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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC 1988-02-11 Minutes■ -0 0 CITY OF MIAMI COMMISSION MINUTES OF MEETING HELD ON �EBRUARY 11� 1988 (SPECIAL) PREPARED BY THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK CITY HALL NATTY HIRAI City Clerk - .nr-nngfD INDEX MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING CITY COMMISSION OF MIAMI, FLORIDA FEBRUARY 11, 1988 ITEM SUBJECT LEGISLATION PAGE NO. NO. 1. APPROVE SOUTHEAST OVERTOWN/PARK WEST R 88-110 1-18 DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT; 2/11/88 AUTHORIZE MASTER DEVELOPMENT ORDER. 2. APPROVE SOUTHEAST OVERTOWN/PARK WEST R 88-111 18-19 DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT; 2/11/88 AUTHORIZE INCREMENT 1 DEVELOPMENT ORDER. 3. URGE U.S. GOVERNMENT TO INCREASE COAST R 88-112 19-20 GUARD PRESENCE IN SOUTH FLORIDA TO 2/11/88 COMBAT ILLICIT DRUGS. 4. BRIEF COMMENTS BY MR. JEROME GLEEKEL DISCUSSION 20-21 CONCERNING SEMINAR ON AFRICA 2/11/88 ("OPERATION CROSSROADS AFRICA, INC.") AND INTRODUCING AFRICAN VISITORS: MESSRS. M. CHARLY, DIANGO HEBIE AND M. JOSEPH LIBOVILLI. 5. RESCHEDULE SECOND REGULAR COMMISSION R 88-113 21-23 MEETING OF FEBRUARY, 1988. 2/11/88 -- _-fog UR"Ifix MINUTES OF SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF MIAMI, FLORIDA On the llth day of February, 1988, the City Commission of Miami, Florida, met at its regular meeting place in the City Hall, 3500 Pan American Drive, Miami, Florida in Special Session to hold a public hearing on Overtown/Park West Development of Regional Impact and Increment I Development Order. The meeting was called to order at 3:33 p.m. by Mayor Xavier Suarez with the following members of the Commission found to be present: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Vice Mayor Rosario Kennedy Mayor Xavier L. Suarez ABSENT: Commissioner Victor De Yurre ALSO PRESENT: Cesar Odio, City Manager Lucia Allen Dougherty, City Attorney Matty Hirai, City Clerk Walter J. Foeman, Assistant City Clerk An invocation was delivered by Mayor Suarez who then led those present in a pledge of allegiance to the flag. 1. APPROVE SOUTHEAST OVERTOWN/PARK WEST DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT; AUTHORIZE MASTER DEVELOPMENT ORDER. Mayor Suarez: This will be the shortest Commission meeting in history, we all hope. Item 1, Southeast Overtown/Park West Master Development Order. I understand the Department of Community Affairs has taken some issue with us, but... Mr. Plummer: No, not on that one. I think the appeal that they are taking, Mr. Mayor, is on the original of the CBD downtown, excluding the SE regional, am I right, Sergio? Mr. Rodriguez: You are correct. The only thing that... Mr. Plumaer: They can't appeal something we haven't passed, and that is what we are here today to do. Mr. Rodriguez: The approach that was followed on this development order is exactly the same that we used for the one in downtown, and you should be aware of that, that we are recommending to you that you can proceed with the one today, even where we might be appealed on this one too. tx Mr. Plummer: Well, I... you know, I am going to put on the record, I warned you, that that was going to be the case, that there were problems, there is going to be problems, and there can be major problems. The area in which they are appealing, is not where I think the problems are, so but there are some tremendous overtures in this thing, if certain scenarios go wrong, that it is going to be very, very expensive for this City, and... Mrs. Kennedy: Sergio, do you feel that the arguments are strong enough, Madam City Attorney, that we could win, if we proceed? Mr. Rodriguez: From a planning point of view, I think that we have very good arguments, and from a legal point of view, I... Mrs. Dougherty: We agree. -- 1 February 11, 1988 - mr�rnrT Mr. Plummer: You can... most likely, Rosario, most likely win the arguments... Mrs. Kennedy: Yes. Mr. Plummer: ... because the arguments don't have any immediate answers. You are talking about on the first stage goes through 1990... Mr. Rodriguez: 2. Mr. Plummer: 1992? Mr. Rodriguez: In the development order of downtown. Mr. Plummer: In the normal, then you can ask for an extension after that. Whether or not these scenarios come about... excuse me, I should not be saying this. That's on the appeal, which is based on... Mr. Rodriguez: Right. Mr. Dawkins: OK. Mr. Plummer: ... the appeal, very briefly, is based on, if you presently own a building in this area, and you tear it down, using hypothetically, you have ' 100,000 square feet, if you tear that building down, and build a 200,000 square feet, it is the contention of the department that you should only be taxed on impact for the additional 100,000, not the first 100,000. OK, that is _ what the appeal is based on right now. Mayor Suarez: That's the DCA posture, or that is our posture? Mr. Plummer: No, our posture is, that they should not be penalized for the first 100,000. DCA, and I am sorry that I agree with them, says that if you tear a building down, and you build a brand new building, you pay impact on whatever fee that you build. Mayor Suarez: All right, they take credits away for whatever it is you tear down, and I don't see why, if it is supposed to be an impact in any event. Mr. Rodriguez: What we are saying, with the development order, we've established a bank of development credits, and what they are saying is that the second $100,000... we are agreeing that the second $100,000 shouldn't be drawn against that bank, but the first $100,000, shoot it, and that is the difference that we have, among the other things. Mayor Suarez: The second $100,000, you mean, is the additional $1,000,000, considering the first... Mr. Rodriguez: Being there, because they were considering it from the beginning. Mayor Suarez: Right, as if it were still there. Mr. Rodriguez: Right... Mayor Suarez: Or, the increment, if you want to use that term. Mr. Rodriguez: ...is the net... definition of net new development, where we are having a difference with them. Mr. Plummer: To put it briefly, Xavier, you would get a waiver on whatever was there, prior to the demolition. Mr. Rodriguez: Not exactly. We would require them to provide, and comply with other parts of the ordinance, but what we don't want then to do is draw from our development credits that we have been able to negotiate so well. Mr. Dawkins: Are we talking about Southeast Overtown/Park West DRI, or the downtown Miami DRI? What are we talking about when we start talking about what we just talked about? 2 February 11, 1988 • •• • • . _ *rrcnnrfrKites TnPffRWM Mr. Plummer: What we are talking about, was the downtown, which has been appealed. We approved that some two or three weeks ago, and DCA has that right to appeal to the Cabinet, and that is what they are doing. What we are about today, is a separate entity, which is the Southeast Park/Overtown and that is a separate entity from the overall CBD. What we are about to do today, the only thing we are about to do today, is to approve, modify, or disapprove, the SE Park/Overtown DRI. Mr. Dawkins: OK, somebody tell me why it is necessary to take this little plot, and ply it out from the rest of the DRI, because if you block it out here, this little plot that is known as Overtown/Park West, does not receive any of the benefits from the whole Brickell Avenue, and Biscayne Boulevard and the rest of it. So why did we cut it out? Mr. Plummer: You need Mr. Herb Bailey, who was the one recommended that be done, and it does come under different configurations in which there would be some considerations for Southeast Overtown, which would not apply the total overall be DRI. It was advantageous, to answer your question. Mr. Dawkins: What makes it advantageous to stop the other DRI, at 5th Avenue and run it to, I guess that is 20th Street, and then cut it back in to the other DRI. What makes it advantageous? Mr. Rodriguez: There are two reasons. The first reason is that under the