . the Miami' Jewish'. Home for:, the Aged. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer: Mayor Ferre" Mr. Plummer; Mayor Ferre: The Miami Jewish Home for the Aged is one hundred fourteen thousand' six hundred ninety-five dollars. St. Alban's... Mr. Plummer.: Wait a minute, let me stop there. I got one problem with that friend. I. thinkyou got to take those two items out, ok. Now, I'm reinstating. you up to the present level offunding and tthink thatsi item in reference to pension puts us in an untenableposition Mayor Ferre: Alright, then remove six hundred.... Mr. Plummer: Scott you can pay that from somewhere else. Mayor Ferre: Make it then a hundred fourteen thousand even. Mr. Plummer -Make it one fourteen even money. Mayor Ferre: Ok. St. Alban's Day Nursery Dena, was how much? Ms. Spillman: Seventy-one thousand six hundred sixty-three. Mayor Ferre: Alright, Administration is thirty-six thousand and the additional thing that we putin there is the Los Viejos Utiles... Ms. Spillman: Viejos Utiles five thousand. Wait"a minute; Little Havana?'. Little Havana is a hundred five thousand. Right. Mayor Ferre: 'Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Plummer: Mrs. Gordon:, Oh. ... for twenty... What. What was that?. The :old people. Ms. Spillman: five thousand. FRS. Mayor Ferre: The Useful Aged, I, think "he said. Mr. Plummer: With the same proviso... Ms. Spillman: Correct. Mr. Plummer: ... that they can qualify for CD ninety-nine percent? Ms. Spillman: Right. Mr. Plummer: Ok. Mayor Ferre: And I only have one other request Mr. Grassie, that I would like to insert in this and that is that we give a very thorough review once again to this program of project freul•think tha issoatetst look at and I would be very grateful wet J.E.S.C.A.p people already have a functional program and even Elizabeth Virrick. I don't know only, 42 gl SEP 2 +979 how active and who she has. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, may I suggest Mrs. Gordon and I sit on the Criminal Justice Board which doles out the funds from LEEA. If the administration would prepare a presentation for either one of us to make at the next meeting I, if Rose is tied up I would be happy to do such. I think there are monies available through LEEA. I have a grantsman in Tallahassee with the Florida League maybe he can find you some money. Let's explore all of those avenues and see what we can do, but I will personally carry the ball for you. Mayor Ferre: Alright. Mrs. Gordon: Iwant the motion reread again so we have everything absolutely clear. Ms. Hirai: Alright. Accion Community Center- thirty thousand, the Youth Vocational Program- thirty-eight thousand, Belafonte Tacolcy Sports Development - twenty thousand, the Borinquen Health- forty thousand, Catholic Service Bureau - fourteen thousand four hundred eleven, Catholic Service Bureauu/Overtown DayCre and Neighborhood- sixty-two thousand, City Day Care just to gointo the general fund and it will be discussed later, Dade County Schools/After School Care Program/Community Schools, that's the one ninety-two and the seventy thousand, First United Methodist Church, the same, it stays the same, inouscriai Home for the Blind, that was to go to twenty-five for a total of twenty-five thousand... Mrs. Gordon: No, no, no, ten thousand. Ms. Spillman: No, no, no, ten. Mr. Lacasa: No, no no for a total of Mrs. Gordon: No, Ms. Spillman:,; Ten thousand from FRS. Mr. Lacasa: Ten and twenty-five. Mrs. Gordon: The CD. doesn't come under this resolution. Mr. Plummer: With a ninety-nine percent guarantee. Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Plummer: Mrs. Gordon: thirty-five thousand. en thousand from here and twenty-five.. Yes, but that doesn't come into this resolution, I don't. think. Not at all:. Ok. You got it straighten? Ms. Hirai: So how much will Mrs. Gordon: Ten. Ms. Spillman: Ten thousan it be? Mr. Plummer: It will come back later if it's not ninety-nine. Ms. Hirai: J.E.S.C.A. Coconut Grove- forty-two thousand four hundred eleven. Ms. Spillman: Can I make a request here? J.E.S.C.A. has requested that we fund them... instead of funding them separately in the Grove and Culmer, we fund them as one program for a total of seventy-two thousand ninety-four. J.E.S.C.A. Coconut Grove and Culmer as one program.. Ms. Hirai: Little Havana Activity Center- one hundred five thousand, Miami Jewish Home and Hospital for the Aged/Douglas Garden Senior- one hundred fourteen thousand, St. Alban's Day Nursery- seventy-one thousand six hundred sixty-three, Administration- thirty-six thousand and Los Viejos Utiles with the proviso of the CD funds for twenty-three thousand. Mayor Ferre: That comes from CD. Mrs. Gordon: No, five thousand. Ms. Spillman: Five thousand FRS. SEF 2 5 1979 Mayor Ferre: That comes from CD. Mrs. Gordon: Five: Ms. Hirai:Only five thousand. 