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On the 6th day of September, 1990, the City Comission
of Miami,
Florida, met in the Committee of the Whole (C.O.V.) Room at City
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Pan :American Drive, Florida, to review the proposed 1990-91
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Budget.
The meeting was called to order at 9s42 a.m. by Commissioner
Alonso with fiy
the following members of the Commission found to be present:
Commissioner Miriam Alonso
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Commissioner Victor De Yurre
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Commissioner J. L. Plummer, Jr.
Vice Mayor Miller J. Dawkins
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Mayor Xavier L. Suarez
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Cesar Odio, City Manager
Jorge L. Hernandez, City Attorney
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Matty Hirai, City Clerk
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Walter J. Foemen, Assistant City Clerk
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1. FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP ON THE FY 90-91 BUDGET DISCUSSION
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DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS- Public Works
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Mr. Luis Prieto- .Good morning, Commissioner.
Commissioner Alonso: Good morning.
Mr..Prietos I placed-, before you a small copy of the budget and the
organization chart of the department. As you can see, the department's budget-
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this year is twelve million eight hundred and fifty-five thousand. What.gre
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have is, essentially,a budget that is 1 percent increase over last year 4
spite of the fact that we have had a substantial increase ,in the fees we pay
the County. Primarily, for the.release of materials that we pick up from the
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streets, cleaning out the storm water drainage lines, the streets themselves',
that has been accomplished by. reductions and other, operational costs. If you
wily note, the primary element that really increased in expenditures to
operating services. That went from a little over a million to five point four .
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million dollars. The reason for that is that the department is now paying
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Florida Power and Lights street lighting fee which is four
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dollars alone. That is a plum that we would like to pluck, and we have a'fe�►
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ideas that we are working on. The City Manager has authorized me to come up
With some ideas of how we can in fact, save the City those four point'oRa.
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million dollars that we presently pay Florida Power and Light. So we ars
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working on that, hopefully this year, we will see some resolution of'that's
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that's going to be a very positive change in our budget, l}ut ia` genersi' you
can see that the budget is practically balanced. We ara'-$80G,i100 shy of bsi�
self-sufficieAt. This is a far cry from last year when we drew xi* -point
million dollars from the General Fund. So than is ssl�sxttidly a lug0 "
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increase, it's eight hundred percent increase in an effort,And that h#a AAA
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done primarily because this year, with the support of the City Man+�►ger° hQt~a,",
single contract has $one to outside consultants, everything has beea done
house, And by doing it in-house, we have done not only dosign, constmetloe
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and inepoction, but in fact, we have done all tho preliminary engia�►sri�+`
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which in the past has also been dune by outside consultants.
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Mr,a: - I thieik this is ; s - i �etant Valat ' bacawse tililril is A i�t - ��
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dabatem hAti+otiVide . CoMimsiono r about privatization where it says, . in4aurj
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trod. I think with public Vorka we Might show some...- Vhen you go privrate, is
Many asses, you icvme control and you have to pay out-of=pocket dollar that
you might. or might not have. In this came, you have the employees., so that'
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can.generate revenues, and those dollars stay in-house, and Your out-of-poOkat
abet is the salaries 'only, which you have to pay anyway. 8o, we will Nei
h6vi.4.. die are also creating, maybe I'm interrupting his...
Mr, Prieto: No, please do.
Mr, Odio: ..: the in-house construction unit. Instead of going outside with
contracts for construction, we're going to try to do it in-house and see what
happens..
Mr. Prieto: You, In fact, our first job will be at 1815 Northriver Drive and
we are going to do that in the next few days.
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Commissioner Alonso: That's good.
Mr. Prieto: What I would like to mention is also something that is also very;
interesting. In response and in continuance to what the City Manager has
said, public employees can be extremely efficient, contrary to the .popular
notion that City employees are not an efficient body to work with. The
department had three hundred employees in 1984, we presently have a hundred
and forty-eight. We now, not only... that's a fifty-one percent reduction,
it's plummeted. Not only are we producing more with the same services but we.
are actually producing this eight hundred percent in fees alone to increase
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with the same personnel, no outside consultants to justify it. So really, by
tweaking the system, the system does respond and I believe can respond more
and that's something that I would like to bring up in a future time, is that
as we continue to lose positions, I think we are now cutting into muscle,
there is no fat left.
Mr. Odio: I said it yesterday for the record, I'll repeat it again. We
cannot cut anymore. I think we have gone down to the level where we now have
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to sit back and look how we build up to a very efficient organization and not
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cut, cut is not the answer anymore, I don't believe.
Mr. Prieto: I agree. One technique that I would like to bring before the
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Commission in the future, is that for us to continue to increase our
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efficiency, we would need to replace people that we don't have with computers
and this is one way that we would like to try and it has proven to be very
successful. One of the things that we've done recently is streamline our,
operations with Building and Zoning. As you know, we are part of the process
of the plan review. Most of the plans, in fact. 98 percent oflans+ are
reviewed within fifteen minutes in Public Works. The remaining 2 percent are
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typically problematic issues that requires for example, donations of property,
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because of right -away acquisitions or corner. We have also implemented in
order to get rid of that backlog, a waiver system and we have practically
given waivers to almost everybody except where we have identified an impact to
the, City traffic services. The department has also been . the first in -'the
nation of implementing the storm water utility fund as a City, Right..norj
there are approximately 150 cities around the country that are imitating our,
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model to implement the systems. It is a very popular mechanism because it
permits the City to respond more directly to the problems rather- than using
General Funds. In general, I believe that the department has made on
incredible change this past year. We are expecting to continue the;chango'
Into this year and beside the fact that I would like to mention thot,4n.,tbe
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past, most of the design was done outside of the departments and for exampl4,
19$5, eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars, went to, outside,,conpuitantpR
none was inside the department. Today, we are expecting the department -to
generate three point seven million dollars in-house, without a penny. being
spent outside. So, I think it has been a remarkable change, weare gpety: to
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suggestions for further change, we have a few challenges based on our recent
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events, and we have a few ideas how we can approach those, but we are very
open to suggestions.
Mr, Odioi an the bond issue, it occurred .to me while watching... i )mow *a
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don't think it'd right, I think it's needed, we heed to fist the streeti
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iAgiwsd, they told us so one more tiwtie. NOV are we go3t,g beak to theme aw,kiag
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Mr.T Odiot No, we ca *not► It's..`. ; �9 .
Commitsio"ner Alonsos If is September of 168 they turned Us down, it Mae
September of 'SO?- wasn't it?
Mr. Prietot November of
Commissioner Alonsos November of 188?
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Mr, Prieto: Yes.
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Commissioner Alonsot they said no. I think times are harder nog► than. v
they were then.
Mr. Odios But the City of Miami is paying the consequences of a school board
going up...
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-� Commissioner Alonso: I know eleven percent.
i Mr. Odio: Eighteen percent.
Commissioner Alonsos Eighteen? Well, they went even higher.
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Mr. Odiot And then the County is going up today also. We don't go up, but
k people got the tax bills and people don't read the difference between City and
County and School Board taxes, they just read the bottom line that they went
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Commissioner Alonsos Well, the problem is this. They look at the taxes. And
! I had an `argument with a gentleman in a restaurant the other day, he'lines `in
Coconut Grove and his house went up, the assessment went up, I think, $40,000,L:
this year, which is a tremendous increase when you did not add anything new to '4
=1 your house. it vas a tremendous, a huge... I agree that... but it's not...
Mr. Odios It's not -us.
- Commissioner Alonsos something that we do. And he said, well, vhsn I ;
look at my bill. the City of Miami, now I have to pay, and he gave me exactly,, �
j in 'pennies and all of the increase, and he is very upset with the City to
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Miami as well as County, School Board and so on.
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Commissioner Alonsos And I said, but we did not increase anything ° and `be �
said, Nell, the fact of the matter is, I'm paying much more to the City of
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Mr. Odio: That's a fact, then. I don't know how to overcome that.
Commissioner Alonsos And it's true, we are getting more money. In yaot,`Ve 5
: are, no question about that, properties are going up but then what's happening r
is the assessment people are increasing properties in certain areas it t rt
think -that the people of Coconut Grove where they can go into the me«ket an
sell their houses at good prices, I think we're be less affected. But in_ } kF
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other areas, you just try to sell the houses at the prices they say their, are
Worth and you are going to have the hardest time of your life trying to' sell
those houses. And that's where the problem comes about.xhti
Mr. Prieto: I agree. k
Mr. Odios I was toying with the idea Commissioner, that the solution ssisht'its�
'{ to- if it's legally possible, that vs, I told him to'researoh it yeatekoys���►
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to go through assesament. in other words, if you gnat to
neighborhood or your street, like there area. some noighborboodet thewt:�rst»it
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: ►iaeionor Alontiot But then it Will have to be in the fora. of s formal
to, rather than the decision of listening to certain neighborhood groups,
b6dtuse it is nbt -necessarily the Voice of the entire community and 71 will
warier go along with the decision of a president and vice-president for to mivah
ae 1 respect theca, it will have to be in a formal vote that we can Certainly
hear frta.the people, And`I would say that in a case like that, the City, at
Miami might even have to develop a certain form to really get the voice of the
homeowners, the property owners, because it will be too risky to may, only the
dtm that vote, and after all, we are all, all of us, we are taxpayers and
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it's a very difficult afad sensitive issue and how do Wa do it? ror exafm►pie, _
once we went to Coconut Grove, you and I.i._
Mr. Prietos That's right. '
Commissioner Aloasos ... and when we were discussing the possibility of, sewer
in the area, and we were saying well, some people- a gentleman was very much t
} in favor of it, and he was with the opposition I would say, of about 99
! percent of the rest of the people. But anyway, he was, he gave very good.
reasons, I think.