application that we have, we applied for the downtown DRI under the Downtown Development Authority part of the legislation, and a portion of the Southeast Park Overtown/Park West is not included in that area, so we couldn't apply under that part of the statute, that is number one. The second one is that we felt, and I mean by this, Administration, that the Southeast Overtown/Park West will have less impact payments to make for development than downtown, so it will be more beneficial to attract development in that area. Mr. Dawkins: Ever since I have been sitting here, I told all of you and I am going to say it again today, I have a problem with you running up to Sth Street, with your development, and then jumping from Sth Street, to 20th Street, and come up with something different. The downtown properties have come up to Sth Street, there is no place else for them to go, OK? ... but continue on through Sth Street. But, with this, what you got here is that instead of going into 5th Street, with office buildings and whatever, you are going to go back out to Biscayne Boulevard and go up to 395, and then you come back in and start your other DRI. Now, to me, that is gerrymandering at its best. Mr. Rodriguez: If you want to, we can get either Matt Schwartz or Mr. Bailey to respond to that, but in your increment I, and your master development order, in both cases, it allows for development of offices, and development of retail services and so on, all the way through this area. That was the purpose of the whole thing. Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Bailey, when I said move the DRI, I mean move it from Sth Street up. Mr. Bailey was not a member who voted on that. This Commission voted not to do it, OK? And I said that I did not understand it then, I do not understand now. Mr. Herb Bailey and Matthew Schwartz didn't have a damn thing to do with it. All they did, was followed orders from this Commission. Mayor Suarez: They don't vote yet. Mr. Dawkins: That's right, so they didn't have nothing to do with this, and at that time, you told me, that you could not... you had to go back to the legislature in order to move DRI to the north side of 5th Street, instead of to the south side. I went and got legislation to show you that was not the case that all we had to do was request it, and I still got an I don't know what, OK? Mayor Suarez: Why (and this may be a related question) why are we doing an increment as we approved the initial development order? Why do we have item two? I think we have the same problem with the downtown DRI, right? I probably asked the same question at that time. Let's see if I can understand it this time as to the Southeast Overtown. Mr. Joseph McManus: The initial increment is for a period what it says is, there is a guarantee on all parties tha t February 11, 1986 Mayor Suarez: Wait, wait, Joe, what do you mean there is a guarantee? There is no guarantee of anything here. What do you mean there is a guarantee? Mr. McManus: In terms of anybody taking an exception to what we have done to that point. Now, the master, to the year 2007, is much more conceptual. In other words, we reached the year 1992, and 1993, we will have to do an Increment II, and when we reach the year 1999, we will have to do an Increment III development order, further specifying the various impacts. Mayor Suarez: I see, you are actually doing kind of a... _ Mr. McManus: But at least we have conceptually, we have an overall envelop to the master. Mayor Suarez: Do a larger plan and then you do one within that for a smaller initial increment. It really is part of the other one. I don't see why... Mr. Plummer: The master has three increments. Mr. Rodriguez: The guarantee is for the City. Mayor Suarez: Yes, -I don't see why that wouldn't be part of one resolution, but that's... Mr. Rodriguez: The guarantee is for the City that you don't have to go to the Regional Planning Council. The City will retain the right to deny individual projects. Mayor Suarez: After five years? - Mr. Plummer: No, immediately. Mr. Rodriguez: No right. five years, we don't have to go, the developer _ doesn't have to go to the Regional Planning Council, if he chooses to go within this DRI. Mayor Suarez: Right, that is what I said. Mr. Plummer: And meets the minimum requirements. Mr. Rodriguez: Right, but you will have... Mayor Suarez: That is the whole concept of a regional DRI. Mr. Rodriguez: Right, and you will have to approve the projects of a certain size. They have to come to you and have to be approved by you and they will have to pay a mitigation fee to take care of the impact created by them. Mr. Plummer: Let me ask you a question. Jackie Bell and the Holiday Inn, where is that proposed to go? Mr.Odio: Lot 10. Mr.Plummer: Lot 10 is where? Is that within this DRI? Mr. Rodriguez: Downtown DRI. Mr. Plummer: It is outside of the DRI? Mr. Matthew Schwartz: Outside the DRI. The Southeast Overtown Park west district, which is covered by the downtown DRI. Mr. Dawkins: It is in the downtown Park West DRI, right? Mr. Plummer: No. Mr. Dawkins: It is in the downtown Park West DRI. Mr. Plummer: No, it is in the other DRI, if it is on the other side of Sth Street. 4 February 11, 1988 -i Mr. Schwartz: (OFF MIKE) Mr. Plummer: That's a tax district. Mr. Schwartz: Tax district. Mr. Plummer: Let me just give you... OK, the point I was going to make is not as strong, but what you are proving here today says that for the next five years, you cannot build a hotel in this area, OK? First five year increment of this plan shows zero hotel rooms. Mayor Suarez: Well, without paying an exaction in terms of the developmental impact. Mr. Plummer: No, no! That's in the first from now until 1994, you cannot a hotel. Now, they say you can come back and negotiate and swap one thing off for another. Now, we have heard about Southeast Park/Overtown and what is going to be a mix. You keep hearing that word, but let me tell you, that mix Is going to be awful small, because in the first five years, the total amount of retail space that you can put in that area is 66,000 square feet. That's total, which means that you maybe might have a supermarket in that area, and that's about it. That's total, so... Mayor Suarez: How much is envisioned for a hotel in the first five year increment? Mr. Rodriguez: There is none in the first five year increment directly, but in the development concept, you can switch some of the uses for others, depending on the impact of traffic. Mr. Dawkins: We aren't going to switch nothing. Anything that we put down here today is going to be written in stone, and there will be no damn changes! e Mr. Plummer: Well that's... you're right. Mr. Dawkins: No, see every time we come... Mr. Plummer: But, let me tell you where you are wrong. You can make changes, but you better believe any changes you make are going to be detrimental to yourself. Mr. Dawkins: You see, ever time, you see, this is how I got screwed on the Claughton Island property, OK? We said one thing in here and the law come out and say another. We said one thing in here, and the law come out and say another, OK? Same thing happened with Bayside. I thought I had all of the local contractors tied into Bayside, the legislation say something different. Then come the arena, they bring everybody in here from Memphis, Tennessee, to ... Alabama, and everything, and every time I go back to the legislation, and say: "That's not what we intended." I won't have an argument, because that's what written, so J.L., whatever we do here today, or from now on, when we write legislation, I want the City Attorney to bring it back to me before the end of the day, and I want to read just how it is going to end up in the record. Mayor Suarez: Why is, following up on that same concern, why is the Washington Heights project not included within the first five year increment? Mr. Rodriguez: Because there is no part of the area covered by the DRI. It was included in the downtown DRI. Mayor Suarez: OK, I'm sorry. The DRI extends