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FORMALIZING RESOLUTION: RESCHEDULE TIMEOF MAY MEETINGS
R-80-326
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AND SCHEDULE MEETING FOR MAY 7 FOR COMPREHENSIVE
ZONING ORDINANCE AND OTHER MATTERS
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DEFER CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE: CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
DEFER
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APPROPRIATIONS RENOVATION OF GENERAL ACCOUNTING
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APPROVE PARTIAL PAYMENT: LAW FIRM OF BRYANT, MILLER
R-80-327
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& OLIVE IN CONNECTION WITH WATSON ISLAND DEVELOPMENT
PROJECT
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APPOINT MR. JACK ALFONSO AS ALTERNATE MEMBER OF THE
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CITY OF MIAMI ZONING BOARD
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REPORT ON PLANS FOR,PROVIDING TRAINING TO CETA TITLE
R-80-329
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IID AND CETA TITLE VI PARTICIPANTS -AUTHORIZE
M-80=330:
CONTRACTS WITH FIRMS AND DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO
SCREEN AND RECOMMEND ADDITIONAL FIRMS
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1. FOR^ALIGING RESOLUTION: R.ESCH DULE TVIE OF IAAY T�FTI�Ir,S '� TD
SCHEDULE PlEXTING FOR !1AY 7 FOR COIi?'2EIIE' VF 70*?ING ORDIt1A'CE z'
AND OTHER MATTERS
Mayor Ferre: Okay, we're a continuation of the April 24th meeting.
All right, then we'll take up two. How about that? Is that a problem?
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Mayor.Ferre-' All zight,'Plummer ,moves item five, Gibson seconds.
Further discussion. Call theroll on...
Father Gibson: Is'ithis*'..
Mayor Ferrer ;Five. No;'sir. It`s the 'continuation of the amended:
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agenda: Formalization of City Commission actions. This reschedules
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he regular meeting of May 8th and, May 22nd, to at 1:00 P.M.
further scheduling;the.meeting of May 7th to `start' at 3 00 P M.,
Further discussion? Call the roll on five.
uon was, ced.by Commissionez'Plummer
The following>resol,
Who moved its adoption:; -
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RESOLUTION NO. 80-326
A RESOLUTION RESCHEDULING THE REGULAR CITY'
COMMISSION MEETINGS OF MAY 8TH, 1980, AND
MAY 22, 1980 FOR COMMENCEMENT ,AT 1:00 P.M,0;,
FURTHER SCHEDULING A REGULAR CITY COMMISSION`
MEETING ,FOR MAY 7, 1980 TO HEAR PLANKING AND
ZONING MATTERS, COMMENCING AT 3:00 P.M.
(Here follows body of.resolution, omitted here and-
.on in the Office of the'City Clerkl-
Upon being seconded,by;Commissioner Gibson, -the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES.,Commissioner'J. Lt Plummer_, Jr.
Commissioner,(ev..);Theodore R'.,Gibson
Mayor Maurice;A: Fevre
Mayor Ferre: All right, we're in the session now, and the question
before us, before we can get into one, I think we can lispatch the
other five so that Jack Alfonso can go back to his buisiness. Lets
take up item number two. Is there a motion on that? This is...
Mr. Plummer: I move to defer.
Mayor Ferre: There's a motion.to defer, is there a second?
Mr. Lacasas Second.
Mayor'-Ferre: Further discussion? Call the roll on deferral.
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Carollo: I...Howard, do you want to add anything to that?
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Howard Gary: Yeah.' Basically, the major concern, as I have
o£,the.City Commissioners,
perceived it,`after talking to the Manager and some
for the Pension Office, and that
was one ;of how we provide adequate space
the major issue. At that time, prior to Vince
seemed. to have been
going to the Pension Office and verifying the space, I talked to
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Elena.about the space we were going to provide for her, which
Director's office, where we
=basically,
right adjacent to theFinance
time use to include about
now have the auditors. That space at one
was there. It has been recently _
five people, when Labor Relations
Labor Relations was there, walls, carpet, floors
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remodeled when
carpeted, walls are paneled, separate entrance and, exit, two of them.
There's
me that she's sa.,
Elena has assured me that with this space
one minor problem; 'that is making sure that we provide some additional
done ;at the
filing space for her, which we, will do. This was not
to do this, which means that:they will
request of Elena, we volunteered
from the City Hall''compl'ex. You:know,.if you approve this.
not move
plan', they will immediately move.this area ovsy here.
Mr.•Carollo: Well, Howard.:.
Mayor Ferrer` A1L right, Mr: Carollo.
Mr. Carollo: Thank you, Mr! Mayor. That was one o f the several`
the Commission...
concerns that I had, for one. I'think other mem1.bers of
but.I ill keeps another, 'see,that,while one problem is solved, it st,
for instance,
floating around.' Another of the concerns that I, have,
with the City.
is, the:City Clerk's Office. one of our vital areas
in`that office. It's
I don';a think anyone here denies the lack of space
been approachediseveral
my understanding that the City Manager has
in I for one, have
times., the past for additional space .there.
that office.
1.always stood that we should find some adequate space.:
Office has.been resolved,;we
N_11ow, while the problem of the Pension
the problem of the City Clerk's Office.
still'have'complicated; even more,
'see adequate additional space to be found for,;
I Would,, like to some
:Office.. We have several people that are working there
the City Clerk's
that are:one on`top of the; other, there is very, very little space "
to wd k.on.,=and to_breath upon. That,is.one, is one of the concerns that .I
have, and that .I want something;done;on that right away. Not two
the'next:City election.
years from-now,;.a year and one half from now,
Mr. Gary: May I respond?