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Mr. Prietos Absolutely.
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Commissioner Alonsos And he had a right to be heard, and he was very polite,
even though some people were very upset with him. But then we came up with anA
idea and said, well, we could take a vote and see what the neighborhood really
wants and go that way. And we were going to bring that to the City Commission
and then they thought they didn't even want to talk about that, and asked me
to pull the item from the agenda and I said, well, people will be waiting, you
let me know when you want it back.
Mr. Prietos That's right.
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Commissioner Alonsos Yes. So, that might be...
Mr. Prietos Let me say on that, that they are happy with their department's
position of not doing anything. As long as we don't proceed on that they are
happy. Precipitating a vote may bring in other governmental bodies that may
take positive moves to force the sewers on them.
Commissioner Alonsos I know.
Mr. Prietos ... and that the reason they backed out.
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Commissioner Alonsos I guess we can justify that most of the City of Miami
has it and...
Mr. Prieto: Ninety-eight percent, has it.
Commissioner Alonsos So, I think we are very strong on that and we could
respect the will of certain areas.
Mr. Prietos Yes, I agree. Let me amplify the idea that the City Manager put
forth. Since he told me his idea yesterday morning, I've been thinking about
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it and really, I think it's doable in this sense. Most of the problems are
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small areas. What occurs is that a lot of our streets, we took over from.
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developers. Now developers did not necessarily put in gold plating street
systems. Most of their bases are just a few inches thick, and these pavemoots
suffer distress and go out of grade. When they go out of grade the street msy
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look level, but in fact what it is, it is permitting the ponding of, rwater,-ia
certain areas. This is a local problem, we're not talking of ten blocks or
even five blocks, sometimes we're only talking of a block or a block sad -A -
half. So, we may be talking to maybe what, tan, fifteen neighbors of:, havfag
them exceed to one particular tiny job and the department has to chaGag0 its -
the way it looks at the streets, we can no longer pave fifteen block at a
time we will have to change our attitude and , pave one block, eves pave aA
hundred feet, and as long as the Neighbors that are adjacent to both sides of
the street exceed, and I see it to be a reasonable mechanise, we &ap a4f<"
forward the continued maintenance of the City streets,
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Caftiest6ner Alans6e Th tt milkht _bt..an Aibaftitivibi ireg. lie have to thii►
think 16vornment has to change the ways we did things before, no queatiah
About ;that. And the City of Miami has a tremendous challenge ahead of 611 of
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lie, and v6 have- but I think we have to bring economic development to the City
". of Miami, and be very aggressive about that, because we cannot continue to
cut, and we know that we cannot continue to go the route we' are going right
t hbvg and we have to be more aggressive in that sense.
t. Mr. Prieto: I agree, glad to hear that. I'm open up to questions if you have
any.
Commissioner Alonsoe No, I just wanted to touch basically and I know you are
thinking of possibilities, of how to resolve the negative vote of the peopl6t
I told you so, and I'm telling you again and I guess some of these ideas We ,X
will have to address and see the different areas and try to... j#
Mr, Odios The area that I am worried about is Police and Fire, because We
normally haven't gone to the voters and got and obtained their gun approval
but I don't think even with Police and Fire they would apply.
Commissioner Alonso: Let me tell you something, I think Fire Rescue and
Police are things that people are- the citizens will be willing to pay more
for things like that. We were not necessarily addressing this, but with a
group of people last night, the conversation came about and they said, Fire
Rescue was discussed because they were taking, asking the voters to sign at
the polls, they got you when you went in and when you went out and all of
- that, and people were saying well, that's something I don't mind paying for.
So, it was a very strong message.
Mr. Prieto: That's good.
Mr. Odio: We are preparing an issue, I think it's for March and if we don't
get that approved, then the replacement of fire trucks, fire rescue and police
also, I mean...
Commissioner Alonso: But what has to be done is, that the people are informed
of the issue well ahead of time, they should go and ask the City Manager will `
have to do that, talk to the radio stations, TV, public announcements so that
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the people know what's really involved and be very specific how it's going to
be used, that's another concern that the citizens have, how it's going to be
used. Is it going to be used like 'the lottery for something else? .-and,we
will continue -to pay for education the way we are now? I think that's the
worse thatcanhappen, the people lost faith with something that they gave an
overwhelming support and now we are paying a very high price for the believing
} in lottery and it's affecting the economy of the entire County and still, it" s
_ not doing what we thought it was going to do. That's very sad. OK, thank you
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# Mr. Prieto: Thank you, Commissioner.
Commissioner Alonzo: Ha, one thing, let me use this opportunity to. ask you.
Dr. Prieto,,often enough we hear complaints about people that are contractors
and otherwise, that at the time they are ready to complete the property,
Public Works of course does the inspection and tells them what about the
s' sidewalk and the different requirements that you have and quite often at the
very and, they find themselves with additional requirements. Have, your
department looked into giving a written list of requirements rather than.,juut �
giving verbal information of what is expected of them? 3rj
j Mr. Prieto: That's a good idea which we will probably implement but let me
- say that due to precisely the loss of personnel, we are out of, code
enforcement almost all together. So, we only have a couple of people, two rt
people I think that, in fact to give that advice.
Commissioner Alonso: But we don't need code enforcement, what ,we weed. is
inspectors, to be clear about the requirement,
Mr. Prieto: Tea, inspectors.
Commissioner Alonso: Prior to the work being done, this to what is expected,
this is what has to be Joao so the people will do it and quits oea►e tilt
people raving to place a bond and having to state - and problems .tb*
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x 'ihd somatimes even certain things around the parking area. And t ;think that
part has to be dbna..s
x Mt. Prieto It has to be looked in to. I promise to look into that.
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Mr. Odio: You want to... G.S.A?—
Commissioner Alonso: Yes.
Mr. Odio: Commissioner Plummer called that he is very sick and he still has
the flu and he won't be able to come by, he sends his apologies.
Commissioner Alonso: Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
Mr. Ron Williams: Good morning , Commissioner.
Commissioner Alonso: Good morning.
Mr. Williams: Just by way of introduction, we are the multifaceted department that supports the direct service providers. We are very proud of, the fact
that we've been able to accomplish through productivity and efficiency,..the
continued support for those units while this year, reducing g our budget', bY. .aE
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minor two percent. We've been able to implement what we think are state .of .
art improvements in government support to the -critical, often' emergency safety.
environments and we've been able to absorb additional expenses and allow our
people to :continue to improve through productivity. We are'the organization ,
that supports those units around the clock, often we operate twenty-four hour
services, we are there to be available particularly in those areas of Police:
and Fire, when there are critical emergencies and critical needs.'
Additionally, we work with the departments to address their needs, we work
with them to ensure that whatever services they are charged with providing,,.,
that they are not impeded by the lack of available support from"GSA (General
Services Administration). Through the years, we have been able to absorb
additional units, the Manager, through his reorganization efforts has asked us
to take on additional areas of responsibility, areas of tasks, we've been able
to do that while at the same time, again through �. g productivity, keeping our .
budget requirements in check. That is particularly important when it comes to
the amount of support, or the amount of dollars that we require from the
General Fund. This particular year, again we are very close with what our
budget numbers have been, we've reduced some four hundred thousand;,but. at
a: same time, we've been able to provide in our budget, moniea for t schedule "
replacement for police float starting late in the first quarter.. The units ' Y;
that GSA are composed of essentially are the building and property maiutouance;
services, and that includes janitorial services at most of our facial ties, }
t. Our graphics and printing requirements, our fleetmanagement, we pre:
responsible- when I may fleet management, that includes both sides of ih
house, the light equipment down to lawn mowers, all the way to' our major
equipment, i.e. garbage trucks, cranes and rubbish trucks`.` We arP ale0
responsible for the procurement division, I jointly serve as the City's chief
h' procurement officer, and in fiscal year 191, we will also be responsibly for `
continuing the implementation and operation of the minority procur"tw
program. We found a way to work that into the procurement function�ud e►e
think that because of the commonalitythere, here is some a ortuait �
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efficiency while affecting some savings. Those are the general are** th4t...�ta ;-
-` are responsible for, we are most proud of the fact that we've boeA bittry `
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improve tremendously in most areas of couaaunication syrvicas we ire �
continuing to work through Innovative techniques in mtuay other argye e h x
think that fiscal. year 191 will be no exception.
