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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC 1984-01-05 MinutesCITY OF MIAMI � I 4 C0M11RlSS10N MINUTES OF MEETING HELD ON JANUARY 5, 1984 (SPECIAL) PREPARED BY THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK CITY HALL RALPH G.. ONGIE CITY CLERK 4 f !1 i TEM NO. (SPECIAL) �+&M JANUARY 5, 1984 IDOSWCE0�� SOLLM ON f10 PAGE NO# 1 DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED RFP`S FOR WATSON ISLAND M-84-1 1-21 2 ESTABLISH SPECIAL MEETING FOR JANUARY M-84-2 21 3 DISCUSSION: SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS. AUTHORIZE ALLOCATION OF $60,000 F.R.S.F. M-84-3 22-26 4 POLICE AND CLEANUP ARRANGEMENTS FOR A PARADE TO BE HELD OF THE MIAMI HURRICANES M-84-4 27-28 5 6 7 JANUARY 12TH IN HONOR DECLARE WEEK OF JANUARY 9 - 15 MIAMI HURRICANES NUMBER ONE WEEK. M-84-5 DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO RESEARCH A STREET, PLAZA OR PARK TO BE NAMED IN HONOR OF COACH HOWARD SCHELLENBERGER. M-84-6 INSTRUCT CITY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE RESOLUTION OF CONDOLENCES IN CONNECTION WITH DEATH OF POLICE OFFICER ROBERT ZORE. M-84-7 DISCUSSION F.R.S.F. - FY 1983-1984 PUBLIC HEARING: REPRESENTATION FROM SOCIAL SERVICES AGENCIES. INTENT OF PRIORITIES OF AVAILABLE FUNDS. M-84-8 M-84-9 M-84-10 9 DISCUSSION OF MARCH 13TH BOND ISSUE i M-84-11 28-29 30 30-91 91-95 MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF MIAMI, FLORIDA * * * * * * * * * * On the 5th day of January, 1984, the City Commissin of Miami, Florida met at its regular meeting place in said City in Special Session to consider business of public impert, namely, Federal Revenue Sharing and Watson Island. The meeting was called to order at 10:10 A.M. by Mayor Ferre with the following members of the Commission found to be present: Commissioner Miller J.-Dawkins Commissioner Joe Carollo * Commissioner J. L. Plummer Jr. Vice -Mayor Demetrio Perez, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre *entered at 10:48 A.M. ALSO PRESENT: Howard V. Gary, City Manager Jose R. Garcia -Pedrosa, City Attorney Ralph G. Ongie, City Clerk Matty Hirai, Assistant City Clerk An invocation was delivered by Mayor Ferre, who then led those present in a pledge of allegiance to the flag. 1. DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED RFP'S FOR WATSON ISLAND. Mayor Ferre: Good morning, Ladies and Gentlemen. This is a Special City of Miami Commission Meeting. The main purpose of the meeting is to com- ply with the law and this is a Public Hearing on the proposed development plan of Watson Island. Secondly, once we have concluded the Watson Island portion, we will be discussing the allocation of Federal Revenue Sharing Funds for social services for the program and what is remaining of the fiscal year 1983-184. At this time I will recognize the City Manager to begin the proceedings by making a presentation of what he is recommending. I think procedurally, unless the rest of you wish to do it differently, I think we ought to let the Manager make a full presentation without inter- ruptions and we will write down whatever questions we have, and then after he finishes, the City Commission will get into a question and answer period with the Manager, regarding the specifics. Subsequent to that, I will recognize speakers from the public to express their position on Watson Is- land, or what is being proposed, or recommendations for improvements or whatever, and then lastly, we will get then into City Commission expressed opinions and hopefully either a vote to proceed, or a vote not to proceed or an extension. I think that covers the full gamut. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I have no problem with your outline. I do have a problem, and I want to put it on the record, that this draft, which was presented to us just this morning, about five minutes ago, is a major difference between that which was a draft presented to me in accordance with law a week ago and I have to say to you, that there are major differ- ences in the two drafts. I don't know whether it would be proper procedure to proceed with the presentation, or give the Commission the opportunity Id 01 JAN 51984 to study the new draft, or cover it at the presentation, because there are some major, major changes in the two drafts. Mayor Ferre: All right, Mr. Manager, do you want to say something? Mr. Gary: Mr. Mayor, I would like to cover those changes in my presen- tation and for the record, I would like to explain that some of them were scrivener's errors and changes. The others were basically clarify- ing points to make sure that not only the City Commission, but the developers who will be bidding on the process clearly understand what the intent of the City Commission would be. Mr. Plummer: Well, I take exception with that. Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Mayor... Mayor Ferre: All right, go ahead. Mr. Plummer: The reason I take exception - I don't think it is a scrivener's error when you go from a proposed development of 40 acres to 68 acres. That is not a scrivener's error. Now, I am not saying, Mr. Gary, that I disagree with the new proposal, but I am saying that there are major changes. Mayor Ferre: I think that is valid. I agree with that. Mr. Dawkins: I also have to say that I am not prepared, and don't intend to discuss this, because you can see, I have gone through here, and areas of concern, I have marked them. I just got this. I have not had a chance to compare this with this. I have not had time to compare this with this, and I am not prepared - as you said, I am very disturbed that you would go from 35 to 68 acres! I told you from the beginning I am against develop- ing Watson Island, and now you go from 35 to 68, which means you have taken up the whole island! Mayor Ferre: Okay, Commissioner Perez, and then I want to say something. Mr. Perez: Also, Mayor, about the five member committee that the Mayor was supposed to recommend five days in advance - the Manager didn't send any information. I think that we are not prepared... Mayor Ferre: I think you are all correct, and Mr. Manager, I would recommend, if my colleagues would accept this, to afford you the oppor- tunity to turn this into a work session and continue the public hearing, because I don't think that we are at a point, where we are ready to come to a conclusion on this, and I would recommend, however, since we do have people that are interested, that we allow the Manager to make his presentation as a work committee and make it a workshop and then we will decide when to continue this public hearing, which I think under the law, we are allowed to do. But, let's hear what the Manager has to say and why he is recommending these things, and let the public reflect its opinion, and then we will get into the public hearing section of it at some other time and we will conclude it at some other time. Mr. Dawkins: Okay, I will accept that. Mr. Plummer: I have no problem with that. Mr. Dawkins: I accept that - the only problem I have with that is, just like with the Bayside Project, I will say it now - I said it then, and I will say it again. We rushed into our RFP's. We had to accept what the evaluation committee recommended, which I had no problems with, but I did not have any input as I wanted to have, and now I plan to have input here. Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr. Mayor, let me give, if I can, a little bit of relief to my colleague. Mr. Dawkins, I agree with you, we did rush into the matter. I think it was the best interest of this City to get the time frame running, but I want you to know that I share your concerns and get even day, if that's what it may be, will be when Mr. Gary brings ld 92 'JAN 51984 6 back the proposal to this Commission for final approval. Mayor Ferre: That's right. Mr. Plummer: And if your problems are not resolved, and my problems are not resolved, and one other member of this Commission's problems are not resolved, Mr. Gary, I think, knows the consequence that he has got to deal with that accordingly. Likewise, with Watson Island. I don't think we can sit here if we sit here for six months and put out what would be considered a perfect proposal, okay? But, the get even day is the day that you make or don't make the final decision on any proposal? Mayor Ferre: All right, sir, based on that, now, we will now proceed. Mr. Manager? Mr Gary: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like to first say - I'd like to give a half apology in terms of getting this back to you late, but secondly, I'd like to say that when we decided in Decemmber to do this, we decided to have a Special Meeting and get the process going so we would have enough time to get the proposals in, and therefore, our time was a little short. Let me just first of all say that the philosophy that I and the Administration have is that we have a valuable piece of land located in a very strategic location, which could assist in furthering the progressive development in downtown Miami. That land now is barren and it is under utilized. I would like to also say that the opportunity for developing that land is enhanced in my estima- tion, in terms of not only what we have done in Bayside, but also in Brickell in downtown, but also in terms of the plans that we have for the Park West Overtown, and I think this will begin to bridge the gap between the Omni North area, all the way down to the Brickell area. The proposal that you have before you, the reason that you have an additional one now is because we learned quite a bit in the last process that we went through and we are trying to refine this so that we can have almost a perfect system in terms of developing the proposal for this site. I'd also like to say that I am asking this City Commission in view of what I said just earlier in terms of the opportunities we have to utilize under - utilized land for the betterment of the City of Miami; that under no circumstances am I asking you or am I asking myself to accept the proposal that is less than of a quality nature, or less than what we think is needed in the City of Miami, therefore, if a proposal is re- ceived, we are not saying that if that proposal is not in the character of the City of Miami, that this City Commission or the City Manager has to accept it. What we are asking is to allow us to go through the process to see what innovative developer can lend to the City of Miami, or propose to the City of Miami for development of that land, and if it is acceptable to the Commission, then we accept it. If it is not, then we do not accept it. After saying all of that, I would like to identify the changes that we have in the RFP. The first, which was mentioned earlier by Commissioner Plummer, addresses the acreage. That is a minor scrivener's error, Commissioner, for the mere fact that the original RFP that you have entailed the development of the whole land, however; for the development side, which includes the amusement, the entertain- ment, and the restaurant was on the south section. The north section was to be done, was to be utilized for a public infrastructure. An original proposal envisioned at the City of Miami will pay for that. I have changed that to say that the developer will pay for the total cost of development without the City having any liability or any financial responsibility in terms of coming up with tax dollars or other tax and revenue dollars to finance that, and therefore, the north side, which was not included in the original acreage is now included because we want the developer to do it as opposed to what the original plan was that the City would do that, so that is not a major, major, change. It is just a change in terms of who is going to pay for the project, and therefore it increases the acreage that has to be developed by the developer. Yes, Commissioner Dawkins? Mr. Dawkins: The Mayor asks that I wait until you finish - go ahead. Id 03 JAN, 51984 Mr. Gary: Okay, the second change that I just alluded to is that there is not an option for the City to pay for public improvement, which may total for $35,000,000 to $55,000,000. in the original proposal they said that the City may, but we were taking into conideration and select a developer, those that agree to pay a portion or all of that cost. We are now saying that the developer will pay all of the costs. The second change was that instead of making an option for the developer to do the marinas and the parking facilities, we saying that that is mandatory. We know we are going to need parking, so he is got to pay for it. It is not optional. It is a mandatory requirement. We know we want marinas out there. It is not optional. We want them to do that. We also clarified the language in terms of the gross vs. net issue which came up through Rouse and J & B process and we now have standardized that to say gross.. But it is always understood that the greatest return, however, is the criteria for which we will evaluate financial returns. Another change is, and that came up from the last proposal, and it is again to refine the process and make it clear to the developer is that we will not permit UDAG to be a method of financing any project. Developers have got to come in with their own dollars and only after we select the developer, the City, at its option may entertain an UDAG from a developer. The reason we are taking that out is because UDAG is uncertain - we don't know what the Federal Government is going to do by the time we get ready to go through the process of developing this land. The next change is that we now have taken out equity parti- cipation as a requirement, and this is to preclude us from getting into the problems of rent a citizen; however, we are encouraging ownership by minorities on basis that they have got to take full risks and they have got to have hands on responsibility with regards to the develop- ment. We have also added, and it is not a change, but we have also added the fact that the... Mr. Dawkins: Give me these pages as you go through where you made these changes, Mr. Gary, please. Mr. Gary: Okay, all of this can be found on the summary side on Page 2. And if you look at the large type, which is the third paragraph, this is the first change. We added here on the third sentence "It is desirable that the development include provisions for outdoor and in- door performing arts facilities, audio-visual theatres, stages, amphi- theatres, arenas, galleries and T.V. and theatre production studios." Additionally, the development may include rides and attractions, and why Bayside is planning for some 220,000 square feet of specialty center, and food service, the City proposed that the Watson Island retail proposals may include up to 90,000 square feet of dining and re- tail facilities as a compliment to the Bayside Project. The next change is on Page 3, where it says the sites (first paragraph) the City is providing a 60 acre land parcel, which includes all of Watson Island except for the U. S. A.I.A. right of way, amphibious aircraft and helicopter terminal, and the City's Japanese Garden. These facili- ties comprise approximately 18.7 acres of land. At this point, I would like to let you know that we have excluded the Yacht Club as being an on -going facility, if those developers so decide. What we have provided for is the retention of the Japanese Gardens, the amphbious aircraft, and the helicopter terminal, which includes Chalk Airways. It also provides too, that it gives the developer flexibility in terms of or- ganizing his proposal that these facilities can be relocated within the island, to assure that they work, though. It also provides for the Historic Coral Rock House to remain on the Island, and that also can be relocated and hoping that that can be turned into a restaurant. The next change, Mr. Mayor, and Commissioners, is in the funding and it deals with - the first significant one is the second sentence, that says the City expects proposer to provide equity and debt capital ade- quate for the proposal development, and that is to insure that they have adequate funding to insure the financial success of the project. The second sentence, while the City expects the developer to provide all the funding, all the funding to the development, the City, at its option, may exercise its authority to use -issue tax-exempt revenue bonds as a financing tool for an amount not to exceed $35,000,000 for prepara- tion of Watson Island site, including all aspects of the infrastructure and public and facilities included, but not limited to vehicles and 04 :JAN 51984 Id pedestrian bridges, access and service roads, parking facilities sani- tary sewer connections to the main land and site utilities. Basically, what this says it says they are responsible for financing everything. We may allow them to use our tax advantages and our financing capabili- ties through the bond market - the issue of tax revenue bonds, provided they pay for that through a guaranteed backup pledge and covered debt service as the year goes along through the amortization process.. The last change was the UDAG which I talked about, and that is then it be- comes optional. Mr. Mayor, and members of the Commission, I also... Mr. Dawkins: May I say you also ... I am sorry for cutting you off, Mr. Gary ... you also made a changed in equity participation. What page is that on? Mr. Gary: That is on page 20. You will notice that we don't have a requirement for equity participation. It basically says that minorities expect to be an integral park of the developmert team, participating substantially in construction contracts and jobs and comprises and a significant part of the permanent management team as well as all business and work force created by the development. We also made some changes in terms of the numbers for evaluating each proposal, Page 13. Mayor Ferre: The process of evaluation, is that what you said? Mr. Gary: Yes, sir. This is to do the scoring, based qn the criteria. The change, Mr. Mayor, and members of the Commission, first one I would like to mention is that under the original RFP, and the one we utilized under Rouse and the J.M.B. Bayside Project, we had Item Number.,2, financial capability to the level of financial commitment, combined with financial return which is Number 3, now. We are separating those out. The finacial capability is separate and financial return is separate. We have also, Mr. Mayor, eliminated one other criteria, and that was the project management team, because we thought that was somewhat of duplication of Number 1, experience with development team, including specific experiences with similar projects, so therefore, we have now a change in the scoring. Experience of the development team is 20%. Financial capability is 20%. 30% for financial return, that is very significant, over and above the top two. Number 4, overall project design, that should be 20%, not 25%. An extent of minority participation is 10%, Page 13. Another change is on the same page and it is the first paragraph that says the proposers are expected to make all disclosures and declarations as requested and to deliver along with the proposal a Cashier's check for $15,000, Mr. Dawkins: You had $50,000 on the other one. Mr. Gary: I am changing that, because I think that is prohibitive in terms of allowing people to bid. Mayor Ferre: now much does it cost? Mr. Gary: Hear me out first. Mayor Ferre: Yes, all right. Mr. Gary: Which shall be non-refundable. We are keeping the $15,000. Mr. Dawkins: We would want to keep the $50,000. Mr. Gary: Well, wait a minute, let me explain it to you though. These funds are intended to cover expenses incurred by the City in preparing and issuing an evaluating a request for proposal. If, such expenses ex- ceed these funds; for example, we get two proposals and $30,000, and we spend $100,000, the successful proposer will be expected to provide funding for the remaining expenses. They will be required... shall. Is that okay, Mr. Attorney? Shall... provide funding for the remaining expenses. And the reason we thought $50,000, at least I personally thought $50,000 was excessive, and may preclude or maybe a disincentive to get people to bid. It could raise the issue for minor- ities that we are indirectly excluding them from participating, because ld 05 JAN 51984 of excessive fees. So, we are covered by the $15,000, and we are guaran- teed that the total expense will be covered because the successful bidder will have to pay the difference - the same thing we did we Cable T.V. Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr. Gary, I will wait, but I disagree with that. I don't think that.... Mr. Dawkins: In total. Mayor Ferre: We will get into that after Mr. Manager. Mr. Plummer: $50,000 on a $50,000,000 project I don't think is out of line. Mayor Ferre: After the Manager concludes, we will get into many, many subjects of discussion. Mr. Gary: Let me just explain one thing, that the last RFP, the $50,000 is going to be a refundable amount, so, that is what I propose. Mayor Ferre: We will get into discussion after you conclude your state- ment. Mr. Gary: Mr. Mayor, I have concluded my statement. Mayor Ferre: All right, let me then begin. I have made my little notes here, and the Chair will take the prerogative of beginning the discus- sion. I have made my notes here. In the first place, Mr. Manager, I would recommend that in that pprtion of the definition of infrastructure, where you say parking, access, roads, sewerage connectors, there is a place here where there is a definition. Mr. Gary: Top of Page 4, Mr. Mayor. Mayor Ferre: Thank you. There is a place here where there is a defini- tion of what the $35,000,000 can be expended for, and I understand it on the top of Page 4, and I will read what it says now, and I will tell you what I would like to add. It says public facilities including, but not limited to, and I understand that broadens the whole thing, okay, to the vehicular and pedestrian bridges, access and service roads, parking fa- cilities, sanitary sewer connections to the mainland and site utilities. I would like to put up for discussion the addition of improvements in the beauty, landscaping, and artistic qualitities of the area, in other words, and if you want to put major, that would be okay - in other words, and I am not talking about putting flower beds, but I am talking about perhaps bringing in major trees or major pieces of art or something like that. I have no objections that in the infrastructure, we would in- clude the amenities that would, I guess, be broadly classified as beauti- fying the project. That is Number one. Number two, Mr. Manager, you were not here in the beginning of this process, but Mr. Gilchrist and others that were will remember that there was a provision somewhere in the original contract, first with Pritzker, and secondly when we ended up with Diplomat World, that there was at the end of the rainbow, once the debt was paid, and once the City got paid its taxes and all that, that there was a 5% provision out of the gross that would be accumulated for the process, that instead of going to the General Fund in this par- ticular case, we would go to funds specifically earmarked for cultural and community type events, and the definition of culture is not a symphony, but it could be a Kawanza Festival, it could be Calle Ocho, it could be the Orange Blossom Classic Parade - that is culture. So, somewhere in there, I think there needs, and I am not saying that it ought to be high in the priority item, but if we proceed, a think this is going to be a highly successful financial project and all that I am saying here is that we should not forget where we started, which was the earmarking of certain percentage of the money for the purposes of family oriented cultural type of events, and it was, as•I recall, 5% of the gross off of the top, but... Mr. Gilchrist: 5% of the gross off the top. Mayor Ferre: ....by off the top, you mean after debt service. ld 06 JAN 5 t9@4 Mr. Gilchrist: It was part of operatine expenses. Mayor Ferre: And after operating expenses and all that. - oh I see, part of it - that is even better. In other words, it would go straight to a special fund that the City would be dealing with for these events. The ideal would be that we would be funding some of these cultural things that now exceed $1,000,000 in our budget, out of the profits that would be made, therefore, the ad valorem taxpaper would not be paying for these things. That was the theory behind it. That was second addendum that I had. The third, I think you covered it, but I want to make sure that it is clearly understood on the record, that the developers, when they bid for this, will have the flexibility of moving both the Heliport; the Japanese Gardens, which is nothing but an open green space now, anyway, and the Chalk around the island. In other words, they many want the Japanese Gardens on the southern part of the island and Chalk move from the key point, where they are at, which in my opinion, is the 100% location on that island, maybe off to the side a little bit, where they are a little bit out of the way. So, I think that there has to be a clear indication of flexibility of moving these elements around, provided they be kept, now are there are some which obviously you cannot do that with, for example, you cannot do that with that Coral House that we are moving. You can't. Okay, and it hasn't been placed yet. I stand corrected. But, for example the Yacht Club. What we are saying is, we are keeping the Yacht Clubs, but we are not..... I think we ought to keep the Yacht Clubs and the marine facility, but they could be shifted around. In other words, the Outboard Place could be moved to another site and the Sailing place can be to another site, so I think we ought to let the marketplace determine proposals as to who goes where, rather than us predetermining any of this. Mr. Gary: You are right, Mr. Mayor, however, this RFP does not make provisions for necessarily retaining the Yacht Club as we have done for Chalk and the Heliport and the Japanese Garden. Mayor Ferre: That is something that we will have to discuss, I am sure in the future. The next thing that I had is taxes. (INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENT) Mayor Ferre: Is it, are you sure? Mr. Plummer: Yes, it is all in there. Mr. Gary: Okay. Mayor Ferre: Now, there is no question that, like Bayside, these people will be paying taxes on the improvements. They won't be paying taxes on the land, because that is ours. Mr. Plummer: No, no. Excuse me - ad valorem taxes are in this proposal, Page 19. (INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENT) Mr. Plummer: Yes, sir. They will be paying ad valorem. Mayor Ferre: They will be paying taxes as if they owned the land on the value of the property in the project, is that it? Mr. Gary: Mr. Mayor, when I wrote in there they wouldn't, the State Law says that if you are utiliziang public land for private purposes, you have to pay ad valorem taxes, for that portion that is used for private purposes. Mr. Plummer: Page 19, Mr. Mayor, one, two, three, the fourth paragraph down... Mayor Ferre: Well, as long as it is in there, that is fine. Mr. Plummer: Well, I think Mr. Mayor what you have to keep in the back of your mind, the State of Florida has been thinking about taxing, such as ld 07 JAN 51984 football stadiums and baseball stadiums around the State of Florida that is still in the hopper, and here we, a number of cities in the State of Florida have contracts that do not call for ad valorem taxes, and we could be in a big serious problem. Mayor Ferre: Oh, my point is that I think it has to be very clearly spelled out that they are expected to pay taxes. The next point that I have here is, Mr. Manager, I agree with Alvah Chapman and others in the Chamber that have for a long time maintained that we ought to divide the RFP's in such a way that if we are not satisfied with the amusement theme park provisions of it, but are satisfied with the marina aspects of it, that we will be able to separate it and you have to have a mechan- ism which is legal, fair and properly defined, so that if at the will of this Commission, we decide not to go ahead with the theme park, but there is a proposal for a marina development and marina improvements, that we will be free to choose out of the proposals that portion that we are satisfied with and proceed with it rather than to throw the whole thing out at the same time. Now, with regards to the design criteria, I think somehow we need to put in there a statement that it is our expectations for this to be water oriented. Let me explain why I think this is important, and I don't want to be critical of J. B. Federated. J. B. Federated came to us with a glass house - Victorian Glass House, moderni- zed for the climate, so they said, but in effect, what it really was, was a shopping center. It could have just as easily been in Springfield, Massachusetts, Maryland, or Tucson, Arizona - that was all in one con- tained unit, and in effect, they really did not take into account the advantage of the location being on the waterfront. I think somehow, we need to be very clear to those potential developers that if they come up with a glass house on Watson Island, that that simply does not meet that criterion provision. Now, Mr. Manager, one of the ways we had originally conceived of doing that from the outside point of view, was from the Interstate Highway down to the water edge, gradually slopping that land and putting that as a requirement so that - we may not be talking about more than five or six or seven feet elevation of the Interstate level, but so that when people are walking around the property, as they look towards the water, they will also have a view of the water, and somehow we need to make that a little bit clearer that this must be a water oriented, rather than an inwardly oriented or otherwise type of project, and I don't think that is clear enough in this statement. Mr. Plummer: Aren't you under the South Florida Flood Criteria? Mr. Gary: Yes. Mr. Plummer: Which is 12 feet. Mayor Ferre: I think, John, what I am trying to say is, that it ought to be abundantly clear that we cannot end up another Victorian Glass House proposal, that it must be water oriented, and that anything and everything they do should be oriented towards the water. I have got three more things. As I understand it, Mr. Manager, these specs that you have submitted to us are in compliance with the D.R.I., as it has been tentatively approved by the Cabinet, with the exception of the economic feasibility portion. So, that is clear here, isn't it? Now, as you know, we have to go before the Cabinet in April and as I looked at your schedule here, we don't finish with this until May, and we really don't conclude it until June or July. I think should this Commission approve - should three members or more of this Commission agree to proceed, we really need, I think...I don't think it is fair to the proposers that we wait until April to get that clarified. I think then, so that they feel a little more comfort, go to the Cabinet and explain to them what we are doing, where we are at, and I think we ought to ask them to extend the dates that they have to comply with the dates that we have, so that they coincide. I frankly do not perceive any major problem in that, provided that we are in earnest and do this serious- ly, but I think we have got to state that somewhere in here, because other- wise, the question will come up, "Well, if I am going to be bidding on this and I am going to spend $300,000 putting up a proposal, and you tellinq me you want me to do this, and then come April 2nd, the Cabinet says no more time and we have spent $250,000 at that point, and we won't see the end of it". That needs to be clarified. Then, I've got three more things. ld 08 JA N 5 1984 Mayor Ferre: (con't) Future growth - As you know, this community is struggling with the idea as to where to put up its future cultural facilities. As you know, the Committee voted again, in the last couple of weeks and the vote was within one vote - in other words, it was 6 to 5, as I recall reading it in the paper, where they voted the Number one site to be in the Government Center. The Number two site to be at Bayside, next to Bayside, in the FEC property, and Number three was Watson Island. Now, as I recall the grading of those numbers, Watson Island and Bayside was very, very close. This was two years ago, when John McMullen first came up with the idea. It is my personal opinion, that the government location - government site is much too small for what they want to do, and they just do not have the land, so I think they are going to be forced to either go to Bayside, or to Watson Is- land. Now, this Commission has gone on record against having anything built on the Bayfront Park other than what we are doing at Bayside. A future Commission may change that position, but as of now, that is where we are at, but there are many who think that Watson Island is the best, because eventually there will be a people mover going to South Beach and up to the beach convention center to tie it into Miami, and therefore if and when that occurs and Watson Island becomes very, very important as a location, I personally think that this community that has no major football stadium, that has no baseball stadium, major baseball stadium, that has no coliseum, is going to put its money in those types of pro- fitable, or potentially profitable facilities before we build a major opera house, other than what T.O.P.A. is going to do, which is itself is a $50,000,000 project, as I recall. But, I think that if T.O.P.A. goes, and from the looks of it, with voter approval it is going to yu, I just think we are not going to see a $50,000,000 or $100,000,000 expenditure for theatres and opera houses and what have you in the next five years. Therefore, I would hope that we would leave sufficient room on Watson Island so that if indeed we end up with a first class park there with ten or fifteen restaurants and a place where people are anxious to go, where we have the parking and the commuication structure built into it, and should there be a desire by this community five or ten years from now to build theatres and cultural centers there, that we somehow left enough room for that, and I think that needs to be more clearly specified in there. Two more things - minorities - I am concerned that...I understand the reluctance on the community's part and the disgust on all of us as part of this rent a citizen stuff. On the hand, as Father Gibson used to say, "Tokenism isn't very good" and I don't like it any more than anybody else does, but I would rather have one than none, and if we get one, than maybe we can get two and maybe we can get three. Now, that doesn't always work. It hasn't work in the Orange Bowl Committee, where we have had one Black now for seven or eight years and we are still waiting for the second, but we now have three Cubans, which before there was only Leslie Pantin. Now, we have two more, so hopefully, we can build on that. So therefore, what I am saying is that I am not too sure that I am in agreement with the total elimination of having minority requirement. I know that the evils of rent a citizens are severe, but on the other hand, in Bayside, it was criticized, but as it ended up, I think it ended up hurting J. B. Federated, and the way they approached it, rather than helping them, so I don't think we should necessarily fear that, and I just think that somehow we need to reconsider that portion, and lastly, the question of the $15,000 vs. the $50,000, as the down payment to get into the game. How did we do it in Bayside? Mr. Gilchrist: $30,000, and refundable to everyone except the success- ful bidder. Mayor Ferre: What in effect you are saying is, $15,000, non-refundable. Wouldn't we be better off going to the same as Bayside, and not making this an issue - do it the same way we did it before? That didn't work badly, did it? From a practical point of view, Howard, I doubt very much if you are going to have more than three or four bidders, if that. Mr. Gary: I can live with Bayside. I guess I am always concerned that we may be accused of -excluding people to economic means. Mayor Ferre: Howard, anybody who bids this is going to have to spend a couple hundred thousand dollars. There is no way you are going to bid this with a $10,000. In other words, I don't frankly... 