Mr: Carollo: Okay, now. The other. area that, you know, .I dust have
to shake my head at, I can't understand, and I'don't want to mix one
thing with the other; do you know what mean?. .But I.find it ;hard
that'h have here .now; on the Commission, -for approximately.
,been
six months and have 'barely, barely enough office furniture to.work
facilities
upon. I was short11 one desk for one of my aide's,' -the seating
and it
for people who come here ,`seats for my own people,to,six',upon,;
fu into`
finally get some
has taken me six months to finally,:'rniture
the furniture that.
my office. And I haven't even still receive&all'of
did all understand that? Thank you.
we need. The other ''area, you
The other area; and; let me say this`-here.if I may quote -one ,individual
that made`a statement to, me when we're talking upon the problem for
office furniture, was that he 'stated, well, Commissioner, the old
furniture is not going to be any, good? Well, the problem was that`
we had very little old furniture. In fact, we had ,very little
from
furniture ata11. And two of our chairs wereneeded, were taken
us.n.the first months .that we arrived at that office, for the City
Manager's Office. So, -even the old. furniture: was not good enough for
us to have., But the bottom line is what I'm going.'to get into now.
Mr. Plummer: Are.you referring to the Penthouse up here..
Carollo: Yeah, the house up there if you want to call it that.
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Mayor Ferre I,think.that.'s a very intelligent answer on,ivour,part,,.Howardf
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Mayor Ferre ,(contint4ed)- and I think it's Long overdue That's what, he's
been saying. Are you ready to do that now? You're.not'going ,to get the
votes here any, I don't perceive.
Mr.'.Gary: I think it may serve some useful purpose, to see.what we have
planned, ;to see that it's not lavish.
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Mayor Ferre: While you're passing that out, just for our consideration,',
I'd like to say to the members of the Commission, that if you're, angry.
at Joe Grassie for one or fifty reasons, I think it's a little bit';unfair
to.aake"ih out on several dozen people who are working in the department.
And;i£ you have anger at Joe Grassie and you want ,to get him ,some way,
find a betterwayto get him, would you please? Because frankly, I think'
Joe'Grassie is sitting in a very nice comfortable air conditioned office,-
and: he's not'affected'by this. The people.that are affected `are all of
these people that work in this department.
Mr.,'Carollo: iWell Mayor, if you would give me your votc, sir, I'll guarantee
you, I'll find a better way to get it. (LAUGHTER)
Mayor,Ferre: Somehow, .you and I don't seem to have the' -same sense of
humor, Mr. Carollo. And that seems to be more apparent.,everyday. ;But
that's fine. And I:."you're entitled to your sense of humor,: morbid as
it maybe, and` I'm entitled tomine" in whatever way, and that's fine.
Whatever the -majority.. -.you're one vote and .I'm another, vote, and then
the majority is going to rule around here so; we'll see how that majority
breaks in this issue and in other issues. So, lets proceed without any'
more...
Mr.' James Gunderson Mr. Mayor, and members of the Commission, just'to""
give you some highlights without going into details here, if:"you'd look
at.this plot before you, the plan shows a Purchasing Division, Accounting'
Division, and a Risk Management Division. They're kind'of underlined
there in various`` places. Presently, back here you do :not have a
Purchasing or a`Risk Management Division. Those Divisions are located
down the street in the first barracks building on the left, on the
way out.' Those buildings are scheduled, all of those buildings,.are
scheduled for evacuation to go to the downtown area with the:administiation,
all the physical types of functions of the City will be bcated down,
there, except my two divisions. They would be the lone ones in those `i
barracks buildings. Those barracks buildings are themselves a ghetto ,
that have been inexistence for a long time. We would bring those back,
Well,•what's the advantage of bringing them back and putting them here?
The advantage is, from a management point of view, the functional;
integration of the Finance Department, which we do notpresentlyhave',`,
by, these separations that are existing now. For instance,..this.is just
to point out two salient areas. one, we have receptionists`,,,telephone
operators in each one of the divisions. They are ts;eparate.. It's the'
only way that you can respond. If you; put them here;'you wilt be'.able_.
to.ieduce the amount of manpower necessary to carry on' that. kindof a•„ ._
function. Secondly, we have a functions carried down in Purchasing
which`is.called Expenditure Control. Expenditure' Control needs to carry
on two very important things; one, is there '`available monies to make.. '.
the expenditure; and two, is there the proper account being;"charged. Well,;
if you bring them back here, that type of thing can be;integrated.with`
the Accounts Payable Section, which would eliminate two additional people..;
Whereas if you don't, the very nature of having them separated means
it would cost you days and days additional 'time•for purchasing activities
that go on today. That's why it exists separately. That'swhy it's
so costly to continue to exist separatley, is because,'you cannot"integrate.f-
the functions. The functions that currently do exist,, a telephone.rings
in one place, and three desks around them are distrupted. People carry`
on conversations at one desk, three desks `around them are interrupted`
There is no privacy and productivity suffers correspondingly. That
is the '>real nature and the real reason to get,them back here into decent
quarters.
Father Gibson: Okay, so what do we do now?
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Mr. 'Plummet : Call the roll.