except for that little thing that projects down there? Mr. Rodriguez: Right. Mayor Suarez: We included that in the tax increment district report. Mr. Rodriguez: Right. Mayor Suarez: OK, now, why do we not provide for any... directly, without substitution of other kind of space for a hotel space in the area. 5 February 11, 1988 Mr. Rodriguez: Maybe Mr. Schwartz can explain that. Mr. Plummer: How many hotel rooms first increment in the original DRI? Mr. Rodriguez: One second. Mr. Plummer: There wasn't many, I remember that. Mayor Suarez: What do you mean by the original DRI? Mr. Plummer: The CBD - DRI. Mayor Suarez: You are talking about downtown DRI? Mr. Plummer: The one we passed three weeks ago, yes. Mr. Rodriguez: I'll get you that number in one second. In the first Increment, we allowed for 1,000 rooms. Mr. Plummer: Hotel rooms? Mr. Rodriguez: Yes. Mayor Suarez: That's the downtown DRI? Mr. Rodriguez: Downtown DRI. Mr. Schwartz: For Overtown/Park West, it doesn't come in to increment II and III. There is 1,100 total, and the reason... Mayor Suarez: Are you envisioning in the first year... five years to have something that you think can be substituted, which is what... ? Mr. Schwartz: We have a convention center, 290,000 square feet that could be substituted, I believe. The reason is... Mayor Suarez: Well, do you think that would be substitutable? - where it exists? Mr. Schwartz: Yes. Mayor Suarez: Convention space that has a similar impact? Mr. Schwartz: It is trip generations. They do it based on trip generations. Mayor Suarez: On trip generations? Mr. Schwartz: Yes. Mr. Schwartz: The reason there is no hotel on the first increment, this is based on the market study for downtown, down by Hammer, Siler & George that included Overtown/Park West. Mayor Suarez: What else could it be substituted for, Matthew, besides the exhibit space there? i Mr. Schwartz: The 166,000 square feet of office, and there is only 66,000 of retail, is rather minimal. Mr. Plummer: You've got office, retail, residential and convention. Those are the four categories. Mayor Suarez: And for that substitution to take place, does this Commission have to approve it? Mr. Plummer: No, we have to approve it after it has been appealed to the Regional Planning Council, and if in fact the DCA doesn't... Mayor Suarez: Wait, wait, now you are really confusing. If they are within the master )flan, they should not have to go to the Regional Planning Council. 6 February 110 1988 a A Mr. Plummer: But, if you go to swap one off for another, then you have to go back to the Regional. Mayor Suarez: That's what I want to know, the procedure. What is the procedure in case of a substitution, and does it eventually work its way to this Commission under... Mr. Plummer: Yes, eventually, yes. Mayor Suarez: Let me see if they answer it, because as Miller says, once it Is written in stone, that's... Mr. McManus: For projects of this size, for example, we are talking hotels of 300, or 400, or 500 groups, it would very likely entail a major use special permit. It would come before this Commission. Now, in detail of what the substitution numbers were back and forth, would probably be a part of that major use special permit, but clearly, a project of that size would come before you. Mr. Plummer: I don't think that is what he is asking, Joe. He is asking if It is solely within the purview of this Commission, or if you change one of these categories, would it have to go back to the Southeast Regional Planning Council. My indication was yes, that it would. Mayor Suarez: very simply, a person wants to build a hotel that otherwise falls within the requirements of regional planning and wants to have us approve it, and in every other respect, other than permitting and all the other things that they have to do, complies with all of our codes, and only wants to make a substitution because there is no hotel envisioned in the first five year increment. Does this Commission have to approve that substitution? Mr. Rodriguez: What is your question again, sir? Mayor Suarez: If person wants to build a hotel in the first five years, who approves the substitution of exhibit space for, or hotel space for exhibit space? Mr. Rodriguez: OK, through the major use permit, it will have to come before you, so you have approval on that. We have a formula that we have... Mayor Suarez: At that point we measure the credit to see if it is within the five year increment? Mr. Rodriguez: ... which has to be in agreement with the Regional Planning Council, by which so many trip generations created by residential units or hotels can be traded for this other type of arrangements. You have to substitute the whole thing. The major impact that we have, basically, both downtown and in this DRI, is the effect on traffic and the effect on the air quality. All the other impacts are manageable. Mrs. Kennedy: So hotel rooms can be traded for dwelling units? Mr. Rodriguez: It could be traded for dwelling units, it depends, based on the which is the most important, or limiting factor that we have. Mrs. Kennedy: So that shouldn't be a big issue? And it doesn't affect, by the way, to make this clear again, it doesn't affect the Washington Heights - project, because that project is within the downtown DRI, not within this project. Mayor Suarez: And the major use special permitting process also brings before the Commission. Mr. Rodriguez: You have final authority on that. Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Rodriguez, through you to Mr. Bailey. Mr. Bailey, we are having difficulty getting the downtown establishment to participate in the development of the Overtown/Park West area. Nobody in the establishment wants to roll us their sleeves, bite the bullet and come in and give us a hand. Now, will this DRI, in your professional opinion, enhance our chances of convincing individuals that they should come in? Will it be a hindrance so that people could use it not to come in? 7 February 11, 1988 ■ Mr. Bailey: For one thing, it will indicate that we are for real. I think the problem in the beginning, and we are going back to 1982, there were very few people in downtown that thought that this project was something that was serious. Mr. Dawkins: Tom Post had all the confidence in the world in it! Mr. Bailey: We need about 20 like him. Mr. Dawkins: That's right, we do Mr. Bailey What is happened, a series of events since that time, and which comes up to this DRI, to approval of the South Florida Regional Planning Council and this Commission will definitely indicate that the development is here and is what it is intended to be and we intend to proceed that way. I think it will help convince, I don't know if it will help to convince them that they will invest, but it will sure indicate there is a real serious effort here to do downtown, and we might get a better response, especially after we do the first five blocks. In regards to doing hotels and anything else, let's face it, all that land is under private ownership, and even to come in and suggest that a hotel is to be developed there, there is an awful lot of other things that has to happen that comes before this Commission. And I don't think that within the next five years, even if someone decided today that they want to build a hotel, by the time we go through land assembly, and I don't know whether or not it will be involving us in terms of condemnation and removal, and demolition, it would be about five years before anything like that would happen. We don't expect anybody to come forth in the next five years and say: "Let's build a hotel in Overtown/Park West". Matthew tells me that the zoning on the front of Biscayne Boulevard will permit that, and that is true, and perhaps the only time we would get an urgency to get involved with the zoning on the front, because we do cover that area from Biscayne all the way back to I-95, is that one of the current owners would have to come in and plan to build a hotel, so I think we are very safe here in terms of the first year