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CITY OF MIAMI
MINUTES
OF MEETING HELD ON April 23, 1981
(REGULAR) ( P & Z )
PREPARED BY THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK
CITY HALL
RALPH G.. ONGIE
CITY CLERK
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CITY C'l'Y ISSI J OF MIA�iI, IUA
lal NO. i (REGIUL.AR) ( P u z ) &BJECT APRIL 1981
1
DISCUSSION OF SEVERANCE PAY FOR FORMER CITY X NAGF.R
RICHARD L. FOSMOEN
2
PiROPOSFD POLICY OF CITY CO LNISSION R CARDiN(l
PAYFNT OF SEVi:RANCE PAY FOR EMPLOYEES UNDER THEIN
,it'RLSi)ICTIO;;
2
C(,NsIDEV,,TI(? O -,Ti-, YEAR
i)1:VELCP�WNT BLOCK i;RA.NT-MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES I\
C OCON'Ll Ght)%'E
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AlLOCATE :.I5,00G C.D. BLOCK GRANT FUNDS FOi� )1i:1TOH\
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APPROVE CITY '-'TANAGERS SE-ECTION OF J. FUHR. AN,
1�'r.ri:;. RC IiitFN.;E: SCLLF'1'L"nE ASSOCiAT S FOR i;RIiiINA1.
SC11P T�-RE FOR SOLID WASTE DEPARTM11\7 A:)XINISTRATION
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AL"; CITY MANAGER TO SOLICIT PROPi)SALS: SAILBOAT
, NIAL CO:;CESSIONS AT DAVID KE:�NEDY PARE AND DINNER
KF:Y MikR I NA
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D 'SIG';ATE DESIGN SERVICES: BAYFROti PARK REDEVELOPMENT
AI'POIN: CART_ KERN AS CHAIRMAN OF COMPETITIVE SELECTION
CO'�MIITTEE
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i;A"i LFY ANI) AITROVI. AGRLL�I NT. CITY AL,") CARR, SX'IMi AND
ASSUCIATi-S, INC.- PROFESSIONAL.. ARChITECTL'RAI. :)ESIGN
SI•:i, ICLS CPRTIS AND WEST AM PARRS
FOR FOR:lA1. 51'_1:.i.D BIDS: 7
`. !:,.I: PkIVACY SATELLITE RADIO SYST M S'HTS
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DISCUSSION ITEM: MATERIAL FLRNISHE:) TO C0"2,::SS:0NER
EY POLICE CHIEF REGARDING NLi:D FCii{ L C:'iiONI C
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16 D! SCUSSI� IN
JANUS Ril'i'Ok'.- OF ECONOi llc DISC
17 AUTHORIZE :"AY YAC'fiT C-Ur
OF F'.-NDS:
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A.S.T.A. CONVEN, IN !)C)0KFD A CONVE'"
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SYST7-FIRE DEPARTMENT, ETC.
25.3 ACCEPT BID: A!-LIZD UNIVERSAL CORP-SWIti^MTNG POOL
CHEMICAL FOR DEEPART-EN7 OF LEISURE SERVICES,ETC. R-81-335
25.4 ORDERING CITY WIDE -VEST 57 AVENUE -SANITARY SEWER
IMPROVEMENT, ETC. (CENTERLINE) R-81-336
25. 5 ORDERING CITY WIDE -WEST 57 AVE\UIE-SANITARY SEWER
I?TROVZME\T-B-5469-S (SIDELINE) ETC. K-81-337
INC.-315 HV;D GUNS FOF
AWARD BIT): M.ASK'S WORKShOP,
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MIATERIA1, ON VIRGINIA KEY h-hi- »lj
STRUCiLRAL REPAIRS
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33 CONFIRM ASSESSMENT ROLL: GARDEN SANITARY SEWEK SR-
5385-S
34 APPROVE DEVELOPMENT ORDER FOR DOWN^, 0'w1: GOVERNMi:\T
CENTER -A DEVELOM—.NT OF REGIO\AL IMPACT
15 %PI)Ro %'E IN PR INC I_PLE APPLICATION FOR : ACKSON' T OhEii
\l=RSING AND REHABILITATION CENTER
36 1 PUBLIC. HEARING: PROPSED LOCATION OF FORENSIC HOSPITAL
37
EXPAND RESOL 71O\ BANNING CONTACT E`rai.i)yFkS i)F
CITY REGARDING CABLE T.V. MTIA—DIES
38
PROPCiSED RENT STABILIZATIO\ LEGISI-Al ION
39
WAIVER OF FEE: SAI.L T E TO HELE:: ALLISON
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. --RI .CiNAI, A" OF SPENCER .:E L, DI H ..'�. l.i\.�..
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FOR \ EX T YE.AR
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AI:Th0lAI„I: GRANT APPLICATION: Ri:i :.LRSTS 1EN. )F COSTS
INFLU' CLB:?N AND liAli 'N 'EF'cGEE
NTR:?\TS
A.:ARD BID: FIRE RESCUR TRAINING CENTER-3880 Tho) AS
AVENI*E
43
DISCl" SSIUa 1T.:".: ANNUAL HAIT1AN CARNIVAi.
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PERSONAL APPEARANCE: A. L. SYMO\ETTE REGARDING HIS
PROPERTIES AT 465 N.W. 4TH STREET
45
REQCFST FOR RENAMING OF GRAND AVENUE TO THEODORE R.
GIBSON DRIVE (NO ACTION TAKEN).
4h
DISCUSSION ITEM: REQUIRE POSTING OF HOUSE \UMBERS IN
FRONT OF COCONUT GROVE PROPERTIES
47
APPEARANCE: iELIZABiETH VIRRICK REC:? DlNi;
VIKRICK GYM -TURN FACILITY OVER TO COCONUT GROVE
i.ARES WITH VOIX.NTEERS, ETC.
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i.IEASE OF MARINE STAD71 C , 'I0 SE:?SLAPE
"-IAM-i FINDING BY CITY AT'l'ORNEY OF EXISTING CONFLICT
OF INTEREST
APPROVE CONCEPT AS PRESENTED: DOVNTOV.\ GOVERNMENT
CENTER C,ARAGE
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADJUSTMENT PLAN BY JANUS
ASSOCIATES
PACE 3
ORDINANCE
sOWTI&N No. I PASE NO,
R-81-342
R-81-34 3
R-�iI-344
M-81-347
M-81-37
DISCUSSION
R-81-J51
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151SCUSS ION
DISCUSSION
DISCUSSION
DISCUSSION
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Disci _ISSION: i'ATA, SE(A-)l ING OF' MR.
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DISCUSSION: LCON'OXIIC Di�VLL011'-'EN'l AJ,jCS*l-
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ORD. 9261
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oX�_N,' APPLICATION TO ?fETRC) DAIDE COLNITY F0'
COL7, .;,ry A.DMINISTKNTION BUILDlNG 101-109 N.W.
IST STREET
R- 6-1- 36 1
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T . APPLICA7ION' TO METRO DADE COUNTY 17OR iNTERIM
CHILLED WATER PLAT-161-199 N.W. 1ST STREET
Fliv.Sl READING ORDINANCE. CHANGE Zo'*-,\
CLASSIFICATION-4240 N.W. 11 STREET .ND 1061 N.W.
AVEV'F F&OM R-3 TO C-2
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READING
CiiA-NkrL �_Jl "0' IN6
N.W. 22ND AVENCE
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j-,RJCYFLL STATIO\ AMr% P1_.,%N
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FCKTHER INFORY,%'11'10N
'RATE ADUL TO OPERATE ix-L 'i. I L I V
-. ND '100 N.W. 2e STREET X -720 l;.n.
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(REGu1.AR) (I �Z) CT AI-RIL 2 1 i.,: KESOWTIati No. IPA"r-
69
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DENY APPEAL BY APPLICANT FOR CONDITIO?'Ai. I'S :
OF 25 SPACE EXCESS OPEN PARKING LOT-25i0 N.U.. 21
TERRACE M-81-36b
— 70 GRA\T ONE. YEAR EXTENSIO\ OF VAi;IA.';C1;—CIT'i tiAi.
BANK — 60 LNITS APARTMENT TOWER AT 101-153
S.E. 15 ROAD
71 ACCEPT PLAT: EAST BRICKELL TOWER SUB R—S1-566
72 ACCEPT P12J : RAINB0W PLAZA — 361-i
73 SECOND READING ORDINANCE: 'DECREASE ".:0\i : ti \E T
WIDTH 7711 COURT BETWEEN N.W. 15 STREET AND
E.W. EXPRESSWAY FROM 50' TO 40' OKI). `Qn;.'
74 PERSO\Ai. APPEARANCE OF PC)LICE C,i:E ': (I)
$500,000 OVER11ME (2) POST R7VARP FOR KILLERS G '
XR. SAR.`;IENTO :1.ND ATTLXPTED kTTT,TNC OF ?C:. CAkl'BI;
(3) EARMARK CONFISCATED MONIES TO PAY INFOR:IERS M-8I-37Ci
M-81- i 7
M-81-372
75 CAGE LEGISLATi'SI: Or TiiE STAT:_ OF F'.ORIDA Ti i;.0 iLASr
,o 20 t'E:`,RS 1.,7%7'.L L'11 RIS0N'-'EtiT FOR ANYONE
CONVICTED OF A F E1.ONY BY WHICH THE USE OF A ti ttAlv'i
1; .5 A; ESSENTIAL ELEMENT R-81-373
M-81-374
7b
75 CAGE LEGISLATi'SI: Or TiiE STAT:_ OF F'.ORIDA Ti i;.0 iLASr
,o 20 t'E:`,RS 1.,7%7'.L L'11 RIS0N'-'EtiT FOR ANYONE
CONVICTED OF A F E1.ONY BY WHICH THE USE OF A ti ttAlv'i
1; .5 A; ESSENTIAL ELEMENT R-81-373
M-81-374
7b
7r:i:i :`2•LL:,:i \'iC'1.,;5 AND 11%1TN1:.;S;ES B,,' :'ER.``:l..:i)
0-1 POSii10N iN CONN CTIG;�
TO ?;:EVFNI INCONVENIENCE AND FINANCIAL HARDSHII
IN CGURT APPEARANCES
M—b 1— 37 5
C:i>�`SE;.D OF STEPS .AKI-N .. CO�`.is:,:
Ci<I'1 B5' ThE CITY OF `ii `iI AND Y TROPOLITAN DADE
?i-Si-3ifi
78
PROVIDE TWO ADDI7IO\A:. A1.' ERNATE MEMBER PCS1, IONS
FOR THE XltV•:I WAIF RF RONT BOARD
R-31-37 7
79
RE.AP- DINT STUART SORC. AS A MEMBER OF T iiE MIA.Mi
WATERFRONT BOARD
M-81-37h
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:11'i� ?:�"� "lf:\'. OF PE::SO\S iO TIiL' CITY OF MIA-X-1
AV,':JkMATIVE ACTION ADVISORY BOARD
k—bl-37y
CER.ALD i;REEN TO Tlii: CITY OF NS-AMI
Ai:Flit?I IFIVF. ACTION ADVISOR`_' BOARD
Ai'1'UjN': MR. LAY RODRIGUEZ AS A MEMBER OF THE XIA'•SI
AUDIT AOVI�;ORY COMMITTEE
M-81
BRIEF lit `ICUSSION ANT) WITHDRAI,'f. of !TE:%:: $120, 00G
F()k DISASTER PREPAREDNESS PROGRAM
DISCUSSION
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BRIE1' DISCUSSION AND DEFEkkAL OF 1TL:M: REVIEW
OF CERTIFICATES OF PUBLIC CONVENILNCE A -ND
NECESSI'i'Y(1'AXICABS)
DISCUSSION
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85
86
87
86
89
90
91
IND
ANiSTIO HIMPF,&DA
(REGULAR) (P S 'Z) &MCT APRIL 23, 1981
PAGE -':b
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I LUTI S-
0wrI0�'J ho, PA, NO,
DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED METRO SPORTS AUTHORITY
DISCUSSION
157-192
DISCUSSION AND TCAPORARY DEFERRIIL:REQUEST TO FILL
POSITIONS IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND
SECRETARY TO MR. JENNINGS (SEE LATER)
DISCUSSION
i9 -ly3
APPROVE LOAN OF SURPLUS MOBILE RADIO TO ACTION
COlLA'tiITY CENTER
-333
5
(A) DISCUSSION IN CONNECTION WITH PROPOSE:) CiPl OF
MIA-Ml EMPLOYEE LAY-OFFS
(B) RESCHEDULE REGULAR CITY CO?2�iISSION OF
MAY 14, 1981 TO :IAY 15, 1981
m-51-38�
:yb- 3i1
R-8i-3S5
1,:.IEF DISCUSSION REGARDING ATTORNEY ASSIGNED TO
CO`T,AT PORNOGRAPHY
DISCUSSION
MODIFY FNISTING HIRING FREEZE TO PERMIT .:;i~:NG OF
(D Pi)SI': ION'S IN PL'IiLIC WORJKS DEPART�'EN T ND 1
POSITION IN THE DEPARTMENT OF STADIUMS AND YVARINAS
X-81-386
i
DISCUSSION OF LENGTH OF CITY COXMISS:ON ? E'i INGS.
(I) No. 2 � ,TINGS TO BE HELD ON THE Si0'z DAY
(�) AI:_;0'L",'_%LENT OF �=TINGS NO LATER IF_ N 10:30 P.*;.
(3) BRIEAK FOR LUNCH AT 12 NOON
DISCUSSION
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tA 0
MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF ThE
CITY COMMISSION OF MIAMI, FLORIDA
On the 23rd Day of April, 1981, the City Commission of Miami,
Florida, :net at its regular meeting place in the City ball, 3500 Pan
American Drive, Miami, Florida in regular session.
The meeting was called to order at 9:17 A.M., by '.Mayor Maurice Ferre
with the following members of the Commission found to be present:
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
ALSO PRESENT WERE:
Howard V. Gary, City Manager
George F. Knox, City Attorney
Ralph G. Ongie, City Clerk
Matty Hirai, Assistant City Clerk
ABSENT IJ.RE: Commissioner Joe Carollo
:Iayor Maurice A. Ferre
An invocation was delivered by Reverend Gibson who then 1e.: those
present in a pledge of allegiance to the flag.
On motion duly -made and seconded by the City i;o::L:.:ssio the Xl.-nutes
for the meeting(s) of February 28, 1981 (Regular and Planning S Zoning)
were approved.
Mr. howard Gary: Excuse me, before we begin, Mr. Vice Mayor...
Rev. Gibson: Go ahead.
Mr. Gary: before we start I would like to take this time out to thank the
members of "he City Commission for supporting me on Thursday as the new
City Manager of Miami. I look forward to working with all of our City
Commissioners and my door is always opt-n to you and you can communicate with
me any time that you feel you need to.
(FERRE ENTERS THE MEETING AT 9:20 A.M.)
Mayor Ferre: Good morning.
Mr. Plummer: we've done the Minutes.
Mayor Ferre: When are we going to bring up the compensation or non -
compensation for Fosmoen?
Mr. Gary: 1 uould recommend that we bring that up a5 itCw No. 1, t e
first thing on the agenda.
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APP23 i��
1. DISCUSSION OF SEVERAINCE PAY FOR FORMER CITY MANAGER,
RICHARD L. FOSMOEN.
Mayor Ferre: I would hope that we would not get into a long, drawn out
discussion on this thing. We all have our opinions and I think that if the
members of the Commission would just make a decision, I would hope, without
having to drag this much further and I don't have anything else I want to
add.
We have the question of severance compensation, if any, for the former
City Manager and I would like to recommend personally that we do consider
some severance pay in a similar fashion to what has been done with Assistant
City Managers in the past and with the former City Manager that had those
conditions. Mel Reese and Paul Andrews, of course, retired with substantial
pensions. In the case of Joseph Grassie, as you may recall, when he tendered
his resignation he tendered it effective October 1st, then beyond that, we
kept him on for two more months under contract, so in effect he didn't do
very much during those two months but, he was under contract. Because of
the special circumstances and because of the problems I would hope that
we would approach the —was it 4 or 5 years of service of Fosmoen, in the
same way?...
Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor, let me ask a question, whether it has been the
custom and tradition, or what is the law, what is the rule?
Mayor Ferre: That 1 know of there is no law. As far as rule, there is no
standard rule because we have only dealt with this once before. I would
- hope that this would not be a reoccurring item all the time. I'd hate to
have to be worrying about compensations for City Managers every other year,
as I said, that I know of, we've only had one previous case, so there is
obviously no set rule when you are only dealing with one precedent. Now,
as I understand it, Howard, you wrote a letter? ...Where is that letter
that you gave me a copy of yesterday? This is a letter dated April 22nd,
from Howard V. Gary, City Manager, it says: "Mr. Richard L. Fosmoen: I
hereby accept your verbal statement that you felt that the two of us could
not work together and you could not revert back to your former position of
Assistant City Manager, therefore, I accept your verbal resignation. With
regards to the matter of severance pay that you have discussed with members
of the City Commission, they wish for me to handle this matter administrative-
ly which is usually the case. I reaffirm my offer of two months. If this is
unacceptable, you are free to bring this matter to the attention of the City
Commission for resolution." I got a phone call from Mr. Fosmoen yesterday.
He told me that his wife and three children are going through a lot of strain
and he just was at a point where he didn't want to discuss anything any fur-
ther about this whole matter and that whatever the Commission wished to do
he would gratefully accept.
Rev. Gibson: Let me ask you a question, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: Certainly, Father.
Rev. Gibson: Is this man entitled to holidays, and sick leave...?
Mayor Ferre: Yes.
►:��. Gilson: All right, how much time is that?
Mr. Gary: If I recall, Commissioner Gibson, he has approximately 24 to 26
days.
Rev. Gibson: That he is entitled to receive compensation for.
Mr. Gary: Yes, air. That's what he has earned as of today.
Rov. Gibson: Mr. Mayor, it seems to me...let me ask another question.
02 APR 231981
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Rev. Gibson (cont'd): ...How many Assistant City ':�.za;.�rs you've haL
here who have come and gone.
Mr. Gary: We've had, to my knowledge, since I've been here, approximately
three to four that have been here and left.
Rev. Gibson: What did you do for them?
Mayor Ferre: Humberto Cortina, Charlie Crumptom, who are the other two:'
Mr. Gary: Mr. Paredes...
;favor Ferre: No, Paredes is a different case because Paredes quit and
went to get a job on his own. So Paredes is not applicable, Crumptom and
Cortina are because in their case they basically went through a process
where their boss -in that case it was Grassie- decided that they could no
longer work here. Crumptom I don't think we can take as an example either
because as you know Crumptom was told by Mr. Grassie that he was supposed
to leave by, as I recall, March. By March if he had not been able to line
himself up with another job --and Mr. Grassie extended that, as I recall --
for an additional three months. Now, during that time Mr. Cruzmptor„ was
performing his job, at least most of the time. Anti finally that came to
an end. Now, in the case of Cortina he was also warned that he would no
longer have a job as of a day certain, and then when that cut off point
came he was given two months, is that correct?
Mr. Gary: That's correct, Mr. Mayor.
Rev. Gibson: What happened with Mr. Grassie:'
.lr. Plu=aer: He was put under a contract.
Rev. Gibson: And the contract was what?
Mr. Plum,-aer: As I recall, the contract was Father, three or four months
for a transition.
Rev. Gibson: It wasn't three or four months, the man said earlier it was
two months.
Xr. Plummer: Well, Father, okay, you know, as a technicality you are
probably right but from what the Mayor has said to me in the past -and I
accept as being the truth- Mr. Grassie in fact wanted to leave six months
before that.
Mayor Ferre: No, no, but he actuality wrote to the meabers of the Commissic.
in August and he said that he would make it effective whenever we wanted. We
asked him to make it effective October 1st.
Rev. Gibson: All right, let me tell you my reasoning. I work in an insti-
tution just like this. And we handle this business with the vestry just
like you are doing. I think that the man is entitled to sick leave and
holiday money, ..he ought to get that automatically based on the time he
earned it, when he earned it. If he was Assistant City Manager at that time
he ought to get his money based on a fair market price at that time, that's
number one. Number two, I keep saying to the Commission, and I'll die
saying this, a law that works for you will work against you. I don't
think we ought to always be shooting from the hip. If you're going to
iJve this man 2 months, and you're giving Grassie 2 months, and if you're
j,.iving Crumpton 2 months, fine. If you went to court and you don't have-
;, 1<,w, the court says what has been your past performance. Ask any
i.iw studcnt:s. They tell you this, they say right off, all right,
..• „ I V,_itie, the coal case is that this man was buying coal aii these
years and he never put an estoppel on the thing saying, I don't want
.oal any more. They sent it. The court said you pay this mar.
1.uL,1USe you didn't tell him by your performance. So I'm willing to
live with that. I think we ought to give the man his compensatory
time as you indicated, and give him the 2 months.
(INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENT PLACED OUTSIDE OF THE ilCBLIC RECORD)
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Father Gibson: Mr. Mayor, I don't want to ... I am not going to vote
for 3 months, and the reason I'm not going to vote for 3 months is you
didn't give the others. When another situation comes up, you'll have
to give somebody else 3, or if you don't give them 3, you'll have to
give them 4.
Mayor Ferre: Father, please, I don't want to argue with you and I
obviously, I accept it, I mean, I accept your will on this. We didn't
give Joe Grassie 2 months. Joe Grassie tendered his resignation in
August. He got September and October, and then he got 2 months on top
of that, so Joe Grassie got 4 months.
Father Gibson: But Mr. Mayor, you hired Joe Grassie. Look man, a law
that works for you will work against you. And what bothers me
is we are going to make laws based on personality. Joe Grassie got
2 months, he was under contract. Crompton got 2 months or whatever...
*favor Ferre: He got 6 months.
Father Gibson: But he was working. This man says he isn't going to work.
Now he knew that. Listen, man, ain't nothing like being a big baby now.
There's a lot of big boys around here in the world.
Father Gibson: All right, Father, I don't want to belabor that and that's
Father Gibson: I move you, sir, that we follow the Manager's recommendation.
Mayor Ferre: Is there a second to that? Well, I guess we don't get a
second on that.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, the motion, I assume is dead. Father, the
Mayor won't argue with you on that, but I will. Okay? And as you know,
isn't it ironic that the same ... what is you say, Father? The one
that works for you works against you?
Father Gibson: That's right. A law that works for you will work against
you.
Mr. Plummer: The person who worked against you will work for you because
I will do it in the interest of fairness. Father, let me tell you. I
hope that I will always be fair. And let me tell you what I think
fairness is. Good, bad or indifferent, this is a different situation.
It is not a...
Father Gibson: What's different?
Mr. Plummer: I'll tell you what's different. It is not a Joe Grassie
kind of resignation, nor a Mel Reese. I've got to tell you, I don't know
how the man put up with 7 months of a position that he sat in. The
man was put through pure hell. Okay? It wasn't the norm. Now let me
tell you something else. I think that to even bring in vacation pay,
or earned time should not be a part of the discussion. Okay? That's
his. He can cash that in tomrorrow. I would hope that we'll always
play fair on that. So that's really not a part of the disccssion. If
a man was in private business, there is always a transition. Whether
you call it severance, relocation, call it what you may. That man came
down here from Grand Rapids, Now I had problems with that. But
c 6V.1 ou�]v. that man is going to have to transition after a brief span
Most likely sell his home, relocate his family and that
cost money. Now, the man whether you like it or not, during his S years
a5 Ass.i5LanL City Manager served honestly and served well as an
Assistant City Manager. I've heard anywhere from 2 to 4 months is
what he should receive in severance. My father taught me it is a mean
Trnn who won't compromise. I'm willing to go for 3 months. If you
wish to call it severance, relocation, call it what you may. I think
ti,is City has to be fair and I think fair is 3 months. And that's
where I'm at.
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Father Gibson: Well...
Mr. Lacasa: Father, I'd like to ask a question h,Ure. Would this
policy also apply to every single one of the 4,000 er.:,,ioyees that the
City of Miami has? Because my concern here is , and this has absolutely
nothing to do with the person. It's a matter of a principle of the thin;.
If we have somebody that we want for whatever the rei,son, lay-off, fired,
discontinued, yes. I would say that a lot of consideraticin be given
to that particular situation, and one of them could be the neg,otiation
of his requested, shall we say, resignation and we can compensate in the
process of negotiations. Now comes a voluntary resignation, which is
what I understand from this memorandum that happened. And normal
circumstances in any governmental unit, or private enterprise, I have never
heard that this practice is implemented. But if the City Commission
feels for whatever human considerations that this is some -thing that we
should do, hey, I would love to have a discussion about it and ccnsider this
part of the dicussion. But I think that not only the City `tanager should
be given those benefits, but also the little guy that probably needs the
help from the City much more than a person that has been making 50 or
$60,000 per year and that is also entitled to have that sort of consiLiLrati,,n.
So I will be more than willing; to consider this !-�wm,anistic approac;i to
severance pay as long as it also includes the guy that only makes B or
�10,000 per year.
Mr. Plummer: Mr Lacasa, if I might 'answer yoitr diler,L 3. i'irst o; all,
tilers is no policy. And 1 think the reason that there is no policy is
that cacti and Qvery case must stand on its own irGivil'ual situation.
Secondly, Mr. Lacasa, this does not app i}' across tile ho,ir-' because in the
- Same way that people in the uric lass ifie'U positions, . 5 opposes'. to
classified positions, are not equal in work. Let mLi t',ive you one pri-.e
example. One prime example says that people in C i:i5 ii ie: , the low tan
as you speak to on the totem pOle, is he works :.1Jr4 ri'ar, ilis '40 hours,
lie: is compensated at titre anc. one half or double ti,;.e , dL:Pendin6 cn the
situation. It is unacceptable in the uriclasiifleQ ii,s1t1ori, no department
head gets overtime. Tnc:y do not get overtime. 5o ti.tre is a dif _-erence
between the 2 classifications. 1 understand what you say, and God knows
for m 11 years here, I have been one that whatever we do is fair and
across thv board. But I blink you have to take into consideration that
there is a difference between the classified and unclassified positions.
Mayor Ferre: All right, I ....
Mr. Lacasa: j. L, I realize...
Mayor there: . . . 1 would hope that we could get ti-iis ovi:r with in the
next minute and ::love on. This is :h-pte r w nicli 1 will be closed
in the history of the City of Miami, and we get on to other things.
"'r. Lacasa: Mr. Mayor, I am going to invoke the privilege that I have
as a City Commissioner...
Mayor Ferre: You have my...
Mr. Lacasa: ...to discuss whatever issue comes here without anv
limit,ition of time. I am well known by the fact that I am one of the
ones that speaks less on this City Commission, and when I speak...
^t.,yk,r Fcrrc: I'm not cutting you off, Commissioner Lacasa.
Mr. Lacasa: ...I would like to have my right respected.
Mavor Ferre: You have the floor, Commissioner Lacasa.
Mr. Lacasa: So, J. L. going back into that c.scussion, yes, 1 ccu
acknowledge the fact that there are differences between classified :,r,c,
unclassified positions. But let's look then for a general policy, ti,en
we•'ll also take. into consideration those diffc.enccs between the
classifiea and the unclassified. What I mean is this, we should
address; this question not on the basis of one person or one position,
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Mr. Lacasa (continued): but on the basis of a general policy. If the
City Commission wants to be so generous with its budget as to give
severance pay to those that resign willingly, and this is the will. of the
City Commission, so be it. But I think that it should be made on
a general basis even though it might take into consideration the
difference between the classified and the unclassified. And I submit to
you an example. Our administrative assistants as secretaries to the
Commissioners work without compensation well over 8 hours per day. They
work weekends, they work —today for instance, we'll be here until God
knows when and they will be here too. And they don't receive any overtime
for that particular over work. So this is something that will have to
be considered. So if we are going, I repeat, to entertain as a matter of
policy that whenever somebody in a high position resigns he should be
given severance pay, we should establish a general policy that everybody,
taking into consideration whatever differences between the classified
and unclassified, and that is for the City Manager and the administration
to give us a recommendation. And we should implement over this basis,
a fair approach, so equitable, so everybody here has the same rights
regarding of whether or not they make 50,000 a year of they make only
10,000 a 'year.
Mayor Ferret Father Gibson.
Father Gibson: Mr. Mayor, let me say this. I hope my fellow Commissioners
remember me. And or you who may not have been here, I'm sure the labor
union People remember this. I am the guy who got the City to move from
the position of letting all these employees accumulate all this time so
they could rape the pension fund off when they got ready to leave. Do
you remember that? Yes. Mel Reese was the beginning. I insisted then,
and I continue to insist. So much so, that we, at least the policy is
you have a vacation, you take it. And I point it out. And if a man does
not take his vacation he cannot properly perform at maximum for us. Now,
1 know there are extenuating circumstances. And let's assume in this
instance the man has a family and all of that. Unfortunately, I want
to put this in the record, he should have been smarter than he was the
way he handled himself. He's a big boy. He's a big boy. nobody asked
him to resign. And I could tell this public, contrary to the newspaper
article, nobody asked him to resign because he told me Friday what he
was being to do. And he mentioned this 3 to 4 months business. So you
know that I am not pulling anybody's chestnut out of the fire and I
don't have any hidden agenda. One thing I learned, a liar has to have a
good memory and if you do it today, you keep in mind that there is a
tomorrow. Mr. Mayor, so that we can get off dead center, get rid of this
matter, press on to the mark of high calling to run this City, and
hopefully, get some things done I'll go for the 3 months so we can get
through and get it off the agenda.
Mr. Plummer: I'll buy that. I second the motion.
Mayor Ferre: All right, there's a motion and a second. Call the roll.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Gibson, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-313
A MOTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER
TO PAY THREE (3) MONTHS SEVERANCE SALARY TO FORMER
CITY MANAGER RICHARD L. FOSMOFN TOGETHER WITH ANY
_ OTHER ACCRUED BENEFITS AND ESTABLISHING THAT THE
PAYMENT IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS A POLICY OF THE
CITY COMMISSION
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open Ming seconded by Commissioner Pluimmer, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Co=aissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
,savor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: Comzissioner Armando Lacasa
AfiSEtiT: Cownissioner Joe Carollo
ON ROLL CALL:
,;r. Lacasa: In voting no, I want to express the reason I a- votin5 ::C,
is because I feel that if the City is going to tlave t:~is policy, it
should apply to every employee and not only to those wi;c have :1ig:1
salary or high positions.
Father Gibson: Let rise make this clear. 'This J ;;onths applies only,
write_ t;at in red letters, only to Mr. FosmoCn. AnvbcGy else who is
an Assistant Manager or anything ei5e, they :lust be Gc<:it with
ll3liv. And r;.aite sure ... and underscore tills. "nat is not tht'
policy. And, I vote yes.
--\'Gr 'Terre. i'v iike to expiailn %.v Vote. --ar., :�icliard Fos-oen,
Camu to tGe �.it'i , 4 1/2 years-, ,o. And ::e servec for ,4 years as
and did 3 very D j0I.7. "Or ti.e past
11tl,s, ne has served ::s acting City �.ana�,er uncer a tremencous aMount
c' l;rv�7sure. k;c I think the man ucquitu:l L---selfwCil. :how, the
cemp,2nsation and the policy of the City cf Mia :i can only affect those
}people when tl,-.e Co=MASsian ceiiberates that report to thu Co-mmission.
The cnly 3 peoi le that work for the Commission are the City Attornev,
t.0 City :£ti;L: f t i', and the City Clerk. Now, undo Y the Charter, there is
r,,- _,..ch a-,, actini, City ,:anat,i;r. 5o in ofAfuct, this man was
a,:er for 7-cnths. He is our responsibility. And I think that
we i.a\'c t� de+iberate on this and ccrtainl\it is not a common
occurrence for city Tanagers to leave. This is the 2nd time we've had
it in recent years in this form. Now, I don't think it's any big
,urprisc or sucrut that Mr. F%zir:noen, .-1tnough he resigned voluntarily,
resi`ne- r very difficult circuNstancus. And I think we have to
take that into account. Lastly, I want to just give you 2 quotes that
are not mine, but one is from my friend Steve Ross. He say's -
"it's easy to be a bad loser. What's hard is to be a bad winner." I
think we've got to be very careful that that perception is not in any
way promulgated because I don't think that's the case. And the last
thing is I guess from the bible, and that is vengenance is Tine said
the Lord. And I vote yes.
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2. PROPOCLL POLICY OF CITY CO'_uilS SICk, <_.GA:.D1i G :'A`:,;i.,.T OF
SEVLRA:�C;: PAY FO:' i::.:'LOYLES L_'DER TKEIR .itRISDICTI6c:
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I'd like to offer a motion at this time that the
City Manager be instructed to do the necessary research to establish
a policy of severance for all future employees.
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mayor Ferre: All right, there is a motion and a second. Further
discussion?
Mr. Plummer: Under discussion. Mr. Mayor, I somewhat agree with
Commissoner Lacasa. I think this should be a policy, and why I think is
when a man comes to work he knows exactly what he is going to be
receiving. It will take the guess work out. It will eliminate a lot
of problems. If a man is hired today, he is hired on a certain salary,
he knows what his salary is, he knows what his work conditions is, and
he knows what his severance is if he leaves. So I would like to see
such a policy established.
Mayor Ferre: That's very good. 'Under discussion on that, *;r. Gary,
under discussion on the policy, I think we have to distinguish in the
future those who as City Manager, City Attorney, or City Clerk, which is
really all we can deal with as far as the Commission compensating somebody
because the rest of it really, if an assistant Citv Attorney retires, that's
something that falls within the Purview of the Citv Attorney. IWw. I
think it's appropriate for us to set general policy for the City. As
we deliberate into that, I would like to r..-,ep in mind that there is a
big difference between one, the case of a ❑.an retiring; with a pension,
two, the case of a man resigning to take a:iother job, a man or a woman;
and three, the case of either a man ... t}.ree, in case of a man being
fired for non-performance; and four_ which is I think a very different
case, the resignation or the force, resignation, or the resignation of
a man through no apparent wrong doing of his own but purely due to
circumstantial reasons. And I don't know how in the world you're going,
to define those, but I think those are 4 very distinct cases that we...
Mr. Plummer: Mayor, I agree and disagree with you. One, I agree
with you that there are positions other than Manager, Attorney adn
Clerk. But I see nothing wrong as you said to the assistant attorneys.
Yes Mr. Knox retains control, but the policy can be set by this Commission.
And if we establish, for example, a policy of 10% of his pay as severance,
then that's what Mr. Knox will abide by in dealing with that Assistant
Attorney. I think we have, and should set the policy that filters all
the way. We can only effectively deal with those 3 which are directly
under our control. But the policy I think we should set.
Mayor Ferre: I agree with that. Without further discussion then?
Call the roll.
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The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Piu:rmer, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-314
A MOTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER
TO RESEARCh AND PROPOSE A CITY CO�L%IISSIO\ POLICY
REGARDING SEVERANCE PAY FOR ALL L'\CLASSIFIED CITY
�PLOYEES OPERATING IL FUNCTIONS L-N DER ThE CONTROL
OF THE CITY COMMISSION SPECIFICALLY D::FI\ED AS CITY
MANAGER'S EMPLOYEES, CITY ATTORNEY'S EMPLOYEES, AND
CITY CLERK'S EMPLOYEES
Upon, being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
A':ES: Co=,issioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mavor Maurice A. Ferre
"NOES: Zone
AhSi:N1: Commissioner Joe Carolio
F0LLO'VI\C ROLL CALL:
E:ay or Fore: On the previous question, on the record, so that there's no
COflfusi?n now, M'r. FosmDen is entitled to his vacatiGn and whatever it
is.
Father Gibson: That's right.
Mayor Ferro: Is that correct?
Mr. Plu,.� er: That's not the question.
Mr. Gary: That's correct.
Mayor Ferre: Any further discussion on the...
Xr. Plummer: Well, wait a minute. Let me clarify one thing, only by
virtue of what Father said. I am concerned of a discrepancy between
what Father said in the position determining the rate of pay. Now,
are you going to go on a 7/12th's. Is that what you're going to do?
In other words, he served as Manager for 7 months. I would assume his
vacation and earned, or whatever it is that he's entitled to will be
based on his being a Manager.
Mr. Gary: It will be...
Mr. Plummer: Okay. I just want that clear so there's no discrepancy
lat�•r.
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2 (a) . I.ITFFDFA':AL FROi: COi•;SItD. ERATIO:: OF 7T1; YLA�, COiu;U .ITY
DCCELOPi] F:T BLOC;: G?A11T I;'
COCOi%i:T GF:CVE
Mayor Ferre: One withdrawn.
Mr. Gary: I need to explain to the City Commission. Item number 1
has been withdrawn due to the fact that the CD Advisory Board which
originally agreed to allocate $50,000 of their CD allocation from the
Coconut Grove Family Health Planning to the Miami Mental Health Services
later reversed that decision. Therefore, we are not in the position of
allocating $50,000 from the Family Health Center due to that decision.
So I asked that this item be withdrawn and Let Ms. Spillman sit down
kith the Miami Health. ..Mental Health Care and Family Health Planning;
Center to develop some alternatives.
Fattier Gibson: Let me make sure, as she sits down, this is understood.
That money originally belonged to the Mental Health portion of that
clinic. I just want to make sure nobody comes here shucking and jiving;
when you come back here. That money originally belonged to the Mental
cif that program. Conveniently, they took the money and
put it in the medical site. Conveniently. Then, however, you had all
those alcoholics out on the corner shooting up, and hitting up, and
knocking; up, and those people needed some help, which was a phase of
life for those people that was not addressed. What happened is they
got to the right people on the committee and to reverse it. And I'm
going; to be right here when you come back to find out how in the devil
you're going to do such a thing because if you have all those alcoholics
and drunks, and all those derelicts out there, you ought to deal with
the: just like you deal with the other people. I want Ms. Spillman to
keep that in mind and all, a-1.-1, all the others.
Mayor Ferre: Anything; else?
3. ALLOCATE ,;15 , 000 C.O. LLGC;. GR . FL -I. DS r C r. DO'.',y T O'....
Pt.DF.ST %IA.' STUDY
Mayor Ferre: We're on item number 2 now, allocation of 15,000...
Mr. Plummer: Move it.
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mlayur Ferre: Its been moved and seconded. Further discussion on item
2:' Call the roll.
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The Ioll.owln�- resolution was introduced by Co ;:Lissioner Plummer, W :,:?
moved its adoption:
o": WLITIuN NO. 61-315
A RESOLUTION ALIOCATIN'G $15,000 Or CO`u.4NITY DEVELOPMENT
hLOCK GRANT FUNDS TO THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT
AiTHORITY FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING A DOW\10WN
PEDESTRIAN STUDY; AND FURTHFR AUTHORIZING THE CITY
MIANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT FOR A PERIOD OF ONE
YEAR WITH SAID AGENCY TO CONDlCT SAID STf:DY IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE ATTACHED MEMORANDUM FROM THE
DEPARTMENT OF C 21flUNITY DEVELOPMENT
(Here follows body of resolution, omitteki here and on f iie
in the Office of the City Clerk).
,pon bt,�in5 seconded by Commissioner Lacasr., the resolution, was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner .1. L. Plu=er, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mice -Mayor (REv.) Theodore R. Gibson
`:a., or 'Maurice A. Ferro
NOES: None
ABSENT: ;'or.1;:�_ �i..,,er ...,;r Carolijc,
4. .O ._.rL i.�: �..t ..:�� �0. , , : GC:.,
P.A. A.S 1:i:- lI.,C-
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Mayor Ferre: Motion on 3?
Fat: et: Gibbon; M,-vc.
Mr. Plur vr: Is iL .:casing out of the City Attor�iey's budget?
Mayor Ferre: No, it comes out of the Watson Island, doesn't it?
Mr. Plummer: Second.
�'.ayor Ferre: ias it been moved?
Fatter Gibson: I rcoved.
Mayor Fore: Father Gibson moved, Plummer seconds. Further discussion.'
Cali the roll on 3.
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The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gibson , who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-316
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO EMPLOY
THE FIRM OF FINE, JACOBSON, BLOCK, KLEIN, COLLN & SIMON,
P.A. TO PERFORM SPECIALIZED LEGAL COUNSEL TO THE
CITY IN MATTERS BEFORE THE SOUTH FLORIDA REGIONAL
PLANNING COUNCIL AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA LAND AND
WATER ADJUDICATORY COMMISSION AND THE FIRST DISTRICT
COURT, AND AUTHORIZING UP TO $31,000 TO BE ALLOCATED
FOR THIS PURPOSE FROM WATSON ISLAND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
FUNDS AND APPROVING THAT THIS BE RETROACTIVE TO
DECEMBER, 1980
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice-i-iayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo
5. ALTEORIZZ CITY ATTG.-.:'LY TO Ei,TLOY FIIC: CF BF.YA.. i , ':ILLS:. Ai.D
GLIVEP AS SPZCIAL CGU,-Si:L 1.1 :-ATTLES BZFGRF. FIRST DISTRICT
COUF.T ki-D STAT:: OF FLORIDA LA-D &'D DATE ADJUDICATORY
1-n- Trr_..'%
Mayor Ferre: Is there a motion on 4? A similar matter.
Father Gibson: Move.
Mayor Ferre: Moved by Father Gibson.
Mr. Plummer: Is that coming out of the City Attorney's budget?
Mr. Knox: Watson Island.
Mayor Ferre: Watson Island, Capital Improvement Fund.
Mr. Plummer: I'll second it. I'm doing that for a purpose. I'm
going to remind you of this at budget time.
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The following resolution was introduced by Comr.,issioner Gibson, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NG. 81-317
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY hTTOTtiEY TO
E CLOY THE: FIRki OF BRYANT, MILLER AND OLIVE
TO PERFORM SPi.CIALIZED LEGAL COII�SEL TO THE
C.IT'i IN A`.ATTERS BEFORE THE FIRST DISTRICT COUi�T
AND THE: STATE OF FLORIDA LAND WATER
AI)JI:DICATORY CO*MISSION, AND AUTHORIZING i:P TO
'35,000 TO BL ALLOCATED FOR THIS PCK26<'E FRO:11
G A T S�iN I SLAIND CAPI'k tVLL 1,, lPROV :?ENT F'CN,DS AN
Au'PROVI;:G THAT THIS BE RETROACTIVE TO
FFBRUARY, 1981
0Ierl: f,-1Iow, - bodV lei re5oluticii, o_iLtr� P,er�. and on Ille
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Cozmmisbioncr Plur„r-ier, the resolution was
passed an,; adopted by the following vote:
Jr.
issioner Ar; ,in"'o i_acasa
,ice-Mavor (Rev.) Theodore X. uibson
Xayor Maurice A. r-erra
"oL.S : NC)ne
Ab,,i:�T. Con -.is. i"ner Joe Caroiio
SE..r.C'i ll, C: itES': �i:Cii : �CE:Pi: T C0 v' .
b. _ -•_ .�i::G rACTi,Iii i'i\�' CT
:
C iisvl i Ilrr�'_: ltl'iii J, I\l's tl.ar C:": Cl:: porat lon for the
Government Center 2..rking Facility Project. Is there a motion?
Mr. PluTmier: Xove to deny.
:Mayor Ferro: Weil, why don't you explain why.
Mr. Plummer: well, the reason why, Mr. Mayor, I don't think we need
a leasin- manager. If we don't have the capabilities in-house, let's
get them. Part of this is in 2 parts. One, which is the design
the retail. I've got no problem with that. But I'll be damned
ii I'm going to pay an outside leasinh manager when I've got all these
i�ol,le in=house.
M;iyor i•erre: Well, let's near iron Li.c aaI^ir.istr tio::.
:.:..•r. a ::lrt_'zzi:1' n.iVl Lt..:L s b'Py 'L Ci 6 :i:LC, G.:t 1
i0t the rest oI the Cie:^.:laS; P. be
. i[ l�.i. ,' . . �', r. nl1Uh'le�i,,c', P:i i`::iV� :- ut-��, i,C::....5b�. .arm t.....� .•u J�% T.GL
tt•.'h!1,tC'al 0A1)t rtisN on 1'anz. 1 WCLIC 11.t10 :: r Mr. Kaul::.ann
t 0 Lhe pr.,s una C utla .. L. e r %j�G i i1 , 5 '.;1, :a L:.e pros end
of hlr1[i2; bOLA-body On a. 51'1*1ti;a!iv17L D"_'>is ha vpj,Gpc7 to a contractual
Ft-rrL': Mr. rinuft:i:int..
Mr. Morris Kaufmann: Good morning Mr. Mayor, Mr. Commissioners. It was
felt by the administration that there is not in-house expertise to advise
this...to advise on how to configure the space for the maximum return that
is intended for this parking garage. As you know, the feasibility study
indicated very forcefully that the revenues to be derived from the
leasing space is a very important part of the success of this venture.
And it was felt that a management firm who has expertise in shopping
centers and in retail space leasing and mangement would be the most
beneficial for the City.
_ Mr. Plummer: Mr. Kaufmann, is it by design or intent that we're
selecting a firm but yet there's no contract, there is no stipulated
price, or anything?
Mr. Kaufmann: The intent here, sir, is to negotiate a contract and there
are 3 different kinds of ways that we can determine how to pay the
frim. One is out of sale of revenue bonds which would really be an
advance against...
Mr. Plummer: That's not my problem, Mr. Kaufmann. My problem is how
much are they going to get? There's nothing spelled out in the
documents before us. Are they going to get a percentage, and if so,
how much? Is it a flat fee? If so, how much? You're asking me to
approve something and you're not giving me what they're going to receive
for this.
Mr. Kaufmann: I see. We did have a sample contract and that is now...
I really couldn't put it forward to you because it's being studied by
our bond counsel.
Mr. Plummer: Then I would suggest, sir, that whoever has the copy of
the sample contract, that they be asked to vote on this, and not us, sir.
Mayor Ferre: Why don't you just come back ... why don't you defer this
item until you're better prepared.
Mr. Plummer: And I would also hope, Mr. Mayor, that it will come back
in 2 portions rather than a grouping. I vote right now to allow a
company to come in to help them design. There's no problem with that
to get the best utilization out of it. But I am totally opposed...
Mayor Ferre: Wait, J. L. Let's do it that way. Make that motion
and then the other one you're...
Mr. Plummer: I make a motion that this item be deferred and that it
be brought back in 2 separate items with more information.
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Its been moved and seconded. Further discussion? Call
the roll.
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The following motion was il,tro.iuced by Corznlssioner Piula:ner, who
moved it6 adoption:
MOTION NO. 51-31E
A MOTION DEFERRING CONSIDERATION OF SELECTION OF A
PROFESSIONAL LEASE MANAGER FOR MTMIERCIr L -N'D
RETAIL SPACE IN THE DOWNTOWN GOVERNMENT C;:\TER PARK ItiC
FACILITY PROJECT AND FI-RTHER INSTRUCTING. THE CITY
MANAGER TO BRING SUCH ITEINI BACK FOR TilEIR CONSIDERATION'
AS T�%O SEPARATE ITEMS, NA*IEL1', TEE, CO-o—S LTING ASPECT
VHICH WOULD HELP IN THE DESIGN AND LAYOi.:T OF ThE
PHYSICAL SPACE, AND SECONDLY, THE POSSIBLE HIRING OF
A F:':.L TIME, IN-HOUSE INDIVIDUAL WhO COULD iiANDLE THE
LEASING/:L-'LNAGING ASPECT ONCE IT HAS BLLN bICiLT
Lpon beiIig seconded by Commissioner 'Lacasa, thu motion was paJs`d
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Co„.mi.�sioner Ar,,,ando Lacasa
'ice-Mavor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mavor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
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Mr Plummer: 1 move item number 6.
CCC Fc:;c: ic're nok- em o. its ber.� s:weu by Plummer. Is
there a svcon:..
Mr. Lacasa:
Mayor Ferre: Seconded by Lacasa.
Mr. P lu: mvr: Mr. :'layer, I w-:nt to ii:4icate for the record, t::at 1
had formerly voted against this. Pretty much it has been shown to Ir.v
wh--c is �;oir,s o:;. I still woula rather have it in its total so I
would know one bit-ndinb with the other. But I think we're into
a tir.,e bind, and I would hope in the future that the committee who is
Ihr,rh�_c witi. this, responsibility will sc� fit tc bring to this
Cur::,issier: :� total package all at one time. So, hope ::ully, with
wurnin,, to the future, I understand the uilemra now, I wi;i r;.ove for
cipijrovai itcm. number 6.
,.>on: -IL"'01-1d.
::.iyoi- icrrc. All right its been moved and
rail on item number 6.-
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The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81.-319
A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE CITY MANAGER'S SELECTION
OF J. FUHRMAN, BERNARD BRENNER, SCULPTURE
ASSOCIATES, TO CREATE AN ORIGINAL SCULPTURE FOR THE
SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AT
1280 N.W. 20TH STREET, MIAMI, FLORIDA; AUTHORIZING
THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT IN
SUBSTANTIALLY THE FORM ATTACHED HERETO BETWEEN THE CITY
AND THE ARTIST FOR A FEE OF $9,900; AND TO USE
POLLUTION CONTROL AND INCENERATOR BOND FUNDS FOR
SAID PURPOSE
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
L,j,;.::,issioner Armando Lacasa
rice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo
ITY �iA-.AGER TO SOLICIT PROPOSALS:
:�T'T1:r,RIL� C
SAILBOAT Fl..:TAL COI'CESSIOi:S AT DAVID PA&i; A:.11 DI.:.'ER I:aY
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Mr. Plummer: Item 7, move.
Mayor Ferre: Moved by Plummer...
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mayor Ferre: ...seconded by Lacasa. Further discussion? Call the
roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-320
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO
SOLICIT PROPOSALS FOR THE OPERATION OF SAILBOAT
RENTAL CONCESSIONS AT DAVID KENNEDY PARK AND
IJINNER KEY MARINA
(',re follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
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Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferro:
;DOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo
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CA'' Al C::A!,I..:'\.
::ayOr Terre. understand %(a) has been withurawn. is that correct.'
`:r. P r: i:ny:
`:r. o,,ri.:,::.: Moru information, Co=iissicncr.
'�C'' e.:c'. i'._. tcii you, W}.en I heard this `-nee, i CaIlea up
l�E ilZ.ie. 1 Wlbr. +ible to :.L. K to him but i t i11— to Kitty
k't vi i:iOl t t..is. :ill What t:iis uOEs, It puts Out or i catetor%
5e.k','tiu:i :�' srC,'11.1 t wn'o is 4oing tc Co till' architectual
ue.s..ri worn. N'ow... 1 understand that the theory is t;l3t llT'itil We have
L'.__,:.,.rncc ,..Cnie;. ::;I the project itself, that. we aon't want to go
cat for c�si5n :.oapetition. But that has not always been t'tie case.
-.-r example, it ;:asr,'t that way with the Riverwalk which we designed
before we went cut. So I think there's ample precedent. And I got
a ph,�ne call from., Mrs. Hills who is the chairman of that committee
the them r.. Hers of the co::nittee, and they are very anxious
tn.:t wu proceec in the negotiations because you and I both know you're
talking about several months anyway. To delay this process is just to
delay the time.
Mr. Grimm: I understand that, Mr. Mayor, but I want to rewind the
Commission that you already have a contract for this kind of work
on the par'r-I which you haven't cancelled. And I wanted to avoid that
embarrassment to the Commission. You know, you...
Mayor Ferre: Well., I don't see any embarrassment in...
Mr. Grimm: ...you still have a contract for exactly this with
Edward Durrc,ll Stone, Jr.
but 1 do,.'t st_l' al:y c'::barr.i>� - * -f .tinh
:,,..�r.� �
u lu f<aCl the process oI selecting an archite:t. moll wD it i;Ut
Dui rrll Stony,...
k't il, you hive already. the notices i,.wL "IrL:��cV
uul ih,,l'., what I found our.
Mi,yor Terre: So what's the prob1er.r.?
Mr. Grimml: Well, you're starting a process to select a consultant....
M.,yor Ft•rre: Look, time is of the essence.
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Mr. Grimm: You're authorizing this to be done in that manner.
Mayor Ferre: I don't mean to be morbid about this, but this man is what,
84 years old?
Mr. Grimm: But you're not going to do it with him, you're going to do it
with somebody else.
Mayor Ferre: You know just as well as I do that this guy is the key,
part and parcel of this whole project. Now this isn't me talking. We
appointed a committee. The committe has deliberated on this. Its got
every single person that's been involved in this whole process from
Mrs. Hills to you name it, and I think that we shoula follow their
recommendation in beginning the process. Now, that d.,_ nean that
a selection is going to be made next month or 2 months from now, but
certainly you should go out for the bid thing. Certainly you should go
through the review, and I hope that in that time in those 2 months
you'll work out whatever differences. So I...
Mr. Plummer: You can't vote on it, its been withdrawn.
Mayor Ferre: Well, I think that the Commission can certainly put on the
agenda, and I as Mayor, and you as the Commission can put on the
agenda anything you want.
Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr. Mayor, I'll vote for the item. I was prepared
to vote for it this morning. But you know, I think that we've got to
play fair with the public. And that is, if the public is informed that
an item is withdrawn, they then would take a position of maybe not
coming here to speak on the item.
Mr. Lacasa: This is not a public hearing.
Mayor Ferre: See, this item.
Mr. Plummer: No, no. Excuse me. It was scheduled for an action.
And it was with...
Mayor Ferre: It was just withdrawn yesterday, J. L. I really think
we're just taking... that we're just delaying this thing unnecessarily.
We can always delay it in the future. So I will accept the motion...
Mr. Lacasa: I make a motion.
Mayor Ferre: ...by Commissioner Lacasa that we designate the design
services for Bayfront Park Redevelopment, based upon the approved
concept plan prepared by Isamu Noguchi's Category "B" project,
and appoint Carl Kern, Director, of the Department of Parks as chairman
of the Selection Committee. Is there a second?
Father Gibson: Let me ask. Mr. Grimm, are you opposed to this?
Mr. Grimm: NO, I'm not opposed to it, I just didn't think there was
any urgency to it until we found out more information. As an example,
I was concerned about the fact that you have a contract in existence.
Mayor Ferre: Time is of the essence in this thing and...
lother Gibson: All right.
Mayor Ferre: Further discussion? Call the roll. Yes, sir.
Mr. Conner Adams: I'm Conner Adams, President of AFSCME Local 1907.
I would like to ... I agree that our parks, our playgrounds need
redevelopment, need redoing, need beautification. I think this is
a wonderful thing. However, I think that due to the recent lay-off
that it's kind of an assinine thing to start developing parks...
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NOTE: 11R. CAROLLO ENTERS 'MEETING AT 10 : GO A.`'.
Mayor Terre: Mr. Adams, the monies from this are not coming from
regular city sources.
Mr. Adams: I understand.
Mayor Ferre: it's coming from the U.S. Corp. of Engineers, from the
State of Florida...
Mr. Adarais: I understand this. I'm not talking about where the v:onev
is coming from. I'm not addressing that, Mr. :Mayor. V-, saving that
it seems to me that wiiervever the money is co%inb, it set' -,as to Tie a
waste if you're not going to have manpower there to aai„fain these
facilities.
Mayor Ferre: That's a valid point.
fir. Adar.s. And 1 would like to ask the to Keep this in
in the future things they nave on the agenda today.
:Mayor Ferre: Thank you. Further discussion? Call the roll.
The following; resolution was introduced by Comn;isSioner Lacas,, , wti.
movtd its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. E1-321
A RESOLi;T10N DESIGNATING DESIGN' SERVICES BA FRONT
PARK RED EVELOPYJEN' 1 , .;AS D �PCN Tiic :'iPi'r'O`::D CONCEPT
PLAN PR' -.-PARED BY IS,L,ti NOGLCIil, AS A CATEGORY B
PROJECT, AND APPOINTING CA'P:I. KE N, Dii::ECTOI% OF THE
D:-EPAIt;:MEN 0. PA-RRS, AS CiiAIRNIA-N OF _,:` CO°IPETITIVE
SELECTION' �.,uXiNMITTEE, IN ACCORDANCE iili':i UR II:�:LNCE NO.
E965 ADOPTED JULY 13, 1979, 1.111CH ORLINA-NCE ESTABLISHED
P Y,6CEUl RES FOR CONTiRACTI:�G FOR SAID PRO: F-SSIONAL
SZE I,ViCLS .AND ALSO ESTABLISHED CO?TETITIVE
NEGOTIATION' REQUIRiEMENTS WITH REGARD TO THE FURNISHING
OF .SLCH SERVICES
(Eere follows body of resolution, omitted 'here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
;:pon bei;;g by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Co= issioner J. L. Plunmer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
ViceMayor (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
ABSENT: None
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10. RATIFY PL,VD APPKOVL AG.:EEiii—:T: CITY Ai D CALF, .` iITE A-D
ASSOCIATZS Ii'.C. - PRCFLSSIOi.AL ARCIIaITLCTi FAL LLSI"% SE -`".VICES
CURTIS L4—!JJ WLST i,17D PARLIS
Mayor Ferre: We're now on 8 which is the ratification and approving
the agreement between the City and Carr for professional architectual
and engineering so on and so forth, for the Curtis and West End Park.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I'll move it for purposes of discussion.
Mayor Ferre: All right, is there a second?
Father Gibson: Second.
Mr. Plummer: Under discussion, I want to know what is the total
projected cost of the project?
Mr. Gary: I'm sorry. Are we on item number 8?
Mr. Plummer: Item number 8. What is the total projected cost of the
project?
Mr. Ralph Gonzalez: Commissioner, my name is Ralph Gonzalez. I'm
the Assistant Director of Parks. The projected cost of the project
is $751,831. That's the existing budget for it, sir.
Mr. Plummer: And this money ... we have that money restricted?
Mr. Gonzalez: Yes, sir. This money was obtained with a 70% grant
under the Urban Park and Recreation Recovery Program. The City would
match 30% which was allocated under the Parks for People.
Mr. Plummer: All right. At Curtis and West End there are already
community centers. Is that correct? This is for renovation?
Mr. Gonzalez: Yes, sir. There are existing buildings.
Mr. Plummer: NOw, my question is, $700,000 to renovate a building
or two?
Mr. Gonzalez: It is not strictly for the buildings alone. It is both
for the buildings as well as other improvements in the park. For example,
at West End it would entail both the building, the renovation of the
softball field, and the creation of a football field where one does
not exist now.
Mr. Plummer: Okay
Mayor Ferre: Further discussion? If not, call the roll, please.
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le following resolution was introduced by Cos:,:-AFsioner Plummer , who
„oved its adoption:
RESOi'L:1I01� NO. 6 -3 ,2
A RESOLUTION RAT1n'1N1, �t i) :�: i RC�'i,: , ";iii_ ATTACh.:D
I7XECi:TrD AGREEXENT BETWEEN liiF CITY 01- XIA.Vl AND
CARR, SMIiIi AND ASSOCIATES, INC. TO PROVTDL
PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECTUR.AI. AND FNG1\EER:';G DLSIG�
SLR`'ICI S FOR CO?YICNITY BUILDINGS AT CURTIS AND
'WEST END PARKS A,AD SWI�NiING PGOL ACC" -:SS
RENOVATIONS AT kr.ST END AN ShENA\DOAh PARKS
(Here follows body of resolution, o-mitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
�1�on ein�Z ;,econdt-:d by Gibson, tC+c• rt'SOtutlC,;l W;ls
passe a;; a.dopted by the fclioWin€ Vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
ion,.!r Joe Carollo
Commissioner Aru,-ndo Laca--a
Cite-X-iVOr (Rev.) �hcodore ri. �:�"usol;
Y,a-:cr Maurice A. 'rerre
N`iL5: 1cn1�
ASS.;:; : :,t.n�,
v:C�
Mayor Ferre: 'lake up 9.
Mr. Lacasa: Move.
Ferre: Its been move'.
Father Gibson: Second.
"Savor Ferre: Seconded. Further discussion?
Mr. Carollo: Yes, Mr. Mayor. Aster we vote on this iter:, I Would
appreciate it if the City Manager would remember to provide the
information that was requested, to find out from all the departments
locally that have this equipment. That would include local law
enforcement, state and federal which are stationed local.
Mr. Gary: Commissioner Carollo...
�tr. I'i„mmt r: 1 have a cail, Mr. t,ary, :ii,14 t:•r a Gay :ir G one
il.11l i;; to Mr. Murphy. As you iC110w, ,it ti:c :.u�'Lll:b We hcili in yL
l promisca that I would ger ., r:u:rber. So Jot:, it "I-VDOdy,
:1:1 t . I nave a call in to Mr. 4wrpily r il. is chu 1 iaison
i„ twlen lhi' C:iLV :illy: `Iotorola and he has not c",!�c me back. ;;ut
1 tivj>t CC. t-v,• an answer today.
MI". (.arOi10: i 7-;10W VOU'rt, bi1.1', J. i.., Durvlr.-, tr:c de'ac, So I don't
W:1nt tO Put any extra burden on you, tl,erCLOrU, i WOU1u appreciate
it if our City Manager Lakes the full re:,ponsit,ility. You see, I
.:11,11t h0l.i you as responsible as I cal: hold
(im;:-.•r: No, more so.
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Mr. Gary: In response, Commissioner Carollo, we will comply with your
request.
Mr. Carollo: Thank you.
Mayor Ferre: All right, further discussion? Call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa , who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-323
A RESOLUTION WAIVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR FORMAT. SEALED
BIDS FOR FURNISHING 7 DIGITAL VOICE PRIVACY SATELLITE
RADIO SYSTEM SETS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF POLICE;
AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE FROM ;•MOTOROLA, INC., THE ONLY
KNOWN SOURCE; AT A TOTAL COST OF $40,902.00; ALLOCATING
FUNDS FROM AN LEAS GRANT IN THE AP•MOLNT OF $35,011.00
AND FROM THE 1980-81 CAPITAL EQUIPMENT BUDGET OF THE
DEPARTMENT OF POLICE IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,891.00;
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE PURCHASING AGENT
TO ISSUE A PURCHASE ORDER FOR THIS EQUIPMENT
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon -being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
_ Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
ViceMayor (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
0.14 ROLL CALL:
Mr. Carollo: Before I vote on this item, I'd just like to very
briefly give an explanation on my reasons for attempting to get
additional information on this. We have to draw a line as to what this
Commission thinks is the main priority of the City of Miami Police.
Is it fighting street crime with uniform police officers in the streets,
or is it going to be playing Starsky and Hutch? When our Police
Chief came before this Commission the first time, what he stated, and
what was understood, was that this is going to be an item that
apparently as he felt the City of Miami Police was going to be the
only agency that would have this kind of radio equipment. He also
stated that it was extremely vital that we would have this equipment.
At the same time, I find out from memorandums that this original
request for this equipment has started 2 1/2 years ago. So apparently,
it wasn't as vital as he stated that it was. Otherwise, we would have
bought this a long time ago if the funds could have been found in an
item that's $41,000 total, to have bought this radio equipment -if it
-0 :tally that vital to the City. I think we have to draw the line
not only in the Police Department, but in all departments in the City
of Miami as to what is really vital to make the City operate and for
our priority needs, and what are luxury items, what are luxury equipment
that we really don't have to get. The bottom line is that the Federal
government is taking approximately a little over $35,000 of this
total bill and we're going to be paying a little under $6,000. Chief
insists that this is vital. Since the Federal is taking the vast
majority of the bill for it, and since the City Manager will provide
me the information that I've requested so that it could be on record
for the future, I would vote yes for this item now.
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Mr. Plu,TT,-;er: In voting, let me since ... we! I, i w;: not the r.-,akor of the
motion, but I hope that the maker of the motion wu;uid be it approval
subject to that information being liven to Cor-niissioner Carollo and
all of us. Also, Mr. Mayor, let me say to you that as you directed, or
this Commission directed, Mr. Lacasa... excuse me, Mr. Carollo and I
Inet with the Manager and the Police Chief. Mr. Mayor, I want to tel:
you that I think that meeting was fruitful and I want to tell you why.
l:r. Carollo brought out at that meeting, and rightfully sc, something
that has been said in the past, I have said, others have said. There
is a great need, Mr. for this Commission to be fully informed.
And as such, we need more backup material. It would be the right
of each Commissioner to decide whether or not he wants to read it or make
himself very familiar with it. And 1 fully understand fir. Carollo's
concern in this particular case, and more so, on the next item, which as
been withdrawn. That in fact, it could be misunderstood the way it
appears on the agenda and what it is in reality.
`'.,. :ter For(--: And ;:,isused.
Mr. Plu--:ner. Anc ,:.isused is yCll wish. Jllt ei.nt i':.. 5.1`'lnl; 1� i -,!-.ink
thLiL really what came out of that meeting, I hOpr t1 we were iib I
i:'.✓mess .ipon till' nc•w Manager that test. name of thy' iamc is i,iCOrniaLlon.
And as Mr. Care, to rightfully brought out, this b•, hirl, and others, could
b %,,r•� t-,iSiiy r.:LSiLGC:rStOi)d ar;d tia Ci:l-N' wa_' CC' :,Uel ) "�,wn that
is that the Manager furnish to all of us all 1nCormation
is ."i':ailabi.i'. And It would be up CO 115 1nC,1�'I.Gllaily -T wQ Y:iSCI
t,� pur;,ue and to .acquaint our -,elves with al1 of the
....nK, Xr. Xiyor , L sat the meeting C.11at was directed h%-
-is Was a F1(G meetin` I hope the frliit5 of that will Co,.e
cut in tiat we all can be better informed.
ivor lorre:
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l in-'W(11' i `;es.
1T::.. :iATh'r.Ir^.: j ;.'i�.1�., is Ci:.:I��IO:'�1', CA:�ILL`J
OLI: t CHIEF 1uGA:.JI.�G :NEE) FOR ELECTRO.'IC EQUIP:1L*:T
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, if I may just say a few more words or. that topic.
1 appreciate my colleagues remarks. I think they were accurate. The
only area that I think was a little lacking was that I even questioned
t`.e fact that even if we would have voted to approve item 10 today,
which we're not, the way it appears on the agenda, I think'it would
have been illegal for the Police Department to have gone ahead and
b.,ught some of the other equipment that was tied into this item, t.'I:.iL
.:at. not. ;li:ycec on Cnc agenda. At the salve time, I' : like to bring
cu:t •r.L: f ore ti-,u Comn,is ion t:.at �,rc-' t ly -16l Lrt)t d mL.,at
11,4'i'! 111�•, ..:mat wL' aliti. I think over,,!!
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ion. wilen the met'ting was ended, I was told Somethirit'
tl,.tl tL...L 1.,LL.1-1)L'(1 ML' ana i W,1111L .C' 'L'L :l a::awcr in from
1 C'ith�'r Way, rila.'lnt, t.^.0 _1'c,r ,.: tC, t ::a2ti::t the
ll'I ..[ttLc•d Lu Mu Lhat the ..r i.... .:t beer, able
to ;,r. viCL• l:.lor^',ation that was provided to mo ;iLer this iLe::: ha
�r
Fr t't'il <1t•I 11rt-i't' S%,:.i•L il:.c•, that Cl:U rC:ij Olt Ie� .:a t: . 1-) c: CI: .:. `.1e Lu
.. t/iV rust oI the l.omr.:assizen waa, t.`: L i hac kea.
t tI7at information. Therelorc, h, co.:.d "�Ot give It to
[f,i Crnl �,1 L;ir Cor:-JriSsion. Mr. Vaycr, uie7:-.! eLro ze: the Ccmmiszbion, wLat
copies like I shows i at that ,:,ueting. I did not have
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Mr. Carollo (continued): originals. At the same time when that meeting
ended, I noticed the City Manager had available to him copies of the
same material that I had. So that the information the Chief gave there,
the accusation that he made was not correct. There had to be other
copies of that material available. That wasn't what really disturbed
me. What disturbed me was that when I handed the copies of the material
that were given to me by the Chief back to him, he looked it over and
stated that he wasn't quite sure if that was all the material that had
been given to me. That he felt there had been additional material
that was given to me, but however, since he had not made me sign for it,
and he could not remember exactly what he gave me, he couldn't verify
if that was all that he gave me or not. Mr. Mayor, there was present
at that meeting, and I feel greatly disturbed at the implication since
this had to do with surveillance equipment, bugging equipment, that our
Police Chief tried to imply that I had kept material that could have
been leaked out to other sources that shouldn't be in possession of that
material. Now, I have stated here for the record, I want something in
writing from our Police Chief, if he feels that I kept any material
that he gave me and I did not return it, I want it in writing. Let's
go to the State Attorney's Office. If that's not the case, I want it
in writing, and I want an apology from him. Mr. Mayor, this is another
example, a very good example of why I'm concerned with this equipemnt.
If our Police Chief cannot even remember what material he gave me to
read over as far as to the effect of this equipment, I'm afraid that he
might not remember a lot of other things in the future. But I strongly
resent what he tried to imply in front of press, who was present there,
that he didn't remember all the material that he gave me and that
he felt that there was additional material that he gave me and that
I had not returned it. That is completely untrue.
Mayor Ferre: Well I'd just like to state into the record, accepting
that your recall of that conversation was accurate and totally correct,
that if that is the case, I really don't think it's any position of
any employee of the City of Miami to make that kind of innuendo charge
without having substantive information to back it up. If he wants to...
I think everybody is entitled to make that kind of a charges of a
Commissioner, or the Mayor. I don't think there's any problem with that.
But I think that whoever makes those type of allegations should back
them up. I, too, would like to know exactly what the Chief's position
is, whether his recall of that conversation was the same, and if it was,
I'd like to know what justification he had for making that kind of an
accusation, or an innuendo of an accusation. I mean, it seems to me,
I mean, we all know that there are a lot of tensions around here, it
seems to me that's certainly not the most propitious way to bring the
City back to the clam that is needed for us to move ahead in important
matters that are before us. I would just hope that at that point
you misunderstood what the Chief said, and ... but if you didn't, and if
he did say that, I completely concur with your statement.
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, I hope too that I misunderstood it. But
I'm afraid I didn't. And the people that were within hearing distance,
besides the Chief and myself, the City Manager, and some people from
the press, including Mr. Gjebere who is one individual, a reporter
from the Miami Herald that was there, and I don't know if there was
anyone else from the press who was within hearing distance.
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13. ALT110RIZE AGREEMENT: ;IETRO DADS COU,� Y
LAW E",FGRCEI ENT Bl-"SOURCES
Mayor Ferre: All right, the next item before us is item 11.
Mr. Plummer: I move item 11.
Mayor Ferre: All right, there's a motion on ii.
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mavor Ferre: There's a second. ;Moved by Plummer, secondeu by Lacasa.
Further discussion on item 11? Call the roll, please.
The following; resolution was introduced by Co-- issioner P�ummer , who
t..-)ved its adoption:
RESOLUTION No. 81- 324
-IO:ATHORIZi\G .-E Ci fY :1A';A'ER 10 LX:a:L tL
S-CBSTA';T!ALLY I\ THE FORM ;T 1ACHLD
tic.RE'�0, WITH METRO OLI TAN DADE COL\T'i , PkOVIDIN G
.70R TiiE LAW ENFORCEMENT i":CE: C:1LS 0- ."ir C--TY -D COUNTY
iG RE<< LST FROM A:;D PROVIDE TO EACH OTHER NECESSARY
L: i"ORCE?:ENT RESOURCES; AND FVRTHEI: PRGVIDI'tiG I\
SA! TEH- TER.°M5 t,.0 CONDI i IO\S : N EX WHICH
SAID REQ�I'EST OR PROVISION OF SUCH RESOURCES WILL BE
MADE
(iiere follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Co.;.::issioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
- Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
ViceMayor (Rev.) Theodore C;bson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES. \one
ABSENT: None
A1.*'i,:ORIZI: AGREE:Ih,"T: : s TRG DAM)::. CO::.;TY SPECIAL R. SPO::SL
APPLICATIO..
...olor icrre: item 12.
Niunuuer: Mr. Manager, briefly describe this to us. This is the
i::onitjs for what?
.:.:ry: This was a grant that was in the amount of $3,000,000 that
w,is a,wr,rded to Dads• County as a result of the civil 2:.sturbances
of 1980. Of this $3,000,000, the City will receive
$600,000. Of that, we plan to nirc, train, and put on
t 17 Public Service Aides. These Public Aides will
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_ Mr. Gary (continued): represent members from the target areas, and will
assist the police so that they can begin to do more...
Mr. Plummer: Move item 12.
Mayor Ferre: There's a motion on item 12 by Plummer. Is there a
second?
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Seconded. Is there further discussion? Seconded by
Lacasa. Call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer , who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-325
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER
INTO AGREEMENTS WITH METROPOLITAN DADE COUNTY FOR
FUNDING OF THE PROJECTS UNDER THE SPECIAL. RESPONSE
APPLICATION PROVIDING $573,955 TO THE CITY OF MIAMI
FOR ALLOCATION TO ITS POLICE DEPARTMENT; AND
FURTHER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE
NECESSARY AGREEMENTS TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAMS
DELINEATED THEREIN
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
ViceMayor (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
15. AUTHORIZE AGREE?;EI•:T: FOF.::LR CO::GF.ESSI'Y.:, BILL CRA;:ER-CITY
RLPRLSL»TATIOI+ 11% h'AS:;I/IGTO.;, D.C. 0:� LEGISLATIVE ;:ATTERS
Mr. Lacasa: Move 13.
Mayor Ferre: Well, is there a second to item 13?
Mr. Carollo: Second.
Mavor Ferre: All right, further discussion?
Mr. Carollo: This will be only for one year, right Mr. Mayor?
Mayor Ferre: Cancellable any time on...
Mr. Plummer: 30 days.
Mayor Ferre: No, 60 days is it?
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Mr. Gary: 60 days.
Mr. Carollo: 60 days, but it will expire at the end of one year
regardless of what.
Mr. Gary: Yes.
Mr. Carollo: All right, fine. I still second the notion.
Mayor Ferre: Call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa , who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-326
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO
.NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE FIF_%1 OF CRA."MR
AND CRAMER TO PROVIDE LEGISLATIVE ADVISORY
SERVICES IN WASHINGTON, D.C. WITH SAID NESOTIATED
AGREEMENT TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY CO�^.ISSION
PRIOR TO EXECUTION THEREOF AT A COST NOT TO
EXCEED $2,000 PER MONTH FOR A PERIOD OF ONE
YEAR, SUBJECT TO THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS
(Hare follows body of resolution, emitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice?Savor (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ON ROLL CALL:
Mr. Plummer: Excuse me. Question raised by Mr. Carollo's comments.
Mr. Manager, is it proper that it should be for a period of one year
or the end of the budget year? I have no problem with either one,
I'm only questioning...
Mr. Gary: It's proper to have a contract for one year even though it
may exceed the budget year.
Mr. Plummer: 1 vote yes.
N.jvor Ferre: In voting yes, I want to explain because I forget whether
A. k,iLbre or somebody asked me, in the press, how we could
,justify having Mark Israel and another individual doing work for us
in k;ashington. I would like to explain that Mark Israel is a
technician in following up in major City matters. Mcstiy, at the
administrative level. I don't mean to say that he's a go -for, I mean
to say that he does birddog and get things done for us, and well
justifies his pay. Now, former Congressman Bill Cramer is probably
the second most powerful Republican in the St-te of Florida. He has
a very prestigious law firm in Washington. He :a �s close to the
F� 01 :10ministration as there is. You may have seen recently that
when Arthur Peel came to Miami, Metropolitan Dade County was able
to get an additional $1,000,000 for safety in the bus system. And
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Mayor Ferre (continued): even though obviously that was a decision
of Peel and the Department of Transportation, I know that former
Congressman Cramer was very much involved in that. Washington works
that way. And I have a feeling that we will more than make that
$24,000 up in the next 12 months. The contract, however, is subject to
a 2 month cancellation at any time. And I have no concern. I think
Bill Cramer is going to do one first-class job for the City of Miami
and I vote yes.
16. DISCUSSIOE ITEi;: REACTIOii OF BLACK CO121'?:ITY TO JAr:US REPORT
OF ECONOP IC REDEVIELOPUi;T PLA14'
Mayor Ferre: Now, Mr. Manager, before the motion on 13 was made, I was
going to refer to something with item 12. I see that you have Janus
on the report for this afternoon.
Mr. Gary: Yes.
Mayor Terre: Now, there are 2 things that I am concerned about, and I
would like for somebody to do some thinking and perhaps talking to
Janus. The first thing is that we have City ventures in the community
talking about doing something. And to my amazement, most of the
leadership in the black community, and yesterday I talked to the
head of the NAACP, have some very strong misgivings about City ventures.
I need to ... I think that needs to be understood by this Commission as
to what the problems are and why both of those work hand in hand. The
Janus report is one that comes out of the government's participation.
The City ventures is one that comes completely out of the private
sector. The second point that I need to have clarification on this
afternoon is I noticed in the morning paper that there were some
statements made, evidently the Janus Company has been all over toa-n.
