HomeMy WebLinkAboutM-81-0441he City of 1.1tami has been lnstuall-
Over t'l le p, t four y ears, the U L I
Ing mercury vapor (:."*V) lighting to replace and upcIrrade old
vapor
t light:�i.I�- U F r i r to 1977, the City policy had
he use '
been to conduct most 0 light up;-r-ad_,,, by L,
'L h i p re o u r e so d 1 1 m I -I 3 V I iqhts Thl-s chanf-,e
ii1,.,ol Icy ,�:as prnmpt-d by t h LiC0m.n16s-,0- me 0
Novem*--- 11, ln'76 c c)f Tri-inutes atta_ ,ej) !-i,J subseq,ient
bud�-le-V arY m(eti,j;s held by the Clt!;
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that t iime was de-_, ILd -d C, 0 in3 ` ,l i 1,1V l, if HFSV
be ne.,,,jej, there s".1ould be
I L;--iborhood 3urve.*; to as(_2rtn 'It the p ro ,D er uy owners
a ne
were in favor ofe ins; 1h Ja* -oximately
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L. e i -10T-Iest' �,O ul-,;-rade the
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lia lut ely north of the omn
In t e rn a,; lo n a I C 0 P.1 I E� S e r �,u�-sts aere r-rompted by an
in!2reas-,� in, th' nit 7`11-1., t crime, _L U- h I n that n e 1, o r 1.10 0 Q
over 1-3 -
Present I V) .!x the neli7,hborh ,od
we mu'S'l i;o_ to a 1i"SV light
to up,�,rade tit,as
order
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Therefoi-2 light o I' all the above w e c o nd,,i c t ed -a sui
of all t h e p r,:) e r t ly o,.- ;jl(j-I,:; in the area boun],2_1 b,; N. 'E" 17
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Str/.,�t to Ev 24' Stveet,
Ba, and I, o on .-,,h(?th,?r or not they want
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d a t,,, 32'� owners P()11*?d, w e h a rect- ived 191
'D -oi4�t in favor vote,i
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of PSV 1i�;htii� and bh1Y 10 percent voted against The
ftyesr► votes already represent over 52 percent of the total
property owners boiled, This is a strong approval for the
proposed HPSV liChting=
The Department of Public Works is in agreement with the need
for upgrading this existing street light system, and we recori-
mend that the commission authorize us to proceed: This proposed
upgrading will increase the street lighting budget approximatelj
$2,500 annually. Ile anticipate a slight surplus in the 1980-81
street light budget that will more than cover the increase during
the months remainint in this budget year.
This street light up radi_ng will actually represent a savings in
energy. Instead of the present 175 watt MV luminaires, we will
be using 150 prat:t HP`T luminaires. (A 14 percent reduction in
energy.) flecause of the more efficient iciient HPS-,T light source, the
light outpu`; will increase from the current 7,000 lumens to l6,�Ob
lumens (a 128 percent increase in light outr.ut).
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IMPROVED STREET LIGHTING FOR YOUR r1EIGRRORHOOb
We have received requests from residents in your
neighborhood for
the upgrading
of the street light system within
the area bounded
_ by N.E. 2 Avenue, Biscayne Bay, N.E. 20 Street
and N.E. 24 Street
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The existing street light system consists of 15 foot tall concrete
poles with post top mercury vapor luminaires, which produce a blue -
white light. In order to achieve a higher light output, we need to
install high pressure sodium vapor luminaires, which produce a yellow-
orange light. These luminaires would provide over three times as much
light as the present system. If the property owners and the City
Administration approve this upgrading, the light source and style of
luminaire to be used on all the roadways would be similar to those in
the Bay Point and Eay Heights neighborhoods. We do not plan to re-
arrange the exictinc; poles except in a few locations where the trees
interfer with the lir:hts.
In order to afford all the property owners a voice in determining
whether or not they rant increased lightinE, for their neighborhood,
we have enclosed a survey :slip. Please let us know whether or not
you want the improved lighting by marking the appropriate box on the
slip. Then fill in your name and address and insert the slip in the
pre -addressed and stamped envelope we have enclosed. If we determine
that this project is "go", we would like to start installation as soon
as possible; therefore, will you please send in your slip within the_
next ten days.
Since street li,-htinr_, in the City of I.1iami is paid for by the City at
Large, there will be no direct charge levied afainst the abutting pro-
perties in this area.