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Mr, 6dio: The one arch we have to got stronger its in the fleet maintenance.
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the budget is approved, we need to review that area, we need to have a ratio
of mechanics per vehicle. The more police officers you have the more vehicles
you have, the more mechanics you deed, and we forget that. The came thing
with Solid haste, the more truck you have the more mechanics we need, so the
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area that I believe needs strengthening in this department, is the float
maifttotnaace. That's an area that in the past has also been discussed end
well, why shouldn't we do a privatitation on them? Again, I feel that there
is not one mechanic- and that's my field, that's what I used to do, there
Isn't one shop in town that can do better work than what we can in 'fleet
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maintenance in the City of Miami. Unfortunately, we are having problems with
the police fleet and that's something you'll probably hear tomorrow. he have
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had many, many breakdowns on the police fleet, of course, they forget that
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Mr. Odio: ... no matter how good a mechanic you have, if the equipment in not
treated right, we're going to have breakdowns. This weekend alone, we, had
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forty-six patrol cars broke down and it wasn't because the mechanic didn't fix
it, in part, it was because of the treatment it received. Many accidents.
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So, we have to work with the police department to see how we can have
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incentives to keep those patrol cars from being torn apart.
Mr. Williams: Mr. Manager, I don't know if you are aware. I did meet at the
fleet repair facility commonly called our motor pool with the Assistant Chief
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Walter Martinez on Friday, and went over several of these issues and concerns,
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and he is most certainly expressed his support and willingness to work with us
toward trying to resolve the issues in this critical area.
Commissioner Alonso: Could this be because of their fault, part of their job
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or, how you will define this?
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Mr. Williams: Well, we think that as a combined effort Commissioner, we think
that we need to do the best job that we can in terms of repairing vehicles,
first time right, we need to do the best job that we can to schedule
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preventative maintenance, get those vehicles in and diagnose them to prevent
as many breakdowns. We also need help from the police administration and the
FOP toward addressing usage accidents, those kinds of things and we have a
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collective effort at this point and we are still meeting monthly.
Mr. Odio: We need to reallocate. In other words, what I'm saying is I guess,
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Commissioner Alonso: How do you compare the number of people that we have now
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and let's say, maybe three years ago?
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Mr. Williams: Essentially, we've gone down in terms of total employees in the
division from approximately 112 three years ago, down to I think this year,
we're authorized at 95. And that means total environment both light and
heavy.
Commissioner Alonso: So, do you feel that you can do the job with the number
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Mr. Williams: Most certainly, additional people as the Manager stated will
help us in our ability to return that fleet to the streets as quickly as
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possible. One of the things that we are looking at, is we operate two shifts
now, five days a week and we are reviewing opportunities for increased
productivity and efficiency with some changes there, i.e. another day a weak,
one less shift, some of those kinds of things would most certainly, the
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additional support would support those vehicles to the street quicker.
Mr. Odios I foresee that we will have to add mechanics, we have to. Itls no
sense in buying patrol cars and then you don't have enough people to keep these
on the streets so it has to be something that we are working on right now to
see how we would reallocate, so that we can add mechanics to the motor pool,
Commissioner Alonso: OK. Thank you very much.
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Mr. Bill Perryt Good morning, Commissioner.
Commissioner Alonsot Good morning.
Mr. Perryt Just to you know, recap for your information, I know you were not
bore last year when the Sports Authority came in with their presentation, just
to make a quick comparison. There was a request last year for 89/90 of
a roximately 41 2 percent increase or $322,000 increase to the budget. For
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this year 1991, we are requesting a $146,000 decrease, or twelve and one-half
percent decrease overall. We attributed that to a reduction in staff,
primarily, and also in professional services and a reduction in the rent as
well, we are looking at other ways to you know, cut back. One of the main
objectives or major projects that we have on at this particular time, is the
major league baseball effort which I'm sure you've been keeping up with in the
paper, also the hockey effort. We are closely working with a ownership group
out of Boston that is desirous of bringing in a major league hockey franchise
to the Miami Arena. We have come up with a soft memorandum of intent of this
particular ownership group that we should know by sometime tomorrow, or before
the week is out, whether or not they have come up with the adequate financing,
and we see that as a major goal, and we've been working with them as much as
possible to make that a reality. Also, there have been three ownership groups
that have applied for major league baseball franchise to be played in the City
of Miami. We've been working with them to make that become a reality as well,
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for the City of Miami. There are also some other interest that are outside,
you know, outside the City that have been putting in their effort as well but
we are desirous of coming into the City of Miami. Basically, and also,.one of
our, a few of our objectives for this coming year is to become more involved
in the community, particularly as it relates to the various youth centers. We
have been working with the City of Miami in regard to the Curtis Park Youth
Center. Right now, that program is being put together to make that become ai-
reality. There is approximately. $3.1 million dollars that the City hasF
allocated, and we want...
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Mr. Perry: Three point one million. A hundred... right. A hundred thousand
dollars that we went to lobby in Tallahassee to get for planning money. Also,
we have approached the Miami Heat in an attempt to bring that youth center
project back on the table. As you know, there was some breakdown in
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heat on the Heat to make that become a reality as well. We've gone back to
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particular area as well as ministers and what have you. Probably within the
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support as possible from the City Commission to bring that project back to the
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Also, we are looking at this year, becoming more involved in "Arts and Public
Places" project, which is a commitment that we have to fulfill based upon the
Miami Arena contract, which is approximately a 4800,000 commitment, or 1.5
percent of the construction cost of the arena. And basically what that means
is some kind of artistic project that has to be done according to the Miami
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Commissioner Alonso: Thank you:. Thank you very much. I think it's fine, the
project of Curtis Park, I think is something that should be pushed and I hope
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equipment in the Miami Arena, we're having an exhibition game on the 21tst,
which I'm certain you received your...
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inundated with request for season tickets, and basically our position has been
just to work along with the ownership group and they have to come in with
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keep you up to date on that.
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Mr. Odio: You want to do the Law Department?
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Conference Convention and Public Facilities and Parks and Recreations, we did.
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a hundred thousand dollars less than the current year. I am also reducing
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Commissioner Alonsot The three people that will have to go, salary r•a;ge Ast
Mr. Surana: I think they are mostly... vacancies - one person..# what havo''Ve
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expenses for the whole City. I feel very comfortable compared to others
budgets. I'm going to have less more grey hair.`
{ Commissioner Alonso: I like that, that you stress, real, several times..
Mr. Surana: I hope to cut down more grey hairs and less hair. Any other
questions?
Commissioner Alonso: Thank you. I'll give you a call later, there are a fear
things I'll like to ask you.
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Mr. Surana: Thank you.
S. BUDGET WORKSHOP (FY 90-91) DISCUSSION: Off Street Parking
Commissioner Alonso: Which one did you say?
Mr. Odio: Off -Street Parking is here.
Commissioner Alonso: Yes, I'll like to hear from them, you know..
Mr. Odio: Jack.
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Mr. Odio: Mulvena.
Mr. Jack Mulvena: Good morning, Commissioner. ,.
Commissioner Alonso: Good morning.
Hr. Mulvena: For the record, I'm Jack Mulvena, executive ,director :of tbe'
Department Off -Street Parking. As you see form our budget, this is, the third'.
year in a row that we have had to reduce our budget, This has boon S a result Y�
of our gross revenues flattening out as a result of the downtown <rental' not
keeping up with additional standards no, in our particular scheme since we are
an enterprise fund, our board, if we don't make as much money as we project to
do, we have to spend less. And this is the third year in a row we haverz.
reduced our budget. To give you an idea of the gross numbers ;that we de ;
with, v►o expect to, in gross revenues collect nine point Mine million dol.lara s
and this is inclusive of three garages, seventy -soma surface lots and acne_
thousand motors. The expense to manage and collect that resource is abol3t PLx
point four million:, which soaves .us about three _Y
p point five million of eat, a r
Out of that net, we have two million set aside for our debt service, the
bonds that we have already sold which loaves us in the ueigbborhood of about"
million two to a million five that we apply to our capital
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program, Those are elevator sealants, we have two programs you're pr9bxbi
familiar with, the Coconut Grove 1'1ayhous9 project which we hope .tQ #eve
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the final not income, we are projecting about a three hundr44 ,tb9u44#
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The margth of profit has gotten lens because the gross revenues are lees. In
addition, all you know we do Manage facilities for the City, three garages
including hayside. And all of those are suffering the same fate of 96" of.
our a" garages*, and we are trying to maintain gross revenues because as .you
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feeders of our garages. Aside from that, I think you probably know better
about our department than you do most others.