They've made a report to the County Commission, they've made a
report to the Chamber of Commerce, they've made a report to the
Revitilization Board. We seem to be last on the totem pole, but I
understand because our Commission meeting was today rather than last
week. But, out of all of this , has come some rather strong
criticism that it's all pie in the sky, you know, it's all critical,
your bad in this ,and you're bad in that, and we have to have
more people here, and there are not enough blacks in the Chamber of
Commerce, and you know, that's fine and that's all true, by the
way. I subscribe to everything that he said. But I don't think we
need a Janus to come down from Washington or wherever their from,
to tell us what we already know. Now, it's good for them to come
down and remind us. I've got no problems with that if that's part
of something else. But for them to come down and tell us all these
bad things and leave —and period, that's the end of the report is
not acceptable. Now, I expect for them in their presentation this
afternoon to come up with criticisms. That's fine. I also expect
for them to come up with some positive recommendation. One. You
know, I think the criticisms seems to be, and I think it was
Georgia Ayers or somebody who made the statement, well, that's all
very nice ... oh, Green made that statement, but where're we going to
get...where do you propose that we get the money to do this? Where
i,< the financing coming for it? And I think he said, I know hwere
the financing is coming from for prgjects in Coconut Grove, I think
he said Brickell, and the Dadeland area, but where is the money
coming from for the project that you're recommending, and I think
that needs to be addressed, because otherwise, what we're up
against is the same old story. When Dr.Doxiadis
came with his half a million dollar, 2-year study of downtown Miami,
Colonel Wolfson got up and he said, that's all very nice but where's
the money coming from? And Dr. Doxiadis said, well, you didn't hire
mc- for that. You told me you hired me to tell you what you ought to do.
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Mayor Ferre (continued): Now this is what you ought to do. Now,
where you get the money, that's your problem. See? And I think they
have to answer that. So I'm just telling you in the morning because I
know they'll be up here at 4 or 5 o'clock this afternoon.
17. AC'i;;Ole, IZE AGRLE:!E,;T: BISCAY"1.E hiV! YACHT CLCB
Mayor Ferre: We're on item 13(a) with the Biscavne Ba.: Yacht Club.
Plummer. Biscayne Bay Yacht Club. It's item 13(a). You had some
concerns in the past.
Xr. Plurn-,er: Mr. Mayor, my concerns are obviousi : to oe
resolved. It's a difference of a legal a,-)inlon, aF, I'll have tU
bow to the legal boo-boos that say my opinions don't hold Biscayne b.ly
»titer. I still contend that I'm, ri.gilt, but it's not obviously
defensible. So, Mr. Mayor, I will withdraw...
i . is there a motion then on 13'a)? Do you want to
;ke a motion .i,;ainst it?
::r. c:arciio: I' 11 make a motion to move item 13(a) .
X,-,vor Ferre: is thQrt a second?
Xr. . Lac_usa : Second.
Xa-,, or Ferre: Mcved by Caroilo, seconded by Lacasa. 'Further discussion?
Cull the roll.
i:. Mowing resolution was introduced by Commissioner Caroilo , who
r.o;cd its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-327
A KESOL'I T lON AUTEGRIZING ThE CITY Xa:-XACER TO ENTER
A LEASE AGREEMENT, IN SUBSTANTIALLY THE
FORS: ATTACHED HERETO, BETtiTEN THE CITY OF MIA`:I AND
THE BISCAYNE BAY YACHT CLUB FOR CERTAIN DESCRIBED
CITY-01VNED BAY BOTTOM PROPERTY FOR A PERIOD OF
15 YEARS
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the resolution was
pissed and adopted by the following vote:
A'iL Co=T-Assioner J. L. Pluzrmer, Jr.
Com::.is;,ioner Joe Caroilo
Commissioner Armando Lacas.:
`: i ct-klayor (Rev.) Theodore i;ibso:,
:aurice A. Ferre
A1SSENT: :,one
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Mayor Ferre: I think under the circumstances, we had to do something.
This has been pending now for 2 1/2 years. I'm glad we have it resolved.
I vote yes.
18. AUTHORIZE CO!Tll�.UED EX El'DITURE OF FU:;DS: i•WAGE,:&:T SE: VICES
COW&V TIOii CENTER
Mr. Plummer: Move 13(b).
Mayor Ferre: Is there a second?
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Further discussion? Call the roll.
T;ic following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer , who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-328
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CONTINUED EXPENDITURE
OF FENDS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT SERVICES
AGREEMENT FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI ATNIVERSITY OF MIA.*tI
JA-fES L. KNIGHT INTERNATIONAL CENTER BETk'EEN THE
CITY OF ?llAMI tVND MIAMI CENTER ASSOCIATES, INC. , AT
A MONTHLY RATE OF SIXTEEN THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED
FIFTY DOLLAR ($16,250.00), FOR A MAXIMUM
EXPENDITURE OF ONE HUNDRED NINETY -FIVE -FIVE THOUSAND
DOLLARS ($195,000.00) (NOT INCLUDING REIMBURSABLES)
FROM CONVENTION CENTER BOND FUNDS TO INSURE
CONTINUITY OF THE PROJECT
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
ViceMayor (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOLS: None
ABSENT: None
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FOLLOWIN(, vl'OiA. CA,1
Mavor Ferre. YLIS, ..r. k(:rzii.t37..
Mr. Eari Worshaie: Mr. Mayor, I'i.. Earl 'itiors;:a;.., `M<:vur anci City
Commissioners. On 13(b), I feel that I do want to put into the recorc
just one thing with retard to the contract with Miami Center
Associates, Inc. for construction management for the convention/conference,
center. And the main thing I want to make clear is that Miami
Center Associates, Inc., is separate and different from 'Miami Center
Associates, Limited, which has the lease agreement on the air rights
with the City. And this is a separate contract entered into between
?Miami Center Associates, Incorporated and the City of Miami for
construction services, a service type contract for the convention./conference
center. I just wanted to...
Mr. Plummer: I'll go along, Mr. Grimm. Big deal.
Mayor Ferre: Well, 1 think it might become important in the future.
We have a lot of legal beavers working on this, and Mr. Knox, or ::r.
Clark, I think somewherc in the next meeting or 2, Steel -Hector and
Davis, or whatever their name is, ought to come back and tell us
where we're at. And they've been retained...
,r. Plum:er: If there is a problem, on that.
V r .Terre: It there is a problem, obviou�ly. . r;ut I -on't wart this
thing to be sprung; on us, you know, over n i ;ht, a:1.i all of a sudden
we have a major problem that we haven't been kep abreast o:.
A.>.'i .A. CONVE:-i ION BOOKED AT CONV':N1ION CEI NI'Li:
.�:r .:c ...:`; L.1- i.:. t:ia i. >:�;.-, �' ..1; ['it , .: .�. •. �C Oi .;o r:n 0:.', tl:erl
Lk a :i u j:: l'b" 1. l?:.. \•l'.;ti'r A:d t...:t j�rea� �ci:ir=reriCe was ���
a::,:oancc file ter: ilc: es5: u, co:.c i usi(;: jot: ,rat had ':peen done by
tiiL Lit` IvrCc, d.:d the Co.,ilty IorieS, a. tliL' :i\'i:, 1L Ck2S 1n th1S
..�*: :nit`;ln j.r�`baGly the b1IiF V ^� i-portant convention
th�.jt this Cit} could ever hope to get. Especial:_, with the times
prevailing and that is the A.S.T.A. Convention.The convention of
wiio help othLr pto;�ie. IL.,rii' up :y CUc1biJn as ti: where
: would like to spend their vacation time. And rightfully so, vou,
:%avor, thanked in that press conference all of those people who
ire res;;onsibie for putting; that package together and successfully
1- me the bacon. Vr. Mayor, what Ihave to say now pains
me tre-ei:dously. It bothers me to have to give the Mayor of this
City' s0,-.uti14.c, that was not said at the ?re:is conference. io members
of the Commission, and to the public, I think we also should recall
that Maurice Ferre was without a doubt, the single most important
lead in the development of that conference/convention center. And
t'ttere is no question in my mind that if we not had a new
LC,nVLntior, center, there was no way in hell we would have got that
convention. So I as one member of this Commission, speak very seldom
for the entire Commission, but I think a word of thanks must be said
to the Mayor for not only leading but seeing to a successful conclusion,
that conference and convention center, which not only will bring the
A.S.:•.I":.Lonvcntion; ut we feel and hope that in the future, a lot
conventions. If you take just from a standpoint of economics,
that convention in hard cold dollars will be $15,000,000 to this
Cu:aalunitV, i3:iC it is t, potential. I have heard Iltl:res fro:::
i to $3,000,000,000 in future business. Anc: Mr. Mayor, I take:
t.i vou for supplying that lead to this co=.unity. It pains
LIL 4 want you to know...
Mr. Piui.wiie r: i want you to know that I think it' b a job well done:.
!:.iv•,r 1 err(,: 6kay. Let's marl: this .:.)w:-i ..ow. lb:33 3n ::"Lursday
;sC.. t , 3rL. (LAUGHTER) You almost hdL 0. ...,i Verge O:
tc:,r,, Pl,im;ivr. I can't remember now lone a,.o `s been since somebody
I o r anything. But I certainly appreciate your very
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Mr. Plummer: I would also like the record to...
Mayor Ferre: No, no, don't spoil it.
Mr. Plummer: I would also like the record to reflect it is the first
time in 6 months he has let me speak as long as I wanted. (LAUGHTER)
Mr. Carollo: I suggest, Mr. Mayor, you get a court reporter to make
sure the record...
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Clerk, I would like for you to immediately
transcribe those words, and I want them framed. Would you please
take down the picture of former President Carter from my office, and
in its place put the words of J. L. Plummer with his picture on it.
(LAUGHTER) All kidding aside, seriously, I think the City of Miami
Commission, I get so tired of picking up both newspapers and reading
these vindictive, vitriolic, personalized criticisms. And I ... we
very very seldom ever see anybody ever acknowledge or thank not only
me, but the Commission because when they go out and tar and feather me,
they always add and the Commission. So, we're all tarred and feathered
together. But, I think this is a major victory. I would like to
point out that it was on page 16(b) of the Miami Herald this
morning. If we had not gotten it, Houston had gotten it, somebody
had mentioned that the crime rate in Miami, or Mariel refugees, or the
riots were somewhat responsible or that they ....it would have
been a front page story on l(a) why ASTA did not come to Miami. But
ASTA is coming to Miami, the single most important convention that this
community has ever had. And instead of saying, hey, victory and isn't
this great, they bury it on page 16(b).
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, what you're not saying is that the thanks should
go to the Miami Daily News for putting the good news on the front page.
But what you were not saying in page 16(b) was that the other local
journalistic put it exactly where I look first, and that was right
above the obituaries.
Mayor Ferre: Well, you always read the most important part first.
20. AWARD COS', RACTS: PROFESSIOAAL S'-RVICLS FOR APPRAISALS
iIIA:;I SPRI;vGS GOLF COURSE. PROPE;tTY
Mayor Ferre: We're on item 14, the Miami Springs Golf Course. What's
the will of the Commission on that? Plummer?
Father Gibson: Moved by Gibson.
Mayor Ferre: Is there a second on item 14?
Mr. Carollo: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Seconded. Further discussion? Call the roll.
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The following resolution was introduced by Co-,—nissioner Gibson , who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-329
A RESOLUTION AWARDING CONTPACTS FOR PROFESSiONAI.
SERVICES TO CONDUCT APPRAISALS OF THE MIAMI
SPRINGS GOLF COURSE PROPERTY, IN CONNECTION WITH
THE PROPOSED LEASE OF THE ?iIAMI SPRI;:GS GOLF
COL;RSE, TO THE FOLLOWING M.A! APPRAISERS: (A)
F. ROBERT QliINLIVAN, IN THE ADiOL'NT OF S2,500,
AND (B) LEONARD A. BISZ, IN THE AINOUNT OF
$4,500; FURTHER PROVIDING THAT THE CITY �IAN.,GER
BE AUTHORIZED TO EXECUTE SAID AESPLCTIVE CONTRACTS,
WITH FU:N'DS THEREFOR IN THE A?iO;;NT Oi' $7,000
ALLOCATED FROM THE GOLF COURSE ENTERPR1Si FL -ND -
RETAINED EARNINGS
(Here follows body of resolution, o„itted here anU on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being Seconded by Comff.issione'_r Caro;lo, the resolution was
passed and adopted by Lhe following vote:
AYES: Comr:issioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Coi-j-,issioner Joe Caroilo
Commissioner Armanco Lacasa
ViceMaro r Rev.) '�•heo; ore Gibson
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:'.caor Nauricc A. Ferre
,;OE . NQne
A6SENT: None
JISC�SSIO:i LEASE i,GR,;*E:.T: G.i . INC.
RE::irl' LLASF AT 150 S.E. 2 AVZ,,UI: (i2th FLOOR)
DEFERRLD FOR CITY ::A::ACER' S LXPL.a2:ATIO,,:
Mayor Ferre: All right, the City Manager to enter into a lease
agreement with G.R. Management.
Mr. Plummer: dove to deny.
Mr. Grimm: Deny?
Mayor Ferre: All right, would you explain that before we get a
second:'
Mr. Plumjr,�!r: Yes, sir. Mr. Mayor, I fought this when I was told that
we had In facet rind an agreement for the convtirzion center, then moved
Publicity In tnerC bvcaube we had a lease and wu Iiii to use it. I
Will, yvu kllUW, acquiesce to ... we made: a }mad : is,,Lke and we might as
het our axmies worth. Mr. Mayor, I am iubt opposed to this
l.lty 80; 18, Out Cind buying up space when we've 4ot space ali Gver. Now,
i 11n6ersLjnd it's not exactly What SoMe people WuL.IC like to f. ve wiLri
country club surroundings. But let: me tell you 5cmetning, we are at
a point where we're talking about laying -off 1,000 people. Wert:
t:elkinp, about short dollars. We're Laiking about, hopefully, we're
I-L going to increase taxes. This doesn't speak to that kind of a
P�iilOsophy. Now, you can find space for ti-use pen-ile. If I can sit
uVe'r ill that IiLtlu corner of mine, that cLb',-'-,,o e, let me tell yc..
s.)llivLliillh, thl: is not a country ClL'b surround.-,,. "Now, I say to you
�i for these people somewhere else, and con't go out to the
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Mr. Plummer (continued): public sector and be renting space. I don't
think it's necessary. And I'll vote against it.
Mr. Gary: If I may respond, Mr. Mayor.
Mr. Plummer: Who asked you?
Mr. Gary: According to the Charter, Mr. Mayor ... Mr. Mayor, the City
departments that are presently located in that area are the Watson
Island Development, the Conference and Convention Department, the
Convention Bureau, and the Parking Construction and Management. Now,
unlike what most people think, that we have a considerable amount of
space as a result of the building of the Phase I of the administration
building, that's not necessarily the case. We have people right now
that are not living, or working in luxury positions. A good example
is the Finance Department right behind us. We also have cramped
quarters in the Police Department with regards to the Computers Department.
And unfortunately, Phase I was not adequate enough to provide spaces
for all of our functions. Another advantage of continuing this space
is that all the activities that these departments perform are done
downtown. The Convention Center, it is an advantage for that department
to be there because it's closer to the Convention Center. Obviously,
Watson Island also. The Convention Bureau is downtown where it can
have contact with the Dade County Trade and Commerce or Convention
Department. Therefore, I would recommend that we continue to utilize
this space until we open up the new conference center where some of
these functions will be moved, and until we can develop a plan for the
development of the Phase II Administration Building. But under no
circumstances do we have adequate space right now for these departments
to be placed elsewhere. And we have a number of departments that are
now cramped.
Mr. Carollo: tliat's the total cost, Howard?
Mr. Gary: The total cost is 102,000 for this year, and 112,000 for
next year.
Mr. Carollo: When you say this year, you're saying the fiscal year?
Mr. Gary: Yes. Fiscal year 80-81, and it's provided in the current
budgets of those departments.
Mr. Carollo: Well, I would like to defer this item. The rent is not
going to go any higher if we defer it until next Commission meeting, will
it?
Mr. Plummer: You know, I wonder how many square feet are in the
old blimp building on Watson Island, where the Watson Island people
should rightfully be. I know how many square feet are on the
mezzanine of the balcony over there, that because of City stupidity
cannot be rented. I know of a lot of other places in...
Mayor Ferre: What balcony?
Mr. Plummer: The balcony over here on the mezzanine. The
restaurant could use it to have private banquets but nobody has ever
addressed the problem that the City wants to charge them rent
and get a percentage... you know, they've made it impossible to use,
W 've got a lot of space around here, and I think, you know, boys,
I 'm going to tell you something. You all can play the little
games that you want. What I've been saying for years is going to
be forced down your throat this budget time. You better start
buckling your belt. Now, I'll tell you something, I'd love to move
my Commission office to the Northeast Building and have a luxury
office. okay? But you'd better start buckling your belt. Now,
you all do what you want. I'm opposed to it.
Mr. Carollo: Well Mr. Mayor, I am not going to let Mr. Plummer steal
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Mr. Carollo (continued): my Clint Eastwood hat away from me.
Mr. Plummer: I'm not a Republican.
Mr. Carollo: Since I was the only member of this Commission that voted
against the increased taxes and garbage fees, and I can go on and
on, and I kind of feel like my song is being taken from, me, I want
to defer this item to give the City Manager ample time to prepare
the best defense he possibly can. I think it's only fair since he's
only been in office now for about a week, and let's take it up at the
next Commission meeting. Howard, I think you're able to count, and you
see you've got at least 2 Commissioners that are opposed to it. I
don't know if there's a third here or not that's opposed to it. Unless
you can really make a good, strong stance for this, it looks like it
might be going down the tubes. So...
Mr. Gary: I think the opportunity, I would agree that it should be
deferred, and I will develop alternatives, or options available to
the City Commission for us to make a decision.
Mayor Ferre: And the cost. Because you set, there's a statement
in this memorandum that it would be very costly to miove, but that's
not backed up with any figures. What does very_ costly mean? $5,000,
or does it mean $50,000. And then there's the question of is they're
separated, receptionist, the secretarial work, if you put one in Watson
Island and the other one somplace else...
Mr. Plum.—ner: Mr. Mayor, you know, where 1 find fault, I would venture
to say...Mr. Gary, very quickly, Mano's not here, what is the
deficit at the Bayfront Park Auditorium presently?
*,r. Gary: Aproximately 200,000 a year.
Mr. Plummer: Okay. That's a deficit. And it's a facility at this
point that none of us are really proud of. The one thing i've
been concerned around here for a long time is wt_'re over facilitizing
ourselves. Now you know one way to eliminate that $200,000 deficit
and have 110,000 in new rent is stop using it as an auditorium and
use it for City offices. You eliminate the deficit. we've got the
Dinner Key Auditorium, we've got the Latin Corm -unity Center that will
seat 1,000. There's the Dade County Auditorium, you've got the
new Gusman Hall. ..the new Convention Center co—ming on line, Gusman
Hall. Maybe the kind of thinking; that needs to be generated around
here is just possibly closing that for an auditorium use and open it
up into City offices if necessary.
Im Mayor Ferre: Let me ask you this. I noticed the last time I was
there that Elizabeth Bush has her office there but there are also an
awful lot of Federal Refugee agencies there.
Mr. Plummer: An probably for nothing.
Mayor Ferre: And I want to tell you something, the place looks like
a pig sty. I've never seen that place look worse. It's just
unbelievably dirty. I mean, just dirty. And I think we ought to, if
nothing else, the man from these Federal agencies that they at
least keep the place clean. And secondly, we may need that space
for ourselves and move all these people there. I'm sorry, they'll
have to go find ... let them go out and rent this, office space. P"iu=mer
},-,o something.
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AFRICAN TRADE FAIR' - 111ARE LING PLA:; AIND I,TLL;r:'dTATI0N 0:
STRATEGY.
Mr. Carollo: I move 15(a) Mr. Mayor,
Mayor Ferre: We're now on 15(a) which is the selection of a consulting
firm for the African Trade Fair. Is there a second?
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Is there further discussion? Call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Carollo, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-330
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER
INTO A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH BARNES,
FINDLEY, INTERNATIONAL, INC. (BFI), A.ND AWI TRADING
CO%%ANY AND CONSULTANTS, INC., A JOINT VENTURE TO
PROVIDE A MARKETING PLAN AND IMPLEMENTATION
STRATEGY FOR AIN AFRICAN TRADE FAIR AT A COST NOT TO
EXCEED $100,000 FROM THE FY 81 GENERAL FUND BUDGET,
SPECIAL PROGRAIMS AND ACCOUNTS
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
".Ls: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
FOLLOWING ROLL CALL:
Mayor Ferre: Before we move on, though, however, I think Howard,
you may want to recognize the members of the team that you used as
consultants in the selection process.
Mr. Gary: Mr. Mayor, we have here today Doctor Plinton who was the
Chnirrian of the African Trade Fair Selection Committee. We also have
here the winning cosulting firm. And what I would like for us to
Rio at this time is to have some comments from Doctor Plinton, and then
„,,:,.• Llo;uments from the firm that was the successful bidder.
rorr,,: Doctor Plinton, we want to thank you, and would you please
f^ri:ard, sir. On behalf of the City of Miami, may I speak for
all of us on the Commission, in gratitude to you, to Robert Carrol,
f)ortor Robert Cummings., George Dally, and Randall Robinson, and of course,
uui uwii George Knox and Howard Gary for your deliberations. I know you
spent many many hours very carefully selecting. And I want to thank
you for your effort. You and your committee.
,%i. �,ary: cxLuse me. Before you begin, Mr. Mayor, I think it's important
for the record, and for the City Commission to note that one of the
concerns that was raised by yourself, George and I was one that the
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Mr, Gary COMMittee that would ac ht SulucLiOn WOUld ha VC
consijerably vxpprivnLe in African affairs, particularly in view of the
compLexity of the United States in dealinc with Africa. I think the
cr=it.Leu LhaL we hay. assembled is one thau or-han:v, Mr. RwAgan woul']
probably want to use in developing his African policy. Dr. Plinton,
1 think it's important to note is not only,' the former retired
cif Eastern Airlines, bat has made apprcximately 50 grips to Africa and
u.s rusponsiplu for negotiating landing riyhts in Africa for TWA as well
as manakinK Last Afr!Lan Airlines for E�swra Airlines. Therefore, i thiQ
that the Wul_ that we've had on this committee in the selection process
and the final scnpv of services that will R performed, will assist us
considerably ao6 move this Trade Fair forward. Dr. Plinton.
Dr. Plinun: %r. `savor, honorable mumScrs of the Ocmmi,sian, City XAnsYwr,
ladiLS Ond ;LnQCMCn, 1 think that purnap, 1 c"n get t,iA &.i Gone in :at'
yriviest possible time and at the same tiMu. ut over zhe kind of zussaw
.% . ." v,_ wn.-oy wn"u hnvo "q rn cnflr�. nu that is. 0at C"Al
ci un and all of us are very thrilled and uxalud abouz the Qua of
XjMl SLttV9 the Pace in establishin; a commercial Ana :radc rclationshii)
With a VcCtOr Of LhL worlds PO,QaLion Lbat =nY Of us ccnsidar w-'-
yr,misinp, mu fastest jrnwinq, and certafnIV oftarin; thu greatest:
ro the Riami arca to le first on an :nVcrnaQCnu1 issue
K,, t,, it is tproblems Involved, Ono the r rentvnt findnzial
rut urn cn invuMthent that We hAVL seen in certainly the past
:,Z Ilk, tc hasten 'acre to give a little monetary concept
whhz L,Iry talkin; ancut, and Wn Lcrr, ",1. nct prusunt because I
know t".; CoLnisvioavr Plutsmer in very inturesteu.
Mavar ivrr,: vj�zner in Acre. HLIS right here cn r4c side.
Ly, ninraA: 15.na you. In nudbers, an i: makes very goN sense, but
we're talking her, about becoming real trao- partnvro with a market of
15 n._L!On, 21 of which are new emerginy n"tions. And the numbers up
to :97Y wo0d indicate a trade market Of SPPr7XiM.ZL1y S60,000,000,000
n.t'. .:nsorvarive number On! : have the n"mhorn, import and
axp-rz hy cwunz.y t: the 25 countries we're' calking about, and can say
to yua that that first statement wns v7ly the crost of the pie. The
1MV if Liu Pfu lies in what the statistics choose to call their 5 year
plans. Their wev&I-opmental plans, one, and two, the kind of investment
that the knitui States of America has made and is making is those
indivisAal cc"niries. So we're talking about a market that from a
monetary point of view has perhaps the best undergridding of that one could
finj h&caustr it's a developmental process, and because there is a
IiOanClal investment an the part of the United States of American. The
SeCMC POME Va like to make is that it would appear to me that Miami
having h.d me kind of experience it has in the international arena,
with all H the pluses and minuses that go with this kind of experience,
"no .,.so the conscrn of more people in the population with what's happenu,i
6irh the intersaLlonal arrangement, intivicual COMLMb, as conlrastoo
with home cities who have been the import areas, the first point of
:Aact.n uhun folks come in from someplace else and who have buccm,,
0SOL It. The city in the north and the one G. the webt coast,
tnc 2 un the went coast that are most involve& hy way of con=unicaricns,
wnrrc ali the airplanes come to have become Hase about these kinds
of Y,:ationshlps because Of the nacure of the popul..ion. Only here have
we bvcumv very involved in the problems ao well as the beneficb inherent
in A Kind of iransient and builainp,populati, n. 1 nav c4oc tc s"V
thlb, Lnat 1 00 therufare, as just a citizen, aad aL a person that's
kin, 6f knowledgeable after 40 years dOing h",InLnF -n the United States,
and 35 years 006 business an an inLurn4iicna. Vsis, that this is the
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itself to the Int rodilct, lon Of 3 neG rtni';r t o t 11
Sense of hcl ieve,ilol I i t v '-1I; (2 V 1'. 0:1 C ti `CI
Sitting, here (-,I-1 the ClommibSiun, --kn,., JA' tt.-O lol"::-; 11ore i - , h G C, i s C, n
C I I a n b t2 r art' a w. ; i i t o V t n q iity 0da V when wel-L dc'ini,,
business with i i c. c r icc t i ons An,n
than onk, Of t !1e I C"i 0 S Z C r-L L r :1 aC U r J 11
mv tenurc in Af ric,i was t pre.v- Lhiit wC we I t e pit c r L L w I r t
our reasonF and t in i1 C,1,.r-I, thit fl I, i
COMe back t o t 1"VL- 'i endi , rd. e, n, i 1 1 1 1 � 7.1 1 t h n k
this is be I ilj.-i .it 11w 3 v(`d t i 1 1, n c i d C -I t 1}',
believe t hi i. tI1 6
nuances. L r,; i t I 'n t i-, 1, C� t t z r i�-Irst visit to
Africa was to N i,,; r -Li a,., til(- ,ovcrnor general at h S
induction, Dr, . BL-,-, '1--J 11
' - ' - - -_ it wasLht::n, �,intd is;till
now, the 1 -it TI,I 1- i 011
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think it's important for the 'City Commission to note that one of the
runcerns of the committee was that we have some form of local participation
in the project for a number of reasons. We have discussed this matter
applicants, who by the way, were also concerned that we have
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M r . V r , a!! k jP0 , : �Ona 1 > — t 1 7 4 , .. 1 . %- I " . -e . frm hV 1h"
an ell "s
Mrs. kn�,N unc t." �=V" A,,W and jcsirc Qa-
wu ran Aavu a agroumu"t h.uwt .... �%. W
—rm that we
have selected woula utilize, as much �, possibic. Lhis local firm. Vo
by the way, in my estimation, gave a qnu" and will be one of
the fort"" tl:"h in MIMI in OhL nvir iuznre. Va like to now introduce
y,u to Xyh. Shirl: 6,rnei m-. ;i', w-niL,-.
Mr— Kic!V T-rat 1; -.1 Mr. Zoyo:, y.. so �.* far
invizinf "n down, for A"Vin, �E �n6 A�wiO4 c�nscn le thank :he :uaplk?
on the a6visory commircce, c1nd we think the cWy oa"nit people Wr haviq-,
US here. Also, we'd like to Pul a 1.tzle drama Uas i: no w2 wunt thrcunh
thib who3e thing to mak. this la.k. very 4.junr :c -:u ncy, i. won, to say
also, Chan 1 must con,raL"I-t, thu City of Minn! 1cr hKnA Si; forusiqhted,
first of all, in hnvanover triv years proaucal "cn dn vifacLiv, fair
in thu 7:adu Fair of We Am"ric,�, a2i hivin� �Z. N2.nA, rts!17, Q'.
gatewwV 0Latin Averica. And no are vary vv1c4 to sve QaL
Miami A;ain is ""l the 1012 in 10=000� :00 �n AlrL-Un TMOL K�:r.
Today in this worij when evorythjnA
-1 Lnd whLa UP nOCC.
to look can and ave Sere new mn:.o!, ova, :f 4jazI is
forus.,4va in 0�csivy Afri�n an p,,4niv Z::�LT %!".a wAorL o�r . Ru i
Cda bu QVC1CPUJ MU Lrade can he Qvwwpod, 1 !., ]anz war;L zo hay
a ps.00le New York Count 1�t 1 W05 bnrA to So. Qw, y1wrica. My
pcoplu ncnL fr.m mit part of zv war!., My a it aZ Lhe UniversiLy
Lam. Miami now, al:. Suvh 1 Zavon'; b"a " cnao.q .0 Z%lh to hur this
ncrnIV4 "nu MV father livul n'lu Z,v :nSL 1,7. �1 nl� 11fa. He won
wal:rr ::: on hua.var. no in the in;: vuac:
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�12 IkNj Y�4 =7 Ct-u c. :Av i7.Afn jh5t wo xpec,-
to no zn."c s: :�c :air a.nL ",U A, j. !n!Srv6;-L in nh;, Th, fjZy 0f
:hw 6VUCn! !Lr,LS: C,n.,! 10 !�, jn,:L,& StaCeS fZr
Lankin; and LWVL,. A :OL ;! =10:0, .nat WL real now in
:"c ",w York Tinvy nS Qv Wall StCct! YL "re vary imprusbes,
00 LCOnLry, With U0.14 in Miami, And a
1, ..,.Vu_ ; r. nt LZ an Z=LM.: !Sri! trzae center has
L�O :01 Of L y YOUCity, certainly,
Lh: IIZLV-y lo� As be.ov,, in aracr cc mantain
wn"t 1 see �n your i" 2in rowing iniarr,AzQns:
centvr QICL is Miami, wu Me that yCV1, corwmPint:n" doing bomvLa;n,
in in cxwunI icn area to make tr,du fair pro gram2ing include things in other
rugiv= cf Se waric. A req,Lnt for propusal that we gaz a holl of 0-
Lecv0cr, >-%: out by :0 City C. Miami, which way pwbliShed in Zhe
", iwnue aw ,as"i"; ."",Cncy to develo-p
a 6:1c:W;y U! 'Lc 1L'PIMMIM10a Of On Kr!Z"n !Ca6u Fair. We lu";ec
cn it =KI-luO, cf course. Wo fu:z that th, 1:1 and AWI group, which
we 0.1. 10 „ro.p, ionpanded :a oh": rw:.cni for- ?roponal because we
5U1!LVC& Zh,r we inifillej certain of QL npW'IL: fOr
nr-:WWZ. 0nO Of Chu Lhings t"at WL Z. VV a w:f�r are out
"n '10CLC "n, WILO 011h AfrKNO101S. WiLh Zh,..
uwon,mic, ":.1Z . , "nz know:,"L, 07.-
1radv OU CCVU!QMuA:, -n- "-Z Q,11:1Z y2n�Wwjz,
rl,a. Our SLKf WnCw:c!,w, hu nZVW1WL,n 01
ZnjL :to 10,Rn
ANIcan C0nt!0VVZ, Lhe "-jor "jc hn,jjn. , 2r,nj,,.
?0rin"Osv, We have a b"S. -�nS2 hcn�c Of V!,LQn -ZL WIIZM;n,w�
abo -"?:ZMenL 10 J%vo:vu lu-L: VaLl ramijo.z. &. —�,njo-z in zZu
&Pnent Cf In Afr!CJn TraUt !air. LcL', ,S�L 1,11 VOU A=LQ:n; SO=
"ov uu have operL:0. This cinz jw&j"r,
-" n lb OSCOVS, Flaeley lntWrn�!Z, 0-: ��. Vn.:Lo 1
"mP-n! wKic" 1All 7r.cling CLMA"L"I Kr- OUL Will
SIU 0 1:tL!L HL more shc.L yn"c Lc L.wi .:.I oz h,, !,,r &Lj,,,
411: Me YOU SOM Of LAI UaCkjr:Und o.2 kh,L j'VV &cc, G01"j, Q,
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Mrs. Barnes (continued): have collaborated on several projects on
an international basis. And although I'm only 20 years old, we have a
combined experience of over 30 years in African and international affairs.
Now, who are we? And what do we do? My name is Shirley Barnes. I'm the
President of Barnes -Findley International. I started out, my company in
October of 79, and I incorporated in January of 00.
Mayor Ferre: Mrs. Barnes, excuse me. There's been a request that we get
a little bit better focus. Some of the people can't see it.
Mrs. Barnes: How's that? All right. We do primarily international
marketing consulting for American firms who want to develop and expand
their markets in Africa. We also do consulting for the U.S. Government
and private foundations for technical and communications development
projects in Africa, and we work with African governments and private
firms in Africa seeking to develop their goods and services in U.S. markets.
For example, the Zambia Tourist Board wants more tourists from Canada
and the United States and has asked us to help them out on that, developing
markets for them here. BFI has developed affiliate marketing and advertising
agency relations in West Africa and East Africa. And I'll tell you
what they are. The West African affiliate that we have developed a relationship
with is called AP Marketing and Advertising in Lagos, Nigeria. Dr. Plinton
just talked about Nigeria and its importance economically in Africa and
the world. Nigeria, of course, has oil, and at this point, the United
States has a balance of trade deficit with Nigeria of $13,000,000,000.
Nigeria is a very important market to the United States and to the world.
And we are very pleased to be able to have an affiliate agency there. They
have such accounts as Puegot, Nigeria Airways is their account, -and we
were fortunate last year to sign a contract with them for an affiliate
relationship. In East Africa, we are affiliated with an older established
advertising agency called Taylor Ad -Force, and they are in Nairobi, Kenya.
Taylor Ad -Force has a list of clients including Catepillar, a lot of
industrial clients. They 1-.ave... also, it Zimbobwai and other clients
which have given us an entree into the East African market as far as
development of services for people in this country who want to do business
in Africa. Some of the things that we have done recently, worked on a
project for Johnson and Johnson International, to develop a market research
proposal determining the consumer attitudes towards sanitary protection
products in East and West Africa. We did a whole study and analysis for
them for going and penetrating a market. We worked with Peg Austin
Arts, which is an art gallery in New York City, specializing in
representing African and Afro-American artists. And we designed and
developed an Afro-American art exhibit which was held in A B
last year in the Ivory Coast. The gallery is the Tiid-Cal Gallery
which is owned by the daughter-in-law of the president of the Ivory
Coast. We developed an African Arts Tour of West Africa that coincided
with the exhibit. Zambia Tourist Bureau has been an account that we
just started working with developing new market opportunities for Zambia
tourism. That is to have Americans and Canadians think about and in fact,
go to Zambia on tours. At the present, we're also working with the
Third World Trade Institute in Harlem. This is a part of ... this is a
part of the Third World Trade Center. The Third World Trade Center has
been developed by Congressman Charles Rangell and the Third World Trade
Center will be an international trade center for Third World countries
and for American businessmen. We've been developing a research feasibility
project for them to determine the use of minority enterprises in the
manufacture of apparel and develop markets for that apparel in the
Third World. I just recently, in February, was in Zaire where I was
asked by the United States government to be a part of a team that
a nutrition project. It was a $4,000,000 project which had in
it a mass media component. And I was there evaluating the mass media
part of a nutrition planning program. They had television, radio and other
mass media intervention in this nutrition project, and I evaluated that
part of the total project. I think we're just going to run through this
very quickly, and Mr. White will tell you something about his background
and what he's been doing. And if you have any questions, you are free
to ask them, and we also have some leave -behinds for the people on the
council.
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11r. White: I'm going to go fairly rapidly through the presentation
of AWI. Let me just tell you a little bit of my background. I'm formerly
a banker. I was a banker for Morgan Guarantee Trust Company in New York,
and was the head of International Trade Finance for Banker Trust Company.
Both of those banks have edge -acts here in "-Iiami, as well as I have
written 2 publications that are currently used by the Department of
Commerce and International Trade and Finance.
C,ne of the thinuc T have been nromotinQ through
my testimony in the Senate Committee in Washington, has been the involvement
of small businesses in exporting. And I have been developing similar
programs in the New York City area as well as helping some of the
Congressional Committees and Senatorial Committees in Washington, develop
other programs. AWI was established in 1979 by myself. Basically, we
are involved in international trade. We do exporting of various products
into Africa, the Middle East, Asia, Latin America an-' the Caribbean. In
addition, we do trade consulting work for private institutions as well
as public institutions in developing export financing plans and proposals,
as well as doing export financing packages. Since this has been an area
that has been my strong point, it's been an area that AWI spends a lot of
attention in assisting U.S. firms as well as foreign firms in structuring
bank financing, as well as financing with the export-import bank of the
United States and other government agencies. In addition to those
capabilities, AWI was recently designated as one of the first minority
firms to participate in the AID Procurement Agent Program. This is an
$800,000,000 program where companies in the united States that would like
to supply goods over seas, that are financed by AID can bid through
procurement agents for those types of sales. And we basically are the
certified procurement agent for the agency for International Development.
And that's listed there. Those are some of the things that we are
invovled in.
:`Mayor %erre: dill right, thank you very much, :sir. irhltc'. I'd like to
just, Zur the record, and for those that are present, like to make a
little brier statement about trade fairs. Trade fairs have been under
severe criticism and much concern by several people in this community.
And unfortunately, it was now injected on a political issue on a radio
talk, show by a candidate for Mayor in November. It was done in the
word kid of demagogue type of thing. I'd like to point out that the
Miami Dolphins piays a lot of football games. It wins some and it loses
some. I know that Miami is a city community that demands only winners.
Life doesn't function that way. The Trade Fair of the Americas was a
6co4 iGe3. And it has worked well. .t has been successful in a row.
And we had a failure ties year. When Evelio Ley called me in a panic, I
said, for God's sakes, man, this is tl-:e timyou have to be totally
honest. If it was a failure, it was a failure. There's nothing wrong
with that. There's nothing wrong with admitting that something has not
worked as long as you're totally honest about it. Now, that does not
mean that we're going to wipe out the 3 victories before because we
had one failure. The State of Florida got very concerned. And I got
some calls from Tallahassee, and I want to tell you that I spent a lot
of time trying to correct this. I was up in Tallahassee last ... day before
yesterday, and not only did the State Senate not cut our budget, it
increased our budget from 175 to $250,000. And even though those same
people that critics us very quickly. And again, I have to point out,
th:At whenever there was a success in the trade fair, the past 3
buccesbes, it would get into the financial pages of the Miami Herald and
wo,,ld ususally be on page 14(B). But let there be one ripple on the
aer,ative side, and it's a front page story. Now, I wouldn't mind a
' story with a failure if they had given us a front page story
with a success. But they haven't. And this is very typical. My only
br-titi.de is to Larry Berger wbo is an honest and a forceful journalist.
w:,L. evidently has enough freedom at the Miami Herald on financial Monday
to say it as it is. And what he said makes a let of sense. Now, I'm
no here to address the Trade Fair of the Americas because we will be
doing; that in the next few months. We have to do some very careful
thinking; and some very careful restructuring to rrai:e sure that we do
not have another failure. But certainly I am not in favor of throwing
nett the baby with the dirty water. Now, with regards tc the African
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Mayor Ferre (continued): Trade Fair. The idea of the African Trade Fair,
really, is one that I developed in conjunction somewhat, with then
Gnvernor Ruben Askew and other members of the governmental establishment.
The City Commission has been very supportive. Evelio Ley came into the
picture later. He was not there at the very inception, the birth of the
idea. Certainly, Evelio Ley has been responsible for the elaboration.
Again, I am pointing out that I am not here to disuss the Trade Fair of
the Americas because I think we're going to need some additional technical
help on the merchandising end which is where I think our weakness was.
But to the African Trade Fair, I just ... because I'm tried of getting
batted around and everybody taking credit for things. The African Trade
Fair is something that came out of my mind, period. I don't mean to
be arrogant at this point. But I'm not going to come out and make all
kindos of generous statements. I want to say that I didn't talk to anybody
about it, I didn't consult with anybody about it. It wasn't anybody else's
idea but mine. And I want to explain because some people are now beginning
to criticize the idea of an African Trade Fair. And on the record, I
want to just take 2 minutes and explain it. In the first place, to those
who have accused me of this being a political gimmick, I have been after
this thing now for 2 years and certainly, I don't think I've spent enough
time and effort going to Washington talking to the State Department,
chasing after the Department of Commerce, chasing after African unity,
chasing after the Dean of the Counsel Corr ... I mean the Ambassador Corp
rl Africa, chasing after Trans -Africa, that I don't have to make any
ajiQi0 61cs :or Lhe political gimmickery of this thing. Secondly, Africa
is a very difficult continent. We all know that. It's big, it's new, and
has a lot of problems. Africa and most of the successful nations, the new
nations, are very, very close to their former colonial powers. We all...
everybody knows that. And usually, Trade Fairs and trade goes north -south.
It doesn't go across the Atlantic. And the proof of the pie is that there's
very, very little African trade coming, other than oil and minerals, coming
across the Atlantic to this part of the world. But 6001. of the mineral
wealth of the world are in Africa. And it doesn't take any great
economist or businessman or anybody to figure out that over the next
20 years the tremendous growt)i of Africa is going to be absolutely
phenominal. And I think that as the world recognizes this, recognizes
ecuality of these African nations that are developing, for no other reasons,
for economic reasons, Africa is going to grow and prosper. And the next
point I want to make is the simple point of geography. The closest
airport to any airport in Africa, anywhere in Africa, is Miami International
Airport. There is no other place that's closer. Now, if you're going to
Africa now, how do you go to Africa? You have to fly to New York to
fly to Africa. That's absurd. And we need to exert our influence with
thine airlines, especially Pan American World Airways, which is a major
part now of the Miami scene. And all those that are interested in Africa,
to see if we can get one flight a week, one flight a month. And I think
it's going to be so successful, that you're going to see flights from
here to Africa every single day once they start that. And that's one
of the targets that we have. Now, lastly, I want to point out that just
because it hasn't been done before, doenn't mean that it can't be done
now. I think that the potential of trade with "frica is so immense
it's staggering. We haven't even tapped the surface of our imaginations.
Now, there's a race going on in Atlanta for Mavor of Atlanta. and the nd aq
are that Atlanta is going to have a black Mayor. And one of those
candidates for Mayor has it right on the top of his agenda. Because he's
told me so, and you know who I'm talking about, that he's going to steal
that project from me. He told me that. He said, you have a good idea
but it isn't going to be yours for long. And that's fine. That's okay.
:'.. �c:d healthy competition. We've got to get going quick on this
because this coming November, you see what the Mayor of New Orleans
i"Ft daci with that trade fair in 1984. And if we don't get moving
,,(-ry gi)ickly, we're not going to have the African Trade Fair. One of
the things that held us up the most was trying to convince my friend
Congressman Charlie Rangell of New York that we weren't really going
L11 L-i1,11J,ULe with is dream of a Third World Trade Center in Harlem. We've
overcome all of that. There's a tremendous amount of leg work that's
been done. We're not starting from ground zero. We've done a lot of
work c,n Luis. Now to you, Mr. White, and to your associates, you have
i,,Pcrtant task in front of you. And the local participation
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;iayar rerre (continued): is �,oin,; to lbe an Imporeant part from the
comunity s point of view. B-ot what is absolutcly
mparamount in importance
since you and Mrs. Barnes, all of you are so well .ic-quainted and experienced
in African things, you know that the task is goil;;; to be much harder
than the Trade Fair of the kmericas. I don't think we should overreach.
I hope that we don't try to do all things at one time, and solve all things
for all people. And I hope we keep it in scmbl.inc Le of Lhint;s that are
dc,ahle beause nothing succeeds like success. And the one thin; is that
we're going to take some additonal steps. We're t,oin> to have a very hard
time ... we can't do it without money. We've got to convince the State
Legislature, Metropolitan Dade County, and hcpofully, the Federal government
that we're going to sell American products in Africa. And that this makes
sense for our country, for our state, and for our cc=munity. And it's
got to be as much of a guaranteed winner as possible. And that's not going
to be easy. So I hope that in your endeavors and in your reports this is
not an intellectual exercise, this is not an ac.I omm.ic exercise, this is
not an emotional thing, this is not something that gratifies the black
cozlmunity of Miami or of America, even thctl..:,h all those things could be
true. It could be intellectual, it could be :: a;er,ic, .ind it could be
gratifying to peoples personal and coilectiv< e.;cs. But unless, we crack
that essential nut of guaranteed success in an .,rya that we can tap and have
a successful trade fair in, I think the danag,e th.,t would come far exceeds
the potential benefit. So you have an im.-.ense responsibility not only to
black America and to the City of Miami, but to the lniteu States as a whole.
And I know that yeu understand that, anc excuse• r..e for rabbling for so lon;;,
but I wanted to Take this statement into t1:C r�:cord.
Mr. Caroilo: ::r. :savor, I'St .. Sl';:1I;:., 1'i il ;L?i�; to I',ave
to be Stepp in& out. at noon, do it '1 i Yl are an; i t c'T.S emit 1' ;Olily to
be neeaed for, 1. would appreciat,' It if the" CJu10- be :sought out before
then.
at .,a;',; _xaeC.�'. `::. i,,:n::, noticed that
`:'Oti li'i i e w ii : lnt, •it .'.,C , )0efi :.: -:c' is y 0\1 'v:0... 1 Ki' t a Ct' a statement
into the... -,es. Dine. net ,'u t-;ct to br, ak y wr've got, i would
say a lot of work, we' Ve. g0t abcut 20 minutes : w,>rr"
Xr. i iY' Li .�lr kc l:3Ve `irs. itc: s;P L.•+h, 1'., lr:v �O alert the Commission
that tnerC is a Pc -lice- Award Luncheon at 12 :,t the Miami
Mariott Hotel, and all the City Comr.:issioners are i-nvited.
firs. Fan`,e: Thank you. '.r. Mayes and Commissioners, for the record,
^,y na-me is Athalie Range and I re:-idc at 5727 N.H. 17th Avenue here in the
City of :i:_-:-,A. Florida. Mr. Mayor ::n_ Commissioners, I would be among
the first to congratulate the company from Now York who has apparently
won this contract. However, we woulJ 1ikc to have some input. 1 heard
our City Manager's statement that we would be used to the extent that the
company could find us useful. This also is good, however, Mr. Mayor, I
think we need to have it pointed out that the charge, as far as this
Commission is concerned, was simply to do a feasibility study. To find out
whether indeed Miami would or could be receptive to an African Trade
Fair. Along those lines, I would like to point out to you that the
members of Loft and Seller, and especially one member of this organization,
Mr. Bill Wynn has extensive experience in Africa. I realize fully well
that Mr. Wynn does not have the experience that Dr. Plinton has, and
of ccurse, this could be very easily accepted because of the great
Jiffercncct, in their aces and experience. Nevertheless, I didn't mean...
Dr. Plinton, please. See there, the''ru a.,!.ays r4saint, 6Cr..itn1 ii,t0
something. MAUGHTER), Nevertheless, I think it's important to realize
t:c.,t nil: ;ynn who is a part of our organization is ;presently operating
1 think he is the only black in this co -:.unity who is operating a
very SuL('eSSfUl import shop from Africa' in the Miami International Airport.
He also sells to Disney World. Consequently, I shin:: these things are
Of t,rea: importance. The only other point i'Z4 like to ;sake is that we
in Miami have t:"d very very little opp, rt'.nuty Iron rowti,. I th ijik it hat,
t tt be cont,idered that the only way we' : c: eV&r t.� i:,t, to get i tr.":Ck record
L-, to begin somewhere. I hope that t:,.s will take that into
greiit consideration that those of US w..O arc C,.:re in the City Of M-a.,i
putting; forth a very strenuous effort .) br U t.irt of the every day
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Mrs. Range (continued): activities including our import-export businesses.
I think that we have to be given some consideration. I might further add
to you, that not only is Bill Wynn interested in Africa, it just so happens
that my son Patrick is on the way home from his second trip in Africa in
the interest of the export business, of which he is president also. He's
in London now trying to catch a plane back to Miami. I look forward to the
day when we'll be able to fly out of Miami directly to Africa, Mr. Mayor.
I thought I wanted to bring these points to your attention to let you
know that we are interested, we do want to work with this company on a
very definite plan. And with that, I'd ask Bill Wynn to come forward with
a little more information.
Mr. Bill Wynn: Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor and Commissioners. As
Mrs. Range pointed out, we too congratulate the company from New York for
winning the contract. Ve may have bid it or may have given you a
background on greater involvement in Africa had the bid document not
specifically said do a feasibility study to determine what are some of the
problems that could prevent or make possible a successful African Trade
Fair. That has to do, Mr. Mayor, with your issue of flying to Africa.
And we've already talked to Dick Judy and are assured that he's working
with Nigeria towards that objective. And our proposal, and I trust
that all of you read it since we submitted it to each of you, primarily
dealt with those problems that will make a successful trade fair. We have
to deal with the freight forwarders, we have to deal with that infra -structure
of people that will make a trade fair successful. And we attempted to make
that feasible to you in our own report. The point that we would like
to make is the City Manager recommended that they use this organization
as feasible. We don't think that's adequate enough and we would like
to have it defined in the contract the extent to which we will joint
venture with this organization if it's feasible. Thank you.
Mr. Knox: Mr. Mayor, during our deliberations and meetings relative to
this process, we were keenly and sensitively aware of the concerns that
had been expressed by Mrs. Range and by 11-1r. Wynn. I can point out for
the Commission, to refresh the Commission's recollection that both Mr. Wynn
and Mr. Patrick Range are members of a local advisory board that was
established early on in the proceeding. The second thing I'd like to
point out is contained in the contract itself. Now this contract is
for the actual planning for the African Trade Fair and as has been
pointed out, the nature and scope of the duties and responsibilities of
the group that has been selected would suggest a great deal of local
participation. Now, the selection of the persons who would participate
locally in phase I, by their very nature, would be on an as needed basis
by the group that has been selected. However, I can point out to task
6 which is defined on page 5 of the contract, where there is a mandatory
process. Task 6 provides that there shall be the identification of local
sub -contractors to participate in the phase II implementation process.
In addition to that mandatory participation by local sub -contractors,
there is recognition given to the contractual status of Evelio Ley and
Associates and that provision is also included in the contract. Such
that, I believe that by the very nature of the process there will be
substantial local participation and of course, as Mr. Plinton already
pointed out, the firm of Loft and Sellers has demonstrated its capability
in these areas.
Mayor Ferre: Thank you. Any further discussion or statement?
Mr. Plummer: I have some, Mr. Mayor, because this contract as proposed
iti 110L acceptable to me. In particular, Mr. Mayor, I think both Mrs. Range
touched on a very good point and so did Mr. Knox. Mrs. Range clearly
and it was my understanding that this was a feasiblity study.
Period, amen. That is not what this contract implies. I thick the
second point, Mr. Mayor, that has to be made for the record, is that this
amount of money only covers phase I. Mr. Mayor, there is nothing herein
contained to give me any idea as to what the cost of phase II would be,
nor the scope of of phase II. All right, Mr. Mayor, as we all know,
none of these trade fairs can the City of Miami put on single-handedly.
In the trade fairs, we had to go to Federal help, to State help, to
UUuuLy ticip, and then of our own. Mr. Mayor, I bring to your attention
on page one of the contract, which is unacceptable to me at this time,
where it says, whereas, the City is cimmitted to sponsoring an African
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Mr. Plummer (continued): Trade Fair. Mr. Mayor, I don't think I am ready,
nor any other member of this Commission is ready to commit to something
that we don't know or have the slightest idea at this point what it's
going to cost. And I cannot, Mr. Mayor, I agree with you.
Mayor Ferre: Its' semantics.
Mr. Plummer: No, it's not semantics. It's not semantics, Mr. Mayor.
That's what makes lawyers wealthy. Let me tell you something. We commit
to the principle of an African Trade Center.
Mayor Ferre: Okay. I accept that.
Mr. Plummer: But Mr. Mayor, let me tell you something where this City
winds up too often with egg on its face. That we make a commitment,
do not and cannot get the funding necessary, and then have a failure
and be accused of spending $100,000 to do the feasibility and not have the
funds to 6o the rest.
Mayor Ferre: Plummer, I think that's an acceptable insertion, the word
principle. And I think it clarifies it. But that is exactly how we
approached the Trade Fair of the Americas and I think we can do no less
in this one.
Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Mayor, that is my point. I feel, that we have an
experience, 4 years experience with the Trade Fair of the Americas, where
the City of Miami has participated financially and has very effectively
and successfully lobbied for the participation of the State of Florida,
and the Department of Commerce. Therefore, I think with that precedent
we could go into this African Trade Fair with no less than the same
level of commitment and performance thr_t we did have for the Trade Fair
Of the Americas. Andl have no problem whatsoever in co,.mitting the City
to this endeavor with the same enthusiasm that we did commit the City to
the Trade Fair of the Americas.
''ayor Ferre: I think that clarifies this. I might point out again to
the critics, to those that might say the City of Miami has put into this
$500,000 over the past 4 years or whatever, that just in hotel space,
taxi cabs, restaurants, local business, we probably brought 15 to $20,000,000
worth of business to this community by our investment. That doesn't even
take into account the millions of dollars in furthering the banking
the trade. and commerce that has come to this community because of our
endeavors. These things don't just happen. It requires a commitment
on cur part. And I, for one, and ready to vote with that correction
that Plummer inserted.
Mr. Lacasa: I'm ready to move it, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: All right, is there a second?
Mr. Carollo: Seocnd.
Mayor Ferre: As corrected with the insertion of the word principle.
THERECPON, THE CITY CO?!MISSION on motion
duly made and seconded, decided unanimously
to insert the words "in principle" in the
title or body of the herein cited resolution.
NOTE: The City Attorney proceeded to conform
with the hereinabove agreed to
amendment by inserting the words "in
principle" in the body of the contract.
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23• AWARD BID: I•iODEL CITIES CO'214ITY DEVELOP10';T STREET
IMPROVEI:ENT - PHASE VI - HIG111-7AY
Mayor Ferre: All right, we're now on item number 16 which is the
Model City Community development street improvement. Is there a
motion?
Father Gibson: Move.
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Moved by Gibson, seconded by Lacasa. Further discussion?
Call the roll on 16.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gibson , who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-331
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF rRE CONSTRUCTION
COMPANY, INC. IN THE PROPOSED AMOUNT OF $457,066,
BID "A" (HIGHWAY) OF THE PROPOSAL EXCLUDING THE
ADDITIVE ITEMS "A" AND "B" OF THE PROPOSAL, FOR
MODEL CITIES COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STREET
IMPROVEMENTS - PHASE VI; WITH MONIES THEREFOR
ALLOCATED FROM THE FEDERAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
BLOCK GRANT FUND IN THE AMOUNT OF $457,066 TO
COVER THE CONTRACT COST; ALLOCATING FROM SAID
FUND THE AMOUNT OF $50,277 TO COVER THE COST OF
THE PROJECT EXPENSE; ALLOCATING FROM SAID FUND
THE AMOUNT OF $9,141 TO COVER THE COST OF SUCH
ITEMS AS ADVERTISING, TESTING LABORATORIES, AND
POSTAGE; AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO
EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH SAID FIRM
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
ViceMayor (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
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AWARD BID: NODEL CITIES CO: ' Z';:ITY DEVELOPXE.-.T STRf hT I;iPROVE:IE.:T
�i
PHASE VI - DRAINAGE
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Mayor Ferre: Take up 17.
Father Gibson: rove.
Mayor Ferre: Moved by Gibson.
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Seconded by Lacasa. Further discussion? Call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Conmissioner Gibson , wio
:roved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-332
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BlD OF R�-SSELL, INC.
IN THE PROPOSED A?10i;N:T OF $ 22 7,, 63G , BID "S"
(DRAINIXE) OF THE PROPOSAL, FOR MODE-1- CITIES
CON2\r'CNI Y DEVELOPXENT STREET IMPRCA'KE ENTS -
PHASE VI; WITh `rONIES THEREFCR ALLOCATED FR6X HE
FEDERAL C0�4:CNI717 DEVELOP?iI:N- I BLOCK GRANT
IN THE A?101U\T OF S227,630 TO COVER THE CONTRACT
COST: ALLOCATING FROM SAID Ft"ND THE AXOT"NT OF
S25,039 TJ COVER THE COST Or PROJECT LNPENSS;
ALLOCATING FROM SAID FUND THE A?r0i,"NT OF �y,55i
TO COVER THE COST OF SUCH ITEMS AS ADVERTISING
TESTING LABORATORIES, AND POSTAGE; ALND AUTHORIZE
THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH SAID
FIRM
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
ViceMayor (Rev.) Theodore Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: hone
ABSENT: :lone
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CONSENT AGEi�DA
25.
Mr. Lacasa: I move that the Consent Agenda, comprised of items
21, 22, 23, 28, and 29.
Mayor Ferre: Before the vote on adopting items included in the Consent
Agenda is taken, is there anyone present who is an objector or proponent
that wishes to speak on any item in the Consent Agenda? Hearing none,
then call the roll.
The following resolutions were introduced by Commissioner Lacasa,
seconded by Commissioner Gibson and passed and adopted by the following
vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
.,Lv-:iayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSE";T: None
25.1 ACCEPT BID: UNLIMITED PRESSURES, INC. FOR COMPRESSED
AIR BREATHING SYSTEM - FIRE DEPARTMENT
RESOLUTION NO. 81-333
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF UNLIMITED
PRESSURES, INC. FOR FURNISHING A COMPRESSED
Al: BREATHING SYSTEM TO THE DEPARTMENT OF
FIRE AT A TOTAL COST OF $39,675; ALLOCATING
FUNDS THEREFOR FROM THE FIRE FIGHTING, FIRE
PREVENTION AND RESCUE FACILITIES BOND FUND:
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE
PURCHASING AGENT TO ISSUE THE PURCHASE ORDER
FOR THIS EQUIPMENT
25.2 ACCEPT BID: ALTURDYNE FOR A FIRE BOAT WATER MONITORING
SYSTEM - FIRE DEPARTMENT, ETC.
RESOLUTION NO. 81-334
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF ALTURDYNE FOR
FU KNISHING A FIRE BOAT WATER MONITORING SYSTEM
TO THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE; AT A TOTAL COST OF
$64,000.00; ALLOCATING FUNDS THEREFOR FROM THE
FIRE FIGHTING, FIRE PREVENTION AND RESCUE
FACILITIES BOND FUND; AUTHORIZING THE CITY
MANAGER AND THE PURCHASING AGENT TO ISSUE THE
PURCHASING AGENT TO ISSUE THE PURCHASE ORDER
fOR THIS EQUIPMENT
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25.3 ACCEPT BID: ALLIED UNIVERSAL. CORP.-SWI112MING POOL CHEMICAL
FOR DEPARTM�ENT OF LEISURE SERVICES, ETC.
RESOLUTION NO. 81-335
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF ALLIED
UNIVERSAL CORPORATION FOR FZRNISHIiiG
SWIM4ING POOL CHEMICALS ON A CONTRACT BASIS
FOR ONE YEAR TO THE DEPART:IENT OF LEISURE
SERVICES AT A TOTAL COST OF $22,049.25;
ALLOCATING FUNDS THEREFOR FROM THE 1980-81
OPERATING BUDGET OF THAT DEPARTMENT;
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE
PURCHASING AGENT TO ISSUE THE PURCHASE
ORDER FOR THESE MATERIALS
25.4 ORDERING CITY WIDE - WEST 57 AVENUE -SANITARY SEWER
I.iPROVE-MENT, ETC. (CENTERLINE)
RESOLUTION NO. 81-336
A RESOLUTION ORDERING CITY - WIDE - WEST
57 AVENUE - SANITARY SEWER IMPROV RENT
AND DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY AGAINST WHICH
SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS SH,'.:,L BE MADE FOR A
PORTION OF THE COST THEREOF AS CITY - WIDE
WEST 57 AVENUE - SANITARY SEWER I?:PROVEMENT
DISTRICT B-5469-C (CENTERLINE SEWER)
25.5 ORDERING CITY WIDE - WEST 57 AVENUE - SANITARY SEWER
l PROVEXENT, B-5469-S (SIDELINE) ETC.
RESOLUTION NO. 61-337
A RESOLLTION ORDERING CITY WIDE - 'A -EST
57 AVE.i;;E - SANITARY SEWER IMPROVE?ENT
AND DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY AGAINST
WHICH SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS SHALL BE :BADE
FOR A PORTION OF THE COST THEREOF AS CITY
WIDE - WEST 57 AVENUE - SA.NITARY SEWER
!?T ROVEMENT DISTRICT B-5469-S (SIDELINE
SEWER)
Av:ARD BIL; :ASZ1:'s WOR:CSHOP, I:;C. - 315 HA::D GL11"S FOR
POLICL DLPART::L.,T
Mayor Ferre: On item 24, Father Gibson.
Father Gibson: Mr. Mayor, I don't know if I fully understand.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Gary.
Father Gibson: Is it a trade in and all that business? I have some
prublem...well, explain.
r. r1uMIL s,r: I'll do it for him because 1 went into tLis quite
deeply. Father, what it is basically, is 315 wc.,pons that have
been confiscated by the Police Department. There is a recognized
dealer who has offered the City of Mia:i 315 service revolvers
in exchange for no dollars.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Gary, does this have the administration's
recommendation?
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Mr. Gary: Yes, it does. I think one of the beautiful parts of this
recommendation is the fact that the guns will be sold to an out of town
dealer, and we have gotten assurances from that dealer that he would not
in turn sell them back to a local dealer.
Father Gibson: Look, I hear what you're saying but I find it hard and
difficult. I just don't plan to aid and abet in this business of
making available guns for people to do things. You know, I just see so
much of it and I'm a little worried.
Mr. Plummer: Father, let me if I may, because I've gone into this.
Father, this item here I think we have to go back to a little history.
A little history says that in the past what the City of Miami did
as well as some of the other agencies, were to take all confiscated
weapons once a year, and dump them in over 600 feet of water in the
gulf stream. Okay? What this is proposing to do is to save, in this
particular case, the taxpayers of this community, $41,408.67. I had
concern. Father, my concerns were alleviated by the fact that you're
not reducing the potential of a person buying a gun. They can still
go to any authorized gun dealer and buy a gun. *laybe one of these, but
there are no shortages in the market of guns. You can buy them.
Father, it boils down, in my estimation, do you wish to take and charge
the people of this community $41,000 for the purposes of dropping
135 weapons in the ocean, or do you want to spend that money and go
ahead and drop the $41,000 in the ocean, is the way I see it. In no
way does this transaction reduce, in my estimation, the availability
of a person who wants to purchase a gun from a registered dealer with
the controls that presently exist. It does not reduce that
availability to him in any way, shape or form.
Mr. Lacasa: I completely agree with Commissioner Plummer. If by virtue
of disposing of these 31.5 guns we would insure that there would be
315 guns less in the City of Miami streets, I would gladly go for
dropping them into the sea. But, I do believe that if there are not
these 315 guns, there will be 315 others, and at least we will be
saving $41,000 and we will be giving 315 guns to qualified people to
protect us from those who will get it anywhere from some place else.
So, I see it in that same way.
Mayor Ferre: Further discussion?
Mr. Carollo: Yes, Mr. Mayor. I think we're forgetting the main issue
that's at stake here. The number one issue is criminal control, not
gun control. No matter what we do, there's going to be plenty of guns
available in the streets. The United States has millions and millions
of guns available. There's no way in the world, that no matter how
many laws we put into the books, whether legal laws or unconstitutional
laws, that we are going to be able to collect all the guns that there
are in the streets now. Even if not another single gun was sold. The
bottom line is that, gentlemen, our biggest concern should be
criminal control, to make sure that there are enough laws on the books
enough harsh punishment that is going to deter the type of individuals
that will go out and commit a crime, from doing it. At least, it will
deter a lot of people, make them stop and think twice before they
go out and commit a crime. They know, for instance, that they will
be faced with 20 years mandatory jail time, they know that if they
use a weapon in shooting someone, they will get a mandatory life
sentence. These are the things that we should be addressing ourselves
to, and making every effort for our Legislature to put into law and
p r:i::ice. The..
Mrivor Ferre: Father Gibson.
Father Gibson: May I ... I'm sorry.
;4 . Carollo: The other g1jestion that was asked here, is there a
shortage of weapons? Well, there certainly is not. You could go to
scores of gun shops in Dade County, Broward County, other areas, there's
nu shortage of weapons. You could buy weapons anywhere you want to
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Mr. Carollo (continued): go to. The problem that I have is that
regardless of what my personal feelings are, I've made it clear here
I'm not for gun control, I'm for criminal control, I think that there's
a lot of people in our community, and rightly so, who find it a little
distasteful that the City of Miami is going to be getting into the
gun selling business. The City is going to be selling an item that
there is always a possibility that could end up in something that we
might not be too proud of. Well, that could happen regardless of what.
If someone wants to get a gun to do something that's not legal or
is going to have grave consequences, like we've stated here, they could
go out and do it. The problem being is we're not talking about here
confiscated vehicles, or other equipment that the City of Miami has
confiscated in the past and has put up for auction. We're talking
about weapons. Weapons that if they're bought whether in Miami,
Jacksonville, or Alaska, the possibility always exists that these weapons
could be used for something wrong. And I don't think that this
Commission or this Citv for the sum of some $40,OGO should put themselves
in a position to be condemned by people in our co=unity, or people
outside of our community, if for some reason any one of these weapons
sometime in the future, ends up the wrong hands and a police of:icer,
or a citizen, whether in Miami, Jacksonville, anywhere else in this
country, ends up shot or injured by one of these weapons. 1 think that
what is at stake here is 540,000. Yes, we have a duty to Save thy'
rnN*.7,v(,rs every dollar possible. But I think that the potential of
betting adverse publicity for the City of is i, I'm not referrin%; now
necessarily to this Commission, I'm talking for the City of Mia-mi, in
the future is so great that 1 don't think we should take any chances
whatsoever, no matter how small or how large in letting; that happen.
'nTlat will we be raced with if in the future one o: those weapons is
used in a crime? i K::,:w tCie first thing that's ,c•l;:t to happen. A
lot J; t�1� 1�Cal ^,edia is going t0 say, we toil you sC and before y0ll
know it this might :make pageb in other cities, and here we go again
with the s<=r.:e old son, and tap dance Lnat a-ouint to ictti, bad
publicity for the City of Miami. `:y personal feciinhs are that we should
dump these weapolls ir, the ocean. The City should not be in the
business of selling buns.
?:aver Ferre: All right. Any further statements? Then, is there a
motion?
Mr. Piurm:er: Motion to approve.
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Moved by Plummer, seconded by Lacasa. Further discussion?
Call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-338
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF MASZK'S WORKSHOP
INC. TO TRADE 315 NEW S & W HAND GUNS FOR 312
CONFISCATED AND SURPLUS GUNS FOR THE DEPART?-.NT
OF PGLICL AT A TOTAL VALUE TO THE CITE' OF Y41,'*08.67
(Here follows body of resolution, owitLed i,tre and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
pon being; seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, th4 resolution was
f»ssed and adopted by the following vote:
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AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Vice -Mayor (REv.) Theodore R. Gibson
ABSENT: None
ON ROLL CALL:
Mr. Plummer: The money that's being saved, I kind of look at in the
fact it is 2 policemen that could be out there helping the situation.
It represents just about 2 policement. So I vote yes.
Father Gibson: Mr. Mayor, and members of the Commission, I'm not
usually on fire for this kind of a thing. I've come to the point in
my life that if only one man is saved, I'd like to save him. I just
find it hard. It is true that these guns are not going to be sold
here, but I have no assurance they won't return here. They may not
be sold here, but they may return here and do the harm. And I'm
willing to sacrifice as a tax payer. If need be, if I have to come
up with my taxes and increase my obligation, I'd rather take that
gamble. We just have too much of this business running around. And it
will hurt my very soul to know that a gun I sold to some dealer...they
tell you this, they tell you they aren't going to sell any here.
Yeah, wonderful. And then end up, that same gun might shoot a
policeman who I employ and charge to protect me. And I'm not so
sure I want to take that gamble. And when I'm not so sure, I want to
be on the safe side. And I'm going to vote no.
Mr. Carollo: Again, I am not for gun control, I'm for criminal control.
I feel, yes, we're saving $40,000 but we might turn around a year from
now and have to spend much more than that, the adverse publicity
that we might possibly get if any one of these weapons is used in the
course of a crime. I feel that a large portion of our community
finds it distasteful for the City of Miami to be in the business of
selling guns. I vote no.
Mayor Ferre: Well, that obviously leaves the decision to me. Let
me preface my vote by explaining the philosophy and the practicality
of the situation that we find ourselves in. I respect each and
every one of you for the vote and the reason for your vote. We have
3 diverse opinions with regards to gun control on this issue. One
opinion is that total opposition to any type of gun control and
second opinion is in favor of gun control and a philosophical
posture with regards to the impact of this. Now, obviously in a political
year, the easiest thing for me to do, in my opinion, is to vote
against this resolution. But I'm not going to do that. I'm going to
vote for it. I'm sorry, I'm going to vote with the motion to sell
those guns for $41,000. And I want to explain why. I am on record
and have not changed my mind and have not denied it, that I am for
gun control. As a matter of fact, when I first came'on the City
of Miami Commission I made a motion to that effect and as I had
voted for it in Tallahassee as a State Legislator, and I voted for,
and moved it as a matter of fact, with Mrs. Range back in the 60's.
I have not changed my position. That doesn't mean that I'm not for
criminal control. I'm for that too. But I think that we have
,•.••1proof on the positive sides of gun control but I'm not going to
get into a philosophical discussion here. My vote is based on
patactical considerations. The fact is that as long as we had no
gun control., one gun, or 300 guns more do not make one iota difference,
because there are 50,000,000 people in the United States that are armed.
Last year, there were 3,000',000 hand guns that were sold in the
United States. And if my voting against this motion would prevent
anything from happening, criminal or otherwise, then I would understand
that. But I am afraid that I cannot be so philosophical in my vote
as to overlook the practical aspects of this. $41,000 is needed by
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Mavor Ferre (continued): the City of Miami. On the other hand, I
don't think that from my philosophical point of view that I am in any
way adding one iota of availability or non -availability of guns to
anvbody. They're available. I wish they weren't, but they are. And
the fact is that these guns are going to be sold outside of the
City of Miami, I am quite certain that they will be quickly sold wherever
they end up, and they will not come back to the City of Miami. And
for these practical considerations, having expressed my basic
philosophy, I vote with the majority.
FOLLOWING ROLL CALL:
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, let me also put on the record that in researching
this issue, I was given every assurance that the people who will be
receiving these 315 old weapons will be subjecting the purchasers in
the future, to the same rules and regulations as if they went in and
bought some other weapon in that particular shop.
Mayor Ferre: If they don't buy one, they'll buy another one.
Mr. Carollo: „r. Mayor, if I may ask the City Manager a question, and
before I do, let me say that I for one, respect the opinion that every
member of the Corunission has expressed here. I think that everyone here
has been sincere in their own personal opinion. Mr. Manager, I recall
that not long ago the City Commission approved a sizeable amount of
hand guns to be purchased for the Police Department. Can we bet a
a statement in writing as to just how --any hand guns the Police
Department is short at this point in time, because we will be getting
approximately 315 hand guns and I would just like to know if were
actually 315 hand guns, or intend to he 315 hand k;uns short in the
next few months. Or if that's not this case, whN are we getting 315
hand gunds if the majority of those might just be lying in a box
somewhere.
Mr. Gary: I'll act that inforMation to you, but I think you also...
I'd like to include in that information, also,the replacement policy
bec::use we not only buy additional hand guns for future use, but we
also replace old hand buns. So I'll get both pieces of information
to you.
Mr. Plummer: Well, and as outlined in the ba,k up and that is, this
year, hopefully, we're goinf; to see 260 new additional officers, and
that's the _ulk of this order.
M:. Carollo: Yeah, but we have hires, I Lhink the ,:k of those
officers at the same time we approved a pretty larF.�, i think it was
125 or 150 new hand guns to be purchased not long ahc. 5o I would
like something in writing just how many of these guns are going to
be used now or in the very immediate future by our officers, and how
many are going to be put in a box sitting somewhere getting dust.
Because the majority of the Commission has agreed to exchange these
weapons in return for others, I want to make sure that we're getting
equipment that our Police Department will be using now and it's
just not going to be stored away.
Mr. Gary: I'll comply with that request.
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THEREUPON, THE CITY C011MISSI0N WENT INTO A BRIEF
RECESS AT 12:05 P.M., reconvening at 2:15 P.M., with all
members of the Commission found to be present
27.
PLAQUES, PROCLA:iATIONS k7l) SPECIAL ITEEIS
PRESENTATIONS
C TmisSion Meeting - April 23, 1981
Commendation: Officer RAIrRD DO BETANCOURT, Outstanding Officer, March, 1981.
Commendation To KAREN % LWYN, Miss Miami, 1981, selected in a pageant
an Key: sponsored by the Greater Miami Jay Cees • Will be competing
in the Miss Florida Pageant.
Proclamation: Declaring April 26 through May 2, 1981 as DAYS OF RE'SIBRkNCT
by the United States Holocaust Memorial Council.
To be presented to Mr. David Schaecter, of the Greater Miami
Jewish Federation.
Proclamation: Declaring May 3 to 9, 1981 NATIOV1 PHYSICAL FITNESS XND
SPORTS FOR ALL WEEK.
To be presented to Al Howard, Director, City of Miami Leisure
Services Department.
Proclamation: Declaring the month of April 19 to May 19, 1981 as ME5 DE
JUA'N PONCE DE LEON, corrmEymorating the discovery of Florida.
Presente to Jos Luis Arnaiz, President of Casa de Espaha.
Proclamation: Declaring TO`v'Y ROMA's DAY on the occasion of its selection
as one of 50 restaurants in the U.S. to participate in the
Taste of America festivities.
Presented to Atty. Jack Peeples.
Certificates of
Appreciation: Presented to the firms that participated in the project
MIAMI: IMAGE OF THE 80's
Resolution: Expressing condolences to the family and -friends of I -WA A-ZUCCA,
composer an pianist, on the occasion of her demise.
Presentation of a By the artist, FRANCISCO AGUIRRE, Spanish painter residing in
Portrait of Mayor Venezuela. The artist uses a new technique called "nebulosas".
Mauric:a M. FerI6: Amongst his other portraits in this style is one of West Germany's
Chancellor Helmut Schmidt.
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�u • BRILF i ISCUSSION TO THANK ?'UIBRRS GF :.EGIS r�'_'t'RE �4iI0 DEFEA':ED
ANTI SI-LINGUALIS1 HILL.
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, if I may I would like to make a pocket motion now
that I don't think would have any conflicts in this Commission. I would like
to make a motion to send the thanks and gratitude of this Commission to the
House members in Tallahassee and the sub-conanittee that killed the anti bi-
lingual :Jill yesterday. I would like to make that in the form of a motion as
the official thank you from this Commission and the City of Miami.
Mayor Ferre: All right, I recognize that as a motion. Mr. Lacasa had mentioned
to me this morning that he wanted to do the same thing so let's see if we can
get him in the room to second it. Mr. Manager, could you have somebody tell
Mr. Lacasa his presence is needed? Joe, I'll -ecognize your motion as soon
as Lacasa comes Lack, :.e seems to bL out Of the r'30m.
>y• DISCUSSION' ::!�D DEFE'_ZRAL: SEC'v-r.17i' GUARD SERVICF. FOR
LITTDE HAVANA CO:'ISLNITY CENTER.
Mayer Ferre: I he c we could get 25, 26, 27 through very quickly, can we do
_, .. - 'io..'re the cuy that pulled them off .
Mr. Pia:Lmer: _-5, Mr. Naycr, I just have to seriously question why we're
iiaVl tG k7jo to __:it vlitSi'.:C: 'Or SCCUr!tV a-.d _1 want to ex!: 1:21n to
x__ 'H. aO we have to :'lave security the first pldcc, we don't
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n3VE O: ::oz other cenzers around, -ill time S�cL'rity 3„d i Cut' it1O','.
the _ _ C a l c; :it rC dnd it neC aoc 'w
.,; .irl'_ we CJinC tO hC
.,,.ay when we car, spend it Othe:Yri:ise?
are several reason_ w:;y we nee"-- security g uard at
,..:it1 LE :. C 1C :1`✓e :aid Several ma -or rE ok-i:iS thklrt c:r 1r, mil
C ce,.ter is close:: and we have a lCL of Lvenin�_; activities
;,L'Ids .rue for almost every com-mun111 ct.nter In town, they
c3 they do have night affairs. You know, what I'm really
c:,•._•:, at, Dena, _',%'ant to tell you so.mothing. Not am I only looking at the
nethe neeJ here but I want to till you that you've been around this
Cit-, as .<: as I have and want to teal 'yo',: th,< minute that we pass this
every other centsi in t;:is City is going to be entitled and here demanding
tint same thing.
Ns. Iman: Ccr.missioner, this is the only community center that the City
o.` :rla:.i o;erates.
Mr. Plummer: ou know, if I were to call as a private citizen I would be
the, Police Deportment. Now 12 they've got break --ins there j::st
like ell tC,use store owners in the Grove and they've got problems there at
night Ln"t'S what we've got a Police Denartment for. I don't think it s •t,�iaks
Dr the ?olice Department when you've got to turn to the outside for
inter::::& proLlems.