If you have any questions an this matter, please call Mr. Jack Starks
(35C-7932) of thin Department. Thank you for your participation.
Sincerely
Do ald W. Cather, P.E.
Director
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Estimado propietario:
MEJOR ALUMBRADO PARA SU VECINOARIO
demos recibido peticiones de residentes en sU vecindario Para
mejorar el alumbrado de las calles dentro del area comprendida
entre la N.E. 2 Avenida, la Bahia de Biscayne, y las calles
20 y 24 del N. E. (Vea el mapa adjunto).
El sistema existence de alumbrado consiste de poster de concreto
de 15 pies de altura con 15mparas de vapor de mercurio en la
Punta, las cu5les producen una luz blanco-azulosa . Para poder
obtener mayor luminosidad, necesitamos instalar 15mparas de
vapor de sodio de alta presi6n, las culles producen luz amarillo•-
naranja. Estas 15mparas proveerian m5s del triple de la luz
que da el presente sistema. Si los propietarios y la Adminis-
traci6n de la Ciudad aprueban estas mejoras, el tipo de luz y
estilo de 15mpara que se usaria on todas las calles seria
similar a aquellos usados en las barriadas de Bay Heights y
Bay Point. No tenemos planeado relocalizar los postes existentes
excepto en unos pocos lugares donde los 5rboles interfieren
con el alumbrado.
A medida de proporcionarle a los propietarios un medio de
expresarse para determinar si desean o no el nuevo alumbrado
para su vecindario, hemos incluldo una papeleta de encuesta.
Por favor sirvase avisarnos si desea o no estas mejoras al
alumbrado marcando el espacio apropiado on la papeleta. Complete
su nombre y direcci6n, e inserte la papeleta en el sobre
franqueado que le hemos incluido. Si se determina que el projecto
"va", nos gustaria empezar la instalaci6n tan pronto sea
posible; por to tanto, por favor envie su papeleta dentro de
los pr6ximos diez d1as.
Ya que el alumbrado de calles on la Ciudad de Miami to costea
la Ciudad en general, no habr5 ning5n costo directo que se vaya
a adjudicar a los propietarios adyacentes en esta 5rea.
Si tiene usted alguna pregunta sobre este asunto,
dirijase al se:ior Roberto Lage (350-7932) de este
Gracias por su participaci6n.
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IMPROVED STREET LIGHTING FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHGOD
We have received requests from residents and businessmen in your
upgrade the street light system within the area
neighborhood to upg N.E. 17 Street and N.E.
bounded by N.E. 2 Avenue, Biscayne Bayrese requests were prompted by
19 Street. (See attached parts of the neighborhood.
high incidences of crime inn p
onsists of 15 foot tall concrete
The existing street light system c
luminaires, which produce a blue -
poles with post top mercury vaporwe need to
In order to achieve a higher light output, yellow -
install light. produce a y
install high pressure sodium vapor luminaires, which
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oran e light. These luminaires would provoownershand theree eCity much
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light as the present system. If the propertythe light source and style of
Administration approve this upgrading,
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luminaire to be used on all theroadways
gaycHeights neighborhoods.
be similar to those in the Bay poles except on Bayshore
We do not plan to rearrange the existing p
Poles
would be installed
Drive. On this street 30 foot tall concrete g over the roadway facing
on the west side with the luminaires extendingthose
Margaret Pace Park. These street
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light than the existing system.
imately seven times more
property owners a voice in determining
In order to afford all the i i
Nether or not they want increased lighting for their neighborhood,
w slip. Please let us know whether or not
we have enclosed a survey the appropriate box on the
you want the improved lighting by marking in the
slip. Then fill in your name �andeaddr}j3Veaenclosednd t tile
}If weldeter.mine
pre -addressed and stam��ed envelope
o^, would like to start installation Within
that this project is 9 we will you please send in your slip
soon as possible; therefore,
. we .,C.-_Zr ten days.