'Mrs. Gordon: Alright,; onemore time. • Ms. Spillman: And Administration- thirty-six thousand. Ms. Hirai: Yes, I stated that. Mrs. Gordon: Ok, final resume. Ms. Hirai: Alright, Accion Community- thirty thousand. Mrs. Gordon: How much? Ms. Hirai: Thirty thousand. Belafonte Tacolcy Youth Vocational- thirty-eight thousand, Belafonte Tacolcy Sports Development- twenty thousand, Borinquen Health Care Center- forty thousand, Catholic Service Bureau/Miami Bridge - fourteen thousand four hundred eleven, Catholic Service Bureau/Overtown Day Care and Neighborhood Center- sixty-two thousand, City Day Care just to go into the general fund, Dade Schools and After School Care Program/Community Schools one hundred ninety-two thousand seventeen plus seventy thousand, First United Methodist Church the same, Industrial Home for the Blind- ten thousand, j.E.S.C.A. Coconut Grove and Culmer... Mr. Grassie: Could we... I'm sorry, could we have a repetition on the First United Church, please? Ms. Spillman: Ms. Hirai It Mr. Grassie: Ms. Spillman: Which is nine three five eight. Ms. Hirai: And the Industrial he B ten thousand, JE.S.C.A. Coconut and Culmer for abined total ofseventytwothoudandninety four, ur, Little Havana Community Center- one hundred five thousand, Miami Jewish Home and Hospital. for the Aged/Douglas Garden Senior Adult Day Care- one hundred fourteen thousand dollars, St. Alban's Day Nursery- seventy-one six hundred sixty-three, Administration- thirty-six thousand and Los Viejos Utiles- five thousand dollars Federal Revenue Sharing, only five thousand. Mrs. Gordon: What is the total? What's the absolute bottom line? Mr. Blanco: Mr. Mayor, before you start to close that I would like to ask you Dena some questions. Dena, I understand that on the Community Development money issue, because we are going to have for next year eight buses, can we eigetin re money from Community Development in accordance with the new Because I don't know how can I... we survive with only... I mean, with the same money that last year when we presented to the City Commission for the same buses for forty percent or more just on gas and this morning there (unintelligible) the federal revenue money that we use is for expenses money and 1 showed you a receipt that I gave to you there, there is forty cents more the gallon. It was fifteen dollars more for just one day work. How can we succeed with the same money as last year? Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Blanco, you think that... because I was saying the same thing that you are saying now. Do you believe that with ten thousand dollars more you can cover the additional expenses in gas? Mr. Blanco: Armando, like I said before we will do our best, but as we can come down here and fight every year if we have to cut the service, the City of Miami people are the ones who will suffer. Mr. Lacasa: J. L., would you accept... Mr. Blanco: But there is no way, I don't believe that you people as citizens... gl She didn't give the figure., stays at the - same amount..'.. SE 2uI91D just the gas, everybody know around here how much the I brought you one proof, j with this: gas and more -so our budget is based on the gas..We can't do nothing same as last year. Mt. Lecaea: I know, I realize that Would you accept to amend the Accion funding up to forty thousand?; Mr. Plutmner t:, So be it. Mr. Lacasa: _ .Alright. Mayor Ferret Alright, further discussion on the motion as amended one more time? Call the roll. Mrs. Gordon: Question?: (BACKGROUND COMMENT OFF THE' PUBLIC RECORD) 4' What is the total budget? What are we allocating Mrs. Gordon: Question. What is the bottom line? 'Sod►ebody give me an answer. What out? three. Ms. Spillman. Eight hundred ninety-nine. thousand five hundred forty siblof more usefulness to you though is you need. to know that Mr. Grassie.. .Pos Y you have made the deficit grow. That is... Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Grassier four hundred Mrs. Gordon: i from? That's what I want to know. Where are we getting the money from ,' ... the amount of money for which we don't hive any funds to fifty thousand dollars. Alright, J. L. Plummer, will you tell me where the money - .is cote ng Mr. Plummer: Rose, I have no problem of telling you the money has. been saved by by Rose Gordon in six hundred thousand dollars in future. that ou have accept that, then I'm very happY Y:_ Mrs. Gordon: You are willing to accepted that,great. Mr. Plummer: Rose, you know,... no, I'm not accepting it that's one place. Great, ok, just wanted to know. Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Plummer: Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Plummer Mayor Ferret Mr. Plummer: Mrs. Gordon: but I'm'thinking can save some money. I buy that as one place of where we That's fine. You know, Rose, look, I have... You don't have to do that J. L., we will have.money for it. Look, what I'm saying is this. I can sleep very well tonight... What about this double taxation bit? well ht Mr. Plummer: Let me finish onRisegoingato•spendan about eighp typercentoofgit's... knowing that this Commpeople excuse me, eleven percent of it's 1have noal revenue problem sharing for p p service orientated programs. Mayor Ferre: Further discussion? . Gordon: Aunt of =venue sharinge are just sthatting theythe receiveger then to take the from federal government appropriate amount of and allocates it to these programs. Fine. Mayor Ferre: Further discussion? And that was not part of the motion. discussion, call the roll. Further gl 45 SEP 2 v -9?9 ON ROLL CALL: Mrs. Gordon: With the proviso that the money will be made available is "Yes". Mayor Ferret Obviously,: the: money is made available. west the answer Mrs. Gordon: From. MayorFerret From nothing, that: was not part of the motion The sources w beill be defined as we get into the final strokes of the budget.= That is not part o the motion. The following motion moved its. adoption: was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who MOTION NO. 79-634 A MOTION ALLOCATING FY-79-80 FLDERAL REVENUE SHARING FUNDS TO SERVICES FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE AIN AGENCIES TO PROVIDE SOCIA CITY OF MIAMI AS FOLLOWS: ACTION COMMUNITY CENTER BELAFONTE TACOLCY YOUTH VOCATIONAL PROGRAM BELAFONTE TACOLCY SPORTS DEVELOPMENT BORINQUEN HEALTH CARE CENTER CATHOLIC SERVICE BUREAU - MIAMI BRIDGE CATHOLIC SERVICE BUREAU - OVERTOWN DAY CARE & NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER DADE COUNTY SCHOOLS -AFTER SCHOOL CARE PROGRAM DADE COUNTY SCHOOLS -COMMUNITY CHURCH SCHOOLS FIRST UNITED ME INDUSTRIAL HOME FOR THE BLIND J.E.S.C.A.-COCONUT GROVE E CULMER LITTLE HAVANA ACTIVITY CENTER MIAMI JEWISGARDENS6SENIORTADULTAL RDAYECARED _ ST. ALBAN'S DAY NURSERY LOSIVIEJOSTION UTILES ("The Useful Aged") SUCH REVENUE SHAPING ALLOCATIONS $O113XCLODESEE CITYOOFOMIAOI DAY CARE OPERATIONS IN THE AMOUNOF 79-635 FOR CLARIFICATION. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote - Commissioner Rose Gordon Commissioner Armando Lacasa Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice -Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre AYES: NOES: None. Mayor Ferre: Alright, where are we now? Mr. Lacasa: Day Care. that it be nded to Mrs. Gordon: The Day Care Program. I would move hirteen thousand dollarsuas previouslyualienatedhe same level'' the two hundred t Mayor ll be : Thato was ndtthethe same exacton that motionseconded Ilast secondedtime. last time.. I will be happy to sec Mr. Plummer: Well, you know, Maurice..: Mayor Ferre: Plummer, I will tell you do ithe proviso and this way, thatiweecharge and that we ink it's important that we... and I wan $40,000 $38,000 $20,000 $40,000 $14,411 $62,000 $192,017 $70,000 $9,358 $10,000 $72,094 $105,000 $114,000 $71,60 S36,000 $5,000 gl 46 SEP 2 51979 render equal service to what other governmental programs in this community. Mrs. Gordon: That's a nebulous thing, you have got to set a figure you just can't... equal to what? Mr. Plummer: Alright, Rose, let me tell you what I can live with that I think will let these people go home and sleep as well as I will. _ I'm all in favor of expending the two hundred thirteen thousand dollars for Day Care, that will tell them they got their program, the teachers stay. I think this Commission must go back into