',i tea:ul1G: ✓t_11, look at our crime ra,- (�E:t your an6wc:r.
''• 1',' .: And ! ' 1 i give you another a .swur . Are you going to be able to
do it for $4.90 an hour?
X6. „_... :,: _nat's right.
NC, not going to get them to do It Gut I don't think it needs
f,A.l t-1m,- j,oliceman.
_t is in the evening only, Cornice.-o ner WICn wi
fight: add that whe,, the CETA CU:_ .-" r E place Wt'rc yG.n�j LC,
La. t avalla`..ale Out there to do }"calf the L:-.Ings Lnat we have to aQ
and we will not be able to provide security.
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Mayor Ferre: Who is Florida Security Agencies Inc.?
Mr. Octavio Blanco: Mr. Mayor, can I something to the Commission?
Mayor Ferre: Yes, sir.
Mr. Blanco: I believe if we don't have any security there, I don't know what
are your reasons, the reason looks like money but the City is going to pay
more because the insurance according with the vandalism we get, the license
plates, you can go down there and look at our buses, every one they steal the
license plates, they steal the tires, they steal even a bus twice already from
there.
Mr. Plummer: Well I know, I understand but I understand that that is happening
in a lot of places in this community and all I'm saying to you is, sir, every
other place you're creating a precedent and let me tell you something this Com-
mission is going to be hard pressed to deny others the same protection and
level of security that you're proposing here. I'm going to vote for this but
I want to tell you something, you're creating about a 3 to $500,000 item. So
you want to go with it, I don't think that this is a need of any more, any less
security than any other place in this town.
Mr. Blanco: You haven't been aware of everything they have been stealing from
there.
Mr. Plummer: Then call in the Police Department and let the Police Department
handle it.
...,:-issioner, I mean things are happening like our wallpaper
is getting slashed, it is costing us more money not to have a security guard
than it would be to have one.
Mr. Carollo: I move to defer this item and if you all we could form another
committee, myself and Plummer and the City Manager......
Mr. Plummer: You really know how to hurt a guy, don't you?
Mr. Carollo: I enjoyed the last one so much I want to keep doing this.
Mr. Plummer: Fine, I'll give you that pleasure, I'll second the motion.
Mayor Ferre: rurther discussion on the deferral of Item 25? Call the roil.
Thereupon, Item 25 was deferred on motion of Commissioner Carollo,
seconded by Commissioner Plummer and passed and adopted unanimously by
those Commissioners present. ABSENT: Commissioner Lacasa.
Mr. Plummer: I now make a motion that the City Manager instruct the Police
Department to bring obviously to their attention something that hasn't been
brought to their attention in the past of special problems existing in and
around the Little Havana Community Center.
Mr. Bianco: It has been brought to the attention of the Chief of Police
many times.
Mr. Plummer: Invite him for coffee.
Mr. bianuo: He doesn't drink Cuban coffee.
Mr. Plummer: Teach him, he shall learn.
Mr. Carollo: Wait, Blanco, the last time he said he did, I don't want you to
3 1 r-t 0,i of a liar.
Mavor Ferre: Well, it may be that he is just a slow learner.
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30. AU—iHOR.:ZE ADVERTISEtiENT OF BIDS: SURPLUS FILL MATERIAL ON
VIRGINIA KEY.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-339
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ADVERTISE FOR
BIDS FOR THE SECOND SALE OF SURPLUS FILL MATERIAL ON VIRGI14IA
KEY; AND FURTHER AUTHORIZING THAT THE CITY MANAGER MAY SELL
THIS MATERIAL IF A PRICE IS RECEIVED OF AT LEAST $150 A
CUBIC YARD.
(Here follows body of resolution„ oxa tttd here ana on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Co,=Tissioner Carollo the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AWES: Commissioner Joy: Car3:10
�0=4ssloner J. ... i l :'4;C r,
%Ii,:e-,Vlavor (Rev.) T:heo_4ort_: R. Gibson.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
3i. Ai T:iO.RI'_ INCREASE I2r CON— RACT: Su.voET E:�TERri2ISE5, INC.
MIA,:1ARINA STRc;CTi:RA. -EPAIRS.
resolution was introduced .ti'..y Oomr.issioner Plummer, who
mGVC�7 ILSci :OL tiUt::
FESOLUTIot. NO. 81-340
A it SGLUTICN AUTHORIZING At. INCREASr_ It: CONTRACT IN AN
?Gut�i OF S5, D33 B T'WEEN C:—' G: .IA{"I At.SL?.SET
E:iTER�'kISES, 1NC. FOR TiiE 31F XIAMARINA -
S'inUC F _`PAIRS, SAID F-%0;NT TO PkOVIDED BY FUNDS
PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED FOR :'::_Its_, FUFPLACEYFNT AT MIA"2ARINA.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
t::i� None.
r.;. " t'"' ^, ,stoner Armando Lacasa.
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32. CONFIRM ASSESSMENT ROLL: GARDEN SANITARY SEWER
SR-5385-C.
Mayor Ferre asked if there was anyone present who wished to be heard on Item
31. No one came forward.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gibson, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-341
A RESOLUTION CONFIRMING ASSESSMENT ROLL FOR CONSTRUCTION
OF GARDEN SANITARY SEWER IMPROVEMENT IN GARDEN SANITARY
IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT SR-5385-C (CENTERLINE SEWER) AND
REMOVING ALL PENDING LIENS FOR THIS IMPROVEMENT NOT HEREBY
CERTIFIED.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Commissioner Armando Lacasa.
33. CONFI2i ASSESS!IECT ROLL: GA:0!:r,: SANITP_zY SE':7Zn S:-53b5-S
Mayor Ferre asked if there was anyone present who wished to be heard cn :tem
32. No one came forward.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Si:scn,
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION 140. 81-342
A RESOLUTION CONFIRMING ASSESSMENT ROLL FOR C0NSTi'L=.:.1N
OF GARDEN SANITARY SEWER IMPROVEMENT IN GARDEN ;3NI:3RY
SEWER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT SR-5385-S (SIDELINE SFIKFR)
AND REMOVING ALL PENDING LIENS FOR THIS IMFRO%TE%WNT NOT
HEREBY CERTIFIED.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and o;: file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
A357EYT: Commissioner Armando Lacasa.
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34. APPROVE DEti'ELOP!= ORDER FOR DOWN O' 17,.d GOVEW.IENT CENTER A
:)EVELOPIENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT.
Mayor Ferre asked if anyone wished to be heard on Item 33. No one came forward.
Mr. Plummer: Who is the applicant on this?
Mr. Joe Mc Mannus: The applicant for the development order is Metropolitan
Davie County, they have applied to the City of Miami to issue a development
order approving with modifications the Downtown Government Center as a develop-
r,ent of regional impact. Now, although the Government Center is publicly owned
either by City, County or State the County is performing a coordinating role
in moving this forward.
Mr. Plummer: But it is not at any expense of the City?
Mr. Mc Mannus: No, sir.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I obviously am contused.
Mayor Ferre: Are there any other questions or, r33? Is there a motion?
Ttie iollow�:, resolution was introduced by Coir,,nissioner Plummer, wno
RESOLUTION NO. 51-343
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AUTrOK;S:.,G -ISSUA:'CE OF A DEVE:,OP:..ENT CJR5ZR FOR SAID PRGji C:
A2?ROV1:7G SA:D PROJECT WITH MODIFICATIONS, AFTER CONSIDERING
HE RE: �JKT A2, GF Ti:"- SG.;TIi FLC'RIDA REGi0:SAL
Pi.1A vl:+u AS RE,2UIRED BY SECT:=,N 38v.16 (13) (C)
FLORIDA STATUTES, AND THE PLANNIING ADVISORY BOARD OF THE CITY
OF MIAMI, AS RECUIRED BY THE CITY OF MIAM.1 vRDINANCE 8290,
ANL- AF7ER CO:V UCT:NS A PUB:.IC i-i ARING AS i`EQ:IRED BY SECTION
_�33.36 FLC,FIDA STATJTES; SAID APPROVAL AND AU':HORIZATION
SUSJECT TO TH.L. CONDITIONS OF iriE DEVELOPMENT ORDER INCORPOR-
A TED BY REFERENCE AND ATTACHED hERZTO AS %XHIBITS "A", AND
T:iE APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL INCORPORATED BY
RFFEi1ENCE ATTACHED HERETO AS EXHIBIT "B"; FURTHER DIRECTING
: E CITY CLERX TO SEN—D T,iE HEREIN RESG:-::TION AND SAID DEVELOP-
`1:'::: GriDEri Tv A -FELTED AGENCIES AND TO METROPOLITAN DADE
COUNTY.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOE:� . t.one .
_. :;iont:r Armando Lacasa.
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35. APPP,OVE IN PRINCIPLE APPLICATION FOR JACICSON
TOWERS NURSING AND REHABILITATION CENTER.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Mr. Plummer, go ahead.
Mr. Plummer: The only question I have is why is it a City application. Take
it from there.
Mr. Mc Mannus: I'll let Mike Levinson answer that.
Mr. Mike Levinson: My name is Mike Levinson, I'm the economist for the Planning
Department.
Mr. Plummer: Of the City of Miami?
Mr. Levinson: Yes, sir. It is an application by the City to the Department
of Housing Development for an Urban Development Action Grant. The City must
be the applicant, the money comes to the City and the City then appropriates
it as it sees fit directed by the application. So, whereas, we are the appli-
cant, the developer happens to be standing over there, Donald Mitchell.
Mr. Pl:mmer: All right, sir, the question that I have to ask, and my concern,
you know in Washington, and that is where this application, of course, would
be grin4 they in past experience have shown their inability to understand the
difference between what is the City of Miami and Dade County. In effect, the
recipient of this is Dade County. It is Jackson Memorial Hospital, they are
_ in charge of it, they hold sole purview and the Public Health Trust. Now, my
question has to be what dnager is this to the City when those bureaucrats in
Washington sit there and say in a tally - The City of Miami, you got all of
this money here, why are you here asking for more?
Mayor Ferre: That's a good point, a very good point.
Mr. Plummer: And you're talking about $2,268,000 is the grant as I see it
here or more, they're going to say, "Well, boys, you got your bone for this
year" but it isn't our bone. You know, I'm saying merely to you this as I
see it is Dade County. It is their responsibility, it is Jackson Towers
Nursing, we're not going to operate it, Dade County is going to operate it
and I'm concerned.
Mr. Reid: Could I clarify, Commissioner Plummer, in terms of what actually
is being requested here?
Mr. Plummer: Surely.
Mr. Reid: In this case the application, Jackson Towers Nursing Home is a
private corporation, the applicant and the UDAG Program provides for govern-
ment funds to be used as gap financing to help both private applicants and
public applicants depending on the project. We received a UDAG Grant for
the World Trade Center in terms of the gap financing required there. We
have received a gap financing grant to financing housing. In this instance
we are working with a private developer to provide the gap financing which
would construct a privately owned nursing home center.
Mr. Plummer: It has something to do with the Jackson Hospital?
Mr. Reid: It has nothing at all to do with Jackson Hospital #1, nothing to
do with the Public Health Trust.
Mr. Plummer: Then I misunderstood.
Mr. Reid: Okay. Then the second point is that this is a......
Mayor Ferre: That's a misunderstanding because of the Jackson name.
Mr. Reid: Because of the name, right. The second thing is this is a com-
petitive program in which we compete for localities across the country. We
have to file by April 30th to be in the competition and it is one in which
mere are no funds fox next year.
Mayor Ferre: Let me put it in very simple political English language. Okay?
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�...is jet is with ger : jl-r, we're C;Ot a lot o:
010 people in this co;-, ,unity and in the se,-onzl. Dade County In effect
is doing us a favor because they are issuin y Of their industria.
bonds so the', 're takin-4 out of their pocket an- we're going to end up setting
to credit. In the third place it is the City of Miami who is making the
aj:plication, it is going to be placed in the City of Miand and last but most
ir.:portant is that Claude Pepper is for it. And Mr. Hadley is listening back
there taking notes, he is going to call him in Guan tonight and tell him
what you said, Plummer. Any other questions?
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-344
A RESOLUTION APPROVING IN PRINCIPLE THE APPLICATION FOR
THE JACKSON TOWERS NURSING AND REHABILITATION CENTER AND
DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO PROCEED WITH TIE: CITY'S
APPLICATION FOR AN URBAN DE`ELOP�IENT ACTION GRANT FROM
THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING FitiD URBAN DE1jEL0P2M NT FOR
THIS NURSING AND REHABILITATION CENTER.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted .ere and on file
in the Cffice of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded b' Com:-iissioner Gibso;i the resolution was
passed an14 adopter: by the followinc vote -
AYES: Commissioner .3. -. Plummer, .7r.
Vice -:Mayor (Rev.) Theodore F. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NC 5. hone.
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Mayor Ferre: We're to hear public input regarding the possible State acquisi-
tic,. �f the Cit., owned land formerly known as the r,unicipal Justice Building
ani the City ;,ail or proposed use of a Forensic Hospital Facility. Mr. Ronnie
boo'.: honors -, 'w:-:-1 h s presence, aid honor us with his presence and because
of lack of interest.....
Mr. Plu.;,mer: Fie bowed to pressure.
M.--,;or Ferre: The Governor and Mr. Ronnie Book.... Oh, but we have substitutes.
Mr. Pl- -,er: well, why don't we give him a minute. Mr. Mayor, let me while
w-:'re wuit_ing for i-x. Book, may I ask a question of the administration? 'My
ur.sersta%ding is that the last action of this Commission in reference to this
was tc, ask the administration to secure or to enter in negotiations which in
effect was the authorization of money for an appraiser. Are those appraisals
back?
C,.iry: Yes, we have the appraisals. Mr. Reid?
1' r,.•r: -xcuse me, I'm not trying to jump it, are we going to have tnat
,,urir,t; the presentation today?
_. .;ary. Yes, sir.
Mr. lliam a:r: All right, sir, that's all I really wanted to know. I have
stallu,i luny enough for Mr. Book to get here.
Fcr the' record, m\' name _s z-c k. I'm specia . co-. nsel
and, as you know, we're :ere today to, talk about the potential
t:., tote to acquire the old City of Miami Jail site to bui d a new State
1;e were: here several weeks ago to briefly talk about it
u:— L--Ay wh,,t we woU1a like to do is givt: you a br1Cf presentation, one about
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what we are trying to build. We brought some drawings to give you an idea
of the type of facility that we are looking at. Some of your staff members,
and I know Father Gibson have been able to take a trip up to Gainesville to
see one of our Forensic Hospitals to get an idea as to what we are trying to
build exactly although that facility is somewhat different from the design
that we have planned for here in Dade County. Since I was last here, we
have attempted as Vice -Mayor Gibson has asked us to do to meet with as many
of the community people or community groups who represented us at those com-
munity groups as we could to answer their questions and to take input from
them as to their concerns so that we could be better prepared to answer those
questions and concerns today. Last Saturday we met with at least a half a
dozen groups including Miss Mart ens organization, people from the Holiday
Inn and some of the other groups that surround the community, we have talked
to people on the phone for hours over the last two weeks to answer their ques-
tions and to speak to the concerns that they have regarding the State's posi-
tion on building on the City of Miami Jail site. Today we are prepared, we
have several people with us to answer your questions and to speak to the
facility. The first person that I would like to call on to address you is
Homer Rooten is from the Department of General Services and.....
Mayor Ferre: Ronnie, excuse me for changing this format. I think we have
a lot of interested neighbors and they're going to want to speak on this,
you know, and it might be so that we can save time and all that, why don't
we let them, this is a public hearing, so we have to, you know citizens are
here that wish to speak on this. Let's see how many of them wish to address
us and that way the people that will be speaking to the Commission will also
answer the issues so we don't have to do it twice.
Mr. Book: That's fine. I want you to know that we've got people here that
will be designing our security system to speak to those concerns that seem
to Le :he most prevalent questions and we're available as you want.....
Mayor Ferre: All right, now ladies and gentlemen, how many of you that are
here from the neighborhood wish to address the members of the Commission?
Raise your hands. Now, I know that you're all here in opposition.
Mr. Plummer: Do you all want to speak?
Mayor Ferre: But I really don't think that you're all going to want to repeat
the same thing over and over again. You would like to repeat it over and
c>vai again. I will give you one hour to do that and at the end of the hour
I will cut off all discussion and I think that ought to be sufficient time.
Now, if you would all, I think the thing to do is this. Ronnie, you'd better
sit down. If you would each line up, and let's use both microphones and I'll
respectively use one mike and then the other, I will try and let you know
when two minutes are up. I think there are about 40 or 50 of you here that
are going to speak. At 2 minutes that is an hour and a half. So we said an
hour, so my advice to you is this since all of you want to speak. As we go
along, if somebody else has made the statement that you're going to make and
you have to make it over again I'm not going to stop you from doing it but
out of courtesy to everybody involved, if you can control yourself to make
new rcints, if somebody says, well, I don't want such------ Okay, and then
what I would like for you to do is after you speak I want you to go over here
to the Clerk's desk and give him your name and address so that we have a
clear record of all of the citizens that have spoken. Okay, so let's start.
Who wants to speak first? Yes, ma'am. Would one other person also stand
here and if we get two over here we'll do it that way. We'll start on this
side first. Your name and address for the record.
Ms. Linda Martens: My name is Linda Martens, I live at 1025 N.W. 11 Avenue.
I do have a petition to Mayor Ferre and the Commissioners from the area resi-
dcnts Plus a copy of the petitions we have sent to our Governor and to our
,o•�tgrives and to the House of Corrections that I would like to
submit to you.
Ms. Martens, thank you. All right, let the record reflect that
I have received this list from Ms. Martens and I am now passing it over to
the Clerk so that he can make it a part of the proceedings here.
I am here today to ask our Mayor and City Commissioners to
withdraw the site at 1145 N.W. 11 Street from consideration. I feel it
wrl"Id hP a negligent act for any elected officials to place our lives in
such jeopardy. This neighborhood has been in existence long before the
Civic Center. Many of the residents have lived in their homes for over 40
years. They can remember when the pr pity in question was part of a golf
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co,;rse back before; 11ti, Avenue and, tnc !'1.7r� i''.U:.�C1j-di 1StiCe Bull ling
Then our City Officials had no public rt e:.i..<� to i.:� the OppOSltlCn to
plans that affected our lives. That's why the troperty in question is
still zoned R-C. The City of Miami Plannlnc Boars states that the Forensic
Hospital will be buffered to make sure our neig:nriornood will not be impacted
by a hospital for the criminally insane to be built less than 200 feet from
some of our homes. I say this is impossible, the site is just not large
enough, it only has one access road, N.W. llth Street since the expressway
is to the north and a ramp to the west and a Metro Rail will be to the east
that means the residential avenues would be feeder streets to this facility.
At the time when City planners, Mayor and Commissioners of the City of Miami
should be planning and doing all they can to protect good neighborhoods left
in the City of Miami I find it irresponsible to sacrifice ours'. Our neigh-
borhood is one of the oldest in Miami, we have beat the oU s and survived.
For example, just last year there were 38 new town ones b::_it on Fdver Drive.
There is always refurbishing of the older ho„nes going on and I would like to
take just a minute to show you some of the homes in our neighborhood it wt-:
can use the slide projector..
Mayor Ferre: Go right ahead.
Mr. Plummer: It isn't a slide protector.
Ms. Martens: It will project a slide.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, I think it will too, not very wc:l
}yc, r.•"c„ The first pictures would snow yc•,. ...lt' re�t0.
Jicture is me of thiu homes that i s locate_: on ine o' thet Sere ets 31 pu
blocks from t .e T ropcsea site. Thiz is aLot:,c-2" :tL' of tale nome8 that: .il t'
'List or :>iOclC:i from t}.e propose,: site. TI-IS is O::u 0, t L id:lii a t:iat
are here today, this is her home. This is anctiler Onu. As you can sue fro:,
these homes they are not run-down, they are well kept. That iS '•'.r. Knox's
• iome.' .
Mayor Terre. They riot George.
!'4 • t i.u.-ner. i cidn't hear you make a co:-ment about that last one not being
run down.
5. te;;" .: it is a very beautiful home. This !:� the new townhouses that
were built there and they're lovely, they're rig: t or, the river. This is me
standing on the corner from my house. There is .;,y house, one other house
and the corner and that is where this hospitaai for the criminally insane
would he. This is another picture right from my front yard as to where the
ioca,:Ion woull: DC. This is taken from a lovely _<�dv who lives _rl our neiglh
borhood, she rt?C 1 she is not well enough. to come down here, she's 33 years
old, this was taken from her dining room window an-_' that shows the relation-
ship to where that property would be. I find it hard to believe that the City
plans to spend millions of dpllars to revitalize Culmer, just a few blocks
away from us and would be willing to sacrifice a stable racially integrated
neighborhood just west of Culmer. I say the State, County and City are look-
ing for a quick location not a good one because there is no way this area
can survive if you insist on this location. Look at the residential area
behind Jackson Hospital, it has all but disappeared and what is left is a
slum. This neighborhood has been protected from the building of hospitals
and such by an unnatural boundary, the expressway, and I plead with all of
you to keep it that way. The proposed forensic hospital calls itself a max-
imum sc urity facility. No facility meeting maximum security should be
allowed to by built with less than 200 feet of a b. ffer zone from tieople:s,
hones. There are; no guarantees, all it takes is one human error, an electronic
and --!'.ere could be an excape. Located on this site there is only
an and that is to the south and that is o'.:r homes. I have
1,tE:'n t -d that the reason for the forensic hospital to be locate ,, the
1 A�114*Lul Were: to be close to Jackson i;c= .
�lta., .'a.:ti9Gr :OS_ itai is
r,.i�•t :;t,si fcd anJ over burdened now, there is no way they can handle any-
4 trarfic; to be close to the jails, they are so cver-crowaed now that
y", },Vv put the over -crowding right in the same 10caticn. So if that be
why not build it on the same location as L--e new .State: Prison
,l(;,se to the court is not good enough rca ,on :.o put the lives o=
tiur.ctr� �.s c f Puol)le In jeopardy. That's why we built expre.sEways feeding
ir.c.c rr, <'lvic Center for good access. And one thing I would like to say,
Mr• L� r, ul� come to our meeting, I had Contacted him lust Monday and ne
ask" me to set up a meeting with a few residents of our neighborhood which
I did, rid told me he wanted no more 10 or 15 people there at the most
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and had I invited the press and I responded no, I hadn't, he didn't want
the press there, that he just wanted a nice informal meeting. When I ar-
ranged the meeting, and the Holiday Inn provided a room for us, at this
time Channel 10 shows up and I said, "Who invited you?" and they said the
Governor's Office. During the course of the meeting Mr. Book stood up and
showed us a plan of a highrise type facility to be built in our neighborhood.
We were told that it would be a single story facility with large retaining
walls by the City Planner's Office. At that time, he says "Nobody care
from this area if this type of hospital is built here, he says, see how
few people showed up for this meeting." And when I questioned why he made
such a statement he would not respond, he said he was not there yell at me
or to talk about this he was there to show us their plans. Just one other
thing that I want to state too is by building a highrise type of facility
these people would have total access looking down into our homes and yards
and you're dealing with criminally insane, there is nothing to keep these
people from becoming very familiar with our patterns and habits, it would
give us no privacy at all. Thank you.
Mayor Ferre: Ms. Martens, we need your name and address so those of you
that are going to speak, as you finish talking..... All right, sir, you're
next.
Mr. Lewis Hensal: Thank you, your honor, I'm Louie Hensal and a resident
of 925 N.W. 7th Street Road in the area in question. Most of everything
that I had really wanted to say was said by the young lady preceeding me.
I do want to stand and object very very much to the forensic unit being
built on the site of the Old City of Miami Police Station. Our lives
;c-•,' 4 1 - rinlangered and as you had asked before I don't want to repeat any-
thing in great detail. But there should be other places for the hospital
such as the new prison site where the hospital could be adjoining it. It
seems to me that this is the answer between the City Commission and the
State for a very quick facility, it certainly is not the answer to a well -
planned facility and the people that are going to be the subject of this
entire affair are the residents in the Spring Garden area. Thank you very
much, your honor.
Ms. Pat Stoker: Than}: you, 'Mr. Mayor and Commissioners. My name is Pat
Stoker. I live at 604 N.W. 7th Street Road, Miami, 33136. I have been a
resident in that home for approximately 4 years. The home was built in
1926, my husband and I are only the 3rd owners of that house to give you
same idea of the stability of that neighborhood. Why I am appearing here
today is not to ask you not to do something but to do something for us,
is simply to hold ontc that property for the City of Miami and/or Dade
County. The phenomenal growth, I am a native of this City, by the way- I
won't tell you how many years, however - but I have seen the phenomenal
growth that this City has gone through within the last decade and it is
going to even increase in higher speed and development thanks to the good
auspices of our government and the economic situation that we're in right
now. What we will need in the future is this property, the building that
is on the site now plus additional buildings to be built in order to take
care of the expanding social services, government services that we will
need for both the City and the County. This is the type of situation and
the type of building and offices that we want in that neighborhood and which
belong there. The State Attorney as I understand it needs 44 new prosecutors,
they have no place to put these people now in the Metro Justice Building and
that site would be fantastic, perhaps the City and the County could work
something out. I hope you will take this under consideration, let's not
get caught with having to build a new building down the road in 5 years.
Thank you, gentlemen.
Ms. Pat Keller: Good afternoon, I'm Pat Keller, I'm President of the
Allapattah Community Association. The Mayor has stated that he can't see
"1 .s: we could be repetitious, I would ask those who do not want
the jail located in the Civic Center please stand up. Do you think it was
vu�,f i,_,i u5 to get here today? Thank you very much. It wasn't easy, we
tuck lilne off from our work, my business to come here today. I just wonder
how much more trauma and shock we can stand. We have a City Commission
that attempted to rezone our area affecting 2,500 people, they were not
successful in doing it, that was shock number one. We've had the shock of
thy- :Sariel refugees put in the Orange Bowl with the resulting crime, shock
number two. And now we're being visited with shock number three which is
to put another jail. Once again you are intending to build a
1-U1iyer and better jail in our little community. First you attempted to
foist upon us a jail for the unbondable, now you think it would be just
great of you to build a bigger and better jail, as I say, for the
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criminally insane. Yet you already ;snow th,3-� w't_ :a:� _ ',; ai„ w:_a
have the ladies' detention center, ward D at mac:;G:, roi.;l ar: it is
amazing that these jails are never put near `-:,e nDmes c_ our City Co7.mis-
sioners. Seeing as we have 3 jails now, why no-. rut it In yo,:r neiu'twor-
hood? Never have I heard it suggested that j. L. r. Gr rl,ando
Lacasa or any of the others get a jail in their a„c, of course,
I don't want to forget my Mayor.: There are, of course, ma,; reasons why
we don't want this hospital ]all, I'll name a few: There are no perfect
jails, sooner or later One will escape and we in the crew•dec Civic Center
would be sitting ducks. This jail was meant to be out in the Everglades
not wrapped around our necks. We're tired of a jail a- ,osphere, we're
tired of eating supper to the tune of inmates dashing their tin cups against
the bars. we're tired of having to run into our hones and locki:,g ourselves
in because a prisoner has escaped from rune of the otr.zr ju,ls. We're tired
of obscenities hurled at us by prisoners as we walk along t:ie street. T'ne
Florida Law states - I hate to remind you gentlemen of it, I know it kind
of hurts a little bit - but it states that you cannot act in a civic mariner
simply because you desire to do so, rat er you -.:ast act ..nay for the cool
and the health and the welfare of the community. A,,. 1 s'_�re file courts
would agree that having 3 jails in one little cu;I.;:unitl is .-:argil, acting
for the good and the welfare of my com.,unity - a::d "�i . S:nox's _ncice nti..'.
However, you'll have to forgive me, I've never ;ncw'.. . o =o itt t::e law bct er
you. Therefore, we are demanding - on, we'r(--
pital for the criminally insane be put In your ::eiC;: ;:ter:.J. i and
in the Everglades. Thank you, for nothing.
Ms. Pegcy Burns. :i; .:ame is Paggy burn6, 1 11Vt.: at )V N.'n. .v nven',1t _..
th•> .iirea of C1scusslon. I have been ajrieG tG ;;uiirr,I' is VG',: for xrj.
Martel -Is. Let the recor,1 show tnat I am of nc.7;U
the site: of tn,: 01C. Miami Police Statio;-.. .'first -
hood ;.as been Jur-'unc-d with, as you've bee;-, tuld, mental
tutio n at j zckson c3:... t::e: VA lospital , wt.' Ve worKe:. : f_ i ,.,) CGw':, o:.
our crime, 1 wu,,ild also like :G brin(�, to your atte:._. .. Z: t t, _o-n th a o
-usz to leiurbis:: w.]:>
hard far us to swa i(jw and this will al.. bt
the_ new uliCing will most v2J,''503,Oil-, :Jr we_'re_ not:
guaranteed that it w1ll Dust be 200 patients. .:,sn.. y, ,:.
Mr. ._c r:jj J'.i ti,: �'; :lame .s Ran dy JT,i th. live t ,' ..tree( Rua.
i have Gee:, a re&iuent of Spring Garden since 1 w'a5 14 cc ... it and 1 6.-,
f:. esc:.__ r a L, s in _ an S year old boy who .lays QvL_: , in .,e streets of
G':r n4iy:.✓prnOGu anu i want to go on p'.:Gllc rt: CGr:: as zei.n.g very ruch cpP3seC
to the construction of tails 1"aCi14 in our nEic.nho_'noo0 u:.: since we d0 pay
your salaries with Our tax dollars . thlnr: It is hl;:. time thlat the Corunission
dig: so.^..ethinCg for us as residents of the 'City Of Mia.:.i. n'hank you.
Mr. Everet,. A. Your honor, my na:.e is Everett Belanger. I live at
925 N.W. 7th Street Road and 1 would ust 'pike to '. ;.• e it on the record that
I am opposed to the hospital. Please be king in your consideration of this,
we are very proud of our neighborhood.
�L. Fernando Gonzalez: My name is Fernando Gonzalez, I live at 955 N.W. loth
Avenue in that neighborhood. Through 19 years of working with the School of
Medicine I have seen this medical center grow, also the crime grow within
the Medical Center and every single neighborhood around rulneu except ours'.
Now we are going to get the coup de gras - that's what we are going to get
if they build this facility there. I don't think there is any respect for
the. people who are living there, raising their children and trying to keep
Ch it. Itt ltinLCir :00:: toc Qther and In good snaps. . think mere are mci Il`✓ places
W!wlt' this h:,5pita1 .a:, be built in other arenas. T is cX lc, the of trai..
Z>t.111011 OI "One OthCr arva .iround t,Ll_ ;:cat right in that neignbor-
• l'td,7 that magazine you will true what .:d::c iL Is yn.
i.,,ut~:I .:y name is E1sit. gut r, _. ✓c g'J'_, N.W. N. i-, 1: ur DrI`✓u.
,.b,,. '_ t50 ratan from the sits: of the hosn.1tai. T
Trot.:,. tiit.rl_ 29 years. We nave a react D: ter'_ :. we fuel safe bi:t -_
you Lring this institution there we zrel thatJwc';_ !,U in fear of CQlnq out
at. I,lyht or any other time and I think wt_'ve beer. to e:ouGn. Cur
lio> is, has bef-ri broken into and ruramaged 12 Times ..._:"1:'.g_; :.,� "L' :rJ that wP_'vc
.1v�d _heru. we've also been beaten In our own : ,m,� :)eon l_c tl.: zt war.dt -ud
into the neighborhood th;:t didn't belong there d •.ic fee. tn,;,t t :1$ is
vit ln,a ti,dt situation again.
M�. Gln,iur 1'. Smith: My name is G_:rger PeQr .-;,rh, -.Vc at ` 3S N.W. 7t:.
t rtt.t k lu and I would like t0 speak on �iE'.!-alf of c:i the parents ar:d
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families who have kids that live in that neighborhood. And we hesitate to
send our kids out to play freely like all children should in the area that
we live in now because of the jails that are there and if you put in another
one, I'm sure many cf you who do have children, you would hesitate to send
your kids out to play in an area like that too. I am opposed definitely to
building this hospital there and I hope you can take into consideration our
feelings and how we feel, those of us who have Yids.
Mr. Lacasa: How many blocks away from the proposed site do you live?
Ms. Smith: One
Mr. Lacasa: Just one block. That is which way, east?
Ms. Smith: It is to be built north of me one block.
Mr. Lacasa: North of you. Thank you.
Ms. Mabel Lauer Ross: My name is Mabel Lauer Ross. I live at 999 N.W. N. River
Drive. I have lived there 29 years and I agree with everything that the people
before me have said. Thank you very much.
Mr. Charles West: My name is Charles West. I am a native born Miami citizen.
I think the pail, if there is not enough buffer zone between the residents area
and this site which is only 200 feet, I live a half a block away from it, I
don't wart it. As for high security, so was Stark Prison and 5 people got out,
one was a murderer and they just finally caught the last one. Thank God they
harm anybody on their field trip. As for Jackson Memorial or the hos-
pitals beinc an excuse for putting it near, I've called Jackson Memorial.
I've called the University of Miami, the State has not gotten ahold of them
at all as of vet. As for the doctors coming over, more students coming over
to work on the patients or consulting on the cases - and I got that straight
out of offices, Harvey Rose was the one from the University of Miami, Dr. Gold-
stein is the other one I not from the hospital, they said they have had no
contact with the State. I. would appreciate if my name goes down on record
and that I was here today to stand against the jail going in and that I think
it should be put on one of the three sites of the jail where the planning is
going on. Thank you.
Mr. Herbert Lee Simon: I'm Herbert Lee Simon, a realtor at 2721 S.W. 27th
Avenue. I';. speaking from a little different angle, I don't live in the
area but my son-in-law has law offices on 7th Street between 12th and 13th
Avenue, I am presently constructing a two-story office and store complex in
the same block and the next block west on 7th Street is the Miami Board of
Realtors which I also have a great interest in. And I feel from the real-
estate value angle: that this will greatly depreciate values in the neighbor-
hood. It is dirE:ctly across the street, as you know, from the Holiday Inn
and I think that would be the first to suffer, and as that goes down and
the neighborhood goes down it will spread like a cancer throughout the City.
The Governor's Office told us that the preferable was the incinerator site.
I arrived here a little late today, I don't know if remarks were made on
this before, but I'm wondering why if you have to put the Forensic Hospital
in this general area why don't they use the preferred site which was the
incinerator site over at 20th Street? (COMMENTS FROM AUDIENCE) Okay, T'm
sure there are people wherever you put it, there are people that will be
opposed to it. I know that. I said if it had to go, I was trying to ap-
pease everybody. However, it would seem to me that that would be more
pallatable than this.....
Mr. Plummer: Herb, I just got a message from the Seminoles and the alligators
that they're opposed too.
^.. •1. 1 just. going to suggest, J. L. , that you put it out in the
L:verglades but I was afraid that what you said was right. But please move
it fi,,c:, this site preferably out of Dade County. Thank you.
Mr. James M. Corson: My name is Mike Corson, I live at 901 N.W. loth Court.
I'm a City of Miami employee, I have been employed by the City for about 11
years. Myself and Mr. Knox also live in this area, I'm raising a 9 year
old and a 1 year old and I'm totally opposed to this. 1) I feel it will
bring down the real estate values and also it will jeopardize my own life
and my family's life while I'm on duty and I also am aware that the City c.f
Miami taxpayers are going to pay for the extra police protection for the
exterior of this building. We're also going to pay for the additional Fire
protection because the County and the S ate do not have any of those
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facilities in that area and we as taxpayers now pay the tax burden for the
entire Civic Center as far as the extra police protection and the fire pro-
tection for that area and I am totally opposed again to this thing and I
would like to go on record as having said that.
Mr. William Haire: My name is William Haire and I live at 920 N.W. 9th
Court and just to go on record is all I want. I am against it.
Mrs. Louis S. Robbins: I'm Mrs. Robbins and I know you've heard all reasons
why we don't want this jail in our neighborhood and I'm not going into any
of that. I just want to go on record saying that I'm objecting to it and
that I have lived at 956 N.W. loth Avenue for 49 years.
Ms. Nell Stallings: My name is Nell Stallings, I live at 944 N.W. 9th Court.
I have lived there for 42 years. I wish to go on record as objecting stren-
uously to this action. I feel that it is very short sighted to take this
action at this time. Thank you.
Ms. Faye Greenwood: My name is Faye Greenwood. I iive at 6F.8 N.tti. N. laver
Drive. I want to go on the record to objecting to this ;ecause I live three
blocks from it and I've been in the area 15 years and I don't see why they
can't find a larger and a better site.
Ms. Caryl Klose: My name is Caryl Klose, I live at 10-31) M.W. llth Court a.3
I an, exactly 4 houses directly in front of the site that they're talking
about. My street enters right onto that piece of property. I would like to
raise my chill-: in the inner City of Miami, I think it is an exciting stimulat-
l:: t nr :.--!-,h(-,rhood and I want to go on record as saying that.
Mrs. L. F. risher: My name is Joan Fisher, I live at. -%30 .;.W. N. River Drive
anti I w. nt to go or; record as objecting to this most strenuously.
Mr. Karl J. t:ic;se: M, namu is John Klose, I live 1 D;`: %.W. Court.
I wa:.t to sa", i cur,,�ur 13.34 with Linda Marter'is 1,, w S:.t, .:aS ciii'ea_`y S,11d
and i want to road a little bit more thlat she omitte—'. fife State Plans to
si,end, $25,000,;J'')0 o:. a 2' l bed hospital, a 1:igh._5e type facll-i, on a piece
of land that cannot accomodate future growth. Rlct:t r.Ow 130 priso:-,ers would
be trans!erre:7 to the site - I'it use the word client- lnstzad of prisoners,
thvt's the wore they like. That would leave 50 beds :,_,en that are guaranteea
to be o'JQr-1row_ded In the year. The County needs , forensic hospital, a good
vtll--l�h:;ed one acknowledging the need for future expansion not a quick con-
venient location. With the proposed hospital being highrise this means that
the criminally psychopathic prisoners housed there will have clear view
into our homes and our yards. t,That is to keep them from escaping and doing
harm to one or more of us? Another thing -_ want to do is emphasize that the
proximity to Jackson Hospital is not an advantage to the people, it may be
to the prison but not to the people in Dade County. As of early this week
Jackson Hospital stopped admitting heap an:J, spinal cord injuries because they
don't have the personnel to take care of them. They stabilize them and send
them to other hospitals this week.
Ms. Eessie Marcus: My name is Bessie Marcus, I live at 1452 N.W. 15 Avenue.
I want to refer specifically to what the gentleman said about putting this
facility in the place, the garbage area. I live about 4 blocks away. Thi.,
thing is like a cancer. A cancer does not specify any particular place, it
spreads all over. This is the Civic Center and the Civic Center is no place
for this type of facility. Thank you.
M?r. Arno!, �Sreerfield: My name is Arnold Greenfield, I live at 752 N.W. 7th
:,treat koad. Tnere are two things I want to say. First of ail, I object to
t::e ide;, of placing this facility there. Secondly I want to mention a possi-
Sltu t'r,.it I don't know has been thought about 'r;ut the perfect site would
.__L oard Railroad Station which has much land, about 10, 15, 20
acre:. It isn't used, it is empty, it has the ncssibi'_ies of being, large
u:.kA _ji, t future expansion. Lastly, I just want to r i=ntlon that my noose
is t:ii- oidvst house in the area and it was built by Ty wife's grar.;father
In 1911 and the family has lived there since that time. I ?lave lived there
,li1,,ut 20 odd years.
FL-1_10: You know, I want to thank you because you've c::.^1C .!j,
r:nc>w it is easy to criticize and everybody always knows what is bad, it
come up with positive creative suggestic.s, 1 wart to thank
i tr. tgk ti,ar is a very (good idea and we ought to lock into that Seaboard
jr„l.erty. Arid I'm sure the neighbors in that area are going to come object-
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Mr. Greenfield: There are no neighbors, the good point is that it is all
commercialand there are no residences.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, and really it is right next to Jackson Memorial, the
distance between that and Jackson Memorial isn't that far. Thank you, sir,
for a very good suggestion.
Ms. Michele Weitman: My name is Michele Weitman and I live at 842 N.W. 9th
Court. I am a psychiatric social worker and I work with clientele that
would be possibly put into this type of a hospital setting and I do not want
to be fearing every night that somebody might escape and come to my neighbor-
hood and my house and I should be worried that they're going to break in and
have nothing to worry about when they get caught because they are there be-
cause of criminally insane reasons. I object totally to this hospital being
put on my block.
Mrs. W. B. Geuge: I'm Mrs. Geuge and I live at 919 N.W. loth Avenue and I
would certainly be afraid living three blocks from the mental State Hospital.
Mr. Elvis William Cruz: My name is Elvis William Cruz and I live at 631
N.E. 57th Street. That neighborhood is called Morningside and it is absolutely
nowhere near this proposed site but I did receive a call from the Spring
Gardens Crime Watch and they asked me to come out here and speak up on theii-
behalf and that's why I'm here. I'd like to say that this isn't just a case
of one neighborhood group rebelling because they don't want the prison in
their neighborhood. This is also a bit of a city-wide thing, it is not just
an example of put in the next neighborhood. I would like to ask the commis-
!uestions and bring forward some ideas that you may not have
realized about the history of this neighborhood. First of all, can any com-
missioner here tell me the address of a City of Miami Park named Highland
Park?
Mr. Plummer: Highland nark no longer exists.
Mr. Cruz: Very good, t,ir. Plummer. There used to be a City of Miami park
named Highland Park that was in this neighborhood, many years it was paved
over to become a parking lot for Jackson Memorial Hospital - Spring Gardens
lost once. Can any Commissioner here tell me what used to be on the site
that is now occupied by the former City of Miami Jail?
Tbout the 6th hole of the Miami Country Club.
Mr. Cruz: The Miami Country Club used to be out there, this neighborhood
used to have a golf course and it used to have a park. Two for Plummer.
Last but not least, in the mid 1960's the neighborhood got raped again.
What was it, Mr. Plummer?
Mr. Plummer: Maurice Ferre.
Mayor Ferre: I would call that a pretty low blow.
M.r. Piuirrr:er: No, I'm kidding, of course. You weren't even around here then,
Maurice.
tdalcr Ferre: Hey, look, please, let's not joke on things like this.
Mr. Flu.mrer: Okay. 1960 I would assume what you're referring to is when
they put the 12th Avenue through the Country Club, is that what you're refer-
ring to?
Mr. Cruz: I'm referring to State Read 836, the East/West Expressway. What
liko t;, say is that this neighborhood suffered three times because
They have more than shared their burden of the public's
ri(-iht and the public's duty. Let me get off to something else. Let me com-
1.1.1 ....., -.LL- to another site which the Spring Gardens group has mentioned
.1 -..�•� site and that is building this hospital, this forensic hospital
as hart of the planned State Prison. Can anybody here tell me how many acres
thu til,,r,ned State Prison is going to sit on? 550 acres. How many acres is
this site? It is 7. 7 acres versus 550. Which has more room for expansion?
Tho ' o, obvious answer. Buildings - the other site is empty land, this
site has buildings on it, buildings that are now used for offices for the
M;;jmj. These buildings would have to be razed (with a z, not with
an ai, razed as in torn down) so that's an added cost. But this site does
have an advantage, it is closer to Jackson and it is closer to the courts.
So the question I would like to bring up here is what is more important,
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convenience for tine criminals or safety for tr,c: -- an'.•:
much.
Ms. Zanniew Sanders: My name is Sanders, I live at 92e_N.W. 9th Court. ttic
bought our home in 1936 and I just want to go on record as opposing to this
forensic hospital.
Mr. Robert Bischof: My name is Robert Bischof and I live at 1010 N.W. loth
Court. First, I would like to thank the City Corur.ission and the '.ayor for
giving us the opportunity to express our feelings on this forensi hospital,
we didn't have that opportunity on the prison extension w:;ich was dropped in
our laps a few weeks ago. Secondly, I would like to invi-_e the Mayor and
Council to drive through our neighborhood and see for .:ourself that it is an
all-American neighborhood where children play and people like to walk ar:d
live and enjoy our freedoms. It is not a place where a 6 or story build-
ing housing criminals and mental patients would be saft: wise. I also
think that the initial plan for the building to be o:. , :. to of core than 20
acres, a 7 acre site will not, wouldn't answer an,'s f:r the City in
this building. I would like to go on record against thc. building.
Mrs. Dorothy H. Lynch: Good afternoon, my na-,t2 is D rc ,.hy :c;., I live at
945 N.W. 7th Street :goad. I want to go on re:Or... aS
this proposal and also let me mention since to^__- :a5
see the for sale signs which are on the i roc ertit's .,_rtainly
does not give us the feeling of being happy about living i:i ._hc area.
Ms. Marion J. L 1tz:)a,fAck: My name I :•Marion . itz ri life at
N.w. 7th Strt'et Roau ani I am 1'ery much opposed to t'',is OSi i 31 beinC ::1::1t
it t::i5 ilia c . 'fliank you.
mr. Ylumi-,Cr: Olr. vice-,layor, you anC: i and -.'.c resl:
here .ill afturnoor , I -ust merely want to state_' t::at t'✓u:, Gt ci nt.e-
man lr. t:1d : baK says he wants to say It Over .-an- :cr ,... O`.' r O 'er
have now at least 15 to 2U tires and wiil that
they're o-pposed, I don't k:::Jw how long we wan-. to C7n-inuc- of pco,le
cettli:_ unan S.. r n Im ot7pGSC'C" III:N:LI:ti':.._. ....�,..):'.wH FJa�:•: i-t?:✓�....'.\':�..1
Well, . Just ;oi%e you're not Coin: to ae::y wit:+ln '-hat .:Gill" he .ig.nt or _�Gne-
o;ne 1.0 brina out something new and that's all I'm hoping, sir, I'll Sit here
the hour and i'll sit here two.
Mawr =e r r e There &rC: a lot of strong <;motlon5 asOl do it as oulckly,
I frankly don't think that you're• accomplishing al- as m'u.'h as vo:: think you
are by lust getting up and saying I'm opposed to it. _ thi-k if you come up
with good strong criticisms and reasons and good alternatives that is much more
meaningful but I'll continue the whole thing. Go on.
Mr. P7.:_ S.:er : mr. mayor, all I was mc:re'_y Sayi::< , is someone has something to
say other than what has been said I want to hear it. Okay?
Mayor Ferre: Go ahead, ma'am.
Ms. Barbara A. brown: No, since you don't want to hear it there's no point
in my making any more objections. What can I tell you?
Mayor Ferre: Yes there is, give us your name and tell 'us you're opicsed to
it.
Mrs. brown: That's what I was going to say, I'll be glad to give you my
name and address and leave and I appreciate your listening anyway.
Mayor Ferre: Thank you, ma'am.
Mr-_ . _Iuwiri. My name is Nancy J albwin and I rive at 1239 N.W. _2n.
Avt.n.ae. a,,n't live in Spring Gardens but I live, vur am ?a:-4 area whir
IS I:r,t tc,r) vvey far away and it is a ;nice reside nti--1 area and pe-._,le are
holdinq unto It and we're Upset, the inner city Seem:: to a-e gett;�:.q over-
iu"ded with such facilities and I know Dur'r.a**n ?ark wall also ;et up a petition
and be strongly opposed to this action.
Ms. Rt-Mecca Lonq: My name is Rebecca Lc.:rig and 1 l-vt_ _.. t:.e Spring Gardens
are.3 .an.: It is a grand area. We need tc, he1:) C:it 1 E t �� :L c' i..ner City c f
IIT1.1 ',•;t:'ve had many problems here in Mia.:.. and _ think- we should try tc
the fcw beautiful places we have left in the inner city. Thank you
very much.
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Ms. Mary T. Bowman: My name is Mary Bowman and I live at 919 N.W. llth
Avenue in the Spring Garden area. I would like to go on record as being
opposed to this site and I would also like an answer to a question that
came up on Saturday. The discussions on Saturday, my husband asked the
question why the Forensic Hospital could not be built adjacent to its cur-
rent location in Broward, the location that is not considered secure
enough, that area has already been accustomed to the forensic hospital sit-
uation and the fact that their security is not enough at the present time
does not mean that a safe and secure facility could not be built there in
the future. My husband was told on Saturday that the acreage surrounding
the present Forensic Hospital in Broward was already spoken for. When he
asked to what use it was going to be put there was no answer given to him.
I would just like to know why it can't be built in a safer and more secure
way in the Broward area where it already exists rather than come into a
new residential and traumatize the new residential area with it.
Mr. David A. Miller: My name is David Miller and I live at 1022 N.W. loth
Court which is directly across the street from where the building will be
built. I am very much opposed to it and I'm going to go on record as such.
Ms. Julia Hortensia Gonzalez: My name is Hortensia Gonzalez and I live at
102G N.W. llth Avenue and I agree with all the neighbors that we don't want
that hospital built in our neighborhood.
Mr. G. S. Sayles: My name is G. S. Sayles, I live at 815 N.W. 7th Street.
We built our home there is 1941 and we've been in the area ever since. Ile
are of the opinion that we are now trying to re -do downtown Miami to up-
�r�.iu L,.:_ renter city so when you tell people you have a brand new social
center, you have a brand new government building and that we have a brand
new hospital jail for the criminally insane is that going to be a plus or
a minus? I think we'd better stay on the plus side and move this thing out
of the center city.
Mr. John K. Robinson- Mr. V ayor and Commissioners, my name is John Robinson,
I work for the Holiday Inn at the Civic Center located about 30 yards from
the proposed site for the forensic Hospital. I think you know how everyone
that has spoken today feels about the proposed site, I think you know the
pride that is in this neighborhood. I think you also know how we all feel
about the jail that is being dumped on us now and now this proposed Forensic
Hospital. The neighborhood, the people working there, the people living
there are tired of this. At this point 1 would like to suggest to save us
all a lot of time, a lot of money, move the City of Miami City Hall to the
proposed site and it will save us all a lot of time.
Mayor Ferre: Second time around. Before you wind it up, let's see--- Is
there anybody in the audience who has not spoken who wishes to speak on this
issue? I don't want anybody to leave here and say that I didn't give you a
chance to express your opinion. Okay? This is a public hearing, it is an
open forum, it is important that all of the citizens have a feeling that they
were heard. All right, proceed.
Ms. Linda Martens: Okay, again my name is Linda Martens. I know Mr. Book
is going to stand up here and hopefully answer some questions and I would
just like to propose questions if he could provide us answers.
Mayor Ferre: And I will recognize you for further questions, and you alone.
So any of you that have further statements to make or questions, you know
this young lady here, she is very articulate, if you would give her the
questions then I will permit you to ask any questions of Mr. Book later on
as we get into this discussion.
M". Okay, one thing I would like to ask of you, Mayor Ferre and
Lug L1Ly uuaunissioners, is that this is a County problem, this is a facility
that should be shared by all of Dade County not just the City of Miami. All
the problems created by such a facility such as mattresses being caught on
fire, extra police protection surrounding the area because there will be in-
creased traffic and different problems created by just the nature of the
will be absorbed by the residents of the City of Miami as far as
our taxes go because to my knowledge, every time the City of Miami Fire
Dcpartmunt answers a call at the Dade County Jail perhaps I don't think we
aic: ruim:,ursed by the County, I think we absorb that. Okay, so that would
absorbing the problems of another type of facility like this
arid, you know, we are already the highest millage rate I believe of any of
the other Cities and I don't think it is fair to all of the City residents
to absorb all of these facilities. (( r'yo
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Mayor Ferre: Ali rlc;ht, Mrs. Martz- ns.
Mr. Rot-.n, Book: 1'1Lst of all, to go bdCk tV tiiC be jl.iiili: i 01 C..e
I wGuid just like t0 say that first o: all as far &5 O' �dtL'Y1d'y �eting Wlti
them I did not notify any media with respect first of all, secor.: of all 1
asked you to bring a representative group to talk about the issue, people from
throughout the community, I didn't ask you to bring Dust a small group of any-
body, I asked you specifically to bring a representative group so that we
could speak to the issues as Father Gibson asked us to do, carry the informa-
tion back to the community and to bring other information back to us and I also
told you and everyboCy else that was present at the meeting that we were avaii-
ble by telephone to talk to you at any time and any place with respect to this
facility and that I would take my time at any time during this period and come
back and visit with you and, in fact, I even asked you to call me collect on
the phone as opposed to calling me direct at your own expense so that I could
bring further answers to you. Next, with respect to i;einw a quick decision, I
think that we have been discussing the possibilities of IDLiloinc a fore,,.sic
unit in this community now for approximately ? fe rs. is not somethinc
that sprung up over night, we've been talking, abo-.l_ t:' 1arLicular site new
since the first of January, it is not something that ::as come up i:: the last
three days or four days or two weeks. As far as the statement b; �',rs. Yeller
that we're building another prison, or another "ail 1_n t.._.> co7,7�unity, we are
building a hospital, a secure hospital, not a -ail a_. ::,Dr_ ._, riso:i and there
are very clear differences between the two of them.. As f,ar as the Gentleman's
statement with regards to the state's contact wit', t:,t: `peoi-,le dt JacksGn Me:1-
orial Hospital and the University of Miami teachintg facilities i can tell you
that Dr. John Wright who is here on the enCl of the row w*anc, is t:,t head of thy_
tate's forensic programs, has spoken to Dr. Sussex at _::t ..ia tC i0 f3C:llity,
Dr. Sussex is tnt:'. Chairmi r, of the, Derartmt.nt of P sychiat _ :Or tiit, �;..iversY
ii, ad:.itio:. to Dr. Sussex he has also talked to Dr. JaCoCiSGn wi:o is
head of the Forensic Unit at Jackson (a) t,-Ioy serve On t irV`_CSslGndl advisory
committee that deal with these fa::ilitles (1) and (2) they also, have agretd to
work with the State in providing services to this facility. As far as the
question that came up just a few moments atjo wit::
facility upw.rd, the same area as the South: 1'lori_:a tat( CGi: ita:r We I:dVt2
explored tliat po}isil ilit,' very seriouSl '
is all of the land that is vacant up ttit.rC: -Ids tka:. _.., :.i tt.. tG v .:Ci" uses.
As far as the questic n for aduitionai trcz: fjc .:,Lu ti:� is <r1, . :C-:.' -hink
that ,, tra ri:, fl low into this parti�.::._.dr cirt:a w11_ :.1_ it was
when the facility was the City Jall or the converted for t:iV co-.-nty over-
flow. As far as firt:, i'7; going to ask Md-Jor Thor'iaS :: m is ::-_aQ of t:le secur-
ity for the Alachua facility to speak to that _Ss::l In a few mom.ents wnen he
si-eaks ,bout Gverdll security at these facilltit's- ti"ln'k what: I would like
to do is ask Dr. Homer Rooten wno is the %lirector Of t' General aerVICeS
Division within the Department of Health a.ia Rehabilitative Services to come
up for ]ust a few moments and (1) explain a little bit mare clearly as to
what We're tryinG to build but (b) also to s:i0'4 you the drawings for the typo
of fa,:iiity we want to build in color t:,dt will show you that instead of brino-
ing property value,; a.-_- making your community unsafe, in fact, what we're doing
is building a very aesthetically pie"cir facility --or your community for rop-
erty value purposes but be one that is extremely secure and has the most up -to -
gate se,�urity measures as there is anywhere in this country and that we're
building this facility to be a model for others throughout America. ter. Rooten?
Dr. Homer Rooten: I'd like to clear up a couple of items also. There was a
statement made earlier about a single floor plan versus a multiple floor plar.
and, in fact, if the City of Miami Planning people :,ad discussed this concept
with us, the City of Miami Planning people have discussed the concept with us
but the concept that currently exists at the Gainesville facility, and it is
basicaliy a single floor facility with the residential cquarters being on two
diffirur:t levels, a two floor facility and a similar plan was designed to be
Constructed in Chattahoochee and that coz:strlctio:. is at the l�resunt
time and that is the plan that the City of Miami has dis-
�')cc�•rj with our people. They have not discussed a I'ri.ti: lc: T:ocr plat: with
L f this time we don't have an appropriation fro:'. t're Legislature
an,: c)ur i.ianning is very early In the pYGgra:T.I i:'. j St jt , we aon't evert have
.17, ai cliltuct On bodrd to begin the design of tn. s .a.-1liLy, yo.i See in
front c,r you is an architect's rendering, an architu�:L on my :,,a f that prt-
part.:J that rendering as one possible sol.ition tG t:,c : ro: ;t:r., that faces us
i;, ::eslr3r;ir.r, an urban forensic institution. :`h( that we
have deslgnud from scratch to contain fortzns:: iit::L are rural areas �1
in th-su rural areas they are built in Separ_-t ���_."_. ,s, t.:.cc functicn is
an a sQparatt_. building, your food service and t L`�aL:C.r., mt iCa reSiGcr,tial,
al? Ir: separate buildings. The f'u.:ilrty _.: saintzsviiie that Ma or
` .ium.l will spe-ik to In a couplu minutes is ll Se_ ar. Lc ne one
lt: Cnatta),oc i:t,eC that l.s currently unLiur UI,sLru�ti .. iS �:, 5c l�dra Lt
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_ buildings. What we've done with this solution, this proposed solution is
we have taken each of those spaces and we've stacked them on top of each
other in order to conserve land. The land that is used in a rural facility
covers approximately 21. to 31 acres and there is quite a bit of outdoor
recreational space involved in that kind of an acreage. There is much
less ground space relating to the footprint of this building though than
the total footprints in a rural design. There was also, if I could, I want
to follow up on the statement about the lack of contact with Jackson Memor-
ial Hospital. We have also contacted and I personally contacted the director
of security at Ward D, the Forensic Ward at Jackson Memorial Hospital about
how they handle the vertical security since what we're talking about in an
urban design such as this would entail quite a bit more urban security than
what we currently face at the rural institutions. I've also discussed this
relationship between the State and Jackson Memorial with Ruth Kasowitcz,
the administrator for community relations at the hospital. I want to react
also to a statement that Herb Simon made regarding the fact that the State
made a comment on Saturday that we preferred the Incinerator site. I don't
believe we made that statement. We've worked very closely with your Planning
Department and Jim Reid and I have discussed the three sites within the City
of Miami that were proposed at one time and as you will recall, two weeks
ago today this Commission directed us to discuss the City of Miami Jail site
and for that reason we are discussing the City of Miami Jail site. We have
not discussed the Incinerator site nor the other site nor do we intend to
until we are directed to by this Commission. A suggestion was made that we
look at the Seaboard Railway Station. We have looked at the Seaboard Rail-
way Station and it was a good suggestion for us to look at it but there is
not enough space there in the complete property just as there is not enough
space in one of those three primary sites that were recommended for us to
look at back in January and that site is the old Valenti's Restaurant site
that is located to the east of the City Mail property. There is not enough
land there, there is not enough land in the Seaboard Railway site. There is
a minimum amount of footprint space that would be required.
Mayor Ferre: Well, on the Seaboard site we have more land than here.
Mr. Rooten: I'm sorry?
Mayor Ferre: At the Seaboard property there is more land than here, you've
got more square footage there.
Mr. Rooten: The staff work that was done with your Planning staff and Metro -
Dade Planning Staff gave us land sizes that showed the Seaboard Railway Sta-
tion site and maybe we're talking about two different sites because if you're
talking about the yard side....
Mayor Ferre: No, this is not the Seaboard Railway Station site, this is the
property right in front of the Miami Stadium that we bought from the Seaboard
Railroad within the last couple of years.
Mr. Plummer: They're trying to get the square footage but he is saying that
basically it is 2 blocks long and a half to a block wide, I fail to see that
it is less property.
Mayor Ferre: Well, they may have gotten the wrong drawing of the wrong
property, J. L.
Mr. Rooten: Well, it could be, Mayor, those are the recommendations that your
staff and the Metro -Dade provided for us.
Mayor Ferre: The address is 20th Street.
Mr. Plummer: No, 23rd.
A11i. The report that was prepared in January by the Metro -Dade staff
in conjunciton with your staff indicates the size of that property to be 4
acres and ---------
Mayor Ferre: 23rd Street?
Mr. Rooten: N. W. lath Street, N.W. 20th Street, N.W. 7th Avenue and the
Seaboard Railway.
Mr_ T>>,,,.mpr: Oh no, that was the old Seaboard freight house, that's not
the same parcel, that's the freight house.
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Mayor Ferre: That property is just as close to Jackson Memorial as this
site.
Mr. Rooten: I'm sorry, I indicated to you what was called in this report
as the Seaboard Warehouse, also the former Seaboard Railway Station was
analyzed and that location of N.W. 23rd Street and N.W. 7th Avenue and
N.W. 22nd Street and N.W. 8th Avenue also indicates 4 acres of land there.
Mr. Plummer: Four acres? No..... You see, it's more than nth Avenue,
that piece of property goes I think almost to loth Avenue, it's 3 blocks
long if I'm not mistaken.
Mr. Grimm: Commissioner, there's a piece of County owned property in there.
Mr. Plummer: Yes, I understand there is a piece of County -owned but that
can be negotiated.
Mayor Ferre: All right, let's continue the presentations and then we're
going to take a five minute break while they get the site.
Mr. Rooten: A nur,^.ber of the issues that I intendea to cover have already
been covered by people referring to comments that were made in the Saturday
discussion with the citizens and I'm not doing to repeat any of those. what
I want to do is ask Major Steve Thomas who is the Director of Security at
the North Florida Evaluation and Treatment Center in Gainesville to speak
to three specific security issues that were raised on Saturday and those
issues have to do with ;l perimeter security of maintaining a secure insti-
tuti.>n, :1�erirg people and also keeping people outside the Institution t at
shouldn't be associated with the non -secure portion and the second area that
was of concern to the citizens that we met with on Saturday had to do with
Vertical security and that is if we have the secure area, the secure resi-
dential and treatment area separated from the non -secure area or, the ground
floor and we mnaintain that secure envelope and keep those clients within
their secure area. And the third area had to do with the ingress/egress,
the security associated with us taking a client initially into the facility
so I'm going to ask Major Thomas to speak to those three issues.
Mr. Steve Thomas: Good afternoon, my name is Steve Thomas, 1 am, the Security
ief at North Florida Evaluation and Treatment Center which is currently
the of-er maximur, security Forensic Hospital in the State. I have been asked
to address several issues. First is perimeter security. I- the four years
of operation of our facility which does house forensic patients we have had
no escapes. In vertical security for the new facility I think the Commission
and the people here should realize that we're not taking an old facility and
redesigning it, we're designing a modern building from the ground up. We're
looking at the security issues as we're not taking a normal hospital design
but we're taking a unique design for this that when residents are brought in
and out of this facility they will not brought down the street in chains,
they will be moved into the facility and then taken out of secure transport
vehicles. These will be garage type affairs which are commonly known as
salad ports in corrections.
Mayor Ferre: Could we turn this drawing around so that members of the pub-
lic who haven't sceT, it will also have that opportunity? All right, go ahead.
Mr. Thomas: In the design of the building what is being considered is that
the community should never see residents while they are in the facility.
Several people raised questions regarding where the residents would be while
they're in the facility and I think you can see from the drawing that the
areas where residents will have access to will not he visible from the street
areas, that they will not be visible from the homes in the area. Another
I--s' ">n was raised on fire. In four years of operations we've never been
1 juitQ., to call the Gainesville Fire Department. They come out and check
c,ur fire plugs once a year and except for local ernercency trills that's the
only time that we see them. Our staff is trainea as fire righters and we
do tare care of that type of operation on the facility. FLnd again, with
this facility we're attempting to design a facility w:ich is completely self-
suSti ncd which will not be a drain on the community, it will not require
community resources except at a very minimum.
Mr. Mayor, I have one other person that I would like to speak
of issues and primarily a lot of the people objecting to this
fa�ility today referred to it as a jail or a prison. and I would like to have
tc%i;n Wright who is our program specialist in Forensic Services to speak to
the issue of the kind of differences in treatment. ,-"e sneak, as Major Thomas
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spoke of the security aspects, we th.hn'-: rr.,bably our greatest advantage in
security is the program that we have within that institution, the program
of treatment which is much different than the program of treatment for a
jail or a prison and I'd like Dr. Wright: to explain that to the Commission.
Dr. John Wright: I'm John Wright, currently in Tallahassee but opened up
and helped to operate the facility in Gainesville for four years. And I am
disturbed when I hear the word prison or jail associated with a Forensic
Hospital because the two are quite distinct and different organizations.
For one example, for every patient in this hospital there are two staff
members, in other words we're talking about 400 employees for a 200 bed
facility. There are 1.1 staff members in direct care in contact with the
patients at all times. You simply never find these kinds of staffing ratios
in a corrections facility because the major emphasis in a facility such as
this is to change behavior as to bring people back to a level of behavioral
competency, where they can go back to court and face their charges or to
bring them back to a place where they can rejoin their community. Many of
the people who treated in a forensic facility never go to prison, in fact,
most of them don't. Those who are there as not guilty by reason of insanity
might have done something during a period of acute disturbance. When their
condition is ameliorated and they can handle themselves in the community
ccrre;:tly they are returned to the community under the jurisdiction of the
court very frequently with outpatient treatment. That is not your community,
that could be anywhere in Dade County, anywhere in Broward County, anywhere
in Palm Beach County. And this kind of conditional release is done under
direct supervision of the judge and the court and in conjunction with Com-
munity Mental Health Centers. The other class of patients that we'll have
arp these who are incompetent to stand trial. Many of these men never go to
trial , r��: !L v; L1,t2;n ;;ever go to prison. The fact is that the criminal jus-
tice system sees them not as criminals primarily but as mental conditions
that are in need of treatment so that very frequently after treatment a
perso.4 goes back to court, it is perfectly clear that the accident that he
was in or the fight that he had or his argument with a police officer was
basically due to his mental condition, an,i not the fact that he is a habit-
ual criminal at all and scine disposition of his case can be made, he might
be put on probation or re-_eive a light sentence. The difference is that
we're dealing here with rhenta: patients and not necessarily with habitual
criminals. I would like to ruse that clear. The patient population is dif-
ferent, the staffing 1�opulation and the staffing ratio is different. As to
the location near ,lac%;sir. Vemorial, we see that as an opportunity to help
.;s ' rc:y ll y f, rs` class operation,. We have talked to them about the
sharing of staff, we've talked about the sharing of expertise with consult-
antz ?oin7 back and forth, we need to be near the hospital in order to have
the availability of serious medical emergencies, have treatment availability
in the Jackson Memorial Hospital rather than bringing someone with a serious
emergency from many miles out in the country. The training relationship
possibilities are obvious and they are quite willing to cooperate in sharing
of trainees and in the sharing of supervision of trainees, all of which would
mean a better opportunity for a really first class program, one that not only
the State can be proud of but the City and the County can be proud of as
well. The proximity to the court is a plus for everyone involved, it helps
in the expedient handling of cases, it will allow this center to provide
in jail treatment once we've identified the client in a jail. This will
allow us to do pre-screening in the jail very quickly, almost across the
strzet, it will allow us to move people between the center and the jail and
the court very quickly and cut down some of the lengthy time that is cur-
rently involved at the taxpayers' expense in the movement of these clients
right now. One other point was raised, it had to do with what kinds of
people would a facility like this bring into the neighborhood. Our exper-
ience with Gainesville is that the relatives visiting our clients are no
different than the relatives you would find in the Jackson Memorial Waiting
Room. They are primarily wives, children, the children are welcome and
patients. They are involved with our patients exactly as
the relatives or patients in any other treatment facility are involved.
T_ yn(.olr-ri^e, in either Gainesville or the Chattahoochee facility we have
n-r ,fr had an incident of any disturbance or damage done by the relative of
a patient. I want to thank you, sir, for your attention.
All right, anything else?
Mr. iic;ok: Just a couple of quick iterrs. The State Forensic Treatment Pro-
qram, of course, it we back up to find out what is a forensic patient it is
,3 1)uL-ie14t u,at is _ommitted to HRS for treatment and that patient is committed
to HRS by the courts and in Dade County by the Dade County Courts. When they
are transferred to HRS though they beco ands of the State andN
his time
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the institution at Pembroke Pines is under a state law to be closets by
September, 1982 and we're in the process of buildi;.cj a replacement facil-
ity at Chattahoochee to do that. At that time there will be no treatment
facilities for patients from Dade County or South Florida anywhere closer
than Gainesville, Florida. There will be that facility and the one at
Chattahoochee. Of the 8 or 900 or so clients in HRS care at this time 29%
of those come from Dade County and almost half of them come from, the
catchment area which would include Palm Beach, Broward, Monroe and
Dade County. And with that that is all I have to say.
Mayor Ferre: All right, thank you. Now, Ms. Martens, do you have any ques-
tions that you want to address at this time?
Ms. Martens: I have a few questions to ask the gentleman from HRS. What
type of crimes are generally committed by the criminally insane?
Mayor Ferre: I'll tell you what, let's see if we can work out a solution
here. So let's take a 5 minute break and then if we don't `ave a solution
then we'll get into all these questions and answers. 'we're going to take
a five minute break. Okay?
Thereupon the City Commission recessed at 4:15 and returneu at 4:3v P.X.
Mayor Ferre: All right, can we have some quiet back there in the corridors:
Let's give this lady our undivided attention.
.Mr. PluPlmer: Yr. Mayor, may I try, if I may, .i'm sure t ;is laCy's questions
ru-,ur t: tnc, `id fall site or the old Police atatioa and, i:r. .'•:ayor, I nave
talked wit", these people and staff, I think there is a possible alternate
solution that should be considered before we go back to the old Police Station
site. ;,,rd : thinn that in a way unless there is anyone here that indicates
their opposition to the old Seaboard Railroad site to be used. Is there ar.l-
one that would be opposed to that? That is 22 to 23 Street from 7th Avenue
west as much as loth Avenue. Mr. Mayor, I understand that that was not
advertised as far as the public hearing, Mr. Mayor, I don't have a hoard but
for the purposes of the City Commission I would ,propose this, if you all want
to look on I'll draw a picture. For all practical purposes this is 7th
Avenue over :ere, this is loth Avenue over here and this is 22nd Street on
the s uth and _3rd Street on the north. Mr. Mayor, --leis _iece of property
i% its entirety, the City presently owns 6.34 acres. There is a parcel here
which is co;t„itted to us from Dade County which is the old Auto Tag Agency
of approximately 2 more acres. if you will recall, the swap property at the
Port and all of that, they've already vacated this Piece of property which
was the old Auto Tag Agency and that is an additional which in effect is
already ours', we've just not taker. posession. An additional 2 acres for
the total piece of the property would then be 8.34 acres. In footage we're
talking about a parcel that is 12,085 feet long by 285 feet wide. I have
suggested to the State to consider the parcel which we just recently bought
without the two additional acres which is just about the size of property as
the old Police Station. They can probably come out a lot cheaper than what
would be the Police Station site and if there is a need for the additional
2 acres they probably would come out about the same price. This is in effect
about 2 acres, an acre and a half more than what they're talking about. Mr.
Mayor, my proposal or solution would be fiat they are, of course, in a time
frame and I understand that, we all understand that. We have already negot-
iated or sent to the Manager for negotiations to get appraisals on this piece
of property. These gentleman have got to walk back to Tallahassee tonight
with something definite and concrete in hand. My motion would have to be
that we tell the Manager to expand the negotiations to negotiate and get
appraisals on this parcel of land. The (b) portion would be to sc:,edulc
this parcel for a zoning hearing on the same May bt:i right as the old Police
:.i c u ,.:.Ll t},c- third, this might be the part that would De hard to digest -
that. this city commits to sell one of the two sites but we will co-.1nit to
;ell a site, one of the two to the State for this purpose. .... C.f course,
our preference being the SeaboarL property. Ar.d I would say that it would
then put the emlbasis on the back of the State to discount why they can't
use the Seaboard site. And, Mr. Mayor, I personally think that this is a
_ gooa solution, unless the State has some other that's what I would like to
propose and we could go from there.
Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor, I need to say to the Commission and the public that
nacl Lhu priviledge of going to Gainesville yesterday to look at the facil-
ity there. I want to tell you that the only question in my mind is that
facility might be in a different kind of setting over against where you
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want to put this facility here. I would hope that you and I who are the
citizens of this community would understand that nobody wants a facility
where you live - nobody wants it. I understand it, I don't want it either.
But let me tell you it isn't until the shoe gets on your foot when you
have a loved one who needs this facility that you begin, you know, having
a change of heart and mind and "oh, my God, why didn't this happen long
before" or, my bretheren, you and I are well hale and hearty today, you
have no assurance that tomorrow that you may not need the same facility
or some loved one of your's may not need it. I want to promise you this,
if you were to go to the facility that they showed me yesterday I would
rather be dealing with the FBI than to be dealing with these men, that's
how thorough and all that ,then business. I mean honest to God, I don't
understand especially if you're dealing with the kind of sick people they
deal with but they are the most scrutinizing people I have ever seen and
I want to tell you this, the entire around is protected. when they have
clients, the building is so structured that a building and a building on
this side and when the van drives in both doors go down, no way in the
world nobody could get out, no way in the world. The only thing they
have there that I don't like is they have that wire fence and I said to
them and they were talking about a solid door, I said don't come down to
Dade County with no so1i-3 door, we don't want it, we want to be able to
see and if you're goi`:g to do anything give us bars about that big all
the way, you know gates that will slide just as your present gates are
sliding. I tell you this, we in this community have got to develop an
empathy and a sympathy and a love for people perhaps who are not quite as
fortunate as sore of us. And I promise you further if they carry out the
protective measures an,,-4here in Dade County whether it is the Seaboard
1-- .it is the old Police place, if they carry out any of that
protection I promise yoi don't have to worry. Now, here's one of the
reasons you JDn't have t:; worry. ','<u don't have as much land here as you
have in Gainesville, you could understand `hat because you're dealing with
a rural area s,;.,ewhat. rut wh.,` they will do here based on the rendering
I saw, they will blii ld ur•, t`,(; first two c)r three floors will take care
Of your teaching, 7r, all t:i]: i?U,_;iI SS. :ti\'lty function business, the first
two floors then after t::at ,.t:ey will house people say on the 4th floor, 5th
floor, 6th floor, w}:at,?vQr t;.- number of floors. The average man who is as
sick as those patients arc. especially if you rut bars at those windows
and the protection, ani _ 1•a Li,ev have a central computer business (Isn't
that what that is, :omruter?) Central Control. You can't even open one
room unless the purl _In on the central desk is aware. I tell you this, I
only hope that we. - by the way, let me tell you another thing that really
blew my mind. Up in ainesville I said, what is this to us? Of the 200
and odd clients there, in;nates, whatever you call them, I don't know the
proper term, but the 200 and c,dd people in there, 26 of them belonged to
us from Dade County, 26 of them are our's. So we have a responsibility,
and I'm sure that as the popslati;n sets 110 be what it is here and the
older people qQ" 1 say this very tenderly, I'm 65 so you know I'm in the
group, you're more apt to become senile at some times and all that other
business and I feel it in my living. Watch how I walk around here. I
walk much slower now than I did 13 weeks ago. If you ever get sick you
will begin to understand. Do you remember that expression by the indian,
it isn't until you walk in my moccasin that you really begin to under-
stand. Look, I urge you as citizens out of just charity I urge you,
insist, demand - remember I'm the guy who said let all of you talk and you
ought to have your say and all of that, I urge you out of just charity for
your fellow man if we can use the Seaboard Railroad property I promise you
right now we who are here will say to the State Okay, go and put it there
or if we can't I definitely promise you that we will see to it that those
of you who have been so kind and loving and determined in keeping your
property where you are we will demand the protection you need there if it
means police we ought to demand it. If it means that you need a kind of a
f,nr, th,t lives you the protection we ought to demand it. You're entitled
.._. 1 .ion't want to get up in the night and think that I'm living
thrnugh a nightmare and I know you don't want to but for God's sake out of
charity for our people, out of charity, you know, consider it. And I think
.I. L. Plummer came up with the ideal solution. And gentlemen, you who
represent the Governor, you'd better listen to Plummer. Plummer offered
yn" a nioc'e of land and then you say another piece of land and what I think
we ought to do, Mr. Mayor, and I don't know how you get this done because
I'rr r,oc_ toc, good on parliamentary procedure business, I think what we ought
to do to put both pieces of land in the hat, put both pieces. Well wait
• your day. I want you to notice I sat here all afternoon and
didn't open my big mouth listening to you and now you don't want to listen
to me. Listen, I think you ought to..... All right, J. L. has a solution,
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but the men can't Qo away from here this afternoon not t,iat we
to Tango. That's the thing. I think that we ought to say that if you have
a preference i and preference 2 we would rather go for the seaboard property
as 41 and as the L A S T (in big capital letters) last resort the Police
Station business. That's my thought.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Mrs. Gordon would like to say a few words and we're
always, of course, happy to see our former colleague here. ;ors. Gordon.
Mrs. Rose Gordon: Thank you, Mr. Mayor and fellow Commissioners, I want to
state my position as a person that has been involved in land planning over a
great number of years and also concerned with the need for a facility in a
proximity to a hospital, etc. But I would like to state that the site that
you had been considering south of the expressway is not a desirable site for
a use like this in my opinion. A much more favorable site would be the
Seaboard site and I believe that if you would make your decision based upon
that site then I'm sure that the State knowing that that is your decision will
abide by it, I certainly hope that you will do that. Thank you.