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MEJOR ALUMBRADO PARA SU V'ECINDARI0
eticiones de residentes y comeYoiarttes eft sti
Hemos reci�ido p la Bahia de
�tecindario Para mejorar el alumbrado de las Galles den ro -
2 Avenida, untoi
del area comprendida entre 119Ndel N.F. (Vea el mapa adj
Bisca_:ne, y las Galles 17 y =
Estas peticiones se suscitaronadioido a altas incidencias
de crimen en partes del vecind
onsiste de ostes de
E1 sistema e:{istenteddeai u�arcoi Iimparas de vapor de
concreto de 15 pies zblan tamos
mercurio en la Punta, las cuales producers una luz b anco-
azulosa. Para poder obtener mayor lurninosidadesi6n, las
instalar 1 mparas de vapor de sodio de alta P lamparas
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cuales producen luz amarillo-naran3 lle da el Presente sistema.
proveerian mas del trip
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Si los propietarios y la AiuZnistraci6n de laarauque se
oras, el tipo de y estilo de 1ai
estas mej shore Drive) seria
usaria on todas las calles (exCepto Bay ostes
similar a aquellos usados en las barriadas de Bay Heights y
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Bay Point. No tene�osB�a�`shoreoDrivecalizar los p
existentes exceato pies de altura y en la
instalarian poster de concreto de 30
�Saraaret Pace. Este tipo de
arte oeste, con las lamparas colocadas por encima de a
P arque . _ shore Drive
calzada y de frente al pa el
luces seria^. como aquellas mas �rocimadamenteesiete veces mas ;
pr6ximas al Omni. Proveer5:1 aI
luz que el presente sistema•
A medida de proporcionarlc a los
Propietarios un medio de
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Para su vecindario,
por favor sirvase avisarnoslsoiad�oLi,donO en la cl
alumbrado marcando el espac ie inserte la papeleta en h
noml�re y direcci6n► c; Se dnt�Yi11.!�q ot1rOIltO
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sabre este asunto, por favor
Si tiene usted alguna p J de este Departamento.
dirijase al senor Antonio Soto (35�)-793..
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Mr. iioddet: Gentlemen, my name is Martin Hodder. I am here today because I aw
a citizen of Miami for the last 33 years and I can't afford to Pay my taxes this
year. I have taxes on a 3-bedroom residence in the City of Miami. that exceed
$1,800. I am concerned about --the specific nature of my complaint is this
program to give the City of Miami 1007, high-pressure sodium vapor lighting. I
think it is unnecessary and wasteful. In 1969 the City spent on street lighting
$753,000, now they are spending about $3,000,000. I think it has been misrepre-
sented to the public that the sodium vapor lighting is a greater bargain than the
riercury vapor that we are accustomed to. The fact is that every time you change
from mercury vapor to sodium vapor you go from about 200 watts to 400 watts sodium
and you double your cost per bulb per month. You pay Florida Power and Light
Company on a public service rate con-:Iission for this. But you are increasing the
costs to the taxpayers of this City in ad valorem taxes tremendously. Now, I am
the first one to agreed that in certain highway lighting situations, or high crime
areas, or other applications, that good lighting is necessary and desirable, but
the idea of going in every:•:he.re, throughout the City, and changing these bulbs a-
a tre--endous cost to the people that live here and making the heavens glow red at
ni 1t and raking the prostitutle5 on Biscayne Boulevard better able to peddle their
wares and having children out there at mi_dright playing baseball, I think is wrong
and I've seen all these things and I object to it, and I am not some kind of a gu:.
who is against progress or against street lighting but I thin% this City should do -
certain things, forgive me if I give you all of this at once but I was told I only
had 10 minutes. I think that first of all this Cit; should have its Legal Depart-
ment undortake a study. The Public Service Co:i�mission rate structure that allows
Florida Power and Li�tlt Co. to charge alr_ost $1B for a sodium vapor light which is
supposed to be more lumens per dollar vs. $5.59 for a mercury lamp. I think the
City oug`.lt to reconsider installation of post -top lamps which when they are
installed only are 250 watt sodium vapor lamps. I thine: that we ouUilt to reconsider
our whole commiitr:.2nt to this total change in the whole City. We are already at 50i.'
WO have our City cost go to $3,000,C00. I think that we should have some kind of
a reforendu:l if the people really mane this. j:e had a Bond issue and for one
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reason or another they indicated thug to encumber bonded indebtedness
it may be that they did not like that. The bond issue failed, yes. The point again
is that I think, first of all, we are paying too much if we are. going to hive it,
second of all, we've got 50:; that may be enough. If we are going to have it we
ought to consid!r ,cttin- the Public Service Cormission to get us a better rate,
cd
and lastly ----I've for-otten the last point.