Father Gibson: And the motion is?
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Mr. Plummer: To defer.
Father'Gibson: Ah,'c'mon man. '.Look, let me, Mr. Mayor, ;can I%say ;
something?
Mayor Ferre: Yes, sir, Father Gibson.'
Father Gibson: Every day, if you're going to buy this equipment, or
if 1�ou'-e going to do work, Plummer, you know that as well as any of us,
every c.} or thirty days you lose, the cost goes up. Now look, I think
of all the guys, I happen to be the most conservative of them all. But
I'm dogged if I could see how you could have this City Hall and not
equip it. You know, the people don't see us they see our assistants,
thepeoplecome in and see the building, and the building ought to be
representitive of this City. I urge all of us, man, for Gad sake, lets
move on.
Mayor Ferre: Let me add just one more word to that. When Rose Gordon
was here, one of the things she used to do to delay things when she could
get "some votes, one of 'c:he ones that she delayed was that the five million
dollar bond issue, and I'd like to tell the press if they are here, that
- we just got word from our attorney, Bob Traurig, I'm sorry, Bob Paul,
Paul,'Landy, what have you, that we won the case with the SCC. There
was no SCC violation like Rose Gordon and the firefighters accused us
of. Now, that's fine and she was able to stop it. Let me tell you
,,,.what that little series of ... she didn't want to stop the sewer program,
she had other reasons. She was using that as a battering ram to get
other thugs done.See? But the problem is that the people of Miami
'had to pay for her game because that five million dollars worth of work
-: that we had sold bonds, and that Southeast was the low bidder on, at
under, what? Eight percent? Seven -thirty-five, is now gone and it will...
Rose Gordon's.little,game will cost the City of Miami well over one
million dollars because we can't bid it now. Those people will not
have sewers for one more year, and now we're going to have to rebid it
God knows when and I guarantee you it won't come in for any five million
three hundred thousand dollars. And we probably won't have enough
money, and that's another delay until we get sufficient funds. So,
you know,, it's all fine and good to have secondary purposes but I would
hope that>`somewhere along the line, and this is the fifth time this has
been delayed, that we would approach this on the merits of the case
itself, and not on the merits as to whether or not Mr. Grassie has a
sundeck, or something else that has nothing to do with the merits of
this particular petition, and I appeal to you, to take these things,
it's all r..cyht to do it once or twice, I don't have any problems with
that, but to get to this point, we've already, this thing's been bid,
we had a contract for one hundred and eighty thousand dollars ... a
hundred what? forty-six. Now we've lost tbat, God knows how much this
is goi.rig to cost a second time around. Lastly, I just want to 'Leave .
on the record, we're not leaving City Hall. There is no project to
move out of here to a new building. This is money, this eighteen
dollars a.square foot, you can't duplicate that. If you were to put
up this kind of office space anywhere else, it would cost you
substantially mere than that. So I don't know what it is we're trying
to do here.
Mr. Plummer: Are you finished, Mr. Mayor?
Mayor,Ferre: I am.
Mr. Plummer: .You',know, it.,sl not always inL.,life what you do, but how you
do i .And .you know; this administration.has.a,very unique knack of
being nasty:
Mayor Ferre:. What does that have.to do with it?
Mr. Plummer: I'll tell you what it has to do with it. It was such a
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Mr. Plummer (continued): beautiful thing, that the Pension office, do
you want to see a disgrace that I have brought to this Commission's
attention time and time again? An office that is in charge of one
hundred and fifty million dollars of City money? Go back _in this little
cubbyhole between the filing cabinets and see what they have for an.
office; And yet go look over on this side, and see the beauty,and
go upstairs and look at the penthouses. But yet, one hundred and fifty
million dollars of this City's monies must operate in a rat hole.,., And:,
you know.what, when the decisions.were made? The first decision,,,..,.,,,.,,.
before,an I y of this other garbage was put on paper, and isn't .it.4strange
that :its 'taken five deferrals to finally get a map.
Mayor Ferre: But.you got it.
Plummer:. Let me finish., Youknowf :it was funny. You know, what'...
theywere,going todo? Didn't ask, knowing that I, a commissioner
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siton the one. Pens ioril"Board, MrCaicllo sits on another, and:.before.
that� zit,was.Mrs. Gordon,,'move them out. Do you know where they were
goingh important offices in this City Hall.
. to put,..them? one .most-imporan
I They . I .,.we , re g I oing, . t'O�LpUt,them downtown in the Wacson Building, no parking.
:spaces ,-,t we'lve,-employees..who would have to shuffle for parking.
MayorFerre: Have: YOU ?.Qcompl i shed 'your goal?
Mr. Plummeri Part.of 'it.,
Mayor, errel::, What remains..'
r . Plummer: 1, Part of ;it, that's all. ''You know,` nd:,Iit ;extremely`
Mr.
r e Finance Director get up1heredefend".
diffi'cult.to�hea the an.
foui hundred,
.this."expen iture o one hundred and eighty .one.thousand,
11 ,partial payment 'to c
,part Plush'. of f ices, yet it the s nan 6 ,pirector,
whoYesterday said to the retiree's of this City,I"can't find.,
. one,hundred anniney '` _t' thousand dollars to c give you �an �inincrease." 'I
wonder on'd6r, if, the''City employee's retirees, are. going.., to 6at.ithe oldfurniture.