Rev. Gibson: Mr. Mayor, ladies and gentlemen, I'm a clercyran, I guess I
was trying to be polite. I think, I can't guarantee you this, I think the
State got the message. Do you follow me? I think the state c;ot the message
about the Seaboard, you know, and if that's not enough the other two and a
half acres Plummer talked about, I think they got that message. ti:d I would
not want to cut them off, you know, I want to be polite but I would rather
say to them your first priority is the Seaboard property and t:,e additional
two or two and a half acres. They understand that language and they could go
out and get their appropriations and instruct the manager or whoever has to
:c it t3 '.,;ork cut a--- what do you have, appraisal business?
Mayor Ferre: Ttaght. Mrs. Martens, I sense a concensus forming on the Com-
mission, now do you want to continue any further discussions at this time?
Ms. Martens: I would like a commitment from our City Commissioners right
now that you will not consider the old jail site, 1145 N.W. llth street.
Mayor Ferre: We're getting to that decision in a —moment and it all depends
on the wording of the motion and I think it is time now to get onto that
portion of it.
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mlayor, what I am In favor of lncl'uGing In the raotlon is
to follow Florida Statute 253.025 in either parcel on the jail site parcel
I would like to set a minimum of 3� million dollars reimbursement, a maximum
of 4.2 million; on the other parcel which would be our priority parcel to
follow.....
Mayor Ferre: Could we forget the 4.2 as a maximum? Suppose it goes to 4.4,
we want whatever you want a minimum don't you?
Mr. Carollo: A minimum of 3.5, the reason I'm saying 4.2, Mr. Mayor, because
I don't see how it is going to go more than that and that's based because
we've had two appraisals already, one was a very very low appraisal, the other
one was more within reason, I think it was something like 4 million. So by
the Statute I quoated what it comes down to is that there has to be a third
appraisal and the two closest appraisals, then you pick the-verage of the
two. So it is not going to be over 4.2.
Mayor Ferre: Okay.
mr. Carollo: Plus I'll tell you what my personal opinion is, that 4.2 if
we could get. that it would be a good price for that parcel on today's market.
This Cc)mmission has made its position clear as to its priority, what I woulc
itr ,ou to iuc2ude in this motion again, is that Florida Statute 253.325 be
ti,ut on the parcel of the old Police Station that we set a min-
itnun, r.i :.5 million and a maximum of 4.2 and the Seaboard parcel, that we
woulu yet the average of the two closest alpraisals, whatever that would be.
Mayor Ferre: All right, we have what I consider to be a motion.
Mr. Carollo: Yes, Mr. Mayor, that's the motion.
Mr. Plummer: What was the motion?
Mr. Carollo: The motion is the incorporation of what he has stated together
with what I just stated now, J. L.
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Mr. Plummer: Oh, an amendment to the motion, all right.
_ Rev. Gibson: And let's amend it even further. Knowing that the Seaboard
property is priority #1 - that's what we told them - that if for some reason
before any kind of an action is taken, any kind of an action is needed they
must come back here first. That would protect you.
Ms. Martens: it isn't either/or then.
Rev. Gibson: Yes, that's correct.
Ms. Martens: Because Mr. Plummer said if that is not acceptable then the
old jail site would go up as an alternative site so it is my understanding
then that.......
Mr. Plummer: No, ma'am, let me make you understand. Either way it has to
come back here because either and both sites have to go before the Zoning
Board on May 6th. So it has to come back here on the 14th.
Ms. Martens: Yes, but what you said before was that if the old Railroad
Station was not approved theta this one would be the automatic choice of the
City Commissioners. That is pretty much the way you said it.
Mayor Ferre: What I would like to do, with the permission of all the members
of the Commission since they're two separate items is to divide it into two
motions and we'll vote on each one separately.
Rev. Gibson: All right.
Mayor Ferre: So could we do that, J. L.?
Ms. Martens: Well, can I just tell the Mayor and Commissioners that if you
acain reconsider this site that everybody who came down here today will be
back again and will want their time again. Am I right? (APPLAUSE FROM THE
AUDIENCE) I have a couple of questions that I would like to ask the people
from the State that it would follow a guideline for any location whether it
be the City Police Department or.....
Mayor Ferre: Go ahead, Ms. Martens.
Ms. Martens: Does the State presently have any or know of any forensic hos-
pitals in the United States that are located in a downtown civic center area?
Mr. Book: Yes, as a matter of fact there are several of them including one
in Dayton, Ohio.
Ms. Martens: Are there any of them located within 200 feet from a residential
area?
Mr. Book: Yes.
Ms. Martens: And what has the effect been on the residential areas?
Mr. Book: None.
Ms. Martens: Do you have any pictures or letters to back up your statements?
Mr. Book: I'll be glad to get you pictures if you'd like me to send them to
you, Ms. Martens, I told you last weekend that we would provide you with that
information if you asked specifically, we have talked the real estate people
in Dayton, Ohio, as a matter of fact a gentleman by the name of Mr. Breisch
who is a major real estate broker in the Dayton area and he has said that, in
t,jct, there has been absolutely no impact on property values nor any....
M:,. M.,,-tins: I'd appreciate seeing that in writing. The State is presently
building two other forensic.....
Mr. Book: Let me just add something, that Mr. Breisch has said, he also
statea that Belmont High School is located immediately behind that facility
and there has been no impact on students leaving the school, there have been
no escapes of any type, people leaving the facility, there has been no harm
to the community whatsoever.
Ms. Martens: But there is definitely a residential area within 200 feet of
that......
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Mr. Book: There is a high school right behind the facility.
Ms. Martens: A residential area, homes where people sleep at night.
Mr. Book: Ma'am, there is a residential area where children go to school
every day.
Ms. Martens: No, where people go to sleep at. night.
Mr. Book: Where people go to sleep and go to school, ma'am.
Mayor Ferre: Look, let the record stipulate that Mr. Ronny Book said both
go to school and go to sleep. All right, now let's go on.
Ms. Martens: All right, the State is currently building two other Forensic
Hospitals in Florida, both are in rural areas. Is this because the State
feels rural areas would provide the safety necessary for the criminally insane?
Mr. Book: No, there is no, none of those criteria went into the selection of
those sites.
Ms. Martens: Does the State have a set of guidelines or criterias to follow
when building a Forensic Hospital?
Mr. Book: Yes.
Ms. Martens: What is the desired size for location of a Forensic Hospital?
Mr. Book: We have two sets of criteria, one for the rural facility that I
described earlier and as I had explained to you on Saturday in the meeting
we look for 80 to 120 acres for those rural sites. The fenced in area within
the secure compound depending on the recreational space runs anywhere from
21 to 40 some acres and on the outside of that we have a buffer zone where
we generally ask for up to 100 yards of buffer zone on the outside of the
secure compound. In an urban design, however, where we necessarily need to
build near the support facilities that we discussed earlier in an urban area
we necessarily have to be talking about staffed facilities with no green
space or recreational kinds of things in them. In those cases we've been
looking from 5 to 10 acres and it again depends on the shape of the property
as I explained to Commissioner Plummer during that recess. The shape of the
property is significant to an architect designing a building on a piece of
property .
Ms. Martens: You stated to me on Saturday that you've been in Dade County
looking for 4� years for a site within the County and that you were looking
for a site at that time of 80 acres or more. What I would like to know is
that in 4� years this site was only considered as of January or February.
What were the cviiections to the other sites considered and were any of these
200 feet from a residential neighborhood and if they weren't how close were
they to the nearest homes? The other sites that you've considered in the
4� years that you've been looking.
Mr. Book: Ma'am, we've considered upwards of 18 to 20 sites I suspect and
if you would like some background information on the nearness of residences
to each of those sites I'd be happy to provide it but I don't have that infor-
mation with me at this time and I don't think this Commission wants to be
bored.....
Ms. Martens: No, I wanted to make a point is that other sites were turned
down because of certain reasons and I want to know if any of them were
because they were near homes.
Mr. Book: No, well, not within 200 feet, no.
Ms. Martens: Okay, that's my big point. 'There was one question that one
of the residents in our neighborhood wanted to ask Mr. Wright if he is still
h�rc.
Mr. Book: Dr. Wright is still here.
Ms. Martens: It says, if the mentally incompetent can be rehabilitated by
behavior modification why can't the mentally competent prisoners be rehabil-
itated in the same manner.
Dr. Wright: I presume you're talking about the common criminal, a regular
criminal prison, why can't they be rehabilitated in the same manner? nM�r-
`/ , n n
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Ms. Martens: I didn't ask the question, I was just u)ven the....
Dr. Wright: I would say that even common criminis ir. a prison has the
potential for rehabilitation if there is an intensive enough treatment
program if there is enough staff but the Department of Corrections has
20,000 or so on their hands, is always in short supply in terms of rehabil-
itation staff.
Ms. Martens: Very interesting. One other thing, as they mentioned that
there will be 200 patients in this hospital and two emplcyees per patient,
that means that there would be approximately 400 people coming and going
from this site, the old jail site three times a day so to say that the
traffic created by a facility like this would be about the sane as it is
now couldn't possibly be true.
Mr. R.00ten: Ms. Martens, that staff of 400 is correct. That is three shifts
a day seven days a week and 400 people don't come three times a day obviously.
400 staff don't come to that facility 3 times a day.
Ms. Martens: (INAUDIBLE)
Mr. Rooten: No, what we said was the, staff to rat;o is 2 to 1. `kay?
The total ofz employees for the facility ,;ill Gtz� total nu.'1:)er
of clients will be 200. That's 200 but they won't.....
Mayor Ferre: Yes, well what that means is that the 1 will be there all the
time but the 2 won't be there all the time.
•ir. ': No, what htQ sala, if ,'ca had tG ....s :,1.�,.''x'YS, hu sa:
1.1 is what he said.
:a. �rte:,s: T;ere is still a lot more traffic going into our neighborhood
tha., there l:a :low.
>` _ I" (_: YF_ . Al 1 r flt, now we have dr. amended motion `mien :.iink
you'rt: c1cinc; tc ;,zivu to re=eat and Carzilio, you're CGinc: tG nave to vL:rii;J
or visa-vcrsa, whichever one wants to do it.
Y.r. Yi'xuner: Ail r1C(.t,1,11r. Mayor, the motion that i woulu make, the first
part of the motion would be that the City Manager be instructed to add to
ti,e negotiations with the State the 6.34 acres of ti".e Seaboard site....
:�ayc r :'crre: Cn _13r6 Street.
Air. Plu.*•,•ner: Well, the Seaboard site.
Mayor Ferre: Well, we've got more than one.
All right, but I'm delineating 6.34. Okay? I am not making
it the other. That the State Statutas reiatin: to Chapter C20305764342 be
applied, whatever is close to that, that the Manager be empowered to hire
2 appraisers, the State would hire 2 appraisers, the City's expense would
I
ater be charged to the State for the appraisers as part of the purchase
price.
Mr.ycr Ferre: All right, Mr. Carollo.
Mr. Carollo: The Statute that we're referring to 253.025.
Mr. Plu1rjT;er: I accept that.
M, . Carollo: The other amendunent that I want to _.. l cu i:1 tnAt, tht St:,2-
1�•;,,r.: r;lto, we haven't had any appraisals so we realiv ao: 't kr,ow what It
down to In price SG wt' Can on.,., o w: _.. tatllte Gr.
t •. �: ,,. "),4, 1 j1 tti nuW, the former ?once Static:: si-. - we -,ere cr .e5
(:' • t W" t (• standii.g there, there have been tw: to come: in,
r 11•;,1(,X1F1rAte1y $4,000,000....
Mr. buuk: One for 4 million and one for 2.268.
Mr. One for 2.268, I think we're all 1�r, agreement is terribly low.
'., . t• , ,r.: T�,,,L' � right.
' 11o: What I would like to include In that is that we get tf:i: t:tir.:
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appraisal, I doubt that it is going to be lower than that 2. whatever....
Mr. Plummer: Do you want each side to get three appraisals? Two and two.
Mr. Carollo: You want to divide into two, Okay, I would hold this back
then.
Mr. Plummer: Two and two.
Mayor Ferre: All right, now with regards to this first motion, would you
add to it that this particular site has the priority approval....
Mr. Plummer: Mr.. Mayor, that was going to be my third motion. What I was
going to make in the third motion, Mr. Mayor, was that the City indicate
to the State that the preferable property is the Seaboard and that they must
prove to this Commission that that cannot be used before the City agrees to
sell the Police Station site. It puts the impetus on the State to prove that
it can't be used.
Mayor Ferre: All right, now with regards to this motion is there anything
else you want to add to it?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I'm not an author. Does anybody want to add anything
to it or delete something from it? I'm open.
Mayor Ferre: All right, further discussion on that particular motion? This
deals with the Seaboard only.
Mr. Plu:rj,er: Th,it's all this deals with.
Mayor Ferre: All right, now, call the roll.
The followin, motio. was introduced by Commissioner Plummer who moved its
adoption:
"10TION NO. 51-345
A MOTIO:C :.IrICT='yi TiiE CITY MAI;AGER T7 ADD THE SEABOARD RAIL-
ROAD SITE D.FINED AS THE AREA BORDERING N.V.. 23RD STREET AND
COMPRISED OF 6.34 ACRES TO THE NEGOTIATIONS CURRENTLY BEING
CONDUCTED KILTH THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR A PROPOSED FORENSIC
HOSPITAL SITE; FURTHER STIPULATING THAT THE PROVISIONS OF
FLORIDA STATUTE 2`_�3.025 BE APPLIED IN THIS CASE REGARDING
_ COMPENSATION FOR THIS PROPERTY AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER
TO HIRE 740 APPRAISERS TO CONDUCT INDEPENDENT APPRAISALS OF
THE AFCRESAID PROPERTY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COST
FOR SUCH APPRAISALS WOULD LATER BE CHARGED TO THE STATE OF
FLORID;,.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the motion was passed and
opted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
Mayor Ferre: Now, on the second motion.
Mr. Plummer: The second motion, Mr. Mayor, is.....
i•aa"jl Oh, I'm sorry, there was something to do, you mentioned before
with the zoning.
Mr. Plummer: That's my second motion. That the City Commission directs the
administration to schedule the Seaboard site on May 6th, the same night that
the Zoning Board is to hear the Police Station matter, that they hear both
matters simultaneous for approval. That's my second motion. That's timing.
Mr. Mayor, also for the edification of these people which results would come
back before this Commission on May the 14th - Planning Advisory Board, we've
^fot *oo many boards, I can't keep up with them.
Mayor Ferre: May 14th or whenever it comes before us.
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Mr. YluRLner: No, *tr. ReIcl has asSUre:Ii 1,s
on the 14th.
Mayor Ferre: Well, I'm going to make a .t•gLiest
date to the 15th if possible.
Mr. Plummer: Okay, the first available Commissiu7-. ?!erclr.
The following motion was introduced by Commissi;rier , lummer who roved its
adoption:
MOTION NO. b1-_4C
A MOTION DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO SEABOAP.D
RAILROAD SITE, GENERALLY ,7E,SCRILED A 1-1A: AREA BOP-)rRING
N.W. 23RD STREET, ALONG WITH TEE FC;ILDING
SITE FOR POSSIBLE ZONING CHANGE T'.E P:.AVNING
ADVISORY BOARD ON THE AGEN^A t`)'r' m;AY i ,
Upon being seconded by Commissi.. ntz:L
opted by the following vote-
AYES:
Comnlssioner .�:..,�:....
i15S1GneY: ..
V1C:Q-V..dyC,r (RCV.
ilidycjr allr" iLC �i. f�. ". <_
NOES: None.
i•idV��r=t:Yte. All r ;ht, now, tfi,_ IA."..,Oi..
Mr. tll� ♦
on record as w'lv w'an, t::e slt4._ G
and before we will revert back to taC' C,t`er . _tt C ..:a +:. 7,:a:
t:iey _ainnut use trite .`'.E_,,Lc arci mite.
( iiG;;S FRt:t; i, Gii:�CEi
Mayor Ferrv: 1,tiLi1., that it —ay be Jut .,e n:a5 a r-y t i?;OL'1Gn. .iiw
is that the extent of the motion?
ur.er. Mr. ':agar, t :at the e.xter.t of t.._ �,4:.iCin any .ar. rap .....
No, you're committing to one of the two, wo are p,.ttlnc: the e-mphasls on
the State saying to the State you must use the 4eabc,,.- property unless you
can prove to us you can't. Mr. Mayor?
Mayor Ferre. Please, Ronny, : want to m_ke .=Lre sense :.f
the motion. ..:e sense of this motic:., _-orre_•t no if ;'m w•rona, is
that it is the City Commission's policy .hat the .ealoard ;'ro:)cT"tom' be .tseo.
However, if the State comes back ar.d says ,r,c3t. it c innot _,se the Seahoarc.
property then we are committing to sell the jail site prcperty to the State
for a price no lower than 3.5 million, no higher than 4.2, is that the
sense of the motion?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, that is the sense of the :notion. Now, is that
secrjnded?
Mayor Ferre: It was seconded by .Ioe Carullo.
Mr. i,lw mer: '•.r. Mayor, let me say to you that- t.t:_s whc:ie' th.nc- is tirinc,:.
:lI i.i j ;',iys t'-.at if they don't go bJck tC, '.;m, rrcw with some.
definite commitment in hand, the funding is gong. 1� is
i•.ii:: AUJILNCE
NO, you don't w'itit t_'_' a.t_i:. i. t:..xt, ,t 1 wror.oj 'i,e '.v:,'t
w.,T t- loose the funding, that's import,.nt to t',�� cG-�,.,..izy. ::ow, you
know api,les and oranges are separate thine 5. Yol; d0:,'t wi,:,t it in your
neiy;iborhooci, you don't want to applaud to say t:. t Da:iu County is
to the funding for a forensic hospital, come
Mr a. KL•ller: We simply want to hear that emu_ not gol:g to ,e
t :ii:3 purpose.
M.,yor Ferre: That's right, Pat, that' S a CG:tplcetUly Separate item,.
01
Mrs. Keller: Yes it is, but this either/or business, Mr. Plummer, I don't
have to tell you that you cannot make these decisions now. There are many
people around the Seaboard property, they might object to it. At this time
we are in agreement with that Seaboard property but we cannot have it and
either/or thing - we don't want it at the old Police Station.
Mr. Plummer: Pat, you know, if you hadn't been hanging around this City
Hall as much as you have you well know, Pat, that they're going before a
public hearing in the Planning Adisory Board. The people around Seaboard,
as you have gone there and screamed all of the time have the same right.
So we're not denying anybody.
Mrs. Keller: Right. Well, then evidently you're not getting our message.
We don't want an either/or thing. We simply want you to make a statement
here today that we will not, that you will not use the old Police Depart-
ment for the purposes of a jail for the criminally insane or a hospital/
jail for the criminally insane.
Mr. Plummer: Pat, I heard that the first three times you said it.
Mrs. Keller: Well, you don't act it because your motion is not putting
that forth.
Mr. Plummer: Pat, you know, if. this Commission came here today and said
you know the hell with the people we've approved the police site - I think
this Commission has gone a long way today to try to satisfy these people
who have taken their time to come here. Now, what we're saying to the
State of Florida, before you're going to get that Police Station you've got
to prove to this Commission you can't use Seaboard.
Mrs. Keller: Well, you're not listening to us. We don't want our property
used for that purpose_.
Mayor Ferre: I thine, it is the other way around, Pat, is that I think
you're not liste:ln:3 t-, direr. iie made himself perfectly clear.
Mrs. Yeller: Yes, ae 3id that it is an either/or proposition.
Mayor Ferre: That's right. Now, is there further discussion on this item
by members of the City of Miami Commission?
Mr. Carollo: There's ust one more area, :r. Mayor, that in this way I
don't have to make any ad3itional motion - that the Florida Statutes per-
taining to that be followed on the other side, that's all. I've quoted
the statute number so we're ready to vote on it.
Mayor Ferre: Do you accept that as part of your motion?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I can't argue with State Statutes.
Mrs. Keller: Well, if I may suggest, all we're asking is a statement from
you people that the property we're speaking of, the Police Station will
not be used for the purpose of a hospital/prison for the criminally insane,
that's all and then you can make all the motions having to do with the
appraisals and all.
Mayor Ferre: Is there any further discussion by members of the Commission?
Mrs. Gordon: I just wanted to emphasize what Pat is saying, if you take a
firm stand on one site the State will agree, I'm sure of that.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer who moved its
adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-347
A MOTION STATING THE POLICY OF THE CITY COMMISSION AND EXPRESS-
ING TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT THE COMMISSION WISHES THE
SEABOARD RAILROAD PROPERTY SITE, GENERALLY DESCRIBED AS THAT
AREA BORDERI14G N.W. 23RD STREET, TO BE USED FOR THE CONSTRUC-
TIOtd OF THE PROPOSED FORENSIC HOSPITAL FOR THIS AREA; FURTHER
STIPULATING THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA MUST PROVE TO THE COM-
MISSION THAT THE PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED SEABOARD SITE IS TOTALLY
U14ACCEPTA13LE PRIOR TO ANY FURTHER CONSIDERATION OF THE MUNICI-
PAL JUSTICE BUILDING AS AN AUERNATE SITE.
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l:.u>n C'1t1 .;� Sci �:-�iiil :•:j l�'1 i_V.;SIiSSl... :, - .,. yfa:> _- ..
ado} ted b,: tilt- following; vote:
AYES: Conur,issirner :?oe C'sr•:�li 1
Commissiu,:ez Ar:r�ana,_
Commissioner J. L. L l t;zrler, z'.
Vice -Mayor (Rev.1 Theodore F. Gibson
NOES: Mayor Maurice A. Ferre.
Mayor Ferre: I hate to be in the minority under tiles '
I'm sure a lot- of people are going to misinterpret. 1 have been ,..,inking
very carefully in listening to all of this a%cl wan't ' E is you ti;at 1,
It were inevitable, there were no other location avall,iL!.t' the% I tllln..: the
public good, the overall cotrimunity good would have t) r`:e• an,: I'm
afraid the neighborhood would have to he sacrifiicec.-1:owever - iisten to
me, just listen to me, ;ust iistel, to me, piea:;e. 1 c; ,`.'_ sli he courtesy,
now I expect the sane, 1 know you Won't believe we-ws, courtesy, Pat,
but I expect for you to at least ;,a••. - =h:�' o... ~c;: "'-w lei. nu
finish my statemel,... .iowevu
natives. I *-ink thLt the Seabo.lyd
what Rose Gordon said is right a,-,-1 ,.:.pit .s -.1 7
State is forced to .iC C the S�-ail 'ar," ';,
on this-.!Dtion .Li, .. wan,_ VGu to un]e * > , T.-.:td::'�
i thing,. ..-:c is totall• cn _.;t-: �te, .:
State officials t a ahS,.1ut'_,1, ever.,thing within-
it:t .e sea✓oard t''"O'�t:.•_ ti:: 1 _. _ i.Yl
.i :i.✓aeorl't =C :.:. N :nc
the .:rEcS.`.l:C an: i
gOttefl W:, it _'C u k aLtL 1, 1t aSL 4ry
Mr. b,:Dok, u,-,MiS510:.UrS, L�... I' _- t _._ :.r; OT" -5-
tehln-, tZ,v'u: �1.._ , 7 _ St e-3- L.o iC3
1 on, :8:i Cis :. .a:, wt ' VI-
f,LriY 'w::�: '�' ,,.' -_ u.. r 'w •_'
that w._' le
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loJk -
is i. a :� _ _ _ ... _ ., is '" L) ._ . O Y t'
the re:.t355 tri t it was
t rICT -. W.:S .,.,r, �•j , ,l t'S Oi t�"iL Ot=.l i:C,ar I- t.rt1d..-
4 .,c're g:l::y tG c 1)ach: Fr3 .kl`
.f we :a,. T: r:L ci CLai any we can -S :a:.i ._ :ili_.J:. i:;7 a half J1011ars C'n l' p o-feet cynd we're 1. to ..'
tIi t w,., O a5:5..re b'Gll, tale ' iiT=, 5 1<' ne:` nu tilt: I,u_-41,t Ci.1 _ :at wC
will .:C- a:.,.. that wt.' 11 make the diecls_. o_ is r1C1i7. for everyo;-,e.
'Ai Vvl F rrQ; ..'loaf's why I Kept t"_.... j
t ne time SG yUu can see what is going on. `::it_ .,. 1, n w;7s hat if the .eta u
car,r;Ot -1,stif-y the Seabodrd property ",t t: they have t e right to purchese
4t no less than 3.5 and no more than 4.2 million dollars under State Statute
as outlined the jail site property for the use of a Forensic hospital. That
was the motion. ikay? Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen for your
patience.
INAUDIBLE COY,". -ENT FROM THE AUDIENCE.
Mayor Ferre: It was approved, that's correct.
MS, b;,aT CCI':S: NlT:. Mayor and Co^lmisslonersI wG:2ic
You. We -c,uld have had several more people here ..aa.' exce-_)*L that tr',c
in
the System is not workingM1 f:' `t _ . 3..1, t,it �' Ali slit a.^� dry,
�' `• t'- •+ , . , ... t la:! _,aper and It happens tl-,e next Z_Pi . wa _O t.'.a: vo ' u
,t 1t-me:, very mu,:: for showing us that t)-.L systum i - _. _ _,. ,
()I-v1(, s1y K;-uw th,it Garaeh ,.s not zhe only tt
of Miami an,, the public: good is something that. h.,s _c, .:,c :Gn iere. ...
evu,y unL of these items. Thank you for keep rc- �::_e:. sn; ;,
r � 50 to
the <�i" lerrtrrTl Gf the State of Florida. We KIIoW }'O:.'Yt� r:v:. _;a: e.ne ,V ` r. we
way.t ti,e money frorQ Tallanasse� the woT'st wa" k'(_ w'i t0 w:)ri. 'r"lL 1
P" as much us we can tG get this money down here'.
for voi. And you know What, _t' S :3t t:i.... O: Sit
thil,klrig that cjets the job done and I guarantee v0'.i LI': iL +t1 C:Z Stitt nGI,L
has InGYc- influence on the State in getting this thl'.•� GVcr tG :-:�E jcaG03r1
property. Trtank you. you Catch more fyics wit:: r
1.75.E >:.t, wit: vir� jal
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37. EXPAND RESOLUTION BANNING CONTACT WITH EMPLOYEES OF CITY
REGARDING CABLE T.V. COMPANIES.
'�avo.- Ferre: Mr. Gerstein and Mr. Fine, would you yuickly make your motion,
see you come, Item 37 comes first before 41. Go ahead.
Mr. Richard E. Gerstein: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission, Richard E.
,erstein 66 West Flagler Street and Martin Fine. I'm appearing as
President of Miami Telecommunications, Inc. and Mr. Fine is a member of that
group. We are respectfully urging the Commission to adopt a resolution ex-
panding the present policy concerning contact by any of the cable franchise
applicants or their agents or representatives with any elected or appointed
official or employee of the City of Miami. We urge the Co=,ission to adopt
a resolution banning totally any contact whatsoever by any applicant, agent
or representative of any cable television application presently on file with
the City from having any contact whatsoever with any elected or appointed
City official or employee except at a public hearing. This would expand the
present policy which you have adopted. The present policy calls for you to
loc: in such contacts. The resolution that we urge you adopt is one which
•,could ban any contact whatsoever by any persons associated with any applicant
with any official or employee for the purpose of insuring that the applications
are judged solely upon their merit and the decision is made upon the merit
of the application and not upon any lobbying or any activity which might
t::e sunshine law or the public policy of the State of Florida.
-or. Ferre: All right, Mr. Gary, what is the administration's position on
t }Ils.''
Mr. Gary: I have no problem with the intent of Mr. Gerstein's request, I
think the only issue that I have is a legal issue which I think the City
Attorney should address. I think also that one thing should be added to
that and that is written correspondence to the Manager with regard to ques-
tions about the process. I don't want to block anybody from understanding
what the process is,particularly as it relates to this very sensitive mat-
ter.
mr. !Martin Fine: We would have no objection to that as long as it was all
available to every other bidder.
ma-. Gary: I would agree with that.
Mayor Ferre: All right, let's get the legal interpretation. Mr. Knox, would
it be legal for us to do this?
Mr. Knox: Yes, sir, there is no prohibition against your doing it.
Mayor Ferre: Further discussion....
Mr. Plummer: Wait, wait, wait a minute. I'm sorry, I was out of the room. Basically
what you're saying, let me back up one step. The present operating rule today is
basically what is referred to as a "gag rule". All right, that says that anybody who
talks to any Commissioner or staff it has to be reduced to writing and made a part
of the record. Now, it is my understanding from your letter, Mr. Gerstein, you
wish to expand that further to what point?
`Suy,z Ferre. Total.
DL. Gerstein: We consider the present gag rule to be inadequate. We want to
expand it to bar any contact whatsoever by any applicant or its representatives
this issue of the cable franchise within the City of Miami.
?71-. Plummer: On the issue.
mu. c,etstein: Yes, sir, only on that issue obviously. We do not want you
beinq lobbied.
Mr. Plummer: We don't either.
li. Ge?� tein: I'm sure you don't.
td,yor Ferre: All right, now Mr. Gerstein, if the administration has some ques-
tions then how does it get it answered'-' Shouldn't it call for a meeting of
everybody arid do it at a public hearing?
Mr. Gerstein: Yes, except at a public hearing, T,., leZ t' :r except at ci
public hearing.
Mr. Lacasa: I make a motion that this request be approved by the City Com-
mission.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa who moved its
adoption:
MOTION NG. 61-s46
A MOTION TO APPROVE A REQUEST MADE BY R1CiiAR:)
ES. , PRESIDENT OF MIAktI-TT.�:'C f ; 'ttilC��TI _:tip, Ii�C TO . X-
PAND THE PARAMETERS OF THE ":sAG RUNE" i=RES.'ENTLY EFFECT
REGARDING CONTACT BY ANY E: ECTFD OR .'I TY GFFICIAL
OR EMi LOYEE WITH ANY CABLh TEiE`JISI : Ar'r'i.i..y'�: , BY 11RCHI-
BITING ANY CCINTACT IN AN-1 :'ORM WHATSCEVEi', L:._.G._ T AT "I . c -
LIC HEAPING, SUC}i PR, -I .. I-C, 7 :1,)
A.'�Y LOt r'ii'�G G iN UENCE OF A ::' }'�.:� :. '�' :'HE'
FU—LURE AWARD OF A CONTRACT BY TFIE
Upon being die onded by Com;7as: loner Plummer, '-he :'loth:,:: was passed ar.t.
opted by the following vote -
AYES: Cormissioner Joe Cara:lo
Co',missivner Lacasa
Commissioner J. i ... .U_ , Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. F erru
NOES None
A13SEI' T . l' :e _IyuY
3E. FROPOSED RENT STAEIL«ATION LEGISLATION.
Mayor Ferre: Item 41.
Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Mayor, I'd like to call Mr. Lin::oln Diaz-Balart.
Mal3r Ferre. All ri#t, Mr. Diza-ia:ar , a.ic _ .. ink out of courtesy, are
herbert Lee Simon. a:..: Rose Gordon still here? Okay.
Mr. Lacasa: Is Eufalia Frazier here?
M..r. Li:-.coln Diaz-Balart: Yes, she is here, viss Frazier is here. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor and honorable members of the Cormission especially for the courtesy
which you havo shown us and the many people that have been Mere waiting very
patiently, I want to thank them personally, I know that you also have grati-
tude for their patience, their endurance. I am Lincoln Diaz-Balart, I am a
lawyer with Legal Services of Greater Miami and I'm speaking to you today
on behalf of the Dade County Legislative Tenant Committee members of which
are our clients. The proposed ordinance which we have sL:bmitted for yo-ar �C-n-
slderation and which I hope you will have had , chance, we have itt�nr,tcu tc
clstrioute it, I know that it has been short noticr but we :^.ave to
alstribute it to all of you and if you don't have I'ii be r.,ore than p'_4.,z�uc,
to give ta`:i of you a copy. The ordinance would be unlcue for a nu:..ber
all, it is our legal o;ilnlon, jrl: We naV :li u C:inCE' :,Gw
L„ spe,lk to 0u City Attorney and I believe It is .'Iso t o City P.-_`_Grne;;'S
vll1L,1v1s 11+.1t tnls ordinance satisfies t-he itz!qu;,remC;.t6 the state law
places :,n mu111clpal1ties when acting in the area of rent rc:guiation. The
proposuu ordinance is also uniquu because c,f its modcr_ition. nila it wo_-.d
regulate tier amount by which landlords could raise runts foi some apartments
Gal 11,1j LIu' year UI its Validity, the Grd1r.1::C6 1S rJa1a:,cu p,, zh& fact t:,at
aftuctud apartment building owners would receive a ta:: LrLak from the Clty.
briefly some specifics on this proposal. Apartments in i liidings with over
.u:itr. for which monthly rents of $250 or less was chargec April, 1�Jd1
would be covert:d by the ordinance which would tare uffc:ct after approval by
the electorate as required by State Law or, January 1, 196:1. Rent for these
controlled apartments could be raisea 86ore Char. 10A during the year of
AF,R 2 1 1 61
the validity of ordinance. owners of apartment buildings with more than
4 controllei units would be entitled to a reduction of Win their ad valorem
City taxes for 1982). Only buildings constructed before April 1981 could be
covered by the ordinance so that it cannot be said that this would constitute
any sort of (Iisencitive to the construction of rental housing. Now, the real -
the rental housing emergency confronting the City is painful but it is
alsr r a' 1-ne people that live in the City, low and moderate income people
that livo in iiami. The vacancy rate in many areas of the City is one half
o: one percent, ir, other parts under one percent and rents have commonly been
risin,- -,t her rate of $100 approximately a year for thousands of tenants.
Ti;ost :: _ ,z e i.,o,.)r, nearly so and whose apartments would be covered by this
o: ainanc.c. ,�t. _-annat continue to face this situation without help from you
and WE, L(Alf_ve :.ha'_ it is fundamental to Miami that its honorable Commission
fa e t'.c c_::•_:ii n F, of the crisis and adopt this ordinance. The City Attorney
has cv.-,ke_ -: that if it would be possible for the Commission to wait
until t-'r,• :•;c:. 14th or I believe the Mayor suggested the May 15th Meeting, to
vote }, ieclaration of the housing emergency which is a prerequesite in
thus ,_;r .ii.;. ;;,a s time frame which the City Attorney is requesting he
ys anti 1 believe he may want to speak to you on this in order
st<,ntlat_e with data, statistical data the existence of a
ir, t're City. We know that there is a housing emergency, I
s:,a, ,_,i#-re is a housing emergency, the people certainly know
cr1(!-r.c1ency but if it is necessary to substantiate that
•, r ,.t.ii raw statistical data then I believe the people would
<< r,.l:le ,_ more weeks to make sure since the proponent
,t::.: :,.,vc the 1,urden of proof later in court that the record
that everything has been done in the most careful
_rtainly we would have no objection to that. we are
,_ rs for your consideration but also to the City Attorney
:•: :.._ :.file and we will certainly be back May 15th again and
interested as well. If there are any questions
C: tl attorney, I want to thank you very much for your
i w uld like to make a motion at this point then to
t o come back to us at the next Commission Meeting
'• .=- • _ . •,. _ .,.._� —ito t.-.at we are going to need and to notify all the
rote•::;t in this issue in the past and make this a
,;,t we get both sides of the fence in this issue to come
= •. .-•• - ...i havu� all the data possible available to us to make
_ :or this City so I would like to make that in the form of a
'•: ';.,yo:, before we vote on that motion....
is you're out of order, the man has made a motion.
1.,ro fie.;, is that Ms. Frazier who is here at my invitation as
1.'31art to discuss this issue has not had the opportunity to
::rE•sentation.
M z c •,: .. _ it, will , definitely.
:-1_;nt, we have a motion on the floor, now you could do one
of ._w, y,u can either second the motion or ask the maker of the motion
':r .•,- .:�•,: s:.�.:1:: ask the maker of the motion, Mr. Mayor, to withdraw the
- ,•••,.w� the one who put this on the agenda ....
_ s.i nplify it.... .
I second the motion gladly.
st•cond the motion?
:fight., now we're under discussion. Ms. Frazier.
Mr. Mayor and Commissioners, I'm Eufala Frazier, I live at
since we are going to come back on May 17th I would
ti,tn and to bring back more information from the community
,,uu for this consideration. I would like to say that the
� iation of Miami is funded by the City of Miami and the
olnriiLtee was put toyther by Tenant Education Association
9p
:,
ani. we have te::arits are reiresentec.. fr % _,1....G ...i:._..,t, h' , _.ice__'
City, Coconut Grove and also some parts of Ftiisori i.-tt-e liiver. And I cer-
tainly would appreciate your consideration of this bill.
Mayor Ferre: Now Eufaia, and Rose Gordon is here a-i.? I ,-.or.'*, know w;letnt:r
Herbert Lee Simons is still here, but your rel.resentatio;, of the----- the
realtors went to great lengths in making presentations _o the Cit`;• of
and what have you. Now, as I understand it, Rose, tht _hrast of this is
I think in an area where I don't really think most t: t:]e realestate peg: ie
are too concerned with because it is under $250 a rain'.h (1) an,(2) it really
takes it to the ballot for ratification on the ..art of the electorate of the
City of Miami. Now the question that I have before I rec,:,:.ize you Is to
the City Attorney and to you, Mr. Diaz-Balart. 1' ,at :Is z�a,•s he'
that anybody who is involved in this has a 5* a., vaiore ta:w re action. ,',I,
it is my understanding that the Constitution of the ofi e c:- ri„rida prchi:its
that, is that correct?
N.r. Knox: Well, Mr. Mayor, 1 can tell you ti]at3 ,. IE was
in the City or iioll}wood and there was some
we will examine the litigation, and
for the COi mission relative to that portion of _lit Vr uLi1S wltn
tax incentives for land lords.
Mayor Ferre. And le,. me t-011 you w :cr(. lt' S at
the co:.stitution sa: _;iat all property wl,.
Florli:a a nG that .natter has bet:. tdKe:i to
nave been sore Constitutional a::.endments that. were . d.ir;t :==r
fallt::: a:i�. cow% ....cuss YOU Can t3ivu me some iec 7j_ 0,- _... ....:it, 1'T ..•7:. .�.:y
._flat I'm against tht rest of it, I'm �ll5t .e1-i: 1GU ..I1:._ ll.',.•. ^.a; p -
tion gives a : t t. ix je,- uctlon, 1 think is unCUi]Stitlltib:i �l
!-:r. Diaz-Lalart. Mr. ::ayor, it is a very intEr?5t1:.=:C•:... �'�
and 1 w: -,;Id certainl;' agree will the City Attorney
requires 100Ki:aj into an,•�� If it C,ot QJwi. tG L::t_ i1L:.t _.a' CC:.. aI Li _,-
ular par.. of t,,1 L%rG1=u5E.. orCinance woulc:
lI'^re--- si-:n th,:t we h_—vc a very Ciff1 :t
the tenants of the city would be more Lhan willin? ,C) '1Ve ur, t. _ �. he
reason it IS Irl t:']u?"t IS beCause we have been t `l,-,kll:C o-f Galance : ort th:n
dnytnir,_j el t, .a:. L,, �t_:fur t0 the C I erns, many ti.fii_� r F' :.Cl rI15 Of
the pc_)i ie .::at Y1S:] Lalance In this kind of legiS.12111Jn an,; we w.i :tee to
make I it Ls mode.ri:tt, a proposed ordinance as possible but your point is very
well taken and :urtain.y we will continue studying that. as well.
Mayor All right. Mrs. Gordon?
Mrs. 6or:4�-) `':'. yfi r , i u01i't belit:VE Z wani. t0 rE t :,C arty &rguments at
this point, you know the position that we have taken and we have documented
it with good and logical reasons why It would '-.c etr_,mental to the commun-
ity at large, it would hamper construction of new units, etc., so we'll save
that for the next meeting. Thank you.
Mayor Ferre: Very good. There is a motion on the door, further discussion
on the motion?
Mr. Carollo: Just one more area that I would like for t:.e City Attorney to
provide to us, the percentage of apartments in the City of Miami that would
be included in this proposed ordinance.
Mr. Knox: Yes, sir.
The following motion was introduced by Commissiont_r Carollo who moved its
a_,61_•tiuli;
MOTION NO. 61--149
A MGTION INSTRUCTING THE CITY ATT,Jnti'EY TG 01.1IDE T:.; T:iE CITY
COMMISSION AT THE NEXT MEETING ALL ADDITIG::AL 2•ATE ONC--
.:ECT OF PROPOSED RENT STABILIZATION LE�;ISLL.TIG?; :,1;:, I?:STRUtiT-
ING THE ADMINISTRATION TO NOTIFY ALL PARTIES A^` hAD EX_PR:.SSE:,
Al' INTEREST IN THIS MATTER IN THE PANT, �O II -LA. THE CITY COM-
MISSION MAY PROPERLY EVALUATE THIS PROPGSA.L.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner LaCasa, tnu mcLion was passed anC
ul`tuti by the folluwir,y vote- AYES: Mr. Carollo, Mr. i.acasa, Rev. Gihson
.1t,J Mayor Ferre. NOES. None. ^ ' AbSEA1
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Mr. . j :.. ; ; :, . . ; ;,an}c you very much, Mr. Mayor and honorable Commissioners.
NT . Lac:3sa: N(c, 1 think, Mr. Diaz-Balart, that we, the City Commission, are
tr,r. -r.—I }.. _,vc: tr) thank you and Ms. Frazier too because actually we have
heE,ri `.... 1 ::. , .ta .his question of housing for quite a while and so far the
TI `.' 2 it i ':! '_t: prt)posltlon that has coat' before this city Co^]misslon with
..h n, ti c.ir, sctCtething for the peoc)ie t;,at do need this kind of help
i.;,: r,r• ,, s 5 : 1 think that you are the one that has to be congratulated
y3u VCIV Luc}:, :,�;^�.i.� l•r,er Lacasa.
-i = .�:_ SAL 7E TO NELE:v Al:,
!SON BEtiEFIT.
i'( t-sll t Lght, ra+w t•irs. Buchman,-, 15 here to clet a waiver for the use
At,,ii!_criut.,, a S,lutc to ile'len Allison Benefit Theatre Arts
,tr:c: slit' is willing, the Theatre Arts League is willing to pay for the
!-lit. lns'ur•ance, cituaniny, etc. anti all they're asking for is
tiwaiv�_r c.?t tht� rE : ntal fce of
was lrltro,iu,::ed by Cornmissioner Gibson, who
NO. 81-3�)0
i BY YOLL'i BUCHIMAN REPRESENT-
_,_ ,: A FEE WAIVER 1N CONNECTION
IN Atv AMOUNT NOT TO
.,�._Sio: c La_4sa, the motion was passed and
rc ,... .. tier Carcl to
'•,. ..i s>;c ::er Arr, -Ando Lacasa
T ii(2odore. i:. Gibson
:•1a:;>r 'lauric:� A. Ferre
tor. tlayor aria members of the Commission, I'll be very
your time constraints. I'm here on behalf as President of
`1r-1)vt• Cnairber of Commerce. Back at the January 22nd Meeting the
action to close the streets and to enable the arts
at that time there was some comment from the Florists
problems of having the date on Valentines' Day, it was
c.,:,.. •] motion was made that the issue would be brought before the
that's why I'm here. I would like to say that following
,.. I:111uary 22nd we met with the members of the Grove Association
; val an,l they were very cooperative. We discussed the prob-
.,t i:,,.,' :guy as a date for an event: of that scope and we worked out
t., mitigate the impact on the florists and I felt very comfortable
w. t:: t.iIt-, ,,.. a gruu?) of people and I think we re-established some lines of
- ,_,. _hat maybe had faller, down over the years. The Art Festival
any it was a great c,uccess. It is, as you know, the single greatest
t t_sries dace in Coconut Grove during the course of the whole year.
o: events that take place but this is a fabulous one, it
all ovt?r the community, all over Dade County and really all
It is not so much a commercial thing in terms of sell-
ti,E: stores as it is a chance for the public to see the
_L.::; wi:..�t is there. So we wholeheartedly support it as we always
88 APR 23 1981
r
F r-im, ..:<: C ,,.,... C1 slew cj whdt 1. _ ..
brin yj_�u up c: C dte, it had the ariticil:aI-e tzl1it iy ai
their business.
M-_•nr V _ _ a On the f lorists? It improved business 2
Mr. Meredith: No, it u.d not. Unfortunately It Inate::.iiy :EL;iQS`itJ it.
It is just the nature of having it on that date. We (i�Ci a ],-.,:,er of t'nir.C;d
in terms of controlling traffic and giving them, better ciCcess but the results
of it were very disappointing.
Mayor Ferre: Well, I'll tell you I think those flerlLts ana those yuop)e are
entitled, and I really think that there is no r.easin why we can't have this
at another date, it doesn't have to be on the 14ti1, does it
Mr. Meredith: From our point of view we do,:'t 'c c'll _'.'c tiJ, but also my uncC er-
standing and this is only a rumor and fortunate!': icai.::e is here and sh,' Ca;,
confirm it, my understanding is that the Grove Ns:�o.:i.�tiJ i:a5 aiZ"Cd::y aGrit_d
not to have it on valentines' Day in the future and i t::i:-1k t1:dt_ is a great
piece of news and if you can confirm tnat.....
Mrs. Holzhauser : I prefer to comr. ent w;it;,
Mr. f;eredith: GKay. But as 1 say, at ',� lt.'ve_1 ii
I would like to say that 1 Mope it is Lriil 3:"... Lkc i. ✓� _r :,...,.. ..c� :v; a:.
respect for all the ,,,embers of the Grove
like to work with them in the future. :hu::k ;cu.
penc(l _-, let -me f:2-;5. . ..:"
of Four ntinuinc interest. anCG::Cc r.: abC 'it ,..c. t 1: U:. i' _,. : _ u.SC.
want tv ._G nCratuliatc ua"r.E
her nother)arnd certainly that o: t:1G e:.tirC ;,_t: CC 'r..1G. :]C
CLSsfuily headc-d to what was witi]Gla u:" v--!:
that has eVel bt_er: hold in X.am.i. I t:._.:k I . ::z ..:.. + ., w u,. 1J .t a:.
think it is amazlnc and i -,list want :-v tb..l. \'Cl :iGLt' Vert am U1 tiht
absolutely 17,agnif icent fob that you 4ia.
Mrs, HclZha�ser -. tti ]z you there Chariic",'
Mayor Ferre: ',-,id I ao what?
✓]tillz you there, Clarle, iyou gi L]t .t l ?iiJ
Mayor Ferre: Yes, as a matter of fact 1 did.
Mrs. 'r.olz "hau-sc. . Vi::clt dav?
Mayor Ferri:: it wasn't, Friday it was raining ani _uturda';• I cnrit-d to make
it anc didn't make it and Sunday I parkt=d i�v car ne e ana w11ked up a iittlt
but but I didn't walk too far because it was so crowded, I've never seer, any-
thing like it. Go ahead.
Mrs. liolzhauser: If Mr. Meredith is through, it's my turn.
Mr. Meredith: Well, I might make a comment afterward, but----- ---
Mrs. F.olzhauser: No, I'd like it, I asked for a perscnai appearances following
his and I would like a personal appearance following his.
Mayor Ferre: Okay.
Mr. Meredith: Excuse me, if I may make one final rope on
lh,il f (it t:]tu Chambc_r that in the event that future: celebration6 or festivals
+.... l„ LhL: Grove that the Comirission will ask for G.ir i:.l'.tCCL-
mc'l,t LeL-ause so mai.y problems in life can be solves 5.:_.y L;y t;;,o6 corr�,�^lca-
t.1, 11 11.c] we'd be happy to work with you in every way tn.,t. we can. :rank you.
Mayor Yurre: Thank you, go ahead.
Mi.,— liuizliauser: I'm Joanne Holzhauser, llvt nighwav {:.
i.'.Gt Grul'e and I'm the executive dlrCutcr Gr t t 7 v.'.'lt l Z'Cive Assoclatlon
'w"'i-n s,,unsrrs the Art Festival. I riad alicut De. -._-.se + Barron, 1 saw nia 17iC-
'r t 7 f] ,rterE.Q, J. I,., you t01� me last year De:;,l:�ey .7arron 1.s. .back li.
tt,wl.. ku:r.c:n:bcr I came in here or.e day ana you were t.e,asir::, me? I der.' t have
aS l;u:iy wrinklc:s as he does but he's got a 1:,t more mo: cy t : n . Vc yot, J. L.
I nave , letter pure fur Mr. Gary Crum Fucker Gibbs wno c�,uid r:"t be ::ere a nc;
89 A r R 2" I � C_�I
3;W
-_1171a2-ks kc- to have on the record and I
t-,. Apropos of the date of the Arts Festival I am
a I knows A1x)ut1_ something that was discussed to
1),)ai"! rllt�etivl on Moncla night. I have always known
th.it. .,I little rumor factory at Coconut Grove and it is just
that boai,, nf,etivs art, not jrivate, that other
t-hat goes on. So, of course, ",r. Meredith has spoiled
:J;,11, ilopin,l that Mayor Perre will be happy and not yell
u I t1it_- dal_ � of the Art,; Festival this year, I mean after
ir,i and, snow.... .
he si._'-, %cu JI(Ii, Maurice. Well,
jar_- -.Av- Art,i 1, 11 riry Wels In 11
if -,ez ,.(Don but unfortunately he
is wil", :x-: 1: "!..1.O 1 know how -.hey are, you can't get them here some-
�i, t_ w,, w, the date
ial-er and we've tried not to
t.)_rselves too much. I would like
`is we're doincl this not because we
iisadvu.,,t-aale- by it particularly but
-,rougn nny more controversy, it's just
t t,,) dix.)l.it of my '.,ours. N-)w, I would
e r e _i I h said abDut his cooperation. We
!wall that it was after the meetinc. here but
-iny I., e f ore. We iid pro, se Pe, Rip,,)le 5 feet
:y eisty, I c)f!(,re,.i the lc-i'y sever al accomoLa-
provicle 1�LArl lca,jf2s.
iorry. Cne of them was that we
to _ise tnt:m, We n t put police on
;ive hei.- feet between our florist at
J V' I found out
'All
,I- eciipment failure and 1 found
::ere last year that they took Ms.
C'Jt i!_1 front of their stands and sell got me, as you can
.3 Ma r S1113 came and
I- I A':' 710171',111(?, and I found out that Mr. Meredith
back over ani had asked one of my artists
a. i,e kin,i e.,ough to dismantle the entire thing,
iio%7L!4 it over to give.Ms. Ripple 2 more feet.
ht, had put his stand back together again and
.11r. Meredith according to this gentleman
move, it over some more. Now, 1
:I't. C,Ai_1 this ---ooi-,eration and I'm really tired of
i-, c. t .- o n that talks about cooperation. The lot
I was of Bred To t-he C..xaber, I offered in every way
money on it to cooperate. They put a number of items
w,th .j i-)ull horn that we had to go and ask to please
--c)tton candy machine that spread cotton candy
!A:,Y two full days of the festival. This is some
really am nor, to keep quiet about this
iu it isn't cooperation. I don't appreciate Spence_
171% artists and asking him to move, I don't appreciate
this to you all, this isn't cooperation. And to get
as I say, we've changed the dates. Somewhere, I'm
y(_,,,r packet of this letter, the second paragraph of
I -Ijor cf Commerce - I'm sorry, the first
C,11:7 Lhat any public activity requiring
an Coconut Grove he approved by the City Commission
the Coconut Grove Chamber of Commerce in regard
o the activity. Last year it was Stuart Sorg who
Iv.', t) yLar it is the Chamber of Commerce, I really
t, the players an} -pore. Now the Chamber of Commerce
he Banyan Festival and
Uf their owr. cailed t
i Banv,in Ftwsliva: I k. I wish them well, the} can make of
I-eser"T it an.:i ramd-jer of the rest of us in the
1�L* We I ive in the Grove and the Chamber is just one of
'Ve the copy of ticker's remarks to Mr. Gary and
ttr-t-r, 2r,t_,, tht: reccrd: it has come to the attention of the
'a .r the Cc)c,(,I.ut Grove Civic Club that the Coconut Grove
F 1.]_; that any request for street closings in
or otner Crovu-widt:? event ' s be approved
-;:ter Ll;e recorrum-en�_,_ation, of the Chamber.
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Additionally, the Chambcr seeks the s:,::._ sepia.
slon's apprr,va l Gf dates for sucY}
Chamber serves an Importar:t functloh 1:'. GiI" LO iL. "_1 ` u-
one group to the positior, of special advisors to�s.,Ion on dates
_ street closings for Grove events is to ignore other :active Gr-jve groups with
an equal stake in when and where festivals t._i e l pact -V.;e a :ee- all the eo-
ple of the Grove should be considered and cc nsul'"ec why; t;,ese is visions are
made thus the Civic Club hopes that the Grove groups trom the CAA Advisory
Board, the Civic Club, the Merchants' Association, ti:e Co;:,;r.ut Grove Deve,1 op
ment Authority, the Central Grove Association, Ti(,crtail anci �jyshore Horne -
owners' Association also be considered when the i.t; -„3K; 7 thcFe
Surely these groups through their consistent Inv oi.t tent i:. Coconut Grove
over the years deserves the same priviledge the Cna-nler it is clear
that one organization does not represent all of Coconut Grove nor shoulc cniy
one organization advise the City of Miami or, what is cr.e iciai for Oocor.t:t
Grove. I'd like to tell you all as far as the Cha,:3,er e—es as 1-3r as non,:�y
goes. The nearest calculations I've been able to far is that we
rolled about a million and a quarters dollars r:s,e; ::.ti .ei th-t :s tc, beat
350 artists and the vendors that we put in - we put st-vc- -:.,
the way that we didn't chat -�e bat the ve;:7t:rs tha` WV,
people roiled over a million and a q',:arter w;is
Now dor..e of t;,is morel stays in thu City, St -me .}n�•:, ri«: :a_cs,
if I were chief executive of ; car_:orat.i.�n tha = w,,s , ail
with that kind cf handle maybe it wo it be a;... -
I ' m to l ling you that there are :Merchants an t'.iu Grc.D%t ::, : t_r l . i
have several artists who Will Come -`OWn anyt4m( ;ih tCi� }'vu i3': i:i, e'
dropied things like y or 5 or $6JO at Greenstreet's cF 7,tner
S Ops. Our artists do indeed spend money and
I'm really hap;.y that the
it was a -,00cl festival this year, I'm co:. ern ,t Ji-._. c` :Z.
the street. We cannot have a carnival atrioS pert_ .Miuri „
at this time I'd like to come before you all in twr, or three
start discussing perhaps with the City Manager L rst w:,at we car, r:o to
vent some of the really frightening crowd situations. h,is i!� the time to
do it, but we cannot have a Mardi Gras.
Mayor Ferre: The crowds, the two times I went, one time I cidn't even walk
in because it was unbelievable.
Mrs. Holzhauser: Well, as I say, today is a long da: a-.. '
� � �r: t wan z: to
do It but I' . 11r C I Clscuss It with the I -tanager `_hat w(' nee:
to worn: on it, we can nat have What happened in and' other pla:;es,
the Asso iation just doesn't wan" this to Co on. 1 appreciate yo'u all listen-
ing to us and I hone you're satisfied with the change of dates.
Mayor Ferre: All right, thank •,you very m h.
Mrs. Eo1zh3user. i:, I'm sorry, Father Hi.nkstor. :.!so rice: have been here to discuss this but ho w,: c1-;t of t,-�wn t: isyweek and he says
to tell you thank you.
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41. APPLICATION: RE1,'-:BURSE.M-NT OF COSTS
OF CU3;a; AIM F1AITIAN GEE
T1 ;jy commissioner Plummer, who
move" i'-s c,
Z 1 '7j i
A GRAI;T
Di:' JUS:'.IICE :%.SS I STANCE,
-iND ASS
ISTA'=., DEPART-
70 R THE E RE - 7,FYA.iRfS, .37AT11", OF LO DA,
Am -T or �1,588,593
JN
- P E.N D 1 TU RES INCU RRE E)
X7 i D_ :_A-1-:TIMENT AS A RESULT OF'
._-";T: 7-:; kND FUR11=
TC, ACCE-PT THE CR7 IANTS AND EXE-
'Iwre and on file
resolution was
11winr7 vote-
�.'.durice Fe r r e
2 -,!' - -- - T,-; CENTEI( 3860 THO11AS AVENUE.
Commissioner Plummer, who
?LGRIDA BUILDING COR-
:LmC;U1N: CF $1, 018, Ei00, BASE BID PLUS
C il- FOP, FIRE -RESCUE T P!�OPOSAL,
'.NIES Ti-,--., :F"F. ALLOCATED FROM THE
7-2,10UTNI' OF $1,818 500 TO
C-j.:'T;AID; AL'OCT.T-NG FRON ;AID FUN'D THE AMOUNT
"
Ti._ Ll"" _70'71' OF PROJECT EXPENSE; ALLOCATING
C-6 :00 TO COVER THE COST OF
I; TFSTIN; 1-ABOBATORIES, AND POSTAGE;
C) 7:' $70,400 TO COVER THE
AU7ii0R:,7,1!1G T"l:' CITY Y�NAGER TO EXECUTE
omitted here and on file
6;.Lt;on the resolution was
J. L. Planuner, Jr.
R. Gibson
%.:�urlcu A. Ferre
Cc,mz-ssici -mandc Lacasa.
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i
43. DISCUSSION ITEM: ANNUAL HAITIAN CAn.NI%'AL.
Mayor Ferre: We're now on Item 33 which is J.M.C. Francis L. Pierre who
represents, presenting the financial statement of the First Annual Haitia:l
Carnival. All right, Mr. Pierre.
Mr. James M. C. Fra;,cis Pierre: GDod
Pierre and I live at 1312 N.E. t`.iami 1-oust I.- ?dim ,i. t.r. a:: r, o r.l5slo:her
ladies and gentlemen, not too long a(;o the hl-i7 ti:::, A: r._ ir..,::i icn, Inc. was
before you asking for your help and su.�pert fcr t.,e 1--St a:.nuai E;altian
Afro Dimension Carnival. Your financial ar.1-i noral s'.:. p, I was greatly ap-
preciate - and we gl'✓e our Warr-heartE t:.3ri.`I5. :i5 1• _':e :.�arU, t;.C' 1car1:1-
Val Was a su cess. .he media Gave ".'e _:::?nt a wA ,ie
Metro Dade Co'.int: `.3.s :,roclaime
Carnlva'1 Da%. io�,,y the real l;aa Af ro 1._
fi.LuinClcia St.:ttCr,i„t;a'.. of tale EV(2nZ
1:resQnt Com,;.'l;:lt; c 1:'(:Ctor "f the 7,t
J.Ai.%. F raI:. IS .'i(=trt
Inc. to Spear ar ..ts behalf. We -ilvcc
evetlt Which us ai l y t clk'3S 1?C I.: hS to pre %are . :jli.: • _ , r'__..:'c : }' ::.c Onl-
mlttee t:ad 1.h[-ill e .3r iC)'; I'ij z3L.t_ h 3L T, l::. ,_:ia x,t:,.
et Cod:.. E, C:iU COEU1.1t',UU rt.-
1i.ESSt2S, ....:1'.:u::ai %lfts, Salo of :Ooth _ 'aces in
to I:lt,Qt- the
to irut jcl,:el' :.. - t:it' floats.
a::d L'iIQ t?.( iGrout. 4cine-:. forces Lr.i bc,ycor i 0I -
1C :i L :iStltl tiv1't your ucd will stool ljD S13e .i:.._ k',_' :itOvc Cl. :)Ut
till Q.:i(3�:�5 1tit.::�_ ._�,::t:. ._-....Ll' "•y _....1(- iC.,.y1.:Ga1L t1 ,.5:...c..:?`� '+:e:c
afraid and L:a' a _ ,i'.. _ We .:r-E::e3 Lr.& ;,'1nC1 a i:.'. iE .id• f_:l.
_..�1':...'t aVJi rri4;1.'.Cj ,.. .:(?: -o C lOil
you tC: tit i :r ^3lt .�Ct, t�ifJ, �'(' are ,u...E `.1J rt(C;ru:i1C
'.a:tlt 'or tnE' 5and anG le trli:'.!C sound s j s: e lent .iS by If::t i'ii.tCCl
.''`i,iSvliii: Ci;:itvl .`.i: .i3ltian Afro Dimension, I:ic. ,,Limb! :-1`_SO asks .:ate city
of :l.trll to c:rant. US the ola fire hU1 dlrij lOCda.. .l! _C' N.-E. -st Avenue,
Ml.im„ t :Jridn, that it may lod ge the first iiaitlan Cultural Arts Center.
Tr.e cl-, :irc; is locate] i:. gnu 7._..._'e arL7a, a: we h;�ve alresay
er_;h%lslzed we want to promote to the community to art, Lui.enire, education and
at:,ietics which wiry per-mit the Haitians to intt,grate faster and better
the lkmt.rican io,2icty. ;Nt the SoutGwest cor?.cr of the Gam:I:... street :aorta
Miami is a vacant icit w:.ich a.S tne opert;' CP.t' r-ty of 'Miami.
We have beer. thinking_ how wise it could be if th::, lot was used as an artisinal
Haitian market which will add a new color tO t:.E_ areal ana so in sore respects
support Miami. Our long range goals include four popular and large everts
ever}' year In the Little Haiti area. The events are as follows: ( 1 ) zh,v
carnival to be held during the 4 days immediately fcrece:;ir,:3 Ash he,mes.iuy,
(2) a mass followed by a (Haitian term) which uniortunatel•y is a naitian
word; On April 17 to commemorate our ancestral (haitic.n ter;..)
(3) a mass followed by (Haitian term) on August ti. tc; commemorate
the :,artin Luther King march on Washington, D. C. and k4) a Christmas teed
on Christmas eve with distribution: of gifts, music, etc, The last three
funetic,ns above listed will always be held between ::: and 67tti Streets c::
Mia.::i iavcnue which is considered the hub o: Littlu alti. We hulnhily req-,:est
you �'O:n:_der olir proposals lh a Idvcrzl_ldi.: we
ourselves for Miami a::d the L. S. Thank '✓Lu v6ry ..,...:. :vr your
underscan,.in- anal I hope that I may be able to a:tswe: .ny c',;u6tlori you r,.ay
Mt- i'i':::tmt•L '.tihere is the financial statement.
Mr. Pierre: it was sent to Mr. Fosraoen.
Mr. ;;ary: It should he in your package.
Mr. Plumntel Had the administration, gcn� Olio" t- 1 _.. .:� l n: State ml:.t.'
Vvv l,.:Ave looked at It on!,,, in te_ms GL AC
in orde - to verify this financial statemment , It we d require an audit, we
rave not performed an audit to verify the+ :_jr,t,ers.
PSayiJi. -c_ :nor4> than the money we gave.
Mr. ;;;.11;• a ra,ht recall alien this item came before the
Mayor iL I W
i:,", c7i) 11_ in house.
Mr
t4:.
:. .. .• -
I,. ;;,* r.c•.il
at ttltilr,c that this grant was
m,.lde by opposing groups that
t.,1.
-•l, n , :
t .� u: an,.,
up and that was why attached to
w.._,
ghat this was to be produced within 30 days
the future if any further grant-
inc
regarcless
of what the audit costs I think
at t�',1S-•oint, it Wd5 lllClllc3ed
i !,, ;, .:.' 'ci;',' • 1 iltic 5t. wili cn is .;inOt lOrder today
t-at_, sit, you wo',ald have to make in
an , r1� ,"<3:i �urjlle It if he
y JIC •..�Sii:;. 3 later time.
is also, with the old f1Te
,ar.d :•:i.ami Avenue.
What you're scheduled
to present a financ-
_....to do that that you can
Else up at a Later
people are here to talk
_....:r::L. SY'•'ONETTE REGARDING HIS
_. ._.. _.• .7. •iV7 ... I'i. •x Th J'TREET.
,, , w : l•a•re Mr. Symonette regarding a property located at
:.. :l�.yor. and City Commissioners, ladies and gentlemen,
r:.g'nts •nave beer; stripped away.
r. re yc)in; to have to speak louder.
ro that. I think that all my rights have been stripped
dwa taxpayer here since 1952 and now one of the biggest
�•�t section. sut I had my hotel burned twice and we
iru u:its in America that I know and we have the best
wild & tney played around and let my building burn up
turU ttu_ board, the Housing Board and they
?.ut some ; uo_.le in the City of Miami want my
-I ti-lt they were willing to pay to tear it down.
uuc:ep,t it they deciued that they'll tear it down any-
.. ,-r it:. I'd like to know why I'm having so many fires.
,.:,ant tnis to happen Mr. Ellison of the Fire Depart-
=v� w1.�,,� lot of trouble and he really was telling
liras in less than a year.
I Y. c, r. e -a .
itf .s than a year and I have never had that many
u, to now and 44anwt to know why I can't repair my
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bulldlnc7 ;ust 11k�2 t:te people across
Mayor Ferre: Ali right, Mr. Manager? Go dneatl, Dur,,1.
Ms. Dena Spillman: I'd like to put this matter i:, ru1:fy _ ers eat ivc ,
Mayor and Commissioners. This building has been ,ri t,,E hE1tj11A Ur -
hood for over a year since two fires did take place in mIv of 198i.. 7':1ert
is a long history of enforcement on this property. O:: Aprli ,5, 1,)60 the
Building Department ordered Mr. Symonette to evacilate :a:'.d `, arc ,:!) the build-
ing which he did. On May 1, 1980 the owner was infor.,,t d by t;,t B',:i l.iing
Department that the structure due to the extensive danage caused i.. the fire
it met the criteria for demolition. And I want to say right now t:,at this
is a process that is followed city-wide, ware not plc. -;.in,] o:: Mr. Symonette,
he has been given over a year to repair his property a::ci r.vt:;i:lc3 has bC(21i
done on the property. It is a hazard in the neig:d)Jr1'-",cU,3,:i, is or', uyesore,
It is a blightir,,l i:,i il,e.n:e, t have p,:ssed <:uttG you c :: an C:,Yint,ur's
report that was done privately which says tilat that p�i1d1:,^_ _s i:ot feasible
of being rehabilitated. i wc,ulti also like t0 aau th:a' ...
Mr. Geor'je Perez have "ust investud r;.ililGr,_:
are across the street from that building and they arc •dc r•,.' upset Ci,cit _-.0
City has not done anything to either fix up the buildinc. or tear it down.
Now, if Mr. Symonette was going to f1X It U:) lit_: ,.,:C, a y._'a= `_ Cdo S % a ,
nUthlnC ..has happened. He applieG to mace CGLnt
r .
County said that the building was not feasible Of r:.ui :. 3 _ : is l:l".`':
the fundlh y . i wou.' i` like to also dell: that '31 .
would be the only c_-Onomic source ,:o iG this an-- It
..as hruen ::u.L of. by Llle :.gaga;: n:d:ninIstration so t:.f_r(_ nc, .,Dw 1 :teTC
rehabilita;.io:, loan prograin right now.
MS. ;dC:Kie Beli. Bi-*_, .*,r. ?:ayOr, SLt is :OL State: _ ...or Lei
the fire t::at w,.s In that, Z'.._.._.�:,_. that wt:
CO_lar_= to rE :luh t:iat Luiidl:,g. ,,.:av? We :'lave ha' rG:_1e , ;'cc5, in tr"
to get the doll.,rs. Y:.... :lave a :private encineer that went Lu= ht:!rt ii i k2 10;
weeks aco an. 4 Sa17 LG a l u J.. L:.C' EXt_:t5i':F water .. :iC _ L f:r_
Sec3n: r loc r trait. it _ z .lot _t a3 I. )le Nut nrior :G 1:,
a: L 11,:;' :r`,CI
rE?:,at�lilL3: G: �uliar5 -( re::aG « w(: ..:G a b::jCti e: c .let�:r .id::EU :ariCS
::itCG6.1 ;hD C ,vc S a :CJOr w.:o sail D is ed5_: _i rl:,c:. __ 3:-G = c:
r"ef1SE d lt. i s nain LGt :. st_ri3,s jiroLlems in trying to �ct _hat
CG GT.'i:ilt�: t0 a, anything thrcuoh the Cit',✓. .tie haven't ::u'_ r-nose problems
now from co:(,.mercia,. rt:,obiIItatlon. Okay, we've been able to....
:Mayor Ferre: Charles who?
Ms. Bell: Charles Mitchell, a native.
Mayor Ferrer Are you aware of Mr. .._ -:hel,:'
Ms. Spillman. Yes, I have a copy of that, Mayor, anal it was before the fire.
Ms. Bell: No, it was not before the fire, Ms. Spillman.
Ms. Szpillman: Let me go back to the prEcedent 'here, Mayer. This building
has beer, in bad condition for a year. I have been dealing in this program
for 5� years. 4;e have never had an owner when confronted with this situation
who did not either tear his building down or fix it up.
Ms. Bell: Mr. Mayor, the problem in Overtown is what you have been hearing
for the last, i can vouch from 1974, is black removal, it started when I
was girl in 1945. Okay? And father Gibson who was a Loy over there car,
,,)u that it began almost when he was born. O'Kay? ;l '�e ave :,dli -r, co--
i:j-i'T".nt lvl. from Cor=,i:nity Development. Now In 77 L::d t, sk force pt;t toy'cthcr
a 'ram called Iflterim Assistance that would have bt=e:: assist.
t •r i)wy;erS who had those Building Code problem--. 'Zou nL0'+ inbLca,: Cif
.lei irttlnq it happen In that community oy t:le W::o ::ate ::t -.
all brought it in City Hail because .:r. rassiE sal : .:.lt
DLSL serve us from down hire, aDW, ai, or _rlosz! nave: Lee:.
4tE 1,t, we from Now 11aShi ngton Heights have been h-"rras c.: n t we ^a'✓en't
beet, ar�iriy our jot, but Mr. Mayor, I car. :-ere to:iay ijo, a-.d ask tn15
l'O!AIRl_�:�i0i: tU ask their ddrr,inlstr,.ui c, , w .it hapt Eht=G _ ;: •i ;��, UvO --'or this?
yt2 Ir ()f 77, '18 Ill. II1terlm Assistance doll :rb' cdhl CVcr,! ir Lrcreafter yo'i
liavc allocated with no fight from this body. viS.A,., :,C fly.a : rO,:i
C01' ,urilty Development staff to conti::ue t0 put L*,G:.c.' _.. Lhc.C. r'a.Q a_i '✓OJ
,:dt, star_ Gil Secona Avenue and the rest Of OVcrtown, t:..it wh_1.tcvr_r
in those dollars is some blocks that .'lave beer: put_riilolti'$ t:.ot ,aVe
Leer Laid for by the owners of thos, Luilcings tr.at wt;• ::i :a;_y got treat
5 APi� 2 � ;y�j
program, okay, to put some blocks in them windows and the owners have to
pay one dollar a block for every block. Okay? Now, here we have not
asked them, we weren't asking the Comminity Development staff to give this
man money, we asked for a loan. Okay? And we have had nothing but trouble
from that entire department from 1974 and it is not that we have not come
to you. If you look at the Guiness Book of Records, New Washington Heights
has the longest history of coming before a Commission trying to stay in
business. Okay? Now, here we stand here today and we are still in the
same identical problem with property owners that we were in in 1974. Now,
here we go again. Is it because just like she said Marty Fine and those
have gotten the building across the Street? And tir. Mayor, if I gave you
the honest truth about that building they would put me in jail? Okay?
Because Dena knows that we know what the problem is with that building.
Okay? Now, either.....
Mr. Plummer: What is the hidden agenda, Jackie? Is there something rotten
in Denmark?
Ms. Bell.: Wait a minute, the hidden agenda is the Riverwalk and they don't
want us black folks in this metropolis down here and want us... Shut up,
Mc. Symonette. One of Dena's ex -employees attempted to buy this building
prior to bu;iny the building that she is talking about across the street
because olt New Washington Heights, and we understand that what was fix-
ing happen in this development, we won't let those black property owners
sell. Okay? So now, what we're saying......
rl;ru,e ia,:kie, wait a minute. Now you can beat the hell out of him
a:::inc to beat me.
I agree with you, Mr. Plummer.
u,-a.:,cr: ;,'e'Le talking about the Sherman Hotel.
Ms. S:iI : an: That's riah.t.
M6. cell: Tficit'� Y1c�iit.
Ms. llman: And we're not talking about buying it.
Mr. i7 u er: Hc)w did we get to the Riverwalk? We're talking about the Sherman,
r.:.w tu::: to the S:ierman.
Ms. Snillman: Can I add something here, Mayor? I want to make it clear....
Mx. i'iu ner: I interrupted her so let her continue. But I would hope, Jackie,
that you would stick to the Sherman Hotel.
Ms. Bell: Mr. Plummer, the Sherman Hotel is less than 1 block from the River -
walk Development is going to take place. That's what we said and that's what
was the reference to the river
Mr. Pium:•ner: Okay.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, are you finished with your statement now?
Ms. Bell: We just would like that these black property owners that are in
those areas when we apply for the dollars to be given the same opportunity
as anybody else and that is what we're asking for.
i,4,Cir I'tYte: That is a just request, there is absolutely nobody that could
argue with that request honestly.
' ^rr-. 1-tiyur, let me say one other thing. When we went to Housing
urr)a:i Development, when it first was put for demolition and we went
t.-) Lalk to Mal Adams, Mr. Symonette and myself, and Mel Adams said to
us, "We1l, we want to buy this particular piece of property because we want
to assimilate properties for development." I asked him at that point - yes,
si► - 1 asked him at that point if he realized that he was talking about a
midLile f)iece of a piece of property that belonged to a gentleman who owned
t.tite'fourths of the block and he said, "Are you kidding?" And I said, well
wily can't we develop the three -fourths of the block instead of you buying
th-1 miidle? That's why at the HUD's board that the board said no, give the
gentleman the year. So it seems as if that Mr. Symonette don't only own
that piece, he owns other pieces in the Overtown Redevelopment Area. Also
and we are talking about the il an and property owners, Mr. Plummer,
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there is proposed for another piece, another block of Mr. Symonette's prop-
erty that the Community Development staff knows teat we have been attempting
to erect a hotel but they want to buy it away from him for development. So
does this not seem that the property owner is not getting due process? Thank
you.
Mr. Plummer: Jackie, you come back to the microphone. Jackie, I want you to
put on that microphone you've never lied to me. Okay?
Ms. Bell: I don't lie, Mr. Plummer.
Mr. Plummer: I know that. Jackie, have you been by that Sherman Hotel?
Ms. Bell: Yes, sir.
Mr. Plummer: Is it something you're proud of?
Ms. Bell: No, sir.
Mr. Plummer: Thank you.
Ms. Bell: But that's why we've been trying to put together a package to qet
something that we can be proud of.
Mr. Plummer: We're talking about the Sherman Hotel, thhat is the agenda item.
Ms. Bell: That's right.
"Ir. Plummer: I'm not proud of it and you're not prou of it.
Ms. Bell: No, sir.
Mr. Plummer: Okay. That's all. Now, if you want to talk about something else
reschedule the agenda.
Ms. Bell: No, sir, we want to talk about that.
Mr. Gary: Mr.Mayor, I think it is in order for Ms. Spillman to respond to
the problems that they are addressing.
Ms. Spillman: I want to make one thing very clear tc begin with. We are
not proposing to buy Mr. Symonette's property and take it away from him, _
what we are proposing, and this is from the Dade County Unsafe Structures
Board I might add, it isn't just our department as people have been saying;
that the building be demolished with City money. Okay, we pay for the demo-
lition, Mr. Symonette continues to own the property and the engineer states
very clearly in his report he recommends that a new building be constructed
on that site, it is a very valuable piece of property. Mr. Symonette would
be, when the property is sold, at that point in time a lien is placed on
the property, when we tear it down if Mr. Symonette chooses to sell the
property at that point the lien is paid off. So it doesn't cost him any
money at this point and we're not taking his property away. The second thing
I want to say is that I think it was unclearly stated, there are no funds
for multi -family rehabilitation in that particular area. There are no federal
dollars, we have funds set aside for another part of Overtown, it is a very
small amount and we arms working with property owners there. This was all
approved by the C.D. Board so it isn't like we are arbitrarily not funding
something, there are no funds and further the building is not economically
feasible of rehabilitation. There is no way it can be done and without......
Ms. Bell: But, Mr. Mayor, when we applied for it before the fire and after
the fire, before it has been standing here now, we recognize that it isn't
nothing that we want to look at either but it was feasible at that time be-
:r.wr• do have an engineer's report who says it was.
MAyor Furre: All right, Mr. Gary, where are we and what is your recommenda-
tlon?
Mr. Gary: Well, it appears that the building is not feasible for rehab and
even if it was we don't have the moneys to do so. I think what needs to
happen is I need to have a meeting with Ms. Spillman, ALr. Symonette and Mrs.
bell to see if we can understand what the facts are, w,e have to understand
what opportunities we have to assist Mr. Symonette and I think that is the
--_ tc the problem or at least we'll begin to attempt to find some sol-
utions.
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Mayor Ferre: All right, Jackie, let's see if we can do that and then if
we need to come back and address at the next Commission ......
Ms. Bell: Mr. Mayor, I am agreeable to that, we have been trying to be
agreeable all the time. When and where, Mr. Gary?
Mr. Gary: I will have my secretary get in contact with both of you.
Ms. Bell; Thank you, Mr. Mayor and fellow Commissioners.