Mayor Ferre: Well, I'M sure you'll remember it while we discuss this. —Mr.
would you lire to answer part of it?
.Ir. Grassier 4,e11, rather than answer Mr. ;Iayor, I would like to have one o
staff give you a couple of facts and possibly it mil;tlt be of interest to you
Mayor Ferre: Walt, wait, wait a minute. Before that happens and as a matter of
procedure this gentleI:!::I1 of course has the right of any citizen to col o before this
Cor.:.mission and talc: to us about any subject he want:, to. We have an op. n door policy
harm ---a lot of other CoiG,mL. ;Ions around here don't have tliis, but we do, we bc:.liave
in this, now - I think it is important that .... I don't feel that it is approprial'.�
for him to have a disco ;;i.oa with the staff hcrL�. I Lhink lie should have sat do.m
wi tli staff and should have gone through....
I-Ir. Crassie: He did.
Mayor Ferre: ...oh, lie did.
Mr. Hodder: Mr. Mayor, I did sit down with the staff and had a discussion with
them in which my viers were Put forth and in which the staff gave me soma i.nforma-
tion on recent budget expenditures for street lighting, that's how I was able to
crake the stateme:its I did at this meeting.
Mayor Ferre: So, in other words, you have been properly informed in all the..,,
tr. Hodder; Right,.,and I just remembered my last point. In the course of my
discussions with the st:iffi they indicated to tie that there will be eettain
budget restrictions on the Public Works Department and I respectfully sugi,est
since this is a policy to be set by the ComrlisSiOn that this Commission consider
retardin- the advancement of that sodium vapor li htin pro0ram as one of the
major areas in which the Public Works expenditures are reduced and I further
think that before we make an;; further commitment to this, we should perform some
kind of studies that will tell that there is some justification for going into
quiet residential areas of the City and installing this type of lightincl
g because
thbUgh there are people that desire it, there are LLiny that don't and I think we
have to consider the rights of those that don't want it and also ought to consider
the cost to taxpayers because I can tall you that I can't afford to live here any-
more.
;favor Ferrel If there are 10 to 1 in favor how come it failed, J.L.?
Co.:.tlissioner Plu=er: Because people are voting against bond issues, the didn't
want to pay for it all in one year.
Mayor Ferre: Well, they didn't pay against three other bond issues.
Co=issioner Plu--ner: Mr. Mayor, if you want to know the truth on the bond issue
_ the facts are a little wrong, I think the City is 64, lighted. Am I correct,
Xr. Grassie? ....And I'll tell you the reason people voted against it, I told
you the reason prior to the bond issue, very simply, 641% of the people have more
or less got it for nothing and they did not want to pay just like Grapeland Heights
didn't want to pay for the parks in bond issue, they already got it, why should
they pay for the other 35: to pay it, ---I told you before it was going to fail.
I will tell you Nr. 'Nayor that, of the calls that I receive -and I received three
calls yesterday wanting to know when are the lights going in my neighborhood, and
I would say 'Mr. Mayor that the avers-e that co -:es into my office is about 10 to 1,
for every person opposed there are 10 people canting to know when are they going
to get it, why haven't we got the:, why some of the other cities got them and we
haven't.
Mr. liodaer: May I state another point?
Mayor Ferre: Let's let the :tanager have an opportunity to answer and then I'll
recognize you again, o.k.?
Mr. Grassie: Possibly Mr. Francis,
of the
Public Works Department,
could -for the
benefit of the City Co�.'liission- present
a
couple of facts.
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Mr. Fran�_is: Mr. Hodder brou,;ht up
t,..o or
three points. I believe
his first one
was the cost to the property o:rner
such as
himself for the high pressure sodium
vapor li `iting versus the mercury lighting
he would prefer to have.
He ran a
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ctlec�, oZ this and found out t,lat thcost i. _eror > }
reli;;h�. i with the hi. h prc:,..u. .>odiu- vapor .ter: ua the intensitylow rinrcury v..t .�r
that he o—.11d choose cost talc a' er --e lion'? O'wn_'r 2-3/4 cC:nts per ni�11t, whiell SP.L°':'.5
relative?y sma11 for the amount of: li,ht that hi- '11 be ceLLin- on that street, and
also ht_ brought up th.a point of power consitzipti.on, well, naturally, we also kicked
this; up an1....