, . m where along, the �Iine, alittle . bit, o freasoning
There,sgot oe, somewhere ,,
of understanding, that this administration is',,,not.�
go , ing.to I �ra , mw-rodthis. Cqmmission and do what,' they want, aslongas I
sit !.here.
Mayor Ferre: That's demagoguery, it's not becoming.
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lummer:ThAt's.demogogueryr' it's not becoming.:."
Mr. Plummer:"
MayorTerre: To::you.L
Mr. Plumer.And:116t me4-tlell, you, that the obnoxious Way,t at ^s6ne,`"
of these people"`.are being treated; is notbecomingeither. My mother
taught me that:you - U fight fire, With fire.
Mayor ,Terr,e:..'.J.L., tell me exactly whet,L it isthat you want so tha
wecangetthisl-thin off, or. on, and mov along.: What'..are,
9 e your
conditions,...,
Mr.: Plummer: mr. Mayor j I ;want...
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.,mayor Ferre: Tell me what your conditions are -?and then letsget,Mr
Carollo.'s conditions.
Mr.,Plummer:'.It's .not �l.conditions, Mr. Mayor,I,wouldl be`,happyjf.Ithis" :
would h d'the first.time Th6n,1I'll ,tell -you What.I
y: taken five . deferrals to get this.o.,
would,like.to do., okay?. "It's only v
i t will.pr6bab f y- take ive e�.t6, iv
Now,- I �,would, assurtle, 1 k deferrals,:mor g e
..them.'and, say, here.7 s your,parame,ters. You've got one,hundred thousand
to spend,�.qkay?
Mayo , k Ferre:
They can't .,,'do
,that'for...,',..,.
Mr. Plummer:
Don't tell
me
they
can't do it.
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Mayor Ferre: For less"thaneighteen dollars a square foot?
Mr. Plummer: Yes, sir.'. Don't tell me they ... they're not -building
a`building." They're refurnishing. They're refurnishing.
Mayor Ferre- Would you explain to him, Mr. Gary, again what it is,
I!11 tell you...
M. Plummer: I heard his explanation. He doesn't have to'explain
to me again.
Mayor Ferre: Eighteen dollars a square foot, for refurbishing of
interior space, in this market is not an unresonable amount...
Mr. Plummer: If you have the money.
Mayor Ferre: Okay. In other words , are you saying that no matter
what they"give you you're just against it?`
Mr: Plummer: No, sir. Didn't say, that at all. You didn't hear me.,
Mayor Ferre: Well, I didn't because I"don't understand.
Mr. Plummer: ,"I said I`would like_ to give them;a figure of, one hundred
thousand dollars and comeback and show me how they are going, to"do
N,ayor Ferre: I: know what you're against, but I want .to. find out what
you're for. What you!re for is the spending of one hundred...
Mr. Plummer: I'm for ,reasonable spending within limits that we can
afford.
Mayor Ferre: see.`
Mr. Plummer: Because when"you do that, then I've"got one hundred
.thousand to give..to he retiree's.
Mayor Ferre: In other words► youspend ten dollars -square
foot in refurbishing:
Mr. Plummer: Approximately:"
Mayor Ferre:...Well you can't refurbish for. that. in today`'s market.`
Mr." Plummer: So then you redo rather than,., buying new. ;
Mr Well, let me explain, you know, one key,concept. There is
.,Gary:
-'concept in office furniture which -is called action office, which
attempts to utilize the maximum amount of...
Mx.. Plummer: Baby, you just opened the most gorgeous door. Go right -
ahead, lets go. Now, and would somebody please bring me that action
office furniture from the Police.Department ,and from the Administration
Building. Go ah3ad, you've dug.your own grave, my friend.
Mr. Gary: Yes, sir. Which attempts to utilize the maximum amount of
space...
bir. Plummer: Anybody over there got it? I don't see:,anybody.movi"ng."
Nobody has it, that figures.Nobody knows where it is.
Nir. Fosmoen:" Gomraissioner, what is it you're asking? You said to
bring the furniture.
Mr. Plummer: I'm. asking r foa copy, of the action"furniture"plan for"
the Police. Department "and, the'"'Administration Building.;
Mr. Fosmoen- Obviously, Commissioner, we don't have that sitting on
the back shelf. I'll be happy to get it for you.
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Mr. Plummer:;. Wel], I'm-understanding.that I asked somebody.to`get
Mayor Ferre: Lets ship diem.
Mr. Plummer: There's nobody that can go get it?'
You said to b1. ring the furniture, Commissioner, 'I didn't
Mr. Fosmoen:
understand your question. :Do you want the plan, do you want the
specification; do you want the bid?
Mvin',
Mayor Fezre What kind of:a at
your hand?
Mr. Plummer: Do<you want to"open another question? All I'm asking
`for is the same plan.,
is prActive I think
Mr: Grimm: `Mr. Mayor' I don't think that this :,c::
you should. just go ahead:and''vote.
Mayor,Ferre: Further discussion?
Mr. Carollo': I'd'just like to make a statement for the record so
there won't be any doubt where 11 I;stand. Since I owe my, being on. this
Commission to the vast majority of the people that voted fro,.me, the
people that sweat fora living, `therefore;'I.only owe my responsibility
'why
to those people. The bottom line again on how I feel and I:feel
furniture,
this way is the following. I want to see every piece of
be done in there, itemized with`
every piece of work that is going to
then I want to'start cutting, cutting, cutting fat,' the
-a price and
fat, the fat.
