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OF MEETING HELD ON February 11, 1981
(REGULAR)
PREPARED BY THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK
CITY HALL
RALPH G.. ONGIE
CITY CLERK
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CIIYIOd 1i ISSION'F%'l, FLORII1q
(REGULAR) SMJECT FEBRUARY 11, 1981
DISCUSSION OF ITEMS TO BE DEFERRED DUE TO ABSENCE
OF COMMISSIONER GIBSON
DISCUSSION ITEM: HIRING FREEZE
APPROVE SETTLEMENT: LITTON BUSINESS SYSTEMS OFFICE
FURNITURE
DISCUSSION ITEM: SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT FOR DOWN TOVN
MIAMI
DISCUSSION ITEM: CONTINUED FUNDING FOR NEW WASHINGTON
HEIGHTS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE (TO FEB. 28)
INCREASE ALLOCATION-6TH YEAR C.D. BLOCK GRANT FLNDS
OVERTOI%'N ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
DISCUSSION ITEM: BULKHEAD REPAIR IN BAYFRONT PARK SHAR
UP TO 50% OF COSTS WITH CORPS OF ENGINEERS
PRESENTATION BY PLANNING DEPARTMENT: HISTORIC
PRESERVATION PLANNING PROGRAM
SECOND READING ORDINANCE: PROHIBIT LOITERING OR
PROWLING
SECOND READING ORDINANCE: PROHIBIT OBSTRUCTION OF FREE
PASSAGE
DISCUSSION ITEM: CREATION OF MIAMI AUDIT ADVISORY
C0111MITTEE
FIRST READING ORDINANCE: PRE DEVELOPMENT COSTS FOR
PROPOSED WATSON ISLAND MARINAS
AUTHORIZE USE OF ADDITIONAL $205,000 G. 0. HOUSING
BONDS - 4 SECTION 8 PROJECTS
TRANSFER $1,300 F.R.S.F. TO FIRST UNITED METHODIST
CHURCH, INC.
ACCEPT GRANT: TRADE FAIR OF THE AMERICAS-IMPORT/EXPORT
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APPROVE AND CONFIRM CITY MANAGER'S ACTION: PURCHASE
OF 2 - 90 GALLONS GAS FUELED WATER HEATERS FOR
MIAMI BASEBALL STADIUM
NAIVE REQUIREMENT FOR FORMAL BID: 34 RECORDER
COUPLERS FOR MIAMI POLICE DEPARTMENT.
DISCUSSION ITEM: PARKING EMERGENCY IN DOWNTOWN
MIAMI
ACCEP PLAT: "VENAGO SUBDIVISION"
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SLBJJECT FEBRUARY 11 1981 SOLUTION No, PAT NO
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ACCEPT BID: AMMUNITION FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT
(JONES EQUIPMENT COMPANY)
ACCEPT BID: 33 TWINBEACON LIGHT BARS FOR DEPARTMENT
OF BUILDING AND VEHICLE MAINTENANCE
ACCEPT BID: 125 POLICE HAND GUNS FOR THE MIAMI POLICE
DEPARTMENT
ACCEPT BID: DEMOLITION OF UNSAFE STRUCTURE-417 N.W.
7TH STREET
ACCEPT BID: HEALTH MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT
ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK: DOWNTOWN' FLAGLER STREET LIGHT-
ING 1976
ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK: CENTRAL MIAMI PARK -SEATING
GALLERY AND WALKWAY STAINING-1978
ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK: FIRE STATION 014
DESIGNATE "MIAMI COCONUT GROVE EXHIBITION CENTER -
WEST COURTYARD ROOF" PROJECT AS CATEGORY "B", FOR
COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATION
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ACCEPT BID: COCONUT GROVE MINI PARK
ACCEPT BID: "GIBSON PARK SPORTFIELD LIGHTING"
ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK: SOLID WASTE FACILITY
EXECUTE AGREEMENT: BUNKER'S INC. CONCESSIONAIRE FOR
MELREESE RESTAURANT, PRO SHOP AND DRIVING RANGE.
APPROVE AND AUTHORIZE CITY PARTICIPATION IN THE
AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY GOLF CARD PROGRAM (WAIVE 1
ROUND OF GOLF).
WAIVE GREEN FEES: FOR THE "MIAMI WOMEN'S, GOLF
ASSOCIATION" MAY 11, 1981 AT MIAMI SPRINGS AND
JULY 22, 1981, AT MELREESE
APPOINTMENT: OMAR MQLINA-TO CITY'S AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
ADVISORY BOARD
CLAIM SETTLEMENT: SUSAN NEVINS
CLAIM SETTLEMENT: SARA DELGADO AND BENIGNO DELGADO
BRIEF DISCUSSION AND TEMPORARY DEFERMENT OF
REAPPOINTMENT OF RICHARD L. FOSMOEN AS CITY MANAGER
EMERGENCY ORDINANCE: AMEND SECTION 31 OF THE CITY CODE
SPECIAL OCCUPATIONAL LICENSES DURING FESTIVALS AND
CULTURAL EVENTS
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A'NSTIONP MIAMI, FLORIDA PAGE #3
(REGULAR) SUBJECT
FEBRUARY 11, 1981
REAPPOINT RICHARD L. FOSMOEN AS CITY MANAGER, SUBJECT
TO HIS RESIGNATION LETTER ON FILE WITH THE OFFICE OF
THE CLERK
ACCEPT BID: WORK UNIFORMS—CITY/WIDE
PLAQUES, PRESENTATIONS AND SPECIAL ITEMS
DISCUSSION: DEFERRING CONSIDERATION OF DEVELOPMENT
ORDER FOR MIAMI CENTER II (SEE ITEM 44, THIS SAME
MEETING)
EXECUTE LEASE AGREEMENT: BY AND BETWEEN CITY OF MIAMI
AND METROPOLITAN DADE COUNTY — "FORMER CITY OF MIAMI
.TAIL" AT 1145 N.W. 11 STREET —APPOINT PAT SKUBISH
AS LIAISON
MIAMI CENTER II DEVELOPMENT ORDER: ARCHITECTURAL
CONSULTANTS, URBAN DESIGN OF DUPONT PLAZA AREA,
CONFIGURATION OF BUILDINGS, PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR
TRAFFIC, CONFIGURATION OF GARAGE AND FUTURE
APPOINTMENT OF BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE TO MAKE CRITIQUE
CONFIRM SUPPLEMENTAL PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT ROLL:
DELAI.ARE SANITARY SEsER IMPROVEMENT SR-5390—C
GRANT $5,000 TO HAITIAN AFRO —DIMENSION COMMITTEE
FIRST ANNUAL CARNIVAL
REQUEST ADMINISTRATION TO RETURN WITH PROPOSED POLICY
TO DEAL WITH ENTIRE SPECTRUM OF FESTIVALS, PARADES
AND OTHER SOCIAL EVENTS —CITY PARTICIPATION OF
$5,000 OR MORE.
PERSONAL APPEARANCE: MRS. ANN—MARIE ADKER,
REPRESENTATIVE OF OVERTOWN RESIDENTS, REGARDING
PROBLEMS IN THE OVERTOWN AREA
SECOND PUBLIC HEARING: 7TH YEAR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
FUNDING APPROVED WITH AMENDMENTS
DISCUSSION S DEFERRAL OF APPROVAL OF CONTRACT:
AUTOMOBILE RENTALS — CONTRACT BASIS —DEPARTMENT
OF POLICE
PERSONAL APPEARANCE: ALMA RECIO TO CHANLLENGE AWARD
OF BID FOR COCONUT GROVE MINI PARK (REFERRED TO
CITY MANAGER)
FIRST READING ORDINANCE: CREATE OFFICE OF INTERNAL
AUDITS
FIRST READING ORDINANCE: PROVIDE FUNDING FOR NEWLY
CREATED OFFICE OF INTERNAL AUDITS
FIRST READING ORDINANCE: CREATE MIAMI AUDIT
ADVISORY COMMITTEE
ESTABLISH DATE OF APRIL 23, 1981 FOR PUBLIC HEARING:
DEVELOPMENT ORDER FOR DOWNTOWN GOVERNMENT CENTER, A
DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT.
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MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF THE
CITY COMMISSION OF MIAMI, FLORIDA
On the llth day of February, 1981, the City Commission
of Miami, Florida met at its regular meeting place in the
City Hall, 3500 Pan American Drive, Miami, Florida in regu-
lar session.
The meeting was called to order at 9:22 O'Clock A.M. by
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre with the following members of the
Commission found to be present:
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor ?Maurice A. Ferre
ALSO PRESENT:
Richard L. Fosmoen, City Manager
Robert F. Clark, Acting City Attorney
Ralph G. Ongie, City Clerk
Matty Hirai, Assistant City Clerk
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodore R. Gibson
An invocation was delivered by Mayor !'aurice Ferre
then led those present in a pledge of allegiance to the
flag.
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A motion to approve the minutes of November 6, 1980 was
introduced by Commissioner Lacasa, seconded by Commissioner
Plummer and passed and adopted unanimously.
1. DISCUSSION OF ITEMS TO BE DEFERRED DUE TO ABSENCE
OF COMMISSIONER GIBSON.
Commissioner Plummer announced that he would have to leave the City
Commission Meeting at 4:00 O'Clock P.M. in order to catch a plane on
City business.
Commissioner Plummer then announced that Father Gibson who was
hospitalized had supplied him with a list of items which he would like
to have deferred so that he might be present when they were discussed
which he read into the public record as being Items F, I, la, 3, 5a, 10,
12, 15, 40, 4 and the 4 P.M. Public hearing.
The Mayor requested that the City Manager speak with Father Gibson
regarding some of the items he had requested be deferred to see if some
of his questions could be resolved due to the pressing nature of some
of them.
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Mayor Ferre: Can we aet on with the meeting now? We're on Item A, the dis-
cussion of exemptions to the hiring freeze. `sir. Manages?
Mr. Fosmoen: Mr. Mayor, for the last two meetings we have been discussing
with the Commission the possibility of lifting the hiring freeze on 61 posi-
tions which are viewed by the departments as being critical to continuing a
reasonable level of service in their operations. There are several department
heads here and perhaps if we went through this memorandum that is dated January
21st on a one by one basis we may be able to get some relief.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Fosmoen, let me save you some trouble. All right? Because
I think if we take a straw vote the best you can come up with is a tie this
morning. Let me tell you first of all thank you for putting together the docu-
ment which I contend should have been given to us from the day we were asked
to vote. I am only in a position today to vote for those personnel that were
recommended in the report of Booze Allen for the creation of the new set-up
in the Finance Department, that is critical in my estimation. If you can out-
line those positions on this report, sir, I am prepared today to vote for that.
Other than that, sir, I am not prepared or will not vote favorably on any other
positions.
Mr. Fosmoen: Let me indicate, Commissioner, of course, that Booze Allen only
looked at basically 3 departments - Finance, Management and Budget and Computers
and Communications - I mean they did not look at other departments.
Mr. Plummer: You did not understand me. I am only prepared today to vote in
Finance. Now if you can isolate those, sir, I am ready to vote on it.
Mr. Fosmoen: Commissioner, there was only one position that was discussed in
Finance and that was approved at the meeting of January 21st. But, in addition
to that, Booze Allen is recommending in order to implement their studies we
need the positions in Computers and Communications because you know you need
to understand that Computers and Communications is the group that services the
Finance Department in getting information in a timely basis, processing the
payroll systems and posting accounts. It is Computers and Communications that
is working those systems.
Mr. Plummer: Are you saying those 9 people?
Mr. Fosmoen: Yes, sir.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Mr. Plummer, I'll tell you what I'd like to do if
it is all right with you and the rest of the Commission, and the Chair will
rule this way unless I get outvoted. We're going to take the time if it takes
all day until 4 O'Clock and go one by one on these things and just take the
time to read them because this City cannot come to a halt. Ve have got to
look at these things, your request was that a justification in writing be
made for all of these that are here before you dated January 21st, it is decis-
ion time. If you want to vote against them then let's get on the record you
vote no and we'll continue but I think we must bite the bullet and face the
issue and ifF ,.re answer is no well then the answer is no but we can't put it
off.
Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr. Mayor, I guess what you say is true if I didn't have
the feeling that the administration has not complied.
Mayor Ferre: Explain how.
Mr. Plummer: In my estimation, Mr. Mayor, there was an absolute hiring
freeze, the only exception was in Police and Fire and anything else had to
be brought before this Commission on an individual case for approval. All
right, sir? That's not the case. That has not been complied with. Now,
you do whet you want, Mr. Mayor, and I understand where you're coming from
and where- you're trying to go to. I'm saying to you do whatever you want
but it is n(,t changing my vote.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, I realize that,, I- L. 12 FEB 11 1981
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Mr. Plummer: Now, if you want to waste a couple of hours I'm ready to do it
but I'm trying to avoid it.
Mayor Ferre: Look, this is not a personal thing.
Mr. Plummer: No, not at all.
Mayor Ferre: This is not a pet project as the Miami Herald likes to call some
of these things, this is just simply an interest in seeing that the City of
Miami continue in an orderly fashion and I think we have squeezed, and I think
what you did was commendable and, as you know, I supported it, but now I think
it is time for us to on a one by one basis if you wish go over this and see
if 3 people on this Commission- and I'm sorry Father Gibson isn't here, but
we can't wait for him - will agree, and I hope we can go through it rather
quickly. And if the answer is no well then the answer is no but we've got to
do this. So let's get going with it, Mr. Manager.
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, if I may ask that this item be taken a little later
on today, maybe an hour or so before Mr. Plummer has to leave, you know one
of the first things that our new President stated as far as the problems that
he saw in our government were problems in three main areas. He talked about
putting a hiring freeze as one of the problems that he was going to bite the
bullet on. He also talked that government officials were taking just too
many trips. The other point he talked about was that government is spending
just too much money in giving out projects to consultants. Well, when I
read that article and the statements that the President made I really thought
he was talking about the City of Miami because he hit three main problems
right on the head. While we do possibly need to lift the hiring freeze in
some areas that are undermanned there are many many areas that are over-
manned. If we would add up all the trips that are taken by individuals work-
ing or representing this City I would hate to look at the figure. If we
would look upon the thousands upon thousands of dollars that we have spent
in hiring consultants for all kinds of things it would be even a greater fig-
ure. If we could again, Mr. Mayor, wait for later on in the afternoon to
take this before the Commission I would certainly appreciate it.
Mr. Plummer: Joe, let me expound one minute on what you said and it is what
I've been trying to say for a year. Yes, there are positions that are critical
and you don't have to hire new people. You can transfer them out of a depart-
ment where they are not critical and utilize them in another department. There
has been a reluctance to do that and as far as I'm concerned that reluctance
has got to stop.
0 3. APPROVE SETTLEMENT: LITTON BUSINESS SYSTEMS OFFICE
FURNITURE.
Mayor Ferre: We're on Item B, report by City Attorney on proposed settlement
with Litton Office Products Centers. Mr. Plummer, what do you want to do on
that one?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I understand there are two or three memos circulating
and obviously the one I had in red is not the final one so I would appreciate
the City Attorney informing me what is the latest of what is going on and then
I'll try to make a decision. From what I'm understanding..... My understand-
ing, Mr. Clark, is that the judge has ruled that the City has to buy the furni-
ture and we've got to pay the penalty.
Mr. Robert Clark: That's correct.
Mr. Plummer: All riglit, sir, then this man is never going to go and be held
in contempt of court, I'm going to do what the court told me. I am going to
very loudly register my protest that I think that this is an absolute destruc-
tion to the credibility of our competitive bidding process, it is a known
error, an admitted error and I think by all that's right the bids should have
been thrown out and to keep the credibility in our bidding process but we're
not there. Where we are now is a judge has told us we're wrong and we've
got to pay and I'm going to comply with the court order.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Mr. Carollo?
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Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, I think the bottom line that we're going to have to
face is the same on ethat we could have faced a day after our City Attorney
gave his opinion when this was looked upon. The judge made a ruling, I'm go-
ing to abide by it if not only because of the ruling he made just for the sim-
ple fact that I don't want the City of Miami to be out half a million dollars
which we will be if we don't decide to pay up now. It is a simple fact. Now,
if we get sued by other individuals that feel that they were left out improp-
erly and illegally well we'll have to bite that bullet when it comes but I
know one thing that if we don't approve this now we're going to get stuck
sooner or later for a big chunk of money that we're going to have to pay out.
I think that the bidding process that we have had in the past has been a dis-
grace, the way that it has been managed and supervised is a complete disgrace
and I think we all know where the blame lies and the buck stops.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Lacasa?
Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Mayor, what I say is that the administration made a mistake
and I am very glad to see that the remaining members of the City Commission
realizes now that we have done enough harm to the City of Miami by building
up this issue so much, in the long -run we ended up buying the furniture and
paying much more than we would have paid before so I am very happy to see that
finally we will settle this matter.
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, I do want to answer that. I don't have anything to
be afraid like maybe some individuals on this Commission, that's why they
keep their mouth shut when someone makes a statement directly to them. Mr.
Mayor, when I brought this issue up it was because our City had violated the
laws of our City Charter. There was a great violation that was made. We
have broken down our bidding process, it was ignored and there was the po-
tential for what appeared to be a lot of conflicts involved. The letters that
I received from furniture stores stated that they never received, never received
a bidding invitation like our administration told us, I think that was very
grave. The mistakes, if they were mistakes that were made, were more than
just one or two and they were also very grave. The point being is that our
administration could have corrected this months ago and we could have paid
the same amount of money without having to pay an additional $50,000 or what-
ever it is now. If we're paying that money, that extra money, it is again
because our administration bungled the issue trying to play games with it.
_ Mayor Ferre: I think, Plummer wants to leave at four, this matter has been
debated now , this is the 5th fime. Cumulatively I would say that we prob-
ably have taken about maybe five or six hours of talking on this. There is
nothing new that is going to be said. Now, the law, the judge made a ruling,
everybody understands where everybody is, let's go. Can we vote on this and
get onto Item C?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I will reserve my right to speak and make the record
clear, I'll make it brief.
Mayor Ferre: Plummer, I think the record also shows that you use that abundantly
so I don't think that there is any problem about anybody denying you your right
to speak.
Mr. Plummer: I didn't say that, Mr. Mayor. All I wish to say is that yes,
we've spent six hours, I would be willing to spend sixty hours and the
$b0,000 to insure the credibility and the future of our bidding procedure.
I think it would be time and money well spent by this Commission to assure
in the future that we will save millions and millions of dollars in having no
credibility with the people who do business in this town. Thank you. Mr.
Mayor, I'm ready to move Item C.
Mr. Clark: Mr. Mayor, this is only a report. The resolution itself will be
identical....
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Clark, I might remind you that you had a drafted resolution
to resolve this problem at the last meeting.
Mr. Clark: Yes, sir, and that amount will be changed from $550,524 to
to this amount.....
Mayor Ferre: So all Plummer is doing is moving it as a motion, as I under-
stood it and then you've got to come back with a typed up resolution, now
what is the problem?
Mr. Clark: Correct, I just want to make sure that you know that the bottom
line figure is $561,805.
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Mayor Ferre: Plummer, do you want to make your motion now?
Mr. Plummer: I make that motion.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-74
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO PAY LITTON
OFFICE PRODUCTS CENTERS, A DIVISION OF LITTON BUSINESS SYSTEMS,
INC., d/b/a CENTRAL STATIONERS, WITHOUT THE ADMINISSION OF
LIABILITY, AN AGGREGATE SUM UP TO THE MAXIMUM OF $561,805,
INCLUSIVE OF ATTORNEY'S FEES, IN FULL AND COMPLETE SETTLEMENT
OF ALL CLAIMS AND DEMANDS IN CONJUNCTION WITH A LAWSUIT IN-
VOLVING THE ACQUISITION OF OFFICE FURNITURE BY THE CITY, CON-
DITIONED UPON VOLUNTARY DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE OF THE LAWSUIT,
AND COMPLIANCE WITH OTHER SETTLEMENT TERMS.
(Here follows body of resolution., omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodoer R. Gibson.
4. DISCUSSION ITEM: SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT FOR
DOIgNTOWN M I At41 .
Mayor Ferre: All right, now we're on Item C which is discussion of the
Special Taxing District for the Downtown area. Mr. Manager?
Mr. Fosmoen: I'd like for Mr. Reid to give you a brief history of where we're
at on this issue. For, I guess over a year we have been working toward set-
ting the guidelines under which a Special Service District could be established
to increase police service in the downtown area. I would like in the way of
background to remind the Commission that this originally surfaced as a proposal
to establish a one mill special taxing district in the downtown area, 50% or
� mill would be made available to Dade County for operation of the DPM and 50%
or � mill would be made available to the City for two purposes, (1) the provis-
ion of additional police service or at the City Commission's option an addit-
ional support for the operation of the DPM. Given the current funding diffi-
culties wi:.:: the DPM, the fact that there is some question as to when that sys-
tem is going to be completed, when operating expenses would be necessary, we
n are now recommending that we deal only with the issue of additional police
service in the downtown area and that we work toward the establishment of a
special service district which would have an annual budget to be worked through
with the merchants and property owners in the downtown area based on their per-
ceived needs as well as the Police Department's input for additional police ser-
vice. We have worked with the County, again, I would remind you it is the
County that establishes the special service district, we do not have the author-
ity in our Charter to establish a service district for these purposes. Jim,
do you want to give us an overview on where we're at in terms of method of
co:.lection? And then there are representatives of the Police Department here
who will speak to the impact and kinds of services that could be generated
based on several scenarios.
Mr. Reid: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission, by way of background, what
you have before you in this Committee of the Whole Session is simply a work-
ing paper on an approach. We would expect that after the feed -back today and
before coming back to you in a public hearing process that this approach will
be discussed with the DDA board, with the Downtown Miami Businessmen's Assoc-
iation, with the Brickell Association and with the New World Action Committee.
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We wanted to start the discussion here so I would like to make that point
that this is the first time that this has been surfaced and it needs a lot
mere discussion with the public. The second is that there is an aimportant
assumption that we're making with respect to levels of service. we're
assuming that levels of service for downtown should be determined as they
are ra a city-wide basis, the number of crimes and the number of
calls rather than the fact that the downtown contributes more tax resources
possibly than other parts of the City because we expect our downtown to do
that, we expect it to provide support for other areas and to offset some of
the other regional roles that the City plays that have a negative impact on
the City. So I think those are two assumptions that we're working from with
respect to saying in effect if downtown wants a higher level of service from
the Police Department than they are currently getting based on the way we
allocate services throughout the whole City then they should have the oppor-
tunity to pay for that higher level of service. The information that is pro-
vided to you really focuses on four subjects. One is that there is at first
a paper with respect to the need for police services, what is happening with
respect to crime in downtown. This type of paper would be required for us to
go through the process that Mr. Fosmoen has outlined and specifically that is
that we would provide this paper to the Dade County Planning Department, they
would then petition the Clerk of the County Commissioners for the County Com-
mission to establish this special district under Section 18-3 of the County
Code either subject to resident vote or simply a public hearing. So the first
paper deals with the need for the additional police services. The second
paper deals with different staffing packages. Assuming downtown wanted more
police services what would it cost? And the Police Department has worked out
six different levels of service if you will that the downtown can pay for if
they choose to going from 100% increase of sworn officers to a 50% increase
to a 25% increase in sworn officers and some other options at lesser cost and
replace some of the sworn officers with public service aides. So in effect
there are six different packages of service that the downtown could buy if
they wanted other additional police protection. But how would this be paid
for, how would this be assessed against specific properties? What we're sug-
gesting in the third paper that is provided to you that really three factors
be taken into account and equally weighted. One is land value, the second is
building value and the third is street frontage. These factors are related
to ease of information. They are easily accessible, we can get them and
change them on a year to year basis as required and also in the case of the
front footage, an assumption that in terms of exposure to street crime that
front footage represents an equitable added variable in terms of the assess-
ment. So we are suggesting a way of assessing it against specific properties.
And what we have done finally is give you some examples of what this would
mean to specific properties. We've taken the Revitco Building, the Howard
Johnson's on 2nd Avenue and Burdines showing what the cost to them in tax dol-
lars would be from the Special Taxing District assuming different levels of
increases in police service. For example, in Burdines with a 100% increase
in police services for the entire Downtown Taxing District the cost to Bur -
dines would be $14,759 per year. This represents in relationship to their
present assessment about a 4% increase and basically we think at the highest
level of service we suggested which is 100% in police services, the cost to
individual taxpayers would range probably no more than 5%, possibly as high
as 6 in terms of any given downtown property. So basically to summarize, (1)
we have prepared a paper documenting the need for services, we have different
staffing packages depending on the interest of the downtown merchants, we
have what we think is a fair and simply derived allocation formula and we
can apply it to as many examples as you want to apply to. These are three
examples just to show for different types of uses - office building, hotel
and retail what the cost would be.
Mr. Fosmoen: Mr. Mayor, our recommendation would be that we along with the
Commission have a workshop in the downtown area, attempt through the various
organizations to notify the property owners, this would be an informal work-
shop, and to notify property owners, merchants, other concerned people and
present this to them, get their reaction and then move toward the County
establishing this Special Service District.
Mayor Ferre: All right, let me just give you my reaction to this memorandum
and to the proposal. This idea surfaced two years ago, two years ago in the
month of March. And I can't help but just reiterate, sometimes we're really
our worst enemies in this City. For something like this to take two years,
for a while we blamed it on Ginsburg then we blamed it somebody else then
we blamed it on all kinds of reasons. The fact is that after two years we
really can't blame it on anybody but ourselves. There is no question that
the thrust in 1980 of the Reagan administration is going to be that whatever
moneys are available have got to be used for battling inflation and for
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military build-up. Okay? And that means there is not going to be any money
available for local communities especially those traditional areas which
local communities have paid for themselves. Now, that simply means that we
need to start thinking, we, and the County is already beginning to do that
too, of special taxing districts for special purpose areas. You want rapid
transit or you want downtown people movers or you want this or you want that
then let the people decide if they want to pay for it. If they want to pay
for it then they're going to have to pay for it. Now, we have standard ser-
vices and everybody is entitled to his or her fair share of whatever the pie
is that we have. But the pie isn't going to get any bigger unless the people
that are served want it Digger and I think this is a beginning that is long
overdue. I have been screaming about this for two years, it has to be done
and I think thank God here we are in February now finally getting a little
direction and a little movement. And my vote on this Commission is that we
pursue this quickly and immediately get going with our discussions, that the
downtown merchants and the people that will be paying for this, the property
owners, every time I've discussed it with them even those that were strongly
opposed to it when you sit down and you explain it and you reason it with
them, I have yet to find one that isn't for it, not one. I have yet to find
one person that is an opponent to this that after half an hour of discussion
doesn't change his mind or her mind and I just think it is something that is
long overdue.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I have two areas of concern. First, I want to compli-
ment the Department for finally bringing it to conclusion and I want to criti-
cize the Department in two areas. The first area is I have a problem with you
telling the downtown merchants_n effect is what you've done, here's what your
alternatives are. I think the downtown merchants should tell us what they
want. I think that if even they want to go than one of your a la carte por-
tions that's their right and they should have the right to tell us since they're
going to be paying the tab. The second thing is I have heard nothing to allev-
iate the only expressed concern to me by the merchants and that is if we pay
for them we want to make sure that that which we're paying for today as the
norm will not be taken and diverted elsewhere and especially those that we're
going to be paying_ extra for will not be diverted elsewhere. And I will tell
you quite frankly that if you don't relieve that fear if I was a merchant I
wouldn't vote for it for one penny. Now, the final concluding thing that I
want to make. As this reads, and as the Mayor has fully stated, this has taken
two years to come to where we are today. It addresses only downtown. I hope
because the merchants of Coconut Grove, the merchants of Edison Center, the
merchants of Allapattah have all been waiting for this to get into a final
form at my suggestion that they do nothing, let's get the pattern, but I hope
to God that we're not looking at two years before the availability to these
other areas that we've got to go through this same arduous process to afford
them what they're willing to pay for. I say the quicker we can get this thing
implemented it is going to help overcome that philosophy of fear that exists
and help turn it around.
Mayor Ferre: All right, are there other comments?
Mr. Fosmoen: Maybe a point of clarification to Commissioner Plummer's com-
ments. First, what we have put together is a shopping list. It would be our
intention to work with the merchants to determine what their level of priority
is.
Mayor Ferre: That's obvious.
Mr. Plummer: well no, Mr. Mayor, now I'm sorry. There is a tendency around
City Hall, you ask any Community Development group, the tendency is that they
tell the people, "Here is what you should have".
Mayor Ferre: J. L., you know that those merchants in downtown, all of them
have their very strong opinions, we're starting out with Al, B1 and Cl - I
guarantee you they'll end up with 20 formulas by the time we're through.
Mr. Plummer: Fine, I just want it that they're going to make the final deci-
sion.
Mayor Ferre: No, they're not going to make the final decision, we're going to
make the final decision.
Mr. Plummer: We, the merchants and this Commission will make it, not the ad-
ministration is what I'm saying.
Mayor Ferre: Well Okay, but I'm sure, you know you've got the President of
the Merchants' Association sitting in the back here, he's a very strong willed
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young man and I'll tell you the people that he deals are even more strong
willed. I mean how he can control the meeting of the Downtown Merchants is
something that is a minor miracle in itself. And so I am pretty sure that
you will have some very strong opinions as to what they want and what they
don't want and we'll have to deal with that and I might point out that really
the final decision is the County Commission. We need to go get their approval
and then we're going to have a public hearing.
Mr. Plummer: The final decision are the voters.
Mayor Ferre: No.
Mr. Plummer: Yes, if they don't approve it....
Mr. Fosmoen: There are two ways to go, Commissioner.
Mayor Ferre: You'd better read the memo.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I understand what you're saying but I'm going to tell
you again the final decision is the voters.
Mayor Ferre: That's true, you're absolutely right.
Mr. Fosmoen: As to the Commissioner's second point, we must in order for this
process to be legal, we must maintain a base level of service. We can't use
a Special Taxing District to supplement the services we're already providing.
Mayor Ferre: I think you're going to see this happening all over the United
States and I woud hope that we would be in the forefront of doing this in the
right way and I think Plummer is right. I think beyond downtown you're going
to see the Fashion District and the Decorator's District and Allapattah and
Coconut Grove and Little Havana, they're all going to follow suit on this and
I would hope that we could do this very very deliberately and carefully. Any
other comments?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor and Mr. Reid, give me a deadline. All these people in
the media are going to be reporting, and the first thing I'm going to get
plagued with tomorrow morning and my colleagues are - are we looking towards
April 1, June 1? I want to put your feet to the fire, give me a date.
Mr. Fosmoen: Okay, be happy to. We probably will not have in place the dis-
trict or the officers to serve that district before October of this year.
Mr. Plummer: You're saying that you feel comfortable that by October 1 of this
year that it will be passed and the officers will be in place.
Mr. Fosmoen: As soon as we can recruit them, Commissioner.
Mr. Plummer: All right, sir - October 1.
Mr. Fosmoen: I've given you the best estimate I can, Commissioner.
Mr. Plummer: I understand that.
Mr. Fosmoen: I don't know how long the public hearing process at this point
is going to take, we have an indication from the County that they're willing
to support this process, there is nothing to prevent us and the merchants from
starting to recruit officers, we may not be able to hire them until October 1st.
Mr. Plummer: If they oppose, can we exclude 73 West Flagler?
Mayor Ferre: All right, Fosmoen, I want to make sure that before we get to
the public hearing portion of this that we try to preclude all of the arguements
that have been presented that are valid arguments. There are a lot of people
that still are not convinced, I once in a while run into a merchant who says,
Well, you know we've got x-number of policemen, what guarantee do I have that
for the taxes I pay I'm not going to get less? And you know, they've been play-
ing with me and the Police Department is always playing games and they give us
six more in December but in January they yank them away, and you know the argu-
ment. And all you're going to do is tax us and then give us what we ought to
hve anyway. So we've got to have that very carefully documented and we have
to have it in legal language so that there is absolute guaranteed assurance
so people don't feel they're being cheated. And we need to do a public relations
job. That means that the Chief, and I see that Chief Breslow is here, and
Chief, you need to get your P.R. arm of the Police Department functioning so
that people understand what because the problem always in these type of things
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is misunderstanding due to either misinformation or being uninformed. People
are either uninformed or misinformed and I think that where the problems are,
we've got to foresee that. The second point I want to make publicly here, I
want everybody to understand what we're doing here because when we first
started doing this the idea was that we were going to put transportation in
as part of this police protection thing because, and let's put it right out
on top of the table, and I don't think anybody has really said this publicly
yet, but the fact is that we're all suspicious, people in this community are
not going to pay to tax themselves for transportation purposes because that's
not popular, especially things that are unknown like a "Downtown People Mover"
or "Rapid Transit". Okay? People will not vote for that so we were going to
put apples and oranges together and try to mix them into one basket so that
they would both pass, the popular and the unsure, the popular taking along the
unsure. Now what we're doing is we're separating them. There is no question
in my mind that this is going to pass overwhelmingly, that everybody is going
to be for this. Every day that goes -by there is bad news for the Downtown
People Mover, every day that goes by there is one more blow to it. I want to
say publicly that we're dealing another blow today. Now I know we're going
to come back and do the other one with the County, the County has the responsi-
bility for transportation, that's not our responsibility, they're messed and
they're the legal of this, they haven't concluded and Merritt Stierheim hasn't
concluded, John Dyer hasn't concluded and they're all discussing that but I
want to tell you that by us taking this step which we're forced to do because
of time, we're in effect creating a problem for the transportation solutions
of downtown Miami. I just want to put that on the record because I think not
to say that would be dishonest. We've got to say it.
Mr. Plummer: What do you need from us?
Mr. Fosmoen: In my opinion a direction to hold a workshop at a convenient
location downtown like Bayfront Auditorium perhaps at 4 or 5 O'Clock in the
afternoon at a day convenient to you all where we can pull the merchants in
and try to answer the questions that they have, merchants and property owners.
Mr. Plummer: The sooner the better.
Mayor Ferre: Is there a place that would be more accessible? I mean I know
the auditorium at Bayfront.....
Mr. Plummer: How about Gusman Hall?
Mayor Ferre: Is there a place that would be a little bit closer so that the
merchants could actually walk from their shops?
Mr. Fosmoen: Well, we're talking about a very large district, Mr. Mayor, you
know I don't think there is any place that they're all going to be walk to.
This district goes all the way from Omni down to 14th Road.
Mr. Plummer: Yes, but primarily you're going to get them out of the central
core.
Mr. Fosmoen: And frankly, of we provide parking in a convenient location they're
more likely to get there.
Mayor Ferre: I think you're right, I stand corrected. Okay. Is there a motion
then?
Mr. Plummer: What motion do you want? I want it done yesterday.
Mr. Fosmoen: Just to organize a public hearing.