saying, zero hotel rooms, plus you still have the substitution, but every act that we pass, every piece of legislation that we pass from this point on, and even those that you passed in the past, it gives us a real message to the downtown community that we are serious, because they haven't taken us seriously before. Mrs. Kennedy: I agree. This is extremely important for the whole of Miami. It is important for downtown, it is important for Overtown, and for the new performing arts center. Mayor Suarez: Any questions from the Commission? Is there anyone from the general public that is here to be heard on one of these two items, for or against item one, on item one? Ma'am, go ahead up to the mike, if you want a clarification, just to make sure, and if you want to make a statement. Ms. Louise H. McQueen: My name is Louise H. McQueen, and in reference to block 27, lot three, north - I am wondering if this is some of the things that you are talking about now? This is on loth Street. Mayor Suarez: loth Street and what Avenue? ' Ms. McQueen: 3rd Avenue. Mr. Dawkins: loth and 3rd? 1 Ms. McQueen: Yes, near 3rd. Mayor Suarez: That's in the district, yes. Ms. McQueen: What do you mean, that we cannot build there, or what? Mayor Suarez: Why don't you go ahead and explain the general concept of a... Mr. Schwartz: All right, you have no problem pulling a building permit to build. If you were building a 400,000 square foot office building, a major office building at that location, then we would have to go back for review, but we have like a credit available for a certain amount of development for the next five years in this area, and there is no problem. We don't envision any problem, you know, falling in under that credit. 8 February 11, 1988 Ms. McQueen: So that means you can't build a home then? Mr. Schwartz You can build a home. You can build whatever the existing zoning allows, and I believe that would allow for a residential or commercial, at that location. Mr. Dawkins: What's the square footage required for a office building? Mayor Suarez: Well, it goes back to the minimum wide and I believe it is 5,000 square feet now. Mr. Dawkins: What? Mr. Schwartz: 5,000 square feet. Mr. Dawkins: OK, and she has a 60 by 100 foot lot. What does she have? Mr. Schwartz: She has 5,000 square feet. She could build an office building. Mr. Dawkins: 50 by 100? Mr. Schwartz: 5,000. Mr. Dawkins: 50 by 100? Mr. Schwartz: 50 by 100 is 5,000 square feet. Mr. Dawkins: She can put a hotel on that?... and have parking, ample parking and all the amenities. Mr. Schwartz: She could build... Mr. Dawkins: Thank you, thank you. No, no, let them go ahead, Commissioner, leave them alone. Ms. McQueen: It is right behind Mt. Zion Baptist Church. Mr. Dawkins: Go ahead, say what now? Mr. Schwartz: On that lot, lot of that size, you could build office space. If you had parking, you probably would have to elevate the building and the first floor would have to be devoted to parking. You probably would be required to provide three or four parking spaces. Mr. Dawkins: Dawkins. Mayor Suarez: Under our code, you would not be able to build a very large building on a 50 by 100 square foot, but you could build office, if you wanted there. Mr. Dawkins: And I keep, and this brings it back to what I keep telling you. See, here is a lady with a lot, and with a HODAG, she could put up a mixed use building, but you never come in here with her. You always come in here with the big developers and I keep telling you over and over that there is some damn people out there that we could help who is not a big developer, and here is a prime example. I didn't send for her, she happened up her, so you know, let's find out how we can help... see, because, I know Mrs. McQueen, OK? She's not about to sell her property. She is not going to give it away, and she is not going to sell it. She is going to try to retain it for her grandchildren, or somebody to have ownership of, so we are going to have to try to find a way to help her keep it. Ms. McQueen: And it is 50 by 150. I think you said 50 by 100. Mr. Dawkins: Well, I said 50 by 100. I said 50 by 100. Ms. McQueen: Oh. Mayor Suarez: Then you would have 7,500. That would... Mr. Dawkins: 7,500, wouldn't build nothing "X," we know that. 9 February 11, 1988 0 Mayor Suarez: You wouldn't be able to build much of a building on that kind of lot. Mr. Dawkins: Go right ahead, sir. Mayor Suarez: It just wouldn't be very large. Yes, you could build a building there, but it wouldn't be very large. Mr. Dawkins: It would be cost prohibitive, Mrs. McQueen, that's what we are saying. It would be cost prohibitive. You would build it, you would never get your money back, that's all we are saying. We'd have to need more space to build more building in order for it to be profitable, that is what the Mayor is saying. Rev. James Guy: Yes, my name is Reverend James Guy, I'm new here in Florida, from North Carolina, and we own this, it used to be the Lance Theater over there, we still own it. I'm here trying to find some intelligence on what is going on over in Overtown, around that structure of the building. Mayor Suarez: Give us the address. Rev. Guy: The address is 819 NW 2nd Avenue. Mayor Suarez: So you are talking about 8th Street and 2nd Avenue. ' Mr. Schwartz: It's the Willard Theater, the old Willard Theater. The City of Miami... first of all, the Black Archives Research Foundation of South Florida, has a grant of 150,000 from the State of Florida for acquisition and rehabilitation of that building. They have... I believe they are trying to make contact with the church, possibly buy the building. We have spoken to a representative, someone who said he is representing the church about this recently. We're going to talk to you afterwards. The area directly behind you has been purchased by the City, 'and the area to the north of you, we are very much anxious to have this building restored and put back into some type of community use. It is one of the few historic buildings still remaining in the Overtown area. Mr. Dawkins: But, did anybody explain to the gentlemen that Commissioner _ Plummer said and it is the policy of this Commission, that if an individual does not want his property, or her property, declared historical, that it can't be declared historical? Mr. Schwartz: It has never been, officially, by the City. It is on the list of potential sites to be designated. Mr. Dawkins: No, no, that is not my question. My question to you is, did anybody tell this gentlemen that even though the Black Archives is desirous of making his property a historical site, that he does not have to abide by that, If he doesn't want to. Mayor Suarez: If you are property owner, can you stop the designation as a historic... Mr. Schwartz: I take it back that property has been designated. It was designated a few years ago, and it was, at that time, I believe that the church consented to it. It has been owned by the church for a number of years. We have been in contact with different people from the church. I'd like to meet with you afterwards... Rev. Guy. All right. Mr. Schwartz: ... to find out exactly who is the representative of the church. This is one of the problems we have had recently. Mayor Suarez: The City has had in mind, and has been planning for a major development for many, many years in that area. We are not sure if that will ever come to pass. We think this step we are taking today will increase the chances that it will, and in the next 45 days I guess we will know better, but If you want to meet with staff and get an explanation from them as to what we have been envisioning, you know, would happen in that area, and then you might want to meet with the Commissioners on our respective opinions on whether we 10 February 11, 1988 AS think it is going to happen or not, and whether we think we are getting any support from Miami's banking community and from the so-called establishment, on getting this project off the ground, that's also something you might want to do, but we think