the rates of what the people pay to help support their own program. Now, backing the two thirteen says to these people, you have got your program, you have got your same teachers, but I think this Commission must go back and examine as to what the quality of the program and what the individuals contribute to the program. We might come out Rose, with the same figure. I'm not saying that I won't, but I have been given enough information here that I want to take another look in that area. Mrs. Gordon: Alright,°J. L., I want to tell you what I feel. I feel that we have a -Day .Care Committee which is a very competent group of people and we ought to turn this over to them and let them come back and make a recommendation of; what is.feasible. Mr. Plummer: no problem with that as long as they'. do_ Mrs. Gordon: Pronto? Muy pronto.' Alright, pronto, that's sitting here. Mr. Plummer: Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Plummer: But I'm not bound by it. Mrs. Gordon: You are bound by what? Mr. Plummer: I'm not bound by their recommendation as a Commissioner voting. I want their input, I want their ratification, their justification. I have great faith in Anne. Rev. Gibson: Plummer, what weare saying. ask a question? I don't understand' Mr. Plummer: Alright, let me tell you, Father. Rev. Gibson: No, no, no, I'm talking about going to the Committee let them make a recommendation. I don't understand, what are you telling me? Mr. Plummer: Father, those people deal in Day Care. Anne Wilson is probably the foremost expert in that field in Dade County, South Florida and a lot of others. I want them to take these figures furnished to us by the Administration and I want them to chew those figures up and come back, "yes" they are right, "no" here where they are off, then I as a Commissioner making a vote can sit down and try to make a reasonable explanation. Rev. Gibson: Wall, let me... Mayor Ferre: Well, then what... are you making this as a... Mrs. Gordon: That was the motion. Mayor Ferre:... intention... a motion of intention? Mr. Plummer: Well, the motion that Mrs. Gordon made and you seconded... Mayor Ferre: No, no, I haven't seconded it. No. I said that I would only second a motion previous to the... like the previous motion which specifically had in it the proviso that we are not going to render additional service are charge any less or more than what Metropolitan Dade County does in their Day Care Centers. Mr. Plummer: Alright, here again,... Mayor Ferre: I don't care what St. Stevens does or what anybody else does. Mr. Plummer: I don't know what the rationale that Metro uses to set their fees, that's what I want to hold in the prerogative. If there is a motion made that this City spend two hundred thirteen thousand dollars for Day Care Centers, I will gl 4� SEP 2 196 vote for that motion. Alright. Mrs. Gordon: Alright, we will do that. I will move it that way. W. Plummer: But then my second motion.. Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Plummer: My second motion. is that contribution by the parents, to the program. in weekly charges is to be' reviewed' by ' the Child Day;CareCommittee.. Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Plummer: Mayor Ferre: That's_ fine.. and report back to this; Commission... For final action. Mr. Plummer: ... for final action and this Commission as always by their recommendation. Mayor Ferre: Within what period of Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I understand these new fees as proposed by the Administration were to become effective January 1st, is that correct? So as long as they report back to me by December 1st, I can still act. Mayor Ferre: That's fine. .That's a second, Mrs. Gordon, do you accept that? Mr. Plummer: Oh, very, definitely. Mrs. Gordon: That was two motions, the first motion was to fund it and the second motion J. L. wants to make it... Mayor Ferre: No. Mrs. Gordon: Yes, that's what he said. Mayor Ferre: That's not what I. Mrs. Gordon: I understand English time? Mr. Plummer: I shall not enter into that discussion. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer, as I understood that was all part and parcel of one motion, you are not divide... Mrs. Gordon: No, J. L. Plummer said it was two motions. Mr. Plummer: Maurice, it's really immaterial whether it's one motion or two as long as I got the assurance'that the second motion is going to pass. Mrs. Gordon: Well, I'm going to vote with. Mayor Ferre: Plummer, I think that it is part of the whole thrust of this that you make it into one... I can't vote for it otherwise. Mr. Plummer: Fine, fine, I will make it into one motion that... Mrs. Gordon: J. L., I' made the first motion and I make it to fund it to the tune of two hundred thirteen thousand. Mayor Ferre: Is there a second to that motion? Is there a second to that motion? Hearing none... Mr. Plummer: I make a motion Mr. Mayor, that the City expend two hundred thirteen thousand dollars from it's general fund for the purposes of Day Care and the operation of 1979-78. That the same teachers be retained that presently serve and at the same time the... Rev. Gibson: Mr. Plummer: Rev. Gibson: gl I don't think... Oh, I'm sorry, I can't tell him which teachers. Right. SEP 2 519?9 Mayor Ferre: Are you going to go before you seconded or something? Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, in justification I think Mrs. Gordon: You are cute. Mr. Mayor, you such a cute Mayor Ferre: Very nice, Rose. Mr. Plummer: I won't agree with that, Rose. I would rather fight than switch. I think that in all reality to the parents that are here tonight and very concerned. I'm sure that all of you are well aware that the price of everything has gone up, ok and I got to believe that you fully expect some increase. You've got to expect it. The teachers are making more, the supplies cost more and I hope that this Commission can see it's way clear to raise your fees no more than what the inflationary factor is. I would hope that, that would be the case, but I don't think any parent in good justice is going to walk out these doors tonight thinking that they are going to get it for the same exact amount they had it for last year because you just can't do it. Don't argue when you are ahead. If you argue when you are ahead, you are... (BACKGROUND COMMENT OFF THE PUBLIC RECORD) Mr. Plummer: Sir, don't argue when you are ahead. Rev. Gibson: J. L.? Mr. Plummer: Mayor Ferre: Go ahead. Rev. Gibson: Why do we have to wait until December? Mr. Plummer: Father, only because the Administration is besieged with problems at the present time. We've got some bigs items that are still coming up and I don't want to bind them Father. Well, look, let's put it this way. The report coming back to us no later than... Mayor Ferre: I thought you wanted to go home? No later than December lst,', further discussion, call the roll. Mr. Plummer: That those people on hold be in a go position. Is that... Gabriel do you understand hold? Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Plummer: Alright, alright, I will second And that the... Mayor Ferre: Let him finish the motion. it. Mr. Plummer: ... Child Day Care Committee` be: instructed to review with, staff a proposed fee schedule for final action of this Commission no later than December 1st for any possible alteration of fees charged tobecome effective January 1st. Mrs. Gordon: Mr. Lacasa: Mrs. Gordon: Alright, I second it. Second the motion.' I was already seconding it. Jesus Christ, you,thirded,it. Mayor Ferre: klright, further discussion Mr. Plummer: Well, let's put it call the roll. this way Mr. Mayor... another Committee andread:the motion that the parents of the... little boy. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 79-635 A MOTION THAT THE CITY EXPEND $213,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE OPERATION OF CITY OF MIAMI DAY CARE CENTERS AND FURTHER STIPULATING THAT THE CHILD DAY CARE COMMITTEE BE INSTRUCTED TO 49 SEP 2 5 1979 UM NIP REVIEW WITH STAFF A PROPOSED FEE SCHEDULE FOR FINAL ACTION BY THE CITY COMMISSION BY DECEMBER 1, 1979,.SUCH FEES TO BECOME EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1, 1980. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gordon, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote - AYES: NOES: None. 81 ADJOURNMENT: Commissioner Rose Gordon' Commissioner Armando Lacasa Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore Gibson Vice -Mayor J. L. Plummer, Jr Mayor Maurice A. Ferre There being no further business to come before the City Commission,; on motion duly made and seconded, the meeting was adjourned at:11 100'Clock' P.M. ATTEST: RALPH G. ONGIE CITY CLERK MATTY HIRAI ASSISTANT CITY CLERK MAURICE A. FERRE MAYOR ' 41 q • 1. fah SEP 2 5 1979