Mr. Plummer: That's exactly the motion I make.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-75
A MOTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO MAKE
THE NECESSARY ARRANGEMENTS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE
DOWNTOWN AREA TO CONSIDER THE POSSIBLE IMPLEMENTATION OF A
SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL POLICE SERVICES
IN ORDER THAT MERCHANTS AND OTHERS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA MAY
EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the motion was passed FEB 8�
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and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr,
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodore R. Gibson.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I would hope that the administration would immediately
contact the merchants or civic associations of the other areas because they are
going to have a very important part of this input in creating if they wish
their own areas and let them become familiar with what we're going through to
create the first vehicle.
5. DISCUSSION ITEM: CONTINUED FUNDING FOR NEW 4IASHINGTON
HEIGHTS ECOt�O IC DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE
(TO FEB. 2$).
Mr. Fosmoen: ',Ir. Mayor, at the last meeting New Washington Heights came in
and requested an additional $25,000 to continue funding their organization
until such time as possibly State funding is made available through the re-
development, the Governor's package was put together to assist community
based organizations. You have a memorandum in your package from Dena Spillman
indicating that we have contacted the State and in all likelihood funds will
not be available until April of this year. In addition to that, the issue was
taken to the Community Development organization in Overtown and they have recom-
mended not continuing funding for the New Washington Heights Organization.
Miss Spillman is here if you wish to ask her any questions.
Mayor Ferre: All right, questions from members of the Commission?
Mr. Plummer: You know, here again how much rhetoric do we need? What are you
recommending again? Give me the bottom line.
Mr. Fosmoen: We're recommending that we not continue funding.
Mr. Plummer: Okay, then what you're saying is put the people out of business.
Now what fills the void and the gap?
Mr. Fosmoen: There is another organization in place in the Overtown area
which provides economic development services, the Overtown Economic Development
Council.
Mr. Plummer: Okay. Now it is my understanding that this group is, in fact,
going to get State funding, and as I recall, they were supposed to produce to
us some kind of paper indicating as much as they could from a State authority
or that place that they were looking for funding that showed this Commission
that what we were doing was filling like a 30 day void. Has that document
been presented?
Mr. Fosmoen: Not to me.
Mr. Plummer: Then to the people that are asking for the money, have you got
such a document?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: We do not, sir.
Mr. Plummer: All right, sir, so in lieu of not having that document I must
assume that you are not anticipating State funding to come through.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: That is not true, sir, that is not accurate.
Mr. Plummer: Then you would please explain the difference.
Mr. Reginald Burton: I'm Reginald Burton, I'm the Chairman of the Board of
the New Washington Economic Development Council. The State regulations that
were set up governing the allocation of the $5,000,000 for Economic Develop-
ment are quite explicit, Mr. Plummer. The request for proposals went out on
January 15th, the State Department of Community Affairs Office of Community
Affairs has 22 days to review the 19 applications that came out of Dade County
relative to those funds. The end of
those
ose 22 days will be approximately
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February 15th. We have an additional 22 working days to respond to them
and make any corrections that there might be in that particular applica-
tion package. The State Office of Community Affairs will be here in the
City of Miami from February 18th, three days a week thereafter until the
end of the review process so that they will have direct technical assist-
ance input to us in revising whatever questions they might in respect to
the application.
Mr. Plummer: Look, here is where I'm at. Okay? You might agree or you
might disagree but you know I come from a position of honest. I don't
want to lose the opportunity of keeping two or more groups working in that
area. I would hope that we could fund 10 but it isn't possible. Your
organization hasn't quite played by the rules. IZow, you haven't been honest
with me - you've been honest but let me tell you I asked of your organiza-
tion to see a copy of these things in relation to the hotel I think it was.
I haven't seen them. Okay?
Mr. Burton: Mr. Plummer, if I can refresh your memory in respect to that.
At the time the request was made for us to turn the report over to the City
it was your suggestion that the City come to our office to review that....
Mr. Plummer: Sir, that's exactly what I said but you're not saying every-
thing that I said. I said that you were going to give me a copy personally.
You're asking for my vote, my personal vote and the people who said in my
office were going to bring me a set. Yes, I said that you make available to
the City at their convenience to come and inspect. Now, let me tell you where
I am, the bottom line. I am willing to go another month, maybe more, I want
to go the last mile. All right, sir? But the funding I'm willing to give
you today, and I can't speak for the rest of the Commission, is going to be
on a week to week or I'll go on a month to month basis. The 26th is fine,
I'll continue funding. I want to go every inch I can go, but sir, I want to
tell you what the bottom line is. If the State doesn't come through for you
we can't do it. I'm willing to go that mile.
Mayor Ferre: All right, there is a motion on the floor that this program be
continued till the 26th of February, is there a second?
Mr. Carollo: Second.
Mayor Ferre: All right, now under discussion. Go ahead. The motion is that
we continue funding until the 26th of February.
Mr. Plummer: From the Contingency Fund.
Mayor Ferre: That's right. Yes, sir.
Mr. William Johnson: Mr. Mayor and Commissioners, my name is William Johnson.
I'm Chairman of the Overtown Community Development Board. On February 3, 1980
The New Washington Heights Development Corporation came before the Overtown
Advisory Council requesting that we recommend to the City Commission their con-
tinued funding for a period of 30 days. It was unanimously opposed by the
advisory council at that time for a number of reasons. Some of the reasons
is that we've been before this Commission about previously, we don't want to
go over them again and again. New Washington Heights has received more than
a quarter million dollars in funds from the City and their results in the
Overtown area are negligible. There is only one project that is being im-
plemented now. Most of the members of the New Washington Heights Board are
non-residents of the Overtown area, they don't own businesses in the overtown
area and they aren't representative of the populace in the Overtown area.
New Washington Heights received $25,000 from the City in December, the results
again are negligable. New Washington Heights in the past year was evaluated
first by the Advisory Council, secondly by the City's staff and thirdly by an
impartial person from out of town. All of the evaluations were found in our
favor. Based upon this and other considerations that we brought before the
City Commission time and time again, we again recommend not funding New Wash-
ington Heights. Thank you.
Mayor Ferre: All right, further discussion?
Ms. Dana Chapman: Mr. Mayor and Commissioners, my name is Dana Dorsey Chapman.
I'm a property owner in the Overtown area. I'm speaking to you today first as
a property and secondly as a member of the Overtown Community Development Board.
We are very concerned about your continuing to disregard our Overtown Commun-
ity Development Board. We work very hard and give a lot of hours and a lot of
concerns to what is needed for Overtown and, of course, we don't have all of the
funds that we basically need. We just allocated every dollar we had for
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everything that we thought was pertinent to the community, that was valuable
to the community and frankly, when we got through we don't have any funds
left to give anybody and to us allocating or refunding New Washington Heights
would be a gift. As a taxpayer I frankly cannot afford it and I pay the major-
ity of my taxes in Overtown and if we continue to go through this process of
refunding them every time they give out of salary moneys we will never get
any benefit from it and this is just not my opinion as a property owner, it
is not just my opinion as a member of that Community Development Board, they
will be back for more funds. We work very hard and when we make a recommenda-
tion to you it is not given very lightly. Then if you're not going to pay us
any attention there is no reason in having a board out there trying to work
conscientiously for our community. Thank you.
Mr. Plummer: Dana, just in response, I want you to understand it was not by
mistake, it was by design, those moneys are not going to be affecting your
allotment, they are coming from a contingency fund not any moneys devoted to
your particular project.
Ms. Chapman: May I respond to you?
Mr. Plummer: Sure.
Ms. Chapman: The Contingency Funds are still taxpayers' dollars.
Mr. Plummer: You'd better believe it, and the money is no different in color.
Mr. Charles Cash: My name is Charles Cash, I'm the Vice -Chairman of the Over -
town Advisory Board. Mr. Mayor and Commission, I sit here this morning and I
was listening to Commissioner Plummer use the word credibility. I remember
last year when this Commission went on record to say that they would not fund
New Washington Heights anymore. Now, we went in December, you gave them
$25,000 and they're back today to ask for another $25,000. The community is
saying one thing, I don't know whether it is getting to your ear, but I would
like for you to know that what the community is saying is discontinue wasting
our tax dollars like this. Thank you.
Mayor Ferre: All right, further discussion?
Ms. Jackie Bell: I'm Jackie Bell. I am a property owner in the City of Miami,
I am a property owner in Dade County, I am a property owner in the State of
Florida and I am a property owner in other places in this State. I too play
taxes. I feel that this Commission should sit and be just. All of the things
you have heard, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Carollo, Mr. Lacasa, Mr. J. L. Plummer, you
have seen Jackie Bell and New Washington Heights stand tall for this black com-
munity since 1967. I know that it is tax dollars but for 50 years you have
not had one new piece of construction on 2nd Avenue and today I can stand here
and tell you that Southeast First National Bank did not need a guarantee to us
to do the project that J. L. Plummer and Father Theodore Gibson came out on
January the 6th, 1981 and witnessed the groundbreaking but today there is con-
struction going on in that community by the hands of New Washington Heights
and its members. I agree with Mr. Cash, but the fact is that Mr. Cash cannot
stand here and tell you that his store is not rehabbed. lie can tell you that
we caused him to almost go bankrupt but he cannot take away the fact that we
got $85,000 from commercial rehabilitation of Dade County to do that project
and that we spent more than 300 hours to do it. All I ask from this community
is that each one of you be just, that's all. we haven't had any justice in
this community in a long time, Maurice, and when the riots were going on -
we haven't had no justice in a long time - I'm not saying New Washington Heights,
I said this community and we only ask, we know we are going to get State dol-
lars, Mr. Fosmoen knows, it, we don't have it in our, hands, it is a review
process like everything else but we do qualify and all we ask of you is jus-
tice this morning, thank you.
Mayor Ferre: All right, further discussion? Call the roll, please.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-76
A MOTION TO APPROVE CONTINUED FUNDING OF THE NEW WASHINGTON
HEIGHTS DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE GROUP TO FEBRUARY 26, 1981;
SUCH FUNDING TO BE TAKEN FROM THE CONTINGENCY FUND.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the motion was passed and
adopted by the following vote-
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AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodore R. Gibson.
Mayor Ferre: We'll see you again on the 26th, this only takes you to the 26th.
By that time I hope that you will come back with some stronger proof that the
State is going to be funding you.
Ms. Bell: Thank you very much.
Mr. Burton: Mr. Mayor, in regards to the 26th, all we can come back with is a
review from the State. Final approval, as I indicated, on the funding will
not be held until 22 days after their final review. We have 22 days to re-
spond to them and subsequently they will make the final allocation.....
Mr. Plummer: A smart man would provide to this Commission any communication
that you have that gives an indication of what you speak.
Mr. Burton: Thank you, sir.
Mayor Ferre: I'm not too sure you're going to have the votes here come the
26th, I want you to understand that.
Mr. Burton: Let me, if I can just.... I think it is important for the Com-
mission to understand that New Washington Heights has expended tremendous
energies here in the City of Miami in trying to produce a reasonable environ-
ment for black people to live in the overtown area. We have done it because
we are community pecpd e and we feel that we deserve a better opportunity than
we have been given. All we've asked since we've been in operation is the sup-
port of this Commission. We're grateful for what we've received to date, how-
ever, I think that support has been half, it has not been the full support of
this Commission and its staff. We came to you better than a year ago and re-
quested funding above and beyond the staff funding that we've been given.
You know as well as I do it is not possible to create an environmental redevelop-
ment merely by having people sitting behind desks. We have asked that you pro-
vide us with the kinds of dollars whether it is New Washington Heights or
whoever it is that's going to be providing economic development in that com-
munity, the tools to get the job done. We have requested from the state and
from several other sources additional funding which will permit us to do that
and I hope that we'll be able to get your support in the future to continue
redevelorrit'nt in the overtown area. Thank vou.
E 1!,CP1_ASE ALLOCATION - 6TH YEAR C. D. BLOCK GRANT
F U[JGS OVERTO',,'N ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
Mayor Ferre: Thank you. All right, we're going to take Item 10 because the
people are here from the Overtown Economic Development Corporation and instead
of coming back this afternoon they want action on it now. This authorizes the
Manager to increase the allocation of the Gth year C. D. Bloc, Grant Funds of
the Overtown Economic Development Corporation from 50,000 to 111,300. Father
Gibson has now talked to and Mr. Fosmoen, you're going to report on that.
Mr. Fosmoen: Mr. Mayor, Commissioner Gibson's comment was that he has no ob-
jection but he would like to see a periodic status report on the group activity.
In the contract we retain approval of expenditures and will bring back periodic
reports, so I believe that.....
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Mayor Ferre: The simple way of doing that is to include it in the motion, if
there is a motion forthcoming. Does anybody here want to discuss this matter
other than what is in the packet? All right, then, is there a motion on Item
10 with the proviso as requested by Father Gibson that periodic reports be
forthcoming?
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-77
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO INCREASE THE ALLO-
CATION OF SIXTH YEAR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDS TO
THE OVERTOWN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION FROM $50,000 TO
$11,300 FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING EXPANDED ECONOMIC DEVELOP-
MENT SERVICES IN THE OVERTOWN TARGET AREA; FURTHER AUTHORIZING
THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT WITH
SUCH AGENCY.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodore R. Gibson.
7. DISCUSSION ITEM: BULKHEAD REPAIR IN BAYFRONT PARK
SHARE UP TO 50% OF COSTS WITH CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
Mayor Ferre: We're now on Item E which is the Recreation Development and
Bulkhead Repair of Bayfront Park. There is a letter which I will submit into
the record from Congressman Claude Pepper but I'll read it so that we're all
aware of the context. "It is my understanding that the City of Miami Commis-
sion set for February llth includes a part of its agenda an issue pertaining
to the development of Bayfront Park. I would like to take this opportunity
to encourage your support for this technical matter which would enable the
Corps of Engineers to proceed with the construction of the bulkhead and bay -
walks portion of the project. As you know, I have continued to devote my
efforts to seeing that the local commitment to the redevelopment of Bayfront
Park is matched by the federal assistance. I am pleased to note that this
interest has been rewarded as indicated by the appropriation of funds for
work to be carried out by the Department of the Army. Of course, there is
still much to be done but I am confident that with your good help we can look
forward to future funding guarantees leading to the completion of the park
design concept. Your favorable consideration of this matter before the Com-
mission and the continued are certainly in the public's interest. Warm per-
sonal regards, believe me, as always, Sincerely, Claude Pepper, Member of
Congress.
Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Mayor, first of all I think that we should thank Congress-
man Pepper for this help to the City of Miami and as far as the project is
concerned there is no question that if we can get this work done by the U. S.
Corps of Engineers at no cost to the City because the only cost will be the
deeding of the land with a free lease back to us for 25 years, this will
enable us to continue the development of the Bayfront Park and I'm sure, Kitty,
that this also will help in the development of the Noguchi park that we are
also planning for this particular area so I am all for that.
Mayor Ferre: All right, further comments, statements, discussion? Is there
a motion? Call the roll.
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The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-78
A RESOLUTION EXPRESSING AN INTENT ON THE PART OF THE CITY OF
MIAMI TO SHARE UP TO FIFTY PER CENT OF (50t) OF THE COST OF
RECREATIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND BULIHEAD REPAIR AT BAYFRONT PARK
AND CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS THEREON, WITH THE UNITED STATES ARMY
CORPS OF ENGINEERS; FURTHER INTENDING TO CONVEY A STRIP OF
BAYFRONT PARK TO THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS FOR
THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BAYWALK, WITH SAME BEING LEASED BACK TO
THE CITY OF MIAMI AT NO COST, UPON COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
Mayor Ferre: The only question that I have, Dick, is how wide a strip is it
that we have to dedicate? I mean is it 10 feet or 5 feet or 100 feet?
Mr. Fosmoen: whatever is going to be worth a million dollars. We are going
to have to go out and get some appraisals on the property. Roy, how much?
About 15 feet?
Mr. Roy Kenzie: The Corps of Engineers will have appraisals done on the
property so we'll know what the property is worth to determine how much back
from the bay it will take or that we would give to them fee simple and that
we could then lease back. I think also the terms of the lease, how many years
before it would be renewable...
Mayor Ferre: But that would come up before the Commission to vote on it.
Mr. Kenzie: Yes, that has to come back, this is merely a statement of intent
so that we can go forward and authorize them through agreement to go into the
design, engineering and the first part of that. It will have to come back to
the Commission for further discussion and eventual negotiation of a contract.
8. PRESENTATION BY PLANNING DEPARTMENT: HISTORIC
PRESERVATION PLANNING PROGRAM.
Mayor Ferre: Historic Preservation Planning Program, 11r. Reid.
Mr. Fosmoen: Jo)'ce Meyers is also here to make part of the presentation, Mr.
Mayor and I will be back as soon as I finish talking with Commissioner Gibson.
Mr. Reid: I just want to introduce the presentation to be made by Joyce
Meyers of the Planning Department. Quite some time ago Commissioner Plummer
during a discussion before this Commission was talking about how Cities like
Savannah, Georgia and Charleston and other places throughout the country were
capitalizing on their historic heritage and preserving it in attempting to
look at how the best of the past could be saved in terms of creating the fabric
of a whole city. One of the things that we have been working on is trying to
develop for the City is a historic preservation program and we wanted to dis-
cuss the outlines with you at this time because of several factors that have
brought the issue to a head. (1) Dade County is going to act, is considering
enactment of an ordinance which preserves historic properties on a county -wide
basis so they, if we fail to act, would pre-empt this field. The ordinance
that they now have before them allows municipalities to set up similar ordin-
ances but if we have no ordinance their ordinance would govern. So we really
have that to deal with. The second is Dade County has done a survey with
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State money of historic properties in areas within the City of Miami and they
have identified 2 to 3,000 properties that are of potential historical and
architectural significance. We think that some of the results of that survey
are very good, we think other parts of the survey need careful screening by
the City of Miami. For example, one of the areas that is suggested as a his-
toric street is Tigertail and the reason given that it is a historic street
is because it is the back entrance to the historic properties on Bayshore.
So we feel that in the County's general survey of historic properties and so
forth that needs to be screened and controls put on the ones that we feel are
important. (3)There has been an interest nationally in recycling and conserv-
ing buildings for reasons of economy. Many times it is cheaper to rehab and
particularly if there is a historic district involved and you can take advant-
age of tax laws. And finally I think what is most important in the long term
to Miami, and this will give Miami an additional sense of neighborhood and
place and identity. There are some areas of the City in which we have strong
neighborhood identification and sense of place but it is not true throughout
the City and understanding the past and being concerned about it can help in
this regard. I would like to turn the program over to Joyce Meyers who is
going to take about 5 to 7 minutes of your time and just talk about historic
preservation.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Reid, may I ask a question, and I will admit to you, sir,
I didn't hear 100%. My concern as it relates to a historic preservation program
and planning ordinances, we speak to the immediate thing at hand and I hope
that will come out immediately, that is the proposal by Dade County in relation
to their ordinance which in effect would be setting minimum standards. Now, I
don't know if the rest of this Commission has been made available tine very far
reaching ordinance being proposed by Dade County? And I want to tell you trial
all of this other discussion at this time is going to serve no purpose but for
us to spin our wheels and have an ordinance delivered to us telling us what our
planning is going to be. Now, you know and I know that J. L. Plummer has ser-
ious problems, serious problems when government can tell a man what he can do
with his personal property. That is a philosophy you will never take out of
my brain - the right of an owner to do in the law what he wants. This law as
proposed, as I understand the law is going to take that right from him. I think
the law as proposed or the intent of what is trying to be accomplished I have
no problem with it. As you know, and I'm sure you've read the ordinances, one
of the proposals if a man wants to allow his property to be declared a historic
site would allow certain features and one of the features was that he could
apply for refurbishing funds, federal funds. Another thing would be that his
taxes could be cut in the area of balance called compensation but the ordinance
as presently proposed by Metropolitan Dade County is a blatant example of tak-
ing a man's property without compensation and I want to tell you that that to
me gets to the very root of what this country stands for, the right of oppor-
tunity, the right of a man being able to own his own property and do what he
wants. And I'm saying to you I'm willing to sit here and listen to your pres-
entation but if your presentation doesn't address the thing at hand, and it
is ready to be passed by Metropolitan Dade County, that we're doing nothing
more than spinning our wheels and we're going to have hand delivered to us
what we're going to do not what we would like to see. I'm only speaking for
one Commissioner, but confiscation of a man's property without compensation
is the way I read it and I want you to know I will fight with everything within
me to oppose this thing. I think there are some ways that it can be accom-
plished but by God, you're not going to take away from a man that given right.
Mr. Reid: As I understand it, responding to that point, Mr. Commissioner,
the Dade County public hearing on their ordinance is their next meeting, Feb-
ruary 17th. Of course, taking property....
Mr. Plummer: Well, let me tell you the truth. The truth of the matter was
only through the begging of the Dade League of Cities was it moved from the
first part of February to the 17th. They didn't want to do it and here we
as a Commission sit with not a word from our administration to inform us of
what is about to come down on us and I sit here as a Commissioner and don't
have from my administration the first word. I'm saying to you it is a dis-
grace that I've got to go to a Dade League Meeting and have handed to me at
that meeting something that is going to vitally affect my City.
Mr. Reid: There are two comments or. that, Mr. Commissioner, one is that, of
course, nobody can take property without just compensation in terms of the
Constitution.
Mr. Plummer: Then you have not read the ordinance.
Mr. Reid: Well, I'm saying if that is what the ordinance does then they're
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Mr. Plummer: I agree with you, sir.
Mr. Reid: The second thing is that we're operating on the assumption, and
the part of the Dade County Ordinance that we favor allows municipalties to
enact their own ordinances. So we're not opting for Dade County to control.,
Mr. Plummer: No, sir, let me tell you where you're wrong.
Mr. Reid: No, I understand what you're going to say.
Mr. Plummer: You'd better understand. We can adopt anything we want after
they have set minimum standards. We can be more restrictive than what they're
going to propose but we cannot under Home Rule Charter do anything more liberal
than what they do. Mr. Fosmoen, is that the concept of the Home Rule Charter?
Mr. Fosmoen: Yes, sir.
Mr. Plummer: You had better understand that well.
Mr. Reid: I do, Commissioner. Ms. Meyers will be prepared to comment on the
Dade County Ordinance and what we're proposing on our own.
Mr. Plummer: well, I didn't see anything in the back up materials, sir, of
today's item reference the Dade County Ordinance. Okay? I didn't see it.
Mr. Reid: I understand, we're prepared to comment on it.
Mr. Plummer: No, sir, I would hope that this would have been the main topic.
You'd better understand it.
Mayor Ferre: I understand exactly what it is, J. L., and I've been dealing
with this, but there is another side to it and I think we ought to hear it.
Ms. Meyers: Good morning, Mr. Mayor and Commissioners, my presentation is
going to address your concern to some extent. historic preservation, or as
we prefer to call it Heritage Conservation is an issue that has received
quite a lot of attention around Dade County recently. This Commission has
been directly involved for several years. You have directly helped save
several of our most outstanding historic buildings and back in 1979 you di-
rected the Planning Department to develop a more comprehensive program that
would promote preservation on a larger scale. We've developed such a prog-
ram which is described in your memorandum. We're here today to seek your
endorsement for the program and to prepare for two major actions that are
coming up. The heart of the program is a preservation ordinance similar to
Dade County's. At your next meeting on February 26th, you're going to be
asked to approve an interim version of that ordinance and soon after we'll
be bringing a complete permanent ordinance to you for approval. I won't go
into the details of the ordinance but would like to address the issues revolv-
ing around it. First, the proposed ordinance is modeled after national guide-
lines and precedents that are being used by over 600 cities around the country.
It has been well established by the courts that these types of ordinances are
legal and do not involve the taking of private property rights. I have a list
of all of those cities with me if you're interested. Locally Coral Gables any
the City of Key West have similar Historic Preservation Ordinances in effect.
The objective of the program is to make historic preservation economically
feasible for the private sector. The ordinance combines this objective and a
carrot and a stick approach. It enables us to offer significant incentives
and benefits to private property owners. Shown on the screen and necessarily
it involves some restrictions upon private property owners. Since these
restrictions draw the concern and attention that's what I'm going to address
first. The ordinance does say that you cannot tear down an important historic
structure unless you first come and talk to us and determine that there are no
other viable alternatives and secondly....
Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, my dear, and anything I say is not personal. Okay?
But when you make a statement such as that would you make the full statement?
Okay, in other words give us all the facts. Now you said if I'm a property
owner we've got to go talk with you and I agree with that. Okay? That that
is there, but I think you'd better tell the whole story that you come talk,
have is it 12 or 18 months in which you can stop a man from doing with his
property if he comes to you and you disagree in the first 30 days it is my
understanding the proposed ordinance gives the City government the right to
hold up a demolition permit for either 12 or 16 months and that is very sig-
nificant.
Ms. Meyers: The Dade County Ordinance as it has currently been amended gives
that option up to 6 months and it is an option....
Mr. Plummer: Well, then it has been amended.
Ms. Meyers: Yes, it has. It is an option to be applied according to the sit-
uation.
Mr. Plummer: In today's market 6 months of 21% interest can damned near make
or break a property.
Mr. Fosmoen: That's the carrot on the stick.
Mr. Plummer: What I'm saying to you is please, when you say and make a state-
ment please give the full statement, don't say all you've got to do is just
come talk because that's not the end of it. Under this ordinance you come and
talk and if there is a disagreement I can hold you for 6 months if that's what
the new method is. But make the full statement.
Ms. Meyers: Okay. You have the option of holding that project up for up to 6
months. It also says that you can't make any alterations to a historic build-
ing unless you first come in and receive expert advise on how to do that while
respecting the historic character of the building. These are restrictions,
there's no doubt about it but all they really amount to is to force people to
stop and think before they destroy something that is valuable to the whole cour
munity and again the courts all over the country have established that the pub-
lic does have the right to ask at least this much of the private property owners.
Mr. Plummer: Sure, and I agree - go buy it just like he did.
Ms. Meyers: It is usually not merely the prospect of waiting and talking
though that bothers property owners. Rather, they're afraid that the results
of the review process, the decisions that result will be unreasonable, unfair
or cause a financial burden. These are common misconceptions and it is critical
that this Commission understand that these are misconceptions. First, the ordin-
ance itself strictly forbids any decision that would result in a financial hard-
ship for an owner. It says this clearly throughout the ordinance and it is the
standard test for legality that has been established by the Supreme Court.
Secondly and more importantly, if there is a potential for unreasonable and
unfair interference with private property rights here it doesn't lie in the
ordinance itself which is just a piece of enabling legislation. The problem
lies in the application of the ordinance to specific situations. Fortunately,
the people who apply the ordinance is this Commission. You have the responsi-
bility of using it fairly and reasonably. Since you can insure that no prop-
erty owner will be treated unfairly then there is no need, as some people
would argue, to scrap the whole ordinance or to amend it so that you tie your
own hands to do some of the very beneficial things that are possible.
Mr. Plummer: Joyce, let me try to short-circuit you. I want you to know and
to understand that the bottom line of what you're trying to accomplish I am
behind 100%. Okay? I want you to know that.
Mayor Ferre: You've got to die to go to heaven.
Mr. Plummer: No, you haven't got to die to go to heaven, you don't even have
to get sick. Ferre, just because you can't walk into a church without the
roof falling in doesn't mean that other can't walk into the church. Now,
look, what I'm saying to you is that I want to get to the same end product
that you do. I have the feeling that what is being proposed is an absolute
disaster. I say it can be accomplished in another way. I say that, for example,
you give a man incentives - incentives. You can give him tax abatement, you
can give him rehabilitation dollars, you can give him all kinds of incentives
but at least you give him the choice. This does not give him the choice. Do
you understand what I'm saying?
Ms. Meyers: I understand what you're saying but you don't understand what I'm
saying.
Mr. Plummer: I understand the answer, I don't understand the question.
Ms. Meyers: We are going to make available all those incentives and we have
to have an ordinance to make them possible. We're also saying that you have
the final decision on whether to control or not to control....
Mr. Plummer: Not under the proposed Metro ordinance we don't.
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Ms. Meyers: Yes, you do.
Mr. Plummer: I'm sorry. The final authority in that ordinance lays with a
board created by Metro, not by us.
Ms. Meyers: No, you're mistaken.
Mr. Plummer: Have they amended it again?
Ms. Meyers: No, you're mistaken from the beginning about that point. The
City of Miami creates its own ordinance and its own board.
Mr. Plummer: Correct, relating to its ordinance but Metro will create the
board for Dade County.
Ms. Meyers: Which has absolutely no powers within a municipality who opts
to have their ordinance.
Mr. Plummer: As to the municipalities' ordinance, but it will have every
effect of law as it relates to minimum standards.
Mayor Ferre: But under law, J. L., they're entitled to that just like they are
in other things and I don't have any problems with that, I mean you go ahead
and finish your comments, I'd like to make.....
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, you're right, they have every power to pass an ordin-
ance, whatever it is that they want to pass but I think that Metro is saying -
to us they would like our input. That is the only reason I'm arguing.
Mayor Ferre: That's correct.
Mr. Plummer: That's the only reason I'm arguing. My criticism is that this -
thing has allowed to pass to this point and the next meeting that this is going
to be voted on is on the 17th and we have not really had any input.
Mayor Ferre: Well, Okay, let me put my two cents worth. I went the other day
to a meeting of the Historical Society in which this item was obviously the
main thrust of discussion.
ttayor Ferre:And I think you've had valid point and I think I've maybe 1 or 2 valid points
and I want you to listen to them. We don't have that much history in Miami.
You're talking about within the City that have been identified a dozen, a maxi-
mum of two dozen areas. You're talking about Vizcaya and you're talking - at
the present - but you know we had something to say about that. We're talking
about the Miami Women's Club and the Pagoda and you know, we know the areas that
we're talking about. Now, I've read this very carefully, I've discussed it with
Ruth Shack, I went to the meeting, I took it upon myself to talk to the federal
and the state people on it, I think there are plenty of safeguards. It is
to take property away without just compensation, I think that the
Heritage Conservation Board has all kinds of safeguards. I think the moratorium
provisions and the other things including detailed regulations and the interiors
and all of the different aspects of definition and appropriateness and the pub-
lic notices and the heritage aspects of this are very carefully worked out. I
understand that, and I think the legal aspects of this, of the civil remedies,
not to take place a criminal prosecution and the aspects as it refers to zoning
and planning, there has been a lot of very very careful and heavy work done on
this. Now, I'm not saying that all the answers are forthcoming but I do feel
that we have precious little to preserve in this City - precious little. This
community really has only been around this century. I have a picture in my
office of the tents that were here in 1896 which was the First Tent City that
we had and people used to live in tents not too far from where we are now be-
cause there was no housing. That's 1896. And so we're talking about this cen-
tury and what we have is very very little and I think we've got to walk an
extra mile to really put some very stringent safeguards. I don't think with
the exception of maybe one or two that any of the property owners would be up-
set with this. The Jesuit Church I'm sure the Archbishop and the Jesuit fathers
have no intention, and even if they did tear that down they can do it. there
are ways in which that can be done and I'm not saying, they can't be precluded
from their Constitutional rights anymore than you can I can. So I think we
shouldn't make a mountain out of a molehill, I understand your concerns and I
think they are valid concerns, I would recommend that you take the time with a
lawyer, and I think you ought to, Ms. Meyers, if you don't mind my recommending,
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I think you oug'it to get the legal drafter of this and make an appointment
with Commission.!r Plummer. Come sit down with a lawyer and explain the Con-
stitutional, hi: concerns so that he understands that these things have been
discussed and th,,t they are properly covered. And frankly, you know, it is
partly his fault Out it is mostly your fault for not having, you know what
his concerns are and if you haven't gotten to him to explain those concerns
then frankly I look upon you as being the responsible party not him.
Mr. Plummer: Are you finished, Mr. Mayor?
Mayor Ferre: I am.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I don't think it was by accident, I think it was by
design. Look at the examples they give, they are basically tax free examples
and nobody, as I agree with you, Mr. Mayor, my church which is Jesuit Church
swum a river to get declared. Vizcaya - tax free, that's not private owner-
ship. I'm not speaking to those areas that are held in public, I'm not speak-
ing to that at all. I'm speaking to the right of the little man and his right
of ownership. I'm not speaking to•those that are tax free, I'm not really
concerned because they are owned by the public and should be. I nope I've
made myself clear.
Mayor Ferre: All right, what is it you need from this Commission at this
point if anything?
Ms. Meyers: Nothing specifically today, at the next meeting the interim ordin-
ance will be before you.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, thank you very much. In the interim period I would recom-
mend, Ms. Meyers, that you do a lot of homework. And that means knocking on
doors and you may have to sit and wait. You know I'm busy and Carollo is busy
and Lacasa and Plummer, you may have to go out to the funeral home and sit
there and wait for him but my advice is that you do that and take with you the
people that can answer sorle of these pertinent questions otherwise I don't
think you're going to get a vote on this. Okay? All right.
.tote for record: A,',,enda. Items! "i:" was withdrax.m.
9. SECOND READING ORDINANCE: PROHIBIT LOITERING
OR PROWLING.
Mayor Ferre: Does anybody have any problems with Item 5B?
Mr. Carollo: Yes, Mr. Mayor, I think I made myself clear on this before so
there's no problem on that unless there are any other objections.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Plummer or Lacasa, do you guys have any objections
to Item 5b?
Mr. Plummer: What were Joe's comments?
Mayor Ferre: He made himself clear before and he objects to it.
Mr. Plummer: Oh Okay, I have no problem, Mr. Mayor.
NL,yr.r Ferre: All right, is there a motion on this?
Mr. Lar_-asa: I move it.
Mayor Ferre: Is there a second?
Mr. Plummer: Yes.
Mayor Ferre: Further discussion? All right, Mead the ordinance.
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AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE PROHIBITING ANY PERSON FROM LOITERING OR
PROWLING IN A PLACE, AT A TIME OR IN A MANNER NOT USUAL
FOR LAW ABIDING INDIVIDUALS, UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES THAT
WARRANT A JUSTIFIABLE AND REASONABLE ALARM OR IMMEDIATE
CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY OF PERSONS OR PROPERTY IN THE
VICINITY; PROVIDING FOR PENALTIES; CONTAINING DEFINITIONS;
CONTAINING A REPEALER PROVISION AND A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.
Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of January 22, was
taken up for its second and final reading by title and adoption. On
motion of Commissioner Lacasa, seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the
Ordinance was thereupon given its second and final reading by title and
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES:
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: Commissioner Joe Carollo.
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodore R. Gibson.
THE ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO. 9240.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and announced
that copies were available to the members of the City Commission and to the
public.
10. SECOND READING ORDINANCE: PROHIBIT OBSTRUCTION OF
FREE PASSAGE ALONG STREETS OR SIDEWALKS.