Commissioner Alonso: Let me ask you a question. in certain parts of the
City, you have iota that are almost empty, most of the time. Have you thought
of changing in some way, doing something to improve the situation, perhaps
doing something extra, and I'm thinking of one near to the river, I'm thinking
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facilities, what our board has asked me to do, is to let people in the
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storage, Burger Kings, storage of bustes which have to remain open, then we
would have to secure them, so your suggestion is a good one which we are
hoping to follow up on. Any numbers we get out of those projects are not
reflected in here so, if we better utilize our surface lots, our three hundred
thousand profit hopefully, we would go to four hundred to five hundred and so
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forth, yes. But that's the tactic we've taken with these surface lots because
they are a public resource we just can't just go up to somebody individually
and say, would you like to build a hotel as such. We have to really, send
letters out publicly and then advertise if it's a project we have in our head
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suggestion the other day, and at the vote that the Commission took about the
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legality of going to the revenues that are produced by the parking meters.
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to what extent. Because the assessing of a fee on each parking meter would be
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contingent on that, and the legality of that. So, we have already selected a
bond counsel to assist us in finding the answer to that question, and you will
be voting on that hopefully, Friday. We have already met and discussed all
the ramifications of this, and once we get bond counsel's opinion of that,
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Commissioner Alonso: OK. Great.
Mr. Mulvena: Which by the way, there is another excellent example of sharing
the same attorney.
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Mr. Mulvena: Thank you, Commissioner.
Mr. Odio: I don't know what else.
Commissioner Alonzo; The Low Department, I did. Well, basically, i think
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do it, than I'll be back to hear that presentation, otherwise... No, Thy►
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NOTE FOR THE RECORD: Recognition of Frank Angones�
former member of the Selection Committee. '
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Mayor Suarea: Are we missing your maximum leader of the free world of the
City Clerk's Office? All right. The chair recognizes the presence of former
member of the Selection Committee for a new Miami City Attorney and prominent �—
Miami Attorney Frank Angones. I don't know ghat he is doing here, but ore will
ascertain that at some point. He is the guy responsible for us having Jose
Garcia=Pedroza as a Miami City Attorney, not totally responsible for the —
present City Attorney, but may have had some involvement in that too We've
in `the last few months and certainly in the last few days and weeks
established, Mr. Manager a lot of and clarified a lot of things about the
whole issue of the on going analytical discussion between, certainly the head N
of AFSCME and yourself on the issue of how many employees are under your
direct supervision as opposed to being somehow at, under department heads and
eligible for the union membership. Although those categories are not
necessarily exclusive. So to clarify one more time, I know that Charlie Cox
have been saying, you have a hundred and sixty employees who are under your
direct supervision, and managerial confidential by definition, I guess. And _-
at one point, I think the figure you had given us was 87.
Mr.. Odio: Ninety-seven. But I need to clarify what you mean by direct
supervision. Direct supervision means people -that report... as far as :I'm
ti concerned, directly to me. I mean, by that, and then they in turn supervise
other people. So, directly to me, I only have very few people. So, I guess
it's a question of semantics, direct supervision to me means the Assistant'
City Managers, the Fire Chief, the Police Chief, Finance and Budget `So, }
there are very few of those but... dp
Mayor" Suarez: There are managerial confidential employees in every
department.
Mr. Odio: Yes.
Mayor Suarez: And they are not civil services
Mr. Odin: Correct.
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Mayor Suarez: They are not eligible for membership in the unions.
Mr. Odio: Yea, they are.;
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Mr. Odio: We need, I think the best thing...
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Mayor Suarez: They are not classified.
Mr. Odio: That's true. Can we do...
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Mr,* Odiot t don't know if we can under civil service rules but...
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Ms. Bellamy: The group of managerial confidential employees inciudis:
executives,` unclassified employees and classified employees. Those ,are.
employees who are not covered by the AFSCMS agreement. Now, you have ciai!:
service rules that says specifically within each group who would qualify to be
unclassified and classified employees. It gives you temporary employees, a,
definition of those that says that a department can have a maximum of five .
unclassified employees per department. However...
Mayor Suarez: Now typically...
Ms. Bellamyt The City chartered...
Mayor Suarez: Typically, we would expect those five unclassified to be the
top management. Well, we...
Ms.�Bellamy: Well it says the system...
Mayor Suarezt ... 'what in collective bargaining law and parlance, would be
management versus employees versus labor. Is that the Idea?
Ms. Bellamy:` Right. Except we have a strict... the way it, is applied is that
If they work in a confidential manner to the directors of the depar tmen
But in' additionto the five unclassified 'people per department. and in
accordance with the civil service rules, the City Charter ` tells you '
specifically, what employees or what positions should be unclassified. For
example', it says all of the City Attorneys. It says, all of the Assistants
working for the City Manager in his office. It says for the rank of Major and
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above in the Police' Department, all of those will be unclassified and it says,
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for Battalion Chief and above in the Fire Department, they will be
unclassified. And it says...
Mayor Suarezt Battalion Chief. No we didn't get into that terminol y ogy Ma
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yesterday, where did that term come from?
Me. Bellamy: Well, in the Fire Department, their civil service title, is
called, well it's Battalion Chief, butthey•call each other Chief,o they
have different designations so that they, understand who is in charge of each
area.
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a department where people are classified right up to almost the highest :level. ,
Ms.�Bsllamys Chief Fire Officer.
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City, we've got unclassified employees almost down to the level of,a cluck d
a secretary in some cases, who are unclassified because... §
Ms, Bellamy: I know, the Manager is very concerned about that, and' that �►as
one the issues.
mayor Suarez: Well, we certainly agree on the concern, howl are ire #RU
solve it? Whv are we soina to take some of these osooie who arwmanaaeria
a� 16li yt Valli t thin vu are talking about two different isbuee� Vhefl
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Mayor Suaroet flight. I think we've got to do something in the Irire
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going right up to the level of what is clearly management. But, that'ei arse
department, and it's not going to solve the main problem that we're dealing
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Mayor Suarez: And I know Commissioner •Alonso is as interested if not more
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directly to the City Manager and not to the department heads. who -are
managerial confidential, who are not eligible for membership in the unions
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Ms. Bellamy: OK. The issue of whether they are eligible to be in the union
or not has to do with... each one of those classifications have been either
bargained out, they sit down, they negotiate with the union, labor relations
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sit down, they receive copies of all of the audits and they look at each
title. It's either that they have been negotiated out by classifications, or
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under the bargaining unit. So it is not a matter of us, this was negotiated
out.
Mayor Suarez: If perk rules, and if we are bound by a perk rules that maybe
` takes it out of our discretion, but as to those that are by negotiation,:and -I
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in the future. Let's go back to those that would otherwise be .eligible .to
membership of the union as you negotiate your next contract and say, I want
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j confidential, I don't want these people to be unclassified, they should be
classified and fight that battle. We also have a problem by the way, because
have temporaries. And the number of temporaries has been argued as being
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have the answer to that.
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Me. Bellamy: That we will have a cap of one hundred and fifty.
` Mr. Odiot One hundred and fifty and we have not exceeded that cap.
Ms. Bellamyt We don't have a hundred and fifty.
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Mayor Suarez: If I were you, either one of you, I would not put my hand over
a fire there is a hundred and fifty temporary employees that Would
otherwise...
Mr. Odlo: How many we have Rene? - you guys keep the register,
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finding out.
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Mr. Odio: How many we have Rene? on the record.
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Mr. Larrien: In terms of temporaries...
Mayor Suarez: Mr. Manager, for lay people like the members of thisiL
Commission] and certainly for this member of the Commission, a part timer and
a temporary sound to me like the same thing.
Ms. Bellamy: No, they are not.
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Mayor $uarers All right, they are not the same thing because you have
designed and devised them or called them something different, but they are not
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Mr. Larrien: In terms of the temporaries, we have at the present time, about
thirty. Full temporaries that is a forty hour, something like that.
Mayor Suarez: Full time, temporary, part timer. Not full timer, etc.,
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Mayor Suarez: All right. Charlie, what is your latest estimate? You had
given me eight hundred.
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Mr. Charlie Cox: (OFF MIKE) What, as far as temperance papers, part timers,
everything else, it's in the salary book, February 20th, over eight hundred in
Parks -alone. Then we have casual workers
Ms. Bellamy: Let me say this, when we're talking about casual workers, and
events workers, ticket takers..._
Mayor Suarez: Don't everybody get all upset. It's either one figure or
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Mayor Suarez: I mean, it isn't like anybody here is arguing an opinion or
philosophy or anything, it's a count. So at some point Mr. Manager, between
today and tomorrow when the issue may come up during the budget hearings, let
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Mayor Suarez: OK. Fair exclusion. Let's leave out one shot... event people.
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deal.
Mayor Suarez: OK. Let's make a separate category for those because thole
clearly are not even part timers.