Mayor Ferre: Further discussion? Call the roll.. The motion is
to defer,'for.the fifth.time. Call the roll.
THEREUPON,THE FOREGOING MOTION TO DEFER
ITEM NO. 2 to the next Commission. meeting`
was introduced by Commissioner -Plummer,
and seconded by Commissioner Lacasa,!a,nd
was passed and adopted`by he following
vote:,,:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer„'Jr.
Vice -Mayor Armando Lacasa,
Commissioner Joe `Carollo
NOES: Commissioner (Rev.) Theodore R: Gibson
Mayor. Maurice A. Ferre
ABSENT: None . s
ON THE ROLL CALL:
Mr: Plummer: I would like toask, at this.time, that the administration
furnish his Commission the full action plan of the Police Department
and.:the Administration Building �for..further discussion at,this.-
Commission' Do you want that in the form of .a motion or is it just...
Mdon't need it. .
r. Grimm: We
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3. APPROVE P-NaTIAL PAYMENT- L.Y''1 FIR`9 OF B'':'T-�l"- , TM!.ILLT?'2, &OLIVE
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Mayor ^err,: Item three, is there a motion to defer?
*Mr. Carollo: Yes.
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mayor Fe -re; All right now we'll take up, Mr. Krause.
.� 0z. Grioun` Mr, Mayor, and members of the Commission, it was obvious
yeetmfday that the administration had not adequately presented its
dilemma on CDT& training contracts, nor had we presented a plan to
` you which was broad and fully 9oderstood. And we hope to do better '
today, d Mr. Gary is here to tell you what we've worked on since
yeotezday.
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M I r. Gary: believe I ought to break my appointzient for the whiplashes,
huh? (LAUGHTER) First of all, there appears to be some concern, and
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I.guess it was expressed
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ost as a
Plummer, that the administration
was attempting -
.result of the late implementation of the contract on the City Commission.
I^d like to state, for the record, that whatever funds maybe lost as
a result of us not expending all the tuo6o are not the fault of the
City Commission. I hope that clears up the problem that Mz' Plummer
may have had. However, there have been delays, and I'd like to give
you a littel ooeuerio' if you could bear with ma for a few moments.
Delays have been caused for a number of reasons. First or all, it was
not October that we had the funds,and we knew the requirements for the
training program. This actually occurred in December when we boea
the funding regoiremeuto, we knew the requirements of the South Florida
CET& Consortium or DOL. Now in saying this, I want you to understand
. that with Federal programs, not just with DOL but 8Do and HEW, I think
most of you have been up here .7oog`a000gh to know that a lot of times
we get money from thed l hlast minute,i
that either you spend it, or.,you-don't get it, or you come up with
a plan or we will not give-�O'u'the,money. And we constantly run into
these types of problems. Now to'-set.up a training program, to say,you
.have the money, yo u c ann I ot'.tom,orrow . turn around and implement the Progrzim.
There are certain requi,rement's.:,t-hat7have to be met in order to establish
and run a viable.training.program. Now, some of those requirements
Mr. Gary: It.ddesn't�.matter?
Mr. Gary: Fir��' of all, you have to identify the training needs of
the clients. '11airiely, the clients being,the CETA I employees. You know,.
it really doesn't make sense to set up a prPgram'for French speaking
language when the problem is we need to have English as the second
language. The sec3nd thing we had todo is'identify the types of
programs we should implement. That took time. Th' second thing
was to contact the various institutions that perform training. The
fourth thing we had to do was to identify a recruiting officer who woujr�
be responsible for coordinating the activities, the training program, dn:1
.that took time. We had to then go to thd various departments and
survey their needb. Some needs are different than others. We have needs
forJanguage scillc, skill training as well as clerical training. Thenext
aa was that we had to get CCT& approval of our training program.
/.'...�I 't belabor the point, The process took some time just establishing
the process. As far as the needs are concerned, as we have established �
it with the Department of Human Ba000roea and the Departments having
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Mr. Gary. (continued): clerical skills training. As you know, the demand
far blercal`people far exceeds the supply and we need to have more
clerical people in the City of Miami, not just the City of Miami
;government, but also the, whole county area, which means that there is
for typing
a great need for clerical skills. The same things applies
skills. Another problem we have, or another training need was
remedial education. A. lot of the people that come in the CETA Program
are hard core unemployed with very little education, some of them.
need
And the need the basic reading, writing and arithmatic. The next
identified were employability skills. Skills such as how you should
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dress to C-) to a job, such things as buying an alarm clock, really
just getting the employee ready to go to work and perform a good job.
Now, yesterday there seems to have been.some confusion, and T'l1
needs to hear
wait until the Mayor gets off the phone because'I think<he
confusion appeared to have occurrrd.as` a result
this. Yesterday, some
of MTI Training School, and it was alleged that the Department of'
Human Resources unfairly evaluated that training program. And if I
recall the gentleman properly, he, said that we went to i91th Street
the�o;ffice
anscayne Boulevard and we didn't take into consideration
that he had on Brickell and the office that he had right across,,from
Human Resources. But just to clear the record, MTI has, on 79th,Street'
and"Biscayne Boulevard, one office, one classroom and another"vacant
office'space with very ;little furniture and very little equipment. .The.
second thing, unlike the gentleman told you, he did not have; an office.