Rev. Gibson: While we're on that, I would hope, Mr. Symonette understands
that if that building is unsafe, not in the best interest of this community,
Mr. Symonette, I hope you understand we expect to see that building down.
Don't leave out here talking about meeting and then hopina through some
magic it is going to be there. If the building is not safe it's not safe.
Now, with that in mind, Mr. Mayor, I think we need to take some real scrutin-
izing looks at some of these departments, the Building Department, for ins-
tance, I don't understand - I want you to know how I did my do - I don't
understand how on Plaza in the City's 500 block that man runs the biggest
repair shop on 6th Street - automobiles - I've talked about it, I've talked
with the department, the people in the neighborhood continue to complain and
either white folk can't go out in black areas and put him in jail or deliver
s.:i,i,�_�_r.._:s or you ought to put some black folk out there. Now this is the
only way 1 know to do it because I've been polite for months and months and
months and nothing has happened.
Mr. Plummer: You brought that up at budget time.
?. ... You're doggone right. And let me tell you this, Plummer, if
lo: vuL t.,:ure now that man has the biggest operation in the 3500 block
on Plaza and they go out there and shuck and jive. How do I get results,
Mr. ": r? I can't get it as a Commissioner.
tir. luntmer: I'm sure Mr. Gary is going to send us a memo on Monday night
telling us hew he was removed. It's illegal.
F.ev. ;,ibson: That's right. And to tell me you can't find a man is a bunch
of ho-; wash - they're lying.
`.ayor Ferre: In the interest of moving along now, Mr. City !tanager, would
you A.ease solve this problem? And if you cannot solve it administratively
%ou .-gut it on the agenda for the 14th or whenever it is that we meet
in tray, the first meeting and we'll solve it?
'•'.r. Plummer: Are you talking about this problem or Father's
Mayor Ferre: No, we're talking about the problem that Father Gibson has
just....
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I am opposed to telling the City Manager to go
enforce the law.
Mayor 'Ferre: No, sir, you didn't hear me. I said, Mr. Manager, you go solve
the problem.
Mi. Plummer: Oh, Okay.
Mayor Ferre: If you cannot solve the problem administratively then you tell
us why you cannot and then we'll solve it legislatively.
!t:. r'i,r:rer: .... I'll tell him go solve the problem of a violation of the
law periud, ahmen. Don't bring it back to me. Now if he can't enforce the
l.iw s(,mehody eisc maybe can. I want to give him that opportunity by Monday
�' r r.• • .A i l right, is there anything else?
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45 RE,- 'UEST F('R REN-VZING OF Ti%71;CE TciL G __ .--!s
(140 ACT!(-)Z; T,"KEN) -
Mayor Ferre: We're on item 40 on the renaming of Grand Aven,p and the renaming
of 17th Avenue. As you know, 1-ir. Rolle, from the re_c;,-=,,(_,,dat-.on cf the Com-
mission that we have that does these studies it is their that
we not change the name of streets from numbers to any n.me no matter how worthy
they may be. The Chair recognizes you.
NOTE: Mr. 3onathon Rolle made a presentation at
he was too far away from the microphine h 41 :; c o mr, . c n t 7 Lly
1'7
inaudible. fie urged the City Commission to --h,2 Pl,it
ar.,:4 S* rent Committee and renar.-.0 Ave.-.,Lle an'-41 N.A. -�:i AV,_'1,-1t_! 1"'. `,Gnor
Rj ,, . Theodore I dore R. Gibson and Mrs. Athalie Rai-,ge_
All I,, I Mr. ,i City llaii�jer,
-s, owcver, don't think his we ,Q ttilt:'-s :1
h 1 dtA
_at. IYSt iif till, *.ne City Commission POiicy it nimerlcai
quacra:.t for 1';entifyinq strouts. 1
c,, an c., t. w c-, ', i 1 U, be<- ;ito to set a precedent witic"r. �,, t< Pfeil A e s . . . .
system for streets. 'Furthermore, i-- w
tc thosu businesses located alc,ng those st reers havu
chxue their telei.hone listings, their stationary ,in,: t i a -A v e - s
im,)ortantly, the confusion that would ex:.st cis the result of
.,-,an,,,2s for our a;.j Rizscue. Therefore, the adi-,iini s- rat --on's
t:at 1L.%is reaue.,.it be denied anc. that we find other ways to re,,:Ggnize
lai_, I -� -
r r r
well lt3 'ike to point out, and i -,A-. iil. i� i: thaw,3 tct-
1%, i_n�,ze the of narning z-.'laces for imijcrl_ant I.-1'_a,.:'1'. lk3akders,
-'-t,re i park whicr -s pro --ably one of the hest a.-,ci We
"4LI%'e that we've named after Theodore Gibson. SO it isn't t Theodore
ha3 (jone u_rLc I Z Cer
tainly by this Cor
s-
poin-,
t'at 1C, my knowled��:e this is the very first tiz-, t*-�cit any --ity of Miani
�i J ri ..... know that, I want tc maKe that poi:t in :i mG)ment. This
is '.,,t2 very first ti.mc that any City Commission has one of their
c,w;, wale that individual is still sitting 7,r, the Co=,iss.on,, and i -�,ake no
for it, I think that is very appropriate, was :one. W,2 reco(-;-
n; :: o r hinsor, by nar,rig a very ;.-.T.pk)r,,-.ant park nrcc-stely not .,Do far
W'.,ert: born. Now, as i:ar s .'r
'S LISO an Athalie Range Park and I think we have rot 3,j,,in ignore,_' Athal IV
Now I want to mention to you at tnc ririskIn the. unity upset that we have already ii-, my :-,ade -,ome possible
;nlstukes when we renamed part of 13th Street - that's and we have
naj incidents of confused addresses on emergency calls. God fort -id that
would be responsible for an emergency call for Fire, Poll:e or Rescue where
tY.vre would be a misunderstanding as to what place you were talking about.
So 1 don't think we should, we have a policy, as I ui.�urstand it, Father
J. L. Plummer and the other member,, of Lht- Cor slo that we
Sh6uld maintain that policy and that is the reco=endatlon of the Plat and
Street Committee. Is there any further discussion by members of the Com-
P i Yes, sir, reverend.
,d-ssion To the c:ont.rjry?
i,llu: it has buen stated that :fit the time t1_1L ClC'-_
:kbout the park 1141 Al D "I 5—'E T.-.ey're
rnil-h a petit-icn they're requesting that his name: be placed on Gran-`
A v e;.,,l e not the park (11; %'ED I B LE )
:-,..111 All right, reverend, thank you very m,-c*-, fir your
Father Gibson, if you want to add anything, or J. L. Pl-L.Lrr,;ner?
I-',r. . I'lummer: Mr. Mayor, not on that particular sub3ect-
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t�ht.s �'otnmassiot ran . o �'dver`�=no ,it doesn't concern you
rah tto, 1�rrtgh't froy'm nr iti Noah pt;esentation . Mr.
y� tof�c 14' �rilti��t �►n�3 l��r Barg, � to
I beg of YOU
a rOr"� that this City can re
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feel but
I'm
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just getting to a point where I'm sick and tired of hearing all these
complaints back and forth. Mrs. Virrick doesn't do this, the administra-
tion doesn't do that and Coconut Grove doesn't do that and back and forth.
Now I know that there are a lot of feelings involved in this, I don't want
to get into a personality clash but somehow someplace we've got to find a
solution. What I have recommended is that we establish a system wherein
we can help Coconut Grove Cares, Coconut Grove Cares takes over that boxing
program down there in the Coconut Grove Gym, we help them financially to
do it, they're going to have to since new new Reagan Administration's theme
song now is volunteerism and the private sector doing their own thing fine,
then you get the volunteer time, you raise money, you do whatever you have
to, you match us on a 50-50 basis and we will have to oversee the program
to make sure that you're properly running it, that it conforms to all the
standards. But this is basically what this memorandum says and Mrs.Virrick
I'll recognize you to say anything you want.
Mrs. Elizabeth 'Virrick: Mr. "iayor and Commissioners, I have with me a
member of our Board, Mr. Jacob Kreick and I have also one of the AA offic-
ials, Mr. Jack Kreick would like to''speaK briefly to this problem
and then I will speak later.
Mayor Ferre: All right, who was the first speaker?
Mr. Jacob Kreick: My name is Jacob Kreick, I'm a resident of Coral Gables
and I've been on the Board of Directors of Coconut Grove Cares for at least
15 years. I was also the director of the s•mmer camp that we ran here in
Coconut Grove during the last 60's very successfully as an adventure of
Coconut Grove Cares. I want to assure the Commission as a Board member
that we have a board that is representative of the community, a board that
is interested in all the affairs, it has lived up -to its name of Coconut
Grove Cares and this board has assured Mrs. Virrick , our Executive Director
that it will stand behind Mrs. Virrick in our eff:rts to actually operate
the boxing program for the community. We see this as a tremendous opportun-
ity to use more volunteers ............... As an organization Coconut
Grove has demonstrated as an organization that it is responsible financially,
socially, we are creating for the City at least 75-$90,000, I do not have
the exact figures, annually in rentals that we pay for the Coconut Grove
Exhibition Hall for the Fine Arts Antique Show. We would operate
the gym and the boxing program for all of the youth of the community in the
same fiscally responsible manner. We would like this opportunity to show
you that the citizens can do a tremendous job with the youth to keep them
off the streest, give them something to feel good about and other activit-
ies could be built upon this kind of thing.
Mayor Ferre: All right, next?
Mr. John Carey: John Carey.... Coconut Grove Cares.... not only for the
benefit really of both the youngsters .........
Mayor Ferre: I'm sorry, sir, I just don't want to get into a situation
where on the record here we're accusing people who are interested in
professional boxing of being dishonest. I don't want to be any part of
that. I think the point is this, that professional boxing and amateur
boxing don't mix. Is that right?
Mr. Carey: That's right.
Mayor Ferre: Let's just leave it at that.
Mr. Carey: (INAUDIBLE) We have never gotten any cooperation from youth
programs or boxers that come from other cities such as Ft. Lauderdale,
hnllvwond. Lauderhill. Anv time we ask for boxers these other cities.......
*hn>>- —noram for their youngsters there's always an excuse - we can't
get a bus, we can't get this......... the first time in many years the
LAU officials put on hearings.... and they would be 100% for volunteering
and bringing forward any talents..... used for many other opportunit-
ies for young people, development.... (INAUDIBLE)
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Mayor Ferre: ...All right, Mr. Manager, from the administration?
Elizabeth, let's get a response from the administration.
Mr. Gary: Mr. Mayor, I think your proposal is probably the move in the
right direction in terms of trying to come up with some solutions to
the problems we've had over the year. What I'd like to do is to take
a proposal, sit down with our Leisure Services Director and Mrs.
Virrick to see if we can come up with either this proposal or something
that will be workable and
Mayor Ferre: All right, now, Howard, if you remember the thrust of my...
of what I'm trying to say is I don't know of another organization tht
has a longer and better track record of involvement than Coconut Grove
Cares. But there are other organizations. Now for example, the other
day, as you know, the Shenendoah group came in here okay, and they wanted,
and I was some kinds walking around with some placards that said
"Save our swimming programs this summer". Now, I've already talked to
several members in the Cuban -American community. For example, the
people that are, family who are involved in the
Clinica Cubana, and they're very...one of the sons is very super active
in softball. Okay? Now, I think that if this works, now follow me, if
this works, one of the ways in which we can safeguard and improve our
youth programs and our parks is by getting ... by us putting up some
money, letting the civic organizations match us, either in volunteer
time or money. Let them go out and raise some money. We put up
$50,000, let them raise 50,000, or let them raise 50,000 worth of
volunteer time. And I think we can greatly extend some of our programs.
Now, it may not work everywhere. It may work in Coconut Grove, and it
may not work in Culmer-Overtown. It may work in Allapattah and it may
not work in Little Havana. I don't know. We're going to have to try
it on a step by step basis. But I'm almost certain that with regards
to Elizabeth Virrick Gym. And if we turn it over to Coconut Grove
Cares, and give them financial support, set up a system in which we
can control them and that they can meet minimum standards, that the
department will make sure, and over see and make them fiscally responsible
with audits, so that the money is not misspent. I don't think we can
go wrong.
Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Mayor, I'm ready to make a motion.
Mayor Ferre: Go ahead.
INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENT PLACED OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Mayor Ferre: I want to say something to the 3 men that are accompanying
Mrs. Virrick here. I know your heart is in the right place, and are a
lot of people with Mrs. Virrick to help her. But I often see
Mrs. Virrick very alone. Now, Mrs. Virrick is one very courageous
tough lady and I don't think that, you know, she's like Mr. Ball, whe
may be up in years, but I'll tell you, she's got more fight, and she's
got more up here going for her than people that are half of her age.
But she is a human being. And my only concern is that Mrs. Virrick cannot
do this alone. We have to support here, so you know...I don't want to
get into...
(INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENT PLACED OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC RECCRD)
Mayor Ferre: ...listen, we don't have time now.
Mr. John Carey: She has all the help and cooperation that she's ever
going to need.
Mayor Ferre: Well, I have questions about that, okay?
Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Mayor, I'd like to move that we turn the Elizabeth
Virrick Gym over to the Coconut Grove Cares and support the community
organization in the proper recreational use of the building, including
but not limited to boxing activities, and to instruct the City
Manager to work with this community organization and Leisure Department
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Mr. Lat._asa (cont -1; nued) as t c, e s t al i 1 31 , I-, t. I -: e T I, t �,- U I'L T-I C' C L'.-' ;;I T 0
insure that the City has adequaLk- j).lrt. i C 1:j)L'L l' 00 !It tl.,: roj t2C t
Mr. Plurxi,er. Yor a period of one year.
Mr. Lacasa: For a period of one year.
Mavor Ferre: is tho-,rc a second to t1i;iL ::-lozic)n"
Mr. Plu-mmer: T"Ll second it for pur,,)OFes oi
Mayor Ferre: _,.'nder discussion. Go
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The following motion was introdu(pd by commissioner lacasa, whk,
moved its adoption:
M-TION NO. 81-iA%
A 1-101*10- !,,ILCITN(: 10 111Y NANAhn, ;w
NECESSARA AGREEWNTS To TURF OVE; fh:
VIRRTCK GYM" TO ThE (AWW'I KNOVF ( , " �:i K :i)
FACILITATE EXPANDING RECKFAYinNAL Yoh
BUILUING, nUT NO! 1017ED TO, WI
AND FURTHER S11PULATiNG THF Wxnwim-,
I ) ESTABI ISHMENT OF A FUCI 1(1NAL ANO , A, :V Q
AND 2) ESTABLISHMEN1 OF AN AUDIfiNn KIiN o,Q
PHYSICALLY AND PROGRAMMATICAJAY; AW A40�i
MENT OF A REQUIREWT THAT WEATEW �Qbj
IN THE UPKEEP of ?Rn"FAM AS? id VF 7W nk; 1P ;A u
FOR DOLLAR WITH VOWTELE Wn IVA% n, , a, u
BE PROPERLY ACCOUNTED FOR AND PER Iill ItA JY :PCC--
AUDITED.
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I'd by the f o 1 1,vi n, wc z c:
o"e I j. 1 . y I r.
.-rcu-Movur Mv.) lhuodore
Mavor Suricu A. ruirt.
An>WT: Counisbioner .fir.,"' uo Lacasa
Commissioner Ace Carnllo
]TEA: :AEWTADIfWZY[SIO" SKIA�.l
FINDING BY CI1Y ATTORNEY OF EXISTING CONii-ICI OF INIEREST.
Mayor F,r-u: All right, we're now on item a.,uvr "A" and_
(INAUDIBLE BACK6WICNE) CONMENI PlAthr, ;k :S;,j 6p ink pzb�jC Rqo&Ul,
Mayor Fein. All YIAL, Mi. 0,Vbtcj,, Qu rn,
!n. Wharo Wrs;cj.: 5"W '01, 4:. t ht
CnWssion. Aj,LL.d Z. SlIcci
I ,-e 'Zis wr repuit to
1 &;arcing SedesCIPL.
"nj their bid..!
Wor Ferro: Mr. City M:mn,cr, 11,...1i,ur"oW on Will
"A" which is discussio" nna policy lvgaydjw� There's a
umm,randuw IrEm the -Winisriation, sinncd bv ?�occr W. Parkins
. in 1,1011n to this itpm. kould y,m now G�Vch- Lhe Woe.
Mayor, I wnul" Wc Mr. o,,, c.nrkj,,4
1PY"L1Y i, this Pr"WL to give a PICSVOLM
Mr. Rob Parkins:
Mr. Mayor,
Commissioners, on Apyii
8th, the
City
-1-ini-triti"n met
with reps vsuntatives
of Suays,,Pv
of Miami,
in
vssv"ce to Lty and
reach a cri
elusion uu
that had
0,,,,
at a stalemate
at that
point, Wv focused in
on 4 specifi,
Ito first
issuc was
one of the principle. involved
in
with
and the
fact that
that principle wa6 also
a member
of the
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Mr. Parkins (continued): Civil Service heard of the City of
and the question to which a conflict of interest F•xisted. iilc secon�
was with financial capability of the firm, and the ii:;ility to de ;�nstrate
a reasonable expectation that the firm would meet its obligation to the
City. The third was Seaescapes proposed heliport design, and
operation activities, together with the method by which the City might
be compensated for helicopter time. And the fourth was Seaesca;:es
desire to reduce percentages of compensation to the City for concessions
that they had, pursuant to an agreement they had entered into with
Marine Stadium Enterprises, Incorporated. Follewi,., ti—it r.eetinb, we.
ultimately resolved on the following points of impacts. Seaescape did
provide a letter and a copy of stock transfer which divested the
individual who may have had a conflict of interest witin any interest
in Seaescape, as my letter of April 17th indicated, the ultimate
resolution of that conflict of interest issue, however, we woulu leave
with the City Attorney of the Commission. The financial statements seem,
to be satisfactory for meeting financial capability. The issue of
the heliport and the helicopter services primarily rested on the
question of whether we would require free helicopter time for the use
of the police at that facility. And the fourth issue, the desire to
reduce the percentage of concession sales th.az they nbscr'b 't)y virtue
of their agreement with Marine Stadium Enterpriser was not something
we could resolve in that it was an agreement ticv entercG' into by
themselves. We did include that as an additional itt'm for cunsiderution
by the Commission if you would wish.
Mr. Gerstein: Mr. Mayor, may i address myscif to t;;e ir5t itEri?
Mayor Ferre: Yc_s, sir.
Air. Ger: Lv`n: it iS our -position an., wt: 9tarl
and un uivically t(iat k t o_-- .t----,__ i
e Cdn St:itE tftl l ccni_.c. E'I'c'.�t existed
at the time that sea<'scare entered' into tni:. with .he
City, ;And ail;ithinjj ;licit happened later is V.".pcs, factc .., d Cannot. r:,-,ht.
the wrong that existed. it is clear under the City C'ra rter
Unaudii;li') _ that the City cannot nt: doing business nor
negotiating, with someone who is a member of a Cicv board. That has
been the position of this Commission repeatedy, recently as
(inaudible) _ to reassert that
position. _ (inriudihl .)
Subsequently, Mr. Pantin divested himself of any interest in Seaescape is
ex pose facto following the negotiations _ _
afterwards and it cannot unao the wrong that existed at the time that
he enterc:d into negotiations with the City while he was a member of a
City Board.
Mayor Ferre: Okay. Yes, sir.
Mr. Blaine Davis: Mr. Mayor, Commissioners, Blaine Davis from, Seaescape
of Miami. The correspondence that we received from the City, from
Mr. Parkins, on this matter, and Mr. Pantin, was the first document
that we have received on this subject. There's been some verbalization
on it, we knew there was a problem, but this is the first document.
We were given ... Mr. Pantin was given 3 options. Resignation from the
Civil Service Board, divesting himself of involvement and ownership, or
a waiver by the City Commission through the provision of an affirmative
fortified vote. We selected...
Mr. Plummer: Excuse me. Who offered those ebyrctions?
Mr, lliwis: Thr letter is from Mr. Parkins. NOW, wnere it cri,�;inateu,
1 dkm t know. It's dated March 23.
Mr. Parkins: It's part of the package you have, Commissioner. The
original..,
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Parkins, I'm not finding iLult with you, sir. But I
don't think Mr. Parkins is involved to that c::tcnt, sir. You know,
that's not your problem. I'm speaking intern::lly. i don't know how
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Mr. Plummer (continued): Mr. Parkins, or whoever instructed him or gave
him his authority, has the right to give Mr. Gerstein his right, to
obliterate his conflict of interest.
Mr. Davis: Listen, this is the first we've had it, sir.
Mr. Plummer: I'm not arguing with you. I'm saying, I'm questioning the
authority of the administration to offer an alternate plan, when in fact
the problem is the conflict of interest.
Mayor Ferre: I don't see where this is ... what date was this, the letter?
Mr. Parkins: March 23rd. It refers to...
Mayor Ferre: Well, March 23rd doesn't say that. I
have the March 23rd letter. That's it. Tell me what paragraph.
Mr. Gerstein: Mr. Mayor, we have raised this issue repeatedly at
public meetings before this Commission. I don't care what the date
of that before that,
and I made that point for Mr.
Mayor Ferre: All right. We've heard from both sides of this issue and...
�,r. Davis: Someone has got to tell us if we're incorrect. But we feel
�i :.,c t,e've fulfilled our obligations
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Manor FerrF:. Excuse me, if I digre.,�, ;'or
here on the Planning and 7..-)ning agenda, p;east:)C i:i: that wC t+'lli
not be hearing your items, at least for an hour and a hail.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, may I suggest, so we di;n't have an: s:oof-uo, that
if a stipulated time that these people can be back. Let's set a time
that's agreeabe based on what you said, that at tile earliest it will be
8:30. Is that agreeable with the rest of the Commisson?
Mayor Ferre: And I'll tell you, I think that Commissioner Lacasa also has
a very valid point. Mr. Manager, in the future, if lie makes a motion
I'm going to recognize it and I'm going; to vote with him, that in the
future, that the zoning hearing never be held on the same day that we
have a Commission meeting because this invariably happens.
Mr. Plummer: No, sir. Because what you're going to do is you're going,
to stretch out 3 days of meetings. I've been around and so have you.
Mr. Lacasa: J. L., I am not going to make a notion if...
Mayor Ferre: Well, let's not argue.
Mr. Lacasa: Okay. Let's leave it for later.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Mr. Gerstein, we're back to you, sir.
Mr. Gerstein: Well, I reiterate the point that we have been making,
in excess of 6 months.
Mr. Davis: Well, who are we ... I don't understan,� who ary we, at this
point.
Mayor Ferre: He's the attorney that represents one of the companies
involved in this.
Mr. Gerstein: I'm representing Marine Stadium, ':::terprises. We have =
repeatedly made the point before this Commission...
Mr. Davis: For what purpose' I don't understand what your point is.
Mr. Gerstein: For the purpose of enforcing the Charter...
Mr. Piu=..,r, Excuse me. Who is running this meeting? Is the Mayor, o �
is this just a public debate that we're invited to.
Mayor Ferre: I'm trying to run the Greeting but if you don't argue
with one of the members of the Commission...
Mr. Plummer: I'll reserve that right.
Mayor Ferre: Okay. But I mean, at the appropriate time. You're asking
me who is running the meeting and it's me. Now, keep quiet. Continue.
Continue Mr....
Mr. Davis: Let me make ... I'll make a statement os brief as possibiv.
We have: been into what I feel a satisfactory lease negotiations with
the City. We were asked to answer certain questions, come up with
documents which we feel we have fulfilled. Now, at this point, if
ti"r. Gerstein is going to get up here anC' raise some kind of a
challenge or technical point, we're not prepared to get into that now,
and 1 don't think we should be drawn into it since we came here in good
faith and were told that there were 4 items that th u administration
was going to present to the Commission for some guidance. Is this not
correct? Mr. Parkins?
Mr. Parkins: Yes, I indicated to you t}:at wa has these: 4 itemb, one
of which we felt was reasonably resolved, the c-c,er 3 of which
required Commission consideration and action.
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Mr. Davis: And we understood that the matter of the conflict with
Mr. Pantin had been left with the City Attorney to resolve. Why is it
coming from this side? That's what I don't understand. We need some
help on that.
Mr. Plummer: originally, that's why.
Mr. Davis: I beg your pardon.
Mr. Plummer: He was the one that raised the request originally.
Father Gibson: Mr. Mayor, members of the Commission, I wouldn't stand
here and let you all have to fight it out. The buck stops with this
guy. Sir, you've heard me say this before and I'm going to reiterate
it. I want you to mark this on your calender. Theodore Gibson went
to law school. I don't look like it, but I did for a day. When this
matter was presented, when we were debating about contracts, this
man raised a question. And you know, you could be a fool and not
listen and end up going to jail. I don't plan to go to jail. I don't
plan to go to jail. And I don't plan to have my integrity questioned.
The man raised the question when we were bidding these contracts as to
whether or not Seaescape had a right, under the law, to be bidding. I
said to the Commission, Dick Gerstein is no damn fool. Dick Gerstein is
smart enough to let us get in it, and then do it to its if need he.
okay? The administration knew, you knew, or if you didn't know, you
had a lawyer here. You should have known. I warned the .idminist ration.
I even wrote a memorandum and didn't send it out. I said, I Cannot
in Ctuod conscience know that the law sass that if vot; are on the l.itv's
payroll you do not have the right to do business with the Cit•;. And
sir, for your information, the thing; on the neiggliborhood businoss I
}-urposefully help push it that talked about conflict of intercz
nepotism. They thought they were doing somethifit, to those 1,-or old u1;�ck
falk out there who didn't have anything;. And I said, beautiful . E:ecid
the record. Either 1 made the motion to pass it or I secon6c2d it. L,cauS�
I knew that once you talked about conflict of interest in the neigkhCrhood
committee, I said, well now if you could talk al--ut conflict of interest
in the neighborhood committee, cetainly you ought to be able to
talk about conflict of interest in a contract which means thousands
and thousands and thousands of dollars. In the neighborhood business
you're reaching at straws. At that time, I put this administration
on F;uard. And for weeks and weeks and weeks they kept pussy -footing;
around. Okay. Let me go a step further. They wanted to bring; it u
last meeting You were up in Fort Lauderdale or something and you wore
not properly notified. Ask them what I told them. Not to bring; it up
last time. but to make doggone sure that all parties involved woula ne
notified and not come here to dicuss it. I want to make sure you
hear me, not come here to discuss it, but to in addition to discussing
it, to resolve the matter. Adhere to the law. Now, that's his
responsibility. tie's a lawyer. That's what we pay him big money, fat
money for. And I want this thing; resolved tonight. I refuse to
tolerate this kind of shenanigans as a Commissioner. I know better,
better is expected of me. That's why this is up here today. Okay.
Now you ask any question you wanted.
Mr. Davis: How did you vote, Reverend Gibson, on the bid proposal
on Seaescape.
Father Gibson: How did I vote?
Mr. Davis: Yes, sir.
Father Gibson: 1 don't remember how I voted, but I'll tell you this.
Wlien I discovered what had happened, you are a fool to keep on going; the
way you're going. When I found out that that was illegal ... you don't
havr to take me to court and put me in jail because it's illegal.
Do you know what I do? I do the right thing. That' what 1 do. raid
look, ask the attorney. And I'm shocked and amazed that we're going;
to give an alternative having a conference to settle this matter. You
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Father Gibson (continued): don't need any ccr.ferncThe law is
buddy, you can't bid on this thing. And this is wn.it's behind the
law, as long as you're bidding, and you're on the a:yroil, it's
assumed that you have some perferential treat-ment advanta:;c that the
other man doesn't have. I say to you,I want it resolves: tonight.
That's what I want. That's what 1 came here for. I'm a sick man and
I came in the midst of my sickness so I could vote to get that off.
Right is right. Right doesn't wrong anybody. Now you asked the
Attorney. He is the authority on law and lie can't tell me that
cock-n-bull story about you have one or two outs. There is no one or
two outs. T:iere's only one and the out is he must drop out. And the
law is the contract goes to the next successful bidder. That's what
it is and let's deal with it tonight that way, po6itively and stop
pussy -footing around here and mealy-mouthinc about the ;utter. That's
how that came up. Dick Gerstein didn't brims it up, he just warnud
us when we were doing it.
_ Mr. Davis: Reverend Gibson, I think : af;ree witn sir, but iet r,e
make one point, please. The first document. that received instructin,
us to take so -me action on Mr. Pantin, is dated Xr:rc„ 2-3rd of this year.
Mr. Parkins: I have to interrupt there and point c-,,t, remind `;r. DiS
that there was a notification to him arounc December loth on this issue.
Davis: l.t ma`; have been a pcsitlon, `U C as,: us tG
take any �iCti0n. I don't ha'.'e tCte C:OcuII.ent 1-ier(' a be 6.au to 1c,Ok
at it. becaLise if it had asked us for action, wu would have taken it.
Mr. Gerstein: :la I make zi ;point, *;r. `savor:
Mr. Davis: just jive me just a-inutc, now. l'm not suite finishe:i.
That was `larch 23rd we received our instructions, and action was take
on it on April 13tn. That's the fastest that we could act.
Mr. Gerstein: Mr. Mayor, subsequent resignation cvu.iu nc!;ate the
conflict Ct interest then that would make the Cc'i:.:ict provision anuilcd
he. ause you would have constantly lave conflit t� of peepie coins;
business with the City who are prohibited, and then suhsequentiy they
would resign. So the whole provision would be anulled.
Mayor Ferre: Let's get this thing resolved. I'm sorry Mr. Gerstein,
and I'm sorry to you, sir. I'^ going to pay attention r"o my City
Attorney. Now, Mr. City Attorney, you give me the law
Mr. Knox: Concisely Mr. Mayor, tliv City ...t4crney1s Office has concluded
that there does exist a conflict of interest by virtue of Mr. Pantin's
appearance before the City Commission on behalf of the corporation of
which he was a part of the time.
Mayor Ferre: Does that invalidate their...
Mr. Knox: That makes every transaction voidable under the law.
Mayor Ferre: All right, then I'll tell you, as far as ... 1 don't know
about anybody else, I'm going by the ruling of the City Attorney.
That's i t . Now anybody wants to make a
Mr. Davis: Excuse me just a minute. If 1 think I'm readi^.d this
^1.,v„r Ferrc: Go ahead.
Mr. Davis: If 1 any, I'd like to res,uest that wr bc given r- ilme to
take this back to the Waterfront Heard which is Lhe onv... thtc first
official body that we appeared before, and they rules a-0 in our favor.
They are aware of Mr. Pantin, and it starter =iriht '',.ac.c there.
And we'd like to have an opportunity to take _t b.:cri and discuss this
with them before it proceeds because:...
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Mayor Ferre: Sir, I don't think you understood...I can't speak for
anybody else but me. I've asked the City Attorney now to give me a
ruling as to whether or not your bid can be construed as being illegal,
challenged according to our Charter. Not because Mr. Gerstein says
it, or anybody else but because that's what the Charter says according
to our City Attorney.
Mr. Davis: Mr. Mayor...
Mayor Ferre: I'm just giving you...
Mr. Davis: We followed our...
Mayor Ferre: ...That is my...
Mr. Davis: ...instructions from the City precisely. We reacted in I
think a reasonable time, and we've been acting in good faith. If you're
telling me that we're at the point of voiding our deal, then we have
a problem then. I anticipate coming here.
Mayor Ferre: I am. I am telling you that exactly, and I want to
reiterate it, and I want to make sure that Mr. Knox understands because
obviously you're going to challenge this, and I want him to be able to
defend us in court.
Mr. Davis: Why are we hearing this on this date when the dicussions
on this suhject have gone back over the last couple of months.
Xa•; or Ferre: Mr. Knox.
Mr. Knox: Yes, sir. The reason that the matter is before the City
Commission is because the Law Department advised the management of the
City that there was a decision which had to be made by the City
Commission. As I indicated, in a transaction which represents a conflict
of interest is voidable. What that means is that the City Commission
alone has the option to either declaring that transaction void by its
vote, or by waiving the conflict of interest which does exist by a
vote. Such that because the option was available to the Cite
Commission, it is the one that may make a determination as to whether
or not it would declare this contract void, or waive the conflict of
interest. And I can add also in terms of the reason why the
negotiations proceeded, again, on the advice of the City Attorney's
Office, the management suggested... the management was advised that
ber«use the ... we had no way of predicting how the City Commission would
respond to the conflict of interest, that the ordinary proceedings
should continue, however, advising Seaescape that the problem of
conflict of interest did exist. And all of the correspondence
that has been directed to Seaescape indicate a caution relative to the
existence of this conflict of interest.
Father Gibson: Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Father Gibson.
Father Gibson: Go right on, I want to be very polite to you but I'm
going to be very positive. Go right on.
Mr. Davis: We were asked to appear here today to discuss 4 items that
h•' barn previously discussed in lease negotiations. And we're dowTi
. ,.. _: ,:�u that I'm beginning to understand is very critical for us.
We felt that this was the Committee of the Whole, is that correct?
Mr. Plummer: Yeah it is.
"IT-. 1)74.1s : And decisoos, votes can be made at this point? We don't
have legal representation here. We didnt' know it was coming down
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Mr. Plummer: Well, you know, I've kept my mouth shut but at this point,
somebody has got to stop this thing because we're going around in
circles. The answer is yes, we cannot make a decision. But the decision
basically has already been made by the City Attorney. That's not going
to be made by this Commission. Now, the City Attorney has ruled that
there was a conflict of interest, and then the next ruling the City
Attorney,or the administration has got to make, do we throw out the
bids, do we alter them? And I'm waiting to hear about that, and I'm
sure it's going to be scheduled, Mr. Davis. And at such time it comes
back before this Commission, you will have the opportunity. You will
have the opportunity with your counsel to challenge it in court. But at
this point, there is no more dicussion. As far as I'm concerned, this
man has ruled, unless somebody wants to take it on their own and
challenge of the lawyer. He's rules there was existing at the time, a
conflict of interest. That's it.
Mr. Davis: May we have an opportunity to challenge that point, at
least have our counsel.
'ir. Plummer: Sure.
Mr. Davis: Look, we've been dealing with this for t years. It was our
group that started all this, the whole plan for the stadium. negotiations
have been going on...
Mr. Plummer: I understand. Mr. Davis, you have every right: in the
world to challenge it, sir.
Mr. Davis: Are you tel.lii)g me you're not goint; to voia our arrangement
-with the City, the negotiations, tonii:i:t?
Xr. Plummer: That's been done, sir, !:y the rulinti of the Gity Attorney.
Now, what you would have to do, as I unuerStanu it, to get your counsel
to convince Mr. Knox he is wrong. If you're counsel cannot do that, sir,
then your relief is in the courts.
Father Gibson: And I promise you that Theodore Gibson...
Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, Father. Am I wrong, Mr. Knox?
Mr. Knox: There is an action. The City Commission would have to
formally declare the transaction void if you chose to...
Mr. Plummer: But we can't do it under the Coxr:,ittee of the Whole;
Mr. Knox: Right.
Mr. Davis: That's all I ask.
Father Gibson: All right, tell me...wait a minute. We don't have to
go out here with all that shucking and jiving and all that stuff.
Counsel, when can we do it? Counsel, when can we do it so this man will
know,,because I'm ready to offer the motion?
Mr. Plummer: We'll do it on the 14th.
Father Gibson: On the 14th.
1'erre: bait. Can we make ... because this is the 3rd time this
has come up. I cannot be here on the 14th. Can we make the i5th?
Air. Plummer: The next agenda.
Mavor Ferre: The next agenda. Okay.
Father C,ibson: All right,sir, so that nobody woulu come here Cr. ti:e
next agenda which will be the 15th not prepared Lnd not knowing...
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Mayor Ferre: That's a scheduled item on the regular agenda.
Father Gibson: I want..I am instructing; the Manager to make sure this;
is an agenda item for the purpose of not only discussing. but for the
purpose of resolving. Now, resolving means you do what is necessary.
You may bring your lawyers, you may not. That's your problem.
Mayor Ferre: I would like to go beyond that. I would like Mr. Manager,
for you to come back, Howard, with a recommendation based on the
legal interpretation Mr. Knox has now given. Okay? Unless he changes
it between now and the next meeting. What your specific recommendation
is as to hew we proceed on this matter. Okay? Based on his legal
interpretation. All right, now. Is there anything; else to be discussed
on this agenda item? If not, ladies and gentlemen, thank you.
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(�AiLaGi.
Vivur Ferro: We're now on item number lb this a illaij l item,
`..1ki, .
Xr. 1.•rimm: Mr. Kauffman.
Navor l v re : Mr. Kauffman, can you do this very n ickiv Y" . ,. . npp,.
.an% resoiution here' of any kind, do you? Well what is It vo . want W
to U01 no ahead, Mr. Kauffman.
A. Xorri F,uf fman: Mr. Mayor, I::e1I&rh e the l.om ..,user, ivnight wu' . I' •
to in. ns s LhP new design of the DowntoWn Government Ovate. r
.. > m; structure. In the last meeting; on March 27th, the Commission
ex :essed...
Xnyor Ferre: All right, ladies and gentlemen. If we can 4et a
.:tm`nor of the Police Department to put some order back there. Those
vol. th;it want to talk can go outside and do all the talking you want.
is y�:'re in t 1. DU chambers, I expect for you to respect these.
chambers. Now, continue.
`tr. Kauffman: I'm sorry. On February 26th, thv design concept of the
yaraAc was approved by the Commission. However, there was a concern
raised by the Commission as to the commercial space. Since that time,
we're• redesigned the building;, and we wish to present it to you. I'm
going to turn the meeting over co Mr. George McDonald who is the designer
for Wilbur Smith associates, and he'll run right through the
building;..
Mr— C.McDonald The ... north is up in this cLse, and this is the
mAp of the Government Center with I-95 to the west. We anticipate
considerable amount of pedestrian traffic when the Government. Center
is built out, between the municipal administration building, and the
-!+ural center.
":,v"z Ferre: Sir, I don't mean to interrupt you because : know
•;,,u'vv been waiting a long time and this is an important agenda it,n.
l! you could ... I don't, frankly, J. L., 1 don't...the main hangup that
wr all had was the use of the commercial space.
`"r. Plummer: If it will help you, Mr. Mayor, 1 havt svon tL, plans, It
""at 1 griped about. They have corrected th m T'm WC1 . 0i
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Mayor Ferre: Okay. So, just make it a 2 minute presentation. Show us
the rest of the model and we'll let you go.
Mr. Mac Donald: All right, sir. We're at the first floor level
with arcade...these are the closed commercial space, parking entry from
the north.
Mayor Ferre: Okay. Let's look at the rest of the model.
Mr. Mac Donald: The second level with commercial space on the south
side, more parking. Then, the 4 additional layers, plus the roof of
parking.
Mayor Ferre: That looks fine to me. All right, any questions of the
presentation. That's the roof. Put the roof on.
Mr. Mac Donald: If additional parking is required, phase II could be
the addition of t more floors...
Mayor Ferre: Fine. And you're recommending that we put the foundations
to do that at the beginning?
Mr. Mac Donald: Yes, sir. Also, we would recorunend, if you have an
additional 2 floors, which would take you above 1,200 cars, that an
onist only ramp is added. You've got the space for it...
Mayor Ferre: Any questions of the presentation?
`ir. Kauffman: Mr. :Mayor, it would be 1 think appropriate for the
Commission to express their desire.
a *iayor Ferre: All right, is there a motion now of approval of this in
concept.
Mr. Plummer: Yes.
Mr. Lacasa: Move.
Mayor Ferre: Moved by Plummer and seconded by Lacasa. Further discussion?
Call the roll.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-354
A MOTION APPROVING IN CONCEPT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAT:
FOR THE DOWNTOWN GOVERNMENT CENTER GARAGE, AS
PRESENTED BY THE ADMINISTRATION ON THIS SAME DATE
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES. Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
None
AnSLNI: Commissioner Joe Carollo
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50. UONOMIC DEVELOP'.EI�T ADJUST".[I:vT PLAti BY 1ANUS ASSl1CJXTII'S
Mavor Ferre: All right, we're now on item number "['.", Janus As�(-,ciatcs.
Mr. Reid.
Mr. Jim Reid: Mr. Mayor and members of the Co-,;:ission, :,fter t'ne civil
disturbances last May, the Federal government provided us $100,000 to
prepare an economic adjustment plan. We contracted for the preparation
of that plan with a Washington, D.C. based firm, Jant,s Associates, that
has an impressive track record in terms of working, with inner -cite and
p-)or rural communities. That group affiliated with the nationally known
Economic consultants, Hammer, George, an.: local people such
as Bill Wynn, Dr. Hollis Price of the University of Miami, and Johnny
Simmons. They're now at a point in their work where they need to share
ideas with members of the community, including this Commission, the
business community, and the community at large so t};a; they can come
}.l k to us in mid -?tag• with their final report. tie halve a short presentation
(,,lt in which we wanted to get feedback. There is a draft final
r,,p, rt that has been prepared that is an inC's:i:�lltti' u��cu-relent. !.':� dire
?:i meml-er of the Commission wishes to see that, we'd be happy to
It. available.
X-Ivc,r Ferre: Yes, I would like to see the hrepar,-d docu--vnt .
Certainly.
Ferry: 71.l7llld you. make a copy availably t(; Gl,; Cs! i;.,t' t0tC:, (-rk)W
rn41,4
X;a-cr Ferre: As a :natter of fact, you're talking about the Jallu�
report new?
Y That's correct.
.:,Vol Fe rrt 1 want to, on the record, teli you that that ... was that
report sent to any member of the Commission previous to being delivered
here?
Mr. Reid: What we have, Mayor, is an incomplete working document.
F:e do not have a full draft report.
Mayor Ferre: There is no document...
Mr. Peid: There is no full draft report. Yes, sir.
May;,r Ferre: Well, Mr. Reid, how long have you had the incomplete
dc,cumcnt?
Mr. Fluid: One day.
�'' t�•ri. : One day. Now, I happen to have rcad :sboilt it ill the
newspapers. And I, frankly, as a member of the C'itV rf F:iar... Commission,
llld tae Mayor of this City, do not feel very comfortable reCL'iving
Ltt,.ul:1euts of thinks that this Commission has paid for, and doing it by
reading it in the newspapers.
Mr. (;rassie: Mr. Mayor, your point is well taken. It won't h.ippen
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Mr. Reid: Mr. Mayor, we did provide with sour packet a summary, the
outline in the report, and of course, in terms of the scheduling of these
meetings we had to meet with the County Commission on Tuesday because
that's when they met, and this is a joint City -County program. I'll
turn it over to Jack Kloster, who is the president of Janus.
Mr. Plummer: Sir, before you start, I see a lot of people. I hope anyone
that is here for the Zoning agenda should be aware of an announcement
earlier that the earliest time that we will take up any zoning matters
is 8:30. That's one hour from now. So if you want to So out and have
a cup of coffee, walk around the Grove, you know that you've got an
hour. So, I just think you ought to know that so you don't get sitting
sores.
51. DISCUSSI01�: FATAL SHOOTI,:i, OF :1R. ALBERTli
RE -QUEST FOR POLICE CHIEF TO APPLA.t� LATER I;.
FEET I �+G
Mnvor Ferre: Excuse me for a moment, sir. Evidently there has been
another shooting in this City and a mar, has been killed, or shot. I'm
talking about Sarmiento.
Mr. Plummer: That's not confirmed.
- :•Mayor Ferre: Well, somebody just told me and came up a<nd said..lwell,
= I don't know whether the man has died. Has he died'. k11at we ilear
is ... now, this is not Dodge City and we cannot live in a City where
- people, within one week now this is the second shooting. And 1 uncerstand
there is a report of a third shooting; of an individual on i_4t1h Street.
Mr. Plummer: No, no. Mr. Mayor, that was ... exc.use me, that was a
robbery situation. That was a shooting by the Police Department.
Mayor Ferre: All right. But Mr. Sarmiento evidently was shot today.
kfi ether he's dead or not, I hope the man is not dead, but I'll tell you,
Mr. Manager, I want you to call the Police Chief, and I want that
Police Chief here tonight..,
Mr. Plummer: I just talked to him.
Mayor Ferre: ...because I'll tell you, we have to address this on a
crisis emergency basis. Now, you know, I was bragging about the
ASTA convention that we just got and how this com.nunity cannot
tolerate this kind of a situation, period. I mean, we're going to have
to pull whatever stops have to be pulled. But this just cannot ... this
is just not tolerable. So have the Police Chief here as...you know,
I don't care if it's 9, 10:00 o'clock, whenever. I'm sorry.
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52. CONTIA-UED DISCUSSI0N: ECO,GOIiIC DECELOP;iEoT ADJtSVE;4T PLAT:
BY JAIUS ASSOCIATES
Mr. Jack _Kloster: Thank you, fir. Mayor and Commissioners. I am Jack
Kloster of Janus Associates. In the interest of moving rather rapidly
in this late evening, I will try to hit the highlights .ind recommendations
of the report and leave some of the other items aside for the moment.
Basically, our assignment has been to develop an overall strategic
plan for the development of jobs and black business in the civil
disturbance areas of Miami and Dade County. Our emplovers were the
City and the County. In approaching this job we have course to lo,k at
ti:e overall economy as well as the economy of the civil dist.ru10ance areas.
Clearly there are major disparities between them, and I don't want to
go into that, although the press has exagerated in many rk2sPccts, OUr
analysis. We were really looking for the strengths in the black co.=Linite
upon which we could build. Our first ... there are a number of
recommendations. Too many really to cover in this brief tir..0 trnif:'nt.
But we were interested in 2 kinds of strategies. One strategy wa::
Lc the problems of unmet needs within the black commmunity.
For example, the black community of Miami is severely under serviced
in terms of convenience, goods and sales. I'm speaking: nog.• 01 food s-rvices,
appliance repairs, opportunities that represent entrepenureal
possibilities for retail and service operations. And therefore, many
of our recommendations are geared toward that area. We tried to idenfit"',
such opportunity areas. A second set of recommendations is related to
a different strategy, and that is a strategy that we think is critical.
;he internal thrust and the total thrust of the growth of the Miami
community over the past decade has been fueled by its activities in
the international trade and tourism, and finance. To a major extent,
blacks have not been a part of those sectors of tl:Q economy, either as
emnloyees in siginificant levels and numbers, or as entrepeneurs and
nu:�ness people in significant levels and numbers. For example, and I'll
cite only one, there is only one black travel agency that we were able
to discover in this community. This is a community that is built on
tourism. I would add that we have attempted then to find projects that
will link black employement to the growth sectors of the overall Miami
Dade economy. And on the business development side, we have attempted
to make recommendations that will help black business link more
effectively into the growth sectors of the economy. On the employment
side, we've looked for what are some of the working models. What are
some things that are going on in Miami that can be replicated or
expanded? As an example of that type of thing, we found that Burdines
Department store has a very enviable but small training and employment
program for customized manicurists. It's enviable because it ties
the recruitment of the trainee to a definite job at the end of the liaQ.
It's enviable- too because the retention rate, we don't think these
2 factors a co -incidental, the rentenion rate is quite high in the
program. We recommended that program be replicated by other businesses.
And the personnel administrators of Burdines have indicated their
willingness to assist other business to replicate that program. We feel
that it is very important in the employment sector to address the
issues of youth unemployment. Youth unemployment here is catastrophically
>> hlack youth. And I think a number of our recommendations,
.L,4, auuliq, L;,c development of some youth enterprises that will provide
employment to the youth of the City, the Liberty City area in particular,
have been discussed with City officials and appear to he feasible. I
had a discussion this morning with Mel Adams, for example, about the
possibility of using black youth for some youth enterprises to perform
r c o. t!lc maintenance and security services in public housing here.
And he thinks that that is something that very definitely might be
L::.J:;,inud. This is one of the recommendations on the employment side.
b:c rc,�onimcnd that there be very strong replication and extention in the
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Mr, Kloster (continued): kinds of set asicc• pr^�,riims that the County
and County Manager Steirheim has already impler-,enteci in -lade County
government. We also feel...make reco miendations an to how Jobs,
areas in which there are shortages of labor supp _: ;.it;) be i,icnt if ied
And we identified many in the report, and recc7,.en,1 that 4,ob
training programs be targeted towards those arc k"r.ur12 cherc is a seater
demand for laborers than supply. On the bu5incs;; ?eVei,"�'.ent SICA2 We
also felt our efforts should be to try to link : ,-): t;,e bu�ir.ess
development opportunities for black, in thAS ccr.,:;ul;ity to t;,e overall
thrust of the area. One of the reco:=ennat i on,,, : t)r ..c-it:,; Sig 1`, "hat
blacks should be much more strongly invov1Lt.-,1 ir: il:tt,rn::t_on,ll trace and
commerce sector. And as technique for «c i;.,ve
recommended a number of things including
Trade Fair that I understand that the Co nissicn :,,, :t ;', crirl ier
this morning. Several of the recommend,:tions
represent valid follow-up, and even scme
Fair approach, which we hardily endorse. W,
there be in terms of international trade a.,air., a cn'_ C r t` 11C c, ,)rc::e5 i,mal;v
organized workshop to bring together the
venture capitalists and other resources t1i it ;"'t " ';l,',' et
their businesses in lull gear. And this is a vor.: ;,r c ;st itc:.. L11at
could probably be done with private: sector _ ,il l iC SeCt,,r
money. We reco„miend strongly that the Pantry Price. Site lit 62n.i and
7th Avenue be developed as a combination... as one o two things, in fact.
We did a pre -feasibility StLldt' on this .in,i tnCrc ::rc s� 5.;:�,e �,-•tlonti
One would be as a se -called urban m;irl:ct witI 5::..i._t': .; ,';;;il ,
operation. Say _20,000 square feet than the 010 '6,Ciao sy,-.are feet w;I161
is too large for the kind of urban, setting in wilicn t1I.,C ,,Lore c:;iats,
With the remaining feet being, used as retail :.t._:. C�. :te::
small black businL!bses anti retail opC'11-ation5 c0ui,I ICcuLl., benu 1tLing
from the high traffic that would bt_• o,ene rat ed ) t v f o::e. cgain , We
recommend szroni-,y in industrial -_ark to be situ in ti,•
civil disturbances conlmunitie5, L ;t' bi.:l'ti �t .. ...,•_ I _ .::"� a .a:::ber
of S1ttS Sugt,�sted. Lney Might not �11 be ft;iSl...i .'��'ti,..,�i' 0 i�.:1C C(�.�t,
so we diu'n't want to tie our reco„uuendation to one sit, -
it, s, tti„t it would
then be said t1,is site isn't available, you can', dc, ir. We 'S iegtfst
that a good 'lard look ought to be t;,ken at th.• FC Site at ,ibth and
2nd Avenue, and the Opa Locka Airport as a possible site ;:n�: ;:i. the
area south of 79th Street, and west of 27th, that the Industrial
Development Authority is looking at. But in anv case, such an
industrial park should be a modern, well designed, well implemented
facility in order to be competitive with the other industrial parks
that there re in the County and the• Cl—,,. Tne hir; proble of course,
is land cost. And this would argue, of course, for land that the
City presently handles, or controls, or cwrl:,. But it :%ay be
possible that the City could by some means acquire other land and write
the cost down for the development of the industrial park. I'm going
to finish in just about 2 minutes. The industrial park should have,
We believe, in order to tie again to the international trade and commerce
objective, should be designated as a free trade mane, a non-contiguous
free trade zone, about which we've had discussion with the Miami
free -trade zone people, and if the land cost factor can be overcome, I
think they're amenable to that. There are lots of other suggestion:. In
the interest of time, I'll only mention the last which is that there is
a dire need for venture capital and risk capital wit;iin the black
c.ot::n;unity to encourage the development of black businesses, an:: we
recotnniend therefore, the creation of a venture cad i t it
Mr. Mayes, with your permission, I will stop thi-s sine it is so late,
olld Wvi7 ,)mc questions.
Fcrre: Well, first of all, I have :n apolo,;y t�, make to you,
because unfortunately, I go around criticizirq:, a I.)t 02" people Tor
making judgment about what they read in newspapers, anc then I end up
doing the same thing myself. And then, you know, i thouGht from what
I gathered, from what I've seen, that you :atld •:our report had only
been negative and you had told us all the• b.i;i t'r.in•,.• ;:l;d al. t11e
problems and hadn't come up with any positive And
that was just a misreading on my part. So i ::t;c:iog .Ze to you for tl,c
mistaken notion that 1 had. And secondly, 1 would like for you, not
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Mayor Ferre (continued): now, but before mid -May when you evidently have
scheduled to finish your report. I'm sure you'll back in the community,
either you or one of your associates, whomever, I'd like to meet with
you and go over this in more detail because, frankly, after 12 hours
of sitting here the attention span of anybody doesn't go that far, and I'd
really go one on one with you and ask you questions and have a little
dialogue on it.
Mr. Kloster: I'd be delighted.
Mayor Ferre: This is not the time.
Mr. Kloster: Any time that's convenient, sir, to you.
Mayor Ferre: So would you, throuh Mr. Reid, schedule a proper time,
or Mr. Gary. I'd like to have at least an hour and a half or two hours
of discussion with you on what you...
Mr. Kloster: Thank you very much, sir.
Mayor Ferre: Any questions? All right, if not, thank you very much.
53.
DISCUSS101; ITEi;: REVITALIZATION STRATEGY FOR LIBERTY CITY
(CITY VENTURE CORPOP.ATION)
Mayor Ferre: All right, the next item is City Ventures Corporation.
Mr. Reid.
Mr. Reid: The City Venture Corporation has approached the City
seeking a letter of cooperation in terms of the work that they hope to
carry out in Miami and Dade County. This is a corporation based in
Minneapolis. It is a subsidiary related to the Control Data Corporation.
They first came to town under the auspices of the Greater Miami Chamber
of Commerce, and the Miami -Dade Chamber of Commerce in a 100% privately
funded study in terms of how their program might work in Miami.
Subsequently, yesterday they were funded in the amount of $380,000
by the Private Industry Council to carry out a program that's aimed
at seeking to develop 4,000 jobs within the Liberty City area. I think
it's important to say on the record that this is not a competitive
program to Janus. The geographic area is different and it is very
complimentary. The work that they have to do basically is program
design work in terms of how to carry out the things that they suggested
to this community. The letter that we're seeking is not legally
binding, but is simply a letter in terms of spirit of cooperation. I
would say that there have been some concerns surfaced with respect to
the City Venture approach, and I'd like to put them on the record to
make the City Commission aware of them. We think that this can be
an important vehicle for the delivery of private dollars to the
Liberty City area. Private dollars. We think in carrying out these
programs it is important that City Ventures contract and use exitsing
groups. We don't need to reinvent a set of new institutions when
existing groups can do the job. And we think that it should not have
plot ss take place where simply there is another competitive
for public funds. This process must generate private dollars if it is
ho successful. And we have suggested things such as the business
and technology center that they recommend. If it's tailored to the
Miami economy, it can be very useful, if it is linked to other
communty programs. The Seed and Venture Capital fund we welcome.
and the establishment of new business in the community we welcome. Other
programs, we feel, as I suggested in my memorandum, could be tied...
carried out, but tied into the efforts of existing groups. And I would
like to turn ... with that introductory comment, turn it over to
i.ilCll nrown of City Venture Corporation to describe their effort to you.
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Ms. Ellen Brown: Mayor Ferre and members of the Commission, rhv name is
Ellen Brown. I'm director of business development for City Venture
Corporation in Minneapolis. As Jim Reid indicated, City Venture is
a corporation. We're a little over 2 years old and were farmed to
initiate plans and manage large scale inner-city re•.itilization. We're
a private sector consortium that has 12 national �orporatiolls, and 2
national church organizations as our stock *Iioidt-rs. .`.11t wi;'rt really
created to bring the experience of those stock ht..Uer ii, wcrkin.; in
inner-city neighborhoods to distressed in cther comimuni ties
around the country. We're currently under. concrat L in .0juL!0, f'tliiadelpihia,
Baltimore, St. Paul, and Charleston, Soiltil carolin<.. As jirl Reid
indicated, we were.. have been working in the .ii _;:;i ,ire h for about
3 months starting in late fall through the e.,r:iv wr;l:er ind'nave ,,,tt-.e.
result of that contract which was with the Xiar:i ll du Cha:.ber, ano the
Greater Miami Chamber of Commerce has beer, to rccol.;,erldations
to the private sector of ways that they coulc money ant: invest
time and resources in Liberty City and the s•_.rrcun_ing co:r-iunities in
order to create jobs and help get new bmall stairtec in that
area. Both of those Chambers of Commerce ha'.c resolutions
endorsing the recommendations that we
that we made to those 2 Chambers was that wu un,:crta':t- a full effort to
develop a strategy and begin implementation of in the
neighborhoods around Liberty City. Ant the goals of that
effort would be to treat 4,000 jobs over a 3 to S :ear porioc, and to
help to bring economic self-sufficien(v to t't.at primary
focus for that will be through enterprise for citioll i:1 growth, education
and training, and bringing other prograt;s together otr. to attract
industry and to prepare residents for jobs within tihe areti, We are not
ourselves program operators. We work throug't, anc.l with e�:isting
con.munity based organizations who do now, anu will in the future, coliver
services in the area. We do not see ourselves in any: sense competing
with these organizations, and in fact, it's l :7orL3:?t to us that we
work closk2ly wit,-, them, tied rather Serve a:: a catai.;_,t to bring
private inveEt.T,ent into the area an:. to ':tip to gt-t public incentives
packaged in ..i way that will help to attrach th.,t ,private investment.
For our approach to be successful, there r,;ust be a fartr,erhip both
public., private and neighborhood. And our cont.-:..t with the Private Industry
Cet::lcil, which was announced yesterday, call, for t e . it:-: two months
of our efforts to define a very specific prcc,_ss cf,%L•.: ,lulu t;:
participation which will formalize th, realtic:ls::i;:. 6+e also hope to have
letter of agreement signed as Jim in6i,:ated, with, both tilt City of
`Si,imi and Dada County, with Com.:.unity kevitilization Beard, with the
Chambers of Commerce and with community bust:d organizations, so that
eve:yonl--nc?erstands speciticaliy t.'ie rii.itit;t'i5t1{ps tC,.it w,)illd be
required. I could go into the specifics o: t:hl' kinds cof things that
we expect to be implementinb, but . t ihi nk sine we're net to the point
of implementing them yet, it might be m.cre useful for you at another
time for us to come back when we're: able to wake specific those
recommendations.
Mayor Ferre: Are there questions of Ms. Brow^h? All right, are you
going to have something specifically in writillb of a report nature?.
Ms. Brown: Yes.
Mr. Reid: Mayor, the initial report was appended to the mem.,orandum,
tL) the Commission, so you have the report th it 'has b«:h nude to the
2 Chambers.
^'.ivor Ferre: Let me show you all I have, w iclt., is it ,. "1. ". :hays
this preliminary report. A report to the Greater Xiami Chamber and
so on, January 31st.
Ms. Brown: fright. That's the report that wt procuced under contract
to the 2 Chambers. And what...
Mayor Ferre: I see.
So this is the final document?
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Ms. Brown: For the contract with the Chambers. Now, we're going to
work under contract to the Private Industry Council, to expand on that,
and to implement the recommendations that are in that report.
Mayor Terre: I would like very much to sit down and chat with you and
understand thi;, on a one to one basis, a little bit better.
Ms. Brown: We'd very mi+ch appreciate that opportunity.
Mayor Ferre: All right, so if you would call my office and just arrange
for the proper time any time in the future. Yes, sir.
UNIDEINTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Mayor, I would like to briefly_ react to the
entire City Ventures proposal.
Mayor Ferre: Dr. Perry, we need you name and address for the record.
Dr. Bill Perry: I'm sorry. Bill Perry, 824 N.W. 7th Street Road, :Miami
Florida. I'd just like to briefly react to the proposal and the process
that has been submitted at this point, and funded by the Private
Industry Council, to what many of us see in the Liberty City area as
an attempt to further colonize Liberty City rather than be about the
business of decolonization. At this juncture, within our community, wc,
put together a concerned citizens coalition for the revitalization of
Liberty City. We have developed a position paper in response to the
City Ventures proposal. While we've gone through it item by item,
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and attempted to make a critical analysis of those things that we view
negatively. But before talking about that statment, you must understand
that City Ventures is a subsidiary of Control Data, an Control Data is
heavily invested in by lnight-Ritter, and we all know the position of
"Tr. Chapman when it comes to.�night-Ritter. In addition to that,
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Control Data, it is my understanding, heavily supports the white
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racist government of South Africa. 1 think it would be a horrible
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mistake to bring a firm into this community, as volatile Liberty Citv
is, that knowingly supports the white racist government of South Africa.
But that aside, we believe that there are many elements and factors
in this community if given an opportunity to get into an intensive and
extensive planning that City Ventures has not allowed various
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organizations in this community to participate in, and working with
a group such as Janus, that we have the potential of putting together
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a comprehensive plan to address the needs of City Ventures. I am
holing that this Commission will not take any specific action on this
proposal until there is adequate opportunity for community hearings
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_ around this issue. You not only represent the Chambers of Commerce
in this community, but you as well represent all the citizens of this
community. So I ask you to delay action until there are public hearings.
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Mayor Ferre: Well, in the first place, Dr. Perry, there is no action
before the City of Miami Commission, that I'm aware of, Mr. Manager, is _
that right? There's no action for us to take at this time? This is
just a report of City Ventures which is not under contract to the Citv.
There's just doing this out of courtesy to us. But we certainly have
no action that we're going to take. However, I think...
Mr. Gary: Mr. Mayor...
Mayor Ferre: Excuse me. Both of your points are well taken. And
certainly, since obviously City Venture has done work in other American
cities that have very large black communities, I'm sure they have had
!!em before them, this discussion before...
Dr. Perry: Mr. Mayor, excuse me...
Mayor Ferre: ...and I think they I'm sure have had to address it.
And number two, with regards to your comment, I'm talking about the
realtionship with South Africa, number two, with regards to your
other comment which is the input of the community, I'm sure that they
more than, you know, and I'm sure George Green and anybody who has been
a hart of this would not want to be —would riot want to proceed on
something that did not have grass -root community input. So, you know,
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Mayor Ferre (continued): I think that's absolutely important. And I
hope that they would recognize that. I completely agree with you on
both statments.
Dr. Perry: Just one last cogent. I think you should explore why City
Ventures was not refunded in its home city of Minneapolis this year.
Mayor Ferre: Okay. These are things that obviously have to be addressed.
A11 right, Mr. Green.
Mr. Green: These things were addressed. We had a series of more than
5 or 6 meetings since this thing has started. This opposition has
surfaced at the last moment, in my opinion. The contract ilas been signed.
The private sector has made a ccinmitment. This is an opportunity for
us not to allow the private sector to get off the ;,00k. There is no plan
"B". We have a plan, the Chamber has a plan, the Greater Miami has a plan,
the City came up with a plan after the riot, but nobocy had the money,
the bottom line to implement the plan. And th.it's wi;w.t we're taking
about right here. Do you have the Money to implement Janus' flan?
It's beautiful. fie talks about an industrial pare. N„ere are you
going to get the money from? Who is going; to finance it? i;e's talking;
about Pantry Pride. Where are you going to get the money to finance
a Pantry Pride project? You don't have it.
?Mayor Ferre: You're right.
Mr. Green: But this project talks about ir..pietiteatc,Cioti and it talks
about dcilars up front, it talks about a ;5,000,000 building that's
corr::itted. It talks about buyers tl;at can be brouE;i;t here. ;t
talks about gettln�' something oil the ground. will never ever have
the total consensus of the total community in doing anything. YOi:
don't have it in your white co,=,kinity, sly W.11y should you impose that
upon us. You shouldn't.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Green, what you're repeaLinf; is nothing :tore than Lhe
golden rule. Do you know what that is? Those that have the hold, rule.
T'nat's the golden rule.
Mr. Green: We are ready to move forward with this progri—n. and brink; it
forth. We've put up bucks and we're ready to move forward with it and
we want your letter of intent.
Mayor Ferre: Well, somewhere along the line, there's no question
that we're going to need the input of the private sector in this, and
anything that enhances that, certainly serves the black com—munity well,
provided that it is carefully dont:, proti•idcc that there is
participation on the part of the black community, provided all of these
tensions are defused, and provided that there is adequate input from
the black community along the way. This is not something that can be
imposed from the top. I think, you know, I happen to be one of those
white people, okay, who happen to believe, George, that there is a
great similarity between the condition of the so called Third World,
that is the under developed word, and poor urban America. I think
there is a relationship. I think you cannot solve the problem of one
without understanding the conditions of another. 1 think that the
same problems that are applicable in many ways co Third World countries,
to industrialize, and to form capital -for ration, to build an
cducaltional base, to pull themselves up by a boot straip is just as
appl ic:,ble in the ghetto and the inner city .i6 it is to Jamaica or
r p1ace. And I think that wr nerd to approach it that way.
The key ingredient, and the people of 1aM11%:a saw IL tnat way,' that
Sr.jga saw it that way, is that there has to be ,n input of capital
into the process because when you're done and over with, rcporLs, Lnere
all very fine, but until somebody comes up with some money and injects
it into the process, it's all talk.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Mayor.
"favor Ferre: Yes, sir, Reverend.
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Rev. Jonathon Rolle: With all respects, Reverend Jonathon Rolle, the
Leader of the Black Cross Organization. In respect
to Dr. Perry, the Black Cross supports that issue. V(.• don`t want no
private sector regardless how much money they have. If the,- are
oppressing blacks in Africa, we don't want thern in the Liberty City area.
And I mean that.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Mr. Washington.
Mr. Thomas Washington: My name is Thomias Iash in. tcnl, t; ;�. �. 45th Street,
Miami, Florida. Mr. Mayor, you classically painted out the position
of saying that about the golden rule. And the k,ot,ien rule has been
presented to every community and in the black community here in
Miami. And I think as a safety measure that you as ollr Mayor, anti Cur
Commissioners should use the same formula that thcv used in Atlanta
Georgia because all. of the banks are owned by the white cornmunity
traditionally across the united States. We all knew that as ai i diet . Anei
what has been said by the organization and what has been salid by tho.-A.
people who are against it, they have their ri�:,ht. But I think thl+,t t1.is
Commission representing the constituents of the City of Xia:ni , tt:.;t with
City-wide ventures, that you should request of thorn since the ;olc:erl
rule does not work for black business people. And ; stand here al:�
a black bu,lness person saying that when I go �,:?�"iitlt4li, till it_Iit ti L:;a3ilj,e',
But as a Commission body related to thcr Atlaint l
i-uI;?te within their specifications that iherL Will "X" ?ii.c,Utit
o: percentage of black people involved in the busines—, not the r,a na,t;er
of the business, but in the business. Because what the_:'re fallen}; about
t,iii .Ou in a predominate black neighborhood. Sc, if you would do that,
1, ;is a business person would appreciate it, and 1'ir, quite sure that ai,
of niy follow business perons who are black doing business in Liberty
City would appreciate it.
'iayor Ferre: Tom, I have no prot;lem,,, Mr. Washington, in �ih:illl; a
statements that cl'ncurs with that, or Votin for ;i rosol'ution.
I cannot ii•.1pOSe the C COM—MiSSiOIl' , posture on a private sector
that is dciiig something in the private sector. I can't tell your
c ap ny what to do ar.v more than I can tell Georg--, Green what to do. Ant
t, t.i.iil I Fall tell Southeast bz-illk waiat to dc. I mean, we i;ve in
At"erica, in a democracy that is a capitalistic system where- fret-enterpris(-
has certain privileges and rights like individuals. This government
and no other government can impose on a private group how to invest
their money, or who to hire, or ... now, it seems to me that they wouiu
be crazy, and it would be assinine for them to go into the inner-city,
in Liberty City or wherever, and invest money and have...an,i of take
into account the communty. And as 1 understand it, that's exactly
what their main purpose is, precisely, is to one, hire black people,
two, create capital formation in the inner-city so that what they're
_ after is the creation of jobs, and economic upward nobility. Now, if
I'm wrong, please correct me.
Ms. Brown: Mayor Ferre, no, that's very much correct. And I mittht
also point out City Venture will be hiring 6 professional staff, resident
in Miami to staff our project here. The ads for those posit?on will
�.r in the Miami Herald and the Miami limes on Sunday. And
we would certainly encourage anyone who is interested in working for u:,
to apply. That will be the jobs that will be directly hired by us.
Mayor Ferre: What Tom Washington is saying is, trey, don't come back
i (,ut of those 6 have 5 white people and one black member of the
••45. ,Ie.wli: I can assure you wv will not.
Mayor Ferre: And I'm sure that you woulnd't be crazy enough to du
L4f)rrOthi11p, like. that.
:,n"hing,ton: My closing remarks, Mr. Mayor, the hanks have ti;e
n(-na•y. I agree with you about private rlltcar} rises. Arid I rratlze
cannot instruct a private business or a bunking;
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Mayor Ferre (continued): institutions of how to loan their monies. But
I'm saying as an organization in our community, that they can, and I'm
quite sure if private enterprise is concerned about the development of
our community, that they should make a resolution of 25%. Thev still
have 75%. Part of the creation of our problems is absentee landlords,
absentee business owners, and in my family, 1 tcach my c'r.ildren to be
the employer, not the employee. And I think that that philosophy should
go across the black community. Thank you for your time.
Mayor Ferre: Thank you very much. All riijit. We're about tc break
because we've been at it since 9;00 o'clock t:Iis miorning and we need
to go get something to eat. So, why don't you --ike your statement into
the record, and then we'll break after that.
Mr. Gerald Williams: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Commissioners. Gerald
Williams, 4610 N.W. 7th Avenue. Mr. Mayor, in my cc-tTunity the unemployment
rate is excessively high. And the reason the unc.ployment rate is high
is because of the fact that we own very few businesses. dv% of the
people in America work for small businesses. Buck folk own less than
1% of small business. So therefore, when the major companies start
laying off and our black people go on the unemployment lines. And the
reason for that is because of the fact that there are groups like City
Ventures who are talking about coming into my community and are not
talking about black enterpreneurship, but talkinh about black
employment. Well, we know that when people are empicyed, they arc
also the first fired, and that the economic base le,ives the cc, -=—unity.
In terms of the responsibility of the City, in City Ventures proposal,
they are asking for 100 acres of land. In order to receive tl,,at land,
there has to be some type of zoning, variances, and all these type
of thinks that they have to come back to this Commission to receive.
Until such time as City Ventures has made a commit,ent of black
entrepreneurship, I would take the position that ti;e City Commission
and the :favor should not support the resolution that is being presented
by City Ventures. Thank you.
Mayor Ferre: Well, we're not voting on any rescii.tion, and I would
reiterate to X.s. browr, and her associates the extreme sensitivity that
is quite obvious from fairly articulate, responsible black people in
this community. That doesn`t mean that they're correct, that everybodv
concurs with that. but it does mean that there is enough expression
of concern by responsible black citizens, correction, by responsible
citizens of our community that certainly it warrants further thought
and foiiow up on your part. Thank you very much. And we're going; to
take a half „our break at this time.
THEREUPON, THE CITY CO�2'11SSION WEN INTO A BRIEF
RECESS AT 8:05 P.M., reconvening at 8:55 P.M., with all
members of the Commission found to be present
except for:
ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo
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54. COISTLvUE FUr1DIi1G: NEW WAS1iI,,GT0., IC
DF.VELOPI-u:1,.T
Tile followin,.; motion was lntroc'uced 1"',
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 81--355
A MOTION OF THE CITY COMMIISSi(!N
FOR NEW WASHINGTON HEIGHTS EC:ONCNTC
CONFERENCE FOR ONE MORE .'` ONTI! AT T"il F: "t:: OF
FUNDING, THIS ITEM TO COME BACK TO It-,!
AT THE NEXT REGULAR CITY COMMISSION
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Fihsnn, t`T, motik"',
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummur, .,r.
Cni,nlssioner Armando Lacns.l
1'ice-M,lve)r ('r'XV.) ThCdoru 1;.
Mai;or '-,anrice A. Fer,.e
NOES: None
AP,:7,,E'" : Commis i on r Jt)e Carol 1.0
THEREUPON, the Chair TEMPOKARILY kDJOUR:;ED THL
REGULAR PORTION OF THE AGENDA, AICD
PROCEEDED TO TAKE UP ITEMS BELONGING 10 'Iiil'.
PLANNING AND ZONING PORTION OF THE AGENDA.
55. GRA1:T PE'' :ISS10;% FOR 1,0e.-PRO'CIT ELLE"OSY.,ARY
FACILITY AT 737 N.W. 31 STREET
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-356
A RESOLUTION GRANTING A:� I L1:1:MOSY`tiikRY 1 at. AS P::it
ORDINANCE NO. 8671, ARTICLE IV, SECTION 36(2), FO0,
A NON-PROFIT ELEEMOSYNARY RI:SIDENTIAI_ FACILITY
TO BE OPERATED BY THE MISSIONARIES OF (.:iARITI ,
IN AN EXISTING BULLDING ON 1,01' 11, i.i_GCK 4, -JF"eANEi
PARK AMD (12-69), BEING 737 N.W. 31st STREET
AS PER SITE PLAN ON FILE WITH THE F0i.1,O)WI Li,
DEVIATIONS: A SIDE YARD OF 5' (42' R}; )I'1 RED) ; NO
OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES PROVIDED (3 3 Rl.til�IkLi�j ;
ZONED R-3 (LOW DENSITY 'MULTIPLE) DIc.TRICT
(Here follows body of resolution, 0j-.'Atti'L: IWIL iiI-ld on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
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Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo
56. GMAT E1:TEI,7,SION OF VARIANCES: i:1'LTI STORY uU1LDI:.G STRUCTURE t1i
AND PARII",G GARAGE AT APPRO:;I.4ATELY 1290 TISCAY.�E BOULEVARD
The 'following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-357
A RESOLUTION GR:�NYING A ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF A
VA-RIANCE Giu?N'iEll FROM ORDINANCE NO. 6871,
ARTICLE XVI, SECTION 6 AND ARTICLE XXIII, SECTIONS
4(23) & 7(4)(c), TO PERMIT CONSTRUCTION OF A
- MULTI -STORY OFFICE STRUCTURE AND PARKING GXRAGE
ON LOTS 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, & 8, LESS PORTION OF LOTS
7 S n FOR R-O-W; BLOCK 1; and LOTS 1, 2, & 3 LESS
THE N5' OF LOT 1 :or R-O-W; BLOCK 2; WIN'DSOR
PARK 3RD AMD (4-15), BEING APPROXIMATELY 1290
BISCAYNE BOULEVARD, WITH THE FOLLOWING VARIANCES:
FLOOR AREA RATION (FAR): 3.16 FAR PROPOSED
(2.0 FAR ALLOWED); OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES:
239 SPACES PROPOSED (320 SPACES REQUIRED); OFF-STREET
LADING SPACES: 1 SPACE PROPOSED (3 SPACES REQUIRED);
SUBJECT TO REPLATING WITH A PERPETUAL EASEMENT FOR
INGRESS AND EGRESS TO T}?E ABUTTING ?ROPERTY, SAID
PLAT TO BE FINALIZED AND RECORDED PRIOR TO THE
ISSUANCE OF ANY TYPE OF CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
IN GENERAL ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS ON FILE DATED
AUGUST 29, 1980 WITH ANY MODIFICATION TO SAID PLANS
TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND
SUBJECT TO PROVIDING TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT
PROOF OF LEASE OF 48 OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES FROM
THE OFF-STREET PARKING AUTHORITY: LOTS IN BLOCK 1
ZONED C-1 (LOCAL COMMERCIAL); LOTS IN BLOCK 2
ZONED C-4 (GENERAL COMMERCIAL)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, thu resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
.:01-s : None
ABS}::CT: Commissioner Joe Carollo
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57. FIRST RFAD1:,.G 11RI DINANCE: CHA" Gi ;.I t � __., i 1•a:, ^,1
i'1 !I? j .11 !'�. 11 '.�l l• 1, •' 1 Y.^i
AN ORDINANCE ENTI'l1.Ei)
AN ORDINANCE A21ILN-DING ORDINAMA No. -,;i_
COXPREHI:NSIVE ZONING ORDTN'tN*I-F. FOR T}IF 1 i TY
OF rI1AMI, Fly CHANGI'.(-, Tiii�
OF LUMMU-S ISLAND, SAM' S is>LA::i�, AND
LAND SURROUNDING SAID TSLANP�. TO TiiF, i_1?; i "i' "'ET
FORTH I3Y TENTATIVE P1.Ai
R-1 (ONE FAMILY Dt;ELL.ING) TO
INDUSTRIAL) ; AND BY MAKING THL NhCESS:,kY l.Iilltivr,5
IN THE ZONING DISTRICT MAP *LADE A PART 0'; SAID
ORDINANCE NO. 68711 BY REF "KENCF, r,N !
ARTICLE III, SECTION ?, RIC-OF, i'Y i-'.?; A +�
ALL. ORDINANCES, CODE SCC T IONS C R PA_Ki':
IN CONFLTCT; AND CON'FA'LNI Nt- A
1CiS irttri)C]11(,f'G by (c)lr iF` lOrl!'7 .'i.ltIIiLi'Y .cr1(:.lC: ..�t'i::rilltiti 1
;3i1u SSCd CI1 It:S i ir5t rL'.1 Irli; t 1 LIB :11v I : 1 i ow Vk)t�':
A!1'1�:
Mavor
NCB: S : r�F
%l-,sE.N'? : Co;r;:nissil'ner Joe Carollo
56. si . i.. . .._.i . BAY 'i .' ILIA t::.