Mayor F,.rro: Let me understand your first state mont. You said 2 point... let's say '
3 ck_:1t:: ;),>r day, nu:i, as 1. rer.:om.b,•r about a hundred and soc:e odd Lhnusand households
in ,-!;-17::i, ,,,so- are you t.01.Lill,; Me th.iL what you.. are talk!ti- about is $3,000 a
d:1y... I ; t11.1L WhAL you are tall; n,; about?.. .
ir. hr:(ni'l:i: l:haL :d�' arC t;aylll:; lb C11:1C tilt' aver ?u ac.cord111; to tl`o Statistical
report of the CiLy of. Mini l., thy' avt'r:l;;i ho,:tt` in Chi' City Of i'll:11li is aSSeS.S(`d at
$2.4,000 and d(r.:ii ahOuL Lhe co -It of t110. hi-li pressuro soditi. 110itin;;
wo have 1 nil brill -ill:; c;On,.eLhin;:; like $3.6 rlillion...and breakin;; this down the share
to that indtvidu.tl ho:ae o;anur in his $2+,000 home...is 2-3/4 cours. per 11i,,ht.
!Iayur Ferre: All ri ;ht, I ulld(•r:.t:lnd. That is the 2-3/4 cents per night. , .let ua
round it up to 3 cents. I repeat I understood.everythin you told me., no•.; you follow
what I AM goin,; to tell you. There are 100,000 homes in th.. City of lliami, at 3q
accordia-, to m_1 arithmetic you are talkin- about $3,000 a day, ri„ht? There are
three t11_;ldred and„..hatevcr it i:; days a year...365 days, and if I multiply times
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Mr. Grassie: Yes, that's right:
Mayor Ferre: O.k., I just wanted to make that point►
Commissioner Plummer: And, 'Mr, Nayor, one other point you have got to make also
is comparison. This gentleman is in opposition to the point but the point is very
simple --one light as opposed to the other is 7 times brighter and less lights
are needed.
Mayor Ferre: O.k.,let's go on to the other point you wanted to make and then wef11
go back to Mr. Hodder.
Mr. Francis: All right, this was tale point of energy consumed. I believe this
gentleman said that there was a great deal of wasted energy in this street light-
ing system. The amount of electricity consumed by the City after it is completely
lighted with high pressure sodium vapor ---not now, but after it is completely
lighted ---amounts to less than seven tenths (7/lOLhs) of 1% of all the electricity
consumed in the City. We are tall.ing about a very small a.-ount. And also if we
are talking about energy, I don't think we should be looking at street light elec-
tricity inasmuch as we are talking about... .when you are L-alkino about energy you
are talking about fuel, in here we are talking about the amount that is used in
automobiles... It just makes anything that is used on street lighting a drop in the
bucket. Now, for instance, I don't want to dwell on the statistics but I only wanL
- to give you one point ---there is approximately 258,000 vehicles in the City of
Miami and they drive about 23 miles a day. All right, now the added fuel consumed
by a high pressure sodium vapor street lighting system per day would be sufficient
to drivethese vehicles only 333 yards --that would not get you from the front
door to Bayshore Dr. so I thin: you see the enemy that we use on street lighting
is just very small compared to what we use for other purposes, ---I'm bringing it
into perspective ...I want you to recognize that point. And I agree with Mr.
Plummer, we get calls do..-n tl;cre saying -we don't like it, we get calls from people
saying -we want it. Our calls are running between 5 to 1 and 10 to 1, of people
saying -when are we going; to have that lighting.
Mr. Hodder: i•ir. Plummer Dade a statement that the new sodium vapor lights are
seven times brighter, I would have to ask him to prove that because there is a
rate schedule that lists out the amount of lumens which is a Measurement of light
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that you get
per bulb....
Commissioner
Plummer: 4,400 to 28,000.
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Mr. Hodder:
It depends exactly what you are replacing. My understanding is that
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most of the
lamps that are r:orcury vapor installed in the City, excluding the
incandescent....
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Commissioner
Plu:-mer: I am not talking about the mercury vapor, I am talking
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about the...
Mr. Hodder:
Arc you talking, about the incandescent lamps?..,
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Commissioner.
Plu=ner: Yes.
Mr. Hodder.
