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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC 1987-09-24 Minutes'7 ; ? �r a+ 7 CITY OF MIAM1. FLORIDA INTER -OFFICE MEMORANDUM �O Cesar Odio GATE $eptember 28, 1987 �'LE City Manager SUBJECT !Miami Capital/Liberty ,� City Meeting FRo REFERENCES • Walter Foeman Assistant City Clerk ENCLOSURES Enclosed herein please find a copy of minutes of the meeting held last Thursday, September 24, 1967 regarding Miami Capital loans to merchants in Liberty City. WF:sl cc: Wally Lee, Executive Assistant Aurelio Perez-Lugonez, Legislative Administrator Carlos Smith, Technical Services Administrator Frank Castaneda, Director, Community Development I The following is a transcript of a special meeting requested by Commissioner Carollo, held in the Miami City Hall Chambers, September 24, 1987 to discuss Miami Capital Loans for Liberty City. NOTE FOR THE RECORD: At 7:00 p.m., after making his statement, Commissioner Dawkins left the meeting. At 7:05 p.m., after making her statement, Commissioner Kennedy left the meeting. Reverend Tom Ferguson: Is Mr. Carollo around? Mr. Henry Jackson (Off mike): Yes, he'll be here. Reverend Ferguson: OK, well, we aren't just finished then. Mr. Jackson (Off mike): Right. Reverend Ferguson: OK, we're just starting. Sir? Mr. Reese: There's a lot of people will be here and they're on their way here. We had scheduled a meeting with the Mayor last - night and he did not show and we scheduled a special meeting for today and he still haven't showed. Mr. Joe Celestin: If we have three Commissioners, can we act? Commissioner Dawkins (Off mike): What? Mr. Celestin: If there's three Commissioners in , can we act? Mr. Dawkins (Off mike): Yes, you can act, but I'm just going to tell you this, I will be here Monday night with the Mayor. Mr. Reese: Commissioner Dawkins. Mr. Dawkins: Yes, sir. Mr. Celestin: All right, my next question, where would this... Mrs. Kennedy: The City, I feel, has some very grave concerns. There are a lot of issues that need to be heard, that need to be worked on and solutions need to be found. Now, I came just to tell you that I can't stay tonight because of a previous commitment, but I understand there's a special session called for Monday night and I intend to be here. I just wanted to let you know that I am aware that there are problems and I'm doing everything in my power that I can to solve them. Good night. Mr. Reese: Just a second, Commissioner. Reverend Ferguson: I'm the Reverend Ferguson representing the 'Xi committee. When you were elected, we supported you and we. are °; still being supportive of this community . as law abiding% taxpayers. This emergency meeting was called, Commissioner Carollo and Commissioner Miller Dawkins were there last evening. We have asked and we were insulted by Pablo, the director, of Miami Capital Development continuously lying to the community, to us. And we only ask to be heard tonight with.compaasion, -with understanding, and I realize that there's an election going one r but there's a community out, there that's ready to explode, and } j we're trying to keep the lid on it. We're only asking what is due to us since 1980 after the last civil disturbing. And five or ten minutes, that's all we need for you to hear and we'll kpo:r h t to do from these That's all Thank you We'll know whist w a to do from there. Mrs. Kennedy: Can I ask you what's the difference boil tonight's meeting and Monday night's? Reverend Forduson: socause it's a .lot of 01fforont becau8t 4 ? hove bests dewing with ibis for threetl�ek►=�► h4Y -sap dsal �►g with Rigs i Capital Development, the "v b}e�em f ,. Cox 1 kpft01110,0tJ. s,� t� �� with falsified statistics. We cried out to the Commissioners, we asked them to come last night so we are here. And that's all I'm saying, Commissioner Kennedy. Mrs. Kennedy: All right, for my part let me just tell you that this is the first time that I did not attend a meeting that I was notified. The other meeting that you held, I never heard about it until I read the morning papers, it's the following day. I called my office and i said why didn't I know that this was going on? And they said that they had not received - my office had not received any notice. This is the only time - another meeting I have to go to, the D.D.A. downtown at seven o'clock and I just can't do it. But I will be here on Monday. Reverend Ferguson: Well, we wanted to be able to hear - let all the Commissioners know our concerns since the Mayor and Pablo is the only one have been dealing with. The other Commissioners not aware of what's going on. It seems there is a lack of communication, a lack of sincerity and we are here being sincere, we prayed four days ago, we had a prayer and march. And now we are here for action) Mrs. Kennedy: Right, well before we meet on Monday night, I promise that I will meet with Pablo from Miami Capital and I'll be well informed and we'll go over everything and hopefully, we can work something out on Monday night. Reverend Ferguson: Tell them who you are. Mr. Vernon Quinn: She know who I am. Would you do us the honor and have the Miami Capital Pablo and his board here Monday night? Since we're going to be put off Monday night, now we would like to have what it takes to get the problem solved or get started to working on the problem. Would you do that for us please? Mrs. Kennedy: I'll make sure that one of the representatives is at this meeting... Reverend Ferguson: We want the loan committee because parts of the loan committee are the ones who have received loans and we want to know why - they are in a position as loan committee members to receive monies coming to the black community. We want to know why. Mrs. Kennedy: The Manager has just advised me that they will be here tonight. Reverend Ferguson: They are here? Mr. Celestin: The loan committee is here. Mr. Odio: The chairman of the board is here and I'm sure that if I request them, they will be here Monday night too. Mr. Juan del Cerro: We have - the policies of Miami Capital Development, they're not set by Mr. Peres Cisneros, they're not by the board of directors of Miami Capital and they're executed by the executive director. I am the chairman of the board, We've met, we've decided what we're going to"do and 'I believe I've talked to Mr. Quinn. I"don't believe I know who you are", sir. I've talked to Mr. Quinn. Reverend Ferguson: Well, you'll find out who I am in a few, minutes! Mr. del Cerro: Well, my discussions with Mr. Quinn indicated that Miami Capital's board was in agreement with almost . everything he said, So I don't see why there has to 4*"a" confrontation here". There are no Commissioners here ah"d `let '1We _,. remind"-you9Ae thing �that' is very, very important. Niami`. Capital Development is a private not for profit aotcp9r4tiomthe hh# i contract with the City of Miami. The loan# _ that lve maki 'r . CXX are based on guidelines established by this Commission, by EDA, and by HUD. We've already agreed on the monies to be spent, the rate of interest to be obtained, the simplified loan approvals, the 14-day disbursement, the 3-10 year payment, the moratorium on the payment of principle and interest, and we're willing to discuss anything you want, but not in a confrontational situation. Mr. Vernon Quinn: OK, my name is Quinn. Vernon Quinn. Mr. del