The following; resolution was introduced nv Com-missioner Plurr-aer, wlio
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-358
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE PLAT' ENTITI.E1) BAY POINT
PLACE, A SUBDIVISION 1N THE CITY ON MIAMI; AND
ACCPETING THE DEDICATIONS SI!OWI, ON SAID Y;,AT; AND
AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING :'tII: CITY MA::AGEIt AND THE.
i'HF t;I'1Y CLERK TO EXE('TTl. 'I!If' i'1.,1' AN.) PROV1D1:iG
FOR '1HE RFCORDATIONS OF !')'All) F'1.A':' IN Ti1F. PUBLIC
RECORDS OF DADE COL'NTI , F1J)RIPA
(Here follows body of re,l;lution, or-itted, here and on file
in the Office of th.' CA[V CIt-tkj.
Lpon being; bUconded by Conmlissio;,, i- �:ii,son, ti1._ reso ution wat>
Massed and adopted by tht• followint; vot.•:
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AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo
59. ACCEPT PLAT: TOWER AT BAY POINT
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gibson, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-359
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE PLAT ENTITLED TOWER
AT PAY POINT, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF
AND ACCEPTING THE DEDICATIONS SHOWN ON
SAID PLAT; AND AUTHORIZING VND DIRECTING THE
CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE
THE PLAT AND PROVIDING FOR THE RECORDATION OF
SAID PLAT IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF DADE COUNTY,
FLORIDA
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
bL�irg, seconded by Comr.�,issioner Plusher, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
*L3vnr Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo
60. ACCEPT PLAT: DO1%rNTO1kTN GOVERNI;E.IT CENTER
ht. following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Gibson, who
--d-ption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-360
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE PLAT ENTITLED DOWNTOWN
GOVERNMENT CENTER A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF
MIAMI; AND ACCEPTING THE DEDICATIONS SHOWN ON
SAID PLAT; AND SUBJECT TO EXECUTION BY D"DI COUNTY
OF THE NECESSARY AGREEMENTS FOR SUB:: _IVISION
IMPROVEMENTS PRIOR TO RECORDATION Or THE PLAT;
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AND AUTHORIZING A40 OIRECT146 THE CITY XkNAGER AND
THE CITY CLERK TO EX&V'f,`. THE PLAI' MN*,,) PROVIDE FOR
THE RECORDATION OF SAID '11h RECORDS
OF DADE COUNTY, FLORIDA
(Upre follows body of rpvolut.Ayn, o0wvA here and on file
in the Officp of the QLW C;,rh).
Upon being seconded by Commisminner Lacasa, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the follawing voi� :
AYES: Commissioner J. L. 171"aner. Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lv,as--1
Vice-Maynr (Roo.) Thc"dnr� K. -,nbuii
Mayor Maurice A. Ferru
NOES: Nr nt,,
ABSENT: Com-minsicner 3oc Carol
1 i . >. A�P FiTkOD 0AWI& 0FD] VAM:!..
Mayor Fcr;�: All ii;ht, it nas L.(n & by lwcwn, heconded by
Gibson. jurtopr Gjnoub�zi-n cn !tun 2, Vvz 0c oidinance.
(Al THIS P"INT, ThE Cill &TnRNhY NfAb ThZ 01PINANCE 21TO THE PUBLIC,
RECORD)
Mayor Ferre; Lail try r.,11.
AN ORDINANCL ENTITLED -
AN liKDINAN& iVIENDiN;�-',RDINANCE NO. u671, THE.
COMPREHENSIVh ZONINK 0FD:NA%CE 706 T6E CITY OF
T""' Cli:%�;("IN(; THE GLASSIFic"TION OF
BLOCKS 76N, 70E, 87E, 96N, 96E, 107N, 100, LuTS
1, 2, 3, 18, 19, AND 20 Gi bnULK 9SN An LOT9 1,
2, 3, IS, 19 AND 20 OF BLOCK 106N, A.L. KNOW11ON'S
MAP OF MIAMI (B-14), ZONED C-4 (GENERAL COMMERCIAL)
AND LOTS 4 THRU 17 INCLUSIVE OF BLOCK 108N AND LOTS
4, 16, 17 AND LOT 5 LESS W'LY 40.4' THEREOF OF BLOCK
95N, A.L. KNOWLTON'S MAP OF MIAMI (B-01), ZOSEI)
R-4 DENSITY KULTIPLE. 1`0 (7,C
(GOVERNMENTAL USE) BEING THE PROPERTY BOUNDED BY
THE SOUTHERLY R-O-W LINE, THE NORTdERLY R-O-W LINE
OF N.W. 1ST STREET AND THE EXPRESSWAY R-O-W LES'-,
THAT PROPERTY ALREADY ZONED GU (GOVERNMENTAL USE);
kN'D BY MAKING THE NECESSARY CHANGFS IN THE 75NING
DISTRICT MAP MADE A PART OF SAID ORDIN,%NCE '�O. 6871
BY REFERENCE AND DESCRIPTION IN ARTICLE 111, SECTION 2,
ThikEnF; BY REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS
OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAIN!= A
=EkABILITY CLAUSE; AND DISPENSING WITH ThE REQEIRIMENT
OF READING SAME ON TWO SEPARATE DAYS BY A V07L Q NOT
LESS THAN FOUR -FIFTHS OF THE MEMBERS OF THIE
COMMISSION
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Was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa and seconded by Commissioner
Gibson, for adoption pursuant to Section 4, Paragraph (f) of the
City Charter dispensing with the requirement of reading same on two
separate days by a vote of not less than four -fifths of the members of
the Commission
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT:Commissioner Joe Carollo
Whereupon the Corxnission on motion of Commissioner Lacasa and
seconded by Commissioner Gibson, adopted said ordinance by the following
vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
INOLS: None
A S!'NT: Ccm.Tissioner Joe Carollo
SAID ORDINtUNCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO. 9261
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City
Commission and copies were available to the public.
62. GRANT APPLICATIO.-: TO .iETRO DADE COUNTY FOR .\Eh COUNTY AD.:I:,ISTRATION
b;'ILDI..G 101-109 N.W. 1ST STREET
Mayor Ferre: On item number 3, which is a resolution that goes concurrent
with item number 2. Is there a motion?
'Ir. Lacasa: MOve.
Mayor Ferre: Moved by Lacasa, seconded by Gibson. Further discussion
on item number 3. Call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 82-361
A RESOLUTION GRANTING PETITION, AS PER ORDINANCE 6871,
ARTICLE XXI-2, SECTIONS 30)(a), THAT PERMISSION BE
TO CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE A NEW COUNTY
ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, 500' IN HEIGHT WITH A TOTAL
7.1_00R AREA OF 740,000 SQUARE FEET ON ALL BLOCKS
96E, 107E, AND A PORTION OF 96N AND 107N, A. L.
KNOWLTON'S MAP OF MIAMI (B-41), BEING APPROXIMATELY
101-159 N.W. 1ST STREET, AS PER SITE PLAN ON FILE;
ZONED C-4 (GENERAL COMMERCIAL). THIS PETITICN IN
CONJUNCTION WITH A CHANGE OF ZONING REQUEST TO GU
(GOVERINTMENT USE)
(flere follows body of resolution, omitted mere and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
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Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo
63. GRANT APPLICATIOi: TO METRO DADE CO!:: TY FOR INTERT:-' CliII.LED t,ATER
PLAT - 161-199 N.W. 1ST STREET
Mayor Ferre: Take up item number 4 which is another resolution.
The Planning Department recommended approval, t1he Planning; Acivis"ry
Board recommended 7-0. Moved by Lacasa, seconded by Gibson.
Further discussion on item 4? Call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-362
A RESOLUTION GRANTING PETITION, AS PER ORDINANCE
6871, ARTICLE XXI-2, SECTIONS 3(1)(a), THAT
PERMISSION BE GRANTED TO CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE
AN INTERIM CHILLED WATER PLAN ON A PORTION OF
BLOCK 107N. A. L. KNOWLTON'S MAP OF YI&NII (B-41),
BEING APPROXIMATELY 161-199 N.W. 1ST STREET, AS
PER SITE PLANS ON FILE, FOR A PERIOD TERMINATING
APRIL 23, 1984; ZONED C-4 (GENERAL COMMERCIAL)
THIS PETITION IN CONJUNCTION WITH A CHANGE OF
ZONING REQUEST TO GU (GOVEPUNTMENT USE)
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Gibson, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo
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64.
FIRST RLADING OI'0I11ANCE:
CHANGE ZONIIIG CLASSIFICATION
4240 ;•:.W. 11 STREET A1iD
1001 1�.W. 43 AVENUE FROM R-3 TO C-2
Mayor Ferre: Take up item 6, City National Bank of Miami to change
zoning. Is this controversial? Is there anybody here in opposition
to item 6? Ordinance on first reading, Planning Department recommended
denial, the Zoning Board recommended approval 7-0. For the record,
would the administration please state why the department recommended
denial.
Mr. Whipple: Mr. Mayor and members of the Commission, this is similar
to the property to the south of the subject site which was where the
Holiday Inn which was reprsented by Mr. Al Pallot. Our concern with
that application and this application was the access on to 43rd Avenue
and the potential disruption of that residential area. However, you
did approve the change of zoning on the property to the south...
Mayor Ferre: yes.
:Ir. '.;nipple: ...And the applicants have, I believe, may want to
profer a condition that they will. not use 43rd for access, if that's
the case.
Mayor Ferre: All right, sir, for the record, your name and please
voluntarily profer your....
Mr. Harvey Zeigler: My name is Harvey Zeigler. I'm an attorney with
offices at 407 Lincoln Road, Miami Beach, and I will profer at this
time a covenant running with the land, a copy of which has previously
been delivered to the City Attorney's Office which provides, leaving
out the formal parts, one, that there will never be any access for
vehicular traffic directly onto 43rd Avenue, Miami, Florida, from the
above described property; two, that any and all access for vehicular
traffic shall be either onto 42nd Avenue, Lejeune Road, or N.W. llth
Street, Miami, Florida. And the other condition that the department
was interested in is that the property would be used for a hotel. And
item three of our convenant running with the land which will bind
all future owners, provides that it will be used to construct a hotel,
and will only be used for a hotel and ancillary purposes to the
operation.
Mayor Ferre: All right. Is that clear and acceptable to the
administration from a legal point of view?
Mr. Percy: What he's represented on the record, Mr. Mayor, would be
acceptable. We don't have a copy. I've not seen a copy of the
covenant that he's produced.
Mayor Ferre: Well, this is on first reading. If you have any problems
with it...
Mr. Percy: Not with his representations, no.
.....or Ferre: When it comes back on second reading would you so tell
thu commission?
Mr. Plummer: Well, let me ask a question, Mr. Mayor. Isn't this
the same thing that Al Pallot was down here on?
:io;or Ferre: That's correct. It's right next to it, And we voted
to rezone his, and that's why the motion here is 7-0 recommending
approval. Now, with the stipulations made, Mr. Lac:lsa moves, Father
Gibsun seconds. Is there further discussion?
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Mr. Plummer: Yeah. Mr. Mayor, this OTW r;ow tr-, �, in4, to i c i{._ces-ing
on llth Street. The big concern befOre w;ts acres, over on the hack
avenue, 43.
Mayor Ferre: That's right.
Mr. Plummer: Now, where is the recommendation of
let me tell you something, this particular site, Mr. (-'ary and
can testify to today, we went over to the Marriot;....where is the
report from Metro Traffic and Transportation?
Mr. Whipple: We'll have to get it out of the. file, C:cmmissior,er Plu:;t;er.
Mr.. Plummer: I want to tell you, that particular interspction, not,
created by these people, but created by when you come of ti•-e e}:prL-sswav,
if you want to try to get over to the Marriott, everybody elicits -in therr,
makes a U—turn to go back to go over. And it's chao14 on th;,t corner
right where you're proposing to have that opening.
Mr. Whipple: Commissioner Plummer, perhaps you didn't
They were saying they will not have any access on 43r6. it will citl;er
be Lejeune Road or llth Street.
Mr. Plummer: llth Street is what I'm worried abo-.it.
Mr. Whipple: Dade County DOT had no obicction to the rot>sc
rezoning;.
Mayor Ferre: All right. I would like to T'ecuCst tl�c 101 Ti,
is on first reading.
Mr. Plummer: Oh, okay.
Mayor Ferre: On second reading, would you, and I'ni -puttin the burden
on you, Dick, would you remind Commissioner Plummer and the Commission
of the concern on traffic, ingress, egress. Wouid yc,u pers-onally
go see Commissioner Plummer, matte sure that tt.3t particular problem..
Mr. Plummer: Do me a favor. I want something in writing...
Mayor Ferre: ...in writing...
Mr. Pluimner: ...from Metro Traffic that they h ve a6dressod...
Mr. Whipple: We'll get a report from Dude County DOTT and our Puhlis
Works Department will also review it and we'll ha,:r this in front of
you.
Mayor Ferre: Okay. As stipulated voluntarily, with the Lmendments
made, the motion has been duly made and seconded. Read the
ordinance on first reading.
(AT THIS POINT, THE CITY ATTORNEY READS THE ORDINIVtCE INTO THE PUBLIC
RECORD).
Mayor Ferre: All right, call the roll.
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AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF
MIAMI, BY CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF
LOTS 4 THROUGH 10 INCLUSIVE, KARKEET SUB (43-45)
AND TRACT "A", JODY SUB (72-26), BEING
APPROXIMATELY 1001 N.W. 43RD AVENUE, FROM R-3
(LOW DENSITY MULTIPLE) TO C-2 (COMMUNITY
COMMERCIAL); AND BY MAKING THE NECESSARY CHANGES
IN THE ZONING DISTRICT MAP MADE A PART OF SAID
ORDINANCE NO. 6871 BY REFERENCE AND DESCRIPTION
IN ARTICLE III, SECTION 2, THEREOF; BY REPEALING
ALL ORDINANCES, CODE SECTIONS OR PARTS THEREOF
IN CONFLICT; AND CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY
CLAUSE
Was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa ana seconded by Commissioner
Gibson and passed on its first reading by title by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo
The City Attorney read the ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City Commission
and to the public.
65. DE'PA APPLICATIO''• FOR CHANGE OF ZONI2:G CLASSIFICATION:
714 N.W. 22nd AVEi.UE FROM C-1 TO C-2
Mayor Ferre: Now, the next one is an application by Danny Construction
Company for 714 N.W. 22nd. And again, the department recommended,
the board recommended denial, I'm sorry. In this one it's both, there
was concurrence. Is the applicant here on item 7?
Mr. Plummer: Danny Construction Corporation?
Mayor Ferre: Is there anybody here on item number 7? If there's no
legislative action taken by the City Commission within 90 days, this
item shall be deemed to have been denied. So, in effect, we're going to
have to deny it or just let it run and be denied in time. I think
we're better off denying it by a motion, don't you?
Father Gibson: Move.
"fir. l.acasa: Second.
1-1
Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute. kfiy are we denying it? Are you denying
because of the application merits, or because the applicant is not
here?
Mayor Ferre: I think we're following the Planning Department's
recommendation, and the Zoning Board's recommendation. And that's
the basis of the denial.
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Mr. Plummer: All right.
Mayor Ferre: There's a motion by Gibson that. the Zoning hoard be
upheld, seconded by Lacasa. F1,rth r di.nc.ussicn?
The following motion was introduced by Ct,m,risninner kihson, who
moved.its adoption:
*LOTION NO. _30
A MOTION UPHOLDING THE RECU`;: ENUA'IION Of ThL PLANNING
DEPARTMENT AND OF THE ZONING BOARD TO ii:;N`: i:: gUEST
FOR CHANGE OF ZONING AT 714 N.W. 22nd AVL'N L FROM
C-1 TO C-2
Upon being seconded by iC1mmissieac'r Lacasa, the moi jou was pabsed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Ar.
Commissioner Armando Lacaba
Vice -`Savor (Rev.) Thecdore R. Gihson
Manor Maurice A. Ferro
NOES : None
ABSENT . tYr.?i s ione°.r joe Faro; i;
ik Nn .. .ii1V C(ci.FFN1,��:
:':avol urrt . ....w, _n itun ta), lKs imend (r, Section
r'�.rt ie ,r i'�', on
'39, Genvrn i provisions, cencurning hlWuric Uruc t urus in Miami. This
item has been de'iurred, anu 1 aSSUMO that thib is the matter that
we've defurrvd now twice right. 1. L., you're the cane that had some
hang-ups on this.
Mr. Plummer: 7 still do, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: Now, the Planning Acvin:ry nc.id recommended 5-2.
Mr. Plummer: My hang-ups are simple. Mr. Mayor, I am all in favor
of what the bottom line is they're trying; to accomplish. I' m saying
that the way that they are trying to accomplish it, the vehicle is
wrong.
Mayor Ferre: Well, who is here that wishes to speak on this item.
Is there anybody here?
Mr. Plummer: I saw Ely, I know he's here. Ely, where are you. You
want to speak ow it, don't you? For it or anninst it'.' if there's
not anybody here, may we go to an item that is controversial and let's
gist it over with if ... do you want _to speak on it,sir? Against it?
K1 . n-ntty NonvcK: My name is Randy Ncmneck. I'm executive airector
At thy• Himt"riral Association of Southern Florida. And I'm hero
rrprvsvnting the 1000 plus members and families of that association,
and l wihh to speak for the ordinance. I'll cut my presentation very
very hhnrt. Thv main mason I think the ordinance is a real plus
I.t "n In it makes the private sector a partner in historic preservation.
lhl,; Commintilon in this past has done: a lot for preservation. You've
h, I pvd wl t h t hp Jai kson House, you've helped with Lriv Butler site, what: not.
Hit 11 i; Ir.t r 1; preservation is going to work, it cannot be merely
nt huylug things and setting them off as museums. There's
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Mr. Nemneck (continued): got to be incentive for the private sector
to get involved and go someplace. This ordinance provides, it takes
the first major step in that direction. What it specifically does
is once the ordinance passes and is certified by the National Register
of Historic Places, then land owners, or property owners under it
qualify for accelerated depreciation under the tax code, revision
of the tax code in 1976. If preservation is going to work In this
country, it's going to work because private dollars get involved. It
can't work simply with you all buying sites and setting them off as
museaums. I see it as an extention. I think some of the proponent s
have argued that it violates property rights, or it ties up property
rights. What I'd have to argue is that it does restrict property
rights just like any other zoning. If the land owner uses those
properly, they are to his benefit. Around this country there's a lot
of people that are noted for preservation activity. I'll give you
examples, Byneky in Nantucket, Zeigler in Pittsburg, Hadier in Charleston.
They're known as preservationists, but in their own communities they are
known primarily as capitalistics. They were people that realized
what proper investment and working in these properties they had a real
fine thing going. Mr. Plummer, where your family is from in hey West,
7, 8, 9, 10 years ago, conch houses were going for 13, 14, $16,000.
Do you know what the values of those houses today are? It makes
good economic sense when preservation works. This ordinance has a
of checks and balances in it. I think it protects the indivival
ianu owner. It gives him the opportunity to do something with his
property. I urge you to vote for the ordinance. Thank you.
Father Gibson: Go right on, sir.
Carlos Degray: My name is Karl Degray, 169 N.E. 44th Street. Mr. Mayor,
Commissioners, I'm here to represent several neighborhood associations,
namely Buena Vista East Association, and Edison Little River
Community Development Target area, the Little River Commerce Association,
the Edison Buena Vista Development Corporation, Buena Vista Great
Neighborhood Association, and the Brentwood Homeowner Association.
These groups have asked me to represent their cause by coming to you
in person to urge you, Mr. Mayor and the Comr..issioners, to adopt the
Heritage Conversation Interim Zoning District because we feel it is
in thc- very best interest of this community to have the permanent
ordinance approved later on. Our interest applies not only to the
preservation of our cultural, economic, social and architectural
heritage, but mainly in the improvement of the lifestyle in many older
neighborhoods like ours. An historic preservation ordinance would
offer us the possibility of renovating and rejuvenating certain
districts which we feel would be a stimulant to atract financial
imput and improve maintenance and property values resulting in
flourishing neighborhoods once again which carry a flavor of our
beautiful past. We are 6 neighborhoods represented here who believe
we can benefit by historic district ordinance. We ask you to hear
us. We understand and respectfully urge the adoption of this interim
ordinance and that you follow quickly, within the next year to adopt
a permanent ordinance that can be applied to our neighborhood. So
please consider our request very seriously. It is an expression of our
concern for our City. Thank you.
F-1ther Gibson: All right, anybody else?
Mr. Pitimmer: Somebody else said they wanted to speak for it, and some
•,.iiSt it. Come forward to the microphone if you want to
speak on the item.
M•. "hriotine Galbraith: Mr. Mayor, Commissioners, my name is
Christine Galbraith. I live at 3317 S.W. 9th Terrace. I am executive
director of Dade Heritage Trust, Incorporated and I speak to you
t.111811L in that capacity. I wish to register the very strong support
of my organization, of Dade Heritage Trust in favor of this ordinance.
Not only is this ordinance good business and Mr. Nemneck has already
said, not only is it good history, and good aesthetics, it can also
— vuoy guuu publicity in the City of Miami. As you know, we've
i5t
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Ms. Galbraith (continued): received r; i-,odt2r;jL(f of had publicity
lately. But I have here 3 recent ;;ror inert publical ions beat �ill
contain articles on the architecture of the Mia,-FA .:reel, and thf N
are all highly supportive, highly laudatery of thjFr area. One its
on coral rock houses, many of which are located 'here in Coconut Grove,
and in the area north of the OMNT . One is on art e;ec_,'> w,-, kch is in
Miami Beach but also in this area, and an(-,ther, thc.� Florida Design
Magazine includes a picture and feature cc,mmentary on the- harnaccle,
one of the National Register sites thatt would be pre-;ectud h,, this
ordinance. I thank you very much, and I urge you .,gain tn support the
ordinance.
Father Gibson: All right, next.
Mr. Llvis William Cruz: My name is Elvis WiIi iain Cruz. 1 liv+• at
631. N.E. 57th Street. I'm here on behalt of the `1;rnin;:;iic Civic
Association. We have 4 other members in tl& riud.icncc who would like to be
on public record as having been here tenig;ht support intc, the proposed
ordinance. Would you please rise. For the public rect)r.d, their
names and addresses are Loretta Keena, 48.4 N.E. 5uth 'ierracc, 'ramela
Kale Hernandez, 641 N.F. 52nd Terrace, Marian -o,ez, 61�5 N.E. 56th
Street, and Carmen Citro, 2963 S.W. 20th Street. Our gjro.ip has studied
the proposed ordinance for several months, at grew; lcng;th. We have
bean over it several times with the City of Miami's Planning;, Department,
aovice Meyers, in particular. We studied it both pro and co.n. And to
be honest with you, we like the con. We like the icea, of this
ordinance restricting, our neiphborhoed in the sense that it would
preserve the historic and arci;itcctural integrity 01 su:nc of the very
quaint old houses that are in Morningside. My hoaiL' in particular, was
built in 1925. Them are many houses t.hroug;hout the t:cir,i�hori.ocd. l
hope so;.•,e of your are familiar with the neigi,borhocd. TIni•, i5 ',ke sort
of ordinance that we feel will increase the propert;
you can read it all. It's right up there on the L)l.::i•l a)', Lhc j)CSitiVe
aspects that we feel this will bring to our area. We urge you to vote
for it. We are for it, we hope you concur with u':;, thank you.
Father Gibson: Thank you. Anybody else?
Ms. Eileen Cubillas : Eileen Cubillas , President of the, Miami
Women's Club, 1737 North Bayshore Drive. I'm not quite sure. Are we
speaking on 8(a) or 8(b)7
Mr. Ongie: 8(a).
Ms. Cubillas : All right. Well, actually, 8(a), 1 can't say we're
opposed to that. It's (b) that we're concerned about.. As being; the
Miami Women's Club, we are on the National Registry. We do belong; to
the Florida National Heritage Association this g;entluliwn b0t.lrC np0icc
and we have to go on record opposing. I mean, we a,-,, in a hi,i y
commercial area and we don't feel that we should :nave rentriction;,
on us as to the use of the property or to what we have to do with the
property. And that is one reason that we would like to go on record
opposing.
Father Gibson: A1.1 right, anybody else•?
Mr. Bog;ue Wallin: My name is Bogue Wallin. I'M with the Office of
(,)m^nmlty and Economic Development for Metro Dade County. •ihe;• City
(ii %ji,mi's Historic Preservation Ordinance, interim ordinance is in
accordance with the recently passed Metro -Dada Historic Preservation
Ordinance. In the Metro ordinance, municipalities are called upon to
adopt similar ordinances that address the following;: the creation of
a Preservation Board, designation of properties worthy of preservation,
the regulation of properties to maintain their architectural or
historical importance, and an appeals process for :aggrieved owners. I'm
please to say that the interim ordinance, the Miau,i interim
ordinance exceeds these qualifications. However, we must take this
cprortunity to reaffirm that the ordinance before you tonight is in fact
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Mr. Wallin (continued): only an interim ordinance and that you should
be aware that the Metro Historic Preservation Ordinance requires all
municipalities to adopt permanent ordinances by July 1, 1982. We
would also like to reaffirm that the staff of the City of Miami has worked
diligently on this ordinance to make assurances that the rights of
property owners are not infringed upon. This ordinance was based on
the national model historic preservation ordinance written by the
National Trust for Historic Preservation. It was also scrutinized by
the National Center for Preservation Law. Both organizations of which
are well versed and experienced in the impressive body of law surrounding
historic preservation. And we think that is scrutiny enough to warrant
the fact that there is nothing that would impose an undue hardship on
property owners. We commend the Miami City Commission for its
consideration of this ordinance and we urge its immediate adoption.
Thank you.
Mayor Ferre: All right, next speaker.
Mr. Gary Green: Gary Green of 3617 Bayview Road. I'm a member of the
Dade Heritage Trust Board and we support the interim ordinance on historical
preservation. Also, I believe the Woman's Club, if I'm not mistaken,
is on the National Register, in which they worked very hard to get that
site protected.
�- ummer: See, that's the very thing that I've got a problem with.
Now that they are on that thing, you're going to ... by this ordinance, not
you, are going to tell them they can't sell. And now they're opposed
to it. That's why I say to work it's got to be on a voluntary basis.
Ms. Joyce Meyers: May I comment on that, Commissioner?
Mayor Ferre: Yes.
Ms Meyers: You have to understand that inclusion in the ordinance
does not restrict anybody from doing anything with their property.
Inclusion in the ordinance simply means that their request for demoliton,
or sale or alteration of the property would be reviewed. And its at
that time that you decide whether or not that request is reasonable
or not. The ordinance, every decision made under the ordinance has to
be based on economics. And if there's an economic hardship with the
Miami Women's Club, then you go ahead and allow them to do what needs to
be done. The important thing is that all important historic properties
be included in the ordinance, that we have a chance to talk to the
owners before they act, to be able to make available to them some of
these benefits, and to be able to give them advice on the restoration
and reuse of property.
Mr. Plummer: How long can that review take?
Mr. Meyers: 30 days.
Mr. Plummer: 30 days. Okay. Is your board then going to recommend?
Is it going to make a...the board that's proposed, is it going to
recommend to this Commission as to whether or not a demolition permit
shall be issued or not?
Ms. Meyers: Okay. Under the interim ordinance, a demolition permit
goes directly to the City Commission and does not go to the board.
That's because that's an important issue, it needs a public hearing and
your uirect imput. If it's an alteration to the building, it goes
to the hoard and the board must, by this law, make their decision
based on economics.
Mr. Plummer: Okay. If the board denies?
Mr. Meyers: Then, there is an appeal to the City Commission.
Mr. Plummer: Okay. Is that not restricting a mans right to do with
: .. , : j, crty as he wants?
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Ms. Meyers: No, it's a reasonable regulation c,f the use of property
like any other zoning process.
Mr. Plummer: But if you have the right, or we hnve the right Lo step
him from altering his property, how can you tcli me ?h.it that is not
interfering with his right to his ownership of props--rty?
Ms. Meyers: No, sir. We don't attempt to ,poi, lift. fr ,,: altering his
property. We attempt to show him how to do i-L iii w:i,.' t"llat's compi,tible
with the historic integrity. And we c,-innot that is
an economic hardship.
Mr. Plummer: Are you saying then, during that prose.',b, if Vou make it
recom„_endation for denial, is that possihic'
Ms. Meyers: Denial for an alternation? NO.
Mr. Plummer: Oh, you can't stop him- from-.tl.terink; aftf_r the 30 days?
Ms. Meyers: You can —you can require him to alter it according to
standards.
"ir. Plummer: 'A'hose standards' His stanc' +rds?
Ms. Meyers: No, the board can make those standards.
Mr. Plummer: And if objects to that?
Ms. Meyers: Then there's an appeal to this Coia:Jssi+�n and the Commission
can overturn the board:, decision. The issue of iy.h,� hero ;oes both
ways. There's the property owners rights, and there have becia rights
established in the conmunity.
"r. Plummer: Do you know how that property owner got. those rights?
He took his hard earned dollars and bought them. Okay: Now, you see,
here's where I disagree with vou. I want this historic preservation.
But if you're saying that you're going to make incentives for the man
to want to do it, then make it voluntary and give the incentives to
make him do it. But don't impose more regulation telling the man
what he can do and can't do with his hard earned dollars. Now, I'm sorry
I'm a business man, and let me tell you something, if I start imposing
regulations on this kind of a thinp,, tlhe next thing, they're going to
tell the how I an run my funeral home. Aac: I want to tell you
something, they've got problems. I'm apposed, Mr. Lacasa, I love him
dearly, he's coming up with rent control. I'm opposed to rent
control A man owns a unit, he should have the right to run. it. If
you don't want to let him run it, you want government to run it, let
government huy it. Now, I'm sorry. I r. ,ot going; to go anymore, I'm
free enterprise, I've been born that way. Have you ever worked in
the, private sector? I could have answered.
Ms. Meyers: Commissioner, I can't disagree with anything you're
sayin; Jutit. let me repeat. We cannot make these beneftis available
to .,nynnt• unless; we have an ordinance. It's simply not possible.
Mr. plunm,c•r: L'ut yot, can make the volunteer, and ask for the benefits.
That ',i fine•. I'm all in favor of it. My chruch, Gesu became an
hint+>r i; ;it,-. And why slid they do it? Because they needeo the
chat ware f ort ilcoming to help them redo the chruch. And I
think that's great. They voluntarily asked this Commission to do it.
That's grcaL. It's available: if they want it, and need it. They
want to keep an historic site, I think that's fantastic.
Mr. Lacasa: Let me tell you the way I think about thi_-�, and there's
quite a difference between what we're discussing now and the proposition
concerning rent control that we were discussing th.5 afternoon because
the other thing what applies is to try to use the municipal taxes,
rt—1 r,state taxes that we have in the City of Miami, to compensate
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Mr. Lacasa (continued): the owners of rental units up to about $250
per month rental unit, to try to alleviate the situation here in the
City of Miami, and has absolutely nothing to do with thi3. But going
into this, I believe that the City of Miami, at this point, has to start
thinking in the preservation of whatever will tell our children and
our young grandchildren, and the future people what this was all about
50, 100 years ago. We have 2 different type of structures, those who
belong to the public because they are public buildings, or institutional
buildings of some kind, and those who belong to private people. They
might have inherited an estate from their parents or grandparent. I
am very reluctant to impose on those private individuals a limitation
to do with their property as they see fit. I am more than willing to
go to them and tell them what advantages they might have, shall they
decide to take those advantages, to inform them. And then, if they
decide that they want to do something with their property, they can
come voluntarily to you or to the board, or to us, and say, they you
have this type of program. We want to participate. So we can identify
those properties that might be considered historic sites and go and
tell them we have this kind of a program, and if you want to
participate this year, or the next, or 5 years from now, you'll be more
than welcome. But to tell a person that owns private property that he
cannot do this or that with his private property because of these
considerations, I believe that is an infringement on his property rights,
and I don't like it.
Mr. Plummer: Let me ask you this question. Is there anything to stop
this Commission from accepting this concept in principle on a voluntary
basis?
Mr. Meyers: You can adopt the ordinance as it stands in part "A". You
can go through the list in part "B" and adopt properties on a voluntary
basis if that's what you wish to do. And if Miami Women's Club is the
only objection, then that's the one you would have to drop out. Again
though, the ordinance and the language in the ordinance is not
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Mt V' I timmt t : Wt. I I , I 1-t me ask you t.hi q, u e I s there
.Inythin,l it., :;tlt1+ tIii:; commis£lon from acC^=t)t-:,nq this
.'t�nt't'I,t i n I, It 1 rtt' i pl e , ore a voluntary Lasis?
. 0()yA-(• MeyeI!,: Ok, you can adopt the ordinance as it
:, t ,111kh, i n I-,ir t. A. You can go through the 1 i -,t i n Dart p anti
adopt. properties on a voluntary basis if tl,at'n what you wish
to do. Ok, arld if Miami Womens Club is the only objection
then that's what you would have to drop (,ut. Amain though,
the ordinance if the ordinance is riot an iniringemcnt on any-
body's rights, other than requiring to review. The responsi-
bility here in protecting property rights lies in what you do
after you adopt the ordinance. It's in whether or not you
tell somebody they can or they can't do what they want to do
with their property.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa: Yes, but you're placing undue
restriction on the person, a burderi. This; person might want
to make some alterations in his home, so now he has to go to
your board, get a recommendation. It that recommendation is
on the negative, then he has to came to the City Commissioner
and we have to qo through that. If ti;is is cr )i;,y t(? br! volurt-
taZ'.', I e t the t.}:i119 be v(-)Iuntary l-t't',, il'.i1 tiler(' i)Co'.)1e
what cr;e_• I em i�, all about and the i:eisefi*Is and if they want
t0 ccme to you, so be it, they arc we1C,( rye. But i f they
t.hoosc- .,: t to, they should not be torceu to d(. i t .
in tlle ii,tt"r t t,f 1 I�t;'t„ w<. hati'e
t}lIE.t_ mt_m);F:T�� Cf the cv:':missioli Here. 4.011111:-]L `1Cnr Y Cdr0110
!lad cAn (!;C'17(;",11U 11 1C'ft at Ix ("r 11r,;: )c I1e'e-
oac't; at :.,ever. Hr obviously hasn't i) ez;� to return
Father c;ihson t.lt>t, out of the hospital ! (:vQra wr_e};s a<:c,. fiiaT
l:t'en in pair, fol tl:('_ last t.hr(_U /I()-II-,�. 1t you've
110t 1C(c(i, tie W a S walkIT) i around L,( cauF:e iif: caTl't sit down
Ar.d ho he couldn't take It al!,moru, ilu, htr had t0 (:o.
You h:'V!• a t liree merrlbc,r Commissicn here. two Gt them opi.osc,
I i -py—e n to be for it ok? And I dcin't t4,=t,t to give you my
si-e=,ch as to why 1 am for the Heritage: Con, ervation Ordinance
which is being proposed here tonight and t ,t is being pro-
pcsed by some members if the County CGm:nission, ok. I'i-i for
it.
Commissioner. Armurido Lacasa: But no, it's not tha-c simple,
it's not that simple. I am for -:rcIr'm that will ensure
that we will have ways to reserve our historic sites, building;
and whatever and that this city eventually will have a history
that you can walk through the streets and see it there. So it
is not that simple. My problem is my problem is with the way
in which we achieve that. That is my problem, that I don't
want that under this umbrella we infringe into the prolerty
rights of people and this is what this country is all about
so I am not ready to vote no to this and I am riot ready to vote
yes to this proposition. What I am ready is to ask them to fired
ways through which we can have a program implemented that
achieve as much as we can, maybe not 100�,, but as much as we
can and at the same time, people can live without feeling that
their property rights are being infringed.
M,ay..r r'c I ie : Tlitr problem is that everyi:ody wars_: to tj(; t�.
ht?;1V� Il, but nobody wants to die, you know ;end, we're ir; cnt? of
theSe situations which is you know, call it what you wish.
It's a mexican stand-off, it's you know, wu warit the re-
sults but we don't want to pay the price for it and it's, you
ki,ow l'ni not a --wild environmentalist or ecolo(jist. or F-:reser-
vationist, but you know, we've been through this before with
some of our ecological things. Wr've :through it. Lrfore
with our Tree Ordinance. This isn't, -You know, IL dcr,'t
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see that this is a heck of a lot difference from our Tree Ordinance, you
know, as a matter I think it patterns I think it patterns our Tree Ordinance
it's almost identical. Now, you know we fought and fought and all the
people came up and said "You have no right to tell me what tree I can cut
down and what tree I can't cut down. I've got a right". Well I'll tell
you this community also has rights of those trees because your ownership
of that property is only a stewardship and you don't necessarily have a
right to go there and cut a tree that you want to without going through
a process. Now, everybody say it's not going to work. This is going to be
a monstrosity, this is socialism, this is communism, it's the government
telling the free enterprise system what to do with real estate. Well I've
got news for you. It's been effect for how many years now? Two years?
Four years? And it's working. And it's working. And we've saved hundreds
of trees and nobody, nobody has been denied the right to use to their pro-
perty. Now, they have to spend a little money, yeah, they've got to move
trees around here and there. But, I'll tell you, I think it's worth it.
And I think the people that have to move those trees think it's worth it
after they move those trees. So, this is not confiscation without due pro-
cess. This is a very carefully thought out la,a.This is something that is
constitutional in nature. It is within the purview of the policing rights
of government and it's certainly something that is long overdue in this
community. Now, I'm sorry I happen to feel that way. I'm willing to bite
the bullet. I'm willing to go along with this thing. If it doesn't work
we can amend it. I think just like the Tree Ordinance, it'll work.
Jack Luft: Mr. Mayor --
Mayor Ferre: Please, please, that's, that's not the purpose ... go ahead.
Jack Luft Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make one comment.
Mayor Ferre: Go ahead Jack.
Mr. J.Luft: I think what I'd like Commissioner Lacasa to be able to under-
stand is this: We've said it's fine to give special privileges to special
people of special situations if you have a historic house we're going to five
you something that we've not going to give anyone else in the public. We're
going to give you a special privilege. We're going to give you tax breaks,
we're going to give you special exemptions from zGning laws for reuse of
We're going to give you all of these special things that not
anybody can get. In order words, we're giving by virtue of your rights to
co:.trol these things special privileges that only the government can give.
Now,
Mr. Plummer: That's beautiful.
Mr. Lacasa: That's beautiful Jack, make it voluntary. If I wart to use it,
I use it, if I don't want, I don't.
Mr. J. LuftNow if you give --now let me give, let me finish, let me, let --
but the point is this, once you give the privilege, you give that man the
tax breaks and he saves his money. You give him the special use of that
property, he gets the economic advantage and what happens if he completely
remodels that house and destroys the reason that you give him by special
advantage, he's gotten the gain, he's gotten the economic advantage that no
one else could get and he has compromised now the very reason that you give
it to him. So now, what are you going to do? That's the problem. The
problem is you can't give special privileges to people that you don't give
tc, ether:; and then give them the right to destroy the reason that you did
give to them. See--
1 You're talking about after the fact.
�. That's right.
Mr. Plummer: You're talking about after he's accepted the money.
Mayor Ferre: Hey look, it's very simple, you've got a three member commissicr,
here and three people that feel three different ways and you're not going tc.
a resolution with us tonight, so what's the ...
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Mr. Lacasa: I move that we defer the item.
Ms. Joyce Meyers: May I make a suggestion? If you can adopt the Ordinance
as it stands, and you can maintain where desire to make it voluntary, simply
by adopting the Ordinance, adopting 13 of the 14 sites, there's only one ob-
jector.
Mayor Ferre: That's an answer
Mr. Lacasa: No, it's, it's the l•iincipie of the thing. I would love to see
14-100% accept the program and come volunt.ariiy to you and say
Mr. Lacasa: I --I haven't finished... Hey, you --you listen, no way ---because
you talk here hours and hours and I sit here silently, silently! And we are
here today at quarter to ten because if I measure the time you use, you
preach on every item, so I'm to go preach on this one.
Mr. Plummer: I'm not saying by background that these two are vol.atil hot
tempered but uh--
Mr. Lacasa: So, this is, because we discussed this and I like idea.
come a listen to me and this is thc. w ,, that you are going to get -*.%, vct
for this. The mechanism has to be voluntary. You have to identify il;•
Go to those t;eople who owns those sites. Make their, aware of the program,
the, advantages and if they choose to use them, fine and if they don't, that',;
it. But what I wasn't qo for is for rressuring anyone which to me is tanta-
mount to infrirnxe on his property rigl-,ts and that is big government and
bigger and i_iggc: and 1. gger and sooner, we will have here that
jazz of 1964 where nobody could move without a computer going over his head
and you woIi't liavc .reed,Din t'; co a.hSolut(,'.y anything
Mr.1:vid: Mr. Mavor-
Mayor Ferre: Ye --
Mr . Reid: Could I make a co:rrient , I --I been
Mayor Ferre: ....I'll tell you, if' --if you promise to make it quick...
Mr. Reid: I'll make it very quick.
May::"r Fk..rro. Here's whet I'd like to do. 11d like to do. There's a motio::
to cefur. Let's not, lets not dray, t:nis thi,,q on any more. Let's get the
motion: tc, defer. You come back with the alternative on a voluntary thine,
and you come back and then let thy? cc�rmi scion vote or, it one way or the
other.
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, may I say something?
Mayor Ferre: iTh, Jim had the floor.
Mr. Reid: Well, uh, To comment in response to Commissioner Plummer's
point. (1) I have worked in private section development for private de-
velopers and I generally try and speed up the development process, and, in
this instance, you're not talking about anybody's property. You're talking
about a piece of property that has achieved national recognition. It is
not. only important to Miami. It's important in fact to the whole country.
We're not really making it voluntary in terms of not being able to do what
0U want to do. We're just saying take time to think about it, and then (io
to do. Ok, and uh, that is important because you couic. have
(,Nu Gf these properties change ownership and somebody doesn:'t know t1_
1:1sturic tax laws. They've got an idea and they want to move on it a:;d they
talked to their architect and they have bought the property and they are
ready to go. What's wrong with having the time, the very short period of
time to work with that individual, go over the tax laws and then if they
don't want to abide by it, they go and do what they want to do? You as u
commis:�ion say "cut through it and go".
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Mayor Ferre: Alright thank you. There is a motion on the floor by
Commissioner Lacasa, a second by Plummer that this item be deferred. Is
there further discussion on thee motion to defer?
Mr. Perez: Mr. Mayor
Mayor Ferre: Yes--
Mr.Perez: May I make a reference to that motion?
Mayor Ferre: Yes.
Mr. Perez: If this item is deferred, it would be brought back to this
commission on May 28th, that would be over 90 days without legislative
action and this item would be considered to be denied. It can be sent back
to planning advisory board and then that will stop the clock.
Mr. Plummer: No, no, there's another stopping of the clock and that's called
asking for additional information, correct?
Mr.Perez: . Correct.
Mr. Plummer: Thank you. Teach him how to run his department.
Mr. Lacasa: Call the vote.
hummer: Well, wait a minute, I want to vote for the deferral with the
understanding that you are going to come back here with what this commission
wants to hear. Now if you're not, let's go ahead and deny it and we will do
it. Now if you are going to come back here and write an Ordinance, which
this commission wants strictly on a voluntary basis, then I'm going to vote
for the deferral.
Ms. Joyce Meyers: The Ordinance is already that way.
Mr. Plummer: No --
Ms. Joyce Meyers: What I can do is bring you letters from all 13 sites ...
Mr. Plummer: See, they don't want to understand
Mayor Ferre: No, no, you're not listening, see, you're not listening,
you're not listening. I'll tell you what you do. See, there's not suffi-
cient information here for us to make a decision. There's confusion on
that question of the voluntary aspects of it. You sit down with Commissionei
Plummer and Commissioner Lacasa and work out the language on the voluntary
aspects of it and bring that information back to this commission at the next
commission meeting, ok? And then we will be ready to vote on it, so, there
is a motion and a second for deferral because there is not sufficient clarity
and therefore, we need more information on the language.
Mr. Plummer: And with the understanding, they are going to bring back an
Ordinance that is on a voluntary basis.
Mayor Ferre: Call the roll please.
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THERF:UPGti jIIE FCRhr;GIN% : GTIC'C+ i\� D'r.:FER ITEM t30. d"A"
to May 28, 1981. was introduced by Cori-unissioner Armando
Lacasa, acid seconded by :"o; i,i .sio;:er J. L. Plummt.r, Jr. ,
and ador,ted by the following vote:
AYES: C,-)1-7issioner J e =rc Jlc
Mayor mauri ce A. Fe rrt:
CoT%missioner J. L. YltL :.er, Jr.
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Ms.Adel e j._1WTE•Iict_': i want to commend the Planning Department for the
cell•;nt work '},ey ci:ci in tails Flan. However, I have one conccC, :
anc- t`:,7t i ghat becausL, of the uric; Ie nature of this area anu it's
conbination of xesiurr.t.ial it's a high growth area, its proximity to
downtown in the fast developing are, my concern is that this plan
doesn't call for any citizen type of advisory committee to oversee how trait.
area is going to be developed. It's very good for the Planning De-
partment to come up with a plan and I would like to see a little bit more
citizen input in overseeing how the growth goes. People who are invol-
ved not only with development witli the area, but with the character of thu
neighborhood and how it developer;. I think 1 wear a two -fold hat to-
night because I an a very concerned. citizen and through my past expel ience
have demonstrated my concern for my community and the uses of its propert.,.
I'm also affiliated with the developer who is presently planning to deve-
lope somethinq in the high intensity area. The developer that I am
working with is of a very rare rare kind and I was specifically hired b�-
cause of my citizen involvement and my concern for the community so ti:at
I have a lot of input at how this development is going to proceed to bt'
rt ,_,, t : there are amer:hies, for the community at large and. . - ill:,*,.
,ttwi 1 .i ict building put up there acid it's because of this type of cop:-
ct,i,: on :ny ;,,,Art and on the part. of this particular developer that. I'm affl-
1,itEx1 with that I would like to see a body of citizens orl a ty;-,e of
c ithE,r dovt-lopmer.t authority of Inu}:ing this area an adjunct to ti:E dow;.towll
developmer:t authority, so that we can oversee this particular area, 4; Iici,
iI, tiit, nt-xt year is going to be tht. site of very rapid growth. Thank, you.
Muycr 1'c:rrE:: I think that's a vt.ry v,,liu suq,est]ori Adel. a . I to:.-3 you
w'r;t_r: wt.• met yesterday. I thir.i. you .01c;hl. to follow-up first hot
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and then later on with Jim Reid in the administration on that very
worthy suggestion.
Mr. Marvin Rozen: My name is Marvin Rozen, 1925 South Miard Avenue. I have
some change I would to see in the plan, but since there is only three members
here, I would rather you defer so it could be considered by the whole com-
mission.
Mayor Ferre: Well,you know that our position here on the approval of the
Brickell Station Area Plan, we're one of the governmental entities that are
involved in this process. Obviously Metropolitari Dade County also is invol-
ved.
Mr. Plummer: Well, not --not in this particular case ..r. mayor because this
involves zoning changes which is solely the purview of this commission.
Mayor Ferre: Obviously the whole thing is impacted ..
Mr. Plummer: well, let me ask Mr. ...
Mayor Ferre: Now, what kind of changes are you recommending:=
Mr. Marvin Rozen: Well, it's an obvious thi:gig that seems to be wrong,
if you would look at your chart on the second i.agc; i believe it is,
it shows numbers for each different section, and nu;rLer 12 is shown there
and its set up to be left as R - 4, whereas all around it on, three sides ex-
cept for across 15th Avenue is on R - C or R - Cb and I was not involved in
that property during the preliminary get together thatup this report
and because I wasn't involved in this property and tht2 woman that was, was
out of the country, so that I thin}: that if it was taken up at the time,
and brought to the attention of the committee working on it, they would have
put all R -C instead of leaving it R - 4 because it's like a finger sticking
into an R - C Zone and in Zone R - 4. It would be called "Spot Zoning" if it
was done another way, I mean if it was done that way, so, this apartment
that I am talking about is only 15 units, but it would be right across the
street from what probably will be a electric power station, Florida Power
and Light owns the land right across the street on 14th Street, up to behind
when Coral Way property is. So that if this is left R - 4, there would be
an apartment facing the Metro Rail on one side and a power station on the
other and offices on the third side. Just be apartments on one side and be
across 15th Road which is a wide street so that its something that really
should be changed and evidently it wasn't. Now, when we bought this
property, it was runned down in bad shape, nobody wanted to look at it and
we wind-up spending a lot money fixing it up and with the money that was
spent we still have problems now, I guess maybe more so than before, with c-
lot of robberies. In fact, the last three weeks 1 lost three tenants because
they were robbed. One apartment was just about cleaned out, so that it is
going to require some security system to be put in which is going to cost a
lot of money and it would cause me to have to raise the rent some, but at the
same time, it would be worth while to do it, if there was a possibility that
I could rent it for offices too, so that if I spend this money, at least I
can be able to get the rents that it would call for. I'd appreciate you
giving it some thought.
Mr. Luft: Yes - Yes, we discussed this morning„ my answer to nim
was his thought about the small triangle being wedged between the transit line
and the R - C is correct, I think he's got a legitimate argument for extending
the RC Zone. I just told him that this commission has stressed to us, The
Planning Department on a number of times you want to protect housing alna what
he's really saying is give him the chance to change the housing to offices
and -�n we ,ay it's up to the commission, it wouldn't bother us to change the
zoning to RC, as long as the commission understands what they're doing is
put;sibly displacing residential units that exists today that could be con-
verted to offices. So its...
Mayor Ferre: Well, well isn't there a multiple views or alternate use ...
Mr. Lunt: Toaav_ it's zoned R-4 its just residential, tilat's all you can have
them..
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Mayor Ferre: If we went R - C you could have either residential or office:'
Mr. Luft: Or office, which means they could convert as many or all of the
units to offices if they wanted to.
Mayor Ferre: So the answer to Mr. Rozen is that if lie wishes to he could
go throught the regular process of applying and what the administration is
saying is that they have no major objections to that.
Mr. Luft: We don't have any major objections to the zoning change, we just
said we were cognizant under the fact that you wanted to protect housing
and therefore, we weren't going to recoruner,d it, but we could accent whatevt_,r
you decide. We don't think it's that big of a 1;rohlem if you want to c}iange
it from a zoning standpoint.
Mayor Fere: Alright. Yes ma'am.
Suzanne W. Cook: My name is Suzanne
lst. Avenue on the West side of the rapid tr-ansiY station. I'�1i cor, c�rnrd
about the area No. 6. I attende6 all the meetings, ir: fact, 1 thi;.k when
Jack l.uft saw me, he must've wanted 1-o crawl out ;arid hide, we had gut ,lice
heated arguments. I'll qo along with his propo, ai . I think you have: on •;•our
desk the citizen proposal as well. I .,�as contributor of that. I'll go along
with this fine and dandy. The point is, the one thine; that I disactrcc cut
in my area is to keep the West side of the railroad a residential and 71,-,;
,-ur husiness down below. I don't think we need it. I think that if you
want to stick it on the East side, all the business, fine, but not on our
side. Let that be a nivi.ding line.
Mayor Ferre: Ok. r)oe,-, th:_. adrn}nistratiori want to give any answers or c anent '
on tnat statem,�rit:? Van taDiing about Area 6. No comment?
Mr. 1:orman i uim.,ster: Hi , my narie is Norman Burmaster. I'm with tii,� «liar:
Morris Company at 100,''r HT i ck��ll. Avenue and I wo :l d like to say too that
Compliment our City c,: havinq a fine planning staff that balanced quite wall
hxtween some very heated issues during the whole input process. I think ov_,r-
all, the plan that they put together is quite creative, recognizing the change
that' c ;oit,c, tc.: take pl"cc in our community as rapid transit impacts. e
_r.:reu to a ,;neat extent with ;his plan and specifically, what. I'd like t:c
address is only that area which is designated as Area 1 in your pamphlets.
Certain considerations were taken into account as noted in your recommendation
book starting at page 53 and I appreciate your consideration and I will tr-, to
be very brief. The City recognizes that this area to be designated as Area 1
is the: closest proximity to the rapid transit station in what is now a tradi-
tionally but developing in the area of offices. On pa,e 53 of your
book, The City notes that Miami. is unique for rapid transit cities to the ex-
tent that there is only one downtown station area and at the Brickell Area
Station is and should be introduced as a secondary downtown location. They
recognize that with this logical extention, that certain consideration should
be made increasing the density. Addressing specifically Area 1 on pate 56 of
your book, states that the central core adjacent to the transit should be the
hub of activity in the Brickell area. Approximately 90% of the private proper-
ty in Area 1 is subject to re -development at the estimate of the City within
5 to 15 years. I would like to propose that with some certain minor consi-
derations of modification on the proposal made by the City that the impact
_ of development could take place closer to the five year period, if not before,
rather than extending out to the 15 year period. We all, as members of this
City and County have made a major financial commitment and will make a major
commitment through our taxes, as a result of rapid transit. Rapid Transit
st,Ould be for people and this city commission should recognize the opportuni-
usage private development to take place in that area as rapidly as
possible and consistent with the utilization of a fine new modern rapid tran-
.,y:,tum fur great for great success in our community. It is stated that
the private market_ on page 56 would likely opt for pre3ominately office use
in this area. The City planners then go on and state that therefore they
should create a deliberately low -base in order to restrict this
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think that that is not in the best interest of the community. Trying to be
brief on this, I would like to say that the conclusion that the city comes to
is a F.A.R. of seven, but which can only be reached by a combination cf ,nixed
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uses which have not been proven to be successful in the marketplace. On -the -
other -hand, I would like to propose specifically with this Area #1 which is
East of the railroad tacks, and I would concur with Mrs. Cook, she and I have
not always concurred on on our points of view, but I would concur with Mrs.
Cook that West of the railroad tracks has been traditionally residential and
should remain so. The rapid transit will affect bot;i sides of the street,
but it also will create a natural boundary between the areas and I feel that
with the incentive to develop in the office sector to the full F.A.R. of 7
without having to combine mixed use which may not economically feasible in
that market, that it will encourage a better and quicker development of the
area to reflect the opportunities that the rapid transit station will there
provide. Additionally, it will support a quality re -development refurbishment
restoration and fullutilization of the residential facilities that will be
immediately to the West of the rapid transit station. ;t is with t}sat that
I'd like to thank you all for listening to me. I appreciate the hours that
you fellas spent. I'm glad that I'm not a city commissioner I'd like to say
and I'd appreciate your consideration, thank you.
Mayer Ferre: Alright, does the administration have a answer to that?
b'x. Jim Reid: Mr. Mayor when we discussed this; coi-.ce_,it plan with you
some months ago, this was issue that we talked to cirt-ctly and we fuel that
it is appropriate for this area to develop as a iii,}; ir,t�: sit', T•lxed use area.
We're talking about a level of density equivalcrit to Miami Center and the Ball-
point j.YO-;eCt, oi:.' but. we Teel if it's that. intense, It should 1-)e Cfiice and
r, ... .. i',i Icil it, tailderr, and not art office project com.petir:g with downtown.
aqi.ce, yeah. I' it you, I just want to express my opinion.
t,ie world that we can do right now is to make that a
office area to downtown Miami. Because whit will ha_r_pen is that
onl•; be for rich, big mega buildings and I don't think
wC've gGt p;enty cI vacant land In downtow7 Miami. If you're
It ought t0 bt lit l iJi'. `Iixt3d is '0u sdv iL
whore It works, it works very we11. I would hope that
1+'• ui C;. ricivu, tiiat: r:111d of :Axed use diYcCtlon, Certail'il;: th( rE' S eriCugli
certainly there's enough variety and mixtures where you could do
ci. :ei �x:itir_ things.
t r: If I may Sir, I'd like to respond to that comment by
tis,.t t.i.c area that we are addressing here is a very small percentage
`. tli, tutal land area that is involved and with the re -development plan
.r,e city has created, they will allow for a very significant area to
its residential use. I'd also like to point that even in the City
::,(i i'ort-folic here, they maize she comment that what is left in the
_ ralsit area of downtown in the near proximity of the rapid transit area
kl l i)t- quickly taken up by the governn.ent center and they state further that
tl-.e ma;crity of the development opportunity in the station will be exhausted
:.. TAh,)-.e governmental buildings. I'd like to recommend that the market should
tic that that determines the development in this small area.
gayer Ferre: hell, let me put it to you this way. This thing is not chiseled
tor.r. ' think this is just a working living doqument. I guarantee you
wltt.ir. two yNars it'll be changed and then it'll be changed again and again.
is a beginning not an end so I would recommend that this commission move
:i::,•.; .,:.d get this thing going. Any member of this commission or anybody
;-r-in; it up for further discussion and I would recommend that we give
t:. �c,uple of months of breathing space. In six months or a year or what -
you car, bring it up for further change if you wish.
..:.",I We11 , the only thing I want to know, how many individual parcels
_. i.-1- ,ca to be changed in this plan?
::, . :, i.uL t : Individual parcels?
_1. Plummer: Yeah, how many parcels are involved?
1 . .1i,: k Luf t : well, you mean ownerships or plattea lots.
Either one.
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Mr —lack Luft: Well, in the area right next to the Brickell Station, in this
area, right here
Mr. Plummer: Yeah.
Mr. Jack Luft: There are increasingly fewer ownerships. About 80%
of the property is owned by two land owners, Ok.
Mayor Ferre: You --You just heard from one.
Mr. .lack Luft: Vde just heard from one of them. I would guess,
and it's strictly a guess there's probably 50 to 60 different property owners
that would be affected.
Mr. Plummer: Ok, have all property owners in the area proposed for change
been notified?
`tr. Jack Luft: We have --we have sent 1 1tturs to all of the resident:, a:u:
property owners in the area for the Brickell Tram;it Meetings which took
the place over about five months. They were all invited to come to the
meetings.
Mr. Plummer: Have they as normal been invited to attend this public
hearing this evening?
?Ir. .Jack l.uft: How many letters did we send out? About --- We sent out
aLjut 100 letters for this notice of this meeting. Everyone who came u-) our
meetings, whether it was one meeting or six, we sent out letters to them
telling them that this hearing was coming up.
Mr. Flurmner: Tonight?
Jack Luft: Tonight, yes.
b'r. Plummer: Arid now, are you for the records certifyinc that every owner
of record who has is nrope!ed to lie changed has been been notified by mail?
+1 Ji ,•k , ,1f t : This is not a zoning change now.
Mr. Plummer: Ther.t is proposed hero_ to he changua.
Mr. Jack Luft: This --this is strictly a plan. The zoning changes come
later. Five or six months from now. These will be notified absolutely
by law, every single property owner. Right now we're talking about a
basic plan. We sent out thousands of letters, advertised in newspaper.
We've gotten 8u c, 100 people at every meeting. So we've gotten pretty
good notification. But I can't tell yci; for the record that everyone
knows it.
Mayor Ferre: Before I recognize Mrs. Cook, I just want to say this is
holdins! uD a lot of people who are planning very important projects. I —A 's
move along, you know, and I'm sure in the next six months as these specific
areas come up for the zoning plan you'll have ample opportunity to change
this and that to you sir, you'll have ample opportunity to address that
issue when it comes specifically before us for zoning change. And that's
the time I think we should address it. This is just a general plan. This
does not chisel anything into stone forever. Let's let's move along.
Mr. Burmaster: I just thought since the planning department didn't
ohls•e.t to they change that I mentioned that it would save a lot of trouble
i i yt,u couid include it ...
14a7c,r Ye•rrrr: I don't think that's the way to do it. I think the way to
d(, it i; just to move along with a general plan and it's been said now
!;e:ve:ral times, these things have to come back to the commission, proper
propc!r public hearing for zoning change. That's the time you'd
re•r,t yr,ur issue. Yes ma'am Mrs. Cook.
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Suzanne W. Cook: Suzanne Cook again. Uh, to answer Mr. Plummer,
at every single meeting it seemed that we were going for zoning changes
quote unquote. The unfortunate part about it, the people didn't even realize
this and they didn't even know that basically that they were going there for
zoning changes. It was all under the quise of rapid transit and believe it
or not, this is zoning changes. This is what we're coming up to.
Mr. Plummer: Not yet.
Suzanne W. Cook: And these --maybe not right here --
Mr. Plummer: You're getting --you're getting close
Suzanne W. Cook: Maybe not right here
Mr. Lacasa: Yeah, you--you--you--... the point, see that's the point,
because once we approve this, it's practically the basis for the zoning
change afterwards.
Susanne W. Cook: But these people that went to this meeting don't even
realize this. That's the whole thing.
Mr. Plummer: Well, yeah, but you see I disagree with the premise that once
we approve this, that's the zoning change in itself. It's not.
Mr. Lacasa: No, I didn't say that It's --it's this will require a step
forward. I remember the master plan in Dade County.
Mr. Plummer: But Armando, that's the way these things have to be done. You
see and the thing is it's time --it's time for us to take that one step. Now
after that we'll take a second step and a third and a fourth and we'll be
fighting about this for another year. I guarantee you that I will see the
majority of you here time and time again as your specific areas come up
for specific re -zoning. That's the time to come up with the specific issues.
Mr. Lacasa: Yes, that's it. According to this plan, the number one and two
on the map, you --you are proposing the next district up to S. E. 8th Street
right?
Mr. Luft That's correct. Number 1 is and then
Mr. Lacasa: Number 1 and then Number 2
Mr. Luft . Number 2 is ... to the river.
Mr. Lacasa: up to the river?
Mr. Luft That's correct.
Mr. Lacasa: Ok, could you explain me well so I --I want to understand what
the difference between the 1 and the 2 at this particular point?
Mr. Luft . We're calling for major increases in intensity, mixed
use. The reason we can do that is that there is a rapid transit station
there to serve it. The further we get away from that station and once
you start crossing major barriers ,like Sth Street, major boulevards,
it gets harder to get to the station. We're talking about people
walking now, ok. So, we felt that the area which was together, between
8th Street and 13th Street, the Area #1 was the closest, most convenient
area that could be served by transit. That was where our highest density
Once you get seven or eight blocks north and you start crossing 8th
Street, unless we have the people mover and we're not sure we're going to
'Jct it, unless we have that people mover, we didn't think that we could re-
corsac�nd to you densities that were equally as high. When we move, not as
many people are going to walk to that station, seven, eight, ten blocks away.
So, if they are higher but not quite as high, it's a little different, that
all.
Mr. Lacasa: What --what bothers me is that this departure of the pre-existing
policv of the commission that we were considering the F.A.R. in the concept
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Mr. h►it t y,•,,
Mr. L.i, G,Iu',, ,I,rwn taking downtown tdiami as the highest density and
(joi nil I-, ,t h N, o t h ,ind Sio uth, decrease of the density would be closer to
ci,1wtdi,wn .uul th,•rt-furc to the river, the higher the density.
1.11t t Thi_, is substantially higher. Ve're doubt in , more than
doilli 1 Inv, I Iw cf,•n:. i t v in Area 1.
"tr. I,.►i t North of 8th Street, aiol then at the river, more than
chnihlirul .it up to an F.A.R. 5.
understand the concept of it. You sre my problem
a'.c I explained to you before when wF_ di ;cussed this iL, that what. I was
ctivisio ring was exacted in reverse of what is being proposed as part of
thrr:t, two areas. I was envisioning the office space be the commercial
area closer to the river and residential towards the South, which would
have been the logic thing and this is changing the concept.
Mr. Luft: Well, we've --we're all...
Yr. ,?in Fr,id: May I respond to that Commissioner Lacasa? It's, when
we discussed the river point proi^_ct, this is exactly the same conceE't
that was talked about. The raising of densities on this side of the
river anal this is what we are precisely doing here. But what Jack i5
saying is that there's two principles at work. The other is proximity
to the transit station and if you can go to work and walk off and you are
convenient to transit, that location is a amenable to higher densities.
So yes the densities closer to the river has been raised significantly,
but we're also raising the transit density significantly...
Mr. Lacasa: Yeah, but the end result is that we will go something lire
this, downtown is up here, then we'll go down in the river area t: 2 and
then we will go up again. That is what it is...
Mr. Jim Reid: Yes, because of the...
Mr. Lacasa: ... Instead of going steadily down.....
Mr. Jim Reid: Weli, Ccmindssioner 1 miciht :::ay that that it might be more
even in ser.-,utri-al to go steadily down, but it's better development policy
to put the intensity next to the transit station.
Mr. Lacasa: Jim, I really have my doubts about that. I can live with
the problem if we were to have this type of increasing density in the
same fashion, but not these ups and downs like yo-yo
Mr. Luft Well., if we get that people mover, on May 2nd you may want
to come to the meeting. It's going to be at the Civic Administration
Building, 9:00 o'clock in the morning. May 2nd we're going to talk about
the Brickell leg of the DPM, how we're going to get it and where
it's going to be. And if it comes through that area 2, this plan says
with DIN there, we can just like area 1, but without...
Mr. Lacasa: But Jack, Jack, you are taking ...
Mr. lilt The traffic assess in area 2 is lousy. It is really bad.
It's very hard to get a car in. You've got narrow 7th Street, you've got
dcad-end 6th Street, dead-end 5th Street and you've got Miami Avenue bridge
that's being raised a heck of a lot. It we increase the intensity in area
2 like you say, more than in area 1, what you're doing is you're putting
all of the development where you can't get cars to it at all and its fur-
ther walk to the rapid transit station. We think its logical to put the
density where you can get to it the easiest That's all I'm saying.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, let's move along now. What's the will of this
commission? Do you want to put this off again, or do you want to vote on
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it or what? I'll tell you, it's 10:15 and we're going to be here until 1
or 2:00 o'clock. We've got a lot of other items so you know, either we
move with it or you postpone it again. Make up your mind.
Mr.Carollo Make a motion to move it Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: Alright, there's a motion that this Item 9 be adopted.
Plummer ---Did we get a second, and if not, I'll accept a motion to defer
the item. Plummer, there's a motion on the floor that Item 9 be adopted.
Do you want to second it or not?
Mr. Plummer: As it is, if the zoning is to come later, the answer is yes.
Mayor Ferre: Ok, further discussion, call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Joe Carollo,
who moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 80-364
A RESOLUTION APPROVING IN PRINCIPLE THE BRICKELL
STATION AREA PLAN FOR THE AREA IN PROXIMITY TO
THE BRICKELL TRANSIT STATION, BOUNDED BY BISCAYNE
BAY, THE MIAMI RI%7ER, I-95 AND SOUTH 15TH ROAD,
WHICH PLAN SUPPLEMENTS THE MIAMI COMPREHENSIVE
NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here
and on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr., the
resolution was passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
NOES: Commissioner Armando Lacasa
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
68. DEFER FOR FURTHER INFORMATION: REQUEST FOR PERMISSION TO OPERATE
ADULT CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITY
2100 N. W. 28 STREET AND 2720 N. W. 21 AVENUE
Mayor Ferre: we've in Item 10. Now this is the Adult Congregate Living
Facility. The department recommended denial, the Planning Advisory Board
recommended denial, 7 to 0. The applicants here, Sweet Home. Alright Sir.
Mr. Ramero Arango: I am the applicant. Ok, my name is Ramero Arango. I
live 1900 Country Club Prado. I come for the petitioners and also for
the old people living in this City of Miami. Everybody is aware of the big
problem of housing old people in this City..:veryday. more and more it be-
comes a problem of public attention. We own the property in North West
2100 28th Street. It's a color property with another number 2720 North West
Lu 21st Avenue. As the Ordinance 6831 Article 46 Section 36-2 we rave the
right to request the permission to operate a non-profit Adult Congregate
Living facility. We have a non-profit corporation to that effect and we wart
to put_ this property of ours to the public service of the old people who find
their housing more and more. .. ..
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Mr. Arango-(Cont'd)
difficult to get every day. For that purpose, we need to get a
waiver, or several variances because the building, is an old building
with a poor roofing„ 2 floor building. And the variances
all refer to the new regulations concernirlf,, the distance from the
house to the boroer line of the Uroverty. Sn, for tho f'ren, »ard
21 feet proposal, 43.5 feet are required. From the side street bards,
12 feet are proposed. Again, 33.5 required. The interiors side
yard, 6 feet proposed. Again, 33.5 required. For the one story
building in the back of the property, the side street yard...
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Arango, I don't mean to interrupt your presentation
but that's all in here in the petition. We've all read it. We know
eaactiv..,I mean, 1 can read it into the record like you can. One
story building side street yard, 15.6 proposed —you know, that doesn't...
Mr. Arango: Well, the question here is, 1 call your attention to the
public need of housing for the old people and we have spent r: culnsiderable
amount of $150,000 to that purpose, of a non-profit. corporation. According
to this ordinance, you could vote another ... the change of usC. That's
,Ill. 'Thank you very much.
Mayor Ferre: :+11 ritlht, thank yt,u, Mr. Arango. Now, the administrations
position on thc_ recommended denial.
Mr. Whipple: Mr. Mayor, just a couple of points. As you note in the
fact sheet, his application is in odds with the South Florida
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Buil.dil;k:, ( c,;:c .- ,�:�*z:inr; �a��( . Cu re t:Iv of occupatu•v .nr facilities
of this; t vpc�. T';( rip111 icant i.; re ,1<<�ct infi far i_n excess o: what the
South YAori(a,? ;;I—! .i1"), CoGe would <ilIow. Sec cndly, as y(•u kno , we've
been workint. vcry hard on a community based r(_-.idential facilities
ordinances hi r ,ur;nt to then stuc'.y th.It we made and the proposed facility
meat those standards even thr, ;gh they aren't adopted
at the present time, but they have been reviewed. So on that basis,
we recor..und denial.
Mayor Ferre: Okay. All right, opponents. Are there any opponents
that wish to he heard? If not, what's the will of this Commission?
Mr. i lu n,.cr: Let me ask you, Mr. Whipple,. When is that proposal
coming up?
Mr. Whipple: Sir, that was one that fell by the wayside on the 90
day cut. It was ... it was deferred at the last Planning Advisory Board
meeting. I believe it will be up at the next Planning Advisory Board
meeting, and then we'll be coming back before the Commission again.
I'd just like to point out the variances requested in addition to the
use of the property itself, it is a small piece of property, it is a
small facility, very crowded, and we're not —what we're saying in
essence, we don't believe that we're doing anybody nay favors. We know
the needs. The needs need to be met, but they need to be met in a
very reasonable and proper manner.
Mr. Plunner: Well, but I also feel, Mr. Whipple, that to take any
action when there is some sweeping changes to be proposed I think is
r.r_r.:^turf.
Mr. Whipple: Except for the first factor I brought out regarding the
occupancy on the South Florida Building Code, sir.
Mr. Plumnier: Mr. Mayor,
matter be deferred until
could consider all at the
I would think it would be in order that this
such time as the other is brought up and we
same time.
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Mayor Ferre: Motion for deferral on item number 10. Is there a
second. For reasons stated.
Mr. Carollo: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Further discussion'. Call the roll.
Mr. Plummer: That's a continuance for further information.
Mayor Ferre: A continuation for further information.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-365
A MOTION TO CONTINUE CITY COMD1ISSION CONSIDERATION OF
A REQUEST TO OPERATE A NON-PROFIT ADULT CONGREGATE
LIVING FACILITY AT 2100 N.W. 28TH STREET AND 2720
N.W. 21ST AVENUE, PENDING FURTHER INFORMiATION TO BE
FURNISHED TO THE CITY COMIMISSION
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
:Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore. R. Gibson
69. DENY APPEAL BY APPLICANT FOR C0:�DIT10:'AL USE PER::IT OF 25
SPACE LXCESS OPEo' PAnCING LOT - 2510 :•:.W. 21 TERRACE
Mayor Ferre: That brings us to 12. Now, this is an application by
Krome Development Company, and the Zoning Board's denial of a conditional
use to permit 25 space excess open parking lot at 2150 S.W. 21st Street.
The Planning Department recommends approval subject to the landscape
plan. The Zoning Board recommended denial 7-0. Is the applicant here
Krome Development Company? Your name for the record, sir.
Mr. Dan Corbett: Yes, Mayor, the applicant is here. My name is
Dan Corbett. I work at 5915 Ponce DeLeon Boulevard, Coral Gables,
Florida. I'm speaking on behalf of the applicant, Krome Development
Company. I would like to mention a few key points about this application
for a conditional use. The applicant has constructed a building which
fronts on Coral Way, in a C-2 district. It's a 6 story office building.
Within the building, 3 stories are dedicated to parking, 3 stories to
office. The applicant has met the zoning ordinance requirements for
parking on his own property, and now desires to provide for parking;
for 25 additional vehicles since the ordinances requirements for parking
are only minimal requirements. And will not meet the actual need
presented not only by the office building, but the general area. The
key thing with respect to the conditional use which was approved
subject to landscape approval by the Planning Department, is that there
Is no Ingress or egress onto S.W. 21st Terrace which is the residential
backside of Coral Way. There is a wall completely around the
}parking lot and the adjoining residential properties will be additionally
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Mr. C, c) r 1) t., t i (I c ci n t. L* i i i i e, i ) : I ., , i i t. i t, -, T i, -,- A' , i r c!,-; (- ap I n g Moreover, this
a p p I i c at Ian does not re*,)-, j;, ocoden t in the. net �,,hberhoo6 . On
the nor t heac;,1 cornor, t h f,; aiidl Its intersection
With the a,;i-nur. ()v ,ht+ l:t"< i,'i i }IC. ti!S1)!.i?: t'lere is an office
for ;I wiih i"I on the
'lt, 1 1-1 t 4 - 'V S e C t I on
of the or, hf, -i j i."I! 1 r ra r,t, r is a residential
dentists of+it t, with nfi p,i, i d �. d i)t:t as permitted by
the ;)I-(, ;1_int t c Zit 11qw:,i_,ni 1 :j.,:; moved on Coral Way,
t h e k ond 1 t I i tL,t, j-) 1 0 l� I n t i i ea , o n al, I e
sol it i;.)r) 1) 1 1 Iind i`: dou-n
Coral W,i", tor:_ I ' d like' to turn
over tti?' '4ilo 1s the P,hosident i:! tht'
ap p I I c,i i i c r,,, r i h t
M V,11,1k,1polski. I , m,
P 'C e i i k7 _ I t V "ir. r oin
tilt, l!f:'l) i
Ll I
I Of SOMU ifli2kl!=t.
t- r co-mimillitV.
We 11,11_.'ic ni,t oiisi,- iihoijt, the probleim. of ci-ime.
I old parking spacc.
I L Tl i�'- 1. C i T, (I I t, � t to widen
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Wc :o, c:irs in t lit, street. We think today
We lliv:,2 tht., bark. 1 'm :Isis (1'hi,irm.ln of the Board of 01t.i hemisphere
N, i t r-, a I ii�j, i v, k., t. I I -) *, c i ie 111, s , a lot )t ot emplcyees of the
b, in K wk i I : 1, 1 11 C ',W park the' cars Just around the block. If
we had r -:-e ;),I 1);- wo v:,-;il d lhavo iris ide between the walls with
tilt f t I ikk, I will show you now. I think it's
0 t I- 1,11;lt wo rr.�-)Iect to put and we contracted
i:11't 7, CW parking system which have the gates.
)-i- d , w, the building in the afternoon,
F! i,cl leaving; the building they will
c If it is not a
t C' TI 1. t r I i Cali enter in this parking
n ht pUrk.n spaces inside they will not be
pt'rMi t L',' cl t tt I- h in 11 r n r: i � o i n L-, i d e Another thing is
we have r,,,,ery need to close.
Wtr r l i lio.;re for al our community. In
till:t j , k? j Zi a 11 tj I j
p rt- j;-' -n Vt,-r P(_ rc t u f c; r it Coral Way
L iinnin�,
this, we had only one thing
in :A;) 1 1 -.1-im i r. 1 t v h.ivo better scrvict.,
K
t , tilt' 1reEl.ie11t of till'
Cl.a7J."I 1;t. Y V:� cailc-6 by the Police Department
t I Pc; I Di,p.3rrmont, and he
-i i; o crjnie was down what was before.
That w. :t T- i; trvin,7 i,c) to Llif- bet -er. And I think that what was
hc'tt;l'?lick C-1 it)l1 butweEn all the neighbors. Because
r t r v IIY t. e tilt= 1, We are not asking for changing
fI c What is oiur property without
iwi ghbc,rtiood . It better function, a better
P, 12 C i CI: ! C- M 1 1), 1 rid the p Os S j 1) 11 i t y Of
I i , ike i t 16 possible that the President of the Chamber
of Coiamwrco :-)f Coral Way, if ho can -,peak in Spanish, is possible tht
t I r - , - A 1 11 !i d (I r t- S- t- 111 F, 1) L) i3 r d .
Mr. C,,rollo: Sir, that Won't be inv problem. Can we get someone from
the :,&.-,iAstr;-,tion to rranslatt,, thcwgh, please.
,11. L-CiloTt., i(,!-"-,a:ldt,Z: My name is J.arelo Fernandez. 1 live in
t. ! Q', Wvst tO Avi-nue, Hialeah. I ask to be excused by the Commission
and the public because my English is not proficient in order to address
thi.,i body. One of the Principle preoccupations of the commerce in
Coriil Wit'; ! parking. We have the necessity to resolve 3 big problems
One 1', t lie night vipilence and at this time, we have
resolved that beC,3U.S(- tile TVcople on Coral Way, the merchants in Coral
Way havo paid the amount of $500 a week to the Ploncer Security Company.