Mayor Ferre: Take up 5C. I would assume, Mr. Carollo, that you want to make
the same objections on the record?
Mr. Carollo: Certainly, Mayor.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE PROHIBITING THE OBSTRUCTION OF FREE PASSAGE
OVER, ON, OR AL014G STREETS OR SIDEWALKS AFTER REQUEST BY
A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO CEASE SUCH OBSTRUCTING; FUR-
THER PROVIDING FOR PENALTIES; CONTAINING A REPEALER PROVI-
SION AND A SEVERABILITZ CLAUSE.
Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of January 22, was
taken up for its second and final reading by title and adoption. On motion of
Commissioner Lacasa, seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the Ordinance was
thereupon given its second and final reading by title and passed and adopted
by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: Commissioner Joe Carollo.
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodore R. Gibson.
THE ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO. 9241.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and announced
that copies were available to the members of the City Commission and to the
public.
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11. DISCUSSION ITEM: CREATION OF MIAMI AUDIT
ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
Mayor Ferre: Do you have any problem with 8?
Mr. Carollo: This is an advisory committee, as far as an advisory committee
I have no problem with it but if we're to create a new committee that is going
to be paid and we're going to dump money into it that's where the difference
lies.
Mayor Ferre: Are we paying it?
Mr. Fosmoen: No, sir, this committee tracks what is happening in the private
sector in terms of getting highly qualified professionals on a voluntary basis
to work with the City in its audits.
Mayor Ferre: All right, is there a motion on Item S, Miami Audit Advisory Com-
mittee?
Mr. Plummer: Oh yes, very definitely I make the motion, Mr. Mayor, I think
that this is part of the proposal of the Finance Department, I would hope that
what is being proposed could be accomplished. I have some questions and reserva-
tions but I think if a good educational thing goes forward I think we could, in
fact, get auditors and lawyers who are dedicated to this City who would serve
on such a board without compensation as an advisory group, I'm all in favor of
it.
Mr. Carollo: How many people are we talking about having on this committee?
Mr. Fosmoen: Five, one Commissioner, one representative from the Manager's
Office and three appointed by the Commission.
Mr. Carollo: Three citizens at large. The only requirement that I would like
to see possibly included in this motion is that the three citizens at large be
residents of the City of Miami. I'm getting a little disappointed in seeing
time and time again that we have scores of committees and we end up with the
majority of the people in those committees that are making poor decisions that
are going to affect the lives and the future of the City of Miami, not being
residents of the City of Miami.
Mr. Fosmoen: The ordinance does provide for that, sir, three resident citi-
zens of the City of Miami.
Mayor Ferre: They have to be residents?
Mr. Fosmoen: Resident citizens of the City of Miami.
Mr. Carollo: In other words, Mr. Mayor, that the same requirements that we
have for our Zoning and Planning Boards.
Mayot Ferre: Okay, I'll tell you what my concern is with that. You know
we're not talking about something that - these three citizens that we're going
to be putting on this board, that is a highly specialized field. I doubt very
much if we're going to want to put lawyers or with all due respects architects,
preachers or even business people on that. I think we need people that know
what an audit process is who have dealt with it who can really look over the
shoulder so to speak and be an advisor to.... I don't know how many accountants
and people who know about auditing or professional people. Now some of them
live in Bay Point and some of them live along the bay in Coconut Grove but I
would imagine that 95% of the people of our market that we would want probably
live in the outlying areas of the community and what we're going to end up
doing in this particular case is just like policemen, that is we're going to
restrict ourselves to the point that we're going to cut off an awfully lot of
people that we may want in an audit committee. I'm willing to try it for a
bit but I'll tell you my guess is that we're going to end up doing the same
thing we did with the police recruiting effort.
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, I respect your opinion on that but the point being is
that with the recruitment of police officers we're talking about something
that there is the difference of night and day. We're talking about having to
recruit several hundred individuals whereas in these boards we're talking
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of a very limited amount of people and my God, if we can't find three quali-
fied individuals for this board or five or six or seven for other boards I
think the City of Miami is in serious problems.
Mayor Ferre: Well, we have serious problems as you know.
Mr. Carollo: Well, but worse than what we have because if our City does not
have enough qualified people of that nature that live within our City we're
in bad shape.
Mayor Ferre: I'm not going to argue with that, Joe, and I'm going to vote
with the motion with that restriction in it. I'm just putting out a practical,
if God forbid tomorrow somebody would come to me and tell me that your daughter
or your daughter needed open heart surgery and somebody said that the guy who
was the most specialized person who knew the most about that type of surgery
was in Houston don't tell me that you would insist that she be operated on at
Miami Heart Institute, I wouldn't. And the point I'm trying to make to you is
yes, I think there are enough auditors who live in Miami that we can probably
go to but I think what in effect we're doing is from a universe of several
hundred qualified people that we could probably select we're maybe coming down
to maybe 10 or 15 or 20 and I'm willing to try it, I'm just saying that I
think we may have trouble with it.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, can I offer something maybe to satisfy both of you?
I don't know that I can but I'll try. Is that we insert the wording that first
priority be given to City residents. Okay? Joe, I don't know if that is
a compromise tc, you or not.
Mr. Carollo: J. L., I know you're trying to reach a compromise and I appreciate
that but it isn't enough for me. What I want is Miami to be for the Miamians and
I just brought this out now because it's another committee that we have to appoint
people on but we have scores of committees that we have the same problem in.
In fact, the majority of the people on the committees don't live in our City.
Mr. Plummer: Okay. Joe, I'm sure that if it doesn't work out that you would be
amenable once it is demonstrated, the unavailability of the boundary that you
would change if it is proven....
Mr. Carollo: If it came to that fine, I'm going to be reasonable but the point
being is that I think we have to go a little further than that and not just go
on the basis of people that we might know but go on the basis of really trying
to find people, and maybe none of us know, but can be professionals that would
do a good job on this committee or any other committee.
Mayor Ferre: Look, this is precisely the point and I don't want to start -
this is my idea, I'm the guy that came up with this thing again two years
ago. It has taken two years to get this thing off the ground. This is some-
thing that is long long overdue. Now I don't mind leaving the restriction of
City of Miami residency, I'm willing to try that for a while. This is not a
political patronage thing. If we look upon this as political patronage we'll
kill it. You're talking about a very sophisticated complicated process, people
have to be trained for this. Anyway, I think there is no political patronage
in being on the Audit Advisory Committee.
Mr. Plummer: It is a job.
Mayor Ferre: It is a burden. I think you'll find that most people won't want
any part of it, it is going to really be a sacrifice for somebody to serve on
an Audit Committee. It is a thankless task and I think that what we're going
to find is we're really going to start limiting ourselves and it is going to
cramp the quality of what progress we're trying to make. Now, I think eventually
what we ought to really think about, Mr. Manager, is to do the same thing that
we do with other boards like the DDA which is to say, Howard, those who live
in Miami or who work in Miami. Now, we do that, for example, in other boards
and I think that if you've got a CPA or an accountant or a financial vice-
president of Sears Roebuck who we can snooker into volunteeering which is going
to be hard and the guy lives in Coco Plum and works in Downtown Miami we're
going to be damned lucky to get him. I think we ought to expand it to that.
So I would recommend, if it is acceptable to the majority of the board here
that we expand it to those who live or who have their principle residence or
principle workshop or place of work or whatever you want to call it. Howard?
Mr. Howard Gary: You know, we've deferred this one time and I think it is
very important for the financial well-being of the City. As a compromise, what
I would suggest is that we keep the residency initially and if we can't get
sufficient applicants at that time that we come back to the City Commission.
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Mr. Plummer: You know, when I said it it was rejected, why when you say it
is it going to be accepted? It's exactly what I said.
Mr. Carollo: Well, I think what he is saying is different, a slight differ-
ence in the way he's wording it. He is saying that we're going to go strict-
ly that they have to be residents in the meantime, if we find out that that
can't be the case then they'll come back to us and we'll change it. I'm sure
that we just give a little effort to it then we'll find three people that are
qualified that will live in the City of Miami.
Mr. Plummer: But the bottom line is we want the best three people we can get.
Hopefully those people will live and work in the City. Now, you know,.....
Mayor Ferre: All right, we'll come back to this item because obviously this
is a little bit controversial and we'll have to come back to it.
12. FIRST READING ORDINANCE: PRE DEVELOPMENT COSTS
FOR PROPOSED WATSON ISLAND MARINAS.
Mr. Fosmoen: Mr. Mayor, the Commission has directed us to move forward as
quickly as possible in the development of marinas on Watson Island. This
would provide a budget .o prepare the necessary plans to take us to a point
where we're in a position to issue bonds for the construction of marinas on
Watson Island. They would be revenue bonds.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I have some serious problems with this but out of
courtesy to my fellow Commissioner and the opportunity to get further inform-
ation I am only willing to vote today on the First Reading and the Second Read-
ing be in 30 days but for the time frame so we don't lose anything I am will-
ing to move on First Reading only.
Mayor Ferre: So it will come up again in 30 days, right?
Mr. Plummer: Mr.. Mayor, I have no problem on the 26th of it coming up for sec-
ond reading as long as the problems that I have that the administration or some-
one comes and talks to me about it.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 1 OF ORDINANCE NO. 9199,
THE CITY'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT APPROPRIATIONS ORDINANCE
FOR FISCAL YEAR 1980-81, AS AMENDED; BY AMENDING SUB-
SECTION IX, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, TO ESTABLISH FUND-
ING IN THE AMOUNT OF $150,000 AS A LOAN TO THE WATSON
ISLAND DEVELOPMENT (ITEM IX.B. (i)(10) FROM PROCEEDS OF
THE INTERAMA LAND SALE; FOR PRE -DEVELOPMENT COSTS FOR
PROPOSED WATSON ISLAND MARINAS; CONTAINING A REPEALER
PROVISION AND A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.
Was introduced by Commissioner Plummer and seconded by Commissioner Lacasa
and passed on its fic.�t reading by title by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: Commissioner Joe Carollo.
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodore R. Gibson,
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13. AUTHORIZE USE OF ADDITIONAL $205,000 G. 0. HOUSING
BONDS - 4 SECTION 8 PROJECTS.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Carollo, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-79
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE USE OF AN ADDITIONAL $205,000
IN GENERAL OBLIGATION HOUSING BONDS TO BE USED AS A CAPITAL
CONTRIBUTION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF' FOUR SECTION 8 PROJECTS
IN THE CITY OF MIAMI, DESIGNATED DADE B-1 (WYNWOOD), DADE
8-3 (COCONUT GROVE), DADE B-11 (LITTLE HAVANA), AND DADE
8-12 (TOWNPARK). SAID PROJECTS ARE PURSUANT TO THE BASIC
AGREEMENT FOR FINANCING HOUSING IN THE CITY OF MIAMI, DATED
JULY 19, 1976, AS AMENDED, AND MAKING CERTAIN DETERMINATIONS
WITH REGARD TO SAID HOUSING PROJECTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SAID
BASIC AGREEMENT.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodore R. Gibson.
14. TRA'4SFER $1,300 F.'?.S.F. TO FIRST UNITED METHODIST
CHURCH, INC.
The following resolution was introduced by Com,;nissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-80
A RESOLUTION TRANSFERRING $1,300 OF FY'80-81 FEDERAL REVENUE
SHARING FUNDS TO THE FIRST U14ITED METHODIST CHURCH OF MIAMI,
INC., INCREASING THE AGENCY'S ALLOCATION FROM $9,358 TO $10,658
FOR THE PERIOD OCTOBER 1, 1980- SEPTEMBER 30, 1981; FURTHER
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO AMEND THE EXISTING SUBCONTRACT
WITH SAID AGENCY.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
Absent; Vice -Mayor Theodore Gibson.
NOTE FOR RECORD: AGENDA ITEM 13 was deferred.
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Note for Record: Agenda Item 14 was withdrawn by the City Manager.
15. ACCEPT GRANT: TRADE FAIR OF THE AMERICAS
IMPOP.T/EXPORT - 81.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-81
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ACCEPT GRANTS
FOR THE PROJECT ENTITLED "TRADE FAIR OF THE AMERICAS-IMPORT/
EXPORT '81" FROM THE U. S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, STATE OF
FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND METROPOLITAN DADE COUNTY;
FURTHER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY
AGREEMENTS TO IMPLEMENT SAID GRANTS.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plumper the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodore R. Gibson.
16. APPROVE & CONFIRM CITY MANAGER'S ACTION: PURCHASE
OF 2 - 90 GALLON GAS FUELED WATER HEATERS FOR
MIAMI BASEBALL STADIUM.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-82
A RESOLUTION APPROVING, CONFIRMING AND RATIFYING THE CITY
MANAGER'S ACTION IN AUTHORIZING THE EMERGENCY PURCHASE OF
2 NINETY GALLON GAS FUELED WATER HEATERS TO BE INSTALLED AT
THE MIAMI BASEBALL STADIUM, WITH FUNDS ALLOCATED FROM THE
1980-81 OPERATING BUDGET OF THE DEPARTMENT OF BUILDING AND
VEHICLE MAINTENANCE IN THE AMOUNT OF $9,920.00.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodore R. Gibson.
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17. WAIVE REQUIREMENT FOR FORMAL BID: 34 RECORDER
COUPLERS FOP. MIAMI POLICE DEP.ARTtiIENT.
Mr. Carollo: Can I ask the City Manager or any member of the Police Depart-
ment just what theme 34 recorder couplers are going to be used for?
Mr. Plummer: Joe, if you will take a non -policeman I can tell you what they
are.
Mr. Carollo: Well no, you have experience in the field, Honorary Police Chief,
I'm teasing, J. L.
Mr. Plummer: Acting Police Chief, •t'emporary and acting. Kenny just jumped
out of the building. Joe, what these are for is the calls come in, all tele-
phone calls received in the complaint room are recorded, all dispatching is
recorded and that is what this is for, this is to replace the old equipment.
Mr. Carollo: That type of coupler, Okay.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-83
A RESOLUTION WAIVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR FOP-MAL SEALED BIDS
FOR FURNISHING 34 RECORDER COUPLERS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF
POLICE; AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE FROM ATLANTIC TELECOMMUNI-
CATIONS, INC. THE ONLY KNOWN SUPPLIER; AT A TOTAL COST OF
$9,000.00; ALLOCAT114G FUNDS FROM PRIOR YEAR ENCUMBRANCES IN
THE AMOUNT OF $2,640.00 AND FROI.1 THE 1960-81 CAPITAL EQUIP-
MENT BUDGET OF THE DEPARTMENT OF POLICE IN THE AMOUNT OF
$6,360.00; AUTHORIZING THE CITY MM,.AGER AND THE PURCHASING
AGENT TO ISSUE THE PURCHASE ORDER FOR THIS EQUIPMENT.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodore R. Gibson.
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18. DISCUSSION ITEM: PARKING EMERGENCY IN DOWNTOWN
MIAMI.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, would you entertain at this point that it is my feel-
ing that 19 A, there is no reason to talk to Gibson at this point, I don't
think it is going to pass is my feeling.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, in other words you think that nobody wants to have any
parking on Watson Island?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I for one am of that belief. Okay? And from what I
have read in the newspapers other Commissioners expressing their opinion, I
have the feeling that that matter is not going to pass.
Mayor Ferre: Well, do you want to discuss it or not?
Mr. Plummer: I have already discussed it at great length with Mr. Kenzie and
Mr. Gould and a number of other interested people.
Mayor Ferre: Well, what does Gould have to do with it?
Mr. Plummer: Well, because not this one but the companion of re -doing the
bandshell is very critical to Mr. Gould.
Mayor Ferre: Oh, I see what you mean. Okay, and what you're saying is....
Mr. Plummer: The philosophy is, Mr. Mayor, very simple, my bottom line is
I am opposed, very very much so to spending a million dollars an acre and
put parking in a park. Now I'm very much opposed to that. Okay?
Mayor Ferre: Plummer, let me just give you a little kind of argument on
this and this was not my idea so I have no pride of authorship on this one
as I did on some of these other things. I want to tell you that right now
the crisis of parking in downtown Miami is unbelievable. I don't go to down-
town Miami anymore if I can avoid it. I think unless we find some except-
ional ways of solving the problem, now, what are the exceptional ways? (1)
That we go to the Orange Bowl and park cars there - that's a 15 minute ride,
nobody is going to do that. (2) That we allow parking on vacant properties
that don't have proper lighting and gates - you're the first one that's
opposed to that, I'm for it, I've got no problems with that. But you don't
want to do that so that's (2), you don't want to do that either. Okay. Now,
that I know of there is no other solution. There is a need for several
thousand parking spaces in Miami, there is no other place. I've got news
for you, as far as I'm concerned if we've got to park cars in the park for
the next two years I'm sorry but I'd rather have cars parked in the park
rather than the use that it presently has of winos and everything else.
And you know that I'm for Watson Island, the development of it and this isn't
necessarily good for that but, by God, if that solves the problem you're going
to have several thousand construction workers, where are they going to park?
Where are these people going to park? These are working people who have to
get up at 5 O'Clock in the morning, they get up and they get to the job site
at a quarter of seven, the whistle blows at seven, where are they going to
park? You know, and they can't afford to pay $4 a day to a park or $5 or
whatever it costs. So you know, we've got to do something.
Mr. Plummer: Are you finished, Mr. Mayor? Mr. Mayor, where I have disagree-
ment with your statement is very simple, that is not the only areas. Okay?
For example, maybe I shouldn't say this, it would cost him more money but let
me give you an example I gave to Mr. Gould. Let's remember that the proposal
for the band shell at best is only for 300 cars. Mr. Gould is indicating he
will have 5,000 employees, construction people working there. So it doesn't
even begin to address the problem.
Mayor Ferre: I'm more concerned about Watson Island, J. L., than I am about
the park.
Mr. Plummer: All right, I'm speaking to both because the philosophy of using
a park for parking is what I'm opposed to, Mr. Mayor. Let me get back to what
I suggested to Mr. Gould. Claughton Island is right across from him. For the
next two years they are only proposing to utilize and construct on 50%. Set
up a tram, he can make arrangements to se or whatever and they can park
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4,000 cars on the unused portion of Claughton island with a tram or a boat
or whatever. You know, there are other areas is what I'm saying. Mr. Mayor,
back when the Orange Bowl was park and ride it was not successful but today
times have changed. There are going to be 4,000 less parking spaces downtown.
Let me tell you my bottom fear. My bottom fear is a philosophy that exists
around City Hall for 11 years that I've been here - there is nothing more
permanent than a temporary situation. Mr. Mayor, the day that that bandshell
and Watson Island are turned into parking areas it will never be reversed.
There is nothing more permanent around here than something temporary. I'm
sorry, I am opposed, I should use your statement and I should go to that pod-
ium that I'll never forget in 1967 watching Maurice Ferre in all of his
eloquent glory - "Parks are for people, not for pigeons" and I include auto-
mobiles.
Mr. Carollo: Dick, you're not taking that personally are you?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I'm opposed, I agree with you something has got to be
done, government has to address the problem but to utilize my parks I'm very
much opposed to. I think, my personal opinion, if the park and ride of the
Orange Bowl were to be revived today it would meet with a much greater success
because the things have changed. There are now going to be less parking places
and people if they have the opportunity to park in the Orange Bowl for a buck
or fight the downtown problem for 5 to 6 bucks, I think we're talking about
economics today, people are going to realize that.
Mayor Ferre: All right.
Mr. Roy Kenzie: I won't go through all of this, are you taking this as a dis-
cussion item now or are we just going to....
Mayor Ferre: Well, Plummer says defer it because you don't have the votes and
I think before we come to that conclusion we ought to discuss it a little.
Mr. Kenzie: Let me then just start right from the beginning and go through it
quickly. As everyone on the Commission and in this room or anyone who has been
downtown knows, we have a serious problem with parking, we don't have any park-
ing spaces downtown. The Chamber of Commerce, the New World Center Action Com-
mittee, the Downtown Miami Business Association, the Development Authority, the
City administration, the Commission, the Off -Street Parking Authority and the
Downtown C. D. Task Force have all made efforts to try and solve that problem
in many different ways. The City and the proposed construction of several gar-
ages, one by the Off -Street Parking Authority which is underway now and several
which will be under way and under construction and completed in a couple of
years. We have some long term solutions to parking that are underway in Govern-
ment Center, the Trade Center Garage, The Core Area West Proposal, the Omni Pro-
posal and the Off -Street Parking garage that is underway. Also the People Mover,
Rapid Transit and other approaches to solve the problem two, three and four
years from now. What we don't have is a good solution to solve the problem in
the next two years which are the really critical years. Tony Alonso, I think
he left but he was here a minute ago, he said that he spent recently about
$1,400 advertising a sale for his customers and half the customers didn't come
because there was no parking downtown and the other half who came when the got
to the store said they would never come back because they couldn't find a park-
ing space downtown. We are losing retail customers because we don't have
spaces for them to park in. We are losing spaces downtown every day with new
projects under construction. When we closed Ball Point we lost 650 parking
spaces. When we close the 4 blocks in DuPont Plaza we'll lose another 1,300
parking spaces. There is no place downtown that they can land in the core
area of downtown that we can replace those spaces. The land is just not there.
The City Commission recently revised the ordinance dealing with vacant land
conversion to parking but there just isn't that much land to convert. In
looking around to try to solve the problem, there are not too many solutions
to solving the problem. You could (1), you could land bank, you could go out
and buy some land now and say in the Park West Area and bank it and use it for
parking in the short term and then convert that into development but that takes
time to do that and it takes money. The second approach is some kind of shuttle
bus from a peripheral parking lot to the downtown area. Now, looking around at
where are potentials for a shuttle bus we look at the Orange Bowl, number one,
to the Orange Bowl Shuttle we had before, they didn't work before. Sure, the
economic conditions are different now and it costs a lot more to park downtown
but in terms of accessibility and in terms of security at the Orange Bowl, in
comparison to other alternatives that we looked at it didn't stack up the same
as Watson Island. In terms of Claughton Island the City Commission in the
development order for Claughton Island set a limitation on the number of cars
that can cross that bridge at 800 during the peak hours. We have also a ser-
ious traffic situation which is increasing every day on Brickeli at the present
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time. If we pump another 800 cars to 1,000 cars trying to get to parking
spaces on Claughton Island on Brickell that is already congested in that
area of 7th and Sth we're going to have serious problems both in the cars
trying to get there and the cars trying to get off and we will exceed the
limitation set.
Mayor Ferre: Roy, I sense that the votes aren't here from what Plummer...
Mr. Kenzie: Okay, let me just, I want to bring the Commission that the down-
town Miami Business Association, the Board of Directors of the Downtown Develop-
ment Authority, the Downtown Community Development Task Force have all expressed
concern over the parking problems and suggested that the Commission at least
authorize the City administration to work with other groups in looking at Watson
Island as a possibility to solve that problem.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, you've got one vote, you've got my vote, now you go around
and find two votes.
Mr. Kenzie: Yes. And secondly, that the situation at this point in time is
severe enough downtown to declare a parking emergency exists in the downtown
area.
Mayor Ferre: You've got my vote again but I don't think you have others so
you'd better go get some more votes.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Kenzie, I share with the groups that you represent the con-
cern of the acute problem. All right, sir? I am simply amazed at the lack of
alternatives, it is this or it is nothing because that's not the answer. Mr.
Kenzie, I would suggest, sir, that since it is an emergency, we both agree on
that, that, for example, alternatives could be in my estimation derived that
you go to the Park West where people are paying taxes on dilapidated buildings
and work out a negotiated lease with them that we waive their taxes if we can
use the property for parking on a temporary year basis or two. All I'm saying
to you, Mr. Kenzie, develop some alternatives. Times are different.
Mr. Kenzie: Commissioner, it is a question of time, whether we want to spend
six months or eight months trying to find a solution or whether we want to find
one in the next two months.
Mr. Plummer: No, because you're wrong. Even the way the administration moves,
sir, if everything was agreed today it would not be ready in two months.
Mr. Kenzie: There are spaces over there now and paved areas on Watson Island
along the southern edge that could be used for parking tomorrow.
Mr. Plummer: I'm just saying I hope that this will not be a negative response
to you that I hope this will be a positive response to go back and work harder
and come up with more alternatives.
Mr. Kenzie: We have spent now six months to eight months trying to find some
solutions to that problem, we'll go back and look some more.
Mr. Plummer: Thank you.
Mayor Ferre: Well, this isn't over, this isn't over. You know, this has not
been brought up for a vote so we'll just keep on plugging and in the meantime
this is just being deferred.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, when we defer 19A are we also deferring on the agenda
Item F?
Mayor Ferre: I would imagine that one goes with the other, doesn't it?
Mr. Plummer: All right, sir, I agree. Some of the media have asked if we were
going to take up "F" today and the answer was I thought we were.
Mayor Ferre: unless Mr. Fosmoen comes back and says he thinks he has three
votes on Item "F" - he's got one - if you can get two more votes then you bring
it back otherwise you're just wasting your time. So let those who don't want
to go along with this find solutions and come back with them that are good
viable strong solutions or assume the responsibility of not letting the City
choke on itself on transportation.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I take exception with that statement. I want to tell
you something, I take serious exception to that statement.
Mayor Ferre: Well, I put the
Mr. Carollo: Gentlemen, come on now.
Mr. Plummer: That's fine, you lay the challenge on me and I'll tell you by
my past history that I'm willing to help but let me tell you something. When
I'm paying people 60 and $65,000 a year to do that work don't lay the burden on
me. Now, if that's the case, I'll tell you what, I'll do it tomorrow for noth-
ing but baby, I want to tell you something I'm going to be here at the next
meeting and we're going to get rid of some of that $65,000 help.
Mayor Ferre: Roy Kenzie and the Off -Street Parking Authority and the staff
here have come up with the backing, and I see one of the merchants here and
Tonv had to leave but there seems to be unanimity, I see Tom Post here.
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Mayor Ferre:(cont'd): Everybody has put an enormous amount of effort and time
and work. They've come back with what they think is a viable solution to this
problem. Everybody , let me finish, everybody. Now, this Commission
doesn't want to accept the finding. Now, it seems to me that after the staff
has done all this work and the DDA and the Off -Street Parking Authority and
everybody who has been involved, and you objected, then you come up with an
alternate.
Mr. Plummer: I'll tell you what the alternate is, to get a staff who knows
what this Commission will do on three votes.
Mayor Ferre: And change the DDA, and change the Off -Street Parking Authority...
Mr. Plummer: I'm not saying any of that, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: ...and change all the merchants and everybody who spent 6 months
working hard on this. Not 6 months, it goes back two years that Mr. Herschel
what's his name?..over at the bank started...
Mr. Plummer: Herschel Rosenthal, a very dear friend.
Mayor Ferre: Rosenthal, he started this two years ago, and we've been beating
around the bush, and beating around the bush...
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Herschel Rosenthal did not, in his conversation with me,
say -let's use Watson Island, okay? All I'm saying to you, Mr. Mayor, is if
we have staff -and I'm not saying where it is- but if we've got staff that
can't do a job that's acceptable to three Commission votes here, then let's
get rid of the staff. You know, I'm saying that. Now, I'm saying round 1 is
over, we rejected, or possibly rejected that offer. I think it behooves staff
I get $5,000, they get $60,000, now, let them go back and understand that
round 1 is over, and come up with the next alternative.
Mr. Lacasa: Roy, how many cars did you say that we can accommodate in Watson
Island?
Mr. Roy Kenzie: You can stage..we looked at the first lot, it would be be-
tween 600 and 1,000 cars on the part of the Island that is not occupied by
anything else or park. It could be expanded if you utilized a large portion
of Watson Island up to 2,500 to 3,000, that's the maximum.
Mr. Lacasa: And do you have any study about what impact that will create on
the traffic from the Causeway.
Mr. Kenzie: Well, the Causeway certainly can handle ... one of the reasons why
we chose the Island over other areas was its accessibility by major express-
ways, and the McArthur Causeway certainly isn't used to capacity and could
handle those additional cars.
Mr. Lacasa: Why is the alternative of using the Island better than to use
the Orange Bowl? Because the distance from the Orange Bowl to the Island
is about the same....
Mr. Kenzie: The question though, is the question of accessibility to the
Orange Bowl by major arterials and also the question of security of the cars
when they are in the area during the day.
Mr. Lacasa: I wonder why because the security of the cars could be taken care
of in the same way at Watson Island as in the Orange Bowl, and as far as the
accessibility the Orange Bowl is rather accessible, we have the 836 right
there.
Mr. Kenzie: Well, we've had experience of bus shuttles before in the Orange
Bowl area and in our discussions with the Transportation Administration on
various proposals are trying to solve the problem, and we centered on Watson
Island over the Orange Bowl for a number of reasons. Bus routing in ...there
are five routes across the Island now that could be. utilized during the day
to carry passengers throughout the same number of routes. We've had to create
new routes in the Orange Bowl area beyond the shuttle, it's a question of cost,
it's a question of the number of bus routes, it's a question of security and
a question of accessibility.
Mr. Lacasa: Same thing, in my view, that the same situation you will have at
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Watson Island, you will have to have the same shuttles. The distance is
about the same, the Orange Bowl is there, the Orange Bowl is not being
used, it is already paid in the parking areas, so quite frankly, I still
fail to see what is the difference between the Orange Bowl and Watson Island
is. What I do see is, here again is the problem with Watson Island. Watson
Island is a recreational facility now and the same questions that are being
discussed in connection to the development of Watson Island into even a
larger recreational facility are going to be erased now when they are trying
to convert a prime property for recreational purposes on the Bay into a parking
area, and I do believe what Plummer says, once we do it, this is not going
to be temporary unless something else is developed in Watson Island, you will
see that parking area there, and what is even worse, you will see that parking
area expanding because... let's be practical about it. We will start with so
many cars and it will work to a certain extent, it it does work, we will add
so many more rows, and so many more rows, and before you say it you will have
the whole Watson Island converted into a big parking place.
Mr. Kenzie: Well, the only reason that parking would continue in Watson
Island is if the Commission allowed it to continue, because the Commission
would set the time limitations on that.
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, I have a suggestion that at least is going to, I
think, motivate considerably some members of the Commission anyway, and maybe
this could be some form of a compromise. Why don't we come up with some type
of a new concept and maybe develop zondominium parking spaces in Watson Island.
Mr. Fosmoen, he's got my vote to put that to committee and look upon it....
maybe ... well, I think he heard me, quite clearly on that..
Mayor Ferre: Well., then we would end up with conversions..okay.
We now are on 19(b).
19. ACCEPT PLAT: "VENAGO SUBDIVISION".
Mayor Ferre: We are now on 19(b). Plummer moves 19(b), Carollo seconds,
further discussion, call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-84
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE PLAT ENTITLED VENAGO SUBDIVISION,
A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF MIAMI, AND ACCEPTING THE DEDICA-
TIONS SHOWN ON SAID PLAT; t,ND ACCEPTING THE COVENANT TO RUN
WITH THE LAND POSTPONING THE IMMEDIATE CONSTRUCTION OF CERTAIN
IMPROVEMENTS UNTIL REQUIRED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS,
AND AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY
CLERK TO EXECUTE THE PLAT AND PROVIDING FOR THE RECORDATION OF
SAID PLAT IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF DADE COUNTY, FLORIDA.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. NOES: Node,
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo ABSENT: None.
Vice Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. FErre
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NOTE: ITEM 20 - "Accept Bid for Work Uniforms (City-wide)" was temporarily
deferred at this point.
ITEM 21 - "Accept Bid for Automobile Rentals - Police Department"
was temporarily deferred at this point.
20. ACCEPT BID: Ammunition for Police Department
(Jones Equipment Company)
Mr.Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I move item 22.
Mr. Carollo: Second.
Mayor Ferre: There is a motion and a second on item 22, further discussion,
call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-85
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BIDS OF JONES EQUIPMENT CO., AT A
COST OF $238.99; TROPHY RELOADING AT A COST OF $25,410; MASZK'S
WORK SHOP AT A COST OF $8,831; AND 3-D INVESTMENT, INC., AT A
COST OF $5,835, FOR FURNISHING AMMUNITION ON A CONTRACT BASIS
FOR ONE YEAR TO THE DEPARTMENT OF POLICE; AT A TOTAL COST OF
$40,314.99; ALLOCATING FUNDS ?:ROM THE 1980-81 OPERATING BUDGET
OF THAT DEPARTMENT; AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE PURCHASING
AGENT TO ISSUE THE PURCHASE ORDERS FOR THESE MATERIALS.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Vice Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. FErre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: None.
21. ACCEPT BID: 33 TWEN BEACON LIGHT BARS FOR
Department of Building and Vehicle Maintenance.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-86
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF P. T. GARRETT FOR FURNISHING
33 TWIN BEACON LIGHT BARS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF BUILDING AND
VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, AT A TOTAL COST OF $18,029.35; ALLOCATING
FUNDS FROM THE 1980-81 CAPITAL EQUIPMENT BUDGET OF THE DEPART-
MENT OF POLICE; AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE PURCHASING
AGENT TO ISSUE THE PURCHASE ORDER FOR THIS EQUIPMENT.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Vice Maycr (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: None.
22. ACCEPT BID: 125 POLICE HAND GUNDS FOR -
the Miami Police Department.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Carollo,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-87
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF JONES EQUIPMENT CO. FOR
FURNISHING 125 SMITH & WESSON HAND GUNS FOR THE DEPARTMENT
OF POLICE; AT A TOTAL COST OF $14,311.25; ALLOCATING FUNDS
FROM THE 1980-81 OPERATING BUDGET OF THAT DEPARTMENT, AUTHORI-
ZING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE PURCHASING AGENT TO ISSUE THE
PURCHASE ORDER FOR THIS EQUIPMENT.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. NOES: None.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo ABSENT: None.
Vice Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. FErre
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23. ACCEPT BID: DEMOLITION OF UNSAFE STRUCTURE -
417 N.W. 7th Street.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-88
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF BEN HURWITZ, INC. FOR
FURNISHING DEMOLITION OF AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE FOR THE
DEPARTMENT OF BUILDING AND ZONING INSPECTIONS AT A TOTAL
COST OF $6,700; ALLOCATING FUNDS FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOP-
MENT 5TH YEAR BLOCK GRANT -CITY/WIDE DEMOLITION PROGRAM;
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE PURCHASING AGENT TO
ISSUE THE PURCHASE ORDER FOR THIS SERVICE.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
24. ACCEPT BID: HEALTH MAINTENANCE PROGRAM for the
Police Department.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-89
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF DR's RICHARD LOPEZ AND
- DIANE PRUETT FOR FURNISHING A HEALTH MAINTENANCE PROGRAM
ON A CONTRACT BASIS FOR ONE YEAR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF POLICE;
AT A TOTAL COST OF $22,487.11; ALLOCATING FUNDS FROM THE
FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSISTANCE ADMINISTRATION GRANT;
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT FOR THIS
SERVICE.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. NOES: None.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo ABSENT: Vice Mayor
Mayor Maurice A. FErre Rev.) T. R.