Cerro: Nice to meet you, sir. Mr. Quinn: OK, we have communicated over the phone. Mr. del Cerro: Yes, sir, we have. Mr. Quinn: You agreed with everything except A and E. Mr. del Cerro: What's A and E? Mr. Quinn: That's the amount of the loan of $250,000. You don't want to increase the amount of two hundred and fifty thousand and you want to keep the maintain of $20,000 cap. And we disagreed with that the first time - we had turned that down the first time the Mayor had offered that to us and we turn it down today. Mr. Celestin: Well, there's a key question. If the City of Miami has nothing to do with... Reverend Ferguson: One moment... Mr. Celestin: ... the money is from the City of Miami. Reverend Ferguson: That statement you made, sir, as far as funds that was geared for the black community since 1980, set up with the cooperation of the City of Miami, we don't have anyone in Miami Capital Development who are sensitive enough to the needs of black folks. Who are down there to really represent and"who appoint these individuals to look over the welfare of the black community. Mr. del Cerro: Once again, I must remind you, Mr. Ferguson, that Miami Capital Development is a private corporation. Miami Capital Development is not under any circumstance... Mr. Celestin: Is it funded by who? Mr. del Cerro: Miami Capital Development has a contract with the City of Miami and has had a contract since, I believe, 1979 to service... Reverend Ferguson: We'll wait because I don't - that's federal funds coming down... Mr. del Cerro: Absolutely. Reverend Ferguson: OK, but say that, please. Mr. del Cerro: Well, you and I agree on every - I agree with everything you say. I further agree that there isn't enough money. Mr. Henry Jackson: Can we wait about ten minutes? Mr. del Cerro: Sure. But I'm bore to answer any questions you may have as president of Miami Capital and I have most of my board here. So, I'm ready when you are. Mr. Quinn: You can answer the questions when we got t'h9so . that' are'supposed'to be there .seated, OK? sc:: Mr. del Cerro: It's their money. COX 3 i Mr. Jackson: About ten minutes, ten minutes. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKERS: It's our money. NOTE FOR THE RECORD: Commissioner Carollo entered the meeting at 7:19 p.m. at which time he was the only Commissioner present. Commissioner Carollo: Commissioner Plummer should be here in about two or three minutes. As you all requested last evening, since there was a meeting that was called last night that the representatives from Miami Capital did not attend, it was requested that the people of this community, the people that live In Miami wanted to come before the City Commissioners and express their feelings and to ask the Commission to help with the emergency situation that exists in Liberty City. What this Commissioner did was what was requested of me by the people of this community, the people that I represent. I am here tonight for that reason, Commissioner Plummer is on his way. I understand that Commissioner Kennedy could not be here for more than fifteen minutes. She had stated that to us previously and we asked her to stay as long as she possibly could. My understanding is that Mayor Suarez stated that he wanted the meeting held on Monday evening which I will also be here Monday evening. That would be no problem, however, if a quorum of the Commission would be here today, the Commission can taken action tonight. As I stated, there is one other member of the Commission that will be coming bringing to two the quorum that will be here. I cannot speak for anyone else. They might have very legitimate reasons why they cannot be here tonight. Basically, what I would like to do is just wait two more minutes and the Commissioner should be here just then, and then ask the people from Miami Capital that are present here to - here's Commissioner Plummer. NOTE FOR THE RECORD: Commissioner Plummer entered the meeting at 7:22 p.m. At this time, two Commissioners are present. Applause. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Carollo, for the record, if I may. I understand and I am told that there was a memo read by Commissioner Dawkins and I would ask that that memo be read again for my benefit, please. Does anybody have a copy of it? Reverend Ferguson: Yes. Mr. Plusuaer: May I see it or... I don't apologize for being late, we had a commitment, a City commitment at seven o'clock; this was on very short notice that this morning I received a phone call from the City Manager informing him - informing me that he would ask us to be here this evening at the request of Co"Issioner Carollo at seven o'clock for the potential calling of a special Commission sleeting. Trying to read without glasses doesn't work too well. Sorry for being old, that I apologize for. Mr. Carollo: That's what happens for being sixteen years on the Commission. Mr. Plummer: Seventeen. Also, your memory goes, Joe. Mr. Carollo: A little bit. Not too bad, to be one year off. Mr. Plususer: All right, Commissioner Carollo, if I can... Or. Carollo: Certainly. Mr. Plummer: ,...-to establish the record, I would Ilk* to du sash.. !iy 17 year history of the biaai City Co-j elan# � ha�r� r� always and will cont:imnt tp +always respond to, say. ot, , . �� < . Colleagues who teal the urgency and the need . pit a. ,p'x► C59 1 wiry-k,��:• 4 • • problem to be presented to this Commission. That's what we're elected for, that's why I'm here now and I always will be and always have been. I am nobody's Commissioner. Carollo is my friend and others on this Commission I also consider friends. But nobody on this City Commission own me. The only people own me are my two daughters. And that's the way it's going to be. Applause. Mr. Plummer: And beyond that expense, I can't afford any more. Ladies and gentlemen, there are rules and regulations and procedures which this Commission has always abided by. We are a country of laws. The charter is very explicit. Only the Mayor has the right to call a special Commission meeting of this Commission and if he does not see the need, three members of this Commission have that right to call a special Commission meeting. If that is to be done, the charter, and you correct me if I'm wrong, the charter states that the scope of that call shall be registered prior to the meeting and the emergency must be declared as to why this meeting is an emergency and cannot take the regular course of action as done in normal, everyday procedure before this Commission. It is my understanding that, that cannot be possible this evening, so there will be no need for a scope to be developed. There cannot be a quorum because it is my understanding that the Mayor will not be present. Commissioner Dawkins has left the chambers and as I drove in, Commissioner Kennedy was leaving the grounds. I would hope that whatever the problem and - I'm very much aware of what the problem is, that we could take the norm and so this Commission could be informed. The norm is that the City Manager is asked to look into matters to investigate, to report back to this Commission his findings, together with his recommendations and then this Commission can intelligently, through good deliberation, come to some conclusion which we feel is for the benefit of all the people we serve. I would hope tonight that, that would be the conclusion. We do have obligations this evening which was called on very short notice. That obligation starts in four minutes. It is not a political party, it is a City function sponsored by this City for which each and I, and I'm sure Commissioner Carollo, have an obligation to represent this City at a function which we are sponsoring. I came here fully prepared to forego that if an emergency was declared and if such, I would still stay here all night as I have done with many of you in this room. But I don't think that that's going to come about this evening. So Commissioner Carollo, I would say to you and to the people here gathered, there is the need, there has been the need and I would hope that we could act like reasonable, Intelligent people to do as we have in the normal procedure that is perceived.. To ask the City Manager to look into this matter for us, to investigate, to come back with his findings and his recommendations where we will have, at least, a minimum of five days is the charter to read over, to digest, to ask questions -and then come to this table for a logical and good conclusion.