In two months we have had a record of zero thefts. The second
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Mr. Fernandez (continued): problem we have is street lighting. And the
third problem that we have is parking on Coral Way. The merchants
need parking because Coral Way is moving forward. Coral Way is growing.
Coral Way is the artery that joins Brickell Avenue with Coral Gables.
The City planners consider that Coral Way in the year 2000 will be the
principle artery, but it has been moving faster than that. We have
new buildings and new construction going up in Coral Way. WE need
parking. Krome Development presents this project, a small parking
area where cars are going to be coming in from the right hand side, and
going out on the left hand sine, and no cars are going to go into
22nd Terrace. This drawing shows that no car will exit on 21st Terrace.
I made a survey of Coral Way from 12th Avenue to 36th Avenue, and I
visited every building myself. I can prove that the idea of Krome
Avenue has been already present in many projects on Coral Way.
1r. Fluuuuer: Sir, wuulu you uuuvey to tnis gentleman that the Charter says
he has 5 minutes. And he has done a little bit better so we sould 'hope
he could wrap up real quickly.
Mr. Fernandez: I proved that my building had the same situation and they,
were able to exit to the street to the rear.
I proved that 3 major firms have the same situation in which they coMe
in from Coral Way and they exit to Coral Way and there is no exit to the
back street. I plead from this Commission to take into :nnsideration the
needs of the merchants in Coral Way and that this should lbe approved.
*Sr. lur:IIer: Is there any other ...this is the propcnents? Any other
proponents'. Any one else want in,, to speak in favor of the project?
:.C.w, till'rC .iri' j t'! ; 1C' hUre 1 cissu:::e , 4'CuId llki to speak against it.
1 t:i.it correcIL :�.ii rii'ht. i.et nlL' .1sK you a t:ivor. it's late In the
ti• e r��� i.tit10[ls, is it possible that
or 3 specs -En who could take
all of the ol:,ts that are necessary.
cw it, but we're going to
minute.For the• :ecord, if you'd like
u t?:e nii-,,ber of you here and put that as part
have to stand tip, just r,ilse your hand.
::'•;i;._ i� .:i ii is 1P. Jp position. All ri�,ht, now, can you appoint
1vk•s or 4 spokesmen. Is that possible? If you have
V1 rC c0UT-,Sel...for the record, state your name and mailing
Lcc'r ;:rlc ou ii;ive 5 minutes, if you' 11 set the clock, please.
Yes. `Sy „are is Steven Karew. My address is
itl, �.;rai Gables, Florida. I'm here in behalf of
:Sr:,. i'ctrt:: >,no h::ve a house at 21st Terrace. The President
said that they Ou:lt tti.is building with an eye
t. s the ftiturt.. They've built 3 floors of parking, and 3 floors
It's vary curious to note that apparently...and also these
:c ors , f ,.,irking met the requirements of the City of Miami. It
:r:c! th.-,t in a very short period of time their building all of
i:: ot'solety. They need 25 more parkin; spaces. I think that
that they should have worked out with their
'I, ',JtL
t, with their planners, with whoever it was doing this kind of
.•_ rt: is t;",i 7. and said, folks, we need 25 more parking spaces. Let's
i.t,r lioor of parking. Let's not disturb the people at
r1 TII," s they didn't do. Now in hindsight they say we need
tiltt (VIII' i5si0li. Well, the lr
Zoning Commission
ii;•I"i'.; C:Si� .ac•riL of Lheir request and turned it town 7-0.
VOU, Sir.
1.. , 1 hope I c:in sUvu this Commission anal the
.::.v LiII:i lnlc» son-w of my collea8ue5 here disagree with
1' ;r.i• tc' ni.ike a motion to deny the request of the applicant.
P:1s t1icri, a second to the motion?
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Mr. Plummer: Is there any discussion? You all will forego your right
to speak?
(INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENT PLACED OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Mr. Plummer: I thought you would. No further discussion? Call the
roll.
(INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENT PLACED OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Mr. Plummer: Surely, sir. Those people in favor of the application
please raise their hand. For the record, there are 7.
(INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENT PLACED OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Mr. Plummer: All right. They are part of the record, sir. The
affidavits themselves in fact are part of the records.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Carollo, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-366
A MOTION UPHOLDING THE ZONING BOARD'S DENIAL OF KROME
COMPANY'S APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE TO PERMIT
A 25-SPACE EXCESS OPEN PARKING LOT AT 2150 S.W. 21ST
TERRACE
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
NOES: Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
FOLLOWING ROLL CALL:
Mr. Plummer: Sir, your application has been denied 3-1.
(INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENT PLACED OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Mayor Ferre: It doesn't matter how I voted, it was 3-1.
(INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENT PLACED OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Mayor Ferre: No it doesn't. I have a right to express my opinion.
Mr. Plummer: The application is denied. I've seen a lot of people
with mysterious faces. Do you understand what happened?
(Al IhIS POINT, COMMISSIONER LACASA TRANSLATES INTO SPANISH THE ABOVE)
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70. GRANT I -YEAR EXTENSION OF VARIANCE - CITY NATIONAL, BANK
60 UNIT APARTMENT TOWER AT 101-153 S.E. 15 ROAD
Mayor Ferre: Take up item 14.
Mr. Lacasa: I move item 14.
Mayor Ferre: Is there any problem with item 14?
Mr. Plummer: Second. I thought it was closer to the Brickell Station.
It's not. So I...
Mayor Ferre: Its been moved an seconded. Further discussion? Call
the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Comm-issioner Lacasa, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-367
A RESOLUTION GRANTING A ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF A VARIANCE
GRANTED FROM ORDINANCE NO. 6871, ARTICLE NI-2, SECTIONS
3(2), (e), 3(4) (a) AND 5 TO PERMIT CONSTRUCTION OF A
60-UNIT APARTMENT TOWER ON TRACT "A"; TENTATIVE PLAT NO.
1073-B "EAST BRICKELL TOWER SUB," BEING APPROXIMATELY
101-153 SOUTHEAST 15th ROAD, AS PER PLANS ON FILE WITH
THE FOLLOWING VARIANCES: (a) EAST SIDE YARD; 16.0'
PROPOSED (62.3' REQUIRED): (b) WEST SIDE YARD; 30.6'
PROPOSED (62.3' REQUIRED): (c) ALLOWING PARKING WITHIN
THE FIRST 20' OF THE FRONT YARD AREA (NO PARKING
ALLOWED WITHIN THIS AREA); (d) FLOOR AREA RATIO (FAR);
2.794 FAR PROPOSED (2.5 FAR GRANTED BY ZONING BOARD)
(1.5 FAR ALLOWED ; .702 ADDITIONAL FAR RECOKMENDED BY
THE URBAN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW BOARD (UDRB) FOR A TOTAL
RECOMMENDED FAR OF 2.202) PROPERTY ZONED R-CB
(RESIDENTIAL OFFICE) DISTRICT
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
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71. A(.1.1'PT PI.AT: I'.A!;'I' IMICKELL TOWER SUB
M ► . Move 18.
M►. 111uunm•r: No, I have a...I want to hear 18. How close is 18 to the
Bl trkt-1 1 `itat ion?
Mr. Perez: It's the same property.
Mr. Plummer: What?
Mr. Perez: It's the same piece of property, Commissioner. It's the
planning; of that same property.
Mr. Plummer: Where did I see 150? Wasn't there 150 15th Road'?
Mr. Whipple: That's 101, 153.
;simmer: All right. Are you telling mr, Mr. Whipple, that this
application has nothing; to do with the Rapid Transit Station?
Mr. Whipple: That's right.
Mr. Plummer: Not involved?
Mr. Whipple: No, sir.
Mr. Plummer: Then I...
Mr. Lacasa: Move.
Mr. Plummer: Second.
Mayor Ferre: All right, 18 has been moved and seconded. Further
discussion? Call the roll.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-368
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE PLAT ENTITLED EAST BRICKELL
TOWER SUB., A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF MIAMI,
AND ACCEPTING THE DEDICATIONS SHOWN ON SAID PLAT; AND
AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE
CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE THE PLAT AND PROVIDE FOR THE
RECORDATION OF SAID PLAT IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF
DADE COUNTY, FLORIDA
(here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in tho Office of the City Clerk).
17pon brim; seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the resolution was
and adopted by the following vote:
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AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
72. ACCEPT PLAT: RAINBOW PLAZA
Mayor Ferre: Take up item 15, Rainbow Plaza. Plummer, do you have any
problems with that?
Mr. Plummer: No.
Mr. Lacasa: Move.
Mayor Ferre: Moved by Lacasa, seconded by Plummer. Further discussion?
Call the roll on 15.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-369
A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE PLAT ENTITLED RAINBOW
PLAZA, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF MIAMI; AND
ACCEPTING THE DEDICATIONS SHOWN ON SAID PLAT;
AND AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER
AND THE, CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE THE PLAT AND
PROVIDING FOR THE RECORDATION OF SAID PLAT IN THE
PUBLIC RECORDS OF DADE COUNTY, FLORIDA
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner ? L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
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73. SECOND RE,ADIN(; ORDINANCE: DECREASE ZONED STREED WIDTH N.W. 7TH
COURT BET'WI:F.N N.W. 15 STREET AND E.W. EXPRESSWAY FROM 50' TO
40'
Mayor Ferre: Now, item 1. Any problem with that?
Mr. Plummer: Move it.
Mayor Ferre: Plummer moves.
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mayer Ferre: Lacasa seconds. Further discussion? Call the roll.
AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 6871, THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY
OF MIAMI, BY ADDING A NEW SUBSECTION (93-A) TO
SECTION 1, OF ARTICLE XXV, BASE BUILDING LINES
AS HEREINAFTER SET FORTH, DECREASING THE ZONED
STREET WIDTH OF N.W. 7TH COURT BETWEEN N.W. 15th
STREET AND THE EAST -WEST EXPRESSWAY (SR 836),
FROM 50' TO 40'; BY REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES
CODE SECTIONS, OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT; AND
CONTAINING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE
Passed on its first reading by title at the meeting of March 17, 1981, was
taken up for its second and final reading by title and adoption. On
motion of Commissioner Plummer, seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the
ordinance was thereupon given its second and final reading by title and
Massed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
SAID ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNATED ORDINANCE NO. 9262
The City Attorney read the Ordinance into the public record and
announced that copies were available to the members of the City Commssion
and to the public.
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THEREUPON, THE CHAIR ADJOURNED TIME PLANNING
AND ZONING PORTION OF THE AGENDA, AND
PROCEEDED TO TAKE UP ITEMS BELONGING TO THE
REGULAR PORTION OF THE AGENDA
PERSONAL APPEARANCE OF POLICE CHIEF: (1) APPRGVF $500,000 OVERTIME
74. (2) POST REWARD FOR KILLERS OF MR. SARMIENTO AND ATTE.'`i'i TED
KILLING OF MR. CAUBI; (3) EARMARK CONFISCATED MONIES TO PAY
INFORMERS
Mr. Plummer: Starks and company come forward.
Mayor Ferre: Chief Harms. Thank you for waiting. You and the other
members of the Police Department who are here. We heard the tragic
news of a senseless killing today of a man walking a dog in front of
his house. He was shot. Could you inform us as to what happend,
where it stands? I understand there was another murder and that
this is 2, as I understand 2 and maybe 3 in one ddy?
Chief Hams: There's 2 deaths that I'm aware of today. There may be
a third, but I'm aware of 2. Let me ask Sergeant Misleh, who is the
supervisor on the scene to give you a brief update on the scene itself,
and then I'd like to make a few comments to the Commission.
Sgt. George Misleh: All right. At about 6:10 this evening...
Mr. Plummer: Sergeant, for the record, would you state your name.
Sgt. Misleh: I'm Sergeant George Misleh, City of Miami Police Department,
Homicide. At approximately 6:10 this evening, Mr. Alberto Sarmiento
was shot and killed outside his home at 201 N.W. 14th Avenue. We have
very few witnesses, no suspects at this time. He was apparently gunned
down ambush style. According to witnesses, a car was seen approaching
his home as he was exiting out onto the sidewalk to walk his dog. A
passenger of the vehicle, described as a Camero, either brown or rust
colored, the passenger got out and fired several shots with what was
possibly a machine gun, got back into the car and fled north.
Mayor Ferre: What? A 45 caliber... is that legal.
Mr. Plummer: No automatic weapon is legal...
Sgt. Misleh: ,10, it's not.
Mr. Plummer: They can't hear. Talk a little louder.
Sgt. Misleh: At this time, we're still investigating it. We're going
through his records. He's a bondsman. We have several records to
go through. And at this time, we don't have any motive or any suspects.
Mayor Ferre: Tell us about the other one tonight, Chief.
Chief Harms: Mr. Mayor, this will be very sketchy. This involves a
police officer who shot an individual who attempted to shoot 2 of our
officers with a shotgun. And that was about 6 o'clock this afternoon.
About 14th Street and 2nd Avenue.
Mayor Ferre: Is that in the same vicinity.
Chief Harms: No, sir, that's Overtown.
Mr. Lacasa: About two days ago, Chief, an "ttorney who happens to be
also a well known and prominent member of this community was also shot
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Mr. Lacasa (continued): outside his home in what seems to be similar
situation as the one that the sergeant has described in the case of
Sarmiento. Fortunately, this particular incident, the man was not killed.
But obviously, he could have. And there is no question that the
violence in this City is increasing on a daily basis. And the situation
such as this one that we are discussing here, seems also to be the work
of professionals and I believe that we here on the City Commission have
to be extremely concerned beca,ise it has come to a point where no
matter where in the City of Miami, everybody is beginning to feel very
unsafe. The question here now is what do you recommend that we do,
because obviously we are coming to a point where we have an emergency
situation.
Chief harms: Yes, sir. We're certainly all shocked by occurrences
such as these, but we must understand that meaningful direction is
really brought about by unity of purpose. We've been going through
some very troubled times in this community, and I believe it's important
for this Commission to serve a conscience of this community. It's
important to understand that with this unity, with this dedi-cation of
purpose, that hopefully, we'll be able to energize the community and
eradicate these sort of criminal acts. This Commission has already
demonstrated its support for law enforcement. Now, through our
public statements we must condemn this behavior and seek all available
means to eliminate and discourage these acts. We've been outspoken
of legislative reforms in the. past, this Commission has, I have.
Anu I would recommend that the Commission utilize the prestige of this
bode to go on record with the Legislature, the .ludi.ciary, and the
Stnte Attorney to encourage action and statutes which will dramatically
address the problems of the criminal justico svntem as a whole. I
reCOMMend that the Commission con:-ider the followinp, short term measures:
immediately apilrclve the use of 4 re ; )00,000 of contingency money for
poIicv overtime to mnkV Up for tho personnel deficit that we're
currently experiencinv. The second item, post a reward for the
arrest and conviction, and these aru things that the Commission should
consider, the arrest and conviction of murderers in these types of
crimes. Issue resolutions of support for stiffer sentences, punishment
should fit the crime. Effective state-wide gun management which would
dc�l 7,,t only with the requirement for regis'ration and demonstrative
competency to handle a weapon, but increase the severity of sanction
fur those who violate the provisions of those statutes. Support
Governor Graham's policy of capital punishment, and encourage the
Federal government to accept its responsibility for immigration policy,
and to supply us with sufficient resources to fight effectivly the
druf; rr,fficing within this community and South Florida. Long term
solutions must consider adequate staffing for the Miami Polcie Department,
and generally municipal bodies suci, a:> this, are looking at the
front end of the system, and that's the police organization. And I
would encourage again this Commission to go on record with the State
Tegislature and give them an understanding that if we increase the
capacity of the Police Department to arrest and to prosecute, or to
assist in the prosecution, that we must also expand the balance of tht,
criminal justice system to accept the overload that we're currently
facing, and that we would anticipate with increased resources at the
front end of the system. Social control is really a product of
community concern which must be translated into system reform to
reflect reality. Again, let me commend this Commission for their
Lcn,-ern and for their unity of purpose in addressing this very
serious matter.
rt,rre: Chief, I've addressed a telegram which is ... I have not
yet. sent but I'm about to send, and I'd like to read it to the
.and to you and get the reactions. This is addressed to
t'.. orable Robert Graham, Governor of the State of Florida. The
streets of Miami have become a veritable shooting galary. Murder
runs rampant from domestic killings to gangland executions. The citizens
Lit this community are living in terror. We must fight back. It is
,•,,;i�nl upon us, the elected officials, to safeguard the lives and
constitutional rights of our citizens so that every man, woman, and
child can once again live without fear. We all seem to have a portion
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Mayor Ferre (continued): of the solution to this terror. However,
it is no longer a battle but a war. And a war requires that all of the
principals plan the strategy to win. Governor, I again plead with
you as the Chief executive officer of this state to call together the
local and state agencies, the executive judicial and legislative
branch of our government to a summit meeting to recognize this crisis
and declare a state of emergency. These are drastic tines and drastic
action is necesary before South Florida becomes Dodge City, 1981. 1
stand ready to meet any time, any where. Now, I realize that we've
had meetings of different groups, we've had meetings that have been
called of criminal justice groups. I'm talking about a meeting where
the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the State of Florida, the
President of the Senate, the Speaker of the House, the State Attorney,
the various mayors and commissioners, the police chiefs, all gather
together, whether it takes a day, 2 days, 5 days, 2 weeks, and that
we call the —that the Governor call a special legislative session
if necessary, to implement some of the changes that are needed. That
we do whatever we can at the local level, that we ask our colleagues
in the Metro Commission to do the same thing. We are now obviously
at a crisis point. There is no way that this co-i :unity can stand by.
I think we've done as much as we could, but obviously it has not been
enough and so we must do a little more. Now, I'd like ... !'I! open
it to members of the Commission for discussion, but I would event,ially
like a reaction from the Commission, and your reaction to my
petition to the Governor to call a summit meetinj,, of the people that
are invovled in the criminal justice system. Let me just add one
sentence to that. We unfortunately end up in situations, and I don't
mean to be critical because I know that the number 2, and number 3,
and number 4 person sometimes can effectively deal with issues if it
doesn't require the attention of the Governor or the Chief Justice
of the Supreme Court. But, we're not living in normal times and I
think we have to address...we need the Governor on this. We need the
Sneaker of the House. We need a commitment from the Speaker of the
House that they will stay in session, if nece.-sary to deal with this
crisis. Miami and Metropolitan Dade County is part cf the State of
Florida, even though sometimes you wonder. And I think the Legislature,
which is now in session, has just as much a resp—risibility to deal
with this issue as they do in dealing with traffic and transportation,
in dealing with the educational crisis. I know, we've got an
educational crisis. But I ask you, what value is in solving the
educational crisis of this community when people are getting shot
walking their dogs 10 feet away from their homes.
Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Mayor, I share your same concerns, and I support the
concept expressed in your telegram. But, we have 2 different
situations here which could both combined, help to solve the problem.
We have one that is in our hands limited, but up to us, and another
one which will be dependent upon the State authorities. As far as
tonight, and as far as what we can do by ourselves with our own
resources, and with our own authority, I would move that we approve
the use of $500,000 for police overtime from the fund that we have
reserved, which is the Public Safety Fund. The reason is that this
will enable the Police Department to have more visibility. This has
already worked out pretty well, I must say, in the downtown area. We
have seen the downtown area situation improve. We see police there,
they are visible. The people feel more confident, the merchants feel
also more at ease, and crime has diminished in downtown. But the
City of Miami, of course, is much more than downtown, and now we are
seeing that this problem is expanding to residential areas, and in
a very serious way. So we cannot ask the Police Department to
protect our lives and property unless we give them the resources with
which to do it. So, as far as financial resources, so you can have
more police in the street, I intend to move right now that $500,000
be immediately release for that particular purpose from the
Public Safety Fund. Besides that, a few months ago, on occasion
of the rioting, I moved a resolution that passed unanimously by the
City Commission, giving you, the Chief of Police., all of the support
that you needed to enforce our laws. I not only wont to reinstate
tonight that motion, but to make it even, Chid:, more stiff. I
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Mr. Lacasa (continued): believe that this is the time that we have to
get very, very tough. And as far as T am concern, Chief, I am ready
to move that you be given the necesd'ary authority and directions so your
people in your department feel totally and completely supported by this
City Commission, in the sense that you use whatever means are necessary
to put a stop to this situation. These are the only 2 things that I
can see that we can do tonight on a short term basis. The rest, will
require the planning and the cooperation of other authorities. But as
far as we here tonight, and our responsibility to the people out there
who put us here, this is what I believe that we should do tonight.
At least to give everybody here the perception that we do mean business,
and that we are going to use whatever we can to put a stop to this.
Chief Harms: Commissioner, a major part of the problem that we have now...
Mr. Plummer.: Chief, your're out of order. T second the motion.
Mayor F'erre: All right, under discussion, members of the Commission...
Chief, before you answer, let's give everybody on the Commission an
opportunity.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, let me tell ynu why I seconded that motion. I
have been alarmed, and have not said anything. The thing that alarms
me is it was a proven fact that tht 100 Highway Patrol that we had
here want a long way to help this local community. They're leavink.
going; back home. And I want to tell you something, they're
going to be sorely missed. And I went tc, tell you, there's only
one way I know to make up the difference, and that's hard dollars. These
are goin€, to he hard dollars. Mr. Mayor, and members of the Commission,
I will remind you that when this budf:,et as passed, I made the motion
foreseeint, what was comin>_, down the road, to create this public
safety fund s,�]cly for t}:c purposes of public, safety. And if this
need hasn't been dciaon:;trated, 1 don't know what is. And as far as I'm
concerned, we havu got to make up that gap, and I know of no other way
to do it, but to pui more men on the job. And this will do it. So
that's why I seconded the motion.
Mr. Lacasa: Chief, you were going to say something.
Mr. Plumrrer: Well, wait a minute now. Mr. Carollo wants to speak and
the Mayor wants to speak.
M-. Carollo: Thank you, Mr. Piucrmer. Bark when we approved the budget
for this; fiscal year, I was the only member of this Commission that
W311L c' 1-0 „1".0 the funds that were ta5ed in other areas not just to hire
100 additional police officers, but 200 and possibly 300, if we could
divert the money for it. My feelings :iav,,n't changed. Right now,
we're budgeted for approximately 800 officers. This department should
have a minimum, a bare minimum of 1,200 police officers today, not
2 or 3 years from now. I have no problem in approving an additional
$500,000, $1,000,000 or more dollars if need be. There's money in this
City and it can be found. The number one priority of this Commission
is the protection of life and property. It's our number one priority.
I just want to make sure that our dollars are going to fight crime.
I want to make sure that our dollars are going to be uniformed officers
in the streets, doing aggressive patrolling, fighting crime. Not like
I've seen myself personally, and I've heard time and time again in the
past months, that some of our officers I personally witnessed
approximately 9 or 10 myself in one night, and instead of being out
thew fighting crime and aggressively patrolling, were out stopping
.,..'lic, hiving citations for expired tags. I don't feel that's
our number one priority now. In the area of investigations, I feel
that our number one priority should be going into the investigations
of murders, rapes, and robberies. According to the FBI's latest
statistics, we're number 1. In the whole counrty, number 1 in these
categories. It's nothing to be proud about. In fact, it's very
very sad and ugly that our community instead of being number 1 in
other honorable areas, we're number 1 for murder, rapes and robberies.
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Mr. Carollo (continued): Chief, I'm more than ready to approve
whatever funds are needed, or take it from wherever we have to take it
from in the City, but I want to make sure they're going to be used
in the most appropriate way, fighting crime. I want to make sure that
we don't have 30 or 40 police officers in desk jobs inside the station.
I want to make sure that they are out on the street fighting crime,
aggressively patrolling not getting to other areas of law enforcement
that are not priority at this time. Mr. Mayor, I give the floor to you
now, sir.
Mr. Plummer: I..let me just say this. Mr. Mayor, I think Mr. Carollo
makes his point, he makes it well. Chief, I think it would be well, and
I'm assuming the sense of this Commission this motion is going to pass,
I think it would be good on behalf of the department, which really wouldn't
take a lot of time, to document what that money, exactly where it's
going. And give this Commission an update every 5 days, a week, and tell
us where that money is being used. And then, I think this Commission
can reevaluate if the need comes, that more is needed, that we can do
it with a better comfortable feeling, each and every one of us that the
money is being well spent. So I think Mr. Carollo makes a legitimate
request and I would hope that a log would be kept for this Commission's
edification as to where that money was being used. I think it would
go more to the future of when the request come back for additional items.
Mr. Carollo: T. L., I would like to go even one step further. I'm
Can recorcl ill bein,, in favor o2 approving whatever funds are needed for
tilt- - rOt t: t i.`11 0, li: e and property in this community. That's our
c; 1 priority. Tilt number 1 concern that this Commission should have,
fulfilling the oath that we took. I want to take
It Sty, further. 1 want to be able when people come screaming in
f i i c L• wt1 wL' rmillions of dollars on our Police Department
w:;� ; wk. pit h� r� few ;:oaths from now to approve the next budget,
raising the taxes again in the City of Miami,
ihe hir_11, :•t taxes of any city in Dade County, with the
L k.,ry s:,a 1 city next to Miami Beach. I want to be able
to l,-t i.2 : wi<< rc th,it money is going to, and that money is being put
.u1 purpcise. Therefore, what I would like is a justification
that the Police Department is spending every month
it t, itc•r., by item, where every single dollar is going to, item
Piu;.,er: Excuse me. So there will be no misunderstanding on my
,,r : , :: t•�: t trrat that money is solely for the purpose of overtime,
:il:itional personnel onto the streets and into investigations.
i . aro lu: That's correct.
is not to be used for equipment. It is to be used for
r ot;n� 1 in overtime.
Furre: In future overtime.
mr. . i'lur. ser: oil yea, well ......
1 L•rre: but you know. there's a buildup of past overtime. And I
,:-rt,iinly don't intend for this moeny to be used to cover up for the
overtime that we have, which as you know, is a pretty high
ii,•ur,• at this paint..
• . P.tu!:.• I. 'iealr, I understand.
r,•11o: Starting from today on. Is there any objection from any
(A the Comnission in getting a month to month justification
;;t t•vkrr�• dollar...
'1r. 1,1uTILT, er: I want a week.
X.,,3yL-r rrrre: Absolutely.
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Mr. Plummer: I want a weekly report.
Mayor Ferre: Well, I don't know whetlier the accounting process would
be so burdensome to do it for you on a weekly basis. I think if you
do it on a...I think Carollo is... _
Mr. Carollo: Will. that be all right, Howard? Can you do it on a
month to month basis?
Mr. Gary : Monthly basis would be better.
Mr. Carollo: I don't want to put anv extra burden...
Mr. Gary: Thank you.
Mr. Plummer: It's not agreeable to me.
Mayor Ferre: Let me make a further point on this. I remember, and
Chief, I remember where I got those statistics. It was at the
Conference of Mayors meeting with the Crirtinal Justice Committee.
Let me tell you what those statistics are. Out of 100 crimes committed
in America today, half of them are not reported. Of the 50 crimes
out of 100 that are reported, half of those never get to trial. Of
the 25 that get to trial, between 10 and 1.5 are bargained, or settled.
Of the 10 remaining, that go to trial., only half are concluded. And
of the half, out of the 5 that are concluded, only 2 go to jail.
And of the 2 that fie to jail, 1 i�) released within a very short period
of time frog, j ,il . Now, what ghat tells me is that we can put- on
100, 1,000 or 2,000 additional. policemt-n, which I'm all in favor of,
but you and I know that tho,'. is nvt to solve the problem alone.
It's a v(=ry 1113jor imps rtant stt;) in the: right direction, but it is not
the t eta! s.,lut.i, 711,o ;.c-tal :c luti m requires a change of state
law in sr:verr-J -i!� 'You and ,other.= have recommended, it requires
a changed ;:ttititat il: 4111(% judi, inl, and thr,t means everybody from
judr.r5 to nro�,•c.•tur:; in OW `=tatty i%ttornev's Office. It requires a
com:^:itment :_r. t'.;e s',art t io legislative branch and the executive
bran: h cf : he "Aate Florida. ::ow, I'm not saying that the
$9,00n,c,tjG, i�.„ `u�s�ct th;tt is bring proposed is an improper budget. I
am saying,, to the Logi �-ia;-ur,. which is now in session dealing; with
the Gc,vr_rr;cr' _ rol-oseri 1,udget, that when we talk about a City of
Mi.imi opE�ratjni, budget of 5120,000,000, it is a drop in the bucket
coripsred to the resources and the billions of dollars that
Mctr.:pol it;ir D. de County deals with, and $9,000,000,000 in the proposed
state but';_et . An(, upon this state to realize that
tht -: c.L.i<sai , "`,i ^;f is not the problem of Miami. It is the problem
of t.hc State of florida. And u( must not ask but demand that our
legislative forces, very especially tl.e ;jade County Delegation act
as a single voice. And I want to point out to you that these problems
are not unique to Miami. I was just interviewed by a reporter from
BBB and he kept asking me why Miami? And I pointed out to him that
if you look at the murder rate, top ten cities in America, the
difference between 1 and number 10 is not that significant per
100,000. In other words, this is a problem that's affecting the
whole country. We had a President that was nearly killed last month.
Now, I'm not saying with that, that that give us any special
dispensation to look the other way. But I am saying that we've got to
do our part, but me must demand from the State an that means the
executive, judicial, and legislative branch., that they've got to do
their part and we're all in this thing together.
mr. eautumvr: Mr. Mayor, fast calculation. I was asked a question
by the media. Fast calculation says that these additional fund will
provide Chief approximately 33,000 additional man hours for that
amount of money. I think that will, go along way to make up the gap
of the leaving. Now, whether you want it in a separate motion, Mr.
or Mr. Mayor...
Mayor Ferre: We have a motion on the floor.
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Mr. Plummer: All right. Or whether you want to incorporate it in the
.same motion, I think I personally would like to see the Chief and
the Mayor go to Tallahassee and plead our case to get the additional
Highway Patrolmen back into this county. God knows the need was
demonstrated, and the effectiveness was demonstrated. And I think that
if the 2 of you went up there and made a personal plea showing in hard
cold statistics, maybe, just maybe we might not get 100 back, but maybe
we would get 50 back. But I think that if the 2 of you went up there,
it would go a long way trying to help this situation. So, I would
hope whether it's in this motion or separate motion, or how, I personally
would like to see that.
Mr. Carollo: J. L., I don't think that needs to be put into a motion.
I think let's just do it and do it as soon as possible. Unless there's...
Mr. Plummer: Joe, what I would suggest, if possible, I think it's
important enough to demonstrate that any member of this Commission who could
go up would do so to make that plea in front of the Governor. Hey,
the Governor is down here pleading with us to help him. I don't have
any qualms to go up there and plead with him to help me.
Mr. Carollo: Are we ready to vote on this motion
Mr. L.icasa: Do you want to amend my motion? I will accept the
ara-lidme_nt .
^r. i']ununcr: Clue,: say it's not needed for a motion. I made my point.
I hope that this Commission could do something, and I think that that
would he a very visible way of demonstrating the need.
Mr. Carollo: "r. Giir1., can you make the appropriate arrangements
as Soon as pass it:1 e?
mr. C,-,rolio: Thank you, sir. We're ready to vote, Mr. Clerk.
:�';ivur Ferro: All right, further discussion? Call the roll.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-370
A MOTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER
TO IMMEDIATELY RELEASE AND MAKE AVAILABLE $500,000
FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY FUND TO BE USED AS OVERTIME
PAY IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DURING THIS PERIOD OF
CRISIS AND CRIME; FURTHER RESTATING THE FULL SUPPORT
OF THE CITY OF MIAMI COMMISSION TO THE CHIEF OF
POLICE TO USE k'HATEVER MEANS ARE NECESSARY TO
ENFORCE OUR LAWS AND STOP THIS CURRENT WAIVE OF
CRIME IN OUR CITY
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the motion was passed
.VA a(coptcd by the following vote:
AiF` : Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Comir.issioner Joe Carollo
Comx...issioner Armando Lacasa
N-1YOr Maurice A. Ferre
Nl)1.:1 : None
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
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Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, at this point in time, I'd like to make
several other motions, if I may. The types of murders, like we've
seen this evening, the attempted murder of Mr.. Caubi a couple of days
ago, this only shows this is being done by a bunch of low down
cowards that are being paid by somebody, in this Commissioners
opinion, to do this. I think that this Commission could do quite a
bit and take a lot of steps in the very near future. However, I
want to go on record tonight that we mean business. That we're not
going to let our community turn into a Dodge City, that we're not
going t let prominent people in our community be gunned downed and
murdered in our streets. Mr. Mayor, I know that times are hard and
our dollars are getting fewer and fewer, and we're cutting back in
many areas of this City, but I think that the best money that we could
start spending right now next to putting it into our Police Department
is, Mr. Mayor, by putting, this Commission going on record, the fathers
of this City going on record and putting a sizeable reward for the
apprehension of these criminals. Mr. Mayor, I want to make a motion...
Mayor Ferre: Go ahead.
Mr. Carollo: ....pf putting $50,000 of City of Miami's money for anyone
that provides information that leads to the arrest and conviction,
the murderers of Mr. Sarmiento. And included in this motion, I would
also like for the City of Miami to go on record or putting up a reward
^^ fnr any one that provides information that leads to the
arrest and conviction of the attempted murder of Mr. Caubi.
llavnr Ferre.: I would subscribe to that, but I think, Commissioner
Carollo, that you should make them both the same because even though,
thank Cod, Fernandez Caubi was not killed...
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, $50,000 it is for both. I think that...
Mr. Lacasa: I second the motion.
Mr. Carollo: ...this is going to help greatly in information that would
lead to?, h�,Cfu11v, with the help of God, solving these crimes.
Ferre: All right we have a meLion...
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, let mu just speak of conscience. I'm all
in favor of what Joe says because there's no question that that will
bring some of the worr;s out of the woodwork. I only have to speak
r.,v ,7en r.in' as it relates to equity. Equity to the point of what
happens tomorrow, the day after. Is this Commission going to be
able to stand up and tell the survivors of some other family we can't
put 50,000 more reward, and 50,000 more reward, and 50,000 more reward.
Unfortunately, we have had, I think 48 murders. How many this year?
Mr. Carollo: Going on 90, J. L.
Chief Harms: 87.
Mr. Plummer: 87. Well, 87 murders...
Mayor Ferre: And we're not even through April.
Mr. Plummer: Well, I understand. But what I'm... I'm only trying to
ocili"Ite equity. Now, if you take 87 towards $50,000, you know, I'm
... , I really am. But how do you say yes to this one and
sav no to other survivors that your loss is not as important as this
one.
Mayor Ferre: Well, I would like to answer...
Mr. Plummer: Tell me how I equate that in my mind.
M,avor Ferre: I would like to answer it with a ... one of my favorite,
' , -pink one of the great sayings...
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Mr. Plummer: I want to vote for the motion. Tell me how I can...
Mayor Ferre: Let me give you a philosophical reason. In the Jewish
faith, in the faith of our fathers, one of the great statements I think
of Western civilization goes like this, "It is not necessary to finish,
but neither can you desist from beginning." And we can't solve all
the problems for all the people, in all place, at all times because
we don't live long enough and we don't have all of the ability to do it
But certainly that does not give us an excuse not to start. We may not
be able to do that continually. Certainly I think we've reached the
point that a message has got to go out to those criminals that are out
there shooting people in broad daylight while their are walking their
dogs, or as they are walking out of their homes, that we will not
stand by with impunity. Somewhere in this community there are 2, 4,
or however many people were involved in todays and the day before yesterdays
shootings that are walking around scot-free and if there are people
who paid them to go do the shooting, God knows how many people are
involved in this type of thing. And I don't think that we can stand
idly by even though this is an act of frustration, I don't think we
have any other choice. Now, we'll have to deal with the other issues
as they come up. I don't think this has anything to do with Cuban,
or Anglo, black or white. If this same killing had occurred in this
same sequence today in the black community, or in the anglo community,
I would absolutely feel the same way. And I'm sure that we all feel
that way. But we've got to make a strong statement and it has to be
done dramatically, and it has to be done now. This cannot be put off.
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, I'm ready to vote.
Mayor Ferre: Further discussion on the motion as it has been presented?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, let me just, I guess, relieve my conscience
in one other area. It is not the indication of this vote that we are
going to do this in each and every case. That is understood, from
this day forward.
Mr. Carollo- That is understood, J. L., I think these are...
"r. ;''. ;:;:er: case this Commission might want to consider will be
cn ;in in,iividual basis.
Mr. Carollo: That is correct. These cases are...
Mr. Plummer: Okay. Let's try it and see what happens. I'm willing
to try.
Mr. Carollo: These cases are quite an exception, I think.
Mr. Plummer: I understand that.
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Clerk, can you read the motion again to make sure
it's fully understood.
Mr. Ongie: That the City Commission go on record to post a sizeable
reward in the amount of $50,000 for the apprehension, arrest, and
conviction of the killers of Mr. Sarmiento and of the attempted murder
of Mr. Fernandez Caubi.
Mr. Carollo: Luis Fernandez Caubi. $50,000 for each.
.%I. vi,dic: For both of the, yes, sir.
Mr. Plummer: All right. Now let me just ask one other question. Mr. Mayor,
you know, I now have to speak to the financial aspect, and I'll talk to
Mr. Cary. Mr. Gary, shouldn't there be a completion date. You know,
this $50,000 date can't be held for 20 years. How do we handle that?
Mr. Gary: Well, I think the best thing to .io is to make it effective.
until September 30, 1981. The end of the fiscal year.
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Mr. Plummer: All right, and then if we want, we can renew it at that
time as a line item.
Mr. Gary: Exactly. Because it's not a contract.
Mr. Carollo: That will be fine. That can be included in the motion,
Mr. Clerk.
Mayor Ferre: All right, the maker of the motion and the seconder accepts
that? That this be through September 31st which is the fiscal year and
at that time, we'll deal with it again.
Mr. Plummer: That's correct.
Mayor Ferre: Further discussion? Call the roll
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Carollo, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-371
A MOTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER
TO MAKE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THE AMOUNT OF $50,000
AS REWARD FOR INFORMATION LEADING UP TO OR RESULTING
IN THE APPREHENSION, ARREST AND CONVICTION OF THE
KILLERS OR MR. ALBERTO M. SARIMIENTO, AND A $50,000
REWARD FOR ANY INFORMATION LEADING UP TO THE
APPREHENSION, ARREST AND CONVICTION OF THE PERSON
OR PERSONS INVOLVED IN THE ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION
LUIS FERNANDEZ CAUBI; FUURTHER STIPULATING THAT SUCH
REWARDS SHALL RE1`'IAIN IN EFFECT UNTIL THE END OF THE
CURRENT FISCAL YEAR (1.960-1981); FURTHER STIPULATING
THAT THIS PROVISION IS NOT APPLICABLE TO LAW
ENFORCEME":T 01'FICERS
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
DURING ROLL CALL:
Mr. Plummer: I've got to ... my answer is yes, but let me bring up one
other point. That reward, as I remember, in normal circumstances does
not apply to City of Miami Police Department or... is that correct?
Chief?
Mr. Carollo: J. L., I think that it would be extremely improper for
officers that are paid to do that kind of job, to turn around and
ask for a reward such as that. I would think there would be a conflict
of interest.
Xr. Piummer: Okay. Joe, I want to clarify the record that this reward
does not apply to police officers.
Chief Harms: That's my understanding, yes, sir.
Mr. Plummer: No, I want it in the motion. Now, what is the wording
I want.
Mr. Gary: I'm not a lawyer, but I would say...
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Mr. Plummer: Chief, what is the wording I want?
Mr. Carollo: The wording is that we should put in a provision...
Mr. Gary: This provision is not applicable to police officers.
Mr. Carollo: To law enforcement officers of the. City of Miami.
Mr. Plummer: Is that with the agreement of the maker?
Mr. Carollo: Certainly.
Mr. Plummer: All right, fine. I vote yes.
Mayor Ferre: I'd like to bring something else out at this point. Ruth
Shack wrote a memorandum dated March 2nd to the honorable Mayor and
members of the Board of County Commissioners, which is entitled "A
proposal to Finance an Anti -Crime Reward Fund with Seized Drug Cash".
The key line here is this: my suggestion ... I want you to listen to
this because I think this is something that we ought to consider. This
is Shack's recommendation. My suggestion is simply this. Let us use
the outlaws money against them. Let's establish a reward fund with
their forfeited cash. Let's give innocent witnesses to murder a
good reason to come forward and identify the killers. Let's give
citizens with the knowledge of drug dealings a reason to pass that
information on secretly to the authorities. See, in the County there
is $600,000 of funds available from confiscated cash funds in drug...
no, sir. Have we done this.
Mr. Plummer: 4;e took the confiscated money and put it into the General
Fund and that's where that 50,000 is coming from.
Mayor Ferre: No, no. I'm not talking about the General Fund.
Xr. Pluru-,xr: NO, sir. The confiscated money by action of this
Cc�,:i:;sinn2 weeks ago, placed that confiscated money into the General
Fund.
Manor Ferre: I understand that. I'm not talking about that, that's fine.
Ifm all for it. I want to be very specific. I want to say I want
u:;cd as a special fund only for reward money for people who
turn :.: major evidence...
You have to bring up another resolution.
_c.y,)r Ferre: How much money is invovled in that?
"!r. Gary: About 50 or 60,000.
X.,y,)r Ferre: All right. Well, I think that any money that we
c01-11-iscate in these raids, we're always coming up with money, I think
that that money ought to be earmarked so that the drug gangsters
and all the criminal elements know that as we confiscate their money,
our Police Department, that that money is going to be used against
t..-.-M specifically, so that we can get information and establish a
partial war chest for people who turn in information in major crimes.
t'hh, Farms: Mr. Mayor, we're in the process of developing that kind
of fund, and the Greater Miami Crime Commission is in the process of
:cloping a program to utilize private funding for a reward system
t„r these kinds of crimes.
M:�yor Ferre: Chief, I want to make this as a very specific motion. Okay?
And I submit this to you, sir...
Chief Harms: I have a copy.
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Mayor Ferre: Oh, you have a copy of it. I'll submit it to the
Clerk. And my motion simply is that the monies that we have
previously confiscated that in are in recent months turned over to the
General Fund be earmarked to a special fund as reward money for
citizens with knowledge of major crimes, and you're going to have to
define all of that, Chief, that we set up a special account for
confiscated money to be used in this war against crime.
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, I second that motion. I think it's a very
appropriate motion and in the steps of the previous motion that we
made of putting $50,000 for the murder of Mr. Sarmiento tonight, and
the attempted murder of Mr. Caubi.
Mayor Ferre: Thank you, and...
Mr. Plummer: Might I suggest, Mr. Mayor, that you might one to go one
step further, because you know, the Police Department does in fact
confiscate more than just money. They confiscate boats, planes,
trucks, cadillacs........
Mayor Ferre: I accept...
Mr. Plummer: I assume that your mc.:ion is intended that those matters
would be resolved and sold and reduced to cash, and that would be
added to the fund. Is that correct?
Mavor Ferre: All inclusive. Now, I'd like to just, in very briefly
speaking to that motion, point out that I think...Plummer, your concern
is what prompts me to do this because I don't want anybody saying
well, just because this happened in Little Havana and we're all worried
about specific things that we would not do that elsewhere. I think
that answers that potential criticism. Okay?
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, I'm ready to vote. Call the question.
The following motion was introduced by Mayor Ferre, who moved its
adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-372
A MOTION AUTHORIZING AND INSTRUCTING THE CITY MANAGER
TO CAUSE ALL CONFISCATED MONIES AND/OR MONIES DERIVED
FROM THE SALE OF CONFISCATED ITEMS TO BE PLACED IN A
SPECIAL FUND, WHICH MONIES SHALL BE UTILIZED TO
COMPENSATE ANY PERSON WHO VOLUNTARILY COMES FORTH WITH
INFORMATION WHICH WILL HELP THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO
SOLVE MAJOR CRIMES -
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
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75. URGE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF I-LORIJA TO 1NCREASL TO 20
YEARS MINIMUM IMiPRISONMtENT FOR ANYONE CIF A FELONY
BY WHICH THE USE OF A FIREAi " WAS A:' ESSENTIAL- ELEMENT
Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, the other motion that I wanted to make, the
last Commission meeting I asked Mr. Knox to research and draft the
possibility of this Commission establishing an oru2inance that would give
a 20 year mandatory sentence to anyone that would use a firearm in the
course of a felony. As he stated to us that it's not possible. What
I would like to do is make a motion that this Cemnnission go on record
and lobby and encourage our State Legislature that what we want is crim-
inal control and I think that the best way that we could express that
is by approving a motion tonight recommending to our legislators--
J. L., you were saying?
Mr. Plummer: NS-5 is addressing, the resolution is already written out.
Mayor Ferre: On your Non -Scheduled items, 115.
Mr. Carollo: Well, he handed that resolution to us. The resolution is
here before us, and one that I asked George to write for us but I would
like to go one step further on that. 1) A resolutio;; strongly urging the
Florida Legislature to increase from 3 years to 20 years the minimum
number of years imprisonment required to be served by anyone convicted
of a felony in which the use of a firearm was an essential element. Mr.
Mayor, I would like to go one step further and is the Coamlission agrees
to incorporate it in this resolution. inat faro r step that I think
we need to go on record for is that anyone that uses a firearm to take
the life, or to try to take the life of another individual illt!galiy be
given a mandatory life sentence or the electric chair.
Mayor Ferre: All right, we have an amended motion f't; ch includes the
resolution - I'll till you, Joe, may I suggest, and I'm hoii to vote
for both of them, that you separate them into two motions?
Mr. Carollo: That's fine, Mr. Mayor. We'll take NS 1`6 first, a resolut-
ion urging the Florida Legislature to increase from 3 years to 20 years
the minimum number of years imprisonment required to be served by anyone
convicted of a felony in which the use of a firearm was an essential
element.
Mayor Ferre: There is a motion before us, is there a second?
Mr. Plummer: Second.
Mayor Ferre: Further discussion on Resolution NS #5?
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Carollo , who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-373
A RESOLUTION STRONGLY URGING THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE TO
INCREASE FROM THREE YEARS TO TWENTY YEARS THE MINIMUM
NUMBER OF YEARS IMPRISONMENT REQUIRED TO BE SERVED BY
ANYONE CONVICTED OF A FELONY Ih WHICH THE USE OF A FIRE-
ARM WAS AN ESSENTIAL ELEMENT AND DURING WHICH COMMISSION
THE DEFENDANT CARRIED, DISPLAYED, USED, THREATENED OR
ATTEMPTED TO USE A FIREARM.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plumm,m r, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
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AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodore R. Gibson.
Mr. Carollo: The next motion, Mr. Mayor, is a motion requesting the
Florida Legislature to make a mandatory life imprisonment sentence or
the electric chair to anyone that uses a firearm in murdering or trying
murder any individual.
Mayor Ferre: Or killing or maiming an individual illegally.
Mr. Carollo: Murdering or trying to murder an individual illegally, of
course.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, because there are cases where you can legally shoot
so:mc1ti,7dy protecting your life.
Mr. Carollo: Certainly, Mr. Mayor, we refer to illegally.
Mayor Ferre: I think this is a motion rather than a resolution because,
Mr. Kncx--- Where did Mr. Knox go? You have to do some legal research
^_1P sure that this is properly couched so that there are no consti-
L�LiQliui violations.
„r. Knox: Yes, sir, I indicated to the Clerk, however, that based upon
the motion I was suggesting to him that he communicate the essence of
the notion to the legislature right away and we'll draft a resolution
and l:resent it to you at the next meeting.
Mayor Ferre: All right, but I think you ought to work on the draft reso-
lution and get it approved verbally by each member of the Commission then
send a telegram tomorrow. Okay? Now, there is a motion before us, is
there a second to that motion? Is there further discussion on the motion
as presented?
Mr. : iunmiier: Mr. Mayor, I'm sorry, I have a problem with that motion and
"' till you what my problem is. I'm all in favor of capital
�,-1 pi punishment,
I have always been on record. Mr. Mayor, my teachings, my philosophy is
a life for a life, not attempted to take a life but a life for a life and
I just would have of conscience I could not vote to put a man in the elect-
ric chair who attempted to kill or maime.
Mayor Ferre: He didn't say that.
Mr. Plummer: Yes he did.
Mayor Ferre: He said or life imprisonment.
Mr. Plummer: Well, a part of it is capital punishment ior.....
Mr. Carollo: That is correct, J. L.
Mr. Plummer: I understand what he said very well and I'm much in favor
of c,nital punishment, I think it is a great deterrent but I cannot vote
for capital punishment except in the fact where a life was taken, now
I'm sorry. So I have to vote against the motion, if it is brought into
i have no problem but as it stands I cannot vote for it.
F,:,rre: I think that is why it is in the form of a motion, Mr. Knox,
rat-hor than a resolution because in effect that needs some refinement.
obviously, I don't think that anybody here is voting for or suggesting
that somebody go to the electric chair on an attempted assassination
i..lisu there may be extenuating circumstances that confuse the"issue.
What we're talking about, as I understood it anyway, is either the
cie�tric chair or life imprisonment depending on the circumstances but
it is une ur the other.
Mr. Carollo: That is correct, Mr. Mayor, the reason I stated one or the
oti;er is so a judge can make that final determination but that still gets
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the message across loud and clear that this community, hopefully this
State will mean business.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Carollo who moved its
adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-374
A MOTION STRONGLY REQUESTING THE FLORIDA LE:,ISLA.JRE TO FNAC7'
LEGISLATION IMPOSING A MAIJDATORY LIFE 1!-L?PISON!IENT OR DEATH
SENTENCE BY THE ELECTRIC CHAIR TO AI•IY PERSON i*vHO USES A FIRE
ARM IN CONNECTION WITH AN ASSASSINATION OR AN ATTEi!PTED
ASSASSINATION.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the motion was passed and
opted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollc
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre*
NOES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.**
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodore R. Gibson.
**Mr. Plummer: For the reasons stated I have to vote, no.
*Mayor Ferre: In voting, let me state that up until ma;be 2 fears igo I
was against capital punishment but like many other Americans as I have
seen the 3rastic impact of this rampant ascension of Milling not .just in
Miami but throughout America I'm afraid I've changed my position on that
and now I begrudging and reluctantly feel that we have no choice but to
go towards a more severe approach which means capital punishment. In vot-
ing for this resolution let me on the record state that I am in no way
recommending that people be executed in the electric chair for an attempted
murder of an individual but I do think that there is very little difference -
to me in an attempted murder and an actual murder and the difference is
sometimes an inch, a quarter of an inch - the bullet that struck the Presi-
dent 1� inches more it would have been in his heart. So I frankly don't
know, thank God the President lived but I don't know that that in any way
makes any difference as to the heinous nature of the crime. With regards
to the many mans unknown areas that the City Attorney is going to have to
delve into, for example, insanity, there may be many many areas that ob-
viously a judge is not going to impose that type of a penalty on a person
that is proven under process, under due psychiatric evaluation by a court
who was declared to be legally insane, those are different circumstances
so I think this is a motion in principle which needs a great deal of speci-
fic local refinement and on that premise and on that basis I vote yes.
76. RECOIMEND VICTIMS AND WITNESSES BE PERMITTED TO FILE AN
IMaiEDIATE DEPOSITION IN CONNECTION WITH CRIMES TO PREVENT
THEIR INCONVENIENCE AND FINANCIAL HARDSHIP IN COURT
APPEARANCES.
Mayor Ferre: Now, if there are no other resolutions on this I want, and I
hate to take the time at 11:35 but I think this is such an important thing
that I want to put it on the record to all of you. You may have missed the
April 22nd article in page 7B of the Miami News, I'm not going to read all
of it, I'm just going to read portions which I think since we missed it it
was on television several nights ago and I wanted to read this to you.
Channel 10's investigative reporter Clarence Jones describes Dade's Courts
as a kind of open air market in a remote village where the commodity is
Justice. rower than 10% of all criminal charges are decided by a jury, he
reports, most of the rest are settled in the hallways after which a judge
certifies the bargain struck between defense and prosecutor. Plea barrainir.;
is tolerated because each of Dade's 13 criminal judges gets about 90 cases a
week and Judge Gerald Kogen says you can only try 3 if you are very luck.
One-fourth of all charges are dismissed because a witness fails to show.
However, witnesses who remain cooperative often suffer intolerable abuses,
frequently they are asked to miss work three or four times to appear in
court without being asked to testify. One victim caught someone stealing
his hu'cub complained he lost more money appearing in court than it would
have cost him to replace them. Other witnesses are intimidated by fear of
reprisal ... And this article goes on and on and on to site these
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unbelievable things that are going on in the judicial system. Judge
Thomas Scott concedes that in non-violent cases he tends to sentence
probation. lie and his colleagues have little choice because Florida
is under federal mandate to reduce its prison population, sending a non-
violent criminal might mean releasing a violent one to make room. Assem-
bly line justice goes a step further than most documentaries, Jones offers
a solution to the judicial chaos. He suggests that when a crime is com-
mitted everyone involved - alledged perpetrator, victim, witness and ar-
resting officer be taken downtown imumediately for deposition, eliminating
the need for many iater appearances. At first the people we talked to
said you can't do that. then they think about it for a while and they say
maybe. Now, I would like to make a motion that we take up Clarence Jones'
recorimendati<,n and till'. we recommend to the appropriate powers in the
Legislature a:ri in ';i,? criminal justice system that whenever there is a
crime omm t*.'ii th:3t everyone involved, the alledgea perpetrator, the
v1':t1tCi, the 'wi t''If2ss and the arresting o: fir.er be taken downtown immediately
for depositio.is eliminating the need for later appearances and I so move.
'I'hry fo11.µ?r:q motion was introduced by Mayor Ferre who moved its
a:;CW-1<1n:
llli, 81- i 5
.'" .. . :*i�.;_.._:i�'i it '.- •..1L".Ji'.._ i' ii:..:. :v'_, E::.>. , 5;'iiTl-:
-'C. .... MCC'12 'A' T:, N 'rd'S :.; i TO SPECIFI-
....1.'i WIT::i._ :ES TL CRI'dES
_..':., :. i CARDING SAID
PR)CEDURL k'.-,U'iD NEGATE THE NECESSITY
WITNESSES BEIt;':J P:i:QUiRED TO APPEAR AT
1'r'I;;GS ':;iI "Ii .'A' SES THEM INTOLERABLE IN-
i ....:.;1`.., :i: TEti'_'i:: CI :I.'1E. AND MONETARY CONSIDERATIONS.
u�.. i, _'�•; �•.lssicr;er C:roilo, the motion was passed an•3
�,._ .. ,_�;!eCoroIIo
r. .s:.Z oner Armandc Lacasa
.,o.-%;issi-cner L. i iu ^per, Jr.
:'avor Xiurlce A. Ferre
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ii. PXCOWlEND PUBLICATION OF STEPS TAKEN TO COMBAT CRIME BY
THE CITY OF MTAMI AND METROPOLITAN DADE COUNTY.
Y"yor Ferre: If. you will forgive me, I'm going to not read the whole thing
r-ut 1':r, wing to just read parts of it and then I'm going to make copies of
i.t for you. "Marie's husband, Don, is with Senator Claude Pepper traveling
in Guam, the Phillippines and Hawaii on government business. He sends this
A,.2 ii Meal; c:uitorial of the lionolulu Advertiser, a newspaper in Hawaii. There
are at least tw6 points to be made about the stories on crime in Miami and the
concerr, tht it will affect tourism from Great Britain, an important and grow-
i;;, market to the Suuthern Florida city. One is that the reports point out
::«t crime is an increasing concern in a number of tourist centers, the other
1" f1"It the Miami experience once again indicates the need for visitor areas
t, ti!,,jw they are doiny something about the crime problem. It is no real com-
f(.;rt to Hawaii to know that Miami also has problems - we can, of course, say
but it does help to put the issue in perspective for ourselves
.I:,l 101 uthL)s arc,snd the nation. Now, in the same vein we noted recently
r rlmr, nationally is such a problem that it was the cover story of both
:.r. and Newsweek magazines last month. Despite some bad lapses, Hawaii
still seems to be better off than other parts of the country. New Orleans,
orie of the nation's most attractive tourist areas also has its share of
u:.al grime problems if we are to judge by some of the clippings. The
l-,a(-,a of the. Times and the States Item, the leading news-
i:,, r or:e day this month had major crime stories with the headlines that
rt:.zci,Violence Stalks Schools, Scares Students and Teachers", "Slain Student's
�: .... .-,4:,.i in New Orleans Neighborhood", "School Burglaries, Thefts costly"
acid so on. But if the fact that Hawaii is not alone in its serious problemb
c-.:,cs to be kept in mind. That does not mean we should try to minimize or
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try to ignore the issue. In the Miami situation, what is noteable is that:
the Regional British Consulate in Atlanta has expressed concern and is now
warning Britains on holidays to stay away from high crime areas in Miami
and in response Miami tourist officials are concerned about the possibility
of losing some $360,000 British tourists expected this year are reported
taking steps to combat crime against visitors. The I:iami image that emerges
then is of a serious situation but one where the industry and others are
active. Now the nation views Hawaii - and it toes on to talk about Hawaii
and it closes as follows: More can, should and will be done to make Hawaii
safer for visitors as well as for our own people. Indeed it is part of
the same problem and ultimately visitors can't be protected unless local
residents are safe as well. As with the pollution Problem a decade ago that
also gave Hawaiian tourism a black eye in a rash of national media stories,
the only real answer to the crime problem is to clear it up and win recog-
nition for the effort. This is another area where Hawaii must aspire to
national leadership. Now, gentlemen, I'd like to point this out to you.
Obviously Miami is not the only place that has serious criminal problems,
as is noted in this editorial and it was a feature story in Time and it-,
Newsweek, nor is this a matter that just concerns a certain part of our
community.
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;,: T YC : For example, in :Miami on a proportional basis the com-
munity most affected and afflicted by crime is the black community. So it
is not something that. is a problem for the tourist industry or for the down-
town area or for Little Havana or anywhere else, it is a problem that is
afflicting everycnri of us and the whole of us as a society. Now, I would
recom;aend, f1.,:. Gary, and I'll put it in the form of a motion, that the City
of Miami in ccr, uaCti.or. with Metropolitan Dade County on a quarterly basis
F111,3 isl, the steps that it has taken to combat crime, I think we need to tell
the wo::ln that we are not taking this lightly and that we are going to do
everything within our power and within our means, as this editorial in
Hawaii so ably puts, that if Hawaii is aspiring for national leadership and
recognition that the only real answer to the crime problem is to clean it
up an-_� wiri roc : :,itio:, for that effort. I thhink we should pursue it in
ti,at vcr� dare . lac ro::; .:a, and as we go out and do the things that we are
dc;in.; T this„cuid be properly published and distributed and
I want. to tell you, I want to share with you a com-
.aen c rl er just a moment ago. I wrote this thing
anJ she: redrafted it. The Mayor of .Miami is
q..c •_ci r. sta _�:.�. ....> .Bice we wart to avoid becoming Dodge City-1981.
A lo'_ _ 1 ;,:_ rare _..: c to ;et uj set with that i:ind of a statement but
aterjents are Le Li made ar',}ti:ay. Those state-
c. and in heaaIines ail over this globe.
what does it say? Miami/Hawai.i
wa; t_) .. in tiawai; when they talk about crime
....... chat isn't jest something that is being
h,_adline is hitting us in every major news-
l:ate_, the world. So I don't think it needs
c:: t:nyboa, to say what is obvious -
have to do is look at the other
fci to face this issue foresquare and
about it because one of the prob-
la;, wt have been doing a hell of a lot about it and
it. And I think it is time for us to start,
went, is he here? I <uess he got tired and
here I thought I was talking to the
t:,a:_ we need, Chief, to also make a point that we're
lny, :Ding, nothing. I think part of the problem in
h;. ;: '.ty ti.&t we're getting internationally is that everybody talks
i,•, ivama except the people in Miami who go around
der., zr.,: it is time for us to rdmit that we have this prob-
1e.n nt:t tc Z.:.<<,� hLA!_,. t ;:_'re doing something about it. And I'm asking
an:. 7'r.• g,.. nc c .�t it i..- t::L fort, of a u:c-�.o : that this City of Miami in
metropolitan Dade County, and Mr. Manager, I would like
fo. yc'.- tv talk tc !-Ix. Merritt Stierheim and do it as a joint proposition
that Un a quarterly basis we publish and put out for the world the informa-
tion a:, tc what we're doing to cor^,bat crime in this community.
followinq motion was introduced by Mayor Ferre who moved its
MOTION NO. 81-376
A MOTION Ali HOPSZING AND DIRECTING TFX CITY MANAGER TO CONTACT
TFiE APFRC-FRIATE OFFICIALS AT METROPOLITAN DADE COUNTY TO DIS-
C2Sc 7-aE POSSIBLE IMPLEMENTATION OF A JOINT QUARTERLY PUBLICA-
T' :,:: THE STEPS WHICH HAVE BEEN AND ARE TO BE WIDELY
i%I :: F" BUTF'D TO THE LOCAL AND INTERNATIONAL MEDIA IN AN EFFORT
T^ 1KFC)RM POTENTIAL VISITCRS ALL OVER THE WORLD THAT THESE
C :ATLCI"LF_P;TAL BODIES ARE ACTING IN A VERY POSITIVE MANNER TO
REE,UCE AND/OR ELIMINATE CRIME FROM THE GREATER MIAMI AREA.
L'r• .:. } 1:,; becanded by Corranissioner Plummer, the motion was passed and
opted by tie following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. FFerre
NOES: None. 178
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Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, let me finalize it by having the City Manager
commit suicide. He's new and we had might as well give him his full dose
of fire. one Commissioner is already on the record - Mr. Carollo, I want
you to hear this, sir. Mr. Manager, you have heard from one Commissioner,
I would like to second his motion to the point, or his comments to the point
of the 1,200 policemen for next year. I want to be realistic and I want to
say that I'm hopeful that we can go to the 1,000 mark. What I'm really
saying to you, Mr. Gary, I think that this administration has done a fine
job this year which I will tell you from the beginning I don't think was
going to be accomplished but it looks like it will be in cranking up the
recruitment program to get us to the 814. I don't want that recruitment
program to abate if that goal is reached to where we would have to crank it
up with another $100,000 to get it in action again to get us up to the 1,000.
So I'm going to say to you, Mr. Gary, that I am going to be looking at 1,000
policemen at the end of 1982 fiscal year. Mr. Gary, I want to also remind
you, sir, that budgets now take four -fifths to pass. Sleep tight, Mr. Gary.
Mayor Ferre: All right, anything else?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Manager, since the Chief has obviously left, knowing both
parties I think this Commission would like to be kept appraised of what is,
on a daily basis of the two individuals, Mr. Sarmiento and Mr. Cubia as to
what is progressing in the investigation and any latest developments, I think
that we would like to know that.
Mayor Ferre: And furthermore the Chief had some other recomendations which
we did not address and because of the lateness of the hour I don't think we
should get into it but I would like, Mr. Gary, for the Chief to come back
with specific recommendations in resolution form with plenty of advanced
notice for the Commission to study and discuss.
Mr. Carollo: Well, Mr. Gary, what I would like tyou to get is a copy of the
statement the Chief was reading from that he had written there so that I
could more thorouchly look at the reco=nendatior,s he was reading from there.
76. PROVIDE T4IG ADDITIC:�AL ALTERNATE MEtiBER POSITIONS -
t1IA 1I WATERFRONT BOARD.
Mr. PILLrmer: For the record, Mr. Gary, I see that you recommend but I'm as-
suming that the Waterfront Board also recommends.
Mr. Gary: Yes, Mr. Sorg has reviewed what we have prepared and he concurs.
The following resolution was introduced by Co.•mnissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-377
A RESOLUTION AMENDING SECTIONS 2, 4 Ah'D 13 OF RESOLUTION
NO. 79-172, MARCH 8, 1979, WHICH CREATED AND ESTABLISHED
THE MIAMI WATERFRONT BOARD, BY PROVIDING Ti90 ADDITIONAL
ALTERNATE MEMBER POSITIONS ON SAID BOARD Al,"M INCLUDING
WITHIN THE DUTIES AND FUNCTIONS OF SAID BOARD THE POWER TO
REVIEW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COMMISSION CON-
CERNING ALL WATERFRONT ISSUES INCLUDING THE PROPOSED MARINE
DEVELOPMENT ON WATSON ISLAND.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson.
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i9. REAPPOINT STUART SORG AS A M MBER OF THE MIAMI WATERFRONT
BOARD.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, I would like to in a related item since there is a vacancy
there, and I have talked to Father Gibson and for the record I asked him to
say on the record here but he wasn't feeling well and he left, he would like
to see Mr. Stuart Sorg reappointed.
Mr. Plu=er: But how many vacancies are there, Mr. Mayor?
Mayor Ferre: There are four or five but for now let's not get into the others.
mr. Sorg has been the chairman and that thing needs to have some kind of
direction until the re-elect their new chairman. I would like to move that
Mr. Sorg be reappointed.
b:r. Guri: Mr. Mayor, you're familiar that the board selects the Chairman,
Ferre: Yes.
0kay .
A`v a F::re: we cannot select the Chairman, I'm just reappointing him as a
;c,a;nbe: tiny :.f he gets re-elected as chairman that's his business.
review to me who the vacancies are, please? Give me the
(,lfredo Rodriguez: Corudssioner, Reid Reynolds representing the yacht
• , ,�, ic,-e ;nderson representing the marina tenants.
r-;;.F r�;::c<< _.••_; the City Commission or appointed by the City
there is a vacancy that was unfilled,
e :, :_:a: ios Ye c- c. also in Group VT which is Commis-
r. al:rcin•.nr nts.
Ferre: Ant Sort,
. r. ric,E:. „nd, of ccurse, Sorg.
A:1d all we're doing today is reappointing Sorg and then we
a t t-(- V;aterfront Board, don't they recommend to us like the DDA?
._ . . _ .. a?.' of them, Mr. Mayor.
X Well, if you reappointing Surg ti►at will bring the level to 5
-., r, will. afford them a quorum assuming that all five show up for the next
..:eet_rr
cr z-rr:re: 7 see.
4�. Caro:lo: What is the motion and the second on the floor.
mi-.vor F(,rre: The motion is to reappoint Sorg. His time has run out and....
Car,11o: Do we have anybody else to pick from besides him or is he the
There are five vacancies and this is a sixth vacancy that we're
t};is there are five that still remain vacant. So come up with
r r,mr.endatroris after, please. Joe, the reason why I'm doing this is
right now they can't have any kind of meetings of any sort and it re-
c":.res five for a quorum, there are four. If we appoint Sorg then at least
1.1-iEy're able to....
^fir. rl?-m ner: Mr. Knox, what is in the back of my mind that all appointees
a:r appointees until they're replaced?
No, they had terms.
Mz. Knox: Yes, that has to do with..... There is a precedent relative to
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what you are suggesting, Mr. Plummer, I can recall the the Civil service
Board had not had its election for a period of time and we did render a
legal opinion that the persons who are in place would continue to serve
until their successors were chosen.
Mr. Plummer: I thought there was.
Mayor Ferre: One way. or the other, I would like to reappointing Stuart Sorg
to the Board and that is one out of the six that are available.
The following motion was introduced by Mayor Ferre who moved its
adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-378
A MOTION REAPPOINTING MR. STUART SORG AS A MEIMER OF THE
MIAMI WATERFRONT BOARD.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the motion was passed and
opted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: commissioners Joe Carollo and Theodore Gibson.
80. APPOINTMENT OF PERSONS TO THE CITY OF MIA -MI AFFIXIATIVE
ACTION ADVISORY BOARD.
Mayor Ferre offered the following names in nomination: Charles Johnson,
Dana Chapman, Raul Pozo and Jose Mendez. Commissioner Lacasa offered the
name of Lawrence Crawford.
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plumper, who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-379
A RESOLUTION APPOINTING CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS TO THE CITY
OF MIAMI AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ADVISORY BOARD.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk.)
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Lacasa the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor Theodore R. Gibson.
181 APR 23 1981
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81. APPOINT GF.RALD GREEN TO THE CITY OF HIAIU AFFIRMATIVE
ACTION ADVISORY HOARD.
T'ir following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
RESOLUTION NO. 81-380
A Iii.'SOLUTION APPOINTING GERALD GREEN TO THE CITY AFFIRMATIVE
ACTION ADVISORY BOARD A14D CONFIRMING THE DESIGNATION OF SUCH
INDIVIDUAL AS BEING SELECTED BY A CERTIFIED BARGAINING REPRE-
SENTATIVE OF CITY EMPLOYEES.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
a.n the Office of the City Clerk.)
U,>on being seconded by Commissioner Carollo the resolution was
,assed and a.arted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
Theodore R. Gibson.
c: hi TGI: I-:R. RAY RODFuGUEZ AS A I1E,' BER OF ThM MIA!;I AUDIT
iC3't'I50 :'i COX' !TTEE.
c,:: the City of Miami Audit Advisory Committee, do you have
�:. mi . ma-yor, 1 have no one to offer.
Mnvor Farr, ;.i i rintit, Mr. Lacasa has a member that he wishes to recommend.
x,r. :,acasa: t wo),i : 4 Y.e to recommend Mr. P.sy Rodriguez, a CPA for the past
dears wit;; the firm. of C.P.A. is Haskins and Sells, he is a member of the
rica:. I-:stitute of CPA's and the Florida institute of CPA's, the Greater
Chamber of Commerce and the Kiwanis Club of Little Havana, he has a
T,:A;or from the University of Miami.
�.h . F1'.Lr-ner : Let mc: ask a question of Mr. Lacasa. Does Haskins Sells do any
i:usiness with the City of Miami?
M.r. Gary: No, it doesn't.
�:r. Carolle: Mr. Mayor, there were going to be how many vacancies again,
one for each one?
X!. Mr. Mayor, you need to decide whether you want Mr. Rodriguez to
be fcr one year, twc years or three years.
Mayc,r Ferre: Well, we'll decide that when we get the others. For now he
is a one year appointment and we may extend him to some other. Okay?
There are five members, not three.
Mr. Plummer: There are five members, only three appointed by the Commission,.
Mr. Gary: night.
Mayor Ferre: who appoints the others?
Mr. Gary: One Commissioner, you have to select one of yourselves.
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Mr. Plummer: Joe, do you want to be Chairman of the Audit Advisory Board?
Mr. Carollo: Does this mean that I can keep track of all the mis-spent
money that is spent in this City? Is that what it means, Howard? That I
can have all kinds of these little one to one meetings just like the other
day that I enjoy so much?
Mayor Ferre: The Chair apoints Mr. Joe Carollo without, if there are no
misgivings on anybody's part, we will....
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa who moved its
adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-381
A MOTION APPOINTING MR. RAY RODRIGUEZ TO SERVE ON THE MIAMI
AUDIT ADVISORY C0W41TTEF..
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the motion was passed and
opted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
AncENT t',-e-.. r T',ieo ore R. r., son. -, b.:
OF ITE';: °1.201330 Fo;.
passed in the
- c two vehicles o:
as long as I can get
K ::e �ot4sssion, a fact was
r. E: at.icr, and maybe this
the department, as
he fvit t'r,at possibly, not this
t-eie was a voss.bility of doing the
..�• o6t t,at there is no such way.
.: u:_st l:ossiLly the Fire Department could
tn--;—c:; o: r.his and see if we can get a
k.ca1 I'm c,ozng to tell you I'm going to put
o: tne taLle. The problem with the war wagon...
Tne war wagon we've approved, that's
ev<rything but the rescue medical vehicle.
Ot
c ..'rc correct.
}:.r.;r.✓ I'm correct.
�•: <,� k�:i;, it is according to what you call a war wagon, The equipment
APR 231981
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transportation vehicle you approved which transports large amounts of
equipment ---
Mr. Plummer: That's right.
Mr. Gary: Then you have the I.D. Disaster Vehicle which process mass
arrests.
Mr. Plummer: That's right.
Xr. Gary: Now, the equipment transportation vehicle obviously takes the
helmets, the gas masks, batons to the affected areas.
Mr. P.uRcr•:ter: That's commonly referred to as the "War Wagon". Look, here
is my point, let me just make my point then you all....
b-r. Carollo: What's the matter, Howard, don't you watch 5tarsky & Hutch?
_r. Plurner: He don't even know how to ride a motorcycle.
nayor Ferre: But J. L., let me finish the statement that I was making to
!-award. Howard, the problem in this is with the black community in the
rterception of what this all means. If you tell me you feel that this is
an appropriate expenditure then I'm ready to vote for it, Plummer.
Mir. Pita ner: Can I make my point?
Mr. Carollo: I want to ask a question. Are we getting ready or expecting
another riot? Because if we're not, my God, we're sure prepared for war.
mean do you feel, Howard, that we're going to be faced with a riot real
loan?
Gary: That's hard to predict, Commissioner Carollo, but my recommenda-
,cicr. in view of my experience in the last civil disturbance is one of the
:rok:..ems that we had was that we had a lot of people with injuries in the
_ affected area any it was very very difficult for us to go in and retrieve
them. from that area. And as a result, a lot of people lost a lot of blood
and it. weren't for people risking their lives a lot of people could have
ule
I tend to disagree with you to some extent why people
Lost a Ict �:,f blood. I think that there were quite a few factors that were
hca: ly imvcived why people lost a lot of blood. I think that some of the
decisions that were made including the lack of manpower was greatly responsi-
ble for that. There were several factors, these were some of them. Now,
.ny ::uesticn is, Howard, the bottom line is that we had a civil disturbance,
:t was very unfortunate, the last one we had was how many years back prior
to that?
Mr. Gary: About 12 years.
Carollo: I would much rather see putting the money in additional manpower
+han patting it into something that might in mothballs for 10-20 years. I
_pink that this community has grown considerably since the civil disturbance
that w-2 had. I'm extremely co-fident that we're not going to see any more
riots ir, the future to come. when I see this community being rampaged by
crime, murder, rape, robbery, when I see the poverty that we have it this
-or, unity in Liberty City, Overtown, Little Havana, right here in Coconut
Gzeve, I just have to shake my head upon seeing all these thousands upon
thousands of dollars being spent on something that is probably going to be
put into, mothballs for years and years. Again, well, this is one of the most
large examples of what I've been trying to say. We have "X" amount of dol-
lars, we have to make priorities. What is more priority, what is happening
_..�t cur far^ilies, our children can't even walk in the streets
without feeling snsafe, our elderly persons don't even feel safe at home.
Wt,at is more important, putting that money in uniformed police officers on
the streets or to spend $80,000 plus dollars on a tank that might never be
used?
Mayor Ferre: Look, I think we know the issues on both sides. Now let's
see what the will of this Commission is. Make your motion, Plummer.
Mr. Plurimer: Mr. Mayor, my second thoughts after we talked about this before,
the "War Wagon" as Joe refers to is for equipment. The mobile I.D. is for
mass arrests. Mr. Mayor, neither one of those vehicles are addressing the
i
problem of possibly saving a life. The vehicle denied was for that purpose.
Any of us that were around remember the Police Department trying to go in
and effect the removal of injured people from the situation and could not.
This will afford them that vehicle to do that and I'm only stating for the
record that if I had to vote over I would vote to try and save the life first
before I put the mass arrest vehicle or the "War Wagon". I'm merely bringing
that to your attention.
Mr. Carollo: J. L., see that is my problem too. i'r,, about lives
but I'm more concerned about the lives that we're Icsing every day. You see,
the Chief was wrong, we're up to some 88 if not 89 murders in our City today.
I'm more concerned about the daily murders that we're having in our City
today not about what might happen 10-15 years from now if ever again and I'm
in agreement with you. If you want to trade the other two vE;iicies, the I. D.
Vehicles, the other one that was approved for this one that ,u cht be a solu-
tion in doing it.
Mr. Gary: Mr. Carollo, if I could respond. First of all. lez me go back to
the emergency situation we had last Pay. I know roe & fa_t that we had at
least 2 individuals who were trapped in a neighborhood could no: be
brought out and if it weren't for Ms. Georgia Jones X;,.r, zis�:i�:g her life
to go in that crowd to get them out there may have Lr:en two r-,-)re aeaths. We
also had police officers that were trapped in the are., it became very
difficult for us to get out. Not let me go further t.. : _:orient t;.rre. I've
_ had discussions with the Police Chief and we have sump in Liberty
City right now. As a result - well, let me go Lack tc ]as-.-eekend, I think
it was last Saturday. We had two or three officers ar.t:s:.ed a guy. As
the result of that arrest we had about 15 or 20 members of the community sur-
rounding him. What they had to do was - what I'd like to tell the Chief is
they had to retreat for a better position. They had to leave the guy there
and they had to run for their lives. Now, I see this vehicle not only in tears...
Mr. Carollo: Excuse me, Howard, how zany officers did we have there?
N.r. Gary: We had about 3.
Mr. Carollo: And how larae of a crowd did we have?
Mr. Gary: About 15 or 20.
Hr. Carollo: There is something terribly wrong when our P31ice Department
has reached a point in time that 3 of our officers can't handle a situation
like that.
Mr. Gary: Commissioner, if I could respond to that, I think the interest
of the officers at that time was not only one of safety for themselves but
also safety for the community in terms of not trying to incite a riot.