Gibson.
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25. ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK: DOWNTOWN FLAGLF.R STREET
LIGHTING 1976.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-90
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE COMPLETED WORK PERFORMED BY
BLOCK ELECTRIC, INC. AND THE FIDELITY AND DEPOSIT COMPANY
OF MARYLAND AT A TOTAL COST OF $180,640.89 FOR DOWNTOWN
FLAGLER STREET - STREET LIGHTING 0 1976; AND AUTHORIZING
FINAL PAYMENT JOINTLY TO BROCK ELECTRIC, INC. AND THE
FIDELITY AND DEPOSIT COMPANY OF MARYLAND IN THE AMOUNT
OF $18,064.09.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plununer, Jr.*
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
ON ROLL CALL:
~Mr. Plummer: The only question I have, Mr. Grimm, or Mr. Cather, did this
Company gc broke? Was this the company that went broke?
Mr. Don Cather: Yes, sir, we are settling with the bonding company.
Mr. Plummer: Oh, this is the item you called me on?
Mr. Cather: Yes, sir.
Mr. Plummer: I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor.
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The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-91
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE COMPLETED WORK PERFORMED BY
F b F CONSTRUCTION CO., INC. AND FIDELITY AND DEPOSIT
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COMPANY OF MARYLAND, THE BONDING COMPANY, AT A TOTAL COST
OF $22,819.50 FOR CENTRAL MIAMI PARK - SEATING GALLERY AND
WALKWAY STAINING 0 1978; AUTHORIZING THE ACCEPTANCE OF A
CREDIT OF $2,535.50 OFFERED BY THE BONDING COMPANY FOR WORK
NOT SATISFACTORILY COMPLETED; AND AUTHORIZING DELETION OF ANY
FINAL PAYMENT TO THE CONTRACTOR OR THE BONDING COMPANY, IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE CREDIT OFFERED.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. FErre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson.
27. ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK: FIRE STATION #14.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-92
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE COMPLETED WORK PERFORMED BY L.G.H.
CONSTRUCTION CORPORATION AT A TOTAL COST OF $839,969.00 FOR
FIRE STATION NO. 14 (2ND BIDDING); AND AUTHORIZING A FINAL
PAYMENT OF $83,996.90.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.*
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. FErre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
ON ROLL CALL:
*Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I am happy to announce that it is my understand-
ing that the items that had been deleted because of finance, which I felt
were crucial, have now been added back to the .... and the contracts have
been awarded and based upon that, Mr. Mayor, I am in accord.
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28. DESIGNATE "MIA.NtI COCONUT (,IUi ENHIBIT'IO:; CENTER- WEST
cnURTYARD ROOF" PROJECT AS CATEGORY "H", FOR COMPETITIVE
NEGOTIATION.
Mayor Ferre: Pick up 30.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I will mvoe 30 but I want to introduce another
resolution, immediately following, in relation to the same
Mayor Ferre: Is there a second?
Mr. Bob Clark: Mr. Mayor, in the Resolution which authorizes and designates
this as a category "B", the City Commission must appoint the Chair person and
the Committee.
Mr. Plummer: Fine.
Mr. Clark: The ordinance provides that the Committee itself be appointed
by the City Manager, but the Chair person is selected by the City Commission.
Mayor Ferre: We are talk:,ng about the...
Mr. Clark: Item 30.
Mr. Plummer: The Coconut Grove Exhibition Center.
Mayor Ferre: Vest Courtyard Roof Project?
Mr. Plummer: Yes, sir. That's the completion over the patio.
Mr. Clark: Otherwise, it'd just come back for the selection of the Chair
person, os if you would do it now...
Mayor Ferre: We need to designate a Chair person, for what?
Mr. Clark: For the Committee. The City Manager is going to appoint the
Committee, this is a category B.
Mayor Ferre: Well, who are the people you are going to appoint?
Mr. Fosmoen: I haven't selected them.
Mayor Ferre: We are to appoint the Chairman, is that what you need to de?
Mr. Clark: That's all I need, is a Chair person.
Mayor Ferre: You tell me who you are recommending, let's see if the Com-
mission accepts that, then we can get.....
Mr. Fosmoen: My recommendation would be Don Cather who is the Director
of Public Works, as Chair person.
Mr. Plummer: Yes.
Mr. Fosmoen: How about Vince Grimm?
Mr. Plummer: I accept.
Mayor Ferre: You accept Vince Grimm.
Mr. Fosmoen: I recommend Vince Grimm as the Chair person.
Mr. Plummer: I'm glad you see it my way.
Mr. Clark: We will amend the Resolution to provide that the person selected
by the Commission as the Chair person will be Vincent Grimm.
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Mr. Plummer: I move it, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: All right, is there a second?
Mr. Carollo: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Carollo seconds, further discussion on 30, call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-93
A RESOLUTION DESIGNATING THE MIAMI COCONUT GROVE EXHIBITION
CENTER -WEST COURTYARD ROOF PROJECT, TO BE IN CATEGORY "B"
FOR COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATION UNDER ORDINANCE NO.8965 AND
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO APPOINT A COMPETITIVE SELEC-
TION COMMITTEE.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice Mayor (Rev.) T. R. Gibson
FOLLOWING ROLL CALL:
Mr. Plummer: Now, Mr. Mayor, I'll do this in the form of a motion or how-
ever it's necessary , but Mr. Fosmoen needs to hear me. Mr. Fosmoen, I
think it is most imperative and it is doable that this matter be completed
before the first (1st) of September, and the specs so reflect the completion
date to be by the 1st of September as one of the criteria. Now, I see all
the high-priced help shaking their head. I'm reasonable, and if they
demonstrate to me that that is not possible, I will withdraw, as long as
they give me a definite, justifiable date as to completion, but, as you
know, sometimes things have a way of dragging around here. Now, you know
what I'm aiming at, I make no bones about it. The biggest show held in that
Auditorium is the boat show. They desperately need not to spend $100,000
to put a tent over that thing, if in fact we can get the work accomplished.
I'm not beyond asking those people to save them $100,000 if they make a
donation towards helping; it get accomplished. I'm not beyond that, but what
I'm saying is I don't want to be accused of foot -dragging. Now, September
1 is impossible, and if they can demonstrate that. to me, I'm reasonable, but
I hope you understand where I'm cowing from and what I'm trying to ac-
complish. I don't need a motion, Mr. Mayor.
29. ACCEPT BID:
COCONUT GROVE MINI PARK.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
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RESOLUTION NO. 81-94
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF SUNSET ENTERPRISES, INC.
IN THE PROPOSED AMOUNT OF $1219920, BASE BID PLUS ADDITIVE
ITEM "A" OF THE PROPOSAL, FOR COCONUT GROVE - MINI PARK;
ALLOCATING THE AMOUNT OF $121,920 FROM THE "3RD AND 4TH
YEARS FEDERAL COMMUNITY DEVELOP,iENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDS" TO
COVER THE CONTRACT COST; ALLOCATING FROM SAID FUND THE
AMOUNT OF $18,288 TO COVER THE COST OF PROJECT EXPENSE;
ALLOCATING FROM SAID FUND THE A.�iOUNT OF $2,438 TO COVER
THE COST OF SUCH ITEMS AS ADVERTISING, TESTING LABORATORIES,
AND POSTAGE; AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A
CONTRACT WITH SAID FIR111.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice Mayor (Rev.)T. R. Gibson
30. ACCEPT BID: "GIBSON PARK SPORTSFIELD LIGHTING"
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner (11ev.) Gibson
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-95
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF TIMCO ELECTRIC,INC. IN THE
PROPOSED AMOUNT OF $137,965, BASE BID OF THE PROPOSAL FOR
GIBSON PARK - SPORTSFIELD LIGHTING; WITH MONIES THEREFOR ALLO-
CATED FROM THE "CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND" IN THE AMOUNT OF
$137,965 TO COVER THE CONTRACT COST; ALLOCATING FROM SAID
FUND THE AMOUNT OF $15,176 TO COVER THE COST OF PROJECT EX-
PENSE; ALLOCA'liNG FROM SAID FUND THE AMOUNT OF $2,759 TO COVER
THE COST OF SUCH ITEMS AS ADVERTISING, TESTING LABORATORIES,
AND POSTAGE; ALLOCATING FROM SAID FUND THE AMOUNT OF $5,720
TO COVER THE INDIRECT COST; AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER
TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH SAID FIRM.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. NOES: None.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo ABSENT: Vice Mayor (Rev,)
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre T. R. Gibson
*NOTE: Though absent on roll call, the Commission
determined that Rev. Gibson should be shown as
the maker of the motion.
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31_. ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK:
SOLID WASTE FACILITY.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-96
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE COMPLETED WORK OF AVANT
CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, INC. AT A TOTAL COST OF
$1,046,004.67 FOR THE SOLID WASTE FACILITY; AND
AUTHORIZING A FINAL PAYMENT OF $97,404.67.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice Mayor (Rev. ) T. R. Gibson
NOTE FOR THE RECORD: AGENDA ITEM NO. 34, WAS WITHDRAWN.
32. EXECUTE ACREEMENT: BUNKER'S INC. CONCESSIONAIRE FOR
MELREESE RESTAURANT, PRO SHOP AND
DRIVING RANGE.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-97
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN
AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT WITH BUNKER"S INC., CONCESSIONAIRE
FOR THE MELREESE RESTAURANT, PRO SHOP, AND DRIVING RANGES, TO
PROVIDE ALTERATION TO THE RENTAL SUM PAYMENTS TO THE CITY FOR
THE PRO SHOP ONLY FROM FIVE PER CENT (S%) OF THE GROSS SALES
TO TEN PER CENT (10%) OF THE NET GROSS PROFIT, TO ALLOW FOR
THE INCORPORATION OF DISCOUNT GOLF SALES AT MELREESE.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution was
gassed and adopted by the following vote:
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AYtg.- Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice Mayor (Rev.) T. R. Gibson
33. APPROVE AN'!) AUTHORIZE CITY PARTICIPATION IN THE :'1ERICAN
CANCER SOCIETY GOLF CAI;I) PROGRAM (Waive I round of golf).
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-98
A RESOLUTION APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY'S PARTI-
CIPATION IN THE AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY GOLF CARD PROGRAM
BY WAIVING THE COST OF A SINGLE GREEN AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY
GOLF CARD HOLDER, DURING THE SUMMER SEASON AT THE MELREESE
GOLF COURSE AND CITY OF MIAMI COUNTRY CLUB AT MIAMI SPRINGS
UNDER CERTAIN DESCRIBED TERMS.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice Mayor (Rev.) T. R. Gibson
34. WAIVE GRIN N PEES: FOR THE "MIAMI W014EN' S r=OLF ASSOCIA-
TION" May 11, 1981 AT MIAMI SPRINGS
3ULY 22, 1981, AT Ifl=LREESE.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-99
A RESOLUTION WAIVING GREEN FEES FOR THE GREATER MIAMI WOMEN'S
GOLF ASSOCIATION ON MAY 11, 1981 AT THE CITY OF MIAMI COUNTRY
CLUB AND ON JULY 22, 1981 AT THE MELREESE GOLF COURSE AND
REQUIRING USE OF AN ELECTRIC CART BY EACH GOLFER.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
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on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution vas
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
35. APPOINTMENT: OMAR MOLINA - to City's AFFIRMATIVE
ACTION' ADVISORY BOARD.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-100
A RESOLUTION APPOINTING OMAR MOLINA TO THE CITY AFFIRMATIVE
ACTION ADVISORY BOARD AND CONFIRMING THE DESIGNATION OF SUCH
INDIVIDUAL AS BEING SELECTED BY A CERTIFIED BARGAINING REPRE-
SENTATIVE OF CITY EMPLOYEES.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein and
on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
ON ROLL CALL:
Mr. Carollo: Who is Omar Molina?
Mr. Plummer: He is the representative of the firefighters.
Mr. Carollo: Okay.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD: AGENDA ITEM No. 39 WAS DEFERRED.
36. CLAI?i SETTLE�NENT
SUSAN NEE INS.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Carollo,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-101
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO PAY TO
SUSAN NEVINS, WITHOUT THE ADMISSION OF LIABILITY, THE SUM OF
TEN THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO DOLLARS AND 80/100
($10,132.80) IN FULL AND COMPLETE SETTLEMENT OF ALL BODILY
INJURY, PERSONAL INJURY PROTECTION LIENS, AND WORKMENS COM-
PENSATION LIENS, ALL CLAIMS AND DEMANDS AGAINST THE CITY OF
MIAMI, AND UPON EXECUTION OF A RELEASE RELEASING THE CITY OF
MIAMI FROM ALL CLAIMS AND DEMANDS.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein
and on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the resolution
was passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: NONE.
ABSENT: Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
37. CLAIM SETTLEMENT- SABA DELGADO AN'D BENIGNO
DELGA1)0.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-102
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO PAY TO
SARA DELGADO AND BENIGNO DELGADO, WITHOUT THE ADMISSION OF
LIABILITY, THE SUM OF SEVEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS
($7,500.00) IN FULL AND COMPLETE SETTLEMENT OF ALL PERSONAL
INJURY CLAIMS, WORKMENS COMPENSATION LIENS, SUBROGATION CLAIMS
AND ALL OTHER CLAIMS AND DEMANDS AGAINST THE CITY OF MIAMI,
AND UPON THE EXECUTION OF A RELEASE, RELEASING THE CITY OF
MIAMI FROM ALL CLAIMS AND DEMANDS.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein
and on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution
was passed and adopted by the following vote:
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AYES. Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jt.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice Mayor (REv.) Theodore R. Gibson
37 . ] BRIEF PISCL''SSION AND TEIMPORARY DEFERMENT OF
REAPPOIi:T'•IIa:T OF RICILMRD L. FOSMOEN AS CITY MANAGER.
Mr. Plummer: t.1at about 43?
Mayor Ferre: All right, is there a motion?
Mr. Plummer: I make a motion that Mr. Fosmoen's letter of resignation
be moved to the 26th.
Mayor Ferre: You need three votes.
Mr. Plummer: Oh, you do need three votes?
Mayor Ferre: Do you want to wait for Lacasa to come back?
Mr. Carollo: Yes, I'd rather wait.
AT THIS POINT, THE HEREINABOVE ITEM WAS TEMPORARILY DEFERRED
Mayor Ferre: All right, is there anything else?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, let me ask just this question, sir. You are
realizing my problem. Is there any reason, Mr. Manager or Mr. City At-
torney, that it is critical that I return after this lunch break?
Mr. Fosmoen: Yes, sir. The Public Hearing which is scheduled for Com-
munity Development.
Mr. Plummer: At 4:00 o'clock, sir?
Mr. Fosmoen: Four o'clock.
Mr. Plummer: I will not be here, I've already announced that, sir.
Mr. Fosmoen: Oh, okay, I understood that you needed to be out of here
at a quarter of five, sir.
(INTERMIXED COMMENTS PLACED OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, what I'm saying is, if it's humanly possible...
if there is a reason and they say to me that it is critical I'll be back
here.
Mr. Fosmoen: Commissioner, there are no items left on the agenda that
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requite a four/fifths-vote. Now# all other actions of the Commission re-
quire three votes.
Mr. Plummer: A11 right, sir, then I am going to leave here with the under-
standing when I go to the dedication, when I leave there, I'm not coming
back.
Mr. Fosmoen: I'm sorry, let me retract that, item 5(a) is an Emergency
Ordinance reducing the fee for occupational licenses to $30.00 rather than
the regular $90.00 fee.
PLFIASE SEE BELOW:
33. EMERGENCY ORDINANCE: APIh.iD SECTION 31 OF THF: CITY CODE -
SPECIAL OCCUPATIONAL LICENSES DURING
FE-STIVALS AND CULTURAL EVENTS.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I move 5(a).
Mayor Ferre: This is an Emergency Ordinance and requires 4 votes. Mr.
Clark,...
Mr. Clark: Yes, sir.
Mayor Ferre: We need a legal opinion, if we pass an Emergency Ordinance
now, which requires four fifths vote, and two out of three rescind it this
afternoon, can it be reversed, out of two to three votes.
Mr. Clark: Yes.
Mayor Ferre: It can, in other words, we can get Plummer's vote and then,
if it hasn't been worked out with Theodore Gibson, then we would rescind it
at that time. Now, if anybody here has an objection....it's dead anyway
on an emergency basis, so speak up. Okay, not hearing any objections,
let's see, what is the recommendation o the Administration on 5(a)?
Mr. Fosmoen: That we pass the ordinance reducing the occupational license
from $90.00 to $30.00 for the period of festivals, which would be a 5-day
period.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, Plummer moves, Lacasa seconds, read the ordinance.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 31, ENTITLED
"LICENSES, MISCELLANEOUS BUSINESS REGULATION" OF THE
CODE OF THE CITY OF MIAMI, FLORIDA (1980), AS AMENDED, IN
THE FOLLOWING RESPECT: BY ADDING A NEW SUBSECTION 31-10
WHICH ESTABLISHES A NEW FIVE DAY OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE
CLASSIFICATION AND TAX FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS OR FIRMS ENGAGED
IN THE BUSINESS OF EXHIBITING, SELLING OR OFFERING FOR SALE,
GOODS, WATES, OR MERCHANDISE, IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN OPEN AIR,
OUTDOOR, CULTURAL, ART, FOLK OR STREET FESTIVAL; PROVIDING
FOR THE ASSESSMENT AND COLLECTION OF A LICENSE TAX; CONTAIN-
ING A REPEALER PROVISION AND A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE; DISPENSING
WITH THE REQUIREMENT OF READING THE SAME ON TWO SEPARATE DAYS
BY A VOTE OF NOT LESS THAN FOUR -FIFTHS OF THE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMISSION.
Was introduced by Commissioner Plummerand seconded by Commissioner
Lacasa, for adoption as an emergency measure and dispensing with the requirement
of reading same on two separate days, which was agreed to by the following
vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
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NOES: None.
ABSENT: Commissioner
Rev.) T. R. Gibson.
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Whereupon the Commission on motion of Commissioner Plummer and seconded by
Commissioner Lacasa, adopted said Ordinance by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice Mayor (Rev.) T. R. Gibson
SAID ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED EMERGENCY ORDINANCE NO.9242
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to members of the City Commission
and to the public.
39. REAPPOINT RICHARD L. FOSMOEN AS CITY *TANAGER, SUBJECT TO
HIS RESIGNATION LETTER ON FILE WITH THE OFFICE OF THE CLERK.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I offer a Resolution appointing Richard Fosmoen
as City Manager of the City of Miami, Florida subject to the continued ap-
plicability of his written stipulation dated September 2, 1980, said ap-
apointment to remain in effect until the next meeting of the City Commission
to be held for the purposes of considering the selection of a City Manager
but not later than February 26, 1981.
Mayor Ferre: Is there a second?
Mr. Lacasa: Seco:i.
Mayor Ferre: Furthe discussion, call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-103
A RESOLUTION APPOINTING RICHARD FOSMOEN AS CITY MANAGER OF
THE CITY OF MIAMI, FLORIDA, SUBJECT TO THE CONTINUED APPLI-
CABILITY OF HIS WRITTEN STIPULATION DATED SEPTEMBER 2, 1980,
SAID APPOINTMENT TO REMAIN IN EFFECT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING
OF THE CITY COMMISSION TO BE HELD FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSIDER-
ING THE SELECTION OF A CITY MANAGER BUT NOT LATER THAN
FEBRUARY 26, 1981.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein
and on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the resolution
was passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
AMNT; Vice Mayor (Rev.) T. R. Gibson
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40. ACCEPT HID: WORK UNIFORMS - CITY-WIDE.
Mr. Fosmoen: Mr. Mayor, Commissioner Plummer raised questions on
item 20, he is leaving for the day, the Purchasing Agent is here to respond
to questions.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer, your -question.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mullins, on the record, sir. You don't have to bring
out your papers, I take your word, sir. As you know and I know, for the
past five years this item in reference to uniforms has been probably one of
the most controversial subjects that we have had. I hope what I read by
no one being here screaming and hollering, sir, that this is the first time
that everything is in order. There are no objectors .... I just want it on
the record that that in fact the case..
Mr. Art Mullins: Mr. Plummer, the floor is clean.
Mr. Plummer: I move the item.
Mayor Ferre: There is a motion on item 20, second by Carollo, further
discussion, call the roll on item 20.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-104
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF UNIFORMS FOR INDUSTRY, INC.
FOR FUP.NISHING WORK UNIFORMS ON A CONTRACT BASIS FOR ONE YEAR,
CITY WIDE; AT A TOTAL ESTIMATED COST OF $75,487.00; ALLOCATING
FUNDS FROM THE 1980-81 OPERATING BUDGETS OF THE VARIOUS CITY
DEPARTMENTS; AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE PURCHASING
AGENT TO ISSUE THE PURCHASE ORDERS FOR THESE MATERIALS.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein
and on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution
was passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice Mayor (Rev.) T. R. Gibson
Mayor Ferre: All right, but before you leave, J.L., the emergency parking
thing, obviously, item F is gone for this session. Item I is the ordinance
extending the hours of operation for alcoholic beverages,...item I is put
off. All right, Mr. Fosmoen, on item l(b) would you have somebody call
Anne Marie Adcker and tell her there won't be any Commission meeting at
5:00, so that she ... she said she would be here at 5:00, well, there won't
be any meeting at 5:00, so you better let her know.
Mr. Fosmoen: We'll try and reach her, sir.
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AT THIS POINT MAYOR FERRE CLARIFIES WITH THE CITY MANAGER CERTAIN ITEMS
THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY DEFER AS WELL AS THOSE THAT THEY WOULD
PROBABLY CONSIDER. AFTER A BRIEF DISCUSSION, THE CITY COMMISSION
WENT INTO LUNCH RECESS AT: 12:10 P.M., RECONVENING AT: 2:15 P.M.,
WITH ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION FOUND TO BE PRESENT EXCEPT FOR:
COMMISSIONERS CAROLLO, LACASA AND REV. GIBSON.
41. PLAQUES, PRESENTATIONS AND SPECIAL ITEMS.
Distinguished Visitor Scroll - DR. FERNA4T0 DE PARIAS BERRY, former Mayor of
Seville, Spain, and member of the architectural
firm Arquinde.
Proclamation - SCHOOL VOLLJN71ER WEEK - Presented to Ks. Gina Craig, Supervisor
School Volunteer Program Dade Partners. '
Proclamation - OPERATION BILINGUAL DAY - Presented to Mrs. Magda Orta, Educational ,
Specialist.
_Plaque - Presented to DONALD H. TJOSS, JR. - Who retired as Assistant Director of
the Department of Solid Waste, after
more than 30 years of service.
Plaque - Presented to MS. OLLIE WTLLIAMS - For 30 years of dedicated service to
the City of Miami.
Corimendation - Presented to MS. OLGA ELQTERA - For her assistance to the Cuban F
Haitian refugees & involvement in
the community.
Distinguished Visitor Scroll - DR. LINO ANTUERO - Councilman from Lima, Peru.
Distinguished Visitor Scroll - INC. FELIPE REPM0 a Assistant Director of Electro-
ima, in Lima, Per .
Sroll of Friendship- DR. F. SA M AGO TORRfiS ` Former Vice ?Mayor of Lima, PerG.
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DEFI:f�it1 CUNSIDI'KATION OF
4 DISCUSSION: DE:'I:1-0I'c1hNT ORDER FOR MIAMI CENTER II
(Se(! item 44, this same meeting).
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, is it possible, it is my understanding that Mr.
Gould will be asking for a deferral and it is going to be a very simple
and quick thing, and I would like to vote on that before I go out the door
unless there is going to be more than just that request. I would like to
move that item 5 be deferred until the next meeting.
Mayor Ferre: There is a motion that item 5 be deferred.
Mr.Plummer: This is based on a request made by the Applicant.
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Mayor Ferre: Do you have a statement to make? Mr. Gould, why don't you
state on the record your name and your request, we'll vote on this....
Mr. Theodore B. Gould: My name is Theodore B. Gould, of Hickory Rich
Farms Earlysville. I would like to have the presentation of our
Development Order deferred until the first meeting in March, if that's con-
venient for you.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Mr. Plummer is there a motion?
Mr. Plummer: I have no problems.
Mayor Ferre: Plummer moves, is there a second?
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mayor Ferre: I've got some comments that I do need to make but in
deference to the others...
Mr. Plummer: I want to get the vote done.
Mayor Ferre: ...because I've got to leave.
Mayor Ferre: Call the roll on that.
THEREUPON, the City Commission, on motion duly
made by Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. and
seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, MOVED TO HAVE
THE HEREINABOVE ITEM DEFERRED UNTIL THE FIRST
MEETING IN MARCH, 1981.
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Vice Mayor (REv.) T. R. Gibson
NOES: None.
Mayor Ferre: All right, I'll hold back my comments for a moment, Mr.
Gould, because we do have Commissioner Shack who has been waiting and we
need to hear from her.
AT THIS POINT, QUESTIONS TO BE MADE BY MAYOR FERRE ON THE
HEREINABOVE ITEM w'ERE MOMENTARILY DEFERRED.
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43. EXECUTE LEASE AGREEMENT: BY AND BETVEEN CITY OF MIAMI AND 4
METROPOLITAN DADE COUNTY - "FORMER CITY OF MIAMI JAIL" at
1145 N.W. 11 St. - APPOIItiT PAT SKUBISH AS LIAISON.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Mrs. Shack.
Metro Commissioner Ms. Ruth Shack: J. L. Please, I'll be as brief as I
can before you 1 eave because we really need y o u on this. 1 am here
representing the Mayor and the Board of County CommiEsioners, I'm Ruth
Shack. Also in tht: audience is the County Manager and his staff, the
head of the Capital luproveu;ents, the Acting Director of Corrections,
and other group of people who would be able to answer any questions that
YOU might have. You have received a packet of materials talking about the
facts concerning the Interim Central Detention Facility, that's the item
that we are here to discuss today. You are on the same streets that I am,
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you are reading the same people, meeting the same people and hearing the
concerns of this community. The several Chambers of Commerce have declared
war on crime, every home owner group in South Florida has declared war on
crime. Every citizen in the community has looked to us for leadership and
said -what are you doing about it? And indeed, what we are doing is trying
desperately to make the system work. One of the things we are doing, both
as a City and a County is trying to fill the complement of law enforcement
officers that we need in this community; the second, is pressuring the system
to work; and the third, which we must do -and this is very much a part of it -
is provide the facilities so that the system can work. Why did we choose this
particular building and why are we asking you, the City Commission to join in
a contract with the County?
Mayor Ferre: Ruth, in the interest of time, I'm trying to be helpful, I think
we understand the underlying background, the underlying reasons. What specific-
ally are you going to do with this property? What do you want from us? And
what are you going to do for. us?
Commissioner Shack: What I want you to do as a City is accept the provisions
of a contract which provides for in excess of $500,000 worth of improvements
to your building, which when we no longer need that facility we will walk away
from it and it will become your facility.
Mayor Ferre: How long will you use the facility for?
Commissioner Shack: Two years, that is the contract is for two years, we
expect that we will have a facility on line by then, you understand the
constraints.
Mayor Ferre: Is there anything else you need to add to that?
Commissioner Shack: Absolutely, I want to add to that the fact that we have
heard some of the concerns of the people who work in that building.
Mayor Ferre: You understand what they are.
Commissioner Shack: ]. understand what the concerns are and I understand
and feel a great empath_; for their concerns, because we all fear for our
safety on the streets of Dade County, no less in a facility such as this
will be. We recognize that there are City employees who are presently in
that building. We will be enchancing, first of all, the parts of the build-
ing that they will be using and completely separating the part of the build-
ing that we, as a County, will be using for the detention facility. We will
add safeguards.
Mayor Ferre: What do you mean separating? Separate floors?
Commissioner Shack: Separate the entrances, separate floors, concrete block
around the facilities that we will be using and, on top of that, two security
guards who will be there for the security of the people working in the build-
ing not the detention facility itself. The detention facility will be com-
pletely self-contained, but we fear for the safety and we understand the con-
cerns of the people working in the rest of the building and these guards will
be there for their safety and security. They will be at each entrance to the
building during the working hours and make absolutely certain that visitors
to the facility who have no reason to be there during the working hours will
be sent to where they should be and not gain access to the building at all.
Mayor Ferre: Do I understand that there will be no visitors there during
regular week work -days?
Commissioner Shack: The regular work -week and the evenings during the week
there will be no visitors, visitors will only have access to the facility
on the weekends, when there will be no workers in the building. And those
who might stray there thinking that they can indeed see members of their
family or friends will be directed by these two guards who will be at the
entrances to the building, will have the information that they should have
before going into the building.
Mayor Ferre: All right, I think we have members of the... employees that may
want to be heard. Pat do you want to say something at this time? Does any-
body want to be heard? All right, let me recognize Pat Skubish and then,
Ruth, I'll recognize you again.
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Ms. Pat Skubish: Mr. Mayor, members of the Commission. My name is
Pat Skubish and I'm property owner in Dade County and in the City of
Miami, I"m also a City of Miami employee. I'm here before you today
because of major concerns I have regarding this proposed action of
the relocation of the jail facility. There is a real question here
regarding life and safety for City employees,for City residents, and
also businesses in the area. Recent actions by Dade County and the
City indicate to me that a County jail facility will be relocated in
the City building located at 1145 N.W. l.lth St. I would like to bring
to your attention what my major concerns are regarding this proposal.
Due to the neighborhood in which this facility is located, and due to
the clientele of this Department and HRD, security is already a problem.
Staff is already hesitant to remain in the building after dark due to
the ability of strangers to gain access to any one of the numerous en-
trances to the building. The presence of a jail facility there will
not improve security, don't let that fool you, it will not improve
security, in fact, it will worsen the situation; no police vehicles will
be parked there and security personnel will not be visible as they will
be on the second floor. Parking will be aggravated as correction vehicles
will have to pool into the back of the building where CD and HRD, Civil
Service Board staff members currently have assigned parking areas. A
major concern is the possibility of a prisoner escaping while being
brought into the building or out of the building for court appearances.
It would be very easy for an escapee to gain access to any part of this
building. As I mentioned before, there are numerous entrances. I realize
that this will not be an every day occurence but once would be quite
enough. On Tuesday, February 10, 1981, headlines in the Miami Herald -
your favorite paper, Mr.Mayor- "Murderer beats the System -he flees
Raiford Prison", and that's from Florida's toughest prison, okay?
Florida's toughest prison, he walks out and they are still trying to
figure it out. If that happens when they are prepared with armed person-
nel, what guarantee do we have that it won't have at 1145 N.W. llth St.?
What guarantee do we have that we will not be held hostage in our place
of employment? What guarantee, Commissioners, for our safety? I don't
see any guarantee written in this lease agreement, do you? There are
several negative things that will certainly occur as the result of the
jail being located there. They are all based on past experiences. When
it was a City of Miami Police Department facility, the proximity of the
entrance to the jail will result in increased noise at the back of the
building which will interrupt the operation of several CD and HRD opera-
tions; distractions will result which will hamper office efficiency.
Furthermore, visitors to the jail, even though Commissioner Shack said
it would just be on the weekends, it doesn't make it mandatory in the
Lease when you get to read the lease. The visitors have been known to
pound on our windows and doors to gain access, when correction officers'
staff do not immediately respond to the request for access. Visitors
also have been known to become irate if, for whatever reason, they cannot
gain entrance. Relatives and friends of the inmates in the Dade County
jail across the street, will still come to 1145 no matter what Commissioner
Shack says, I work there, I know. Seventy (70%) percent of the employees
for HRD are women, some of which have requested to work after 5:00 P.M. on
special projects, they will be escorted to their cars..by whom? I have
seen the Lease Agreement and quite frankly, Commissioners, I do not see
in all honesty ho,: you can vote in favor of this. As many of you know,
I am a realist and their preventing the use of the jail may not be able
to be achieved today, and if that is so, if that is so, Commissioners,
and Mr. Mayor, then my second reason for being here shall be achieved,
and that is to ask you to recognize what the County proposes to put in
our City building. It's a current cause right now for real fear and real
anxiety for those of us who will be living and working there, in the area.
I believe that a watch dog should be appointed to insure if this is your
wish, because of course you know I'm going to fight it. I believe a
watchdog should be appointed to insure that our good friends -Metro/Dade
County- is keeping its agreement.
Mr. Plummer: We've got a blonde there that does it for free.
Mayor Ferre: Very funny.
Ms. Skubish: I have discussed my concerns briefly with the City Manager.
I believe he has good intentions to make a good faith effort to insure
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our safety and our well being. But, Mr. Mayor and members of the Cdfu-
mission, he is but one man and one heck of a man he is, by the way.
(LAUGHTER)
(INAUDIBLE COMMENT OFF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Ms. Skubish: I knew that would get you, Plummer, that's why I did it.
I was going to say acting man, but I couldn't do that. All right, let
me wrap it up, okay? Mr. Fosmoen cannot be actively involved no matter
what, on a day-by-day basis, and he cannot ride herd on the County. In
the particularly early stages of the County's involvement with the jail
that I feel will require the greatest attention, for example, gentlemen,
if you all look at the Lease Agreement, the County is offering us...you
will see so many loopholes that even merritt could slip through them. I
have found numerous problems with this Lease Agreement, I am no attorney
but I will stand here and go over point by point with you, but what I, as
a poor, little, City -worker have found wrong with this Lease Agreement.
I will be happy to stand and go over point by point but being as astute
as I know you gentlemen are, that you don't need me to point out the loop-
holes in this Lease, you don't need me for that, you have a mind, Mr. Mayor,
like a steel trap, and you c,�n Look at that Agreement and you can tell me
in five minutes what's wrong with it, and I don't care, you know, if they
have Stierheim here and they have all the County Commissioners here, hey,
this is one little City e-mployee, come on guys, let's go. All right, I
have here, in my hand, signatures of people, hundreds of people,and I
only had a couple of days to get this, give me a couple of more days I
will thousands of people, and that should tell you something. I know
how concerned you are, Mr. Mayor, members of the City Commission, about
the community, the sensitivity that you have for this community, and I want
to tell you that if _ti•ou care about that community out there, because they
care about what you are doing 'mere today, they may not all be here, but
they are monitorir:g this meeting, they know what you are going to do. You
care about the;:, give as a break.