09 JAN 51984 Mr. Gary: You know, that is a kind of a contradiction in which you just said about equity too. You know, there are minorities out there that cannot afford probably what a Marriott, or J.M.B., or Rouse can, and even though they may not market and conclude that they would not be selected because they aren't of that caliber, it is the same as our Civil Sdrvice rules and regulations - you have got to give them that opportunith, whether they are selected or not. I would have no problems, Mr. Mayor, agreeing to the $30,000 the same as Bayside, but with one modification - that is that the successful proposer would have to pay any additional expenses as occur. I have no problem with that. Mayor Ferre: Okay, fine. I am flexible on that - whatever the rest of the Commission wnats to do. Major landscaping, funds for culture, air terminals, taxes, separate marina, okey, that completes my list. We will do this be seniority. J. L.? As the oldest member of this Com- mission, we will take you up next. Mr. Plummer: I am going to make it easy for you. Mr. Gary, here are my areas of concern. Are you ready? Number one, this draft does not contain a development site map. I want to know what areas are being proposed? Where are the 68 acres located, that are the basis for development? Mayor Ferre: Everything but the roads. Mr. Plummer: No, I don't understand that. I am concerned about transfer rights. I find nothing in the proposal that addresses transfer rights, or subleasing. I find nothing in the proposal, if this God forbid, should go broke. What are the City's buyouts, how do we work with that situation? I find nothing in the proposal to prohibit, which I would require, and make mandatory, that nothing of this project could be used for pledging for other projects that the developer might be involved in. I find nothing in this draft about minimum annual payments. The one area that I also have a problem with, there is nothing mandatory, for example, as is set forth now - the Committee which is chosen, recommending to you to recommend to us, is to recommend the best proposal. I feel that it is mandatory that if none of the proposals are good, that should be also a recommendation of that committee. There is nothing here now. The way '.:hat it is set up, says that you take all the proposals and recommend cl:e best ones. It doesn't say that if all ... if they don't feel that if any of them, I think that should be a responsiblity of the committee. I understand fully where it says that the City reserves the right to reject all bids, but I think the committee has an obligation, if none of the proposals are good, to make that recommndation. Just remember that the press played up greatly the recommendation of the committee as it related to Bayside. I have problem, Mr. Gary, with the terminology on Page 1, where the City has the right to waive any irregularities. I think that this is some- what I am open for discussion. but I think this somewhat eliminates the competitiveness of a proposal. What it basically says, we can waive those irregularities after the Commission has made a choice. I think that is something that needs to be addressed. On Page... Mayor Ferre: Could you clarify that a bit more? Mr. Plummer: Yes, well, okay, in other words, when you make a bid, if you make an irregularity in the bid, as we... Mayor Ferre: For example, it says 50 feet and you go to 100. That's one, okay? I think a proposal should be put forth, if it is a definite proposal. What I am saying is, I don't think that there should be in a proposal the availability of negotiating a bid. A proposal is a bid. Now, I have no problem with the City negotiating in the final analysis. But, I think the bids, if we,are going to have - let's go back to Bay - side one second. In Bayside, we have the contention of one of the proposers, that the other side did not comply with the bids. As I recall, the terminology - one was gross, and one was net. That is an irregularity. Mayor Ferre: Okay, I got you. 10 ld JAN 51984 6 6. Mr. Plummer: Okay? No, either you comply with the proposal as put forth, or you don't bid. The City doesn't accept your bid. You either comply with the proposal, or your bid will not be accepted. Now, I don't want that in there that says from Day One that the City has the right to negotiate. I don't think that is right. I want further clarification, because as I read the terminology, I think I have a problem on Page 2, about half way down, in which it states "The City proposes that the Watson Island proposals may include up to 90,000 square feet of dining and retail f3rilities as a complement to Bayside." Now, to me at best, "as a complement to" is misleading. Mayor Ferre: I think you ought to strike that one. Bayside has nothing to do with this... Mr. Plummer: Well, I have nothing to say "similar to", but not as a complement to. In other words, it is giving the impression in my understanding of the English, that this will be an accessory to Bay - side. It is not. This is an independent project on its own. Mayor Ferre: I think you are totally correct. I don't think there should be any reference to Bayside, any more than there should be any reference to Coconut Grove or any other place. Mr. Gary: We put some mention of Bayside for the mere fact that we have 200,000 square feet. We want developers to know that there will be similar types of activity over at Bayside, and you need to take that into consideration when you do your development. That is the only reason that we put it in there. It is all like a disclosure, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Dawkins: Since we are not going to let J. L. finish, let me come in, then. Mr. Plummer: Go ahead. Mr. Dawkins: I have a problem with the whole thing. You say here in one proposal, 90,000 square feet of retail and restaurant services. Then, in the next proposal, you come up with 220,000 square feet of specialty center and food service. We already have Bayside on the other side of the park with specialty food services, so what are we doing, duplicating everything on the other side of the park? If you are going to put fast food services and speciality shops in the Watson Island, then you are going to be competition with Bayside. Mr. Gary: If you will recall, if I may, Commissioner Dawkins, since you were fortunate enough to go with us to Baltimore, and... Mr. Dawkins: We didn't have no Watson Island in Baltimore! Mr. Gary: And, if I may, in Boston. One of the things that they told us in Boston, the people at Rouse as well as the government people, was that as a result of the competition of Faneuil Hall, which was pro- viding some of the same eating kinds of establishments that existed in close proximity within the City, that that was healthy competition and it generated more activity than reduced that activity, and I don't see two projects that happen to be on public land, being any different than that kind of concept or theory. Mr. Dawkins: Well, I am glad you don't; I do. I've a great amount of competition and I see you having empty shops on one or both sides of your project. I mean, that is what I envision, okay? Mr. Gary: Well, let me tell you how... Mr. Dawkins: Secondly, I am not sure you explained it - explain to me why you went from 90,000 square feet to 200,000 square feet and of the total acreage, 68 acres, how much of it is going to be left as open land on Watson Island, and how, or are you going to develop the whole 68 acres? See, when we started out, we weren't going to develop the whole island. Mr. Gary: Okay. Mr. Dawkins: When you stood up here and got me to okay it and go along with this, you were going to come back and bring me something that said you were going to develop 35 acres of Watson Island, Now, today you come 5 1984 Id 1� JAN a back and give me something that says you have doubled your demand for land, which is wrong. Mr. Gary: Okay, if I may. First of all, you are looking on Page 2 and I want to respond to your first question between the 90,000 and the 200,000. That sentence says "additionally, the development may include rides and attractions" and while Bayside, if planned for some 220,000 square feet - that is Bayside, of specialty centers and food centers. The City proposes that Watson Island be 90,000, so we are not changing Watson Island to 220,000. That 220,000 relates strictly to Bayside. Mr. Dawkins: All right, then I will go the other way then. When you first started out, you started out with 35 acres. Now, you are going to develop 67 acres. Now, explain the difference - what is the difference in that. Mr. Gary: Okay, the difference in that is that the development portion, excluding public infrastructure, was to be the 35 acres. Mr. Dawkins: Was to be - but now we are going say you can develop it all if you desire! Mr. Gary: Let me finish. The other 30 some acres, Commissioner, was to be developed by the City, utilizing its money to put up garages, Number one, and marinas, and marina associated facilities, utilizing our money. And what I am saying now, is that...no, we would not spend our money to do that - the developers will, so it was always the intent of us using the whole island. The difference is that one side we were going to develop and the other side we were going to allow the developers to develop. Now, in terms of open space... Mr. Dawkins: Go ahead, Mr. Gary. Mr. Gary: No developer, who is concerned about having a viable project, is going to jam up that land, and even if somebody proposed that, Com- missioner Dawkins, I don't think the committee, myself, or the City Commission is going to accept it. We have got to let the marketplace determine, first of all, what should be done, and that market is going to tell you that you have got to have a facility that is going to be able to allow open space, people to move back and forth - easy ingress and egress, and with regard to what the committee is going to do, and what the accounting firm is going to do, this proposal also requires a market analysis to insure that the figures and the projections of sales take into consideration Bayside and everything else that is hap- pening downtown that is going to be a viable project. Mr. Dawkins: Okay, two things, Mr. Gary. Mr. Plummer: Let me just say to my colleague once again, Mr. Dawkins - this is the ideas of the Manager. That isn't where the buck stops. If three votes on this Commission mandate that it shall not exceed 40 acres, I think Mr. Gary is smart and enjoyed his Christmas bonus, that he would like to continue. Mr. Gary: If it is bigger! Mr. Plummer: Or smaller! Or, none at all! Mayor Ferre: Mr. Manager, I think we are just talking semantics here. I don't seel any problem at all. Mr. Dawkins: No, I am not talking semantics, Mr. Mayor! I am not. Now, you may. I am not talking... Mayor Ferre: I am not talking for you. Mr. Dawkins: Okay, but you said "we" though. You said "we". You said "we" now, Mr. Mayor. Mayor Ferre: I stand corrected, Commissioner Dawkins. ld 12 S84 .JAN 5 rL a Mr. Dawkins: Thank you. Mayor Ferre: I stand corrected. I think we are talking semantics here because I think that we "we", all believe that it should be 35 acres, except for Commissioner Dawkins, it doesn't believe that there should be any acres. Now, the rest of this, who may believe that this project should proceed, assuming that that is the case, I think we all recognize it, that "we" assuming that we vote in a majority for this project do not want for it to exceed 35 acres in the park develop- ment aspects as it was designed in the beginning, even though, by the way, in the beginning, John, wasn't it 40 acres? So, we in effect, have cut down - we the City, you the Manager have cut down 5 acres from that 40 to 35, but I think the reason why I think it is a seman- tical game, is what we are talking about here, is where the 35 acres fits within the 86, is what you are opening for flexibility. Is that correct? What you are saying is, we are letting you look at the whole island, and come back with a proposal as to how to develop it, but we are not going to have 60 acres of amusement park. Mr. Gary: No, we are not saying that. Mayor Ferre: Okay, that is my point. Mr. Gary: We are saying there are 68 acres for which you have a right to plan to put these facilities. You don't have to use it all. You can use a portion of it. That is basically what he is saying. Mayor Ferre: But, Commissioner Plummer is saying, as I,understand it, that the developed portion of the private sector would be limited to 35 acres, and where that 35 acres goes, excluding the public por- tion, which means... Mr. Gary: Mr. Mayor... Mayor Ferre: Now, I am I mistaken, because I need to understand this. Mr. Gary: John is telling me that the 40 acres was limited mainly for the attraction. Mayor Ferre: That is what I am saying. Mr. Gary: You know, we have been talking about cultural center as a... Mayor Ferre: We are not talking about this. Mr. Gary: Yes, we are. We have on Page 2... Mayor Ferre: Okay, now I understand. Mr. Gary: "It is desirable that development include provisions for outdoor -indoor performing arts facilities, audio visual theatres, stages, amplitheatres, arenas, galleries, etc." If you limit yourself to 40, Mr. Mayor, and you tell them that this is desirable, you have one or two things - you are going to have somebody that has given you only (about only), if you assume you need 20 or 25 acres for a cultural center, you are leaving them only 15 acres, if you go 40, for everything else, and we all know cultural centers don't make money, and you are not going to have 15 acres that is not only going to support paying $35,000,000 worth of infrastructure, and paying off their debts to build both of those things. Nobody is going to bid. Mr. Plummer: May I continue? Mayor Ferre: Please. Mr. Plummer: I'd like to get finished. On Page Number 4, services such as police and fire protection shall be provided equal to those as provided in the other private development. I think that you need to say municipal services. One of the big problems there, in my esti- mation would be that of sanitation, and I think that we have to address all municipal services, not just police and fire. I think it is manda- tory, since we are asking for companies who have been in this business,. ld 13 JAN 51984 6 Hopefully, that is what we will get. I want incorporated in the RFP, that they submit to us a history of their last two or three projects, so that we can use that as analysis of how they have done, and also we can have a save the nation clause in that particular RFP. If they are operating in Timbuktu, we want to make sure that the City gets as good a deal as Timbuktu is getting, so I want to save the nation clause in that RFP. Mr. Gary, basically, that is most of - I think that you might be smart, on Page 19, as it relates to advertising and promotion, I very vividly recall, at the Mayor's insistence, and I backed him, there was a definite number put into that proposal as to the amount of money which would be used for initial promotion as it related to the Convention Center. I think that this should be clearly delineated as to how much money will be spent by the developer for advertising, and promotion. Mr. Gary: If I may on that subject, I would prefer to leave it broad like this, because you don't want to say at least 100,000. That oc- curs, Commissioner, during the negotiation of the contract. - Mr. Plummer: I would feel comfortable with a minimum, of - okay? And the last and only change that I have is that which I proposed, that the renaming of the island be renamed Atlantis. By the way, Mr. Gary, I wish... Mayor Ferre: Only problem with that, J. L., is that Atlantis sunk. Mr. Plummer: Exactly! You catch on quick! (LAUGHTER) Mayor Ferre: I think if you are going to name it Atlantis, I would make that motion right now and kill the project right now. There is no use making the Manager go through all this work if your intention is this. Mr. Plummer: I think I am only joking. Mayor Ferre: Now the other... Mr. Carollo: They still haven't found it, either. Mayor Ferre: They still haven't found it. The other...that is not a bad idea about changing the name, you know, and I ... since we are coming up to the 500th anniversary of the discovery of America by Columbus, maybe that might be something that we might want to consider - is a re- naming. Bayside is a renaming of a portion of Bayfront Park, and I don't think that we necessarily... Mr. Plummer: That is the Park of the Americas. Mayor Ferre: Bayfront Park of the Americas. Bayside is a new name, so that is not a bad idea. Watson, I think it is time for us to move along and get another name. Mr. Plummer:- The only thing I wanted to call to your attention, Mr. Gary, is I wish that you would have the appropriate party go to the Convention Center and take special note of the two signs which are existing there in relation to the Knight Center World Trade Building - nothing about the City of Miami. There are two signs that have been recently erected there, and the City's name really is not there. Mayor Ferre: Finished? Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, at this particular time, that is all that I have. Mayor Ferre: Okay, Commissioner Carollo. Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, I have quite a few questions, some that were asked by Commissioner•Plummer', and•some which, when I came in, were being asked by you. I don't know what the schedule is for the rest of my colleagues here, but I, unfortunately, have to be out of here by noon. What I would like to do for the sake of time today, is to have the opportunity and again, I am asking for it, as I did at the previous Id 14 JAN 51984 4 4 time that we met on this - to meet with the Manager and Staff, and to go over my concerns with them personally. Then, when we come back to discuss this again, hopefully we can come to some firm conclusion. I think if I start going through all the questions that I have, we are not going to leave here until 3:00 o'clock this afternoon, at least. So, I would rather pass the time to some of my other colleagues, that might have some lesser questions and more to the point than what I have right now. Mr. Dawkins: Frankly, Mr. Mayor, I agree with what Commissioner Car- rollo said. We will be here, so I will just make three statements which the Manager can look for me to take up with him later. Number one is, I agree with you that we should not be renting citizens be- cause all you do is rent them and they come up with no equity, and I agree in total with you on that price. That is part of it. The second thing is, I would hope that as you talk of developing the parking and etcetera, that, if you are not talking in terms of provid- ing a plum for the developer, I also would hope that you take into considerations when we provide, as J. L. said, the garbage pickup, that if it is contracted out to a private concern, that they also pick up the trash, because we are losing money now when the private concerns go out and collect the garbage and the City of Miami has to go out and pick up the trash. My third thing is to the City Attorney. The Mayor said that when the Selection Committee bring$ back its recom- mendation, that we should not throw out the entire (I think now, I do not want to lie, I am trying to paraphrase what he said) that we should not throw out the entire proposal, but we should take the part that we like in order to save it. Now, according to the... Mayor Ferre: No, no, that is not what I said and that is not what I meant if that is what I said. Mr. Dawkins: Okay, I want to know from the City Attorney, didn't the referendum that passed said that we had one, we could do one of two things - the recommendation from the Committee must be accepted or must be returned to them. If that is correct, then we can't do - what was the other thing that was proposed? Is that right or wrong? Mr. Garcia -Pedrosa: Commissioner Dawkins, the Charter Amendment does spell out what you can do. I made note of the Mayor's comments and chatted briefly with Mr. Gary. and I need to come back to you to tell you if that is feasible. It certainly is not what I thought would be discussed here, and I want to have the opportunity to explore that a little bit. Mr. Plummer: Well, wait a minute, excuse me - it was my understanding, and please, the Mayor has got to speak for himself, but my understand- ing, which I agreed with him on, is that this could go out in two parts. It could go out one part as a proposed park - "B" portion could be that of a marina - "C" portion that of a cultural center, and it would be where we could choose. Mr. Dawkins: Then there is no argument, because then all that is going to come back is a recommendation for a cultural art center, a recommen- dation for a "C". So there is really no discussion. Mayor Ferre: Well, I don't know whether there is discussion, or not, but Commissioner Plummer has interpreted what I said, exactly as I said it. Mr. Dawkins: Okay, well, all I am saying is true, there is no need for us to talk in terms of break up of proposals, because you know, you sent it out as "We want the development of this, we want the development of that". We are,not sending it out as Watson Island Development, you come in and say you are going to do "A", "B", "C", and "D". Mayor Ferre: Commissioner Dawkins, and Mr. Manager, sometimes we will put out a bid for a street repavement, and the bid goes like this - ld 1 JAN 51984 � 6 the bid will be broken up into three portions. Portion "A" is the street. Portion "B" is the sidewalk, along with amenities and Portion "C", is the landscaping, okay? You can bid on either one or all of "A", "B", and "C", and all I am saying here is that when the document goes out, that it say something like this: Watson Island is a proposed develop- ment and it is broken down, basically into two portions. One is the amusement park portion as approved by the Cabinet, the D.R.I., approval, and the other is the marine oriented marina portion of it, as also approved in that same proposal, so that there be an "A" and a "B" section. The bidders can bid either "A" and or "B". Mr. Dawkins: Okay, Mr. City Attorney, bring me a ruling back when you come back. If the Watson Island Project, as a unified development, whatever we voted on, is the same as putting out bids for roads, and all, and do the road and those come under unified development, whatever it is that we are working under? Will you bring that back when you come back? Mr. Garcia -Pedrosa: Yes, sir. Mr. Dawkins: Thank you. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Gary, I would hope, I don't know why - maybe I am just being picky, but I hope we would drop the word amusement park and strictly stick with a theme park. An amusement park to me is a carnival. A theme park does not have to be a carnival. It can be something that could be very, very, nice. I would hope we would drop the word amusement and go to theme. Mr. Gary: We did - it is not anywhere in the document - anything that says amusement. Mayor Ferre: I would rather that we call it a recreation cultural center, but what we call it is again a semantical thing. Okay, Com- missioner Dawkins is finished. Commissioner Perez? Commissioner Perez: First thing, Mr. Mayor, I want to point out that there is no mention about the Bayside Project's economic aspects. I think that if we can find some kind of competition between the Watson Island and Bayside, and I would like to have complete information about all the details on the economic aspects between Watson and Bayside. I think that it can affect the revenues of the City, and I would like to have all the figures in that direction. Do you have anything? Mr. Gary: That is going to be difficult for me to do for the mere fact that I don't have anything to compare anything with. Mr. Plummer: No, I don't agree with that, Mr. Gary. I think one of the proposals before the Cabinet and one of their criteria is an economic and financial study. Mr. Gary: But, how can I do that with... Mayor Ferre: It is a chicken - egg situation, that is the only thing left to be determined. The Cabinet is saying City of Miami show us the the economic feasibility of that. Now, we (I), representing you, when I have gone up there with Gilchrist and our attorney, have said to the Cabinet, how can we show you an economic feasibility when we don't have a bid yet? So, in effect, what they said is - All right, take another year, go out and get your bids and then come back,- so in effect, Com- missioner Perez, you cannot compare apples for oranges until you have the oranges. We don't know who is going to bid what - how can there be a comparison when we don't know... suppose, for example, Disney decides to come into this, or that a big developer would come in and try to —we just don't know! So, I think what you are asking the Manager to do, is something that he probably could do in very general terms, but I don't know how he could comply... Mr. Perez: Yes, but the first thing that I want to ask on this direc- tion is to try to avoid any kind of competition. I think that if we try to duplicate some service of some islands that we have in Bayside, both projects are very close, and I would like...I think that competition 16 ld JAN 51984 6 tk of both projects would be very bad would like to know how the Manager projects can be alive in the City. for the revenue of the City and I perceives the waiver that both Mr. Plummer: Let me add to that. I think what Commissioner Perez is saying, Mr. Manager, is that should be fully understood by the proposers of Watson Island, that Bayside is a reality, and that Bayside is going to be built, and you proceed on your proposal with Watson Island, know- ing with full knowledge that that has already been put into the works, so the proposer on Watson Island doesn't come back and say later - "Well, if you didn't have Bayside, I could have made it". Mr. Gary: It is in the proposal. Mr. Perez: Second, about the five members, I think that the five mem- bers of the review committee is supposed to have clear minority repre- sentation. I received the Miami News yesterday your information about rent a citizen. That is important. I think that we have to choose a real person who are identified with the community, not only to have a Hispanic name, or to have Black name. I think that we need to have those people very identifiable, and very qualified, for them to under- stand the needs of the whole community. Also, now this change of 68 acres. In the first proposal you didn't specify anything about the the parking facilities, and that is part of the first purchase, but I think it more clear now, this time. I think that is part of the difference between Trade Fair and the old 33 acres. Okay, about the Japanese Gardens, I feel that it is important that we place some kind of condition, and I would like to know what would be the future of the Japanese Gardens, if this project is approved. Mr. Gary: We are saying that the Japanese Gardens will remain - that it will be the responsibility of the successful developer where it should be located in the park, and they also have the responsibility for maintaining it and upgrading it. Mr. Perez: Okay, about the time table - I think that the time table is too tight. We are going to have the three proposal conference the 23rd of this month, how will it be possible to have the deadline for April 2nd? Mr. Gary: Well, if you recall, our discussion at the last City Commis- sion meeting, we recognized that it was going to be a tight schedule, but we also recognized that it was important for us to get this process going so that we could demonstrate to the State that we are moving for- ward in this process. It is going to be tight and we think we can make it. And the bottom line is, that whether we can still meet this deadline is depending upon us rewriting the proposals, sitting down with Commissioner Carollo, making the changes, coming back to you and you identifying a date very soon for us to meet to discuss this again.. Mr. Perez: Do you think that will be enough time to prepare a proposal of this magnitude in just 60 days? Mr. Gary: Oh, sure. Mr. Perez: Okay, I think that it is important also, to promote some kind of national and international advertising campaign in order to try to attract ... I know a lot of European developers that would be interested in this project, if they have better information and a bet- ter approach. I think that it would be important in order to attract more participants. Also, I would like to ask of the City Attorney if it is possible to have any kind of clause in order to protect the local contracters in the bidding process. Is there something we can do in this direction? Mr. Garcia -Pedrosa: Well, there is a proposal already, Commissioner Perez, as part of the criteria for minority participation, a provision at Page 20 that requires contracters to comply with the applicable minority ordinances in the City of Miami, and further expects them as part of the criteria for selection to have minorities be an integral part of the development team, participate substantially in construction contracts and jobs and comprise a significant part of the permanent Id 17 AN 51984 4 4 management team, as well as all businesses and work force created by the development, so I would think that if those provisions and particular- ly the requirements of the Code be observed, which is of course a require- ment of law, are observed, that that would effectively satisfy your con- cerns. Mr. Perez; Yes, but I am not just talking about minorities in this case. I am talking about a local contracter. You think that is possible to establish any kind of priority for the contracter from the City of Miami to have the competition on an equal basis with contractors south of town and people out of the state that can... Mr. Garcia -Pedrosa: Yes, sir, that could be added to the criteria. Mr. Plummer: I think... let me tell you something. The problem that I have had on the minority is - I think we are lacking in one area, and that is on minority participation, there is not spelled out clearly local minorities. We had firms who have come in here, who say "Yes, we've got Blacks". They are all from Atlanta! They are all from New York! They are all from Detroit! "Yes, we've got Latins." None of them local! I think when you talk about ... I don't agree, as Mr. Gary, you have said from the onset, with the so called rent a citizen, and that is interpreted by me to mean that you get local rent a citizens to get the bid, and then when the bid is over, the rent is over, and you are evicted. I think we need the local involvement, local minorities, as well, and I think that is something we need to consider, that the local aspect is as important as local minorities. I think that is very important. I don't want minorities that come from California because they are Hispanic...or Texas, or Blacks that are from Canada, or any- thing, because they can say "Okay, we've got 40% Blacks", but not a one of them are local Blacks. The charity starts at home. Mr. Gary: Well, just for clarification purposes, my rent a citizen concern is, people who cannot bring anything to the project, other than political influence, and no risks. In fact, if I may, if I can, Commissioner... is that I have no problem with a local Black or Latin attorney, or female attorney, who will be the legal arm for that agency, who will actually have on hand experience and contribute risk for equity to be a part. A person who does not bring any of those things, but is just there, because they have some influence peddling expertise, that is my concern about rent a citizen. In terms of local residents, our experience, particularly with regard to the Cable T.V., and importantly to the Rouse Company, they have been local people. They are local minorities. Mr. Dawkins: But, Mr. Gary, what we are saying to you is, that if he is not a local minority, when the project is over, he takes his pro- fits out of the Miami area. If we get some local minorities, then that individual takes his profit and recycles it into this neighbor- hood and this community, and we help this community. Now, as you know, on the affordable housing, the biggest Black contracter was Mr. Thacker, who is not local, and I don't know how many local subcon- tracters he will have. On the other one, it was Serka or whatever it was, and it is not local, so all I am saying to you, I don't know what Mr. Plummer is saying here, that I would like to see written in there, that your proposals will be evaluated on the strength of your local minority participants. Mr. Gary: I think that is good. I don't understand what Commissioner Plummer is talking about either, but I understand what you are telling me. I would say though,. I think we also need to be careful when we do that also. As an example, you may find yourself excluding Blacks in general, because they aren't local, even though you don't have a local expertise. As an example, there may not be in Miami, a local Black steel erector. •If he doesn't exist, then we are saying we shouldn't use anybody from outside, Mr. Dawkins: I disagree! Let me tell the rest of it. What we are saying to you and that steel erector is, if he is totally himself, then he has got nothing. But, if he comes in joint venture, with a local firm, then the local firm has the expertise... ld is AAN 51984 6 6 Mayor Ferre: I think you understand, and there is a middle ground in all of this, Mr. Manager, and obviously, this cannot be chiseled in stone, but it can be pretty firmly stated out as a policy, you know, that obviously, if someone comes in and joint ventures with the local steel erecting company, and has local minority participation, that that is, in your point system, something to strengthens it. Mr. Dawkins: And when the other people sue you and what have you, that is what we are paying you $100,000 for, to go out there and fight. Mr. Plummer: $107,000. Mr. Dawkins: $107,000? Okay. Mr. Plummer: He took the bonus. Mayor Ferre: I would also recommend - Attorney Smith is calling my attention that he has some comments to make on the minority aspects. I told him that the way I perceived this, I think that we are not anywhere near concluding anything today, and so we are going to have a continuance of this public hearing, and in the interest of the people that are here on revenue sharing that have been put off now for four months straight, that I think that we owe it to these people in revenue sharing that we get into that fairly soon. Mr. Gary: And I will be happy to talk to Mr. Smith in my office about his concerns. Mayor Ferre: And so, I would say - there are four speakers who are lined up besides Mr. Smith - Mr. Eric Messersmith, Mrs. Shubin, Sandra Monteiro, and Mr. Yamato, who wish to speak on Watson Island, since I think we are going to continue this public hearing, and Mr. Fannatto, and Rosario Kennedy - oh, I am sorry! That is for revenue sharing. Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, if I may suggest, I, as I stated previously, had to leave here at noon and my understanding is, and I agree what you are doing there, but my understanding is that the Manager would like to bring up the issue that I had suggested some time ago, the School Cross- ing guards, and we could do that now, I think that is of vital importance. Mayor Ferre: I will accept that, but I want to finish up with the Watson Island portion of it for now. Mr. Manager, I think you have the input from the Commission at this point. All right now, let's get all the ideas from the Commission. Is everybody in this Commission now, with the exception of Commissioner Carollo, who will be doing it in person with Mr. Gary, had sufficient time to put their ideas into the record. Mr. Plummer: Well, the only thing that I think that we need to re- iterate on Demetrio's idea, Mr. Gary, I want to tell you, sir, that I fully concur with my colleague, Demetrio, and I fully expect that you will make and comply, five days prior to the next meeting on this mat- ter, who the members of that committee are, because I think that is going to be very important as to whether this Commission approves or disapproves the.entire project. Mr. Gary: There should be a condition. Mr. Plummer: It is not a condition., but it is, and I want to tell you, you better understand fully that if Committee is not pleasing to this Commission, three votes will kill the entire project. I strongly suggest sir, that you get those names to us in advance, discuss it with us, be- cause I am expressing Demetrio's concern of who those people are, are very important. The Charter says sir, that you shall supply them to us five days in advance. Mr. Dawkins: And let the record reflect, Mr. Gary, that we are not dictating to you who you can put on the committee, because that is your right. Mr. Plummer: Not at all!!! Id 19 JAN 51984 0 6 Mayor Ferre: All right, are there any other statements now from the Commission? Mr. Manager, now that you have heard all of this, what is your recommendation? That we continue this for another hearing, and what day? Mr. Garcia -Pedrosa: I don't know what day. Mayor Ferre: You won't be ready by Tuesday, will you? I mean, by Thursday, the 12th? Or will you? Mr. Plummer: I would suggest, Mr. Mayor, we go to the 19th. Mr. Carollo: That would probably be the best date to take it then. Mayor Ferre: That's fine with me. Mr. Plummer: It gives him two weeks. Mayor Ferre: Anybody have any problems with the 19th? Mr. Carollo: Is there any way that we could change the meeting of the 12th to the week of the 16th, sometime? Mr. Plummer: I would appreciate it. I tried to move it before. I have got to be in Tallahassee on 12th & 13th. Mayor Ferre: That is why we changed it in the first place. Mr. Plummer: No, no. I tried to change it, but nobody could budge. While we have this lull, I think we all ought to stand in one minute of silent meditation and congratulate Demetrio on his getting married. I am the only eligible bachelor now on this Commission! Mayor Ferre: Well, I agree with the second portion of that statement. There is a lot of question about the first portion. (LAUGHTER) Okay, the 19th is fine with me. Mr. Plummer: Can we address the problem of Commissioner Carollo about the 12th? Mr. Carollo: And Commissioner Plummer is well. Mayor Ferre: I am willing to address that in a moment, but we are now settled on the 19th? Mr. Carollo: The 19th is fine. Mayor Ferre: The continuance - all right, for those of you that are here as speakers on Watson Island proposal, I think it is premature for anybody to get in the public portion of it until we have clearer definition of what is coming out, because at this point, I think the matter is still rather up in the air, so I would like to ask your indulgence, Mr. Rosichan, Mr. Ninykin, Kreitman, and the other people from Belle Isle and Hibiscus Island and so on, if you would indulge us and we will continue this heating on the 19th at 10:00 A.M. At that portion we will hear again from the Manager the new criteria as he has elaborated, and then I think it will be easier for you to comment as to where we stand. Plummer moves that the hearing on Watson Island be now rescheduled to 2:00 P.M. on the 18th of January in these chambers. Mr. Plummer: That's fine. Mayor Ferre: Carollo seconds that - is that correct? Is there further discussion? Now, this supersedes the previous motion then. All right, call the roll on this motion. ANN 51984 ow ld 0 0 The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption. MOTION NO. 84-1 A MOTION STIPULATING THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF WATSON ISLAND IS CONTINUED TO JANUARY 18, 1984, AT 2:00 P.M. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner Joe Carollo Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. vice -Mayor Demetrio Perez, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None ABSENT: None 2. ESTABLISH SPECIAL MEETING FOR JANUARY. Mayor Ferre: Now, with the authority that I have under the Charter, I am now calling a Special Meeting on this occasion for the purposes of discussing the January agenda of the Regular City of Miami Commission. Now, based on that, I now recognize Commissioner Plummer to make a motion on the meeting days for January. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I propose that the meeting date of January 12th be changed to Janaury 19th. Mayor Ferre: An that it be properly advertised. Mr. Plummer: Of course. All right, it has been moved and seconded. Is there further discussion on the changes? All right, if not, call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption. MOTION NO. 84-2 A MOTION RESCHEDULING THE REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF JANUARY 12, 1984, TO TAKE PLACE ON JAN- UARY 19, 1984, AT 9:00 A.M. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner Joe Carollo Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Vice -Mayor Demetrio Perez, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None ABSENT: None ld -21 .JAN 51984 0 3. DISCUSSION: SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS. AUTHORIZE ALLOCATION OF $60,000 F.R.S.F. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mayor Ferre: Now there is a question on the guards, Commissioner Carollo asked that we take up before we get into Revenue Sharing. Mr. Gary: Mr. Carollo, if you recall, this City Commission voted at the request of Ms. McAliley, a member of the School Board and a top assistant to Mr. Britton, that the City of Miami appropriate $60,000 for them to run a school crossing guard program. We went into negotiations in terms of the sites as well as the cost and also a budget so that we could turn the money over to them. At the last minute they decided to talk to the Herald instead of talking to us and they decided that they were not going to run the program and that the City should run the program. Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, Mr. Gary, didn't that $60,000 carry with it a proviso that it was only to be for a one year funding? Mr. Gary: Exactly, sir. Mr. Carollo: It did. It did carry that. Mr. Gary: As a result of the School Board's refusal, contrary to their promise to the City Commission that they would run the program, we were concerned and I got the concern from the City Commission at the time that you voted for that particular appropriation, that you were concerned about the children crossings. So, as a stop -gap measure, Commissioner Carollo, I authorized the P.S.A.s of the Police Department to cover the ten additional sites over and above the four that we already are covering to insure that there are proper coverage of school crossings. I also instructed staff to begin the process anticipating that the City Commission would support my recommendation that we do run the program. I asked them to move ahead to develop a job spec for school crossing guards and to seek applicants with the understanding that nobody would be hired or placed on the street under a new program within the City until this City Commission decided what it wanted to do in view of what has happened up to now. Mr. Carollo: Howard, let me make sure I understood what you are saying. In the meantime what you have done is to have P.S.A.s cover those posts. Mr. Gary: Yes, sir. Mr. Carollo: They have been covering those posts on a daily basis during school hours? Mr. Gary: Yes, sir. Mr. Carollo: That's beautiful. What I would gather that you need now is an additional motion by this Commission to give you the leeway to go ahead along with the program that you have formulated briefly to us now, which is different to what the School Board had agreed to go along with when we appropriated the money based on my motion.... Mr. Gary: That is correct. Mr. Carollo: ....in the discussion that we had. Mr. Gary: Yes, sir. Mr. Carollo: Why don't you spell out the wording that you would like on a motion and I will be more than happy to make it and Commissioner Plummer, I am sure, will second it. zz sl JAN 5 1984 0 0 Mr. Gary: I think it would be appropriate, Commissioner Carollo, that the motion read that the City Manager is hereby authorized to utilize this previous appropriation of $60,000 for school crossing guards to be administered by the School Board, and now utilize those funds to implement the program in the City of Miami. Mr. Carollo: We have a motion. Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute, Joe, I've got a slight problem with that. As I recall, it was my understanding, Mr. Gary, that the majority thinking of this Commission was that the School Board had an obligation for the safety of those children. In the same way that the School Board put together their own security force of some 40 men, I think is what it was, at a cost of $1,000,000, that they have the same obligation of providing traffic... whatever you want to call these new category ... and that this $60,000 was to be an immediate emergency stop -gap measure, because they had a budget problem. It was my understanding that this money would be used for the purposes of immediately implementing the safety of the children to give them the time to put the funding in their next budget. I have a problem with the fact that there are three taxing agencies in this community: the City, the County, and the School Board. We all have a 10 mill cap. I have no problem with picking up their derelict neglect -is what I must call it- of not providing. The safety of the children should be more of a concern than air-conditioning a school. My other concern I have expressed to you, and I will continue, that once you set the precedent of the public schools, I don't think you can deny the private schools, the safety of the children as it relates to traffic is just as important to the kids attending a private school as they are to a public. Thus, where do you end? I think this Commission has to be fully aware of what is the total impact of this particular program and where the funding is going to come from. For example, I can name of the 13 schools that you have delineated, that one P.S.A. or one traffic controller, or whatever school patrolman is not adequate, because the school is faced on two sides with two main arterials and children come from both sides. I think all of this has to be put into the hopper, but bottom line to me, I am more than happy to vote for a motion to immediately implement a program for the safety of the kids with the full understanding that it is the responsibility of the School Board under their taxation availability, as ours, that they must implement their own program. Mr. Gary, we went through this on what exactly we are discussing today, Federal Revenue Sharing Program, and that we were spending almost $200,000 of this money to put in school resource officers. I think you need to discuss today, and I am going to under Federal Revenue Sharing, if that in fact is a priority. The safety of children no one will argue with. Then $60,000 has to come out of Federal Revenue Sharing. I don't know where else it can come from. If you presented to me, as you said you did, a bare bones budget, you don't have $60,000 to play with. It has to come out of Federal Revenue Sharing. I am concerned about the long run. The long run means that the School Board is not going to pick up that which is rightfully their responsibility under their taxing ability, and they are going to expect us to do it. We can't afford it. Mr. Gary: If I may.... Mr. Carollo: Howard, excuse me for a second. I think what we need to do is go ahead with what you stated. What J.L is saying is true, but in the meantime we are playing with our children's lives out there. Mr. Plummer: Have no problem. Mr. Carollo: So what I would like to do is go ahead and allocate those funds so you can go ahead and implement this program and get the P.S.A.s out to do what they were hired to really do. JA N 51984 sl Mayor Ferre: The funds, as I recall, are $60,000? Mr. Plummer: Right. Mr. Gary: Yes, sir. Mr. Carollo: And if we have to take the School Board to court, do so. But in the meantime, we have to protect those children out there. Let me emphasize this again, those ten schools and ten sites that were picked were only the bare bottoms, the most dangerous. You know, it's no where near enough, J.L. Mayor Ferre: I completely subscribe to the idea that we have to do something. We can't just.... Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Mayor, I agree. Mayor Ferre: Who's right and who's wrong is secondary. Mr. Dawkins: I have been looking for my minutes and I'll find them and give each one of you a copy. We told Mrs. McAliley that we would provide the money if she were to come back to the Manager and tell the Manager how they were going to train the people to put out there. Now no where in the newspaper does it say Mrs. McAliley said she was going to train these guards. Mr. Plummer: If you want to go to that, let me tell you how it was played on one local T.V. station last night. Mr. Gary put the P.S.A.s at schools yesterday. One of them, because of a violent situation, was called away, a higher priority. The local station made fun of the fact that the P.S.A. was not on the job when there was a higher priority. I think that was wrong. Mr. Gary did the right thing by putting them there. I don't think that anyone would have expected not to utilize your manpower in the best way. I think it was unfair to this City. Mayor Ferre: What is the will of this Commission at this point? Mr. Carollo: Mr. Mayor, I make a motion that we allocate the $60,000 based upon the plan that Mr. Gary has presented to us briefly now; that we instruct the Manager to meet with the School Board personnel and if we cannot come to an agreement, as to where the School Board takes up the responsibility, that we instruct the Manager to take whatever legal steps we have to to force the School Board to pick up the responsibilities. Mr. Plummer: I second that motion with the proviso, Joe, that $60,000 has to come from the Federal Revenue Sharing money. I don't know where else it can come from. Is that acceptable to you? Mr. Carollo: It is acceptable to come as long as we get it from somewhere in our budget. The bottom line is we get it. I think you are right. Mr. Plummer: Agreed. Mr. Carollo: We don't have too many areas. Mayor Ferre: Under the powers provided to me under the Charter, I am calling a Special Commission Meeting for the purposes of discussing the subject of school crossing guards. I accept the motion as has been made by Commissioner Carollo and seconded by Commissioner Plummer. Is there further discussion on this motion? Are we in legal compliance now, Mr. City Attorney? Mr. Garcia-Pedorsa: Yes,,sir. Mr. Plummer: We've been in legal compliance. This was not a Special Commission Meeting. Mayor Ferre: It is a Special Commission Meeting. -24 sl JAN 51984 Mr. Plummer: Today's meeting was not a Special Meeting, Mr. Mayor; it was voted upon by this Commission of five members who agreed to it. It then takes it out of the aspect of a Special Call, which then the call has to be for a specified.... Mayor Ferre: J.L., I don't want to get into the legal argument with you, but the Charter says that the Commission has regular meetings and that if that it is not a regular meeting, then it is a Special Meeting, and the way Special Meetings are called, is either I call it, or three members of the Commission call it. Now, I'm just trying to comply with the law so that nobody challenges this in the future. If you are telling me that I don't have to say that into the record, then that is O.K. with me. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I'm not going to challenge. Basically, the Charter says that we shall have no less than two meetings. It doesn't say we can't have five. Mayor Ferre: J.L., this is not a regularly scheduled Commission Meeting when this is an agenda item. Show me where the agenda says that.... Mr. Plummer: No, sir, I agree with you. Mayor Ferre: It is not in the agenda. Mr. Plummer: Please, we'll hassle that later. Mayor Ferre: This is a Special Commission Meeting. It has two subjects on it. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, according to the Charter, a Special Meeting called by the Mayor, you are correct, this was not a Special Meeting today called by the Mayor. It was a meeting called by the Commission. That is the difference. Mayor Ferre: I stand corrected. I have no problems with that. Then this is not a special item. This is on the agenda on a normal basis and it is legally here, so, strike my previous statement. I accept the motion and the second. Further discussion? I think you are totally wrong, but I could care less. I don't think it means a bit of difference, as far as nobody challenges us legally. Mr. Garcia -Pedrosa: Mr. Mayor, could I suggest that you not strike out your comments? They are on the record. Commissioner Plummer's comments are on the record, and either way, we are safe. Mr. Gary: We're covered. Mr. Plummer: We'll ask the City Attorney to give us a legal opinion. Mayor Ferre: I could care less. Mr. Garcia -Pedrosa: You have it both ways. That's all right. Mr. Gary: Mr. Mayor, under discussion of the motion, may I ask Commissioner Carollo that he add to his motion, if he sees fit, that during the negotiations with the School Board, we talked about them running them program, that we also add a caveat that I can also negotiate that we can run the program and they pay for it. Mr. Carollo: I have no problem with that, Mr. Manager. Mr. Plummer: I have no problem with that, none whatsoever. As a matter of fact, with Joe's very forceful way of placing it, I would hope he be a member of the committee doing the negotiation. Mayor Ferre: Further discussion? Call the roll. ANA- sl JA N 51984 The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Carollo, who moved its adoption. MOTION 84-3 A MOTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO ALLOCATE $60,000 FROM FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING FUNDS (FY-'83-'84) IN CONNECTION WITH THE "SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS PROGRAM", WHICH PROGRAM WILL BE ADMINISTERED BY THE CITY OF MIAMI BASED UPON PLAN OUTLINED BY THE CITY MANAGER BEFORE THE CITY COM- MISSION ON THIS DATE; FURTHER INSTRUCTING THE CITY MANAGER TO ARRANGE A MEETING WITH THE DADE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD IN AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE THEM ASSUME FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR FUTURE FUNDING AND OPERATION OF THIS PROGRAM; AND FURTHER DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER THAT IN THE EVENT NO AGREEMENT IS FORTHCOMING BETWEEN TOO CTTY AND THE DADE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD, TO TAKE WHATEVER LEGAL ACTION MAY BE REQUIRED IN THE EVENT AN AGREEMENT CANNOT BE REACHED; AND FURTHER PROVIDING THAT IF DURING NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE DADE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD THEY WOULD AGREE TO FUND THE PROGRAM, THE CITY OF MIAMI WOULD AGREE TO RUN SAME. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Plummer, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote; AYES: Commissioner Joe Carollo Commissioner Demetrio Perez, Jr. 51984 4. POLICE & CLEANUP ARRANGEMENTS FOR A PARADE TO BE HELD JANUARY 12TH IN HONOR OF THE MIAMI HURRICANES. Mr. Gary: Mr. Mayor, one little side item. For your information, there will be a University of Miami Parade to celebrate the victory on January 12th between 11:30 and 12:00 o'clock and the County will be contribut- ing to this and we have been asked to contribute police and sanitation services. Mr. Carollo: This is the date that they are going to have it? Mr. Gary: Yes, sir. Mr. Carollo: Besides making a motion that we would contribute the police and sanitary service, I think it would be appropriate that I should make the motion to declare that that day and that week - Univer- sity of Miami Hurricane Football Team Day in the City of Miami. Mayor Ferre: Okay, I will take them one at a time, and I think there should be a third motion asking the Manager to look for an appropriate street or monument, or something that would be named after Howard Schnellenberger. Mr. Gary: Watson Island. Mr. Plummer: Schnellenberger Island (LAUGHTER) Mayor Ferre: That's not a bad idea! Well, I think there ought to be an appropriate ... I really think it has been one of the highlights of this community and certainly in the 86 years we have existed in the City has been that magnificent day a few days ago, so I think we need to commemorate it and I think Schnellenberger is just as worthy of recognition as was Don Shula and we have named them expressly after Don Shula, so... Mr. Carollo: Well, I think that really the most direct street to name, even though it is not completely in the City of Miami, is to name the highway that goes directly from the City of Miami to the University of Miami, and has the same number that they have - Number One - U. S. 1, Dixie Highway, that portion of the City of Miami can... Mr. Plummer: I've got a better idea. Name it on Grand Avenue, that runs from Miami -Coral Gables and then maybe Coral Gables will fix up their end of Grand Avenue. Mr. Carollo: Is there any way that portion of U. S. 1 that we could talk to the Federal people to name it? Mayor Ferre: I think that is something that you will have to come back and recommend to us in an appropriate thing, so the.... Mr. Carollo: Can you check into that, Howard? Mr. Gary: I can talk to them, yes. Mayor Ferre:.... first motion therefore is made by Commissioner Plummer on the expenditure of funds for the parade on the 12th. Is there a second? Mr. Carollo: Second. Mayor Ferre: Second by Carollo. Mr. Dawkins: Under discussion. Only that it be matched by the County. Mayor Ferre: All right. ld 27 JAN 51984 Mr. Plummer: They will move than match it. Mayor Ferre: Is that a condition to the motion? Does the maker and the seconder...? Mr. Carollo: That's fine. Mayor Ferre: Further discussion? Call the roll. Mr. Dawkins: To match or exceed, that is what I meant to say. Mayor Ferre: Call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption. MOTION NO. 84-4 A MOTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO ALLOCATE SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO COVER THE COST OF IN -KIND SERVICES FOR POLICE AND SANITATION IN CON- NECTION WITH A PARADE TO BE HELD ON JANUARY 12, 1984 IN CELEBRATION OF THE MIAMI HURRICANES' VICTORY AT THE ORANGE BOWL. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner Joe Carollo Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Vice -Mayor Demetrio Perez, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None ABSENT: None 5. DECLARE WEEK OF JANUARY 9 - 15 MIAMI HURRICANES NUMBER ONE WEEK. Mayor Ferre: The second motion is Commissioner Carollo's, which is declaring the week of January 9 through the 15th as Miami Hurricanes week. Is there a second? Mr. Dawkins: Second. Mayor Ferre: Second by Dawkins. Further discussion? Call the roll? The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Carollo, who moved its adoption. MOTION NO. 84-5 A MOTION OFFICIALLY DECLARING THE WEEK OF JANUARY 9TH THROUGH 15TH AS: "MIAMI HURRICANES NO. 1 WEEK" IN THE CITY OF MIAMI. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Dawkins, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner Joe Carollo Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Vice -Mayor Demetrio Perez, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None AN 51984 ld ABSENT: None 2 v LD Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute, on that one, Mr. Mayor, I hope on that proclamation it will be fully understood and spelled out that it is not the University of Coral Gables and it is not the University of Dade County. It is in fact, the University of Miami. 6. DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO RESEARCH A STREET, PLAZA OR PACK TO BE NAMED IN HONOR OF COACH HOWARD SCHNELLENBERGER. Mayor Ferre: The third motion is made by Commissioner Plummer, seconded by Commissioner Perez that the Manager research and come back with a proper street, or plaza, park, or other memorial to be named after Howard Schnellenberger for his magnificant achievement after five years as coach of the University of Miami. Mr. Carollo: If I could include in that motion that the Manager give priority to the portion of U. S. 1 that falls within the City of Miami. Mayor Ferre: With a priority, that portion of U. S. 1, starting at the end of I-95 Expressway to the City limits, which is to LeJeune Road. All right, further discussion? Call the roll on that one. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption. MOTION NO. 84-6 A MOTION INSTRUCTING THE CITY MANAGER TO RESEARCH A SUITABLE STREET, PLAZA OR PARK TO BE NAMED AFTER THE "MIAMI HURRICANES" COACH SCHNLLENBERGER, AND FURTHER DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO INQUIRE OF U. S. AND STATE OFFICIALS IF THE SECTION OF U. S. 1, ALSO KNOWN AS "DIXIE HIGHWAY", BEGINNING AT THE DOWN RAMP OF I-95 WESTWARD TO THE CITY LIMITS (LeJeune Road) COULD BE RENAMED IN HONOR OF COACH SCHNELLENBERGER. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Perez, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner Joe Carollo Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Vice -Mayor Demetrio Perez, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None ABSENT: None .230 AN 51981 Id 7. INSTRUCT CITY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE RESOLUTION OF CONDOLENCES IN CONNECTION WITH DEATH OF POLICE OFFICER ROBERT ZORE. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, if I may, and I hate to start off the first meeting of the year this way, but I think it has to be done, that this Commission instruct the City Attorney to prepare the appropriate reso- lution expressing the sorrow of this Commission at the passing of a police officer who was killed in the line of duty - Robert Zore, and that he come back in the next Commission meeting with the appropriate resolution to be passed and forwarded on to the family, expressing our sorrow at the loss of an officer. Mayor Ferre: There is a motion and a second - further discussion? Call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption. MOTION NO. 84-7 A MOTION INSTRUCTING THE APPROPRIATE CITY DEPARTMENT TO PREPARE AN OFFICIAL EXPRESSION OF CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY OF POLICE OFFICER ROBERT ZORE, WHO WAS -KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Carollo, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner Joe Carollo Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Vice -Mayor Demetrio Perez, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None ABSENT: None THEREUPON, THE CITY COMMISSION WENT INTO A BRIEF RECESS AT 12:07 P.M., RECONVENING AT 12:14 P.M., with all members of the Commission found to be present except for: Commissioner Dawkins and Commissioner Carollo. 8. DISCUSSION F.R.S.F. - FY 1983-84; PUBLIC HEARING - REPRESENTATION FROM SOCIAL SERVICE AGENCIES - INTENT OF PRIORITIES OF AVAILABLE FUNDS. Mayor Ferre: The Chair will recognize you at this point to make what- ever comments or presentations you may have and then we will then ask the Commission to make statements and we will open it up for the public hearing. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I would hope...I don't know...Dena, you were present that you must take from this allocation now $60,000 for the School Crossing guards. Mayor Ferre: All right, Mr. Manager? Dena Spillman. Ms. Dena Spillman: I want to just give you a brief summary of your actions to date, Commissioners. As of now, we have funded our on- going social service agencies through January 31st, with the exception ld 30 AN 51984 0 0 of Centro Caribeno and with the addition of Martin Technical School, Centro Mater, United Family and Children's Services and we have in- creased the allocation for the Industrial Home for the Blind. Based on that, we have committed over $544,000 of our total of $1,120,000 in Federal Revenue Sharing. Now, if you add the $60,000 that we just dis- cussed, Commissioner Plummer, we have committed over $600,000 in funds. This leaves and uncommitted balance of approximately $515,000, and that brings us to a deficit of $261,000. If we take out Aspira, as was recom- mended by Staff, our deficit is about $230,000. Commissioner Carollo is not here, so I will not respond to the State Attorney's report. Com- missioners, at the last meeting... Mr. Plummer: The monitor... Ms. Spillman: We can discuss it, it is in your memo, if you want me to talk about it, I will. Mr. Plummer: In other words, about the monitoring of the programs.. Ms. Spillman: The issue has been taken care of. Mr. Plummer: Well, that is what we were told before. Ms. Spillman: You asked that we analyze each project according to the following priorities - food, medical and children in need. The chart on Page 8 categorizes each proposal according to the priorities that you suggested. Clearly, the first priority has been to fund food re- lated projects, as was your first priority and you have acted in that manner. Mayor Ferre: And food related and associated, for example, transporta- tion and getting the old people to... Ms. Spillman: Well, we didn't include transportation. If you add that in, it is even a higher percentage of... Mayor Ferre: Well, if you remember, I very specifically went on record, or Plummer did, I forget who, saying that it isn't just the putting of the food in somebody's mouth, but it is getting them there to be able to be fed. Ms. Spillman: Okay, i won't go through pages 3 and 4 outlined for you, of the food providing agencies, what percentage of F.R.S. money is used for food. It goes from anywhere from "0"% to 90% of City money. Mayor Ferre: Of F.R.S. what? Ms. Spillman: Funds which go to food, and food providing agencies. In other words, some agencies may receive F.R.S., but they use it for support services and other funds are used for the food. Mr. Plummer: Well, we can decipher that. Ms. -Spillman: A1,1 right, the Mayor requested that we make sure that all agencies serve City of Miami residents. That will be a strong contractual requirement as it has been and we will monitor that. We have budget information on each agency and Commissioner Perez, you specifically requested information on the youth coop project. In that regard, we find the program to be a viable program if funds can be made available, which as you know, is a problem. You also asked about Southwest Social Services and it appears to be viable. The agency states that it has negotiated a lease to locate within the City of Miami. They are currently not in the City of Miami. We also would like to say that Little Havana Activities and Nutrition Center has requested to provide the same service, if you decide to add addi- tional funds for that service. This is another additonal program. On Page 6 you will find the summaries of everything. If you look in Column 2, you will find the agencies which have requested additional funds and we did discuss this a bit at the last meeting. Action Community Center, Allapattah Community Action, Coconut Grove Family Clinic, J.E.S.C.A., Little Havana Activity Center, and those are the existing agencies, those who have requested additonal funding. That ld 31 ,JA% 51984 11 is where we stand as of this moment. tions which you have at this time. I would be happy to answer any ques- Mr. Plummer: Let me ask you a question. Mayor Ferre: I will start with our senior member. Mr. Plummer: Let me ask me what you are doing, Dena, if anything. As you know, this Commission went and broke ground for a new community center for Allapattah. I went to visit the program of Orlando Urra just before Christmas and I forget - how many are you feeding there now - about 300? Now, when this new center is built, that program will be transferred over to the new center, in which they can accomodate twice that number. Now, the question that I have - are we looking to the future of knowing that we are going to be fully utilizing that program and making the funds, which as you know, my priority Number 1 is for food. When will that center be finished?..In this budget year or the next budget year? Ms. Spillman: It will be the next budget year? Mr. Plummer: Okay, are we addressing the anticipation of that opening for the next year? In other words, I would hate to think that this Commission has gone to a ground breaking dedication. We are building a structure, and what I consider to be the main purpose is feeding people and here we build a beautiful structure, but we don't have money for the food. I am just raising that as a question. (INAUDIBLE COMMENT) Mr. Plummer: Yes, I want the answer. Mr. Gary: I think the intent of building the building itself took into consideration that as funds became available, and opportunities became available in the future, that we could expand that program, so the bot- tom line becomes that this City Commission has to decide, first of all, if they have available funds, to expand that program in the future, either through Federal resources that may be available, or through Federal Revenue Sharing. I can say right now that the City Commission is going to have some tough decisions to make. Mr. Plummer: Tougher! Mr. Gary: Tougher! I think in terms of what you have contributed to Mr. Urra's program, I think has gone beyond most programs, in terms of contributions. We have given additional money every year - he had a new car and everything... Mr. Plummer: Well... Mr. Gary: Let me just finish, if I may. I think you have got to look at... Mr. Plummer: You are finished, you just don't know it, but go ahead! Mr. Gary: I'm finished! Mr. Plummer: Mr. Gary, let me tell you something, one thing that this man in the center chair, and the two end chairs became very obvious dur- ing our campaign, and I think that we made commitments during that cam- paign. Mr. Gary, we have got to address the different neighborhoods. As you know, probably one df the main priorities this year, of an over- looked area is Flagami, west end. We will be entertaining proposals very shortly about a community center in the Flagami west end area, okay? Now, I think that we have got to be fair. I think we do programs in Little Havana. We are doing programs in Edison Park, Edison Center. We are doing programs in Allapattah. I really don't know of programs that exist in Flagami or west of Leieune, okay? Now, I think what I am really saying is, that we have got to look at this with an equal distri- bution, considering the neighborhood. I would hate to think that you misunderstood this Commission when we allocated the money for the Allah- pattah Community Center, that we were not making any other decision than to expand the program. ld .JA N 51964 i Mr. Gary: Let me just correct myself. The building that would be built will be built to accomodate the program as it exists now. That is all the money we have. It won't be able to accomodate twice the size of the program. Mr. Plummer: No, you are wrong, because where he is presently, and I asked the question when I saw the size of the dining room. How do you feed 300, and the way is very simple. They have two feedings, okay? So, yes, it will. It can go from a 300 presently to a 400, okay? Mr. Gary: That is not the building we are building. Mr. Plummer: Then you are not utilizing your structure. Mr. Dawkins: I have one question. Mr. Gary: I thought you were going to assume it did. Mr. Dawkins: I have one question. You sat here and heard us say to find $60,000 for the School Crossing. Will that $60,000 be added to $231,205 deficit to give us $291,205 deficit? Ms. Spillman: Yes, sir, if you... Mr. Plummer: No, no, no! Go ahead. That was not my understanding. You know, let's understand. This thing is no deficit. This thing is deficit! Now, Dena you did this (excuse me, don't take.this personally, okay?) Commission a disservice when you start talking about deficits. This Commission set its priorities. This Commission told you how much you had to work with. This Commissioner never_ spoke to going beyond that amount of money. When you start talking deficit, you are talking the Federal government and they are the only ones that I know that can talk and end in a deficit.. We cannot. Mr. Gary: In all due deference to Dena, I think what she has done is appropriate in that you asked for information. You gave very little guidance and what this is attempting to do is to give you a "what if" analysis. If you continue with your policies, then this is what is going to happen. Mr. Dawkins: If we take the $60,000 from the $1,120,000, we will have... Mayor Ferre: There is not that much left. Mr. Gary: What you ought to do is take it out of the $575,000. Mr. Plummer: $575,000, because that is all the monies that is left. - Ms. Spillman: Commissioner Dawkins. Mr. Dawkins: So, you take $60,000 from that. Mr. Gary: Leave it alone. Mr. Plummer: Applied evenly across the board. It has got to be! Mr. Gary: Do you understand? You are taking it away from the available cash of $575,000, therefore whatever is left has got to be allocated to everybody else. Mayor Ferre: Let me go over where we are, okay? It is really very, very simple to all of you here in the audience. We had $1,200,000 in Federal Revenue Sharing. Over the years, we said no new projects, so that we don't get into this what we are into now. What happened was that we said "okay", we are going to reopen it for new projects, and for the $1,120,000, because F.R.S. has gone down, but we have $3,000,000 worth of requests, and because most of the requests, if not all of them are worthy requests, and because the feeding is worthy, and legal ser- vices is worthy, and H.A.C.A:D. is worthy, and Reverend, your project is worthy and everybody's projects are worthy, we can't bite the bullet, so we keep putting it off, every month. We will say "All right, we don't have time and I've got to go catch a plane" - Carollo has got an ld 33 JAN 51984 .0 appointment, the other guys going to do this, and so we keep - we put it off in October because there is an election coming up. We put it off in November because we didn't have time. We put it off in December because I had to go catch a plane at 7:00 o'clock that evening. Now we are in January. In the meantime, four months have gone by and that $1,120,000 is now down to $570,000, okay? And now, this morning be- cause of the School Crossing crisis, we chipped $60,000 off of that, so you are down to just over $500,000, and for that $500,000, there is well over $2,000,000 worth of requests. There is no way we can do it! I mean, that is like fitting the camel into the needle's eye. There is no way in God's world that we can satisfy a request of Little Havana, Allapattah, Overtown, the new project out there in west of the City, Legal Services, on and on - all of them worthy projects with $500,000. You know, we are back to where we were 3 or 4 years ago when we got into this mess and finally after going through 2 or 3 of these meetings, Plummer, or somebody on this Commission then said, "No more! We stay with what we have, no new projects, we fund what we have and we are not going to take any new projects. Now... Mr. Plummer: Would you expand about that camel and the needle? I lost something! Mayor Ferre: It has something to do with Atlantis Island! (LAUGHTER) Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, in accordance with what you are saying, Mr. Manager, I have talked with the people of the South Florida Theatre Company and explained to them that I felt that they would be more appropriately out of revenue sharing and into festivals, which is what they have. They have agreed, and they are withdrawing their request here this morning and I would ask that that matter be referred over to the Festival Committee for consideration. On the record, I made no promises to them, that they would get any funding over there. I more or less told them that they definitely are not going to get it here, but at least they could be in the fight to fight for the dollar, so they are requesting, and I hope that will be granted to transfer over. Ms. Spillman: Can I give you about two clarifications that will assist you a little bit. The School Crossing Guard program would only require $40,000 in this budget year, because it is so late in the year already. Mr. Plummer: So that there is no misunderstanding, that money has nothing to do with the year. It is a one lump sum grant to get the emergency problem addressed and as Commissioner Carollo very well put it, that if the School Board doesn't pick up their responsibility, that we take them to court and force them to do it. Ms. Spillman: Okay, I stand corrected on that. Also, there was some discussion at the, last meeting on your part of discontinuing ASPIRA. If that occurs, you will save $50,000. Again, a discussion did take place. I wanted you to be aware of that. We have not had a final decision on that. Mayor Ferre: Well, let me say something with regards to ASPIRA. I didn't do this at the last Commission meeting, because on that same day, Mendez had died, you know, and I thought it was just going to be a little bit too over dramatic for me to say "On behalf of our friend (I think he was' a friend to all of us) Jose Mendez, I think we ought to do ASPIRA now and let it go at that". I thought that would have just been too over dramatic, so I didn't do it, but now I am going to do it, and I think that ASPIRA is a project that I do think is really deserv- ing of serious consideration. It is a project that we funded for many years. It has problems. We ought to help them work out of their problems and put the conditions, but I think it would be tragic for us to lose this at this time. That is just one man's opinion. Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr. Mayor, let me tell you where this one Commis- sioner is. I would like to set a predicate, and you know I will abide by the decision of this Commission, that we are going to stick to the total of $515,000 and we will not exceed that. Now, I think that is Number one. I just don't think that this Commission - somewhere we have got to take a stand, and somewhere we have got to say "no". Now, it is just that simple, and I would hope that this Commission would take a stand and say that the dollars we have are the dollars we are ld 34 AN 5 t984 P 11 going to work with. Now, this is really no different than what we said to the Staff six months ago, no new projects, but we deviated, and that is why we are in trouble. If we had stuck to that - no new projects - every- one taking a very slight reduction, there would have been no problem. We would have not been in the stew that we are in, but we did. I would hope... Mr. Mayor, I would make a motion, whether or not it passes, that this Commission will not allocate more than the funds that are available, as indicated by Staff at $515,000 for the remaining portion of the budget, and I so move that. Mr. Dawkins: I second. Mr. Perez: Before I second anything... Mayor Ferre: There is a motion and a second - under discussion, Commis- sioner Perez. Mr. Perez: Okay, for discussion, I would like to clarify how do we have left over $231,000? Mr. Plummer: That is a deficit. Mr. Perez: How do you think that we can cover those funds. Mr. Plummer: Each one will have to take a cut, or what you are going to have to do is to go to some kind of a priority and... Mr. Dawkins: Well, lottery is illegal, J. L. Mr. Plummer: Well, robbing banks is illegal! Look, all I am saying to you is that we have "V number of dollars to work with. That's it! Whether you want to say it is politically, administratively, intelligent- ly, whatever priority you set, you have got to set a bottom line, and you have got to work within it! How do you say "no" to these other programs? You have got programs here that as far as I am concerned are super programs. Let me bring to your attention one thing. I won't name, but his initials are Raul Martinez, who brought to my attention that the City of Hialeah (What is it, the third largest City in Metro - Dade County?)..... Mayor Ferre: Second. Mr. Plummer....second, do not spend ten cents on social programs. Well, I don't agree with that! Mayor Ferre: That is the way we used to be. Mr. Plummer: Okay, they do not spend ten cents of their F.R.S. Now, you know, what I am saying to you, I want to help! And I want to help first and foremost the needy. Now, you know, the City of Orlando - let me give you an example there. In their F.R.S. money, they fund you for one year only. They give you the money to start up your program. They give you the time, and the effort to prove yourself, and then you have got to provide your own funding. Mayor Ferre: How do you feed somebody for one year only? Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, they have to go out and get other funds. Mayor Ferre: From whom? Mr. Plummer: How do we stop all of these new programs from coming in, all great programs - all of them are great programs! Mayor Ferre: How do you tell Tacolcy, J. L., or how do you tell Little Havana, or so and so, we are going to give you moeny now, for hot meals, or for whatever programs and next year, you have got to go out and get your own money. You understand? Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor... Id 35 AN 51984 Mayor Ferre: .... No, I'm sorry - you have got to get Eastern Airlines to give you the... Mr. Plummer: Excuse me - Mr. Mayor, I did not say I was advocating that. Don't misunderstand me. I am saying that is what the City of Orlando does. That is what the City of Hialeah does, and you know, I am saying that they are on the other extreme of the spectrum. Mayor Ferre: Let me tell you what I think. Mr. Plummer: We are on the far other idea of the spectrum. There has got to be a middle ground! Mayor Ferre: Let me tell you what I am in favor of doing, okay? Let me tell you what the problem is, and this is probably the first time I have really said this, but we have got to be brutally honest about this. What happens, and I was not on the Commission, so I will tell you the story of the time when I was not either or a Commissioner or Mayor. You were on the Commission by this time. Dave Kennedy was the Mayor, and I remember the time, when we went through this process and at the end of the session, somebody said "Well, there is $73,000 left unallocated," and somebody got up and said "I've got a program that can use that $73,000". Dave recognized him, and that was the allocation. The next day there was a blistering, terrible editorial in the Miami Herald written by Don Shoemaker. I remember it vividly because he called me to ask my opinion. I was then not a member of the Commission, nor Mayor - this was before '73. Mr. Plummer: That is called the good old days. Mayor Ferre: I have been now Mayor for over 10 years and every single year, let me tell you what happens. At one time, Plummer said "Don't get into social services. It is Metro's responsibility, we shouldn't get into it". The reason we got into it is because we got Federal Revenue Sharing, okay? And somebody came here and got to that microphone and they said, "How can you spend money in improving streets in Coconut Grove and not take care of the social problems", and so on and so forth. Gibson was sitting right here and said "Absolutely, that is correct, and we have to have a conscience, and Mendez got up and he said "Well, if you are going to do it for the Blacks in Coconut Grove, what are you going to do for the Puerto Ricans in Wynwood?", and we got into it. And we have been into it ever since. Well, let me tell you what happens. We asked Staff. Staff gets 7% or 8% of all these monies to analyze - 10%. They spend $100,000 going through these programs. Invariably, we pay attention to about 60% or 70% of what Staff recommends, and then we start, not in recent years, because we froze it, but three or four years ago, when we were still involved in finagling this thing around, Gibson had his thing that he wanted - Plummer always wants to protect Centro Mater and the Catholic Services and downtown - Lacasa always had his preferences as to who his friends were - and the other guy had his preferences, but that is where we are at! So, what happens is this, that we end up getting to the political process, you see, because there are people here who were very good to some of us during the campaign process, and feel that perhaps we ought to look seriously at their applications, or it gets involved in the politics. And I think maybe it is really time, J. L., for me to revive something that I had made a statement about 10 years ago, and that is, we cannot get out of the social service business, but I think that perhaps we ought to get away from the political process in all of this, and the only way we can do that is to turn over the decision making to someone who is qualified and does that as a regular basis, and I am talking about the United Way. That is just my personal opinion, and perhaps maybe what we ought to do, we can't do it this year, because I think it is too late this year, but in my opinion, I do not like to be involved in the poverty. Unfortunately, in New York, they used to call it something else. They used to call it poverty pimps and I don't want to get in the poverty pimping business. I think it is terrible thing, and I think all we end up doing is antagonizing people, and creating divisions and problems and nobody is ever happy. I have never seen a process that is painful, that takes as long, and I don't think there is a member of this Commis- sion that can deny that at one point or another, he or she, including ld o6 .JAN 51984 0 6 going back to Mrs. Range, and I don't see her around any more, but when Mrs. Range was on the Commission, don't come telling me that we don't get pressures from our different peer constituency. I am not saying for this year, but I am saying for the future, perhaps we ought to get it completely away from the realms of the electoral process. Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Mayor, along the lines of what J. L. said, I am going to read the reason why we are where we are. Allapattah Community Agency requested $27,825. 12% or 30% will be spent on food. $24,482 - 62% on personnel. First United Methodist Church, their total budget is $94,893. 40% of the total budget is for food, and they only ask us for $10,000. Haitian -American Community Association, $141,810, of which 39% is for emergency food program. 38% is for lawyers, and 14% in etcetera. J. M. B. Scott Community asked for $35,591 - 90% is for food. Little Havana Activity and Nutrition Center, their budget, they requested $109,974 - $20,276 for food, which represents 18% of the total funds requested - 39% for food, 50% for personnel costs. St. Dominic - $114,614 requested - $36,691 for food, 32% of the budget, and it goes on. Miami Jewish for the hospital, $108,465, of which 15% would be for line items, and 70% would be requested to go to other areas. Southwest Social Ser- vices, they asked for $64,000 - $17,120 for food, 27%. And we can go on and the reason why we don't get more mileage out of it, that the majority of the money that we are giving is not being used for food - it is being used for personnel. Mr. Plummer: Well, let me go back and address one thing that the Mayor said, and I want to take very much the opposite view. I -would be totally opposed to turning this over to United Way. Those people are here asking us for money! They can't even administer what they have got. They are coming asking a City who is running into a deficit problem, to give them $50,000 to help run their program. How in the hell are they going to run our program if they can't run their own? I would be totally opposed to that. Now, if you want to try and remove and keep in house the politics of the event, that is a different ball game. Mr. Mayor, there is no way that I know of - don't sit here and make me believe that there is no politics in United Way. Those are appointed people of the community. I don't know of any agency in this City - this county, that doesn't have politics involved. It is the way of life. Whether it is the Off-street Parking Authority, or the Downtown Development Authority, they are political appointees. United Way - these are all people. Human beings are subject to pressure. Now, what I think we have got to do, we have got to take a stand. There is only "X" number of dollars, and this Commission has got to set its priorities and let the chips fall where they may, and fully understand that there are going to be people who are going to be told "no". I made a statement the other day which, if we are not there this year, we definitely are next. We have now reached the point - which hungry people are we going to tell "no". That is a sad day! Now, I agree, as the Mayor speaks about, problems that we are creating. We thought it was a landfall when this F.R.S. came down, and we thought it was a great thing when they put a provision that 10% of your money could be used for social programs, but little did we realize that after establishing these great programs, that they would pull the funding rug from underneath of us and throw us into absolute disaster, and that is where we are, because people have become accustomed to re- ceiving, and now, when you are going to have to take it away, we can't feed everybody! We can't house everybody. We can't give everybody a job. It is just not within the purview or the funding ability of this City, this County, or this State. I think we have got to take that stand. I hope the motion, you know, that I made today - I realize that it is not going to be a popular motion, but we have only got so much. Mr. Mayor, I say to you conversely, that if we double that amount today, that we have got that I have made into a motion, there are still going to have to be some people that are going to be told "no", that we can't do it. Dena, if I am not mistaken, the provision is still within the Federal guidelines that you cannot exceed 10% for social programs. Ms. Spillman: That is C. D., not r.R.S. Mr. Plummer: I am mistaken - all right then I am sorry. I stand corrected. All I am saying is, there has got to be a bottom line. ld 37 1984 AN 5 0 Where is it? I am trying to establish it. The rest of the Commission doesn't agree? Mayor Ferre: Let's get to it. Mr. Perez: Mr. Mayor, I think that this Commission has to keep the control of the F.R.S. project. I think that we can't transfer to United Way, nor any other individual, but anyhow, I think that for next year I would like to do a study on to propose the possibility of appointing a committee of five members - something on the kind of procedures that we have with the bidding of the City in order that they receive all the recommendation from*the -Staff, and after they make proper recommendations to the City Commission, but they have the opportunity to discuss all the projects with the community groups and to make this other proposition available to the Commission, but I would like to second this motion. Mayor Ferre: What motion? Mr. Perez: The motion of Commissioner Plummer. Mayor Ferre: Repeat your motion so I can... Mr. Plummer: My motion was, Mr. Mayor, that this Commission establish the remaining portion for the fiscal year, at the $515,000, and we will not exceed that allocation. Mayor Ferre: And there is a second to that motion. Further discussion? Mr. Dawkins: Under discussion, all we have been saying up here all day is semantics and I think it is semantics when the Mayor said that give it to the United Way. I think what he is saying is the same thing that I have been voicing ever since I have been up here, and he is saying simply that we have got to find an agency, or we have got to let Staff be the agency that recommends to us what to do. So now, whether that is United Way, whether that is Staff, but we have got to stop letting Staff sit down and come up with these recommendations and we sit up here and as the Mayor says, play politics! Mr. Plummer: My good friend, Commissioner Dawkins. Mr. Dawkins: Yes, sir. Mr. Plummer: Sometimes it is bad being here too long. For 14 years, my good friend, I have heard that same statement made. Maurice and I remember the year we took a blood oath, that whatever Staff came out with, we would approve! We were going to get out of this chaos! We were going to eliminate these problems! There were the professionals! Do what we are paying them to do. How many years did I hear that? Now, unless you go and get five priests and cloister who will give them the money so that they can allocate it before it comes back here, you are kidding yourself! Mr. Dawkins: Why do they have to be priests? I want a Baptist minister! Mr. Plummer: Fine, get five clergymen and cloister - give them the money and let them allocate it and come back and report to us what they did - yes you might do it that way, okay? Mayor Ferre: Okay, let's get on with it. Mr. Dawkins: All right, call the roll! Mayor Ferre: There is a motion on the floor. Call the roll. Mr. Plummer: That we will not exceed the $515,000. ld JAN 51984 The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption. MOTION NO. 84-8 A MOTION DECLARING THE INTENT OF THE CITY COMMISSION TO SPEND NO MORE THAN THE REMAINING ALLOCATION OF FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING FUNDS FOR FY - 183-184, SAID ALLOCATION BEING $515,000, AS INDICATED BY STAFF. Upon being seconded by Commissioner Dawkins, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Vice -Mayor Demetrio Perez, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo ON ROLL CALL: Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Plummer, that $515,000 is to reduced by the $60,000? Mr. Plummer: No, sir. That is reduced by the $60,000. We have already.. that's... Mr. Dawkins: Okay - "yes". Mayor Ferre: Before I vote, Mr. Manager, there is no other identifiable money at this point that you have identified. Mr. Gary: No, sir. Mayor Ferre: I have no choice but to vote "yes". Mr. Plummer: Excuse me. Now, I want to make sure we understand. When the Mayor asks you, Mr. Manager, that there are no other identifiable sources... Mayor Ferre: We've have cut down departments. Mr. Plummer: Well, okay, but there are other amounts of F.R.S. that could have been reallocated, but they have already been allocated. Mr. Gary: So you can't reallocate them. Mr. Plummer: Well, don't bet you on that one now. Mayor Ferre: Now, look... Mr. Plummer: Don't ever put a scalpel in my hand. Mayor Ferre: Now, the point is, that once you make a legal commitment, there is no way you can start reversing that. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, we have not made any legal commitments except in two areas. Mayor Ferre: There is also a legal limitation, isn't there, about the 10%? Mr. Plummer: No budget is written in stone, Mr. Gary. There is nothing this afternoon that says we can't reduce your salary by $7,000, even though it is in the budget. Mr. Gary: Court may have a problem with that. Mayor Ferre: I think you know... 39 JAN 5198 ld or Mr. Plummer: That's all right, you will be on the outside looking in. Mayor Ferre: The point of the matter is, what percentage of F.R.S. Dena, are we spending on social programs? Ms. Spillman: The Manager would have to... Mr. Plummer: Well, what is our F.R.S.? Around $11,000,000? Ms. Spillman: I don't know what it is. Mr. Gary: What was the question? Mayor Ferre: Question is, what percentage of our total budget are we spending on F.R.S.? Mr. Gary: About 10%. Mayor Ferre: Isn't that the legal limit? Mr. Plummer: No, that is in C. D. That was the guideline, though, that we used in applied towards the F.R.S. Mayor Ferre: In other words, there is no legal limitation as to what percentage of F.R.S. we used in social programs. Is that correct? Ms. Spillman: That is correct. Mr. Gary: That is correct. Mr. Plummer: Well, there is no limit, except, as I recall very well from being told - that the people up in Atlanta, when it comes to next year's allocation, will look at how you spend your money. Mayor Ferre: Well, there is a formula, and they can't depart from the formula. Mr. Gary: Well, no, that is not the case. What is happened, I would say the last six or seven years - I will even go back ten years, there have been court suits in various cities that said that a lot of cities were utilizing monies that were not benefiting the total community, and as a result, cities get around that by putting it in their general fund, and allocating the money for police, fire, because everybody receives those services. Mr. Dawkins: That is my question to you, Mr. Gary. What do we use revenue sharing funds for? Mr. Gary: We use 90% of it for police, fire and sanitation, and the other 10% for social service programs. Mr. Dawkins: So if we were to allocate more money to social services, then fire, police and etcetera, would have to come from where? The General Fund? Mr. Gary: Well, it is not as simple as that. It would have to come from the General Fund, which requires that you either cut other ser- vices, such as parks, recreation, or you can cut police, fire and sanitation. Mr. Plummer: Or you can eliminate people! Mr. Dawkins: Or raise taxes! Mr. Plummer: Can't raise taxes - we are at the maximum.. You know, I hope that everyone sitting in this audience, because the basic under- lying thought in my mind, I.hope each and every one of you remembers this when we start talking about Proposition One. I hope each and every one of you - I am going Saturday for the first task force meeting on Proposition One, and if you think times are tight right now, if Propo- sition One passes, it will almost completely eliminate social programs, ld 40 AN 51984 0 0 but it will address things as reducing our police and fire by 20%, our sanitation by 20% of what we have existing today. I just hope that people of this community, if that is what they vote for (I can learn to live with it - my salary has been the same since 1949, and doesn't af- fect my pocketbook). What I am saying is, I just hope that this message is getting across to the community, that this is what you want, this is what you are going to get, and this is what you are going to have, be- cause I think Proposition One will seriously, seriously, damage every city in the State of Florida. Mr. Mayor, I think we were in the middle of a roll call - did you vote? Mayor Ferre: Yes. Roll call is over. Mr. Plummer: Okay. Mayor Ferre: Where we are now therefore, that we are now limited to $515,000 and now comes the difficult decision of allocation of those monies, so before we get into any public segment, the Chair will open up for any statements that any member of the Commission wishes to make. I have already made one basic statement with regards to ASPIRA and you can make your statements. Tell me what you want to do. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, let me just express my opinion for what it is worth. It is the same opinion I have expressed for 14 years. I will tell you exactly where I am. I would like to send it to Staff. I think that this Commission should set the priorities instructing Staff that we are going to go, for example, food as a number one priority; medical as a second priority... Mayor Ferre: Wait a minute, please. Let me understand - when you say food, do you include food and the other things that go with food? Mr. Plummer: Yes, sir, to provide a meal without the people being able to get it is not providing a meal. Mayor Ferre: I need to clarify for the record, J. L. Mr. Plummer: Certainly. Yes, sir - meals and accessory items, such as transportation. Medical, and then give Staff a free hand to whatever is left over to be allocated to the other programs. Mr. Gary: That is on Page 8. Mr. Plummer: No, it is not on Page 8, because we are now reduced by another $60,000. Mr. Gary: Well, I think... Mr. Plummer: And the Staff did not put Page 8 together with those priorities. Mayor Ferre: I just don't think that we can continue to put this decision off month after month, because you know, pretty soon what we are down to is $100,000. Mr. Dawkins: I agree! I agree with the Mayor, we have got to bite the bullet and do it now, because we have had these people come down here six or seven times, and I just don't...I am not coming back again! I will not be here at the next meeting, and I am going to tell everybody out there now, the next time we have F.R.S. discussions, I will not be here. So, if we don't vote on it today, I am sorry, it is not that I am not with you, it is just that I am not going to have you continue to come down here and I continue to come down here for a farce. Mr. Plummer: Well, I see the only alternative... and I don't disagree with you! I am as tired as these people are of coming down here and listening to it, okay? ,I don't disagree with that. The only other way I know that you can evolve with that situation is take the remaining monies, see how much a reduction in percentage that is, and apply it across the board. I don't know how else you can do it. Id 41 JAN 51984 or Mayor Ferre: All right, out of courtesy to all these people that are here and a lot of them that want to speak, I've got to give them - this is a public hearing, and they have an opportunity to speak. I can't deny them that right. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I don't know how these people can speak to an issue that has not been first developed by this Commission. Mayor Ferre: Well, I am willing... Mr. Plummer: Now, how can a man speak to "X" number of dollars when he might be getting "X" less, or even possibly, "X" more. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer, I will recogize you for the purposes of mak- ing a motion. If you get a second we will put it to a vote and then we will proceed from there. Now, having done that, then we can proceed with hearing these people speak, or we can hear them speak, but what I am telling you as the Chairperson of this Board, this a public hearing. Mr. Plummer: All right, sir. Mr. Mayor... Mayor Ferre: And I cannot let - you know, there are people who want to speak, and I can't deny them that right! Mr. Plummer: I would never do such, but I think for them to speak intelligently, they have got to know what they are speaking to! Mayor Ferre: I think they have been listening very carefully to what you and others... Mr. Plummer: Well, let me try a motion on it for size. Mayor Ferre: All right! Mr. Plummer Mr. Mayor, I would make a motion that Staff be instructed to immediately develop the monies that we have, reduction percentage wise and apply that reduction to across the board on each and every program. Mr. Gary: Each and every program based on what? Mr. Plummer: Based on the reduction as today. You mean, on last year's programs? Mr. Plummer: Well, on the allocation, Mr. Mayor, that they themselves put forth without a deficit. They know we have now, by Commission action, $515,000 less. Predicate on that amount of money, each program that would amount to a percentage less than what has been proposed. That percentage would be applied to every program in the same proportion. I don't know how else to do it. Mayor Ferre: Plummer, let me tell you what I think that means. That is as if you had 15 hungry children, okay? ... of which four or five of them are on the verge of dying from starvation. Now, what you are saying is "All right now, this is the food we have to feed fifteen, but since we have taken away $60,000 of it, now we are going to cut all of you proportionately less, and obviously five of you are going to die." Now, it seems to me that if that is the case, there are programs here where a five or ten percent reduction absolutely means they are out! Mr. Plummer: Then do you want to do it on an individual program basis? Mr. Dawkins: I second the motion! Mayor Ferre: You second which motion? Mr. Dawkins: The motion that Plummer made to make this cut - figure out what the shortage is, divide that by the total number of projects, and apply the cut across the board. ld 42 JAN 51984 0. 0. Mayor Ferre: There is a motion and a second. Is there further discussion on the Commission? Are we clear as to what the motion is? Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, please. I don't know whether I want to vote for my own motion? Does somebody got a better idea - I am willing to listen. Mayor Ferre: Yes, I don't know whether this is a better idea, but I think we need to bite the bullet individually and decide, you know, because some of these programs simply are not going to be able to sur- vive with five or ten% less, and we have got programs... Mr. Plummer: That means that what you are going to have to do is eradicate some programs entirely. Mayor Ferre: Okay, I think so, and then you get to the question of what do you do about legal services. Mr. Plummer: Well, are we going to take... Mayor Ferre: What do you do about this Southwest project that wants to feed people? What do you do... these are all new programs! Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, let me tell you where the problem with that is going to come, okay? I could accept that, if in fact, I had the guar- antee that we were going to take the total program into view. I noted for example that there is one program before us for about $100,000, and if we cut that, they could maybe allocate and say, "Well, you are going to kill my program", but not if you take into consideration their total funding from all sources is over $1,000,000! Mayor Ferre: What are you talking about, the Jewish Home for the Aged? Mr. Plummer: I am not speaking to any. I am just saying that we must understand that there is a total...you see, the one thing that this Commission has never gone into, is what is the total budgets of these programs? Let me tell you, if I were a program right now sitting be- fore this Commission, I could rewrite that program where J. L. Plummer could not say "no", because I take the entire City money and devote it 99% to food, and the other portions of my money I devote to personnel, to whatever else, and to whatever else. You understand what I am saying? But, I think when you look at programs... Dena, what page is that on, where it shows their total allocation? There was one page dedicated to that in here. Mr. Gary: It is on each program individually. Mr. Plummer: No, it wasn't. There was a page devoted just to... Ms. Spillman: 127. Mr. Plummer: 127. Okay, you go down these programs. Let me just start at the top - Allapattah Elderly Project. The program is $27,000. That is what they are asking us for, okay? But, I think we have to look at the total agency budget, and that is $292,000. Is that total agency part of ours as part of their total? Ms. Spillman: Community Development. Mr. Plummer: Okay, but what I am trying to say to you is. Useful Aged - they are only asking for $4,000. $4,000, but their total budget is $99,000. Coconut Grove Family Clincs - something very dear to my heart for Father Gibson. They are only asking us for $34,000, but their total allocation is over $500,000. The Douglas Gardens Center - that is a wrong figure, that figure has been corrected. That is not a correct figure - that is their total budget... Mr. Gary: $14,000,000. Mr. Plummer: Well, but it is not from governmental funding. It is a much less figure. You cannot charge against Douglas, because I went up there and I went through their budget. What they derived from the Id 43 AN 51984 4 - private sector is not a fair criteria. Most of these agencies that are here don't get anything from private sector. Ms. Spillman: Commissioner, everybody who gets private money, it is reflected in these figures. Mr. Plummer: They don't get it, that is the problem! Ms. Spillman: Well, some of them do. Mr. Plummer: But, look, what I am saying is - HACAD, they do great work. They are asking us for $141,000, but they are getting over $1,000,000 in total budget. I am not saying they are not entitled to it. I am not saying that the money isn't well spent, but I am saying from this Commission they are asking for that amount of money. JESCA, they are only asking us for - what figure are they asking? Ms. Spillman: $39,000. Mr. Plummer: $39,000, yet their total budget is over $5,000,000. Now, I think to be fair, you have got to equate how this City allocation and the City request relates to their total budget, and you can go right on down the line - I don't have a magic wand. I can't rob a bank. Mayor Ferre: And there is something else that you have not done, and you need to address here - if you want to play the role of Solomon... Mr. Plummer: I am not sir. I am asking. No one else has made a motion. Mayor Ferre: Okay, if you are playing the role of Solomon, then I need to ask you what are you doing about the petition of these new programs, such as Legal Services, which Mr. Smith is here on, such as that South- west Food Program, such as Reverend... yes, okay... Mr. Plummer: Oh, well, Mr. Mayor, that is easy for me to answer, sir. All you have to do, sir, is apply my criteria. My criteria is feed the hungry, first. You take care of the sick second, and then any monies left over, which I don't think there will be, but if there are, then we will address legal problems, and then we will address other problems. That is easy to answer, sir. Mr. Perez: I think that the third priority was the young, not legal. Mayor Ferre: All right, now, as I understand... Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I withdraw my motion, sir. Mayor Ferre: Now, wait, wait. Mr. Plummer: No, withdraw it. I only made a motion because we were deadlocked. Mayor Ferre: Now, are there any other motions that anybody wants to make before we get on to the public hearing portion? Are we ready to go? Mr. Plummer: What is your motion? Mayor Ferre: Well, I am ready to listen. Mr. Plummer: I will listen. I don't know what we are listening to, but I will listen. Mayor Ferre: I think this is a big running around in a circle. All right, we are going to take a 10 minute break and see if we can figure out what the hell we are doing. THEREUPON, THE CITY COMMISSION WENT INTO A BRIEF RECESS AT 1:15 P.M., reconvening at 2:00 P.M. with all members of the Commission found to be present except for: Commissioner Carollo. Id 44 JAN 519E Mayor Ferre: The Commission is back in session. Reverend, I understand you want to make a statement which I will recognize you for that purpose right now. Go right ahead. All right, let's give the Reverend our at- tention. Your name and address. Rev. Stan Matthews: Mr. Mayor, I am the Reverend Stan Matthews with Casa Integra, the Biscayne-Wynwood area, and we have a proposal before the Commission labeled the Claude Pepper Shelter. It is my understanding that there are other funds coming under HUD specifically designated for new shelters and we would like to come back to you with a new applica- tion at time and withdraw our application at the present time for F.R.S. and thank you very much. Mayor Ferre: I want to thank you very much, Reverend, for helping making... Rev. Matthews: And we wish you well, you have a tough decision here today. Mayor Ferre: I know that. Is there anybody else who wants... Mr. Plummer: Reverend, may I just - a short note. I want to tell you that when you come back, I will remember very well what you did today, because I said to you in the beginning - what you are proposing and what you gave to me is a proposal in the beginning that we put up the seed money to help you get Federal money is what I think we should be all about, and I would hope there would be more programs such as that. Mayor Ferre: Thank you, Reverend, is there anybody else that wishes to follow that example and at least play it smart. Ms. Alicia Baro: Yes, I do. My name is Alicia Baro, and I live at 271 N. W. 64th Avenue. I have a program for food. It is a food and shelter program and all of you have copies of it right there, because we want to provide emergency food and shelter and crisis intervention counseling for the homeless and the hungry, etc. Now, I think that there will be - perhaps we Can present this to you at another meeting with perhaps additional funds will be available- but I would like you please to read this carefully. It is very much needed and it is not that much money that we are requesting. Thank you. Mayor Ferre: Thank you very much. Is there anybody else who wishes to at this time voluntarily withdraw. Mr. Luis Diaz: My name is Luis Diaz, 1850 S. W. Sth Street, Suite 402. I am here to discuss the program that we presented. It was a good program that was not recommended because of lack of funds. I understand... Mayor Ferre: Which program is that, Luis? Mr. Diaz: The Youth Council - Youth Coop. I understand that you have so many problems with the funds, and I would like to withdraw with only one concern in my mind. You state there that you don't want any more new programs. I don't withdraw if you don't allow new programs in the future, so if you will clarify that for me, I would like to withdraw now. If not, I would like to discuss the matter more deeply. Mr. Plummer: In all fairness, you have got to stay. We have already allowed new programs. Mayor Ferre: See, what has happened, Luis, is this. Plummer, I think it was Plummer, in one of his rare moments of wisdom, about three or four years ago, made a motion, when we were in one of these very same sessions that we were just going to re -fund what we had previously funded and no new programs would be accepted, and the Commission, after having gone through one of these blood -lettings just like this, decided that Plummer perhaps wasn't as crazy,as he seems and we all went along and voted with him happily. okay? And that happy situation has lasted for about three years. How long has it lasted, Dena? No new programs, three - four years? - 45 JAN 51984 ld 0 01* Ms. Spillman: (INAUDIBLE) ...... lasted six months. Mr. Plummer: Yes, you are right. Mayor Ferre: No, it lasted a couple of years at least. Mr. Gary: (Inaudible) Mayor Ferre: Oh, don't tell me. I know for a fact that for three years we had absolutely no ... we would tell everybody, no new programs. Ms. Spillman: We had Centro Caribeno last year - ASPIRA. Mr. Diaz: Yes, three, four key agencies received funds. This is a new program this year. My concern is, that if that is going to happen in the future, I will Start fighting for my program, because I think this is needed in the Little Havana area and they don't have that type of services, and also that we are spending money increasing the Police Department to avoid crime in the Little Havana area - all areas, and we are talking about 14 or 21 youths that you care first - those particular individuals so that you can avoid later dealing with crimes on - the rating of drug powers as you will know, are increasing tremendously. Mayor Ferre: Commissioner Plummer has made a statement to you and I think he is giving you some proper advice and that is we have already adopted three new programs, so there is no guarantee that there won't be new programs, so you had better stick around, then. Anybody else who wants to withdraw? All right now, let's sum this up. The last time out, Plummer made a motion, Dawkins seconded it, that we go to a process of funding based on a percentage basis and let the Administration dis- tribute that based on a formula which I don't think was quite defined, wasn't it? Mr. Plummer: That motion was withdrawn, so... Mayor Ferre: Then subsequent to that, after a lot of discussion, that was withdrawn and we broke up and now we are back. Now, unless somebody has a specific motion, either in general terms on a formula, or to start going through this process one by one, then I am going to permit those that are here that wish to speak to speak. Now, please stop me. Any- body want to play Solomon around here? Mr. Plummer: Let's admit something we don't want to - whatever we do is wrong. Now, let's accept that as a premise, okay? Somebody has got to be told "no". Now, Mr. Mayor, I will work with you on a percentage basis. I will work with you on an individual basis. I will work with you any way you want. The bottom line is still $515,000. Now, let me tell you the thing, when you talk about across the Board, as you said before, I think the pitfall there could reduce some programs like 10%, and a program can't exist. I think that has got to be understood. I think the other aspect of that is that you have got to look at a total budget program. Is in fact the City a supplemental to their total funding? Predicated on what I see here in some cases, the City's allocation, if they got everything that they asked for, the City is only like 10% of their total budget, so I don't think it would hurt their program. Now, you know, I am not trying to set the policy. I will work with whatever policy this Commission wants. Mayor Ferre: We do have to set the policy - that is exactly what this Commission is charged with and I think we have got to do that. Now, I am willing, at this point, to recognize any of you to make any kind of motions you want to, either in principle, or specifically. Absent that, then I am going to let everybody have a crack at having their three minutes. Ready? All right, Mr. Smith, you are first. Mr. H. T. Smith: H. T. Smith, 1-017 N. W. 9th Court. First of all, let me make the necessary disclaimers. I have no affiliation with any of the programs here, but I am here today speaking on behalf of Legal Services Corporation, because I think it is important, with the limited resources that you have, realizing that you have to tell some people "no", and realizing that the ones that you tell "yes", you are not going Id 10 JAN 51984 0 0 to be able to give them the money that they really need, that the money goes as far as the money can go. Now, two things that have been said by the Mayor I think they are important for me to make the point as to why you should fund Legal Services. There are three things that are priorities, and nobody that is a reasonable person can argue with those priorities - food, medical attention, or housing, or whatever that was, and children in need, but there are certain things that are concurrent with those services being rendered. You can't give elderly people food, if you can't transport them to where the food is being provided, agreed. Necessarily, you can't provide for food and those other items unless people have the legal support and assistance they need to pursue the rights that they have. For instance, next year, you might not have any revenue sharing money, but if you provide for Legal Services Corpor- ation, people who qualify for food stamps, because from assistance from Legal Services, may have those for the duration of the periods they need it in excess of a year. If you provide the money for Legal Services, individuals who have been denied the right to the Social Security bene- fits and need those benefits in their elderly age and have earned them may have those for the next 10 or 15 years, and all of the other con- current items that you have given - you can't function without lawyers. Nobody that comes before this Commission with anything of substance can function without a lawyer, and poor people sure can't. If anybody needs a lawyer, it is the poor. They can't afford my services - I am expensive. But, the least I can do in terms of doing the other pro bono activities that I do is to come to you on behalf of good programs like Legal Ser- vices in the Wynwood area, where there is no office - those people are locked in, they can't get out, and in Overtown, they are locked in. They are not going up on 79th Street, so if you can provide any money for Legal Services Program, you know that you have done two things. One, you have give to a program that you don't have to worry about any problems about any problems in the State Attorney's office, because it is going to be monitored properly, and two, you have done more in terms of a long range of things. Feed a person today, and he you teach a person how to feed himself, and he can feed himself for his life. If you had a fish, some fish, or a fishing pole, I would tell you to give the people the fishing pole, because once they eat the fish, what are you going to do tomorrow? So, you give the people the fishing pole or legal support that they need, and then you will have done more than you could ever do, if you gave all of them the $1,000,000. Please consider Legal Ser- vices for that reason. Mayor Ferre: Thank you very much. Reverend Stan Matthews has withdrawn, PAGE - Mr. Will Baskins. Mr. Will Baskins: Will Baskins, with PAGE, 1421 N. W. 50th Street. Mr. Plummer: Which organization? Mr. Baskins: PAGE. Mayor Ferre: Performing Arts Guild Ensemble, asking for $15,000 to serve 600 kids. Here five times, turned down every time - please help. Go ahead. Mr. Baskins: Yes, I realize the situation that everybody is in here today, and we of all people, we don't want to take anything away from anybody else. I have given you, the Honorable Mayor, all of the other Commissioners copy of our proposal and other information. I hope you have read it so you know more about what is our program is about. We are here just to stay alive. We aren't asking for money for every year to support our program, but basically seed money so that we can stay alive. We have been around since 1979, teaching kids art, music, dance, drama. I know we are not a social service program. I had a few other people here - Mr. Otts Pitts, Ms. Range and a gentlemen from the Legal Service Department that wanted to tell you what was happening with the young kids and the Juvenile Justice System. We take these kids out of the street and we try to give them a place in the community by teaching them different programs, and art and music and dance and drama and whatever. We found that the State paid $100,000 a year for five kids that have to go through the Juvenile Justice System, and if we could take these kids and teach them something other than staying on the streets, 1d 91 JAN. 51984 0 if I think that we have accomplished something here. I guess you all noticed I am a little nervous. I am not used to speaking in front of people like this, but my whole thing here today is just to ask you to try to support these kids. There is nobody else but the kids. We aren't asking for continual support, or anything but just to stay alive. We are only asking for $15,000 as seed money. We won't be back to anything else. If we aren't funded here today, we will have to close our doors. We have got 150 kids that have called in in the last two months that want to come into this program, and the reason we get so many kids is because we don't charge a fee. Everything is free to the community and we open our doors to anybody, Black, White, Latin, Jewish. We even have some little German kids in the program. We have had kids that have come through this program that are working now at professional jobs, and the only thing I can say is that it is a very good program, if you read the proposal that I is before you, I am sure you will understand. You can see what it is all about. Well, like I said, we have done a lot of things. I have a certificate that you, yourself, Mayor Ferre has given us - a certificate of appreciation for performing for the City. Mayor Ferre: I want to just tell you that your three minutes are up, but I have gotten all kinds of phone calls about you, and I want you to know that you have a strong advocate in my office - I don't know what Carol Ann Taylor is, but she has been pestering me on this since the moment I hit Miami and got off the plane - I think one of the first things she told me is that I have to help you. Oh, here she is right back there, so you have strong friends and advocates and I know Mrs. Range and Otis Pitts and there are many people in the community, and I want to tell you that I have read both the Herald and the News story as to what you do and what you do with so little is unbelievable, so I wish to God we could help you but I have got to in all honesty tell you that the needs around here are so vast, that I frankly do not perceive that any new programs are going to be funded, other than those that are involved with food. That is just one man's opinion. Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Baksius, I am taware of what you are doing, because you live the next block from me. I see you daily attempting to meet the needs of the individuals, but I have constantly told you that I couldn't help you, for we didn't have the money, but you are one of the few kinds of programs that I tell the Miami Citizens Against Crime and all of the other people who come down here yelling and screaming for more policemen, that this is the kind of thing that we should be into. Now, the State of Florida said, when they allocated the one cent sales tax that a part of that money should have been spent in preventive, and not police work. So, I will take it upon myself, I am not going to ask you to go begging, and you know, lose your manhood no more. I will get with Mike Friedman in the State, and somewhere see if we can't in some kind of a way, milk $15,000 out of that money that is supposed to be coming in to here for prevention of crime, and give it to a program that is preventive and not wait until people get in the damn jail, and talking about helping them! I will see what I can do. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Manager, I want to not only echo my colleague's state- ment, but if there is any - along the road, in the next 10 months left of this fiscal year, if there is $15,000 extra that becomes available, I want to say that I for one am for giving these people a priority in the future. That is one man's opinion on the record. Mr. Baskins: Thank you very much. Mayor Ferre: Youth Coop - Genaro Perez. Mr. Genaro Perez: My name is Genaro Perez, 120 S. W. 17th Court. I work for the Youth Coop.' I do agree 100% with Commissioner Dawkins what he has said.- "I wish we would prevent crime". Always! It is what we are doing in my agency. Now, let me ask a question of Dena Spillman. Dena - Mayor Ferre: Dena Spillman. Id 4$ AN o OF Mr. Genaro Perez: I do believe I found some additional money here. Ms. Spillman: Good! Mr. Genaro Perez: Okay, the Commission that you should use one -twelfth of the- fufidg-for each agency, ,right? Every month? Ms. Spillman: Yes, sir. Mr. Genaro Perez: Now, I found out that free meal programs, or projects were approved by the Commission. One is Centro Mater, that has received $3,334 for from $20,000, right? Ms. Spillman: Sir, could you make your point and I will tell you if we agree on the bottom line? Mr. Genaro Perez: Okay, I found out that Martin Technical College has received the full amount, $175,000. Then I found additional money. Ms. Spillman: No, sir it has been allocated to Martin Technical College. Mr. Genaro Perez: Well, the same way was allocated to Centro Mater, right? Ms. Spillman: No, that is not correct. There is no additonal money. I mean I understand what you are saying, but there is no additional money. Martin Technical College, the money has been reserved for them. Mr. Perez: You mean the full amount, $175,000? Ms. Spillman: The full amount. Centro Mater, the money has been re- served for them, the full amount, just the amount we have advanced them already. Mr. Perez: I don't understand. Mayor Ferre: The difference is that the.... Ms. Spillman: Because that is what the City Commission did. Mayor Ferre: .... Commission voted that way. You may have been here when it occured, as you remember, Commissioner Barbara Carey got up and made a statement into the record that there is no way that she could fund her program on a promise and either she was funded or wasn't funded, and this Commission then took a position and voted unanimously to fund the program. Mr. Perez: 'tnat is an exception, then. Mayor Ferre: That is gone. That money is gone, that is spent. Mr. Perez: Well, another thing, Mayor. I found out the other day in the newspaper that the City is going to spend over $3,000,000 to satisfy 1,100 policemen in salary increases. There are volunteers like Mr. Blanco, who is serving about 5,000 people. He is requesting an addi- tional $30,000, and he has problems. We are serving a lot of young people to prevent the police from taking them to jail. We are asking $20,000, and we have problems. Now, I don't understand this lady. We have a responsibility with the social program. It is our responsibility, because they are citizens of the City of Miami. I know that the Federal government is turning their backs to our problems, but we should keep fighting and try to help those people to prevent them from going to jail, or prevent them from dying hungry. It is a shame for the United States of America that this happens, especially my city, Miami I guess when you took the oath, you took authority to take control of this City.dy the same token, you have responsibility to the citizens of Miami. Mayor Ferre: My answer to you is, that I am totally opposed to the President of the United States, and the Congress funding the B-1 bomber and the M-X missle, and if they hadn't done that, we would have twenty- four billion dollars which would be more than sufficient to take care of all these programs that are now not being funded nationally, okay? But right now, our problem is that those social programs have been cut, Id 49 JAN 51984 0 OF and this City of Miami is not going to be able - we have a commitment with the Police Department, and there is nothing we can do about that! Mr. Genaro Perez: I respect the Police Department, I sure believe they should get a decent salary. Mayor Ferre: And we are not going to cut down the Police Department to satisfy programs. The Police Department is a responsibility of the City of Miami. He is elected, and I am elected and he is elected and sworn to office and the Police Department is part of what we swear to uphold. I did not swear, and nobody on this Commission swore to uphold any social programs, because that is not part of our Charter. That is not part of our responsibility. Now, if we can, we will. Right now, you know, what can I tell you? We have got $500,000 left, and there is $2,000,000 worth of requests on the table. Mr. Genaro Perez: Yes, but my point is this, Mayor, I am sorry. Mayor Ferre: You have a good point. I agree with you, I wish I could give you the money. Mr. Genaro Perez: I mean, if we reduce the problem, you know, with social prcgcams,-then we don't need too many policemen. Mayor Ferre: I agree, I agree. Mr. Perez: We are spending millions and millions of dollars fighting crime, when we can, with less money, prevent the crime, is what I am trying to point out. Mayor Ferre: I agree with that philosophy completely. I wish we could implement it. Mr. Perez: Thank you very much. Mayor Ferre: All right, the next speaker is Rosario Kennedy - Switch- board.. The next speaker - you don't look like Rosario Kennedy to me, and I don't think Dave would be very... Mr. George McKinney: I am not Rosario Kennedy - my name is George Mc- Kinney. I live at 3183 Matilda Street. Rosario had to leave, and therefore we will not be making a presentation at this time. Thank you. Mayor Ferre: The next one is Marisela Latimer, Executive Director of ASPIRA of Florida, and I would like to ask Ms. Latimer, if she would also ... because there are a lot of other people here, and out of fair- ness to other groups here, you know - I notice that ASPIRA has four speakers and I think we need to kind of decide - I don't mind, let's say, giving you two minutes and somebody else two minutes and maybe giving you more than three, but we can't give everybody three minutes. Ms. Marisela Latimer: We are going to have only two persons. The first one is Maria Santiago Merado. She is the National Chairperson of ASPIRA of America and the second one is Arturo Luis Martinez, he is the Chairperson of ASPIRA Florida. Ms. Santiago-Merado: I am sure that you will be pleased to hear that it will even be shorter than that, given Dr. Martinez, due to a bad cold, has a terrible case of laryngitis, so I will be the only one addressing you. First, I wish to thank you and the Commission for the possibility of addressing you today regarding ASPIRA of Florida. I don't know how many persons here are present realize that ASPIRA of Florida is a member of an association of ASPIRA agencies that are national, and to that note is that I have come from New Jersey as the Chair of that national board to address you in this urgent situation - the survival of ASPIRA of Florida. As a member of the Association, I want you to realize one thing, that ASPIRA of Florida has been able to have quite an impact here in Florida and in Miami specifically, but also nationally, as a member of that coalition. As a member of a staff and a body of policy makers that have worked nationally on many levels, including the areas ld JAN 51984 OF OF that you so fully define as your priorities in Washington and at many State legislative levels. I want to ask one thing of you which is one to equip me to help ASPIRA of Florida, Number one, survive and grow. I commit myself, and I do so after a resolution of the Board of Directors of ASPIRA of America, to assist Florida at three levels. Number one was money. I commit myself this year to focus on a development plan that will take supplement whatever investment you make, okay to the maximum of our potential of develment, and we have some well prepared people to do that, and some good networks to do that. Number two, I commit myself to technical development and assistance in the development of the Staff here in Florida. We will provide your Staff with maximum staff training delivered directly by our staff and whatever other resources we can muster and outside of the other states where we have associations. The third thing I commit myself to, okay, is to assist specifically here in the area of Miami - in the area of program development. One of the problems that you have witnessed here is that when you have an organiza- tion that is as young as ASPIRA of Florida is, that has tried a number of things, and not everything has worked - we have learned a lot from that two year experience. Those of us from outside of Florida could not come in with a package program and impose it upon you. We now have insight as to what your needs are. We have insight as to what your population truly wants and needs. We are now able to match whatever resources we have or to muster to address them. We implore you to recognize the existing capability and the potential of your involvement in making this a very successful operation. Thank you, very much. Mayor Ferre: Ms. Merado, let me ask you just for the record so I under- stand. Your petition is for how much money? Ms. Santiago-Merado: Our petition, as it stands right now... Mayor Ferre: What is left of the year yet. Ms. Santiago-Merado: What left of the year is $50,198 as per the information I received. Mayor Ferre: Are you telling me that your national board is going to match that? Ms. Santiago-Merado: I did not say dollar for dollar. I can tell you right now that I already have activites in place and on February 1, we will have a check in the hands of ASPIRA of Florida of at least $6,000, and that is just beginning the fiscal year. I commit my office in New York to working in a development plan in this City and also in national fund raising activities where ASPIRA of Florida being an equal member of that group will receive its equal share of whatever we make nationally. That is all I can do. Mayor Ferre: Okay, just for the record, so that we understand... Ms. Santiago-Merado: Yes, I appreciate the clarification. Mayor Ferre: Please, just for the record, so I want to put this into the record, the Coca Cola Corporation... Ms. Santiago-Merado: I have their report here. Mayor Ferre: Will you let me finish, please? The Coca Cola Corpora- tion has chosen ASPIRA as -the Number one Hispanic National Program. I just want to put this into the record that these are people that are recognized by their peers as being the outstanding Hispanic program in the United States. Ms. Santiago-Merado: I thank you. I didn't want to toot our own horn, but thank you very much. Mr. Plummer: Hell, they even chose Luis Sabines! Mayor Ferre: Over me, at that! (LAUGHTER) ld 51 JAN 51984 f OF Mayor Ferre: The next speaker is Octavio Blanco. ACTION. Mr. Blanco? Mr. Octavio Blanco: Octavio Blanco. ACTION Community Center, 8115 s. W. 16th Street. Mayor and Commissioners - like every year, I have to come down here to try and ask you people for more money. You see our total budget, what it is today. What we are asking down here is less than 4%, an increase. Mayor Ferre: Less than 4%? How can $30,000 out of $90,000 be 4%? Mr. Blanco: Total budget, I said, Mr. Mayor. Mayor Ferre: Oh, total budget. Mr. Blanco: Remember that this budget is Federal revenues only to help part of the program. Mr. Plummer: How much percent did you say? Mr. Blanco: Close to 4k%. Mr. Plummer: Now, your request from the City, based on your total budget is exactly 15.2%. Mr. Blanco: 15.2%. Mr. Plummer: According to our figures, your City allocation is $65,970. Mr. Blanco: From the Federal Revenue. I said from the total budget. Mr. Plummer: Oh, I am sorry. You know, the total budget that you have, according to our figures, is $417,453 - $65,000 of that would be 15.2%. Mr. Blanco: I said the amount - the $30,000 that I actually requested. Mr. Plummer: You mean up and above. Mr. Blanco: Up and above. Mr. Plummer: Okay. Ms. Spillman: It is on Page 69, the total budget. Mayor Ferre: All right, are we ready to continue? Mr. Blanco: As you are aware, you were awake the other day like I said before at 11:00 o'clock for a lady that she needs transportation and I bring you the proof, that is just the month before - that lady received 44 services from our agency. People are calling us and they want ser- vices. When Allapattah needs more money for food, and you allocate that money to Allapattah, people have to go there and then Urra is calling me, so I need more transportation. The same thing happened with the Southwest Services that you are not having any money for yet, but it is ACTION Community Center that is giving service to those people who live in the City of Miami limits. Everybody - because we are the only transportation services within the City of Miami limits and we have to serve everybody on the first come, first serve, to get service. So, when I come down here, believe me, I get red in my face, because it looks like sometimes we are asking this money for us. Really, when I see like Mr. Dawkins was saying, that 40% was for food and 60% was for salary, you people have to realize that some of this program, like you personally, will say later that anybody can change the budget and make a 99% or 100% of this money in food service. This money that we get from Federal Revenue, we are using just to supplement this program. Most of the program is that we are here. I don't want it to happen like it happened before on June. This Commission allocated to ACTION Community Center $10,000. Then we find out, believe me, that we don't get the money from Community Development money. It was allocated by Federal Revenue Sharing. Now, when we asked the Staff members for more money, they say "You have your money already". Believe, I don't care, I believe the Mayor was wrong when he said that we better give this program to United Way. I think it is better to give it to anybody else. 52 JAN 51984 ld c f People are coming down here so many times and asking like we are trying, to you people to substantiate our salary. Let me tell you, most of the people who are working on the agency can go to any other place and work and make a better living. because right now at this moment, I don't even know what is the budget of Action Community Center. Thank you. Mayor Ferre: Nancy Ungaro, United Family - Children's Services. You waive your rights? Elaine Silvan... Mr. Plummer: The lady that waived your rights, is that a new program? (INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENTS) Mr. Plummer: What is your program, excuse me? Mayor Ferre: United Family - Children's Services. Mr. Plummer: That is not presently being funded? (INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENTS) Mr. Plummer: Excuse me? By the City? Well, now, I have it listed here as...it is a new project, right? Mayor Ferre: Is it being funded or is it a new project? Mr. Plummer: Or is it both? Is it a new project? Ms. Spillman: It is currently funded by Community Devleopment, not FRS. Mayor Ferre: C.D.? It is presently being... Ms. Spillman: Funded by Community Development. You had tentatively approved that under FRS and they got an advance. Mayor Ferre: Was that the $20,000? Mr. Plummer: $22,820. Well, let me make a suggestion to you so that you can't scream foul later. Ms. Spillman: You have already given this your stamp of approval. Mr. Plummer: Well, you know, those stamps can be eradicated. Might I suggest to you that what you are looking at as well as all programs, is a 26% cut. I think you had better speak. Cut across the board, Mr. Mayor, evenly and proportionately to every program represents at 26% cut. Ms. Nancy Ungaro: My name is Nancy Ungaro from United Family and Child- ren's Services located at 2190 N. W. 7th Street. I am Project Director of Operation Mainstream, which is a counseling program for the elderly in the core of downtown Miami. I work out of Gesu Center, Methodist Center, the downtown hotels and on the street when it is necessary. At the present time, I am the only one working in the program. We had CETA funds prior to this, which, over the years, was list when CETA went out of business. Last year we served 212 individuals, mental health counseling and a lot of monitoring of the medical coun- seling. 