Mr. Carollo: That's exactly what I mean. If our officers feel that they're
out there handcuffed then we have a serious problem. A;d Howard, I'm going
to make it a personal priority of mine to go in that Police Department and
spend some time to find out why officers feel that they're handcuffed. Now,
I'll tell you where I stand. I'll be more than happy tc have another little
get together and go over what has been approved up to now and reconsider
what is being presented to us now and see if we could really compror-,dse in
putting priorities. And for instance, that vehicle that we approved for mass
arrests, well, maybe that is something that we coul3 put aside. I think you
know what I mean, Howard.
Mr. Gary: Sure.
Mr. Carollo: So I'll make it a motion to defer th!6 , I-.1 b� .:ore than happy
to get. together with you at your convenience.
Mayor Ferre: All right, there is a :r,uticn to deiCr t... is there a
second? I'll second the motion for the purpose of ct:t.riny.
Mr. Plummer: Are you going to defer all of NS-2?
Mr. Carollo: I'm deferring what was presented to us tonight, J. L.
Mr. Plummer: But not the equipment.
Mr. Carollo: J. L., as far as the equipment - helmets, billy clubs and what
have you, that was approved last week as I understood it.
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Mr. Gary: Din.
Mr. Plummer: No, that's why it is back here tonight.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, see, that was in a motion before and what this does is
as follows: -----
Mr. Carollo: I don't have all these yellow papers that were handed out, I
don't know when.
Mr. Plummet: Joe, it is on the one I gave you.
Mr. Carollo: Okay, what is this $120,000 going exactly for now, Howard?
Let's have a breakdown. Is this including.....
Mayor Ferre: Hey, listen, with all due respects to all of you it's almost
12:30, we've got another very long item, these people have been waiting as
long as we have, at least 10 or 12 hours. I would recommend, you're making
a motion that this item be deferred until the next meeting, give you time
to look at this, get together with the Chief, get together with Howard and
get together with Plummer, I'm going to second that motion and that automat-
ically does it because there are four members of the Commission. Is that
correct? So, I mean why don't you just withdraw the thing until the next
meeting. Okay? Then we don't have to vote on it and go on record. Okay?
So Mr. Carollo, would you before the next meeting meet with the Chief, meet
with Howard? And I think you also ought to meet with Plummer on it too.
Mr. Carollo: Sure, I enjoyed his company the other day.
84. F_F.7EF DISCUSSICN XND DEFERRAL OF ITEM: REVIEW OF
CERTIFICATES OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY (TAXICABS).
N'rvor Ferre: hIr. Lacasa introduces the City Manager to conduct a review and
U ref-:t C": all ex_sti:.c- certificates of public convenience and necessity
issue !7 the City Coro-r.ission for taxicabs.
Nw, this question was brought up before and months, several
_. t;.er., na".Q elapsed and we still have not only no solution but not even a re -
on the --ituation is. The question is the question raised by the taxi
drive-rs. The last time that we had licenses issued was about 30 years ago,
rare Cr less. The City of Miami has increased its population and, therefore,
its neeris and there haven't been anymore licenses issued. On top of that, the
corip:aint of the taxi drivers that they are being exploited is still right
there so we ieferrL' this question to the administration and also to the City
Attorney for a report and I guess that neither one is ready at this point so I
would appreciate very much if we had something on this by the Meeting of the
15th of May and, therefore, this item will be deferred, at least I move that
it be deferred and that we wait for a report from the administration and also
the City Attorney on this and not only a report but some kind of a possible
solution, some kind of recommendation and suggestion.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, so there is no action on this.
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05. DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED METRO SPORTS AUTHORITY.
Mayor Ferre: NS-7, I'd like to start off the discussion by very quickly say-
ing that this is a resolution to Metropolitan Dade County as passing, we don't
have to move on it at this point. I have some objections to it and I would
recommend that we when the time comes to discuss the Orange Bowl and the
other things which are part of that which affects us. I would recommend to
the County that they not use, for example, the Dade County Sports Authority.
Nobody beyond I would say St. Lucie County really knows where Dade County is
and I really think it is kind of ridiculous to have a Dade County - I would
like to tell the County Commission that they look at what the Elilisboroueh Com-
mission did. Now they kind of didn't get parochial about this and they Hills-
boro Sports Authority is called the Tampa Bay Authority. Now I really recom-
mend that they name this this Greater Miami Sports Authority rather than the
Metropolitan Dade County Authority. In other words Metropolitan Dade County
Sports Authority doesn't mean anything except here. I think that they ought
to call it the Greater Miami Sports Authority, now that's one recommendation.
The second recommendation is if they really expect for us to turn over some
of these valuable assets I would hope that they would be a little bit more,
that they would give us the opportunity to appoint more members to this author-
ity. In the case of Hillsboro County, it is 4 members from the City, 4 mem-
bers from the County and one appointed by the Governor. okay? And I think
that would give everybody the opportunity to be a little bit happier. Now,
Z _ to get, for example, the annual audit report should really
also come to the City of Miami as Mr. Jennings points out. The short stagger-
ed tenure of members appears to be inadequate to provide adequate continuance
for dealing with questions of long-term importance, I think that is a valid
criticism. There is no mention of how the authority will be funded for oper-
ational expenses and how deficits and surpluses will be dealt with. Well,
that is something that I think they've got to clarify. There has been no
City input to the document. So I think obviously we cannot tell the County
what to do or what not to do, I think we should ask Mr. Jennings or you, Mr.
Gary, if you wish to do it to call Mr. Stierheim and ei.-1:'ain to him, and I
don't know what the will of this Commission is, that obviously we'd be will-
ing to discuss these matters with him but that we have certain concerns that
we hope they would take into account.
Mr. Lacasa: Well, Mr. Mayor, I would like to make at this point one thing
very clear. This memorandum includes in Item "B" an item that says that if
by April 1, 1983 the City has not conveyed title to the Orange Bowl and Base-
ball stadium to the Sports Authority then the City loses representation on
the Authority Board - as far as I am concerned I don't believe that we now
or by 63 or every shall divest ourselves of these two properties and I would
say that it should be, at least this is my position and I will actively lobby
for this, that we tell Dade County that this is completely out of the ques-
tion that the City will not divest itself from these properties, we might
enter into agreements, leases, sub -leases, any kind of agreement but the
properties are our's. The Orange Bowl specifically is one of the very few
major stadiums in the United States which is paid for or practically paid
for and it is a very valuable piece of property and these is no reason why
the City of Miami has to divest itself from that property. This happened a
few years ago and almost destroyed the City, we will know that we lost to
the County plenty of valuable properties and now we are seeing that the
same situation is beginning to be raised again so as far as this vote is
concerned this is completely and totally out of the question, I feel that
we do have a responsibility to the citizens of the City of Miami and that
is to protect their property and this is their property on which they have
pain tnroiiohnut the years and we should not divest ourselves of this prop-
s:. 1 .
Mayor Ferre: 1n the first place they haven't paid there has not been one
cent of taxpayers' money go into that, as you all know. Let me finish.
In the second place, I think we have to be very careful not to be parochial
on this matter. For example, let me ask you this: If the Sports Authority
came back and said to you, Mr. Lacasa and to the members of this Commission,
"All right, we are willing to buy the FEC property, we're going to go into
a major bond issue for that, we are going to build a brand new football/
-na we're going to call it the Footfall/Baseball
Stadium and we are going to bring a major league baseL)all tears to Miami and
we're going to keep the Dolphins and yes, we will call it the Greater Miami
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Sports Authority and yes, we're going to give you more representation, we'll
be like Tampa, we'll go to a 4-4 or 4-3 or whatever, and we're going to do
all of these different things, I'm going to tell you right now that I don't
have any problems with that. So I cannot preclude what this Sports Author-
ity is going to come up with and I think it is just, this does not require
anything from us at this time and I would hope that this Commission would be
broad guaged and broad-minded enough to keep in mind that there are alterna-
tives that might be acceptable to us.
Mr. Lacasa: Well, Mr. Mayor, I want you to know that this Commissioner is
going to be very narrow minded as far as giving away property of the City of
Miami. As I told you before when we went through that exercise a few years
ago and we lost the libraries, the Port of Miami, the Airport, the Water and
Sewers Dept. and we didn't lose the City because somewhere, somehow it stops
when we were going to lose our parks too, so if this is going to start being
the trend again I want you to know that from the very beginning I want to
stop it and the buck stops right here as far as I am concerned.
Mayor Ferre: It stopped because the City of Miami got a new Mayor. But I
want to tell you in 1973, but I want to tell you that look at what resulted
from our turning over the City of Miami library to Metropolitan Dade County,
we've gotten a library ten times bigger right smack in the middle of downtown
Miami, so you know -----
Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Mayor, if we vote here to incorporate the City of Miami to
Dade County then we might have even a bigger and larger governmental body.
The question is whether or not we want to keep the City as an individual en-
tity muni_ipality independent, limited by our geographical boundaries and
,,,,r ��,L1, tl,�� residents but still our City of Miami or we do want to start
divesting ourself in order to have larger operation.
*'ayor Ferre; To Faraphrase the poet who said "One robbin does not a spring
one stadium does not a city make....
:,a asa: tll, one stadiur, here, one library there, one water and sewer
dex,artnen,: on the other nand and pretty soon they will be asking for the
rxe Dc; artznent, the rolice Department and we will left here in Dinner Key
how we gave it all away.
^.a;,er }e r D,c':., 1 know the hour is late and the discussion is very ser-
i-r.s,rerrc,I lions of this are multi -fold and I don't think we should
this issue to a head right now. Father Gibson is not here - you want
to brin ; it to a head?
M.r. PI-a:nmer: I'm not trying to dispute your word but the only thing I want
tv re .i:,c fo,: is r ;at Metropolitan Dade County is voting on this ordinance
for its f:..a0_1 �:-te on May 5th and I think out of fairness if you want to
give them a message tnat fcu had better develop that message prior to their
vote or they're going to say May 6th, "If yuu had only told us". I leave
that with you now.
Mayor Ferre: Well, obviously the newspapers are picking this up and that
is going to be reported in the press tomorrow.
Mr. P1,xr:ner: Yes, but tomorrow morning the headline is going to read,
"Lacasa proposes to give the City away". Now I'm saying that ------
Mr. Carollo: And Plummer will bury it.
Mr. Flurxier: That's true, but not a freebie. I think that the proper way of
doing this, Mr. Mayor, is everybody make their points, hand it to Mr. Gary
who in turn will hand it to Mr. Stierheim who in turn will hand it to the
people w�,-, Are voting.
Mayor Ferre: Okay, I've made mine, you make yours. Joe do you want to
make your statement?
Mr. Carollo: I don't think I'll say anything, Mr. Mayor.
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Mr. Carollo: I don't think I'm saying, Mr. Mayor.
Mr. Plummer: Man gets smarter all the time.
Mayor Ferre: Well you're used to that. Your clients never speak back to
you.
I'm still there aren't I?
Mayer Ferre: Plummer, do you want to say anything? ... you want to send
a message to Dade County.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I only want to say that as you know, I have served
on the sports committee at this commissions behalf for some two or three
years. Mr. Mayor, I don't want to put up any stumbling blocks at this time.
Now, if this commission makes a decision that we don't want to give anything
r intil '83 to make that decision, Ok? I would like to see
what is going to come forth. I have no problem with your wanting to name it
the "Miami, or the Greater Miami Sports Authority", you know, that's semantics
I don't see anything wrong with the rest of your request, but here again,
what I really am saying is, I don't want to defeat the purpose of what I
feel is very important to this community and that is the sports authority.
I see it envisioned in this in this sports authority not only keeping the
professional sports we have, hopefully bringing more, and I also see it
addressing an area which we addressed today, which has been a very long over-
looked in this community and that's amatuer sports. So, I would like to per-
sonally see that we go into this with an open mind, we know what the parame-
ters are and let's get it going, get it moving, so, you know, I --
::cs�r it_rre: Alright, I feel the same way for a change, are you surprised'.'
Mr. Plummer: No, I'm not surprise.
Mayor Ferre: ...got a concern, Joe you'd better express your opinion because
otherwise...
Mr. Carollo: Can someone repeat to me what exactly the County wants us to do?
Mayor Ferre: County wants to create a sports authority. They want to call
it the Metropolitan Dade County Sports Authority. They would give us out of
a total --Mr. Jennings, you do it I'm doing your job. You tell us what it is.
Mr. Bob Jennings: Yes sir, the County Ordinance provides that the membership
of this proposed sports authority shall be two county commissioners, one city
commissioners, four non elected members appointed by the county commission,
two non elected members appointed by the city commission and the Mayor of the
county and the Mayor of the city shall be ex-officio non voting members. In
other words, the County will effectively appoint six members and the City,
three. It also provides that by April 1, 1983 as Commissioner Lacasa said,
if the City has not conveyed title to the Orange Bowl and Baseball Stadium
to the sports authority, then the City loses its representation on the sports
authority board.
Mr. (arollo: So Bien again, in essence, this is what I want to be completely
sure of. We really have 2 1;2 years, approximately 2 plus years to make up
our minds whether we want to be part of the club or not.
Mayor Ferre: That's right.
Mr. Lacasa: It's not that simple...
mr. Carollo: You're going to get the representation that they are providing
hc_wever....
Liicasa: It's not that simple. I'd like to say that we --excuse me, that
wo wili go along with this sports authority concept on the basis as stated by
the County very clear on that memorandum that we are suppose to give away
thesc two particular properties by 1983 or we will lose representation and
we'li go, it's not a acme. Then we go in there withholding the fact
t.liat. we don't want to give it to them if that were to be the position of
tl:n city Commission and then by 1983 we say "Ok baby we have lost two years
t1I l lrcr s!'noti:i4 t}fin bleeze at these meetings because we're giving nothing
awa,.,," so we pack and ae. it's not that simple. I think that the City Com-
aissic,n because this is one of the most important items in the County Agenda
anri that is the two 1)asic properties of this community as far as sports and
are, concerned, that happen to belong to the City of Miami, and
turcfcro, t}:e monkey is on our back as far as far as those two concerned.
r+-r I that the responsible thing to do at this time is to dis-
s thc> whole concept with the County and state our position and all I'm
sa}•i.,g and I am only "20% of this, all I am saying is well, all I am saying
i., that I am not for divesting; ourselves of any property and much less
-,oinethin: as valuable as the Orange Bowl is...
mr. Mayor...
Mr. Lacasa: Then --then, excuse me Bob, then that doesn't preclude the pos-
sibility that we negotiate re -negotiate any enter into any kind of agreements
that are feasible as long as we keep for the citizens of Miami what is theirs
ai,d we don't give away anything else.
2dr. Carollo: Well gentlemen, let me give you the bottom line, If the county
commission wants to make this a 50 - 50 proposition, which they are not making
in here, then they could give us 50% of the voting power in this little board.
So far I see two county commissioners against one city commissioner. Four
non elected members appointed by the county commission, two appointed by the
city commission. The only way that I'm going to consider this is if we get
eclual representation of that board and that's the only way that I am going to
be sure that we're going to be guaranteed not to lose our Orange Bowl or
anything else of City property for $24 in beads.
Mr. Lacasa: Joe, Joe, that might not be enough because remember that even
+ (Yet equal representation, the prices is still the same. Divesting
t.'s,^ City of the title to the two properties. so even if we get this equal
representation, we still will be paying a very high price for it.
Mayor Ferre: Armando, the bottom line is that if they really want to deal
with us in good faith, they could make their first step. If they will make
that first step, unless Mr. Gibson wants to be the third vote for it I'm
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not going to ...
Mr. Lacasa: Pretty good, pretty good. So I'm not alone now.
Mayor Ferre: I would like to just express that if we can get into this
community a new stadium, that would be a major achievement, and I do not
think , it certainly is not beyond the realm of possibility and I would
certainly not be opposed to using our existing Orange Bowl, if that would
be necessary as part of the down -payment, so to speak as part for a new
statium. I mean if that's what we achieve, and the county comes up with a
bond issue, I don't want that new stadium to go to Opa Locka. I think that
would be a major mistake and I think that would be a tragic loss for the City.
Now, we were already forced one time before in this situation with the Good
Year Blimp I tink we made the right decision. We had no choice. We couldn't
put up that horrible hanger out there is Virginia Key, but, we lost the blimpe.
Now, ...
Mr. Jennings Mr. Mayor...
Mayor Ferre: Let me finish. The blimp is bad enough, I don't want to loose
the Miami Dolphins. I don't want to loose the football statium from this
community and you know there's a major move afoot to put it in Opa Locka. If
we're a part of that authority, we can prevent that decision from being made.
So, therefore, I think it is a very short sided approach on our part to ab-
solutely, unilaterally and totally preclude any negotiation. I think any
negotiator from on in history, in any major or minor
negotiation knows, as Plummer's Dad used to say to him "You never close the
door". Let's not close the door on these people. we can set conditions as
we go along. There are a lot of conditions that we want to negotiate for,
you know, part of them may be equity in the board, like the Tampa Authoritv.
Part of it as far as I'm concerned is the name. These other points that you've
made here Mr. Jennings are valid points. Mr. Jennnings have made a study of
8 or 9 sports authorities. He knows more about these sports authorities than
anybody. I ask you to make a comparison, Would you pass out that comparison.
Mir. Jennings? And, I would like for you to send this also to members of the
County Commission so that they can see the different authorities that are
function,inc. ;Jow there's all kinds of ways of doing ...
M:r. Lacasa: Xr. M,avor, nobody is closing any doors. Nobody is denying the
n>ss:hilitti of nepotiarions.I repeat what I said on the record that I'm all for
negotiating and re -negotiating and looking to any alternative that is feasible.
The only thing that I am saying sir is that I am not willing I repeat to divest
the City of Miami as it has been done in the past of property If the County
wants to build a stadium in the City of Miami, they are more than welcome.
Mayor Ferre: Yeah, but I don't want ...
Vx. Lacasa: But --we own the stadium, Let me tell you this Mr. Mayor, we
entered and we campaigned for getting the 2% tax resort, ok.
Mlayor Ferre: Resort...
Mr. Lacasa: The resort tax
Mayor Ferre: Good
Mr. Lacasa: And we ended up that, in this fashion. 80% of the monies that
are collected by the County comes from hotels in the City of Miami. 80% of
them, of those monies. And what do we get from the County? You know what
we got.? What we got is what we use to have, we use to have not very long
ago, about a year or a year and a half ago, a contract with the County where -
I,,, give us something like about $600,000.00 per year and we would
do the promotion of the City and the County out of our own shop and then they
,jut this resort tax. I repeat 80% of those monies come from hotels in the
City of Miami and they immediately discontinue the contract with the City,
The end result was that we lost our department, we were reduced to practically
nothing and this is just an example of the things that happens. So, my
position is to negotiate. I love the sports authority concept. I look
with enthusiasm to the concept, but what we don't want to do, or at least I
don't want to do is to pay such a high price because here the g,iyers are us
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and the takers are always up there and this is predicated on the basis that
we give, and we give and we give. Nowhere in that memorandum does the County
give us anything ...
Mr. Jenning:I'here is just one other....
Mr. Lacasa: But there is our giving.
Mr.Jen,iing:There is just one other important thought that I don't want the
Commission to overlook. The state law talks about sports authorities permits
in Dade County to appoint the sports authority, not the City of Miami. If
Dade County has already had had a study done, as you know, that indicates that
the best place to put a stadium in this Community is in Opa Locka. If the
County chose to, they could without the City's participation appoint a sports
authority to build a new dual used stadium in Opa Locka and the City would
have nothing to do with it, nothing to say about it. Mr. Robbie would ob-
viously put his team out there and
Mayor Ferre: We are stuck with a white elephant....
Mr. Jenning: and we are stuck with an Orange Bowl ...
Mr. Lacasa: Ah, we will --we will have a very good piece of real estate pro-
perty to have to develop low income housing.
Mr.Jenning: I don't want you...I'm arguing for or against. I'm just
mr. Lacasa: Will be very needed in the City of Miami.
Mr..lenning: We may be in a situation ..
Mr. Lacasa: Yes sir ... yes sir, but we should not run scared and give away
the ship just because somebody is out there saying that there is some turbu-
1t.,nce.
Mr.Jenning I just didn't want you to overlook that.
Alaycr Ferre: Not trying to give away any ship but what I'm trying to get is
a new baseball football stadium, but anyway, there's no use beating this any-
more.
*tr.Car:llr: Mr. Mayor, you know, I must be honest. It's very easy for the
County to he telling us "Well, you play our game with our rules or you don't
play ay. alp", .,-.ir it's not so easy for them to put their money where their
mouth is and it's not all that easy to come up with the millions of dollars
that is going to be needed for them to go at it alone. So, let's not kid
ourselves. And I'm sure that if the County is sincere, they'll be coming
around to the bargaining table.
86. DISCUSSION AND TEMPORARY DEFERRAL: REQUEST TO FILL POSITIONS IN
THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND SECRETARY TO MR. JENNINGS (See
Later)
Mayor Ferre: Ok, further discussion on Item NS-7, then we're on NS-8 which
1� LiW tilling of Froozen Positions Public Works Department.
What is that now?
Mayor Ferre: Item NS-8 is a memo from Donald W. Cather to Gary
who says that we have plenty of vacancies as of June 12 and we will loose
84 CETA persons on june•12. It is critical that we be allowed to hire at
least 6 persons for the following Position!; under the present 20 budgeted
Three laborer 1, One laborer 2, One maintenance foreman, One
clerk Typist II for a total of six.
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Mr. Pltmmmer: What Department?
Mayor Ferre: Public Works, Mr. Cather. He say he's looEing 84 CETA
positions and he wants to replace that with six people.
Mr. Lacasa: Is this the only frozen positions we're going to discuss
tonight?
Mr. Gary: Yes
Mr. Lacasa: Because I'd like to call to your attention also, now that we
were discussing the question of the sports authority that Bob Jennings, right
there is whithout his secretary and I have been trying to get infor-
mation and some work programs from him and to no avail because the man is not
equipped to handle that so I would like to propose that a consideration to
a position to him be also given, especially now that we are involved in this...
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Lacasa moves that the six vacancies for the Public Works
Department and in addition, one vacancy for Mr. Jennings' secretary also
be hired. Is there a second? Is there a second?
Mr. Plummer: Nope, nope, nope, how many people Mr. Cather gonna leave off
to hire these six that are needed?
Mr. Gary: Mr. Plummer, Mr. Cather, as well as other Departments have a-
chieved their cuts.
Mr. Plummer: That's under the old administration. How about the new?
Mr. Garv: Well, if you recall Mr. Plummer, when we adopted the budget
FY - 1981, the City Commission directed us to have Departments to cut
seven percent of their budget. Those Departments that have cut seven percent
of their budget are now being required to cut a second time. I think it's
important to note that in Mr. Cathers' case, he has 20 budgeted vacancies, in
addition to the seven percent that we required them to cut.
- Mr. Plummer: In addition?
Mr. Gary: Sure.
Mr. Plummer: Oh.
Mr. Adams: Conrad Adams, AFSCME Local 1907. I would like to ask the
Commission NS-10 and NS-8 together. I think it's a direct relationship here
to it and ...
Mayor Ferre: Ok, alright, There is a request that we handle NS-8. Wait a
minute, NS-8 is dead because there was no second. Is that correct?
Mr.Plummer: Who made the motion?
Mayor Ferre: Lacasa made the motion but nobody seconded it. So, even if I
seconded it it's a 2 - 2 vote. So, it's dead. Anybody else want to add any-
thing to NS-8?
Mr. Plummer: Let's hear NS-10.
Mayor Ferre: Ok, then the next one is NS-9 and that's Blanco. Blanco are
you still around? Poor Blanco has been here for 15 hours.
Please place the following Item a request by
the use of a surolus motorola compact station base repeater through their ayer,cy.
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Now, that's not a bugging device is it? what's a repeater? What's that
like a radio? It's not a gun is it?
Mr. Rlanro: ...as a station radio, it's like in a station because from radio
to radio you got only short distance.
Mr. Plummer: 1 move Item NS-9
Mr. Lacasa: Second.
Mr. Plummer: ...here we were trying to get that rescue medical vehicle for
Ferre ...
Mayor Ferre: Alright, let's call the roll on the repeater for Blanco.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who
moved its adoption.
MOTION NO. 8-1-383
A MOTION GRANTING THE REQUEST MADE BY MR. OCTAVIO
BI,ANCO INVOLVING ONE (10 SURPLUS MOBILE RADIO, SUCH
PIECE OF EQUIPMENT TO BE CHARACTERIZED AS A LOAN TO
HIM FROM THE CITY.
,_mn bei:,y seconded by Commissioner Lacasa, the motion was passed
c,r,d adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
Vic(';ayor
(Rev.)
'Theodore R. Gibson
I'110
How many of
these do you personally have?
t:r.
Planco:
Excuse me?
'.r •
C' "`'I -' u
iiow many do
you personally have?
Mr.
Blanco:
Not...I don't
have any. What I have is a radio today, 1 ask
for a repeater
surplus to
the City, it's not going to cost anything.
'That is that we can talk from one radio to another one. Without this equip-
ment you ...
Mr.Carollo:: Where were the ones that you had before?
Mr. Blanco: Excuse me?
Mr. Carollcr: What equipment were you using before?
Mr.. Blanco: No I have been able to talk to nobody.
Mr. Plummer: Can I get one of those for Ferre? May I have the old one?
Mr.
Filar,•(): You see, I was under the
impression
that the Florida Association
was
90iru{ to (live me the frequency to
work with
them, but then it cost
to us ,, lot of Money to be on that frequency and
Z was told
that
he can't make no exception and ne
sala that
we nave no money in our bud-
yc.t_
alA I find c,,it through the City of
Miami, Dade, the City of Miami has
that
uliu11111' •nt .,!; o surplus, not going
Cost you a penny and we don't want
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it for us it's going to be in the building and then we'll be
there.
The only thing that we will do is just to place the two crystals inside
so we can talk. The equipment is going be in the same place it is
now and we don't want to touch it. Even I can't touchthat.
'ayor Ferre: Well thank you Mr. Blanco. Ok, call the roll.
Mr. Ongie: Now do you vote Mr. Carollo?
,Xavor Ferre: He's absent right now, keep on calling the roll.
Mr. untie: :laver Ferre:
ve.s. Alright, is there further discussion?
you can come back.
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CO,Q1__-CTICi; WITH PROPOSLD CITY OF ;1IX1;I L-11PLOYEZ
ot 1r RF.GJLAR CITY COi2i1SSI0;: 111F .TI;;G OF 'lAY 14 , 19(`:1 TO
^t,tv t Ictiv: we're not on item NS 10, and that's the lay-off procedure.
All ri�,ht Mr. Adams, tell us all about it.
Mr. Adam:;: Mr. Mayor, first of all, I'd like to relay a...
Mr. Plummer: Could you hold up one minute. Mr. Gary, is there anywhere
in this house that you can find a hot cup of coffee? I mean, you know,
CI•tt Cither hrtve that or in 10 minutes I'm going to be asleep. You aren't
to bring me a drink so I have to ask for coffee. Please, see if
you k•rtn find some hot coffee somewhere. I'm sorry, go ahead.
r. Adams: I have had. ..Mr. Mayor, I have had a discussion tonight with
Chief Harms. Chief Harms has stated to me,and related to me,that he is
opposed to the removing of the present parks people who are experienced,
and replacing these park people with inexperienced personnel, part -titre
p,_rsc,1111el. I asked him what the impact would be. He related to me what
the impact lie thought would be, and he has left Lt. Paine,who is still here,
to relay nis message to the Commission on this matter. Lt. Paine, could
you relate (thief Harms' message?
Lt. Tom Paine: Lt. Tom Paine i:rom the Police Department. Chief Harms
aid not go into details ,is far as the impact. However, he did relate to
111e that h-_ would 1-12speCtfully recommend to this Commission that consideration
be rivk n to maintaining- the professional park managers rather than have
thost, pc,.;itions stiffed by inexperienced persons. The objective, of course,
would be to maintain to the fullest extent the youth programs this summer.
Adams: Or, the ? , sis, cf this statement through Lt. Paine from Chief
larms, I would liketo request that this Commission take some action to
prevent the lay-offs of the people who have already been sent lay-off
letters. And I also have a man who has been here all day, that we have
brought down from Tallahassee, Mr. Tom McDowell. He's a CETA expert, and
i would like to let him addrress the Commission at this time.
A1I right, Mr. McDowell. `".y thanks to you, sir, for your
patience.
,,r. Tom McDowell: You're quite welcome. My name is Tom McDowell. I
work with ASFCME out of the International Union. I'm stationed in
'Iallahassee, Florida.
or F(•rre: Wait, wait. Have you tasted that? Would you taste that
before you give it to Plummer?
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, if I pass out, he doesn't get the 6 employees.
if I survive, lie's got a shot.
Mayor Ferre: 1 was wondering what it was all about. Is that all it
takes to get a vote from you for 6 employees? Bring him 10 cups of coffee.
! I AU(;HTER)
Mr. McDowell: Mr. Mayor, Commissioners, I would like to discuss the
proposed lay-off that is in effect. From what 1 understand today, it
affects approximately 40 workers in 2 departments of the City. The Parks
Department and the Leisure Services Department. What I was called down
here to assist with is to try to have some kind of impact that would
rL'sult in regular City employees, Civil Service employees not being
laid off unless all of the CETA employees who are working in similar
positions are also laid off at the same time.
ist
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Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute. Repeat that.
Mr. McDowell: Let me explain what I'm talking about. Typically, whenever
there is a lay-off in city, county or state government, where there are
AFSCME bargaining units, and CETA participants are working in those
bargaining units, the Federal law prohibits the lay-off of regular
employees without the same lay-off of the CETA employees who are working
in similar positions. Now even though the job classifications may be
different, you may call them something else. I think they're called
Worker Trainee's here. But in both of these departments there are CETA
workers, and from the information I have received, something to the tune
of 225 CETA workers who are employed In doing basically the same work as
some of these workers in the Parks, such as Laborer I's, Laborer II's,
Recreational Directors, or whatever their titles are. In any event, the
CETA workers are doing the same kinds of work and the Federal law
prohibits from laying off regular employees which would result in the
CETA employees substituting the regular employees jobs. And that law is
called Maintenance of Effort. What happens basically in that situation
is that Federal funds are being used to supplant, or substitute services
that are normally being provided by the City. Let me just read you a
section of the Federal Register which governs the CETA law in that area.
This is under Secr.ion 676.73 under the provisions of Maintenance of Effort.
Subsection (d). "No participant in OJT", that means on the job training,
"public service employment, work experience, shall be hired into or remain
working in any position when any other person not supported under the
Act", that means the CETA act, "is on lay-off from the same or substantially
equivalent job within the same organizational unit." That's out of the
Federal Register. That doesn't say the same classification. Some
managers have argued well their job titles are different, but the law
recognizes that and the fact that the CETA workers are doing the same kind
of work that the other workers are doing that have received their lay-off
notices effective today. The union believes that the regular employees
should have the first opportunity. What would have to occur in order
for this lay-off to be legal under the Federal regulations is that the
some 225 CETA employees would also have to be laid off effective today,
that are in those positions. This would mean that there would be
approximatley 265 employees being laid off rather than the 40 or so
that's proposed right now. The union feels that the regular employees
since some of them have up to 13 years, 12 years, I've even talked to
some of the members that are in these units, certainly felt that when
they were hired that they had a sense of security in their jobs and that
they were in a Civil Service position. Whereas the CETA people, who
AFSCME also represents, have to come second in this kind of a decision.
Because they realized when they were hired that they were on temporary
status and that whenever Federal funds were cut back their jobs are going
to go. And they will eventually. AFSC?SE recognizes that cities are
going to be faced with problems, with budgetary cuts, with Federal Revenue
cuts. It's going to be a tough decision to make in all areas, in all
cities. And I think we already pretty well know that the Public
Service Employment Program under CETA is dying out and there are cut backs there.
But I can say to you that if the CETA employees continue in those positions
after today, and the regular employees are laid off, then the City would
be liable for paying the salaries of those 225 CETA participants. So,
AFSCME here in Miami, the Local 1907 has asked me to come down and
request that you rescind the order that lays off the 40 regular employees
considering what the overall result would be under the Federal laws.
Are there any questions regarding this?
"'r. Iliummer: No, I would just hope that we would get to the item that
is for discussion this evening, and that is the procedures of the lay-offs.
IN'- k,, ce not discussing the CETA people, we are discussing procedures
of lay-off.
Mr. McDowell: Anytime you have a lay-off and you have CETA workers
working in similar jobs, then those lay-offs, under the Federal law
affects the CETA people, and I think that is included in the procedures.
Mr. Plummer: Sir, I heard that the first time you said it. And I will
say Lo you that if the administration doesn't hear what you're saying,
and acknowledge that it's either correct or not correct, that's their
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Mr. Plummer (continued): problem. My problem, as brought to this
Commission before, was the problem when I was made aware that there
were employees who were being proposed to be laid off tomorrow who had
13 years of service with this City. It was my impression that an employee
with less service would have to go first. And that's what I'm talking
about now. The CETA is a separate problem, sir. It's not going to
be a problem for long because we're going to lose near 1,000 Ceta employees
eventually. I would like to get back to the area that I asked for
discussion before. That is I want assurances that...is the number 54,
is that the proposed lay-off? Or 52?
Mr. Gary: It will either be 38 or 44.
Mr. Plummer: Okay. Whatever the number is, that there are people who
have ... well, how do I want to put it? That there are no people who
have been with the City for less than 13 years staying and 13 year
employees are going. That's the sense of my concern. I know there are
a lot of employees around who have only been with the City 2, 3, 4 years.
And they are going to be here. They're not proposed for lay-offs, yet
we find employees who have been here 13 and 14 years are going to be
laid off tomorrow and that's my concern.
Mr. McDowell: That's also my concern.
Mr. Plum:,,er: Well, I'm glad that we agree, sir.
Xr. `icDowc•il: And it's my concern that if they are laid off, that the
C);TA people w`io remain there under Federal fund will also be laid off.
Mr. Plummer: Sir, I've heard that twice now. You know, I appreciate
your co-.=ents, antra I Dope the administration heard what you said. But
I'd sure like to �;et back to my point.
Mr. Adams: Mr. Flu"r, er, through the Chair, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferro: Yes, sir.
Mr. Adams: I think that the 2 times previously that I've addressed the
City Commission, this same type of discussion has come up. I think
the first time and the second time I addressed this Commission, that I
made it clear that my point in addressing the Commission at those 2 times
was not to address a violation of the Civil Service rules. Mr. Plummer
you sre speaking of a violation of Civil Service rules. The AFSCME 1907
sir, has a grievance procedure in which we can go the grievance procedure
route in a violation of the Civil Service rules and I would be violating
our contract agreement with the City if I attempted to stand here
and talk to the Commission about a violation of those rules. I am here,
sir, and 'I have been here, this is the 3rd time, in an appeal to save
the lay-off employees who are now on the list. I will go to any extent.
It is my job to go to this extent, to any extent possible to make the
lay-off be rescinded. This is my purpose here, and I'm asking the
Commission tonight to rescind this order.
Mr. Plummer: Sir, I appreciate your comments. This item is not on
the agenda not at your request,sir, it's on the agenda at my request.
You have your procedures of grievance which you have every option
to excercise if you wish, but I as a Commissioner have certain options
that I can excercise, and I want to know that when a 14 year employee
i� h,,inp laid off, there ain't no 13 years around. Now, Mr. Gary,
you're the man to answer that question for me.
Mr. Gary: First of all, I would like for Mr. Krause to explain the
procedure that we follgw with regard to the lay-off process.
Mr. Krause: Mr. Mayor, members of the Commission, there are Civil Service
rules that deal with the procedure for lay-off of City employees. Those
rules have been in effect for a long time and they are also incorporated
by reference into the labor agreements that you have with the various
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Mr. Krause (continued): labor unions of City employees. Stated fairly
simply, what the rules says is that when a position is abolished, the
person is laid off, and he may then excercise roll. -back rights to any
other position that he held previously, and the person in that lower
class, with the least seniority is laid off Now one of the problems
that we have with the type of employee that Commissioner Plummer has
been talking about is that there are some Pool :tanagers who were hired by
the City as Pool Managers, have no status in any lower position, and therefor,
have no roll -back rights to any other position. Now the Civil Service
rules also go on to say that if an employee is laid off, the person
is placed on a re-employment register and may be referred for other
entry level positions in the City government for which lie is qualified. So
that if the Pool Managers are in fact laid off because the), don't have
bumping rights, or retreat rights, or roll -back rights to a lower level
position, they will remain on a register and be referred to other positions
for which they may be qualified. The City's had a pretty good record over
the past several years in reemploying people who were laid off. I think
about 90% of all employees who were laid off have been placed in other
positions.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Krause, I assume I can inquire without violating, the
Charter just for the purposes of information. Mr. Krause, are you giving
this Commission assurances that these 44 whatever the number, have been
offered other jobs within the department':
Mr. Krause: No, sir. I didn't mean to imply that because at the present
time there is an employement freeze which prevents job offers to positions
that are not available. What I am saying is that the people who are laid off
will be placed on re-employment registers, and when there are positions
available, job offers will be made. A number or people have already
been transferred, or rolled back to positions at lower levels, but not
all of them because some of them don't have roll back rights.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Krause, let me tell you something, sir. I'm not an
expert on Civil Service rules and I admit that. But I want to tell you
something, what you're saying is put me on the outside looking in and
hoping. Mr. Krause, if I was with this City for 10 years and I walked out
the door tomorrow for the final time, and at that door wishing me well as
I walked out was an employee who was still on payroll that had been here
for a year without you offering me that job, at least offering me to
stand at the door and wish others well, I'm going to tell you something,
there's a hell of an inequity. Now, I'm saying to you, that this City
has got to recognize longevity and in my estimation, if a man has been
here for 14 yearF -• '.hould be the criteria, that somebody else that's
only been here on year, that 14 year employee is offered his job.
Now, I don't know how else to put it. I really don't.
(INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENT PLACED OUTSIDE OF THE RECORD)
Mr. Plummer: Sir, I appreciate your comments. And I realize to you
this is emotional because your livlihood is involved. All I'm saying
to you, Mr. Krause, is there's got to be something more fair and more
equitable than what I'm hearing. And I'm not disputing, sir, that
that might the present rules and regulations as they apply. But if in
fact what you're saying is true, I'm saying to you that there's a hell
of an inequity. The old rule of Civil Service as I knew it was,
the last hired is the first to go when it comes to lay-offs. Now, you
know, you can tell me about hiring freezes, you can tell me about
lay-offs, this gentleman can tell me about CETA. But it just seems
logical to me that if I'd been here 14 years and I see a man who has only
been here 13 years, and he's going to stay and I'm going, in the same
department, I think that's wrong. Now it it's offered to me and I refuse
it, so be it.
Mayor Ferre: Plummer, I'll tell you, it is 1:20 and my mind is spinning.
I don't even know what the hell is going on here in this stage of the
game. So let's wind up statements and let's come to a conclusion...
..r. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I don't think we can come to a conclusion, Mr. Mayor,
it's not within our purview. Okay? And I still want to hear from...
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Mayor Ferre: That is a conclusion.
Mr. Plummer: I want to hear from Mr. Gary.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Gary, quickly, and let's move on.
Mr. Gary: First of all., with regard to the roll back procedures, they
are no different than the roll back procedures that existed prior to
the establishment of the Human Resources Department. In summary, we have
a budget problem. The City Commission, we adopted a budget. You
required its to save 7% or $5,300,000. To date, we've only saved
$2,700,000 of that. Today you have stated to us that the top priority
of this City is police. You've also told us that we're looking at
between 1,000 and 1,200 new police officers. Now, the intent of the
motion that was passed during the budgetary process was to begin to live
within our means for next year, this year. Now with regard to whether
these employees have been offered jobs, other jobs, you must also remember
that item NS8"equines us to lift the freeze. There are no vacancies that
they can fill without coming back to vou. -s8 would prevent 4
lav-offs. Now, obviously if we had no freeze at all, we would have more
positions available to see if some of the employees laid off could fit it
those positions. However, we don't have them. So we don't have any
choice but to lay the individuals off to comply with your 7% and to comply
wit'.; %.our freeze. And we've also complied with the Civil Service roll
hack procedures in view of those constraints.
Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr. Gary, you and I disagree, sir. I'm sorry to
tell vou, sir, that to me there are junior employees and they should go
first, or at least the senior employees should be offered the jobs of
the .Junior (,-mplovecs within the same department. If they refuse, of
course, tn"t's thcir prerogative. But to me, it's inequitable.
'Mr. Gary: Just one response to that, Commissioner Plummer. To do that
right now, would violate the Civil Service Rules. To do that...excuse me.
to do that right now for vacancies would violate your freeze.
mr. Plummer: I'm not saying anything about a freeze. It has nothing to
do with a freeze.
Mr. Gary: tell, Commissioner Plummer, if some of the positions were
unfrozen that exist in the City now, we may have the opportunity to
offer, or determine whether these individuals, some of these individuals
can fit intoo ic`'� and offer them the jobs.
Mayor Ferre: Okay. Now if we stay here for another 6 1/2 hours we can have
been here 24 hours. That will break a record.
Mr. Plummer: Well Mr. Mayor, I understand what you're saying. But
here again, one hour and twenty minutes ago, 44 people are without employment
and that bothers me. And it doesn't bother me if it were the bottom end
of the line okay? Because that's what they knew when they were hired.
Last hired is the first to go. Junior employees.
Mayor Ferre: Make your motion then.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I cannot violate the Charter. And for me to
set ... I can set a policy, but I cannot tell the Manager what to do.
Okiy' And I'm not going to. I'm just saying that this is one Commissioner
wnu nas expressed that I agree with you probably that your Civil Service
rules are right. Excuse me, that what you say is right. But I'm saying
there is an inequity in the Civil Service rules, if that's the case
of the final bottom product.
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Mr. Adams: Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Ferre: Go ahead.
Mr. Adams: I'm sitting here wondering why, on the basis of what Mr. Plummer
just said, why one or two departments in the City have been picked for all
_ the lay-offs. I am sure that there are other departments in this City
who probably have employees who have worked 2 months, 1 month, 3 months,
4 months, 6 months, 1 year, that are not being affected by these lay-offs.
Sure, it's another classification. But I'm agreeing with Mr. Plummer that
it seems to me an inequity to take one department who has one employee
with 28 1/2 years, sir, 28 1/2 years with the City.
Mayor Ferre: I concur with that.
Mr. Adams: And began to cut in that area rather than start cutting at the
low end of the totem pole. And I appeal to you again, sir, that this
Commission make some kind of decision in this matter tonight and set
these men who have waited here all day, and are affected by the lay-off,
at ease.
Mr. Lacasa: Well, I submit to you the following. Mr. Plummer has
expressed his opinion, Mr. Plummer has expressed his opinion, the Mayor
feels along the same lines, so you have expressed, I feel along; the
- ~ 14•--s so here you have 3 votes on the City Commission. Now, the
next step is how do we implement this feeling that has been expressed
already by the majority of the City Commission so the votes are there.
How do we legally, without violating the Civil Service Rules, or the
Charter that we implement this feeling on the City Commission which is the
same one that you are expressing.
Mr. Krause: Mr. Mayor, members of the Commission, 1 think it's important
to understand that the Civil Service Rules are a part of the labor agreement,
and if the City or any of its agents were to take an action contrary to the
rules, for example, to take a Pool Manager who had no previous status in
a job, let's say as truck driver, and put him in the truck driver job and
lay off the truck driver who only might have had 6 months of service or
so:u:hii,g of the kind, the City would have a grievance from the union
to reinstate the truck driver, and you would have to reinstate the
truck driver with back pay because you'd be in violation of the labor
agreement.
Mr. Lacasa: There is the union. Let's see what the union...
Mr. Adams: Mr. Mayor, the union is willing to rescind any opposition
to any violation of a Civil Service Rule under our agreement to keep these
employees on the payroll.
:'r. Gary: Well...
Mr. Lacasa: Wait, but that might not be enough.
Mr. Adams: We'll waive our contractual position. Okay?
Mr. Lacasa: That might not be enough because a person affected even
though the union might take that position, the employee affected might
take another position and he still would have standing.
Xr. Plununer: Let me tell you, Armando, you know. There's only one
Y 1-.now of and it's not going to help these 44 people. Okay?
There's only one way I know this Commission can act, and that action is
L.) j ,.,utiun to the Civil Service Board, that this Commission feels that
tuert: is an inequity in the present rules relating to lay-offs and the
Commission requests as rapidly as possible, that the Civil Service Board
ronsidPr and report back to this Commission to eliminate what we feel is rn inequity.
That is in order. That is not a violation of the Charter. It is well
;.ithin our purview to request such, if I'm not mistaken. Now, you know,
It doesn't help these 44 people. Let me ask you something. Is it
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Mr. Plummer (continued):
laid off?
Mr. Gary: Yes, it is.
proposed that all Pool Managers are being
Mr. Krause: To clarify, I should tell you that there are 2 stages. There
are 7 Pool Managers whose lay-off is to be effective Friday, which
happens to be today. There is an additional Pool Manager who is scheduled
for lay-off 2 weeks later. But all Pool Managers will be laid off.
Mr. Plummer: I would assume that one 2 weeks later is the 28 year man.
Mr. Krause: Yes, sir. 27 years.
Mr. Adams: Mr. Mayor, I would like to address this point. These same
Pool Managers who are being laid off have been offered the job as
pool specialists to do their same job on a part time basis. To me this
is an inequity. this is also an inequity to offer these same men to do
their same jobs on a part time basis, $2.50 less than what they are making
now, sir.
Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr. Mayor, I make such a motion because I think it's
the only thing we can do tonight, and that is the motion I made relating;
to Civil Service. I don't know what else we can do.
Mayor Ferre: i;ell., 1 mean, I think there's a basic inequity.
iir. I c,greul
:;,ii:�" Ft>rrc: 1.1en a rinn who };as worked for ZS 1/2 years for the City of
IIL; t'r: ;i 71 C: 1k i' have pELUp 1. c' that have corked for a )'ear Or two
star un. Therc's something wrong; with that, Bob. It's just not right.
Mr. 111umamoT C. in i aIFF <, gll(,stlon? How old is the man that has been with
the (AAV 28 4ears'
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d:�li t real l.': KTl(iw.
I;)Ei:T1t1E•D SPHAKFR: He's 58.
Mr. Plummer: He's 58.
sir. Gar`: He should be eligible to retire.
Mr. Plummer: Well he'd be eligible for retirement then.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: He is retiring.
Mr. Plummer: Oh, okay.
(INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENT PLACED OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC RECORD)
Mr. Plummer: Excuse me. I thought vested interest on the GEA was, what
15 years?
Mr. Krause: 15 years to the best of my knowledge.
Mayor Ferre: Yeah. Come to the microphone, identify yourself and make
your statement.
'sir. Fduardo Carrerra: Thank you for letting me talk. My name is Eduardo
Carrerra and I'm one of your Pool Managers. Now in this particular
case that we're just talking about, the gentlemen we're talking to
about is the Pool Manager at Morningside. His name is Jim Latham. I've
known him for 16 years that I have worked for the City. He's worked
17 years. Now he's 55 years old. He happens ... I know what you're talking
about the vested interest of 15 years. But see, the maximum, you get the
maximum out of your retirement pay is when you get more than 20 years
in, 20 25 years in. So he was waiting until he is 62 years old before
he retires so that way he will have 20 plus years, and he will have
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Mr. Carrera (continued): maximum retirement benefits. That's what he
was waiting for. Same thing as the gentleman here sitting down who is
the Pool Manager at West End by the name of . Now
my personal case, I've been working for the City 16 years, 15 years at
Shenandoah.
16 ;e�Ars.
�I rt- ra: i ye::r�-:. And when I started to work, I worked under ...
h, He sent mc. a nice letter and what have you.
lf_'itt'r sa':i11Y. I'ffi Idilu off the 4tl} 1lf t11iq AT, ri1
working l':ere for the City of Miami not to make money
the City pays me, there's no way I'm going to
tp,.,, I wish I could, but there's no way. And I'm working for
bkw,luse I like the job and also because of security. Of
r..t `in•._ t: z_. tside, knife anybody in the back for my money or
i ;,.ist don't like: to hustle. I just don't want to
r t i ... ;,,- ti . I enjoy ti,e security, and I enjoy the pool and I
, t Iio't t `e' I", i l i e. Now, I had a little speech that I'd like to
` h will, it. Oka:, The question before you is whether you shall
11, and 'fool ''.anagers in order to sate some
t'.e ic. :tp:3rtrcnt. It just happens that these people the
cf i crIn any are helping the police Department
of thi, Police, and second, keeping the
bus}', occupied, and out of
�,. r,.. , • uc1_: fro;:, street corners, throwing rocks, and
i , Vie•.i, tt,at it is sliort-sighted to lay-off
what thev are. The legs and arms of
hIjve vorked :i number of years creating a
or .;�� City of `•:iamii and the Recreation
e.;sc tl.ink of the future of the pools
c,11 City worriers are going to
Thank
state:r.ent. I happen to have
i wunt tc the park and I talked to some of
~.�. ; .. in thrit progr. r. And I want to tell you, I
i i>etter employee than that man. That man ... and
t,-:n :i,t, he was very modest about the whole thing.
4 rw 1-1• kids from all over. I saw...I think there were
ur ; .y,, rids that were involved in Judo and the
weak point, huh?
program that this man has, and the way that
the concern that the parents had was, I'll
I liuve 2 or 3 kids going to an AAU meet over here
S:,t urdav . In other words, I have to go with theta.
_ r i.:. tl.it ,, I 11ave are the best swimmers in the South
taken 401 place and so on and so forth, all
of the 3 hours that most AAU swimmers
i i ; , , 1, :Ind in other...
t ::A' put it in context. This man has gone out and
Ids, He's gotten parents to support the programs.
L.i:.::::l;ions out of these kids that God knows what they'd be
{n- if tl;ey w,.tvii't out there swimming, and he's done it with extreme
Th e,,e kids they go up and become champions in these
A-AX or whatever they're called, meets. They swim 3 hours a
di,n' t h:,vc cite money so we only let these kids swim for
.,r :ind i half, and yet this man has produced champion after
Tile- espirit de core in that park is unbelievable. And here's
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Mayor Ferre (continued): a man who has given us 16 years of his life, and
now we're going to tell him that he's got to take walk.
Mr. Carollo: Maurice, you're absolutely right.
Mr. Lacasa: Let me ask you this, Howard. If this man and the others
that are in the same type of situation are laid off, does that mean
also that this program and this service is also terminated?
Mr. Gary: Mr. Commissioner, we have limited the swimming program to
3 months out of the year which is the peak season.
Mr. Lacasa: I'll tell you, I hate to do this to you, Howard, because
1 do realize what you are inheriting and all that. But let me tell you
this. This goes well beyond the question of an individual, in this case,
this gentleman and the others. This goes to another problem area and that
Is the question of the services that the City provides. So we are not
only discussing here the question of this gentleman with 16 years of
service, that we feel that we have an obligation to him in order to try
to give him the security he needs, but there is also another, an even
more important factor in this, and that is those kids that we, the City,
have been serving that are not going to be served if we discontinue this
program. Then we go into the matter of priorities. I cannot think of
,�invthing that is as important as this particular thing inspite of the
fact that we do have the crime problem because the 2 things are pretty
well connected. A while ago that gentleman sitting back there was
telling me something that makes tremendous sense. We are here with a
tremendous problem of crime and yet, this particular situation, this
particular service is one of those instruments that we have not to fight
crime, but to do something even better, and that is to prevent it. And
that is to prevent it. So, I tell you, I think that we have to dig that
munev, see how we handle this because in this particular instance, my
feelinfs, quite frankly, is that we do have one, to keep the service
going, and if the service keeps going, then your job is safe. And
the basic. problem, I repeat, as far as 1 am concerned, is the problem of
the servj -c.
Mr. Gary Goodrich: Mr. Mayor, I've prepared some brief remarks that
address that, and one more point that 1 think is being overlooked, which
has to do with wider community safety. I'm Gary Goodrich. I live at
1247 S.W. 67 Terrace. I'm speaking for the Pool Managers of your
City's 7 pools, most cf w;,om have served you for decades, and one person,
as yoa'vc hea:cl, has served for 28 years. I'm the son of a Pool Manager
at West End Pool. During his 19 years my father has preserved the
peace, taught swimmine and protected 10's of thousands of lives while
serving at Edison Park, Shenandoah Pool, Virrick Pool, Dixie Park Pool,
Manor Pool, and now West End. You're considering a recommendation from
your staff that would make very important changes in the operation
of the 7 inner-city pools operated by the City of Miami. Currently, you
e;r,ploy, one full-time Pool Manager at each pool year round. During
the 5 months nearest the summer, you have 2 additional employees trained
and supervised by the full-time Pool Managers. During the 7 remaining
months of the year, Pool Managers are alone at each pool and perform
upkeep and routine maintenance as well as making the pools available
for public school swimming classes, school swim teams, and water lifesaving
classes. In effect, your staff proposal would lay-off a full-time
Pool Manager and substitute lower paid, part-time employees to supervise
the same summer guards. Such summer supervisors apparently to come
:. .... ..i,L:nployrd teachers or college students. When you trade my father
and his $18,000 salary for a $3,000 summer supervisor, you're being
told you're saving $15,000 From the point of view of total
community safety, we think you're making a mistake. We understand
the community pressures. However, the citizens look to local government
for protection in all aspects of their lives. Actually, the effect
of this decision might be to trade deaths caused by one problem for
deaths caused by another. And we don't see how that helps the community.
Our lifestyle in this commnity is built around water activities. And
l,cF, this fact to promote our community. Each year we have 100 to
125 drownings in Dade County. The statistics also reveal that black people
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Mr. Goodrich (continued): are drowning at a rate 2 or 3 times higher
proportionately than white people. Yet 5 of the 7 pools affected serve
predominately black neighborhoods. We believe that your Pool Managers are
an important part of this communities professional safety team. My father
has supervised staff that range from 2 to 5 people. During his years,
he has supervised and trained 20 professional guards, and 100 summer guards.
At least 9 of which still serve this community in lifesaving positions.
6 at pools, 1 firefighter, 2 policemen. He has 38,000 hours. That's
38,000 hours supervising experience in your pools and has earned ratings
from the Red Cross in senior lifesaving, as a water safety instructor,
and with a certificate in pool and water maintenance requirements. During
the summer he is responsible for a pool valued at $700,000.
Mayor Ferre: Hey look, I don't mean to cut you short because I know you
took time in writing that and I appreciate your effort.
Mr. Goodright: One last thing, sir.
Ft•rrt.: YOilh, but it's almost 2:00 o'clock and I think the main point
found a solution yet. So instead of ... hey, I agree
ri_h: ,li surr;er they're going to supervise 65,000 hours. In
7�nth5, alt. of the business is now. And who are you entrusting;
Okay. I understand your point and I agree with it.
'' ;;.;.•.it's see if we can find a solution. Mr. Gary, wave the
I address Mr. Gary through the Commission?
F.- : r - : :, , s i r . Go ahead. Through the Chair.
understand that the Commission is in a position
are viOlating the Charter if they attempt to do your job for
you, sir, tonight to take some action and rescind this
1)rder t(nit�ht. rind I think that we could probably get together and
Attie this thin; in can amiable manner between the union, AFSCME 1907 and
tiic City administration, sir.
Gary: hell let me respond to that 3 ways. First of all, I cannot
rescind the order. Secondly, as Commissioner Plummer would say, if I
•,i;e you this, what are you going to give me in return? So obviously
w,,'ve got to make some trade-offs. This City has a tight budget. If
wt- permit 44 employees to remain on board, then we've got to find somebody
else to take their place. What I would suggest, and what I am recommending,
is that we continue with the process of the lay-offs effective Friday, and
if the City Commission decides to lift the freeze, that we will make
every effort to place as many people in those -✓acant positions as
possible.
Mr. Lacasa: Mr. Mayor, I want to make a motion . I move that the Citv Manager
be instructed to continue this program in the same way that this program
was going on before without any reductions whatsoever.
Ferre: There's a motion on the floor. Is there a second to that
r, i o n •'
"I. C-,rclllo: The motion is referring only to the pools, correct? The
}•I r.:� alit; pools.
�;.iyor i'errr: Talking about the Recreation Leaders and the swimming poolb.
Mr. Carollo: How many jobs are we talking about totally?
Mr. t,ary. We're talking about 17 positions.
Xr. Adams: And the laborers. Mr. Carollo, and the Laborer I's and
::'-� in the parks. We were discussing this, the 40 lay-offs.
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Mayor Ferre: What do Laborers I and II do in the parks?
Mr. Adams: They maintain the park,sir, that this Commission has today
acted on obtaining money...
Mayor Ferre: As I understand the motion, the motion that Lacasa made
was limited to those people that deal with kids directly. Right?
Mr. Carollo: That's what I understood. How many jobs does that
include.
Mr. Lacasa: At this particular point...
Mr. Plummer: That's not the motion as I understand it. The motion
did not speak to people, it spoke to the program.
Mr. Lacasa: My motion does not speak to people. My motion speaks about
the program. The program, of course, will mean that the people will have
to retained because that's the only way that the program can be
operated.
Mr. Carollo: We're talking about the programs dealing with the kids,
Including the pool programs.
Mr. Lacasa: l:xact:ly.
May I interrupt for just a second because I want to make
a statericnt that. ..and you're not going; to be very happy with this statement,
and I think your co-workers are going to be even less happy.
Mr. F1ui mer: Mr. Nayor, you're out of order,
Mayor Ferre: Well, forgive me for being out of order. I asked you a whole
bunch of questions when I was there visiting with you. You know what you
answered and you know what you told me? You didn't tell me but this is
:hat I gathered. You're not doing as much as you .aught to do. And as
r..atter of fact, I asked you. Do you remember the question. I asked,
wl.at if you had a car? Is there a way in which you could be involved?
I askec you this question, I said, how many other champions —how many
pools do we have? You said 7. Right? I said, are there pool directors
in each one? And you said, yes. And I said, how many swimming programs
are there, besides yours, that goes and competes at the national level.
As I rcr,cTker; you said, we're the only ones. Is that correct? Then
I said to you, well why don't we have others in the City of Miami?
And you said, I can't answer that. And I said, well if you had a car
and you could get around, and we structured this department a little
bit differently, see? Because what happens now is we've got 7 pools
with 7 independent things and there isn't one concerted effort. And
I say to you about the swimming pools the same thing I said about
Mrs. Virric.k. Do you want to get young boxers there? I want to see a
Golden Gloves champion come out of there. And I'm fed up with having
2nd and 3rd rate operations at Virrick Gym when we can just as easily
have a Golden Glove champion. Now here's a man who is producing
champions in swimming meets? Why? Excuse me, more important, why
aren't we producing champion swimmers at the other swimming pools?
There's got to be an answer to that.
Mr. Carrera: Well, like to said, Mayor, there is 7 and they are separate.
not too combined. 2 years ago, 3 years ago we lost the
Pool Coordinator, that was Mr. Jack Alcott. I don't know if you remember
iiini. We lost him. Then 2 years ago, a year and a half ago, we lost
the cashiers and the pool lifeguards. That way we did away with opening
pools to the public and it's just deteriorating and deteriorating these
last 3 years.
Mayor Ferre: Mr. Gary, I don't know, and that's your job, not mine. I
don't know whether this man is the most qualified or somebody around here
i- the most qualified. You make that decision or Al Howard makes that
decision. My interest, my primary interest 1s in the program. Okay?
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Mayor Ferre (continued): Because that's my responsibility as a member
of this Commission. I would hope that we could save all 17 of those jobs.
As I understand, the thrust is that we save the program and that requires
some people. The rest of it is your job. You've got to come back and
tell us how many. And I would recommend that you negotiate with the
union on it.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, look, let's don't kid ourselves for one minute.
Mr. Mayor, there are going to be some damn serious cuts around this
City between now and October 1. There are going to be some hellacious
cuts. As I'm looking down the road, we're looking at 1,000 CETA
employees gone. Gone. We're looking at 10% of permanent staff gone.
Probably more by virtue of what Mr. Carollo and I said tonight, that we
want 200 additional policemen. 200 additional policemen is simple, that's
$4,000,000. So there's going to be more than 10% lay-offs.
Mr. Gary: That's $7,000,000.
Mr. Plummer: 7? Okay. Hey, all I'm saying to you is look, you've got
to believe there's going to be some hellacious heat in front of this
Commission because some programs are going to go, and some good programs
are going to go and it's up to this Commission to set priorities of
which ones stay.
Mayor Ferre: That's what we're doing. There's a motion...
Care�llo: Second.
Mayor Ferre: There's a motion made by Lacasa, as I understood it, that
we save the programs that deal with children.
Mr. Carollo: That's correct. I mean, that's going to be one of our
main priorities. Here, you know, we have a lot of problems with young
kids going around. My God, the least we can do is put some money in
the programs that's going to keep them off the streets and give them
something productive to do.
Mr. Plummer: Joe, let me tell you something. I've got no problem with
that. I've got kids, I'm a father, I'm a father. God knows if you can
tou^h rye on one subject, it's my children.
Mr. Carollo: God Bless America.
Mr. Plummer: Yeah. You know, apple pie, hot dogs, and motherhood. But
let me tell you something. What you'd better understand, that you are
now going to say to the Manager, maintain that program. And within 2
weeks, you're going to have 44 other people here that the Manager is
going to have to lay-off.
Mayor Ferre: We'll deal with that then.
Mr. Carollo! That's right.
Mayor Ferre: Further discussion on that motion? Call the roll.
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa, who
moved its adoption:
MOTION NO. 51-384
A MnTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING
THE CITY MANAGER TO CONTINUE THE CITY OF MIAMI POOL
PROGIUM IN THE SAME MANNER AND TO THE SAME DEGREE OF
SERVICE AS THEY HAD BEEN CONDUCTED HERETOFORE, WITHOUT
ANY REDUCTIONS WHATSOEVER
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Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the motion was passed
and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: 'None
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
ON ROLL CALL:
*Mr. Plummer: To maintain the program, I vote ves.
Mayor Terre: What else is there to discuss now?
Mr. Adams: Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Fe:re: Go ahead, Mr. Adams.
Mr. Adams: I understand, I'm addressing now the Parks Laborers 1 and II,
I understand from the Parks Department, a high source in the Parks
Department, that through attrition of jobs that they have in the budget
that have not been trilled, that they do not need the lay-offs of the
Laborers 1's and I1's they are now proposing to do. That they can cut
their budget through attrition of job openings which is now in the
budget.
Mr. ilurm err That's an administrative procedure. It's just that simple,
I mean
Mr. Lacasa: Well he raises a question which I guess, Howard, that the
person that has to answer that is Krause. Right?
Mr. Gary: No, no. This is a departmental operation. If Mr. Howard
has a number of positions that would be attrited, he can do one of
three things. He can either use the funds to freeze, to meet his 7%
which this City Commission is requiring. He can use the funds to hire
an additional employee, or he can use the funds to insure that his
reductions for next year will not cause any lay-offs. You know, we can
all come up and say what's happening in a department, but I can tell
you right now, with the freezes going on, with the salary savings that
people have got to achieve, it's very difficult for some of the departments,
particularly Leisure Services and some others, for them to fill those
positions even if they become vacant. They've already been programed
as revenue sources.
Mr. Plummer: Let's not kid ourselves.
Mr. Adams: I'm not trying to kid anybody, Mr. Plummer. I understand, and
I found out this information today, that there was a possibility that
these Laborers I and II's that were on the lay-off list would not have
to actually, in fact, be laid off at this time. And I understand that
you're in a budget crises and that by the end of the year, or by the end
of this budget year that there will have to be some cut -backs. I would
like to inform the Commission at this time, that the AFSCME International
is right now before the U.S. Congress testifying in behalf of all the
major cities throughout this country in hopes to gain federal funding
for parks, for street improvements, for street reparis that would
deteriorate because of your budget cut and lay-offs. And I'm trying to
tell you today that if there's any way that these employees can be
saved through attrition at this time, and as Mr. Plummer said, you're
looking down the road, probably 40 in September. Well let's save these
people now and look down the road at the possibility that we may have
some funding for those.: people down the road. This is all I'm asking.
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Mr. Plummer: Let me tell you something. There're doing some fast
calculations over here. Okay? Because I think the realaties of the
evening better hit home. If Mr. Carollo and I are successful in increasing
the Police Department to 1,000, you are probably looking for...
Mayor Ferre: I think you need one more vote...
Mr. Plummer: No, sir. We've got the others blocked.1hat's what effectively
we can do.
Mayor Ferre: And it works the other way.
Mr. Plummer This is where the minority can rule the majority.
Mayor Ferre: I want to tell you that the minority situation runs 2
ways.
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ir. Plummer: That's right. And this Anglo is now a minority, baby, and
don't you forget it. You forced me into that corner and you've got me
trapped and now I'm going to remind you of it.
Mayor Ferre: But you're not the only one that can play that game, Plummer.
That's the point I'm trying to make to you. You may find out...
nr. r'iummer: Mr. Mayor, what I'm trying to bring home, you know, we are
probably looking, Mr. Mayor, of realization that there are another 300
permanent employees that are going to be gone from this City between
now and October 1. Now that's 1,000 CETA and approximately 300 permanent
more employees.
Mr. Carollo: J. L., not necessarily.
Mr. Plummer: Okay.
Mr. Carollo: The CETA is gone. That's out of our hands. And I'll tell
you, the City of Miami and scores of cities across the country never
should have gotten so dependent on CETA to start off with. That was
a mistake.
Mr. Plummer: Agree. Agree.
Mr. Carollo: You never get anything for nothing. But as far as laying
off 300 permanent employees, I don't think it has to be that high of a
number if we cut back in other areas we could cut back in. And this is
what we're all going to have to try to cooperate and do. Cut back
in other things so that we won't have to lay off so many permanent
employees.
Mr. Plummer: Well Joe, you know. I agree with you. Okay? I don't
disagree. But I think significant amounts, whether it's 200 or 300,
we have got to meet a budget, we have got to increase that Police Department.
Mayor Ferre: All right, Gentlemen, I've got to be at a hospital tomorrow
morning, to get an x-ray, at 7:30, so I'm going to go home and sleep my
5 hours.
Mr. Carrera: I'd like to make a suggestion. Why don't you try to make
us work harder? I am telling you that the Pool Managers, we could work
h.irdtr by one way. Save ... the Pool Division should be maybe put in under
the i'ire Department, then we work under conjunction of the Fire Department,
the Police Department, because let me say this, the Fire Department and
the Police Department use our pools for training and for testing. Thank
you .
Major Ferre: Well, Mr. Gary. I'm sometimes reluctant to talk about
my Maule experience because a lot of people don't understand that the
financial failure of Maule had nothing to do with the efficiency of the
conli)any• It was the credit over extension and debt that finally got us.
. ::aule was very well operated and managed company for many years.
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Mayor Ferre (continued): And there was a time during that when we'd
go through these crunches where things would start to get bad and I had
the Teamsters Union to deal with, and I had the Engineers and the Laborers
Union. Not easy unions. And sometimes in management meetings, we would
walk in and just arbitrarily say, okay, a 10% cut. Right across the board
and I'll be back in 2 months and you tell us how you can operate this
plant more efficiently because my intention is to Vint 1n7 in
2 months unless you come back. And I want to tell you that we had plants
sometimes that would get going on these cutting binges and we'd end up
cutting 30, 35%. And yeah it was tough, but we had people really doing
a let of things. Now you have to bring in an efficiency expert for a
couple of months and what have you. I want to tell you, because we just
saved that mans job, okay, that man isn't working hard enough. I'm telling
you that that man can do a hell of a lot more than he's doing. He doesn't
have enough to keep him fully occupied. Now with what he has, he does.
I'm not telling you. But hey, it's either that or no job. Okay? And now
he has no job and we just voted to save him and maybe 15 or 16 other people.
I'm going to tell you something. You'd better sit down with that man.
You'd better sit down with the other affected unions when we start cutting.
And it's mainly you because we've cut these 300... you try to work this thing
out with the union because I'm going to tell you something, there's no
question that we're going to be cutting people.
Mr. Adams: Mr. Mayor, I completely concur with what you say. I would also
like to state at this point that we are very willing to sit down. We now
have an analyst expert looking at the 80-81 budget out of our Washington
budget. And we haven't had this budget to him long enough for him to come
back with an answer. But I feel confident at this point that we can come
back to this Commission and show where we can save the City money and we're
willing to work with the City in doing this, in other ways other than cutting
manpower.
Mayor Ferre: Well I just want to tell you something. I remember in my
experience a lot of people would say, we can't do that kind of a job.
I'd say, look, you've got one or two choices. I'm either going to lay off
so mane people, I'm going to lay-off 50 people here and that's it. Or
I'll work with you and we'll lay-off 25 and you figure out how to survive.
I'm going to tell you point blank there is no way in Gods world that you're
going to be able to keep those 300 people. You don't have my vote. I
want to tell you that right up front. Now, I'm going to try to save as
many of those as we can. So I'm telling you, you sit down and you
negotiate with the administration as to what jobs you can keep, where you
can double up and where you can get a man a car to take care of 3 pools
rather than one. I don't know how it's done. That's your problem. But
I'm going to tell you either you're going to lose 300 or you're going to
lose 200, or you're going to lose 100. I don't know what it is. But
somewhere along the line we've got to work on that because there's no
way that this City can afford under the stringent problems that we have
to keep the employement levels that we've had until now. I'm sorry.
Mr. Adams: Okay, Mr. Mayor, I would like...
Mayor Ferre: One last thing and I just want to say something to Howard.
I'm talking about this here vote. Okay? Anything that deals with children
especially in the ghetto area and by the ghetto I mean black and Latin,
and any place where you've got poor kids that are playing baseball, or
swimming, or that are doing activities that are organized activities,
that's my number one priority. Like Plummer says everytime we're talking
about Revenue Sharing, hot meals, okay. My priority now is kids. Because
I want to tell you something that's very simple You look at your statistics.
You take all the statistics, gangland wars, in other words, drug related
things, Cocaine Cowboys, you take that out, okay? And I guarantee you
that our numbers are no different than anybody elses in the country, and
that is that 75% of the people that are committing major crimes are
between the age of 14 and 21 or 22. And that the majority of them are
either under drugs or they are in liquor or they are in some kind of
problem of that sort. And so to me, the answer to curtailing crime
has always been to get kids ... and I've got news for you, a lot of kids
aon't like books, and they don't do good with books. And school isn't
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Mayor Ferre (continued): the answer. I'm sorry. I wish everybody was
an Abraham Lincoln. But it doesn't work that way. And so to me, the
alternative has got to be healthy acitivites that kids can get involved
in. I want to tell you something, rich or poor, black or white, Latin
or Anglo, you know, you name it, one thing that motivates 90% of the
kids is doing something physical like swimming, baseball, football or judo,
and you know it. You've been there. And in my opinion, that's as much
as Lacasa said, that's part of crime prevention. It's the best crime
prevention in the world. So as we get into these cuts and these lay-offs,
I don't mean to belabor the park maintenance people. I know parks are
important to be maintained. My priorities is with things dealing with
kids.
Mr. Adams: Mr. Mayor, I'd like at this time, when is your next meeting?
The 22nd?
Mayor Ferre: The 15? Does somebody want to make a motion? All right,
there is a motion that the next regular meeting instead of being on
the 14th be held on May 15th at 9:00 A.M. Is there a second?
The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa , who
moved its adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 81-385
A RESOLUTION RESCHEDULING THE REGULAR CITY COMMISSION
MEETING OF MAY 14, 1981 TO TAKE PLACE ON MAY 15, 1981,
AT 9:00 A.M.
(Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file
in the Office of the City Clerk).
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the resolution was
passed and adopted by the following vote:
AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodore R. Gibson
FOLLOWING ROLL CALL:
Mr. Adams: Mr. Mayor, I'd like to request that I be placed on the
agenda for that meeting.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, sir. Mr. Manager, would you place Mr. Adams on the
agenda.
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69. BRIEF DISCUSSION REGARDING ATTORIIEY ASSIGNED TO COMBAT
PORNOGRAPHY.
Mayor Ferro: Mr. Frank Harder, Mr. Knox, an attorney hired to replace Mr.
Carhart on the pornography, Mrs. Grace Rockafellar has been calling my office,
you remember Mrs. Grace Rockafellar don't you?
Mr. Knox: Yes, sir.
Mayor Ferre: Well, Mrs. Grace Rockafellar says that Mr. Frank Harder is
one crackerjack attorney but that he is so good that you're keeping him
awfully doing an awful lot of less important irrelevant things and first
things first and that we need to get on with the War on Pornography. Would
you call Mrs. Grace Rockafellar and just tell Mrs. Grace Rockafellar is
Mr. Frank Harder is going to really start working on porno problems again?
Mr. Knox: Yes, sir, I'll talk to her.
Mayor Ferre: I've got your promise on that?
Mr. Knox: Yes, sir, I will call her tomorrow.
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90. MODIFY EXISTING HIRING FREEZE TO PEYAIT HIRING OF 6
POSITIONS IN PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND 1 POSITION
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF STADIUMS AND ISARIIIAS .
The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Lacasa who moved its
adoption:
MOTION NO. 81-386
A MOTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO MODIFY
THE EXISTING HIRING FREEZE TO PERMIT THE HIRING OF THE FOLLOW-
ING POSITIONS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AIM THE DEPART-
MENT OF STADIUMS AND MA-RINAS:
PUBLIC WORKS:
3 Laborer I
1 Laborer II
1 Maintenance Foreman
1 Clerk Typist II
STADIUMS AND MARINAS:
1 Secretarial position in the Director's Office.
Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the motion was passed and
opted by the following vote -
AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo
Commissioner Armando Lacasa
Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Mayor Maurice A. Ferre
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Vice -Mayor (Rev.) Theodoer R. Gibson.
91. DISCUSSION OF LENGTH OF CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS:
(1) No 2 MEETINGS TO BE HELD ON THE SA^SE DAY
(2) ADJOURNMENT OF MEETINGS NO LATER THAN 10:30 P.M.
(3) BREAK FOR LUNCH AT 12 NOON.
Mayor Ferre: I would like to say, Mr. Gary, that I want to make a motion
that we no longer have Zoning Meetings in tandem with Regular Meetings be-
cause this is ridiculous.
Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, you know at the sake of losing some good friends
because I've got to speak for Father who is not here, you know this meeting
was supposed to start....
Mayor Ferre: I wonder why.
Mr. Plummer: Because he was hurting.
Mayor Ferre: It was supposed to start at 9:00 and it started at 9:10.
Mr. Plummer: No, sir, it did not. This meeting started at 9:20.
Mavor Ferre: Oh, big deal. And that, of course, would have made us finish
at 10:00.
Mr. Plummer: No, wait a minute now, this meeting was supposed to start back
at 2:00, it didn't start until 3:00. Now, you know, I want to tell you some-
thing, you boys like to be late and that is where the lateness is coming but '
let me tell you what you know and I know....
Mayor Ferre: I was here at 9:10.
Mr. Plummer: I didn't say you, I said if the shoe fits wear it.
Mayor Ferre: Plummer, we can't go on like this. In the first place,Father
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Gibson can't take it.....
Mr. Plummer: You know what you're doing? I'm going to tell you what you
are doing. You are effectively creating 3 meetings a month, that's what
you're doing.
Mayor Ferre: Well, I'd rather do that than to have to go through this assanine
procedure where we end up at 2:10 in the morning and God knows how valid our
deliberations have been for the last hree or four hours, we're absolutely
groggy and I'm not just speaking by myself. You don't look so with it your-
self, Mr. Manager.
Mr. Gary: I'm not disagreeing with anybody.
Mayor Ferre: Yes, so let's cut out all of this. I make a motion that in
the future we have second Zoning Meetings not in tandem - no more meetings
like this, Joe.
Mr. Plummer: Well, you're effectively going to go to three.
Mayor Ferre: I'd rather do that than to have to go to 2:00 O'Clock in the
morning.
Mr. Carollo: Maurice, most of the time we get done about 11 O'Clock or
10 O'Clock. How about if we do this, only when we're going to have really _
really long and we know we're going to have long ones because I think
most of the time we've gotten through by 10 or so.
All right, I'm going to put it to you this way, I'll change
my motion. I will move that in the future,no matter what happens,we adjourn
meetings at 10:30 and that we announce that at the beginning,and when 10:30
comes around we cut off the meeting and that is it,and whatever hasn't been
handled, Mr. Citizen, you'll have to come back.
Mr. Plummer: All right, I'll tell you what, let's go the other route. If
you want to go that route? At 12:00 O'Clock noon whoever is speaking is
the last speaker and we break for lunch.
Mr. Carollo: And Plummer will turn into a pumpkin.
Mr. Plummer: Let's do it right.
Mayor Ferre: Hey, but I'll tell you, that also requires..... between all
of you, Howard, it is an impossible job as Angela can tell you, God knows
that she has suffered with it, nobody can predict, but we really need to
sit down. Actually, the Charter, by the way, says that I must set the agenda.
So I want you to come to see me if for no other reason that I think between us
we can more or less guage what time it will take. Okay? Let's get agendas
that are a little bit more reasonable. Okay? All right, and I'll tell you
what I would actually like to set some time perameters on the agenda itself.
There being no further business to come before the City Commission,
the Meeting was adjourned at 2:10 O'Clock A.M.
ATTEST:
Ralph G. Ongie
City Clerk.
Matty Hirai
.._ t f Clerk
MAURICE A. FERRE
M A Y O R
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