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Th'At's why n6wt ae pick up in the payrolls all of the people We use at all
times, even if it's for four hours in one concert.
Mayor 5uares.s That's fine, and may not have been a good idea to lump the all
together, but we're going to exclude those for purposes of this count ao'that
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Mr. Odio: In fact, there is some...
Mayor Suarez: We would probably like to know how many of those people there
are, if they are always the same people.
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Mayor Suarez: Are eligible for doing events?
Mr. Odios ... that come in and work the parking lots and the Orange Bowl and
they get paid on a separate payroll for that, so you pick them up twice.
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we're all talking about different things. We're talking about apples and
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right, we're going to get that. Charlie thinks that in the general category
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more than a hundred and fifty, If that's the case we would like to knots about
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flow►, back to managerial confidential... Commissioner Alonso.
Commissioner Aloheo: lie are going to get information, hoer many full tip
6"16yeos Ile have who are temporary, that's one information you will (live ttat
hellamy: That is correct.
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and then the event people.
Me Bellamy: Events personnel.
Commissioner Alonso: But we don't hire them, the same people?
Mr. Odio: No, they can be repeaters but they don't necessarily are the same a
people.
Ms. Bellamy: What customarily happens is, we put them on payroll and they may
work for one event, but they may remain on payroll, but they are not actually
aid or even working during a specific time period but we have them
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payroll just so that if we need them for an event, we can call them and they
are already processed through.
Commissioner Alonso: That's the system you use?
Ms. Bellamy: Yes.
Commissioner Alonso: You keep them and then you get in touch with them as the
need come.
Ms. Bellamy: They are in the system, that's correct.
Commissioner Alonso: OK, fine.
Mr. Surana: I think I may clarify. When he is talking about eight hundred
people, he is talking about eight hundred positions, not necessarily those are
filled. For bookkeeping purpose, for accounting purpose, we go out and open
the positions, and the department, they control how many they are going to
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positions for one day. But for my...
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Mr. Cox: (OFF MIKE) That's correct. It's the part time casuals, that's where
I'm having a hard time. I have a payroll, there was a public records
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Mr. Cox: (OFF MIKE) In Parks alone, we have over eight hundred and if -we
picked out some of
Mr. Odio: But that's the reason. That's the reason.
Mr. Cox: (OFF MIKE) Some of them contain they even have
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Mr. Odio: I know.
Mr. Cox: Some of them are still here, some of them are not here.
Mr. Odio: Quite. But let me tell you something, Mr. Mayor.
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here in the past where people were paying, being paid and we had, it was
subject to &•lot of wrong doing and I don't think we should have that.
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sir? OK. Back to managerial confidential, and I'm going to take a couple of �—
examples, Mr. Manager and please, don't anybody assume that the fact I use a
particular name, means anything about that particular person. The only Nay I -
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we just talk categories. I had previously ask you about this one anyhow and I
don't think there is any surprises here. There's someone - although, the name
_ is interesting. There's someone here name, under your direct control listed
in the book that I have, and here name is listed as Sylvia Zamora, not related
to Tony or Nally Zamora who we all know. ;z
Mr. Odio: Sylvia Zamora worked for Industrial Engineering Office, and
unfortunately, she is a very highly capable engineer. She has been laid
off...
Mayor Suarers Can I ask my question?
Mr. Odio: Oh, I'm sorry.
Mayor Suarez: OK. Now, Sylvia Zamora is listed here as making fifty-six
thousand ninety seven dollars and sixty cents. Hopefully, this is either
someone that's been in the City many, many years and as we went through
yesterday, Commissioner Alonso may have seen, or have heard of the testimony,
sometimes, and hopefully in the future, we're not getting into this situation,
somebody has been here just so many years and we have such a high salary range
that they" and up making sixty thousand dollars a year with a basic college
degree and expertise that I think does not entitle them to make sixty thousand
dollars a year, when we need the money for employees to do the regular field
work. But anyhow, in this particular case, it could be that or some one with
a high degree of technical expertise that we happen to need, and it surprises
me to see this person listed here because I've never met this person.`
Mr..Odio: Me, neither.
Mayor Suarez: You haven't met her either?
Mr. Odio: No.
Mayor Suarez: Now, she was hired to work under you.
Mr. Odio: She doesn't work under me. Now, sea, that's the problem of
semantics here. She has never reported to me, she has never work for me.
Mayor Suarez: Who does she report to? and what was... you were going to,tell
me about her qualification, she was an engineer?
Mr. Odio: I believe she is an industry engineer.
E;. Mayor Suarez: She has an industrial engineer degree?
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Mayor Suarez: I'm getting a lot of shaking of heads back there.
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let's.., an economist to me is someone who is a recognized economist, ;tnd
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you a job an a clerk in a Bank.
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other people may not have=heard this. She is not going to be in the payroll
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Mr, Odio: That is correct?
Mayor Suarez: She is not in our budget. There is not $56,000 allocated for
either Sylvia Zamora or her replacement.
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analyst. She came under, I believe C.E.T.A. program, then she .becomes
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permanent under City program in 1979. Then...
Mayor Suarez: OK. The C.E.T.A. program was designed to give employment to
people who were otherwise employed.
Mr.-Surana: Right.
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she get to make fifty-six thousand dollars?
Mr. Suranat OK. The reason all of these people making that kind of: money in
raid -eighties, most of the employees, they received about 10 to 12 percent cost
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Mayor Suarez: OK. Then that brings me to my next point, Commissioner
Alonso, yesterday we went pretty gar in the inquiry of how someono-goes from
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are psychologist and who were people who bec;une expert* in 8 P p p personnel work
ended up making sixty thousand dollars. And we have discussed, for my taato`
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entry, level for a graduate with a college degree right now, unless it's in a
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getting paid more than thirty. If they are accountants, and if they are_
getting ready to get their CPA's, they might. If they are lawyers or if they
are doctors, they would, and by the way, in the case of lawyers and CPA's if
they don't ultimately pass that professional exam or engineers, they will then
be back out on the street. So those people ended up somehow working their way
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up to sixty thousand a year, over time. A lot of times with you know, many
years of service, in this case, not so many years of service because you said
mid -seventies, so a most, fifteen years. And you know, we would want people
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the bosses daughter, or son or whatever and end up owning the company, you're.
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Mayor Suarez: You've explained all that to me, and you said one of the
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different task...
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Mr. Odio: Now, I don't know Ms. Zamora, so I'm not saying that...
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to check out the situation with an employee who is presently making fifty
thousand dollars, who is an analyst, I think computer analyst roughly, and who
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constraints to forty-six thousand. So he is going to take a four thousand pay_
cut. I don't know if he is being bumped, I don't know if... just the position
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they have protection under the civil service system, whereas unclassified...
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all tight, Charlie? that happens to some of your employees sometimteal
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privately, I don't think we need to go publicly, he seems to be otherwise
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being reduced four thousand dollars for what ever reason. Now, how come that
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the Commissioner has been asking about and I've been hammering on. Why do we
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Mayor Suarez: ... managerial, confidential, executive, assistant director,
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restraints? I don't see a single one Mr. Manager. If you have any person at
that level...
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Mr. Odio: Wait. I can name names, sir that - of people that were in a high
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have? Individuals have been told, listen, you're doing a good job, we like
you, we'll like to keep all of you...
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Ms. Bellamy: No, because...
Mr. Odio: Let me answer that.
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Mayor Suarez: More or less what the rest of the Commissioners told our own
staffs was going to happen, either collectively you're going to be reduced
five percent or individually you're going to be reduced five percent but'
have to reduce our budget five percent.
Mr. Odio: Well, let me tell you what happened to them. They got laid off.
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Mayor Suarest So you have chosen in every case to lay off people but never
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as -they've been making this year, text year if we have budget constraints and s
we have to reduce the overall...
Mr. Odio: And they are not, we...
Mayor Suarez: ... bud,gtht of departments by five percent, we should also apply
that to Certain employees that are really probably paid more than we really
cane afford to pay them. They are nice people, working hard probably, but we ?`,y
can't afford to pay them what we're paying there.
Mr. Odio: The unclassified ranks are... all of the budget in unclassified was
cut over five percent. All of the budget.
Mayor Suarez: Could you give me a single instance of someone who is going to
be with us next year, who is unclassified, who is going to be paid less next
year than he was this year.
Ms. Bellamy: No. Because we have...
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Mr. Odio: No, I cannot. Because what we did is we laid people off.
Mayor Suarez: All right. Remember the memo I passed out.
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Mayor Suarez: Based on Commissioner Alonso's suggestion of doing an
individual, across the board five percent reduction for people over sixty
thousand, I think. The memo said, why don't we try the collective approach,
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making over sixty thousand, or individually, some f ive percent reduction,
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salary cuts and... what I did is, as we went through the budget, I askedevery
unclassified budget to be cut five percent, and they were. And not only that,
then on top of that, we laid off a number of unclassified people, that if you
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for. That's what I'm saying, I did as...