- From that point, I have nothing more to say. Reverend Ferguson: Commissioner Plummer. Mr. Carollos Mr. Ferguson, if I may for a minute, sir. Reverend Ferguson: Quite so. Mr. Carollo: I appreciate very much the Commissioner.beiog-able to come here tonight. At the same time, as I was sayings;. before Commissioner Plummer came La, this meeting, Commissioner, -wa-$. called by. the people of . Liberty City. What I did by Informing #ad asking the rest of- the Commission to be present here gop,igb; was being the ,messenger of the people that I represent'#_ =that ws all represent in the City of- NIOMIi- -particularly the .:psople_,';that are► in this aee4, the a�erchsnts . of Liberty-. Ci,tt:,.:- •�rhe,. Commissioner .is :sight . tbat_ we -have commitmsuts tomiglit 'at, =$IQQ _. P.M. at a City �� sponsored function, nowover_,- sad �;wo... j. precious commitment that we both bad 4A at : F7404ry�,s}�_ 059e — _ v��•S s:i' y:_4N h t.mal- a . r.Y: ;.7 +•:1: }T r,..:4;� �„eti+c:;. K:i:..." 'FC &_:. P;. ;. ' k.. ! .. • earlier this evening. That's why we were fifteen minutes late. However, we also have a commitment, a major commitment to the merchants and people of Liberty City, and this is why I will be willing to stay here tonight and listen for as long as I need to stay. We cannot take any actions with a quorum of two here tonight as Commissioner Plummer stated. In order to call a special Commission meeting, if the Mayor does not call it, you need a quorum of three. Some of the other members of the Commission had to leave, could not stay. What I think that needs to be done, howevbr, before we could meet again and have a quorum, and since we're going to have this time in between obviously, is that we need to make sure that we are informed. 1, for one, have not received any information from Miami Capital as to any kind of loan programs they were coming up with. I had to read about it in the paper and people calling me about supposedly $250,000 that were being put into a pilot program. Now, what I have done in the meantime is inquire since last night when we met and this morning, I've inquired of the legal department to research at the guidelines that Miami Capital has to follow from the City Commission from the City of Miami, and while we cannot demand right now of Miami Capital to do certain things, Miami Capital has to come to this Commission on a yearly basis, and they have to come back to this Commission in January of 1988, and if Miami Capital does not see fit to do, which I hope is not the case, whatever the wishes of the people of Liberty City, is and the wishes of the majority of the members of the Miami City Commission, then this Commission has the right when Miami Capital comes back in January, to place additional guidelines of how they want Miami Capital to run and what restrictions or non restrictions they want to be placed on the loans to be given out. Now, I am willing to... Mr. Plummer: Joe, let me, if I may for the record. Mr. Carollo: Yes. Mr. Plummer: I have reread the memo of the Mayor. I am willing to meet Monday night, Mr. City Manager. My schedule is clear. When I was called this afternoon and asked if my schedule was clear, I indicated that it was and I would keep it clear. I want that in the full knowledge that I'm only available Monday night if you have had the time to investigate, come forth with your findings and recommendations to this Commission in adequate time that I, as an intelligent individual, can sit down, whatever I am limited by my intelligence, and digest that which is the problem. I, like Commissioner Carollo, was unaware of what transpired except for a courtesy call, and I read about it in the paper afterwards. I think people need to know one thing and I'll conclude. Miami Capital is a semi -autonomous board away from the Miami City Commission. We do control their budget and we do control certain things. We do not - we do not control their loan policies, their amount of capital or their ways of collection. That is empowered by other authority. Now, Commissioner Carollo, I don't know which way you want to proceed. I would hope that the City - Mr. City Manager... Mr. Odio (Off mike): One second please, I need to look at something... I'll give you an answer if I can or not. Mr. Carollo: Well, while the City !tanager In looking iato:_that, let me just take another minute to to over .briefly some. of .the areas that I again asked the City legal department to .rssearah. "City of.Miami Commission has the right to do the followings •tits the right to ratify the board of directors of Miami Capital., To approve-. theis budget on a yearly basis.. To ratity..•loao guidelines on a yearly basis is a judicial audit. The .preseRt loan guid.elizes are, it's 50 percent fiaanciag, collateral,, f i4aacial statsmente, personal guaraptees," As I u44oret:a:nd,,At,; the proposed: -psis! project for the $250,000 that Mae for . the M04e1 Cities +rap 190 percent f ipsaoing, twenty,- .00. GOP on:, . e,acb . lo.+aa, limited collateral, credit Chou oa3y; mandatory one year is business and 3 percent loan for three ton years and a sic month grace period. ON 6 dttssb?eta. ll:. h��d.u: 0 • Reverend Ferguson: Joe Commissioner. Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, Mr. City Manager, I would ask of you, sir, if it is possible that this evening, as I depart and I'm going to depart to live up to my obligation and commitment to a City sponsored event, is it possible that you and staff could stay here for an hour or two to hopefully take advantage of these people that are here this evening. Advantage in the right way. And hear their complaints to get you that far ahead of the game so possibly we could meet again on Monday and you could come forth with it over the weekend to us as far as what has transpired and what you recommend. Is that possible? Mr. Odio: Yes, air. Mr. Plummer: OK, thank you. Mr. Carollo: I think that, well, a quorum is not here, a lot of constructive things can still come from this get together that you've all requested whereas you have the City Attorney, the City Manager and the executive director from Miami Capital here. So I'm willing to stay additional time and try to coordinate some of the needs that are here tonight and Commissioner, since you're going to arrive to our other engagement that we have commitments for, if you could tell them that... Mr. Plummer: I will so inform them. Mr. Carollo: ... I will be there sometime tonight. Reverend Ferguson: We would like to thank Commissioner Plummer. Mr. Plummer: Dr. Ferguson, we haven't seen you here in a long time. Reverend Ferguson: That's right, and I have a reason for not being here. Mr. Plummer: All right, sir. Reverend Ferguson: But I would like to thank you... Mr. Plummer: Wait a minute, excuse me, I'm going to take a personal privilege. Reverend Ferguson: OK. Mr. Plummer: And I want to establish a record. Dr. Ferguson, are you the same Tom Ferguson that is the campaign treasurer for one of my opponents? Reverend Ferguson: Yes, I'm the campaign - yes, yes, sir. Mr. Plummer; Thank you, sir. Are you also the same Tom Ferguson who has called meetings in the past two weeks on hours, not days, notice knowing fully well that these Commissioners had obligations that we could not make and yet turned around to the press and said, look, they don't give a damn, they're not here. Who handed me a paper in the northeast when we were at' i very Important meeting called duly and timed, and gave me a piece of paper expecting me to show up the next evening, and gave me a phone number that didn't answer when I tried the `courtesy of's call to return. I want to tell you, Dr. Ferguson, this smacks of politics! ' And I want to tell you, we baventt seen you around here for a long time. It is amazing, and I guess, coincidental that suddenly' when you become a treasurer for one of my opponents, you suddenly emerge on the scene and become A'. champion: l,et me tell you one of my atbes opponents I have to _ sdnire. At least he had to come here and to make an appearance and to make a request. Cox aoFis- i,% � a Reverend Ferguson: I think that's the kind of attack that this Commission... Mr. Plummer% No, air, it's not an attack. Have I said anything that... Reverend Ferguson: wait a minute! Let me say something! I think this is the kind of attack that you Commissioners, for the last three or four years, everytime someone come in to make a presentation, that's why you haven't seen me, because this has been a farcel Yes, I am the chairman of Mendoza's campaign which has nothing to do with this. This community asked me to represent them herel Mr. Plummer: Dr. Ferguson, have I said anything, sir, that... anything... Reverend Ferguson: Yes, you have said, out of contentsl This is a free country and you're taking a slap at the people out here who are requesting funds: You're taking a - and I can stand that - I can stand that! Mr. Plummer% Have I said anything, Dr.... Reverend Ferguson: Yes, you have said something) And you're wrong! You're wrong, Commissioner Plummerl Mr. Plummer: Have I said anything, sir, that is incorrect? Reverend Ferguson: And thank you for being here and I think we don't want you to miss your engagement, but I'll tell you one thing, come out there looking for votes! Mr. Carollo: Well, if I'm... Mr. Plummer: Have I said - wait a minute, excuse me, I'd like to give him the opportunity to correct any statement that I have made. Reverend Ferguson: Yes, I'm trying to correct it. Mr. Plummer: I will wait, sir. Reverend Ferguson: I am trying... I gave you the same kind of information... Mr. Celestin: Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me - hold it, Tom, Tom... Reverend Ferguson: I gave the same information to Commissioner Carollo, I gave the same information -to !Mayor Suarez. If. you i- could not make it, fine. But I'm saying this, if youcannot represent all of the community, don't come out looking for votes k and I'll say that to everybody. Mr. Carollo: Well, OK, Commissioner... - Mr. Plummer: I'll stand. I Reverend Ferguson: And I'm the one that stopped the rioting when t Novell -Johnson was killedl I funeralized,himl- Mr. Carollo% Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, gentlemen, if i may. �T Mr. Celestin: Commissioner... Mr.:Carollo: Humber, omo, for... yk Mr. Celestin: Commissioner Plummer. Mr. Carollo% Crontlemon, Mr. Celestin: I think this .is quite personal. We're not here to discuss the matter about who is the gentleman campaigning for, who he represents. The matter is here to discuss that we have to do with the business - black business people in Liberty City. I did not see the need to mention what you've mentioned, to bring all that up. It was not important, that was not important. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Can you say anything good about him? Mr. Plummer: Yes, sir. Yes, sir, he was a very fine City employee and I respect him for his inability... Mr. Celestin: Well, let's get down to what we're here for. Mr. Plummer: Yes, oh no, no, no. I've known Tom Ferguson for a long time. Mr. Celatin: OK. Mr. Plummer: OK? And he was a fine City employee. He was a fine policeman. But I just have to wonder... Mr. Celestin: Commissioner Plummer, I'd like to speak with the manager of the Miami Capital for a moment. Mr. Plummer: All right, sir. Mr. Carollo: OK, can - before we start, number one, let me say this, I have the utmost respect for my colleague, Commissioner _Plummer. I think he's one of the straightest and most sincere elected officials that I've seen in this county. At the same time, I think, Dr. Ferguson is a very sincere man. What I think that we need to do here is completely forget about some of the other things and concentrate on some of the individual business owners that are here. The people that are affected, the people that requested this hearing tonight. Whatever questions are asked from people of the City Administration, from people of Miami Capital, ask whatever you may want to ask, but let's do it with dignity, decorum, and let's do it in a way that's not insulting. And to the Administration, the people of Miami Capital, I say likewise. We could handle this in a professional manner without going to extremes of either type here. I know that the people here have great frustration, frustrations because they've seen that years pass and promises that were made to them haven't been kept. But on the other hand they see that supposedly monies that were put aside for the people, the merchants in Liberty City, instead many times have gone, as they explained to me yesterday, to others that don't live in Liberty City that are not Black. And these monies were earmarked for that, and I think they have some areas that will be presented tonight to the people of Miami Capital that should be looked upon, so, if we may, let's proceed about this in an orderly fashion. Mr. Plummer: Joe, let me only ask one question, and I will respect your right, of course. Don't you feel that it would-be better that the entire Commission hear the pleas of the community? Now, I'm just saying that to you. Mr. Celestin; That would be the right way to do business. Mr. Plummer: I agree with that, sir. Mr. Celestin: What we basically want, 'the reasOn,'thtat` we re staying here now to speak with the Commission, we just, want everyone 'to know what this is all about, what' w¢ w*'Y`i" 01000sIng on Honda « y.. Mr. Plummer: Tes, sir, that's fine. UK 9 { r'i a t�� Y I. U Mr. Celestin: So everyone Mould know what we will be here for on Monday. Mr. Plummer: That'll be fine. That's great. That's the way it should