that by putting this under an umbrella development order, it helps developers to make this more viable, and we will have more news in the next 45 days. If you see us doing some groundbreaking out there, that means that we have succeeded. If you don't, we didn't. Mr. Dawkins: And don't come to see me unless you are talking about developing something where your church can make some money off of it. Rev. Guy: Well, that's what I want. Mr. Dawkins: OK, now, don't come to see me for nothing else, sir. Rev. Guy: That's what I want to know. Mr. Dawkins: All right, that's all I need to hear. If you and your church are talking about putting something up there to make money, you got me. Rev. Guy: All right. Mr. Dawkins: If you are talking about putting up something up there for social work and have church and sing and pray, you lose me. All right, sir. Rev. Guy: OK, that's what I need to know. Mrs. Delores Guy: (OFF MIKE) Where might we take..... Mayor Suarez: Come up to the mike, please. Mrs. Delores Guy: To the Mayor, I'm Delores Guy. I would like to know, where might we pick up a complete package, or it wouldn't be a complaint to file, as to what is actually taking place in that particular area. Mayor Suarez: Matthew... Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Matthew Schwartz. Mr. Plummer: You better bring a truck. Mr. Dawkins: You want one too, Mrs. ... OK. Ms. Guy: Thank you, thank you very much. Mayor Suarez: OK, any other questions, Mr. Post? Mr. Tom Post: My name is Tom Post, 901 NE 2nd Avenue in Miami. I think what I have heard here is probably the most concisive comments about the plan that I have heard today. I'm very concerned, as you are, about the flexibility of the plan. Has the staff told you how one goes about building a hotel in the area, if that is desired by a developer? How do we accomplish that? The reason that I am a little concerned about it, and I've not talked to any of you about this, about the entire plan. Mayor Suarez: Well, Tom, let me just answer hypothetically, if the answer is not, that it is a heck of a lot simpler, after we've passed the development order, than it was under the existing legislation that requires the developer to go to the South Florida Regional Planning Council, etc., then we are in trouble. Why, do you have a feeling it is not that way? Mr. Post: I have a feeling that it would almost be easier to build a motel, or a hotel on Biscayne Boulevard, by going to the South Regional Planning Council. Mayor Suarez: Why? That really is trouble if you feel that way. Mr. Post: Well, you were telling me during the first five years there are no hotel rooms. Mayor Suarez: No, no, just that the number of... it February 11, 1988 Mr. Post: Fine, and you have to trade off in order to accomplish that, and... Mayor Suarez: We don't have any current plans, for example, to build an exhibit facility there, so if you can use all those credits for a hotel... Mr. Post: What the trade-off is? Can somebody just tell us what the trade- off is? Mayor Suarez: Yes, what is the trade-off factor? Can anybody give that to us? Mr. Plummer: It's negotiable. Mayor Suarez: Sergio? What is the trade-off factor between a square foot of exhibit facility, for example, and a square foot of hotel. It all goes back to the trip ... Mr. Rodriguez: It goes to the trip generation factor again. Mayor Suarez: Trip generation? Mr. Rodriguez: It depends on the number of trips. Mayor Suarez: What is it roughly? Do you have any idea? (INAUDIBLE COMMENTS NOT ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD) r r! Mayor Suarez: Well, this worries me, because if Tom is arguing that it is harder under our development order than under the South Florida Regional e Planning Council. We have all of the staff here. If we can't give them a simple answer to a fairly simply question, then that really worries me, Sergio. Mr. Rodriguez: If I may, if he wants, if he releases that, he has the option to do that, and he cannot, out of this development order, and go to the Regional Planning Council, and go through the whole process, it takes two years. Mayor Suarez: OK, that's a very subtle argument and brilliant argument, but the point is, this should be making it easier. Mr. Rodriguez: This should make it easier. Mayor Suarez: Yes, can you put your heads together and tell me, in terms of trip generations, how one square foot of exhibit space does in comparison to square foot of hotel space. =` Mr. Post: Let me explain why I think that's... Mayor Suarez: Because if that is not an easy question to answer from our .. technical support for this, then I wonder what the heck we are doing here. s Yes, Tom. Mr. Post: Well, you just look at Miami, and you look at the progress that you are making downtown. You've got a great new arena. You've got a proposal for a convention center. You've got a proposal for a convention center in the Dupont Plaza blocks, which would make a great location, but it is not definite as yet. Your other site that was selected then, was the Park West area. You already own the land right next to the arena. You've got a Metrorail station there. You could put a convention center on City owned land immediately adjacent to the arena. Now, what does that then generate? Well, that is going to generate hotels in order to make the convention center usable, and the best place for hotels is along the I-95 corridor, so that's one. Two is, you all know the... Mayor Suarez: You realistically don't think that it would take us five years to... assuming that we made that decision to build a convention facility there, which we have not made, it would take us five years to get that done? Mr. Post: No sir. All I am pointing out is as Marty Fine likes to say, a couple of observations. The other observation is... 12 February 11, 1988 Mayor Suarez: Some of his observations lately have not been exactly on the mark, I might add. Mr. Post: All right, the other observation... Mayor Suarez: One of them in particular that I could think of is my good friend. Mr. Post: The other observation is the tremendous growth in the cruise industry which we are all aware of, and you know, the tremendous market, if anyone just simply read this morning's Herald on the Japanese bringing in more and more people, more and more tourists, which is what we want to try to do. It ought to be easy to go into the hotel business in Florida. Maybe they have got an answer now. Mayor Suarez: Well, is that a simple mathematical question that I have posed? - or is it as complicated as it seems like, watching you all caucus over there? Mr. Rodriguez: We have it in the application which is a big document that we have in the office. We can go and pick it up if you want to. The only thing that I think that might help you in giving you some comfort in this is, it doesn't have to go back to the Regional Planning Council for this. The staff was established based on the calculations that we have of the amount of trips that will be created by each land use and with concurrence from the staff of the Regional Planning Council, because we have been going through this for one year now in the calculations. We can have a trade-off of one use for another. Mayor Suarez: Let them do this for me, at least, I don't know about the rest of the Commissioners... for me, prepare for future understanding of this, an illustrative case that says suppose we decide in the next... there is no other development in the next five years, we are not building the convention facility, but somebody comes in the next month and wants to build a hotel of "X" size. What would be a factor? How many of those square feet of credit for a convention facility would have to be used to build that hotel? Mr. Rodriguez: We will prepare that for you, sure. Mayor Suarez: Thank you, because you have done that in the past in some other situations. They clarify a lot for us and... Mr. Post: And the maximum retail, as I understand it, is 66,000 square feet? Mr. Plummer: In the first increment, yes. Mr. Rodriguez: In the first phase. Mr. Post: In the first five years. And what do you trade off for that for increases there? Mr. Plummer: You are running out of trade-offs) Mr. Post: Well, I just want to be serious with you. Now, I mean, I think... Mayor Suarez: You understand that we have an overall planning concept that we hope will work, Tom, and that if you begin to exceed it in some points, and we have to reduce somewhere else, otherwise you get... you have to go back to the Regional Planning, and exactions and everything else to provide for... w Mr. Post: Fine, I understand. I understand. That's why I always... Mr. Plummer: Have you got a copy of this? Mr. Post: Yes, sir. Mr. Plummer: Well, there is five categories. Office, retail, hotel, residential and convention. That's your five categories. So, when you start trading one for another, one has got to suffer to the detriment of another. Mayor Suarez: I presume we have put in the first five year increment the maximum that we think can be possibly put for... right, and we have just tried to plan in accordance with what we would like to have in the area, but you know, changes can be made, obviously. 