Mayor Ferre: Pat, let's see if we can cut through this and do it in a
good, strong way. i think you are right, I think you have some very serious
concerns and if I -marl or women- who are working in that jail, I would be
concerned. I thir;k, however, that there is a middle ground somewhere, and
I would hope that ycu would accept the role as watchdog, reporting direct-
ly to the 'tanager on this, directly to the Manager and not to anybody else
on this particu.lar issue. I'r„ sorry Dick, because this will take up a lot
of your time, but I think that perhaps you and Rob also, because obviously
we are going to need some follow through on this, will be working with Pat
directly with the Manager on trying to clarify those areas that the em-
ployees feel are not clear enough, such as proper lighting, guard services,
and all the other re(,uirements so that they are part and parcel of the
contract and I would also recommend, Pat, that the employees that work
there organize themselves in a committee -maybe three- and then work through
you, so that....
Ms. Skubish: Excuse me, Mr.Mayor, did I just lose the vote? I mean, the
jail is coming then.... is that what's happening?
Mayor Ferre: No, I'm sayi►ig that if it is the will of this Commission
to proceed on this, that we take your advice, and that is to appoint a
watchdog, and I can't think of a better watchdog than you, frankly.
Ms. Skubish: All right, let me tell you something, Mr. Mayor, do you have
the Lease in front of you?
Mr. Plummer: Pat, let me try to do something because, if not, you are
going to lose the vote because I've got to walk out the door. Ruthie,
you know, you and Bill can speak, well...I think the County has done a
great job in trying ro relieve the problem. Now, they are not perfect,
we are not perfect, I would say that there is no question that we need
the facilities, there is no question, okay? and it is the only instant
solution that I know of. When youvve got a Judge saying, -Okay, from
such and such a date everyone you put in you've got to take two loose,
what the reasoning behind that is, I'll never know, but he has every right
to do it. Ruthie, could the County live with the suggestion that we ac-
cept those areas that you have proffered today and a proviso that the
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County would accept and implement any reasonable request of this Com-
mission within 30 days of such request and, of course, the bottom line
is you don't, the contract is void. I think you are more than willing
to do it.
Commissioner Shack: Mr. Plummer, there.is no question, we are anxious
to provide the facility (PART OF STATEMENT UNINTELLIGIBLE DUE THE FACT
THAT COMMISSIONER SHACK WAS NOT SPEAKING INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD) We
are anxious to work with the City and more anxious to work with Ms.
Skubish and (REST OF STATEMENT UNINTELLIGIBLE).
Mr. Plummer: Look, what I'm saying is, in so many words, that it is an
open situation, that you would honor any reasonable request this Com-
mission would make upon you... you know, if three guards are needed and
we came back and said, -hey, we -want you to put another one, I don't
think it's going to be any problem; if it's additional lighting, we come
back and say we need additional....look, you want it for more than two
years, okay?, you are talking about a minimum of two years, it's going
to take three years, as I know it, to build the jail. Now, do you want
to be there longer? I just think that if we leave it as an open door,
that any reasonable request this Commission makes, you will comply within
30 days, or 14 days, of -if it is an emergency situation- today.
Commissioner Shack: Anything that has to do with the safety of the people
we will go for....
Mr. Plummer: Look, Ruthie, you don't want it on your conscience any more
than I do or Pat does if somebody could get hurt, we don't want that.
Ms. Skubish: All I have, Mr. Mayor, through you, is a couple of questions.
Mayor Ferre: All right, go ahead.
Ms. Skubish: Number one, because I am also...I rent out a couple of my
homes and I know how important an agreement is. This Lease Agreement,
Commissioner Shack, has many flaws in it, I mean, it does not protect the
City the way I want the City to be protected. As I told you, Mr. Mayor,
I'm a lay person and this contract is not good enough for the City. Just
one other question, Mr. Mayor...
Mayor Ferre: No, no, but there is a very simple solution to it, see?
The Resolution says it authorizes to execute a Lease Agreement, it doesn't
say which Lease Agreement, so I think if we were to vote on this, we would
vote on the Resolution, and then, I think we would need to sit down and....
Mr. Bob Clark: Mr. Mayor, the Resolution does say "in accordance with the
terms and conditions set forth in the attached agreement".
Mayor Ferre: That's not what's in front of me. You are reading from a
different paper, I'm reading Section 1: "The City Manager is hereby authorized
to execute a Lease Agreement with Dade County for the lease of the former....
for a term of two years" and so on, "...subject to extensions... at a cost of
$1.00, all in accordance with the terms...." If you strike "all in accord-
ance with the terms and conditions as set foiulh in tht attached agreement"
all that does is it gives the Manager the authority to proceed with it
and they I would make in the motion, as part of it, that the Committee of
1 representing the employees be part and parcel of the final agreement or
the lease. Otherwise, what you are going to have is a lot of unsatisfied
employees that are going to be screaming about this.
Mr. Plummer: I've got no problem with that.
Mayor Ferre: You solve the problem, "a Lease Agreement", it doesn't
specify which Lease Agreement, you have the legal authority to sign a
Lease Agreement. Which Lease Agreement? You make sure that Pat and
the employees are properly protected and I'm sure that it can be worked
out.
Ms. Skubish: Okay, just one more question, Mr. Mayor?
Mayor Ferre: Yes, go ahead.
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Ms. Skubish: Okay. This was brought to my attention today from somebody
over inthe County, who'll be nameless, said to me that there are two vacant
flaws in the County jail right now that has never been finished.
Mr. Plummer: Not true.
Ms. Skubish: And I'd like to know about that.
Mr. Plummer: It's not true they were just recently open for juvenile
facilities.
Ms. Skubish: Okay, also bear in mind, Mr. Mayor, that there are over 4,000
signatures over here.
Mayor Ferre: I understand. I also accept that you could get 8,000, I
don't have any questions about that. Armando?
Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Mayor, since we have the opportunity of having the Chief
of Police here I'd like to ask Chief Harms.....
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, excuse me, I don't mind my good friend the Chief
to be giving his input but Mr. Mayor, you either call the vote now and
then let the Chief do it or you've lost a vote.
Mayor Ferre: All right, is there a motion then on item...
Mr. Plummer: I so move.
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mayor Ferre: All right, it's been moved and seconded, further discussion
all right, call the roll.
AT PHIS POINT, MAYOR FERU- STIPUL2,TES FOR THE RECORD THE AMENDMENTS TO
BE MADE TO THE PREPARED RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO THE HEREINABOVE DISCUSSION:
Mayor Ferre: All right, call the roll on a:
"Resolution authorizing the City Manager to execute the attached Lease
Agreement between the City of Miami and Dade County providing
for the lease of the former City of Miami jail at 1145 N.W.
11 Street, at a cost of one dollar per year, and other additional
considerations, for a term of two years, and for monthly extensions
thereafter upon mutual agreement thereto.",
and strike out the last sentence of the last paragraph,after the comma,
"all in accordance with the terms and conditions set forth in the attached
agreement."
Mr. Clark: The title you read Mayor, you included the words "attached
agreement", you mean, "an agreement"
Mayor Ferre: "An Agreement".
Mr. Clark: All right.
COMMISSIONER PLUMMER'S COMMENTS ON THE JITNEY'S ISSUE WITH THE COUNTY:_
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, also in a spiritu of cooperation, Ms. Shack and
my good friend Mr. Oliver, we have requested 8 months ago that a Jitney
Ordinance is coming up before you next week or this week. We still request
that be deferred for our input. I hope cooperation is a two-way street.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, call the roll.
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The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plumeit,
Who Moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-105
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A
LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MIAMI AND DADE COUNTY
PROVIDING FOR THE LEASE OF THE FORMER CITY OF MIAMI JAIL
AT 1145 N.W. 11 STREET, AT A COST OF ONE DOLLAR PER YEAR,
AND OTHER ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS, FOR A TERM OF TWO
YEARS, AND FOR tMONTHLY EXTENSIONS THEREAFTER UPON MUTUAL
AGREEMENT THERETO.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted herein _
and on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the resolution
was passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa*
Mayor Maurice Ferre **
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Vice Mayor (Rev.) T. R. Gibson
ON ROLL CALL:
NOTE: Commissioner J.L.
Plummer leaves: 2:55 PM.
*Mr. Lacasa: Okay, before I vote, Chief, do you feel that these facilities
in the way that the County has presented their proposal that it will have
security and all to insure the neighborhood that they won't have an adverse
impact that could put in jeopardy their safety by virtue of the facility
being in operation as a jail there?
Chief Harms: I think that the County has made every reasonable attempt to
predict what is going to occur and to provide for those concerns in a le-
gitimate way. I also find the County to be extremely willing to address
problems as they develop with the understanding that in the spirit of co-
operation they'll attempt to work any of those problems out. I think the
basic plan is good and I would encourage you to vote for it.
Mr. Lacasa: Thank you, Chief. Based on the fact that what we need now
in this comnunity, more than anything else, is to get back to a stable
situation and work to control the crime wave that is affecting the whole
community, and knowing that no neighborhood likes to have this kind of
facility in their neighborhood but at the same time I believe that this is
an emergency situation and that sacrifices will have to be made, and I
for one, commend the County for coming and for working with us, and therefore,
I vote yes.
**Mayor Ferre: Before I vote, you understand that we needed to do what we
did because Plummer has to catch an airplane and we have to have his vote
on the record, but I didn't want to preclude anybody from talking and
even though this is an unusual way of doing it, I apologize for the un-
orthodox approach but, are there any members of the Holiday Inn or Da_y's
Inn or anybody in the vicinity who I know were concerned that are here
that wish to express themselves? All right, then, seeing nobody here, let
the record reflect that and then let me as to my vote explain that I concur
with my two colleagues and I do think we have an emergency situation. Ruth,
we haven't had a jail population facility increase, I mean, in what 14
years?..really 20 years, and the fact is that the population of Dade County
In 20 years has much more than doubled and that the criminal population has
increased even more than that since crime has increased drastically in these
20 years. This is an emergency so we do need ... On the other hand I am very
concerned about the safety of human beings that are both citizens of Miami
and of Metropolitan Dade County for which we both have responsibilities for
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and to, and in my positive vote let me reiterate that it is part and parcel
of the motion is the appointment of Pat Skubish as the City's representative,
ombudsman if you will, watchdog, and liaison between Metro and the City so
that all the safeguard provisions will be included and that she, in that func-
tion, report directly to the City Manager, Dick Fosmoen. Okay?
Commissioner Shack: Mr. Ferre, Mr. Mayor, and
your vote today and you may rest assured that
safety of the people working in that building,
gency, we don't want to forget the humanistic
so you may rest assured that we are committed
Thank you, sir.
Mayor Ferre: Thank you very much.
Mr. Lacasa, I thank you for
paramount in our minds is the
and while this may be an emer-
values that we all stand for,
to make this a safe facility.
44. MIAIMI CENTER II DEVELOPMENT ORDER: ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANTS,
URBAN DESIGN OF DUPONT PLAZA AREA, CONFIGURATION OF BUILDI,,GS,
PEDESTRIAN b VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, CONFIGURATION OF GARAGE AND
FUTURE APPOINTMENT OF BLUE RIBBON COr2,11TTEE TO *t4%KE CRITIQUE.
Mavor Ferre: We don't have a quorum so we have to wait for another Commissioner
I know you have to catch a plane too, and I just wanted to say the following
on the record with regards to Miami Center, a project which is now being de-
ferred. Mr. Manager, I think I can foresee an impasse coming here, and I
think it is going to affect Southeast, I don't think Southeast is exempt
from the impasse. In the first place, it has now come to my attention that
the bifurcation proposal is not carved out in stone but rather that we are now
getting into this run-around and this rigamarole which is so damn typical of
this community, that in effect the bid for proposal wants a further review on
the bifurcation, this is a new development which you are not aware of, and
that was somehow slipped into the specifications. Now, Barry Peterson walked
in just a moment ago and I don't know where he is at, but I'm pretty sure,
without even having talked to him -and I'm going to ask him to put in the record
in just a moment- that he is probably going to recommend an appeal on South-
east based on this nebulous situation with regards to the traffic snarl that's
definitely coming on and even though nobody can predict what the full Board
will do, my guess is that you are going to be up before the Cabinet and where-
as nobody can predict what the Cabinet can do my guess is that you are pro-
bably going to get through the Cabinet and be successful, but on the other
hand, I think that's going to take you a lot of time and tat is something
that I don't think that Southeast in any way wants, so I think that we are
all involved. Now, I want to reiterate once again, and I'm not in any way
impressed by editorials in our morning newspaper, and they don't affect me
other than..., well, I guess they do affect, you know what happens when I see
them? I usually try to do the reverse with as much vigor and it. doubles my
enthusiasm, and my enthusiasm is for the building of the whole Dupont Plaza
as quickly and as massively as we can do it, as quickly as possible. I feel
that that will move Miami in a very, very positive direction towards becoming
a major City. However, there is one thing that really concerns me and it is
a very serious matter. I don't think that Downtown Miami is a happy place
now. It's not a happy place because it shuts down at 1:00 o'clock and it's
shut down during the weekend, and that means that it is an unl;appy place
because it is an office complex. That's wrong. That's downtown New York,
and I think that's wrong, that's not a happy place either. if it weren't
for uptown New York, New York would be a terrible place.. And 1 think we've
got to get away from making downtown Miami, downtown New York. And that
means that we've got to do other things other than office buildings there.
Now, I know that Southeast has a vision that all they really want is a balk
and an office building. I don't agree with that. 1 think ... I don't know
whether they really thought this thing through to the end, and I would hope
since there are people with vision in that Bank, that they would want for
Miami more than just a jungle of concrete office complexra, that they would
want a living inner City, tend there is only One way that we can really ac-
commodate that and that ie if we 1-Lave bot}z residential, sports, meetings,
hotels and commercial usage of Downtown and we Have to encourage everything
that encourages those functions. Now, what. does all this meau? I think,
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And why we are in trouble is, the Bank has its green light, they've got
to come back for other things, they've got to come back with certain agree-
ments. I understand that the very capable architect -Chuck Bassett- is
out drawing in San Francisco, and the very capable architect Pietro Velusky
is drawing away in Oregon, and Velusky says, -you want to see me, I went
to see you last time and you come up to see me in Oregon, Chuck Bassett says, -
no, you ought to see me in San Francisco, and this is all going on and what
they are doing is they are drawing away, there are separate plans, they are
not getting together. Now, much more important to me than the buildings,
as important as they are, is how these buildings relate to each other and
how they relate to the whole of Downtou.•n and we don't have to wait 120 days
like that agreement says, I can tell you right now, the way this thing is
going there ain't going to be no agreement between Southeast and Gould, it
ain't going to happen, so we may as well bite the bullet and figure out
exactly where we are at. So here is what I would like to do and I would like
to make a motion on this as soon as I can get another member of this Commission
to see if we can get some action on this. There are -and I say this with all
due respect to some of my architect friends some of which are in the audience -
there are only but four or five firms in the world, certainly in the United
States, that can look and make a proper judgment. We all know who they are -
Pei, Bill Johnson, Stubbins, Kevin, Roach and Dinkleloo and two or
three others, there are not that many that are really that qualified and
have the equipment to measure. Now, Pei is in the middle of a project
here which has problems of its own. Gettis was already retained by the
Bank and I don't think we could Gettis(sp?). I have some reservations, even
though I think ;coach is terrific but he is a very stubborn man, and I don't
know whether Roach would be ... and he is a new factor in all of this. There
is one firm and that is Stubbins, that is a highly recognized, highly respected
firm that has already been retained by Metropolitan Dade County who has al-
ready been to Dade County, who's looked non -controversial, highly -regarded,
highly respected, did the City Bank, hasn't been involved with either parties
and is already co=nissioned. Now, I am going to offer a motion that the City
of Miami, on its own, at our expense, along with the DDA retain Stubbins for
two purposes: one, to look at, criticize and even help design if necessary,
the pedestrian communications between all these buildings, and how they fit
and to see if he, Stubbins himself, personally, can bring these two warring
giants to talk to each other and perhaps meet in a neutral ground and come to
some kind of agreement. And that, when I say pedestriani.zation, I'm talking
about how these buildings fit with each other, we cannot look at these build-
ings as separate entities. As the Mayor of Miami, and as a member of this
Commission, my vote has got to be ... I'm looking at the whole, not at a piece.
I can't go along with just going one way with one guy or one building. We
are looking at the whole thing, and when I say that Hugh Stubbins look at this,
I also mean all transportation, mainly pedestrian, but that also includes ve-
hicular traffic, where does the People Mover fit into all of this, so that we
know that there is a coherent plan. I know that each group is working separate-
ly but we've got a lot of problems. Skippy Sheppard doesn't have access to
the Dupont Plaza, in his opinion, and that of his architect and his lawyer
and his stockholders, there are going to be lawsuits on this. That doesn't
do anybody any good if we have lawsuits to stop this project or that project
I think we are going to try to work this out in harmony.
The second thing that I would like Stubbins to do is to give us an
architectural critique. I think that there is enough commotion here about
whether or not the massiveness of parking garage as you approach it from I-95...
I think this is a matter of serious concern. What does this look like when
you cross the bridge? I think that you need to look at the architectural,
at the finished design aspects and how these buildings fit with each other.
Now, I know that Southeast in their order is bound to model. That hasn't been
wind -tested, that hasn't been structurally looked at, what happens if after
some wind -testing in a wind -tunnel the structure of that building has to be
changed? You are going to be back here, I guarantee you, you two lawyers
representing Southeast and Gerald Hines, you will be back to this Commission
many times. So this, we are not anywhere near finished, and I think that we
need to make sure that as you come back and as Miami Center comes before us
that we have the ability to look at this from an architectural point of view.
That is not to say that we should super impose nitr architect overd v yrts, but I do
think that the community needs a critique.' I was hoping that we id°n
have to do this but I don't see -the way this is heading- that we have any
choice but to approach it, and I think we have no choice but to go get the
best and there are only, as I said, three or four people that really fit into
that category and you can eliminate two or three of them because of conflicts
of interest and I arbitrarily eliminated Kevin Roach, and that really leaves
you with Hugh Stubbins. We don't have a quorum so there is nothing we can do
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at this point, Mr. Gould.
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Mr. Theodore Gould: Well, perhaps during the interim I can give you the
status of the situation and why I asked for the deferral. Two days ago,
I met with Southeast, Mr. Bassett, and we presented to Mr. Bassett the
drawings that were prepared by Mr. Velusky with respect to the second level
pedestrian plaza as the development of Mr. Velusky's concept. They had not
had an opportunity to respond even though we had previously given them con-
cept drawings. Yesterday, we met with the Planning Department of the City
and also the Public Works Department and the Doumtown People Mover System
Engineering staff and reviewed the same drawings with them. Fundamentally,
we think that there is an area in which the City has to make a decision. It
is with respect to the type of environment that the City expects to have in
the Dupont Plaza area. Once that environment is...once an urban design has
been decided upon, then the location of the Downtown People Mover System,
the station, the way it's funded, are all logical conclusions that are reached
from the policy decision that has to be made by this City Council. The City
Council's decision is really with respect to whether there is going to be a
Master Plan, motivating; active pedestrian participation and a mixed -use
environment. If there is not going to be one then we would like to review
our design and determine whether or not we will eliminate the 350,000 square
feet of retail space that we prest,ntly propose and increase the amount of of-
fice space that we have. In addition to that, we would like to have a Resolu-
tion prior to the construction of anv aspect of the development of the four -block
area. We would like a resolution of the traffic conditions. Both in terms
of tae design and also in terms of the funding. The traffic conditions at
Dupont Plaza at 2nd and are already very poor. It is likely that during
the construction period that corner is going to fail. We believe that our
property would be financially damaged, that there would be an adverse environ-
mental impact upon the entire area if there is any construction prior to the
resolution of the traffic conditions. That, of course, is a statement that was
made many times by Hood j?r,ss_tt. prior to considering the construction of a
building; in Dupont. Plaza. We are prepared to try to find a resolution of the
problem. We would likc for the City Council to tell us what policy, what
urban policy the Cite and, the community wants to pursue.
Mayor Ferr.e: I think that's a major decision that this Commission has got
to make. It has nothing to do with Southeast, or Mr. Gould, it has nothing
to do with what the architects or what Barry Peterson or anybody else has
said. 1 think it has to do with a very simple premise. What do we want
Downtown to be? And zoning laws have nothing to do with it, you can have all
the zoning laws and have monstruosities, and I can take you to City after
City where there is strict adherence to zoning and you have monstruous down-
town cities that die at 6:00 o'clock at night and are horrible to live in and
who the hell would ever want to be there unless you had to go there. So,
that's not the answer, I think that's a part answer but it's not the total
answer. We need to define in this particular project which is bigger than
everything else that has been built in Downtown Miami put together, ever in
our history. One felled swoop in five years, or ten years, or whatever,
whenever this gets built, it's going to be bigger than everything else we've
ever done before, so it's that important. We need to define what we want it
to be, as a City, as a community, do we want it to be an office complex?
Is that it? Do we want Gould to pull off ... what was it you said, 350,000
square F-pt of ccnune.rcial? Three hundred and fifty thousand square feet of
commercial, in that particular area, in my opinion is absolutely essential
to the Dupont Plaza. Dupont Plaza doesn't want to have 3,000,000 square
feet of more office space there, I don't think, I mean, I am not answering
for you Skippy but I think, it seems to me, that we need to very careful as
to what we are defining here, and that decision that Gould just talked about
is really based on what kind of traffic and transportation do you have and
how do these buildings relate to each other. Until we come up with that,
I would hope we could work it out but I don't think we are going to because
I think Chuck Bassett is going one way and I think Velusky is going another,
and Gould is going another way, and you guys are just going to be going like
this. So that means that we need to come and say, -okay, fellows, time out,
you know, let's take your break here and let's get the coach in here, and
let's get the quarter -backs and let's get some of these players and think
this thing through because we need to know what the next play is going to be
and at this stage of the game there is no solution, and that's going to hurt
you and your client, it's going to hurt him, it's going to hurt him, it's
going to hurt the City, so we've got to rethink it. I'm sure, I can't think
of any other way to go now, and we are going to get laugh Stubbins to go talk
to Barry Peterson and try to talk him out of appealing this thing and convince
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him, because otherwise... and convince Skippy from putting in a lawsuit to
stop the bifurcated system, and convince the Chamber of Commerce and the
State to go ahead with the bifurcated system and not fool around with this
thing the way it's going now. And Bill, let me tell you, I spent two hours
with Art Teal in Washington, on flonday, talking about the People Hover
Now, Hood tells me that the People Mover is absolutely essential for Southeast
to put up their building because SO% of the people that are going to be using
that building are going to come on that People Mover, according to your figures,
not mine, these are Hood statements, that's Hood making a statement. Now,
that's not the case, you know, that's the way I'm interpreting that this thing
is going. Now, let me tell you, Teel told me, -you guys in Dade County are
ready for a very rude awakening, I said -what are you talking about? He
said, -you really think that the Legislature with all you guys bickering -the
Chamber of Commerce saying they want a tunnel-$210,000,000, Mitchell Wolfson
says he wants a bridge...and he's got it all designed, you know?, it's a great
town, you've got all these lawyers that are land planners and designers, Dan
Paul thinks he is a great architect and a decorator and all this, you know?
He knows more about that than the law, and Mitchell Wolfson knows more about..
he knows that the answer is a bridge, absolutely, a bridge is the answer, right
over Claughton Island, a big George Washington bridge, and Alvah Chapman knows
for sure, and McMullin, it's got to be a tunnel, a tunnel-$210,000,000, and
the other one wants a bifurcated system and the other wants....and then Merrit
Stierheim says, -over my dead body, the first thing that we are going to get
is a crossing of the Miami River and Miami Avenue, that's going to cost
$16,000,000. We don't even have $16,000 000 for the crossing of the Miami
Avenue bridge, much less $210,000,000 for a tunnel, and the bifurcated thing
is now going down the drain because somebody slipped in a Micky Finn and pot
the spec changed and the specs say, let the bifurcation....Now, I've got my
suspicions as to how that happened, then the next one that comes along is the
People Mover, now Ed Mays up in the White House says, oh, that's bad news,
Los Angeles is a disaster, he said -no more People Mover for anybody, kill it.
Calls the Secretary, Secretary Lewis is out there, you know, and everybody
is screwing around and Merrit has now talked to the Senator and Eili Lehmann
had a rush meeting Saturday for three hours with Dru Lewis and we are not
going to call it People Mover anymore, that's the latest, we are going to call
it "the rose is not a rose it's a carnation". We are going to call it a dis-
tributor, and that's going to save it. No, no. God help us. In the mean-
time, here we are, creating more problems and more fights. The bifurcated
system is up in the air, the tunnel is up in the air, the bridge is up in the
air, literally, the crossing of the River we don't have enough money for and
now we've got a potentially dead People Mover and we are fighting?..We are
fighting?..This community? Ah, I'll tell you, we complain and cry an awful
lot but I'll tell you, if Atlanta got where it got it's because there was
some tough community leadership that was able to make decisions and if Baltimore
and Boston have done so many things that everybodv is so proud and thev brag
about is because people were able to come to some basic agreement, but if we
have a community where the Miami Herald just tears us apart every other day in
editorials in the community, and a Chamber of Commerce that is absolutely
scared to death of making decisions that are in any way controversial or that
the viper tongue of McMullin is going to cut in half, and everybody is just
worried to death to be criticized publicly, and so, here we go in a circle,
over, and over, and over again. We've got a problem and the problem is called
transportation, until we solve the transportation problems of Downtown Miami
we are not going to have a resurgence of Downtown, it's the number one project
for this community and the sooner we will recognize it and stop fooling around
trying to gut each other. and trying to slip one over the other guy and get
one leg up over somebody else, I think all of us are in for a lot of trouble
and I think we are not going to have the Southeast building, or the Gould
building or any other kind of a building and we've got to get over this.
I don't know what else to do but to just say, -well, we've got to pull back
a little bit and get somebody like Hugh Stubbins to help us think it through.
Mr. Gould: I think that it is important to resolve the problem and from our
point of view we are prepared to support the idea of bringing an architec-
tural critic and consultant into the process, there is no doubt in mind that
there is an impasse. They are two fundamental concepts that are different,
one is held by Southeast, the other is held by ourselves. Southeast is in
process —or will shortly be in the process of preparing alternative drawings
with respect to the second level pedestrian Plaza and Galleria and there is
no doubt in my mind that there is going to be a conflict between the two and
an impasse.
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Mayor Ferre: Well, Mr. Gould, I want to state time and again into the record
I am not either for Southeast or for you, I am for this community, and I am
for both of these parties moving ahead, but obviously we have some redefinitions
of things....
Mr. Gould: 'We are not against Southeast, I've said that a number of times,
we are not against Southeast's construction of their building, what we are
interested in is the City's definition of policy with respect to the urban
environment that it expects to have in the four -block area. Once that has
been done we will make our final decisions with respect to our design and
space allocations. If the City chooses to have a mixed -use, highly -active
pedestrian environment, then we think the logical conclusion from that is
that there will be a seond-level pedestrian Plaza that is connected with
Ground level and also connects all the buildings in Dupont Plaza, not simply
a series of bridges connecting the buildings so that people can walk from one
building without crossing the road. All we want is a policy decision and
then we'll complete this program.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, anybody else wants to say anything else?
Mr. Bill Colson: My name is Bill Colson, I represent Southeast Banks,
Colson & Haig, and the Concord Building. Mr. Mayor, if I sat silent, I
would assume that you might think that we don't have an opinion about this
and I have very strong opinions about..but I've taken two pages of notes
and I don't know whether to take the time to go point by point. I have
heard you quote Mr. Hood Bassett and I absolutely disagree with what you've
quoted about him. When you said that he couldn't build the building with-
out a Downtown People Mover because 6% of our traffic was coming from it.
That's specifically what you said that I disagree with.
Mayor Ferre: You know, since this is on the record and we'll get a trans-
cript of it and I'll talk to Hood about it I think that statement was made
in a phone conversation within this last week between he and I.
Mr. Colson: You and I disagree on his opinion so, I've talked to him, very
often, also. I think the important thing is that we are here today and it's
being postponed to discuss whether or not the Miami Center plan should go
forward and they've asked for a deferral. Now you have volunteered what you
would like to do, we have a Development Order of Southeast that says that
if Southeast and Miami Center could not agree at the end of 30 days, then
we were to come back here on February llth, and the City, according to our
Development Order., should appoint a Consultant to review the subject of the
pedestrian traffic. That is in our Order. We have said we have no problem
with that before it was adopted, we have no problem now, the Consultant is
to be picked by you and so that I don't mislead by anything that I say about
that Development Order, I certainly don't have it, but let me tell you what
I take strong objection to. At that same meeting, we sat here with 5 Com-
missioners, and you asked us and you in particular, Mayor, you asked us to
sign a piece of paper, we signed the piece of paper signed by Hood Bassett
and by Mr. Randolph personally of Gerald Hines. There were two representatives
here and one, the Vice President of Miami Center and the other,John Aurell,
and they told this Commission upon severe questionning that they had the
authority to sign that piece of paper. That piece of paper that this would
be public and that there would be some sort of a tax system. Now, �.c walked
out of here, we've had meetings, suffice it to say that next time we walk
in here and you and I haven't talked since then, I am told that Southeast
can'tagree and that we are not getting together because Chuck Bassett is in
Oregon or in San Francisco, the truth of the matter is he has been in Europe
and Chuck Bassett is prepared to do, with your consultant, if this City ap-
points, we are prepared to go forward and submit pedestrian plans, but I
think it's just a little unfair when Miami Center goes to the Downtown De-
velopment Authority and Mr. Gould personally tells all of us that that piece
of paper is t h a t. And then you tell us that we are not cooperating with
you.
Mayor Ferre: I agree with that.
Mr. Colson: Well, that's my objection to being told that the Southeast
Banks and Gerald Hines have not cooperated. We have cooperated every time
we have been asked to go to a meeting, we have shown up, we've got a lot of
stories said about us, -and I don't mean the papers, I'm talking about carrying
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tales to Commissioners and there are a lot of things that were said about
us, we have cooperated every time we've been asked, we are willing to go
forward, we've got what you've told us with the City's Planning Department
Development Order, we came in here and had five things asked on pedestrians
and we said "yes" to all five, you added a number 6 of a piece of paper we
signed and now we are being told that Southeast isn't just cooperating enough.
Now, I could tell you that I don't think that I have to go back to Mr. Rasset
and Mr. Ranna to say that when we own one block -and we are on the banking
business not the development business like Mr. Gould, we are in the banking
business- and when we want to move a bank 70 feet across the street and at that
time that's all we want to do and be in the banking business across the street
with some lawfirm offices and the county offices, to suggest that we stop now
after all these years and these months and all of this planning that you've
seen....
Mayor Ferre: Stop what, what are you talking about?
Mr. Colson: That we ought to stop and look at a mixed -use of our land.
Mayor Ferre: No.
Mr. Colson: Ch, you didn't mean that...
Mayor Ferre: I didn't say that at all, Colson, I don't know why you are
putting words in my mouth for, but that's not only not what I intended, I
didn't say it, it's very clear on the record, I'm saying that I am concerned
about the urban fabric of Downtown Miami. You know, my client, my client,
is the people of Miami...
Mr. Colson: well, so is mine, Mayor, I've lived here and I was born here...
Mayor Ferre: No, no, Bill, now look, you represent Southeast Banks and they
chose a very good representative and that's terrific and you do a great job.
That's got nothing ..you know, who I represent and who you represent is not
the point. I think the point in this is just simply that the City of Miami
has to define what the urban fabric of that general area is going to be, and
in my opinion, to put up one building, okay, or three buildings and not take
into consideration how those buildings relate to each other and how those
buildings relate to traffic and how those buildings relate to mass transit
is to create a montruosity that will, in the first place, never get built in
my opinion, that's my personal opinion.
Mr. Colson: Well, we've been doing it for 8 months, we have submitted
$600,000 worth of plans to the Regional Planning Council through your Plan-
ning Department.
Mayor Ferre: Bill, what is it that we are arguing about, tell me.
Mr. Colson: Well, if you are not saying that Southeast should stop and re-
consider a mixed -use then I misunderstood you and I apologize.
Mayor Ferre: I am not saying that at all, and I didn't imply that in any-
thing that I said, what I am saying is that in my opinion, the City of Miami
should retian somebody to do this thinking for us because evidently, in my
opinion, your architect and your clients and Mr. Gould and his architect are
not not going to come to an agreement, and you are completely reiterating
that opinion by not only what you are saying it but by the tone of how you
are saying it. You are telling me, again, that you are fighting mad and you
guys aren't going to come to any kind of an agreement, you are just telling
me by the way you are addressing the issue and in my opinion, now more than
ever, it completely confirms my belief that there is not going to be any
agreement between Southeast and Gould.
Mr. Colson: Mr. Mayor, can't you say it the other way? That we entered
into an agreement here at your meeting, at your request, and that agreement
is not going to be upheld by them. That's all I'm asking.
Mr. Gould: That's not true, that's not true, what I did was....Bill, I read
in the newspapers about our rejection of the special tax district, but we have
not rejected it, we have presented an alternative to you and in our opinion
represents a lower cost to the public community, that in fact it would have
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financial benefits to the owners of the property because of the fact that
depreciation is not taken into account in the event that the City owned that
piece of property. Now, fundamentally, I think that the question of whether
or not to use public financing or private financing for this should be
dependent upon whether or not the private financing can be used in order to
build the private function. What you are saying is you do not want to con-
sider the alternative. Well, that's fine, that's a decision in my opinion
that the public sector has to make, and that is the question of whether or
not the public sector wants to use taxes that might be used more beneficially
for example, for the employment of additional policemen than it is for the
construction and maintenance —that not only concerns construction, the mainte-
nance of the second level pedestrian plaza.
Mr. Colson: Mr. Mayor, you said something else about the bifucation that
concerned me. And I want to make sure that you don't have any feeling that
Southeast has changed its position on bifurcated.
Mayor Ferre: No, no, I don't think that Southeast...
Mr. Colson: You say you have a concern about it, now, if it's something new
that has happened, both Bob and I are mixed up by it.
Mayor Ferre: Let me say this on the record, that I don't think either you,
Bill, or Bob, are in any way involved but I think somebody has slipped a
mickey finn under this bifurcated plan. The whole matter was supposed to go
for a bid for a design. Now, somebody fooled around with the working and the
wording on the bid document says first to restudy, "first to restudy" whether
or not we have bifurcation. Now, how many times are we going to restudy and
restudy this thing. Now, who did that? I don't know, I don't know who did it,
somebody did it. Well, I'll tell you ... it's not you...
Mr. Colson: But it's not a reason not to go forward with the development
of Dowatown Miami, and let me tell you why, if the Development Order requires
that the developers in this, the two parties have to lend the money to get the
design done, so it's not..even if that happens, it's not the end of the world,
Barry Peterson and James Reid, they put that in there and so you are protected
on that, I don't think we stop because of that, and we are going to the Legis-
lature, we are very much for all of these traffic improvements, every one of
them that you've named, and we certainly recognize a Miami Avenue bridge
bifurcated and I want you to know that I don't believe that is going to
fail, Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: What's not going to fail?