across from.Human Resources.This:gentleman office'that hewas
no from"Holiday,
talking about was the Holiday. inn. He had commitments
Inn to have an office space, and has of -today, he,has not gotten any•
commitments. ' The third thing, he said he also had an office;on
Brickell for training. The information we received today,.this
gentleman has'a condo in the Brickell Bay Towers and for some reason
he 'perceives ,that because of his living quarters being there he. has
I would
access to the various club rooms or rooms available there. Now
surmise that those two areas do not constitute a viable training
operation. We also asked this gentleman to meet us at 9:30=this"
morning, and Mr. Krause waited there for this gentleman. Now the reason
I'm telling;you this is is that the Department of Human Resources, from
all of the dealings that•I've had with them, and I, think most of ,the
people have had with them, are very honest and very objective in ;their
evaluations. And Mr. Krause dealt with this personally, and I have
all the confidence in the world in Mr. Krause. And V d,Just. like ,to .let
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you know for the record, that the :,inf6rmation given to,you �by.this
particular firm was not accurate. Now before"you we have three _contracts,.
I would'like to break our proposals down into three. phases.' -..First; in
terms of the three contracts we have before,youu,'the„on-going training
programs that we have in the City, and our additional.proposals.._Before
I`do that, I would like to give you what we perceive as the criteria
to run a viable training program: If you Ibok'6n,.the sheet that I've"
given"you, 'I've turned to the second sheet,`these"are.the"criteria.that
we.have established for the agencies that we would like to ;do business
us to
with. Now the reason I'm giving you this is that it's ,easy .for
say that we could just go out and get any training ,organization. The,
problem with th::�t is that we will be audited by the Federal government.
in terms of the type of training programs that we conduct and,who,conducts
them. And we've got insure ourselves that training programme ets the
standards for a training program so we won't have audit exceptions and the
City won't have to pay back money. And I'd just like to give•you,ths,
criteria so that you can understand how we based our 'decisions.. Now
in terms of our plan, in terms of our plan, the three.pending contracts
you have before you gives Charron Williams one hundred thousand'
dollars for eighty-two participants, Dade -America eighty -thousand dollars
,for -one hundred ten participants, Garces,.twenty-thousand for one hundred
and two participants. That totals two hundred thousand dollars for
two hundred ninety-four participants. The total cost would be four hundred
fifty thousand dollars if you add wages of the participants.who;will.be,'
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articipating in the training program. And that's compared to one
point four million dollars that we are required to spend for training.
So we have a -little under one million dollars ,left to expend in contracts;
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Mr. Gary (continued): and wages. Now what I'd like to do now is
to tell you what we have proposed .in addition to those three contracts.
We are proposing that we give Garces Training School an additional.
twenty-three thousand six hundred twenty-five dollars for thirty
participants for English and clerical trai.nir;g for middle aged latins.
This would be a full time training program: That would bring the
Garces contract up to, including the twenty thousand we have proposed
in the original, to forty-three thousand six hundred and twenty-five
thousand dollars.
Mayor Ferre: Plus the wages?
Mr. Gary: Well the wages go to the participants but that's included
as`a cost towards training. In addition we plan to give Garces another.
contract for English as a second language, for laborers. That contract
will be thirty thousand six hundred. So the contracts.with Garces
would total about seventy-three, seventy-four thousand dollars. About
seventy-four thousand dollars. in addition to that, :1.n our research
we found that MTI has considerable experience in training individuals
in the language of English as a second langtiF,je, and we are proposing
that we give them a contract of twenty-one thousand six hundred for
thirty participants to train Haitians for English. In addition to that,
we are proposing that we enter into a contract with Miami Dade Junior
.College for a total amount of forty thousand dollars, for employability
skills fur three hundred people. In addition to that, we're going to
give Miami Dade a contract for thirty thousand for a recreational
leadership program, for a total of seventy thousand dollars for
Miami Dade Junior College. Now we are proposing that we establish
a remedial education training program, and we need your advice in this
area. The cost we estimate to be approximatley thirty one thousand
dollars. And we are proposing that one of the three firms be given
the business. Either MTI, who has very little experience in remedial
education programs, or Garces, or the Junior College who have considerable
experience. Now the total of all these contracts including wages of
the participants total approximately one point two million.dollars,
which leaves a balance of two hundred thousand dollars as compared of
our requirement of one point four milliondollars. Now I'd like -to
also alert you to the fact it i& going to be very difficult for us to
expend all the money. Particulary in view of the fact that we are
starting late.; However,, we think that with theemphasisof the Human
Resources Department, and the conversations that we've had with the
various training organizations, we will be able to expend at least
one point two. Now the issue came up at the last City Commission
meeting, at least yesterday, whether or not we could start the programs
May 12th. We've contacted the various training schools, and I think
Mr. Garces is here, and they have informed us, at least Mr. Garces and
Data America, that if we could give them,, if the Citv Commission passes
a motion to ratify the contract on May 8th, they could begin, based
on that commitment to gear up for the programs and have them implemented
by May 12th. And I propose that to the City' Commission if you approve.
these training programs.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Howard, let me ask you a question.
Mr. Gary: Yes.
Mayor Ferre: The figures you just threw out totaled three hundred and
fifteen thousand dollars, and they are broken down as follows, as I
see it. Charron Williams, one hundred, Data America,,,eighty,. Garces
seventy -£our, Miwai Dade Junior College forty, and MTI twenty-one. The
total is three hundred and fifteen. Is that wrong.