be, sir. Mr. Carollo: You see, J.L., this is why I wanted the people from the City Administration here, the people from Miami Capital. Mr. Plummer: Fine. Mr. Carollo: We, the members of this Commission, have become the scapegoats in this, and the people in the middle. The ones that have to deal with this and that have not been dealing with this have been the people from Miami Capital and the people from our Administration, but, foremost, the people from Miami Capital that are here tonight. Mr. Plummer: Joe, I'm not ready to make allegations. I, like yourself, have not been that well informed as to what did transpire. We read about it afterwards. But I would hope that this evening, before any of you leave, that all of you will take the opportunity to present the facts that you want to the City Manager and his staff, so that when we do come back on Monday night we will be able to sit down and reasonably talk out these areas; we will, hopefully, come to some conclusions that are good for the community, and that we, the Commission, can do what is right. And I want you to know that, sir. You have my commitment. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: OK. Mr. City Manager, are you listening to me? The gentleman from Miami Capital. Mr. Carollo: Thank you for coming tonight, Commissioner. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: The key question to this, the reason that all of us are here, is to make sure that in the past we have been bluffed by so many times the so-called, they have... Mr. Plummer: (OFF MICROPHONE) I'm sorry for interrupting, but I've asked for a memo, in the morning, of what transpired. Mr. Carollo: Excuse me. Anybody that is truly a businessman in Liberty City, that are the people that requested this meeting tonight, the people that are affected, those that want to address legitimate questions to the people from Miami Capital that are here, the directors from Miami Capital, can you please come up to the City Clerk, give your names, and then you will be called one at a time. And if you could please try to keep your statements or your questions to approximately five minutes at most, please. Yes, I will be staying, yes, sir. Mr. Vernon Quinn: Mr. Carollo, Mr. Plummer... You will still be here Monday night, right? Mr. Plummer: (OFF MICROPHONE) Sir, I will be here, as I Indicated before, as soon as the City Manager can come back with his findings, his recommendations, and we can sit down and intelligently discuss this issue. I've already_ blocked out my calendar. There is a meeting called, and I will be here, wheth'at or not we have the findings, whether or not we have all the things that are necessary. I've asked for a memo of the i findings... Mr. Carollo: J.L., tell them I'll be there sometime tonight. Mr. Plummer: minutes, and MICROPHONE) 7:301 I've been asked to stay for an additional fifteen I'll be bappy to do so. (INAUDIBLE COMMENTS OFF. ...it is Latin and I know it won't start exactly at Mr. Carollo: J.L., it started at eight. so Mr. Plummer: Oh, OK, they I've got even more breather. Mr. Quinn: First of all, we want to address... Mr. Carollo: Would you identify yourselves, your address and what business you represent in Liberty City. Mr. Quinn: My name is Vernon Quinn. My business name is Seven Star Fashions, 6220 N.W. 6th Avenue. I'd like to thank you, Mr. Plummer and Carollo, for taking the time to come out. But first I want to let the City know that this community is very, very, very mad because the Mayor did, for the second time, disrespect our community. And we're very, very concerned about how he disrespects our community. Mr. Plummer: You understand that we, the other Commissioners, were unaware. Mr. Quinn: Definitely. Mr. Carollo: Not only that, but, if I may say this, please. We're not here tonight to talk about any member of the Commission, particularly when those members of the Commission that you're talking about are not here. What I'd like, if we could do now... Mr. Quinn: But he was informed seven days ago... and he was informed to be here. Mr. Carollo: What I'd like for you to do is, Monday night, when the mayor's here, then you can ask him those questions, if you like. But, in the meantime tonight, please limit your questions or your statements to the Administration of Miami Capital, to the Administration of the City of Miami, to the legitimate questions that you have and the funding that you need there, please. Mr. Plummer: I think that's what we really need to do. We need to establish the record here this evening of what are the areas of concern. Mr. Quinn: Number one area of concern is the criteria of the loan. Miami Capital have the criteria so stiff that no Black businesses qualify for the loan. The only way you qualify, you have to be... You see that mostly everybody qualifies beside the Blacks, and you've got to put everything up, and any business that's trying to go into business, they cannot qualify. The amount of time it takes to get the loan, the timetable, most of the time would have been in crisis. The !Miami Capital is set up for disadvantaged businesses who are in a high risk area.- Now, If you're going to put a high risk loan up, how in the world that a business, like these business here, would be able to qualify for a loan when the criteria is so high? Mr. Plummer: And you have presented your counterproposal for consideration, is that correct? Mr. Celestin: Now, the key thing is that in order to get a loan from Miami Capital, you have to have collateral. They do not give money without- collateral. Their request, what you must'have to qualify for the loan is completely impossible - not impossible for the outside world, but we're dealing with the '.Black community. It's impossible for us... 'If we had three bundred-or $4000000 worth of collateral to put up to get $i50,000..0 Mr. Plummer: You wouldn't need the lean. Mr. Celestin: Ve wouldn't need it. Mr, Plummer: Exactly. v 1 0 0 • Mr. Celestin: So that's the way the basic works. The money is available, but we cannot touch it, so what good is it for us when we have to put up so touch to get it. And what we want, since we know that the City of Miami does not make rules for Miami Capital, but since Miami Capital is funded and controlled to a certain extent by the City, we want the City to look into the Miami Capital's rules and regulations of getting a loan and making it possible - not impossible - for us. When our people go to a loan place, to a bank, the questions that they ask you, you just walk out because it's impossible. They want to know from your grandmother to whatever you own that you don't have, and we don't have anything. Mr. Plummer: All right, sir, well I think we're all aware of what you're saying, and you feel that the rules set forth are too -� stringent for your community, and we all know that the original inception of Miami Capital was for minority enterprise. That's what it was for. Mr. Celestin: So the money's been sitting there since 1980. Why none of us get involved with it? Because we're disqualified. It's an instant turndown. You walk in. The guy walks you out of there. Mr. Odio: For the record, since 1981... Mr. Celestin: Eighty-one, yes. Mr. Odio: ...Miami Capital - there have been 144 loans with a total of $10,385,489... Mr. Plummer: But the obvious question is how many of those were made on 7th Avenue