Mayor Suarez: Are you saying, you did that without reducing a single person
salary?
Mr. Odio: That's correct.
Mayor Suarez: So your approach is always to freeze salaries.
Mr. Odio: We are frozen, we are.
Mayor Suarez: And of course, we know what the way around that in. Change of
classification.
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promotion.
Me. Bellamy: No. We haven't changed the... that's not correct.
Mr. Odio: No. Lot me tell you. I even did more than that Mr. Mayor, and
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Mayor Suarezt I'm not saying it was subterfuge.
Mr:�Odiot Oil► Well, it sounds like..,
Mayor Suarezt I'm just saying it's another way that you can give them the
lams thing that we thought we were going to give them. I mean, the rest of us
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Mayor Suarez: ... frozen salaries of unclassified personnel, top management
personnel...
Mr. Odio: But if a person...
Mayor Suarezz ... we understood that meant, nobody was going to get a salary
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once in a while you would come by and you would say, you know I have an
Assistant City Manager's spot open, I have to fill it with somebody...
Mr. Odiot That's right.
Mayor Suarez:. ... I'm going to take someone from in-house,; we prefer people
from in-house, we strongly prefer people from in house.
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Mr. Odio:; So when you do that and a person before...
Mayor Suarez: But that was like two or three times for an Assistant. City
Manager, a ;position- that we understood existed. There have been many
promotions, and I'm going to, personally I'm going to hold you to hold the
line on creations of more classifications...
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Mayor, Suarez: ... and promotions of people who... and I'm still concerned
about the fact that no one has ever had their salary reduced.
Mr. Odioz But we have, I'll tell you in private who...
Mayor Suarez: How can we say that no one... you've never faced a situation
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your particular supervision, unclassified and you think that person is,getting
more than the City can afford, but from this year to next year, it's,not'a
single one.
Ma, Bellamy: We have, Mayor. We have at least...
Mr.,.Odio: Well, we have. But we have. From this year to next thers..are
many - we took a different approach. Because we are right down to the bone on.
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in fact have a five percent decrease in their budgets, we know that. We kaoar
firs didn't, we know police didn't...
Mr. Odio: But the unclassified did. See, I don't think he is listening to
what I'm trying to say. The unclassified budget within the budget was out,
and that's what I'm trying to say.
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Mr. Odio: No, the reduction...
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Mayor Suarez: That's important because the reigning argument in the City is,
are you laying off people in the lower echelons ...
Mr. Odio: No, we're not.
Mayor Suarez: ... or are you laying off people at the high salaries?
Mr. Odio: There hasn't, let me repeat this.
_. Mayor Suarers And that would prove it. But I don't...
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lay off any one, they were not from any of the lower echelons of the City of
Miami, they were not mechanics, they were not painters, they were not
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cases, they were not a high rank because some people were making thirty-eight
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people or classified civil service people within his ranks and we're not going
to, we are not proposing that we do that.
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and I find that disturbing. With my own staff, when we had the five percent_
cuts, I gathered them together and I said, we're going to have to take'a fivetNe
percent cut around, across the board here, either we're going to have
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percent or something...
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hired them all, in fact some of them recently, I have a pretty good idea that
they're people that I need for the position, but in the case of what you
faced, you've told me over the years, and I'm sure it's a truism, some of them
are people that you found when you got here that you don't think necessarily
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you would pay them.
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Mayor Suarez: And l understand that there is some concern for people's
careers. But there is more concern for the people that are laid of thaw to
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Mr, Odioc But, Mr. Mayor...
Mayor Suarez: The Mayor of Now York one time got all hie top st&ff topt,her
and he said this is not working out. I've got you guys In the wro
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don't went it, you can leave or you can stay. Most of theta stayed, but a few
of them were demoted. here in the City, for unclassified positions, it west*
like we never demote them, we never reduce their salaries, whereas for
classifieds, because of the bumping system, we do reduce them, And that to fat
its an inconsistency and creates a lot of unfairness because the guy who is
being reduced four thousand dollars that I referred to before, he is going
_ from fifty to forty-six, can afford it less than the guy who is going from
ninety to eighty-eight or eight -seven or eighty-six or eighty-five. That's my
view of the world. Let me ask about specific cases if I may here. There is
an ongoing dispute as to how much unclassified employees have gotten in raises
over the years. Charlie has done an analysis from 1987 and I just want to
give you the figures that I see, some of them of course cannot be compared to
1987 because they weren't with us, or they weren't identified in 1987, but we
have directly under the Manager, 19.448 percent increase, I'm not giving
names, but I'm reading from a page that can be identified, if need be, it's
page six of a report which has a number of 180-300. The next one, thirty-
three, I'm sorry, the first one, 19 percent increase during that time, the
next one, 20 percent increase during that time, the next one after that 25
percent increase, the next one after that, 8 percent increase, the next one
after that 25 percent increase, the next one after that, 31, 34, 19, 31, 250
- 4, 38, 19 and so on. I understand from Charlie's numbers that the average is
what, Charlie? - for unclassified. OK. Do you remember what it is off the
top of your head?
Mr. Cox: (INAUDIBLE COMMENTS MADE OFF MIKE).
Mayor Suarez: Within the class, fourteen point some percent. And outside the
class, changing classifications?
Mr. Cox: Twenty-nine.
Mayor Suarez: So, a lot of them have benefited from promotions to a different
classification. In a case of Ms. Zamora, we understand she is not going to be
on the payroll on October 1. Are there any other cases you can give me at
this point on people in the sixty thousand dollar range who will not be with
us as of October 1, because you've had to eliminate them pursuant to the
discussion we just had?
Mr. Odio: Let me have the list but from memory, yes, I know a few. Aleano is
one, I don't remember the names. Let me have them, will you? But I would
like to put on the record is that we didn't go out hunting for sixty thousand
dollar people. We went out and tried to eliminate functions that we felt that
the City could do without since we have a budgetary constraint that we were
better off then eliminating functions, and whoever might fall within those
functions, would not be retained. That's the approach that we took on
functions and not salaries. And we have one, two, three people over sixty
thousand that are going. And then we have others that are...
Mayor Suarez: Anyone over seventy thousand?
Mr. Odio: No.
Mayor Suarez: Anyone over eighty thousand that will no longer be with us
on...
Mr. Odio: No.
Mayor Suarez: Anyone over ninety thousand that will no longer be with us.
They'll probably will be with us for the rest of our lives, I guess, if
they're making over ninety thousand.
Mr. Odio: I don't know how many we have there. I have had a policy in-
house... can I give you a little bit of history? Some time back and I was not
here in the City, the City Commission in its wisdom, brought in a consultant
that did an analysis of salaries in the City of Miami, and they approved a
salary pay scale, and that's where history comes from. What's the name of
that consultant?
Mayor Suarez: But we know that, we know the history...
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Mayor Suarez: And you have Chosen not to do it in a single case.
Mr. Odio: No.
Mayor Suarez: You have apparently eased a few people out...
Mr. Odio: What I have done in...
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mentioned that before.
Mr. Odios Well, there are others that have left that are not in this list
because this is the recent lay off. I want to remind you that when you and I
arrived here .at those positions, that there were thirty-two directors and to
my knowledge, the latest count that I have is nine. Right? - directors, so,:
we have eliminated.
Mayor Suarez: And I remember the conversations with them, I remember they
mould come back. I remember one saying to me that she was the smartest person
or the second smartest person I guess, in Dade County and she didn't deserve
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Mayor Suarez: My question was factual.
Mr. Odio: OK.
Mayor Suarez: If I thought that you should be doing it more, I would tell you
that. I just want to -know have you in fact been able to either reduce or sass
out people in the sixty, seventy, eighty, ninety thousand category, who are
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Mr. Odio: Oh no. To next year's budget, we have not but...
Mayor Suarex: All right, that answers my question. Lot me ask a specific
question then,
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Mr. Odio: "fen. That is exactly what we've done.
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names,.. there are two that have been promoted into those positions, but the
ones that were here already had high salaries back in 1985 when I became City`
Manager. What we did is, we froze their salary for two years and then in one
year, I said in lieu of salary, I will give you a bonus and their...
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so on that they would get a five percent increase if they could reduce the
budgets of their departments f ive percent and it really pitted them against
their own employees. It wasn't such a good idea.
.Mr. Odio: But that's my point. My point is that some people were making in
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percent more, and that's the fourteen percent we were using. In cases of
promotions where people were not Assistant City Manager and got promoted, In
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at least ten percent more the moment they are promoted.
Mayor Suarez: Let me ask a specific question. Someone in Management and
Budget, not to pick on any department, but just a name that comes out because
of the increase in the last three years has been, I think, the most startling
of anybody. This is a person named Annette Lewis, Management and Budget.