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Well, that's no fair comparison because we are. not advocating in-
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candescent lamps,
1 am nclvocating riercury vapor lighting which is the reasonable
kind.
Commissioner !1lty .k!r: I am Ilot �^,Uin�; to ar uo. t-he point. I am roi.n,- to Say that the
sodium vapor gi,V n, you 2S,O;tO 1w:,.,!n . That is bci:,ccl on somcLhin�, LhaL you did not
brim, out in your presentation that thero are two types of sodium vapor, one that is
used in the commercLal areas. which is a 400 watt bulb, as opposed to the residontial
areas which is a 250 watt bulb.
Mr. Hodder: A;ain, Sir, I respectfully disagree with you because I asked these
questions of your staff in Public ;corks and they told rye that the .only places that
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they use this 250 watt bulbs is in post top
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Commissioner plumper` Yesj Sir, residential—
ave ales that "I"
the City
pIr . Hodder
But most of our residential areas residentialhAreas that ha" theft" `
s on them not post -top. There are only
lamp �
gaypoint and Bay Heights.. -
Commissioner Plummer: How about
Mr. Hodder: EXClt''
e Me? tile not familiar with that area but my point is that
post -top applications are limited in the areasty �fvouaareand
puttingfact
400 watt
the p P or lamps
when you go in and relight these residential 175 ;:att mercur vap�
bulb where you take out less than 200. Actually,
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and you are paying over double for that. e
getting 47,000 lumens in replace of 7,000 lumens,.. the
�Ir. Francis: You are g �ht. Your light is measured
right, ou get about 7 times as much lio
Comxi.ssioner is rig , Y u1
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in the lumens not in the wattage.'
the present bulb?
Commissioner Plu•iaer: l+'hat is the wattage
of
vapor that are now 000 lumens respectively.
in use, Sir, some are 135 watts
Mr. Francis: The mercury P
and some are 175 watts,
that gives you about 4,500 to 7,1
And what are beingused
the bulbs that are
used in the sodium
ConmissiOt:�•r Plu;.r,.er: • , 1
vapor?
ancis: The sodium are 250 and 400, and give you 27,000 lumens and 47,000
Mr. Fr with the sodium.
lumens respectively, so you get 7 times as much light
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Hodder:
Gentle
en, this brings ve to my next point.
that so much light is not necessar;; and is wastefu J• an, uselessenergy e in a time when
dnif
oir. to .have to conserve more en�rC• then
Americans are g O 11,`s us more electricity for our money,
this technology of this no 1.•rip g �oi�l„ to 400 ::a-t bulbs wllcn we've been
we still shouldn't co: --lit ourselves to 0
getting away with 145 to 175 watt bulb. entle.aan just
you are not liste:li:lo, Sir, the E
Co:�lissioner Plu „ar: ;Sr^ �'od250'�`att bulbs.
told you that we are goin- post -to
If you ask llim again he will tell you that that is only on p P
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installations.
Mr. Francis,
Coc:laission`r Pluraer: we are going to what wattage bulb installation
in sodium v:lpor?
In sodium vapor we are usi
ng two wattage ---you are both correct on
c1r. Francis:
let rc sho,a you. In the residential areas c:c re
have a3Lt`S,ein theas
this,of
this, o•�t-top �, ---in that instance we usa
lilhtud by P li^hts olas in the street . �:e are
post-tup, 80 w, tll the other, in the
the residential arcls though where we have utility p
using the 400 w;ltt, and it is about 20 p "
residential areas.
lr . I Ioddcr: I. ll lvc tlo disai,rccc ant with what I.-Ir. Francis stilted I just object to
that wasteful. application.
Co:u,li.ssiono Pl
u; .•;;.r• 1�1r. 11odder, do you know wily this City started, originally,
this sodiu:;► vapor pru�;ram'.
I've buoll told wily by your Public Worr, Dapartmant, they told ma that
ter. Hodder:
the c:stemmed fur"10r City 21an ger wt!llt to the City of Washington and tna_
1�1c. Reese,
di.scoval'cd in that City that this was deoirabla for
a determination ell whcitcver he
and I blink that early ill tyke state of thy. prog,rara tha in,:tnllat>ons
this City there were results that personal attacks•.•.