Mr. Colson: The bifurcated.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, well, I'm glad to hear that. I'm very encouraged by
that. Mr. Paul.
Mr. Dan Paul: Mr. Mayor, my name is Dan Paul and I want to speak to you
on behalf of the forgotten property owner in the Dupont Plaza area, and that
is the Dupont Plaza Hotel. All of these interests have done all of their
planning including the bifurcated system without considering or consulting
the Dupont Plaza from the poinr of view of access and ingress and if the plan
as shown to us were built, the Dupont Plaza I1otel will not be able to get
out on 3rd Avenue and will not be able to have proper ingress or egress from
the Hotel. We strongly endorse the City's proposal to hire an architect to
review....
Mayor Ferre: No, no, not the City's proposal, because I've got to be very
careful these days, I used to be able to do these things sweepingly now
this is my proposal....
Mr. Paul: Your proposal, but I urge not to just name one architect in that
proposal because time is of the essence in this matter both to Mr. Gould and
to Southeast and the Dupont Plaza doesn't want to be the innocent victim, I
mean, we were there before either of these two people started building
walls around us so that we couldn't get either out or in unless we want to
come like a rat, through some tunnel, underneath our six -story garage. But
I strongly suggest is that you leave the selection of that consultant back
to the Commission... because if Mr. Stubbins turns you down then you've got
to wait for another meeting before you can come in and he may very well turn
YOU down.
Mayor Ferre: I would rephrase my motion that we go to Hugh Stubbins and
if Stubbins himself cannot dedicate time to this and it's firm, that the
Manager then come back with another nationally recognized architectural
firm.
Mr. Paul: Fine. The other thing that I request is that you issue, or the
Commission issue some instructions to the City's Planning Department and staff
that in the review of this particular project that the interest of the Dupont
Plaza must be considered from the point of view of ingress and egress, from
the point of view of future development of that property, and we insist on
having the same future right to have a ramp directly from I-95 and to what-
ever future garage may be built on the Dupont Plaza site. We have no present
plans for building anything else on that site but I think everybody knows that
in a period of time it's obvious that that site is going to be redeveloped
in a much more intensive way and we want to preserve our option in the design
of the bifurcated system to have a ramp coming directly into our garage as
the present ramp comes in to Mr. Gould's garage in addition to access to
and from our present building and to the pedestrian system, to the People
Mover and to the other developments which are being planned in that area
and unless that kind of instruction is given I'm afraid that we will continue
to be the forgotten citizen of Dupont Plaza.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Mr. Paul. Ladies and gentlemen, as you can tell,
there is only one person here our of the 5 in this Commission, so obviously
we don't have a quorum, we are just having a lot of fun talking to each other
and this is an interesting discussion, it's on the record though, even though
I guess it doesn't mean very much. I don't know when we will have a quorum,
so we will have to wait, it's almost 4:00 o'clock.
THEREUPON THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING
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MISSION FOUND TO BE PRESENT EXCEPT FOR
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Mayor Ferre: I think we have a Chinese puzzle situation here and I think
we need to get off of the dime and the way we can do it --of of dead center --
is by accelerating the provision in the Order which in effect says that the
City can retain an outside architect to look at this project, and I say that
rather than wait 30 days, I want to do that right now. Now, and instead of
spending a lot of time discussing and going through this whole process, ....
there are only about six or seven firms in the country that can do something
like this and three of them, or four of them are excluded because they have
conflicts, obviously Chuck Bassett and (inaudible) because they
work for Southeast, Pietro Velusky can't do it, I don't think Pei should do
it because lie's got another project, Johnson and so on, but there is one
major national firm which I think everybody respects very highly by the name
Hugh Stubbins who is, by the way, doing the County office building and there-
fore already knows Miami and I think we ought to name them and if they can't
do it then have the Manager come back with another national firm and move on
with it:, so...you know, obviously we need three votes so I would need one of
you to make that motion.
Mr. Carollo: What I would be ready to present some motions,Xavor. and vote
upon is the following: I would be willing to vote upon and selecting a firm,
consulting or architectural firm, such as we have discussed, however, the City
I don't feel should be held responsible to pay the fees that will be involved.
Mayor Ferre: That's already worked out in the Order.
Mr. Carollo: I understand that, I was going to go into that, since there
was a contract which was signed by both parties at the last Commission meet-
ing I think that should be looked to and both parties involved should pay
for that fee; the second point being that besides that, so we have more of a
check and balance, I would like to see a Blue Ribbon Committee of 5 individuals
from this community picked one by each member of the Commission so that we
could have a balance within that committee and they could themselves look at
the project, work together with whatever firm is picked and give their own
critique or what they have felt is good or bad in a critique of whatever the
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Consulting firm comes up with. I have no objections with going with the firm
that you suggested, Mr. Mayor, but the only concern that I have is the bidding
process, what happens there.
Mayor Ferre No, we will be retaining them only as a consultant, and I think
we can do that without getting into a professional selection process, we don't
have time for that, it would just take too long and I don't think..just let me
ask, we have three attorneys here representing three groups, actually Mr. Gould
or Mr. Aurell, do you, Mr. Paul, or do either you Bob or Bill, or John, object
to the firm of Stubbins?
Mr. John Aurell: Mr. Mayor, my name is John Aurell, representing Mr. Gould,
we do not object to that and in the event that the parties, the developers,
are required to pay for the consultant's fee, it would seem to me that the
City's bidding process would not become involved because the City is not
obligated to pay for anything, the developers are paying for it.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Bill.
Mr. Colson: We don't object to that name, I assume you are going to ask us
some other questions, but the name we applaud.
(INAUDIBLE STATEIMENT OFF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Mayor Ferre: You do not object to Stubbins, okay. So if you would make
the motion that it would be Hugh Stubbins and that if he is not available
then they would have to come back with a recommendation which you would have
to accept.
Mr. Carollo: Okay, if it's acceptable to all three parties and the City
Administrator and the City Attorney tells me that we are following a cor-
rect legal process I have no problem with that firm then. The only other
area that I want to make sure that all parties here are aware of and in agree-
ment with what is the consulting firm going to include in the scope of their cri-
tique and study, now, I think that even though I did not vote to give South-
east the Development Order at the last Commission meeting -I was one of two
people that voted against. that Development Order, I voted for a deferment -
I think that we have to be fair and we have to be bound by our word, not that
every other Commission meeting we are changing our stance until we have ap-
proved something. Now, if we are talking about a study by a consulting firm
I want to make sure that that study is going to be limited to the areas that
we need to look upon now and I'm willing to throw that up for discussion.
Mayor Ferre: It has to be the Dupont Plaza area.
Mr. Carollo: Without a doubt, we are talking about the Dupont Plaza area.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, that includes Skippy's Hotel, and that includes Southeast
and that includes the Gould projects, it includes everything....
Mr. Clark: Mr. Mayor, I'm sorry for interrupting; you but there is a ques-
tion that comes to my mind, and that is the consultant's competitive nego-
tiation Act, the Consultant's Competitive Negotiation Ordinance. I realize
that this is not to hire an architect to build a project....
Mayor Ferre: We are not going to pay for it either, Mr. Clark.
Mr. Clark: All right, that's the point now, if the other..if this is clear
on the record that the engagement will be by...
Mayor Ferre: Yes, sir, that's been stated on the record, Mr. Clark, by
the attorneys for both clients. Now, I think going back to the main ques-
tions, what is the scope of Stubbins' charge, it is to review the way these
buildings fit one with the other, and with special emphasis on pedestrian,
automobiles, and mass transit communications between... in all of this area.
Mr. Carollo: The point being, Mr. Mayor, that, you know, it's fine, they
are going to do a study and have the buildings fit with one another but,
you know, this is something that ...we are putting the bug before the horse,
we already gave a Development Order to Southeast, no matter what they come
back with, you know, we gave to Southeast a Development Order and unless
they want to change any other plans out of their own.......
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Mr. Carollo... free will, I don't see how we are going to be able to enforce
anything.
Mayor Ferre: Well, ok, see you weren't here when we went into that, Joe, so
let me repeat a little bit of it.
Mr. Carollo: And let me say this. I'm sorry that I wasn't here. I was delayed.
But I was not aware that this was going to be brought up for discussion this
afternoon. I was under the impression like everyone else that it was going to
be deferred.
Mayor Ferre: Ok, let me... well, the development order for Gould is being
deferred. What we are discussing here is something that I came up with which
I had not given you or anybody else any previous warning about. You are absolutely
right. Now, I think the point in all of this is that Southeast is going to be
coming back before this Commission periodically for different things. We
have to give them some variances on heights. Now, there are a lot of things
that there will be votes on. I think a... one of the reporters just came up
and asked me, well, do I all of the sudden have religion? Have I seen the
light? Do I agree with the concept? And somebody came up " I see that the
Herald's Editorial got to you. That's not the point at all. This is a Chinese
Puzzle and I think we are lock -grid right now. The whol-e thing is just
coming to a halt. There is no use waiting until it comes to a screeching
halt and everything dies for us to recognize that we got to do something to
move this. And the something to move it in my opinion is we need to get a third
party that has the respect of everybody around here to come up and say "look,
you know, may be this is an alternative". So I think there are two areas. One
is the relationship between all of these buildings and the second thing is the
architecture of it. I think we need to expand the scope to cover also and
architectural critique. For example, and I got this from you. Because you
are the one who said "well, we have got this parking garage that needs... we
need to think about that as to how... whether it's too massive, May be there
should be an opening or may be there should be a setback. I don't... I think
that this is an architectual critique area that I think should be studied.
And I think we need whether it's my opinion or your opinion or Dan Paul's
opinion, who may be a good lawyer, but I don't think much of as an architect.
I think we need to get somebody like Hugh Stubbins or somebody else like that
to give us an opinion.
Mr. Carollo: May be... let's get some input from both attornies and then let's
just throw our two cents into it and work out a workable compromise.
Mayor Ferre: Ok.
Mr. Bill Colson: Mr. Mayor, could I address a couple of points? One is that
the development order that this Commission with five members here voted last
time and the Commissioner has corrected. He voted against it. The other
four voted for. But it provides that in the event on the subject of second
level pedestrian circulation system that we haven't agreed by today that we
would come back here and that there would be a consultant. And it provides
that Southeast would be requirc,4 to jay under IDA, that we would be required
to pay seventy-eight thousand two hundred dollars. The proposed order for
Miami Center requires a larger amount. Said it is a subject of a pedestrian
circulation study. 1 think you would like to gut moving and you would like to
get the firm in place and I would respectfully suggest this, that you could
stay within this and let this be the scope of it and to start with and then
they would be called upon to share their part, we would be called upon, Dupont
Plaza would not hove to pay anything. 1,'e arc going to study the circulation
to the City Convention Center. Iliey wouldn't have to pay anything. We are
going to study Ball Point and they wuren't a party or there was discussion that
they weren't a }arty in this ether group. Now, there is another agreement
though, that. was t,{gned and it had to do with a public promenade and all of that
and it said that wu would share the cost on a fifty fifty basis. Now, I think
that Mr. Gould with whatever words he cliooses to say to you is not prepared
to tell you today that he will sipii Oiat agreement. So I would suggest that
we go first with tl,e atudirb that ary required of the two of us to pay for.
Not the City, not Dupont, r,ot others for those figures that are the maximums
and then I lave mother suggestion. Ok, then my other suggestion is that if
you want to enlarge it to tl,e subject of traffic, I would strongly request
that you not do that because of all the voluminous materials that we have.
We have got a Downtown People Mover that the contracts are like this. We have
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got problems in Washington and you are taking it...
Mayor Ferre: Bill, please, yes, because you misunderstood what I said. I
didn't say that at all. That's not what I meant. I don't want to reinvent
the wheel. I don't want for us to come back and do what Wilbur Smith already
did or what the other people movers studies did. When I mean transportation
I mean the whole spectrum of analyzing what has been done by everybody and that
is how it fits one with the other. For example, the pedestrianization. How
do people get from Dupont Plaza. Skip Sheppard says that he can't get out of
his hotel anymore. Well, is that true? I mean, he says it is. Now, you say
it isn't. Well, I don't know. Roy, says it isn't. Roy Kenzie may be wrong.
Mr. Colson: We don't mind any consultant, obviously, reading what the
bifurcated is. And we don't mind them reading what the Regional Planning
Council found in their studies or reading what the Planning... City Planning,
but start over with original studies we would do it. The other point that
I would make on it though...
Mayor Ferre: Well, wait a minute. There isn't an architect worth his salt
in the United States, major architectual firm that won't... Stubbins isn't going
to come down alone. He is going to bring somebody that he works with who has
an office in Boston or San Francisco or some place because they all do. Pei
uses Vince Poney up in Toronto or wherever he is. Ouebec. And the other guy
uses somebody else. They all have their specialist. Just like when you go
and do a big complicated lawsuit, that you may need a psychiatrist, you got
somebody that you work with, you know. And these people are not... we are
going to commission him. He is going to come down here with somebody that he
feels comfortable with to advise him and all we are saying is Stubbins you are
a recognized factor in the world as a major architect. We have a controversy
here and we don't seem to have an agreement. Help us... my interest in this
is help bring peace, ok? Let's see if we can get an agreement here in place.
Mr. Colson: Mr. Mayor, I think we are in agreement. I'm not asking that they
wouldn't obviously, study everything that's been done. What I am respectfully
suggesting is that this order if you stay with it is one that is in effect.
Now, Commissioner Gibson is in the hospital and he was here last time and he
has requested and thought that this was to be deferred. Commissioner Plummer
got up...
Mayor Ferre: The order is to be deferred.
Mr. Colson: Alright. Commissioner Plummer got up and left and thought that
this discussion of Miami Center and he asked that it be voted on before he
left and he thought that it was to be deferred. To change this...
Mayor Ferre: We are not voting on it Mr. Colson. What we are voting on is
a recommendation I would hope and we don't... I don't know whether it's going
to be a motion or not. We don't even have a motion yet. I would hope that
this Commission would vote and we need three votes as I understand it. That
this Commission would vote to accelerate the Process of getting a third party
in here that we all have confidence in to start the process of looking at the
relationship between all these buildings, one. And two, get involved in the
practice of an architectual critique. That's all.
Mr. Colson: We applaud anything that will not delay. And you are trying to
do that. I understand that.
Mayor Ferre: I don't want any delays either.
Mr. Colson: I know it. That's exactly what you are trying to do. I'm just
saying that just don't enlarge the scope of what's been done before and to start
over. That's all I ask.
Mayor Ferre: Ok. Mr. Gould?
Mr. Ted Gould: Let me just make one statement. What I'm interested in is the
City Councils making the statement with respect to a definition of policy
concerning urban design. We are prepared to support the employment of a
consultant. We w.,ill pay for our share of the employment of the consultant.
I don't think that you can specify... this is so important I don't think that
you can specify a number of seventy thousand dollars or a hundred thousand dollars
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Mr. Gould: (Cont'd)
and expect Hugh Stubbins to review the urban d-sign, the issues that are
involved and to come back with a reasonable response. I think that we are
businessmen here and we can conclude that the amount of time that will be
involved is going to be a reasonable amount of time. You are going to have to
pay him on a time and materials basis with reimbursable cost. Whatever the
cost associated with that is I'm prepared to absorb my share of it.
Mayor Ferre: Ok. Mr. Paul?' Since you are not involved in paying for it,
but you are an attorney for Sheppard and an interested effective party, so....
Mr. Dan Paul: Mr. Mayor, I think that you cannot limit the scope of what the
consultant has to do. His charge as to be the Dupont Plaza problem with the
buildings that will be built there 'and what's already in place and I think
you cannot just tell him he is to'study the second level pedestrian plaza and
expect to come out with any reasonable approach. I see no objection to having
the Citizens Committee or... and I see no reason not to proceed with the... getting
somebody in place as soon as possible.
Mr. Carollo: Again, I have heard both parties involved in this project that
I'm not quite sure that there is a concensus between both parties in agreeing
in the scope of the consulting that's going to be done. Mr. Gould has offered
to pay whatever it cost and that's a positive set. I think he is right. It's
going to cost more than what was quoted. I don't know if Southeast is willing
to pay above the figure that you mentioned. I think it's going to cost more
than that. This is one step. The other step is and I think it's the most
important one. Is are both parties in agreement of the scope that we are going
to ask this consulting firm to look into. You know, I have heard both of you and
I don't think you are both in agreement. Mr. Colson, Mr. Gould, am I basically
correct in what I'm saying?
Mr. Gould: Mr. Carollo, what I would like is a definition of policy with respect
to urban design for the four block area, alright? As far as I'm concerned
the City Council should define the scope of the consultants work. Now, I'm not
certain and I think you have to look at this from a practical point of view
that an architect of Hugh Stubbins stature, in doing an analysis of this
kind ---this is the second issue--- would be happy to have a citizens group
looking over his shoulder during the process. If after he has completed the
study you want to form a citizens group to review his report, that's the citizens
process. So I'm concerned about, you know, there are only five or six... as
the Mayor said five or six architects in the United States, perhaps the world
who are capable of dealing with these problems and providing you with the type
of information that you need in order to make... to define policy and I'm
concerned about the possibility of creating interference in that in his mind.
So I would like you to consider the possibility in preparing a motion of
simply employing a consultant to review the proposed urban design and make
recommendations to both the City and also to the parties who will be involved
in the construction of those buildings.
Mr. Carollo: Ok, what I'm referring to when I said a citizens blue ribbon
committee. It's not a committee Mr. Gould, that's going to be trying to
interfere or looking over the shoulder of the consulting firm. I don't think
that they should get. involved with the consulting firm until after the consulting
firm has finished the study, but before that they could be looking at problems
and solutions on their own apart from the consulting firm. This way we are
going to have two umbiased opinions, hopefully, to look at. And then .... the
consulting firm is then... then they can look at whatever they wrote and
critique that and point out the parts that they feel strongly about and whatever
weakness they might find there, but at no time did I intend for this committee
to be looking over the people's backs or interfering with their process. I
don't think that would be proper at all and I don't think any consulting
firm will take on the job if that would be the case. Ok, now, one more thing.
You stated that what you want to see is a consulting firm giving us their
critique of the urban design. Are you in agreement with that Mr. Colson?
Mr. Colson: No, sir, we have one block, Commissioner and we don't own parts
of that lot. We only own one building, one block. One block. And we can't
afford a million dollars a month delay while studying urban design.
we ,Fnt tn hreak ground in March 1981. (Remainder of statement inaudible -Not in
public record)
Mr. Carollo: But it is my understanding and I will let Mr. Traurig have mike
when I'm done. It's my understanding that at least from my perception looking
at it you are not going to be stopped now. You were given a development order
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to go ahead and start. May be I'm, you know, I'm missing the boat somewhere
in this, but you know, may be you could explain to me if I'm right in this.
Mr. Traurig: Mr. Carollo, may be we all are on the same wave length. I'm
not sure what the expression urban design means. If it means the interrelationship
between our building and Mr. Gould's building south of our building through
the use of our escalator and the DPM Station in order to have some kind of
an interface. We have always agreed to that and we will continue to do it.
If it means as Mr. Colson indicates a redesign of our building in order for
it to be architectually more compatible with his I call your attention de gustibus
no disputando, that's my form of bil<inQualism. It means concerning personal
pleasures and taste there is no dispute. We have got a right to design our
building. We have a right to give an architectual submission which may not
be completely compatible with this, but we have a right as an independent
party. But we do think that in the best interest of the City you should have
some kind of an interface and we have designed for that and we will be delighted
to have an outstanding architectual firm review the plans and see whether or
not they can be made compatible. We don't want to go beyond that point with
a review of the street system. That's an engineering exercise that's already
been done by the DDA, by the Regional Planning Council, by your Planning
Department, by the State, DOT and by Dade DOT. So that's already been done
It's been done ad nauseum. And we think it's all been reviewed so that it
works and will continue to work. But we are satisfied that if urban design
means that interrelationship that I just described, we want to pay whatever
our proportional share is and if the 782 isn't the correct amount, we want
to be fair and pay whatever the fair amount is.
Mr. Carollo: Ok. Mr. Mayor, based on what I have heard from the other parties
I will keep my motion as it is, but I would include in my motion that we will
have a consulting firm study the urban design and the interpretation of
urban design is the relationship of the Southeast project with Mr. Gould's
project and unless I hear any objections from Mr. Gould, I understand Southeast,
they just stated they are in agreement with that. What I would like to see
included in that and I understand what Mr. Traurig said as far as our limitations
are also and my main concern is in reference to the parking garage that, that
definition of urban design includes the kind of design that each building is
having also, particularly the parking garage. Now, that... are you still in
agreement in going ahead and paying whatever the amount is for a study of
urban design defining those terms? Mr. Colson? Mr. Traurig?
(BACKGROUND COMMENT INAUDIBLE)
Mr. Carollo: We are talking about a consulting firm coming in and doing a
critique of urban design, an architectual study. I am defining urban design
in this case as the correlation of your project with Mr. Gould's as he has
stated and the design of each building in your case you have been given
the development order already. I don't think, you know, the City is going to
be in the best shape to try to change anything if that's what is suggested
later on, but our critique of the design of all the projects, specifically,
the parking garage.
Mr. Reid: Mr. Mayor, could I suggest an approach here with respect to the
resolving the Issues that have been laid forward and there are several different
isnuer, aril we are trying to put them all in one basket, so to speak.
Mr. Carollo: .Jitn, excuse me, you know, go ahead that's fine, but I just want
to arc• if thr►t clef Init ion it; satisfactory to the Southeast attorneys.
Mr. 'Irt►ur fy,: The lw• ,.Innfny, of the definition was perfect. I think what you
did then wilts t(+ expr►n+l It to include a study of the parking structures that
Mr. Gould l+rc)pw►,e►+ rind we don't think that, that relates to Southeast. If
the (:fly frela th►►t, that oiiF.ht to be studied I think that you know, you
Should tape, th►►t r►ct ion, I)ut I don't. think we ought to bear the cost of a
atudy of Mr. t:oulcl'r, pe+rkin}:, So my answer to you is I like your
definition of the ntudy of the interrelationships between our property and
his and l+nrticularly the connections between them. but with regard to
Mr. Gould'e property, we shouldn't bear any of that cost.
Mr. Gould: Let me respond to the question. 1 don't think that you have the
authority to... from a legal point of view in the development of regional
impact process, alright, to evaluate design, architectual design, not thei s
or ours, alright. but that is apart from the issue because thr drawlnfa that
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you have seen that we have presented to you is part of this development of
regional impact process, the study, are not based upon architectual design.
What they try to do is to find circulation and function scope. The degree
to which the scope or the circulation and function would adversely affect the
environment. We are not now in a position, nor do we intend to sit down,
alright, and develop for you the working drawings that would be related to
the architectual fenestration of the facades. And those things have conditions
of building codes and winds conditions that are very complex. The only thing
that we can do is employ the best architect that we can find, alright, and
allow them to do it. You are discussing freedom of expression in a sense.
Ok. We are however willing to have an architect of Hugh Stubbins's stature
define general terms of the way in which the architectual design should be
formulated in relationship to the foot print of the buildings to their location.
To the relationship of circulation and function to the forms of the building,
alright, ok. The materials that are used in claddine the building are decisions
that have to be made by both the structural engineers and also our design
architects. Their functions of wind conditions and other factors. We are not
in the position as Southeast... I think prematurely he did, alright, to present
you with the design. There are conditions associated with what they did which
we think that will result in any case in revisions in design. Because among
other things they did wind tunnel tests without determining what the design of
our buildings would be and our buildings up -wind of theirs. Apart from that
I'm prepared to have a master architect of Stubbins's character define general
terms as policy the level of architectual quality that you should expect to
have and to adhere that quality as a recommendation to our architects. To
ask t'elusky in fact, to achieve the level of quality that is specified in
the, you know, in the scope of the work that is done by Stubbins. I'm not
prepared to say to you that the City of Miami should redesign their building
or redesign the buildings that we propose after they have been completed, alright.
Mr. Carollo: Well, I don't think that, regardless of whether you are correct
there or not in all he has stated on the legalities of this that Southeast is
going to agree with what I presented or what he have presented now. So I think
for the betterment of reaching at least some form of an agreement now that would
be a step in the right direction I'm just going to limit my motion in interpreting
urban design as what the Southeast people agreed upon. What Mr. Gould has
agreed upon as in relationship one project to the other. It's not.
Mr. Gould: That's fine.
Mr. Carollo: Are you all in agreement with that then?
Mr. Colson: Commissioner, I respectfully cannot agree to leave our development
order and I just don't want you to misunderstand. I think that the design of
all of the blocks of his can be interminable time. And I don't want to stand
and say that I agree to it. I don't want to agree to it when the other two
Commissioners aren't here and I... so please understand that's my reason for
not agreeing. I am for a consultant ,Ludy in just what is under this development
order that they designed, but to agree to something new I cannot do it sir.
Mr. Carollo: But Bob, I... I mean, Bill? 13ob is sitting; dovii. It's just
I was under the impression that from what Bob stated that you all were going
along with that definition of urban design.
Mr. Colson: We mislead you and 1 apologize. And I'm the one that's misleading,
not Bob. But I just think that the word "urban design" is built into
a study without any ends and...
Mr. Carollo- Well, what, what definition Mr. Colson, would you be happy with?
Mr. Colson: The pedestrian circulation system now and then to bring back the
contract at the next meeting and bring back a contract that the architect would
have and if he wants to put in what the scope will be, give us a chance to look
at it, we will obviously be here to take a position and hopefully, agree. Let
me repeat, I am not opposed to a consultant. I applaud a consultant. I have
been for it before I can,& into the meeting the last time and to solve pedestrian
Interchanges and all of that. But for it to stop or to say we voluntarily
agree to stop and study all of the Gould blocks, I... just please don't ask
me to agree to that. I can't.
Mr. Fosmoen: Commissioner,...
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Mt. Carollo: Mr. Gould, I see you shaking. I gather you are not in agreement
with his interpretation.
Mayor Ferre: And excuse me, for a moment, 'but Joe, if you will forgive me
because what we are going to end up doing here... I can just see it happening
very quickly now. We are going to start getting into an argument and that's
exactly what I was trying to avoid by getting Stubbins in and we are heading...
Mr. Carollo: It's been pretty calm so far to me.
Mayor Ferre: What?
Mr. Carollo: It's been pretty calm so far to me.
Mayor Ferre: No, it hasn't. Just because people don't raise their voices
doesn't mean that a lot things aren't being said here. And if you don't
mind I would like to get Reid and then may be the Manager and let's see if
we can find a... let's try and find another door to this.
Mr. Reid: What we are suggesting here Mr. Mayor, is there is really three
separate issues and one is the design of a pedestrian plaza that is based on
the assumption that the existing development program is going to go forward
and the job of that plaza is to deal with issues that the developers have not
yet agreed on such as the scope of the promenade, public versus private owner-
ship, the method of finance, security, all those things that have to be dealt
with if you are trying to design a pedestrian plaza other than on the back of an
envelope and nobody has done that to date. So that we need the contract for
the design of this pedestrian plaza and it should be done in a broad context.
The context of how the buildings fit and relate into one another taking into
account pedestrian movement, taking into account the auto movements as dictated
by the bifurcated system and taking into account the DPM. And to do that
study two ingredients are needed that we don't have right now and that we can
furnish to that consultant and they represent. the other two outstanding issues
that have been raised by the applicant and have been raised by Dan Paul in
conjunction with the Dupont Plaza Hotel. That is how can the bifurcated system
as it is proposed be modified to better serve the access and future options of
the Dupont Plaza Hotel, number one, and the question raised by Mr. Gould is the
public interest served by the present location of the People Mover System?
Now, those two questions can be... information on how to resolve those two
questions can be fed into the consultant by an existing City/County Task Force
that's been set up to resolve transportation issues in conjunction with Dupont
Plaza. So, number one, we are talking about a consultant study for the plaza
that we all agree is necessary, but we have been able to agree on the scope and
the financing and the ournership issues and that study should be done in the broad
context of how these buildings fit together, including Dupont Plaza Hotel and
the existing Southeast Building and Miami Center and our oum Convention Center
and it should have as input to it the DPM alignment, DPM location questioning
that resolution and the bifurcated modification. Now, that could be done with
the existing Southeast money that they have already been pledged in their
development order and by Mr. Gould, if he chooses to match that pledge raising
possible additional seventy-eight thousand dollars to fund our consultant land
the Southeast money could be pledgea in advance to us or 1AOWeVL1r they want Lo
work it. The point is we need this pedestrian plaza study that really
interrelates the buildings in addition to giving us a direction on the plaza
and we need these other issues resolved.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Manager?
Mr. Fosmoen: And there is only one thing I would add to that and that is a
suggestion that we ask a design consultant to evaluate the placement and shape,
the size of the major parking structures since they are the entrance way to
Downtown Miami.
Mayor Ferre: Ok, find. Alright, that's...
Mr. Fosmoen: Now, if I may sir, I would suggest that we contact Mr. Stubbing.
We try and put together a contract and we bring it back to you for your next
meeting where these issues will be spelled out.
Mayor Ferre: Ok. Is everybody in agreement with that now? You are in agreement.
You are in agreement. You are in agreement. Ok. 1
Mr. Fosmoen: And Mr. Gould nodding his head indicates that he is going to
raise another seventy-eight thousand dollars as his fifty percent match.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, I think that's going to be adequate too.
Mr. Carollo: Can we get both parties to the mikes and get it on record that
both parties are in agreement?
Mr. Traurig: For the record Robert H. Traurig, attorney for Gerald G. Hines's
interest joined by Mr. Bill Colson, attorney for Southeast Bank Incorp., we
agree to the proposal outlined by Mr. Reid.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, Mr. Gould?
Mr. Gould: Yes, I agree to the proposal and we are prepared to fund out part
of it.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, Mr. Paul? Paul says he is in agreement.
Mr. Carollo: Then that will be the motion. The only other thing included in
the motion is that we are going to have a Blue Ribbon Committee of five citizens
that will be picked one by each member of this Commission to keep a political
balance within that committee and so no one can say that it's leaning one way
or another and that the function of that committee will not be to interfere or
look over the shoulder of the people doing the consulting work, but will be to
look at the problems and solutions on their own and give their critique of
whatever they find positive or negative until after the consulting firm is
done with that critique that they could look at that as a committee and give
their recommendations on it. That's the motion.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, we have a motion on the floor, is there a second?
Mr. Lacasa: Before I second the motion I would like to see the reaction concerning
the Blue Ribbon Committee. Do you agree with that Blue Ribbon Committee?
Mr. Colson: At the cost to construct and delay of over a million dollars a
month I cannot agree to a committee after the consultants starting a new study.
I think the.intent is wonderful, but to say that I think that, that's a good
idea...
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Colson, a citizens committee has no jurisdiction either in
a court of law or before the County or before the City or before the State or
any agency. It is an advisory board to this Commission. I think what Cotrmissioner
Carollo, I think is saying is and I think it's an honest statement that since
he is not trained as an architect and has no architectual experience he would
like to have somebody that he has confidence in to function as a committee in
which he has the right to appoint one person. Lacasa has the right to appoint
one person. I have got the right to appoint one person to advise us as a whole.
Now, I see nothing wrong with ti:at and I think for us to start quivering over
this thing is not going to delay your project and for that not to be a part and
parcel we are Ft,tting again, into thi:, situation where we are getting into
another one of these grid locks, see. And believe me, the grid lock is going
to affect Southeast iiS we-11 as Gould, as wall as everybody else. And what I'm
trying to do is to try to keep this i.l,inp. moving. Not to stop it.
Mr. Colson: I undt-rstand. Could you put a, eVc n though I still would have, I
still have to have my opinion, but could you put a fifty day report time on it?
Mr. Carollo: I have no objection with tliat. I think there is plenty of time
and you know, in fact we could even call it Blue Ribbon Advisory Committee which
is what it's going to be. They can't take our place in making the final decisions.
Mayor Ferre: Ok, that's fine. Alright, is that acceptable? Alright, is there
a second?
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, is there further discussion, call the roll.
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Mr. Lacasa: In voting I want to make a few remarks here and is the following;
I have listened to all of these arguments. My position is this, I want to
see this development. I think that it is essential to the City of Miami. I
have a reluctances to accept that governmental bodies should undo saying on
whatever a man does with his property and how he wants to develop the property.
I believe that this particular project is important enough to the City of Miami
to deserve coordination between the developers. There is also a third party
directly involved which is Mr. Sheppard and his Dupont Plaza Hotel who's
interest I believe, should be protected. Granted those limitations I believe that
this Commission not only for the sake of these two developments, but also for
the sake of the image of the City of Miami as far as attracting other investors
and as far as keeping the image of a governmental body that respects the right
of the individual to develop his property in the way that he sees fit as long
as it does not conflict or violates any regulation of the building and
zoning codes of the City of Miami. And I feel that this is very important that
we preserve that image because this hopefully, will not be the last development
that we will see in this City and the system even though some wants to deny
it at least to some people the right the system in this Country is of free
enterprise and the system in this Country is of absolute respect to the property
of the people. So as much as I would like to see this project well coordinated
I want to insist on the fact that this vote here will respect the right of the
developers and that I don't want... at least that my position be understood
as one trying to impose undue restrictions and undue limitations on those rights.
taking advantage of the authority of the City of Miami to issue the development
order. So with that clarification I vote "yes" on this particular motion.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Carollo, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-106
A MOTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION INSTRUCTING THE ADMINISTRATION
TO CONTACT THE FIRM OF HUGE STUBBINS WITH REGARDS TO THEIR
AVAILABILITY AS ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANTS AND FURTHER
INSTRUCTING THE ADMINISTRATION TO COME BACK TO THE CITY
COMMISSION WITH A CONSULTING CONTRACT IN CONNECTION WITH THE
URBAN DESIGN OF THE DUPONT PLAZA AREA; FURTHER INSTRUCTING SAID
CONSULTANT FIRM TO LOOK AT HOW THE EXISING AND PROPOSED
BUILDINGS IN SUCH AREA FIT TOGETHER IN THE CONTEXT OF: PEDESTRIAN
MOVEMENT, AUTOMOBILES, AND THE DOWNTOWN PEOPLE MOVER; FURTHER
INSTRUCTING THE CONSULTANT TO REVIEW AND COMMENT ON THE
CONFIGURATION OF THE HOLYWELL GARAGE; AND, FINALLY, STIPULATING
THAT A FIVE -MEMBER BLUE RIBBON ADVISORY COMMITTEE, TO BE
APPOINTED ONE EACH BY EACH MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION, SHALL
MONITOR, REVIEW AND CRITIQUE THE CONSULTANTS' STUDY, SUCH REPORT
TO BE SUBMITTED NO LATER THAN 15 DAYS FOLLOWING RECEIPT OF THE
CONSULTANTS' STUDY.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Lacasa, Mr. Carollo and Mayor Ferre.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Mr. Plummer and Vice -Mayor Gibson.