and 62nd Street. Dr. Ferguson: Thank you very much, sir! Thank you very much, that's what we are saying. Mr. Plummer: I would hope that we're not going to get into a question and answer period. Mr. Juan del Cerro: With all due respect... Mr. Plummer: I would hope that you would state the facts, OK? Excuse me, Joe, I'm sorry. Just state the facts - let's get them on the record. Let's let the Administration work on them. That's what we pay them high salaries for. And come back... 1 Mr. del Cerro: With all due respect to you, Mr. Plummer. Mr. Carollo: Will the gentleman who was speaking before identify himself, please and your address. Your name for the record, please. Your name. Mr. Celestin: My name is Joe Celestin. I'm the president of Joe's Furniture and _________ Garment in Liberty City. Mr. Plummer: Right across from where my dad was in the banking business. Mr. del Cerro: Mr. Carollo, out of respect to Mr. Plummer and yourself, we want to thank you for taking the time to most here with us. Yor the record. I think it's time that we bring things up that have to be brought up. T have Miami Capital's board bore. The meetings that Mr. Plummer referred to, we were at so** of those meetings, and we met with these gentlemen, sad weyaRrob on about 90 percent of what they say, but, for the record ,.:T think it's only fair to Miami Capital and to those members of Bey :z board, my employees, and my members of the hoan Committee, and to the City of Miami that a list of those bnsiasO6,04-An 'the gisok community that Miami Capital halt the money' to. be =wad info the record by someone-here..Q t �•� -. ...,. ..: ur-rc wr,.,a..r. .�.-3e . d ..any.._...; �.... Y 3.3,s :x.i.k )Cx 44F'm rF$-°ac'�` ' - u . Mr. Plummer: And it will be. Mr. del Cerro: ...because I don't want the impression given, once again, to the people of Miami that Miami Capital has only made loans, and we come here almost every year with the same complaints. Mr. Plummer: That's to do Monday night. Mr. del Cerro: Last year, the complaints were that we were too lenient in our lending policies. Tonight, the complaints are that we're too strict in our lending policies. Once again, we agree... I'm the chairman of the board of Miami Capital. My executive director has met with these good people and we agree on almost everything they may, but I don't want to leave here tonight, or have anyone else leave here tonight, with the impression that Miami Capital has not met its commitment to this community, and to every other community, and to this City. Mr. Celestin: You haven't. Mr. del Cerro: That's false. Dr. Ferguson: Let me deal with it. One moment...' Commissioner Plummer... You've had your chance. Mr. del Cerro: I'd be willing to read all of the laws we've made right here. Dr. Ferguson: Commissioner Plummer... Mr. Carollo: Dr. Ferguson. Let's go about this in an orderly way. These are the people from Miami Capital. Let's hear from them, what they have to say. _ Dr. Ferguson: All right. Mr. Carollo: Then let's hear from the merchants here. Nov, Juan, can you read into the record the loans that have been made, or, if you like, give the total figure of all the monies that have been given during the last five years, year by year, if you have that there, and, out of that, how many of those loans have gone to Black merchants in Liberty City. Mr. del Cerro: We'd be willing to do that. I'm going to read the names of the loans. I'm going to read them slowly and I'm going to give the amounts. However, I cannot... The list was ! prepared... This is part of ghat the City of Miami gets on a periodic basis. This isn't new to anybody. This is public t record, the loans we've made. Mr. Quinn: !lake it public record. Mr. del Cerro: All right, the first loan we made... - Mr. Plummer: Excuse me. Mr. del Cerro, I'm going to take a f point of privilege. I agreed to stay until eight o'clock - to hear the facts put on top of the table. You'll have your chance, hopefully, Monday night. I'll be here Monday night. Dr. Ferguson: Right, right. Mr. Plummer: And you can make any rebuttal that you want to stake. I'd like to get the facts. Let's put them on top of the table. Let's do w proper look-see Into the thing and cost :bnc� =;y on Monday and let's, hopefully, we can come about' -a reasonabl solution.. Mr.- del Carrot l understand that, my -door #y bndr' 'but- -Xiang " Capitol, -1 guarantee p you, Is not ~golagto be putr,'oa'tria1'- llp�s again, because- :the accusations those wan afs *skilq 4r, r '� absolutely false. That's it. rr..' 41 Mr. Plummer: Juan, you have a very good way of defending yourself. Mr. Quinn: ...Come on, speak up, man, and stop filibustering. Mr. Plummer: You've got an additional five minutes. Dr. Ferguson: Commissioner Plummer, Commissioner Carollo... Mr. del Cerro: I believe, Mr. Ferguson... Dr. Ferguson: ...we will wait until Monday. With all due respect to both of you taking the time out to be here. j Mr. Plummer: Thank you. Dr. Ferguson: We would like to thank the City Manager and his staff, the City Attorney and all of those who came out tonight to hear our concern. We want to take our time Monday with statistics, with the facts. We don't want figures, and run over in f ive minutes, and have us run out here and try to digest it. But I tell you one thing, we will be ready to back up any statistics, any falsified statistics, that you might bring to this board. We'll be ready to back it up. We're asking - and it's an insult to the Black community, for over 80 vendors, for you to come out with $250,000 when I can prove that you've given board members on that board approximately $300,000 loans. And this is what we're talking about! Mr. Celestin: The key thing - we also want Black business loans. -----____-- in all. (INAUDIBLE COMMENTS OFF MICROPHONE NOT ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD.) Mr. del Cerro: I'd be more than willing to read the list as long, as we're here. Mr. Plummer: Can I ask a question? Dr. Ferguson: Thank you very much, sir. Thank you for your support. We're leaving now. Mr. Plummer: I see Mr. Rasheed standing there. Or anyone else. Is there anyone else who has any other areas of concern that you feel that need to be looked into by the. Administration before the meeting on Monday night? If you've got an area of concern' - please voice it. Y Mr. Carollo: The Commissioner is making a very solid point. What I would advise the merchants that are here tonight to do isIF ;P that if some of the articular points that p p you talked _-about.- last night, that you, would present them to the Administration that's here - the City of Miami's, the Manager,,the legal, staff that -me ' have here - and Miami Capital's. So 'that, hopefully, we s try to reach a consensus when we most. Monday., night and not , have to go through a period of having an additional aieeti'ng to`"try to decipher some of the information that will be given Mo"ndayi'Aigtit. I think the bottom line - what we need to, do is to find' a solution and find just,what.the,facts are,'whatever they ati�y"bey- but lat's have the facts_ up .front. Mr.. Plummer: $xcuse me. Mr. Manager,, ,since the last audit done of Miami_Capital by"a world renowned Lybrand., 'be - I Mould ask that they prlt teat _,�leQ,' op tionday eq :, 1p 04 to back up the vesac ty of ariy' ptotemilgts that Mef e . m ete g w!4 t . Q�' think a'Ayb"osl,y, "would .point :e f ingest acausat,ioA ndnf t. 40f Coopers 6 Lyba*snd.?hey're' sty iuditor$# so I guos's l got to e gust thl�! nee. of the bid eiRbt. r�`,fi�� _ '_�'E.tae�?;'�1t, :mitr.