13 February 11, 1988 Mr. Rodriguez: And something that we can clarify also you know - assuming that there was a development that would like to come under this DRI that is not contemplating the first increment. We can amend this and go with the next increment 11, ahead of time. Mayor Suarez: We can be ahead of the next increment, and without going to the South Florida Regional Planning Council on that? Mr. Rodriguez: We can do it. Well, we can do it, we have to go through them as part of two of the impacts that they have on traffic and air quality, but we can move the increment II ahead of time. Mr. Dawkins: What are we building in here to ensure that local contractors and local subcontractors get the work? Mr. Plummer: In this document, none. Mr. Schwartz: The DRI does not include, does not address that at all. Mr. Dawkins: Why not? Mr. Schwartz: It is not one of the requirements or elements of it. The City Commission, as far as the Southeast Overtown/Park West plan amendment approved it, when the County Commission approved it, specified goals for minority participation, and that's really what we have been operating under. rt Mr. Dawkins: See, this is what I am talking about, when you say legislation and legislative intent. See my intent is that it goes to local builders. Then you tell me it is not required, therefore when I pass it and then you bring in a contractor from Tupelo, Mississippi, I've got nothing to argue against, because it wasn't required. Mayor Suarez: Well, but he has got, let's see now, let's clarify. You have got a Southeast Overtown/Park West tax increment district. Within that, any -= monies that go into a tax increment, and that we use for development in the area, do have all of those... Mr. Schwartz: Any public investment, or project where the City is involved with, we do have some control of... we have full control over who gets and the amount of minority participation and contracts. Hr. Dawkins: In private... what about land, if we don't have to put no money? If we put the land up, what? If the land belongs to us, what? Hr. Schwartz: We have full control over how it is disposed. Hr. Dawkins: But, so all I am saying is, me personally, will only feel good with this if it is written and spelled out in writing. That's just one. What is your recommendation, Hr. Rodriguez? Mr. Rodriguez: Our recommendation, sir, is that you approve today both of these development orders, both increment I and the master development order, so that we can proceed and make development easier for this area of the City. Mr. Dawkins: Is it corning back the second time? Mr. Rodriguez: No, sir, this is final, resolution. Mr. Plummer: Sergio, excuse me... Mr. Dawkins: Go ahead, Mr. Plummer. Mr. Plummer: Would you tell me again, how many hotel rooms in the first increment of the master downtown? Mr. Rodriguez: Just one second. Mr. Plummer: You said 4,000. Mr. Rodriguez: No, I said 1,000. 14 February 11, 1988 A M, Mayor Suarez: He said, 1,000. Mr. Plummer: How much? Mr. Rodriguez: 1,000 rooms. Mr. Plummer: 1,000. Mr. Rodriguez: Right. Mr. Plummer: I misunderstood you. I understood you to say... Mr. Rodriguez: I'm sorry, no. Mr. Plummer: Because what you are saying here, in the next 1,500 years, in the downtown area, you can only build 2,600 total rooms, before you start... Mr. Rodriguez: What we are saying, to clarify that in the development order for downtown, not this one, we can build 2,600, unless we trade in. Mayor Suarez: Those are pre -approved, is what he is saying, that's right. Mr. Rodriguez: Pre -approved, I mean, that's the bank. tl Mayor Suarez: I mean, otherwise you have to come back and go through the whole process and... T �= u Mr. Rodriguez: That's our back of development credits. i Mayor Suarez: ... prove that you are not destroying the area with more than $2,600, which... Mr. Plummer: And every one of us better get down on our knees, because tied to this order, and pray that the Brickell extension of the people mover is in _ place, because if it is not by 1992, this City is going to have to cough up an -- awful lot of money, because that is one of the items tied to this DRI. Well, _- the other one, yes, the downtown is with that. Mayor Suarez: I'm not even going to touch that one. OK, anything else from anyone? x a' Mr. Dawkins: I move it, if somebody seconds. Mayor Suarez: Moved, do we have a second? Mrs. Kennedy: I second. Mayor Suarez: Seconded. Mr. Dawkins: All right, under discussion. Mayor Suarez: At your own risk. E Mr. Dawkins: This is going to be appealed, in opinion. In the event that it is appealed, I want you to come back and sit down with me and as we have to discuss it in the future, I want it written in there, that "local contractors only," if it is appealed. If it is not appealed, I can't put it in now, because like you said, it is already written, and it is already done. Mr. Plummer: No, no, you can modify all you want this today. You are not bound by what you have in front of you. That's why it is here, so that we can modify it if we want. You can modify this today. Am I correct? Mr. Rodriguez: You can modify it today. I don't believe you can require that, though. Mr. Plummer: Well, the question is, is whether or not... Mr. Dawkins: Why can't I require it? Mr. Rodriguez: I think you are requiring that to your other implementation documents that you have for Southeast Overtown/Park West, but not in this one. 15 February 11, 1988 0 A Mr. Dawkins: All right, whose tax dollars are going to be used, Dade County's, or Broward County's? Mr. Rodriguez: What this is... Mr. Dawkins: Whose tax dollars will be used? Dade County's tax dollars will pay for this, or Broward County's tax dollars? Mr. Plummer: No, to pay for this is City of Miami tax dollars. Mr. Dawkins: OK, City of Miami tax dollars, OK. Mayor Suarez: No, it is not a private... Mr. Dawkins: Why? Yes, it is. Mayor Suarez% (OFF MIKE) No, taxes at all this is not a private development. This is Mr. Rodriguez: This is just a process to make development easier for developers to come and develop Southeast Overtown/Park West. Mr. Dawkins: All right, then, the developer will come in with with a complete package. He will no zoning variances, he will need no UDAG, he will need no HODAG, he will need nothing, just go to building. r� z -„ Mr. Bailey: No, no, no. u Mr. Rodriguez: They have to go through the... Mr. Dawkins: Is that correct? Mr. Bailey: No. Mr. Rodriguez: No. Mr. Dawkins: All right then, damn it, I've got a lever. If he don't do this, I don't give up nothing. "., Mayor Suarez: If there is any public involvement, you can put whatever requirements you want that are legal. Mr. Dawkins: Mr. Mayor, thank you. Mr. Rodriguez: Public involvement of ownership. Mayor Suarez: Right, not just the simple approval of the regional impact plan. Yes, Tom. Mr. Post: It is my understanding that the Freedom Tower area is within this boundary. Mayor Suarez: Sure looks that way. Mr. Post: It would appear to me that one development, which is a great development, the tower behind the Freedom Tower, would simply wipe out all development in the Park West area. That one development alone, in the Park West Overtown area accounts for more square footage than the total of all the square footage you have together in increment I. In other words... Mayor Suarez: How much total square footage is increment I? Mr. Rodriguez: On increment... Mayor Suarez: No, no, total. Mr. Rodriguez: It is a combination, but you have... Mr. Post: Half a million. Mr. Rodriguez: Half a million plus 2,000 units. Our understanding... 