FURTHER DISCUSSION:
Mayor Ferre: Oh, Mr. Peterson, do you want to say something to us.
Mr. Barry Peterson: Mr. Mayor, in relation... my name is Barry Peterson. In
relation to timing I would urge you to proceed as rapidly as possible. At this
time I see no way to avoid recommending to the Board of the South Florida
Regional Planning Council that the Southeast development order be appealed.
I think one thing that ought to be explored both by you all and by the City is
what would be the best action to take if it's p ossibic:, for- exhtnple, to
reconsider the action on the development order for Southeast, ti,at night be
preferable. I would suggest that you deliberate on t1lat and ket 1,hck with the
city people who will need to check and see. I think that, t1,a: ie c legal
course of action for them to take in this case. I'l;at u;ight allow us to avoid
the council formally taking an appeal. If that is not 1os�it:ir thht is the
recommendation I will make to my Board. And l 11;ii& Eivel; 0,v ttl iousnees of
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the issues outstanding with the Southeast development order they will probably
vote to take an appeal. If that occurs we have approximately a three month
time table before that runs out.
Mayor Ferre: Well, I don't think that there is anyway that this Commission
of three members can vote in anyway to reverse or revoke any action that it
had previously taken.
Mr. Peterson: No, I don't think it does either. What I was suggesting is
that you might consider whether that would be more desirable than having the
council taking an appeal.
Mayor Ferre: In other words, you are saying that would be. It would be better
for the City to reverse itself rather than...
Mr. Peterson: I think it might be and it might also be better for the applicant.
And what I'm suggesting is that you seriously consider that.
Mayor Ferre: I'm sure the applicant is not going to agree with that.
Mr. Traurig: Mr. Mayor, I think it's necessary for the City Planning Director
and for Mr. Peterson and his staff and for the applicant to meet to find out
what language Mr. Peterson complains of. I'm not sure yet, although I have
had some brief discussions with him and with Mr. Reid. We hope that we can
accomplish that meeting next week and then we will understand exactly what
is being proposed. If we feel that some minor change in language would serve
the purpose suggested by Mr. Peterson and that is to avoid the appeal and still
get the project moving promptly. We would join with your Planning Department
in urging that change in the development order, but I'm not sure what the
language changes should be and therefore, we would await our meeting with Mr.
Peterson and his staff and Mr. Reid and his staff to determine that.
Mayor Ferre: And then we will take it up on the 26th. By that time Barry
we should have five members of the Commission present and then we can... I
think it will be a better way of doing it, ok?
45. CONFIRM SUPPLEMENTAL PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT ROLL:
DELAWARE SANITARY SEVER IMPROVEMENT SR-5390-C
Mayor Ferre: Alright, we are now on Item lit which is a resolution confirming
a supplemental preliminary assessment roll for the Delaware Sanitary Sewer
Improvement. Is there anybody here who wishes to speak to that item?
Alright, seeing none, is there a motion? Is there a motion for resolution...
Item l/2?
Mr. Lacasa: Move.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, moved by Lacasa, is there a second?
Mr. Carollo: Sanitary sewers?
Mayor Ferre: Yes.
Mr. Carollo: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Further discussion, call the roll on Item 2, please.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa, who
moved its adoption:
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RESOLUTION NO. 61-1.07
A RESOLUTION CONFIRMING A SUPPLEMENTAL PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT
ROLL FOR DELAWARE SANITARY SEWER IMPROVEMENT IN DELAWARE
SANITARY SEWER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT SR-5390-C (CENTERLINE
SEWER); FURTHER REPEALING SECTION 4 OF RESOLUTION NO. 80-895;
SAID CONFI!Z ATION OF A SUPPLEMENTAL PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT ROLL
BEING NECESSARY TO INCLUDE A CERTAIN PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY OMITTED
FROM THE ORIGINAL PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT ROLL
(Here follows body cf resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution Was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Carollo, Mr. Lacasa and Mayor Ferre.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Mr. Plummer and Vice -Mayor Gibson.
NOTE FOR RECORD: AGENDA ITEM 3 WAS DEFERRED
46. GRANT $5, 000 TO 11AITIXN AFRO-DL'tENSION CO.PIITTEE
FIRST A1;tiUAL CARNIVAL
Mayor Ferre: Alright, then we will hear the Haitian which is Item 1A, Mr.
Pierre Joseph, Secretary of the Haitian Afro Dimension Committee requesting
in -kind service.
Mr. Pierre Joseph: Honorable Mayor and Commissioners, my is Pierre Joseph,
454 Northwest 82nd Street. I am here on behalf of the Haitian Afro Dimension
Incorporated primary sponsor of the first annual Haitian Carnival in Miami.
Because of my accent may I ask Ms. Haiba Jbali our coordinator to speak for
me?
Ms. Haiba Jbali: Haiba Jbali and my address is 6031 Northeast 5th Avenue. And
I would like to reiterate that I'm here on behalf of the Haitian Afro Dimension
Incorporated which is a non-profit organization that hired my services to
coordinate and promote the first annual Haitian Afro Dimension Carnival. The
first annual Haitian Afro Dimension Carnival has been schedulcd for Sunday,
March 1, 1981 from noon until 7 P.M. to start at NOrthWL'st 2nd Avenue and 62nd
Street proceeding to North Miami to 54th Street and back to 1corthvest 2nd
A-.enue along 57th Street. And we do have a map to indicate that. route. The
members of the Haitian Afro Dimension Committee are a group of first of all
a President is an artist, Wilfred Ignace, Vice -President is `i. Frall(vs Pierre.
He is a bookkeeper. The Secretary is Mr. Pierre Joseph whom you already met.
The Treasurer is Mr. William Hemmingway who both is employed and has a
business of his own. lis. Asin Omega is a Tailor. I would li1.t.- to explain
the map if everyone can see it. First of all I would like to Lay that the
reason why the carnival was initiated was because the Iiaitian Afro Dimension
Committee organized themselves as a non-profit cultural, educational and sports
organization to promote the culture and the tradition of the Haitian people
as a part of the American society as they are now. The idea of the carnival
as celebrated in most of the Caribbean Nation is to pause for time of fun and
rejoicing and to share the folk culture of artisans, craftmt:n, artist, musicians
bands, cuisine and providing a business opportunity for vendors. Social,
political and economical differences are usually dispelled and the whole
community participants in merry making and dancing in the ttrcctb with a
dazzling array of costumes and floats. The local basis of t),r Haitian Afro
Dimension Carnival is to recreate a more position image of the Haitian community
that now numbers nearly fifty thousand. A carnival in Miami of this sort
Will allow Haitians to work together on a common project with other ethnic
groups of the community while exposing their true culture, inventiveness,
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history, traditions and inherit work as a tourist attraction. As I said before
the organizers of the carnival are a group of Haitian people who want to work
for the betterment and improvement of their community. The first annual Miami
Haitian Afro Dimension Carnival has received the support and endorsement from
a number of organizations and individuals of high standing in the community
and this endorsement includes the... Father Gerard Juste, Mr. Emile Minne
who is a Haitian born editor of Black Enterprise Magazine a nationally and
internationally well-known Black business periodical, Dr. Francena Thomas
of Florida International University and the Dade County Council of Arts and
Sciences who will be the carnival mistress of ceremonies. Also the written
approval of Mr. T. Willard Fair, President of the Urban League of Greater
Miami, Ms. Adrian McBeth Executive Director of the Urban League Leadership
Development Center, Mr. Dorian Cooper Executive Director of the Model Cities
Center for the Cultural Arts who will also be one of the masters of ceremony,
Mr. Larry Mahony who is interested in promoting the development of Haitian
and Cuban refugees through the Haitian/Cuban Task Force. The Latin Chamber
of Commerce has also given us their verbal approval and recoruendations for
the carnival as an opportunity for the Haitian community to also involve the
Latin community and the approach to the carnival is to include a parade of
costume marchers, bands and floats for the entire route designate while food,
soft drinks, arts and crafts will be sold in vendors booths along North Miami
Avenue betweQn Northwest 62nd Street and 54th Street. A parade permit has
already been received from the City of Miami Police Department that must also
provide twenty-six designated officers for the blocked off areas as s1low►i on the
map. The Carnival Committee seeks in -kind services of available policemen
on the scheduled date of the event as well as a fee waiver for sanitation
services that have been given an estimated cost by Mr. Jim Bodgeman Assistant
Director of the City of Miami Sanitation Services Department. The King and
Queen pageant has been planned prior to the carnival on February 21st at the
Robert A. Ballard National Guard Armory. At the original submission of the
proposal it was given that it would be at the Dupont Plaza Hotel in order to
keep down cost, because all of the sponsorship so far as come from members of the
Haitian Afro Dimension Committee as well as other members of the community.
Mostly private individuals although there was some businesses also. It is
expected that about six hundred people will attend the crowning of the King
and Queen who will reign on the royal float at the carnival parade. Ok, again,
the complete map of the area has been charted as you see here and the actual
parade route would begin on 62nd Street and Northwest 2nd Avenue which is in
the area of Miami Edison High School. It would proceed down 62nd Street to
Miami Avenue where the main events including the vendors and the parade will
take place. The yellow lines indicate the vendors booths and it's been
estimated that approximately three hundred fifty vendors booths will be
included in the area. The parade route will come down the deep black line
down to 57th Street and over to Northwest 2nd Avenue where dispersal would
occur. The other areas in the yellow would go down to 54th Street and this
is in compliance with the City Police Department in trying to avoid blocking
off too many streets in the area for the residents in the area. The sale of
approximately three hundred vendors booths at a cost of twenty-five dollars
each has been announced to defray cost for the events. This estimated return
is outlined in the budget which follows, ok, on the pages given. According
to the breakdown of the cost the total estimated budget for the carnival
would come to...
Mr. Carollo: Eighteen thousand four hundred eighty-seven dollars.
Ms. Jbali: Right. Except it's less that because it's now fifteen thousand
five hundred twenty-six and the reason is because they decided to eliminate
the Dupont Plaza as the location for the King and Queen Pageant. Instead the
Robert A. Ballard Armory at a cost of five twenty-five as opposed to four
thousand dollars for the Dupont Plaza and that's reason why it is decreased.
Mr. Carollo: The bottom line is that you are asking for five thousand dollars
from the City Commission plus the in -kind services of the City of Miami
Police Department and the Sanitation Department in addition to two show mobiles
and one bleacher stand.
Ms. Jbali: Ok, it's not five thousand in addition to police and sanitation.
It's inclusive of police and sanitation, two show mobiles and the bleacher.
Mr. Carollo:, So, the bottom line is five thousand dollars?
Ms. Jbali: Right.
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Mr. Carollo: Well, I don't think you have to go any further to convince me.
I think that if this Commission has approved much more money than this in other
occasions for other different groups within the community that we would be
doing a great injustice and showing a great prejudice if we did not approve
this today. We are only talking about five thousand dollars and I have seen
groups come here and get much more than this. So, I'm willing to move this
if someone will second it and there is a third vote of the Commission for it.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, there is a motion, is there a second?
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, under discussion. Mr. Manager?
Mr. Fosmoen: Well, what they are asking is slightly in contradiction to the
existing City policy. We were prepared to recommend funding to the level
of nineteen hundred fifty-two dollars which would then conform to the City's
policy. I believe that the lady has already indicated that they have made a
substantial saving by shifting the location of the ball from the hotel to the
armory.
Ms. Jbali: Ok, can I interrupt at this particular point?
Mr. Fosmoen: And I think perhaps we should consider a reduction in out
contribution by the am,)unt that they have saved by moving the ball.
Ms. Jbali: Ok. Now, I would like to speak at this particular point because
at the time that we first spoke with the Police Department on two occasions
as a matter of fact, we were given figures of thirteen dollars per hour for
twenty-three officers, plus fourteen dollars an hour for three officers, two
Sergeants, one Lieutenant. Since that time which came to a total of two
thousand three hundred eighty-seven dollars since that time that number has
been increased.
Mayor Ferre: Ok, Haiba? Haiba? You don't have to go into all of that. You
heard a motion and a second and you have got my vote and I... so let's not
- get into a big discussion about it. And I think that the point is simply
this... I would like to make a motion after this to see if we can next year
get some control on this. But I think it becomes not an emotional issue, but
an issue that is perceived as one of justice, you know. And I think with the
difficulty that we have in this community these people have come in and they
have requested. There is a big Haitian community here. for us to start Iuibbling
about whether or not it's eleven hundred dollars more or eight hundred or three
thousand dollars or what have you, you know. Let's move along. Call the roll.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Carollo, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-108
A MOTION GRANTING A REQUEST MADE BY THE HAITIAN-AFRO DIMENSION
COMMITTEE, PRIMARY SPONSOR OF THE FIRST ANNUAL HAITIAN AFRO -
DIMENSION CARNIVAL, IN AN A]FOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $5,000 IN
CONNECTION WLTH 1111' HOLDING uF SUCH CARNIVAL, NOW SCHEDULED
TO TAKE PLACE T11E IST OF t,RCH, FROM 12:00 NOON TO 7:00 P.M.,
SAID AMOUNT BEING INCLUSIVE OF IN -KIND SERVICES SUCH AS
AVAII-ABLE I'01.ICEMEN' ON CARNIVAL DAY, FEE WAIVER OF SANITATION
SERVICES, '1V0 SHOW-MOBILFS AND ONE BLEACHER STAND.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Carollo, Mr. Lacasa and Mayor Ferre.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Mr. Plummer and Vice -Mayor Gibson.
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FURTHER DISCUSSION:
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, excuse me. I have stated many times in the past
especially all during last year over our budget meetings that we had that we
have to get a hold of, of the policy of handing money to everyone that comes
to this Commission. The problem has been that since we have not done that
I'm not going to sit here then and you know, show prejudice in that sense to
any one group. So until this Administration comes with a firm policy that's
going to say "no" down the line, then I'm going to take this posture.
47. REQUEST AD,1INISTRATION 1-0 RETURN: wl'rH PROPOSED POLICY TO DIAL
WITH ENTIRE SPECTRL`"1 OF FESTIVAI.S, PARADES AND OTHER SOCIAL
EVENTS -CITY PARTICIPATION OF $5,000 OR MORE.
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Mayor Ferre: Ok, here is the way... you see, because the Administration is
not supposed to have set policy. We are suppose to set policy. I would like
to make a motion that reads like this and I guess technically you are the
senior member right. So I would like to move the following motion. Mr.
Manager, I want you to help me on this. I want to move that the Administration
by the second meeting of March come back to the City of Miami Commission with
a total recommended policy that be adapted by this Commission to do the following;
(1) That an Advisory Board of one member per Commissioner, appointed by each
Commissioner and the President of each organization that we give five thousand
dollars or more to presently to deal with the whole spectrum of Folk Festivals,
Fairs, Parades that I know of. We have Calle Ocho, Three Kings--- I don't know
-1liether we give them money or not--- but three kings, Dow-ntou-n Open House
which is put on by the Downtown merchants, Kwanza, Goombay, the International
Folk Festival and now the Haitian group. Now, those are seven groups.
Mr. Fosmoen: Edison Little River, Edison Commerce Association.
Mayor Ferre: That's right, the Edison Little River Festival, Octoberfest.
What else? Does Wynwood have a festival?
Mr. Fosmoen: St. Patrick's Day, Chopin Festival.
Mayor Ferre: St. Patrick's Day. Whoever we give five thousand dollars to
or more and I think we should just try to hold it to that for now. And
I think there are probably a dozen that we are doing that way. I would guess
just off of the top of my head that this City is spending at least a one hundred
fifty thousand dollars, may be two hundred thousand in these type of activities
and I think we ought to have a joint set policy for everybody and we ought to
discuss the relative merits about population, percentages, who gets what,
when they are held, whether or not we can consolidate one or two of these
functions. Whether or not we can get the... the Miami Musuem of Natural
Science just had a super duper folk festival which is in direct conflict with
the City of Miami's Folk Festival, you know. They had it in February, in May
we are supposed to have our Folk Festival. It's a total duplication of
effort. It achieves the same thing. It tries to reach the same market and
you know, on and on and on. I think we need to kind of sit down and think this
thing through and try to coordinate these different functions. That's not
to say that I'm for the Haitians and against Kwanza. That's not to say that
I'm for Kwanza and against the Goombay or you know, there is room for all of
them, but we need to coordinate it. And I would like to make that as a motion.
Mr. Carollo: Second.
Mr. Lacasa: Please, call the roll.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Ferre, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-109
A MOTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO COME
BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION NO LATER THAN MARCH 26th WITH A
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A POLICY RECOMMENDATION TO DEAL WITH THE ENTIRE SPECTRUM OF
FESTIVALS, PARADES AND OTHER SOCIAL EVENTS WHEREIN THE
CITY OF MIAMI PARTICIPATION INVOLVES EXPENDITURES OF $5,000.00
OR MORE TO ESTABLISH A UNIFORM POLICY GOVERNING THESE FESTIVALS.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Carollo* Mr. Lacasa and Mayor Ferre.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Mr. Plummer and Mayor Ferre.
*ON ROLL CALL:
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, I'm glad that you are taking the position that I
took months ago. I welcome that.. "Yes".
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48. PERSONAL APPEARANCE: MRS. ANN-MARIE ADKER, REPRESENTATIVE OF
OVERTOI,,'N RESIDENTS, REGARDING PROBLF'-iS IN
T11E OCERTOWN AREA
Mayor Ferre: Mrs. Adker, I will recognize you. You were on the agenda
first. Go right ahead. Yes. You go ahead. Mrs. Adker is on Item 1B.
I thought that you were not going to be with us today, but go ahead. Alright,
go ahead Mrs. Adker. Do you think your presentation will take more than
five minutes?
Mrs. Ann -Marie Adker: I have six subjects I want to discuss.
Mayor Ferre: Ok.
(BACKGROUND COMMENT INAUDIBLE)
Mayor Ferre: Try to do this as quickly as you can because we have got
a lot of people waiting on important issues.
Mrs. Ann -Marie Adker: I am Mrs. Ann -Marie Adker and I live at 238 Northwest
8th Street. I was called on by residents of Overtown with the problems
of housing, employment, Community Development Administration, Overtown
Response Center, Overtown Interim Assistance and the City of Miami Police
Department. The last time I was here I brought before you a problem
with the housing that Mr. Thomas Post is buying. However, we are looking
further into that and I'm not able to go into that at this time. Housing.
Within the boundaries of Overtown are numerous amount of unoccupied, but
structurally sound apartment buildings, if renovated will give some
residents an option to remain in the area. Sometime ago in 1979 we did
a survey along with two city inspectors on apartment buildings and we
found this to be fact. The housing I'm talking about is not in the
redevelopment area. Employment. Though we have worked very hard in the
community in getting a percentage of our high school dropouts to go back
for their GED. There is still a lack of skills or educational qualifications
that causes a handicap in getting better paying jobs that can put us in
a different status economically in our community. May be the City can
help us in some way as I go along in some of the programs. I have something
else to say. Community Development Administration. In May 1977 the
City of Miami became independent to receive a block grant from H.U.D.
This being a federal grant designated to help poor and blighted areas
I'm quite sure Overtown, then called "Culmer" was used extremely well
in the statistics sent to Washington. There are many questions that need
answers now. We find that there are exorbitant salaries in the administration
that comes off the top. We would like to know what are the qualifications
within the CD Administration that Blacks cannot qualify for an administrative
position when the areas in the City are either Black or Hispanic. The
Executive Director some time ago made a commitment to the Community
Development Board of Overtown to hire a person as assistant to her. The
City of Miami should do some investigation instead of the Federal Government.
Our basic complaint is this Community Development Administration is
insensitive to the needs of communities they serve. Overtown Interim
Assistance with the jobs program as a component. The proposal presented
to the Community Development Task Force funded in 1977 was designed to help
property owners and many jobless in our community. We realize funded
programs have a tendency to fail in areas like Overtown, but we question
the Community Development Administration in their contribution towards
that failure. Was the program director given this position because of
administrative capabilities or seniority? As of December 31, 1980 there were
no Overtown residents on staff. The residents from Overtown are usually
put into a CETA position that after the allocated months are in a position
far wcrse than before CETA. It is a cruel injustice when people are
terminated without any skills that can help them obtain a job in the
private sector. The basic problem funds allocated in salaries by CD does
not help the community economically because the money leaves the area
through the high paid staff. Overtown Response Center. Prior to the
Citizens Participation Administration's take over of this office it was
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the center of activities. It was manned by three staff members and was
able to handle most problems in the community. A direct relationship to
this office was felt by the community. This office can once again become
a viable source to many needed citizens. As it's being used now it is of
no benefit to the citizens. It's a referral office at present. The City
of Miami Police Department. Overtown has had a crime prevention program
for years, but without the cooperation of the Police Department. However,
I will say this. For the past six months we have gotten a little
cooperation from the Police Department through a new program that they have
there. Break ins, muggings are reported and in most cases the Police
Department does not respond. However, a commitment was made by the Police
Community Relations Department to upgrade the relationship between the
community and the department. Many times citizens call the police when
crimes are in its first stages and by not getting response the crimes are
committed. Mr. Mayor, I wish you would take, and the Commissioners, I wish
you would take these problems under consideration. We need your help.
You know, for twenty years now I have watched my community just deteriorate
into what we call now the "golden slums".
Mayor Ferre: Alright, thank you, very much, Mrs. Adker for your statement
and once when it's transcribed we will send you a copy. Would you make
sure that once this transcript is done that you send her a copy of the
statement. And we will be talking to you again.
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49. SECOND PUBLIC HEARING:
7TH YEAR CO*2iiJNITY DEVELOP?TENT FUNDING
APPROVED WITH AMENDMENTS
Mayor Ferre: Alright, we are now, Mr. Manager, on Item #5. You can proceed.
Mr. Fosmoen: Mr. Mayor, this is the second public hearing on the 7th Year
Community Development Program. There is a resolution before you today approving
the plan with any amendments that you may wish to make in it. Our time line
is such and it's not our time line by the way, it's the federal requirements
for review by the various regional bodies and by the State and by the Feds
is such that we do require an action today. I would point out to you that
if there are issues that come up what you are passing on is not cast in
concrete. Now, it's been our practice in the past to take back to the Co=unity
Development Target Area citizen participation boards recommendations for chang,iny;
and funding. We have met with them since your last public hearing and we have
a series of recommendations and some changes in funding. If there are additional
changes that occur today I would recommend that the Commission act on thole
in the way of a motion of intent and give us an opportunity to take those back
to each of the CD Boards for their review and comment and if necessary we
can amend the application from now on until the Feds approve it or even into
the fiscal year. Ms. Spillman will go through with you our recommendations in
response to the citizens comments from the last meeting.
Ms. Spillman: Alright, I'm going to review briefly with you what took place
at our last public hearing and tell you what staff's response is to those items.
Mayor Ferre: Go ahead.
Ms. Spillman: The Allapattah community recommended that the City fund only
one economic development group for fifty thousand dollars. The staff concurs
with that recommendation. Allapattah community also recommends that the fifty
thousand dollars previously allocated for economic development fund the Crime
Prevention Program in the neighborhood. We have reviewed that proposal and
are not in agreement with it. The Police Department is currently operating an
LEAA Program that does a similar kind of thing in the neighborhood and we feel
it would be a duplication of services, plus it would be a new social service
program. The Allapattah community also recommended that the funding of the
Elderly Service Program be increased by twenty thousand dollars. Staff does
not concur with that recornendation. However, in light of the requests from
all the target areas for additional funding for social services we are prepared
to recommend a ten percent increase in social services as opposed to a five
percent increase that we had previously recommended with the understanding that
the funds must come from within the target area. Coconut Grove, we have received
a new proposal in Coconut Grove that did not go through the citizens participation
process. I have discussed this matter with the people who made the proposal.
They are going to go back to the CD Board and we can come back to you a, a later
date with a recommendation on that matter. The Downtown area recommended an
increase in funding for the Elderly Program approximately twenty-seven thousand
dollar increase. Again, we cannot concur in this high of an increase. However,
we will reconuriend a ten percent increase as opposed to the five percent we had
previously recommended. The Downtown area also feels that parking is the
worst Droblem. They wanted funds allocated approximately two hundred thousand
dollars from COTTUM nity Development to help solve this problem. Our response
to that is that a bus service or tram itself is not eligible to be funded under
Community Development and we must address the needs of low and moderate income
people. We don't feel that the parking problem is such a... of that nature.
The City as you well }:now is working on the parking problem anywe.y. Edison
Little River, it was recorm%ended that the Economic Development Organization in
Buena Vista receive additional funding so that they would be at the same level
as the Little liver Cou.=,ercc Association. Staff recommends that each group
get fifty tl,c'usai;d dollars which is consistent throughout the target areas.
Mr. Fosmoen: And also our reason for not recomiending an increase in funding
is that Edison Little River serves an area outside of the City of Miami in
unincorporated Dade County and that's the reason for that source of funding.
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Ms. Spillman: Alright, Little Havana gets a little complicated as usual. e'en
percent increase was requested for all social service programs at the last
hearing. We concur with that increase. However, since that time the community
has voted for additional funds for three agencies. The Little Havana Outreach
Office, Action Transportation Program and a new program County Accion which
was also... Accion. We cannot agree with the recommendation that these agencies
be given funding at the high level requested because there is no fund. There
are no funds. And let me explain this to you. It has always been your practice
to tell people that when they wanted to increase a program they went back to
their own community and took the money out of their community. Little Havana
has no money to take from. All Little Havana has are social service programs
and Latin River Front Park. We cannot cut Latin River Front Park as you well
know. So there is no place from which to take any increases in social programs
in Little Havana.
Mr. Fosmoen: In addition to that Mr. Mayor, I must tell the Commission that
if we continued fund social service programs at the level we are in Little
Havana we run the risk of having the application rejected. Federal guidelines
are quite clear that social services must be in support of a physical improvement
program.
Ms. Spillman: Model Cities, it was requested that the Talcocy Program receive
almost a forty thousand dollar increase in funding. Talcocy is a unique
situation because they are responsible for operating the City's Talcocy Center
in Model Cities. As you are aware that particular project is currently being
expanded through the Parks for People Bond Program. We have reviewed Talcocy's
budget and are recommending that twenty-five thousand dollars from the street
design project be transferred to Talcocy so they can bear the additional
responsibility they will have to bear. Overtown, there were no problems with.
Wynwood, there was a request to increase the Child Care Program by twenty thousand
dollars to create a new component which will be transportation. Again, we
recommend a ten percent increase for the program, but not twenty thousand dollars
more. And there was another item that was brought up that we are working to
resolve that is not a part of the 7th Year Program. So I don't think we have to
discuss it at this point. And that's where we are at, at this moment.
Mayor Ferre: Ok, we have Edison Little River, Betty Graham. Do you want to
add anything to any of this?
(BACKGROUND COMIENT OFF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Mayor Ferre: Alright, thank you, very much Ms. Graham. Coconut Grove, Fredrica
Brown? She is not... Overtown... Wynwood, Jose Mendez. Mr. Mendez, you got
any problems you want to address?
(BACKGROUND CO!�LMENT OFF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Mayor Ferre: Fine. You are the Chairperson.
Mr. Jose Mendez: My name is Jose Mendez and I'm the Chairperson for the Wynwood
community. I reside at 280 Northwest 34th Street. I want to thank this Commission
for working with the Wynwood community this particular year so diligently.
I'm sure that my colleagues would agree with me that we are not all together
satisfied, but due to the circumstances ai,2 the budget cuts I think that we
have made a lot of accomplishment with the staff of the City Community Development.
So again, I just want to go on the record and say thank you and I hope that in
future we would be able to maintain this relationship.
Mayor Ferre: Evaristo Marina, Chairperson of Little Havana.
Mr. Evaristo Marina: My name is Evaristo Marina, Chairman of the Little
Havana Community Development area. I reside at 2445 West Flagler Street. I
do not want to shock anybody Mayor and Commissioners. But I have a duty. I
represent a community. I don't want my community to feel disappointed with
me. I was elected by my community. I'm a businessman too, I understand things.
I understand the Economy. But because I understand the Economy I also understand
that with inflation some of the programs that we have in Little Havana cannot
give the services that they have to give to the community, because we have a
different situation... it's a complete different situation from Little Havana
and other communities. Due to the Mariel/Key West boat lift, the Nicaragua
refugee problems to the inflation, first on the people who live on a fixed
income to look for assistance we have more than our share of problems.
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If you remember in the last meeting people from Accion which is different from
Action are two different problems. People from Accion came to this meeting and
you referred them to our meeting of the community center. They attend the meeting
in the community center and the people believes that everybody the same. We
have no exception. All the people were present at the meeting. They voted for
the hiring of a social worker aide for Accion Community Center in Little Havana.
Is what you requested from us is why we did it. Now, it's in your hands not
mine. So I represent the people. I brought how much it will cost to hire a
social worker aide and brought the numbers, the numerals here. The budget
request of twelve thousand dollars. If you want I can supply you with this
and of course, it's up to you to decide if we hire the person as a social
worker aide for a program called "Accion". On the other hand I am very grateful
because of the ten percent increase. And it really was going to be a five
percent only. I am very grateful of this ten percent increase as a proposal in
the social programs that are extended not only now to Little Havana, are also
extended to other areas which I am very happy because all of them are a part
of our community and because of also are part of the City of Miami. I am sorry
to bother, but I have a job to do. The Catholic Service Bureau, they are
also requesting an increase in the budget. I don't know if this can be done
or not. I am not fussing at you. It's a kindly suggestion. But if you can
do something for the Catholic Service Bureau I really would appreciate it. I
think every Commissioner and the Mayor, they have a letter from the Catholic
Service Bureau signed by Ms. Mercedes Campano, the program Director. So if
you can do something about it I would appreciate it. Of course, I understand
your position. I understand that not everything that we bring here has to be
approved, that we have to work as a--- I would say--- as a person who comes
representing the community and with no doubt I want to work with the Commission.
I don't want to create conflicts and I refuse to accept that we in Little
Havana have problems. We had, but we don't have any now. Thank you, very much.
Mr. Lacasa: Evaristo, how much money are we talking about between the two programs?
(BACKGROUND COM!kIENT OFF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Ms. Spillman: Twelve thousand dollars for Accion and...
(BACKGROUND CO�LIIENT OFF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Ms. Spillman: An additional twenty thousand two hundred.
Mr. Lacasa: For the Catholic Worker Services?
Ms. Spillman: Yes. But can I make a suggestion here. We have had meetings
with the State Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services and on the
Catholic Service Bureau and I can almost commit to you that they are willing
to reimburse their cost associated with refugees through the Fascell/Stone
money. And I think that if the Catholic Service Bureau will work with us we
can get them the funds that they need that way.
(BACKGROUND CO,'-'MLN J OFF llit: PUBLIC RECORD)
Ms. Spilltr,3n: WL-11, I think the State Department of Health and Rehabilitative
Services has r.et with my staff and said that they will reimbures agencies for
cost that wc,rc incurred due to the refugee influx. And I think that you have
had a big problei:;i,c-cause of that and I would like to recommend that at least
we be given tiic- opportunity to work it out and then we can come back to you
when we have an answer to that one.
Mr. Lacasa: Well, I have no problem with that solution as long as we are
insured that they do get the twenty thousand dollars because these people has
had a long standing record of only asking for what they need at the. Catholic
Welfare Service and they have provided very effective service in that cownlunity
and I am absolutely sure that if they are asking for this money is because
they do need this money. So my position on this will be that if we can get it
from the State and reimburse on those basis, beautiful. It accomplishes the
purpose. We save money in the City of Miami. If not, I want to see it in the
budget. As far as the other item is concerned we have discussed this over and
over with that. agency and I are, not going to vote in any other way unless they
get their twelve thousand dollars and they can get their social worker, because
they do need that too. So if those are the only two requests Evaristo I am
more than willing to go along with both.
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Mr. Marina: Yes, I want to put in the record that we are very pleased with the
Mayor and the City of Miami Commissioners and the people who attend the meetings
in the Little Havana Community Center that is every Thursday, every second Thursday
in the month. Everyday we have new people attending and we are very glad with
Mr. Rautila who I want to recognize here today that he is the Vice -Chairman and
I can tell you that the people are attending the meetings and that we have more
citizen participation which is very good.
Mayor Ferre: Well, congratulations to everybody. Anybody else? Ok. Orlando
Ura, Chairperson Allapattah.
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Mr. tJra (as translated): I want to ask the Director, Dena Spillman, she is
not in agreement with the propositions and petitions made by his community.
I want to ask her if she thinks continuing two identical programs with a total
cost of $100,000.
Ms. Spillman: No, we're in agreement with you.
Mr. Ura: Our petition has been very simple, if our community has on its side
$100,000 for a program that is going to be eliminated and is making a petition
that because of his needs against the crime situation that they have in their
community that that money should go to the formation of another group to com-
bat crime. I want the Director, Dena Spillman to tell me why you are oppos-
ing this.
Ms. Spillman: Orlando, you know why, it is a new social service program and
we feel that the Police Department already has a program that meets that need.
Mr. Ura: 1 don't believe that and:I don't agree with you.
Ms. Spillman: I want to add one other thing, and I'm not very familiar with
this, I think the problem Mr. Ura speaks of is a problem that exists through-
out the City of Miami.
Mr. Ura: I want you to know that the only ones that know about crime in an
area are the ones that live in that area and in the programs that are com-
batting crime not one resident of Allapattah has been named. Therefore, the
police cannot know what is happening in that area and neither the group that
is working that area because there is nobody from that community appointed.
Mr. Fosmoen: Mr. Mayor, in response to that, the Commission I think two meet-
ings ago approved recruitment of 70 PSA's and 100 CSA's, Community Service
Aides, to begin to combat some of the problems that Mr. Ura is raising and
we're just recruiting. They will be coming on board over the next several
months and I would also recommend that perhaps Mr. Ura would like to attend
the public hearing that we will have downtown to discuss special service dis-
tricts for police service.
Mr. Ura: I want it clarified that........ People that have been appointed
but that don't know..... The people that have been appointed are ignorant
of the area and there has to be a person that lives within the community that
should be working with the police because this community and other communities
are the same, when a person that doesn't live in the area comes into work will
not work with you. The criminal problem is a very serious problem and when a
community is working around it they are very worried.
Ms. Spillman: Orlando, ahora hay une programma de la Policia de Public Ser-
vice Aides y ahora ellos estan buscando ajente para trabajar en este programma
y es muy importante que usted ayude a la Policia encontrar gente este programma.
Es to mismo - it is the same thing you're talking about.
Mr. Ura: I want to explain to you that we have been working with the police
but we want one of the members of our community participate within that program.
And up to now there is nobody participating in that program.