Apparently in 1987 appeared as making $15,537.60 and now making 'thirty-two
thousand, eight hundred and sixty-four, the percentage increase is calculated
here to be a hundred and eleven fifty-one percent, one hundred and eleven
point fifty-one percent. The first question is, why would anybody at 'the
salary level of fifteen thousand five hundred and thirty-seven sixty be
managerial, confidential, if indeed she was managerial, confidential in 19877
Can anybody answer that?
Ms. Bellamy: It depends on who the person was reporting to and the type of
work the person was doing."
Mayor Suarez: Because of the confidential nature of the person she May have
been working for, she conceivably was managerial, confidential even though her
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we hired her as a temporary intern and later on, she went to a regular civil
service job. ,And since sloe went to a regular civil service job, all sho,Sot
was the regular increases, nothing else.
tdayor Suaress That person now, does anybody know what her title is? or *ir
duties ar0 at thirty-two dollars? - almost thirty-threo♦
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MAy.or Suarout Does she have an expertise, any technical
degree, or other form of training in that field as an Analyst?
expertise, any
Mr. NUrnngt One nee0hat What has she got?
Mayor Suareas Just to an example. I don't know the person and I don't have
anything against her,
Mr. Depak Parekht She has a Bachelors in accountancy, she has been one of the
major forces in getting the first revenue manual for the City of Miami.
Mayor Suarez: This in a classic person that from what you're describing of,
her duties should not be managerial, confidential. This is a classic: civil
service employee in my estimation) who should be eligible for union membership
and .the union should be eligible for bringing her into the union or have that
option if she wants to or not. I guess, we do have a free shop herel right?
We don't have a... yes, we are in a right to work state, don't want to imply
that everybody has to be members of the union, right or anything like that.
But they...
Ms. Bellamy: A declaration of PERC (Public Employees Relations Committee) all
of the employees within the department of Management and Budget are
managerial, confidential.
Mayor Suarez: I would personally back any efforts that you make legally and
judicially to overturn that decision of PERC if you want to go after them and
I would hope that the Commission would follow suit.
Mr. Cox: (INAUDIBLE COMMENT).
Mayor Suarez: Well, I'm not sure that we are the ones that should initiate
that. Maybe it should be the unions, Charlie.
Mr. Cox: No. I understand.
Mayor Suarez: Come up to the Mike because this is an important point. if we
have many many people in this category who are not subject to civil service
rules, who are not classified, who cannot be members of the unions and you
feel that that is unfair under their collective bargaining rules of the State
of Florida and under our political philosophy, maybe we should be battling
that, if PERC is trying to tell us that.
Mr. Cox: Mayor, my point was that yes, whatever the union has done before,
they bargained in good faith, the City bargained in good faith, those
positions were given up for something, for nothing, whatever, I understand
that. My point is that they are saying, everyone of these positions weredone
by PERC, they are not. Some of them were, some of them were given away, some
of them weren't. My point was that these people were not under the union's
control...
Mayor Suarez: And even if they were mandated by PERC, maybe it's time to go
back in and argue that they were being hampered in our management,
Mr. Cox: nor... correct. Nor are the unclassified under the union's
control and it's made to sound that the unions are breaking the City when in
fact it's not. I mean, we've given, we given back, we came with a twenty-five
percent reduction, I mean all of those were because the unions are starting to
realize, they employees are starting to realize there in a serious problem in
the City. But we have not received thirty-one percent pay increase over the
last three years...
Mr. Odio: No, no.
Mr. Cox: and we did not, we did not.
Mr. Odio: Lot me says Charlie, lot me say. OK. We're going back to... what
we did to Just take the contracts and by the way, I need to Clarify this, I
don't think anybody has said that the unions are breaking the City, =4 it
hasn't come from me or anybody else. I feel that on the contrary, that
because of the ASYCME
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percent. On 10-1-86, you received a three, on 10-148, you received a four,
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promotions or whatever, the actual on an aggregate of individual increase from
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Mayor Suarez: Somewhere between fourteen and fifteen percent?
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with adding machines, so we may have a mistake here or there but I don't
believe so.
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September of 1987 because we were talking of the last three years...
Mayor Suarez: Right.{_
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everyone that we could find in 187. There are some missing that we know that
were in a different department and it wasn't done on purpose. I'm not afraid
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Mayor Suarez: And that includes that fourteen point whatever percent...
Mr. Cox: We received in the last three years.
Mayor Suarez: ... that includes step increases, cost of living, that's
mathematical, that's how much they made in 187 compared to what they make now?
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smaller, is a lot lees actual money in their pockets than the equivalent
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the City along to be wherry we are with a balance budget today- If they had
flat gone along with what they did its the past # we would be in worse shape than
we stay
Mayor Suareaa t But ASI'CMs anticipated... when was that concession made?- vial
that two years ago?- the twenty-five percent or...
Mr. Cox: It will be three years the and of this month.
Mr. Odio: Three years.
Mayor Suarez: OK. Almost three years ago, ASFCMB anticipated when they made
that because I remembered discussing it with them, we all participated in
executive sessions, we all met with them, we all helped to fashion that policy
which we all thought was a fair policy because we thought the entry level pay
_ was high for those employees. We assumed that the same kind of managerial ;
_ philosophy would work at all levels and at the time, other than this five
percent bonus that you devised and put into effect, basically, we were told
unclassified employees salaries, high level management salaries, were frozen
- and would be frozen from year to year. And you know, the thrust would be to
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1 and 186, that would continue, there would be eliminations, there will be
consolidation of department, there would also be freezing of their salaries.
And then what happened is that because of promotions, new classifications,
etc., the fact of the matter is, that those unclassified employees during that
period of time have received a collective increase of how much, Charlie, just
to get into the record?
Mr. Cox: Almost fifteen percent, I believe.
Mayor Suarez: Almost fifteen percent. So, roughly the same as the unions
even though those figures are net higher figures in terms of the actual amount
of money that they were increased. Now, you know, you could say that these
are survivors of a lot of eliminations and dismissals and consolidations,
these are people who have worked awfully hard, true.
Mr. Odio: And double duty.
Mayor Suarez: But we all know others who are still there, who are still
making high salaries and if it were not for the fact that they've been around
here for a long time and that we're afraid that if we dropped them, they will
be bumping off other people in civil service, that we think that really are
paid more than what the City can afford to pay right now. We all know those
people. And it is my hope that you will continue to be and that applies to
the classified too, there are a lot of people in various departments of the
two principle uniform departments in the City, Police and Fire, that are
classified that as soon as they have full divested retirement, I hope that,
we're trying to suggest to them that it might be better for them to go out
into the private sector, go out and take their pensions, start drawing from
that other source, not to use the word I had in mind, which is pension fund
and maybe have a side job or something and make that money available so that
we could continue taking the lower level employees and giving them the kinds
of promotions they deserve and simply having an overall le:.s payroll in the
City.
Mr. Odio: And you remember, we were told to look at an incentives to retire
program. We have finished that and my problem with it is, as anything, that I
looked at a list of 357 people, I believe, I'm going by memory which I like to
do, and of the 357, we could afford to lose about 27, if I'm right. And on
top of that, if we offered an incentive, we cannot be selective. In other
words, I cannot offer it to you and not to you and that's what I've been told,
so we are trying to...
Mayor Suarez: Well, but you've been creative about that. You have known how
to approach certain individuals and say, you know, your position looks like
it's going to be pretty soon eliminated and it might make sense for you to
consider...
Mr. Odios Yes, on the unclassified I can do that but we're talking Aabout
Citywide classified also and unfortunately, it also cost money and that's the
other part. Say we wanted to give the program out, full imcontive pr-9gram
out, it cost a lot of money that we don't have.
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Mr. Cox: No, Cesar.
Mayor Suavest No, no. It should not, it should not.
Mr. bdios 'Yes.
Mayor Suarez: Let Me contradict you on that. If y q you have a, let's take it on
the individual level and then I know you will try to take it to the aggregate
level because you're going to says you have to offer it to everybody. But
let's look at the individual. If you tell the individual, you want certain
benefits to stay with you, typically insurance is the problem, right?
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cost us money. That means, it's not... that it's a net revenue loss.
Ms. Bellamy: It's true.
Mayor Suarez: I'm saying, it should be a net revenue gain. On an individual
level, it has been over the years, you have gone to the individual and said
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and some cases, we drafted a whole contract for them, we know some of those
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contracts were probably a net loss...
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ten million dollars a year, The problem is that you look at those positicna,
they hgvo to be filled and then you are laying out to many dollars ,and.yOu' A
s not.going to get those savings. I have to show that, you have to look at the
total* by the way, it's now in the hands of who, the actuary..
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Me, Bellamy: Yes, we are waiting to get... 'a
Mayor Suarems What is in the hands of the actuary?„
a Mr. Odios Their pension cost involve, here.