16 February 11, 1988 Mr. Post: I'm telling you, one building will wipe out your entire five year plan. Mr. Rodriguez: Then they have... Mr. Plummer: Are you talking about office, or retail, or both? Mr. Post: And convention, sir. Mayor Suarez: I hope it does, I mean, I hope we get that kind of building that wipes out the entire... Mr. Post: Vell, I mean, that's it! That is exactly correct, Mr. Mayor, you are 100 percent correct! Mayor Suarez: I hope it does! I hope... Mr. Post: But, then, where does that leave everybody else? Mayor Suarez: Then they are not pre -approved and they have to go through the entire regional planning process again, Tom. o Mr. Post: OK, so all the... Mr. Schwartz: It is not the whole process... Mr. Post: So all these folks on 2nd Avenue and 3rd Avenue and everybody else goes through the process, OK. Mr. Schwartz: No. Mayor Suarez: No, no, a small project... what is the minimum before you even get into this? Mr. Rodriguez: What we are saying with this is that projects under 10,000 square feet don't have to go through the process, so they will be OK, if they go into that level. It will be for people like you, maybe, which are big developers, that will have to go through the process. Mr. Schwartz: There really isn't... Mayor Suarez: OK, wait, there is no question from the Commission, so unless there is, I am going to call the question. Call the roll. 17 February 11, 1988 0 A The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Dawkins, who moved its adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 88-110 A RESOLUTION CONCERNING THE SOUTHEAST OVERTOWN/PARK WEST _ DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT, ENCOMPASSING AN AREA OF THE CITY OF MIAMI DESIGNATED IN 1982 BY RESOLUTION NO. 82- 755, AS THE SOUTHEAST OVERTOWN/PARK WEST COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA (MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HEREIN), PURSUANT TO AN APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROPOSED BY THE CITY OF MIAMI; AUTHORIZING A MASTER DEVELOPMENT ORDER; APPROVING SAID DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT AFTER CONSIDERING THE REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE SOUTH FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AND THE CITY OF MIAMI PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT ORDER ATTACHED HERETO AS EXHIBIT "A", THE APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL INCORPORATED HEREIN BY REFERENCE, AND THE REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE SOUTH FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL INCORPORATED HEREIN BY REFERENCE; MAKING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW, PROVIDING THAT THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT ORDER SHALL BE BINDING ON THE APPLICANT AND SUCCESSORS IN INTEREST; DIRECTING THE CITY CLERK TO SEND COPIES OF THIS RESOLUTION AND MASTER DEVELOPMENT ORDER TO ., AFFECTED AGENCIES AND THE APPLICANT; DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO TAKE ALL ACTIONS NECESSARY TO FULFILL THE CITY'S OBLIGATIONS UNDER THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. (Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file in the Office of the City Clerk.) Upon being seconded by Commissioner Kennedy, the resolution was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Vice Mayor Rosario Kennedy Mayor Xavier L. Suarez NOES: None. ABSENT: Commissioner Victor De Yurre 2. APPROVE SOUTHEAST OVERTOWN/PARK WEST DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT; AUTHORIZE INCREMENT 1 DEVELOPMENT ORDER. Mayor Suarez: Resolution 2, I entertain a motion. Mrs. Kennedy: Move it. Mayor Suarez: Moved. Mr. Dawkins: Second. Mayor Suarez: Seconded. Any discussion? Call the roll. 18 February 11, 1986 The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Kennedy, who moved its adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 88-111 A RESOLUTION CONCERNING THE SOUTHEAST OVERTOWN/PARK WEST DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT, ENCOMPASSING AN AREA OF THE CITY OF MIAMI, DESIGNATED IN 1982 BY RESOLUTION NO. 82-755, AS THE SOUTHEAST OVERTOWN/PARK WEST COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA (MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HEREIN), PURSUANT TO AN APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROPOSED BY THE CITY OF MIAMI; AUTHORIZING AN INCREMENT I DEVELOPMENT ORDER; APPROVING SAID DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT AFTER CONSIDERING THE REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE SOUTH FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AND THE CITY OF MIAMI PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE INCREMENT I DEVELOPMENT ORDER ATTACHED HEREIN AS EXHIBIT "A", THE APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL INCORPORATED HEREIN BY REFERENCE, AND THE REPORT - AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE SOUTH FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL INCORPORATED HEREIN BY REFERENCE; MAKING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW; PROVIDING THAT THE INCREMENT I DEVELOPMENT ORDER SHALL BE BINDING ON THE APPLICANT AND SUCCESSORS IN INTEREST; DIRECTING THE CITY !� CLERK TO SEND COPIES OF THIS RESOLUTION AND THE INCREMENT I DEVELOPMENT ORDER TO AFFECTED AGENCIES AND THE APPLICANT; DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO TAKE ALL ACTIONS NECESSARY TO FULFILL THE CITY'S OBLIGATIONS UNDER THE ' INCREMENT I DEVELOPMENT ORDER; AND PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. (Here follows body of resolution, omitted here - and on file in the Office of the City Clerk.) Upon being seconded by Commissioner Dawkins, the resolution was passed and adopted by the following vote: - AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. i Vice Mayor Rosario Kennedy Mayor Xavier L. Suarez NOES: None. ABSENT: Commissioner Victor De Yurre 3. URGE U.S. GOVERNMENT TO INCREASE COAST GUARD PRESENCE IN SOUTH FLORIDA TO COMBAT ILLICIT DRUGS. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, can I bring up, I think an important subject, just to pass a resolution? As we all are aware through the media, the Coast Guard is having a hell of a problem in the fact that they are proposed to be cut back In their budget. That directly affects the drug problem in the South Florida. I would urge this Commission to pass a resolution... (THEREUPON, COMMISSIONER PLUMMER READS RESOLUTION IN THE RECORD. SEE HEREINBELOW) If they are cut back, it is going to cut back on their enforcement power, and _ I would move this resolution by this Commission, and urge that it be forwarded to all the appropriate people involved. I so move. Mr. Dawkins: I second. Mayor Suarez: So moved and seconded. Mr. Dawkins: Under discussion. 