Mr. Fosmoen: And we haven't been recruiting up until now. We're recruiting
now at HRD, if there are members in the community who wish to apply they can.
(Statement translated into Spanish by Mr. Odio)
Mr. Ura: (translated by Mr. Odio) He says he doesn't want to talk about it.
Mayor Ferre: Well Okay, what else have we got? Do you want to respond to
any?
Mr. Fosmoen: The only response I would make, Mr. Mayor, is that the CD Prog-
ram is not an appropriate funding source for a Police program. Those aren't
our limitations, those are federal limitations.
Mr. Ura: (as translated) The bottom line is that he wants to keep that
money that was assigned to his community within his community.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, that's reasonable. Anybody else? Oh, I beg your pardon,
Lester Freeman.
Mr. Lester Freeman: I'm Lester Freeman, I'm Chairman of the Downtown Target
Area. I live at 2180 Brickell and many of the members of our small but dynamic
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group are here today and we want to talk to you a little bit about our function-
ing and about our recommendations. I should say we understand clearly what our
obligations are as an advisory group. We understand that that is the limit of
our authority and the limit of our participation is to offer advice. But we
have tried to be fairly businesslike and fairly meticulous in our proceedings
in order to reflect in an advisory capacity on what we perceive to be the prior-
ity needs of the downtown area. We went through a rather extensive process to
develop that and then from that list to match those needs to the capabilities
of the CD system, understanding that there are limitations to that. And we had
the capable assistance of the staff in our deliberations and we are here today
to tell you that there is one simple priority need that we felt was a over-
whelming and pervasive for the short term in the downtown area and is the park-
ina situation. We understand th-it you spent considerable amount of time on
that this morning and we're not here to repeat that or to seek the same kinds
of solutions, that's a different program from this morning. We feel that, and
we have also worked within the original amount of money that the staff recom-
mended for the downtown area, about $870,000. We have redistributed that fund-
ing as a recommendation according to the priorities that we established.
That does not in any way reflect upon the projects that were proposed by the
staff, they're all good projects. We simply tried to get them in a different
order, a different sequence and in the case of parking added that in as the
priority need. We don't know enough to plan a parking solution , we can't do
that. We made some very broad ideas, brainstorming suggestions but we basic-
ally think that using some CD funds, we said $200,000, that's a figure that
we fit into our 970,000, it happened to be a nice round 200,000 that we took
away from Park West. Now we understand that nobody wants Park West to stop
proceeding but Park West today has a lesser priority than solving this parking
problem until such time as the new garages come on the lire in about two years.
There are lone term solutions to the parking problems underway, well planned,
financed and in the w_rks inclur:inr, these new developments and others. But we
have a two year hiatus here ar,3 we are -iecEardizing the vitality of the great-
est 6cwntcw.ri area in the unite-, States with this simple but overwhelming prob-
lem. Therefore, we'r2 asking that the City, and we because our's is CD, that
is all we deal with, we're a;ay;nc take some of these CD funds, hire somebody
to des. -an a short: tern quick i^-.e,.:iate fix to this problem and we're saying
you might use a shuttle to t1he :ra:,oc Ecwl, you might use other solutions, we
know we can get some cor c%tr-�(nts the l;rivate sector but somebody has
to sit down in a professional fashion and put it tocether. So if the CD money
could be use-4 to start the thing we will commit our support and we've got a
fine committee. We've Stewart Merkin, attorney, Ken Porter with Miami Dade
Community Colle7e, Anna Maria Breckn er, Sister Marie R.philli.nq is here todev
from Jesuit, Lce Ruich, Betty Ash Down, Mike Bravosky, John Burton from Burdines
and Tony Alonso on our comrittee and we spent a lot of time but what the staff
has recor=ended is good work. It will be a lasting impact on downtown, we're
not going to argue about it. But we were asked for our advice and that is what
it is and we made a couple of other rearrangements which are in the proposal
but parking was the overwhelming concensus of our group every time we talked
so we're trying to keep that alive as policy makers. Ken Porter wants to say
a word.
Mr. Ken PG rter: I back what Lester said because the emphasis is on parking,
as we said two weeks ago but also the emphasis on the fact that we have the
smallest percentage going for human services and they are unwilling to move
except for the 5% raise for up to 20,700 or 10%, we would like to double it
in oraer to deal with 150 other elderly people. Also, it has been brought up
that we have been only kind of given 5%, you're just saying 10 to me now, Dena,
but 10 has been raised with everybody else but 5 has been always said to us
before. Another thing is if we go with the Riverwalk we're talking about
$400 a foot. It seems to me if we're really dealing with human services, if
we're cutting a little bit and we're talking about $400 a foot or the possi-
bility of a dying downtown city in a two year period because we don't have
parking it seems like our value system is a little off base if we go with
that.
Mr. Fosmoen: tom•. Mayor, may I recommend an alternative approach? We will
commit to work with the CD Task Force and other representatives of the down-
town interests to generate a parking study, set of alternative for short
term solutions to the parking problem without going out through a lengthy
process and seeking consulting services. We'll do that within house, the
staff, or if we need to on a short term basis supplement that staff with
some professional services.
Mayor Ferre: (INAUDIBLE) ..... take on a big critical crucial.... You
know, when Lester Freeman said that we have the most dynamic vital downtown
area going in the United States today, I mean that is more than Houston,
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Dallas, Los Angeles, San Diego, you name it, they can't compete with what is
happening in - now they have competed and done more, I'm not saying that At-
lanta did do more when they did it but right now in 1980 the action is in
Miami and I don't think this community i, yet aware that all of this can come
to a very very quick halt if we can't so!.: this transportation problem called
parking. There are no alternatives, there is no subway here. The bus system
can't handle it and there is no way in God's world that we're going to have
this tremendous boom that has begun, only begun, unless we solve the parking
problem. Now, I don't want to put cars on Watson Island, I don't want to
put cars on the bandshell, but if we fool around and with all due respects to
my colleague Plummer, Plummer wants to put cars on Claughton Island, Claughton
Island is a two lane bridge for crying out loud. Claughton Island has con-
struction, concrete trucks and other construction trucks going in and out of
that place. 7th and 8th and Brickell are critical points right now on the
curve, they are critical points right now on the curve of over -burdening.
There is no way, I didn't want to argue with Plummer, I didn't get into that,
I just kept my mouth shut but I know there is absolutely no chance of Claughton
Island being used as a parking alternative. Then he said let's go in and con-
demn land or buy land or do something in Park West. Do you know how long it
will take for us to start negotiating with somebody to get a piece of property?
And then we've got to get a bulldozer and we've got to bulldoze down a build-
ing and then Plummer is the first one who is going to say, "well, if it doesn't
have lights you know some woman is going to get raped there and you have to
have a fence around it and the fence has got to have a lock and it has to be
locked up at night because otherwise women are going to get raped. And I have
refused to have any more parking in areas that aren't properly lit and I'm
going to argue with him on that? And then some woman does get raped and then
you know it is because I didn't listen to Plummer and Plummer says, "I told
you so". And so the point is that here we are going around chasing our tails
again - that is a figure of speech - and going in a circle and not coming to
any conclusions. We keep beating around the bush and we're going to go build a
River -walk for $600,000 or $400 a foot when we're about, when the pillars of
the temple are about to crumble down? I mean, what is this? I feel like we're
in Pompei or something.
Mr. Fosmoen: Mr. Mayor?
Mayor Ferre: Well, I think we have to realize that we need to do something
very dramatic. And in view of what happened this morning and that is that
we didn't get anywhere I think we've go to hire) we've got to get somebody from
wherever who can handle this and put the money in. The fact is that Roy Kenzie
could have done it - hasn't done it. The fact is that Dick La Baw could have
done it - hasn't done it. The fact is that Jim Reid and you, Mr. Fosmoen, could
have done it - haven't done it and here we are in February of 1961 about to
have a crisis and nobody is any further along in the solution, Herschell Rosen-
thal wrote me a nasty letter two years ago and he went before the Chamber of
Commerce screaming about parking. I don't see that we are any further ahead
in February, 1981 than when Mr. Herschell Rosenthal wrote that letter two years
ago. So, I've got to agree with the question of priorities here. You know,
when they deliberated three, four months ago maybe a $600,000 Riverfront Walk -
was but it sure as hell isn't as important in February of 1981 in my opinion.
Three members of the committee applauded.
Mr. Carollo: Did you bring your own fan club for the afternoon when Plummer
is away?
Mr. Fosmoen: Mr. Mayor, we have some dollars currently that we could reprogram
out of the Park West area. I must point out to you that the dollars that we're
talking about don't become available until July and if we're faced with the kind
of critical problem that you suggest, and I believe we are, We ought to perhaps
consider reprogramming some dollars that we have available to us now to accomp-
lish that end. Move the project up on the priority list, get a consultant in
and have him devote full time to it for the next couple of months to come with
some alternatives rather than waiting until July.
Mayor Ferre: Okay. Well, I think we've made some progress. Okay, do you want
to add something?
Ms. Mercedes Compano: Mayor Ferre and Commissioners, I am Mercedes Compano
from the Catholic Service Bureau. I would like to have some clarification
regarding Ms. Spillman. You said that the HRS is going to reimburse us some
money and that we can use that money to be incorporated in our budget?
Ms. Spillman: What I said was that we were going to try to work with you and
do that and Commissioner Lacasa requested that if that is not a viable alterna-
tive that we bring the msttcr back to the City Commission. So right now we're
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going to try to work with you and get the additional funds and then we'll see
what happens.
Ms. Campano: Very good. It is going to be incorporated, Okay, thank you.
Mr. Lacasa: Mercedes, we will make sure that you get it either from the State
hopefully but if not, from here.
Mayor Ferre: All right, any other questions?
Ms. Milsa Velasquez: My name is Milsa Velasquez from Wynwood Child Care Center.
I'm very grateful to the City's staff for recommending a 10% increase in our
budget for next year, I would like to stay as still and quiet in my seat and
not say anything but we recommended the transportation project which will not
be recommended by the C. D. staff but I would like to tell you something. Per-
haps for you it is too much to ask but not for us, it is a need that we have
and that's why I had to come, the parents, some of them are here again and they
want me to stand stress the need for the transportation program expanded to
our child care program. So I would like for you to reconsider that for funds.
Thank you.
Mayor Ferre: Thank you. Any other statements at this time? All right, any
questions from members of the City? Little boy? Ah, Mendoza.
Mr. Alfredo Mendoza: My name is Alfredo Mendoza. (As translated) He wants
to ask you the third and fjurth year of the ten thousand and some dollars that
were left over in the last meeting were taken back to the community that it
would be transferred to Parks and Recreation so that Parks and Recreation would
use it in Roberto Clemente Park. That is where they have a dance school and
the sports and so forth.
Ms. Spillman: Senor, ahora estamos trabajando con el Departamento del Parques
para hater es y vamos a hablar contigo sobre eso. Okay?
Mr. Mendoza: Mucha gracia.
Mayor Ferre: Dena, you're doing all right. Okay, anybody else? Bueno, are
we ready now to make a motion? By law we've got to approve this, Joe, and
then as I said before we can then come back and make any further changes in
the future. Is there a second?
Mr. Fosmoen: A motion to accept with the amendments.
Mayor Ferre: With amendments, you'll have to come back later on but I would
assume this makes us comply with the federal law, right?
Mr. Fosmoen: Yes, sir.
Mr. Lacasa: Okay, I'll second the motion, let me make sure of the amendments.
We have the question of the Catholic Bureau in Little Havana on the $20,000
they are requesting and we also have the question of the $12,000 requested
for Accion.
Mr. Fosmoen: That's correct.
Mr. Lacasa: In relation to Allapattah, we have those $100,000 or whatever.
Mr. Fosmoen: Fifty.
Mr. Lacasa: Correct, $50,000 that will be applied over the Allapattah bud-
get where • in this particular project they were talking about or in any
other if there is money for that. With those amendments, I second the motion.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Carollo, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-110
A RESOLUTION AURHOTIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO SUBMIT A GRANT
APPLICATION TO THE U. S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING 6 URBAN DEVELOP-
MENT FOR THE PROPOSED COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM DURING
1981-82, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE
TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT THREE YEAR PLAN AND APPROVED AT
DULY HELD PUBLIC HEARINGS; AND FURTHER AUTHORIZING THE CITY
MANAGER, UPON APPROVAL OF SAID GRANT BY HUD, TO ACCEPT THE
SAMD AND NEGOTIATE THE NECESSARY IMPLEMENTING CONTRACTS AND
AGREEMENTS.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the -City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES:
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Commissioner Plummer, Vice -Mayor Gibson.
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50. DISCUSSION & DEFERRAL OF APPROVAL OF CONTRACT:
AUTOMOBILE RENTALS - CONTRACT BASIS - DEPARTMENT
OF POLICE.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Chief, we are on Item 21 and Commissioner Carollo
requested that you be here on the question of the automobile rentals, Avis
Rental car, $48,000.
Mr. Carollo: Thank you for coming and waiting, Chief. I appreciate your con-
cern. The basic questions I have, Chief, is that, as you I'm sure are aware
of, we are in drastic need of money for the City of Miami, at least four of
the members of the Commission felt that the need was so bad that we had to
raise our taxes considerably because of that and my basic questions are (1)
this $48,000, how many vehicles is that going to include that we're getting
in return?
Chief Harms: First of all, let me correct the record, it is not 48 it is 68.
Mr. Carollo: It's not $48,000 it's $68,000.
Chief Harms: Yes, sir, that's an approximate figure but it should not exceed
that. what that represents essentially is a cost per vehicle for 20 vehicles
between now and the end of September. The cost of each vehicle - let me check
my notes here - is $425 per month and that is an increase from $355. Now, dur-
ing the months of October, November., December and January we're, in fact,
working with the same company we did last year without a contract and they
honored the agreement that we had at that time which was $355 a month. This
month is $425 per vehicle and that represents 20 vehicles. That's the $68,000
figure I gave you.
Mr. Carollo: The $68,000 is this on a yearly basis or....?
Chief Harms: Commissioner, originally in the budget $96,000 was allocated for
that purpose. I was just made aware today that the 48 figure was included in
the resolution, that's an incorrect figure. That will not supply the number
of vehicles that we asked for and were, in fact, approved within the budget
itself.
Mr. Carollo: This has been approved already?
Chief Harms: It was approved in the operating budget for this year, yes, sirs
that's correct.
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Mr. Carollo: So if it has been approved my question is wny is it coffiing tt3
us now?
Mr. Fosmoen: In the budget you approve a dollar amount but this is a specific
bid that you are receiving and awarding.
Mr. Carollo: Okay, we didn't include in the budget a specific area that they
will be going to is what you're saying?
Mr. Fosmoen: Yes, sir.
Mr. Carollo: All right. It's 20 vehicles for $425 a month, that answers one
of my questions. My next question, Chief, is how many vehicles in the last
three years has the City of Miami Police confiscated in raids?
Chief Harms: We have taken into custody quite a few but through the confis-
cation procedure I don't know. Now, many of those vehicles that are, in fact,
confiscated through that procedure are turned over to Building and Vehicle
Maintenance for reassignment throughout the City fleet. The Police Department,
in fact, ends up with some of those vehicles and others go to other depart-
ments.
Mr. Carollo: You have confiscated quite a few vehicles in the last three years,
is that correct then?
Chief Harms: Yes, it is correct.
Carollo: You can't use those vehicles for your under cover work activities?
Chief Harms: We do, as a matter of fact, that's how we get some of those
vehicles is through the confiscation procedure and once they're no longer of
value to us for the under cover work they're traded back in to Building and
Vehicle Maintenance for reassignment or for disposal and the money that is
gained from the disposal goes into the General Fund, so we try to offset as
much as we can in that regard, yes, sir.
Mr. Fosmoen: Just to add to that, Commissioner; in this case we are renting
a vehicle if you will, including maintenance so when the Chief needs a
vehicle it is im:.ediately available and it is not backed up six positions down
the line in our maintenance shop. we do use those vehicles, however.
Mr. Carollo: One of my biggest concerns, Chief, is that I don't want to be
paying for 20 vehicles, $425 a month for each of them for a total of $8,500
a month for all 20 vehicles and then see that maybe half of them or five of
them are not being used so they're going to end up being used to be taken
home by individual investigators. The other major concern that I have, and
it is an area where I think there is a strong possibility that we could cut
some fat out of your budget and to maybe use it for some areas that you're
in more dire need of. It's a fact that I understand there is approximately
40 vehicles that are assigned to your department - I haven't been given an
update on it, that's the approximate figure that I understand that are used
on a 24 hour a day basis by personnel from your department to take home with
them and also City gas is put into them. I would like to know, Chief, and
have in writing if I may, justification for each individual in your depart-
ment that has a 24 hour car and the justification for their use of it.
Chief Harms: Yes, sir.
Mr. Carollo: Going back to the prior question that I had, approximately
how many vehicles are you using now for your under cover work that have been
confiscated in the past?
Chief Harms: I don't have those figures, we use as many as we can though.
One of the problems with using confiscated vehicles in that capacity is as
soon as they are burnt we have to dispose of them. The advantage to the
lease fleet or the rental arrangement is that when they're no longer usable
because in effect they've been burned, we can turn them back in and get a
new car, get another car - recognized.
Mr. Carollo: well, I understand your terminology, Chief, but you see, you
know I'm not trying to consider myself the expert that you are in your field
but I do understand that you're not going to be using 20 or 30 vehicles un-
less in very rare occasion when there is something super big that you're
working on, to follow any given group of individuals and I don't think so
many vehicles will be burned, one veh' might be burned following a
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particular individual or a particular group of individuals won't be necessarily
burned to follow others.
Chief Harms: I would agree with you, let me assure you that you that we have
looked into that and we are using confiscated vehicles when and where we can.
There is something else that I need to bring to your attention, the department
is allocated a specific number of vehicles, if we confiscate a vehicle within
the Police Department then it replaces a vehicle that is currently assigned to
US. It is then charged off in terms of maintenance and gas, etc. by Building
and Vehicle Maintenance based on a standard.arrangement that they have.
Whether we use a confiscated vehicle or a leased vehicle there is certainly a
dollar amount that closely approximates one another whether it is our vehicle
that we get through that procedure that goes to Building and Vehicle Mainten-
ance or we rent the vehicle.
Mr. Carollo: That's an interesting fact that you brought out that I was not
aware of and maybe the City Manager could answer that for me. Is that the
policy for all departments within the City?
Mr. Fosmoen: Yes, sir.
Mr. Carollo: Well, what is the basic policy that we have, if we have any,
when a vehicle is confiscated? 'It it is not used by the department is it
put up for auction or just what policy do we have?
Mr. Fosmoen: If it is not incorporated into the City fleet it is then put out
for auction after title vests with the City and those funds are returned to the
General Fund and if a confiscated vehicle is assigned to a department that
department is charged for maintenance, gas, oil and the other things that Build-
ing and Vehicle Maintenance must do to maintain the vehicle.
Mr. Carollo: And after a vehicle is confiscated who decides where that vehicle
is assigned, yourself, sir?
Mr. Fosmoen: Well, there are departments who have, there is a whole list of
vehicles that are assigned to departments and we attempt wherever possible to
put those vehicles into departments rather than using new replacement vehicles.
But I have a list of the number of vehicles that a department is assigned.
Mr. Carollo: But you make the final decision then?
Mr. Fosmoen: If there is an adjustment to the existing list, yes.
Mr. Carollo: Once, Chief, you get to me the information that I've requested,
the justification for each vehicle that is assigned on a 24 hour basis....
Chief Harms: I'm sorry, I didn't hear the first part of the question, did you
ask when I could get it to you?
Mr. Carollo: Whenever you get that for me and get for me the list, either
yourself of the City Manager, of all the vehicles that have been confiscated
in the last three years and how many are used by your Police Department now
I'll be more than happy to take this up then. Thank you, sir, for your time
and I appreciate your coming here.
Chief Harms: Yes, sir, thank you.
Mr. Fosmoen: Are you suggesting we're going to defer this until that time?
Mr. Carollo: Well, I'm not ready to vote on this otherwise, Mr. City Manager.
I've been accused, and had this thrown back in my face that while on one hand
I'm screaming very loudly, and people are correct, about cutting the fat of
our City budget that I'm showing a very strong bias to certain departments with
the City and not looking to cut any of the fat of some departments.
Mr. Lacasa: Do I understand that we're not going to vote on this now?
Mayor Ferre: That's right.
Mr. Lacasa: Chief, it is my understanding that you do need this to be passed
because you need those cars now, is that so?
Chief Harms: Yes, sir, that's correct. As a matter of fact, this procedure
should have been completed shortly after the beginning of the fiscal year.
Mr. Lacasa: I want to go on record of making a motion here that I believe
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that the situation that we are facing in the City of Miami as far as crime
is concerned warrants that we cooperate with the City Police and if the City's
Chief comes here and tells us that they do need these cars and that they do
need them now as far as I am concerned I want to go on record making a motion
to approve this request by the Police Department since I believe that they
are asking for what they need and what they need is what this community needs
at this particular time.
Mayor Ferre: All right, let the record reflect that a motion has been made
which expresses your opinion, obviously, since under the Charter you're re-
quired three votes on any issue and since Commissioner Carollo has expressed
his position that he wants this item deferred I don't think there is any need
to...
Mr. Lacasa: Can you second the motion?
Mayor Ferre: I can second the motion, Armando, and it means absolutely noth-
ing because it is obviously a 2 to I vote and so....
Mr. Lacasa: Well, we don't know that until we vote.
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, if we were talking about regular police vehicles,
marked police units that's a different story, these are the people that are
responding to the calls and there is definitely a strong justification. we're
talking about something different, I'm sure that if in a week or two whenever
the Chief puts the information together and this comes back to us that our
law enforcement is not going to fall apart because of that and I'm sure there
are enough vehicles within the fleet now that could be used and I'm sure that
the City Manager has enough in other areas that he could assign if necessary.
Mayor Ferre: Chief, it is a moot point because it doesn't make any difference...
Mr. Lacasa: I call. the question.
Mayor Ferre: If I may, may I have the Chief's input into this matter?
Chief Harms: If it is deferred for a couple of weeks it should not create a
crisis for us, we'll be able to manage with the fleet that we have.
Mr. Carollo: Thank you, Chief, I'm sure that would have been the case.
Chief Harms: Yes, sir.
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51. PLRSONAL APPEARAIICE: ALliA RECIO TO ChALLENGE AA%ARD OF BID
FOR COCONUT GROVE ;MINI PARY
(Referred to City iianager)
7 07"'T.J
Mayor Ferre: We're on item 31. Mr. Recio wanted to be heard on this. ',We
voted on it this morning
Mrs. Alma Recio: Honorable Mayor and City Commissioners, my name is Alma
Recio and I represent Recio and Associates, Inc., a licensed landscaping
company. My address is 9620 S.W. 79th Street, Miami. On that bid of
Coconut Grove Mini Park, we were the lowest bidder for that job, for
$114,092. The specifications and contract documents for that bid
in advertisement for bids, they say if any minority contractor needs
technical assistance, contact Contractor Training, Inc. and call Mr.
Terrance Griffin at 579-3420 for advice. Here is the contract document.
We did and asked him if we needed a certificate of competency number because
it is the first information we had to fill out at the bid proposal and
we are landscaped contractors. Landscape contractors do not need
certificate of competency number. Mr Griffin said he did not know but
he would find out and would call us. He called back on that day...
Mayor Ferre: Is somebody following this because I think this is a very
serious matter here.
Mr. Fosmoen: Mr. Cather is following it and I'm attempting to understand
what she is saying, sir.
Mayor Ferre: What she said is she was mislead.
Mrs. Recio: May I proceed?
Mayor Ferre: Go ahead.
Mrs. Recio: Okay. He called back the next day and said, no you don't need
it. Landscape contractors do not need certificate of competency. So
we asked him what we would write down in the proposal and he said leave
it blank. If he had told us that we need a general contractor license
at the time, we could have used the name of the general contractor that
appears on the lease of our sub -contractors for that job. We could have
used him as the bidder. Beside, we, Recio and Associates have applied for
that license before the bid date and we will receive it any time now.
Probably this week. I would appreciate your consideration before deciding
any resolution on awarding this bid that was approved by the Commission
this morning.
Mayor Ferre: All right.
Mr. Fosmoen: Mr. Mayor, if she will make her statement available to me,
I will take it off of the record.
Mayor Ferre: What she's saying is that she was lead down the primrose
path.
Mr. Fosmoen: I understand, sir. There's no way that I can respond to that
here. I will look at what she has said on the record and will report
back to the Commission. I want to investigate the matter thoroughly.
Mayor Ferre: All right. Would you give a copy of your statement to the
Manager?
Mrs. Recio: Well, I'll have to do it because I just did it here. It's
just a plain paper. I could give it to them.
Mr. Fosmoen: It's on the record, sir. I will pull it off from the record
and investigate the matter.
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Mayor Ferre: And would you assign this to
call Mrs. Recio back, and then report back
26th.
Mr. Fosmoen: Yes, sir,
somebody and have somebody
to the Commission on February►
Mayor Ferre: All right, thank you very much,
52. FIRST READING ORDINANCE: CREATE OFFICE OF
INTERNAL AUDITS.
Wf
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE CREATING THE OFFICE OF INTERNAL AUDITS; SETTING
FORTH THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF SUCH OFFICE; PRO-
VIDING FOR THE STAFFING THEREOF; FURTHER PROVIDING FOR THE
AMENDMENT OF SECTION 2-233* OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF MIAMI,
FL0RIDA (1980) AS AMENDED, WHICH HAD PROVIDED FOR THE PER-
FORMANCE OF THE INTERNAL AUDIT FUNCTIONS ON BEHALF OF THE
CITY BY TRANSFERRING THE MANAGEMENT, SUPERVISION AND CONTROL
OF SUCH FUNCTIONS TO THE OFFICE OF INTERNAL AUDITS; CONTAIN-
ING A REPEALER PROVISION AND A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.
Was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa and seconded by Commissioner Carollo
and passed on its first reading by title by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioners Lacasa and Carollo and Mayor Ferre.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Commissioners Gibson and Plummer.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the record and stated
that copies had been furnished to the commissioners and that copies were
available to the public.
*Ordinance reads Section 2-333 which is a scrivener's error, should be
Section 2-233.
53. FIRST READING ORDINANCE: PROVIDE FUNDING FOR NEWLY
CREATED OFFICE OF INTERNAL AUDITS.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 1 OF ORDINANCE NO. 9179,
ADOPTED OCTOBER 3, 1980, THE ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS ORDIN-
ANCE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 1981, AS
AMENDED, BY INCREASING THE APPROPRIATION FOR THE GENERAL
FUND, CITY MANAGER, OFFICE OF INTERNAL AUDITS, IN THE
AMOUNT OF $290,967, BY DECREASING THE APPROPRIATION FOR
THE GENERAL FUND, MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET, IN THE SAME
AMOUNT; FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING FUNDING FOR A NEWLY -
CREATED OFFICE UDDER THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO BE KNOWN
AS THE "OFFICE OF INTERNAL AUDITS"; CONTAINING A REPEALER
PROVISION AND A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.
Was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa and seconded by Commissioner Carollo and
passed on its first reading by title by the following vote -
AYES: Mr. Lacasa, Mr. Carollo and Mayor Ferre.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Rev. Gibson and Mr. Plummer.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the record and stated that
copies had been furnished to the City Commission and that copies were
available to the public.
54. FIRST READING ORDINANCE: CREATE MIAMI AUDIT
ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AN ORDINA14CE ENTITLED -
AN ORDINA14CE CF-EATI14G THE MIAMI AUDIT ADVISORY COM111TTEE FOR
THE PURPOSE OF ADVISING AND ASSISTING THE CITY COMuAIISSION TO
IMPROVE THE EFFECTIVENESS AND USEFULNESS OF THE CITY' AUDIT
PROCEDURES AND PROGRAMS AND TO DISCHARGE THE OBLIGATION TO
SECURE ANNUAL AUDITS OF THE CITY'S FINANCIAL BOOKS AND RECORDS
AS REQUIRED BY LAW; SETTING FORTH THE COMPOSITION, DUTIES AND
GENERAL GUIDELINES OF SAID COMMITTEE; CONTAINING A REPEALER
PROVISION AND A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.
Was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa and seconded by Commissioner Carollo
and passed on its first reading by title by the following vote -
AYES: Mr. Carollo, Mr. Lacasa and Mayor Ferre.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Rev. Gibson and Mr. Plummer.
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the record and stated
that copies had been furnished to the City Commission and that copies
were available to the public.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD: AGENDA ITEM 15 WAS DEFERRED.
55. ESTABLISH DATE OF APRIL 23, 1981 FOR PUBLIC HEARING:
DEVELOPMENT ORDER FOR DOWNTOWN GOVERNMENT CENTER, A
DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-111
A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING APRIL 23, 1981, AS THE DATE FOR
A PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING ISSUANCE OF A DEVELOPMENT ORDER
FOR THE DOWNTOWN GOVERNMENT CENTER, A DEVELOPMENT OF REG-
IONAL IMPACT TO BE LOCATED IN DOWNTOWN MIAMI.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Mr. Lacasa, Mr. Carollo and Mayor Ferre.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Rev. Gibson and Mr. Plummer.
THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE CITY
COMMISSION, THE MEETING WAS ADJOURNED AT 6:50 P.M.
ATTEST:
MPH G. ONGIE
CITY CLERK
MAM HIRAI
ASSISTANT CITY CLERK
MAURICE A. FERRE
M A Y O R
CI'RY OF PINI ml
DOCUMENT
INDEX
ITEM NOJ DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
COMMISSION AGENDA AND CITY CLERK REPORT
SETTLEMENT: LITTON BUSINESS SYSTEMS OFFICE FURNITURE
INCREASE ALLOCATION. 6TH YEAR C.D. BLOCK GRANT FUNDS
OVERTOWN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
BULKHEAD REPAIR IN BAYFRONT PARK SHARE UP TO 50%
OF COSTS WITH CORPS OF ENGINEERS
AUTHORIZING USE OF ADDITIONAL $205,000
G.O. HOUSING BONDS-4 SECTION 8 PROJECTS
TRANSFER $1,300 F.R.S.F. TO FIRST UNITED METHODIST
CHURCH, INC.
ACCEPT GRANT: TRADE FAIR OF THE AMERICAS
IMPORT-EXPORT-81
APPROVE AND CONFIRM CITY MANAGER'S ACTION:PURCHASE
OF 2 - 90 GALLONS GAS FUELED [,CATER HEATERS FOR
MIAMI BASEBALI. STADIUM
WAIVE REQUIREMENT FOR FORMAL BID: 34 REORDER
COUPLERS FOR MIAMI POLICE DEPARTMENT.
ACCEPT PLAT: "VENAGO SUBDIVISION"
ACCEPT BID-AI`iriUNITION FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT
(.ZONES EQUIPMENT COMPANY).
ACCEPT BID: 33 TWIN BEACON LIGHT BARS FOR DEPARTMENT
OF BUILDING AND VEHICLE MAINTENANCE
ACCEPT BID-125 POLICEHAND GUNS FOR '1'11l: "IIAMI POLICE
DEPARTMENT
ACCEPT BID -DEMOLITION OF UNSAFE STRUCTURE-417
N.W. - 7TH STREET
ACCEPT BID -HEALTH MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT
ACCEPT COMPLETED 14ORK: DOWNTOWN FLAGLER STREET
LIGHTING 1976
ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK: CENTRAL MIAMI PARK -SEATING
GALLERY AND WALKWAY STAINING-1978
ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK: FIRE STATION #14
MEETING DATE:
FEBRUARY 11, 1981
COMMISSION ]RETRIEVAL
ACTION 4 CODE N0.
R-81-74
R-81-77
R-81-78
R-81-79
R-81-80
R-81-81
R-81-82
R-81-83
R-81-84
R-81-85
R-81-86
R-81-87
R-81-88
R-81-89
R-81-90
R-81-91
R-81-92
I DO��'i�€NT��NDEIL
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CONTINUEDPAGE # 2
COMMISSIONRETRIEVAL
104 NOJ DOCUMENT IDENTIFICATION -ACTIDN L-C-ODE =NQ.__ _
19
DESIGNATE "MIAMI COCONUT GROVE EXHIBITION CENTER -
WEST COUTYARD ROOF" PROJECT AS CATEGORY "B"
FOR COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATION
R-81-93
81-93
20
ACCEPT BID: COCONUT GROVE MINI PARK
R-81-94
81-94
21
ACCEPT BID:"GIBSON PARK SPORTFIELD LIGHTING"
R-81-95
81-95
22
ACCEPT COMPLETED WORK:SOLID WASTE FACILITY
R-81-96
81-96
23
EXECUTE AGREEMENT: BUNKER'S INC. CONCESSIONAIRE FOR
MELREESE RESTAURANT, PRO SHOP AND DRIVING RANGE
R-81-97
81-97
24
CITY PARTICIPATION IN THE AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY
GOLF CARD PROGRAM (WAIVE 1 ROUND OF GOLF)
R-81-98
81-98
25
WAIVE GREEN FEES: FnR THE "MIAMI WODIEN'S GOLF
I
ASSOCIATION" MAY I1, 1981 AT MIAMI SPRINGS ANT)
JULY 22, 1981, AT IMELREI-SE
R-81-99
81-99
26
APPOINTMENT: OMAR MOLINA-TO CITY'S AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
ADVISORY BOARD
R-81-100
81-100
27
CLAIM SETTLEMENT: SUSAN NEVINS
R-81-101
81-101
28
CLAIM SETTLEMENT: SARA DELGADO AND BENIGNO DELGADO
R-81-102
81-102
29
REAPPOINT RICHARD L. FOSMOEN AS CITY MANAGER, SUBJECT
TO HIS RESIGNATION LETTER ON FILE WITH THE OFFICE OF
THE CLERK
R-81-103
81-103
30
ACCEPT BID: WORK UNIFORMS-CITY/WIDE
R-81-104
81-104
31
EXECUTE LEASE AGREEMENT: BY AND BETWEEN CITY OF MIAMI
AND METROPOLITAN DADE COUNTY - "FORMER CITY OF MIAMI
JAIL" AT 1145 N.W. 11 STREET -APPOINT PAT SKUBISH
AS LIAISON
R-81-1.05
81-105
32
CONFIRM SUPPLEMENTAL PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT ROLL:
DELAWARE SANITARY SEWER IMPROVEMENT SR-5390-C
R-81-107
81-107
33
SECOND PUBLIC HEARING: 7TH YEAR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
FUNDING APPROVED WITH AMENDMENTS
R-81-110
81-110
34
ESTABLISH DATE OF APRIL 23, 1981 FOR PUBLIC HEARING:
DEVELOPMENT ORDER FOR DOWNTOWN GOVERNMENT CENTER, A
DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT
R-81-111
81-111
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