�,.�,�`y„��u-,�f«}ka�,'�E,�Y'� iz :,r_��,z•r^�,, '? r,.-t+�-,3.I�._ ;.a�v� x,._a..,.�"hs. • • Mr. Carollo: Otis... Mr. Plummer: I once again ask, is there anyone who wants to put something on the table tonight, that you want looked into, so that we can have the answers on Monday night? Mr. Rasheed. Mr. Prentice Rasheed: J.L. Mr. Odio: We'll notify them tomorrow morning, and they will be here with all the backup data that they gathered. Mr. Plummer: We recognize Mr. Rasheed. Mr. Carollo: Excuse me, Commissioner, I know you're the senior member of the Commission and therefore you will run the gathering tonight - as the Vice Mayor you certainly will - but if I may, before we hear from Mr. Rasheed, Mr. Otis Pitts was here before hand, if we could hear from Mr. Pitts before. Mr. Plummer: Sure. Mr. Pitts, Mr. Rasheed and then Mr. Washington. Mr. Otis Pitts: Thank you vary much. Mr. Plummers Hopefully, by then, we can get it all on the record. Mr. Tom Washington: With the exception of one, J.L. Mr. Plummer: One more. Mr. Washington: That's right. Mr. Plummer: Fine. Mr. Pitts: There are several concerns we have about the funds which Miami Capital has. One, of course, is the HOD money which was made available to Miami Capital which can be loaned out from zero to any percentage that you want. We don't know how much of that money remains, but it does not have to be at five percent, as was suggested by you, so we don't know if that money still r remains. Beyond that, also, at one point last year you were making about $60,000 or so a month on payment of loans you had -_ outstanding and the interest that you were earning. And that 4. money, of course, is available for you to use, both the principal for additional loans, but also the other money that is not, the interest that you received can also be made available for loans. This goes directly to the question about"$250,000 which is really a pittance in terms of trying to address the problems that are out there. Beyond that, one of the major problems these? merchants have in this area, of course, is the lines of credit. rl` It's possible you look at some creative ways of maybe creating a line of credit guarantee pool which you could place with a local bank in the Black community. It could be Peoples. It could -be Capital -Bank, Capital• Bank, which these men could go. You can get your banks participate. I recall at one to p , point, Commissioner Dawkins _;- raised an issue about the banks which the City of Miami currently has its monies in. They could possibly participate is some of these programs. The want direct. access as well. .Tf P g Y your would - open those avenues up, this small amount of money which you totally have in the pot wouldn't have to be the only source from which you were trying to get funds. But I think we need-,Lo� look at creative ways for addressing these problems because it As no.*.., solely your concern to look at there's a limited way you can use { four or five million dollars, but also look at other creat$V$. ways which wi l l take this 'pressure off . of `Nlami Capital. 'Tbelae M" men are not going to go away. They're not out be;e askiia Y:rt somebody to help them steal. I mesa, thane are not dope des '1ess_.: � r+r- Tbey4rs=legitimets people running businesses, - Y Mr. Tlummer s And want to stay that way. r b y Vg -3e'mklesibkr ` �sS1.";i c ,�.i.�_..�i ...: .-• ,.. •�. . }. ��;-...44, s-;�c.wN ?�•?.., +�+Fi�a•..;Y,.-i uT �,r.:,:.'.c. ^ �.r:� t s rin...;:....'.`-'�.r}.a+.'nkitL Mr. Pitts: ... with legitimate concerns, and want to do business. They're not asking you to give the money away, but don't send in great statistics to people who are upset and concerned. Mr. Plummer: Otis, let's don't editorialize. Mr. Pitts: OK. Mr. Plummer: Let's just put the facts on top of the table. Mr. Pitts: OK. Mr. Plummer: Again, Mr. Rasheed, do you have any other things you want to put on the table? Mr. Pitts: Just one last thing, Commissioner. Mr. Plummer: Sure. Mr. Pitts: Of course, the sixty thousand or so dollars - I'd like to know how much money is now being realized on a monthly basis in both interest and principal payment that's coming back In which could be made available, number one. The HUD dollars and the revolving loan fund. The HUD money: how much of that money is currently available of your overall funds that could be loaned out from zero to any other percent interest? That money does not have to be loaned out at five percent. Mr. Plummer: That's why I asked the auditors to be here. Now, Mr. Rasheed, you're next. We'd ask you please put your facts... Mr. Prentice Rasheed: Prentice Rasheed. I own a business here In Miami Ameop Station and Trading Post. Gentlemen of the Commission, City of Miami, we have here as a fact, the GAO report that vas published, put out by State Senator William Lehman, Mr. Claud Pepper and one other - Fascell. This report clearly states the facts of the misfunding, and the mismanagement, and the misappropriation of $71,000,000 that came into Miami because of the riot in 1980. Mr. Plummer: Will you make a copy of that available to the Manager before you leave this evening? Mr. Odiot I want to ask a question, please. Are we talking about Miami Capital, or what are you talking about? Mr. Rasheed: Well, Miami Capital's in here. And it also... Mr. Plummer: If he'll make you a copy,- Mr. Manager, that's all you need. 3 Mr. Odio: But if you read that report, it was favorable to Miami Capital. If you're going to sake strtements of fact, make them all complete. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Manager... Mr. Rasheed: It's a fact. This book can be purchased, canibe picked up... Mr. Odio: I know. I have it. The book says, as a matter ol. fact, that Miami Capital was not rated unfavorably. 'It Mans favorable. Just read the whole book. ". FYti Mr. Plummer: All right, Mr. Rasheod, I ask, es a'favors' Movid a you leave a copy for the Manager this evoniiig? Rasheed: I'll leave bin m7 P'co . 'sure`. copy. - i'I1 ' leave bin'this copy. Mr. Plummer: Thank you. I appreciate that. -i `�� Nf m�''�7 s ..r%,hN3ai.: -. ;:�'i�.r ��� s h `•r. sk.F.'