WeTe riade in Ili };I1-crilnO arras wh4r` . I elm sug=��,stin�; that it would be a
Attacks agail�st f,crsans 41cnC down .al,c�ut 3
coin out to wricc ers Offour t;hal.a CitycriarLa and so proclaim it 6y
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ta�ritt i�laziny orange lights in every square inch of the City of ill iais
have a --atic� when I
hit the lights are objectionable, I think that if we problet,
Cheri- but I thine:
started out today I said wherever we need then we should have
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to say that the whole City needs then considering tihe addition
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Mayor Ferre: I'll tell you, I hate to say this,. and I know I am a minority
those`'"'`},.;
in this situation but I've got some bad mis�,ivin5s...I personally think
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lights are horrible...
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Gordon: I as glad you agree with me, I don't like their either.
Co-,missioner
Ferre :....I think they are monstruous and I..you know, we are kind of...
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almost there --64;; left, ..
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'-It. Hodder: I was told 50:; by the Public Works Department.
Mayor Ferre: All right, or 50'. left, and we are on our way to more and all that...
in.
I don't know...We are obviously not goinb to take out a light that we have put
Mr. Hodder: Gentlemen, I am a me;:ber of the District of Columbia Court- of Appeals
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in ?:ashington and I've practiced la:: in t•,ashingto:l, and Igo to that City, and
for a1 application--
can tell you that those li :lts in m_: humbl«! opinion are a speri
- -- different frcm this City ---you have a
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the character of t-o C1�, or „a5hino�t n i�
li:ao to out at night, in so:e streets like
lot of silo -walk cafes and people go
Paris halve all kinds of people in
Connc�.ticut Avenue it rem- you of
in the City that do have an experience in high
�tiaslli::tJn a:d you have se-e areas
cr�me but I can't compare this City to ',;ashin�to:1.
Ferre: I understand, an-d I think that is certainly applicable to do:.rntoc,-n
?layor
in the business district!; but, fran;.1y, to get into residential neigh-
Miami and
Grove, full of treos, and to put these tremendous lights in
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borhoods in Coconut
do is to re-evaluate the whole thing and
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there. ..I thin:: that the least we can
not be adverse to a neig`.lborhood referendum typL
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loos: at it and per:iaps...I would
in areas ,:11ich... and put it up to a referendum, on a referendums-
of a thin, those
basis...And of th,•. 427, that remains if they vote on a
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bas.is..on r.eigihborhood
basis that tii y den t want it's their problem. I an not.
i:ci gh:�ora��od
that we ou ilt to do that ,-It. Grass: just saying, that we ou�nt to
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staying
it and I would elate to recor:.•:c:nd teat staff take this under ad:ice:tent
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y
consider
back, you kaow...and I say this with all due respe :L to My
thir.i: it over, cot1�
am an engineer, I graduated as an
friends file engir.ecrs-- You i:i1o:�, I engineer
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of don't know that but you know :.e engineers get set on tlhinZs and
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and many you
I :'.r. is smiling because he probably recognize, the
;:e so-�ti:aas....an� see
t we bet our minds act oil things and t1:i_il do:1't
same ttllnaboutlu::j�'-r`�..th
do it because it is b��autifu� en�,in�ering,
both: r re with the facts...i:_� are going, to
to 1i zt tilt :Ii101.t' City over aGain...but, it does not. make
1 great ide :
and it is gr -�
I lilac to say that e.. if it is ll right with you, that we
any s^_nsa. would
perhaps. • •c;r�
thi!� for furth: r co :.iderat ion and study by staff and are not
return
nc:::t t«::o montha, that I know of, other than what has
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Mr. Francis: There are so:7.-2 projects which are already ordered..,
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:layor. Ferro: Sde can't ,tc;p those.
Mr. Francis: Iro, no, tnyt!li it^, ordc+red Is co:rmitted.. , .
�• L'ut are are not ;;ping, to be. ordering any raore liglltin� in the ne�:t
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layer Ferro;
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30 clays, are we? ..or 60 daYS
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Francis; I+o, thore is nothingto step us frora holding anything for that
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period,,,
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So why don't w«' just loon; at it z:-ld wily don't you advise Mr, i1odaer.„
+iayoX Ferre:
lock we will advise you when this matter comes up again before Clhe Com•-
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pliis furtli•-r stlidied by staff,
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mr. tioddet! 'blank you 14.1yor,
thane: }•ou t;,,! .bets of
the cotu-Ass%od,
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Con.�tis�ionc.r plut�er' � r.
just one item on
that People of 24 to 26
Road on 2nd Avenue are about
to rip me apart. Can
you tell tie why theft one
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street out of all other roads
hasn't been done?