Me. Bellamy: The projection on the cost of the entire plan. We have two
portions of that. That would be early incentive, which would be, that's just
an incentive for people you are already ready, who are eligible to leave right
now and then there is the other side where you make give people who would be
able within a certain period of time to leave, additional time, credit so that
I they could leave early. What the Manager is talking about...
Mr. Odio: Please, let me explain that... say, you have one year to go or two
years to go to retirement, we would give him early retirement.
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Mayor Suarez: M q y preference is not to get into that, it's complicated enough
for those who have fully vested retirement benefits without having to give
anybody artificial credit.
Me. Bellamys What the Manager is talking about is, the cost of paying. We
would have to pay a substantial amount of cash outlay because of time, the
pools that people have. Vacation, depending on how many years of service
i' they've been sick leave and so forth.
Mayor Suarez: By the way, the entire industry...
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Mayor Suarez: Right. The private sector Le moving away from all of that.
You know, you don't use up your vacation, you lose it and how are we doing
that? Are we implementing those rules now for new employees? t
Mr. Odios People have to, no, no. Everyone in the City now, especially the
ones that were from... they cannot accumulate vacation hours as they have
before.
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Mayor Suarez: Beyond what? Now you said cap and he is saying none, which is
it?
i Mr. Odio: Cap and a hundred and twenty hours.
Me..Bellamy: No. He is... it's cap. It's the cap, we've reduced the cap.
People used to be able to carry over vacation hours and what the tanager
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Mayor Su+arers A hundred and twenty hours cap? OK, that's...
'1 Mr. Odios Maximum. They can only keep in them forever. I mean, we to
people that have...
Mayor Suaroxi What's that, fifteen days, is that what ycau're saying, a ftooln
dray equivalent?
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Mayor Suarez: Which will never be a substantial amount of money. Ve did have
ti problem with people having to get paid eight, ninety and a hundred thousand N
dollars over accrued vacation ties.
�. Mr. Odio: We hart if you remembered Mr. Mayor, we had nine million dollars of k
wacation accumulated there just on the...
Mayor Suarez: I'm going to and my inquiry Commissioner Alonso, I'm going to
have to go upstairs for an appointment. I don't mean any disrespect to
whatever you want to pursue on this enquiry, I know that it's very similar to
some of the concerns you've had and we have a fen questions that we would lute
answered, if not by tomorrow, certainly by the second budget hearing.
_{ Mr. Odiot Alberto, how many part timers you have? Just out of curiosity, I'm
now curious.
Mr. Alberto Ruder: Year 'round, about one hundred and seventy-seven.
Mr. Odio: Part timers.
Mr. Ruder: Year 'round. }
Mr. Odio: Year 'round, OK. You have it there.
Mayor Suarez: The old year 'round part timers. The old temporary thirty-nine
hour, year-round, half the year, most of the time part timers, whatever that
means.
Mr. Odio: No, no. They... no, some of them... how many?
Mr. Ruder: This year, a hundred and seventy-seven.
Mayor Suarez: OK. A hundred and seventy-seven what? Why don't you come up
to the mike real quick to just explain that.
Mr. Odioa Put it on the record because we were talking about that yesterday.
Mayor Suarez: Which of those, these thirty-nine hour a week, thirty-five
hours a week, what are they?
Mr. Ruder: Yea, they could be twenty hours, twenty-five, thirty, thirty-five,
I don't have a breakdown. '
Mayor Suarez: But ewer forty?
Mr. Ruder: No, never forty.
Ms. Bellamy: Maximum thirty-five.
Mayor Suarez: Maximum thirty-five.
week guys?
Don't we have some thirty-nine hour a
Ms. Bellamy: No. I've instructed the departments to...
Ms. Ruder: Yes, she just recently instructed us to...
Mayor Suarez: Do we still, have any thirty-nine hours?
Charlie.
Mr. Ruder: Yes, we do. At this time, we do but we're taking action,
Mayor Suaretss Are those included in your hundred and seventy -something
calculation?
Mr. Ruder: Yes, they are. And I'm talking about the Goaoral quad here.
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Mr, Audert in my particular department, amcae of these part timers worked at
spbcial events, we don't have like an extra crew that just do special events, .'
1 think the stadiums do.
Mr. Odios 'dell, let'e say if you have a concert, you need eighty people to
work there, you hire them for that one night.
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„ the lack of a better word, we know not to call theca temporaries anymoea,
because that apparently means something to the Manager and something different
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Mr. Odios Temporaries are full time people without benefits.
Mayor Suarez: All right, part timers. If that's the Case are most of the
special events are part timers? Then, there is no way that we can ever reach
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eight hundred unless you counted them twice somehow, because they also were
employees in special events. So, you maybe ought to get with Charlie and
—. somebody ought to...
�- Mr. Ruders Well, in the summer, you know, we added an additional number of
— part timers just for the summer.
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Mayor Suarez: Ah, so we have seasonal part timers?
? Mr. Ruder: Well, there are about one hundred and forty-five...
Mayor Suarers fart time, part timers.
Mr. Ruder: Right. In the summer, there is a hundred and forty-five
additional in the summer for example.
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Mayor Suarers So you know, if you start adding them up Mr. Manager, you could
! get awfully close to eight hundred. So, you may not have any basic factual
discrepancy with Charlie, it's just a matter of classifying and distinguishing
and I have been educated on one point, I mean, the general thought that
anybody . y y who is a part timer or temporary, should ultimately become full time,
1 is probably wrong because some of these people are, half semi -retired people
than two or three hours of work, cleaning a park, they are probably the ideal
people to do that, they don't cost us a lot, they understand that they are
never going to get benefits and they are either beyond the most productive
part oftheircareers or they're just simply, housewives or house husbands or
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Mr. Odio: Take the lifeguards at Virginia Beach, I was looking at that
yesterday, they are fire fighters from Coral Gables.
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Mayor Suarez: That's an example. They do a very good job, by the way. Mr.
i Manager, we're getting a lot of correspondence from Virginia beach, I hope
that it is not the City's intention...
Mr. Odio: You wouldn't... no, we're not. We explained to the Commissioner
yesterday that the intention is to keep it open but not manned with
lifeguards.
Mr. Ruder: Like I mentioned...
Commissioner Alonso: Just one quick question. When you may the seasonal part
time, how do we hire them? From the same group of people that we have working
for us in other events or... how do we hire them?
Mr. Ruders Oh, for the summer program, we just you know, through, we
interview them through referrals, you know community groups. We put ads, the
lifoguardo, you know, we put ads because that's the school for our pools -which
in, they are all open in the summer but we try to keep like a pool of asm4a.,
and that's how we try to hire them. You know, and they go through personnel';"
they f it out the application, you know, they do everything, y9u #ceQw, tiny"
take physical* so it's just, you know through referrals, through..
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x hundred that was mentioned and it sounds like an unreal number. It could be -
that when we add all of these names, can we come up with eight hundreds k;=
Mr. Odio: We do not have eight hundred people working part... You see, if you
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that's four hundred people.
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Mr. Odio: If we hired the park attendants for the Orange Bowl game like the VY
Hurricanes. I don't know how many we hired, but that twenty people times sit
games is a hundred and twenty. If you do that, yes. But part timers as we ,
call them is a hundred and seventy-seven approved for the budget for next
year.
Mr. Ruder: For year round and then summer we have...
Mr. Odio: For the year round and we only have seasonal and he has so many
dollars... we don't even look at how many part timers for the summer. He has
so many dollars for the summer program and from that pool, he hires so many
part timers.
Mr. ruder: We go by hours because you could have one part timer that's
working two hours versus another one that works thirty hours, so, the hours...
Mr. Odio: Yes, if you want to have knitting class in one park, you hire one
lady that works an hour a day for a week...
Commissioner Alonso: The part timers that we had before working thirty-nine
hours, did we reduce the hours for them?
Mr. Ruder: We have not done that as... no, we have not done that.
Mr. Odio: We have not.
Commissioner Alonso: We maintain them at thirty-nine as we had them before?
Mr. ruder: So far, we have yes. So far, we have. We have not reduced any at
this time.
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time, temporary and... OK.
Mr. Odio: Temporaries, I know it's only thirty-two. It would have been
unfair, we haven't hired anyone and it would be unfair to hire a temporary and
not a permanent. We will not do that. So even though the union allowed us to
hire a hundred and fifty, the union in a bargaining, good faith contract that*
we have with them, they allowed us to hire a hundred and fifty temporaries.
And we only have thirty and we cannot hire, I don't want to hire temporary, l
don't want to hire anyone.
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Commissioner Alonso: Yes, that makes sense.
Me. Surana: Commissioner, the eight hundred number, that comes from positions
not actually people on the payroll. For the sake of book keeping accounting,
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counts oight hundred, he is counting the position, not the necessarily those
are people, that's the difference. And I need to do that for book keopls
purpose otherwise every time every time we've got to create a lot '09
positions, close and *pan, its a lot of book keeping done,
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