.dt`ih`i ��tw .. Mr. Rasheed: So there won't be any problem there. Our problem, I heard it stated earlier, I've been to Miami Capital over the last three or four years at least three times for a loan. I have not been able to get a loan from this particular lending institution. I have talked to two or three accountants... Mr. Odiot Mr. Rasheed, may I answer your question? Mr. Rasheed: These people cannot... Mr. Plummer: Mr. Manager. Excuse me. Dr. Ferguson: Is he defending Miami Capital? Mr. Plummer: Excuse me, but there is not going to be the defending of anybody, or I'm going to walk out the door. We agreed that we were going to lay the facts on the table and we'll discuss it, we'll debate it, we'll argue it, we'll beat it up, and we'll do it on Monday night. Mr. Odic: In order for me... Mr. Plummer: He'll have that chance on Monday night. Mr. Odic: In order for me to be able to come up with a report by Monday night... Mr. Plummer: Yes, sir. Mr. Odic: ...I am asking Mr. Rasheed to please tell me what do you want me to look into... Mr. Plummer: He's going to give you a copy of it, sir. He's stated that. Mr. Rasheed: We have the evidence... Dr. Ferguson has a printout - I don't know where it comes from - but it shows... Mr. del Cerro: (OFF MICROPHONE) We gave you the copy of that reportl Mr. Plummer: Mr. del Cerrol Pleasel Mr. Rasheed: It shows that 62 loans were made and most of those loans were made of $50,000 or less whereby, again, the facts were stated that two and $300,000 loans to people outside the Black community.' The Black community got small loans. They didn't get... and the money was designated from the 1980 riot, not for all these other big organizations that got this money. And the Black community has still not developed itself yet because that money is being misused by people that have closed hands, on it. Now I don't have anything against anyone, but I think that if the Cuban community or the White community had had an incident of a riot,. Black people would not be on the total board operating the dispensing of that money. I think you need to put some Blacks on that, and that's a factl Mr. Plummer: Mr. Rasheed, you're editorializing, and you'll have �sasU vpNvs 6was aUY IMWUUMY uaag&1.. Mr. Rasheed: OK. But anyway, we do have the facts in the. GAO report. We have it in some other evidence that we have it as printed up by somebody in the City, and we'll be here to present !' that evidence asked. Weil show you that there's some. discrimination' in the way you make loans and we want that, '} corrected, and we also want this City to change their high .rl'sk ' loan". method to something that $a really high sish.. sAd' ;e<ni . R± something; that; you cannot. quality on because the. respoAtsi i:e' e<d r of getting" a loan is too high. It is not a high r.is,l%. h' vs t - - - - - ---. - -- ,--=.�='� . ��,J... a.Y��sf�:�`, 4:}'''t .��°$j$ .��3ms•.�`k'rL'�,'�._,+e5 k-:Yt'��-1�.+i_ 'vas .0 Mr. Plummer: OR, thank you, air. Tom Washington, I'm going to hold you to your request of ten secondsl Mr. Tom Washington: Thank you, J. L. Some of you might not know me, but I hope that most of you know me. I've purchased an occupational license... Mr. Plummer: No commercials and no editorials) Mr. Washington: ...from the City of Miami for the last twenty years and I'm not running for public office, so therefore, J.L., don't do me that way. Mr. Plummer: Yes, sir. Mr. Washington: Dealing with the facts, looking at the list from the organization that's representing the City of Miami - Jay's Drugs, for an example, has received over $215,000. Also on the list, Creole Fried Chicken, two loans for $305,000, which is no longer in business. And I will be here Monday night and bring half of Liberty City with me, if necessary, but I think that Commissioner Carollo, Commissioner Plummer, I'm very sorry we don't have a forum here tonight, but we need to get about the business of business north of Flagler Street to make sure that all of Miami be the City of - what do we call ourselves? Mr. Plummer: The Magic City. Mr. Washington: Right. Let all of us prosper. Mr. Plummer: Thank you, Tom. You almost held to your promisel Now, I'm going to ask one final time. If you have something that you feel needs to be looked into, lay it on the table. If you don't, I'm going to ask you, please don't editorialize. You'll -- have that advantage on Monday night. Are there any more areas of concern that need to be addressed prior to Monday? Yes, sir. If you have something, without being repetitious. Mr. Celestin: That's it. We just need the City Manager to bring on Monday all names and amounts of the loans that Black people have received in Liberty City. Mr. Plummer: That's a fair request. Mr. Celestin: And we also want the amount of loan that was given in Liberty City to White merchants. Mr. Plummer: That's a fair request. Mr. Quinn: Cubans and Haitians. Mr. Celestin: By all kind of White merchants. That 'a,it.. We want the loans that was given to all White merchants. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKERS (OFF MICROPHONE) All non -Blacks. Mr. Celestin: All non -Black merchants, because the money was specially given because we have businesses who are owned in Liberty City by White folks. They get help and we don't have it', so we got to get our goods from them. Mr. Plummer: You have a fact you want to get it on the table? UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I've got one fact. Mr. Plummers Teo, air. Hr. v,sablustons I want to know how Dayside be able to get" ))million dollars worth of grant money that they doA'.t have to.pay back, be able to gat tome up to $2000000 plus .Muth,; a first, ` psymeut of two years or more on it, We whet to. know how.abed►, ��ltt,.; ' f n be able to Net that typo of thuAD. Ii Sayai4e CAD $er �!euore► Ilk* that• we xaAt welfare in Liberty City, to,9 -A Mr. Plummer: You'll have an &never to that. You got something you want to lay on the table? One thing, and you're the last speaker, I think, the last thing I'm going to ask of each and everyone here this evening, if you have any documents, any papers of fact, I ask you please to give them to the City Manager tonight to make copies before you leave, so that we can have it. Mr. Manager, I would like, if we can have somewhat of a time to say the Monday night meeting is called for 7:00, I would assume you're going to have a report, if you're going to have one ready, by noon. Mr. Odio: Yes, sir. Mr. Plummers All right. I want all the people in the community, listen to me. I want you to have the same availability of that report at noon as I have. Mr. Quinn: Thank you very much, sir. Mr. Plummer: All right, sir. Any one of you want to come down to the Manager's office and get a copy of his report and findings to this Commission, you will receive it the same time I do. Fair enough? You're the last speaker. Speaker, no - presenter of facts! Mr. William Calhoun: I think that Miami Capital have made the same error that... Willy Calhoun, King The Tailor, Liberty City. I think Miami Capital have made the same mistake that I found that made. Mr. Plummer: What are they? Tell me the facts. Mr. Calhoun: In identifying problems in a business and not taking the solution. Sometimes the solutions is not always just money. It's the problems within the business. It might be bookkeeping. You identify the problem but you render no solutions or help implement a solution for it. So I think you also should take that into consideration. Mr. Plummer: Thank you, Willy. Commissioner Carollo, if you wish to continue, I have lived up to my promise of staying. I hope we've got everything on the table. Mr. Manager, you're now excused from having a memo to me in the morning of what took place. Mr. Odio: Thank you. You're so generous! Mr. Plummer: Vo've got the anger out on top of the table. Vo've got the facts out on top of the table. Ladies and gentlemen, I hope that we can come on Monday night to some very reasonable and good solutions, that we don't have angry people, that we all go away with an understanding that we're all going to pull together for this great City. I thank you. Mr. Carollo: Ve will see you all Monday night at 7:00 P.M. 4 t:f . . •. .:' .fir, saga A THERE $'VIVO NO rUITH$R JUStMESS TO COME WORE THE CITY COMMISSION, THE MVETIVO WAS ADJOURNED AT $oil P.M - natty Hirai CITY CLERK Walter J. Foeman ASSISTANT CITY CLERK ( S E A L )