Mr. Gary: Yes.
Mayor Ferre: Tell me where I'm wrong':
Mr.. Gary: Okay. Let me break it down in two ways, Mr.',Mayor. I!m-going
to give you the contract amounts by training school.'.`.
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riayor, Ferre: Just give me the total, please.
Mr. 'Gary: It's a little di the way I have my figures worked.
Let me.just'...Charron Williams `one hundred thousand, Data America
eity thousand, Garces, lets say seventy-four thousand; MTI, twenty-one
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Mayor Ferre: Seventy -thousand.
Mr. Gary:; Right.
Mayor Ferre: So that's three hundred and forty-five thousand'total?
Mr. Gary:;, Right, plus.
Mayor Ferre: Yes?
Mr. .Gary: Howe: much `_did you get, what did you get?
Mayor Ferre: 11, - Three`£orty-five.
Mr..Gary: Okay. ,Three forty=five; to that you have to.add.nine hundred
thousand'doll`ars in wages �f participants.
Mayor_Ferre- .Nine hundred thousand?
Mr. Gary -:,,,"Right .
Mayor,Ferre: I see. That makes one million "two hundred and Forty-five
thousand`: Sothat, how. 'much does that leave us? Is there...;
-ough' f igure s .
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two?
Mr. Gary:. All,the`program that.I proposed, and.'the on -going totals
one million and two.
Mayor Ferree More`or less. Go ahead'.
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Mrs. Christie (continued). said that he liked the program, and the
'only th ing that he saw wrong was the location. Then, two days ago,
I get a message that this thing was to be put on yesterday's calendar
and they came up with a whole new story, that he had no equipment, but
what equipment do you need other than desks and chairs to teach English.
Now, typing, they do rent typewriters like most other schools rent
typewriters. Yes, they do have facilities in the Holiday inn, and they
do have, not a condominium in the Brickell Townhouse, but what they now
call a unit. An office unit which gives you access to classrooms and
empty rool.is. Now I just graduated law school, I have attended many
seminars which I am sure that you have too,that take place in either a
Holiday Ii-n or another hotel. It is very good that these places have
rooms iikc> this that we can use their facilities to have classrooms that
don't meet every single day every day of the year. Now there is really
nothing the matter with that. If he wants to give you a classroom right
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across from the city office, I think it's, you know to be commended.
I was in on the conversation in the hallway yesterday, when Mr. Loo
told Mr. Berkson that he had two appointments this morning, one at
nine and one at ten,,to.please not .'come -until eleven. io_)w I'm trying to
support my husband's law practice .while ,he's out of the country. Mr.
Berkson had other thin - gs.,to do. I am only.. -.but that is what happened
ou said happened. I have
yesterday. That is not.what happened# what you
to protect these peoplejlnot even right.for.you to make these statements
without these people c,ven being here...
.Mr. Gary: May I respond to that, please?,
Mayor,Ferre: You certainly may.
Mr. , Gary: -First of all, in any comments that I've made I did not say
they were not reputable. If you recall, yesterday the issue of MTI
came up as a result of someone saying that we did not treat them fairly,
in view of the fact that we had not taken into consideration, because
the issue, arised as a result of the distance that the training school
from our employees. And we had on our records 79th Street and
'had
Biscayne Boulevard. That raised the issue because someone said that
we unfairly evaluated or treated MTI because they had an office next
to our Human Resources Department. And I will admit that nobody has.
proven us otherwise. As a matter of fact, the people who talked to our
people today could not even convince us that they had a room in the
Holiday Inn. And as a matter of fact, ' the people from MTI told us they
would not get a room in the MTI:unless we gave them a letter of intent,:,.
And I guess the point I'm tryin' g'to..bring out to you is not that you a I re
not reputable but that the information was not represented to the
City.Commission as it shouldhave:.been, and that staff did not unfairly-,
treat that organization, because they did not have an office at the
Holiday Inn across from the, Justice Building.
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Mrs. Christie: He ;has a commitment from,Mr. ,Jaffee, or.Jafferf.who ,,is;
the owner of Holiday.inn.
Mr: yesterday, ..Gary: See, no one said that yes er ayi,a commitment.
Mrs. Christie: Yes, he did.
Mr. Gary: Mayor, also he did not,-Mr..Mayor., And the second thing.is that....
h could not give that to us in,writ ng_fromMr.�,Jaffee this e i s,morning.
Mrs..Ch ristie: No, because Mr. Jaffee wasnot ..available but he will get
it, for you. He showe6 you the deed to a.unit that he has in Brickell
Townhouse.
Mr. ,Gary: Mr. Mayor, the only thing Ilm:trying to convince,this,C,ity,
commission is you have entrusted this administration with the administration
of your funds and your program. And in the most prudent way, we will
insure that those funds are expended in a Proper manner, and that:we
implement them in those programs that we think can handle the business.
s::a,
Now, as I said earlier, MTI is noted for its experience in English as
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Mr. Plummer: Well lets get our stories straight.
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Dir._Arauz: I'm telling you thry straight, sir. '
Mr. Plummer All right.'
Mr. Arauz: We have one hundred and sixty Haitians, that are programmed
to go into the CETA Program, Consortium wide, thirty of those Haitians
will be i:ssigned to the'City -of Miami.:
Mr. PlwTr.er: Mr. Arauz, isn't it strange that of all of the rest of
the progr,ms, that there is no ethnic application applied. Isn't it
strange?