19 February 11, 1988 Mayor Suarez: Discussion. Mr. Dawkins: With the media saying that Haiti is another drop off point for drugs, there is no better time to increase the Coast Guard's surveillance than now, because while they are also looking to interdict Haitians, they can also interdict drugs, so when you talk about cutting the Coast Guard, you are talking about doing us a great injustice. Mr. Plummer: Well, what I am basically talking about is budgetary. If they are cut back, everything that they do will suffer, and the one thing that I don't think this community can stand still for, 1 was very pleased, not with any outside interest, to see that the problems that we had here, last year, are now the problems being experienced in Atlanta. I am sure the people in Atlanta are going to raise hell about that, but, so be it. Mayor Suarez: So moved and seconded. Any discussion? Call the roll. The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 88-112 A RESOLUTION URGING THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT TO INCREASE THE COAST GUARD PRESENCE IN SOUTH FLORIDA, MAINTAINING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S COMMITMENT TO SUPPORT STATE AND LOCAL AGENCIES IN COMBATTING THE FLOW OF ILLICIT r� DRUGS INTO THE UNITED STATES. (Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file in the Office of the City Clerk.) Upon being seconded by Commissioner Dawkins, the resolution was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Vice Mayor Rosario Kennedy Mayor Xavier L. Suarez NOES: None. ABSENT: Commissioner Victor De Yurre 4. BRIEF COMMENTS BY MR. JEROME GLEEKEL CONCERNING SEMINAR ON AFRICA (10OPERATION CROSSROADS AFRICA, INC.-) AND INTRODUCING AFRICAN VISITORS: MESSRS. M. CHARLY, DIANGO HEBIE AND M. JOSEPH LIBOVILLI. Mr. Dawkins: Mayor, you have some visitors from Africa. Would you acknowledge their presence. Mayor Suarez: Yes, Jerry, do you want to introduce them? Mr. Jerome Gleekel: Mr. Mayor, and members of the Commission, the Northeast Miami Chamber of Commerce was asked by the United States State Department to run a seminar during this week, under Operation Crossroads Africa, for three representatives who are our counterparts in their countries, involved with their chambers of commerce and I brought them here to see how we work, and also for you to meet with them, and I will ask each one to stand, please, as I mention his name from Birkina-Fasso, Monsieur Hebie, who is the economic advisor, Director of Studies and Information for the Birkina Chamber of Commerce; and from the Congo, Mr. Joseph Libouilli, who is Council of Small Businesses Ministry of Commerce, and from Togo, Mr. Djahlin Broohm, who is Deputy General Secretary of the Chamber of Commerce, Agriculture and Industry. We have afforded them visits to various parts of our City, and they denote Innumerable similarities with their problems, as we went through the inner City. We just left Coconut Grove and gave them the disparities with which they had comparisons. I think one of the nicest things that I can report on this record has been our learning from them, and a much greater and deeper 20 February 11, 1988 sense of understanding which each of them, and I think it has been a remarkable week. Thank you. Mayor Suarez: Thank you. Welcome to Miami, and we will give you a present from the City to signify and represent your visit to our fine City and I guess that is why we see David over there, because they must have been going through the Grove, right? When are we going to get that project, the grant on 37th going, David? Mr. Plummer: They've already torn down the filling station. Mayor Suarez: I could have sworn I saw it in the paper, yes. Is that good news? Mr. David Alexander: We are working on trying to get a deal for the Coconut Grove Family Clinic, to vacate the park premises and become the major tenant, the anchor tenant. We have had preliminary discussions and now we are going to meet with the board and see if we can get... Mayor Suarez: Well, that is an excellent idea. You will have a little bit more people moving over there. Mr. Alexander: Yes, sir, and also, it is a positive use. Mayor Suarez: Very good. 5. RESCHEDULE SECOND REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING OF FEBRUARY, 1988. Mayor Suarez: Do we have to do anything about the next Commission meeting, Aurelio? call it for 5:00 p.m.? We have nothing that would require us to meet before 5:00 p.m.? Mr. Aurelio Perez-Lugones: That is correct, sir. Mayor Suarez: That's not the next one, rather, but... Mr. Dawkins: You be here at 5:00 p.m. I'm going home at 9:00 p.m. Mr. Clark: That's the 25th. Mr. Dawkins: I'm holding you responsible. Mayor Suarez: The problem is that we can't schedule planning and zoning. Mr. Dawkins: I'm holding you responsible for the agenda, OK? Mayor Suarez: We can't schedule... Mr. Dawkins: At 9:00 o'clock, I'm going home! Mr. Perez-Lugones: I am always responsible for the agenda, sir. Mayor Suarez: OK, Aurelio, but wait. Mr. Dawkins: You had better start at 3:00 p.m. and break. Mr. Perez-Lugones: We cannot, because 5:00 o'clock is the State mandated... Mayor Suarez: Aurelio, but wait, wait. Now, are you telling us there isn't a single item that you have scheduled for after 5:00 p.m. that cannot be heard before 5:00 p.m.? Mr. Perez-Lugones: That is correct, sir. Mayor Suarez: Not one personal appearance, not one discussion item? Not one... yes, you put all kinds of things on planning and zoning agendas. You have got nothing that cannot be heard before 5:00 p.m. by law? 21 February 11, 1988 Mr. Rodriguez: Legally, you could hear some of them, but you don't want them, because for example, the Coconut Grove traffic study, you want them after hours. Mayor Suarez: We scheduled them for after 5:00 p.m.? Mr. Rodriguez: Yes, the ones that are controversial, you would like to have them after 5:00 o'clock, so people can come. Mayor Suarez: Well, we get to the point that we have some people who are sort of like professionals coming to City Hall. I don't really care about them having to be here after 5:00 p.m., that's the way I feel about it. We spend huge amounts of time with them and I don't know if they do some other kind of work, but they come here all the time, for myself, I wouldn't care. Mr. Plummer: They are professionals. Mayor Suarez: Yes, they are really professionals. All right, in any event, the great bulk of the items have to be heard after 5:00 p.m. by law? Mr. Perez-Lugones: Yes, that is correct, sir. Mr. Plummer: So moved. Mr. Dawkins: Second. r Mayor Suarez: Seconded, any discussion? Call the roll. ,. Mr. Dawkins: I'm going home at 9:00 o'clock. I'll tell everybody. 1 ' The following resolution was introduced by Commissioner Plummer, who moved its adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 88-113 A RESOLUTION RESCHEDULING THE SECOND REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF FEBRUARY, 1988 TO TAKE PLACE ON FEBRUARY 25, 1988, COMMENCING AT 5:00 P.M. ON SAID DATE. (Here follows body of resolution, omitted here and on file in the Office of the City Clerk.) Upon being seconded by Commissioner Dawkins, the resolution was passed and adopted by the following vote: AYES: Commissioner Miller J. Dawkins Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr. Vice Mayor Rosario Kennedy Mayor Xavier L. Suarez NOES: None. ABSENT: Commissioner Victor De Yurre Mayor Suarez: This meeting is adjourned. Mr. Plummer: Mr. Mayor, before you adjourn, I just want to go on the public record... Mayor Suarez: This meeting is not adjourned. Mr. Plummer: ... that if Cesar Odio gives a second thought of leaving the City of Miami, I personally am going to break both of his legs! I just want to put that on the record. Mayor Suarez: This meeting is adjourned. 22 February 11, 1988 •• •• mrnnns�fgsp mn�� �z-� _-, - THMM BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO COME BMRE THE CITT COMMISSION, THE tlB1 ING WAS AWOURNED AT 4:25 P.M. ATTEST: Natty Hirai CITT CLERK _ Walter J. Foeaaa ASSISTANT CITT CLERK Xavier L. Suarez m A T O R 23 February 11, 1988 VN CITY OF MIAMI DOCUMENT INDEX ammiQum FEBRUARY 11, 1988 APPROVE SOUTHEAST OVERTOWN/PARK WEST DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT: AUTHORIZE MASTER DEVELOPMENT ORDER. APPROVE SOUTHEAST OVERTOWN/PARK WEST DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMAPCT: AUTHORIZE INCREMENT 1 DEVELOPMENT ORDER URGE U.S. GOVERNMENT TO INCREASE COAST GUARD PRESENCE IN SOUTH FLORIDA TO COMBAT ILLICIT DRUGS. RESCHEDULE SECOND REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING OF FEBRUARY 1988. 88-110 88-111 88-112 88,-113