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mr. Francis: Right now I could.a t, I d have to 00V. 1-1to it ALL n OUZ&
We'll find out why and we'll let you know.
Mayor Ferro: Thank you.
69. FERSUK AbPEARNICE: JOHN DAv I D LUm 1 N
PRgEOSED CHARTER A :E' —SiJT TO DEStGI',AT
1-MOR 1 AS A FULL-T I; '.E POS I 01111 t
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,favor relite: Take up Item No. 48, 111r. John David Lundin.
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Mr. Lundin: Yes, Mr. Mayor, I wish to give a little bit of my t%tne to answer'Ing
Air Hodder, our State of Florida:...
;favor Ferro: Now, wait a minute, you are here on the :.oenda to tall: about a full-
time "favor, which I am very interested in because that might be a perfect out for
me.
Mr. Lundin: I just want to give him a nama before he leaves, of someone t1;at can
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help him and this City with that problem. The Sta1 e o: Florida has been honored
lately by getting a now resident from Illinois who p,c--ably knows more about this
qu•:stion of the correct lighting; ....John Ott, I d--:i't kr.o:: if you know about him,
he has been written up about quite a bit and ocass:onu'ly he speaks on radio
pro -rams because he is interested in e::pcsino his studies which show the effect
Ofvarious frequencies of light on human health and ey=--sight, and he lives now
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in Sarasota so I say that before you ;a:;a permanent ed-.;CaLions on this thing
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I would su`3est, you contact Joan Ott, I think that will help.
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A',ivor Ferre: Well, will get that name to you if you will give us the address we'll
get it...
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tr. Lundin: I don't know the street, it is Sarasota, Florida --he probably is in
the City directory up there.
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.:ayor Ferre: All right, .fr. Lundin we have some other things we have to get to
ar.c; than we want to cet out of here, so I'll. recognize you Sir for your subject
r::atter that you tl, ed to address to tho Commission.
. "r Lundin: hall, I have conic to tha conclusion that this City of Miami is no
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long;cr as so rn:iny people, seem to rep;.ard it just a smal= river ocean front town
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mine I believe that in spite of tho cost and difficultl.s in chat -in the City
Charter, I t1li:1:-: we shutild bc•:_;in to conr;ider to tho Co:::,nIis:;ton level of
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;;ovcrn,:rnt a full timo pr.opo::ition rather than p3rt-ti,7�! with full Lit:;L! :salaries..
In My 110::•2 to:.n of Chicago, %.o have an enormuus City C::unciI there..,.
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;•;:ryor Ferre: I was going to a�;k that, whether or not you came from Chiea o,
:1r. Lundin: Z' 01 1., 110:1 1 aJM .I I-L'!1-1 d(IlL )101.0, 0111y 10 :: 0- V but I already fool
r::oro ll:a' a Miamian. and 1 w1. 11 to IAatk;i! 1:11:1t I consi:lur to be a construcLLve
�Ll-'Z;?;',Lion. I know that IfR'11t1111 ; t11L' City Ch.,.rt,tr is not an easy matter and it'll
t.Ir: tiI:1 - and Lh('re well 1)L' r.lany (I11L•:; t i 011s tU 110 ;,'t t l -d but I wi:;h tl1.;L av` ryone
hore 1•lould consider tilir,hoc nuIh mix:a it. t;11in^., to b_'c 7I' mcvrc. and f::or•! irlportant
all the time, nuL only in our lint. ion,11 crn;;::;unity hI:L int�::rziational. affair_ and I
don't think: that it can b.- rum as a c;m:ll l town with a ;:Irt-tingle CL):rrli: Sion level
e,ovornmunt...to its bo!;t intero.;r. That i:; tho main pint of my presentation.
There art- thin,,!; which I halve then;,ht of ; for iostan.--e, in attacking our crima
problem I thin'r: L11at a full. Lit".O C1W.::1i:;5i011 W0111,1 11ci:, th1; t too. I know that :;e
have a very ea,,',1)1,-- laity flan.:,;. r...i.ik:4� I say, I b•-li.••: - that it is not only our
crimp situation but all our civic: problom-i dot::anli a full -tithe Commission and I