50% of my clients are between the ages of 80 and 96... Most of them last in the family line and have no support system other than at this moment, myself and the Center. I would very much appreciate get- ting enough bo that we can hire another worker and begin to come up to covering the people that are available. (INAUDIBLE COMMENTS - OFF MICROPHONE) Ms. Ungaro: Okay, I am confused right now. Mr. Dawkins: Don't feel bad. Mr. Plummer: Excuse me. You are from United Family and Children's Service? ld 53 AN 5 Q84 0 P Ms. Ungaro: Operation Mainstream, out of Gesu , The Methodist Center, Gesu Center in the downtown hotels. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, the project that I spoke to is now still covered by the First United Methodist Church. Did you speak to me? Ms. Ungaro: No, sir. Mayor Ferre: How does this program get funded? Ms. Spillman: It was recommended by the Commission. Mayor Ferre: Who on the Commission? Ms. Spillman: Commissioner Plummer. Mr. Plummer: I recommended it? Ms. Spillman: Yes, sir. Mr. Plummer: And they didn't even speak to me? Ms. Ungaro: I believe that Sister Moura and Mr. Sellar and... Mr. Plummer: No. The only one that spoke to me, that Sister Moura spoke me about is funded, and that is the First United Methodist Church. Ms. Ungaro: No, sir. It is two separate things. I served the social services to First United Methodist Church. I do all the coun- seling to Gesu Church. Mayor Ferre: The first rule of thumb is you have got to keep counting your own turkeys. Mr. Plummer: It is not a turkey for me, Mr. Mayor. Ms. Ungaro: Our agency project supplies the counseling for Gesu Senior Center and First Methodist Senior Center. Mr. Plummer: All right, whether it is as the Mayor says, my fowl - turkey, I don't like, fowl or not. You have got to stand on your program. Your program either is going to provide a service which comes under whatever guidelines are furnished by this Commission, or it doesn't. I would hope that all the turkeys of this Commission flew out on Thanksgiving. Ms. Ungaro: But we had been one of the few programs that were recom- mended for funding in the proposal. Mayor Ferre: By who? Ms. Ungaro: By the... Mayor Ferre: Staff? Ms. Ungaro: Staff. Mayor Ferre: Dena, Staff recommended this be funded? Ms. Spillman: Not the additional funds. Mr. Plummer: What is the additional funds? Ms. Ungaro: What additional funds? Ms. Spillman: I'm sorry. I am wrong, we did. Yes, we did, I take it back. We recommended it. Commissioner Plummer voted to fund it. Mayor Ferre: All right, in other words, you did recommend it for funding. All right, is there anything else you want to add? JA N 5 1984 Id U 0. Ms. Ungaro: No, I just want the confusion cleared up that we were one that was recommended. Mayor Ferre: There is no way to clear up confusion in this Commission, Ma'am. Not that I know of! All right, thank you, Ma'am. The next speaker is Elaine Silvan. Ms. Elaine Silvan: My name is Elaine Silvan, 130 N. E. 54 Place, Haitian Refugee Center Day Care. I am here one more time, maybe the last time, to ask you to consider the proposal for the Daycare Center. The community really needs that Daycare Center. Parents need to go to work. Parents need to go to school. Children need to be somewhere where they can have proper supervision, proper nutrition. I am sure each one of you...I have a sent a packet - a support letter to show you how all the people feel that the community needs that type of ser- vice. People who asked who have been working in the community, insti- tution was already established in the community. They know the problems of the community, therefore I am asking you one more time to consider this proposal for the daycare. Let's not wait for seven, ten years in order to solve serious problems. Let's see if we can solve them now, and maybe in seven, ten years, we will have less problems in our hands. Mayor Ferre: All right, thank you. The next speaker is Luis Diaz. You have already been covered. Mr. Luis Diaz: I am going to take 30 seconds. Mayor Ferre: Okay. Mr. Diaz: My name is Luis Diaz. What I would like to see is the same power that was invested and approved for Martin Technical College, the full amount, to consider our project. There is a great need for it in Little Havana, and consider that for funding. Thank you Mayor Ferre: All right, the next speaker is Christina Penedo, South- west Social Services. Ms. Christina Penedo: My name is Christina Penedo, I represent South- west Social Services program, 7367 S. W. 8th Street. I have come to request the Commission's consideration of our request for F.R.S. funds. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Commissioner Plummer for having mentioned the area of Flagami as one of the forgotten neighbor- hoods in the City of Miami. Our particular area is in desperate need of more facilities that provide additional services to the elderly. Flagami, as stated in a recent needs assessment by the area Agency on Aging has a population of 30,567 persons age 60 and over. 75% of them are minorities and 18% of them are below poverty level. This leaves 5,500 persons living below poverty level. The only other program providing similar services in the area is St. Dominic's Gar- den, as compared to the rest of the City of Miami, two programs to cover the whole area of Flagami, I feel is very little. On December 8th meeting, the Mayor and the City Commissioners expressed that fund- ing priorities should be given to programs that feed the hungry. In a recent statement I read this morning on the neighbors, Ms. Spillman reported as follows: "Clearly, the first priority has been to fund food related projects." The main purpose of our program is to provide nutritionally balanced meals to elderly persons who do not have the benefit of living in housing facilities and by living on a fixed income hardly have any money left after paying for their living expenses. After serving this area for the past four years, we have found an alarming num- ber of elderly in poor health and with serious emotional problems, which we feel are caused and compounded due to malnutrition and lack of ade- quate income. By optaining funds from the City of Miami, we will be able to match this money with Title III money for congregate meals and instead of providing the amount of meals we are providing right now, we will be able to double pr triple the amount of food. Thank you. Mayor Ferre: All right, this concludes all of the speakers that I ... oh, I am sorry, Sister. Beg your pardon, I stand corrected. Sister Katherine Lauler. Sister Katherine Lauler: Sister Katherine Lauler from the Haitian Catholic Center. As you were talking about the Watson Island, ld hIN JAN 51984 0 I was reminded that if the people in the northern part of the State, or the northern counties are going to get to Watson Island, they will have to pass through the area that we presently call Little Haiti. Now, we have been operating there for four years. We have not asked the City for money for food and clothing because we provided that. We have also made arrangements to provide medical service. We have not asked the City of Miami to help us with that, but we are asking you to help us with making the residents of that community self-sufficient. We are not able to do that on our own. What we are able to do is offer to the City of Miami a facility located in the heart of Little Haiti. We can offer you administration. We can offer you a staff for our good, excellent program for the residents there, but you must help us to find employment for the citizens of that area. You must help us to prepare them for employment. You must help us to follow through on their employment. For that, we need the cooperation of the City. If you do this, the citizens who come to Watson Island will want to pass through Little Haiti as a productive and attractive neighborhood. Otherwise, ten years from now the City Commissioners will be planning how to build an expressway from the northern counties to Watson Island, bypassing Little Haiti. Mayor Ferre: All right, thank you. Are there any other public speakers at this time at this public hearing, getting revenue sharing? All rignt, is there a motion therefore that the public portion of this hearing be closed. It has been moved and seconded. Further discussion? THEREUPON, on motion duly made by Commissioner Plummer and seconded by Commissioner Dawkins that Public Hearing portion of meeting be closed - said motion was adopted by the fol- lowing vote: AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner J. L. Plummer Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo Vice -Mayor Demetrio Perez, Jr. Mayor Ferre: All right now, Members of the Commission, we have now heard once again, with very little new information, from a lot of the different groups that are, in my opinion, tragically requesting for monies when we are not going to be able satisfy basic needs of people here. Now, we can do this one of several ways. We can one, pass a resolution backing the Management's - Administration's position; two, we can a resolution outlining the policy of the City of Miami in general terms and not getting into specifics, or three, we can get into the specifics one by one. Tell me which one you want to do. Mr. Plummer: We will listen to the wisdom of Solomon. Mayor Ferre: Well, I will tell you, as far as I am concerned, I don't see how we can possibly at this stage of the game avoid going and doing this on an individual basis. We have done that already. Mr. Plummer: Let's go. Mayor Ferre: We have done this right now! We have done this in the past, and... (INAUDIBLE BACKGROUND COMMENTS) Mayor Ferre: That is exactly what we did with Martin Technical Col- lege. That what we did with Centro Hater. That is what we did with this other group here. I don't see how we can avoid it, I mean... Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Manager, get you a calculator. Get a calculator and when we get to $517,000, tell them that is it! Mr. Plummer: Well, let me tell you. What we've got to do is cut out a little over 26%. Id 56 JAN 51984 Ms. Spillman: Commissioner, can I correct you on that? There are some technicalities in here that perhaps aren't clear. The figure is actually about 22%. Mr. Plummer: 26%. Ms. Spillman: Based on last year's... Mayor Ferre: Okay, that is where we are. Mr. Plummer: I might lie - my calculator doesn't. Mr. Dawkins: When we get to $515,000, that is it. Mayor Ferre: We will start off at the top. Mr. Plummer: Well, the bottom line is we have got eliminate what...? $231,000, right? Mr. Gary: No, more than that. You have got to add $60,000 to that, J. L. Mr. Plummer: Oh, I am sorry, you are right. Mayor Ferre: I think what we do► is we start at the top and go right down the line. Mr. Dawkins: (INAUDIBLE)... when we get to $517,000, that is it. Mr. Plummer: No, no. Mr. Dawkins: (INAUDIBLE, OFF MICROPHONE) Mr. Plummer: No, we are not. Mr. Plummer: Then it is just as fair to start at the bottom and work up. Mr. Dawkins: Well, you can start in the middle and take one up and one down, I don't care how you do it. When we get to $517,000, that is it. Mr. Plummer: That is not a good priority. Mr. Dawkins: All I am saying to you is, like you say, we are damned if we do and we are damned if we don't. Mayor Ferre: Well, we are anyway. Mr. Dawkins: Now, somebody out here is going to say, biller, you went against mel And I can't help it! Mayor Ferre: Well, it is going to happen, and they are going to say that to me! Mr. Dawkins: All right, I will tell you what. I am going to $515,000, okay? When we get to $515,000, I am leaving. Now, you guys can sit here and juggle or do anything you want. Mayor Ferre: All right. I will tell you, you want to start the ball rolling? Mr. Plummer: Go ahead. Mayor Ferre: All right, Action Community Center - they are asking for an additional $21,000, is that right? 57 ld JA N 51984 OFOF Ms. Spillman: What page are you on? Mr. Gary: What page are you on? Mayor Ferre: On the first page - Page 6. Ms. Spillman: Well, they are asking for $30,000. Mayor Ferre: I see actual allocation as per Commission - additional allocation to fund $44,B12. Mr. Gary: No, they are asking for $95,970. Mr. Plummer: Go to the column marked... Ms. Spillman: The far left. Mr. Dawkins: Well, we are talking about working from the middle. Mayor Ferre: Wait a minute. Mr. Dawkins: (INAUDIBLE COMMENT) Mayor Ferre: Will you listen to me. Four months have gone by, is that correct? Ms. Spillman: Correct. Mayor Ferre: So, if you are going to give them their request,(please follow me), it has to be eight- twelfths which is two-thirds of $30,000, since four months have already gone by. You can't give them $30,000. Mr. Plummer: Maurice, go to the last column. Mr. Dawkins: We have given them $24,000. Mayor Ferre: No, no, we have given them $21,168. Mr. Plummer: That is correct. Ms. Spillman: He is talking about it. Mayor Ferre: They are asking now for $44,812. Ms. Spillman: No, no. Mr. Gary: No, no. Ms. Spillman: To fund them up into a level where they were funded previously... Mr. Gary: Last year. Ms. Spillman .... we need $44,812. That is just to carry them. It has nothing to do with the increase. Mayor Ferre: Look, will you listen to me again? They have asked... Dena, when you are ready to listen, you let me know. Go ahead and finish, and listen to her, and let me know when you are ready. Ms. Spillman: Can I explain something? Mayor Ferre: No, I want to explain something to you! Ms. Spillman: Okay. Mayor Ferre: Okay? And I want you to listen to me. Now, in their original request, which you recommended, was $65,970. Ms. Spillman: Correct. ld 58 JAN 51984 0 U Mayor Ferre: Now, we have already expended $21,156. Ms. Spillman: Correct. Mayor Ferre: If we are going to expend what is remaining in their request, they would therefore gather $44,812. All right, now, in ad- dition to that, they have asked for an additional $30,000, but four months have gone by. So, if you apply the same formula of eight - twelfth of the remaining $30,000, you are down to $20,000. Ms. Spillman: That is correct, two thirds of... Mayor Ferre: Now, let me finish. Now, if you add $20,000 to $44,812, their new position is $64,000, however, Plummer's formula, if we are to follow it, requires a reduction of 26%. Plummer, is that right? Mr. Plummer: Yes. That would bring them to $33,609. Mayor Ferre: so, it would be $64.812, minus... Ms. Spillman: No, no. You would apply it to the... Mayor Ferre: You have not followed what I am doing. I have added to their basic request the $30,000, which is not $30,000, but $20,000, because four months have gone by. So, if we are to do what Blanco and Action are asking for, what they are requesting for to be fair, is $64,812, based on their request. Okay? Now, Plummer is saying we must, to be fair, cut that 26% across the board. Ms. Spillman: Correct. Mr. Gary: But he is saying more than that. He started out - he didn't add the new request. He took the $44,000, so you have it different in terms of what is the bas upon which you cut. Mayor Ferre: I know thatl Mr. Plummer: Yes, because then if you use that formula - the Mayor, then the 705 at the bottom doesn't hold up. That is increased. Mr. Gary: Exactly. Mr. Plummer: And it is more than the 26% per program. Mayor Ferre: That is right. That is right. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, it was my understanding that no new additional requests would be honored. That was my understanding, in F.R.S. Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Gary, does the $517,000 balance, does that include the additional requests, or is that minus the additional requests? Mr. Gary: Minus. Mr. Dawkins: So how in the hell are we going to sit up here and discuss something that does not exist? Mr. Plummer: Well, you could do it on an individual basis. Mr. Dawkins: How can you do it? Mr. Plummer: You are going to eliminate some programs completely. Mayor Ferre: Now you have got it. That is one way of doing it. Mr. Gary: I would like to have the opportunity, Mr. Mayor, as you make decisions that Staff be allowed to give you its professional recommendation also on each project. Mr. Plummer: We have done that in your initial recommendation. 59 Id JAN 51984 01 Mayor Ferre: No, but I think he is right. In other words, he is say- ing we are not getting to the real nitty-gritty, and he may have some further cuts that he may want to recommend. I've got you. Mr. Dawkins: Okay, go ahead. Mayor Ferre: Go ahead, Mr. Manager. Please help us out of this dilemma. Let me tell you where I am at, okay? I am willing *.o go one by one and allocate, arbitrarily, because that's the way it is, taking these recommendations and just arbitrarily coming up with a figure. Now, we are going to come to a point where somebody is going to get cut, and it is just a question as to what we have as priorities, that is all. And I am just telling you right now that I am going to be voting - just put it right on the record - that I am going to be voting for ASPIRA, and that I am going to be voting for Action, and we are going to do it on an individual basis. Now, if we are going to be doing it on a non -individual basis, then I think we need to do it as a policy matter, and I am willing to entertain that as a motion, and then we do not get into... Mr. Dawkins: I have no problem with that and I will be voting for... Mayor Ferre: You pick the ones... Mr. Dawkins: ... HACAD and Tacolcy... Mayor Ferre: That is right, that is fine. That is exactly the way.. Mr. Dawkins: So that is four programs that we have got that will not be cut. Now, let's get some more. Mayor Ferre: HACAD and Tacolcy. Mr. Dawkins: Right. Mayor Ferre: Now, there is Tacolcy I and Tacolcy II. Are you talking about both? One is Sports, II, and the Other one is Youth Vocation. Are you talking about both of those, Miller? Mr. Dawkins: I will leave it up to the Manager, which one I should go with. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Manager? Mr. Dawkins: That is all right. I will take both of them. Mayor Ferre: Both of them, all right. Mr. Plummer, anything you want to tell us to? All right, Mr. Perez, is there any program here you want funded? Mr. Perez: I think when I was out you approved a motion about the new project, Lhat you are not goir)g.to affect anything? Mayor Ferre: No, we haven't done that, not that I remember. Mr. Perez: You still didn't do anything? Mayor Ferre: Mr. Plummer, did we move - you are the guy with the memory around here. Did we move that we were not going to fund any new programs? Did we make a motion to that effect? Mr. Plummer: No, the motion which we made was that the maximum amount that we would spend would be $515,000, that is the only motion that I know of that passed. Mr. Perez: I would like to include the Youth Co-op on S. W. 7th St. Mayor Ferre: Where is Youth Co-op? Mr. Plummer: That is a new project. 60 'JAN 51984 ld O Mayor Ferre: Youth Co-op? Southwest Services. Mr. Plummer: That now makes our deficit $94,000 more. Mayor Ferre: For the full amount? $64,000? Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Mayor, I've got to reconsider. If everybody else here is not taking two projects, I am not taking any, because I am not going out on a limb like this. So, if everybody does not take two projects, or one project not to be cut, then I make a motion that we start at the top and we come down and when we get to $517,000, then we start saying "Well, I want this one", and then if you get three votes you get three votes to cut out what you want. Mayor Ferre: Do it any way you want it. I repeat to you. We can do it one of three ways. We can throw the ball to the Manager and let the Administration make the decisions. Number two, we can set a policy and not get into specifics, or Number three, we can go individually down, one by one. Mr. Dawkins: All right, I am in favor of going individually down. Mayor Ferre: All right. Mr. Plummer: Is that all the way to the bottom? Mr. Dawkins: Yes, without the new additional requests. Mayor Ferre: All right, we've got to make that into a motion, one way or the other. Mr. Dawkins: Okay, I move that we go down the list individually, with the last column, where it says additional allocations to fund the pro- ject through 9-30-84. Mayor Ferre: All right, Plummer, and Perez, Mr. Manager, you had bet- ter watch now, because there is something happening now which moves us off of dead center. There is a motion by a member of this Commission that says that we only take into consideration the last column of Page 6, which is additional allocations to fund projects through 9-30-84. Mr. Perez: In that way we would have only the opportunity to cover two of the new projects? Mr. Plummer: None of them! Mayor Ferre: None of the new projects. They get eliminated. Mr. Plummer: No, that would free up $31,000. Mayor Ferre: No, more than that - $94,000. Mr. Plummer: No, because you can't touch Martin Technical. That money is gone, and you can't touch Centro Mater, that money is gone, so the two projects that I see that you would be loosening up ... oh, I am sorry, Centro Mater is in the category, and the other one is United Family and Children Services. Mr. Gary: Right. Mr. Plummer: You eliminate those two, that is $31,000. Mr. Gary: Yes. Mr. Plummer: Or rough 10% of what you need. Mayor Ferre: The motion, as I understood it, and please correct me if it is wrong, that this Commission will only consider the last column on Page 6, existing projects entitled "Additional Allocations to Fund Projects through 9-30-84." ld 61 JAN 51984 4T 9 Mr. Plummer: That is not what he said. Mayor Ferre: That is what I heard the man say. Mr. Plummer: No, you said no new projects. Mr. Dawkins: No projects either, when you get that in, that is it. Mr. Perez: Okay, personally I prefer to have the opportunity to assess one by one. Personally, I am very interested in two of the new projects that I think pay a service to this community and it is better to assess one by one and to try to discuss and negotiate with all of the people that are here. That is my personal position. Mr. Dawkins: Well, I agree with you, but you didn't come back on time when everybody was discussing this. Mr. Perez: But, I was discussing by the figures. Mr. Dawkins: Wait, now wait! Mayor Ferre: Now, the Chair ... no, no! Mr. Dawkins: Now, wait, I have the right... Mayor Ferre: No, no. Mr. Dawkins: The Chair has already been... Mayor Ferre: No, Miller, Miller...come on Miller, I am chairing this meeting and there is a motion on the floor. Your motion is on the floor, and I don't want you to interrupt yourself! Okay, now, if you will just keep quiet for a moment, we will see where we are going. Now, you have made a motion, until I ask for a second. If you don't get a second, then there is nothing to talk about. Mr. Plummer: To give my friend Miller the chance to speak, I will second the motion, but probably vote against it. Mr. Dawkins: Okay, all I am saying, Demetrio, is that what you want to hear, the people already spoke and made their plea as to what they need, so I mean - you have a right now, to hear them over, but what I am saying is, you are taking us all through this again that we have already heard. That is all. Mr. Perez: I respect all your time and your dedication. I was in my office on a long distance call, but I had the speaker there, and I heard the statements that they made. I am familiar... Mr. Dawkins: You don't need to hear it over, then! Mr. Perez: No, for example about these two programs - okay, I notice Youth Co-op. I think that they are requesting $30,000. I note that they would be able to affect, for example, a proportion of that money; that they didn't make any statement about direction about the other one, the Southwest Service, they are requesting $64,000. I don't know if we furnish $10,000, $20,000, $30,000, if this would be enough for the service that they want to provide. And something else that I want to clarify with this Southwest Service, I don't want to create any kind of conflict with the Little Havana Food Service, and something that I would like to have very clear in the record. Mr. Dawkins: All you are saying is you want clarification on two pro- grams, not all of them. Mr. Perez: That is all. No, that is all. Mayor Ferre: All right, Commissioner Perez is entitled, as is anybody on this Commission to ask a question'of a specific program. Now, you mentioned Southwest. Would Mrs. Penedo please come to the microphone ld 62 JAN 51984 0 f and would Ms. Carbonnel also come down here, since you are part of the question. Now, the question to you, as I heard Commissioner Perez here, that if you cannot get $64,378, what is the minimum amount of money that you can live with and still have a viable program. Ms. Penedo: We have been living with so little before that anything would help. Mayor Ferre: No, that is not an answer, Ma'am. Give us an answer! Ms. Penedo: Right now, four months has elapsed since the F.R.S. funds were applied for, and we figured we were asking for approximately $5,000 per month, more or less. This was the $64,000. We would be able to live with about $40►000. Mayor Ferre: $40,000? $30,000? Ms. Penedo: $40,000. Mayor Ferre: Now, Ms. Penedo, you told me recently that if we gave you $30,000, you were going to get $75,000 from the United Way. Ms. Penedo: We are negotiating with the United Way. Mayor Ferre: Well, but you told me $30,000. You said if you gave us $30,000, we would get $75,000 from United Way. Ms. Penedo: Well, $30,000 would give us money to be able to continue the negotiations with United Way. Mayor Ferre: Now, let me ask you this. If this Commission were to accept your proposal, and it would be conditioned on your getting $75,000. In other word, if we were to approve $30,000 on the condition that you got United Way funds up to $75,000. Is that acceptable to you? Ms. Penedo: That would be fair enough, because if we don't have the United Way... Mayor Ferre: If you can't get the United Way, the $30,000 is of little value to you. Ms. Penedo: The $30,000 wouldn't do anything, but if we get the $30,000, we would be able to get the United Way. Mayor Ferre: All right, now, the second question that Commissioner Perez asked was - Will this in any way affect the existing program of the Little Havana Center? We need an answer from you on that. Little Havana Activity Center. No, no - Mrs. Penedo. Ms. Penedo: Well, in my opinion, I don't think that... Mayor Ferre: Why? Ms. Penedo:....it would affect Little Havana Activity Center. Little Havana Activity Center has been active for many years. We came to that area about four years ago. They still didn't have the St. Dominic Garden... Mayor Ferre: But they have St. Dominic's now, and you are going to be about five blocks away, or ten blocks - how many blocks? Ms. Penedo: They are on 57th & 7th, and we are on 8th and 73rd. Mayor Ferre: You at this time do not have a food program. Ms. Penedo: Yes, we do.We have a food program with non -recurring funds from the area Agency on Aging, and right now... Mayor Ferre: You are providing food for people? ld 6U3 JAN 51984 0 Mr. Perez: Who provides the food? you, or Little Havana? Ms. Penedo: We are providing food with non -recurring funds. On a meeting held on December 21st at the area agency on aging, Little Havana, until the negotiations for the $75,000 are settled, is going to provide food for our participants. Mayor Ferre: Are those State funds? Ms. Penedo: No, Federal funds. Mayor Ferre: Federal funds, through the State, all right. Me. Perez: I think that Mrs. Carbonell told me that you are providing the food for the...... 64 JAN 51984 .. or e Ms. Penedo: As of tomorrow they will start providing. Mayor Ferre: In other words Little Havana provides you the food. Ms. Penedo: As of tomorrow because our fundine stowed...... Mayor Ferre: Now, let me ask you, Ms. Penedo so we understand. If this Commission votes for $30,6009 provided it is matched by $75,000 from Metro, is it your intention to continue using Little Havana to provide those meals? Ms. Penedo: Well, on the December 21st Meeting we decided to get together with Ms. Carbonell in Little Havana and Mr. Fox, the director.... Mayor Ferre: Was the answer yes or no? Ms. Penedo: Suggested that we go into a joint venture. Mayor Ferre: I asked you the question, and I can't get into the•if's and maybes, is the answer yes or no, or you don't know? Ms. Penedo: I don't know, I haven't talked to Josephina about it. Mr. Perez: Okay, but personally, Mr. Mayor, in order to avoid any duplication of services, I would like - personal- ly, that is my own personal opinion - I would like to pro- pose or to move to accept the proposal of the Southwest Services conditioned that they contract the service of the other agency, Little Havana because in other ways we would have a duplication of services in the area. Mayor Ferre: I understand. I will recognize you in a little while for that motion. Let me repeat it to make sure I understand what you're saying. Your motion is that this Commission move to grant Southwest Services up to $30,000, provided, however, two conditions are met (1) that they get $75,000 from the United Way and (2) that they come to a satisfactory contractual arrangement with Little Havana Activity Center, is that correct? Mr. Perez: That's right. Mayor Ferre: Now, Ms. Carbonell, do you want to get in- volved in this or not? Mr. Dawkins: You don't have any choice, do you? Ms. Carbonell: We have been trying to work out with the AAA, the Area Agency on Aging for the $75,000. We both applied for the area of Westchester which has nothing to do with the City of Miami and that is the $75,000 that is up for grabs between the two agencies. In the meantime, the non -recurring funds which they had were eliminated December 30th. So to make sure that those people did not stay with- out eating after the 30th of December, we made an agreement that Little Havana would feed the people from Southwest Social Services until some moneys would be resolved. JAN 51984 RT P tt Mr. Dawkins: If the money comes in, let's say the $30,000 and the $75,000, will this, and I'm just assuming that the two agencies continue to work together, will this give you the ability to feed more persons? Ms. Carbonell: Well, I requested an extra amount of moneys for the waiting list clients that are in the Little Havana, the St. Dominics area and I think the original request was in the 60's but since the months have passed there is only $34,000 needed for the rest of the year, additional request and that is for meals. I don't know how you're going to take that, if you're going to go down the line or whatever. I don't want to confuse you, but at the same time we have requested at the previous Commission Meeting an extra... Mr. Dawkins: Approximately how many persons out there between the two agencies, off the top of your head, are not being served? Ms. Carbonell: Well, there is approximately 5,000 elderly clients, I think Mrs. Penedo had the list, 5,000 elderly clients that are living in the.... Mr. Dawkins: In the target area. Ms. Carbonell: It is West Miami, Flagami and the Westchester area, it is mixed so there is not a specific breakdown of the areas. But there is a waiting list in our area of St. Dominics that is not being served. Mr. Dawkins: And that is in with the $5,000 or that is an extra? Ms. Carbonell: Well, this is Flagami only which is what we deal with in St. Dominics. Mr. Dawkins: Okay, thank you. Ms. Penedo: I would like to make something clear. i don't have anything against Little Havana provid- ing meals to our elderly. The only thing is that Little Havana is not a catering service, they provide the meal service. We provide meal service. So for us to contract Little havana to provide meal services would be ... Mr. Dawkins: Counter productive? Ms. Penedo Right, not counter productive, but it just would be excess work, excess paper work because they do not cook their own meals. They contract a catering service that provides their meals. We contract a catering service that provides our meals. Right now we're negotiat- ing lower prices with several catering services. Mr. Dawkins: What I think what the Commissioner, and I'm not trying to put words in his mouth, but I think what he is saying is the same thing you are saying, that in the event that the Little Havana area could go into a caterer with x- number of meals then this person is able to demand a lower price because of the volume. I think this is what he was getting at. Mr. Perez: I think Little Havana has had long experience in serving the residents of the City of Miami and your experi- ence for a long time were out of the limits of the City of Miami and I think that we have to avoid any kind of duplica- tion of service. Ms. Penedo: But we don't have duulication of services. Orb 00 JAN 51984 RT f r: Mr. Perez: It depends on your perception, but anyhow, I think that Little Havana is a priority, the City has some investment in Little Havana for a long time and Little Havana.has made a strong investment in this community. Ms. Penedo: Oh, I agree with you 100$• Mr. Perez: And I think that Little Havana has to be a priority in order to save the money that we are spending now. Ms.Penedo: I understand what you're saying but we can go and deal directly with the same catering service that provides the meals for Little Havana, I don't see any benefit for them or for us for them just to give us the food. Mr. Perez: Okay, if we present a motion that your assign- ment would be subject to a contract with the Little Havana, you don't accept that one? Ms. Penedo! It isn't that I wouldn't accept it, it is just that I ... Mr. Perez: For example, if we have that motion, you are not able to accept that motion? Ms. Penedo: If you mean with the money that we get to pay Little Havana to provide the food and for them to provide.... Mr. Perez: That you contract the foods with Little Havana and you have your own program but the part of the food that you contract with Little Havana Services, that's what we would like to propose. You don't accept that motion? Ms. Penedo: Oh, I accept the motion, I just don't see the.... Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, let me ask not you a question. Mr. Gary, if a motion is made, let me understand, that proposals for $64,000. Right? So in other words, still coming under the cap of 5.15 then we've got to reduce every program by more than 26%. Mr. Gary: Exactly. Mr. Plummer: Okay, as long as we understand somewhere else it's got to go. Now excuse me. Commissioner, I would assume that in fairness, that since it is 4 months by the board, this $64,000 would be reduced by at least 4 months of allo- cation, $40,000. Now, excuse me, you might be doing your- self a disservice. What is 8/12th of $64,000? No, if we're going to apply the formula uniformly, tell me what is 8/12th of $64,000. Mr. Gary: Yes, but what she is saying to you is... Mr. Plummer: I understand what she is saying. .... $42,088? Okay, now what is 26% less than that? Wait a minute, 26% doesn't apply anymore. So she has agreed to accept $30,000? Mr. Gary: That is what she asked for. Ms. Spillman: Yes, she agreed that $30,000 would be ade- quate. JAN 51984 RT f A Mr. Plummer: That's even better. Okay. now is for $30,000. Mr. Gary: Nov 8/12th of 30. Ms. Spillman: No, $30,000. Mr. Plummer: 8/12th of $30,000 or $30,000? Ms. Spillman: $30,000. Mr. Plummer: $30,000. Okay, reduction. That's the point think that is what she meant. Ms. Spillman: It isn't. So that request but then subject to any other I'm trying to make. I don't Mr. Plummer: Okay, just leave it at that right now, we'll argue about it later I'm sure. Mr. Dawkins: That's $30,000 from the 515, right? Mr. Plummer: Yes, it is going to come under that, sure, it has to. Mr. Gary: Since you're making a discussion, I think it would be appropriate to ask the lady that the condition of the United Way money of $75,000 has to come along with that, is that $75,000 for Westchester or Little Havana. Mr. Plummer: Okay, fair question. The other funding that you're getting, from United Fund, is that for Flagami or from Westchester? On the record, please. That is a fair question. The funding we requested is desig- natedVa*gami-Westchester area. Ms. Spillman: But it would be without the City of Miami, not necessarily within the City of Miami. Ms. Penedo: Well, the point is that the clients we serve and we're serving right now are City of Miami clients. The area that we have targeted is City of Miami area. Ms. Spillman: But the United Way funding is for non -City of Miami residents. Ms. Penedo- No, the United Way funding is for clients that we're providing services to now and clients on our waiting list now which includes clients in the Flagami area, City of Miami. Mayor Ferre: But I think the point is that no City of Miami funds could go in any way towards the feeding of anybody but people who are residents of the City of Miami. Ms. Penedo The funds from the City of Miami would be utilized to provide services to the residents of the City of Miami. Mayor Ferre: Would the maker of the motion include... Mr. Plummer: There's no motion. 0 Mayor Ferre: Yes, he made a motion. He hasn't gotten a second yet, but he made a motion. Now, would you put as a third condition, that the moneys only be used for people who are clearly and proveably residents of the City of Miami? 68 JAN 5 t984 RT e Mr. Plummer: Okay, question. Where is the other $95,504 of your money coming from? us. Penedo: - We have right now a CETA program that is where part of uur money is coming from now. Mr. Plummer: Your total budget, according to these figures which I have, is $159,882. You are requesting, or did request $64,378 which means, if you eliminate the City money, your budget is $95,504. I'm asking where that money is coming from. Ms. Venedo: Part of that money is coming from CETA, part of the money was the one that was used from the non -recurring funds from the Area Agency on Aging and part of the money was provided by HRS until June of 83. Mr. Plummer: Well, then how can that be.... All right, I'm not going to argue, I don't know you can include funds that were of the last fiscal year in this year's total budget, I don't know how you can do that. Ms. Penedo: Our funding has different cycles, that's why. Mr. Perez: What do you have approved for your budget? You have here from CETA $60,000, you have a request for $115,000; the United Way $16,000 but that is approved or only requested? Ms. Penedo! The $16, 000 from the United Way were approved and were used and the $60,000 from CETA were approved and we are working with them now. Mayor Ferre: All right, have we clarified the motion now the way it is? Mr. Plummer: Can I ask a question, please of Dena? Dena, of the programs that you have listed here as new projects, other than the one we have just discussed called Southwest Services, how many of them address food or medical or relat- ed? Ms. Spillman: If you look on page 8, Commissioner, under new projects, Southwest Services is the only food project in priority III Youth in Need, we have several and then most of them fall in the other category which are not your priori- ties. Mr. Plummer: Under new projects, the only one I see under that category is Southwest Services, is that correct? Ms. Spillman: Correct. Mr. Plummer: Okay, medical related projects, there are none. Ms. Spillman: Correct. Mr. Plummer: Youth in Need related projects there are a number, six to be exact. Yes. Thank you. Mayor Ferre: All right, we now have a motion on the floor. Mr. Plummer: What was the motion? Mayor Ferre: I will repeat the motion, and stop me if I repeat it wrong. The motion is that Southwest Services be funded up to $30,000 for the remainder of the Fiscal Year, S9 JAN 51984 _ R T - - - --- -- - ---- r r provided, however, that (1) they come to a contractual relationship for those for the food services with the Little Havana Activity Center and (2) That they be matched by $75,000 of United Fund money and (3) that only residents of the City of Miami will be fed with those funds. Mr. Plummer: Second the motion in consistency with my philosophy of feeding the hungry and taking care of the sick, this qualifies. Mayor Ferre: Further discussion? Call the roll on that motion. The preceding motion introduced by Commissioner Perez and seconded by Commissioner Plummer was passed and adopted by the following vote - AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Vice -Mayor Demetrio Perez Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo Mayor Ferre: The next one is Youth Coop. Go ahead. Mr. Perez: What would be the minimum that you would be able to accept? UNIDENTIFIED/ SPEAKER -2: We can accept $22,000, we can do it with no problem, $20,000 to $22,000. Mr. Perez: When you mention $22,000, that's $22,000 for the year. UNIDENTIFIED/SPEAKER-2: The $22,000 for a year. Mr. Perez: Now what we have is eight months. UNIDENTIFIED/SPEAKER-2: Well, we're asking for the $30,000 for a year. If we use the same formula you used for the rest I think you should use it. Mayor Ferre: That takes it down to $20,000. UNIDENTIFIED/SPEAKER-2: That's what I said, $20,000, I'm not good in mathematics. Mr. Perez: I propose that we assign the $20,000 to the Youth Coop. Mayor Ferre: Is there a second? Is there a second? Is there a second to the motion? Obviously, for lack of a second the motion dies. In a four member Commission, obvi- ously there is no way that.... Mr. Plummer: Let me bring up a subject. Dena, it is rather obvious to me this funding of the 8/12th takes us to the first of February? Ms. Spillman: Yes, sir. Mr. Plummer: Okay. Dena, we've got to cut roughly $300,000. That is roughly what we've got to cut. Now, it is rather obvious to me that we have overlooked a very important thing and that is that there are going to be programs here that are going to be cut out completely. It is rather obvious. Now, I don't think, Mr. Mayor, in my 70 JAN 51984 _ RT_ _ __ estimation, there is any program here that you cannot give a wind down to. You know, if you're talking about a day care center they've got to have time to make allocation to get those kids somewhere else or do something with. Today is the 5th of the month. I don't truthfully feel that 25 days is adequate time. Now, all I'm saying is I don't want somebody to come back later and then we've got to go through all this formula again. I'm putting on the record right now that you're probably going to have to carry these programs through another month, especially the ones you're cutting out completely and I'm just putting that on the records that somebody had better start thinking about it. Mayor Ferre: I want to tell you, so that nobody will have any misunderstandings - I'm not saying that I'm going to get three votes here, but I want to tell you what I'm going to do. Accion is asking for - it is being recommended for $44,812, they're asking for an additional $30,000 which in effect really is $20,000, I'm going to move that in addition to say the $45,000 that we grant them $109000 more and that gives them $55,000. ASPIRA is asking for $50,000 and I'm going to recommend that they get $30,000 and those are the only two things that I'm going to move, just so that we know. Mr. Plummer: Well, that is fine, Mr. Mayor, 'but there are about 15 other projects. Mayor Ferre: I realize that. I mean hey, we started out, I started out, Demetrio wanted.... Mr. Plummer: You've just about evened it out. Mayor Ferre: Demetrio wanted to come in with his, that's fine. If you want to come in, I'll recognize you or Miller. Mr. Plummer: You've increased Accion by $11,000 and you've decreased ASPIRA by $7,000, by $19,000. Mayor Ferre: I'll do it formally. I move..... I move that ACCION Community Center be funded up to $55,000 in what is remaining of the fiscal year. Mr. Plummer: Second the motion under the predicate that this is related to food and medical, it meets my criteria. Mr. Perez: Is the motion understood? Call the roll. The preceding motion introduced by Mayor Ferre and seconded by Commissioner Plummer was passed and adopted by the following vote - AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Vice -Mayor Demetrio J. Perez Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo Mayor Ferre: Now I move you that ASPIRA of Florida be funded for remains of this year $30,000. Mr. Dawkins: I'll second. Mr. Perez: Okay, motion understood? Call the roll. 71 RT JAN 51984 Thereupon, the preceding motion introduced by Mayor Ferre and seconded by Commissioner Dawkins was passed and adopted by the following vote - AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Vice -Mayor Demetrio J. Perez Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, let me ask a question. How much did ASPIRA get last year? Ms. Spillman: They got approximately $74,000, a bit less, maybe. Mr. Plummer: Okay, so it is not a new project? Ms. Spillman: No, sir. Mr. Dawkins: Okay, I move that Coconut Grove Family Clinic get $23,975 and the additional $19,939 that they requested. Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute, where are you? Mr. Dawkins: I'm down at Coconut Grove Family Clinic. Mayor Ferre: They got $23,975. Mr. Dawkins: And they asked for an additional $19,939, I move that they get both of these. Mr. Plummer: The additional amount, Miller, would be $13,359 for 8/12th on the additional grant. Mr. Dawkins: All right, so I'll give them 13 and 23, I move that they get $46,000. Mayor Ferre: All right, there is a motion on Coconut Grove that they get - that's moving them up. The request is $239975.... Mr. Plummer: It is $37,334. Mr. Dawkins: Okay, that's what we move. Mayor Ferre: Is there a second? Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, that does come under my priorities, I second the motion. Mayor Ferre: All right, call the roll. The preceding motion introduced by Commissioner Dawkins and seconded by Commissioner Plummer was passed and adopted by the following vote- . AYES: Commissioner.J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner Demetrio J. Perez Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo 72 JAN 51984 _, •. - _ RT Mr. Dawkins: Okay, I move JESCA, JESCA is supposed to get $27,027, they requested an additional $60,000, if we apply the same rule to $60,000, what do we come up with, J. L.? Mr. Plummer: $40,000 was the 8!12th so it would be $67,000. Mr. Dawkins: I move that JESCA get $67,000. Ms. Spillman: Excuse me, Commissioners, I have to tell you this is not for food. Mr. Dawkins: What is it for then? Ms. Spillman: It is for a computer program. Mr. Dawkins: No way. Okay, I withdraw that. Mayor Ferre: All right, Commissioner Perez has asked me if I would not second the Youth Coop, so Miller, since he is going to make the motion and I'm going to second... Mr. Dawkins: Thank you, Dena. Mr. Perez: Okay, I move the motion again for the Youth Coop for $20,000. Mr. Dawkins: I second it on the strength that if we have any money left over I'd like to give it to .... Mr. Plummer: Any money left over from where? From what? Well now wait a minute, are you talking about Youth Coop at the $30,000 or $20,000? Mr. Dawkins: $20,000. Mayor Ferre: It has been moved by Perez, seconded by Dawkins. Further discussion? Call the roll. The preceding motion introduced by Commissioner Perez, seconded by Commissioner Dawkins was passed and adopted by the following vote. AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Vice -Mayor Demetrio J. Perez Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. ABSENT: Commissioner Joe C-arollo Mr. Plummer: It does not meet my criteria, I vote no. Mayor Ferre: All right, anybody else? Plummer? Well, then let's start going down the line: Allapattah Community Action. Mr. Plummer: Can we take a minute, Mr. Mayor, and hold tight? Mayor Ferre: Yes, sir. Mr. Hardwig. Mr. Hardwig: The program that you disallowed, that is our JESCA food program,, it has nothing to do with the computer program whatsoever. Mayor Ferre: No, you're going to get funded $39,541, it was the additional $60,000 that we're talking about. 73 Mr. Hardwig: Okay, thank you. Mr. Plummer: Can we hold tight for a minute? Mayor Ferre: Well, I'm going to tell you my next motion is Little Havana Activity Center. Mr. Plummer: Hold on just a minute, please. Mayor Ferre: I'm going to make a motion that they receive $25,000 additional funds. Commissioner Perez, I think the motion was made that Little Havana Community Center be granted an additional $25,000. And who seconded the motion? Plummer, are you ready to vote? Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute, excuse me, what was that on? Mayor Ferre: Little Havana Community Center. Mr. Plummer: They have asked for an additional $76,0009 is that correct? Mayor Ferre: And I'm just saying that they get an addition- al $25,000. You've got an additional $10,000, is what we did. Mr. Plummer: Well, let me stop and figure here. Mr. Octavio Blanco: Mayor, the only thing is that I don't know my figures, my mathematics were wrong, I was asking for $30,000, I got $10,000. Mr. Plummer: No, that's not true. No. You got $20,000. Mayor Ferre: Blanco, instead of the $44,812, you were going to receive $55,000. Mr. Blanco: It is $11,000. Mr. Plummer: Correct. Ms. Spillman: For 8 months. Mr. Blanco: Yes, Dena, can I explain? Ms. Spillman: Pardon me. Mr. Blanco: Coconut Grove Clinic asking for $19,939 and they got $13,000. I don't know how they asked for less money than I do but they get more money than I got. Mr. Gary: So what? Mr. Plummer: Because Ferre made one motion and Dawkins made another. Mayor Ferre: Well, I have no problems of making it an equal amount of money, is that what the thing is? I've got no problems with making what was it, $13,000? How much was it? Mr. Plummer: $13,000 additional on ... Mayor Ferre: I've got no problems in making it $13,000 additional instead oif $11,000. Mr. Plummer: No, that's not what he is saying. He is saying apply the same percentage which would make him $64,000 rather than the $55,000. 74 RT I Ara 51984 Mayor Ferre: No, we're going to get ourselves into what we're already into which is a totally arbitrary allocation of funds. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I think we had better keep two things in mind - We're running pretty wild. First of all, the wind down money for those agencies that are going to be eliminated and by the action already taken, instead of being 200 --- Mayor Ferre: Wait a minute, Plummer, we've got a motion and we're waiting for Miller. I made a motion that Little Havana be granted an additional $25,000 and Perez seconds so we've got a motion on the floor right now. Mr. Plummer: So in other words instead of the 183, you're saying to make that 108? Mayor Ferre: My motion is that Little Havana Activity Center has requested an addition of $76,000. Mr. Plummer: right. Mayor Ferre: I'm saying besides the 183,530, 73,195 for Peters Plaza, 47,429 for Safe House and 62,906 for St. Dominics, that they get an additional $25,000. Mr. Plummer: So you're talking about giving them $208,000... Mayor Ferre: It is $183,530, plus $73,195 plus $47,429... Ms. Spillman: No, Mayor, the 183 is the total. Mr. Plummer: No, that is the total of the three bottom ones. Mayor Ferre: I stand corrected. In addition to the $183,530, $25,000. Mr. Dawkins: Going along the lines of what Plummer said, all four of these activities deal with feeding people? Mr. Plummer: Is there a second to the motion? Mr. Dawkins: Yes, the motion has been seconded but we're still under discussion. Mr. Plummer: Okay, under discussion, it meets my criteria. Mr. Dawkins: Any further discussion? Thereupon the preceding motion introduced by Mayor Ferre and seconded by Commissioner Perez was passed and adopted by the following vote - AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Vice -Mayor Demetrio J. Perez Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo Mayor Ferre: Now I move you that $103,993 be allocated to HACAD. Mr. Dawkins: Second. 15 RT JAN 51984 Mr. Plummer: All right, under discussion, first of all, not relating to HACAD, I've been trying to say this now. Where we were in the beginning, we were $2319000 shy. We are now $360,000 shy and we have not considered any wind down money. INAUDIBLE COMMENTS Mr. Plummer: Dena, what percentage of HACAD is food or medical? I know that two of HACAD's is legal. What per- centage of their's is food? Ms. Spillman: Their food is 39%. Mr. Plummer: And what per cent is medical? Ms. Spillman: None. Mr. Plummer: Okay. You're not, Mr. Mayor, cutting it down to just the food or medical? Mayor Ferre: I'm making motion that HACAD be funded for $103,993. Mr. Plummer: And that includes the two lawyers. Mr. Dawkins: Yes, 4 lawyers if possible. Mayor Ferre: The Haitian community has very very little to go on. Mr. Plummer: Well, Mr. Mayor, I'm not going to argue, but here again I want to tell you that under HACAD they are receiving, if they get their full grant from the City, and that is $141,000 is only 13% of their total money. They are receiving $1,031,183• So you know, here again, we do not have the breakdown as to how the rest of that money is spent. Mr. Dawkins: Hold it. We don't have a break down on how none of it is spent. Mr. Plummer: I understand that. I'm saying because I've asked every time is it for food or for medical. Mr. Dawkins: And they say no. Mr. Plummer: Well, excuse me, Mr. Dawkins, it is pretty obvious with the little nutrition center where that money is going - that is food. Okay? I asked of the Southwest, that was food. Coconut Grove Family, that is self-explanatory, that is medical. The ACCION Committee was for delivering for food and delivering for medical, that is obvious. So yes, this is the first time I have questioned. Okay? So I want that on the record. I'm not picking on HACAD, so don't get me wrong. I would fund immediately 40% of their request because it addresses food. My priorities remain the same. INAUDIBLE COMMENT FROM AUDIENCE Mr. Plummer: Ma'am, the public hearing is closed. If somebody wishes to call on you you're welcome but the public hearing is closed. The preceding motion 'introduced by Mayor and seconded by Commissioner Dawkins was passed and adopted by the fol- lowing vote - AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins r& RT J A N 51984 Vice -Mayor Demetrio J. Perez, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo Mr. Plummer: I want on the record I would have liked to have voted for that portion relating to the food but the motion was not presented that way. Mr. Gary: Mr. Mayor, I think it may be appropriate at this time for us to give you a total. Mayor Ferre: Yes, sir, go ahead. Mr. Plummer: I just gave you a total. $360,000. Mr. Gary: No, we've got to give you another total. Mr. Plummer: $359,087. Mr. Gary: $511,..... Why don't you call off what you have. Mayor Ferre: The items approved that I understand so far are Accion Community Center $55,000. Belafonte Tacolcy, did we approve that? Mr. Plummer: No. Mayor Ferre: ASPIRA $30,000. Mr. Plummer: Correct. That is the only one in the minus column, by the way, they were asking for 37..... Mayor Ferre: HACAD $103,993, Coconut Grove Family Services $37,334, Little Havana Activity Center $183,530 plus $25,000. Mr. Plummer: $208,000 is Little Havana. Mayor Ferre: Okay, what is the total? Southwest Services $30,000, Youth Co-op $20,000. How much does that total? Unidentified speaker: We also have JESCA, $27,027. Mayor Ferre: Yes, you're right. Mr. Plummer: No, that was not voted on. Mayor Ferre: Oh, yes, it was. Mr. Gary: You didn't vote any additional. Mr. Plummer: You never voted on it. That's correct. Mayor Ferre: I move that JESCA be granted $27,027. Mr. Dawkins: I second. The preceding motion introduced by Mayor Ferre and seconded by Commissioner Dawkins was passed and adopted by the following vote - AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Vice -Mayor Demetrio J. Perez, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. 77 RT J.AN 51984 ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo Mr. Plummer: Dena, is that for food? Ms. Spillman: JESCA, yesr sir. Mr. Plummer: I vote yes. Mayor Ferre: Okay, what is the total so far? Mr. Gary: Mr. Mayor, can we go down the list with the names and the amounts and give you a total? Mayor Ferre: Yes, go ahead. Ms. Spillman: Accion $55,000. Mayor Ferre: Yes. Ms. Spillman: ASPIRA $30,000. Mayor Ferre: Yes. Ms. Spillman: Coconut Grove Family Clinic $37,334. Mayor Ferre: Yes. Ms. Spillman: Youth Co-op $20,000 Mayor Ferre: Yes. Ms. Spillman: Little Havana Activity and Nutrition Center $208,530• Mayor Ferre: Yes. Ms. Spillman: HACAD $iO3,993• Mayor Ferre: Yes. Ms. Spillman: JESCA $27,027. Mayor Ferre: Yes. Ms. Spillman: Southwest Social Services $30,000. Mayor Ferre: Yes. Ms. Spillman: And that totals $511,884. Mr. Plummer: So.we have $4,000 left to spend. Mayor Ferre: That's it. Mr. Plummer: Which you really don't have because it will take more than that to wind down the remaining programs. Mayor Ferre: What you, in effect, have done is you have killed St. Alban's Day Care Center, the Miami Jewish Home/Douglas Gardens, Los Viejos Utiles. We've already voted for the Industrial Home for the Blind, haven't we? Ms. Spillman: No, you have to add it in. We also have to add in administration. Mr. Plummer: Oh, no', you get cut too. Mayor Ferre: First United Methodist Church is out, Centro Caribeno, CCS Overtown... I'm going to get to you in a 78 1A AI 4 C moment. Miami Bridge, Allapattah Community Action is out. You see? Do you see what we have done? Now, that's right, that's exactly what has happened. Now, I now want to make a motion that all of what we've been doing in the past half hour and all of these foolish motions going one by one all be rescinded and we start all over again. I so move. Do you get the point of how we can't do this? Mr. Plummer: No, you haven't got a second. Mayor Ferre: And I'll tell you what my second motion is going to be. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, you haven't passed your first. Mayor Ferre: Well, I want to explain what the second is so maybe I can get a second. Mr. Plummer: It is out of order until you get a second. We don't allow lobbying. Mr. Gary: Executive privilege. Mr. Plummer: No executive privilege, when he made the motion he stepped out of the executive chair. Mayor Ferre: All right, before I make the motion, will the chair recognize me for making a statement? Mr. Perez: Sure. Mr. Plummer: I challenge the chair. I bring it to a vote, I challenge the chair. Mayor Ferre: I've not a motion yet, for the purposes of making a statement. Mr. Plummer: No, I'm talking about even to let you speak. Mayor Ferre: Ladies and gentlemen, I did not stop the proceedings before because I knew that after about 10 min- utes of our taking care of each of our own turkeys' we would immediately run out of money and we would leave important programs such as the St. Alban's Day Care, the Miami Jewish Home/Douglas Gardens, Los Viejos Utiles, Industrial Home for the Blind, the First United Methodist church, CCS Overtown Day Care and others like Allapattah Community Action without funding. Now, do you understand that it is impossible for us to get blood out of a turnip? We cannot do the impossi- ble. We only have $515,000 and if we each take care of our own little turkeys what is going to happen is that there are going to be some very important programs that are going to be left out and I submit to you that that is irresponsible and, therefore, I plead with you that we go back to where we are and we do it on a formula basis and not do it on an individual basis and, therefore, I move that all of the previous motions that have been made on an individual basis be rescinded. Mr. Perez: Is there a second? Mayor Ferre: Okay, here we are. For lack of a second, obviously it dies. Now, what is the next thing? Mr. Gary: Mr. Mayor, as an aside subject, we need to ad- dress the issue of administration. Mr. Plummer: No, you address that, we've addressed our problem, you address yours. 79 J A N 5 1984 RT Mr. Gary: No, the administration is a part of this alloca- tion process. Mr. Plummer: No, we say no. Mr. Gary: Well, all I can say to you is that the require- ments of monitoring these programs is becoming more strin- gent as dictated by not only ourselves but the State Attor- ney's Office and I think you need to reconsider that. Mr. Plummer: Agreed, you've got to streamline your adminis- trative office by 26%. Mr. Gary: You didn't cut everybody else by 26%. Mr. Plummer: Well, it has to be cut by 26%. Mr. Gary: Nobody else got by 26%, you've got the same level of funding, the same responsibilities. Mr. Plummer: No, you've got less responsibility now, you have cut out about 10 programs. Mr. Gary: No, they could have been funded anyway. Mayor Ferre: Let me give this another try. I would like to make a motion that we go back to the existing projects as they have been funded and follow the administration's recom- mendations as they have been made. Mr. Plummer: We can't do that, Maurice, you can't do it because then you're at a level of $705,000 plus $31,000. Mayor Ferre: No, less 26%. In other words, the administra- tion's recommendations be adhered to exactly as they have been recommended less 26% and that all previous motions be rescinded simultaneously. Mr. Perez: I will second the motion, if we can act the..... Mr. Plummer: I'll go along with the motion but, he can reconsider the two but I'm not going to vote for them, I've already said that. Mayor Ferre: I'm saying that you can't have your turkey and eat it too. Now, if you want to have a turkey, fine, but realize that you're going to be hurting a lot of very impor- tant programs. Now, if you want to do it the only fair way to do this is to not put ourselves in being the ultimate judges based on other considerations, follow the administra- tion's recommendations and just stick with it and bite the bullet and the recommendation is that we spend $515,000, and since we've taken 4 months to come to this decision that everybody be reduced accordingly. Now, I so move. Mr. Plummer: I like the other motion better. Mayor Ferre: Do you want me to go back to that one? I've forgotten what the other motion was. I move that all previ- ous motions on specific allocations be rescinded. Mr. Plummer: So move. Mayor Ferre: You mean so second. Mr. Plummer: Mas o menos. The preceding motion. introduced by Mayor Ferre and seconded by Commissioner Plummer failed to pass by the following vote- RT f?19 JAB, 51984 9 AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Vice -Mayor Demetrio Perez ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo Mayor Ferre: All right, we got a 2 - 2 vote on that which means it fails. right? Mr. Ongie: Yes, sir. Mayor Ferre: I'll move it again. I move that this Commis- sion follow the administration's recommendation down to the "T". So move. Mr. Perez: Do we have a second? Mr. Plummer: All joking aside, I can't, I cannot, that does not meet the criteria previously made of this Commission because then you're talking to $736,000 and we only have $515,000 to spend. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Chairman, I've made a motion, Mr. Plummer is out of order, you have to ask for a second three times and if there is no second then the motion dies. Mr. Dawkins: The Mayor is correct. Mr. Plummer: I'll give him one. Mayor Ferre; Second? Mr. Plummer: No, but you're right, that I was out of order. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Chairman, ask for a second. Mr. Perez: Do we have any second? Do we have any second to this motion? For the last time, do we have any second? Mayor Ferre: And then you've got to get up and say, "You are out!" Mr. Plummer: No, Demetrio doesn't say that, Suarez does. Mayor Ferre: Who? Now, you know what you've done, you've out out Allapattah from any money. Do you think that is right? Mr. Plummer: No. Mayor Ferre: You've cut the Miami Home for the Aged out of money, do you think that is right? Mr. Plummer: No. Mayor Ferre: Well, let's get off of this dead center then. Plummer, then make your motion, if you would, and I'll second it on a formula. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I go back to 14 years, that we take $515,000 and we address feeding the hungry and taking care of the sick and all related to those two activities and the rest we'll talk about if there is anything left over. Mayor Ferre: I will second that motion. Mr. Plummer: Let them apply it. R T 8+� 1 JAN *51984 r r Mayor Ferre: I second that motion. In other words you take care of the hungry and the sick and all those that are related and those that are not dealing with the hungry or the sick are out. Mr. Plummer: No, Mr. Mayor, please, listen to my motion again: That we first prioritized to feed the hungry, second prioritized is to take care of the sick; the third priori- tized is to related services to support those first two and any other moneys that might be left over we'll talk about. Now, for example HACAD, I'll immediately vote right now for 40% because it relates to food and if any of it relates to medical.... Mayor Ferre: No, Plummer, because I'll tell you what is going to happen, because if HACAD has any common sense they'll turn the whole program over to a food program and ask you for $106,000 for food. Mr. Plummer: And I'll vote for it. I've got no problem with that. All my motion did was address priorities. That's what my motion did. Mr. Dawkins: Under discussion, I need clarification, a point of information. Once we give this back to staff to do what your motion requires and staff brings it back to us, will we Okay it or are we going to sit up here and go through this same process of what program was dropped and what wasn't? Mr. Plummer: To answer your question, Commissioner Dawkins, as bad as I would like to have your vote, I have to tell you quite candidly, sir, I will never relinquish my right to speak out on any subject if I don't think it is proper. I've never relinquished that. Mr. Dawkins: Well, then what are we standing staff back for, Commissioner? Mr. Plummer: We're sending staff back to come back to us with a recommendation relating to those priorities. Mayor Ferre: M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E. Mr. Perez: All right, do we have any other discussion of this motion? Call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 84-9 A MOTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION RESCIND- ING ALL PREVIOUSLY PASSED MOTIONS OF THIS DATE IN CONNECTION WITH THE ALLOCA- TION OF FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING FUNDS; FURTHER DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO DEVISE A FORMULA FOR THE UTILIZATION OF THE REMAINING FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING FUNDS FOR FY-183-184 IN THE AMOUNT OF $515,000; AND FURTHER STIPULATING THAT IN DEVISING SAID FORMULA, THE CITY MANAGER SHALL FOLLOW THE HEREINBELOW LISTED PRIORITIES ESTABLISHED BY THE COMMISSION:. a) FIRST PRIORITY WOULD BE ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF THE HUNGRY; b) SECOND PRIORITY WOULD BE TAKING CARE OF THE SICK; RT J A N 5 1984 c) THIRD PRIORITY WOULD BE ANY RELATED SUPPORT -SERVICES PROGRAMS RELATED TO a) AND b), ABOVE; FURTHER STIPULATING THAT IF AFTER ADDRESSING THE ABOVE -CITED PRIORITIES THERE WERE ANY FUNDS LEFT, THAT SAID FUNDS WOULD BE FURTHER DISCUSSED BY THE CITY COMMISSION FOR FINAL ALLOCATION TO OTHER PROGRAMS. Upon being seconded by Mayor Ferre, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote - AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Vice -Mayor Demetrio Perez, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo Mr. Dawkins: I make a motion we adjourn. Mr. Plummer: No, we've got to have a motion now as to when it comes back. Mr. Gary: You've got to fund them .... Mr. Plummer: No, we've got funding until the first of February. Mayor Ferre: Can you come back at the next meeting which is now the 19th? Mr. Gary: No, we can't come back that early. Mr. Plummer: No, they can come back before the 19th. Mr. Gary: We can come back in February or March. Mr. Plummer: No, sir, you cannot. No, he doesn't tell us, we tell him. Mayor Ferre: Plummer moves that this matter be brought up on January 26th. Mr. Plummer: No, sir, I move that this matter be brought back to us on January 18th which at that time we are also discussing Watson Island. Mayor Ferre: Is there a second? Mr. Dawkins: Second. Mayor Ferre: Further discussion? Call the roll. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 84-10 A MOTION DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK HIS RECOMMENDATIONS PURSUANT TO DIRECTIONS CONTAINED IN M-84-9 FOR DISCUSSION AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEET- ING NOW SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 18, 1984. Upon being seconded by Commissioner X, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote- RT on JAN 51984 f AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Vice -Mayor Demetrio Perez, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. ABSENT: Commissioner Joe Carollo Mayor Ferre: All right, now, Mr. Perez, I give you the Chair and I make the following motion: That for the next year the City of Miami Commission turn over the evaluation process to a committee, that the committee be the United Way of Dade County, that the Committee recommend directly to the Manager and that the Manager, after taking into account the United Way's recommendations and with staff's supervision, recommend to the Commission the allocation of these funds. And lastly, that this Commission can only overturn the Manager's recommendations down by a four -fifths vote. Mr. Dawkins: I make a substitute motion, please, Mr. Vice - Mayor. Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute, how can you make a substitute, that one hasn't even got a second yet? It might die and you don't need a substitute. Mr. Perez: Do I have any second? Mr. Plummer: No. Mr. Dawkins: Okay, I'm going to make one just like the Mayor. I'd like to see that we turn this over to Urban League and let the Urban League come back to us. It dies for the lack of a second? Okay, no problem. Mr. Plummer: Well wait a minute, everybody is making brown- ie points, I move that we give it to Little Havana, let the gringo recommend. Mayor Ferre: Little Havana what? Mr. Plummer: Little Havana Activity Center. Mayor Ferre: They're not a bona fide agency. Mr. Plummer: Neither is the United Fund when they come here asking for money to try to administer their own. Mayor Ferre: Oh yes they are, J. L. Mr. Perez: I would like to present a motion that we appoint for the next year a committee appointed by five members, designated one by each member of this Commission to make the and the recommendation for the next Commission Meet- ing. Mayor Ferre: Mr. Manager, would you concur with that? Mr. Plummer: Well, that is a way to reduce the administra- tive costs. Mayor Ferre: Howard, what*we have does not work. Mr. Dawkins: staff. It doesn't .work because we don't listen to RT RA C7'3 M4 51984 Mr. Gary: If you just put another body there, I mean if you guys decide you're not going to ... Mr. Plummer: No, what that motion is basically doing is taking it out of the hands of Community Development. Mr. Gary: But still, the problem isn't Community Develop- ment, the problem is up here in terms of making a decision. Mr. Dawkins: Well, say it on the mike, don't say it under your breath. Mr. Gary: I wasn't saying it under my breath, the mike just wasn't on. The issue is, the problem is not Community Development and my staff, the problem is we can't make a decision here. So to add another layer, and you still can't make a decision or you don't accept our recommendation or anybody's recommendation, you've still got a problem, you're Just adding another layer. UNINTELLIGIBLE CONVERSATION Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, let's talk some turkey now. Okay? Let me tell you where the real problem is. This Commission is derelict in not telling staff what our policy is. Mayor Ferre: That's not so. Mr. Plummer: Oh yes it is. Excuse me, Mr. Mayor, staff comes up here without any direction from this Commission and makes its recommendations. Mayor Ferre: That's not so, that just simply is not so. This Commission has gone on record specifically and if You'll look at the record it is a very complicated very specific recommendation as to how these moneys will be allocated. And I want you to know, Mr. Plummer, that this goes back 4 years and you voted on the motion. And the motion is a very complicated very extensive very detailed instructions as to how to go about doing this. Mr. Plummer: No, the only thing you said was no new pro- grams. Mayor Ferre: No, we went through a public hearing, we discussed it, staff came back with recommendations and we adopted it as a formal policy of this City as to how to go about allocating these funds. Am I right or am I wrong, Mr. Manager? Mr. Gary: That's correct, and Mr. Mayor, if you read, I took exactly almost what Commissioner Plummer says. In my first report to you it says, The City Commission established the following projects we followed on the types of social services that would be funded with FRS Funds and Community Development Funds - feed the hungry, house the poor, exact words, heal the sick and create jobs. Mayor Ferre: Now, Mr. Manager, I beg your pardon. Prior to that motion and those words, this Commission three to four years ago, a previous Commission, went on record after a long series of hearings and adopted a precise formula based on ethnic basis, neighborhood basis, and we went through the whole ball of wax including what types of.... Mr. Plummer: It was not Federal Revenue Sharing, Maurice, it was Community Development on making target areas. Mayor Ferre: Was it Community Development? RT JAN 51X4 Mr. Plummer: Yes. Mayor Ferre: We've never done it for Federal Revenue Shar- ing? Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, today is more a joke than it has been a joke every year. After going through this comical - you know, that's what it is - this comical procedure, every- body wants to make a motion that next year we're going to do better. I've heard that motion for 14 years. Now, the problem is that every year there is less money, less money and more asking for more. Now, there is no magical formula. I say to you you you must set guidelines and priorities, which we've done. Now staff goes back, they take and dedi- cate the moneys to the food and medical and accessory and if there is any left over they will come back and say, we have X-number of dollars left over and these are the things, if you wish to call them turkeys we can hand out our turkeys after the main priorities are met. Mayor Ferre: Well, that will never happen. All right, Dena Spillman, I'll tell you what, I'll make one last motion here. I move that this City Commission adopt a set of policies for Federal Revenue Sharing for next year similar to the policy that we have previously adopted for Community Development and that Dena Spillman take the C. D. Policy, adapt it to Federal Revenue Sharing, taking into account the motion of Commissioner Plummer accepted by this Commission of feeding the hungry, those that are medically in need and the youth and the indigent - in that order, as I recall - and incorporating that but coming back with a formula that no one group gets more than a certain percentage, that no geographical area gets so much than a certain percentage and that the allocation be based on some kind of a formula. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, there is nothing I would rather vote for because I think it is fair but it is not practical. You are taking the eight target areas that exist in Communi- ty Development. That means that at the present time over $150,000 of that money, under that formula, would go to the downtown CBO. Okay? Or to the downtown area. Mayor Ferre: No. Mr. Plummer: It is one of the eight target areas. Mayor Ferre: No, that's not what I said. That's not what I mean. What I'm saying is that we take that formulae, forget the target areas, and have staff come back with specific general guidelines in general terms. That doesn't mean that downtown is getting anything, it means that we take a formu- lae and that we adapt a formula basis for how we're going to allocate these funds next year so that we don't get into this quagmire. Mr. Plummer: Can we take care of this year first? Mayor Ferre: We've already done that, that motion has already been made and passed. Mr. Plummer: But we haven't allocated it. Mayor Ferre: You" left that up to the Manager, sir, the way I understood the motion, and we all voted for it. Ms. Spillman: Could I add, in order that we don't have to spend as much time next time, can I get some clarification from you? If I could get some clarification so that we could make this process neater on the 18th, I believe it is, are we to consider new projects under your criteria or only old projects? RT $6 JA N 5 1984 Mr. Plummer: You're asking the maker of the motion the answer, and addressing exactly what I have in front of me, the only one you can address is Southwest. It addresses a food program and I have no problems with the stipulations put on there. Ms. Spillman: So we're to address all the applications. Mr. Plummer: Dena, in some cases.... Ms. Spillman: Then you wonder why I can't give you recom- mendations. Mr. Plummer: Well, I don't understand why you don't under- stand. Mayor Ferre: I think what the man is saying to you is the only one that fits food is Southwest. Ms. Spillman: That's fine, then the answer is yes, we consider new projects. Fine. Mayor Ferre: And, therefore, the answer is yes. Mr. Plummer: Okay. Ms. Spillman: Okay, second question. If it is only food related for the top priority, as you just mentioned, does HACAD tomorrow have the opportunity to run into my office and change their proposal? Mr. Plummer: No, no, as presented. Mayor Ferre: That's not fair. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, whatever is left over we will talk about. Okay? Now, do you have a better formulae? Ms. Spillman: Well, let me ask you this. If I say to you that hypothetically 39% of HACAD is food related... Mr. Plummer: I'll vote for that immediately. Ms. Spillman: What does related mean? Mr. Plummer: Food related, it is food, you're serving hungry people. Ms. Spillman: It means food? Mayor Ferre: It also means transporting the old people... Mr. Plummer: Right, that's what you've got to figure out, I can't. I don't know. Mayor Ferre: Well, on the one hand you say you want to set the policy and on the other hand you tell her to figure it out. Now which is it? Mr. Plummer: No, excuse me, Mr. Mayor, I don't know when it says 39% for food, I'm assuming that is food. Okay? Now, if they have transportation as an accessory... Ms. Spillman: Well, someone has to hand it out. Mayor Ferre: They've to clean the dishes, somebody has got to cook it, somebody has to.... RT 97 JA N 5 1984 Mr. Plummer: I understand all of that, so then it is 44% or 45%. Look, I'll tell you what I am willing to vote on right now. Okay? You take every one of these programs and take the percentage of that program that is food, medical or accessory and I'll vote on it right now. I'll vote on it right now. That's where I am. Then the rest of it we can talk about but by God, I want to feed the people and I want to take care of the sick first. You want to put me down for that so be it. Ms. Spillman: All right, I need to ask you this question again. Please, are people allowed to re -do their proposals or aren't they? Mr. Plummer: Absolutely not. How can you do that? Every one of them are going to come back 100% food. Ms. Spillman: That's fine, I just want to know, I just am asking the question. And one further question. Are agen- cies allowed to ask for additional funding? Mr. Plummer: No. Ms. Spillman: No additional, the book is closed. Okay. Mr. Plummer: Excuse me. Miami Jewish Home for the Aged had put in a different proposal prior to today. Excuse me, prior to today. I would accept that proposal as it stood before us today. Mayor Ferre: Oiy vay. Mr. Plummer: No, fair is fair. As it stood, as any appli- cation stood before us today. Mayor Ferre: Ringo, tell us how fair that is. Mr. Cayard: If it is possible for a few moments. Mayor Ferre: Sure. Mr. Cayard: The thing is that everybody has been talking about HACAD. My name is Ringo Cayard , 5700 N.W. 7th Ave- nue. Everybody has been talking about HACAD this, HACAD that, you know, which is fine. In that community we have enough problems already. We have been affected by the AIDS problem, we have been affected that Pink Eye a few years ago, we've been affected by people kicking the Haitians out on the streets just because they are Haitians. When you have an organization like HACAD which is the only one coming in front of the City and asking for some money, of course, a little bit of it has to go to the lawyers. Otherwise, if there is no lawyers they're going to keep on kicking us out of those apartments just because we are Haitian or somebody suspects that we have AIDS. So by being here and argumenting and all that, we understand that. You have a very hard task, you know, to perform, but, we also have some problems in the community. We are a new community and we have been trying for a long time to have and to be self- sufficient. We don't come in and beg for everything in the city all the time, this is a different community. There are rules and each rule has exceptions. We are not like the other communities and I want everybody to understand that. We are Haitians and we have a lot of problems to face. Mr. Plummer: Excuse me. Sir, I cannot let you make such a statement without putting on the record that your community is receiving the largest grant of money of all of this City. Mr. Cayard : Which is how much? 1010 RT 00 JA N 51984 6 6 Mr. Plummer: Immaterial. You and your community, the Haitian community are receiving $141,810 is what you've requested, that was granted and you are receiving more than Liberty City, you are receiving more than Overtown, you are receiving more than Coconut Grove, you are receiving more than Little Havana. Sir, I don't know how you can stand there and say that this Commission has not been fair with you. Mr. Cayard : I'm not saying you aren't fair, what I'm saying is that Martin Technical are receiving $175,000 which is more than the Haitian community and this is an institu- tion. Mr. Plummer: Sir, what I'm saying to you is you are in this funding the largest single recipient of all of the moneys. Mr. Cayard: The second largest, yes. Mr. Plummer: Who is the first? Mr. Cayard: Martin Technical College $175,000. Mr. Plummer: Oh, I stand corrected, you are correct, sir. I absolutely stand corrected. Mr. Cayard: But we have to understand this is a different community. We have been there for only 5 or 6 years trying to break out back to make a living out of it and the other communities don't have those problems such as AIDS, such as Pink Eyes, such as poor people or whatever you can call it. We have a lot of things to face, a lot of problems. So next year, if you want, that's fine, move on to some different subject to be taken care of for next year but at least you know for this year let's try to do something together. These people have been coming here since October back and forth and it is very impossible for them to work due to the fact that the lawyers are shaking, the people, the accountants are shaking, everybody is shaking in that office because they don't know what is going to happen to them and we just can't operate like that. We are dealing with 40 or 50,000 people who just arrived here trying to make something out of it. If nobody gives them a hand, how do you expect them to be self-sufficient? Mr. Plummer: Sir, this City Commission and administration have been shaking for a year because we knew this day was coming. We knew we did not have ample funds to meet the demand, the legitimate demand. Okay? So all I'm saying to you, sir, nobody is getting everything that they want. Mr. Cayard: We're not asking for everything, this was recommended for $153,000 not by us, that was recommended by the City Manager and by the organization. Mayor Ferre: Ringo, the Manager recommended something, he recommended funding for your program and you've got my vote. Okay? I think you've got Dawkins' vote. You need a third vote. And you have a third vote and I'm just telling you right off the bat that you have three votes for the full funding. Mr. Cayard: Mr. Plummer: ahead. Thank you. You're An great shape, stop while you're Mayor Ferre: So, you know,'now that obviously screws up all of the stuff that we've told Dena and this is why I keep JAN 51984 RT i 6 telling you that we are going around in a circle like we always do on these issues because they are so difficult and I think the only thing really to do is to go back to the Manager's recommendation and follow it or if we're not going to do that then go by professional staff's recommendation and then we ought to get another professional staff and that is why I recommend the United Way. And if that's not ac- ceptable, fine, then we go through this every year. Don't complain. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I've got to put o the record, if we were to go with the Manager's recommendation cutting every program 26%. Okay? That's one thing, but I want to tell you we have gone through five different processes today. I must say to you that I am embarrassed. I am embarrassed that this Commission cannot have the wisdom, whether you agree with me or disagree with me, there seems to be, as you say, going around in circles and that's all we're continuing to do. I say to you that something more - you're telling me that which you voted for and asked staff to bring back on the 18th is not going to work. Then I say to you everything that we have done today us for naught. So let's do some- thing. Dawkins says he isn't coming back to another one of these Federal Revenue Sharing Meetings, Carollo was maybe smarter than all of us, and I don't mean that derogatorily, he wasn't here. Okay? Now, let's just... Mayor Ferre: J. L., there's only way to do this, you've got to bite the bullet. We've got to follow professional staff's recommendation and if you don't like professional staff fire them and get another new professional staff. Mr. Plummer: Maybe then that's the answer. Mayor Ferre: I've made both of those motions, I've made the motion one to follow the Manager's recommendation right down to the end or for next year to turn it over to the United Way and have them recommend to the Manager and then let the Manager evaluate their recommendation. Now, either one is acceptable to me but.... Mr. Plummer: Neither one are acceptable. Mayor Ferre: Unless we do something like that then we get into the realms of pressure politics. Nobody wants to offend their friends. I don't want to offend HACAD, I don't want to offend Allapattah, I don't want to offend the dif- ferent groups. The Puerto Rican community is going to furious if they don't get funding for ASPIRA. The guys are angry because the black community doesn't get funding for something else. We're always in the same circle. Mr. Plummer: Okay, let me come at it backwards. Mayor Ferre: The only way to do this is to get out of the realm of politics and get into the realms of staff recommen- dations and follow it. Mr. Plummer: Let me come at it backwards. Let me try this one on for size. I am willing right now to vote for the staff recommendation less the 26% which would bring it to the $515,000, if all moneys that went to these programs could only be used for food or medical or accessory. That I'll vote for. Mayor ferre: I'll accept that as a motion, if you get a second I'll go along with it. Mr. Plummer: I'll move it. In other words HACAD gets $108,000 less 26% which everybody is going to take a 26% RT JAN 51984 0 6 cut, and that all of those dollars must be allocated for food, medical or accessory which is transportation. You get your full funding. I've got no problem with that. Mayor Ferre: Is there a second to that motion? There's three of us left on this Commission now so it requires, you've got to have three votes. If you don't get a second then you don't have it. Is there a second to that motion? Mr. Plummer: I tried. Mayor Ferre: Is there a second for that motion? Mr. Plummer: I'll just withdraw the motion, I'll make it easier. 9. DISCUSSION OF MARCH 13th BOND ISSUE Mayor Ferre: Wait, we have another thing. Plummer, Plummer, a motion of intent of the City Commission to place the following general obligation bond issue on the March 13, 1984 Presidential Preference Primary Ballot, $30,000,000 Parks and Recreation Facility Bonds, .... Now, I am calling a Special Commission Meeting for the purposes of on a pre- liminary basis, a motion of intent of putting these matters on the March 13th ballot. Now how much are yoU recommending for Police Bonds, Mr. Manager? Mr. Gary: $20,000,000 Mayor Ferre: All right, $30,000,000 for Parks and Recrea- tion, $20,000,000 for Police and $10,000,000 for Park West Redevelopment Bonds. Mr. Gary: Yes, sir. Mayor Ferre: I thought you said it was $5,000,000 for Park West, do you want to go up to $10,000,000? Mr. Gary: No, it is $10,000,000 because that's the motion that Commissioner Plummer made. Mayor Ferre: All right, is there a second? Mr. Dawkins: For what? Mayor Ferre: That we place on the March 13th ballot.... Mr. Dawkins: No way, no, I don't second that and I'll vote against it. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, let me tell you what I will vote for. Mr. Mayor, I will vote a motion of intent to reserve the space on the March Presidential Primary Ballot with the figures to be implemented at a later time. Mr. Gary: It could be changed, this is just for advertis- ing. Mr. Plummer: Yes, to start the wheels which we can cancel at any time, but to start the wheels in motion I'll vote for it. Mayor Ferre: All right, $30,000,000 for Parks, how much do you want to put for Police? You have to have a figure, you could change it, but by law you have to have a figure. UNINTELLIGIBLE CONVERSATION. Mr. Gary: Mr. Mayor, all I'm asking you today to do is to do something legally that will allow me to put an ad in the paper because I cannot do it in time because you changed the W JAN 51984 • 41 meeting dates. This just allows me to put the ad in the paper. Mayor Ferre: Give me the figures. You want to put $30,000,000 for Parks. Mr. Gary: $30,000,000 for Parks, $20,000,000 for Police, $10,000,000, you can change it later, it is just the adver- tising process. Mr. Plummer: Question, can we up it later? Mayor Ferre: No, I don't think so. Mr. Gary: Yes. Mayor Ferre: You can go down, you can't go up. Mr. Clark: The problem, Mayor, is that the 26th Meeting will be the last date upon which the ordinance can be read on second reading and 10 days before the 26th there must be published the title of the ordinance that will be passed on the 26th and that should have figures in it. We need to have that before the Meeting of the 19th in order to comply with the 10-day rule, the City Clerk wants to have an ex- pression from the City Commission and we need it for our legal purposes in order to pass an ordinance prior to the 26th of January. Mr. Gary: For the public hearing. Mr. Dawkins: If we do not build a substation which the Manager is against in Liberty City I'm not voting for no bonds. That's why I'm saying up here now we've got to know where we're coming from. Mayor Ferre: Miller, I'll vote with you on that right now and then the Manager is going to do it. Make a motion.... Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, under discussion, let me express to you something that I would have preferred not to but I guess I have to. I am concerned, very concerned with Proposition 1. Do I have to say anymore? Mayor Ferre: Yes, you have to say more because Proposition 1 is not on March 13th. Mr. Plummer:- But I do feel, you remember that Proposition 1 speaks to ad valorem taxes. Are we going to be misunder- stood that the City is going to circumvent Proposition 1, if passed, by passing bond issues? Mayor Ferre: No, because they can only go to capital expen- ditures, as you know. Mr. Plummer: Okay, you know, the saving factor, if it is made known, is that doing through a bond issue the public has the right to speak. Mayor Ferre: Of course. Therefore, I move you, sir, that the City of Miami place the following General Obligation Bond Issue on the March 13, 1984 Presidential Preference Primary Ballot: (1) $30,000,000 for Parks and Recreation Facilities Bonds, (2) $20,000,000 for Police Headquarters and Crime Prevention Bonds and (3) $10,000,000 for Park West Redevelopment Bonds, and I so move. RT JAN 51984 Mr. Gary: Mr. Mayor, as I said before, this only permits me to advertise for a public hearing for the next meeting where we would be considering these bonds. You can change them, this is just to permit advertising for a public hearing. Mayor Ferre: And I.recommend that you allow the Manager to advertise, to have a public hearing and at the end you can decide what you want. Mr. Plummer: But what you're indicating, Mr. Mayor, is that you can go down but you can't go up. Mayor Ferre: I'm not sure of that legally, J. L., but I do think that it might be subject to some kind of a legal.... Mr. Gary: They can change it, nothing can bind the Commis- sion. Mayor Ferre: Nothing is binding, but I think it would be foolish for us to put a low figure and then go up, I would rather put $20,000,000, you can go down to $8,000,000 if you want, I don't care and I'm telling Commissioner Dawkins that I'm voting not only in Liberty City but in Little Havana for a sub -station. Now, I so move so we can get this for a public hearing. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, I'll tell you what I'll vote on. I'll vote on 25, 15 and 10. Mayor Ferre: I accept that. $25,000,000 for Parks, $15,000,000 for Police and $10,000,000 for Park West. Plummer moves, is there a second? Mr. Plummer: With the full understanding that these can go up or down at a later date. Mr. Perez: (Inaudible) ... how they are going to spend that money and about the sub -station... Mr. Plummer: Oh, we're going to go all through that. Mayor Ferre: Oh yes, and we're going to have a public hearing and the whole thing. Mr. Perez: Okay. Mayor Ferre: Seconded by Commissioner Perez. Further discussion? Call the roll. Mr. Plummer: And before you call the roll, I want to go on the record that I am also in favor of the sub -station. The following motion was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: MOTION NO. 84-11 A MOTION OF INTENT OF THE CITY COMMIS- SION TO PLACE THE FOLLOWING GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS ISSUE ON THE MARCH 13, 1984 "PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE PRIMARY" BALLOT: 1. $25,000,000 PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES BONDS; 2. $15,0001000 POLICE HEADQUARTERS & CRIME PREVENTION BONDS; AND 3. $101000,000 PARK WEST REDEVELOPMENT BONDS RT'^JAN 51984 Upon being seconded by Commissioner Perez, the motion was passed and adopted by the following vote - AYES: Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Vice -Mayor Demetrio Perez, Jr. Mayor Maurice A. Ferre NOES: None. ABSENT: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner Joe Carollo Mayor Ferre: Now, Mr. Manager, just for the record because I have a question here from..... Mr. Manager, the First Methodist Church Food Program in downtown Miami, it says it is not recommended for funding. Dena? It is recommended, so why are you saying.... No, but it is recommended. No, you're not out, ma'am, you're getting the funding. Yes, Luis UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I have a question, I would like to know what you mean by medical. What you include in medical because that is very important because you will have also clinics that work as counseling sessions and also medical. I would like to know what medical means. Mr. Plummer: What medical means at my interpretation is that something, for example, that would qualify for hospitalization. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: That means that also includes counseling that can be in the hospitalization, counsel- ing for people that have crises... Mr. Plummer: No, counseling is not permitted, it is not a permitted use under hospitalization insurance. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: In other words those funds should be used only with medical, in other words with doctors, that kind of personnel. Mr. Plummer: A person that is sick, I'm not saying mentally. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Not mentally, Okay. But that is the impression that the staff has, that is very impor- tant and when they made that recommendation I would like to know if that is their.... Mr. Plummer: And I thank you for bringing that up. Excuse me, here again, I want you to fully understand that from what I see not all of the money is going to be allocated under that formula. There is going to be moneys left over and then you can qualify or vie for it. INAUDIBLE CONVERSATION. Mr. Plummer: No, you don't need that motion of 26% reduction because the motion of the Commission of $515,000 is still a standing motion, that is the 26%. The first motion before this Commission was that we cannot spend more than a total of $515,000. UNINTELLIGIBLE CONVERSATION Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, they want me to make a motion again which I say is superfluous but I'll do it, that the Manager's recommendation less the 26% which brings RT 94 JAN 51984 us to the $515,000 again - that's all the money we've got, Howard, how the hell can you spend more? Mr. Gary: No, you need to have that clear. Mr. Plummer: Well, we ain't got anybody here. It was clear to me. Mr. Clerk, was not the first motion before this Commission passed unanimously that the Manager could not spend more than $515,000? Mr. Gary: That's understood, but the process, J. L. Mr. Plummer: Has that been rescinded? Mr. Ongie: No. Mr. Plummer: Has that in any way been altered? Mr. Ongie: No. Mr. Plummer: Thank you. Mr. Gary: But there was a difference. The difference in what you just asked him and what you just said to me was that you're going to take the Manager's recommenda- tion less 26% which would bring us to $515,000 as long as everybody uses food. Mr. Plummer: It's the same. Mr. Gary: No, there is a difference though. Mr. Plummer: I said the Manager's recommendation less the 26%.... Look, let me give you an example. Okay? I've got the exact figures.... I don't have them. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION, THE MEETING WAS ADJOURNED AT 4:40 O'CLOCK P.M. ATTEST: Ralph G. Ongie CITY CLERK Natty Hirai ASSISTANT CITY CLERK RT Maurice A. Ferre N A Y O R 9 JAN 51984