Mr Arauz: Sir, if, I may make!a correction. Mr. Gary... '
Mr. Plummer: No, you've accomplished what you want. You've thrown them
a bone and now keep quiet.
Mr. Arauz: Commissioner, Mr. Gary pointed out that we have a program•.
at'Garces College aimed`at thirty middle aIged"Latin'females to train them
for clerical; positions.
Mr. Plummer:' That was also thrown in today.;
Mrs. Christie: What does clericalmean?
Mr. Gary: 'Commissioner Plummer...
Mrs. Christie: Mr. Commissioner, I believe yesterday you told these
people to contact all the people and maybe renegotiate contracts. To
this day, we don't know what criteria, other than what have just been
given, no one has been ...out in the hall yesterday, everything Looked
rosy until Mr. Berkson went and had a meeting this morning. I don't know
what happened between yesterday and this morning when Mr. Berkson went
to see N'.r. Loo.
Mr. Plummer: It's called government, by crisis.
Mrs. Christie: Well lets get the whole thing out in the open. Lets get
anyone :who wants to be'part'o£ this program, let them submit it to you,
written'. Let you see a resume of"all eight `schools; and"•then lets go
from there. That's how it 'should `be done.
Mr. Plummer: But you see, the answer to that is we can't do that because
if we do that, which is proper and should have been done in the first
place,: we're yaing to lose four hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Mrs. Christie: That's not true. You said yesterday that we would only
lose that amount which we have not already started the program. I should
think that if it is done correctly, and speedily, that we could still
get this program off. It doesn't take long to sit people in.a classroom
with some chairs, and get a'blackboard and 'teach English. "
Mr. Gary: Commissioner, who is in charge? Mr.'Lacasa?
Mr. Lacasa: Yes.
Mr. Gary: Like I said, first of all, we submitted to all the City
Commissioners, a copy of the proposals. Secondly, we have given them,
or we are proposing, well let me back up.' If you recall yesterday, we
agreed to come back to the City Commission with a proposal that would
attempt to use all of the one point four million`' dollars. And that's
why we are here today. You may have new proposals as opposed to what
you had yesterday. We are proposing for•MTI twenty-one thousand
six hundred for thirty Haitians. Now, we ;talked to, what's the
gentleman's name?
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Dade Junior College. Were they approache, on e'
Mr. Krause:.'Miami Dade was approached ,by telephone onia
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Mr. Krause: Sixty hours of training.
Mayor Ferre:'All right...
Mrs. Christie: But Dade Junior was not part of these three contracts,".
either so if MTI can't be made a part, then Dade Junior cannot be made
a part either.
Mayor F'erre: That's not what he said,`what do you mean 'that's not.what
he said?
Mrs. Chri.,tie: Commissioner Plummer said that MTI could not be, added,'.
because-wa were not part; of the one of the three contracts that were,.
listed on the agenda: Well neither was Dade Junior.
Mr. Plummer: I don't think we can do anymore.'.than what was on'the, agenda
oyesterday, at this.Commission meetin
f g.
Mrs. Christie: There was three, three Mr. Commission6i, not Dade, Junior
either.`
Mrr Krause:. That's correct. 'We're not asking for approval of :a -:,contract.
with Miami Dade. We havc,.n't even negotiated=it yet. We have talked
with them by telephc,ie...
Mayor FeLre: All right, in other words, this is the direction that you
are taking at this time, and that's what you're going to come back with
at the next meeting.
Mr. Grimm: Yes. What we wanted to do was to let the Commission know
what we had been able to do since yesterday,.to get more or lessyour ,
understanding of what we were uoing and your acquiesence, and then we would
be back on May 8th with formal contracts for these services.
Mr. Plummer: Let me just make my point very clear. I'm ready. to vote
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Mrs..; Christie:
Can we have those recommendations and writing,.and the
reasons', why:..
Mayor Ferre:
I have.'no objections to that. All the proposals ;be ii►
writing.
Mr. Plummer:
Excuse me. Mrs. Christie, they have already told you
that your firm was unqualified:
Mayor Ferre:
They have not said that.
Mr. Plummer:
Excuse me.
Mrs.Christie:`
Yes'they did, Mr.,Mayor.' In so'many.words, but each
time they tell
Us' something it's something different.
Mr. :Plummer-'
When they make,:a proffer that says... .
Mayor Ferre:
iWould.you clarify that on the record,;ple�5e.
Mr. ;'Plummer:
Well let me:.repeat hi.s wording...
May o"r. Ferre:
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Well let him speak for; himself.
mvm rary You cannot talk for me.
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MEETING DATE:
April 25, 1980
1. NDEX
ITEM NO 4 DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION
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2
3
COMMISSION AGENDA AND CITY CLERK REPORT
RESCHEDULING THE REGULAR CITY COMMISSION
MEETINGS OF MAY 8, 1980 AND MAY;22, 1980
APPROVING PARTIAL PAYMENT OF $56,483.69-3W
THE LAW FIRM OF BRYANT, 'MILLER `& OLIVE FOR
SERVICES RENDERED IN CONNECTION VITH'THE,
WATSON ISLAND DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
TO,ENTER INTO AGREEMENT WITH : (1) ;CHARRON
WILLIAMS COLLEGE, INC., (2),DATAMERICA IN-
STITUTE, INC., AND (3) GRACES.COMMERCIAL
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80-326
80-327
8A-328
80-329